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[00:11:27] <Cromaglious_> hmm Acorn computers which made the BBC computer spun off a processor computer ARM
[00:11:39] <Cromaglious_> hmm Acorn computers which made the BBC computer spun off a processor company ARM
[00:11:53] <Cromaglious_> yes ARM pRocessors in mobile phones
[00:15:07] <CaptHindsight> yes, back in the 90's
[00:16:51] <Cromaglious_> ok linuxcnc is running again.. commented out cups loading parport modules
[00:27:51] <t12> ugh i think i'm somehow blowing these positioning modules at servo drive poweron
[00:27:57] <t12> module i just had working has ceased to work
[00:28:49] <zeeshan|2> positoning module?
[00:29:03] <t12> all this mitsu plc stuff
[00:29:27] <t12> the have a plc module that is the communciation interface to their later drives
[00:29:29] <Cromaglious_> in rush?
[00:29:36] <t12> i'm assuming yeah
[00:29:40] <t12> i can scope the tx still
[00:29:41] * zeeshan|2 kept on blopwing servo drives on power cycle
[00:29:41] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:29:47] <t12> tx -> drive
[00:29:48] <Cromaglious_> so need to figure out a soft start
[00:29:58] <t12> drive out doesnt move
[00:30:12] <t12> so i'm assuming failure mode is it being pulled down
[00:30:27] <t12> yeah
[00:30:35] <t12> for now i think that just means powering the drive then connecting the cables
[00:30:47] <t12> (comms)
[00:31:36] <t12> also i could wire it correctly and isolate logic vs drive power
[00:31:54] <Cromaglious_> yeah, that sounds better
[00:32:03] <t12> i figured didnt matter much on a small drive with no load
[00:32:06] <t12> apparently maybe it does
[00:32:39] <t12> so next is smt repair attempt of the differential driver
[00:52:32] <Cromaglious_> I have a induction sensor, which uses 8-36vdc to drive it, now I have to make a circuit to isolate it to get the signal back onto the BOB
[00:54:07] <Cromaglious_> resistor and photo diode isolater probably
[00:54:18] <norias> hello
[00:55:38] <Cromaglious_> hiya norias
[00:55:45] <norias> hey, how are you?
[00:56:10] <Cromaglious_> pulling out my hair as usual... whatcha upto yourself?
[00:56:20] <norias> hah
[00:56:26] <norias> trying to research post processors
[00:56:32] <norias> for HSMWorks, etc
[00:56:43] <norias> and listening to a webinar for NX CAM
[00:56:53] <Cromaglious_> some file format to g code?
[00:57:02] <norias> ?
[00:57:10] <Cromaglious_> post processor
[00:57:29] <norias> it's part of a CAM system
[00:57:41] <Cromaglious_> I'm watching Computerphile on youtube going on about old crappy computers
[00:57:49] <norias> that makes the gcode for your specific controller
[00:58:02] <norias> i want to make some post processors for the HSMWorks system
[00:58:16] <norias> I just did a quick edit for a customer
[00:58:21] <norias> but i want to learn more
[00:59:18] <Cromaglious_> ahh generic g code to specific g code
[00:59:41] <norias> yeah, pretty much
[01:00:16] <Cromaglious_> well commercial software is definately out of my price range..
[01:00:45] <norias> hmm, HSMExpress is free
[01:00:52] <norias> good 2.5D milling CAM
[01:01:16] <Cromaglious_> requires solidworks
[01:01:18] <norias> oh, well, it's not standalone
[01:01:19] <norias> yeah
[01:01:31] <norias> fusion 360 is free under certain circumstances
[01:01:38] <norias> which has the 2.5D cam
[01:02:04] <norias> i think, if you have to pay, it's $45 a month
[01:02:10] <norias> i haven't tried it on Linux yet
[01:02:20] <renesis> fusion 360 was okay
[01:02:30] <renesis> the cloud shit makes it pretty annoying to use
[01:02:35] <norias> i don't mind that
[01:02:41] <norias> i like the price point
[01:02:45] <renesis> yeah i used it despite that
[01:02:50] <renesis> pretty much
[01:02:57] <norias> i signed on during the beta
[01:03:03] <norias> so i got an offer to get 3d cam
[01:03:08] <norias> for the 2.5d price
[01:03:10] <norias> so, i bit
[01:03:33] <renesis> i got it with a student license i think i can do all the 3d cam stuff
[01:03:44] <norias> oh, cool
[01:03:58] <norias> onshape is basically solidworks in the cloud
[01:04:10] <norias> it's free for a certain amount of private models
[01:04:17] <norias> again, haven't tried on linux
[01:05:23] <CaptHindsight> fun stuff having to write postprocessors for NX and Mastercam
[01:05:51] <CaptHindsight> like belt sanding your nipples only more painful
[01:05:54] <norias> hah
[01:05:57] <norias> that good, eh?
[01:06:14] <norias> what language are the NX ones done with?
[01:06:26] <CaptHindsight> I forget who uses what but they tend to have their own scripting language
[01:06:51] <norias> bummer
[01:07:01] <norias> HSM uses javascript
[01:07:05] <norias> which seems interesting
[01:07:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.endesin.com/nx-technical-articles/introduction-to-post-builder
[01:07:45] <norias> whoa
[01:08:01] <norias> i don't like it
[01:08:23] <norias> i'm assuming posts can be hand edited
[01:08:28] <norias> without this interface
[01:08:37] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[01:08:46] <zeeshan|2> post builder is really nice
[01:08:52] <zeeshan|2> to customize posts
[01:08:59] <norias> huh
[01:09:01] <CaptHindsight> but they are happy to help for $170/hr
[01:09:02] <zeeshan|2> in nx
[01:09:03] <norias> i'll keep that in mind
[01:09:05] <norias> lol
[01:09:21] <norias> i'm thinking about selling this one company on some consulting work
[01:09:24] <norias> and they use NX
[01:09:31] <norias> hence me trying to learn about it
[01:09:39] <zeeshan|2> norias i like nx cam
[01:09:45] <zeeshan|2> cause its an entire package in 1 software
[01:09:49] <norias> makes sense
[01:09:53] <zeeshan|2> but its a real pain in the ass to use
[01:10:00] <norias> is there a free demo you know of, that i can play with?
[01:10:06] <zeeshan|2> no =/
[01:10:10] <CaptHindsight> i built a custom machine for Apple and they wanted to use NX to generate the G-code
[01:10:20] <zeeshan|2> honestly ive used both nx cam and mastercam
[01:10:27] <zeeshan|2> (integrated in solidworks)
[01:10:32] <zeeshan|2> and hands down, mastercam is 190282109812 x easier to use
[01:10:38] <zeeshan|2> but nx is way more customizable
[01:10:41] <norias> ugh, mastercam for solidworks
[01:10:53] <norias> i tried it and wasn't impressed
[01:11:00] <zeeshan|2> it all depends on what kind of cam work you need to do
[01:11:03] <norias> true
[01:11:04] <CaptHindsight> 190282109812 heh more like 2000000000
[01:11:10] <norias> honestly
[01:11:24] <norias> up until recently i haven't been too in to cam
[01:11:32] <norias> i've used it when
[01:11:43] <norias> 1. i was sick of writing yet another pocket routine
[01:11:53] <norias> (i.e. roughing)
[01:11:57] <norias> or
[01:12:01] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:12:06] <norias> 2. the geometry seemed a total pain to trig out
[01:12:11] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/DDaVVEx.png
[01:12:16] <zeeshan|2> that bracket for comparison purposes
[01:12:19] <zeeshan|2> literally took me 2 minutes to do
[01:12:26] <zeeshan|2> face, pocket, drill, contour
[01:12:30] <norias> cool
[01:12:36] <norias> yeah, so i used CAM
[01:12:37] <zeeshan|2> but its fairly simple
[01:12:44] <norias> but not... a bunch
[01:12:49] <norias> definitely wasn't a power user
[01:12:58] <norias> more of a "write the code by hand"
[01:13:02] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:13:08] <norias> my favorite CAM has always been either notepad
[01:13:10] <norias> or vi
[01:13:20] <zeeshan|2> i respect cam by hand
[01:13:23] <norias> but, i used it more and more
[01:13:28] <norias> and ended up teaching it
[01:13:45] <norias> and with my interest in ...
[01:13:52] <norias> changing how some of this stuff works
[01:14:03] <norias> i guess i'm realizing computers and machining can be a really cool combo
[01:14:05] <CaptHindsight> I hate programming of almost every kind
[01:14:08] <norias> i just hate how everyone does it
[01:14:21] <norias> i hate cnc controllers
[01:14:26] <norias> i hate cam software
[01:14:29] <norias> i'm a hater
[01:14:30] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:14:39] <zeeshan|2> just try to use the best of both worlds
[01:14:46] <zeeshan|2> dont hate :P
[01:14:55] <norias> so, now i want to try linuxcnc
[01:15:01] <zeeshan|2> you know you'd have hell of a time trying to program a compressor blade
[01:15:02] <norias> so i can make the controller do what i want
[01:15:03] <zeeshan|2> on a 5 axis by hand
[01:15:14] <norias> and post processors
[01:15:20] <norias> so i can make cam do what i want
[01:15:24] <norias> yeah
[01:15:33] <norias> i actually did some 5 axis stuff sorta by hand
[01:15:37] <zeeshan|2> you can learn how to modify the mastercam post processor in 2 days using the online webinars that are on youtube
[01:15:37] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I find myself clicking the mouse more often in NX than in Creo, Catia and SW
[01:15:37] <norias> lots of trig
[01:15:47] <norias> lots of spreadsheets
[01:15:48] <CaptHindsight> usually to get back out of a feature
[01:15:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: nx is powerful
[01:15:59] <zeeshan|2> but i hate using it.
[01:16:10] <norias> brb, water
[01:16:14] <zeeshan|2> like here...
[01:16:29] <CaptHindsight> I started customizing the features
[01:16:36] <zeeshan|2> i was officially taught these: solidworks, inventor, nx, solidedge
[01:16:52] <zeeshan|2> and when i say taught i mean used them at work
[01:17:03] <zeeshan|2> and learned pretty much the majority of the shortcuts to be productive
[01:17:09] <zeeshan|2> and couple semesters of school
[01:17:09] <CaptHindsight> got tired of having to exit back out of simple things like Zoom and Pan
[01:17:16] <zeeshan|2> i use solidworks for my own stuff
[01:17:21] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[01:17:31] <zeeshan|2> yea that is frustrating
[01:17:41] <CaptHindsight> I used to, now I'm foring myself to stick with NX
[01:17:55] <CaptHindsight> foring/forcing
[01:18:04] <zeeshan|2> nx's dyanmic force analysis is pretty nice
[01:18:12] <zeeshan|2> its a neat package
[01:18:29] <zeeshan|2> what version are you using
[01:18:38] <CaptHindsight> I spent 30 minutes trying to get a gear to spin for an animation yesterday
[01:19:24] <CaptHindsight> pick part, pick face, pick vector, pick etc etc...
[01:19:31] <norias> hmm
[01:19:33] <zeeshan|2> dont you find that vector stuff
[01:19:34] <zeeshan|2> annoying?
[01:19:35] <CaptHindsight> still not spinning
[01:19:39] <zeeshan|2> and not intuitive?
[01:19:43] <norias> i had to take drafting classes in my apprenticeship
[01:19:50] <zeeshan|2> drafting by hand?
[01:19:51] <norias> i.e. buy all the right pencils
[01:19:54] <zeeshan|2> hah
[01:19:55] <norias> yeah
[01:20:04] <norias> i still have the squares and stuff
[01:20:07] <CaptHindsight> yeah more annoying than intuitive
[01:20:13] <norias> i liked it
[01:20:32] <norias> the company i worked for then
[01:20:39] <norias> had some of their old die prints
[01:20:43] <norias> framed on the walls
[01:20:47] <norias> like pieces of art
[01:20:58] <CaptHindsight> I glad those 4 years of HS drafting have come in handy :)
[01:21:24] <norias> we went all out
[01:21:27] <norias> did GD&T
[01:21:32] <norias> it was a great time
[01:21:40] <CaptHindsight> they never covered all the shorthand dimensions
[01:21:41] <zeeshan|2> i somehow managed to get out of drafting by hand
[01:21:51] <norias> of course, we were all in surface grinding
[01:22:01] <CaptHindsight> we had to dimension everything
[01:22:02] <norias> so any time not standing in front of a surface grinder
[01:22:06] <norias> seemed like a good time
[01:22:25] <zeeshan|2> but they made us eat ansi y14.5m for an hour 5 times a week!
[01:22:30] <CaptHindsight> I still have graphite in my skin from then :)
[01:22:37] <norias> i have a slide rule!
[01:22:44] <norias> here's my life story:
[01:22:45] <zeeshan|2> you guys are old school
[01:22:46] <zeeshan|2> :)
[01:22:48] <norias> came back from the war
[01:22:51] <norias> married a pretty girl
[01:23:00] <norias> became a machinist
[01:23:05] <CaptHindsight> this was the 70's
[01:23:07] <norias> eventually bought a slide rule
[01:23:17] <norias> i'm officially a 70 year old man
[01:23:23] <norias> in a 35 year old body
[01:23:39] <zeeshan|2> i discovered last year you could find the sin of angles on a slide rule
[01:23:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:23:51] <norias> yeah, cool stuff
[01:23:52] <zeeshan|2> i didnt even know what a slide rule looked like before then
[01:24:01] <norias> you can do a lot with a slide rule
[01:24:09] <norias> i have a 6" pocket one
[01:24:15] <norias> i keep in my briefcase
[01:24:18] <norias> in case i need it
[01:24:20] <CaptHindsight> slide rules were great to break the boredom in most classes
[01:24:28] <norias> has actually come in handy
[01:24:45] <zeeshan|2> i carry a fx-991 ms
[01:24:47] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[01:25:25] * archivist uses the nearest PC
[01:25:49] <zeeshan|2> i guess what you use in school ends up being a part of you
[01:26:00] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC18amVhALQ POSTPROCESSOR BUILDING - "Tool Command Language (TCL) - Part 1"
[01:26:00] <zeeshan|2> i honestly get a headache trying to use the calc on the comp
[01:26:28] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: thats the one i followed
[01:26:33] <zeeshan|2> wait maybe not
[01:26:35] <archivist> I use a spreadsheet for anything involved
[01:27:39] <zeeshan|2> i have a linuxcnc lathe post for nx if interested
[01:27:44] <archivist> and something permanent even php
[01:28:30] <norias> hmm
[01:28:35] <norias> i should make a website
[01:28:43] <norias> that generates HSMWorks post processors
[01:29:57] <norias> one thing that annoys me about CAM generated code
[01:30:05] <norias> is it never does sub routines
[01:30:07] <norias> or loops
[01:30:11] <norias> it just unrolls loops
[01:30:56] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:30:57] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[01:31:05] <zeeshan|2> i wonder why that is?
[01:31:12] <norias> easy
[01:31:30] <norias> i think it'd be a pain in the ass to generate code with subs and loops
[01:31:35] <norias> but that's how i write by hand
[01:31:47] <norias> and i feel like it's 100x easier to understand
[01:32:02] <norias> so, one of my tricks has been to use CAM to generate one toolpath
[01:32:08] <norias> then copy paste that inside the loop
[01:32:18] <norias> but... i want the CAM to do that!
[01:33:01] <zeeshan|2> i guess modern machines dont have line limits
[01:33:07] <zeeshan|2> so you could technically run a 300MB g-code
[01:33:10] <zeeshan|2> and its okay
[01:33:11] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:33:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah the 640k limit was lifted long ago
[01:33:43] <zeeshan|2> but debugging would be much easier with subroutines and loops
[01:34:35] <renesis> it's not as failsafe or compatible
[01:34:55] <norias> hah
[01:34:56] <renesis> CAM generation is usually done with tons of linear paths, a lot of times it wont even do canned drill cycles
[01:35:04] <renesis> and those almost always work
[01:35:07] <norias> someone in a forum said "How now, brown cow?"
[01:35:08] <zeeshan|2> shrug
[01:35:27] <renesis> in coding classes, we would laugh at most generated g-code
[01:35:27] <zeeshan|2> canned cycles are handled pretty well by mastercam! :P
[01:35:32] <renesis> it was connect the dots
[01:35:37] <norias> i think debugging is easier with loops
[01:35:38] <norias> and also
[01:35:45] <norias> it makes errors more obvious sometimes
[01:35:47] <renesis> it can be but loops arent consistent
[01:35:50] <archivist> this is me doing it in php
http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[01:35:51] <norias> if that makes sense
[01:35:59] <norias> how are loops not consistent?
[01:36:15] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you're hardcore too
[01:36:16] <renesis> compatibility with cnc platforms
[01:36:16] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:36:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mastercampost.com/posts.php
[01:36:34] <norias> oh, you mean different controllers implement loops different?
[01:36:36] <zeeshan|2> i see too many dfecimal places
[01:36:44] <renesis> norias: yes exactly
[01:36:51] <CaptHindsight> ~$3500 ea
[01:36:56] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:37:00] <norias> renesis: i see your point, but that's why we have post processors
[01:37:02] <renesis> like, im not sure the way we did subprograms on a haas would work on linuxcnc
[01:37:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mastercam.com/en-us/Solutions/3rd-Party-Solutions/Post-Processor-Services
[01:37:15] <norias> no, i'm familiar with that problem
[01:37:17] <renesis> anbd im pretty sure linux cnc variable based loops wouldnt go on a haas
[01:37:28] <norias> no, haas hates variables
[01:37:31] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: its so easy to customize! :P
[01:37:38] <norias> but i hate haas, so it's mutual
[01:37:41] <renesis> norias: right but i can see why they wouldnt want to completely rework the backend to process for every machine
[01:37:47] <renesis> when just doing it linear works
[01:38:00] <norias> all i'm saying is implement it in the post
[01:38:09] <norias> you're already writing a post for every controller, anyway
[01:38:20] <zeeshan|2> ^ true
[01:38:26] <renesis> right but mostly its about safety blocks and fixing some details
[01:38:34] <zeeshan|2> wat
[01:38:40] <norias> wat wat?!
[01:38:44] <renesis> in the utt
[01:38:50] <renesis> ^b
[01:38:52] <zeeshan|2> you havent seen how crappy mastercam was for posting linuxcnc lathe code
[01:39:02] <zeeshan|2> needed major mod
[01:39:06] <zeeshan|2> the mill post needed less
[01:39:06] <renesis> im not surprised
[01:39:17] <renesis> i use enough different cam generators to not trip
[01:39:26] <renesis> i run the code, it errors out, i fix the code, done
[01:39:35] <archivist> zeeshan|2, forget the decimals at your peril :)
[01:39:38] <renesis> usually i just takes find/replaces
[01:40:00] <zeeshan|2> kinda defeats the purpose of cam
[01:40:02] <zeeshan|2> to find and replace
[01:40:02] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[01:40:11] <renesis> takes a few seconds
[01:40:17] <renesis> like pcb-gcode drill files always fuckup
[01:40:32] <renesis> fuck if i want to learn how it does post processing when it takes 5 seconds to edit the code
[01:41:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/oakville-halton-region/hold-down-clamps/1053752940?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[01:41:30] <zeeshan|2> wtf @ 150$
[01:41:31] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:42:03] <norias> shie
[01:42:05] <norias> shite
[01:42:16] <norias> i just found the API manual for HSMWorks post processing
[01:43:05] <renesis> if it was a consistent issue with hsm or mastercam id prob look into it, id trust their post processor to be less crackish
[01:43:05] <norias> now i know what i'm doing with the rest of my night
[01:43:09] <norias> sleeping
[01:43:19] <renesis> thats a bad habit
[01:44:06] <norias> but i'm soooo good at it
[01:46:02] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I want 6 axis to automate bevel gears fully, or get better at maffs
[01:46:11] <zeeshan|2> http://mech.mcmaster.ca/~adspence/Teaching/MechEng4Z032013/Machining/MST_NX7_Manual.pdf
[01:46:17] <zeeshan|2> pretty good manual to get started with nx
[01:46:53] <zeeshan|2> archivist: one day i will make a differential gear set!
[01:47:03] <zeeshan|2> from some processes i've seen
[01:47:09] <zeeshan|2> you dont really need to grind them after heat treatment
[01:47:13] <zeeshan|2> you can machine them with carbide.
[01:47:20] <zeeshan|2> as long as your machine is rigid enough
[01:47:57] <zeeshan|2> maffs = ?
[01:48:08] <archivist> a typo
[01:48:24] <zeeshan|2> ,maths?
[01:48:39] <archivist> a deliberate tyop
[01:48:43] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[01:49:49] <zeeshan|2> http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/asia/koreas-cyber-hacking/index.html
[01:49:50] <zeeshan|2> libtool
[01:49:51] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[01:51:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150422-new-limitless-multi-tool-machine-combines-a-3d-printer-with-a-cnc-machine.html
[01:52:25] <CaptHindsight> mo more pesky metal machine frames
[01:54:27] <CaptHindsight> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/602/398/fe4b110b6a84f12aed11f1128c5ff2fa_original.jpg?v=1428884800&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bd0e5ea062fef201fcf854431d9b644d I can smell the quality from here
[01:55:46] <archivist> limited by its spastic frame
[01:56:18] <CaptHindsight> _methods: ^^ to start your day
[02:05:07] <archivist> zeeshan|2, a joke(price) for you
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilger-and-watts-square-block-level-/161681406920
[02:11:42] <Deejay> moin
[02:29:50] <Cromaglious_> morning
[04:36:43] <XXCoder> heys
[04:36:54] <XXCoder> finally good-ish fday at work
[06:36:03] <norias> waking up is hard to do...
[06:36:09] <norias> they say that waking up is
[06:36:12] <norias> hard to do
[06:36:15] <norias> now i know
[06:36:21] <norias> i know that it's true
[06:36:28] <norias> don't say, just get out of bed
[06:36:43] <norias> instead of waking up
[06:36:54] <norias> i wish i were laying down again
[07:11:20] <jthornton> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.102 port 22: Connection refused
[07:30:12] <_methods> is firewall on?\
[07:30:29] <jthornton> it's all on a LAN
[07:30:45] <_methods> well i've run into boxes with ssh disabled by default
[07:31:05] <jthornton> ping 192.168.0.102 works
[07:31:07] <_methods> and did you set up ssh keys
[07:31:28] <_methods> you don't have to but just wondering
[07:31:37] <_methods> if this is for backuppc/rsync
[07:31:39] <jthornton> yes, maybe... keys as in more than one computer
[07:31:43] <_methods> i think you'll need to set that up
[07:31:52] <jthornton> yea backuppc
[07:32:20] <jthornton> I've tried to work through a couple of different tutorials and always get to the same step and can't connect
[07:32:25] <_methods> so that ssh connect was that error from you manually tryin to connect
[07:33:07] <jthornton> and when I try and send the key using scp
[07:34:55] <jthornton> I guess I need to back down to ssh and get that working
[07:35:15] <_methods> yeah i'd make sure you can manually ssh into the box
[07:35:33] <_methods> then manually connect using the ssh keys
[07:36:14] <_methods> i think i had to set the keys up with no password
[07:36:18] <_methods> if i remember right
[07:39:24] <jthornton> and some googling A firewall somewhere along the way is blocking or not forwarding port 22
[07:39:37] <_methods> this is possible
[07:39:54] <_methods> that's why i always try and make sure i can manually ssh into the box first
[07:40:55] <_methods> once you have that working then you can start to troubleshoot automating
[08:02:23] <JT-Shop> it might be my D-Link 8 port router as everything goes through that including the two 4 port routers
[08:04:58] <_methods> well can you ssh into any computer on your lan?
[08:05:18] <_methods> i can't imagine the router would be blockin ssh unless you told it to
[08:05:50] <JT-Shop> I need to try from here to the plasma as that connection doesn't go through the DR632
[08:06:10] <_methods> you have 3 routers on the same network?
[08:06:19] <JT-Shop> yea
[08:06:25] <_methods> interesting
[08:06:36] <_methods> only one is doing dhcp though correct?
[08:06:56] <JT-Shop> LOL, I don't have a clue
[08:07:00] <_methods> oh wow
[08:07:05] * archivist hates dhcp
[08:07:29] <_methods> well if all 3 of them are set up as dhcp servers you could have all kinds of networking problems
[08:07:39] * archivist agrees
[08:07:49] <JT-Shop> from the manual you are connecting the D-Link router to another router to use as a wireless access point and/or switch, you will have to do the following before
[08:07:49] <JT-Shop> connecting the router to your network:
[08:07:49] <JT-Shop> •
[08:07:49] <JT-Shop> Disable UPnP
[08:07:49] <JT-Shop> ™
[08:07:51] <JT-Shop> •
[08:07:53] <JT-Shop> Disable DHCP
[08:07:57] <JT-Shop> •
[08:07:59] <JT-Shop> Change the LAN IP address to an available address on your network. The LAN ports on the router cannot accept a DHCP address
[08:08:03] <JT-Shop> from your other router.
[08:08:04] <_methods> yeah
[08:08:08] <_methods> this is correct
[08:09:00] <_methods> so 2 of your routers would need to have the dhcp and upnp disabled if they are acting as AP/switch
[08:09:28] <JT-Shop> yep
[08:10:05] <_methods> well the first thing i would do is ssh from one computer to another to make sure ssh is passing correctly
[08:10:09] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[08:10:18] <_methods> then i would add ssh keys to a computer and connect with the ssh keys
[08:10:38] <_methods> after that i would make sure that is functioning on all computers on the network
[09:52:30] <JT-Shop> finally found my SW serial number in the old registry files... what fun to try and view them
[10:12:33] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/mAmKGLQ.jpg
[10:14:44] <_methods> clothes hangar?
[10:15:12] <_methods> tie rack?
[11:15:40] <zeeshan|2> was someone in here saying vermont brand taps are garbage?
[11:16:21] <roycroft> i think those are the ones i kept breaking
[11:16:31] <roycroft> wait, no
[11:16:35] <roycroft> it was irwin that i was breaking
[11:16:38] <zeeshan|2> ah
[11:16:59] <zeeshan|2> i found some in the size i need
[11:17:02] <roycroft> i tapped 6 4-40 holes yesterday without breaking a single tap, btw
[11:17:04] <zeeshan|2> and they are relativbely cheap for a apack of 10
[11:17:09] <roycroft> they were blind holes, 1/2" deep
[11:17:25] <roycroft> i'd probably have broken 3 irwin taps
[11:18:58] <roycroft> i wish eugene fastener carried 4-40x1/4" ss shcs
[11:19:08] <roycroft> the shortest they carry are 3/8", which is way longer than i need
[11:19:57] <zeeshan|2> :/
[11:20:05] <zeeshan|2> special order them in!
[11:20:25] <roycroft> i suspect i'd have broken fewer taps had i been able to use the shorter screws
[11:20:29] <CaptHindsight> I need to find a distributor of holes preferably tapped
[11:20:31] <roycroft> too late now
[11:20:43] <roycroft> i have 8 more holes to drill/tap, and then i'm done with this project
[11:20:48] <CaptHindsight> I'm tired of all this machining nonsense
[11:20:49] <Rab> roycroft, tried forming taps?
[11:21:00] <roycroft> i'm hand tapping
[11:21:03] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I've got a hole in me pocket.
[11:21:11] <roycroft> i'm not sure that form taps would have helped in this situation
[11:21:17] <roycroft> changing brands definitely helped
[11:21:33] <zeeshan|2> thread forming taps are pretty garbage
[11:21:40] <zeeshan|2> ive been trying to avoid em now
[11:21:56] <zeeshan|2> i need a universal tap
[11:21:58] <Rab> roycroft, I've found much better performance and survival rate hand-tapping 4-40 with roll taps.
[11:22:07] <roycroft> really?
[11:22:11] <zeeshan|2> Rab: until you try it in stainless
[11:22:14] <roycroft> i'd think they would be more prone to breakage
[11:22:25] <Rab> roycroft, why? The cross section is much thicker.
[11:22:32] <roycroft> i have universal taps
[11:22:35] <zeeshan|2> the cutting forces are larger too.
[11:22:39] <roycroft> they're called "boring bars"
[11:22:43] <zeeshan|2> haha roycroft
[11:22:48] <Rab> Strictly speaking, there is no cutting force.
[11:23:05] <roycroft> they require a lot more force though
[11:23:06] <zeeshan|2> okay, strictly speaking there is a much larger plastic deformation force
[11:23:22] <zeeshan|2> theyre only good in soft stuff like aluminum and steel
[11:23:23] <zeeshan|2> mild
[11:23:38] <roycroft> fortunately i'm working with mild steel
[11:23:47] <zeeshan|2> garbage in bronze, garbage in stainles
[11:23:52] <roycroft> i don't think i would even attempt to tap 4-40 holes in ss
[11:23:57] <roycroft> well perhaps in 303
[11:24:01] <Rab> I could see them being problematic in work-hardening metals like stainless.
[11:24:06] <roycroft> but certainly not in 304/316
[11:25:11] <zeeshan|2> i was so pissed the other day when i broke one in bronze
[11:25:17] <zeeshan|2> i had to drill it out
[11:25:35] <zeeshan|2> everything else had been done on the part too :\
[11:25:50] <roycroft> i goobered some jb weld over some messy welds yesterday on my brew stand
[11:26:00] <roycroft> today i'll sand the stand down and then it will be ready for paint
[11:26:02] <Rab> zeeshan|2, you were using prescribed hole dia?
[11:26:09] <zeeshan|2> yes
[11:26:11] <roycroft> this 14+ month project should be done by week's end
[11:26:33] <roycroft> until i start making modifications :)
[11:26:35] <zeeshan|2> you must be excited
[11:26:44] <roycroft> it's a mix of excitement and relief
[11:26:52] <roycroft> and a wee bit of apprehension
[11:27:02] <roycroft> it's time to brew my beer for the oregon country fair like right now
[11:27:11] <roycroft> and i have to let the paint cure for 2 weeks before i can use the system
[11:27:18] <roycroft> so timing is going to be really tight on that
[11:27:35] <roycroft> i might decide to make a beer that will be ready sooner
[11:28:02] <roycroft> i almost brewed the country fair beer last weekend, and then finish the stand, but i was so close to being finished i decided to forge ahead
[11:28:24] <roycroft> plus, every time i brew on that stand while it's unpainted it gets more rust on it
[11:28:32] <roycroft> which means more prep work for praint
[11:28:33] <roycroft> paint
[11:29:19] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[11:29:44] <roycroft> of course, as soon as i'm finished with this project i will start fabricating a milling/weighing stand for my grain
[11:29:52] <roycroft> that should be a fairly quick project though
[11:33:35] <jthornton> upgrading the firmware in the netgear made it smart enough to know it is behind another rounter
[13:22:40] <_methods> hah cool just scored a quantya evo1 electric motorcycle for $990
[13:25:54] <Tom_itx> don't break your neck on it
[13:26:09] <_methods> hehe i have a real dirtbike for that
[13:26:14] <_methods> this is just for ridin to work
[13:26:45] <Tom_itx> ya ya, you'll have it all tricked out in a month
[13:26:51] <_methods> heheh
[13:27:04] <_methods> so much for the air compressor i was supposed to spend that money on
[13:27:16] <Tom_itx> it would have been more useful
[13:27:21] <_methods> yeah
[13:27:41] <Tom_itx> i just assume i have compressed air in the garage now...
[13:27:49] <Tom_itx> not sure how i'd do without it
[13:27:53] <_methods> yeah
[13:28:04] <_methods> i'm gonna sell my 4wheeler and dirt bike
[13:28:16] <_methods> that will pay for compressor and bandsaw
[13:28:49] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, get that 2tb drive formatted yet? or is it still working...
[13:28:58] <Tom_itx> only downside to large drives
[13:34:22] <JT-Shop> I didn't have to format it, I installed windoze on it. Now I'm loading back software and just got SW activated again
[14:04:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you try to reinstall windows on the old hdd with a fix instead of new install?
[14:05:46] <JT-Shop> yes, it just sat there and did nothing
[14:06:06] <Tom_itx> :(
[14:07:09] <JT-Shop> yea, I had to get my SW activation reset so I could run it
[14:07:25] <JT-Shop> now I need to find and install all my software lol
[14:07:35] <Tom_itx> always a pita
[14:08:02] * furrywolf won't use any software that requires activation
[14:09:02] <JT-Shop> you will if you want high end CAD software... unless your using pirate software
[14:09:27] <XXCoder> she owns "using pirate software"?
[14:09:36] <furrywolf> I'd rather use open-source software.
[14:10:38] <furrywolf> if the software were reasonably priced, I might be tempted to consider it, but I haven't seen any reasonably-priced software that wasn't substantially worse than free software.
[14:11:57] <Lowridah> photoshop
[14:12:01] <Lowridah> anything office-related
[14:12:38] <JT-Shop> we must not be talking about 3-d cad software but something else
[14:12:57] <Tom_itx> true
[14:12:58] <furrywolf> photoshop sucks. it's like gimp, but slower, crashier, and every time you want to do something new it costs more money.
[14:13:15] <Tom_itx> i haven't seen "good" cad software that's free yet
[14:14:21] <furrywolf> nor have I, but I haven't looked hard enough.
[14:14:45] <XXCoder> I probably will end up using inkscape then svg->nc
[14:15:09] <XXCoder> inkscape is pretty good but not designed to be cad
[14:15:59] <furrywolf> solidworks is especially overpriced. they're smoking some serious crack if they think I'm going to work 600 hours to buy a piece of software.
[14:16:22] <_methods> you're not really their target market
[14:16:47] <XXCoder> student version isnt too bad, but you're not supposed to sell stuff that was result of models made there.
[14:18:27] <_methods> the closest i've seen to free and good is the inventor startup free license
[14:18:42] <_methods> startup is 1 year free
[14:18:46] <_methods> student is 3 years free
[14:18:56] <XXCoder> solvespace has amazing ponental but that's it.
[14:18:57] <_methods> and you don't need a .edu
[14:19:24] <_methods> i just said i was a student with a gmail acct and i have 3 years of inventor free
[14:19:40] <furrywolf> freecad seemed to have great potential, but is currently too buggy to use.
[14:19:45] <XXCoder> just make new email account each 3 years
[14:19:48] <_methods> yep
[14:19:50] <XXCoder> yeah fur
[14:20:44] <XXCoder> solvespace last update 2 months ago
[14:21:17] <furrywolf> I really wish I had time+energy to spend coding... I have many of the skills needed to write and/or patch cad software...
[14:21:30] * JT-Shop needs a way to carry more water on the mountain bike without wearing the camel back or a back pack
[14:21:55] <furrywolf> I've written software for raytracing, including some CSG stuff, which should translate well to cad software coding skills.
[14:21:56] <XXCoder> fab a bicycle frame water holder
[14:22:02] <furrywolf> JT-Shop: a water bottle?
[14:22:29] <JT-Shop> yea, I have one and only one place to carry it on the 29er
[14:22:39] <XXCoder> freecad last update day ago
[14:23:05] <furrywolf> hang a gallon jug off the back of the seat?
[14:23:08] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: yeah bet you can make something that attaches to bicycle frame and can hold few stuff
[14:23:16] <Tom_itx> acad had some free cad cam for small business students etc but it required 64bit os
[14:23:23] <furrywolf> stick a canteen (of the flat, round, wide variety) in the frame?
[14:23:38] <JT-Shop> the water bottle in in the frame
[14:23:50] <JT-Shop> not a whole lot of room in the frame
[14:23:54] <Tom_itx> mine has 2 bottle holders
[14:24:06] <JT-Shop> I have a bag under the seat but it is small and full
[14:24:07] <Tom_itx> one on the front strut and the other on the bottom one
[14:24:11] <furrywolf> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518f4LzR3hL._SY300_.jpg that style.
[14:24:36] <XXCoder> oh freecad now 0.15. I has 0.13
[14:24:38] <JT-Shop> not much good unless you have a way to fasten it to the bike
[14:24:48] <furrywolf> heh, last time I did any serious cycling, I think we were carrying ~10gals of water.
[14:25:14] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: that is pretty easy part, get pipe fasteners from pumbling
[14:25:31] <XXCoder> make a frame with few holders and build out from that
[14:25:50] <furrywolf> of course, we were six people, and the cycle weighed ~2500lbs, so 10gals was easy....
[14:25:53] <XXCoder> try find lightest materials possible
[14:25:55] <Tom_itx> mine's pretty old but it had bottle brackets mounted
[14:26:36] <Tom_itx> you need more water than that ride it into the swamp
[14:26:51] <XXCoder> hmm get water filters
[14:26:58] <XXCoder> so you just need couple bottles
[14:26:58] <furrywolf> (see
http://kineticgrandchampionship.com/ if you're wondering why you'd be pedalling something weighing 2500lbs)
[14:27:05] <JT-Shop> XXCoder, the frame is not round
[14:27:20] <XXCoder> ah fancy one eh
[14:27:22] <DaViruz> fill the frame!
[14:27:35] <Tom_itx> i don't recall if mine is round or not but it's aluminum
[14:27:59] <XXCoder> Tom_itx:
http://graywolfsurvival.com/3151/prepper-gear-review-sawyer-mini-water-filtration-system/
[14:28:08] <Rab> The frame is already a pipe bomb.
[14:28:25] <JT-Shop> https://www.giant-bicycles.com/_generated/_generated_us/bikes/models/images/2000/2014/Talon_29er_1_v1.jpg
[14:28:49] <XXCoder> you has 2 round pipes, that is enough to build out of
[14:29:39] <JT-Shop> the top one is not round
[14:29:46] <furrywolf> we're not racing this year... we cut one of our machines completely apart after the race last year, with plans to build a new and improved one from the parts, but real-life has been in the way. our other machine we started doing some very major upgrades on, and again, real-life has been preventing getting it back to working condition in time.
[14:29:58] <JT-Shop> see the two screws on the front tube the water bottle goes there
[14:30:05] <Tom_itx> yep
[14:30:18] <Tom_itx> iirc mine is also on the seat post
[14:30:29] <Tom_itx> mounted frontward
[14:30:45] <XXCoder> thats too bad fur
[14:31:59] <furrywolf> so one of them is nothing but a pile of parts, and the other still has four wheels, but no drivetrain, half the suspension needs to be rebuilt, etc...
[14:32:41] <Rab> JT-Shop, considered a seat post rack?
http://www.amazon.com/Delta-Mega-Post-Haste-Bicycle/dp/B000ACAMF6
[14:32:42] <furrywolf> it has four wheels and six pairs of cranks, but nothing connecting the two together. :)
[14:33:15] <JT-Shop> the actual bike
http://ibin.co/1zLu7jxaP85S
[14:33:34] <Rab> I had one for years on my MTB. Cheap, lightweight, stays out of the way, bag & light hang underneath, can hold a couple of gallons easily. Esp in a flat container.
[14:33:43] <JT-Shop> Rab, didn't know they existed, thanks for the link
[14:34:05] <Tom_itx> mine's just dirty from sitting :)
[14:34:11] <Rab> JT-Shop, sure. It's a whole class of product, there are many brands and types. That's just the particular one I had.
[14:35:18] <JT-Shop> yea, if I can hold one extra water bottle for rides up to 12-15 miles that would be better than wearing the camel back and sweating
[14:36:04] <furrywolf> our previous design changed direction twice with hypoid gears, and for various reasons had to gear up then back down, causing excessive drag, so we re-designed to eliminate all that... but re-building takes more time than re-designing. :)
[14:36:14] <JT-Shop> will that clear the tire with the low seat post?
[14:36:15] <Rab> Plus shields against roostertail, which looks like a possible issue with your bicycle use case. ;)
[14:36:54] <JT-Shop> yea, there are several (many) places where you have to cross wet weather streams on the south side
[14:37:15] <Rab> JT-Shop, should hang off the seat stem as well as the post.
[14:37:58] <Rab> The only thing I don't like is that it cantilevers weight over the back tire, but a heavy backpack does that too.
[14:38:59] <JT-Shop> in my case it would just be a water bottle bungeed on
[14:39:36] <Tom_L> JT-Shop,
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/bike.jpg
[14:39:41] <JT-Shop> next time I go to the medium city I'll have to see what the bike shop has
[14:39:42] <Tom_L> large pic.. sry
[14:39:53] <Tom_L> still installing software on this pc
[14:40:12] <Tom_L> you could make a clamp and mount one to the seat post
[14:40:23] <JT-Shop> how large, I've been downloading updates and I'm running short of bandwidth
[14:40:30] <Tom_L> 3g
[14:40:37] <JT-Shop> ouch
[14:40:38] <Tom_L> 3M
[14:40:39] <furrywolf> hose clamps work remarkably well for attaching random things to bicycle tubes
[14:40:39] <Tom_L> sry
[14:40:41] <Tom_L> :)
[14:41:05] <Tom_L> 3g would be a bit overkill..
[14:41:07] * JT-Shop would not use a hose clamp on the Talon...
[14:41:09] <XXCoder> down shaft works too
[14:41:31] <XXCoder> and more flexable mounts for non-round sides
[14:41:43] <Tom_L> there's a catch at the bottom that holds the holder in place and the upper is held by the clamp
[14:41:53] <JT-Shop> I have plenty to think about now... as you saw the bike is in the van and ready to get dirty
[14:42:00] <Rab> There's also such a thing as a clamp-on water bottle cage, many google results.
[14:42:10] <furrywolf> eh, hose clamps work on everything. :P
[14:42:36] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, what's that clamp on the seat post for?
[14:42:44] <JT-Shop> I have a clamp on pouch thing on the handle bar but it's too small for a water bottle
[14:42:57] <JT-Shop> quick adjust seat
[14:43:03] <Tom_L> no, the bottom one
[14:43:06] <Rab> Looks like front derailleur.
[14:43:12] <JT-Shop> yea
[14:43:21] <Tom_L> i have the quick release on wheels and seat as well
[14:44:19] <JT-Shop> gotta run to town... chat with you guys later
[14:44:20] <furrywolf> re that water filter review above, I want reviews that include actual test results, not "let's talk about how great this thing is because the marketing sheet says it is!"...
[14:46:27] <furrywolf> how many gallons did it actually filter before it required excessive effort? what did a qualified independent water testing lab have to say about the resulting water at several points during the filter life? etc.
[14:46:41] <XXCoder> guy said days but then no specific
[14:46:58] <XXCoder> guy might drink 0.1 gallon a day after all
[14:48:03] <furrywolf> and I have a distrust of anything claiming to remove absolutely everything from your water but needing only a squeeze pouch to feed it... my reverse osmosis filter actually does remove most everything, and it takes a 80PSI electric pump to force a drip through it.
[14:48:19] <XXCoder> it dint claim to. it dont filter some chemicals
[14:59:20] <furrywolf> one of these days I want to pick up a hand-pump RO unit... but they're always stupidly expensive. (they also require stupidly large mounts of pumping)
[15:00:14] <furrywolf> being able to turn seawater into drinking water is something most other filters can't do, however.
[15:00:44] <XXCoder> yeah thats tough one
[15:01:04] <XXCoder> I wonder if powerful conferge would be able to seperate
[15:01:14] <furrywolf> conferge?
[15:01:25] <XXCoder> cant spell that word, it spin very fast
[15:01:55] <furrywolf> the closest I can come up to what you must mean is "centrifuge", and no, it can't separate chemicals like that.
[15:02:06] <XXCoder> yeah doubted it
[15:02:20] <t12> man i'm pissed
[15:02:27] <t12> dude at work decided to cancel an alarm on a peice of equipment
[15:02:29] <furrywolf> and I thought my spelling was bad. :)
[15:02:31] <t12> by cutting the lead to the alarm
[15:02:34] <furrywolf> lol
[15:02:37] <t12> i walked in on him doing it
[15:02:41] <t12> and was like dont cut the alarm
[15:02:46] <t12> which he had already done
[15:02:48] <t12> and said nothing
[15:03:20] <XXCoder> crazy
[15:03:23] <XXCoder> what was alarm for?
[15:05:11] <t12> in thise case something of no importance
[15:05:14] <t12> what about the next case
[15:05:54] <furrywolf> suggest to his employer that he's a fucking idiot?
[15:06:14] <t12> i should suggest to his face that hes a fucking idiot
[15:06:45] <t12> equipment is a liconic automation incubator
[15:10:38] <furrywolf> of the bacteria or the chicken variety?
[15:11:18] <t12> bacteria
[15:11:46] <XXCoder> heh no matter how unimportant it is, cutting wire is just stupid
[15:12:04] <XXCoder> music blaring in own car? cut wires on it
[15:12:18] <XXCoder> oh what is "off button" you speak of? lol
[15:12:50] <furrywolf> I lent my car to someone, and he cut the speaker wires to my doors and yanked them out.
[15:12:57] <furrywolf> he needed wire.
[15:12:59] * furrywolf hates people
[15:13:10] <XXCoder> what the fuck?
[15:13:25] <roycroft> you shouldn't have left that engelbert humperdinck 8-track in the player with the volume turned all the way up
[15:14:21] <furrywolf> the fuel pump stopped running. rather than properly troubleshooting the problem (a loose plug), he decided to try hotwiring it to the battery. then I went from having one problem to fix (a loose plug) to having three problems to fix.
[15:20:59] <_methods> oh sweet jesus thank god comcast gave up on the time warner merger
[15:24:33] <XXCoder> comcast time warner mcdonalds
[15:24:37] <XXCoder> heh
[15:27:28] <_methods> i might actually buy some beer to celebrate that
[15:27:46] <XXCoder> yeah buy some comcast mcdonald beer
[15:27:58] <_methods> you mean budweiser
[15:28:11] <XXCoder> oh youre right. comcast budweiser beer
[15:28:22] <_methods> hehe
[15:31:10] <XXCoder> whats weirdest merger you can think of?
[15:32:53] <furrywolf> The NSA and the EFF.
[15:33:14] <XXCoder> lol
[15:33:33] <andypugh> Durex Vatican
[15:33:52] <XXCoder> lol
[15:34:40] <Rab> http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/condoms-filled-with-cocaine-intercepted-on-their-way-to-vatican/
[15:34:49] <_methods> wow
[15:35:03] <_methods> those crazy cardinals
[15:35:46] <XXCoder> guess they gonna find some other way to get protectioon
[15:36:03] <furrywolf> StarKist and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
[15:36:08] <_methods> condoms, drugs, priests...........i'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere
[15:41:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:41:56] <XXCoder> dewalt-mcdonalds
[15:45:13] <furrywolf> that's not that unlikely.
[15:46:48] <furrywolf> dewalt is owned by black and decker, which owns everything from tools to alarm systems to storage to health care equipment to restuarant equipment...
[15:47:09] <XXCoder> oh
[15:47:20] <furrywolf> adding an actual restaurant to it wouldn't be too odd. they already manufacture everything needed to build a restaurant, including the entire building.
[15:47:47] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[15:47:49] <furrywolf> they even make the heart monitor that should be present in fast-food places. :P
[15:47:54] <XXCoder> lol
[15:48:43] <furrywolf> b&d is really fucking huge.
[15:49:04] <XXCoder> wonder if there will be "everything" company
[15:49:08] <XXCoder> from phones to food
[15:50:15] <furrywolf> heh, actually, checking the figures, b&d is large enough they could consider BUYING mcdonalds, not just merging.
[15:50:22] <furrywolf> b&d has double the revenue
[15:50:45] <XXCoder> they probably would have hard time buying subway
[15:51:15] <furrywolf> that gives you an idea of just how bloated b&d is these days... double the revenue of mcdonalds.
[15:51:56] <XXCoder> theres more subways than mcdonalds and starbucks... combined
[15:53:59] <furrywolf> hrmm. I think there's one of them here, crammed in a shopping center, and it's always empty. Why get a crap sandwich when you could get a good one?
[15:54:18] <Rab> XXCoder, cite?
[15:54:24] <furrywolf> even Safeway makes better sandwiches
[15:54:46] <XXCoder> subway is funny. its not as popular as mcdonalds yet they are everywhere. larger mirgins I guess/.
[15:55:01] <furrywolf> according to Forbes, " It is the largest single-restaurant chain globally with 43,000 locations in 107 countries.". I don't know if that makes it larger than the two combined, but it apparantly is the largest.
[15:55:51] <Rab> Starbucks = 21,366 (2014), McDonald's = ~35,000
[15:55:52] <XXCoder> profit wise mcdonalds is first
[15:56:12] <XXCoder> 2011 though
[15:56:20] <XXCoder> http://nrn.com/us-top-100/top-100-chains-us-sales
[15:56:43] <Rab> Subway reportedly surpassed McD in terms of stores in 2010, but I can't find a current figure.
[15:56:44] <furrywolf> I've eaten at subway a couple of times, but never been impressed. usually it's only when I'm stuck driving somewhere and need a quick bite.
[15:57:05] <XXCoder> yeah I suspect its true for everyone
[15:57:09] <XXCoder> nobodys fan of subway
[15:57:16] <XXCoder> yet it succeeds reardless
[15:57:25] <Rab> Rather have Subway than the typical alternatives.
[15:57:37] <roycroft> subway is better than the greasy burger places
[15:58:08] <roycroft> but that's kind of like saying that stinky poop is not as bad as really stinky poop
[15:58:10] <roycroft> it's still poop
[15:58:20] <malcom2073> To each their own, I like greasy burger places
[15:58:49] <Rab> Although big slabs of white bread are known to be less and less healthy, at least you can get a bunch of fresh (ie uncooked) vegetables.
[15:58:59] <malcom2073> Taste in foodis like shit. Everyone has it, but nobody wants someone else to explain why theirs is better :P
[15:59:23] <roycroft> i prefer healthful food
[15:59:39] <Rab> Opinions are like arseholes, best kept hidden.
[15:59:41] <roycroft> and that means preparing most meals at home, and eating out rarely
[16:00:36] <malcom2073> I read through a thing of people complaining about chipolte recently, and it amazed me that there are a significant number of people that really can't hold the idea in their head that someone else can love what they hate
[16:00:55] <furrywolf> eh, I find cooking a healthy meal at home to cost almost as much as letting a restaurant cook one for you
[16:00:56] <roycroft> i've only been to chipotle once
[16:01:07] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I got no prblem with that. people vary a lot,
[16:01:09] <roycroft> it wasn't bad
[16:01:17] <roycroft> it isn't really better than any other fast food place
[16:01:22] <Rab> Chipotle = underwear blood
[16:01:24] <roycroft> although it's hyped as better
[16:01:36] <roycroft> well, it's better than places like taco bell
[16:01:44] <roycroft> but it's still fast food
[16:01:45] <XXCoder> I miss rice junkie
[16:01:57] <XXCoder> amazing food, only 2 locations and hours of drive away
[16:02:08] * furrywolf doesn't like fast food
[16:02:14] <roycroft> it's not a matter of cost, furrywolf
[16:02:21] <roycroft> it's a matter of what i prefer to put in my body
[16:02:31] <malcom2073> I like taco bell too heh
[16:03:43] <XXCoder> portals. LOL
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/4/4/394044.gif?v=1
[16:04:12] <furrywolf> how do you get healthier food at home than at a restaurant? and I mean a real, local restaurant, not a chain or fast-food place.
[16:04:40] <roycroft> by carefully choosing and preparing my ingredients?
[16:04:59] <Rab> Wash your hands, chase off cucarachas, don't jizz in it.
[16:05:08] <XXCoder> that is pretty easy.. with money
[16:05:24] <XXCoder> good ingredients, decent and healthy cooking
[16:05:29] <XXCoder> aka dont deep fry your salad
[16:05:33] <furrywolf> I usually eat healthier when I go out... at home I don't tend to have fresh veggies and such, as they don't keep well.
[16:05:56] <roycroft> you can get fried butter at the iowa state fair
[16:06:17] <XXCoder> later
[16:06:37] * roycroft gardens, and that helps
[16:07:15] <furrywolf> I either need to buy only one veggie, which I get sick of too quickly, or small quantities of a variety, as large quantities will spoil before I can eat them, but small quantities cost more and I'm usually too lazy to want to prepare anything with more than a few ingredients.
[16:07:23] <furrywolf> but if I go out, I can get whatever I want, without those problems.
[16:08:38] <furrywolf> and then there's all the wondefully tastey (and healthy) spices the indian place puts in things... :)
[16:09:08] <roycroft> if you have good, healthful local restaurants and you like them and can afford to go out, that's great
[16:09:13] <roycroft> personally, i love to cook
[16:09:21] <roycroft> it's like therapy after a long day at work
[16:09:29] <furrywolf> affording them is the part I have a problem with. :(
[16:09:38] <furrywolf> and I hate cooking. hate, hate, hate. heh.
[16:09:58] <furrywolf> I usually eat at home, and it's usually something that can be prepared in the microwave and/or eaten raw. lol
[16:16:43] <Tom_itx> you don't mind eating though?
[16:16:48] * unfy looks across the river. yeah, them iowans are weird (re: fried butter)
[16:17:22] * Tom_itx didn't realize he was in the food channel
[16:18:35] * roycroft gets out a whole chicken, a big meat cleaver, and a bottle of red wine
[16:18:59] * roycroft puts on an apron, pours a big glass of wine, guzzles it, pours another, guzzles it, pours a third, and does his best julia child imitation
[16:19:41] <cradek> I'm positive that's how she recorded those shows
[16:19:43] <malcom2073> Cast Iron Chef Millmerica
[16:22:24] <roycroft> the japanese iron chef is by far the best
[16:22:37] <cradek> nobody is better than julia
[16:22:45] <andypugh> cradek: Have you ever seen Keith Floyd? He makes no bones about drinking lots of wine when cooking.
[16:22:51] <roycroft> she was one of a kind, for sure
[16:23:14] <roycroft> although jamie oliver is pretty entertaining, but in a completely different way
[16:23:53] <furrywolf> "I like cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food!"
[16:24:06] <roycroft> the naked chef was a brilliant cooking series
[16:26:48] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdjzDLtiCRc
[16:27:39] * furrywolf demonstrates by getting a store-bought salad bowl out of the fridge
[16:28:32] <_methods> mind of a chef is pretty good too if you've never seen it
[16:28:44] <_methods> its on netflix i believe
[16:31:14] <furrywolf> how do they make an organic salad keep a month, anyway? just fill it with inert gas, or irradiate it?
[16:33:25] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:59] <Lowridah> cyanide is organic, keeps a very long time
[16:38:38] <roycroft> king tut is also organic, and he's kept for a very long time
[16:38:45] <furrywolf> lol
[16:38:54] <furrywolf> no, the egyptians used lots of preservatives.
[16:41:42] <Lowridah> but none of them were GMO
[16:41:56] <Lowridah> so i'm sure he must have lived very very long and been extremely healthy
[16:42:49] * furrywolf isn't sure logic works like that
[17:29:12] <Computer_barf> ok I appear to have gotten my debian system configured to my likeing
[17:29:34] <furrywolf> no system is ever complete.
[17:29:49] <Computer_barf> oh i mean before I start configuring linuxcnc
[17:30:07] <Computer_barf> i just mean basic stuff
[17:30:49] * furrywolf is being overly nonproductive today
[17:31:26] <furrywolf> organizing my music collection... I had everything nicely renamed and sorted, then my drive crashed... and my backup was from shortly before renaming and sorting all of it. bleh.
[17:31:32] <Computer_barf> any of you have a mesa card that runs on ethernet?
[17:31:45] <Computer_barf> lol furrywolf
[17:31:53] <Computer_barf> yeah thats how it goes
[17:31:56] <furrywolf> not I. I want one, but pcw won't send me one. He seems to believe I should send him money first.
[17:32:41] <Computer_barf> well I got the debian rt-prempt linuxcnc image installed
[17:36:05] <Computer_barf> it takes a 5v input, the mesa card, wondering if I can just use the 5v lines from my pc power supply
[17:36:40] <furrywolf> check the manual. I think many of them can regulate the 5v supply from the 24v field supply... but I could be mistaken.
[17:37:27] <furrywolf> ok... I don't get it.
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/axent-wear-cat-ear-headphones-raise-over-770000-in-under-a-week-13-10-2014/ doesn't external speakers kinda defeat the whole point of headphones?
[17:39:57] <Computer_barf> i imagine they can switch modes and can be put around the neck
[17:44:03] * furrywolf is tempted to get a pair just to have an excuse to wear cat ears
[17:44:15] * furrywolf bets this is, in fact, why most people buy them
[17:46:58] <unfy> ugh
[17:47:30] <Computer_barf> I just assumed you were already in a wolf costume
[17:47:58] <furrywolf> no comment
[17:49:46] <Computer_barf> i wonder if the mesa ethernet can be hooked to a router
[17:55:27] <andypugh> Yes. But it might be better not to. But it has been seen to work.
[17:56:04] <Computer_barf> my mobo only has one ethernet is why
[17:56:24] <t12> potential issues would be
[17:56:24] <Computer_barf> for the time being ill probably be swapping them back and forth
[17:56:26] <t12> packet to packet timing
[17:56:29] <t12> potential packet reordering
[17:56:55] <Computer_barf> I can probably live with the swapping routine
[17:58:26] <furrywolf> I'd suggest adding a second ethernet card.
[17:58:45] <furrywolf> Ethernet has a random backoff algorithm for collisions if I remember right, which might be very bad for realtime use...
[17:59:04] <Computer_barf> im currently wiring the drivers to the stepper next ill wire the 7i76e to the drivers
[17:59:26] * furrywolf needs a 7i76e
[17:59:30] <Computer_barf> ill switch the plug till I can pick up a usb ethernet adapter
[17:59:42] <Computer_barf> ill put the internet on that one
[18:00:43] <furrywolf> yes. don't put the mesa on the usb one. :)
[18:01:10] <Computer_barf> put the mesa on the usb ethernet adapter, got it.
[18:01:25] <Computer_barf> jk
[18:02:08] <Computer_barf> so it sounds like ill have to load firmware onto the mesa
[18:03:41] <furrywolf> even better, put the mesa on a wifi bridge so you can move the control system around the shop while still controlling the machine.
[18:03:48] <furrywolf> preferably with a usb wifi adapter
[18:03:53] <Computer_barf> i wonder if there is anyone out there with a g0704 that might have recommendations on what settings/ firmware might be apt
[18:04:41] <Computer_barf> lol I imagine I won't be moving it very far from the controller
[18:05:22] <Computer_barf> with the drivers in the controller enclosure and all
[18:06:27] <Computer_barf> but neat idea for something more important than my little mill
[18:09:34] <furrywolf> ... it was not a serious suggestion. wifi seems like a bad idea for realtime machine control. :)
[18:13:11] <Computer_barf> oh i got that twisted in my head
[18:17:49] <PCW> The 7I76E can run on 8-32VDC
[18:17:50] <Computer_barf> what do you guys think of accupro endmills
[18:18:24] <Computer_barf> the diagram on the manual says 5v...
[18:18:43] <Computer_barf> although i didn't find the specifics beyond what it said on the picture
[18:19:07] <Computer_barf> my power supply is 48 v so ill have to run it off the computer power supply anyway
[18:19:32] <Computer_barf> or are we talking power over ethernet
[18:19:45] <furrywolf> PCW: so, if I get an ethernet mesa board, I can plug it into a wifi bridge, then use the wifi on my laptop with power management to control my dangerous spinny things from anywhere in the room, right? :)
[18:19:46] * furrywolf hides
[18:20:59] <Computer_barf> its ok I'm going to mount the mill above where I sleep at night
[18:21:12] <Computer_barf> ill just reach up and turn it off
[18:21:13] <Computer_barf> no problem
[18:32:06] <Tom_itx> https://irc-source.com/networks/?pg=1
[18:32:08] <Tom_itx> fwiw
[18:45:53] <PCW> furrywolf most likely you would just get watchdog timeouts so and following errors, not like to be terribly dangerous but not very useful either
[18:48:57] <MarkusBec> furrywolf: its like a usb windows realtime extention for simulink ;)
[18:53:28] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/mlist.txt if anyone needs it, my completely undocumented, likely buggy, very single-purpose mp3 renaming script just did about 500 albums with my only needing to fix one bug.
[18:55:52] <furrywolf> oh, and bash stores -0, but doesn't consider it less than 0. have I mentioned how much I hate bash? lol
[18:58:43] <furrywolf> it fixes almost all varieties of idiocy found in downloaded mp3 filenames... everything from using punctuation instead of spaces, to track numbers in stupid places (it'll even find them at the end of the filename instead of the start), to removing group/etc tags, to fuzzy matching filenames with no track numbers to an album track list...
[19:04:48] <furrywolf> it's annoyingly slow because it forks to use a lot of standard utilities for things that could be done with bash builtins if I wasn't fucking rusty with them.
[19:10:07] <SpeedEvil> I tend to cheat, and use awk for everything
[19:10:21] <furrywolf> you might like some of the regex abuse in that script. :)
[19:11:24] <furrywolf> it also has unfinished support for munging filenames to fit on tiny mp3 player displays, such as removing punctuation and spacing, then vowels if it's still too long, etc.
[19:18:52] <furrywolf> my van's head unit only shows the first 11 chars, so if you give it nicely named files where every one has the band first, you can't see what the song is... so it shuffles parts around so the first 10 chars tells you the title. :)
[19:19:53] <furrywolf> it also copies the files in order, because my player doesn't sort filenames in any way, and simply plays them by the directory entry order...
[19:46:32] <furrywolf> unfortunately, those cat ear headphones appear to be yet another crowdfunded product that never actually showed up
[19:47:17] <furrywolf> they wanted $250,000. they got $3,423,606. they shipped 0 headphones.
[19:48:08] <LeelooMinai> Sounds like a good deal to me
[19:48:22] <malcom2073> kickstarter did a statistic, the greater the overshoot, the more the delay
[19:49:12] <malcom2073> But, it was only something like 3% that got funded never actually delieverd, as opposed to those who delievered a year to 2 late (90%? I forget, but it's high)
[19:49:25] <furrywolf> I'm beginning to think such crowdfunding sites should require people to secure a bond for twice their expected funding before being allowed to post, and if they exceed that, their campaign is paused until they secure an additional bond, etc.
[19:49:48] <furrywolf> and their lawyer's contact information should be required.
[19:49:57] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Start a site for that
[19:50:02] <malcom2073> Make a kickstarter to fund it
[19:50:03] <malcom2073> :P
[19:50:30] <furrywolf> lol
[19:51:25] <LeelooMinai> And name the project "An Experiment to Prove that Overfunded Projects do not get Delivered, Ever"
[20:05:48] <andypugh> The whole point of Kickstarter is a way to raise the money to make stuff from the potential buyers. If you need to secure funding first then you might as well make the stuff in advance too, then just sell it
[20:11:07] <andypugh> I subscribed to one Kickstarter with a May 2014 estimate. Still nothing…
[20:16:47] <renesis> furrywolf: investment = risk
[20:16:58] <renesis> startups failing is normal
[20:43:08] <Tecan> https://netpipe.ca/shop
[20:43:21] <Tecan> i could cut you guys a deal on a printed linear axis
[20:44:19] <furrywolf> grrr. my internet is sucking excessively tonight.
[20:44:21] <Tecan> my prices are steep because i really dont feel like selling anything
[20:44:51] <Tecan> radius rulers for 5 dollars
[20:46:35] <jdh> NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
[20:47:11] <Valen> if you have a bond, you don't really need to kickstart it
[20:47:35] <furrywolf> are you selling $0.99 chinese usb sound devices for $15?
[20:48:16] <Valen> no, but I wouldn't mind
[20:48:37] <Valen> I'd rather sell 50 cents worth of cable to people for $10,000 though
[20:49:17] <furrywolf> also, your store sucks. it claims you have items in categories, then you click on the categories and there's fewer or no items.
[20:50:23] <Valen> http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/diamond $10k for an ethernet cable
[20:50:28] <furrywolf> lol
[20:50:42] <Valen> now that's my game
[20:52:01] <furrywolf> I want to sell liquid metal audio cables for ungodly stupidly high prices. just some NaK in clear hoses...
[20:53:01] <roycroft> you probably would have better luck selling your overpriced junk on ebay
[20:53:04] <roycroft> or just toss it in the trash
[20:53:42] <Valen> Tecan: if you are going to use https then get a real cert,
[20:54:23] <Valen> furrywolf: what is this substance you mention?
[20:54:38] <furrywolf> ?
[20:54:40] <Valen> also, its plausible I'd buy such a product, just because it was cool
[20:54:42] <Valen> NaK
[20:54:47] <Valen> sodium potassium?
[20:55:04] <roycroft> AcK
[20:55:36] <Tecan> furrywolf haha yeah like i said i dont really want to sell anything atm so prices are set high
[20:55:37] <furrywolf> yes
[20:55:58] <Tecan> people with bitcoins like to spend them sometimes
[20:56:02] <furrywolf> just get tubing like
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pFHzN5hjL._SL1500_.jpg , fill it with NaK, install appropriate terminations, sell for $20,000 a length...
[20:56:39] <furrywolf> leave country before someone cuts one and burns their house down...
[20:56:41] <Valen> Â NaK is highly reactive with water and may catch fire when exposed to air
[20:56:46] <Valen> ok I won't get that one
[20:56:53] <furrywolf> lol
[20:56:56] <Valen> one of the gallium based ones thanks
[20:57:16] <furrywolf> gallium is absorbed through your skin and nicely toxic iirc...
[20:57:24] <Valen> eh, that I can deal with
[20:57:27] <Valen> don't eat it
[20:57:45] <Valen> its less toxic than mercury, which isn't really that bad
[20:57:57] <Valen> (the organomercury compounds are the real issue)
[20:57:57] <furrywolf> organomercury compounds are no fun
[20:59:01] <furrywolf> I just think you could sell such a product for stupidly ungodly high prices.
[20:59:18] <Valen> its not a terrible idea tbh
[20:59:29] <Valen> I wonder what the conductivity would be
[20:59:52] <Valen> oh, it'd kinda suck in real terms due to the skin effect, but still cool lol
[21:00:05] <furrywolf> who cares? they can't tell the difference between $5000 cables and unbent coathangers.
[21:00:20] <Valen> I'm not disagreeing
[21:01:10] <furrywolf> someone actually did a blind a/b test of that once. they couldn't tell the expensive cables apart from unbent coathangers. :P
[21:04:06] <furrywolf> bah, looks like someone already sells them.
[21:04:17] <Valen> link?
[21:04:53] <furrywolf> "Treble was silky smooth, perhaps a little rounded off but also pleasantly spacious. Reverberation and resonances lingered on longer rather than quickly vanish as they do on some cables." I hate audiophiles.
[21:05:05] <furrywolf> http://www.teoaudio.com/about.php
[21:07:58] <Cromaglious_> I much prefer the sound out of 12awg SJT then 16awg SJT extension cords hacked apart to make speaker cables
[21:08:12] <furrywolf> http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/teoaudio2/liquid.html
[21:08:26] <furrywolf> Review Component Retail: $1,249 PDL interconnects, $9,995 SPDL speaker cables
[21:08:41] <Cromaglious_> anything over 3000' I'd rather run a 900mhz remote then run 12awg SJT all the way
[21:08:58] <Valen> if you don't take some snips to them how do you know they are actually liquid metal
[21:09:04] <Valen> not .25c chinese copper
[21:09:46] <Cromaglious_> though my longest speaker line was 2800'
[21:10:37] * furrywolf notes that 3000ft of 12/3 sjt is cheaper than 3ft of many premium speaker cables. :P
[21:10:37] <furrywolf> also, sjt? eww. use soow. :P
[21:11:02] <Valen> 3000ft? people run speaker cables that far?
[21:11:08] <Cromaglious_> running EV 100W 70v first speaker was at 1500' and 8 speakers in the run.
[21:11:09] <Valen> i mean in the modern day
[21:11:45] <Valen> thats almost a kilometer in real measurements ;-P
[21:12:02] <Cromaglious_> Valen Airshows... Sacramento was a 4500' speaker line, Hillsborogh was a 5600' speaker line
[21:12:50] <furrywolf> what, the airport objects to a few watts of off-the-shelf audio transmitter?
[21:12:58] <Cromaglious_> running 700w to 1000w channel 70v amps
[21:12:59] <Valen> I bet you hope there are no lightning strikes anywhere at all near you lol
[21:13:31] <Cromaglious_> oh I'm well grounded
[21:14:11] <Cromaglious_> The costco 1000w inverter gensets for the sissor lift speaker stacks running 900mhz remotes
[21:15:14] <furrywolf> the costco ones they have a big mound behind the store because they have a stupidly high return rate? :)
[21:15:22] <furrywolf> yellow... champion I think.
[21:15:26] <Cromaglious_> 6 hours at show volume. so fill up in the morning, fillup at 1/2way, at sundown, fillup the next morning,
[21:15:46] <Cromaglious_> no the red ones with the yamaha engines
[21:16:00] <furrywolf> they stopped with the yellow ones and got some orange ones, which seem marginally more reliable... now the stack of them fits on a paller.
[21:16:02] <Cromaglious_> inverter, not the champion pieces of crap
[21:16:02] <furrywolf> pallet
[21:16:27] <furrywolf> yes, these are inverter ones. but I don't think they have any name-brand components.
[21:16:32] <Cromaglious_> oops kawasaki not yamahoppers
[21:17:04] <Cromaglious_> well it was years ago... 2007 or 8
[21:17:38] <furrywolf> http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/12/127d26d7-defc-46d5-8e1e-9816196a65f4_300.jpg do not buy. ~100% return rate.
[21:18:04] <furrywolf> at least I saw just as many of them in the pile out back as in receiving. lol
[21:18:49] <furrywolf> I have a honda eu3000is... I like it. I had two, but one got stolen. :(
[21:19:26] <furrywolf> http://www.costco.com/Smarter-Tools-2000-watt-Parallel-Capable-Inverter-Generator-with-Yamaha%C2%AE-Engine.product.100121916.html those are what they have now... much smaller stack, but they still manage to fill pallets.
[21:20:27] <furrywolf> then again, the primary purchaser of generators here is growers who want to run lights 16 hours a day out in the woods...
[21:21:32] <furrywolf> that reminds me, I need to summerize my generator.
[21:25:31] <Cromaglious_> “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”-Alexis de Tocqueville
[21:25:34] <Cromaglious_> "We're screwed." -Me
[21:26:37] <Cromaglious_> boss has a honda eu6500i NICE!!!!!
[21:27:02] <Cromaglious_> 8 hours at 3/4 load easy!
[21:27:51] <furrywolf> I have the parallel cable to connect two eu3000is generators together... too bad I now only have one generator.
[21:28:04] <Cromaglious_> I have a DP-7100 (5800W) 240v diesel quiet power generator myself
[21:28:37] <furrywolf> I lent it to a friend of my landlord. his garage got broken into, and among other things, his bmw and my generator got stolen. they probably used the bmw to steal the generator. cops found the bmw, but no generator.
[21:29:19] <Cromaglious_> yeah I need to chain my genset to something in the concrete
[21:29:45] <furrywolf> then said friend of my landlord got into a domestic dispute, allegedly kidnapped the whore he was screwing (and giving drugs to), led the cops on a chase (in the bmw they just returned to him), and now is in jail for a very long time. so I can't even beat the cost of a generator out of him.
[21:30:25] <Cromaglious_> I also have a cheap gas 2cycle 1000w non-inverter that works great. Takes a bit of time to spin up my skil mag-77 worm drive and runs it at 80% speed... but it works
[21:31:24] <furrywolf> I have a non-inveter 2200W honda and a 24V 100A DC diesel genset.
[21:31:25] <Cromaglious_> it runs 6 hours on abuot 3/4 gallon good for charging phones and cordless batteries.
[21:32:10] <Cromaglious_> I also have a 2000w mid '70s generator and a craftsman 4kw B&S motor genset in the side yard
[21:32:38] <Cromaglious_> the 4kw fell out of the truck and broke the motor mounts
[21:32:58] <furrywolf> the diesel is military surplus... a 5hp yanmar diesel engine with a 24V marine alternator bolted to it.
[21:33:00] <Cromaglious_> 9 years ago and I still haven't fixed it
[21:33:31] <Cromaglious_> nice, just got to find a 24cv inverter to get 120/240 off of it
[21:33:56] <furrywolf> my welder has a 6000W 120/240 output, but it makes such a fucking racket and uses so much gas you'd never want to use it as a generator.
[21:34:24] <furrywolf> I have an off-grid solar system, with a 24V main battery bank. I not only have a 24V inverter, but it's powering my house at this very moment.
[21:34:24] <Cromaglious_> it's meant to run the grinders while yout welding
[21:34:53] <Cromaglious_> lincoln or miller?
[21:35:37] <furrywolf> perhaps with the factory exhaust it wasn't too bad... but with the mufflers on it now, you can't be within 100ft of it without hearing protection. when you're not welding, you kick it down to idle so you can hear...
[21:35:38] <Cromaglious_> I wish I had grabbed my granddads old 1956 Lincoln welder on the trailer
[21:36:05] <Cromaglious_> nice flathead still ran like a top when my dad sold it RUNNING!
[21:36:06] <furrywolf> lincoln
[21:37:05] <furrywolf> http://cm-enterprises.com/WELDIN13.jpg one of those. old.
[21:38:05] <Cromaglious_> bah that's NEW!
[21:38:09] <furrywolf> I got it cheap because it had a broken slipring. fixed the slipring, and found out it has a blown diode. replaced the diode, and.... it sucks. I'm not sure what's wrong. it seems to work great 99.9% of the time, but every 3-10 seconds the output glitches just long enough to kill the arc and royally piss you off.
[21:38:42] <Cromaglious_> throttle solenoid or the SCR powering the solenoid?
[21:38:50] <furrywolf> I can't find any bad connections, slip rings are running true, everything LOOKS good...
[21:39:00] <furrywolf> no, it's not throttle-related. it's a glitch for ~1 cycle.
[21:39:04] <furrywolf> electrical
[21:39:20] <Cromaglious_> brush?
[21:39:25] <t12> thermal cycling in some power semiconductor?
[21:39:27] <Cromaglious_> oh slipring..
[21:39:31] <furrywolf> it's glitching for a tiny fraction of a second, just long enough to extinguish the arc
[21:39:45] <furrywolf> it does it even in AC mode, which doesn't have any power semis involved.
[21:39:57] <furrywolf> brushes and sliprings look good, no excessive arcing
[21:40:19] <furrywolf> it started doing it about a minute after I replaced the diode... it welded FUCKING GREAT for that minute.
[21:40:37] <Cromaglious_> hmmm try a bigger diode?
[21:40:54] <furrywolf> in AC mode the diodes aren't used, and it glitches still
[21:41:07] <t12> any coorelated generator sound
[21:41:16] <furrywolf> I even disconnected the diodes to make sure it wasn't one randomly shorting
[21:41:27] <Cromaglious_> that sounds like a mechanical connector that might be thermal.. does it do it not welding
[21:41:30] <furrywolf> occasionally it'll glitch for longer, and the engine unloads
[21:41:55] <t12> arcing in generator coil?
[21:42:10] <Cromaglious_> time constant? do you get longer time on smaller rod?
[21:42:21] <Cromaglious_> lower amperage?
[21:42:37] <furrywolf> I spent a full day about a box of rods trying to find the problem. my 'scope was useless... the voltage and current involved is so noisy that you can't spot a glitch as different from the normal arc
[21:42:57] <furrywolf> it glitches less at a full power, more at very low power
[21:43:07] <furrywolf> power is a tap switch, no electronics
[21:43:13] <Cromaglious_> now that's weird
[21:43:39] <furrywolf> it's not temperature related... it'll do it as soon as you turn it on, and won't get worse or better no matter how much you try welding.
[21:44:02] <Cromaglious_> it's just power related
[21:44:08] <furrywolf> it does it on both CC and CV, which don't share a lot of parts...
[21:44:27] <Cromaglious_> that sounds more like it's in the amature
[21:44:30] <furrywolf> I'm leaning towards a cracked or shorting winding somewhere
[21:44:47] <Cromaglious_> start ohming out windings
[21:44:59] <furrywolf> guess what? when it's off, they're all perfect. :P
[21:45:34] <furrywolf> what I didn't do, that I've been meaning to do and haven't had the chance, is stick my 'scope on the 120V output, load it up, and see if there's any glitches in it.
[21:45:58] <furrywolf> if the 120/240 is glitching too, that puts it in the rotor, as the mains and welding stator windings are completely isolated.
[21:46:06] <Cromaglious_> thinking higher RPMS at lighter loads might make it more of a centrifical force issue
[21:46:28] <furrywolf> the governor works very well. no load to full load is less than 50 rpm.
[21:48:22] <furrywolf> I had to set the governor, and it regulates quite precisely.
[21:48:26] <Cromaglious_> 50rpm just might be enough
[21:49:13] <Cromaglious_> try setting the gov a little bit lower
[21:49:43] <furrywolf> next project is watching the AC output.
[21:49:46] <Cromaglious_> it might be a harmonic which will short something to something else
[21:49:50] <furrywolf> but, it's on loan to someone, and it's a bitch to move.
[21:50:24] <Cromaglious_> welding in 50 second strands?
[21:51:07] <furrywolf> that's not what I meant. The first time I powered it up and tested it, after replacing the diode, it welded perfectly for about a minute, then started glitching. the glitching never went away, and it does it immediately when turned on.
[21:51:51] <furrywolf> might have been a couple minutes
[21:52:50] <furrywolf> before that I hadn't ran it other than brief tests, as first it had a missing slipring, and then when I fixed the slipring and got output, I found it had a shorted diode... it'd run the governor up to full throttle and output 8V. didn't work too well. :)
[21:54:21] <Cromaglious_> hmm would a 120w CO2 laser cut steel?
[21:54:30] <furrywolf> the diode started out open, and it was working well in AC mode for a couple quick tests. I then switched it to DC motor, found low voltage, tried welding, then the diode shorted and stayed that way. I suspect it'd been bad for a while, but they were using it for AC, and didn't notice since it was open...
[21:54:41] <furrywolf> s/dc motor/dc output
[21:55:17] <furrywolf> nice big diodes. had to find a 1+1/4" wrench to change them. :)
[21:58:45] <Valen> Cromaglious_: probably not
[21:59:08] <Valen> perhaps shim or something though?
[21:59:14] <Valen> air assisted cutting perhaps?
[22:00:38] <Cromaglious_> I'm seeing 150w cutting steel on youtube
[22:00:46] <Cromaglious_> and ne 130w
[22:00:57] <Cromaglious_> s/ ne / one /
[22:01:30] <furrywolf> I need to build a plasma table one of these days. Before that, I need to make my plasma cutter work...
[22:02:37] <Cromaglious_> wow 150w are around $2k
[22:02:40] <furrywolf> I have a plasma cutter that should do a clean 1/2" cut and a passable 5/8"...
[22:04:23] <Cromaglious_> hmm US made, shipped $10K
[22:08:07] <zeeshan|2> anyone use mastercam?
[22:16:27] <Tecan> 100 watt plasma can do 1 1/2 inch plate iirc
[22:17:30] <furrywolf> mine's 55A I think... don't remember. lol
[22:17:44] <Tecan> 50 amp you can do 1/2"
[22:17:59] <Tecan> sever cut with a cnc
[22:18:39] <Tecan> 3/4 - 1 "probably doable at slower speeds
[22:18:53] <Tecan> not sure on that one though
[22:19:23] <furrywolf> you can cut anything if you don't mind it spraying all over and ruining nozzles. lol
[22:19:54] <Tecan> 2" to 2 1/2" i use a toch heat up a loonie size red spot punch it then start the cut
[22:20:26] <Tecan> its actually not too bad
[22:20:40] <Tecan> even the super hard stuff
[22:21:55] <furrywolf> I've never seen mine work... bought it used and needing gun parts, haven't had time and money to fix it.
[22:23:39] <Cromaglious_> Haven't had the money or real need to get a plasma cutter
[22:24:16] <Cromaglious_> What I need is a steel cutting mill or engraver
[22:25:11] <furrywolf> what I need is time, money, and energy. lately I'm short all three.
[22:25:12] <Cromaglious_> ok I lied, I need a AL cutting mill or engraver and would be really chuffed to get one that could do steel
[22:26:22] <furrywolf> craigslist?
[22:28:21] <Cromaglious_> money
[22:29:05] * furrywolf knows that problem too well
[22:29:24] <furrywolf> my machine needs a vise, collets, a 7i76e, an enclosure, and time...
[22:29:56] <Tom_itx> mine needs to be put back together
[22:32:06] <zeeshan|2> i need a new cnc lathe
[22:32:18] <zeeshan|2> furry what kind of collets do you need
[22:32:56] <furrywolf> I'm thinking an er25 set and a mt3 er25 chuck
[22:33:58] <furrywolf> like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191461204587 and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280747744891
[22:34:02] <furrywolf> just need to have spare money
[22:34:06] <Cromaglious_> what size shaft would good for a ER25? 12mm
[22:35:22] <furrywolf> my mill/lathe combo isn't particularly rigid... no need for really large collets.
[22:35:22] <Cromaglious_> been looking at a rc helicopter 8mm shaft 3ph dc brushless motor driving a 12mm spindle shaft
[22:36:02] <furrywolf> keep in mind the ratings on r/c parts are often imaginary, and "the battery will go dead before it really overheats" at best.
[22:36:57] <t12> been thinking about getting a weiss lathe
[22:37:05] <t12> unsure what to expect
[22:37:06] <Cromaglious_> with a 1:5 belt reduction a 24K motor would turn the shaft at 4800 rpm
[22:37:52] <zeeshan|2> t12
[22:37:53] <zeeshan|2> which one
[22:37:59] <t12> http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM-1127-VF.html
[22:38:04] <Cromaglious_> no battery, thinking a/c switching supply at like 60amp at 12v
[22:38:12] <zeeshan|2> dont do it!
[22:38:16] <zeeshan|2> buy an old cnc lathe!!
[22:38:23] <zeeshan|2> dont make the same mistake as me :P
[22:38:25] <t12> i have alot of physical space/weight limits
[22:38:25] <t12> haha
[22:38:29] <t12> did you buy the same one
[22:38:35] <zeeshan|2> i have a similar chinese lathe
[22:38:36] <zeeshan|2> 12x36
[22:38:41] <zeeshan|2> that i converted to cnc
[22:38:45] <t12> do you hate it
[22:38:47] <zeeshan|2> its the biggest piece of shit
[22:38:47] <furrywolf> Cromaglious_: again, a lot of r/c stuff depends on low duty cycle to avoid melting down.
[22:38:57] <Cromaglious_> I have a 1945 Sheldon 10" with 26 between centers
[22:39:00] <zeeshan|2> i can only say that cause i have a cnc mill that i retrofitted
[22:39:02] <t12> which make, whats shitty about it
[22:39:04] <zeeshan|2> and its like 2193128093218 better
[22:39:09] <furrywolf> if you run it off a real power supply rather than a few minutes at a time off a battery, it'll die in about ten minutes.
[22:39:10] <zeeshan|2> busybee, made in taiwan
[22:39:14] <zeeshan|2> you cant take serious cuts with it
[22:39:20] <zeeshan|2> you dont have a proper tool changer
[22:39:27] <zeeshan|2> backlash issues with linearmotionbearings crap
[22:39:32] <zeeshan|2> no positional feedback
[22:39:45] <zeeshan|2> cant hold big parts without shaking the whole lathe
[22:39:46] <t12> what about for non-cnc general use
[22:40:00] <zeeshan|2> its pretty good for that
[22:40:02] <t12> which model?
[22:40:12] <zeeshan|2> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/lathe-12in-x-36in-2hp-gear-head-craftex-cx.html
[22:40:14] <furrywolf> that is one nice thing about my shoptask... it may be chinese, but it does weigh 600lbs.
[22:40:36] <zeeshan|2> to give you an idea of weight compariosn vs made in usa lathe
[22:40:43] <zeeshan|2> youre looking at 1000lb for this lathe vs 4000lb for made in usa
[22:40:48] <zeeshan|2> (like a monarch)
[22:40:53] <t12> yeah
[22:40:55] <zeeshan|2> and vs cnc youre looking at 6000lb
[22:40:57] <t12> i mean i'd love a 4000 lb lathe
[22:41:04] <furrywolf> my sherline lathe weighs 15lbs. :P
[22:41:04] <t12> but i dont have a loading dock or a fork lift or a giant concrete pad
[22:41:11] <zeeshan|2> haha furrywolf
[22:41:23] <furrywolf> the mill is 25lbs or something
[22:41:30] <zeeshan|2> t12: i guess it depends on what you do with your lathe
[22:41:31] <t12> i dont care so much about cut capacity
[22:41:35] <t12> as just holding tolerances
[22:41:36] <zeeshan|2> for me, i get frustrated so much when i use it
[22:41:44] <zeeshan|2> it holds 1 thou in X
[22:41:46] <zeeshan|2> and 3 thou in Z
[22:41:55] <t12> and being adjustable enough to keep holding them
[22:41:55] <zeeshan|2> but that is on a good day :-)
[22:42:08] <furrywolf> I'm sure you could use your lathe to make objects that relieve frustration...
[22:42:24] * furrywolf figures everyone with a lathe makes at least one stainless dildo
[22:42:28] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4HDvJstsU
[22:42:32] <zeeshan|2> this is me parting steel in it
[22:44:10] <zeeshan|2> i love the chip breaker on those inserts
[22:44:35] <t12> that isnt bad
[22:44:55] <furrywolf> I need a parting tool... have neither tool nor holder for my shoptask.
[22:45:08] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: it took me a while to buy it.
[22:45:18] <zeeshan|2> people want 150$ for the holder
[22:45:20] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:45:26] <zeeshan|2> i finally bit the bullet and ordered from china
[22:45:32] <zeeshan|2> still cost like 80$ for the block + blade
[22:45:40] <zeeshan|2> + 40 for insert pack of 10
[22:45:52] <zeeshan|2> thats a big expensive in my books for a lathe tool :p
[22:45:56] <zeeshan|2> *bit
[22:46:10] <t12> lol at ow ow hot chip hot chip
[22:46:19] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[22:46:24] <zeeshan|2> damn steel
[22:46:54] <furrywolf> what did your expert say about carbide circular saw blades?
[22:47:01] <zeeshan|2> he was useless
[22:47:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:47:10] <furrywolf> lol
[22:47:27] <t12> i guess i could go old southbend or something
[22:47:34] <t12> that seems like its just as big a pita
[22:47:38] <zeeshan|2> I was looking at a cold sawing process and am confused on how the blades are surviving. They typically advertise that they can cut at speeds of ~5000-8000sfm (1500m/min - 2500m/min) and get 1800" (46m) in 1/4" thick steel flat bar. The blades are typically have carbide teeth with a slightly positive rake. How do the carbide teeth survive this sort of cutting condition? I would think the cutting ed
[22:47:49] <zeeshan|2> reply: Yes, the speeds are too high (by a factor of 10) ... you might want to check the recommended cutting conditions.
[22:47:57] <zeeshan|2> i dont think that answered my q
[22:47:58] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:48:21] <zeeshan|2> t12 careful with older lathes
[22:48:29] <zeeshan|2> a lot of them dont go to high speeds
[22:48:31] <furrywolf> yes, that is rather useless.
[22:49:21] <t12> yeah my envelope limits it alot
[22:49:26] <t12> i'm more worried with old lathe about
[22:49:36] <t12> spending 20394 years recondotining it until it behaves
[22:49:58] <zeeshan|2> theres really not much to a lathe though
[22:50:20] <zeeshan|2> my understanding is if the lathe ways are worn
[22:50:25] <zeeshan|2> that just means your tool height changes
[22:50:43] <furrywolf> no, it means you have slop on one side and it jams on the other side.
[22:50:48] <zeeshan|2> causing geometric issues
[22:50:50] <furrywolf> because they never wear evenly
[22:50:56] <zeeshan|2> but when youre machining manually, you can adjust
[22:51:10] <furrywolf> so if you tighten the gibs enough to make it not chatter on the loose spots, then it jams on the tight spots.
[22:51:26] <zeeshan|2> i dont have gibs on the main ways
[22:51:31] <zeeshan|2> just on X
[22:54:11] <Cromaglious_> 1945ish Sheldon BMWQ 44" LWQ7323 1-3/4" 8tpi
[22:55:24] <Cromaglious_> I think my taper in the headstock is a ASSE 4.5 taper (Morse 4.5)
[22:57:15] <t12> ahh yea looks like busy bee is also weiss?
[22:57:23] <t12> the secret chinese branding empire
[22:57:26] <zeeshan|2> i think theyre all made in the same area
[22:57:27] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:57:38] <t12> hows the various fit and slop
[22:57:42] <t12> besides backlash
[22:57:51] <zeeshan|2> for a manual lathe it is perfect
[22:58:24] <furrywolf> even that chinese lathe is quite a bit better than anything I own, or expect to own any time soon.
[23:00:47] <t12> alot of it is just to get alot of time in and being able to do stuff at home
[23:00:53] <t12> tired of using other peoples lathes that are fucked up
[23:01:01] <t12> and then i dont have the time or authority to fix them
[23:01:14] <zeeshan|2> having your own tools is the best!
[23:01:34] <t12> i'm kinda accepting that its going to take way too many years of sinking time into hobby shop
[23:01:43] <t12> but its not like i'm trying to make a money or meet a budget or something
