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[00:00:26] <LeelooMinai> btw, I already sent my solar project monitor board to fab:
http://i.imgur.com/OCg8ADK.png
[00:00:45] <LeelooMinai> It has rs-485 too and 1-wire - for sensors
[00:00:57] <furrywolf> that's 22.8 megaBYTES/second.
[00:01:31] <furrywolf> at home, I get about 22 kilobytes/second.
[00:03:10] <LeelooMinai> I usually have abut 30Mbps - kind of normal-ish nowadays
[00:03:20] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:03:57] <furrywolf> that's a gigabyte in 40 seconds... takes all day here. heh.
[00:03:58] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:06:44] <renesis> w00t
[00:06:56] <renesis> hot smps resistor melted the plastic RF shield onto it
[00:07:03] <renesis> and ewas shorting it out through conductive paint
[00:07:37] <renesis> so not even low enough to burn the conductive helix of resistance material on the resistor, just the outer coat came off
[00:19:49] <Cromaglious_> hmm my machine was locked up... dunno when it happened..
[00:27:24] <Cromaglious_> sulu's birthday today
[00:27:32] <Cromaglious_> George is 78 today
[00:31:29] <renesis> i really like that guy
[00:32:33] <renesis> when i was a kid i got a lo pan headshot signed by him, no idea where that went
[00:33:08] <renesis> hehe, all like FIND ME THE GIRL WITH THE GREEN EYES!! [autograph]
[00:33:41] <renesis> hope he outlives that fucker kirk
[00:35:54] <Cromaglious_> George is number 1 in our book
[00:43:19] <Cromaglious_> hmm gotta engrave some signs tomorrow. gotta find the wood tomorrow morning.
[00:50:34] <Cromaglious_> 3 signs:
[00:50:53] <Cromaglious_> Cupboard under the stairs in 4 Privet Drive, Little Whinging,Surrey; Dromio of Ephesus; Dromio of Syracuse
[02:12:54] <Deejay> moin
[03:07:34] <t4nk905> i want join #emc but got redirected to this channel, how can i join #emc
[03:52:09] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lm8k9
[03:52:13] <zeeshan> progress on the clutch pedal
[05:06:29] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, lookin good
[05:06:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:10:23] <archivist> partial toy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITUTOYO-AE122-CO-ORDINATE-MEASURING-MACHINE-NO-PROBE-AND-READOUT-/121621224760
[08:29:02] <pcw_home> Jusr add a probe and linuxcnc (wonder if it still working scales)
[08:32:20] <pcw_home> still _has_ working scale
[08:43:13] <archivist> contemplating adding linuxcnc to my citizen homebrew measuring machine
[08:55:45] <_methods> linuxcmm
[08:57:01] <archivist> need to control a camera though as most of my measuring is non contact
[09:29:54] <lair82> Good Morning Guys, using my MPG handwheel, I notice that the x and y are backwards in relation to the direction of spinning the handle. Would the INVERT component be my best bet for fixing that?
[09:30:09] <lair82> The Z is correct,
[09:30:33] <cradek> it's very hard to see how you would get that
[09:30:39] <pcw_home> or swap the A/B wires
[09:30:39] <cradek> how's it hooked up in hal?
[09:30:57] <cradek> pcw_home: but Z is right
[09:31:21] <lair82> Yes, my z is right, ax and y are backwards
[09:31:25] <pcw_home> what are the MPGs wired to?
[09:31:35] <cradek> lair82: what is the actual behavior you see?
[09:32:02] <archivist> separate hand wheels for all axes?
[09:32:32] <cradek> ok now I'll stop asking questions and wait for answers :-)
[09:33:29] <lair82> It is wired to a 7i73. when turning the mpg clockwise, x is going left -positive- , y comes out -positive- , z goes up -positive-. Only one mpg, with a selector between the axes
[09:34:09] <cradek> that is the correct behavior
[09:34:12] <lair82> I want clockwise z pos, x neg, y neg.
[09:34:21] <cradek> nope, you don't :-)
[09:34:56] <lair82> It doesn't feel right, turning it one way and the axis is going the opposite.
[09:36:00] <lair82> I guess I have never paid attention when working on the other machines as to which way things are moving using the handwheels on those machines.
[09:39:32] <lair82> Just went out and looked, and I guess I am the crazy one, they do all go positive when rotated clockwise. Never mind me, just doesn't feel natural.
[09:40:24] <cradek> maybe it'll make you feel better if I share a little secret
[09:40:49] <lair82> ???
[09:40:56] <cradek> on my front-tool lathe I inverted the direction of X's wheel so it feels like a manual lathe
[09:41:10] <cradek> even though that makes it backward cnc-wise
[09:41:52] <cradek> (also scaled it by half for X so the detents are diameters)
[09:42:40] <cradek> I really suspect this is the main reason why cnc lathes tend to have the tools in the back/top
[09:42:47] <cradek> it makes the arcs feel more right, too
[09:42:58] <lair82> I guess I'm not nuts then :) but, I better leave it alone though, 4 other machining centers all lined up next to my Linux machine, don't need any body to crash a machine.
[09:43:45] <cradek> yeah, better let it conform to expectations
[09:43:56] <cradek> I'm the only one who uses my machines
[09:43:56] <lair82> That is true, thats why I asked in the first place, all three turning centers I have converted over to Linuxcnc all move in the same direction related to the handwheel movement.
[09:44:46] <lair82> Any way thanks guys, guess I will go back to tuning drives.
[09:45:51] <lair82> Also, zero noise/oscillation since I moved that jumper on my 7i49 yesterday, Thanks pcw_home
[09:46:39] <pcw_home> yeah if you overload the 7I49 input your position gets all lumpy
[09:47:01] <pcw_home> 4 bumps per turn
[09:48:07] <pcw_home> If I was a bit smarter I would have AGC, but its manual for now
[10:00:19] <lair82> AGC ??
[10:00:54] <archivist> in my day that was automatic gain control
[10:34:49] <dirty_d> hrrm, need to mount this
http://i.imgur.com/hEObEl1.jpg on here
http://i.imgur.com/lckqPXQ.jpg
[10:35:03] <dirty_d> blue circle will be a hole
[10:35:20] <dirty_d> the cast aluminum seems like its only about 0.125" thick
[10:35:31] <dirty_d> jbweld?
[10:49:21] <archivist> or make a new casting
[10:52:19] <dirty_d> too much work
[10:53:06] <dirty_d> only get a few hours a week to work on this stuff
[10:53:15] <dirty_d> and summer is quickly approaching
[10:54:37] <dirty_d> didnt plan on threading the holes, guess I'll have to if i mount it like that though
[10:55:04] <dirty_d> holes are about 0.207" I guess thats close enough for an M6 thread
[10:59:15] <dirty_d> actually 1/4-28 would be better
[11:02:39] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/8AkANOH.jpg
[11:03:11] <Tecan> not mine figured ide share tho
[11:03:39] <_methods> that's going to be a nice table
[11:04:05] <dirty_d> hefty
[11:14:04] <Cromaglious_> Looks like my dads work bench at the Morro Bay house
[11:16:59] <Cromaglious_> he made 3/8-16 nuts 2.5" in diameter with to holes in the face for turning with a pin wrench using 3/8-16 all thread. there is one every 18" set into a hole cut with a Forstner bit
[11:47:01] <zeeshan> tecan that looks nice man
[11:47:13] <zeeshan> are you going to hand plane it in the end?
[11:47:55] <Tecan> that or you could plane it beforehand and line up the flat sides on one side
[11:48:04] <Tecan> then belt sand
[11:48:23] <Tecan> glue to fill the cracks and laminate it ?
[11:48:36] <Tecan> keep the sap from smelling
[11:49:12] <Tecan> put 2 caps over the ends to
[11:49:14] <Tecan> o
[11:49:26] <zeeshan> its going to look nice :)
[11:49:45] <zeeshan> i bet you can put 4000lb of stuff on it
[11:49:47] <zeeshan> before it creeks
[11:49:48] <zeeshan> :)
[11:50:37] <Tecan> i havnt built one yet, just seen a guy from #lmms posted it
[11:50:43] <zeeshan> ah
[11:50:49] <zeeshan> its a nice design
[11:50:55] <Tecan> probably will in a couple months when i start the addition on a trailer
[11:51:21] <Tecan> build a little workshop, work 5 years pay everything off then build a shop
[12:28:15] <Loetmichel> hmm, after four weeks and the update service annoying me for the last few days... it was time to reboot the win7 here ;-)
[12:57:47] <skunkworks> wow - that is pretty simple..
http://www.instructables.com/id/Zeroing-a-CNC-with-a-USB-Microscope/
[13:03:33] <Deejay> namd
[13:10:12] <JT-Shop> I need that on my plasma
[13:24:05] <_methods> laser beam lol
[13:24:10] <_methods> pew pew
[13:29:22] <Tom_itx> do you mount the camera like a tool?
[13:32:02] <_methods> on a shapeoko lol
[13:32:31] <_methods> not even the tool is mounted like a tool lol
[13:32:56] <_methods> the clamping..........
[13:33:16] <_methods> he must have had zeeshan helping
[13:35:51] <Tom_itx> no doubt!
[13:35:56] <_methods> hehe
[13:52:09] <_methods> ugh i have to relearn how to sharpen drill bits
[13:52:11] * JT-Shop goes to wander around the yard and look for the mower blade that fell off
[13:52:27] <JT-Shop> I still want to try on my surface grinder
[13:52:28] <_methods> i'm so used to just throwing bits in the carbide bin or resharpen bin lol
[13:52:45] <_methods> now doing stuff in the garage i have to use HSS
[13:52:47] <_methods> and it sux
[13:52:53] <XXCoder> your dull bin is heavier than your cnc machine now? ;)
[13:53:01] <_methods> no at work
[13:53:05] <XXCoder> lol
[13:53:10] <_methods> at home i'm stuck with HSS
[13:53:23] <_methods> i haven't resharpened a bit since school lol
[13:56:00] <_methods> heh i think i have a drill point gauge floating around somewhere
[13:56:58] <XXCoder> lol
[14:39:01] <JT-Shop> I wonder how a blade can just disappear after falling off the rider...
[14:49:36] <lair82> JT-Shop, if you cut the grass like I do, at a very high rate of fuel consumption, anything is possible.
[14:49:58] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: its probably embedded in your car
[14:50:28] <lair82> Or the neighbors vinyl siding ;)
[14:56:30] <JT-Shop> too many trees between me and the neighbors... well not enough really
[14:56:53] <XXCoder> look for freshly fallen tree
[14:58:14] <JT-Shop> the deck is enclosed with a mulching cover over the discharge
[15:19:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, look for the short to tall patch of grass?
[15:29:10] <JT-Shop> looks like it fell off right when I started
[15:31:23] <_methods> oops
[15:35:19] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: ya sure it didnt fall off last time you used it?
[15:40:25] <Deejay> gn8
[15:42:28] <JT-Shop> the only thing I'm sure of is it is not there now... been a while since I used it
[16:01:40] <andypugh> My main PC (Mac) is restoring from a backup after a HD problem
[16:02:04] <andypugh> Which means no CAM or CAD
[16:02:15] <andypugh> And I have a part i want to make
[16:02:24] <malcom2073> Ut oh
[16:02:29] <andypugh> (because I can’t do anything much else)
[16:03:09] <andypugh> Maybe I need to install CamBam on a VM on this laptop
[16:03:42] <cradek> graph paper, calculator, text editor?
[16:04:19] <andypugh> Normally I would, but this is a semi-complicated curve
[16:04:23] <CaptHindsight> heh, I have to rebuild my M$ CAD PC as well. Something got on it even though it's only on sneakernet and the virus checker set to psychotic
[16:04:31] <archivist> inside rear of skull and simulate in linuxcnc till it works
[16:04:54] <andypugh> But, I guess the graph-paper would pass the time nicely :-)
[16:05:42] <andypugh> In fact, I am being daft. I have an actual part to replicate. I can draw round it :-)
[16:06:13] <cradek> haha
[16:06:58] <andypugh> Two other things before I start:
[16:07:50] <andypugh> A hal component that does all that an encoder does except count would be potentially useful for homing with some systems. (ie, _just_ doing the index-enable)
[16:09:01] <cradek> at first glance I don't understand that
[16:09:39] <andypugh> And is there a way to send moton commands from Python in Auto mode? (if you try to mdi you get “can't do that (EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE) in auto mode with the interpreter reading”
[16:09:55] <andypugh> cradek: just latching on index
[16:10:09] <cradek> andypugh: nope
[16:10:16] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/29102-using-an-index-pulse-with-stepgen#57983
[16:10:19] <cradek> in auto mode you open and run a file
[16:11:02] <andypugh> So, any tool change implemetaion that wants to cause axis motion has to run as a remap rather than a HAL component?
[16:11:22] <cradek> yes unless you do nuttier things
[16:11:33] <cradek> remap has got to be the way to go in these modern times
[16:12:07] <andypugh> I was just trying to keep it simple for someone who appears to be easily frightened by code
[16:12:33] <cradek> the basic remap (where you write a gcode subroutine) isn't that hard to set up
[16:12:43] <andypugh> I was looking at a somewhat tweaked hal_manualtoolchange type thing
[16:12:54] <cradek> (but the pythony stuff is way over my head without serious study)
[16:13:16] <andypugh> Yes, but a G-code sub to interpret gray code and wait on pneumatics is likely to get ugly
[16:13:32] <cradek> you'd want to do that part in ladder
[16:13:52] <cradek> use gcode to kick off and then wait for the ladder
[16:14:01] <andypugh> Yeah, so now we are looking at a part-Gcode, part-python, part Ladder implementation.
[16:14:06] <cradek> no python
[16:14:15] <andypugh> And a non-programmer user…
[16:14:37] <andypugh> You probably need the python prolog to pass the T number to G-code
[16:14:53] <cradek> surely that's on an iocontrol pin
[16:15:10] <andypugh> Well, yes, but that’s crazy
[16:15:11] <cradek> wait why does the gcode need it?
[16:15:17] <cradek> what kind of tool change are you trying to do?
[16:15:21] <andypugh> To move the carousel to the right pocket
[16:15:34] <cradek> the ladder does that
[16:15:44] <cradek> iocontrol hooks to ladder
[16:16:31] <andypugh> The thing is that the user does not know ladder. A rather more important point is that _I_ don’t know ladder :-)
[16:16:37] <cradek> haha
[16:17:19] <andypugh> All-python looks good, it keeps everything in one lplace
[16:17:31] <furrywolf> at least you have a machine that has a toolchanger. stop complaining. :P
[16:17:35] <andypugh> Ladder is userspace, so no loss there
[16:17:41] <cradek> I don't know that part
[16:17:47] <andypugh> No, I don’t actually have a toolchanger
[16:17:47] <cradek> so there are at least two ways...
[16:18:02] <cradek> I do have several, and ladder runs them
[16:18:43] <andypugh> I keep thinking that we should have a generic toolchanger component
[16:18:47] <cradek> my vmc has a resetting presettable quadrature decoder implemented in ladder
[16:19:20] <andypugh> Something that takes a sequence of typical tool-change operations as input, and then runs through them.
[16:20:26] <cradek> I can't even imagine how you'd start to write that
[16:20:38] <andypugh> “Z-100W1Z0” for two Z-moves with a wait for HAL pin 1 between them, as a not-yet-thought out example
[16:20:39] <cradek> have you seen tool changers? they're all different.
[16:20:51] <skunkworks> ladder is realtime...
[16:21:06] <cradek> yes it is
[16:21:26] <andypugh> See, I told you I didn’t know ladder
[16:21:56] <cradek> my hnc turret program wouldn't work if it wasn't realtime
[16:22:22] <cradek> wait for the sensor to see the right position as it spins by, ...
[16:23:05] <andypugh> It would work eventually non-realtime, but you might spin a few times
[16:23:46] <cradek> it might stop in the wrong position - you'd have to detect that failure and try again
[16:23:56] <cradek> ick
[16:24:52] <CaptHindsight> which Linux apps can view .DWG?
[16:24:53] <andypugh> OK, so, I will make parts rather than try to solve someone-else’s toolchanger implementation
[16:25:07] <cradek> that's the spirit
[16:25:31] <cradek> CaptHindsight: you should be using dxf unless you're transferring from autocad to autocad
[16:25:41] <skunkworks> I did everything in ladder except the spindle control.
[16:25:59] <CaptHindsight> cradek: don't have a choice if someone gives me a DWG
[16:26:27] <cradek> sure you do - send it back or ask them to buy you an autocad license
[16:27:06] <CaptHindsight> I can open and modify them with my CAD apps in M$
[16:27:08] <andypugh> CaptHindsight:
http://www.autodesk.com/products/dwg/viewers
[16:27:14] <cradek> dxf is an open interchange standard
[16:27:39] <CaptHindsight> just wondering if any Linux apps can view DWG
[16:27:43] <andypugh> cradek: You sound like someone who has never tried to use dxf :-)
[16:27:46] <Flipp_> anyone have any suggestions where I could source low-profile, high-torque-at-lower-RPM brushless DC motors?
[16:28:03] <cradek> andypugh: wellll
[16:28:09] <andypugh> Flipp_: Yaskawa Mega Torque?
[16:28:09] <CaptHindsight> I already have Inventor, NX, SW, Creo etc
[16:28:59] <CaptHindsight> hmm Qcad supposedly does but no longer launches for me
[16:29:03] <cradek> AutoCAD 360: Our free* app lets you view, create, edit, and share CAD drawings using a web browser or mobile device.**
[16:29:08] <andypugh> Flipp_: Ah, actually, NSK not Yaskawa
[16:29:12] <skunkworks> spindle control was a comp... So realtime. :)
[16:29:17] <cradek> their free* app has a lot** of footnotes***
[16:29:47] <skunkworks> (gearshift, lock, otherthings I cannot remember..)
[16:30:23] <andypugh> Flipp_:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NSK-Megatorque-MOTOR-MODEL-TYPE-YS2005GN001-/191559616009?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c99d7c609 (many more on there)
[16:30:31] <furrywolf> god I hate my ISP.
[16:30:33] <Flipp_> andypugh: awesome, thanks
[16:31:36] <andypugh> cradek: AutoDesk apps can create DXF files that can’t be opened by other Autodesk packages
[16:31:47] <furrywolf> I was downloading a large file from my webhosting. it got interrupted. wget retried. their transparent proxy decided to return their homepage instead, with all the headers wget was expecting to be the rest of my file... so wget stuck their homepage in the middle of the file.
[16:32:17] <cradek> furrywolf: if you happen to control both ends, check out zsync
[16:32:42] <cradek> furrywolf: it would actually fix and finish getting your file
[16:33:02] <XXCoder> furrywolf: maybe get tor browser
[16:33:12] <XXCoder> its nice way to bypass stupid proxies
[16:33:20] <furrywolf> I head -c -10000'd the file and resumed. will compare md5s when done. (will be a while before done)
[16:35:06] <furrywolf> I route my web browsing through ssh's socks proxy function, because their tampering with http connections makes the web mostly unusable.
[16:35:14] <furrywolf> I didn't bother proxying wget... I should have.
[16:35:20] <XXCoder> ahh
[16:35:40] <XXCoder> wonder if they perform MITM attack on https too
[16:35:53] * furrywolf hopes the new net neutrality laws will include some bit about how data streams must be passed UNALTERED.
[16:36:02] <cradek> haha
[16:36:04] <XXCoder> wheres the like button lol
[16:36:40] <furrywolf> I don't know how they could. https is designed to prevent such things. they'd need to have access to the root certificates or something...
[16:37:13] <furrywolf> or at least cooperation from someone with them
[16:38:03] <andypugh> cradek: I just noticed that CL has Grafcet. I should try that, given that my day-job is working with 10,000 page Simulink diagrams.
[16:38:12] <XXCoder> fur youre right
[16:39:43] <furrywolf> they do, however, tamper with regular http quite a bit... anything resembling an image gets recompressed, video gets fucked with in some way I haven't quite determined, and anything that even slightly looks like html gets their javascript stuck in it.
[16:40:11] <XXCoder> sounds like some kind of javascript whitelist would help
[16:40:15] <XXCoder> or blacklist
[16:40:16] <furrywolf> and for non-http, dns gets intercepted and fucked with, and anything that looks like it might be a bittorrent tracker connection, even on udp, gets deopped.
[16:40:22] <XXCoder> just block isp javascript
[16:40:36] <cradek> furrywolf: wow. only choice in your area?
[16:40:38] <furrywolf> it's inserted inline in the html
[16:40:42] <XXCoder> unless it appears to be from ahh yea
[16:40:51] <XXCoder> that makes it hard. unless its all same script
[16:40:56] <furrywolf> my solution is, as I said, to proxy all my browsing over ssh to my linode. heh.
[16:40:56] <XXCoder> rhen greasemonkey can kill it
[16:41:28] <furrywolf> I should set up a proper tunnel, so all programs of all kind go through it, not just those I've set with the socks proxy.
[16:42:31] <XXCoder> man that kinda stuff makes even comcast sound good
[16:42:35] <furrywolf> (the kind that shows up as an interface and I set my default route to it, with applications unawares)
[16:43:12] <furrywolf> my file is downloading now at an awesome 6.2K/sec.
[16:45:05] <furrywolf> is there a "tunneling for dummies" page?
[16:46:30] <furrywolf> I downloaded the file to my linode at 23MB/sec (megabytes, not bits). I wish I could download files like that at home. :)
[16:47:07] <XXCoder> fast.
[16:47:19] <XXCoder> what about carnet?
[16:47:32] <furrywolf> ?
[16:47:43] <XXCoder> drive there with portable hd heh
[16:47:48] <furrywolf> lol
[16:47:55] <XXCoder> newer version of sneakernet
[16:47:57] <furrywolf> sneakernet
[16:48:22] <furrywolf> I don't know where archive.org is, and it's probably a bit of a drive to pick up a mp3. :P
[16:48:33] <XXCoder> lol true
[16:48:55] <malcom2073> Nah you download to a server, and drive ther
[16:48:56] <malcom2073> there
[16:49:17] <furrywolf> I'm downloading
https://archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2015-03-27 to see if any of the bands are any good
[16:49:54] <furrywolf> got all 412MB in 19 seconds to my linode. now to get it here much, much slower.
[16:50:09] <XXCoder> 7 hours of audio
[16:50:45] <furrywolf> which will take much more than 7 hours for me to get! I started last evening.
[16:51:31] <XXCoder> fun. 0.1:1 ratio lol
[16:51:36] <XXCoder> well laters
[17:01:11] <furrywolf> YAY! md5s match.
[17:05:18] <_methods> is it wrong to want to knurl everything
[17:07:21] <furrywolf> when all you have is a knurling tool, ...
[17:08:12] <_methods> even if i had other tools
[17:08:29] <_methods> i think i have a knurling problem
[17:09:34] <roycroft> i enjoy knurling
[17:09:47] <roycroft> and i enjoy working with parts that are knurled, if it's appropriate to do so
[17:09:52] <_methods> yeah
[17:09:56] <_methods> i don't get it
[17:10:01] <roycroft> i don't feel compelled to knurl everything in sight though
[17:10:18] <_methods> hahah
[17:10:24] <_methods> you don't just grab random stuff to knurl
[17:11:20] <roycroft> one of the first projects i made in machining class was a centerpunch
[17:11:24] <roycroft> which is a pretty standard project
[17:11:37] <_methods> yeah
[17:11:40] <roycroft> i knurled it and hardened the tip
[17:11:47] <_methods> first thing we had to make was a drill gage
[17:11:52] <roycroft> the knurling looked every bit as good as on a starrett punch
[17:11:53] <_methods> with a file and hacksaw
[17:12:04] <roycroft> yes, the drill gage is usually the first project
[17:12:25] <_methods> i think center punch was after that
[17:12:37] <roycroft> and you get to manipulate the table on a bridgeport to finish the drill gage, but you don't get to turn the mill on
[17:12:53] <_methods> yeah i was a little dismayed lol
[17:13:01] <_methods> i kinda thought i would get to run some fun machines
[17:13:03] <roycroft> my second project was just a bunch of single point threads on the lathe
[17:13:10] <_methods> and all i get is a file and hacksaw lol
[17:13:13] <roycroft> i think the center punch came after that
[17:13:17] <_methods> oh yeah
[17:13:21] <_methods> the thread thing
[17:13:24] <_methods> yeah i remember that
[17:13:42] <_methods> had to do the same thing
[17:13:51] <_methods> turn down all those steps and thread
[17:13:58] <roycroft> anyway, i learned how to knurl with that project and it really did come out brilliantly
[17:14:08] <roycroft> and i've really had no problem knurling ever since
[17:14:35] <_methods> yeah i just feed in and stop
[17:14:37] <_methods> check knurl
[17:14:44] <roycroft> i've always used the knurling tools with the opposing rollers that you pinch down on the work
[17:14:44] <_methods> if good move on
[17:14:51] <roycroft> not the kind that you push into the work from one side
[17:14:52] <_methods> if bad keep applyin pressure
[17:14:52] <furrywolf> one of these days I'll have enough working tools I can knurl things.
[17:14:56] <roycroft> the latter is very hard on the lathe
[17:15:15] <_methods> yeah i have one of those crappy side load knurlers
[17:15:34] <roycroft> then i question why you want to knurl everything with it
[17:15:43] <_methods> hahah
[17:15:44] <roycroft> it's more difficult to use and a *lot* harder on the machine
[17:15:50] <_methods> i can't help myself
[17:16:00] <roycroft> go buy a pincher type and have a knurlgasm
[17:16:19] <_methods> yeah i need to
[17:16:27] <_methods> but i gotta update my aircompressor first
[17:16:30] <_methods> then bandsaw
[17:16:33] <_methods> then tig welder
[17:16:44] <roycroft> i'm done dealing with my compressor issues
[17:16:48] <roycroft> have been for about 4 years now
[17:17:00] <roycroft> problem 1: replace valves on cheap chinese compressor pump
[17:17:17] <_methods> how'd you fix your compressor woes?
[17:17:21] <furrywolf> I've spent way too much work on my compressor.
[17:17:23] <roycroft> problem 2: cheap chinese motor burned out - replaced with a good leeson
[17:17:23] <Rab> If traction is required, knurl, else engine turn.
[17:17:42] <Rab> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f9/26968d1286666199-jeweling-engine-turning-how-do-pa080135.jpg
[17:17:43] <roycroft> problem 3: cheap chinese compressor pump blew a head gasket
[17:17:54] <roycroft> replaced cheap chinese compressor pump with good american-made pump
[17:17:57] <roycroft> no mor problems
[17:17:59] <roycroft> more
[17:18:20] <Rab> roycroft, until your tank ruptures.
[17:18:36] <roycroft> my tank is outside my shop
[17:18:45] <roycroft> which will not prevent its failure
[17:18:50] <furrywolf> I have an old sears compressor... first the motor burned out. I took it apart, and found out the pump was stiff as fuck, which is likely what killed the motor. took the pump apart, found out it had sucked in a valve at some point, and someone had fixed it... poorly.
[17:18:57] <roycroft> but would ameliorate any damage caused by said failure
[17:20:21] <furrywolf> the screw that held the valve had hammered the upper ring groove down, pinching the ring, causing the ring to stick and the pump to bind. pried out the ring, filed the groove back to size, re-honed the cylinder, finally had a working pump... and still a bad motor. put on a 1.5hp motor from a jacuzzi blower in place of the 2hp one it was supposed to have, because that's what I had on hand...
[17:20:24] <furrywolf> it works much of the time!
[17:20:42] <MrFluffy> Hi all, question, 800x600 resolution, are there any touchscreen gui that can work at this resolution. gmoccapy is bigger than the screen & as per the wiki suggestion not useable in default trim, or can I customise it to fit the smaller display relatively easily?
[17:21:11] <roycroft> is your touch screen 50 years old?
[17:21:12] <MrFluffy> I have a pump off a garage forecourt on my compressor at the moment after a big explosion and seperation of conrod incident on the original...
[17:21:16] <roycroft> or is it the size of a postage stamp?
[17:21:20] <furrywolf> it has plumber's tape as a structual component. :)
[17:21:23] <MrFluffy> no its a ELO 12 inch
[17:21:27] <JT-Shop> crap now I have to update my 7i76 firmware
[17:21:52] <roycroft> my compressor was once a husky, from home depot
[17:22:43] <MrFluffy> the main danger with dodgy old compressors is the tank rupturing, but from the comments as I walked in someone has already presented that
[17:22:54] <MrFluffy> you can hydro test if you have another and some water :)
[17:22:58] <furrywolf> bah. too many of these bands are playing covers rather than original music.
[17:24:32] <furrywolf> oh, I almost forgot! the motor I put on turned the wrong way, and wasn't reversible... so I dug into the windings until I separated both ends of the start winding and reversed it.
[17:24:49] <MrFluffy> more precisely roycroft its a ELO 1224L 12", from 1996, and its the biggest screen I could jam in the cabinet physically as its in the old controls cab of a bridgeport interact series1
[17:25:12] <roycroft> i think i might have had that same touch screen display
[17:25:25] <roycroft> i did some work developing touch screen kiosks back in the '90s
[17:25:48] <MrFluffy> yeah possibly, its working as a touch screen, just short on screen real estate
[17:26:18] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/compressor8/p1010001.jpg mid-project. :)
[17:26:42] <MrFluffy> I was wondering if gmoccapy and touchy had the 960 limit but with some tweakery they could be shrank a bit more
[17:26:47] <roycroft> you can find lcd touchscreen 1024x768 or larger displays really cheap on the aftermarket, pulled from other equipment
[17:26:55] <roycroft> i'm talking $50 or less
[17:26:59] <roycroft> more real estate
[17:27:04] <roycroft> less bulky
[17:27:07] <roycroft> and much lower power consumption
[17:27:21] <roycroft> that does not answer your question, i know
[17:27:27] <MrFluffy> since Im in france, probably the shipping would be more than $50 Im afraid.
[17:27:40] <MrFluffy> This one came from the USA as it was
[17:27:47] <roycroft> but i suspect that even if you find a way to run linuxcnc on an 800x600 display you'll be unhappy with it
[17:28:00] * roycroft does not know for dumpster diving in france
[17:28:01] <MrFluffy> I can use axis with it, but the icons are a bit small to hit accurately
[17:28:22] <roycroft> a stylus might help with that
[17:28:27] <MrFluffy> jog etc are all wired to the joysticks anyway
[17:28:59] <MrFluffy> with the original sticks wired up to a old keyboard innards inside
[17:30:24] <MrFluffy> just wondering if to spend some time learning how to configure gmoccapy with some tweaks in configs shrinking areas or if it would involve digging round the code and butchering it inside
[17:32:19] <MrFluffy> touchy doesnt appear to allow keyboard/touchscreen in parallel like gmoccapy...
[17:33:20] <furrywolf> how do you set firefox's audio output device?
[17:33:52] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lq_0Fxil2w needs to be on my big speakers, not my tinny laptop speakers
[17:47:36] <furrywolf> I'm not a big dance music fan, but this band seems to have several good songs
[17:54:04] <MrFluffy> butchery it is then, property name="width_request">979</property
[18:04:09] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, it doesn't give me an option to boot in safe mode
[18:09:28] <Tom_itx> i'd run the install cd to fix the os for any problems first i think
[18:09:34] <JT-Shop> I'm wishing I had an automagic nightly backup
[18:09:41] <JT-Shop> doing that now
[18:09:57] <Tom_itx> i have a whole slew of hdd for backups for just this reason
[18:10:13] <Tom_itx> at least i won't lose too much that way
[18:10:18] <_methods> rsync baby
[18:10:47] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what win flavor?
[18:10:56] <JT-Shop> 7
[18:10:57] <_methods> oh windows
[18:11:01] <_methods> nm on the rsync lol
[18:11:15] <Tom_itx> i'm not quite fond of 7 yet
[18:11:23] <JT-Shop> I need something to back up all my computers to one central computer
[18:11:26] <Tom_itx> still run xp pro on several
[18:11:38] <malcom2073> rsync works great in windows
[18:11:45] <malcom2073> I use it for backing up all my windows PC's, have it scheduled to run once a day
[18:11:46] <_methods> yeah backuppc is kinda nice too
[18:11:53] <JT-Shop> yea, I have XP down in the beer cave
[18:12:04] <Tom_itx> have you ever had to recover using rsync?
[18:12:07] <Tom_itx> can you ?
[18:12:10] <Tom_itx> i don't know about it
[18:12:22] <malcom2073> Recovery depends on how and what you're backing up
[18:12:29] <malcom2073> rsync just makes copies of files
[18:12:29] <Tom_itx> i want to be able to recover from anything
[18:12:39] <JT-Shop> all I care about backing up is my data files
[18:12:46] <Tom_itx> i ghost my drives to spares
[18:13:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, worst case you can put it into a linux box and copy all the files
[18:13:05] <Tom_itx> i did that recently
[18:13:21] <JT-Shop> yea, I have a new drive handy
[18:13:26] <Tom_itx> one + for linux :D
[18:13:40] <JT-Shop> 2 TB
[18:14:41] <JT-Shop> it goes to startup repair and says come back in an hour
[18:18:06] <JT-Shop> PCW, store.mesanet.com gives me an untrusted warning
[18:20:37] <Tom_itx> not sure i trust him either :D
[18:20:46] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Sounds like your problem if you don't trust him :P
[18:21:29] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:22:06] <Tom_itx> these asrock boards don't like to install from a USB drive
[18:22:08] <JT-Shop> that was from a google search, when I got mesanet.com then click on the link for store.mesanet.com I don't get the warning
[18:22:28] <Tom_itx> google must be meddling
[18:24:19] <malcom2073> And they would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!
[18:37:59] <MrFluffy> good night all, or rather good morning. I shall continue my nasty gui fudgery tomorrow.
[18:40:11] <furrywolf> interesting. the plastic the forks that come in the salad bowls I buy is incredibly good at repelling glue. I used one to mix jbweld, and it simply FELL OFF after it dried. cleanly. didn't need to pick it, it just fell off.
[18:41:04] <JT-Shop> wow I have 50 GB of stuff in Documents
[18:41:27] <furrywolf> music, movies, porn, ?
[18:42:14] <JT-Shop> CAD files mostly
[18:42:31] * furrywolf has about 100GB of music, 5GB of movies, and 0B of porn.
[18:42:39] <JT-Shop> looks like I have 199GB free on my USB drive
[18:47:12] <renesis> furrywolf: yeah streaming webporn is pretty neat
[18:47:30] <renesis> its like were living in the future
[18:48:15] <furrywolf> lol
[18:48:19] * furrywolf doesn't like porn
[18:48:35] <renesis> you have issues, everyone likes porn
[18:48:37] <JT-Shop> crap I have to move the W3 jumper and don't feel like it
[18:48:45] <renesis> you just havent found the right porn
[18:48:48] <renesis> you need to keep trying
[18:48:53] <furrywolf> ... no, not everyone likes porn.
[18:49:16] <renesis> weve been over this. youre wrong, i decided
[18:49:36] <furrywolf> lol
[19:01:09] <furrywolf> scanning through this 7hr mp3, there's some good bands, plenty of so-so, and a few fucking awful. about typical for a large show. lol
[20:15:09] <jdh> one single 7 hr mp3?
[20:30:24] <renesis> sounds rude on someones part
[20:30:44] <renesis> are there still media players that have issues with gapless playback?
[20:32:33] <malcom2073> There are still people using winamp
[20:35:13] <renesis> pfft
[20:35:21] <renesis> thats just a skin that makes it look like winamp
[20:35:24] <renesis> winamp is dead
[20:35:28] <renesis> that guy makes reaper now
[20:37:46] <malcom2073> No
[20:37:51] <malcom2073> I mean there are people who still use winamp
[20:38:17] <malcom2073> People will always use old outdated things :)
[20:40:33] <Tom_itx> they work.
[20:47:26] <_methods> no one else has stepped in to fill the llama ass whipping void
[20:54:50] <furrywolf> jdh: it's a recording of a live show. one 7:30ish mp3.
[20:55:32] <furrywolf> if you want to do jwz and/or archive.org a favor and cut it into tracks labeled with the artist and song name, I'm sure they'd appreciate it. :)
[20:55:58] <furrywolf> https://archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2015-03-27 have fun!
[20:56:04] <Cromaglious__> working on the body of my probe
[20:57:27] <Cromaglious__> 0.755 hole in the middle, 0.200 thru hole
[20:57:30] * furrywolf would like it too, since it's hard to find out song names for small bands with no online lyrics...
[20:57:52] <Cromaglious__> I have 1 machine running winamp
[20:58:41] <furrywolf> I still use xmms on some machines, as I've yet to find another music player that'll simply add some files and play them, without needing libraries, id3 tags, etc, etc, etc, and then crashing.
[20:58:52] <Cromaglious__> just because itunes died on it
[20:59:34] <Cromaglious__> I haven't actually played mp3's on a linux box yet
[20:59:52] <furrywolf> I don't care about searching my collection by id3 tags. I don't want my files in a database. I just want to add files, and play them.
[21:05:33] <furrywolf> how do we have a channel with "linux" in the name and people not playing mp3s on linux? :)
[21:07:31] <furrywolf> one of the most important tools in a shop is a stereo that's loud enough to drown out all the machinery within.
[21:10:00] <furrywolf> my 12x24 storage/shop has a pair of klipshs on one end, yahamas on the other, a dual 12" sub on the floor...
[21:15:27] <cpresser> furrywolf: amarok
[21:17:17] <cpresser> furrywolf: 'gnome-music' also is quite simple
[21:17:34] <furrywolf> nothing to do with gnome is simple. :)
[21:18:40] <furrywolf> ugh, and amarok is apparantly kde.
[21:18:48] <furrywolf> a music player does not need 200MB of libraries.
[21:19:06] <cpresser> so what. i am sure you have enought diskspace.
[21:19:17] <cpresser> you can also go console. mpg123
[21:19:52] <furrywolf> and amarok also looks to be the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I said I wanted.
[21:20:29] <cpresser> kde- and gnome libs are installed on most systems anyway.
[21:21:26] <cpresser> "apt-get install moc" still needs ncurses lib. but it wont get any more lightweight
[21:21:29] <furrywolf> I do not want web service support. I do not want my files in a database. I do not want it to depend on id3 tags. I do not want collection management. I do not want file tracking. I do not want bookmarking. I do not want Plasma or anything to do with plasma. In fact, I don't want a single bloody thing on the features page. Notable, the features page does not include "plays music".
[21:21:57] <cpresser> furrywolf: seems like you need to write your own programm, if you are so strict about features/non-features :D
[21:23:03] <furrywolf> I generally avoid installing kde or gnome libraries. too much bloat, too many problems. you can't install just one program that uses them either - you always have to drag in the respective control panels to be able to properly configure anything that uses the libraries, and then you end up with all the rest of it...
[21:23:40] <furrywolf> And then they try to drag in pulse, which is enough reason to never, ever touch them.
[21:24:51] * cpresser uses "i3" as wm. never needed any control-panel whatsoever for gnome/kde apps
[21:25:29] <furrywolf> you always need the control panel. as an example, if you install any kde applications without kcontrol, file dialogs are broken.
[21:25:49] <furrywolf> it's stuck in single-click to open, no multiple file selection, etc, until you install kcontrol. because somehow the default is to be broken.
[21:26:27] <furrywolf> this specific issue has pissed me off multiple times.
[21:29:58] <Tom_itx> ssi you around?
[21:30:11] <Tom_itx> wanted a link to your rotary axis thing you made
[21:44:01] <furrywolf> woot! I found a soundcloud downloader that actually works, AND soundcloud now has The Setting Son - Before I Eat My Eyes and Ears, which I wanted to download a while ago and couldn't find anywhere.
[21:47:28] <furrywolf> the downloader doesn't number tracks, which is plain stupid, but I have a script that autonumbers them somewhere...
[21:48:23] <furrywolf> (yes, I'm downloading electropop dance music and weird-ass '60s-ish psychedelic at the same time. yay having varied tastes.)
[21:52:54] <furrywolf> one of my pioneers was rattling slightly with the bass on one of the breakdown valentine tracks, but as soon as I poked the woofer to confirm it as the source, it went away and hasn't come back. that's unusual.
[21:55:51] <furrywolf> hrmm, don't have agrep on this box, which my script needs.
[21:56:51] <cradek> approximate grep! never heard of it before now.
[21:57:41] <furrywolf> yep
[21:58:10] <furrywolf> my script uses it to figure out which track name matches best between the list of files in a directory and a list of tracks in the proper order.
[21:59:28] <furrywolf> so when you download an album and someone didn't bother putting the track numbers in it anywhere, you can give it a list of tracks in the right order (copy+paste from any website), and it'll match them up.
[22:00:48] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/mlist.txt (work in progress, and possibly an old version... I lost a hard drive, and had to restore off a stale backup)
[22:02:02] <furrywolf> it also renames files to include artist and album names, and squishes track names down to a selectable length when copying to a drive for a car stereo with a limited display.
[22:05:11] <furrywolf> it also fixes filenames with underscores or periods instead of spaces, missing punctuation (mostly accurately, even!), missing capitalization, track numbers at the end of the filename instead of the start, duplicate extensions, removes useless crap from filenames,...
[22:07:14] <furrywolf> yeah, that version is broken. yay restoring old backups.
[22:08:01] <zeeshan> xmms
[22:08:01] <zeeshan> lol
[22:08:37] <zeeshan> i ran xmms2
[22:08:41] <zeeshan> on windows for a long time
[22:09:58] <furrywolf> bah, my pioneer is rattling again. figured that would happen. might need a woofer.
[22:12:41] <furrywolf> I'm rather fond of these speakers, probably will ebay an original woofer when I have a few bucks spare.
[22:25:05] <Cromaglious__> I've used E6000 to fix speakers cones and flex rings, it's flexable enough and deefinately strong enough
[22:26:44] <furrywolf> ouch! no woofers on ebay, and a pair of speakers is $500!
[22:27:14] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-CS-A700-Speakers-/291431935384
[22:27:40] <furrywolf> yes, they come factory wired for triamping.
[22:30:48] <furrywolf> I don't think you can fix a bad voice coil with adhesive. :)
[22:42:02] <Cromaglious__> you can reglue a voice coil that's come loose back onto a cone, if it's good shape
[22:42:24] <roycroft> i've reconed many speakers
[22:42:45] <roycroft> the stacked advents sitting right in front of me being prime examples
[22:42:53] <furrywolf> no, it's making the intermittant bad contact noise. could be a cracked connection where the tinsel connects to the voice coil, or could be a cracked voice coil...
[22:43:28] <roycroft> or a leaky crossover cap
[22:43:39] <furrywolf> leaky crossover caps don't go away when you press on the cone. :)
[22:43:51] <roycroft> ok, i wasn't here earlier
[22:43:59] <roycroft> so i don't know the whole story
[22:44:28] <furrywolf> I need to refoam my ess amt1s... I don't think they need reconing, but they're in pretty sad shape.
[22:45:15] <roycroft> refoaming is needed probably an order of magnitude more often than reconing vintage speakers
[22:45:35] <roycroft> fortunately it's really easy to do
[22:45:56] <furrywolf> they're the only thing I own with foam surrounds. my usual rule is anything with foam isn't worth owning. :)
[22:46:25] <furrywolf> my other speakers, of six different brands, all have cloth surrounds.
[22:47:09] <roycroft> well i'm pretty happy with both my main hifi and my garage hifi
[22:47:27] <roycroft> i have stacked original large advents in the living room, and baby advents in the garage
[22:47:53] <roycroft> i would not mind a nice set of dahlquist dq-10s for the living room
[22:48:20] <roycroft> but it's getting pretty hard to find those in decent condition
[22:48:54] <furrywolf> my living room has a stack of sansui sp-3500, sansui sp-7500x, and pioneer cs-a700... my shop has some klipschs and yamahas, and a big sub unit... my jbl 4311s are on loan to someone, the ess amt1s need refoaming, and the dynacos will go in the bedroom one of these days, but now they're in storage, as they're not worth hooking up.
[22:49:38] <roycroft> i enjoy the vintage hifi gear
[22:50:02] <furrywolf> I have too many vintage amps that need fixing.
[22:50:13] <roycroft> i have a mcintosh c-28 pre-amp and mc2100 power amp in the living room
[22:50:39] <furrywolf> I'd like to have my pioneer sx-1010 in my living room, but it needs an output pair. so does my kenwood l07m monoblocks...
[22:50:49] <roycroft> my tuner is an mr-73 - the last mcintosh tuner with a vacuum tube (it has a magic eye)
[22:51:56] <furrywolf> I have two other pioneers that need repair, a marantz that needs repair, a sansui that needs repair,...
[22:52:09] <furrywolf> I just bought a sansui au-717. hopefully it doesn't need repair!
[22:52:24] <roycroft> cool
[22:53:55] <furrywolf> due to a lack of working hifi amps, my living room currently runs off a pair of car amps. lol
[22:55:26] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rockford-Fosgate-Punch-4080DSM-/261814480517 it actually is an honest 160W RMS/channel, both channels driven, 0.1% THD...
[22:55:42] <furrywolf> so not total crap... but still a car amp. because I have no working hifi amps left. heh.
[22:56:59] <furrywolf> built back when rockford fosgate made stuff worth owning... a huge chunk of cast aluminum and non-imaginary specs.
[23:02:41] <Cromaglious__> I have a Carver 75w I use sparinley
[23:03:12] <Cromaglious__> 150w mono it drives a A7 nicely
[23:03:17] <furrywolf> the car amps actually work surprisingly well for me, since I hardwired them into the 12V dc-dc bus of my solar system...
[23:04:31] <furrywolf> a run of 6AWG to the 12V battery bank, and two 1F caps on the amp inputs for a bit of smoothing.
[23:04:34] <Cromaglious__> though the A7 got respeakered with a 120oz 15" midrange out of a Carver studio folded speaker
[23:05:41] <Cromaglious__> another reason I want a CNC with alot of Z. so I can make 3d speaker cones
[23:06:22] <furrywolf> ... make... speaker cones? aren't they usually molded from lightweight materials, not machined? I don't think I've ever seen a machined speaker cone, in fact. lol
[23:07:26] <furrywolf> even the honeycomb on the sony squares I had were made with paper, glue, etc.
[23:08:25] <furrywolf> (for those who haven't seen them, sony made a line of speakers with square drivers. no, they didn't do anything better than cones.)
[23:09:26] <LeelooMinai> I magine the best materials would be light and stiff, so maybe some carbon-fiiber like, or kevlar, etc.
[23:10:04] <furrywolf> yes, you might imagine that, and so do many other people... however, without fail, every kevlar speaker I've listened to has sounded like utter shit.
[23:10:30] <furrywolf> you need the right mix of being stiff AND damping any resonances or other oddities that might occour within the cone.
[23:10:44] <LeelooMinai> There are kevlar speakers? I am not speaker specialist, just was musing.
[23:11:09] <furrywolf> yep
[23:11:36] <LeelooMinai> I guess they could damp the stiff cone - doesn't mean that the cone itself should not be stiff
[23:12:17] <furrywolf> every kevlar driver I've heard sounded like it resonated and did odd things... never sounded good.
[23:12:44] <LeelooMinai> Maybe be related to something other
[23:13:20] <LeelooMinai> Or maybe they were not the best designs
[23:15:24] <Cromaglious__> best sounding speakers I have heard have always been paper cones
[23:16:48] <LeelooMinai> Considering 99% of them is paper cones, that's not surprising:)
[23:17:08] <Cromaglious__> with high linen content, so 1/2 fabric/1/2 wood pulp
[23:17:16] <LeelooMinai> Is or was - not sure which
[23:17:48] <furrywolf> "Most audiophiles and magazine reviewers are unaware of the sonic signature of Kevlar or carbon-fiber resonance, misidentifying it as "amplifier sensitivity," "room sensitivity," or other problems that point away from the real culprit."
[23:18:12] <Cromaglious__> yeah do they ever ring
[23:18:14] <furrywolf> "they are very difficult drivers to work with, with strong resonant signatures that must be controlled acoustically and electrically."
[23:18:23] <furrywolf> so, yeah, my theory is exactly what the problem is. lol
[23:18:38] <Cromaglious__> paper is actually a rigid felt
[23:18:49] <furrywolf> perhaps you can design a speaker that makes them sound good... I've not heard one. every kevlar speaker I've heard sounded like shit. :)
[23:19:12] <furrywolf> Cromaglious__: if you want funky materials, I have no idea what the drivers on my JBLs are made of.
[23:19:39] <furrywolf> at least the woofer, the mid and tweeter are plain paper
[23:20:31] <furrywolf> it's some form of paper/wood fiber construction, that's fucking stiff, and very light despite being very thick and 3-dimensional.
[23:20:39] <Cromaglious__> I had a speaker from the 70's with handmake paper cones with hair tail hair for strengthening
[23:21:22] <furrywolf> you can see it in
http://reconingspeakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/jbl-l100.jpg
[23:22:01] <furrywolf> when you give them the finger-tap test, they sound very different than most cones.
[23:22:13] <Cromaglious__> My dad used to work for Teledyne and we got some AR speakers for basically cost
[23:23:46] <furrywolf> I have a pair of klipschs with plastic-coned woofers... they SOUND LIKE PLASTIC. they are, by far, the worst name-brand speaker I've ever heard. they have two plastic cones and a horn. they sound like two plastic cones and a horn.
[23:24:08] <furrywolf> http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=33772&stc=1&d=1218768837 there's a good backside shot of the jbl woofers... you can see the heavy 3d texture there too.
[23:25:10] <furrywolf> yes, the magnet is 8" around, and has a suitably impressive edge-wound flat copper voice coil in it.
[23:28:38] <furrywolf> http://cgim.audiogon.com/i/rv/s/f/1048884229.jpg there's the klipschs. they sound exactly like they look. they sound like two plastic cones and a plastic horn. speakers should not sound like things.
[23:32:59] <furrywolf> that really is the best way I can think of to describe them... they sound like their materials. badly.
[23:34:03] <furrywolf> they make decent shop speakers, where the primary use is to crank them up loud, but they're not good for quiet listening.
[23:35:08] <Cromaglious__> consumer grade crap
[23:36:07] <Cromaglious__> JBL has some really good speakers, that I've used to respeaker some other cabs
[23:36:26] <furrywolf> the jbl 4311/l100 is the best speaker I've heard.
[23:36:40] <Cromaglious__> I had a pallet load 5'x4'x4' of Bose 3
[23:36:44] <Cromaglious__> " speakers
[23:36:59] <furrywolf> I've only heard a couple bose, never owned them... never been impressed, at all.
[23:37:17] <Cromaglious__> 8oz 8ohm 3" speaker with a 10" long resonence chamber
[23:37:33] <Cromaglious__> great little speaker for using for fill
[23:38:04] <Cromaglious__> great response up to 16Kish
[23:38:09] <Cromaglious__> perfect for a car
[23:39:03] <furrywolf> if you ever see a jbl 4311, 4312, l100, l88plus, or similar, grab them. even if you don't like them (I love them), the ebay value can be unpleasantly high.
[23:39:34] <qsqsqwsqws> Hello all - long time no login
[23:39:57] <furrywolf> heh, there's someone on ebay trying to get $2000+shipping for a pair...
[23:40:06] <Cromaglious__> I'm to the point of if I need noise the hp computer speakers work ok for me... Audiophile days are over
[23:40:39] <furrywolf> in that case, I'll give you my shipping address, and you can send all your hifi stuff my way. :P
[23:40:51] <qsqsqwsqws> I see that EMC2 is now 'linuxCNC' - I'm wondering what have been the major changes, if any, since then ?
[23:41:07] <furrywolf> qsqsqwsqws: there was a major change in the name. :)
[23:41:08] <Cromaglious__> OK I have so rocking (for computer speakers) sony, altec lansing, and some noname acer factory speaker that sound really good
[23:41:34] <qsqsqwsqws> in UI and features especially
[23:41:40] <Cromaglious__> ok off to home
[23:41:46] <Cromaglious__> ttyl
[23:42:16] * furrywolf will gladly accept donations of high-end audio gear
[23:43:08] <furrywolf> qsqsqwsqws: can't help you there... I didn't use it back when it was emc2.
[23:44:42] <qsqsqwsqws> fair enough :)
[23:51:46] <furrywolf> install it, run your machine, find out?
[23:54:35] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
