#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-04-27

[00:00:18] <CaptHindsight> whatever happened to panning?
[00:00:35] <Computer_Barf> how does it get in your way?
[00:00:46] <CaptHindsight> it worked well with small displays back in the 80's
[00:02:19] <furrywolf> "the kernel uses debug ("dee-bug") to mean log everything to the console, where systemd uses the debug from the Scandinavian "day-boog" meaning "fail to boot"." I always forget there's a lot of really good senses of humor among the kernel devs...
[00:02:27] <CaptHindsight> email, irc, pdf viewer and a browser all side by side when I'm working
[00:08:29] <furrywolf> at least debian has caved and made sysvinit still an option... maybe I'll keep using it for one more release, as I don't have time now to deal with learning a new distribution.
[00:10:08] <CaptHindsight> 4 years for Jessie
[00:10:44] <CaptHindsight> but i do smell a rat with systemd
[00:11:25] <furrywolf> and I'm not kidding when I said I think systemd is the worst thing ever to happen to linux. possibly even *nix.
[00:11:55] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of when the guberment donated so much to the Linux kernel with SELinux
[00:17:32] <zeeshan> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/touchy.png
[00:17:36] <zeeshan> how do you do this!
[00:17:42] <zeeshan> id like a dark grey background
[00:17:48] <zeeshan> easier on the eyes
[00:18:04] <XXCoder> gtk theme?
[00:18:19] <XXCoder> I use nearly all black gtk theme for my hexchat
[00:18:20] <zeeshan> i think youre right
[00:18:33] <zeeshan> http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/20-beautiful-dark-themes-for-gnome-and-ubuntu
[00:18:36] <zeeshan> so i guess i just apply those?
[00:18:41] <XXCoder> dunno
[00:18:44] <furrywolf> ... you think low contrast is a good thing?
[00:18:52] <XXCoder> furrywolf: you assume much
[00:18:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: maybe not for your eyes.
[00:18:58] <XXCoder> text is while
[00:19:00] <XXCoder> white
[00:19:43] <zeeshan> im liking that first theme
[00:19:44] <zeeshan> a lot.
[00:20:28] <XXCoder> furrywolf: also, I hate low contrast too. also why I hate "white virus" thats going away nowdays
[00:22:33] <furrywolf> I only have one touch screen... and I don't think I'm going to use it for the mill. I hopefully won't need to poke it that often!
[00:22:46] <zeeshan> how buig
[00:22:47] <zeeshan> *big
[00:22:53] <furrywolf> 13.3"
[00:22:58] <furrywolf> it's a laptop
[00:23:09] <furrywolf> or was it 13.1? I don't remember. 13.something.
[00:23:22] <XXCoder> whats .2 between friends
[00:23:30] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:25:04] <furrywolf> I've never liked touchscreens.
[00:25:34] <renesis> when i started reaching out to my non-touch desktop screen i kind noped out of my touch eeepc
[00:26:06] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/hamilton/tool-and-die-tools-with-tool-boxes/1066778459?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:26:11] <zeeshan> Wish this guy posted more info
[00:26:15] <zeeshan> sounds like a good deal for a shit loa dof tools
[00:26:27] <renesis> on my nexus 5 touch works great, love it, on my nexus 7 its just good enough, can be annoying
[00:26:59] <furrywolf> I like trackballs. I wish they still made laptops with them.
[00:27:15] <renesis> i <3 the shit out of my thumb ball
[00:27:26] <furrywolf> yeah, that does seem to be a pretty useless posting.
[00:27:31] <renesis> annoying you have to clean it like a ball mouse, but its so awesome to use
[00:27:58] <renesis> and you dont need more desk space than the trackballs footprint
[00:29:21] <furrywolf> yep
[00:29:27] <furrywolf> and unlike touchpads, they actually work.
[00:30:15] <renesis> ya, 10 years of using them ive only had something fall in front of the optical sensor once and it was like 5 seconds to figure out what was wrong
[00:30:55] <furrywolf> I still have my last laptop with a trackball... it's a p1-133. kinda useless. haven't seen a trackball laptop since.
[00:30:59] <renesis> a heavy lexan touch overlay for regular monitors would be kind of cool for machine stuff
[00:31:21] <renesis> the keyboartd clits are good for laptops
[00:31:35] <furrywolf> I've never liked clitmice.
[00:31:49] <renesis> i like that lenovos had touch and clit, i was seamlessly using both without much thought was pretty cool
[00:32:13] <renesis> it sucked on a toshiba ive used, but thinkpad and dell stuff ive used is good
[00:32:25] <renesis> dont think current dell has clit...
[00:32:39] <renesis> oh, neat ya it does
[00:33:04] <furrywolf> my mill control machine is a toughbook... one of my toughbooks has a touchscreen... I could use it.
[00:33:20] <renesis> they have a tiny touch pad?
[00:33:28] <furrywolf> yes
[00:33:57] <renesis> i would be scared of accidental tap click/doubleckick with touch
[00:34:04] <renesis> besides that seems okay, you can disable
[00:34:34] <renesis> $10 logitech mouse is prob best solution
[00:34:48] <furrywolf> toughbooks are very interesting devices.
[00:35:56] <furrywolf> I washed two of mine with the garden hose. :)
[00:36:16] <renesis> omgstoppit
[00:36:31] <renesis> are they ipc rated for that?
[00:36:36] <furrywolf> yes
[00:36:43] <renesis> haha silly
[00:37:41] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6lpXKwLGkc that's how they test them
[00:39:09] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IIfBjXYbrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-60Y69BL8o that's how you can test them
[00:44:09] <furrywolf> note that they're not waterproof if any plugs are connected... but they're still swarfproof.
[00:45:03] <furrywolf> and spillproof. just don't spray liquid into the open port cover.
[00:47:28] <furrywolf> want one yet? :P
[00:48:23] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[01:22:40] <Computer_Barf> my wife needs a toughbook
[01:23:29] <XXCoder> unobtainabiumbook>
[01:23:32] <XXCoder> *?
[01:23:58] <Computer_Barf> oh god what was that god awful movie
[01:24:08] <XXCoder> core?
[01:24:11] <Computer_Barf> unobainium
[01:24:12] <XXCoder> nott oo sure but yeah
[01:24:13] <Computer_Barf> yeah
[01:25:00] <XXCoder> funny thing if I recall its actual engineering term for material for project that works as long as certain part has unobtainium material
[01:25:13] <XXCoder> like hardness index well past hardest material we know
[01:25:40] <Computer_Barf> its ok as a theoretical term
[01:25:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:26:17] <Computer_Barf> im just not ok with morgan freeman telling me he made some and stuck it onto a ship that is going to pilot into the earths core with lasers.
[01:26:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:26:58] <XXCoder> I really hope we find that material lol
[01:27:03] <XXCoder> its pretty amazing
[01:27:17] <Cromaglious_> man I really need to figure this vocore to get it to be a range extender for wifi
[01:28:09] <Computer_Barf> some smartass should create unobtanium and name it obtainiumed
[01:28:19] <XXCoder> yep lol
[01:28:54] <Computer_Barf> you gotta wonder how you would mill the stuff
[01:29:06] <XXCoder> easy
[01:29:12] <XXCoder> make it real cold, remember?
[01:29:30] <Computer_Barf> lol oh god are we referencing the movies advise now?
[01:29:43] <XXCoder> yep lol
[01:30:09] <Computer_Barf> i suppose if it behaves like steel you could harden it and cut it with itself
[01:30:32] <Computer_Barf> how do we address that with materials that can't be hardened normally?
[01:30:47] <XXCoder> if I recall it hardens with heat, but weakens with coldness
[01:31:12] <XXCoder> so vice would have to be dry ice cooled, and tool would be blown on by torches
[01:31:32] <Cromaglious_> hmmm water is easy to mill when frozen, but easy to injection mold when not
[01:31:33] <XXCoder> heating tool is opposite of what we normally do lol
[01:32:05] <Computer_Barf> how is carbide worked?
[01:32:17] <Computer_Barf> i wonder how endmills are made and such
[01:32:19] <XXCoder> grinder I think
[01:32:28] <Cromaglious_> using green wheel
[01:32:37] <Computer_Barf> how is the rod made?
[01:33:03] <Cromaglious_> centerless ground
[01:33:15] <XXCoder> ceneterless?
[01:33:56] <Cromaglious_> 2 rollers and a grindering wheel for the 3rd roller
[01:34:21] <XXCoder> I notice that when you need uber acuracy grinder is way to go
[01:34:24] <Computer_Barf> ok so they probably buy carbide raw in bulk
[01:34:26] <Cromaglious_> as you get the grinder closer to the two rollers the rod gets rounder
[01:34:31] <Computer_Barf> then grind them
[01:34:43] <Computer_Barf> then probably sputter them with a coating
[01:35:10] <Computer_Barf> sputtering is cool, I saw a guy who built a diy sputtering rig
[01:35:34] <Computer_Barf> it would be cool to build one to sharpen and coat endmills
[01:39:16] <Cromaglious_> well tomorrow I'm working on the reprap 3d printer
[01:39:29] <XXCoder> yay dilios!
[01:39:36] <XXCoder> so whats your plan with it?
[01:39:37] <Computer_Barf> cool, I built a mendelmax
[01:39:46] <Cromaglious_> z steppers are wired in series
[01:40:14] <Cromaglious_> my plan is to get it working
[01:40:46] <Cromaglious_> the next project is to get the reprap board into one of the 40w lasers
[01:40:50] <Computer_Barf> what printer specifically
[01:41:10] <Cromaglious_> A frame one with all thread
[01:41:31] <Computer_Barf> got any pictures?
[01:44:31] <Cromaglious_> http://itslinux.org/cnc/RepRap/
[01:44:40] <Cromaglious_> the Whole Machine Assembly.pdf
[01:46:17] <Computer_Barf> isn't that a mendel?
[01:46:50] <XXCoder> gonna love spaces in url
[01:46:56] <XXCoder> and apparently /n too
[01:47:56] <Cromaglious_> Looks like a Mendel
[01:49:26] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_: did you print parts using someone elses machine?
[01:49:42] <Cromaglious_> ebay purchase
[01:52:32] <XXCoder> cool
[01:52:52] <t12> practicalmachinist manufacturing america/europe forum is a pretty interesting read
[01:56:38] <Cromaglious_> ahhh, instructions say to connect red and blue, then green an black. Hmm.. one motor is turning backwards... so I just have to switch the black on the splice and the green going to the board
[01:58:19] <Computer_Barf> I just copied an image of the parallel wiring on the steppers
[01:59:27] <Cromaglious_> the new board is parallel, this is the old board
[02:00:17] <Cromaglious_> gn8 kidlette is home finally
[02:11:42] <Deejay> moin
[06:25:22] <jthornton> looks like the XP is being backed up :)
[06:34:52] <_methods> sweet
[06:35:09] <_methods> it's not the easiest thing to set up
[06:35:17] <_methods> but once you get it all running it works great
[06:43:09] <jthornton> once you get one going the rest are a lot easier to sort out
[06:43:58] <jthornton> well I spoke too soon the xp backup failed
[06:58:14] <_methods> damn
[07:08:50] <Tom_itx> jthornton, did you get the static ip working?
[07:08:59] <jthornton> not yet
[08:28:21] <zeeshan> jthornton: your glade guide helped
[08:28:23] <zeeshan> on your website :)
[08:29:47] <zeeshan> maybe you know how to fix this better:
[08:29:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/TzIeos3.png
[08:29:57] <zeeshan> im trying to get the leds to use very little space
[08:30:07] <zeeshan> how to do it? :)
[08:30:36] <zeeshan> (horizontal space)
[08:32:09] <JT-Shop> add another empty column as they fill the available space
[08:34:08] <JT-Shop> like this? http://ibin.co/1zmDxYgTzQkl
[08:34:15] <zeeshan> yes
[08:34:17] <zeeshan> like that!
[08:34:37] <zeeshan> ahha
[08:34:41] <zeeshan> i like that button for work light
[08:34:42] <zeeshan> :)
[08:34:42] <JT-Shop> I'm pretty sure there are 3 columns and the right one is empty
[08:35:03] <JT-Shop> to be sure just look at my xml file
[08:35:13] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[08:35:23] <zeeshan> this is for the bp series 1?
[08:35:34] <JT-Shop> Hardinge CHNC
[08:35:54] <JT-Shop> BP uses Touchy
[08:36:12] <JT-Shop> until I get a round tuit and write my own touch interface
[08:36:17] <zeeshan> looks like you were using pvycp
[08:36:20] <zeeshan> for chnc
[08:36:33] <JT-Shop> aye
[08:37:52] * zeeshan wants your tabs!
[08:38:34] <JT-Shop> that's just ngcgui and simple to add
[08:38:56] <zeeshan> yea im looking at your ini
[08:39:01] <zeeshan> looks like a couple lines added under display
[08:39:09] <zeeshan> are those andy's macros?|
[08:39:15] <JT-Shop> no
[08:39:40] <zeeshan> do you have those files online
[08:40:14] <JT-Shop> aye in the hardinge page
[08:42:28] * zeeshan needs to read
[08:45:13] <zeeshan> youve done a lot of work.
[08:45:39] <zeeshan> looks great man
[08:49:31] <JT-Shop> thanks
[09:26:48] <ssi> hi
[09:46:44] * JT-Shop notes having almost found the desktop it's time to take the garbage out
[10:45:50] <R2E4> anyone around that knows hardware for mesa?
[10:46:55] <cpresser> R2E4: ask a real question. like '
[10:47:01] <cpresser> how do i do xyz?='
[10:48:27] <R2E4> How do I make and led work inline on a 7i77 mesa card input on my VMC?
[10:48:55] <R2E4> I want to use probe input into 7i77 but would like an led.
[10:49:03] <cpresser> do you have a spare output?
[10:49:16] <R2E4> yeah, have plenty spares
[10:49:28] <R2E4> I thought of that but, was worriede not fast enough
[10:49:38] <cpresser> then just hook that input-pin up to a free output-pin, connect a LED
[10:49:52] <cpresser> they are faster than your eye :)
[10:49:58] <R2E4> haha
[10:50:28] <R2E4> hmmm. thats easy then.... Thanks a bunch.
[11:35:30] <alSMT> Is there a way to keep axis in auto mode after it finishes a program? so I can just push my hardware button to run another part without using the keyboard
[11:37:44] <eventor> alsmi: you can set auto mode with your hardware button too
[11:38:14] <eventor> is your hardware button linked to halui.program.run?
[11:38:18] <archivist> or just loop the program
[11:39:37] <alSMT> ya that was my next plan loop could work 2
[11:40:25] <alSMT> i just thougt there maybe a setting i could use
[11:41:49] <archivist> I suppose it depends on what is needed between parts (is that part in your gcodee)
[11:42:34] <alSMT> just reloading push the button
[11:43:15] <archivist> reload can be coded too
[11:44:02] <alSMT> u mean reload the program or the part
[11:52:39] <alSMT> M2 - end the program. Pressing cycle start will start the program at the beginning of the file.
[11:53:48] <eventor> alsmt: to which pin is your harware button linked actually?
[11:54:10] <alSMT> the only trouble with netting run and auto is someone pressing the cycle start button
[11:54:24] <alSMT> halui.run
[11:55:12] <alSMT> tkemc does'nt act like that
[11:56:30] <eventor> alsmt: with halui.mode.auto you can request auto mode link it together with halui.program.run
[11:57:00] <alSMT> then it will start from mdi or manual
[11:58:22] <Cromaglious_> morning all
[11:59:01] <eventor> yes, but there is another better solution: forum/hal examples/run/step hold/resume buttons
[11:59:40] <alSMT> ill look
[12:03:46] <alSMT> eventor, any link no luck
[12:06:43] <alSMT> found it
[12:31:55] <MrSunshine> phew ... from 24000 to 13000 rpm with about 3000mm/min to make a 6mm carbide bit sound good in the cnc machine :P
[12:38:38] <_methods> shrink fit toolholders?
[12:39:16] <archivist> er...why
[13:01:43] <_methods> that rpm
[13:02:12] <_methods> when you start getting into those speeds it usually a good idea to have balanced toolholders and shrink fit tooling
[13:06:17] <archivist> I dont think the pcb drilling/routing machines would ever do that, too much tool changing going on
[13:06:32] <archivist> and they can run up to 60k
[13:07:01] <_methods> oh i had no idea of his application
[13:07:47] <_methods> i have no idea if they even make shrink fit tool holders for pcb milling machines
[13:08:10] <archivist> I had a high speed spindle in my hand at a show iirc that was collet of some sort
[13:08:11] <_methods> just saw 6mm endmill and assumed he was talking conventional cnc milling machine
[13:09:15] <archivist> had to touch the rotating part, finger got hot quick :)
[13:09:22] <_methods> i bet
[13:09:33] <archivist> amazing little thing
[13:11:27] <_methods> yeah that high speed machining stuff is crazy
[14:21:18] * Tom_itx gives JT-Shop a square-tuit and a lathe
[14:28:08] * JT-Shop has a lathe...
[14:35:03] <_methods> damn keyway broach sets are expensive
[14:35:19] <_methods> gonna have to try and get one at an auction or something
[14:35:32] <Tom_itx> you need a whole set?
[14:35:53] <_methods> i just need a 3 and 5mm for now
[14:36:03] <_methods> but it would be nice to have a set
[14:36:14] <XXCoder> sometimes its cheaper at end to buy a set than buy one a time
[14:36:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/00293050?src=pla&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test&CS_003=7867724&CS_010=00293050
[14:37:20] <_methods> yeah that's not too horrible i guess
[14:37:26] <_methods> get that and a 5mm by itself
[14:37:56] <_methods> i'm just gonna use the broaches at work for now lol
[14:38:11] <_methods> air compressor and bandsaw first lol
[14:38:17] <_methods> stay on target
[14:44:12] <JT-Shop> I just get broaches on an as needed basis
[14:44:33] <Tom_itx> yeah, not a bit call for them
[14:49:08] <Zandypugh> That msc set seems unnaturally cheap.
[14:49:17] <Zandypugh> I bought one of these. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-KEYWAY-BROACHES-IMPERIAL-METRIC-VARIOUS-SIZES-AND-LENGTHS-AVAILABLE-/371093900008?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item5666eb8ae8
[14:49:32] <Zandypugh> And I would not expect MSC to be cheaper than RDG.
[14:52:22] <Tom_itx> yeah, i think they carry a mix of tools. some chinese and some decent
[14:54:01] <Zandypugh> Actually, that is only two broaches, isn’t it?
[14:54:15] <_methods> that's why i don't want to spend much since i really don't broach that much
[14:54:36] <_methods> i was looking at to lathe lever arm "broaches"
[14:54:40] <_methods> some diy ones
[14:54:51] <_methods> might go that route for as often as i have to broach stuff
[14:55:09] * SpeedEvil ponders lathe lever arm EDM
[14:55:30] <_methods> heh it's all fun and games until you drop the edm on your ways
[14:55:40] <_methods> while it on
[14:57:03] <Zandypugh> I wrote a proacj routinr for my lathe: G0 Z10, G1 Z-10……
[14:57:12] <Zandypugh> (broach routine)
[14:58:34] <_methods> yeah if i had a cnc lathe that would work spectacularly
[14:58:45] <_methods> unfortunately i'm still a couple centuries behind in that dept
[14:59:38] <_methods> converting chinese lathe is next after air compressor and bandsaw
[14:59:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABB-Robot-6600-M2000-175-S4C-Robotic-Cell-Torque-Laser-Vision-clean-Industrial-/291439111585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43db1feda1
[15:00:07] <SpeedEvil> _leetle_ over my budget
[15:00:41] <_methods> you can get some deals on arms missing controllers
[15:00:54] <_methods> if you plan on hookin one up to linuxcnc
[15:01:45] <Zandypugh> You could slot with a CNC mill if you stopped the spindle rotating.
[15:02:01] <_methods> i might try that too
[15:02:21] <_methods> rough keyway out with endmill plunge
[15:02:28] <_methods> then clean up with locked spindle
[15:02:53] <_methods> and ground tool
[15:03:09] <Zandypugh> There is often no reason not to just run with a D-shaped gap above the key.
[15:03:32] <_methods> meh i have broaches at work i'll just do it right there
[15:03:44] <Zandypugh> Especially if you are using a grub-screw onto the back of the key.
[15:03:51] <_methods> i'd just much rather do it at home with a beer lol
[15:04:07] <_methods> yeah i'm using grub screw
[15:05:06] <_methods> strap lawn chair to robot arm end effector - take to local fair - write whirly arm program - $$profit$$
[15:05:33] <_methods> try not to kill anyone or it cuts into said $$profit$$
[15:08:43] <Zandypugh> What is the application? These things are stronger than keyways: http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/
[15:08:54] <Zandypugh> (and easier, and spendier)
[15:10:28] <_methods> it's a shaft on motor that's keyed already
[15:10:36] <_methods> i'm just making some pulleys for it
[15:10:54] <Zandypugh> Trantorque can bridge an existing keyway, it’s allowed.
[15:11:27] <Zandypugh> And they give much better axial location than keyway+setscrew
[15:12:07] <_methods> i'm perv'n their catalog now
[15:12:11] <Zandypugh> I am curious what price it quotes you… http://www.fennerdrives.com/trantorque/_/Trantorque-Mini-16mm/
[15:12:14] <_methods> they have some slick stuff
[15:12:44] <_methods> ouch $56.30
[15:13:09] <andypugh> Really? For the 16mm?
[15:13:13] <_methods> yeah
[15:13:21] <andypugh> It says £10:52 for me
[15:13:21] <_methods> i'd definitely use them for a real work job
[15:13:40] <andypugh> Which is not the way pricing normally works.
[15:13:48] <_methods> yeah lol
[15:14:44] <_methods> we're taxin you guys for that tea thing still
[15:14:54] <andypugh> Look for the size you need on eBay? http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-FENNER-6202280-TRANTORQUE-KEYLESS-1-1-16IN-BORE-BUSHING-D333866-/231421339593?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e1c967c9
[15:15:19] <_methods> yeah $15 with $7 shipping
[15:15:21] <_methods> not bad
[15:16:19] <_methods> thanks andypugh
[15:16:26] <_methods> i've never used those before that's pretty spiffy
[15:19:16] <_methods> that Bloc looks pretty cool too
[15:44:30] <MrSunshine> archivist: calculated the speed of a 6mm routing bit was supposed to be like 16 meters/minute at 24000 rpm :P
[15:55:12] <MrSunshine> real high speed chirp from the bit until i lowered the spindle speed to about 13k rpm .. to get closer to the recomended chiploads of the bit
[15:55:23] <MrSunshine> then it was almost a pleasure to listne to it cut =)
[15:55:53] <MrSunshine> but its still a bit high it seems as i make mostly dust ...
[15:57:37] <MrSunshine> 11800 rpm is the recommended high end of spindle speed for the bit at 3000mm/min
[15:58:02] <MrSunshine> 8500 for low end .. hehe =)
[15:58:13] <MrSunshine> but then i will buirn out the motor in the long run
[16:04:12] <MrFluffy> furrywolf: rotary axis working, then unplugged with dc off, no nasty smoke from stepper, stepper back in with dc power off and all ok, works great thanks for the steer
[16:41:48] <Deejay> gn8
[17:52:29] <furrywolf> I need to make my rotary axises work... first I need a new rotary table.
[17:53:22] <furrywolf> and a 7i76e!
[17:55:12] <furrywolf> I have a 4" rotary table I plan on CNCing, but it's properly sized for my sherline... looking for a 6" for my shoptask.
[17:55:21] <furrywolf> then I can bolt the 4" to the 6"...
[17:57:39] <malcom2073> I need to buy a mesaboard one of these days
[18:02:01] * furrywolf needs money
[18:02:36] <MrFluffy> I cut a rotary spindle from a old lathe...
[18:02:58] <MrFluffy> it was a button lathe, the bed was rubbish, but the headstock was great
[18:04:09] <furrywolf> button lathe? does that just mean it made buttons, or a type of lathe I've not heard of? heh
[18:04:56] <MrFluffy> it was made to make buttons on a production line, so sensitive feeds no handwheels, capstain tailstock feed, turret toolholder, but accuracy more than a inch from the collet poor
[18:05:20] <MrFluffy> the entire bed was only supported at the headstock end, and it drooped away from that area
[18:05:38] <MrFluffy> let me see if I have a pic still
[18:06:07] <MrFluffy> http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/31099-1/small_capstan.jpg
[18:06:50] <furrywolf> looks old. lol
[18:06:59] <MrFluffy> that whole tailstock assembly was supported on that single round rail, and you could measure deflection as you moved away from the chuck, I was told it was for making buttons on a production line
[18:07:50] <MrFluffy> I have used every single piece of it, and the main headstock casting is my A axis now
[18:09:09] <MrFluffy> there is a machine bed I have my eye on to make a trunnion from it too if I can arrange it
[18:10:45] <furrywolf> I don't think I need a fast spindle... just a rotary table.
[18:11:16] <MrFluffy> I only have a stepper on it, it was just there to repurpose
[18:11:35] <MrFluffy> I had used lots of other parts of it on other things already
[18:12:56] <furrywolf> it's amazing how much better quality my little 4" sherline one is than all the 6" ones on ebay...
[18:15:49] <furrywolf> I wonder what I could build one out of? heh
[18:16:12] <furrywolf> I have some 100:1 worm boxes in storage, but I don't know if a 3/4" output shaft is stout enough to build a 6" table onto...
[18:19:30] <MrFluffy> how do you get the clamps etc to fixture onto a 6" work area? thats always what I find awkward
[18:20:14] <furrywolf> small parts. lol
[18:21:23] <furrywolf> all these chinese rotary tables just look to be really low quality
[18:22:20] <furrywolf> suitable only for manual machining, not cnc work
[18:22:31] <MrFluffy> they are cheap, because you are paying for a lack of qc and rejects, but if you do not take that gamble, you might not be able to afford one at all
[18:23:27] <MrFluffy> I had to grind in a batch of qc30 toolholders because the flange was too thick to actually go in a qc30 spindle... but they are $40 apiece instead of $200
[18:24:14] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RINO-ONDRIVES-STEPPER-MOTOR-FOR-CNC-4TH-AXIS-WORM-GEAR-NEMA-23-WITH-3-CHUCK-/331538484182 those would make a rather cute B axis for small, round parts
[18:26:57] <MrFluffy> I like big old things, the ones that give you a hernia getting onto the table, but then backlash is a issue
[18:27:59] <furrywolf> I plan on using my sherline 4" table for my B axis... it's manual but looks easily cncable. I have an angle plate and a chuck adapter for it already.
[18:28:05] <furrywolf> need a bigger table for A
[18:29:13] <MrFluffy> Im using the wrong term again, I have the lathe headstock spindle mounted as my rotary axis along the X
[18:29:59] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-ROTARY-TABLE-Hi-Accuracy-9-table-driven-by-a-POWERFUL-NEMA-34-STEPPER-MOTOR-/331423767899 ... that doesn't look like it would work. stepper is too springy. lol
[18:30:36] <furrywolf> especially with the amount of microstepping you'd need
[18:30:41] <andypugh> Yes not a chance
[18:30:59] <MrFluffy> Its too high too, you would loose all your Z
[18:31:08] <andypugh> OK for cake decorating.
[18:31:09] <furrywolf> I can only imagine it's aimed at scanning rather than machining
[18:31:22] <furrywolf> it'd work great if the only thing you were aiming at it was a laser.
[18:31:44] <andypugh> Maybe not a Terawatt laser
[18:31:53] <MrFluffy> bijoux welding rotator :)
[18:33:04] <MrFluffy> if someone gave me one, I could make a lovely little die filer from most of it though
[18:34:04] <MrFluffy> does anyone make any reasonably priced stainless rotary tables?
[18:34:15] <andypugh> I doubt it.
[18:34:33] <andypugh> The only application would be HV and medical, and those are deep-pocket businesses.
[18:34:52] <MrFluffy> Im supposed to be in a group buy to get the WGR indexer castings in stainless but its dragging out and I have to make it after anyway
[18:34:58] <MrFluffy> or wire edm...
[18:35:07] <MrFluffy> for use in the dielectric tank...
[18:35:23] <andypugh> Stainless castings are expensive. Why not go for bronze?
[18:35:29] <MrFluffy> corrosion
[18:35:52] <andypugh> They use bronze on ships
[18:36:08] <furrywolf> and it turns green.
[18:36:23] <MrFluffy> leaves furry marks on the worktable overnight
[18:36:35] <andypugh> The dielectric tank is clean water though, isn’t it?
[18:37:04] <MrFluffy> de ionised, and yes,very clean but with eroded particles in it
[18:37:31] <MrFluffy> and if you get a bad contact between the table and workpiece, it erodes the table or fixture too
[18:37:36] <andypugh> Plumbing fittings seem to cope OK
[18:38:14] <andypugh> I would have a lot more confidence in the conductivity of bronze than stainless. And it is _much_ cheaper to cast.
[18:38:29] <furrywolf> it's not dionized after you drop a workpiece into it. lol
[18:38:42] <MrFluffy> 99% of edm tooling is stainless, they must have good reason
[18:38:50] <andypugh> Neither is my mains water.
[18:38:50] <furrywolf> deionized
[18:38:57] <MrFluffy> the machine mixes resin into it furry
[18:39:17] <furrywolf> I have a DI setup, and can tell you that just about ANYTHING un-deionizes your water...
[18:39:23] <MrFluffy> it has a monitor, and when the tank resistivity gets too high, it pumps it through a DI bottle
[18:39:37] <andypugh> Well, yes, the process makes ions.
[18:39:54] <andypugh> It’s kind-of what sparks are famous for.
[18:40:09] <furrywolf> ok, so you're continually running it over a DI resin. that'd keep it deionized, yes... and your wallet emptying.
[18:40:11] <MrFluffy> yes but the cantons and antons in the mixed bed resins in the bottle counter that
[18:40:20] <furrywolf> stupid DI carts for my filter are $35 each!
[18:40:31] <MrFluffy> with a edm, your wallet is always emptying...
[18:40:57] <furrywolf> lol
[18:41:11] <SpeedEvil> I suppose using tapwater and simply once through is considered bad form?
[18:41:27] <MrFluffy> you cant, you can buy deionised water from the supermarket though
[18:41:35] <andypugh> It was interesting to see that on the Sea Harrier aircraft quite a bit of the landing hear was bronze castings.
[18:41:41] <furrywolf> $1.49/gallon
[18:41:49] <MrFluffy> but you get funny looks pushing a cart full of 5l bottles of water
[18:42:02] <MrFluffy> its much cheaper here... $0.40 or so
[18:42:15] <furrywolf> ... at a supermarket?
[18:42:39] <MrFluffy> yes, I cleaned them out commissioning it for the first fire up
[18:42:59] <furrywolf> https://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/4925071286.html how come milling machines are much cheaper the further away from where I am you get? heh
[18:43:29] <andypugh> I sailed across the Pacific in a bat with a broken water-maker. We loaded the boat with 45 full-size water-cooler bottles.
[18:43:46] <andypugh> (in a boat, not a bat. Bats aren’t big enough)
[18:44:46] <MrFluffy> not di though, I think its fatal to drink
[18:45:06] <furrywolf> no, you can drink di. it just tastes weird, and doesn't provide any minerals at all.
[18:46:20] <MrFluffy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1KA9JqOtAo
[18:46:32] <furrywolf> http://medford.craigslist.org/bar/4946659436.html "has awesome features such as the pure titanium tweeter which was inadvertantly designed to (at higher volume levels)shred your ear drums into tiny little ribbons of useless flesh using its hyper-stratus blow-phonic pure titanium cone of peril technology, previously released only once during the creation of space and time never to be seen again" gee, do you think the tweeter might be a little harsh? :)
[18:46:40] <MrFluffy> it has nasty black bits in, Im not risking it :)
[18:49:58] <MrFluffy> I think that it would be a voyage of discovery to try and deal with that seller...
[18:50:21] <andypugh> He sounds like fun.
[18:50:22] <furrywolf> lol
[18:51:35] <furrywolf> I got a call today from the guy I was trying to buy a set of JBL speakers from... he couldn't find them. he thinks they're in another storage unit of his in oregon, that he won't be checking until mid-summer. heh.
[18:52:20] <MrFluffy> years of machines, motorcycles and live music, Im down with just normal pc speakers nowadays
[18:52:56] <furrywolf> I've love another pair of JBL 4311s.
[18:53:05] <MrFluffy> they all make that same whistling noise in the quiet bits
[18:53:19] <furrywolf> heh
[18:53:34] <furrywolf> that just means you need louder speakers. :P
[18:54:13] <furrywolf> he does have a sansui BA-F1 power amp... but I'm not sure I need it. it sounded like he thought it was worth a lot more than I think it's worth.
[18:54:25] <MrFluffy> andy: $250 for the wgr castings in stainless I think it was
[18:54:26] <furrywolf> .003% THD at 110W/channel
[18:55:06] <furrywolf> I'm probably better off just getting off my tail and fixing my kenwood L-07m pair... dc-600khz at 150W RMS. heh.
[18:57:48] <MrFluffy> thats more than I paid for the edm...
[18:58:12] <MrFluffy> it had been in a big blowup... it was a fun repair job...
[19:00:47] <SpeedEvil> 600khz sounds unlikely
[19:03:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: and yet that's what they go to. because kenwood wanted to beat everyone else's specs past and future.
[19:04:14] <furrywolf> they also have an annoying habit of oscillating themselves to destruction as the caps age.
[19:04:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Oh - an amp
[19:04:44] <SpeedEvil> I thought you meant a speaker
[19:05:08] <SpeedEvil> My current amp I'm using is a 15W class D one bought off ebay, running off an old scanner PSU.
[19:05:13] <SpeedEvil> WFM.
[19:05:25] <MrFluffy> maybe it can double as a longwave transmitter :)
[19:05:32] <SpeedEvil> It cost significantly less than $1000.
[19:05:56] <furrywolf> lol
[19:06:20] <furrywolf> my living room currently runs off a pair of car amps
[19:06:35] <furrywolf> wired to the 12v bus on my solar system
[19:07:05] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rockford-Fosgate-Punch-4080DSM-/261814480517 old school rockford fosgate power
[19:08:24] <furrywolf> bridged for an honest 160W/channel into 4 ohms... I have 8 ohm speakers, so running about 80-100W/channel.
[19:09:10] <MrFluffy> I used to share a house when I was a reprobate and single and we had a kw of valved mono disco PA amp with whatever we could scrounge wired in parallel to it. Maybe thats why I get tinnitus so bad. In retrospect it sounded terrible too
[19:10:14] <furrywolf> lol
[19:10:55] <furrywolf> but it had valves! it has to sound better than any of this new-fangled solid-state junk! just ask any audiophile!
[19:11:39] <MrFluffy> a rounded sound, or was that just the massive amounts of mains hum from the power supply inside trying to keep pace
[19:11:46] <andypugh> I think the owner of this setup has a problem, but it isn’t “too little money” http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/melody3/hero_dan2.jpg
[19:15:03] <MrFluffy> I had a radiogram one (massive piece of furniture with just a valve radio and amp inside), and it had nixie tubes for the signal strength tuning
[19:15:19] <MrFluffy> it still sounded terrible and spent most the energy heating the room up
[19:16:20] <furrywolf> http://www.oaktreevintage.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Jerry_G_OakTreeVintage_1960s-1970s-1980s_Classic-Vintage_Stereo_Speakers_dealer-collection-smaller.jpg is it bad that I can identify a large porition of those, and own 6 pairs shown? lol
[19:16:59] <furrywolf> actually, I think I only have 5 of those
[19:17:44] <MrFluffy> Ive got a record player still, does that make me an audiophile?
[19:18:56] <LeelooMinai> No, a hermit though:)
[19:19:00] <furrywolf> yes
[19:19:48] <MrFluffy> Ive still got a prodigy record on green vinyl too, collectors edition, except I sawn the centre out so it fitted on
[19:20:03] <MrFluffy> and Ive played it too, so now its worn and worthless
[19:22:25] <MrFluffy> http://gallery.pipandphil.com/d/38153-1/jukebox2.jpg
[19:22:45] <MrFluffy> someone gave it me because it was broken, but it was only a limit switch gone...
[19:56:26] <MrFluffy> right fixtures all set up ready, time to go in from the shop. gnite all.
[20:01:09] <zeeshan> andypugh: =]
[20:01:30] <andypugh> ?
[20:01:49] <zeeshan> only you can relate to
[20:01:57] <zeeshan> when someone makes progress in thesis research
[20:02:00] <zeeshan> =]
[20:02:08] <zeeshan> in this channel i think haha
[20:02:33] * zeeshan has been blowing up samples all day
[20:02:40] <zeeshan> with repetitive results
[20:03:07] <zeeshan> i also tested some aluminum foil, and other polymers and that band thing isn't happening on them
[20:03:14] <zeeshan> definitely material related
[20:31:15] * furrywolf can relate
[20:36:22] <andypugh> zeeshan: You may have your own “effect” yet
[20:37:15] <andypugh> I just noticed the time. I need to go.
[20:45:24] * furrywolf is offended at zeeshan's forgetting someone helping with said research
[20:54:15] <jdh> you just wouldn't understand.
[21:40:11] <PetefromTn_> Well that damn cast iron cut pretty much like butter hehe..
[21:40:28] <Tom_itx> we knew it would
[21:40:59] <Tom_itx> someone mentioned the other day it has graphite in it
[21:41:01] <PetefromTn_> I figured it would too but I had to do a lot of cutting with an 1/8 inch cutter so I was thinking there would be a bit of breakage
[21:41:05] <Tom_itx> that's a natural lubricant
[21:41:28] <PetefromTn_> I guess so
[21:41:32] <furrywolf> so now that debian 8 is out, is linuxcnc going to use it, or switch to devuan?
[21:42:34] <PetefromTn_> I probably could have doubled my feeds and speeds actually...
[22:01:11] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: slackware
[22:07:40] <furrywolf> eww
[22:15:28] <zeeshan> furrywolf: lol i appreciate your halp
[22:15:29] <zeeshan> :)
[22:15:52] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im glad it worked out!
[22:17:13] <zeeshan> i fixed a major issue on the mill
[22:17:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah thanks man.
[22:17:18] <zeeshan> i thought it was running at 3150 rpm
[22:17:23] <zeeshan> but it was actually running at half that.
[22:17:30] <zeeshan> and i was feeding for 3150 rpm all this while lol
[22:18:06] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:20:13] <furrywolf> lol
[22:20:26] <Cromaglious_> My dad is still running his Maximus 1's from radio shack my mum got him in 1971 still... One of the Minimus 1's blew a cone though about 20 years ago, havent gotten around to fixing it
[22:22:15] <Cromaglious_> great sounding speaker. Solid wood construction too
[22:22:56] <Cromaglious_> Also need to replace the volume pot on the receiver
[22:23:37] <Cromaglious_> still works... Contact cleaner just doesn't work anymore...
[22:24:00] <Cromaglious_> so when you adjust volume, snap, crackle, pop.
[22:24:40] <Cromaglious_> Hmm or I could replace it with a digital resistor and make it blue toothable
[22:28:56] <norias> howdy
[22:30:45] <Cromaglious_> hiya again
[22:31:14] <Cromaglious_> wow one owner has 3 horses entered into the Derby
[22:32:56] <norias> huh
[22:33:05] <norias> derby is something i know very little of
[22:33:10] <norias> it's a horse race
[22:33:13] <norias> i know that
[22:33:20] <norias> the jockey's are small
[22:34:06] <norias> <- reading up on HSMWorks post-processing
[22:35:29] <furrywolf> ... how the fuck can google maps suck so badly?
[22:35:36] <norias> ha!
[22:37:02] <furrywolf> I want to know the distance from the highway to an address. So far it's managed to not load correctly in several different ways, ignore what I type in and show a random road, refuse to figure out where the highway is, and give me a route that's 135 miles instead of 4 miles.
[22:37:16] <furrywolf> all while being slow as fuck
[22:37:41] <norias> that's amazing
[22:38:00] <Cromaglious_> heh, it's fsck'd me more than a couple times
[22:38:34] <Cromaglious_> routed me down some roads that don't exist, and won't route me shorter router that does
[22:39:22] <furrywolf> oh, and their "new and improved" design animates everything, making it intentionally god damn annoyingly fucking slow for no reason at all. If I click something, FUCKING DO IT. don't slowly fade it. don't slowly expand a box. don't slowly pan. Why the fuck would I want to sit there and watch something slowly happen, instead of happening instantly?
[22:39:28] <furrywolf> it's like UI design has gone backwards 30 years.
[22:40:25] * norias looks at the clock on his computer.
[22:40:34] <norias> I'd take 30 years.
[22:40:54] <norias> Pre-windows.
[22:41:01] <norias> Didn't click on anything.
[22:41:10] <norias> But when you typed something...
[22:41:32] <furrywolf> back when you had a terminal session over your modem, it was acceptable for the information you want to slowly be drawn on the screen, and keystrokes to take a second to appear. then this got better. now, for some reason, we're intentionally making things slow.
[22:42:36] <furrywolf> fashionably late does not apply to displaying information.
[22:44:17] <furrywolf> I can not comprehend why anyone would want any of these things animated. Quicker is better. Animating them just wastes time.
[22:54:18] <Cromaglious_> gpm is your friend! under dos I always ran DesqView and it had mouse copy and paste
[22:55:21] <zeeshan> lol
[22:55:26] <zeeshan> im teaching my gf major and minor strain
[22:55:34] <zeeshan> she gets it quicker than most mech eng do!
[22:56:02] <Cromaglious_> then again instead of running multi headed computers, I had 2 to 4 computers... in '93 I was running 2ea 386sx-33 w/ 4MB, and 1 4x86-133 and a 286-20
[22:56:38] <Cromaglious_> that Harris 286-20 was FAST!
[22:59:05] * furrywolf needs a gf... one that's smart, mature, sane, practical, and good with a strapon.
[22:59:11] <Cromaglious_> in '94 I upgraded the sx's to 386DX-40 w/ copro's and the 386sx replaced the 286-20 and built another box since the 4x86-133 went to San Francisco to a .DOT bomb eappraisers.com
[23:06:11] <Cromaglious_> I didn't get a 486DX until I was given a 486DX2-50 which was promptlied boosted to a 486DX2-80 in '98
[23:47:59] <t12> dang
[23:48:03] <t12> failure repairing the controller
[23:48:16] <t12> i suppose i could abandon that route and go back to encoder -> mesa
[23:50:49] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime