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[00:41:56] <tjtr33> just finished an edm repair. kinda cool work: carbide extrusion dies (pelletizer dies)
https://videobin.org/+8v4/brq.html
[01:16:44] <tiger12506> anyone there?
[01:23:38] <renesis> tjb111: heh cool
[01:30:07] <tiger12506> I can't seem to install linuxcnc using the hybrid iso feature.
[01:31:01] <tiger12506> I've always the debian installer. It is a pain in the butt.
[01:33:26] <tiger12506> always *hated
[02:07:21] <zeeshan> anyone here machine bronze a lot?
[02:07:24] <zeeshan> i got my ass kicked by it,
[02:07:33] <zeeshan> turning it with a carbide insert was nice and easy
[02:07:38] <zeeshan> but when i went to drill it
[02:07:41] <zeeshan> boy did it kick my ass
[02:07:45] <zeeshan> i went through 3 drill bits
[02:07:59] <zeeshan> that i sharpened 8 times
[02:08:19] <zeeshan> to ensure it wasn't my grind, i tried drilling steel with the same bit that was giving me a hard time in the bronze
[02:08:24] <zeeshan> and it drilled fine
[02:08:37] <zeeshan> carbide drill bit ate through the bronze no problem.
[02:08:40] <zeeshan> so wtf!
[02:18:26] <Deejay> moin
[02:25:30] <Computer_Barf> zeeshan. That's weird, i would think carbide would make quick work of bronze
[02:25:44] <Computer_Barf> maybe its bronze plated stainless.
[02:25:47] <Computer_Barf> lol
[02:25:55] <zeeshan> the carbide ate it
[02:25:58] <Computer_Barf> cause stainless is my arch nemesis
[02:25:59] <zeeshan> the bits that got owned were hss
[02:26:18] <zeeshan> stainless i dont mind
[02:26:23] <zeeshan> just feed hard and its ok
[02:26:32] <zeeshan> this thing has gotten me baffled
[02:26:38] <zeeshan> i finished the job, but im worried for the future!
[02:26:53] <Computer_Barf> have you ever drilled a 3/4 inch hole in quarter inch ss plate?
[02:27:18] <Computer_Barf> i was able to do smaller holes no problem but getting that big i couldn't get it to work without work hardening
[02:28:04] <Computer_Barf> i would try to keep it cool , resharpen the tool , pecking, etc
[02:28:30] <Computer_Barf> but that was pre mill , just a small drill press so it could just be hp
[02:28:57] <Computer_Barf> ill find out when I get back to that project later this month
[02:30:34] <Computer_Barf> i would have thought bronze would always be softer than hss
[02:30:57] <Computer_Barf> i mean isn't that just copper and zinc or some other copper alloy
[02:35:42] <archivist> copper work hardens :)
[02:36:31] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BslZyKpNFMs
[02:36:41] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8luFJ0Oy8Y
[02:37:00] <Computer_Barf> there is the right angle attachment I am looking at for a slitting saw
[02:37:13] <archivist> I had real "fun" machining a naval brass gear wheel once
[02:37:53] <Computer_Barf> what exactly would one do on a large object that work hardens
[02:39:05] <archivist> sometimes anneal, other times like stainless the cut depth matters
[02:41:43] <archivist> tell that hoss he does not need to peck air drilling
[02:42:13] <Computer_Barf> lol yeah i noticed that too
[02:42:59] <Computer_Barf> he doensn't seem to have the design posted anywhere but its simple enough I think i could do it
[02:43:27] <archivist> some of his stuff I would avoid
[02:43:52] <Computer_Barf> I have the same gears that he used cause they came with the mill and are just pulled out
[02:45:34] <Computer_Barf> I know its not the best option, but it's at least an option
[02:46:11] <Computer_Barf> the guy earlier's suggestion of a horizontal mill isn't exactly on my list of options
[02:46:25] <archivist> note slitting is a high torque operation
[02:46:39] <Computer_Barf> i mean If im not buying a band saw..
[02:47:01] <Computer_Barf> I've also been considering building a power hacksaw
[02:47:28] <Computer_Barf> slitting through an inch of aluminum though..
[02:48:12] <Computer_Barf> hoss mentioned ground bevel gears as a possiblity to make the thing rattle less
[02:48:45] <Computer_Barf> i know he has a thin aluminum sheet on that curve on the bottom , i would think that would turn the thing into a drum
[02:51:53] <archivist> that looks like a lump of spastic case
[02:53:11] <archivist> the crappy noise is a sign of non concentric bevel
[02:53:52] <Computer_Barf> on the gear itself or the alignment of the axis's?
[02:54:39] <Computer_Barf> cause i mean, they are gears that came off a mills z axis handcrank, one would expect they are not designed of a quality for high speed
[02:57:12] <archivist> you have a choice, chinese gear error, or hoss mounting error, or both
[03:00:15] <zeeshan> Computer_Barf: yes i have
[03:00:24] <zeeshan> you gotta feed really hard through it
[03:00:52] <zeeshan> archivist: does bronze work harden more than ss?
[03:01:56] <archivist> it is different, dont know the amount
[03:03:19] <archivist> it took the edge of our tooling when making the clock gear
[03:08:26] <archivist> we were using this machine on something about 8" diameter 1/2" thick
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/P1010233.JPG
[03:09:56] <Computer_Barf> jeebus some of the prices people will charve for gears
[03:10:27] <archivist> machines and machine setup cost
[03:11:23] <Computer_Barf> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/36682730?item=36682730&fromRR=Y
[03:12:27] <Computer_Barf> humm can't tell the diffrence between miter gear and bevel gear
[03:12:53] <archivist> different word
[03:13:33] <archivist> but miter probably only refers to 90 deg pair
[03:33:51] <Computer_Barf> ok dumb question, why is flood oil not a thing?
[03:34:39] <archivist> it is a thing of professional machines
[03:35:00] <archivist> toys dont have the casing for it
[03:35:31] <Computer_Barf> i don't mean flood coolent though, i mean oil
[03:35:48] <Computer_Barf> like thicker oils rather than thin fluids
[03:36:08] <archivist> use the right oil for the job
[03:36:16] <Computer_Barf> ive never seen a thicker oil used in an enclosure
[03:36:32] <archivist> gears use thick oil
[03:36:46] <Computer_Barf> just wondering why thicker oils arn't appropriate in many of these applications
[03:36:55] <archivist> eg EP90 in a back axle
[03:37:42] <Computer_Barf> I wonder if hosses case was welded at the seams and filled with oil it would quite down
[03:37:43] <archivist> depends on the contact pressure and mode and speeds
[03:38:05] <archivist> hoss case is spastic
[03:38:50] <Computer_Barf> well , i can understand given that he needed to machine it on his mll
[03:39:10] <archivist> has he even got proper seals
[03:39:30] <Computer_Barf> I assume not
[03:39:41] <Computer_Barf> im just meaning, if you made it to be sealed
[03:39:47] <archivist> as it is open when removed, that is another reason
[03:40:26] <archivist> proper right angle attachments have 4 bearings and separate shafts and seals
[03:41:06] <archivist> the input gear would be permanent inside the case
[03:42:56] <archivist> although I think the one I have is just a seal
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=head+vertical
[03:43:42] <archivist> I called it vertical but actually that converts a vertical to horizontal like you want
[03:45:04] <archivist> http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae293/Masimec/100_1283.jpg
[03:45:17] <archivist> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/44954-An-Unusual-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-VERY-LONG-Post/page3
[03:46:27] <Computer_Barf> yeah the problem I am going to have is finding one that will fit the g0704
[03:47:15] <Computer_Barf> I think perhaps the simplest answer is the right one , perhaps I should be just cutting half depth and flipping it
[03:48:41] <archivist> I got that head to use on my horizontal
[03:49:30] <archivist> updated the description with probable makers name Fexac
[03:51:45] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOkJYMq4poM&list=UUhpfClXAc93E3d0uR8HLxtQ&index=8
[03:51:55] <Computer_Barf> ok yeah this is really tempting
[03:52:13] <Computer_Barf> its just an angle grinder slapped on the side of a cnc machine
[03:54:14] <archivist> the carbide inserts like the high speed of that
[03:55:24] <archivist> I used to use a 20" blade at 3000 rpm iirc to cut aluminium at a job
[03:55:52] <archivist> must wax the blade and teeth though
[03:57:39] <archivist> larger version of
http://omelays.blogspot.co.uk/2005/06/dewalt-radial-arm-saw.html
[03:57:54] <Computer_Barf> i just checked my angle grinder, it has three seperate spots where you can screw the handle into the cast casing , looks like its quarter inch taps
[03:58:13] <Computer_Barf> im sure I can mill up some sort of bracket for mounting it on the side of the mill
[03:59:00] <archivist> add an extra clamp to the body
[03:59:12] <archivist> near the handle
[03:59:25] <Computer_Barf> lol i was just thinking that
[04:00:06] <Computer_Barf> it looks like he just threw a clamp on it
[08:36:08] <jthornton> I suspect part of my problem with ttt is some font files are open type font files
[08:36:26] <_methods> yeah fonts are a nightmare
[08:36:52] <jthornton> I have one that works YEA and two that give me an error
[08:36:53] <_methods> i dread every job where i have to do text stuff
[08:37:25] <jthornton> ttt does make it simple to generate my plasma G code if I can find the right fonts lol
[08:38:45] <_methods> whenever i get a text job i figure my programming to by having to path exploded text
[08:40:04] <jthornton> I wonder if the freetype lib is choking on opentype fonts
[08:40:25] <_methods> no idea but open loops always cause porblems
[08:40:51] <jthornton> john@cave:~$ truetype-tracer -f /home/john/.fonts/Lintsec.ttf 'TEST' > lintsec.ngc
[08:40:51] <jthornton> OTF_drive_tables:686: OTF-Error (Invalid table): OTF Table Read (table not found)
[08:40:58] <jthornton> that's the error I get
[08:42:16] <_methods> wonder if the table has permission issues
[08:44:12] <jthornton> they all have the same permissions
[08:44:33] <_methods> and it works on other computers just not this one?
[08:44:50] <_methods> it's gotta be a problem with the fonts
[08:45:21] <jthornton> lol, I can't even get it to work with the same font on another computer
[08:45:29] <_methods> hmmm
[08:45:55] <_methods> gotta love linux lol
[08:46:30] <archivist> looks a bit like the include library by that line number OTF_drive_tables:686: OTF-Error (Invalid table)
[08:46:51] <jthornton> I just downloaded some with .otf extensions so I assume they are opentype fonts for sure I think
[08:47:01] <archivist> which ttt version anyway
[08:47:49] <jthornton> I assume it is 4. something that comes with the debian live cd
[08:50:21] <jthornton> however I see no version information
[08:50:57] <jthornton> I get the same OTF error with a .otf font...
[08:53:28] <archivist> -v gives version info
[08:54:57] <jthornton> V4.0-2 and it also prints out the G code for Hello*world* lol
[08:55:17] <archivist> that is the default text :)
[10:02:43] <furrywolf> "Designed with UHF negative pressure pulse technology, the breast cup makes the fat molecules inside breast rapidly dividing growth in 7200 sub-second high-frequency oscillatory."
[10:11:28] <pcw_home> Sounds good to me
[10:12:03] <furrywolf> Technobabble apparantly isn't just for scifi anymore.
[10:13:32] <furrywolf> also, china.
[10:16:31] <furrywolf> straight from aliexpress.
[10:16:38] <SpeedEvil> China? China doesn't have breasts.
[10:17:35] <furrywolf> ...
[10:18:41] <SpeedEvil> Also, 'rapidly dividing growth' seems to be exactly what you don't want in a breast.
[10:18:51] <furrywolf> that I'll agree with.
[10:20:13] <furrywolf> good thing everything they claim is entirely fictional. lol
[10:26:43] <JT-Shop> yuck nurbs runs slow in 2.5
[10:41:07] * JT-Shop wonders if nurbs is better in 2.7???
[10:42:19] <JT-Shop> nope nurbs sucks for plasma even 2.7
[10:42:29] <JT-Shop> does ttt 3 use only lines and arcs?
[10:42:56] <_methods> mmmm bloody mary's and crab cake eggs benedict
[10:43:03] <_methods> nap time now
[10:43:28] <archivist> JT-Shop, yes I think so
[10:48:25] <JT-Shop> I'll have to try and get ttt 3 working on the plasma
[10:50:50] <JT-Shop> in the mean time I've got that job done!
[10:52:03] <JT-Shop> now on to more pressing jobs like cup holders lol
[10:53:36] <archivist> machine some round tuits for me while out are at it
[10:55:04] <JT-Shop> I saw one at the coin store the other day but forgot to purchase it
[10:55:46] <JT-Shop> oh I better pack up the shipments for Monday first
[10:56:15] <cradek> JT-Shop: what sucks about the nurbs?
[10:56:45] <JT-Shop> it runs at about 1/2 to 1/3 the speed of lines and arcs
[10:57:00] <JT-Shop> F60 and I get 25-35 on a nurb
[10:57:07] <JT-Shop> IPM
[10:57:37] <JT-Shop> as soon as it hits a line its going 60IPM
[10:58:06] <cradek> I'm surprised because they decompose right away into arcs
[10:58:11] <JT-Shop> these are 3" tall letters so it should not have a problem making 60IPM
[10:59:04] <cradek> it still does it in 2.7? might be an actual bug then
[10:59:09] <cradek> argh I have to run
[10:59:23] <cradek> if you think it's a bug please file a bug with a how-to-reproduce
[11:00:47] <JT-Shop> yes I tested it in 2.7 and it ran slow... but I didn't test the same file
[11:05:59] <JT-Shop> tested with the same file and slow on nurbs and correct on lines
[11:48:59] <t12> plc programmign is much more annoying than anticipated
[11:55:01] <_methods> it's very logical lol
[11:55:39] <JT-Shop> it's really simple to program a plc if you know the simple rule
[11:56:06] <t12> teleport yourself into 1940
[11:56:10] <t12> in a bucket of relays and lamps
[11:56:13] <_methods> no follow rules
[11:56:30] <_methods> something software "engineers" can't seem to bring themselves to do
[11:56:45] <JT-Shop> t12, what kind of PLC are you programming?
[11:56:59] <t12> mitsubish melsec-q
[11:57:38] <JT-Shop> been a long time since I programmed a mitsu melsec
[11:57:40] <t12> more just trying to wonder around the system and make sense of it
[11:57:48] <t12> have some servo drives that take no step/dir
[11:57:59] <t12> but theres a positioning module that does do step/dir to them
[11:58:12] <JT-Shop> does it still use a dos based programmer?
[11:58:14] <t12> for whatever reason it cannot/will not comm with the servo drive tho
[11:58:17] <t12> nah its windows
[11:58:22] <t12> gx configurator/gx developer
[11:58:39] <_methods> yeah that gx developer program is kinda wonky
[11:58:41] <JT-Shop> ah, told you it's been a while since I touched one of those
[11:58:50] <t12> unclear if i need to have the plc do some handshaking with the pos controller
[11:58:54] <t12> before it will wake up and see the servos
[11:59:03] <_methods> i just had to reladder out hydmech saw
[11:59:07] <t12> or if i should be able to directly mess with the servos via configurator
[11:59:18] <t12> with a null plc program
[12:00:01] <_methods> i've never tried to manually activate servos through gxconfigurator/developer
[12:00:06] <t12> ultimate goal is really to reverse engineer sscnet i think
[12:00:17] <t12> but need stimulus/response data to do so
[12:01:34] <t12> i have a feeling i'm missing something silly though
[12:03:39] <t12> maybe the sscnet if on the positoning module is blown or something
[12:11:59] <furrywolf> wtf? I got a check for $86 from state fund. a dividend on my premium payment, or something like that.
[12:13:46] <furrywolf> normally every time I open anything from them, it's another unexpected and utterly incomprehensible bill that has to be paid within ten days or they cancel my policy. now they send me a check, with an equally incomprehensible form.
[12:16:43] * furrywolf is very tempted to spend it on a BS Atelier Lines Paris, but probably should be responsible and not spend unexpected money on toys, no matter how tempting it is
[12:43:25] <Mattx> archivist, what do you use tour xy micro for?
[12:43:32] <Mattx> your *
[12:44:03] <Mattx> I mean, is it part of something bigger or just a computer controller microscope?
[12:44:03] <archivist> I use it for measuring gears etc
[12:44:08] <Mattx> oh, ok
[12:44:49] <archivist> currently manual but thinking of adding linuxcnc drive to it
[12:45:23] <Mattx> do you have a photo of it? I'm building my own this week but I don't think slides will be precise enough
[12:45:58] <Mattx> the movement will be limited to 1cm or so
[12:46:10] <archivist> just built mk2 measuring machine which is
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=travelling+microscope on top of
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[12:46:37] <archivist> first one has micrometer movements
[12:46:55] * archivist goes upstairs to take pics
[12:47:15] <Mattx> thanks archivist!
[12:51:13] <zeeshan> man
[12:51:19] <zeeshan> i cant figure out this bronze nonsense
[12:51:19] <zeeshan> lol
[12:53:25] <zeeshan> so assuming it's just as bad as stainless for work hardening
[12:53:47] <zeeshan> my process of drilling was center drill, then 1/4" drill, then 5/16" drill
[12:53:59] <zeeshan> these happened fairly okay without much drama (still required a lot of feed)
[12:54:03] <zeeshan> more than steel
[12:54:41] <zeeshan> but when iwent to the 7/16" drill, it just did not wanna go through. the only thing i can think is -- my uncut chip thickness was 1/16" -- and this would be how thick the work hardened layer was
[12:55:05] <adb> sry, youtube is down for you too ?
[12:56:51] <_methods> hahah bronze is a bastard
[12:56:58] <zeeshan> edude
[12:56:58] <_methods> kerosene is your friend
[12:57:01] <zeeshan> i had to sharpen drill
[12:57:06] <zeeshan> like 8x
[12:57:12] <zeeshan> and broke 3 7/16 drill bits
[12:57:13] <zeeshan> lol
[12:57:30] <zeeshan> i tried 5/16" carbide vs 5/16" hss
[12:57:32] <_methods> what are you using for coolant
[12:57:36] <zeeshan> and the carbide didnt require must feed
[12:57:43] <zeeshan> i was using cutting oil - sulphur based
[12:57:53] <zeeshan> *must = much
[12:58:14] <_methods> well i use kerosene when i'm just tryin to git'r'dun with bronze
[12:58:43] <_methods> but otherwise you need to get your drill geometry right and correct tooling
[12:59:03] <zeeshan> what is it supposed to be
[12:59:08] <zeeshan> for drill geometry
[12:59:11] <_methods> i use stainless steel geometry
[12:59:15] <zeeshan> isnt that 118 deg
[12:59:17] <_methods> what 120deg point?
[12:59:27] <zeeshan> yea my grind is 120 deg
[12:59:47] <zeeshan> the bronze was so unexpected
[12:59:51] <zeeshan> he was supposed to give me copper
[12:59:55] <zeeshan> and it ended up being bronze.
[13:00:01] <_methods> crusty old machinist taught me to put like an extra relief on the tip
[13:00:08] <_methods> like a radius back cut
[13:00:17] <zeeshan> my drill grinder has 3 settings
[13:00:22] <zeeshan> 6, 12, 18 degree clearance
[13:00:24] <zeeshan> its set to 12
[13:00:25] <_methods> i used to get him to grind the drills for me lol
[13:01:11] <_methods> that face mill you have with those diamond shaped inserts works best for getting agood finish in bronze too
[13:01:32] <zeeshan> i was just turning these
[13:01:45] <archivist> Mattx,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_04_19_Citizen/IMG_1879.JPG is the current xy
[13:02:05] <_methods> archivist can probably help you more than me
[13:02:10] <_methods> that's his material area
[13:02:28] <zeeshan> hes the one whos like its work hardening
[13:02:30] <_methods> i hate brass/bronze/copper
[13:02:32] <zeeshan> but doesnt know if its as bad as stainless
[13:02:36] <zeeshan> brass dude
[13:02:44] <zeeshan> i did the same thing but smaller scale in brass
[13:02:51] <zeeshan> it took 45 min to do both parts
[13:02:59] <zeeshan> where as the same parts in this whaterver bronze material
[13:03:05] <zeeshan> took me 5 hours to do!
[13:03:12] <zeeshan> the drilling part
[13:03:12] <_methods> hahah
[13:03:26] <zeeshan> i had to finish the job for today , couldnt go buy caride drill in the right size
[13:03:49] <zeeshan> brass is softer than aluminum
[13:03:50] <zeeshan> to drill
[13:03:55] <zeeshan> but the chips are annoying
[13:04:07] <zeeshan> they come out like powder almost
[13:04:12] <zeeshan> cause i guess of the lead content?
[13:04:22] <archivist> brass needs the drill modifying to stop grabbing
[13:04:43] <zeeshan> i didnt notice any issues..
[13:04:57] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/11S9H
[13:05:09] <zeeshan> 2nd last image = brass
[13:05:10] <archivist> try sheet, it races up the flutes to the chuck
[13:05:13] <zeeshan> last image = weird bronze
[13:06:00] <archivist> baaaaah direct links in imgur, busted for my browser
[13:06:07] <zeeshan> lol
[13:06:16] <Mattx> archivist, nice! so you build gears with this?
[13:06:21] <_methods> hahah he's making a yoho
[13:06:25] <zeeshan> rofl
[13:06:28] <zeeshan> pretty much
[13:06:35] <zeeshan> to my it looks like sexy toys.
[13:06:37] <Mattx> my use case is a lot simplier, I think I can use two screws to build this xy table
[13:06:38] <zeeshan> my =me
[13:06:41] <archivist> Mattx, measure, I make with other tools
[13:06:52] <_methods> yeah that's what yoho is
[13:07:05] <_methods> a contraption that bends you over so you can suck your own dick
[13:07:06] <_methods> lol
[13:07:10] <_methods> or shove your head in your ass
[13:07:48] <zeeshan> LOL
[13:08:01] <_methods> well technically you're making a yoho
[13:08:02] <_methods> hahahah
[13:08:20] <_methods> i have no idea if a yoho is real
[13:08:26] <_methods> but it's a standing joke at work
[13:08:33] <_methods> when we have to do something stupid
[13:08:39] <_methods> everyone yells go get the yoho
[13:08:45] <zeeshan> hahah
[13:08:51] <Mattx> something like this
http://www.foamlinx.com/xy1a.jpg
[13:08:52] <archivist> Mattx, the base xy is from a toolmakers setting machine, the old optics were blind
[13:09:28] <archivist> linuxcnc can control that
[13:26:07] <archivist> and added to search index
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[13:39:55] <zeeshan> archivist: you have fasncy machines
[13:39:55] <zeeshan> :)
[13:40:27] <archivist> hooooomeeee
[13:40:50] <archivist> you got a Mikron....sniff
[13:42:26] <archivist> actually the citizen seems to work nicely, got it running just before I got the sigma pitch measuring machine
[13:42:27] <zeeshan> i love mikron!
[13:42:41] <zeeshan> dont you have a tool room mill?
[13:42:44] <zeeshan> i thought you did
[13:43:41] <archivist> no
[13:43:49] <zeeshan> you have a horizontal mill
[13:44:04] <archivist> a dead one, needs a new vfd
[13:45:41] <archivist> the vfd I got for that got used for the hobbing machine
[13:46:57] <zeeshan> hwo much hp motor
[13:47:19] <archivist> 2hp iirc
[14:26:33] <archivist> zeeshan, bit over priced
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilger-Watts-Precision-Engineering-Level-Model-TB9-5-12-Long-Good-Condition-/400905341913
[14:34:49] <t12> hum all i can can come up with is that this positoning controller is shot
[14:35:04] <t12> can see TX signal from it, but both drives i've tried respond with nothing
[14:45:58] <zeeshan> beyond my budget :[
[14:46:06] <zeeshan> especially with this exchange rate
[15:57:27] <robinsz> dudes ...
[15:59:17] <malcom2073> Where's your car?
[15:59:55] <andypugh> Ho Robin
[16:00:49] <andypugh> robinsz: Did you watch the MotoGP?
[16:01:07] <robinsz> was it on TV?
[16:02:11] <andypugh> Yes, or available live in Argentina.
[16:02:38] <andypugh> But you need BT-sport.
[16:09:53] <robinsz> I dont have a TV :)
[16:10:28] <robinsz> tbh watching bike racign doesnt do it for me, and I'm too old to be falling off those things anymore
[16:10:41] <andypugh> It shouldn’t appear here. But it will.
https://www.dailymotion.com/CBM-RACING
[16:10:56] <robinsz> I spent the day messign with the Wayfarer, writing some code
[16:11:05] <robinsz> and re-finishign the stock on a shotgun
[16:11:27] <andypugh> Wayfarer?
[16:11:33] <robinsz> dinghy
[16:12:04] <andypugh> Ah, right. I spent the day riding back from Hay-on-Wye and getting rather cold in the process.
[16:12:24] <robinsz> it was a little chilly
[16:12:33] <robinsz> if you come past worcester ...
[16:12:40] <robinsz> you are always welcome for tea
[16:12:48] <robinsz> well, past Bewdley anyway
[16:13:14] <andypugh> I think I would have to be fairly lost to pass Worcested in the way from Hay on Wye to Essex :)
[16:13:40] <robinsz> well, yes
[16:13:55] <robinsz> you came back down the M50?
[16:14:21] <andypugh> Hmm, actually Google maps suggests going via Worcester and the M40…
[16:14:26] <robinsz> yes
[16:14:46] <robinsz> hay to New Radnor
[16:14:51] <robinsz> then A40 to Worcester
[16:14:57] <robinsz> north, turn right
[16:15:05] <andypugh> But I actually go via Ledbury, Witney, Bicester and Aylesbury to minimise M25
[16:15:44] <robinsz> well, whatever, you are always welcome should you pass this way
[16:17:00] <andypugh> Thanks.
[16:31:46] <Deejay> gn8
[16:37:57] <JT-Shop> I see I need to work on my post processor for G33.1... it thinks it is cycle
[16:43:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you get your engraving figured out?
[16:43:49] <JT-Shop> yea, lol Onshrud emailed me and said don't do it the tool will melt
[16:43:51] <Tom_itx> seems you might be having similar weather as here..
[16:44:00] <Tom_itx> hah
[16:44:07] <Tom_itx> what material?
[16:45:09] <JT-Shop> 1215
[16:46:20] <Tom_itx> is that low carbon steel?
[16:47:37] <JT-Shop> easy to machine low carbon but no added lead like the 12L15
[16:49:10] <Tom_itx> did you figure out how to run both your cnc's at once or is that still an issue for the converter?
[16:52:02] <JT-Shop> I just waited till the VMC was done then ran the lathe
[16:53:59] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: how is your lost wax casting coming along?
[16:54:58] <CaptHindsight> I need to build an oven large enough for a laptop
[16:56:21] <CaptHindsight> https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/weekend-diversion-zooming-into-a-fractal-975c80636cf0
[16:58:57] <JT-Shop> pretty slow, I finally melted some lead the other day and kinda got familiar with the furnace
[16:59:21] <JT-Shop> need to build some tongs for the crucible so I can progress to aluminum
[17:07:57] <SpeedEvil> I got my block of insulant
[17:08:02] <SpeedEvil> For making a teeny kiln
[17:08:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CALCIUM-SILICATE-BOARD-1000C-SKAMOL-NARROWBOAT-STOVES-215x1000x65mm-Misc-/251902006236?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aa68793dc
[17:09:39] <SpeedEvil> I think I can do ~150mm cube or so with this. Which is a good start.
[17:11:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Halogen-Bulb-BLV-Licht-und-750W-Hight-lumen-output-189mm-Lighting-/371153792105?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item566a7d6c69 - 'element'
[17:30:06] <andypugh> SpeedEvil:
http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Tools
[17:30:19] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: Is that enough power?
[17:31:02] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: yes - that's my second 'to be constructed' kiln.
[17:31:27] <SpeedEvil> The above mentioned one is a prototype for a rather larger glass fusing kiln eventually.
[17:32:10] <SpeedEvil> The round one is intended to be gas-tight and argon filled
[17:32:26] <SpeedEvil> well - not gas tight - but argon filled, which implies...
[17:34:52] <andypugh> I made a furnace using 4 x halogen bulbs once as an experiment when I was a metallurgiist.
[17:35:13] <andypugh> It sort-of worked except that keeping the electrical terminals cool enough was difficult.
[17:35:25] <SpeedEvil> yeah - there are special 'hot' terminal ones
[17:35:45] <SpeedEvil> But I'm assuming I'll need little sleeves over the end to the outside, and insulators over the top of them
[17:36:03] <SpeedEvil> (as I'm too cheap to buy the proper ones)
[17:37:01] <JT-Shop> now I need a way to punch a hole or 3 in some velcro strips
[17:37:15] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Build a laser head for the plasma
[17:37:16] <SpeedEvil> Heated thing
[17:37:17] <SpeedEvil> melty
[17:37:30] <pcw_home> arch punch
[17:37:40] <SpeedEvil> yeah, or that.
[17:37:51] <SpeedEvil> If you're bored, you could try the drill press
[17:37:54] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:37:59] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: I think I would forget the halogen elements actually, and just get some nichrome wire.
[17:38:27] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: I probably agree - though someone did make a brick kiln with them
[17:38:48] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: if they can be made to work well enough, they could make a very nice compact 'turn key' kit.
[17:39:02] <JT-Shop> arch punch?
[17:39:06] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: paper
[17:39:15] <JT-Shop> oh
[17:39:17] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: For punching holes in paper to fit in a lever arch file
[17:39:35] <andypugh> You get a lot of nichrome wire for the price of a halogen bulb
[17:39:48] <JT-Shop> I have some nichrome wire
[17:39:59] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: One whole pound.
[17:40:05] <SpeedEvil> (the halogen bulbs)
[17:40:25] <SpeedEvil> I'd really like some SiC elements
[17:40:31] <SpeedEvil> But those are more annoying to source
[17:40:53] <JT-Shop> hmm I found a 13/64" punch for $8 on mcmaster
[17:40:55] <andypugh> One problem with halogen bulbs is that the way they work is the halogen gas gettering the evaoporated metal off of the cold quartz and re-depositing on the hot element. If the glass is in a hot environment then that effect is rather reduced.
[17:41:33] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: yes - however mitigated by lowering the operating power - and the fact that I pretty much don't care once they hit ~20-30 hour life.
[17:41:45] <SpeedEvil> As by that time the electricity cost dominates.
[17:43:29] * JT-Shop needs to go spatchcock the chicken
[17:43:53] <SpeedEvil> (and yes, I know that they may not even hit that) They are a self-supporting 'turn key' heating element that's cheap, heats up really fast, and is at least potentially immune to high temperatures. They've got lots of potential downsides - but the upsides make them interesting at least
[17:44:48] <SpeedEvil> And they're in the right form factor I could possibly just swap in a SiC element if I get bored with screwing around.
[17:45:42] <_methods> best way to cook a chicken fo sho
[17:47:04] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: Yes, all those reasons are why I decided to try it.
[17:48:00] <SpeedEvil> I'm planning on keeping the ends to ~150C or so.
[17:48:49] <andypugh> Well, let us know how it goes.
[17:48:56] <andypugh> (Time to sleep for me)
[17:49:08] <SpeedEvil> night
[17:55:21] <JT-Shop> yea the Spyder passenger cup holder is finally done
[17:55:49] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: have a link to your store?
[18:00:49] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/spyderstore
[18:04:10] <_methods> JT-Shop: did you set up the opencart store?
[18:05:44] <JT-Shop> yes
[18:07:27] <_methods> how was that?
[18:07:44] <_methods> pain in the ass?
[18:08:00] <JT-Shop> not bad really, I tried a zillion before I settled on opencart
[18:08:17] <JT-Shop> it ain't perfect for me but close enough to work
[18:08:32] <JT-Shop> the scary part is setting up paypal lol
[18:08:52] <_methods> yeah
[18:09:01] <_methods> i tried to pick one for our shop
[18:09:12] <malcom2073> opencart wasn't bad, just stay far away from zencart
[18:09:14] <_methods> we were gonna sell a few things
[18:09:17] <malcom2073> I wasted a week on that before I found opencart :/
[18:09:20] <_methods> i think i tried zencart
[18:09:30] <JT-Shop> I tried them all lol
[18:09:30] <_methods> and it was horribly painful
[18:09:51] <JT-Shop> yea zencrap sucked
[18:09:54] <malcom2073> _methods: Probably was zencart :)
[18:09:57] <_methods> the whole money thing scares the hell out of me
[18:10:01] <malcom2073> Horribly painful is exactly how I'd describe it
[18:10:09] <_methods> i'll have to try this opencart
[18:10:24] <JT-Shop> if you need help there is a forum and me
[18:10:24] <malcom2073> opencart is pretty nice
[18:10:26] <malcom2073> and easy to set up
[18:10:31] <_methods> i was just going to set up an amazon/ebay store front for the shop so i didn' have to mess with it
[18:11:27] <JT-Shop> I do most of my selling on a spyder forum
[18:11:42] <JT-Shop> what kind of stuff are you selling?
[18:12:24] <_methods> ah whatever my insane boss comes up with
[18:12:27] <_methods> grills
[18:12:30] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:12:30] <_methods> oyster cookers
[18:12:35] <_methods> oyster knives
[18:12:45] <_methods> spidermans
[18:12:47] <_methods> junk
[18:12:58] <JT-Shop> it helps to be active on a forum that likes that kind of stuff
[18:12:58] <_methods> he always has some insane plan
[18:13:05] <JT-Shop> you sell a lot more that way
[18:13:27] <_methods> the good thing is i get to do that stuff at work so whenever i want to do it myself i already did all the legwork at work hehe
[18:13:38] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:14:22] * JT-Shop heads to the cocina
[18:14:36] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:50:27] <malcom2073> TekniQue: Saw your post about the homemade dyno, that was you, right?
[19:53:03] <TekniQue> correct
[19:56:15] <TekniQue> malcom2073: and I'm currently having a bit of a fight with the software I wrote that interfaces with it
[19:56:16] <malcom2073> TekniQue: Very awesome
[19:56:28] <malcom2073> I hope someday to be able to do that
[19:56:41] <malcom2073> mainly for ecu development more than engine development heh
[19:57:21] <TekniQue> it's using a C++ library to parse mathematical expressions on the PC side, so I can plug in a sensor and declare its transfer function on run time, very neat
[19:57:29] <malcom2073> Nice
[19:57:33] <TekniQue> however, the library isn't very good
[19:57:35] <malcom2073> heh
[19:57:44] <TekniQue> it's not thread safe, not re-entrant, etc
[19:57:56] <malcom2073> Yeah
[19:58:00] <TekniQue> declaring a new instance of it on the stack works
[19:58:07] <TekniQue> except it takes fucking forever
[19:58:26] <TekniQue> and I ran out of CPU on my laptop with only a few of those user defined variables running
[19:58:32] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:58:45] <malcom2073> Doesn't seem like the sort of thing that should eat lots of cpu
[19:58:50] <malcom2073> how often is data coming back?
[19:58:53] <TekniQue> meaning I used up all of my cpu power just firing up and freeing shit on the stack
[19:58:58] <malcom2073> lol
[19:58:59] <malcom2073> ah yeah that'll do that
[19:59:05] <TekniQue> it shouldn
[19:59:07] <TekniQue> shouldn't
[19:59:29] <TekniQue> the comms loop is at 100Hz currently
[19:59:37] <malcom2073> Yeah it shouldn't, not at that rate
[19:59:41] <TekniQue> and with maybe 10 user defined vars
[19:59:55] <TekniQue> that means 1000 calls per second which is nothing
[20:00:07] <malcom2073> yeah
[20:00:16] <TekniQue> if I remove just that part from the code, make the parser function just return 42
[20:00:21] <TekniQue> the app uses 0-1% cpu
[20:00:55] <malcom2073> lol
[20:01:18] <TekniQue> and if I severely limit the usefulness of the math parser by blockin re-entrance and running a static instance, it'll parse most of my expressions
[20:01:24] <TekniQue> and still use 0-1% cpu
[20:01:32] <malcom2073> heh
[20:02:07] <TekniQue> it's just the act of creating and destroying instance of the parser class that takes a bloody big amount of resources
[20:02:28] <malcom2073> Heh bad lib
[20:03:03] <TekniQue> well there seems to be short pickings of C/C++ libraries for this very elemental functionality
[20:03:18] <malcom2073> What is it, transfer function parsing?
[20:03:26] <TekniQue> yeah, basic shit
[20:03:29] <malcom2073> yeah
[20:03:34] <malcom2073> I wound up writing my own, but it's inefficient as shit
[20:04:13] <TekniQue> parse a string that says "boost / barometer"
[20:04:36] <TekniQue> figure out that boost and barometer are two variables, invoke a callback to get the values of those variables
[20:04:43] <TekniQue> and figure out that / means divide
[20:04:44] <malcom2073> Oh, that's easy
[20:04:56] <malcom2073> That's what EMStudio does for it's gauges lol
[20:04:56] <TekniQue> very elemental
[20:05:11] <TekniQue> I started writing my own library when I did this a couple years ago
[20:05:15] <malcom2073> yeah
[20:05:17] <TekniQue> or was it 3 years ago
[20:05:35] <TekniQue> but then I figured, this is such elemental stuff there must be hundreds of libraries already
[20:06:06] <TekniQue> and well here I am
[20:06:55] <malcom2073> heh
[20:08:56] <TekniQue> either way, the library works beautifully, it just takes too long to initialise a new class instance
[20:10:18] <TekniQue> and I only found out today because until today I hadn't tried to use it for more than a couple of vars at a time
[20:10:39] <malcom2073> heh
[20:20:41] <TekniQue> well, I've made an ugly workaround
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[22:38:44] <tjtr33> anyone here rent space in a shop? (i'm looking for a way to get 240V 3ph for a single machine, temporarily)
[22:39:23] <furrywolf> static converter, rotary converter, vfd, parking a generator out back and running a cordset in...
[22:39:24] <tjtr33> 10kva, not for motors or spindles
[22:40:09] <tjtr33> outside of the gas gen, those require large single phase to get smaller 3phase i think
[22:40:37] <furrywolf> they're all >90% efficient, but yes, they'll require a substantial single-phase hookup.
[22:40:48] <tjtr33> 10 kva ? :)
[22:41:00] <furrywolf> ?
[22:41:19] <tjtr33> hmm, i was wondering how much i might spend t get a bit of floor space in a shop
[22:41:34] <Tom_itx> they'll want a lease
[22:41:34] <tjtr33> i need 10kva at 240V 3ph
[22:41:50] <zeeshan> tjtr33: thats only 42 A
[22:41:52] <zeeshan> 3 ph :D
[22:41:57] <tjtr33> i'd pop for 6mo up front if not too dear. wondersing about how much
[22:42:08] <tjtr33> right near 40
[22:42:09] <zeeshan> ive been going to a maker space
[22:42:14] <furrywolf> oh, I mis-understood your question. I thought you had a rental shop with only single-phase, and were asking what you could do to get 3-phase, without needing to modify the shop.
[22:42:15] <zeeshan> well that means
[22:42:21] <zeeshan> you just need like 1.414 * 40A
[22:42:31] <zeeshan> vfd =D
[22:42:39] <zeeshan> wrong multiplier
[22:42:42] <tjtr33> yah, not for USA home wiring
[22:43:07] <zeeshan> 1.732
[22:43:12] <zeeshan> wow i cant believe i forgot tha tnumber
[22:43:16] <zeeshan> sqrt 3 =/
[22:43:36] * furrywolf has done very little work with 3-phase, so never remembers anything
[22:43:47] <tjtr33> i have a place now, but its 50+ miles each way, and the gas & time is eating up hrs & money that could be better used
[22:43:59] <zeeshan> tjtr33: honestly if i were in your boat
[22:44:01] <zeeshan> i'd save that money
[22:44:05] <zeeshan> and get another machine :-)
[22:44:13] <zeeshan> on top of your current machine!
[22:44:30] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i saw a fancy 6 phase system
[22:44:41] <zeeshan> "protoype"
[22:44:46] <tjtr33> so both would be 50+ miles away. i dont get it
[22:44:49] <zeeshan> its not practical :)
[22:45:35] <furrywolf> my "shop" is just a rental storage unit...
[22:46:17] <furrywolf> only a single 15A 120V outlet, but I can't really use any of my larger equipment there anyway.
[22:46:51] <tjtr33> furrywolf clever space idea tho. i was hoping for a disused factory in chicago's rust belt
[22:47:20] <tjtr33> someone here was using airplane hangars
[22:47:30] <tjtr33> oh well, ths all!
[22:47:33] <tjtr33> thx
[22:47:51] <zeeshan> ssi
[22:47:55] <zeeshan> http://www.thinkhaus.org/
[22:47:58] <zeeshan> they found a kilm
[22:48:02] <zeeshan> we're trying to restore it
[22:48:08] <zeeshan> and use it to melt aluminum and brass
[22:48:11] <zeeshan> its rated for 1000C
[22:49:05] * furrywolf wants to start a makerspace
[22:50:08] <zeeshan> i thought it was lame at first
[22:50:12] <zeeshan> but there are a lot of cool people
[22:50:17] <zeeshan> with different ideas that go there
[22:52:22] <furrywolf> I barely have enough time and money to keep my house together, much less trying to start a major project like that.
[22:52:23] <roycroft> i have an older version of this:
[22:52:24] <roycroft> http://products.cressmfg.com/item/industrial-furnaces/models-c-601-and-c401h/pn-1016?
[22:52:45] <roycroft> i got it for heat treating metal
[22:52:48] <zeeshan> im helping fund it
[22:52:51] <zeeshan> for exactly that
[22:52:52] <zeeshan> lol
[22:52:54] <zeeshan> heat treating
[22:53:32] <tjtr33> hamilton ont. cool, i used to do centrifugal casting. small stuff, spring wound caster.
[22:57:37] <roycroft> i was just reading an article about making bagpipes
[22:57:47] <zeeshan> tjtr33: where are you
[22:58:05] <roycroft> it claims that the chanter bore must be accurate to 0.0005" or it will not work properly
[22:58:16] <roycroft> the chanter is made of african blackwood or rosewood
[22:58:54] <roycroft> although both woods are quite dimensionally stable as far as woods go, i find it hard to believe that one must hold the bore to five tenths
[22:59:12] <roycroft> considering especially that there's a lot of moisture involved in playing bagpiples
[22:59:16] <roycroft> bagpipes
[22:59:21] <tjtr33> zeeshan, elgin il. i know hamilton by working cnc repair from windsor to toronto
[22:59:32] <zeeshan> ah cool :D
[22:59:37] <roycroft> does that dimensional accuracy seem odd to others?
[22:59:41] <furrywolf> considering especially they used to be made by hand, with primitive tools...
[22:59:43] <zeeshan> roycroft: yes it seems very odd
[22:59:59] <roycroft> i could see 0.050"
[23:00:06] <zeeshan> someone misplaced a decimal
[23:00:06] <furrywolf> that tolerance is absurd.
[23:00:07] <zeeshan> :D
[23:00:30] <tjtr33> no, its precision is the sound, and very intuitive when right, not measured right, worked till it sounds right
[23:00:31] <roycroft> i'd be impressed if someone could hold five tenths in wood
[23:01:59] <furrywolf> five tenths, as in, half an inch? that's doable. :P
[23:02:26] * furrywolf doesn't think 5 tenthousandths is remotely feasable
[23:02:41] <roycroft> the wood fibres are thicker than that
[23:08:10] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/gallery/d2Hvkzt
[23:08:37] <Tecan> sith lord holding cheetah ?
[23:08:41] <zeeshan> lol
[23:08:47] <zeeshan> i want one
[23:10:21] <furrywolf> lol
[23:11:32] <Tecan> thought it was from the new starwars
[23:11:43] <zeeshan> racist
[23:12:00] <Tecan> ?
[23:12:14] <Tecan> seriously did tho
[23:12:31] <furrywolf> huh?
[23:12:32] <Tecan> bad timing i guess
[23:12:52] <Tecan> first glance
[23:12:55] <zeeshan> =]
[23:17:50] <zeeshan> my brain isnt work correctly :/
[23:18:40] <furrywolf> too easy to be worth it.
[23:19:07] <zeeshan> my encoder is connected at the spindle motor, so when i command 120hz, the motor spins say 1600rpm. the motor encoder will say 1600rpm, but my spindle is spinning at 3150 rpm
[23:19:28] <LeelooMinai> Damn, I almost got a heart attack...
[23:19:43] <zeeshan> how do i let linuxcnc know that when i do s3150 , that it spins at 1600 rpm :/
[23:19:51] <zeeshan> forgot which scaling factor it was
[23:19:53] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: ?
[23:20:36] <LeelooMinai> I was measuring my table flatness with an indicator attached to punch and inserted into a spindle...
[23:21:19] <LeelooMinai> And wrote the code to step over the table and instead by accident launched the damn default code in linuxcnc and it turned the spindle on...
[23:21:29] <zeeshan> nice
[23:22:01] <furrywolf> heh, the person I bought my sherline from demoed it to me... by flipping the spindle on with the chuck bars still in.
[23:22:28] * LeelooMinai wonders if an indicator works after doing 16k RPM
[23:22:41] <zeeshan> LOL
[23:22:43] <XXCoder> heys
[23:22:55] <XXCoder> assuming it stays together
[23:23:13] <Cromaglious_> time to put a lock out on the spindle so linuxcnc can try to turn it on
[23:23:30] <Cromaglious_> I have one on my machine
[23:24:08] <LeelooMinai> I probably should disable it for this test
[23:24:09] <furrywolf> neither of my machines has software spindle control
[23:24:30] <XXCoder> mine wont either
[23:24:41] <XXCoder> edge router lol
[23:24:46] <zeeshan> borin
[23:24:50] <RyanS> haha, cool
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-IN-BOX-GTCP-GARRETT-AIRESEARCH-AIRCRAFT-APU-GAS-TURBINE-ENGINE-/151617464299?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item234d1ae7eb&vxp=mtr
[23:24:52] <zeeshan> software control FTW !
[23:25:04] <XXCoder> RyanS: cheap
[23:25:06] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I can lock the spindle from linuxcnc somehow?
[23:25:12] <furrywolf> I'll probably toss a ssr in the shoptask box one of these days, but I'll be keeping the manual spindle power switches.
[23:25:41] <LeelooMinai> I setup mine to be modbus controlled
[23:25:55] <Cromaglious_> put a power switch in the spindle power line
[23:26:33] <LeelooMinai> Well, this will be problematic as linuxcnc will start screaming it lost communication
[23:26:50] <LeelooMinai> I think...
[23:27:56] <LeelooMinai> Good the indicator stayed there and did not fly in some random direction:)
[23:28:30] <furrywolf> unlike chuck keys, which always fly straight towards your face. :)
[23:28:45] <XXCoder> chuck keys hate humans
[23:28:51] <furrywolf> and wolves!
[23:29:07] <XXCoder> hmm a question
[23:29:14] <LeelooMinai> On my drill I have a chuck key with a pin on spring, so it cannot be forgotten:)
[23:29:30] <XXCoder> I have bases for my nema 23s, but frame has screws to hold bearing down
[23:29:40] <furrywolf> I hate those. hate, hate, hate. I'd much rather have to remember the chuck key than to fight to use it.
[23:29:41] <XXCoder> and screws block bases :( not sure what to do
[23:30:09] <furrywolf> the one on my drill press is simple... it's attached to a 1ft string. even if you do forget it, it'll either fly one foot, or stall the spindle.
[23:31:06] <RyanS> it flies towards the face of only those who neglect to take it out :)
[23:31:26] <XXCoder> RyanS: it will find a way anyway
[23:32:38] <Cromaglious_> droooooollll APU would be nice... 139# hr... hmmm might get a bit pricey to run
[23:33:00] <furrywolf> I'm pretty good about not leaving mine in, but people I've worked with... not so much.
[23:35:00] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder, will rotating the base get it to clear obstruction? or at least move obstruction to a place you can mod the mount
[23:35:11] <XXCoder> it worked for one part
[23:35:17] <XXCoder> other 2 nope
[23:35:25] <Cromaglious_> pictures?
[23:35:35] <XXCoder> though I wonder if only one screw would be enough to hold bearing in.
[23:35:38] <XXCoder> sure a sec
[23:36:08] <zeeshan> what do you guys use for g-code for stopping a program
[23:36:09] <Cromaglious_> locate pin and use the mount to do the holding?
[23:36:16] <zeeshan> to say move a clamp for a fixture
[23:36:20] <RyanS> turbo diesel generator might be cheaper running
[23:36:21] <zeeshan> so the end mill doesnt crash into it
[23:36:40] <cradek> zeeshan: that's M0 and M1
[23:37:23] <zeeshan> but mdi isnt enabled
[23:37:30] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, haven;t need to yet so have memorized that yet
[23:37:33] <zeeshan> so i need to move the tool somewhere before i call those
[23:37:33] <zeeshan> i guess?
[23:37:47] <Cromaglious_> s/have/haven't/
[23:38:15] <Cromaglious_> yep
[23:38:51] <Cromaglious_> always make a subroutine for it
[23:39:02] <Cromaglious_> bbiab ~~~~ smokey
[23:42:12] <RyanS> muhuhuh 600 amps
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260KW-Gas-Turbine-Generator-standby-emergency-power-outage-remote-farm-/301599666066?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4638bdaf92
[23:43:58] <furrywolf> that's surprisingly cheap.
[23:44:41] <RyanS> yeah, but fuel cost?
[23:46:24] <XXCoder> forgot what site has good image temp yupload
[23:46:27] <XXCoder> imgpaste?
[23:46:29] <furrywolf> fuel cost is small compared to the profits you can make from 260kw of grow lights... or do people elsewhere use generators for different things than they do there? :P
[23:46:53] <XXCoder> ah picpaste
[23:47:33] <furrywolf> s/do there/do here
[23:47:36] <XXCoder> Cromaglious_:
http://picpaste.com/mountproblem-HVeZH2Wg.jpg
[23:48:54] * furrywolf usually solves mounting problems with a stack of pillows
[23:49:02] <XXCoder> I suppose best way would be simply notch mount at that spot but I dont have anything to do that
[23:49:06] <XXCoder> pillows?
[23:49:15] <XXCoder> ah
[23:50:03] <Cromaglious_> looks like a bit of grinding to relieve where the screw is in the way
[23:50:08] <furrywolf> so the problem is your coupler hits the screws? space the motor mount back with a stack of washers under each corner? (and/or a nice machined spacer, depending on motivation)
[23:50:35] <furrywolf> or if it's just the mount hitting the screws, grind a little notch out of it, like crom said
[23:50:47] <RyanS> ooo yes, power consumption is how they suspect you
[23:51:09] <RyanS> go off grid haha
[23:51:11] <XXCoder> RyanS: led grow lights lol
[23:51:45] <furrywolf> you don't own a single endmill, angle grinder, round file, or other metal-removal tool?
[23:51:56] <XXCoder> I do have angle grinder but dunno where
[23:52:00] <XXCoder> been a long while.
[23:52:30] <Cromaglious_> file?
[23:52:40] <furrywolf> mark where it hits, clamp in drill press, drill screw-head sized hole?
[23:52:43] <zeeshan> http://gyazo.com/60ea7ad2a240d5023923201d5675dc6f
[23:52:44] <XXCoder> hmm thats a idea. will see how far in it does
[23:52:50] <zeeshan> me luf masterheadachecam
[23:52:55] <zeeshan> once you get used to it
[23:53:04] <XXCoder> furrywolf: that would save quite a bit of time filing it.
[23:53:06] <zeeshan> it takes like 3min to program a part
[23:53:14] <zeeshan> well a simple one
[23:54:06] * furrywolf needs to find a good cad program
[23:54:15] <zeeshan> dont you run windows
[23:54:15] <zeeshan> er
[23:54:16] <zeeshan> linux
[23:54:35] <furrywolf> yes
[23:54:38] <zeeshan> nx
[23:54:38] <zeeshan> !
[23:56:42] <furrywolf> ?
[23:58:10] <zeeshan> http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p1nf2Rip56HDm2lXQ2ZrDNq2k5yHArncjWyuFJGZSZguKwGch885j1Ws8FRkQ6xewK8-BwUufGAJO9G7_OZPkGA/Pantallazo.jpg?psid=1
[23:58:14] <zeeshan> it runs in linux
[23:58:57] <zeeshan> has a huge learning curve
[23:59:00] <zeeshan> but its so powerful
[23:59:04] <XXCoder> constrant based?
[23:59:04] <zeeshan> once you do learn it
[23:59:32] <zeeshan> parametric modeling
[23:59:35] <zeeshan> but its not just cad
[23:59:36] <zeeshan> its cad/cam/cae
[23:59:37] <Cromaglious_> wooo boubleboost has a real aloris Phase II qctp BXA on his new lathe
[23:59:47] <zeeshan> lol Cromaglious_
[23:59:55] <zeeshan> did you watch his dro install?
[23:59:56] <Cromaglious_> s/bouble/double/
