#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-04-11

[01:34:25] <Cromaglious> Computer_Barf, you still there?
[01:34:37] <Computer_Barf> yes
[01:35:01] <Cromaglious> so you're thinking about inlaying into coasters?
[01:35:08] <Computer_Barf> yes
[01:35:58] <Cromaglious> well, you need to cut you base right side up, and the inlay pieces upside down
[01:36:41] <Cromaglious> then you can use 60 degree engraver to shape the piece to sharp points
[01:37:23] <Computer_Barf> are you talking about doing two layers?
[01:37:50] <Computer_Barf> like two pieces of wood and glueing them together? im not quite following what your syaing
[01:39:42] <Cromaglious> the base would be a piece engraved to accept inlay pieces and any inlay pieces would be cut to fit into the engraved places on the base. once glued in you can run a finish pass over everything to get the surface smooth or snad them down
[01:39:50] <Cromaglious> s/snad/sand/
[01:41:00] <Computer_Barf> damn i wish i was booted to my windows os so I could show you the rendering of the coaster
[01:41:26] <Cromaglious> to make a jigsaw type piece, you'd be limited to end mill long enough to go through the entire piece.
[01:42:23] <Computer_Barf> will you be here for a little bit, I can get you an image of what I am trying to make
[01:42:41] <Cromaglious> though you could probably do the same thing using engraver bits... with angled edges
[01:42:56] <Cromaglious> yeah.. or email to kf6pqz@gmail.com
[01:43:15] <Computer_Barf> k brb
[01:43:26] <Cromaglious> can't you get to your windbloz partition from linux?
[01:44:32] <Cromaglious> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[01:44:32] <Cromaglious> /dev/sda2 109990436 93242740 16747696 85% /media/Drive D
[01:50:17] <archivist> some inlay was rectangular
[01:51:58] <archivist> this one had some missing http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_04_24_Crane_clock/p4240004.jpg
[01:52:10] <Cromaglious> which using the engraver bits you can make sharp inside corners
[01:53:01] <Cromaglious> otherwise you end using a knife to cut them
[01:53:05] <archivist> square bottomed grooves not V
[01:53:52] <archivist> I wish I had before pics of that case
[01:54:45] <Cromaglious> yep square end cutters for everything except the pointed corners
[01:55:43] <archivist> it would have been hand carved probably
[01:55:43] <Cromaglious> coding the matching cuts would be a pain
[01:57:33] <archivist> the brass inlay was invisible when I first started on that clock, I couls see something in a reflection, not smooth, started cleaning.
[02:04:04] <Cromaglious> I believe it. My Grandma had a clock that was almost black, she cleaned it up and it was a nice rosewood with brass, copper and silver inlays
[02:04:27] <Cromaglious> probably made in the 1870's
[02:06:14] <Computer_Barf> ok im back
[02:06:23] <Cromaglious> yep
[02:06:35] <Cromaglious> yeppers, you is
[02:06:36] <Computer_Barf> uploading the pic
[02:06:43] <Cromaglious> ;)
[02:08:05] <Computer_Barf> http://imgur.com/XIXVrL7
[02:08:22] <Computer_Barf> so idk if you can really call it an inlay
[02:08:35] <Computer_Barf> the graphic itself is raised
[02:09:12] <archivist> carving wood needs a higher speed than a mill designed for metal , also the detail there need a very small end mill
[02:09:52] <Computer_Barf> yes I figured some of the details would be very small endmill
[02:10:09] <archivist> as a coaster, you cannot clean it properly
[02:10:11] <Cromaglious> my 0.025" end mill is only 0.120" long
[02:10:44] <Cromaglious> my 0.008" endmill is only .060" long
[02:11:05] <Computer_Barf> archivist: you mean that it gets stuff in it?
[02:11:10] <archivist> yes
[02:11:51] <Cromaglious> you cut it, the fill is with resin
[02:11:59] <Cromaglious> s/the/then/
[02:12:14] <Computer_Barf> yeah i thought about that
[02:12:34] <Computer_Barf> idk the idea of painting it black like that is to emulate a cast iron look
[02:12:37] <archivist> or make solid and print an image
[02:12:56] <Computer_Barf> its game of thrones so , trying to emulate something that could possibly exist at the fictional time
[02:13:28] <Cromaglious> you could tint the epoxy black, then sand it down to reveal the design
[02:14:46] <Cromaglious> they had lacquer
[02:15:12] <Computer_Barf> i could go into the file and make it so that the small detail lines are removed, then put them back in at a depth that a tiny endmill could do them
[02:15:50] <archivist> v carve maybe
[02:16:14] <Cromaglious> hmm 45 degree engraver bits can have a pretty sharp end. 30 degree bits are rather blunt from what I've see
[02:17:01] <Cromaglious> use a 3/32 to cut most of it, then do the detail work with a 45 degree
[02:17:21] <archivist> you need both an endmill for the deep flat and v for the detail
[02:17:24] <Computer_Barf> what was it that you were trying to explain to be before with doing one side then another?
[02:17:54] <archivist> if you inlaid it
[02:18:22] <Computer_Barf> it seems possible i could cut out the dragon from a thin bit of wood , then glue it on disks
[02:18:29] <Cromaglious> for inlay, where you cut a base to receive inlay pieces. You vcarve the sharp pointy corners, then you cut the corresponding inlay pieces upside down to fit in them
[02:18:52] <Cromaglious> that dragon wouldn't really use the technic
[02:18:56] <Computer_Barf> i was wondering if the flat parts behind the dragon would be all .. idk , swerly
[02:19:49] <Cromaglious> depends on your tramming of your machine
[02:20:23] <Cromaglious> or you use a really small ball endmill with lots and lots and lots of close passes
[02:20:29] <Computer_Barf> I notice on alot of metal parts, milling out pockets often look like that
[02:21:49] <Computer_Barf> you think a g0704 will be too slow for wood milling?
[02:22:18] <Computer_Barf> i could try to find out the ipm
[02:22:40] <Cromaglious> probably... you could get a 24K spindle and make a mount to fit it on the quill
[02:22:57] <Deejay__> moin
[02:23:24] <Computer_Barf> oh you mean the spindle speed
[02:23:36] <Cromaglious> da
[02:24:11] <Computer_Barf> i could make them in aluminum
[02:24:35] <Cromaglious> mytheral or titanium
[02:24:52] <Computer_Barf> you mean like an auxillary spindle?
[02:25:23] <Cromaglious> hmm G0704 is a mill drill or a knee mill?
[02:25:43] <Computer_Barf> mill drill
[02:26:23] <Cromaglious> aux spindle
[02:26:54] <Cromaglious> since the quill is part of the headstock which all moves up and down
[02:26:58] <Computer_Barf> well this isn't a fun realisation
[02:29:45] <Cromaglious> heh colt a Z axis to the side of the headstock to raise and lower the aux spindle
[02:29:54] <Cromaglious> s/colt/bolt/
[02:30:35] <Cromaglious> G0704 stock it only goes to 2250rpm
[02:31:17] <Cromaglious> wow $6K for a servo cnc kit from grizzly
[02:32:25] <Computer_Barf> yeah no
[02:33:21] <Computer_Barf> I think grizzley is killing their market with that kind of stuff
[02:33:21] <Cromaglious> http://www.g0704.com/projects.html RPM mods
[02:33:39] <Computer_Barf> yeah I plan on upgrading the motor and convert to belt drive
[02:33:51] <Computer_Barf> I had planned on starting out with the coasters
[02:34:04] <Computer_Barf> perhaps aluminum coasters
[02:37:49] <archivist> are the coasters for sale, if so do study on your price v manufacturing costs
[02:38:48] <Computer_Barf> well I realize its not long before china starts making something your making
[02:39:09] <Computer_Barf> so I was just going to do some lots of things that fans would like
[02:39:29] <Computer_Barf> wood would basically be free for me
[02:39:43] <Cromaglious> make a pattern out of wood, paint, sand it, leave the side slightly tapered, make a high temp silcon mold, and cast in pewter
[02:40:22] <Computer_Barf> yeah I thought about stuff like tha t
[02:40:29] <Computer_Barf> pewter is tin right?
[02:41:26] <Computer_Barf> I made another model of the stark sigel , and it had less issues with the details
[02:41:41] <Computer_Barf> the targarian dragon has a bunch of fine lines
[02:42:05] <Cromaglious> 95-99% tin | alloyed with any number of metals: copper, antimony, bismuth, silver, and lead, don't use lead.
[02:42:22] <Computer_Barf> I could cast pewter, then copper plate it
[02:43:38] <Cromaglious> 85-99%
[02:44:46] <archivist> cast pewter would look and feel right for the market probably
[02:44:56] <Computer_Barf> I realise that one must think cheap cheap cheap for manufacturing but just for making some stuff im ok with things not being super profitable to start off. I realize that if I make these, probably not long after someone will show up with a cheaper version
[02:45:49] <Computer_Barf> I have been dissolving solder off of electroncis boards with hcl. The tin oxide preticipates out after it is eaten off the boards
[02:46:52] <Cromaglious> or cast zinc
[02:47:12] <Computer_Barf> the components can then be taken off alot easier, and you can sand them to make the copper shine. I planned on cutting some shapes from the epoxy / copper boards and encapsalating them
[02:47:30] <Computer_Barf> but making those boards does leave me with a good bit of tin oxide
[02:48:30] <Computer_Barf> i wonder if copper dissolves in molten tin like how steel dissolves in molten iron
[02:48:57] <archivist> steel and iron are the same metal
[02:49:20] <Computer_Barf> yes but steel needs higher temperatures to melt on its own
[02:50:37] <Cromaglious> tin only has affinity for about 1% copper. you can add antimony to make it harder. up to about 5%
[02:50:54] <Computer_Barf> if you have molten iron, you can throw bits of steel in it, and even though you might not have the temps high enough to melt steel, they will dissolve into the iiron
[02:52:18] <Cromaglious> nice thing about zinc is you can make a steel mold and inject zinc into it for really sharp features
[02:52:21] <Computer_Barf> kinda thinking the details on that dragon probably won't last very long on a silicon mould
[02:52:53] <Computer_Barf> don't really know where i can get a bunch of zinc
[02:53:06] <archivist> scrap yard
[02:56:16] <Computer_Barf> this would bump up the price but i could make them out of brass
[02:57:30] <Computer_Barf> your thinking of how long it would take to make a nice looking one, running something two hours not making sense to sell for ten bucks
[02:57:44] <Computer_Barf> hence the casting
[02:59:00] <Computer_Barf> can you put some sort of mould release on a aluminum mould and pour epoxy in it?
[03:01:25] <Cromaglious> mold release. olive oil, pam, vaselean
[03:02:31] <Computer_Barf> so using aluminum as an epoxy mould isn't insane?
[03:02:33] <Cromaglious> again, silicon mold
[03:02:43] <Computer_Barf> yes but.. details
[03:03:11] <Cromaglious> depends on shrinkage
[03:04:53] <Cromaglious> an epoxy which cures with a very low shrinkage rate, you might be able to use a metal mold. that's what's so nice about the silicon molds. you almost don't care what the shrinkage rate is.
[03:06:13] <Cromaglious> injection molding machines cool the part just enough to let it solidify then kicks them out.
[03:06:44] <Cromaglious> doing it piece meal, you really want a flexible mold
[03:10:27] <Cromaglious> I worked at a plant which made spa parts. The mold was hot enough to let the plastic completely fill the cavity, but kool enough to let the part solidify. They had process control with a water jacket to keep the temp within a degree or so. Once the machine was up and running kicking out good parts they'd run it 3 shifts for months until it was maintenance time
[03:26:08] <Computer_Barf> ok so maybe I make one out of aluminum, then make silcon moulds, then pour pewter
[03:54:48] <renesis> computer_barf: yeah thats what its like with the parts for consumer stuff ive worked on \
[03:55:25] <renesis> get the machine to temp, run parts until they get things dialed in, usually toss a batch or three of parts, and they they do the whole run
[03:55:28] <Computer_Barf> slightly disappointing you cant pour right into aluminum
[03:57:30] <Computer_Barf> http://www.rsalberts.com/images/productdevelopment/one.gif
[04:11:49] <renesis> why cant you just do aluminum?
[04:11:56] <renesis> you just cant maintain the temps?
[04:12:41] <Computer_Barf> what do you mean
[04:12:49] <Computer_Barf> I can melt aluminum
[04:13:10] <Computer_Barf> but thats outside of what we were discussing
[04:13:44] <Computer_Barf> http://imgur.com/XIXVrL7
[04:13:49] <Computer_Barf> this is the coaster
[04:14:05] <Computer_Barf> I was going to mill it on my g0704 from wood
[04:14:22] <Computer_Barf> but it was pointed out that the rpm i would need, the mill would be too slow
[04:14:37] <Computer_Barf> so i would need an auxillary spindle to route the wood
[04:15:02] <Computer_Barf> plus the time and all the detail on it would likely make the thing take too long to do runs of them
[04:15:12] <Computer_Barf> or cut into the profit that is
[04:15:36] <Computer_Barf> so an alternate proposal was milling it in metal
[04:15:51] <Computer_Barf> then using silicon mould , and cast pewter into that
[04:16:10] <Computer_Barf> so making one master and then a bunch of copies from silicon moulds
[04:16:31] <Computer_Barf> and pewter would match the "time period" of game of thrones
[04:16:53] <Computer_Barf> other options was milling it out of brass or bronze , but that is expensive
[04:17:26] <Computer_Barf> the wood ones I was going to paint with some sort of black paint to try to imitate the look of cast iron
[04:18:59] <Computer_Barf> i was kind of surprised you couldn't mill a negative into a piece of aluminum then pour pewter into that
[04:19:18] <Computer_Barf> i mean you can do that with aluminum into iron
[04:19:26] <Computer_Barf> well, for ingots
[04:23:45] <Computer_Barf> http://www.denfordata.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1116
[04:23:56] <Computer_Barf> these people are casting pewter into mdf
[04:34:52] <XXCoder> whew finally home
[04:35:23] <XXCoder> pewder nice
[04:35:27] <XXCoder> is it cheap metal?
[04:35:47] <XXCoder> how strong is it? im pretty sure weaker than alum
[04:38:42] <XXCoder> http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/alloy_ac_pewter.htm
[04:38:45] <XXCoder> not too bad
[05:11:46] <Computer_Barf> 69 bucks for 5 lbs on ebay
[05:11:59] <XXCoder> yeah? thats even cheaper
[05:12:06] <XXCoder> dunno if will plan though lol
[05:12:22] <XXCoder> wonder what metals can be cast in mdf
[05:12:31] <XXCoder> I know some weak metals can, like lead
[05:12:43] <XXCoder> mecury well just pour it in and put mnold in freezer LOL
[05:12:50] <Computer_Barf> lol
[05:13:02] <Computer_Barf> yes pewter can be poured into mdf
[05:13:14] <Computer_Barf> but it has a texture that displeases me
[05:13:33] <XXCoder> wonder what would happen if use regular wood
[05:13:39] <XXCoder> or lamimate
[05:13:52] <XXCoder> thopugh I has a idea, for small molds anyway
[05:14:00] <Computer_Barf> silicon was being advised earlier
[05:14:03] <XXCoder> buy those $1 sample floor wood
[05:14:09] <XXCoder> use router to cut it
[05:14:26] <Computer_Barf> i unfortuntnatly don't have a router
[05:14:30] <Computer_Barf> i have a cnc mill
[05:14:40] <Computer_Barf> i thought i was going to be able to do wood
[05:14:46] <Computer_Barf> so that was the bad news of the night
[05:15:05] <XXCoder> mill would be just fine for floor samples
[05:15:10] <XXCoder> its 3"x3"
[05:15:24] <XXCoder> lowes or something always has em, for $1
[05:15:32] <Computer_Barf> no not the size, the rpm of the spindle
[05:15:33] <XXCoder> even expensive floor types like hardwood
[05:15:38] <XXCoder> oh
[05:16:01] <Computer_Barf> installing an auxillary spindle was suggested
[05:16:25] <XXCoder> wonder if you could use some kinda planetary gearing to increase rpm in expense of power
[05:16:35] <XXCoder> mill can cut hard mill, it has plenty of power
[05:16:39] <XXCoder> *metal
[05:16:39] <Computer_Barf> but im trying to find a path to a product , less expenses
[05:17:13] <Computer_Barf> yeah I plan on doing a belt drive upgrade but
[05:17:17] <XXCoder> wonder how directly millable pewer is
[05:17:21] <Computer_Barf> still the rpms seemed quite high he was saying
[05:17:35] <Computer_Barf> 22k
[05:17:54] <Computer_Barf> idk if he bearings in the mill can take those speeds
[05:18:23] <XXCoder> dont have to if you make some kinda planetary gearing attachment
[05:18:41] <Computer_Barf> ahh i see what you mean
[05:18:44] <XXCoder> mill itself spins at max it can safely do, then use gearing to increase to wood/pewter
[05:18:46] <XXCoder> speeds
[05:18:48] <Computer_Barf> thats a pretty good idea
[05:19:01] <XXCoder> yeah its how drill steps down
[05:19:40] <Computer_Barf> the belt drive upgrade , new motor puts it at around 6800 rpm
[05:19:51] <XXCoder> now that is interesting http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general-metalwork-discussion/28144-milling-tin-pewter.html
[05:20:10] <XXCoder> one suggests use brass as master
[05:20:19] <XXCoder> and your mill can do brass just fine
[05:21:02] <Computer_Barf> http://imgur.com/XIXVrL7
[05:21:07] <Computer_Barf> this is the coaster
[05:21:20] <XXCoder> http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Pewter-Plates.jpg
[05:21:57] <Computer_Barf> did they mill those?
[05:22:11] <XXCoder> nah thought it was master molds but nah just result
[05:22:39] <XXCoder> soapstone apparently works
[05:25:34] <Computer_Barf> soapstone to pour pewter into?
[05:25:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:25:49] <XXCoder> mking it into mold first though lol
[05:26:00] <XXCoder> old bronze mold for pewter metal http://ecatalogue.art.yale.edu/imageServer/imgSrv?objectId=22925&size=ref
[05:27:15] <Computer_Barf> oh man
[05:27:55] <Computer_Barf> see i kind of suspected that you could take two pieces of aluminum and mill a mould into those bolt them together and pour in pewter
[05:28:09] <Computer_Barf> that picture there makes me suspect that it would work
[05:28:20] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:28:26] <XXCoder> brass is traditional metal for it
[05:28:42] <Computer_Barf> unless pewter sticks to aluminum, but it doesn't seem like it sticks to brass
[05:28:54] <XXCoder> but alum is fine I think. probably only reason it wasnt used back then is because it was more valuable than gold then.
[05:29:03] <Computer_Barf> lol hahaha
[05:29:08] <XXCoder> man time machine and chips from my work ;)
[05:29:25] <XXCoder> hell just order big chunks, clean with lathe then time machine
[05:29:57] <Computer_Barf> i wonder what the investment world would be like if time machines were commonplace
[05:30:14] <XXCoder> "everything is worth shit"
[05:30:17] <Computer_Barf> lets assume the whole "im fading away" situation doesn't exist
[05:30:38] <Computer_Barf> and just multiple timelines form when you change stuff
[05:31:03] <Computer_Barf> cause in back to the future 2 , biff invested in stuff and made a bunch of money
[05:31:09] <Computer_Barf> but what if everyone was biff
[05:31:23] <XXCoder> yeah like I said, everything would be worth crap
[05:31:29] <Computer_Barf> it wouldn't mean anything cause too many people would get rich
[05:31:38] <XXCoder> because at some point in future there would be space mining
[05:31:53] <XXCoder> $100 a ton of gold plus huge shipping lol
[05:32:00] <Computer_Barf> well
[05:32:11] <Computer_Barf> that's assuming humanity is competent in the long term
[05:32:29] <XXCoder> 100% chance there will be timeline that is a success
[05:32:30] <Computer_Barf> and the whole "technology will save us" philosophy is true
[05:32:45] <XXCoder> expeciailly when there is many time machines
[05:33:12] <XXCoder> its actually possible to get above 100% chance of success
[05:33:32] <XXCoder> if there is 0.01% chance of success, and there is trillion different universe
[05:33:52] <Computer_Barf> dark enlightenment philosophy would point more at that instead of space mining, we would have ruins like old greek temples
[05:33:53] <XXCoder> its like rolling (1 trillion)d10000
[05:34:16] <XXCoder> and lots of em would roll 10000
[05:34:35] <Computer_Barf> maybe that future is only the future that particular time machine is caliberated to
[05:34:37] <Computer_Barf> lol
[05:34:39] <malcom2073> If time machines were comonplace, you're greatly overestimating people. It would be abused
[05:34:47] <malcom2073> In very bad ways
[05:34:58] <Computer_Barf> im assuming people will abuse it
[05:34:59] <XXCoder> we havent gotten to point where stuff is basically free due to superadvanced cncs
[05:35:09] <XXCoder> malcom2073: new timelines mean new time machine users
[05:35:15] <XXCoder> which means more timelines
[05:35:21] <XXCoder> its a postive feedback
[05:35:24] <malcom2073> True
[05:35:31] <Computer_Barf> yeah you got me there
[05:35:40] <malcom2073> So assuming the universe doesn't explode, peoles mistakes would stick them in their own timeline with copies of everyone
[05:35:53] <malcom2073> Don't like your universe? Change it!
[05:35:59] <XXCoder> basically
[05:36:12] <XXCoder> I bet advance after time machine would be crossreality machine
[05:36:18] <malcom2073> Could also make for a lot of very miserable people
[05:36:24] <XXCoder> rather than making new timelines it would cross from one to another
[05:36:36] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Go read the long earth
[05:36:55] <XXCoder> baxter nice
[05:37:13] <XXCoder> buyung it
[05:37:18] <malcom2073> Basically infinite alternate realities, but humans are only in one
[05:37:29] <malcom2073> suddenly humanity discovers easy way to pass betwee them
[05:37:49] <malcom2073> resources are worth nothing, land is worth nothing, it's interesting. Book doesn't go in-depth enough into the effects of it, but it's still a good read
[05:37:51] <XXCoder> infinite earths basically mean infinite resources
[05:37:56] <malcom2073> Yep
[05:38:05] <XXCoder> also weird bonus
[05:38:15] <XXCoder> if all has same history (dont tell me how book is like)
[05:38:20] <Computer_Barf> would have interesting implications for libertarianism
[05:38:23] <XXCoder> it would mean same resource is findable
[05:38:41] <malcom2073> XXCoder: The book references that with an amusing side-story
[05:38:41] <XXCoder> world largest diamond? its at coorditates (...,....,....)
[05:38:51] <XXCoder> no spoilers lol
[05:38:54] <malcom2073> Nope
[05:38:55] <malcom2073> It's a good read
[05:39:00] <XXCoder> cool
[05:39:11] <XXCoder> I now read very heavily
[05:39:14] <malcom2073> There are several others in the series, got not great reviews but I'ma read them anyway since I like the concept
[05:39:15] <Computer_Barf> how long do you think it would take before governments are laying claims to entire worlds
[05:39:27] <malcom2073> Computer_Barf: 0.001 seconds :P
[05:39:27] <XXCoder> Computer_Barf: more worlds
[05:39:38] <XXCoder> one world per person free
[05:40:02] <malcom2073> XXCoder: but what if the worlds were sequential, and it was harder to get to the further worlds?
[05:40:06] <XXCoder> hell 100 worlds per person free. infinite means billion worlds is 0% of toal
[05:40:09] <malcom2073> Suddenly worlds have value based on how "close" they are
[05:40:17] <XXCoder> malcom2073: rich would get nearby ones
[05:40:28] <malcom2073> Rich how? Who are they buying them from?
[05:40:33] <Computer_Barf> http://i.imgur.com/HSUp9IP.jpg
[05:40:38] <Computer_Barf> because fuck people, thats why.
[05:40:40] <malcom2073> The rich could afford mercenaries to protect it
[05:40:46] <malcom2073> lol
[05:40:54] <XXCoder> from people who got it. think phone numbers - random but people buy custpom numbers
[05:41:04] <XXCoder> like 123 456 0000 or whatever
[05:41:22] <malcom2073> Right, there's a central agency that manages phone numbers
[05:41:25] <malcom2073> who manages earths?
[05:41:37] <malcom2073> First come first served, then if the next guy has a bigger gun......
[05:41:41] <XXCoder> new goverment agenacy, but honestly?
[05:41:46] <XXCoder> peopel can always move on
[05:41:51] <XXCoder> expecially if tech is cheap
[05:41:53] <malcom2073> Yeah
[05:42:00] <malcom2073> Because the world is freaking massive
[05:42:12] <Computer_Barf> it would serve as a nice renewable reset button
[05:42:14] <malcom2073> You could move in and the "owner" could have no idea forever
[05:42:38] <Computer_Barf> dude honestly that scenario is an ancap wet dream
[05:42:56] <Computer_Barf> yes im going to be homesteading my own planet now.
[05:43:14] <Computer_Barf> Computer_Barfaria
[05:43:17] <XXCoder> heh would have to deal with wildlife
[05:43:42] <malcom2073> XXCoder: technology. Robots to build barriers, automatic sentry stun guns, etc :-D
[05:43:48] <malcom2073> Frontier tech would open up
[05:44:01] <Computer_Barf> with no government to stop you
[05:44:08] <Computer_Barf> things could get pretty interesting
[05:44:23] <Computer_Barf> i mean we have time machines
[05:44:36] <Computer_Barf> i think it would be fair to break out the laser turret
[05:45:23] <Computer_Barf> it would be cool if your time machine could encrypt the alt world location
[05:45:48] <Computer_Barf> you could encode the location to blockchains and sell predeveloped locations
[05:46:04] <Computer_Barf> using smart contracts
[05:46:13] <malcom2073> You know someidiot would go bring back dinosaurs
[05:46:33] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I remember one old and bit odd book on time travel
[05:46:37] <XXCoder> basically its a magic road
[05:46:44] <XXCoder> one mile is one year
[05:47:06] <XXCoder> well someone rich made a nuclear powered car that can go 1000 mph in order to get dinosour dna
[05:47:07] <malcom2073> Heh
[05:47:12] <malcom2073> Of course
[05:47:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:47:24] <malcom2073> That's a more reasonable concept
[05:47:28] <Computer_Barf> well outside the laser turret wall the dinosaurs are a pretty good deterrent.
[05:47:29] <malcom2073> make it more difficult the further you go
[05:47:31] <XXCoder> bet its tough because it isnt stright road
[05:47:48] <malcom2073> Ohhh, what if the cross-timeline thing, allows for timelines where the dinosaurs didn't go extinct?
[05:47:51] <XXCoder> 1000 mph is insane
[05:48:01] <XXCoder> wouldnt be same dinos
[05:48:12] <XXCoder> and dinsours isnt exinact here either
[05:48:13] <Computer_Barf> yeah 32 millions years of evolution
[05:48:17] <XXCoder> we just call em birds now
[05:48:35] <malcom2073> heh
[05:48:47] <malcom2073> Psh you know what I mean
[05:48:48] <Computer_Barf> you do have to wonder if dinosaurs would be an excellent chicken farming oppertunity.
[05:48:53] <malcom2073> Hmmmm yum
[05:48:59] <XXCoder> we well most of us, eat t-rex desecent sometimes
[05:49:08] <XXCoder> Computer_Barf: chickens, exactly lol
[05:49:13] <Computer_Barf> oh man
[05:49:20] <Computer_Barf> i just thought of a racist joke
[05:49:29] <Computer_Barf> i don't want to tell it cause then i seem racist
[05:49:38] <XXCoder> rather than actual? :P
[05:49:40] <XXCoder> heh
[05:50:01] <Computer_Barf> i sincerly believe you can have a pure heart and still think of racist jokes.
[05:50:01] <XXCoder> yeah I don't share em either. no interest in futhering racist stuff
[05:50:26] <malcom2073> Oh man, that would totally bring back slavery without gonvermental control of all the timelines/worlds
[05:50:29] <Computer_Barf> but thats not politically correct. It's just a themed joke. I don't even care if its against my race.
[05:51:03] <XXCoder> anyway Computer_Barf dunno if dino-farming would be effecient
[05:51:06] <Computer_Barf> malcom2073: I was more thinking along the giant chicken marketing standpoint
[05:51:12] <XXCoder> lots food for given pound of meat
[05:51:35] <XXCoder> eggs though
[05:51:43] <XXCoder> big eggs.
[05:51:45] <Computer_Barf> malcom2073: you might want to note that a number of the very early abolitionists were anarchists.
[05:52:05] <malcom2073> True, but infinite worlds, infinite people, infinite stupid
[05:52:25] <XXCoder> best scenero: infinite worlds one human filled
[05:52:31] <malcom2073> There's a move, it's a "documentary", based in a world where the south won the war, and america continued slavery into the 2000's
[05:52:45] <XXCoder> worse? this is only earth with decent (compared to others) intellegent species
[05:52:59] <Computer_Barf> go back in time in your time machine
[05:53:04] <Computer_Barf> and find some slave masters
[05:53:18] <Computer_Barf> and tell them that their business is doomed
[05:53:30] <Computer_Barf> because one day soon there will be giant machines
[05:53:42] <XXCoder> most time machines get this wrong - time machine does not mean just same people but different histry
[05:53:53] <XXCoder> we would get completely different people within generation or 2
[05:53:55] <Computer_Barf> made of iron that will troll around the fields picking the cotton and sort it in a mechanized fashion
[05:53:55] <XXCoder> why?:
[05:54:00] <XXCoder> different times of sex
[05:54:09] <Computer_Barf> consuming oil we pump from the ground
[05:54:11] <XXCoder> even one second later may make difference on which sperm wins
[05:54:34] <Computer_Barf> they'll all think your nuts
[05:55:10] <XXCoder> Computer_Barf: what if you told people say 14 years ago that apple will be biggest company?
[05:55:20] <XXCoder> people would think "your" nuts.
[05:55:29] <Computer_Barf> hey hey now
[05:55:34] <Computer_Barf> don't question my verbility
[05:55:53] <Computer_Barf> maybe in an alternate time line I can say your however yous want to.
[05:56:20] <malcom2073> What if you went back in time 50 years, told someone that you had a device in your pocket, that could access the worlds knowlege within seconds, communicate around the world easily and quickly, and you use it to look up pictures of kittens with funny captions
[05:56:32] <XXCoder> malcom2073: theres comic on tjhat
[05:56:53] <malcom2073> yeah that's where I got it
[05:57:13] <XXCoder> but yeah. I got this really shitty android tablet. its tons times more calculation power than entire earth in 50s
[05:57:35] <XXCoder> I dont even use it. its shitty
[05:58:56] <malcom2073> The faster processers get, the more inefficient programmers get
[05:59:00] <malcom2073> I think the programmers are winning the race
[06:00:14] <Computer_Barf> what kind of rpms is minim for routing wood?
[06:00:25] <XXCoder> 8k to 32k
[06:00:38] <XXCoder> thats range of my edge trimmer I plan to use on cnc router
[06:01:37] <Computer_Barf> ok so if I was to gear a spindle on a mill to achieve that, i wonder how i might do that.
[06:01:59] <XXCoder> 1:4 ratio gearing
[06:02:02] <Computer_Barf> i mean i assume I would need some fancy bearings on the faster gears
[06:02:06] <XXCoder> 8k would becomke 32k
[06:02:38] <Computer_Barf> 6800 rpm with the belt drive upgrade on the g0704
[06:03:34] <Computer_Barf> 27,200
[06:03:38] <XXCoder> http://www.bigkaiser.com/products/spindle-speeders/high-spindle.html
[06:04:30] <Computer_Barf> oh this already exists prebuilt hummm
[06:04:49] <XXCoder> someojne suggest google for ""high speed head"."
[06:12:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/
[06:13:36] <Computer_Barf> boooo
[06:16:05] <XXCoder> earl delayed again. what a flipping surpise. glad I didnt preorder lol
[06:37:45] <XXCoder> anyway night
[08:13:25] <magic_ninja> hey guys, I was sent there with a VFD question i've had, its not strictly on topic though
[08:27:05] <CaptHindsight> magic_ninja: just ask, Saturday includes topics such as 3d printed potato mashers and what types of wood make better machine frames
[08:29:07] <magic_ninja> Well basically, I'm running a 10hp commander SK on a cooling unit to drive 4 fan motors, but this particular circuit keeps giving a hardware fault 26. We have swapped with another VFD and gotten the same fault on the swapped in VFD, and the one that was origionally faulting ran fine on the other circuit
[08:29:18] <magic_ninja> I'm trying to dig more into this issue and find the cause
[08:31:57] <archivist> what is error 26 in the VFD manual
[08:34:13] <magic_ninja> an error in IGBT or the inrush circuit of the power supply board
[08:34:48] <magic_ninja> We know it is something to do with our circuit on the VFD rather than the VFD itself.
[08:57:31] <Tom_itx> add more caps to the supply?
[09:32:10] * JT-Shop goes to walk the dog before trying to cut the T slot
[09:32:40] <Tecan> stressful ?
[09:33:01] <Tecan> whatcha making JT ?
[09:52:45] <JT-Shop> http://ibin.co/1xyKKr8nTBAf
[09:53:30] <JT-Shop> http://ibin.co/1xyKYas6li5S
[09:57:11] <_methods> where's the tslot
[09:57:21] <_methods> hehe
[09:57:42] <JT-Shop> I still need to remove the T
[10:03:02] <jdh> then you would be J-Shop
[10:03:41] <furrywolf> is that where j-lube is made?
[14:20:21] <t12> back to re-figuring out this mitsu thing
[14:20:34] <t12> after forgetting about it for years
[14:20:36] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/njgmkbrv3ez4oje/AACa7rt9Ro5lhItRDt7lyEzla
[16:20:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:41:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wadkin-UX-CNC-Router-/171748707577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fd054cf9
[17:06:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how'd the slot cutting work out?
[17:07:08] <JT-Shop> slow but good, I'm cutting some now... just got back from a ride on the Blue Wing
[17:07:32] <JT-Shop> takes 24 minutes, but I'm not rushing it without using soft jaws
[17:07:34] <Tom_itx> feeds seem ok?
[17:07:39] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:07:53] <Tom_itx> i'm sure you could have gone faster with a firmer grip
[17:07:59] <_methods> i'm always a big pansy when i do slitting and tslots
[17:08:16] <_methods> better than busting a cutter
[17:08:19] <_methods> or scrappin a part
[17:08:21] <Tom_itx> no need if you follow the SFM and IPR
[17:08:42] <Tom_itx> the math still works
[17:09:47] <JT-Shop> like Mari Tool says "speeds and feeds depends on the rigidity of your machine and work holding"
[17:09:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:10:17] <Tom_itx> i should send you one of these slide rules i got at a trade show years ago
[17:10:34] <Tom_itx> one has all the SFM IPT etc and another figures HP
[17:11:03] <Tom_itx> i don't use em much since i have the cad cam
[17:11:39] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they're pretty general figures
[17:11:41] <JT-Shop> I just use my spreadsheet usually
[17:13:53] <Tom_itx> once you've used a cutter you have a reference to work from
[17:16:33] * zeeshan is having cad fun
[17:16:34] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Rotor.PDF
[17:16:41] <zeeshan> getting that printed on a t-shirt
[17:16:41] <zeeshan> :D
[17:18:25] <Tom_itx> what's it for?
[17:19:58] <SpeedEvil> 'I edit wikipedia, make presentations, then jump off bridges'
[17:20:15] <SpeedEvil> Oh - no - that's the dropbox login logo never-mind
[17:22:10] <furrywolf> lol
[17:22:56] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: to wear at the race track
[17:23:00] <zeeshan> to annoy the rotary engine owners
[17:23:21] * Tom_itx doesn't get the connection
[17:23:31] <zeeshan> ??
[17:23:45] <Tom_itx> all i got was a login page
[17:23:51] <zeeshan> o
[17:24:12] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/epqi88iv9myzbqd/Rotor.PDF?dl=0
[17:24:51] <furrywolf> nope
[17:25:00] <furrywolf> why don't you put it on an actual webhost, rather than a spam site?
[17:25:18] <zeeshan> cause geocities doesnt exhist anymore
[17:25:24] <Tom_itx> New to Dropbox? Sign up for free to share documents and photos
[17:25:32] <Tom_itx> mmm i'm thinkin .... naw
[17:25:47] <furrywolf> yes, that's what I think as well.
[17:25:59] <Tom_itx> oh btw, wankels only have 2 rotors
[17:26:26] <Tom_itx> and even with the racing seals they're still crap
[17:26:57] <furrywolf> eh? mazda made lots of 3-rotor engines
[17:27:16] <zeeshan> theres also 4 rotors
[17:28:19] <JT-Shop> I wonder if I put a soft start on the Samson spindle motor then I could run it while the VMC is running
[17:28:59] <furrywolf> ... what about another breaker?
[17:29:24] <JT-Shop> all my 3-phase comes from my 20hp RPC
[17:29:51] <furrywolf> does the vmc use motors running directly off the 3-phase, or does it have VFDs?
[17:30:15] <JT-Shop> when I kick in the 7.5hp spindle it draws the voltage down a few and the VMC doesn't like that
[17:30:32] <furrywolf> the normal rule with 3-phase rotary converters is the more you have running, the more you can start.
[17:30:34] <JT-Shop> the VMC is all servos
[17:30:50] <furrywolf> so convert the vmc to single phase and get it off your converter? :)
[17:30:57] <JT-Shop> the Siemens drive in the VMC is NOT normal lol
[17:31:11] <furrywolf> lol
[17:31:29] <furrywolf> normal in this case refers only to 3-phase induction motors. heh.
[17:31:34] <JT-Shop> the spindle is a 7.5HP servo motor and you can't run that kind with a VFD
[17:31:43] <JT-Shop> done checked
[17:31:45] <zeeshan> thats sweet
[17:31:51] <zeeshan> dc servo
[17:31:52] <zeeshan> or ac
[17:31:55] <furrywolf> when you have motors already running off your rotary converter, they'll give a boost to start even more motors... but that doesn't work for vfds/etc.
[17:32:32] <JT-Shop> the Siemens drive is hyper sensitive to voltage so you can't start another 3-phase motor when it is on
[17:33:00] <zeeshan> does it go in fault
[17:33:01] <JT-Shop> the drive in my CHNC is normal and doesn't care what you feed it it just runs
[17:33:01] <zeeshan> if you do?
[17:33:05] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:33:14] <zeeshan> undervoltage warning prolly
[17:33:14] <furrywolf> spin your other piece of equipment up to speed with a cordless drill, then flip the power switch, and hope it syncs without blowing anything. :)
[17:33:16] <zeeshan> interesting
[17:33:21] <zeeshan> rofl furry
[17:33:36] <JT-Shop> the only way to run the VMC was to way oversize the RPC and get RPC motor
[17:33:57] <JT-Shop> I'll hold your beer while you try
[17:34:38] <furrywolf> well, it might work perfectly, or it might be a double-line-voltage worse-than-dead-short... all depending on the phase difference when you hit the power switch.
[17:34:46] <furrywolf> you could get a fancy meter that shows you when the phases line up...
[17:35:27] <furrywolf> in reality, for something that small, it'll synchronize to the new phase pretty quickly... but it might annoy your drive.
[17:35:51] <furrywolf> can't you just pause whatever you're running, start the other machine, continue?
[17:36:32] <JT-Shop> trips out the drive on the VMC even if your not machining
[17:36:47] <furrywolf> but as long as it's not cutting, restart it? heh
[17:37:44] <JT-Shop> I have to reboot the control usually or it gets funky
[17:38:22] <furrywolf> ah
[17:38:40] <furrywolf> and this drive just won't run off single phase? bleh. :)
[17:39:04] <JT-Shop> according to Siemens it is a "high performance drive" so it acts like a high maintenance woman
[17:39:13] <furrywolf> ...
[17:39:23] * furrywolf stops trying to help JT-Shop
[17:39:28] <JT-Shop> the drive want's clean 3-phase with unlimited amps lol
[17:39:47] <JT-Shop> I'm beyond help but the drive is nuts
[17:40:26] * JT-Shop want's so bad to toss in some AC servos on the axes and a vector drive spindle it ain't funny
[17:40:35] <furrywolf> do you have any smaller 3ph equipment? turn all of it on, one at a time, then try starting the big motor.
[17:40:54] <furrywolf> (things with normal 3ph induction motors, no vfds or other drives)
[17:41:07] <JT-Shop> I have the surface grinder... hmm
[17:41:58] <furrywolf> in general, with rotary converters, additional spinning unloaded equipment increases the capacity... when you try starting something else, the other equipment's momentum causes it to generate on the wild leg and help keep it from drooping.
[17:42:45] <JT-Shop> I actually ran the Samson spindle motor in neutral to help run the VMC once
[17:44:16] <furrywolf> you might want to pause your machining job while trying this, just in case. :)
[17:44:31] <JT-Shop> I'll test it between parts lol
[17:45:18] * furrywolf has found turning the spindle off during a job is a good way to get to replace a cutter
[17:46:03] <JT-Shop> the VMC is a rack drive with one power section and 4 drives all connected together so they all go down together
[17:46:44] <furrywolf> ah
[17:47:10] <furrywolf> and you're sure it doesn't run just fine on single phase? :)
[17:47:42] <furrywolf> most devices with an input stage of rectifiers and filter caps run just fine off single
[17:48:03] <zeeshan> the drive is prolly worth $5k
[17:48:04] <zeeshan> lol
[17:48:12] <zeeshan> id just convert over to single phase
[17:48:25] <zeeshan> kinda hard to when stuff is working though :)
[17:49:12] <furrywolf> I actually asked Lambda about running their 3ph power supplies off 1ph, and they said they all work, except some have to be derated to 2/3rds power to prevent overheating of the input rectifiers.
[17:50:20] <t12> is there documentation somewhere for setting up the mesa xylinx dev evnironment?
[17:59:19] <JT-Shop> doesn't Tom_itx have some info on that?
[18:03:12] <t12> i think i'm ready to try and tackle implmenting the mitsu encoder interfacing
[18:13:15] <Tom_itx> yep, actually i added it to the wiki too
[18:13:49] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[18:14:56] <MacGalempsy> evening zeeshan
[18:15:03] <zeeshan> hi
[18:15:08] <Tom_L> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Editing_MESA_Bitfiles
[18:15:11] <Tom_L> or the wiki link
[18:16:14] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop how'd the parts come out?
[18:26:36] <JT-Shop> they look beautiful and I only have 7 more T's to cut after this one
[18:27:49] <Tom_itx> did you wind up hand coding or something else?
[18:35:15] <t12> tom: thanks very much!
[18:35:35] <Tom_itx> np
[18:49:05] <JT-Shop> I used my CAM
[18:50:14] <furrywolf> I have CAM too! Completely Analog Machining! oh, wait...
[18:50:21] * furrywolf needs to find cad+cam software
[19:00:27] <Cromaglious> wow locked up my machine, haven't done that in awhile
[19:27:35] <furrywolf> bbl
[19:28:02] <Tom_itx> any opinions on SSD? which are reliable, which are junk?
[19:29:25] <_methods> intel
[19:29:32] <_methods> good
[19:29:34] <minimill> intel if you care
[19:29:49] <furrywolf> intel, samsung good, ocz fucking crap, rebranded china fucking crap.
[19:30:29] <Tom_itx> i've got a small one but don't use it much. just for testing new things
[19:31:14] <Tom_itx> any certain intel?
[19:31:23] <_methods> all of my intels are still alive
[19:31:25] <furrywolf> I have a sandisk cloudspeed and a pny, no problems yet... of course, the pny is still in its shrink wrap. :P
[19:31:58] <furrywolf> the cloudspeed claims to be "enterprise", which I suspect means "costs more".
[19:33:01] <furrywolf> the pny is destined for my toughbook cf-30 when I have spare time.
[19:34:45] <Tom_itx> what os?
[19:34:51] <_methods> i had 2 smaller corsairs die on me
[19:35:13] <Tom_itx> i've got a small corsair but like i said, i don't use it much
[19:35:15] <_methods> those are the only ones to die on me though
[19:35:20] <Tom_itx> just for testing stuff
[19:35:33] <_methods> i have intel, samsung, adata, pny, and the corsairs
[19:35:42] <_methods> all alive except corsair
[19:36:10] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5EM2M30056&cm_re=intel_ssd-_-20-167-288-_-Product
[19:36:15] <Tom_itx> there we go
[19:36:47] <furrywolf> I have heard bad things repeatedly about ocz...
[19:37:08] <Tom_itx> i may have some ram from them
[19:37:12] <Tom_itx> can't recall right now
[19:37:28] <furrywolf> I think theregister ran an article at some point on ocz failure rates, with some models having a >25% return rate.
[19:39:32] <furrywolf> Before we move further on the SSD versus hard drive discussion, we need to throw OCZ right out the window. Let's look at how it has done on a company-wide level since Hardware.fr started tracking SSD returns. Article 3, 2.93 per cent; Article 4, 3.5 per cent; Article 5, 4.2 per cent; Article 6, 7.03 per cent; Article 7, 5.02 per cent; Article 8, 6.64 per cent; Article 9, 2.27 per cent; Article 10, 5.66per cent.
[19:39:38] <furrywolf> OCZ had an individual product – the OCZ Octane SATA 2 128GB – with a 52 per cent return rate and numerous others above 40 per cent. Prieur calls OCZ's return rates "catastrophic" and I have to agree*.
[19:39:45] <furrywolf> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/07/storage_ssds/
[19:41:36] <furrywolf> for comparrison, samsung is 0.5%...
[19:42:18] <furrywolf> bbl
[19:44:16] <furrywolf> "*My own experience is a 240 per cent return rate with OCZ. The return rate is more than 100 per cent because many of these SSDs not only failed but the returned disks failed, and then the second, third and sometimes even fourth disks failed. I eventually pulled the whole line from every client and replaced them with those of other vendors at my expense."
[19:44:57] <furrywolf> bbl
[19:45:47] <Rab> Tom_itx, don't buy Samdung EVO 840 (and possibly other models using the same flash technology): http://www.extremetech.com/computing/199673-second-patch-for-ongoing-840-evo-ssd-performance-issues-being-prepped-by-samsung
[19:47:09] <Rab> Apparently an unfixable problem with TLC NAND.
[19:47:26] <Tom_L> i think i've heard of that one
[19:47:34] <Tom_L> ( the problem )
[19:47:56] <Rab> Models with different flash (840 Pro, older drives, etc) don't seem to be affected.
[20:23:12] <_methods> yeah i got one of those samsung 840's
[20:23:15] <_methods> :(
[20:25:42] <_methods> i put it in my laptop to mitigate potential disaster
[20:25:57] <_methods> at least only my POS laptop will crap out
[20:28:07] <Tom_L> i think i'm gonna pull the trigger on another one of these ASRock boards
[20:28:11] <Tom_L> itx version this time
[20:29:59] <_methods> omg drunk mastercamming is not working so well
[20:30:51] <Tom_L> what about regular toshiba hdd? 2.5"
[20:31:09] <Tom_L> i don't think i've ever had one
[20:31:10] <_methods> had to reinstall and now i can't remember where i turn on grid
[20:31:59] <_methods> ah there it is
[20:32:09] <_methods> screen>grid settings
[20:42:19] <Tom_L> _methods, what you makin?
[20:43:27] <_methods> the z axis pieces for my mini mill
[20:43:36] <_methods> the left and right supports and the bearing plate
[20:47:39] <_methods> http://imgur.com/a/PHCkx
[20:47:48] <_methods> got the x and y all done just need to do the z now
[20:48:16] <_methods> used one of those cheap HF tool carts for the stand
[20:48:24] <_methods> had to do some modifications lol
[20:49:31] <Tom_L> damn thing froze my brouser
[20:49:57] <_methods> imgur?
[20:50:20] <Tom_L> yup
[20:50:34] <_methods> hmmm
[20:50:57] <_methods> i started using that because people don't like going to dropbox links
[20:52:29] <_methods> i should have all the z axis pieces done tomorrow
[20:52:37] <_methods> be nice to not have to crank any handles
[20:53:10] <Tom_L> sob. did it again
[20:53:28] <_methods> wild
[20:53:30] <malcom2073> imgur sucks for galleries, not bad for single direct-link images
[20:53:45] <Tom_L> yeah i think that's the issue
[20:54:58] <_methods> one sec i'll put it on my google photos thing
[20:55:08] <jdh> http://imgur.com/a/vkaB7#0
[20:55:20] <jdh> small imgur gallery
[20:55:28] <_methods> nice
[20:55:38] <jdh> needs something for scale in it
[20:55:52] <Tom_L> that's a sharktooth
[20:56:03] <_methods> dollah bill yo
[20:57:49] <_methods> https://plus.google.com/photos/105270554027735362812/albums/6136659495861528129
[20:57:52] <_methods> jeebus
[20:57:55] <_methods> that was painful
[21:04:45] <_methods> chinese breakout board is just temporary lol
[21:05:09] <_methods> i figure i'll use it until i get 4th axis ready then i'll get a real board from pcw
[21:09:19] <Tom_L> ha that looks like my lathe
[21:09:34] <_methods> you got atlas?
[21:09:41] <Tom_L> yep
[21:09:45] <_methods> heh nice
[21:09:52] <_methods> it works lol
[21:09:53] <_methods> kinda
[21:10:01] <Tom_L> mine is old
[21:10:07] <_methods> better than HF lathe for sure
[21:10:45] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/sumo_files/lathe3.jpg
[21:10:50] <_methods> i am going to get a POS chinese lathe so i can cnc it
[21:11:03] <_methods> ha yep
[21:11:21] <zeeshan> dont waste your time!
[21:11:22] <zeeshan> :p
[21:12:12] <_methods> it's all need
[21:12:16] <zeeshan> what size steppers are those methods
[21:12:18] <_methods> i have real stuff at work
[21:12:18] <zeeshan> on the mini mill
[21:12:22] <_methods> nema 23
[21:12:27] <zeeshan> i mean torque
[21:12:30] <_methods> i don't remember the torque
[21:12:31] <zeeshan> they look huge :p
[21:12:51] <zeeshan> i dig that height gauge
[21:12:52] <_methods> yeah once i get all the axes going i'm makin belt drive mounts
[21:12:53] <zeeshan> its huge
[21:13:05] <_methods> yeah man 24" at least
[21:13:19] <_methods> makes layout fun
[21:13:29] <zeeshan> can i borrow that mag drill
[21:13:35] <zeeshan> :]
[21:13:43] <_methods> hah no
[21:13:51] <zeeshan> i need to drill hoesl in 1/2" plate
[21:13:54] <_methods> that thing is a life saver
[21:14:05] <_methods> yeah that top i made is 1/2"
[21:14:24] <zeeshan> why the rect tube
[21:14:26] <zeeshan> and not just some spacers
[21:14:42] <_methods> it was layin around at work
[21:14:43] <_methods> lol
[21:14:48] <zeeshan> haha nice
[21:14:51] <_methods> and boss said i could have it
[21:15:06] <_methods> and it just happened to give me enough height to clear the sides
[21:15:08] <_methods> hehe
[21:15:14] <_methods> now i gotta make a coolant pan
[21:47:06] <JT-Shop> last T-slot done :)
[21:47:29] <Tom_itx> damn, way past your bedtime!
[21:48:40] <JT-Shop> clean up on aisle 2
[21:48:50] <JT-Shop> it was a struggle to make it
[21:49:47] <JT-Shop> back to the couch and ww2 in color
[21:50:05] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[21:50:22] <Tom_itx> later
[21:50:27] <Tom_itx> need pics tomorrow!