#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-04-26

[00:57:19] <CaptHindsight> lol, random startup website generator http://tiffzhang.com/startup/
[00:59:23] <renesis> heh
[01:00:03] <CaptHindsight> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=416115006302#
[01:00:25] <CaptHindsight> http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=700523950116#
[01:08:57] <LeelooMinai> This startup would fail thugh: http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=403100608149
[01:09:46] <CaptHindsight> I like how it also makes content for the OurTeam and About
[01:09:53] <furrywolf> lol
[01:10:26] * LeelooMinai waits for Kickstarter generator
[01:11:02] <CaptHindsight> Wipely http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=119468546693
[01:24:25] <furrywolf> gah, it's way past my bedtime. no wonder I'm tired. been reading and listening to the 13th floor elevators.
[01:35:33] <furrywolf> bbl
[02:14:55] <Deejay> moin
[06:33:08] <jthornton> looks like I have two options... install debian on the 2TB drive or uninstall backuppc and reinstall from the command line to get more install options
[06:50:22] <jthornton> well plan b does not work
[06:50:52] <Deejay> time for plan c
[06:59:47] <jthornton> well I did find #backuppc here on freenode and there are a few chaps there but none seem to be awake
[07:08:28] <jthornton> I did find this titbit All folders and files under /var/lib/backuppc must be on the same filesystem. You could move /var/lib/backuppc to /media/secundary_disk and then remount or bind mount that to /var/lib/backuppc.
[07:08:53] <jthornton> but I don't understand what remount or bind mount means
[07:09:59] <jthornton> yet
[08:36:38] <_methods> jthornton: there saying symlink it after you move it or mount the new disk as /var/lib/backuppc
[08:36:44] <_methods> s/there/they're
[08:37:25] <jthornton> I think I got the files moved and the symlink sorted out, now I'm working on resolving why the hostname doesn't work
[08:40:02] <jthornton> if I use a host name of 192.168.0.xxx it works but I don't know if that changes after a power failure when the modem reboots
[08:40:45] <jthornton> http://pastebin.com/HqK8az8v
[08:40:54] <jthornton> nmblookup works with hardinge
[08:41:48] <jthornton> Unless you have a DNS server that resolves falko-desktop to its IP address, SSH will not be able to resolve the name falko-desktop
[08:42:02] <jthornton> I see that in the tutorial
[08:42:42] <jthornton> john@cave:~$ ssh root@hardinge
[08:42:42] <jthornton> ssh: Could not resolve hostname hardinge: Name or service not known
[08:45:18] <_methods> yeah do you have root ssh login blocked
[08:45:33] <_methods> most os's block that by default now
[08:45:41] <jthornton> no, I can log in with root@
[08:45:52] <jthornton> I fixed all that yesterday
[08:46:05] <jthornton> I guess I need a local dns server
[08:47:10] <cpresser> jthornton: if its just a few names, manually add them to the hosts file
[08:47:30] <jthornton> where is the hosts file?
[08:47:48] <cpresser> just /etc/hosts
[08:48:04] <cpresser> or use dnsmasq as dhcp/dns server. thats not to complicated
[08:48:24] <_methods> sorry wife just showed up with groceries, i got a brisket in the egg, and i'm tryin to fix my z axis binding lol
[08:48:38] <_methods> but yea sounds like dns resolution issue
[08:48:55] <jthornton> I just found the hosts file and see that I have one in there now
[08:49:55] <_methods> you're using a stock router for dhcp/dns?
[08:50:13] <jthornton> an 8 port D-Link
[08:50:23] <jthornton> DIR632
[08:52:58] <_methods> wut that router is kinda cool
[08:53:03] <_methods> it's got 3g gsm and cdema
[08:53:05] <_methods> cdma
[08:54:06] <jdh> http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-AC3200-Ultra-Router-DIR-890L/dp/B00PVD81MK
[08:54:12] <jthornton> ok, I can now connect to all the linux machines via ssh root@machinename
[08:54:19] <jdh> that one has more antenna, it must be better!
[08:54:29] <_methods> cool
[08:54:37] <_methods> so you got the dns resolving
[08:54:49] <jthornton> I edited the etc/hosts
[08:55:01] <_methods> well that is hard coded
[08:55:12] <_methods> so if you change anythign you'll need to edit it in etc/hosts
[08:55:15] <_methods> just so you know
[08:55:54] <jthornton> you mean change plugs in the router or power down?
[08:56:07] <_methods> no if you edit hostnames
[08:56:23] <_methods> and if your router gives them new ip addresses
[08:56:41] <_methods> is your router assigning static ip's to those boxes?
[08:57:04] <jthornton> I can't tell
[08:57:16] <_methods> you'd have to see on the router
[08:57:26] <_methods> you should be able to assign them static ips
[08:58:27] <_methods> on your router its called static dhcp
[08:58:43] <_methods> page 127 of the manual
[08:59:35] <_methods> hmm it's got quite a few features for a stock router
[08:59:45] <_methods> vlan's, cdma/gsm
[09:01:00] <_methods> and it's got usb
[09:01:06] <_methods> probably make a good openwrt router
[09:02:01] <_methods> hmm work in progress with openwrt
[09:02:11] <_methods> got an open jtag/serial header
[09:02:29] <jthornton> reading the manual now
[09:02:31] <archivist> I like giving my boxes fixed IPs, no arguing with the router then
[09:03:21] <_methods> yeah i assign any normal computer static ip
[09:03:36] <_methods> any transient stuff i don't worry about
[09:03:42] <_methods> but i do have limited dhcp range
[09:03:58] <_methods> i have 10 open ip's for stuff to get on
[09:04:49] <archivist> time I did an internal dns zone for here
[09:08:51] <jthornton> I have a different interface than the manual shows
[09:09:15] <_methods> hmm
[09:09:22] <_methods> you looking for static ip part?
[09:10:12] <jthornton> I've not found anything static ip yet
[09:11:31] <_methods> looks like it should be under the net/lan configuration page
[09:11:46] <_methods> is that an option?
[09:12:37] <_methods> or dhcp server?
[09:12:58] <_methods> static dhcp leases are usually issued from a dhcp configuration area
[09:13:11] <_methods> but you never know all these routers have diff layouts
[09:13:16] <jthornton> the options I have are setup advanced tools status support
[09:18:29] <_methods> hmm when you click on the router ip does it give you more options
[09:18:46] <_methods> there should be a net tab according to the manual
[09:18:58] <_methods> and under that you should have 2 tabs
[09:19:03] <_methods> 1 for wan and 1 for lan
[09:19:35] <_methods> then under lan there is a section called static dhcp
[09:19:53] <_methods> and you can add the computers ip address and hostname
[09:20:26] <_methods> after you put the computers in there you should have the router doing dns name resolution
[09:34:55] <jthornton> this is my interface http://ibin.co/1zfVCOQeW3bR
[09:51:38] <_methods> ah yeah the tab on the left network settings i
[09:51:41] <_methods> it should be in there
[09:51:50] <_methods> sorry was out checkin the brisket
[10:07:20] <Tom_itx> jthornton, why not go with static ip's?
[10:07:24] <Tom_itx> i did on my server
[10:08:20] <_methods> he's trying to i believe
[10:09:07] <Tom_itx> they way they do it changes with different linux versions
[10:11:34] <Tom_itx> you need to edit interfaces in /etc/network
[10:13:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYqXY3L2wc Tiny robots climb walls carrying more than 100 times their weight
[10:13:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i can show what i did if you like
[10:14:50] <Tom_itx> after breakfast...
[10:37:52] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, ok
[10:43:18] <furrywolf> meh. just balanced my checkbook.
[10:43:20] * furrywolf has $46!
[10:50:31] <furrywolf> which means another day of putzing around the house, because anything else requires having disposable income.
[11:30:26] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qFuePn9WA
[11:30:27] <zeeshan> boring video
[11:30:38] <zeeshan> you can see the chatter marks when i was trying to do full 3" engagement :P
[11:31:45] <JT-Shop> ah it's called DHCP Reservation
[11:32:31] <_methods> ah yep
[11:32:47] <furrywolf> I haven't watched the video, but I'd suspect you were deflecting your workpiece, not the cutter.
[11:32:49] <_methods> the manual is so old none of those screen match up
[11:32:54] * furrywolf isn't in the mood to deal with video
[11:33:30] <zeeshan> i doubt the work piece is moving :)
[11:33:40] <zeeshan> otherwise the centers woulda shifted and the butterflies wouldnt have fit
[11:34:06] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: that little bot is strong
[11:34:14] <furrywolf> it doesn't take much deflection to cause chatter
[11:34:28] <furrywolf> and you're cutting around it, so it'll still be centered.
[11:36:48] <zeeshan> prolly was my weak 5ipm feed i was doing when i was machining it :P
[11:37:05] <archivist> could be endmill vibration, change speed to move off resonance
[11:37:46] * furrywolf has found things like throttle bodies to not be particularly fancy alloys
[11:38:41] <archivist> it is thin ally muck
[11:49:17] <zeeshan> anyone wanna trade a bull nose live and another live center mt4 for a mt3? :-)
[11:50:22] <furrywolf> I need a mt3 bullnose live center.
[11:50:32] <zeeshan> me too
[11:51:28] * furrywolf bets archivist has all of them
[11:51:38] <zeeshan> prolly 5 of them each!
[11:52:01] <archivist> I dont have!
[12:20:39] <_methods> went for a ride in my buddies jet powered golf cart lol
[12:20:41] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhWr1kn2auE
[12:23:44] <CaptHindsight> does it help make golf go any faster?
[12:24:08] <furrywolf> I think golf is inherently tedious and incapable of being made faster.
[12:25:33] <archivist> are you trying to get the neighbours to move away?
[12:26:34] <furrywolf> mcmansions for neighbors? I bet they love you.
[12:27:18] <_methods> yeah i'm pretty sure the HOA is modifying the rules to cover jet powered conveyances as we speak
[12:28:10] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Quadbikes, golfball cannons.
[12:29:08] <SpeedEvil> Cratering charges for bunkers.
[12:30:38] * furrywolf would never live in a place with either mcmansions or a hoa
[12:33:32] <Rab> _methods, don't forget your oscillation overthruster.
[12:34:39] <_methods> hehe
[12:39:42] <cnc1> hi to all
[12:42:44] <cnc1> have question : it is possible use stepper and servo in one system
[12:42:48] <cnc1> ?
[12:42:54] <_methods> yes
[12:43:52] <cnc1> you now were i can look for some info
[12:48:55] <Tom_itx> cnc1, this might give some insight: http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/21546-2-servos-1-stepper
[12:50:55] <nofxx> furrywolf, I'm with Carlin: golf is the stupidest sport on earth, it consists of hittin a ball and then run after it
[12:51:58] <cnc1> thanks much
[13:05:31] <furrywolf> lol
[13:08:42] <renesis> nofxx: but golf coursea are pretty neat
[13:09:38] <renesis> golf was on before sunday cartoons when i was a kid, i thought the golfing part was pretty boring but the gold courses were like variable scale landscapes
[13:10:58] <renesis> micro deserts, micro lakes, mini roads and cars, mini regular super mario bros stage complete flags, regular trees
[13:11:52] <ReadError> golf is an excuse to ride around and drink beer
[13:11:56] <ReadError> and whack balls
[13:12:30] <renesis> yeah no desire to fuckup my shoulders wacking balls
[13:21:34] <furrywolf> there has got to be a joke about whacking and balls in there somewhere.
[13:50:51] <eventor> hi, what is the corect pin to connect an external (program) stop button?
[13:51:23] <archivist> you decide which pin
[13:51:59] <archivist> pick a free input, setup the hal connections etc
[13:52:36] <jthornton> eventor, there is an example start stop e-stop on the forum
[13:52:45] <jthornton> and pause resume
[13:52:50] <jthornton> and much more
[13:52:59] <eventor> I've tried halui-program-stop -> machines stop, but it gives an error message in axis
[13:53:49] <eventor> if you click on the stop button in axis, then is no error message
[13:55:16] <eventor> message: emc_traj_set_teleop_enable cant set in auto mode if the interpreter stands still (translated from german screen)
[13:56:43] <eventor> i dont want e-stop, pause or machine off, only normal program stop (not optional programm stop)
[13:58:13] <eventor> jthornton: i've searched already, but with stop there are to many results
[13:58:25] <archivist> a "normal" program stop is when it finishes
[14:00:30] <eventor> ok, but i want the same like the stop(abort) button in the gui
[14:42:37] <JT-Shop> eventor, look in hal examples
[14:43:10] <zeeshan> has anyone here bent 1.25" aluminum tubing
[14:43:13] <zeeshan> .0625 wall
[14:43:16] <zeeshan> or even .125 wall
[14:43:23] <zeeshan> into 90s
[14:43:37] <JT-Shop> yea
[14:43:48] <zeeshan> can it be done without collapsiing the pipe
[14:43:50] <zeeshan> (wrinkle)
[14:45:06] <JT-Shop> .125 yea, it will flatten a tad
[14:45:23] <JT-Shop> what are you making?
[14:45:38] <JT-Shop> and it depends on the bender you use
[14:45:46] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/store/oil_filler_neck/oil_filler_neck.html#
[14:45:53] <zeeshan> i was using mandrel bends to make these
[14:45:59] <zeeshan> stainless ones were relatively cheap
[14:46:04] <zeeshan> but aluminum is like 3x the cost for the same bend
[14:46:14] <zeeshan> (id like to remake these using aluminum) and bend inhouse if i can
[14:47:50] <JT-Shop> eww that is some pretty tight radius bends
[14:48:05] <zeeshan> yes =/
[14:48:08] <JT-Shop> you weld those?
[14:48:15] <zeeshan> yes
[14:48:31] <eventor> jt: thanks, there are examples for run, hold and resume. but how to abort programm execution? i've tried halui.program-stop and halui.abort. but both give the same error
[14:48:46] <JT-Shop> wish you lived closer I'd have you making cat bypass pipes
[14:49:02] <zeeshan> haha
[14:49:52] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/4996499116.html now that's a drillpress.
[14:49:56] <JT-Shop> eventor, ok I give up what is the error?
[14:50:01] <zeeshan> radial driless press ftw
[14:50:05] <zeeshan> drill
[15:01:46] <Jymmm> Impressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FCGgRRPe9Ig#t=548
[15:02:21] <zeeshan> so much dirty work!
[15:03:04] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/ele/4974152150.html renesis: you should buy that
[15:03:25] <furrywolf> "approximately 200 receivers, turntables, cassette players, equalizers'
[15:03:52] <renesis> i dont want to become an ebay seller
[15:04:21] <renesis> sounds like a repair shop closing
[15:04:59] <furrywolf> the phone number is the local transmission shop. I've been in there once, didn't see any non-automotive equipment. guessing the owner has a side hobby...
[15:07:50] <eventor> jt: message: emc_traj_set_teleop_enable cant set in auto mode if the interpreter stands still (translated from my german screenset)
[15:10:18] <zeeshan> =D
[15:10:30] <zeeshan> im getting frustrated by this restrictor design im working on
[15:10:31] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gnVjR
[15:10:40] <zeeshan> it looks great when in the closed position (last pic)
[15:10:53] <zeeshan> but it looks so out of proportion in the open position
[15:11:02] <zeeshan> (first pic)
[15:12:42] <zeeshan> what to do!!
[15:13:19] <furrywolf> what the heck is that for?
[15:13:19] <JT-Shop> eventor, assuming your using halui.program.stop pin connected to your button, you can only press it when a program is running
[15:13:41] <zeeshan> furrywolf: for the oil filler necks
[15:14:01] <zeeshan> basically when youre filling oil, you dont want any restrictor so through cam action itll put them in the open position
[15:14:12] <zeeshan> cam/spring
[15:14:30] <zeeshan> but when youre done filling the oil, you wanna put it in restrict mode so the oil can't come back up the pipe easily
[15:14:37] <zeeshan> and flood your pcv valve (rotary bs issue)
[15:14:41] <furrywolf> lol
[15:14:51] <eventor> jt: yes that is what i do, programm stops, but then comes this message
[15:14:56] <zeeshan> i was using offset plates with holes in it
[15:15:07] <furrywolf> so they tapped the pcv valve somewhere stupid, and it sucks oil on cornering?
[15:15:08] <zeeshan> but they were fixed, so it makes oil filling a pain in the ass (takes like 10 mins to fill oil cause you gotta go slow)
[15:15:21] <zeeshan> furrywolf: pcv is at top most point of engine
[15:15:24] <zeeshan> but it still sucks oil
[15:15:30] <zeeshan> under high g turn
[15:15:49] <JT-Shop> eventor, take a look at my hardinge run button http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/configuration/hardinge.hal
[15:16:07] <zeeshan> all this hal talk makes me want to go work on the gui
[15:16:08] <zeeshan> for the mill
[15:16:09] <furrywolf> what about a simple butterfly?
[15:16:19] <furrywolf> with a hole drilled in it
[15:16:29] <eventor> jt: do you know what the stop in axis do? then there is no error.
[15:18:07] <furrywolf> or what about a relief hose from the pcv system to the air cleaner, so it can't make enough suction to pull oil upwards?
[15:19:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: people have played with various design, and the restrictor plates seem to work the best
[15:19:23] <zeeshan> the butterfly idea is good, i have it modelled
[15:19:30] <zeeshan> but more work to manufacture
[15:19:41] <zeeshan> uploading..
[15:20:10] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gnVjR
[15:20:14] <zeeshan> those are the 3 iterations ive gone through
[15:20:29] <zeeshan> the last design i really like a lot, but its hard to actuate it with one single turn
[15:20:31] <furrywolf> how is one shaft and one disc more work than three shafts and three discs? :)
[15:20:48] <zeeshan> the butterfly will need some sort of gear system to make it acutate with one handle
[15:21:06] <zeeshan> and its more work to manufacture the shafts
[15:21:07] <furrywolf> why does it need to be doubled?
[15:21:36] <zeeshan> depending on how you take the turn
[15:21:42] <zeeshan> the deflection of oil changes
[15:21:53] <zeeshan> thats the reasoning for doubling
[15:22:10] <furrywolf> so?
[15:22:28] <furrywolf> when not filling, close the butterfly entirely, so it's sealed around the entire outside edge. have a small hole drilled in the middle of the disc for pcv flow.
[15:22:36] <eventor> jt: you use halui.pause, but it is strange that the stop pin not works
[15:22:59] <zeeshan> furrywolf: that makes sense
[15:23:06] <zeeshan> but lets say the oil jams up in the hole
[15:23:09] <zeeshan> now you have no pcv action
[15:23:23] <zeeshan> you want to give multiple paths for air flow but not enough for oil flow
[15:23:25] <zeeshan> if that makes any sense..
[15:23:31] <furrywolf> so drill three holes. :P
[15:23:39] <zeeshan> lol
[15:23:51] <zeeshan> good point
[15:24:05] <zeeshan> i had 4 holes last time
[15:24:14] <furrywolf> also, a temporary lack of pcv flow isn't going to be a big problem. if you have the throttle wide open, there's no vacuum anyway...
[15:24:14] <zeeshan> 2 plates, offset
[15:24:17] <zeeshan> it works really well
[15:24:20] <furrywolf> 2 plates is double work.
[15:24:32] <zeeshan> one plate with 4 holes didnt work too well
[15:24:35] <zeeshan> oil still made its way up
[15:24:56] * furrywolf suspect crap engine design. :P
[15:25:01] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the breather port
[15:25:03] <zeeshan> is in the same location!
[15:25:04] <zeeshan> lol
[15:25:18] <zeeshan> so if pcv gets plugged, so does the breather
[15:25:19] <zeeshan> game over
[15:25:23] <zeeshan> apex seal out
[15:25:58] <furrywolf> ... what kind of idiocy is that? if you want the fresh air to enter on the opposite side of the block, so it keeps fresh air moving through the engine, rather than letting blowby gasses build up and condense.
[15:26:08] <furrywolf> s/if you/you
[15:26:25] <zeeshan> hey man, i didnt design the enigne
[15:26:31] <zeeshan> im almost trying to fix a small problem :)
[15:26:39] <zeeshan> this hunk of crap has tons of problems
[15:27:01] <zeeshan> the engine is really great in theory
[15:27:12] <furrywolf> every other engine I've worked on let the fresh air in as distant from the pcv valve as possible
[15:27:27] <zeeshan> but when you look at all things we take granted for in piston engines
[15:27:33] <zeeshan> you really see how bad the rotary is :)
[15:27:39] <furrywolf> subarus, for example, vent both valve covers to the air cleaner, then pull the pcv flow from the top center of the block. that way no matter how hard you're cornering in any direction, there's still perfect airflow.
[15:28:00] <Rab> zeeshan, you say cam actuation for the 3-plate design, but what's the actual mechanism? A ring with three channels, or...?
[15:28:17] <zeeshan> rab imagine an outer sleeve
[15:28:27] <zeeshan> whos edge when threaded pushes against the taper of the pins
[15:28:29] <zeeshan> and actuates
[15:28:35] <Rab> I see.
[15:28:52] <zeeshan> theres a spring that goes there too
[15:28:58] <furrywolf> and, of course, being a rotary, you're adding oil every 200-500 miles, not every 5000 like the rest of us.
[15:29:03] <zeeshan> im really at concept right now, havent worked out all the details
[15:29:07] <zeeshan> haha furrywolf
[15:29:28] <zeeshan> one great mod to do for rotaries is remove the supply line for the oil injectors from the engine oil source
[15:29:38] <zeeshan> and instead give a premix source
[15:29:42] <zeeshan> no more carbon issues
[15:30:03] <zeeshan> once in a while replace it with atf :)
[15:30:40] <renesis> i think the oil injectors saved my brother rx7
[15:31:03] <furrywolf> what about some kind of fixed zig-zag baffle? is the oil being sucked up or spun up?
[15:31:03] <renesis> he didnt know you had to change the oil, he just knew you had to add oil
[15:31:15] <renesis> apex seals didnt go until past 200k miles
[15:31:30] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the g force makes the oil creep up
[15:31:43] <renesis> but yeah add so much oil to an fb, its like a slow oil change
[15:32:19] <zeeshan> i honestly wanna change my oil design to vary the restriction
[15:32:21] <zeeshan> i know it works well
[15:32:25] <zeeshan> tested it a lot
[15:32:30] <zeeshan> dont wanna go with something completely new
[15:32:46] <zeeshan> i dont have a rotary to test with and im relying on my friends race car for testing
[15:32:50] <zeeshan> wanna keep it minimal
[15:33:11] <furrywolf> what about a weighted butterfly that closes on sideways gees?
[15:33:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: maybe :P
[15:33:40] <zeeshan> im liking the butterfly idea with holes
[15:33:45] <zeeshan> i think if i keep 2
[15:33:55] <furrywolf> disc is vertical normally, with the shaft running front-rear. bottom of disc is heavily weighted, top is light.
[15:33:57] <zeeshan> and drill 3 holes in each
[15:33:59] <zeeshan> itll work well
[15:34:22] <zeeshan> using a single knob to acutate can be worked out too, but i really dont wanan be machining those thin slots in the shafts
[15:34:24] <furrywolf> when cornering, heavy bottom swings out, shuts disc. make the disc oval instead of round so it shuts at 45 degrees instead of 90.
[15:35:58] <zeeshan> i wanna keep it non moving
[15:36:00] <zeeshan> static
[15:36:06] <furrywolf> bah :P
[15:36:17] <zeeshan> moving = wear = bs to deal with
[15:36:19] <zeeshan> :)
[15:36:34] <furrywolf> it'll be well-oiled. :P
[15:36:51] <zeeshan> i think im gonna stick with the disc method
[15:37:04] <zeeshan> but i just need to somehow make it more aesthetic
[15:37:09] <zeeshan> in the open position
[15:37:22] <zeeshan> it just looks like random blades
[15:37:25] <furrywolf> which disc method? there's only, like, three of them.
[15:37:34] <zeeshan> first two images
[15:37:35] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gnVjR
[15:37:54] <furrywolf> the weird camera iris clone?
[15:37:56] <Rab> zeeshan, is this a typical oil filler tube? http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/oil_filler8.jpg
[15:38:14] <JT-Shop> eventor, did you look at the start button example?
[15:38:17] <zeeshan> it might not be clear from the pic, but the traingle is one way for the pcv to breathe, and theres 3 small gaps on the outsides
[15:38:24] <zeeshan> furrywolf: exactly haha
[15:38:36] <zeeshan> rab thats my version 1 design :)
[15:38:54] <furrywolf> so they really connect the fresh air vent and the pcv valve both to the oil filler?
[15:38:59] <Rab> zeeshan, PCV valve goes in one of the threaded bungs? What's the other one?
[15:39:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yes
[15:39:08] <zeeshan> rab breather
[15:39:11] <furrywolf> that's the stupidiest design I've ever seen.
[15:39:11] <zeeshan> top is breather, bottom is pcv
[15:39:12] <Rab> ahh
[15:39:33] <furrywolf> that does nothing to ventilate the block. it just sucks air in and back out.
[15:39:50] <furrywolf> fresh air should enter on the opposite end of the block from the pcv. lol
[15:40:44] <zeeshan> http://www.irperformance.com/?product=irp-stainless-steel-oil-filler-neck
[15:40:48] <Rab> zeeshan, rather than an active restrictor with a bunch of moving parts, why not just make a special oil cap with an extension that goes down the tube and restricts flow to the PCV valve?
[15:40:53] <zeeshan> wow these bastards pretty much copied my design
[15:40:53] <zeeshan> hahah
[15:40:55] <zeeshan> i like it
[15:41:02] <Rab> Filler cap is out, no restriction.
[15:41:04] <zeeshan> they even did the o-ring groove method.
[15:41:32] <zeeshan> rab
[15:41:33] <zeeshan> rofl
[15:41:35] <zeeshan> thats not a bad idea.
[15:42:01] <zeeshan> i can integrate that with the last 2 pics
[15:42:11] <furrywolf> lol, first google result for rx7 pcv system is instructions to remove the pcv valve entirely.
[15:42:14] <zeeshan> but you'll be suprised at how many people won't buy it cause they can't use their ricer oil cap
[15:43:02] <eventor> jt: yes, my start buttons works fine, but stop gives error.
[15:43:29] <furrywolf> you just need to make your cap suitably ricer too.
[15:43:38] <zeeshan> haha
[15:43:39] <eventor> jt: i've found this, at the moment im reading http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/6612-how-to-right-sequence-run-pause-stop
[15:44:11] <JT-Shop> eventor, did you look at my start button example for clues on the stop button?
[15:44:49] <furrywolf> google confirms it is, indeed, a fucking stupid design.
[15:44:59] <JT-Shop> you need to program your stop button to only send a signal to halui.program.stop when a program is running
[15:45:24] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: do you have a link to your mill's gui?
[15:45:42] <furrywolf> next time buy a wrx sti. it's much faster, in every way, and doesn't suck. :)
[15:45:55] <zeeshan> sti just blows up transmissions
[15:45:56] <zeeshan> :-)
[15:46:05] <furrywolf> no, bad drivers blow up transmissions.
[15:46:10] <zeeshan> lol
[15:46:11] <furrywolf> learn to shift. :P
[15:46:18] <zeeshan> they cant handle 500ft-lb
[15:46:19] <zeeshan> through the trans
[15:46:22] <zeeshan> at launch
[15:46:34] <eventor> jt: yes i only send stop, while programm is running
[15:46:45] <zeeshan> if you want 600ft-lb - 700ft-lb -- rx7 shell, lsx t56 is the way to go
[15:46:54] <zeeshan> you can stop on that stuff all day long
[15:46:58] * furrywolf has never seen a blown subaru transmission, only severely worn-out ones from crap shifting
[15:47:35] <furrywolf> actually, I saw a blown automatic once. but I think he admitted it had a leak and he forgot to keep it topped off.
[15:47:42] <furrywolf> burnt the cluthes
[15:47:43] <furrywolf> clutches
[15:48:20] <zeeshan> http://i37.tinypic.com/2mhwsok.jpg
[15:48:28] <zeeshan> http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/Lil_Shoaf/Subaru/FirstGear-Wheredidtheteethgo.jpg
[15:48:43] <zeeshan> kaboom
[15:48:53] <furrywolf> and then I saw someone ruin an automatic through stupidity. he was flat-towing the car with no radiator. didn't think to loop back the cooler hoses. it pumped itself dry then locked solid on the freeway.
[15:48:56] <zeeshan> http://www.purdyclevur.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-shelled-first-gear-transmission-1.jpg
[15:48:57] <zeeshan> kaboom
[15:49:58] <furrywolf> I don't blame subaru for user error of that magnitude. :)
[15:50:18] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i personally think a good transmission is one that an end user can't blow up
[15:50:32] <zeeshan> the viperized t56 is amazing
[15:50:42] <zeeshan> people launch those things at 5000 rpm with 1000ft-lb
[15:50:50] <zeeshan> i have no idea how the hell those transmissions surivve
[15:50:59] <zeeshan> with slicks!
[15:51:33] <furrywolf> don't dump the clutch at high revs?
[15:51:47] <zeeshan> say that to someone whos drag racing :p
[15:52:48] <furrywolf> heh, that transmission is a lot simpler than the ones in my subarus.
[15:53:30] <furrywolf> high/low range and 4x4 selection. :)
[15:55:01] <furrywolf> http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/Gloyale/DSCN2576.jpg compare on top of the differential, where the new one just has a long straight shaft.
[15:55:25] <furrywolf> also, the rest of the transmission looks waaaaay too similar. lol
[15:55:40] <furrywolf> I know people play legos mixing and matching subaru transmission parts
[15:57:18] <zeeshan> more stuff to blow up
[15:57:19] <zeeshan> :D
[15:57:34] <zeeshan> that is cool man
[15:57:41] <zeeshan> subaru awd ftw
[15:58:01] <zeeshan> you see those weird threads
[15:58:07] <zeeshan> on the output shaft?
[15:58:12] <zeeshan> are thsoe for the speed ger?
[15:58:14] <zeeshan> *gear
[15:58:31] <zeeshan> speedometer
[15:58:32] <furrywolf> yes
[15:58:44] <zeeshan> that is an interesting way to do that
[15:59:12] <furrywolf> it's like a worm gear, greatly drops the rpm. speedometers like low rpm inputs.
[15:59:18] <zeeshan> dude this transmission looks like a joke to work on.
[15:59:22] <zeeshan> vs the t56
[15:59:27] <zeeshan> everything just comes out
[15:59:29] <furrywolf> what do you mean?
[15:59:44] <zeeshan> you can literally lift the output and intput shafts out
[15:59:46] <furrywolf> it's a subaru. everything is easy to work on. :P
[15:59:47] <zeeshan> and work on em
[16:00:05] <zeeshan> looks VERY serviceable
[16:00:18] <zeeshan> but those gears are so tiny!
[16:01:20] <furrywolf> you can also mix and match transmission parts from a wide variety of models... awd with differential, awd with viscous coupler, 4wd, 4wd with electric switch control, single range, dual range, various limited slip diffs, different gear ranges...
[16:01:29] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[16:01:36] <furrywolf> the pinion is part of the output shaft, so you have to swap output shafts for different gear ranges, but since they all fit...
[16:01:55] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: your website is huge
[16:01:57] <zeeshan> i need gui! :p
[16:02:03] <furrywolf> the picture I pasted is someone playing legos - note the various spare shafts in the picture about it. :P
[16:02:12] <zeeshan> http://www.modularfords.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13714&stc=1
[16:02:15] <zeeshan> look at the size of t56 gears
[16:02:19] <zeeshan> theyre at least double in face width
[16:03:00] <zeeshan> silly q
[16:03:03] * furrywolf notes the t56 is meant for engines with double the cylinders...
[16:03:04] <zeeshan> but in your pic, is that a front diff?
[16:03:11] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, I used touchy
[16:03:24] <zeeshan> ah
[16:03:33] <zeeshan> that has to be the front diff
[16:03:45] <furrywolf> the subaru has a transaxle. the front differential is built into the transmission.
[16:03:55] <zeeshan> does the center diff bolt in to the transaxle?
[16:04:05] <zeeshan> or is there a driveshaft between it and the center diff
[16:04:12] <zeeshan> then another driveshaft between the center diff to the rear
[16:04:35] <JT-Shop> eventor, I can not reproduce your error in the simulator
[16:04:49] <furrywolf> subarus have a front transaxle and a rear differential. all functionality of transmission, transfer case, and front axle is inside the transaxle.
[16:05:21] <zeeshan> so youre saying the tranaxle controls the splitting of torque to rear wheels?
[16:05:26] <zeeshan> (ie acting like center diff?)
[16:05:44] <zeeshan> http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/attachments/f89/216762d1424629099-front-rear-diff-questions-subaru_gearbox3.jpg
[16:05:45] <zeeshan> nm
[16:05:53] <zeeshan> its all inside the trans
[16:06:33] <furrywolf> depending on the model, you get a straight 2wd/4wd selector (locks front and rear solidly to each other, like a truck - this is the one I have), a viscous coupler (crappy, some people like them), a center differential, or a center differential with electronic locking.
[16:08:04] <zeeshan> im pretty sure mine has a center diff
[16:08:11] <zeeshan> the sti has center diff w/ electronic locking
[16:08:40] <furrywolf> you can do a lot of mixing and matching, picking which features you want. some are incompatible, in that things hit each other - like you can only get 1.3:1 instead of 1.6:1 low range if you put in the 4.11 gears or the limited slip differential, I think.
[16:09:19] <furrywolf> the transmission stayed very similar from 1985 through around now, I think. lol
[16:09:58] * zeeshan doesnt plan to modify the wrx
[16:10:13] <zeeshan> it might get an exhaust, intake, somme fuel tuning, wideband o2 sensor
[16:10:16] <zeeshan> thats about it :p
[16:10:22] <zeeshan> its my daily!
[16:10:39] <zeeshan> my ricer tendencies needs to hear the boxer engine.
[16:10:47] <zeeshan> its too quiet right now :)
[16:11:58] <furrywolf> from the page the image I pasted is from, "The upper shaft is a complete EA D/R main shaft. The lower is a complete EJ AWD pinion. There was also a bit of grinding for clearance of the 4.11 with the D/R collar. Also we had to use all of the EJ shift collars, the EJ selector rod, and the EJ reverse lockout arm." "4.11 AWD pinion shaft, and the EA D/R main shaft, positioned in the D/R case."
[16:12:37] <furrywolf> so they put a bunch of '90s or '00s parts (the EJ parts) into a '80s case.
[16:13:08] <furrywolf> because the '80s main shaft happens to mate up perfectly to the newer lower shaft still. lol
[16:13:44] <furrywolf> http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/95638-411-awd-dual-range-in-legacy/
[16:14:32] <furrywolf> lol, one of the posts: Its like no one listened when I said its all just like lego..
[16:14:32] <furrywolf> Well, I guess someone listened :)
[16:15:00] <t12> lol @ ricer tendencies
[16:17:29] <furrywolf> I've thought about building a frankengearbox, but I have too many other projects. I'm happy with my 1.6:1 low range and part-time 4x4... but swapping in a torsen front diff sure would be nice.
[16:18:04] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:44] <eventor> jt: i will try it on an other computer, the computer on the machine is not up to date
[17:02:36] <pcw_home> Yay! rototiller works (quit working last spring, would not start today, installed carburetor kit and all is well even though the parts I replaced look identical to the new ones I installed)
[17:03:05] <furrywolf> lol
[17:03:11] <furrywolf> 2-stroke?
[17:03:31] <pcw_home> No, old 5 HP Briggs
[17:04:08] <pcw_home> funny one where the carburetor bowl is part of the gas tank
[17:04:12] <furrywolf> pulsajet?
[17:04:16] <pcw_home> yes
[17:04:16] <furrywolf> yep
[17:04:18] <furrywolf> they're evil.
[17:04:20] <furrywolf> kill it.
[17:04:30] <pcw_home> its run many years
[17:04:36] <furrywolf> it'll work until you put it away for this winter. :P
[17:04:55] <furrywolf> they have a fuel pump like a 2-stroke chainsaw carb, that always stops pumping.
[17:05:05] <pcw_home> I think the probems are fuel pump related
[17:05:13] <pcw_home> yes its fussy
[17:05:32] <furrywolf> the usual symptom is it'll start only if you fill the fuel tank all the way until overflowing out the cap, then run for five minutes.
[17:09:56] <pcw_home> looks OK for now I think its was replacing the fuel pump diaphragm that fixed it
[17:09:58] <pcw_home> (like the spring is too strong and unless balanced by a new un-stretched diaphragm
[17:09:59] <pcw_home> there's not enough vacuum when starting to get it going
[17:13:33] <furrywolf> grrr, stupid fucking internet connection.
[17:13:33] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> the usual symptom is it'll start only if you fill the fuel tank all the way until overflowing out the cap, then run for five minutes.
[17:22:00] <pcw_home> Seem OK now (Ive had it for ~18 years and it was pretty old when I got it)
[17:24:54] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you get your static ip working?
[17:38:50] <MrFluffy> hello all, dumb question time, if I have a stepper motor + driver, and I detach the stepper before starting up, what is likely to happen to the driver itself?
[17:39:18] <furrywolf> as long as the stepper is detached while the power is off, the driver should be fine.
[17:40:13] <MrFluffy> ok cool, its for my a axis, i was wondering if to route the vdc for the driver through relays and switches to cut power if the A plug was out, but id rather not complicate things if its not needed
[17:40:29] <MrFluffy> the A will only be inserted or removed with no power to the steppers
[17:40:40] <furrywolf> that's my plan too. :)
[17:41:45] <MrFluffy> ok, Im kind of nervous about steppers after buying some of those tbs6550's and having lots of magic smoke events
[17:43:23] <furrywolf> yes, don't buy noname chinese drivers.
[17:43:43] <MrFluffy> I have dm860a's from longs motor now, they have been a lot better
[17:44:26] <MrFluffy> I got a bit carried away with speeds and feeds yesterday and snapped a 16mm slot drill with them, so much better...
[17:44:43] <furrywolf> I read a bit on the chinese drivers before buying mine, and never bought any of them. figured they were just a waste of money.
[17:45:06] <furrywolf> heh, I've found out that if I bottom out my Z axis, it rips the bushings out of the casting. I might have to lower my current limit.
[17:45:35] <MrFluffy> do you not have limit switches?
[17:46:26] <LeelooMinai> I only found that if I place 7mm center punch in the spindle, my steppers can bend it like it was made of playdough no problem:)
[17:47:51] <LeelooMinai> The only drawback is now I don't have 7mm center punch any more
[17:48:06] <MrFluffy> grind one out of a old tap :)
[17:49:13] <furrywolf> no, I don't have limit switches.
[17:49:32] <LeelooMinai> limit switches are for weak people
[17:49:57] <MrFluffy> call me weak, limit and home on the quill + xy
[17:50:03] <MrFluffy> home on the a
[17:50:10] <furrywolf> I probably should lower the current limit anyway... crashing the machine should result in stalling before ripping bearings out. :P
[17:50:53] <MrFluffy> this is a bridgeport interact, i dont want to be there finding out what happens with random flying things if things go wrong
[17:51:00] <furrywolf> it uses a worm reduction to drive a rack and pinion to move the quill. if I stop it, the end forces on the worm rips the bearings out.
[17:52:20] <MrFluffy> why not just simple plunger switches so the rack contacts them at each end?
[17:52:30] <MrFluffy> wired nc as normal
[17:53:53] <MrFluffy> my printrbot doesnt have limit switches, and occasionally when I was having induction sensor issues on it, it tried to smash the hotend through the bed and now its got a low spot from it :(
[17:55:52] <furrywolf> it doesn't really have good places to mount limit switches, and I need to home X to the middle rather than the left or right, which will be fun.
[17:56:48] <furrywolf> bbl, picking up a sheet of plywood.
[17:58:05] <furrywolf> at one point I saw a web page on how someone else fit limit switches... rare earth magnets. I find that idea very tempting. :)
[17:58:06] <furrywolf> bbl
[17:59:23] <zeeshan> hm2_5i25.0.encoder.05.scale <- my spindle encoder scale
[17:59:28] <zeeshan> should this value be set to RPS or RPM ?
[18:00:17] <pcw_home> normally its scaled in RPS
[18:00:27] <zeeshan> blah.
[18:00:36] <zeeshan> im going through my hal config and going in circles
[18:00:51] <zeeshan> there is a scale factor out by 2 somewhere
[18:00:54] <zeeshan> 2.1
[18:01:07] <zeeshan> when i do m03 s1500, it runs at 3056~
[18:02:11] <zeeshan> http://codepad.org/EFr0vTDj
[18:02:30] <zeeshan> if i change .gain from .0767 to .0767 / 2.1
[18:02:32] <zeeshan> i should fix it?
[18:02:40] * zeeshan tries
[18:13:04] <zeeshan-mill> spindle-vel-cmd-rps is currently 3.3333
[18:13:15] <zeeshan-mill> when i command m03 s200
[18:13:23] <zeeshan-mill> makes sense.
[18:13:41] <zeeshan-mill> filter-vel-fb (coming from encoder) is fluctuating like crazy between 2.6 to 4.0
[18:14:54] <MrFluffy> do you know why?
[18:15:06] <zeeshan-mill> no
[18:15:12] <zeeshan-mill> trying to fix one thing at a time
[18:15:15] <zeeshan-mill> first i need to see why the scale is off
[18:15:25] <MrFluffy> I was hoping for some insight, since my spindle speed fluctuates at lower rpms too
[18:16:31] <MrFluffy> at the moment you issue s2000 and it does 2000rpm, so thats been put on the back burner while I sort other stuff out...
[18:18:56] <MrFluffy> but below s200 in high gear and it almost stops, then spins back up to 200, then slows down.
[18:26:13] <zeeshan-mill> hmm
[18:32:46] <zeeshan-mill> ha, the spindle ratio is correct.
[18:32:49] <zeeshan-mill> i was wrong!
[18:33:10] <zeeshan-mill> how can i implement this:
[18:33:21] <zeeshan-mill> i want 2 speed settings. 1 backgear, 1 normal
[18:33:37] <zeeshan-mill> back gear for tapping etc
[18:34:48] <zeeshan-mill> since the spindle feedback is on the motor, and not the spindle, i need to update it by the appropriate gear ratio
[18:35:32] <MrFluffy> not sure,I havent got to that bit myself apart from pondering that in backgear the direction switches have to change sense
[18:36:46] <MrFluffy> assuming you have vfd with relays to control direction
[18:37:17] <zeeshan-mill> modbus
[18:37:24] <zeeshan-mill> sameidea though
[18:37:47] <MrFluffy> back gear is engaged by a lever on the side of the head I assume?
[18:38:13] <MrFluffy> I was wondering if to put a switch to sense lever position for that, but it all starts to get a bit complicated
[18:40:44] <zeeshan-mill> my machine came with a speed selecting transmission
[18:40:47] <zeeshan-mill> but i havent made it work yet
[18:40:48] <zeeshan-mill> =/
[18:43:33] <zeeshan-mill> man my filter vel fb
[18:43:36] <zeeshan-mill> is all over the place
[18:44:13] <MrFluffy> a mechanical variator transmission?
[18:44:27] <MrFluffy> or gears that have to be shifted when stopped?
[18:44:42] <zeeshan-mill> gear shift while stop
[18:56:30] <MrFluffy> I removed my variator to get the machine to fit in here with a concrete celing.... I was reading this thread about similar http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/15717-spindle-control-with-gearchange-and-near
[18:57:10] <MrFluffy> I only have four speeds, two motor speeds with winding switches,and backgear/normal, but I also have the vfd
[18:58:35] <MrFluffy> 1.30am, I need to finish this A axis wiring tomorrow or I am going to screw it up. Ok, later all
[19:19:34] <justflew> Hi everyone, I have this Sensoray 826 multifunction Analog/Digital I/O, is a PCIE board. Is there a way I could use the driver provided by sensoray and turn it into a hal_driver for linuxcnc to work with it?
[19:22:00] <zeeshan> damn mrfluffy left
[19:22:08] <zeeshan> andypugh's mux2 idea works.
[19:25:51] <furrywolf> justflew: I'm not familiar with that product, but you can see if the manufacturer provides any documentation on programming for it.
[19:28:43] <zeeshan> gladevcp vs pyvcp -- whats the difference?
[19:29:06] <furrywolf> one starts with "glade" the other starts with "py"
[19:29:11] * furrywolf has no clue what either is
[19:29:18] <zeeshan> virtual control panels
[19:29:40] <zeeshan> nm
[19:29:41] <zeeshan> right here:
[19:29:44] <zeeshan> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html
[19:29:49] <zeeshan> PyVCP versus GladeVCP at a glance
[19:30:13] <zeeshan> looks like gladevcp is boss
[19:30:46] <furrywolf> justflew: looks like they do provide api documentation, but you're going to have to do a lot of coding to write a hal driver for it.
[19:30:56] <justflew> furrywolf: they do provided a linux driver and a demo. I was able to run them. But I am not sure how to integrate this card to work along with linuxcnc. I had read the hal manual but I couldn't find the card when I am in halrun. maybe my approach is wrong,
[19:31:55] <justflew> furrywolf: thanks for the lead. where can I find out more about wirting the hal driver.
[19:32:05] <furrywolf> hrmm, it does look like there is a senoray hal driver... I didn't see it the first time I looked.
[19:33:58] <furrywolf> I can't find any current info on it, however.
[19:34:25] <furrywolf> just stuff from 2005. heh.
[19:36:43] <furrywolf> you're going to need someone actually familiar with hal driver programming, which I'm not...
[19:37:01] <furrywolf> looks like there is or was a driver for a different board of theirs; probably start with it.
[19:37:22] <justflew> yea. someone did wrote a hal driver 526 few years ago. I don't think is compatible with this 826 card. hmm.. do you know who is the best person to ask regarding writting hal driver?
[19:37:45] <furrywolf> nope. heh.
[19:38:13] <justflew> hmm.. true, that would be a greate starting point but I could not recall which where I found that hal driver ><
[19:38:16] <furrywolf> probably check if the old driver is still present, then see what's different between it and your card.
[19:39:46] <justflew> true, i think most likely is the memory address register for the I/O are slightly different/expended.
[19:40:02] <furrywolf> the other option is to buy a mesa board, if the sensoray board isn't already built into something. :)
[19:41:34] * furrywolf notes mesa boards are about 1/10th the cost, and support is included with linuxcnc
[19:44:56] <justflew> nice option, do mesa board have differential 10v output? I needed this for my application that why I went to this cards.
[19:45:35] <furrywolf> I believe so, but pcw_home is the expert.
[19:45:40] * furrywolf pokes pcw_home
[19:48:35] <justflew> cool, will sent him a pm in linuxcnc fourm while I find out more on mesa card. Thanks furrywolf
[19:52:08] <furrywolf> "one isolated 0-10V analog spindle speed" "6 analog +-10V outputs", some have an isolated "potentiometer replacement" that gives you an analog voltage between any two voltages you supply.
[19:56:07] <justflew> 6 analog +-10V outputs is what I am after. may i know which card is this?
[19:56:37] <furrywolf> 7i77 six-axis analog daughtercard
[19:59:53] <furrywolf> I think there's other boards with 0-10v analog outputs too, but I've exceeded my knowledge. pcw can help you better.
[20:00:43] <furrywolf> 7i33 is quad analog
[20:01:27] <furrywolf> 7i48 is also six 0-10v outputs
[20:02:31] <furrywolf> 7i65 is 8 channels and a bunch of other stuff. lol
[20:03:51] <furrywolf> "a total of 192 analog outputs with real time update rates up to 10 KHz" is that enough? :)
[20:07:02] <justflew> woot~~ that is a lot of option. should be good enough for now. :thumb:
[20:08:06] <furrywolf> pcw can tell you exactly which board is best for your project
[20:12:51] <justflew> sweet, look like he is afk. cos is middle of midnight in EU. lol
[20:13:26] <furrywolf> I don't think he is .eu, but I may be wrong...
[20:14:39] <Computer_Barf> do any of you have a dark theme installed on your debian install?
[20:15:49] <furrywolf> no
[20:16:42] <Computer_Barf> does debian use gtk themes?
[20:16:52] <Computer_Barf> ive never themed a debian system
[20:17:02] <furrywolf> depends on what window manager you're using. lol
[20:17:14] <furrywolf> debian has gnome, kde, xfce, and about a hundred others.
[20:18:09] <furrywolf> unlike some other distributions, debian is not built around a single desktop.
[20:18:12] <Computer_Barf> well I installed the linuxcnc live usb from the website, I boot into xfce
[20:19:01] <Computer_Barf> I previously installed gnome 3.4 but it wasn't able to run on the board
[20:20:19] <Computer_Barf> can debian run mint?
[20:20:41] <furrywolf> isn't mint a distribution?
[20:22:32] <Computer_Barf> yeah i guess your right
[20:24:33] <Computer_Barf> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Vertex-Theme-470663601
[20:26:06] <furrywolf> that had better not be porn.
[20:26:17] <Computer_Barf> lol
[20:26:31] <Computer_Barf> theme porn
[20:26:45] <furrywolf> lol
[20:27:10] <furrywolf> usually when people paste deviantart links, it's furry porn...
[20:27:31] <XXCoder> or in least furry
[20:27:36] <Computer_Barf> well you kind of walked into that
[20:28:00] <XXCoder> what a timing, I just arrived after 2 hours driving lol
[20:28:19] <Computer_Barf> it sounds like you can install packages to run gtk3 themes in debian
[20:39:54] <zeeshan> is there a quick way to scale a signal for gladevcp purposes
[20:39:59] <zeeshan> without having to use scale
[20:42:35] <zeeshan> trying to take spindle-vel-fb (which in rps) and show rpm..
[20:44:00] <Tom_itx> mul by 60
[20:44:04] <zeeshan> how?
[20:44:13] <zeeshan> i always have to use the scale component
[20:44:19] <zeeshan> i cant just multiply by 60..
[20:44:30] <zeeshan> its kinda annoying..
[20:46:14] <Tom_itx> what's wrong with scale?
[20:46:46] <zeeshan> you gotta load a component every time
[20:46:48] <zeeshan> blah blah
[20:46:51] <zeeshan> =[
[20:47:39] <zeeshan> then define a signal name
[20:47:41] <zeeshan> blah blah blah :p
[20:49:09] <Tom_itx> what about mult
[20:49:22] <zeeshan> yea im gonna use it, but still same issue
[20:49:35] <zeeshan> gotta load it, associate it with servo thread
[20:49:35] <zeeshan> etc
[20:49:40] <Tom_itx> it is what it is
[20:49:51] <Tom_itx> you could be using mach ya know...
[20:49:57] <zeeshan> hahahah!
[20:50:08] <Tom_itx> suck it up
[20:50:17] <zeeshan> i was hoping glade had some option to multiply :P
[20:50:41] <Tom_itx> you just don't like the option
[20:51:49] <zeeshan> doesnt look mult2 will work
[20:51:54] <zeeshan> unless you can definite a constant..
[20:52:24] <zeeshan> gotta load a component called constnat
[20:52:25] <zeeshan> lol.
[20:52:54] <Tom_itx> hahah
[20:53:07] <zeeshan> :D
[20:53:29] <Tom_itx> so back to the original question... what's wrong with scale?
[20:54:36] <zeeshan> back tyo using scale :)
[22:13:32] <CaptHindsight> any talk of a Linuxcnc fest this summer?
[22:14:15] <furrywolf> does such a thing exist?
[22:14:35] <CaptHindsight> not every year
[22:15:02] <CaptHindsight> last fall and the summer before that there was, then it skipped a couple years
[22:15:42] <furrywolf> and what happens at such a thing? lol
[22:16:46] <CaptHindsight> a few days to a week or so of yapping, hacking, eating, drinking and machining
[22:18:17] <CaptHindsight> a few years ago it was held along with the Digital Machinist CNC Workshop (2010) held in Ann Arbor, MI.
[22:18:37] <furrywolf> meh. unless I get to bring a wolfgirl home with me, it's not much of a party.
[22:19:34] <CaptHindsight> Stuart hosted it at his shop a couple years ago in Wichita
[22:20:38] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_Fest_2010
[22:21:00] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Fest_2014
[22:24:53] <furrywolf> meh, I can't really see spending a week talking about cnc, or the money needed to do it.
[22:26:15] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan should host it at his place
[22:26:29] <furrywolf> isn't he in the land of cold and ehs?
[22:26:31] <zeeshan> come on over
[22:26:46] <zeeshan> i will troll all
[22:27:07] * furrywolf remembers one of the regulars is in the land of cold and ehs, but can't remember which
[22:27:14] <zeeshan> id love a session where they cover the layout stuff in the source code
[22:27:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: have room for a jet engine powered golf cart?
[22:32:09] <zeeshan> no ;[
[22:35:37] <XXCoder> my grandfather immgranted from land of eh to land of guns
[22:35:47] <XXCoder> gonna love it :P
[22:35:54] <CaptHindsight> Texas?
[22:36:02] <XXCoder> nah usa in general lol
[22:36:46] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, were you at the one in Wichita?
[22:38:06] <CaptHindsight> yeah, did you ever make it?
[22:38:16] <furrywolf> I hate my internet connection.
[22:38:26] <Tom_itx> i stopped by a bit on Friday i think it was
[22:39:08] <CaptHindsight> I think was there Friday - Sunday
[22:39:37] <Tom_itx> saw his shop which was cool
[22:39:50] <CaptHindsight> I left Sunday ~12 to catch my 2pm flight that didn't leave until 7pm
[22:39:52] <Tom_itx> didn't have much to show so i didn't hang around too long
[22:40:16] <CaptHindsight> so i spent most of Sunday a the airport :(
[22:40:29] <Tom_itx> we got a new terminal now
[22:41:23] <CaptHindsight> with bigger letters identifying the name of the airport and runways :)
[22:41:36] <Tom_itx> new name
[22:41:53] <CaptHindsight> you guys have had some crazy mishaps there
[22:42:05] <Tom_itx> well they do alot of testing here
[22:42:44] <Tom_itx> bombardier, cessna, spirit, beech, parts of boeing
[22:42:47] <Tom_itx> all here
[22:43:30] <XXCoder> seattle is where boeing make wiiiings
[22:43:40] <Tom_itx> yeah we make the fuselage
[22:43:49] <Tom_itx> and train it to seattle
[22:44:00] <Tom_itx> i think spirit makes em now
[22:44:09] <Tom_itx> some of it has left the area
[22:44:14] <furrywolf> nothing is made here anymore, other than hash.
[22:44:28] <furrywolf> we have no factories left. all gone.
[22:44:36] <CaptHindsight> well someone has to make it
[22:44:50] <XXCoder> move?
[22:44:53] <Tom_itx> it's good for hobbyists... lots of scrap to pick from
[22:45:13] <XXCoder> place with lots closed factories = lots cheap machines
[22:45:21] <furrywolf> none of it got scrapped locally. the local scrapyard is always outbid by places down south who truck it there.
[22:46:01] <CaptHindsight> we still make bombs here
[22:46:05] <furrywolf> and we never had lots of factories. about five. lol
[22:46:48] <XXCoder> any of you guys ever hack tomtom gps device?
[22:47:06] <furrywolf> everything here costs so much more that even our garbage is now trucked out of the area, because a place down south bid something like 1/5th what the local recycling+garbage place bid.
[22:47:50] <XXCoder> oh brother
[22:47:53] <furrywolf> eventually pot will be legal, and the artifically high prices of everything here will collapse.
[23:07:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thecncworkshop.com/
[23:10:10] <furrywolf> that there's some seriously bad web design. it'd be nice if, for example, you could actually click the menus.
[23:10:35] <XXCoder> works fine here
[23:10:37] <furrywolf> you go to the menu items, and they vanish before you get to them. lol
[23:10:41] <XXCoder> I didnt even enable any javascript
[23:11:46] <furrywolf> when you hover over Attend, a variety of submenus are displayed. when you move down to click them, they go away and the Home button appears...
[23:11:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digitalmachinist.net/workshop
[23:12:11] <XXCoder> fur what browser and version
[23:12:34] <cradek> wow, $150
[23:12:52] <furrywolf> Firefox something recent
[23:13:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah $150 and Mach4
[23:13:06] <furrywolf> don't remember what version. I lost track around version 3000 or so.
[23:13:16] <XXCoder> ah so it's firefox 12881271Z82723U.120
[23:14:00] <XXCoder> but yeah I hate their current versioning scheme
[23:14:29] <CaptHindsight> no wonder I only have 12881271Z82723U.119 :)
[23:14:58] <furrywolf> the cnc class costs $2620. it includes a $900 mill. ouch.
[23:15:01] <XXCoder> lol
[23:15:10] <XXCoder> how large mill?
[23:15:19] <furrywolf> mini, chinese
[23:15:27] <XXCoder> one wioth 1"x1"x0.001" workspace? lol
[23:16:26] <CaptHindsight> menus work fine here with Forefox 37.0.1
[23:16:30] <furrywolf> you're welcome to go to the web page yourself, you know. :P
[23:16:35] <CaptHindsight> firefox even
[23:16:43] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: dang that is early browser lol
[23:17:47] <furrywolf> apparantly the attend menu works if you move the mouse down and to the left, avoiding the area where the "home" button would be. looks like they have a layering issue.
[23:18:06] <CaptHindsight> with so much mach and 3d printer stuff I'm not sure I'd have any fun
[23:18:24] <furrywolf> it's also stupidly expensive.
[23:18:44] <CaptHindsight> Jon Elson will be there and the Tormach crew
[23:19:09] <furrywolf> and it seems like certain large vendors are being promoted
[23:19:40] <CaptHindsight> you can get a booth for ~$150
[23:19:59] <furrywolf> although "Practical solid modeling with OpenSCAD" would be fun. last time I tried openscad, its only options were "take forever", "generate broken mesh", and "segfault".
[23:20:00] <CaptHindsight> $350.00
[23:20:22] <XXCoder> heh that name always makes me laugh
[23:20:24] <XXCoder> openscam
[23:20:28] <CaptHindsight> 8' table $250.00
[23:21:10] <furrywolf> oh, and "you can't do that because a basic feature is lacking".
[23:21:28] <furrywolf> I made some models that'd crash it every fucking time.
[23:21:32] <CaptHindsight> openscam is better than total ripoff cad
[23:22:19] <CaptHindsight> I tried the latest BRL on fedora and the benchmark would segfault
[23:22:20] <furrywolf> it doesn't like when two things end touching each other. I had two tubes, and if you butted them end-to-end, it'd fail. I ended up with fudge factors of a few microns added to everything to make sure nothing ever actually touched...
[23:22:48] <CaptHindsight> i guess it runs smoothly on debian
[23:23:31] <furrywolf> I ran into too many problems to finish the part I was trying to build in it and gave up.
[23:23:43] <CaptHindsight> Debian 8 Jessie was just released so I expect a new Linuxcnc CD based on that
[23:24:10] <furrywolf> does it use bloatedsystemd?
[23:26:06] <furrywolf> if they went through with their threats, linuxcnc should switch to devuan instead of debian.
[23:26:22] <roycroft> i thought linuxcnc still preferred ubuntu
[23:27:04] <furrywolf> debian has gone the way of ubuntu and decided to start sucking.
[23:27:19] <furrywolf> I've been using debian since my 386 was useful... and won't be installing the next version.
[23:27:27] <roycroft> i still find debian the least heinous linux disto
[23:27:29] <roycroft> distro
[23:27:57] <furrywolf> have you used systemd yet?
[23:28:00] <roycroft> no
[23:28:06] <furrywolf> they were threatening to include it in 8.
[23:28:17] <furrywolf> have you used pulseaudio?
[23:28:22] * roycroft still doesn't see the point of linux, but deals with it because others seem to like it
[23:28:41] <XXCoder> mm
[23:28:50] <XXCoder> furrypeaign disto
[23:28:52] <XXCoder> *hmm
[23:31:29] <furrywolf> imagine the legendary reliability and functionality of pulse audio (i.e. doesn't fucking work, ever), but as a huge giant software blob controlling init, networking, filesystem mounting, devices, hotplugging, daemon start/stopping, proccess management, logging, authentification, ...
[23:31:58] <furrywolf> it's even worse than anything microsoft would do, both in terms of giantblobness and reliability.
[23:33:24] <furrywolf> heh, looking at the feature list, it now takes over managing the system clock, virtual terminals, and firmware loading too.
[23:33:35] <XXCoder> systemmd?
[23:34:27] <furrywolf> oh, and if you want any of your software to keep working on a distribution that switches to systemd, it will no longer work on any other linux distributions or other flavors of unix.
[23:34:50] * LeelooMinai wonders if to make fun from furrywolf spelling, like he always does to her
[23:35:53] <XXCoder> weet yeu beth speee juut fina
[23:36:38] * furrywolf checks a dictionary, and finds giantblobness to be a perfectly cromulent word.
[23:36:40] <CaptHindsight> Jessie ships with a new default init system, systemd.
[23:37:17] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: You see, you don't even know what you have terribly butchered:)
[23:38:00] <furrywolf> systemd is probably the worst thing to ever happen to linux, and I'm not exagerating.
[23:38:05] <CaptHindsight> "If you want to use sysvinit, you have to do it via a pre-install script which basically means, netinstall."
[23:38:11] <zeeshan> anyone know which pin stores velocity ??
[23:38:21] <zeeshan> would appreciate it!
[23:38:43] <CaptHindsight> or preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
[23:39:57] <furrywolf> systemd is so bad that a significant portion of upper-level debian people resigned when the decision to use it was handed down, including the systemd package maintainer.
[23:40:37] <zeeshan> i feel a bit silly but under view i have "show velocity"
[23:40:39] <LeelooMinai> lol, must have been one masochist, that one
[23:40:41] <zeeshan> but it doesnt show velocity?
[23:41:33] <furrywolf> Devuan is a systemd-free fork of debian... hopefully they'll come out with their release shortly after jessie's release.
[23:42:34] <roycroft> well at least jesse has something for you to complain about, furrywolf
[23:42:42] <roycroft> we can all thank the debian folks for that
[23:43:20] <CaptHindsight> sysvinit still work and installs on Jessie
[23:43:43] <CaptHindsight> and from the comparisons I've seen only takes 2 more seconds to load
[23:43:44] <XXCoder> systemmd isnt open source or what?
[23:44:24] <furrywolf> LOL! there's a kernel patch, by andrew morton himself, to make the kernel refuse to boot if init is systemd. :)
[23:45:41] <furrywolf> XXCoder: it's open source, but it's a huge giant blob of unmaintainable horrible code.
[23:46:01] <XXCoder> bad code = oppounity for inserting exploits
[23:46:41] <CaptHindsight> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7318767&cid=49555489 interesting observation
[23:48:25] <furrywolf> if it's still functional with sysvinit, it means they haven't fully switched to everything systemd does... if you let systemd take over, it'll control everything including basic networking (bringing up interfaces), and its removal will make a system utterly useless.
[23:48:42] <CaptHindsight> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
[23:51:59] <furrywolf> systemd does networking, logging, console, auth, logins, date, hostname, init, mount/fstab/etc, all daemon management, /dev, hotplugging, firmware, ps/etc, and probably a bunch of other things I can't remember... I'm just waiting for them to announce that pulseaudio is now integrated into it too.
[23:52:05] <Computer_Barf> so why don't you guys like ubuntu?
[23:52:18] <zeeshan> i like ubuntu!
[23:52:24] <XXCoder> pulseaudio next, after that the world!
[23:52:34] <XXCoder> I used to like ubuntu
[23:52:38] <XXCoder> now blah
[23:52:51] <Computer_Barf> I install asla on my ubuntu boxes
[23:52:52] <CaptHindsight> ubuntu tries pretty hard to obfuscate their open source
[23:53:00] <furrywolf> heh, from the wiki page: "Sometimes it is necessary to investigate why systemd hangs on startup or on reboot/shutdown. ". that should not be necessary. ever.
[23:54:14] <furrywolf> I use alsa too.
[23:55:00] <furrywolf> gnome and systemd are bed buddies, so anyone who likes gnome is stuck with systemd...
[23:55:08] <furrywolf> I hate gnome, so no problems there.
[23:55:24] <Computer_Barf> I like gnome , the new ones
[23:55:30] <XXCoder> gnomes steals all options
[23:55:44] <XXCoder> someday it will only have 2 buttons, start and end
[23:55:58] <Computer_Barf> for my laptop I run gnome/ubuntu
[23:56:01] <CaptHindsight> I have 3 apps opened in front of me right now. Why should I have to switch screens?
[23:56:31] <Computer_Barf> i know there was a backlash by the linux hardcores against gnome 3.4+
[23:56:38] <roycroft> if you boot vmircmacs as your kernel you'll never have to switch apps
[23:56:47] <Computer_Barf> but I like it, I like the direction it is going in.
[23:57:32] <zeeshan> finally got my gladevcp made for the mill
[23:57:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/TzIeos3.png
[23:57:35] <zeeshan> sooooooo much better
[23:57:54] <zeeshan> only need to figure out why velocity isnt showing
[23:57:55] <CaptHindsight> I miss my old Gnome desktop since i could more easily customize the toolbars, but I've gotten used to KDE now
[23:57:56] <zeeshan> and im set!
[23:58:05] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: xfce
[23:58:11] <XXCoder> they finalluy updated recent;y
[23:58:13] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: wasn't gnome so buggy?
[23:58:18] <furrywolf> I want my computer to not get in my way. thus, it's never running gnome nor kde.
[23:59:28] <CaptHindsight> I usually run 2 displays side by side as one big desktop with 3-4 applications opened
[23:59:48] <furrywolf> I used to do that. now I just have a laptop.
[23:59:55] <furrywolf> 13" screen...