#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-03-31

[02:16:40] <Deejay> moin
[04:36:26] <XXCoder1> sigh hate when dings scroll out
[05:48:54] <MrSunshine> hmm any nice tools i could use .. i have a piece that is a given length, and its arched with a given angle in the ends, and a given height .. to bend this line smoothly ... dont know how to explain it realy .. hmm =)
[05:52:21] <MrSunshine> http://postimg.org/image/z8kjfbbfh/ where L is the length of the piece, H is the height in middle of arch and the ANG is the angle .. and its not a perfect arch realy =) tho .. i guess piece of an arch
[05:54:13] <MrSunshine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_segment i guess =)
[05:54:22] <MrSunshine> tho i might ahve to modify the angle at the ends later
[05:54:36] <MrSunshine> as this is roughly done by my father 25 years ago ... =)
[05:58:35] <archivist> small press tool and a set of dies
[06:31:13] <archivist> most metals spring back, so needs to over bend a bit
[06:40:40] <_eventor> anybody out there who can help me with install whezzy and linuxcnc
[06:41:37] <_eventor> my problem is: PC can not boot from usb and has only normal CD Drive
[06:42:51] <_eventor> the live image is to big, where can i get the right "only" wheezy install image?
[06:46:25] <RyanS> ahh Australia, the land where used tools are not much cheaper than brand new http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Starrett-Machinists-Level-12-Inch-300mm-No-98-/191542981283?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEDWX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=heieg5KZvKLW14PVNLAJc%252BcnHvs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
[06:47:53] <_eventor> is debian 7.8.0 the rigth os, or is it not "whezzy" ?
[06:51:43] <archivist> cant you find a dvd drive from some old pc?
[06:53:12] <_eventor> not at the moment, all others are notebooks :-(
[09:16:08] <ssi> morn
[09:45:33] <zeeshan> zzz
[09:48:17] <ssi> zzzeeeeeeessshhhaaannn
[09:48:53] <zeeshan> RyanS: wow that sold for a lot
[09:48:57] <zeeshan> thsoe go for about 80-100 here
[09:49:44] <archivist> au dolla not worth so much so looks worse than it is
[10:11:46] <zeeshan> http://www.vandykebros.com/images/worldslargest/502.jpg
[10:12:04] <zeeshan> you know a transformer is serious when it needs cooling like that
[10:13:00] <archivist> usually they would pipe it to separate coolers, seems a dumb design
[10:13:23] <archivist> and define largest
[10:17:14] <zeeshan> so i have like 650lb of transformers and local places are giving a max of .30c/lb
[10:17:24] <zeeshan> $195..
[10:17:36] <zeeshan> if i assume theres about 35% copper in the transformers,
[10:18:07] <malcom2073> By weight? Iron cores are fairly heavy
[10:18:19] <zeeshan> 227.5lb , they are paying 2.75/lb
[10:18:26] <zeeshan> thats $625!
[10:18:53] <zeeshan> it might be worth taking them apart
[10:19:42] <archivist> a few years back when surviving on scrap I got good at transformer stripping
[10:20:11] <zeeshan> seems like a time consuming process :/
[10:20:37] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Is it me or does that transformer seem a bit heavy?
[10:20:50] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: its a whole bunch of transformers
[10:20:58] <zeeshan> i should take a pic
[10:21:04] <zeeshan> they're sitting insde my beater car
[10:21:34] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: I was referring to the link you posted prior.
[10:21:39] <zeeshan> o
[10:21:49] <zeeshan> yea apparently it is 1.1million pounds
[10:22:07] <FinboySlick> I wonder how much of that is copper.
[10:22:18] <zeeshan> i think from what ive read
[10:22:29] <zeeshan> it can vary from anywhere from 25%-40% copper
[12:02:24] <DaPeace> helllooo :-)
[12:03:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAQ0ewhZWs4 $750M to build this automated parking lot
[12:05:10] <DaPeace> hey guys. anybody around here that could give me a hint how i could add a hardwarebutton to pause/resume that is connected to the par-port?
[12:05:46] <DaPeace> i cant get it to work because im not sure how i could communicate with the par-port-pins..
[12:07:26] <CaptHindsight> DaPeace: you don't want e-stop, you want to pause and resume of programs while running?
[12:09:07] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?One_Button_Run/Resume
[12:09:32] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/47-hal-examples/13201-runstep-holdresume-buttons
[12:13:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150331-chinese-company-prism3d-unveils-super-fast-sla-3d-printer.html
[12:13:35] <CaptHindsight> 2.7L/hr
[12:14:26] <_methods> 2.7 secs until lawsuit
[12:16:56] <CaptHindsight> from China, so no problems until you import them here
[12:17:40] <CaptHindsight> and Envisiontec doesn't offer a competitive model even though they hold the US patent
[12:17:46] <DaPeace> CaptHindsight: yes. estop is working. but my problem is that i cant really figure out how to modify the examples so it matches my config
[12:18:02] <DaPeace> ive already found those tutorials
[12:19:36] <CaptHindsight> _methods: that's another bad part of out current patent system here, you don't have to sell systems that follow the patent or do it well
[12:19:46] <DaPeace> in stepperconf ive added a digital0-input for the pin i want to use.. in .hal-file i get din-00 => motion.digital-in-00 but i cant use any of that button-names to add pause/resume because when starting axis it tells me motion.digital-in-00 is already connected to din-00
[12:20:33] <_methods> yeah
[12:20:46] <CaptHindsight> DaPeace: post your configs on pastebin, you might ave to manually edit them
[12:21:01] <Jymmm> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20141105-mazak-unveiled-hybrid-metal-3d-printer-with-multiple-heads.html
[12:21:10] <_methods> the good news is that link led me to that mazak link
[12:21:26] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSk6Bla-lU
[12:21:36] <_methods> that integrex i200s video is cool too
[12:22:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20141105-mazak-unveiled-hybrid-metal-3d-printer-with-multiple-heads.html
[12:22:41] <DaPeace> CaptHindsight: http://pastebin.com/JcrtdeiF
[12:22:48] <DaPeace> this is the hal-file..
[12:23:01] <DaPeace> thats what stepperconf put out.. unedited
[12:23:01] <_methods> too bad it's mazak
[12:23:29] <DaPeace> ahh moment.. edited… ive marked out #net din-00 for testing.. but didnt really work..
[12:24:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: there's lots of great working 3d print tech, the problem is the patents, the holders don't cooperate with each other or don't care about making printers to make things better, they just want profit now
[12:25:24] <_methods> seems to be a common problem
[12:25:40] <_methods> but they will all become irrelevant as the real cnc makers start to ramp up this additive tech
[12:25:45] <_methods> like that mazak and dmg
[12:25:52] <_methods> they better make all the money they can now
[12:25:55] <CaptHindsight> that's why that whole America Makes thing in Ohio is a joke
[12:26:19] <als> Can i use a parameter in a sub name and + 1 to it each time to call a new o sub
[12:26:22] <CaptHindsight> https://americamakes.us/
[12:27:07] <CaptHindsight> better named "Amerika Makes Money"
[12:27:21] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqDMwQOc2w
[12:27:25] <CaptHindsight> prints it anyway
[12:27:26] <_methods> daishin 5 axis
[12:27:59] <_methods> would be nice to be an applications guy working for one of these companies
[12:28:07] <_methods> get to program silly stuff
[12:29:01] <Jymmm> _methods: cnc porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qHR_H_2cg
[12:29:12] <_methods> heheh
[12:29:13] <_methods> indeed
[12:30:06] <_methods> that's a chunk
[12:30:59] <Jymmm> _methods: That's junior, you haven't even seen Big Daddy yet.
[12:31:13] <_methods> dmg makes some slick machines
[12:31:51] <_methods> that that tool chain
[12:31:53] <_methods> sick
[12:31:54] <DaPeace> CaptHindsight: you have any hint for me? maybe a very basic tutorial how i could add pause to a parport-pin? would help me very much..
[12:32:46] <als> net it to halui pause
[12:33:16] <CaptHindsight> DaPeace: I'm not really here, so you might get an answer from someone here or try posting this to the forums with your files
[12:33:26] <DaPeace> ok. thank you CaptHindsight
[12:33:51] <als> have U tried net to halui
[12:33:51] <Jymmm> _methods: The John Homes / Ron Jeremy of cnc porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MFRPGf4JDk
[12:34:14] <_methods> hahah
[12:34:25] <Jymmm> aka Big Daddy
[12:34:35] <als> DaPeace, have U tried net halui
[12:34:56] <DaPeace> not really. i try to find the right syntax to get that working
[12:35:22] <_methods> only 50 tools
[12:35:23] <_methods> wtf
[12:35:45] <DaPeace> ive got it to work to controll the cnc with an old joypad but now when i try to get it to work with these 2 buttons i cant really figure it out..
[12:36:56] <CaptHindsight> peek-a-boo toolchanger
[12:38:08] <malcom2073> _methods: optional 100, 140, 180 :P
[12:38:54] <dirty_d> is R8 actually repeatable in Z?
[12:39:09] <dirty_d> or will it vary a little every time you put it in and out
[12:40:07] <als> DaPeace, halui.program.pause (bit, in) - pin for pausing a program
[12:41:22] <Jymmm> _methods: Now THAT's cnc pron, mlay
[12:42:15] <Jymmm> Oh, who said you can't get/do micron tolerance on the cheap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
[12:43:10] <CaptHindsight> is there such a thing as a circumference segment? http://www.tpub.com/math1/18.htm26.gif what would you call the outer face of a cylinder only contained by the arc segment?
[12:43:13] <DaPeace> als my problem is the pin.. i cant figure out what the connect name is for pin 14 of the parport.. i think thats my biggest problem
[12:43:26] <dirty_d> https://img.pandawhale.com/post-42904-thats-accurate-gif-Imgur-Djang-gXBS.gif
[12:45:28] <dirty_d> dat suction
[12:51:12] <als> DaPeace, #net runsignal parport.1.pin-12-in-not halui.program.run
[12:51:37] <als> DaPeace, something like that
[12:53:46] <DaPeace> okay.. thats working so far.. parport.0.pin-15-in-not halui-program.pause
[12:53:55] <DaPeace> thats a good start to add pause/resume
[12:53:58] <DaPeace> thanks als
[12:54:02] <als> yep
[12:54:34] <DaPeace> those hal-programming is a little like rocketscience for me..
[12:54:44] <dirty_d> yea its pretty confusing at first
[12:55:13] <dirty_d> DaPeace, you know you can plug in like a playstation controller or something and use that for control too
[12:55:40] <DaPeace> yes i know. and i got that working already. i used an old xbox1-controller for that
[12:55:47] <dirty_d> ahh
[12:56:08] <DaPeace> that was a little easier to understand than adding hardwarebuttons..
[12:56:47] <DaPeace> i need a pause/resume-button so i could quickly stop the machine.. estop is working but that was really easy because stepperconf did that..
[12:58:02] <dirty_d> wow, thats a huge surface plate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwdoUjynpEk
[12:58:07] <dirty_d> must weight a ton
[12:58:25] <dirty_d> DaPeace, yea i should probably add that too
[12:58:53] <dirty_d> mine just jogs and stuff for now, gonna add setting work offsets and stuff too though
[12:59:07] <DaPeace> gamepad is nice to move the spindle to a position but grabbing it in emergency is little not so handy :-D
[12:59:11] <dirty_d> different buttons for different diameter edge finders etc
[12:59:18] <dirty_d> right
[12:59:40] <dirty_d> and left/right/front/back side
[13:00:28] <DaPeace> at the moment im waiting for a tb6600-chip… need to change one on my china-board.. burned out or something.. z-axis out of order. cant really do something with my cnc at the moment :-/
[13:00:45] <dirty_d> i had those, one burned out too
[13:00:52] <dirty_d> just ended up getting keling drivers
[13:01:15] <dirty_d> the tb6600 isnt bad, but the actual board on mine was just reall poorly designed
[13:01:45] <DaPeace> ive ordered 2 single-drivers from china now but they need too long… so ive ordered 1 chip, desoldered it from the board and now i hope i get the new one soldered in correctly..
[13:02:12] <dirty_d> talking about these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Axis-TB6600-0-2-5A-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Driver-Controller-Stepper-Motor-/321454918858?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad834ccca
[13:02:38] <DaPeace> i think i ordered different one
[13:03:13] <dirty_d> does yours have like 5 diodes inside?
[13:03:21] <DaPeace> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6573310391.html?orderId=66507655866686
[13:03:33] <dirty_d> oh, that looks a lot better
[13:03:57] <DaPeace> thats what ive ordered now.. but a already own a 3-axis-board.. http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6438184232.html?orderId=65354757586686
[13:03:59] <DaPeace> that one
[13:04:21] <DaPeace> and there the z-axis is gone.. after some weeks of testing and playing around
[13:05:30] <dirty_d> ahh
[13:09:35] <Jymmm> Carvey Desktop CNC https://www.inventables.com/technologies/carvey
[13:10:02] <XXCoder1> fancy
[13:10:19] <XXCoder1> $900 probably
[13:10:31] <XXCoder1> + $1000 lol
[13:10:38] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDNPNKuXgg
[13:11:43] <XXCoder1> tool touchoff included
[13:11:51] <XXCoder1> small though
[13:12:59] <XXCoder1> Jymmm: your design? or planning to buy?
[13:13:23] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Neither, just came across it from another video
[13:13:53] <XXCoder1> 2k I would expect a little bit more
[13:13:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: What I was more curious about was EASLE software
[13:14:59] <XXCoder1> cool
[13:15:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: "From your BROWSER" http://www.easel.com/
[13:15:26] <XXCoder1> yeah
[13:15:49] <XXCoder1> if I recall its basic cam software
[13:15:54] <XXCoder1> as well as designer a bit
[13:17:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCUHsJ4Ktj0
[13:17:55] <XXCoder1> looking
[13:19:04] <XXCoder1> interesting
[13:20:05] <XXCoder1> guy talked about makercam in comments so looking there now
[13:20:12] <XXCoder1> oh it dont need signup nice
[13:22:13] <XXCoder1> no way to position item exactly thouggh
[13:22:56] <Jymmm> which?
[13:23:02] <XXCoder1> makercam
[13:23:06] <Jymmm> Ah
[13:23:19] <Jymmm> EASEL looks more "complete" anywya
[13:23:24] <XXCoder1> it is
[13:23:43] <Jymmm> and nothign to install it looks like, all in a browser
[13:23:46] <XXCoder1> I bet makercam makes for convient svg to toolpath convertor though
[13:24:04] <XXCoder1> and inkscape superpower is svgs lol
[13:24:10] <XXCoder1> I'm quite good on inkscape.
[13:24:49] <Jymmm> Well, EASEL is what I was curious about specifically. It's VERY "ArtCAM" like
[13:25:14] <XXCoder1> looking into artcam now
[13:25:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: ArtCAM starts at $6000USD and up.
[13:26:10] <XXCoder1> not surpised
[13:26:42] <Jymmm> But Easel just knocks it out of the block for open source
[13:26:57] <XXCoder1> I hope solvespace will evenually support more
[13:27:01] <Jymmm> Mind you ArtCAM can do 3D
[13:27:03] <XXCoder1> its pretty amazing
[13:27:08] <Jymmm> not just 2.5d
[13:27:39] <Jymmm> Anyhow, thought I'd share =)
[13:27:41] <XXCoder1> solvespace can do 3d already, but no toolpathc export besides 2d
[13:27:50] <XXCoder1> thanks
[13:28:30] <Jymmm> Since carvey can do gcode, I suspect that anyone could use easel for their ghettoCNC machine
[13:28:42] <XXCoder1> yeah
[13:28:49] <XXCoder1> free right? seemed so
[13:29:03] <dirty_d> XXCoder1, i doublt solvespace will get developed any more
[13:29:09] <Jymmm> Yeah, but I can't find the download or repository
[13:29:21] <XXCoder1> yeah? too bad dirty_d
[13:29:35] <ssi> XXCoder1: you do the soylent thing, don't you?
[13:29:39] <Jymmm> I didn't look THAT hard thogh
[13:29:41] <XXCoder1> ssi: yeah
[13:29:44] <ssi> how is it
[13:30:21] <dirty_d> XXCoder1, i ran into problems making more complex parts with solvespace too
[13:30:39] <dirty_d> once the sketch got complex enough it would kinda explode
[13:30:51] <dirty_d> solver couldnt solve it if you moved something just a little
[13:31:00] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i think that is a chordal arc
[13:31:04] <XXCoder1> ssi: well one thing to understand is that it's not made to be yummy. I usually add choculute powder to mix to taste better
[13:31:16] <XXCoder1> but yeah been great though
[13:31:24] <ssi> you do it for 100% of meals?
[13:31:26] <XXCoder1> 1.4 is even better! no more oil bottles
[13:31:42] <XXCoder1> not yet, too lazy to do more than one meal for work lol
[13:32:00] <XXCoder1> there is many that do 100% and no problems
[13:32:02] <dirty_d> can you buy that stuff without waiting 6 months yet?
[13:32:12] <XXCoder1> dirty_d: yep its down to couple weeks
[13:32:17] <ssi> they're claiming 4 weeks
[13:32:18] <dirty_d> i wanted to try it
[13:32:19] <XXCoder1> they mostly caught up
[13:32:32] <ssi> but there's community recipes, and they have tools to dump an entire order into amazon
[13:32:36] <dirty_d> maybe ill wait a little
[13:32:37] <ssi> which could be interesting to try
[13:32:38] <XXCoder1> order now and wait a bit - order single week
[13:32:46] <dirty_d> let any kinks get worked out with the "beta testers"
[13:32:47] <dirty_d> lol
[13:32:53] <XXCoder1> its small enough to afford
[13:32:59] <XXCoder1> dirty_d: 1.4 is major imporoivment
[13:33:20] <XXCoder1> dirty_d: been using since 1.1
[14:07:19] <ssi> XXCoder1: I ordered a week
[14:07:46] <XXCoder1> nice. just adjust to it slowly, start one meal a day with rest being usual
[14:07:51] <XXCoder1> increase till 100%
[14:08:03] <XXCoder1> or maybe be like me and use it as amazing convient work meal
[14:10:30] <ssi> that's my plan
[14:10:34] <ssi> I have nothing to eat at work :(
[14:11:02] <XXCoder1> no vend machines full of unhealthy food?>
[14:11:18] <XXCoder1> I miss my old intrnship site, they got amazing vend machines
[14:11:33] <ssi> yeah there's a vending machine
[14:11:39] <ssi> my only option for lunch today is a honeybun hahah
[14:11:43] <ssi> but I'm trying to avoid that
[14:11:44] <XXCoder1> yummy
[14:11:46] <XXCoder1> lol yeah
[14:12:19] <XXCoder1> last thursday I had to get big az hamburger because I ran out of soylent. thankfully it arrived that day (but after I left)
[14:13:34] <XXCoder1> ssi: first order is slow but once you get your week it will be much faster
[14:13:35] <Cromaglious> mmmm Soylent green makes me hungry
[14:13:53] <XXCoder1> that order took only 3 days to arrive
[14:14:37] <_methods> ugh thx to the army i can't even look at honey buns
[14:14:49] <XXCoder1> I remember star crunch
[14:14:56] <XXCoder1> I used to eat that so often
[14:15:48] <XXCoder1> ssi: I highly suggest get blender bottle, it has blender ball so its so easy to mix up soylent in
[14:16:24] <XXCoder1> add water till above ball, add powder, add some more water, mix then fill with water, mix some more then stick in ref for 2 hours
[14:16:39] <XXCoder1> I mix mine on first break and its ready by lunch
[14:26:52] <ssi> XXCoder1: I have blender bottles
[14:26:58] <XXCoder1> nice
[14:27:12] <ssi> _methods: we call honeybuns "airport steaks"
[14:27:27] <XXCoder1> I do highly recommand 2 hours rest time. no idea why but it don't taste as good fresh.
[14:27:40] <ssi> haha ok
[14:27:57] <_methods> hahah
[14:28:31] <_methods> they would always have those nasty things at the field chow halls
[14:28:46] <_methods> cases of honey buns
[14:29:14] <XXCoder1> I couldnt eat honey buns ore than once a week. star crunch is worse but in least I could eat em eevryday.
[14:29:55] <ssi> _methods: when you're flying ten hours trying to get somewhere, and the only option at fuel stops is a vending machine, the honeybun is the bang for the buck
[14:30:05] <_methods> yeah
[14:30:14] <_methods> that sux
[14:30:19] <zeeshan> anyone have a renishaw probe?
[14:30:29] <_methods> i had one sold it on ebay
[14:30:32] <_methods> tp9
[14:30:39] <zeeshan> im a bit confused on all the models
[14:30:46] <ssi> yeah theer's a million
[14:30:48] <zeeshan> i see the jcp version is something they recommend for manual machines
[14:30:49] <_methods> that's highly likely lol
[14:30:59] <zeeshan> but it needs metal work piece
[14:31:10] <zeeshan> the omp series probes, will they work with non metallics?
[14:31:15] <XXCoder1> cmm probe
[14:31:46] <_methods> no idea
[14:31:59] <_methods> you'll have to do your homework on that
[14:44:09] <archivist> renishaw has lots of docs on their site
[14:49:17] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uCy0NEbJf4s
[14:49:23] <XXCoder1> might be my next cnc LOL
[14:54:04] <Jymmm> YAY!!!
[14:55:17] <XXCoder1> though I wonder if it is better to just get all out of can and make custom cheese extruder
[14:55:21] <XXCoder1> better control.
[14:55:38] <_methods> don't think about it too much
[14:55:53] <_methods> you'll only do permanent damage
[14:55:58] <Jymmm> Nacho cheese comes in #10 cans too =)
[14:55:59] <XXCoder1> I hate whiz, I would rather make real cheese printer lol
[14:56:07] <_methods> your brain will fill with cheeze whiz
[14:56:22] <_methods> damn see now you got Jymmm thinking
[14:56:58] <Jymmm> That be SIX POUNDS of CHEESY GOODNESS
[14:57:04] <XXCoder1> lol
[14:57:24] <Jymmm> CNC Nachos?
[14:57:35] <_methods> slap an auger in that 10# can
[14:58:16] <Rab> I don't think you'll get satisfactory 3D cheese printing without a phase change.
[14:58:18] <Jymmm> Nah, french press style pluncher
[14:58:27] <Jymmm> plunger
[14:58:52] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure about printing nachos, but I think there's a distinct value in pick-and-place nacho construction, that way you get just the right amount of all the ingredients on every chip.
[14:58:56] <Rab> How about subtractive laser cheese sculpting?
[14:58:59] <Jymmm> Rab: Fine, we'll add a bloworch
[14:59:35] <FinboySlick> Plus, you should already have an oven nearby :)
[14:59:50] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: This is nachos, not pizza
[15:00:00] <Rab> http://www.news.wisc.edu/9295
[15:00:05] <FinboySlick> Nachos go in the oven.
[15:01:13] <_methods> this is all your fault XXCoder1
[15:01:22] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-jGIal505A
[15:01:25] <Jymmm> Rab: That's a waste of a laser, waterjet works far better
[15:01:57] <Jymmm> Rab: including cutting sandwiches in half
[15:02:09] <XXCoder1> water soaked sandwinches
[15:02:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: not at all actually
[15:02:59] <Rab> Jymmm, I see what you're saying, but I'm hoping the laser will crisp the edges of the cheese for flavor enhancement. Wet cheese is just gross.
[15:03:52] <Jymmm> Rab: lol
[15:04:19] <Jymmm> Rab: http://www.burntimpressions.com/toasted-selfies.php
[15:05:24] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I think Jesus used one of those once.
[15:05:24] <XXCoder1> lol selfie toaster
[15:05:31] <XXCoder1> yeah
[15:05:51] <XXCoder1> anyway just get one of those, then figure how to cnc mill new ones
[15:07:14] <_methods> it ain't easy bein cheezie
[15:20:24] <XXCoder1> jeez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJbizELHYQ
[15:34:33] <Jymmm> Do these people even have a fucking clue?! Really, cnc full sheet stock to make a raised bed gardens!? FUCK, gimme a stack of palletes if you want something that's truly eco friendly. Don't recycle, reuse!!! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aker-print-your-urban-farm--2
[15:35:11] <XXCoder1> what the fuck
[15:35:28] <Jymmm> fucking hipsters
[15:35:32] <SpeedEvil> hah
[15:35:43] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - cheap plywood is awesome.
[15:35:44] <XXCoder1> glad I'm other kind of h not hipser
[15:35:46] <SpeedEvil> For some things.
[15:35:53] <SpeedEvil> Outdoors is not one of them.
[15:36:19] <SpeedEvil> It's also damn heavy
[15:36:20] <Jymmm> pallets are free and plentiflul in an urban area anyway
[15:36:38] <Rab> That doesn't look like cheap plywood.
[15:36:40] <Jymmm> They b too dumb/lazy to pick up a tool
[15:36:46] <XXCoder1> any of you hippie? I'm well 1/4 hippie lol
[15:36:51] <Jymmm> Rab: nope, looks $$$ actually
[15:37:02] <Rab> All AKER Kits are made with Baltic Birch plywood. Our materials use exterior-grade adhesives without any added toxins.
[15:37:26] <XXCoder1> cnercete blocks is cheaper than plywood AND cnc machine
[15:37:40] <XXCoder1> 4x8 feet cnc rputer isnt commonly owned
[15:37:59] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder1: Or cast your own concrete even
[15:38:04] <SpeedEvil> which can be remarkably cheap
[15:38:05] <XXCoder1> indeed
[15:38:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibreglass-heavy-plastering-rendering-reinforcing-mesh-roll-1M-x-50M-165gsm-/380994770209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58b50ed521
[15:38:20] <XXCoder1> expecially if you use old concerete broken down as fill
[15:38:27] <SpeedEvil> I am trying to work out the details on how to cast prestressed panels using this stuff
[15:38:39] <SpeedEvil> Which should be cheap, light, and robust
[15:38:44] <XXCoder1> just go to whecking nuilding and ask you probably can get piles concetete free, break em down and fill
[15:40:44] <SpeedEvil> I'm assuming nuilding is building - I can't imagine what whecking could be :)
[15:41:18] <XXCoder1> yes, and second one - well go to place where building or something is being broken down\
[15:41:23] <XXCoder1> wrecking
[15:41:47] <SpeedEvil> I've also been wondering about http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000KG-40X25KG-Fine-Glass-Grit-Blast-Abrasive-Shot-Sand-Blasting-Metal-Wood-/251511725831?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a8f445f07
[15:42:10] <SpeedEvil> Tip into mould, heat to 900C for 30 minutes, get out fused semi-dense glass.
[15:44:02] <XXCoder1> sometimes its just best to try
[15:44:05] <XXCoder1> see what happens
[15:44:10] <SpeedEvil> And to bring that onto a linuxcnc topic - sorting random colours of glass grit into homogenous stuff seems like fun
[15:44:39] <SpeedEvil> Imagine glass bricks, but with full colour designs on and through them.
[15:44:52] <SpeedEvil> (translucent, not transparent)
[15:47:36] <XXCoder1> yeah nice I bet
[15:47:46] <XXCoder1> wonder if it would look awesome when lit lol
[15:51:19] <XXCoder1> whats last thing you saw someone say?
[15:51:24] <XXCoder1> SpeedEvil:
[15:52:56] <SpeedEvil> <XXCoder1> see what happens
[15:52:58] <SpeedEvil> Stupid network
[15:53:03] <XXCoder1> fun
[15:53:26] <XXCoder1> anyway I said bit more after
[15:53:38] <XXCoder1> yeah nice I bet
[15:53:42] <XXCoder1> wonder if it would look awesome when lit lol
[15:53:49] <XXCoder1> there you go
[15:54:01] <SpeedEvil> That's the idea - backlit or underlit but quite cheap
[15:54:48] <SpeedEvil> A 'small' zone furnace would be ideal, but that's a bit ahrd to do.
[15:54:58] <XXCoder1> what bout kiln
[15:55:14] <XXCoder1> try find criaglist from some ex-pottery hobbist
[15:55:58] <SpeedEvil> Yes - a standard kiln is easy to make.
[15:56:14] <SpeedEvil> But not so easy to run 1000kg of glass powder through in a batch
[15:56:49] <XXCoder1> pallet sized kiln for $300
[15:56:56] <XXCoder1> way overkill lol https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/art/4957171462.html
[15:57:46] <XXCoder1> $0 https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/art/4949043164.html
[15:57:55] <XXCoder1> yeah kilns is easy to fund
[15:57:57] <XXCoder1> *find
[15:58:06] <SpeedEvil> Building a moderate sized kiln isn't really hard.
[15:58:12] <XXCoder1> yeah
[15:58:19] <XXCoder1> but if has no building skills it isnt too hard
[15:58:35] <SpeedEvil> But a production line, not batch process would be lots more awesome
[15:59:02] <XXCoder1> ahh planning a basically factory eh
[15:59:16] <XXCoder1> I worked with long kiln machines before
[15:59:41] <SpeedEvil> yeah - if I was wanting to be doing this - I would want to be doing enough to do significant construction with them - not just three
[15:59:43] <XXCoder1> low temp ones (say 500c?). there was insanely hotter ones in sane factory
[16:00:01] <XXCoder1> s/sane/same
[16:01:00] <SpeedEvil> yes - the temperature needed to hit is pretty high - ~900Cish, but not impossible
[16:01:17] <XXCoder1> I used to work at capactor chip factory
[16:01:22] <XXCoder1> boring lol
[16:01:59] <SpeedEvil> Sligtly more exotic ceramics.
[16:02:32] <XXCoder1> I used to run $3 million capactor chip cnc machine
[16:03:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:03:14] <XXCoder1> it automically dips 100+ chips at once, dry, punch to other side, dip, then punch em out
[16:03:29] <XXCoder1> rainbows happen pretty annoying often
[16:03:59] <XXCoder1> (chip fall out and block dip layer so theres "rainbow" line that affect few chips)
[16:04:56] <XXCoder1> http://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/art/4955506473.html not bad
[16:05:11] <XXCoder1> small and easy to use to melt glass. I wanted to try glass molds or something
[16:05:43] <XXCoder1> SpeedEvil: talking about glass, check this insane engine out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73txXT21aZU
[16:06:38] <XXCoder1> glass. amazing eh lol
[16:06:44] <XXCoder1> all glass
[16:06:56] <XXCoder1> well besides 3 things lol
[16:09:38] <malcom2073> I like how they say "Rare!"
[16:09:41] <malcom2073> As if that makes any difference at all
[16:09:51] <XXCoder1> yeah
[16:10:34] <malcom2073> Cool, for sure, but the buzzfeedyness of it kinda kills it
[16:10:56] <XXCoder1> rare can be meaningless
[16:11:02] <malcom2073> It often is
[16:11:03] <XXCoder1> I can scabble randonly on paper
[16:11:06] <XXCoder1> it is unique
[16:11:10] <XXCoder1> literally one of kind
[16:11:19] <XXCoder1> none has same curves and stuff like it
[16:11:22] <malcom2073> I used to have this in my office: http://blog.rpgmakerweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/unique-is-not-useful.jpg
[16:11:23] <XXCoder1> but worth it? nah lol
[16:11:32] <XXCoder1> lol
[16:11:50] <malcom2073> I have a wooden steam engine model
[16:11:55] <malcom2073> Hook a compressor to it, it runs
[16:12:06] <XXCoder1> cant run on water and fire though lol
[16:12:13] <malcom2073> Nope heh
[16:12:14] <XXCoder1> well it would, for a bit lol
[16:12:17] <malcom2073> Haha
[16:12:20] <malcom2073> likely yeah
[16:12:20] <XXCoder1> then it becomes fuek
[16:12:58] <XXCoder1> hey a idea. wooden steam engine running under real steam engine. wooden one would run and get burning and power real one.
[16:12:59] <XXCoder1> :P
[16:13:18] <malcom2073> Haha nice
[16:13:32] <malcom2073> I wanna take this one and try to sell it, buddy of mine gave it to me cause he didn't want to take it with him while he moved
[16:13:38] <malcom2073> looks fancy enough I'll bet I can get some fool to pay for it
[16:15:21] <XXCoder1> steam engine. nice idea to make with cnc machine
[16:15:30] <XXCoder1> flat pattern
[16:33:45] * SpeedEvil ponders a flat-pack steam engine made from plywood
[16:35:53] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, is there a device that can steer power from two ac sources into one output without backffeding into them?
[16:36:05] <LeelooMinai> A, wait, wrong channel
[16:36:16] <LeelooMinai> Well, unless someone knows of it here:)
[16:42:39] <Cromaglious> LeelooMinai, I've kinda done it by using 2 different 120v outlet to power a 240v outlet
[16:43:03] <Cromaglious> but you're using 2 different legs... out of the panel
[16:43:33] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: not simply
[16:43:55] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I am thinking more of a situation where one has two ac power sources, with no phase correlation, and combining them for one output somehow, without affecting them in any way.
[16:44:07] <Cromaglious> cuz most AC sources are running off the same panel... unless you're talk 2 different generators
[16:44:12] <LeelooMinai> Two 110V sources to be exact.
[16:44:54] <Cromaglious> retify into 110vdc, then have an inverter circuit to sent it back out as AC
[16:44:54] <LeelooMinai> One from solar panel inverter and one from mains. I know about grid-tie inverters, but I need to avoid them.
[16:45:00] <SpeedEvil> The right way to do this is to take two first halves of a SMPS - with the power factor correction -> DC bus circuit, and feed both of them into an isolated transformer
[16:45:27] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: Two first halves?
[16:45:54] <SpeedEvil> The AC -> high voltage stabilised DC@380V or so
[16:46:31] <malcom2073> going solar DC -> AC -> DC -> AC seems kinda silly though
[16:47:05] <SpeedEvil> Or yes - if doing that - tehre is no need to do the intermediate AC step
[16:47:52] <SpeedEvil> For this limited case for example, using an efficient AC->DC transformer hooked to batteries and solar cells can work well and then an inverter to run any required DC loads
[16:48:46] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: Yes, but this has many problems, including battery cost and maintenance.
[16:49:15] <SpeedEvil> yes - exact design is complex
[16:50:16] <LeelooMinai> That's why it made me wonder... shouldn't it be in theory possible to combine two ac sources into one in some simpler/more cost effective way?
[16:50:58] <LeelooMinai> You have two 110V with different phases, more or less the same frequency.
[16:52:26] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: It's really not.
[16:52:30] <LeelooMinai> I guess to synchronize them, there would be some energy storage required, but only during relatively short cycle - so instead of batteries something else, caps or inductors.
[16:53:18] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: yes - you don't need batteries - the above solution - two AC->HVDC stages, followed by one DC-DC bridge to join the power, followed by a h-bridge to make AC from DC
[16:53:21] <LeelooMinai> Logically such device should be possible to build, but if they have a name... I don't know.
[16:53:45] <SpeedEvil> The only simpler way is a motor-generator with a limited slip differential type thing
[16:54:16] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: Ok, but are such things sold even?
[16:54:24] <SpeedEvil> No
[16:54:28] <LeelooMinai> lol...
[16:54:35] <LeelooMinai> Why?
[16:54:46] <SpeedEvil> Because they are not commonly desired
[16:54:52] <LeelooMinai> Wonderful
[16:55:16] <malcom2073> VFD does basically just that, converts to DC, then back to AC at the desired frequency ( in this case, phase?)
[16:55:30] <SpeedEvil> It's a market failure. Tehre are probably enough people wanting one that it would be viable - but you can't get them together with a maker
[16:55:44] <Cromaglious> hehe.. 2 motors on a common shaft with one motor with changable phase.. IE it rotates around the shaft..
[16:56:08] <Cromaglious> with variable transformers to equalizr the loads on the motors
[16:56:49] <LeelooMinai> Well, my thinking pertains to a situation when I have solar panels and want some device (say computer) to use their energy if it's available, but AC mains otherwise without jumping through crazy expenses and hoops with power company and regulation requirements for anything feeding power back to mains.
[16:57:23] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: You could do it with some smart switching mains relays and some fancy circuit layout in your house
[16:57:27] <malcom2073> Plus a UPS heh
[16:57:27] <LeelooMinai> If I could combine two source as I described, I could basically forget about them.
[16:58:15] <LeelooMinai> That would probably requires some batteries, no?
[16:58:16] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: One way is a lightly modified UPS.
[16:58:23] <malcom2073> The problem is still that you could potentially cause a feed back to the mains
[16:58:30] <SpeedEvil> Solar plugs into UPS battery.
[16:58:46] <SpeedEvil> Mains->battery as a power supply
[16:59:06] <SpeedEvil> Shunt regulator on the battery bus
[16:59:20] <SpeedEvil> (solar DC)
[16:59:35] <SpeedEvil> Coincidentally I have the bits for this
[16:59:52] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: Mains-> battery?
[16:59:54] <malcom2073> buddy of mine is doing basically that, solar charges the batteries, mains also charges the batteries if solar can't keep up.
[17:00:28] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: you can leave out the batteries, but it puts more demands on the 'charging' PSU
[17:00:45] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, I see, so two battery chargers charging battery then inverter from there?
[17:00:50] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:01:14] <LeelooMinai> Two chargers and one battery at the same time... what can go wrong? :)
[17:01:48] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if those things are designed for that...
[17:02:04] <SpeedEvil> It's complex.
[17:02:12] <SpeedEvil> If you understand it it can be made to work safely
[17:03:02] <LeelooMinai> Hmm...
[17:04:17] <SpeedEvil> It's very much the same problem as 'how do I connect two engines to my car"
[17:05:09] <LeelooMinai> Well, it's a pretty simple idea - I am surprised that there are no ready-designed devices for that (ac, not car engine:)
[17:06:04] <LeelooMinai> Someone mentioned stackable wind turbine grid-tie inverter
[17:06:11] <LeelooMinai> On ##electronics
[17:06:22] <LeelooMinai> This makes sense - the output from those is ac
[17:06:55] <SpeedEvil> that will backfeed
[17:14:25] <furrywolf> most any quality solar inverter will do what you want.
[17:14:44] <Deejay> gn8
[17:15:02] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: I don't see how.
[17:15:22] <LeelooMinai> Ok, thx
[17:15:28] <LeelooMinai> oops.
[17:16:04] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: I don't want typical solar power scenario.
[17:16:31] <furrywolf> for example, my Outback system can be set up with a small battery bank. when solar is available, it'll charge the batteries and run all loads off the solar. when solar goes away, it'll run loads off the batteries until they reach a user-set state of charge (say, 50%), then start drawing power off the mains. when solar comes back, it'll charge the batteries and run off solar again. If your loads exceed what the solar can supply, then it'll draw from m
[17:18:28] <furrywolf> this isn't that unusual of a setup. it's a way to maximize how much of your solar power you can use, without selling any to the grid.
[17:19:17] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, what is Outback? Some company?
[17:19:48] <furrywolf> many areas when you sell to the grid, you only get paid a small portion of what they charge for the same amount of electricity, so you want to store some of your own for later use, rather than sell to grid.
[17:20:17] <furrywolf> http://www.outbackpower.com/
[17:20:21] <LeelooMinai> Right, I read about batteries though and they seem to be problematic - need some deep cycles, are costly and can do nasty things
[17:20:57] <furrywolf> you'd only need a small battery bank, and could use AGM, which will last a long time if you don't deepcycle them.
[17:21:24] <furrywolf> Most brands require some battery capacity to function, other than explicit grid-tie-only products.
[17:22:40] <furrywolf> my Outback even does shiny things like, when switched to generator input, if you try drawing more power than the generator puts out, it'll run the generator at full load and then provide the extra from the batteries...
[17:25:16] <furrywolf> it'll also auto-start the generator for me, but I'd need a remote-startable generator to do that. :)
[17:26:26] <furrywolf> hrmm, that's funky. one of the diagrams they show on their websites implies it's even smart enough to detect something plugged into the inverter attempting to sell to the inverter, and will charge off that.
[17:28:27] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess I should investigate this option. I guess if it can switch to mains when battery is, say, 90%, it would not stress the battery as much.
[17:28:51] <furrywolf> heh, with a warning that it can't regulate the charger in that mode - since reducing the charging power would cause the mains power to immediately swing out of spec.
[17:28:58] <LeelooMinai> Somehow I thought it would need some super-expensive batteries that can do 1000 deep cycles or somethin
[17:29:00] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: Where are you again - I forgot
[17:29:04] <LeelooMinai> Canada
[17:29:09] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[17:29:28] <furrywolf> ... solar panels require sun, you know. not snow nor dark.
[17:29:30] <SpeedEvil> At least here oddly - the 'backfeed to mains' and 'get paid for backfeeding to mains' are seperate
[17:29:47] <SpeedEvil> seperate permissions
[17:29:58] <SpeedEvil> backfeeding to mains is simply a notification
[17:30:11] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: Well, they are, since for getting payed it's even worse - you need to buy expensive power meter, etc.
[17:30:28] <SpeedEvil> If you want paid - you ahve to do it very differently
[17:30:32] <furrywolf> LeelooMinai: you could configure it to never actually use the battery except during a power failure, but then you risk wasting solar power, because if you can't sell it, and you're generating more than you're using...
[17:30:37] <LeelooMinai> Problem for me is that I need CAS-certified devices to feed anything into mains and they are expensive.
[17:30:52] <furrywolf> Outback products are expensive too.
[17:31:00] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I don't want to get payed - my installation is too small.
[17:31:06] <furrywolf> I think retail on my inverter is in the US$1800 range.
[17:31:12] <LeelooMinai> It's only to cover some basaline of my usage.
[17:31:27] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: But it is probably lots of W, no?
[17:31:34] <LeelooMinai> I only need 500watt max or so
[17:31:35] <furrywolf> 3500W continous
[17:31:40] <LeelooMinai> Right...
[17:31:47] <furrywolf> 4000 for 5 minutes or something like that
[17:32:20] <furrywolf> but, as a warning, outback doesn't sell anything cheap. heh.
[17:32:27] <furrywolf> none of the name-brand solar companies do
[17:32:36] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: yes - baseload generation or twice is a really decent plan
[17:32:50] <SpeedEvil> It is the fastest way to pay off (without subsidy)
[17:33:03] <SpeedEvil> Trying to reengineer your loads to be running off solar is annoying
[17:33:50] <SpeedEvil> The very easiest way is to run a subset of loads off DC
[17:34:19] <SpeedEvil> For example do a 28VDC bus (picked for the lowest output voltage of a 250W panel)
[17:34:27] <furrywolf> of course, there's also the "sell to the grid and don't tell anyone" strategy, which is quite widely employed.
[17:34:31] <SpeedEvil> Connect your various lighting and such loads to this bus
[17:34:43] <furrywolf> no. it is NEVER useful, easy, or cheap to switch to DC loads.
[17:34:45] <SpeedEvil> And power it either from a mains PSU through a diode, or the solar panel
[17:34:51] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: But then when solar goes off... :)
[17:34:59] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: the mains PSU takes over
[17:35:13] <furrywolf> the cost of the DC parts will exceed the cost of the inverter and AC parts.
[17:35:19] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It depends.
[17:35:25] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I had a thought like that - thought about powering PCs with DC
[17:35:27] <SpeedEvil> I don't mean swapping to DC loads, that's silly.
[17:35:45] <SpeedEvil> But, for example, running existing DC loads off DC-DC converters
[17:35:52] <SpeedEvil> Which cost $2 or so.
[17:36:06] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: But PC is DC load...
[17:36:14] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:36:23] <LeelooMinai> Almost ewverything is:)
[17:36:42] <SpeedEvil> It's lots easier with a smaller PC of course
[17:36:45] <furrywolf> just geta small chinese grid-tie inverter and don't tell the power company. as long as your generation never exceeds your usage, you won't even be selling anyway. :)
[17:36:47] <SpeedEvil> ratehr than a 500W monster
[17:37:17] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: Yes, but then, one day some power-person will notice the solar panels and casualy ask how I use them:)
[17:37:38] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300W-Solar-Grid-Tie-Power-Inverter-Converter-10-5v-28v-DC-90-140V-AC-/160891957271
[17:38:03] <LeelooMinai> Yes, those were my initial happy plan... until I learned they are illegal:/
[17:38:16] <LeelooMinai> Kind of fubared my strategy.
[17:38:52] <LeelooMinai> They still have anti-islanding and are fine, but, no CAS certification.
[17:40:37] <furrywolf> what I didn't know, that I do know now, is that if you plug one of those into the output of my Outback inverter, it'll stuff the power from it into the batteries. so I could mount solar panels some distance away and plug them into the AC wiring, instead of needing to run heavy DC cabling.
[17:41:32] <LeelooMinai> That's probably illegal too:p
[17:41:46] <furrywolf> I'm off-grid.
[17:41:53] <LeelooMinai> O, completely?
[17:41:55] <furrywolf> yes
[17:42:12] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I guess you can do anything there.
[17:42:49] <furrywolf> anything except run the electric dryer in cloudy weather. that's still illegal. :P
[17:42:54] <SpeedEvil> Except run the d...
[17:44:12] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, "Two (or more) Morningstar charge controllers can be paralleled to charge the same battery bank."
[17:44:19] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it's not that exotic
[17:44:33] <furrywolf> multiple charge controllers is common. why would you think it wouldn't work?
[17:45:24] <LeelooMinai> Something about them messing each other up:)
[17:46:08] <LeelooMinai> But I would need one controller to take power from the solar and one from mains
[17:46:18] <furrywolf> you use the voltage setpoints if you want to prioritize one charging over the other... like you could set your mains one to 28.6V and the solar one to 28.8V, so if it's floating off the solar, it won't charge anything from the grid, etc.
[17:46:35] <furrywolf> most good inverters are inverter/charger combos, like the outbacks.
[17:47:01] <LeelooMinai> Let me see how crazy prices they have
[17:47:19] <furrywolf> my inverter charges 85A @ 28V
[17:47:46] <LeelooMinai> They seem to have battery combined with them (?)
[17:48:04] <furrywolf> which?
[17:48:11] <LeelooMinai> http://www.outbackpower.com/outback-products/inverters-chargers
[17:48:18] <LeelooMinai> Just opened a page
[17:48:21] <furrywolf> an inverter with a built-in battery is called a UPS. :)
[17:48:42] <LeelooMinai> Yesm well, they call them inverter/chargers somehow
[17:48:57] <furrywolf> they sell kits with a battery box included, yes
[17:50:02] <furrywolf> http://www.outbackpower.com/index.php/outback-products/inverters-chargers/item/vented-gvfx3524?category_id=444 is the one I have. I also have their MX60 charge controller, Hub-4 communications hub, Flexnet-DC dc monitor, and Mate display/rs232 interface.
[17:51:03] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: Are you some kind of, I don't know, society-separatist? :)
[17:52:04] <furrywolf> lol
[17:52:36] <furrywolf> FX port 1, inv 1.0A, chg 0.0A, buy 0.0A, sell 0.0A, load 1.0A, in 0.0V, out 122.0V, batt 30.2V, mode 2, ac 0, error 0x00, warning 0x00, misc 0x08.
[17:52:36] <furrywolf> MX port 2, chg 19.0A, pv 0.0A, batt 30.4V, pv 37.0V, daily 0.0kWh 9999.0Ah, aux 0, error 0x00, charger 5.
[17:52:36] <furrywolf> FN port 3, A 10.9A (enabled), B 0.0A (disabled), C 0.0A (disabled), batt 30.0V, btemp 99.0C, SOC 100.0%, flags 0x00, extra id 3, data 0.00.
[17:52:43] <furrywolf> current status of my outback system. :)
[17:54:36] <LeelooMinai> furrywolf: You see, when I look at most of those setups, like that of yours, they write that it's intended as backup in case of mains go off
[17:55:15] * furrywolf finds "preppers" annoying
[17:56:56] <LeelooMinai> Those people that prepare for end of the world?
[17:57:47] <furrywolf> yes
[17:57:59] <LeelooMinai> I guess it's kind of weird to spend so much energy on something that has low chance of happening, yes
[17:58:28] <LeelooMinai> But maybe it's more like a hobby:)
[17:59:03] <LeelooMinai> So when they meet they can have a beer and talk who has more food stored in their bunker.
[17:59:14] <furrywolf> lol
[18:29:11] <SpeedEvil> It does depend.
[18:29:41] <SpeedEvil> 'prepping' - done properly - can not only cope with TEOTWAWKI - but not being able to easily afford food for 6 months
[18:30:21] <SpeedEvil> I try to keep ~6mo of food.
[18:30:32] <_methods> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_transition_theory
[18:30:40] <SpeedEvil> Storable stuff that I'm not going to stop eating - purchased on offer
[18:30:46] <_methods> the odds of shtf are not as slim as you think
[18:32:46] <zeeshan> interesting conversation above
[18:33:15] <zeeshan> https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachments/electrical-lighting/32478d1281535745-wiring-step-up-transformer-split-20phase-20small.gif
[18:33:18] <zeeshan> queestion though
[18:33:28] <zeeshan> if you were to measure l1 to n and l2 to n
[18:33:35] <zeeshan> they would be 180 degrees out of phase?
[18:34:54] <PCW> yes
[18:35:31] <zeeshan> why can't you use a cap to store the charge from one phase along with a diode and convert to 1.414*(240vac) then?
[18:35:37] <zeeshan> to get like 340vdc
[18:35:53] <zeeshan> i thought this is what 110vac to 240vac 3 phase vfds did
[18:36:46] <zeeshan> maybe im thinking of it wrong :p
[18:37:26] <PCW> reasonable size VFDs all run from 240V and up
[18:38:53] <zeeshan> teco makes a 1hp one
[18:38:57] <zeeshan> that runs off 115v
[18:39:03] <zeeshan> http://www.factorymation.com/FM50-101-C.html
[18:40:20] <PCW> probably a 1/2 bridge front end
[18:40:40] <PCW> (like a 120/240 PC power supply)
[18:41:34] <zeeshan> doesnt a half bridge give you this:
[18:41:41] <zeeshan> data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAS4AAACnCAMAAACYVkHVAAAA4VBMVEX///8AAAD/AACurq6jo6P/8vL/k5OGhob/jo78/Pz/9/f/+/v/b284ODj/YWH/3d3/ior/rKzi4uL/0tL/x8f/dnb/PDz/7u7Z2dn/WFj/Kirp6en/srL/u7tSUlKSkpL/29v/paX/e3v/5ub/T0//hIT/FBT/wMD/09P/np7/R0f/JCTNzc19fX0tLS3/enojIyNra2v/Xl7/Pz9ISEhfX1//MjK8vLyjtLT/GxujqqrBAABRAADxQUHOe3vMs7N2AACobGwYGBi/oqKjTk6jAADvqqouAADdAABZAABDAADeIrkwAAAHHElEQVR4nO2daV
[18:41:43] <zeeshan> wow
[18:41:47] <zeeshan> http://macao.communications.museum/images/exhibits/2_16_0_6.png
[18:42:14] <PCW> Since you are going to need big capacitors anyway, might as well arrange them as a 1 /2 bridge voltage doubler
[18:44:22] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Switcheable_rectifier.svg/300px-Switcheable_rectifier.svg.png
[18:44:26] <zeeshan> like that?
[18:44:41] <zeeshan> basically what you ewre saying is in a comp psu
[18:44:56] <PCW> well except its not switchable
[18:45:16] <zeeshan> yes
[18:45:18] <PCW> (well maybe it is)
[18:45:34] <zeeshan> ive never seen a 110v 3 phase motor
[18:58:39] <zeeshan> i wish they made a 240vac vfd that could drive 480v 3 ph motors
[18:58:43] <zeeshan> that would be sweet!
[20:00:04] <zeeshan> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/using-polio-to-kill-cancer-60-minutes/
[20:00:05] <zeeshan> hope this works out
[20:03:12] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: Vice did a special on it a few weeks ago
[20:03:25] <_methods> http://www.forbes.com/sites/arleneweintraub/2015/03/30/heres-what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-the-miracle-glioblastoma-treatment/
[20:03:39] <CaptHindsight> they are using different types of reprogrammed virus to cure cancers
[20:04:11] <zeeshan> _methods
[20:04:20] <CaptHindsight> one group was having trouble getting funding
[20:04:20] <zeeshan> some people will die. it depends on how far the progression is
[20:05:48] <_methods> Chabner added, "I think it was a disservice to the cancer community (physicians and patients) to present this in such a superficial and premature way."
[20:05:57] <_methods> http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/BrainCancer/50728
[20:06:00] <CaptHindsight> very few are actually working on it since it's a cure vs treatment
[20:06:15] <_methods> this is another example of 60 minutes not getting the full story
[20:06:27] <_methods> they just pulled this shit with lumber liquidators
[20:06:35] <CaptHindsight> but you just need to make the immune system to be aware of the cancer cells
[20:07:04] <zeeshan> i really thought nanobots would be a cool application
[20:07:17] <_methods> 60 minutes helped tilson greatly with short selling lumber liquidators
[20:07:28] <_methods> they lined the hell out of some pockets with that story
[20:07:29] <zeeshan> if you can make a small bot that binds to the cancer cell based on a specific marker
[20:07:30] <CaptHindsight> think of these as bio-nanobots
[20:07:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: They are, just ask the CD, NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, NBC, ....
[20:07:41] <zeeshan> and transports em down to the shitter :)
[20:07:43] <Jymmm> CDC*
[20:09:44] <zeeshan> a one time treatment is fine
[20:09:50] <zeeshan> just charge a lot for it to make your money
[20:10:50] <CaptHindsight> we need to find a virus to infect the greed neurons
[20:11:28] <jdh> or the politicians
[20:11:31] <CaptHindsight> find some way to release endorphin's based on helping vs screwing people over
[20:12:33] <bobo_> zeeshan : what is new and happening with the Mikron ?
[20:12:41] <zeeshan> mikron is puring
[20:12:45] <zeeshan> im working on my car
[20:13:30] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what was the problem with the power drivers? I know you put them all on the same power leg but did you even find out why they died when you didn't?
[20:13:55] <zeeshan> ill go with pcw's reason
[20:14:03] <CaptHindsight> which was?
[20:14:07] <zeeshan> mixed with mine
[20:14:18] <zeeshan> transient voltage spike fried the input side
[20:14:25] <zeeshan> as a result of shitty designed drives
[20:14:32] <CaptHindsight> what make?
[20:14:37] <zeeshan> amc
[20:14:38] <bobo_> zeeshan : Can you take a small break -----http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/deckel-maho-aciera-abene-mills/iron-tour-2015-lots-pics-301415/
[20:14:49] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they were at the automation show last week
[20:14:56] <CaptHindsight> I mentioned your problem
[20:14:57] <zeeshan> shoulda asked them why their shit blows up
[20:15:24] <zeeshan> and why they sand off all the chip names
[20:15:28] <zeeshan> :-)
[20:15:45] <CaptHindsight> got a nervous giggle and then awkward silence
[20:15:58] <zeeshan> lol CaptHindsight you're funny
[20:16:12] <zeeshan> http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k459/deckelite/Iron%20Tour%202015/IMG_7392.jpg
[20:16:15] <zeeshan> look a lathe on top of another lathe!
[20:16:54] <zeeshan> wow that fp4m is a big boy
[20:17:49] <zeeshan> bobo_: i bet the guys/girls who built my mikron never woulda thought their hard work would end up in a random garage in canada :)
[20:19:43] <bobo_> zeeshan : bet they would be glad you saved it from the scrappers
[20:20:00] <zeeshan> bobo_: honestly im not being biased cause i own the machine
[20:20:08] <zeeshan> but its 129012809123089312089328x better than the bridgeport boss series
[20:20:12] <zeeshan> and the other machine i looked at
[20:20:22] <zeeshan> they arent anywhere as well built
[20:22:35] <zeeshan> my biggest complaint is the travel on the machine
[20:22:35] <zeeshan> 400mm max in all directions
[20:22:44] <zeeshan> which it was at least 700mm
[20:23:06] <zeeshan> i wish that guy with the maho 800c responded first!
[20:23:23] <bobo_> bridgeport was built for a different group/use/thinking
[20:23:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, almost as nice as a Matsuura, hass and similar :)
[20:23:51] <zeeshan> i can see why knee mills arent good for cnc work
[20:24:28] <zeeshan> bobo_: f ind me a cheap mikron cnc lathe!
[20:24:54] <zeeshan> (i dont think they made one)
[20:24:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vmc-CNC-Laser-deposition-Router-3D-Printer-Welding-Plasma-Automation-Mach-EMC2-/360876720925
[20:25:07] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: thats a nice machine
[20:25:15] * zeeshan loves proper column machines
[20:26:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-V550A-Vertical-Machining-Center-with-Pallet-Changer-CNC-VMC-/131472257301
[20:27:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEBLOND-MAKINO-FNC-74-A30-4-AXIS-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/331515924380
[20:27:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-MV55-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-Yasnac-MX2-Control-24-ATC-22-x-55-/181703525330
[20:28:28] <zeeshan> out of the ads you posted
[20:28:32] <zeeshan> the leblond one is the best
[20:28:37] <bobo_> zeeshan: speaking of hate-discontent, ask them about converting a Leinen DLZ140 to CNC via Mach3
[20:29:00] <zeeshan> bobo ill never convert a manual machine to cnc
[20:29:04] <zeeshan> again
[20:29:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-760-V2-Vertical-Machining-Center-945280-/251785669386
[20:29:20] <zeeshan> its much cheaper to convert and better to convert with ball screws etc
[20:29:35] <zeeshan> and you're doing it wrong if you're running mach 3 :)
[20:29:36] <bobo_> not the point
[20:31:05] <zeeshan> w/ a lathe i want these: automatic tool changer, horizontal bed, live tooling
[20:31:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-MV55-CNC-any-part-u-want-/161655777687 Item location: Hastings, Michigan
[20:31:27] <CaptHindsight> $3k
[20:32:01] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAKINO-MCP-100-4-AXIS-CNC-HORIZONTAL-MACHINING-CENTER-w-22-ROTARY-TABLE-/381200280601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58c14eac19
[20:32:13] <_methods> $8500
[20:32:34] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTAwWDY3NQ==/z/7IQAAOSwqu9VDJok/$_57.JPG
[20:32:41] <zeeshan> i hope that wiring job isnt factory!
[20:34:32] <_methods> soo many machines and so little room
[20:35:28] <zeeshan> i had to sell my sand blaster
[20:35:30] <zeeshan> to make some room :/
[20:35:35] <zeeshan> i never used that thing anyway
[20:35:46] <zeeshan> i bought it thinking i could blast stuff before welding -- that didnt work too well
[20:35:59] <zeeshan> it contaminates the weld with sand particles , even after i clean them with acetone
[20:36:06] <zeeshan> i guess cause the particles get embedded in the metal
[20:40:21] <_methods> alright well i guess i'm going to go to sleep and dream about all the machines i don't have room for in my garage
[20:48:15] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8npt-Cool-Tool-HP-jet-high-pressure-coolant-nozzle-CNC-mill-lathe-grinder-/321054461434
[20:48:23] <_methods> who is dumb enough to pay that much for that
[20:50:50] <zeeshan> its got a special nozzle man!
[20:51:04] <zeeshan> _methods: i learned about a variable geometry face mill
[20:51:31] <zeeshan> that is designed so that it varies the cutting edge contact with the work piece so that you don't have one natural frequency
[20:51:37] <zeeshan> it prolly costs like $40 in metal
[20:51:41] <zeeshan> but they sell it for like 800$!
[20:51:45] <zeeshan> patented technology
[20:57:41] <_methods> thats an 1/8 npt fitting with a swaged piece of copper tubing lol
[20:59:17] <_methods> i need to try selling stupid stuff like that on ebay
[21:02:51] <furrywolf> it's not even really swaged. that looks more like they just cut it with a tubing cutter.
[21:03:05] <furrywolf> the fitting is about $4, the tubing about $0.25... retail, at a hardware store.
[21:03:20] <bobo_> zeeshin so if you get another CNC lathe -- surface grinder --- radial arm drill press -----Deckel S11 grinder---- etc +, where is that black car and the cat going ?
[21:03:48] <furrywolf> the only thing non-standard is it might have a spherical instead of conical washer
[21:06:27] <zeeshan> bobo haha
[21:06:43] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/sYiDZ
[21:06:48] <zeeshan> i showed this to one of my friends
[21:06:52] <zeeshan> and now i got an aluminum welding job
[21:06:52] <zeeshan> !
[21:06:59] <furrywolf> I wish I had room for stuff.
[21:07:06] <furrywolf> and money to buy stuff.
[21:07:17] <zeeshan> tools are an investment
[21:07:19] <zeeshan> they make you money
[21:07:39] <renesis> yes when you eventually sell the shop
[21:07:45] <zeeshan> ??
[21:07:47] <furrywolf> they require money, and they only make money if you're both good at them and find something to do with them
[21:07:52] <zeeshan> yea they'll make money then
[21:07:55] <zeeshan> but my welder paid for itself
[21:07:58] <zeeshan> lathe did too
[21:08:01] <zeeshan> mill is on its way
[21:08:26] <zeeshan> the most useless piece of shit i bought was that sand blaster
[21:08:31] <zeeshan> :/
[21:10:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: dont you work on cars?
[21:10:45] <zeeshan> thats a great way to make extra money in the afternoons/weekends
[21:10:45] <furrywolf> sometimes
[21:11:43] <zeeshan> i dont really do a lot of car stuff anymore in terms of service
[21:11:46] <furrywolf> just because I can do something doesn't mean I ever want to. I hate fixing things. heh.
[21:11:56] <zeeshan> but i remember a few years back i was making like 160$ to install springs
[21:12:00] <furrywolf> I like interesting things, not turning wrenches.
[21:12:24] <zeeshan> turning wrenches is bread and butter for side income
[21:12:40] <furrywolf> it also doesn't pay well. I have a relative who's tried to make money doing that...
[21:12:48] <zeeshan> as a living -- hell no
[21:12:55] <zeeshan> as a supplemental income -- hell yes!
[21:13:14] <zeeshan> the other reason i like race car/street tuner cars is
[21:13:21] <zeeshan> most of the stuff you work on is not a rusty pos
[21:13:26] <zeeshan> new parts! :D
[21:13:33] <furrywolf> I hate your type of race cars. heh.
[21:14:20] <zeeshan> a fast heap of ____ is still a ____
[21:14:26] <zeeshan> :)
[21:14:52] <zeeshan> unless it's done in style
[21:14:53] <furrywolf> the whole making-things-shiny-just-to-make-them-shiny thing pisses me off.
[21:14:54] <zeeshan> like those rat rods
[21:15:11] <zeeshan> furrywolf: making things shiny has a purpose
[21:15:24] <zeeshan> ie aluminum anodized fittings stop corrsoion
[21:15:29] <zeeshan> a smooth paint job reduces drag
[21:15:37] <zeeshan> look at a f1 car
[21:15:50] <zeeshan> those guys are all about performance
[21:15:58] <zeeshan> yet they still wax the shit out of their car
[21:16:28] <zeeshan> so i'm not sure what shiny stuff you're talking about :P
[21:16:48] <furrywolf> isn't f1 one of the races where you're not allowed to do anything innovative and technology is stuck in the '60s?
[21:16:55] <zeeshan> LOL
[21:16:56] <zeeshan> ok
[21:17:10] <bobo_> zeeshan did you note the discussion about the guy " Rüdiger "rebuilding Leinen and Schaublin Lathes
[21:17:11] <zeeshan> without f1 there would be no EFI
[21:17:18] <zeeshan> without f1 there would be no direct injection
[21:17:29] <zeeshan> there would be no such thing as camless engines
[21:17:56] <furrywolf> or maybe that's a difference race I'm thinking of. I know a lot of them specify every tiny detail so you end up with identical cars...
[21:18:00] <malcom2073> furrywolf: You're thinking of nascar
[21:18:45] <furrywolf> that could well be. :)
[21:18:50] * furrywolf doesn't pay much attention to races
[21:18:57] <zeeshan> http://www.quora.com/Which-innovations-from-from-Formula-1-have-found-their-way-to-road-cars
[21:20:07] <zeeshan> basically whatever f1 is doing
[21:20:15] <zeeshan> comes into road cars after 5-10 year lag
[21:20:48] <furrywolf> "However, in the recent past, the FIA has been quite strict with regards to the allowing of developments. This has been a major factor for the exit of such teams as Toyota, Honda, BMW etc from the sport."
[21:21:56] <zeeshan> i think traction control
[21:21:58] <zeeshan> came from it
[21:21:59] <furrywolf> grrrrr, and another web page you can't fucking scroll properly! bars across both the top and bottom, so you miss a fucking inch of text every time you scroll.
[21:23:02] <furrywolf> I thought traction control was banned? or maybe that's nascar again.
[21:23:21] <bobo_> zeeshan on the F1 stuff ,don't forget good employment for vertically challenged people who react fast enought to snap a fly out of the air and continue the conversation
[21:23:35] <zeeshan> lol
[21:23:45] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i think it is banned now
[21:23:49] <zeeshan> cars gettin too fast
[21:28:10] <bobo_> so when are computers going to be too fast ?
[21:29:13] <zeeshan> hey furry
[21:29:26] <zeeshan> have you ever see the vacuum system of a 13b-rew rotary?
[21:29:41] <furrywolf> bobo_: never, if modern web design keeps going like it is.
[21:29:59] <furrywolf> the 13 is the 3-rotor one, right? no. only the 12whatever.
[21:30:05] <zeeshan> 2 rotor
[21:30:22] <zeeshan> goin through some old pics
[21:30:24] <zeeshan> and found one lol
[21:30:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/m0l4V5U.jpg?1
[21:30:55] <zeeshan> look at that nightmare
[21:31:06] <furrywolf> most of the rotaries I've seen haven't been in running condition, and it's never been due to anything external to the engine.
[21:31:07] <zeeshan> thats not with all the hoses connected either
[21:31:10] <zeeshan> there are like 8 solenoids
[21:31:25] <furrywolf> yay '80s smog.
[21:31:31] <zeeshan> no!
[21:31:35] <zeeshan> this is just for the sequential turbo system
[21:31:36] <zeeshan> ahha
[21:31:48] <zeeshan> only one of them is fuel evap
[21:32:07] <furrywolf> my favorite is a relative's rx7 he got as a project, that as soon as you started it, promptly shot the dipstick ten feet in the air.
[21:32:14] <zeeshan> haha
[21:32:58] <furrywolf> it ran, it just sent more exhaust into the block than out the tailpipe.
[21:33:10] <furrywolf> he sold it as a project. decided it was too much work.
[21:33:46] <zeeshan> f the rotary
[21:34:54] <zeeshan> ever wonder why a rotary car smells like coolant?
[21:35:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T6ShXli.jpg
[21:35:29] <zeeshan> look at the inner viton ring
[21:35:35] <zeeshan> thats right next to the combustion process
[21:35:49] <zeeshan> it's invevitable that it'll harden and crack and fail
[21:35:57] <zeeshan> from the thermal rape it sees
[21:37:34] <furrywolf> my favorite is "why did my ford truck decide to pump the entire contents of the oil pan into the radiator?".
[21:37:44] <zeeshan> :D
[21:37:47] <zeeshan> through hg?
[21:38:04] <furrywolf> no, injector cups.
[21:38:34] <furrywolf> there's a little copper cup that is simultaneously exposed to combustion, high pressure oil, coolant, and fuel.
[21:38:59] <furrywolf> since the oil is at a higher pressure than the coolant...
[21:39:30] <furrywolf> then when you turn it off, the coolant is at a higher pressure than the fuel, so it proceeds to fill the fuel filter with your remaining antifreeze, to make room for more oil.
[21:39:30] <zeeshan> nice
[21:39:51] <bobo_> i thought that when viton decomposed there was a very nasty acid released
[21:40:17] <zeeshan> bobo_: prolly
[21:40:22] <zeeshan> rotary is a great design in concept
[21:40:32] <zeeshan> in practice, its not good at all.
[21:40:40] <furrywolf> radiator full of oil, fuel full of antifreeze = time to do the injector cups
[21:40:41] <zeeshan> because of its sealing issues
[21:41:04] <zeeshan> furrywolf: oil in radiator would be terrible to clean out
[21:41:05] <zeeshan> lol
[21:41:15] <zeeshan> thats like the worst thing for a cooling system!
[21:42:01] <furrywolf> did I mention they hold about two gallons of oil? :P
[21:42:10] <zeeshan> sweet
[21:42:18] <zeeshan> is this the v8?
[21:43:16] <furrywolf> powerstroke v8, yes
[21:44:40] <furrywolf> it's one of the more "wtf?!" failures when you first see it.
[21:45:08] <furrywolf> you look in the radiator tank (it's clear plastic) and it's full of pitch black oil, you look in the fuel filter and it's full of clear green antifreeze...
[21:46:46] <bobo_> furrywolf : arn't you talking about diesel engine ?
[21:47:51] <furrywolf> yes
[21:50:29] <Tecan> great googley moogley
[21:50:37] <bobo_> Ah yes the New Detroit auto makers concept of a diesel engine
[22:00:25] <bobo_> PCW : with the Asrock H97M Pro4 board , what would you suggest for a CPU to use? Intended use is for servo driven CNC mill .
[22:13:37] <furrywolf> I usually figure cpu choice is relatively irrelevant.
[22:19:43] <cradek> move platform downward, may crash at bottom, prime to get pressure, generate blob on edge, shear off blob, jerk away from blob, slowly smear snot to clear nozzle
[22:20:06] <cradek> (comments from ed nisley's gcode running an extruder)
[22:22:17] <zeeshan> lol
[22:34:03] <pcw_home> bobo_: I'm using a G3258 but any of the G3XXX CPUs should be fine
[22:35:19] <pcw_home> Likely I3,I5, or I7 would work as well or better but those cost too much
[22:40:30] <pcw_home> I guess the lowest end current gen LGA1150 CPU is the G1820 (~$46)
[22:43:09] <bobo_> Thank You
[22:44:16] <pcw_home> bobo_: But I should make clear that thats probably way more horsepower than you need (a J1800 or J1900 $70 MB is fine for a normal servo system)
[22:44:48] <bobo_> Micro Center is having a sale . Bd about $48. if buying CPU also
[22:45:23] <pcw_home> They are quite fast and nice ( especially with a SSD )
[22:46:19] <bobo_> Thought's on type and amount of memory ?
[22:49:22] <pcw_home> for linuxcnc 2G is fine (I think I have 4 for no particular reason)
[22:51:11] <pcw_home> well lets see if my tupperware will boot Ubuntu since wheezy was a bust...
[22:51:30] <bobo_> Thank you again ----
[22:53:45] <pcw_home> Welcome, the h97 is a nice MB, PCI and PCIE, Intel 1G MAC even a LPT port
[22:59:36] <bobo_> pcw I saw your comment on the h97 , which seemed that it covered all the want's for now and near future . So will pick one up this week at micro-center.
[23:37:50] <georgenz> Hey guys... just wondering how to set different tool heights. Looking online, it says to click tool table in the coordinate system under the touchoff button. But there is no tool table under the menu
[23:38:15] <georgenz> Just g54 to g59.3