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[00:01:03] <furrywolf> bah, and after all that searching, it sucks horrible.
[00:01:03] <furrywolf> horribly
[00:01:35] <furrywolf> "13,700,469 30.6M/s in 0.4s" I sure wish my home connection downloaded like that.
[00:13:18] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:49:55] <zeeshan> morning
[00:49:59] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:52:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WNp11Hk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qXGDcmB.jpg
[00:52:19] <zeeshan> friends came over to help hold those pieces in place while i tacked
[00:52:25] <zeeshan> it seems to be coming together :)
[00:57:18] <toastydeath> hell yeah
[00:57:23] <toastydeath> baller work
[01:08:13] <tiwake> the old haas machine I have does not support the goto statement, or subprograms (m97)
[01:09:12] <tiwake> I havent tried conditional statements or while loops, but I suspect those won't work either
[01:24:50] <toastydeath> tiwake, if you can find the paramater manual for haas you can go into the parameter setup and see what options the control supports
[01:30:30] <tiwake> toastydeath: if such a thing exists, I would love to see it
[01:31:00] <toastydeath> you're gonna have to troll the internet or contact haas
[01:31:03] <tiwake> however, mechanical service manuals from haas do not go back far enough
[01:31:16] <toastydeath> this should not be with the service manual
[01:31:22] <toastydeath> this is usually in the operator's manual or similar
[01:31:25] <tiwake> right
[01:31:26] <toastydeath> sometimes the programmer's manual
[01:31:32] <tiwake> that is even worse
[01:31:35] <toastydeath> if haas doesn't have a copy you may be fucked
[01:31:43] <toastydeath> jump on practicalmachinist and ask in their cnc subforum
[01:31:55] <toastydeath> someone else may be able to look it up in their manual and tell you where the read the parameters from
[01:32:03] <tiwake> its a 1990 VF1, mechanical manuals go back to 1993, and operators manuals go back to 2000
[01:33:58] <tiwake> haas got in business in 1987 or 1988 (don't remember exactly)
[01:41:27] <toastydeath> trust me
[01:41:35] <toastydeath> practicalmachinist
[01:42:07] <toastydeath> i know a lot of people complain about getting shit on a lot in that forum (for what I think are mostly justified reasons), but that sort of question is right up their alleyt
[01:42:09] <toastydeath> *alley
[01:51:08] <Jymmm> cradek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvtfD_rJ2hE
[02:46:27] <Deejay> moin
[02:57:33] <MrSunshine> hmm some strong ... hard .. flexible material that is castable? that is not a metal ? =)
[02:57:38] <MrSunshine> anyone ?
[02:57:56] <MrSunshine> uniforce clamps out of wood works great ... except they like to split :P
[03:00:52] <Jymmm> MrSunshine fiberlgass coated wood
[03:01:07] <Jymmm> or carbon fiber
[03:01:11] <archivist> that continuous bending is going to break any clamps of that design
[03:01:43] <Jymmm> glass impregnant nylon is mold injectable
[03:01:45] <MrSunshine> archivist: yeah .. but clamps in wood .. while fast to make tend to split after the first clamping ... :P
[03:01:49] <archivist> must stay inside the elastic limit
[03:02:03] <MrSunshine> due to the fiber nature of the wood
[03:02:09] <zeeshan> continuous bending?
[03:02:13] <MrSunshine> it holds up all the way up the flex legs but splits in the midle =)
[03:02:14] <zeeshan> what clamp
[03:02:31] <MrSunshine> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ynobrrevL._SX342_.jpg
[03:02:33] <MrSunshine> homemeade =)
[03:03:00] <Jymmm> That's a design flaw, not the material
[03:03:28] <MrSunshine> hmm just got an idea .. but that removes the huge advantage of those clamps .. high density
[03:03:49] <Jymmm> HDPE will deform under that pressure.
[03:04:03] <zeeshan> what presuure
[03:04:07] <zeeshan> i saw no numbers
[03:04:11] <zeeshan> :-)
[03:04:22] <MrSunshine> zeeshan: M6 variant from mitee kicks out 1500lbs of force
[03:04:33] <Jymmm> zeeshan: That might as well be a bearing puller
[03:06:07] <archivist> that force is with very little bend up against hard material
[03:06:10] <MrSunshine> hmm might be doable in a moving jaw design ... as its the principle of parallel planes that makes the force =)
[03:06:51] <MrSunshine> its the flexback that will be gonski :/
[03:08:17] <MrSunshine> tried out the clamps in a jig yesterday ... and man they do realy clamp hard ... bent the jig ... and clamped the blocks rock solid in place =)
[03:11:01] <MrSunshine> but with the clamps keeping on splitting its a no go anyways ... moving jaw design of some kind would be the best way but density goes down fast
[03:13:40] <archivist> I would be making these items serially not in parallel
[03:15:19] <archivist> load next can be during drilling, withdraw, feed, drill, rinse repeat
[03:16:03] <archivist> a clever sprung clamping tunnel and a feed device
[03:17:26] <archivist> removes most of the move to next item time
[03:23:25] <zeeshan> la lala
[03:24:21] <zeeshan> im thinking what the easiest way to make the 16 gauge sheets a bit more rigid is
[03:24:30] <zeeshan> i shoulda passed them through my bead roller to start off with
[03:25:06] <archivist> hindsight is too late :)
[03:25:12] <zeeshan> yes
[03:25:12] <zeeshan> it sux
[03:25:17] <zeeshan> dsid you see the picture?
[03:25:40] <archivist> which pic of what
[03:25:44] <zeeshan> lathe enclosure
[03:26:27] <archivist> yes
[03:27:29] <archivist> you are going to be annoyed when you cant put large diameters on
[03:27:41] <zeeshan> ??
[03:28:06] <zeeshan> i made it so i have a 15" working diameter
[03:28:16] <zeeshan> considering this is a 12x36 lathe
[03:28:19] <zeeshan> :)
[03:28:24] <archivist> bent forward early to miss fuse box it looks like
http://i.imgur.com/WNp11Hk.jpg
[03:28:38] <zeeshan> yea :)
[03:28:45] <zeeshan> the picture might be a bit misleading
[03:29:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4rSsldQ.png
[03:29:09] <zeeshan> gives a better sense
[03:29:44] <zeeshan> help me come up with a way to make the bottom pan more rigid!
[03:30:05] <archivist> stops you craning a large lump on too
[03:30:14] <zeeshan> large lump?!
[03:30:57] <archivist> glue a strip of angle to one side to make more rigid
[03:31:16] <zeeshan> hmm
[03:31:29] <zeeshan> i was thinking flatbar in the vertical position
[03:31:34] <archivist> glue to stop rattle
[03:31:35] <zeeshan> for more moment of inertia
[03:31:40] <zeeshan> i can weld it
[03:31:56] <zeeshan> 1" flatbar
[03:31:58] <zeeshan> 1/8"
[03:32:09] <zeeshan> along the length direction
[03:32:10] <archivist> angle has both plains glue can dampen
[03:32:16] <archivist> planes
[03:32:19] <zeeshan> thats true
[03:32:23] <zeeshan> good point
[03:32:38] <zeeshan> i have dimple dies too
[03:32:43] <zeeshan> but the problem is they make holes :)
[03:32:49] <zeeshan> which isn't a good idea!
[03:33:01] <zeeshan> and if i passed the bottom pan through the bead roller
[03:33:05] <zeeshan> it'd just be a location for chips to collect
[03:33:17] <archivist> underneath
[03:33:27] <zeeshan> yes i understand angles underneath
[03:33:45] <zeeshan> i might do square tube
[03:33:47] <zeeshan> instead of angle
[03:33:54] <zeeshan> so i dont hurt myself with one angle sticking out
[03:33:55] <archivist> now get me some canada balsam
[03:34:10] <zeeshan> i refuse to kill trees!
[03:34:12] <zeeshan> im a tree hugger
[03:34:31] <zeeshan> oh wait its a resin
[03:34:45] <zeeshan> i was thinking of basalm wood
[03:35:11] <archivist> you read books!
[03:35:58] * zeeshan is reading about it
[03:36:04] <zeeshan> amorphous structure
[03:36:04] <archivist> heh only suppliers on fleabay are over there
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canada-Balsam-Fir-gum-4-oz-CAS-8007-47-4-EINECS-232-362-2-/261379426500
[03:36:06] <zeeshan> interesting
[03:36:25] <archivist> used to glue optics together
[03:36:35] <zeeshan> Due to its high optical quality and the similarity of its refractive index to that of crown glass (n = 1.55),
[03:36:37] <zeeshan> thats something
[03:37:16] <zeeshan> haha
[03:37:33] <zeeshan> its got a better refraction index compared to the expensive ass optical quartz glass i had to order for school
[03:37:37] <archivist> I have a dead microscope where the prisms have fallen apart
[03:38:05] <zeeshan> trying to repair?
[03:38:15] <archivist> not got it all apart yet, corroded solid
[03:38:25] <zeeshan> gotta love that
[03:38:31] <zeeshan> its like when people leave mic's closed
[03:38:36] <zeeshan> and theyre welded solid pretty much
[03:38:57] <archivist> yes, for a giggle, if I can take to bits without too many breakages
[03:38:58] <zeeshan> ive been trying to repair this one digital oldschool mitutoyo mic guy at school gave me
[03:39:03] <zeeshan> its seized so bad
[03:39:26] <archivist> one screw snapped so far
[03:39:27] <zeeshan> i think i will have to make a softjaw to grab on the thimble
[03:39:40] <zeeshan> which when turned will likely strip the fine thread
[03:39:46] <zeeshan> thats not bad
[03:39:50] <zeeshan> what size screw?
[03:40:18] <archivist> 3mm
[03:40:27] <zeeshan> okay thats bad :)
[03:42:11] <archivist> the mount was fun, rusted black steel in alloy
[03:42:24] <zeeshan> got a pic of the scope?
[03:42:33] <archivist> no
[03:42:44] <zeeshan> im suprised :)
[03:43:00] <zeeshan> i guess it needs to be restored to archivist standard to be archived
[03:43:36] <archivist> I was clearing out a shed, re found it, started attacking it
[03:44:14] <archivist> I got it with the Bausch and Lomb microscopes as an extra
[03:51:46] <archivist> wee, three more screws undone
[03:52:53] <zeeshan> :)
[03:53:00] <zeeshan> when will you send me a find?!
[03:53:07] <zeeshan> i dont own a single british tool
[03:53:10] <zeeshan> other than moore and wright
[03:53:19] <zeeshan> actually i will give you a task!
[03:53:52] <archivist> I dont rate moore and wright that much, tend to go rusty
[03:54:03] <zeeshan> i want a hilger and watts precision level
[03:54:09] <zeeshan> anything in the 8 to 12" range
[03:54:12] <zeeshan> could be a box level too
[03:54:21] <zeeshan> if you come across one for cheap! please let me know
[03:55:01] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HILGER-WATTS-8-Square-block-level-/221676045554?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339cec04f2
[03:55:04] <zeeshan> would love to own something like that
[03:55:07] <zeeshan> without the crazy price :)
[03:55:08] <archivist> I have them in my watch list and cooke troughton
[03:55:35] <zeeshan> you know frigging universities throw away a lot of old stuff.
[03:55:51] <zeeshan> for the last couple of months, ive always been on the look out for stuff thats being thrown away
[03:55:52] <archivist> hehe silly price, I will tell you when I next see a sensible price one
[03:57:31] <zeeshan> an example of something that was getting thrown away
[03:57:35] <zeeshan> was a bunch of type k thermocouples
[03:57:38] <zeeshan> omron
[03:57:42] * zeeshan cringed
[03:57:48] <archivist> grabem
[03:58:45] <zeeshan> when you compare the starrett's top end precision level
[03:58:48] <zeeshan> 199z or whatever it is
[03:59:01] <zeeshan> it looks like a toy compared to the higler and watts levels :)
[03:59:39] <zeeshan> in your opinion, whats a better quality level
[03:59:45] <zeeshan> cooke and simms
[03:59:49] <zeeshan> or higler and watts?
[04:00:41] <archivist> erm... I got both :)
[04:00:46] <zeeshan> hehe
[04:01:08] <archivist> depends on the job and the bubble fitted
[04:02:50] <zeeshan> ok sleep time :P
[04:52:56] <archivist> zeeshan, updated with resolution of the bubbles
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=machinists+levels+pd
[09:27:53] <MrSunshine> finaly a viable design ... not as compact as the originals but not to bad ... overall 50x40x36mm .. good enough for my current application atleast =)
[09:29:09] <MrSunshine> http://postimg.org/gallery/2bqozvlti/05d75a3c/ the wooden uniforce clamp =)
[09:34:42] <MrSunshine> now .. mass production ... and might widen them a bit to make more way for the screws that hold them together :P
[09:35:15] <SpeedEvil> What's it do?
[09:36:08] <SpeedEvil> A bar pokes out of the side when you screw it up?
[09:37:19] <SpeedEvil> Wedges not good enough?
[09:42:11] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: i want the speed and the holding force of them =) a powered screw machine and blam .. in out in seconds .. and they press flat on the side of the workpiece insted of just pressing in some odd angle somewhere =)
[09:42:42] <SpeedEvil> you use identical wedges, and they go flat
[09:42:50] <SpeedEvil> but glad it works
[09:42:55] <SpeedEvil> what force can you get?
[09:43:04] <SpeedEvil> I need to make up some stretchers
[09:43:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibreglass-heavy-plastering-rendering-reinforcing-mesh-roll-1M-x-50M-165gsm-/380994770209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58b50ed521
[09:43:54] <SpeedEvil> I want to take ~1.2m*1.2m squares of that, and put a couple of tons on each axis, and put it in the middle of some thin concrete
[09:46:43] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: dont know realy ... it doesnt stop until the wooden wedge colapses ... the pieces are in there rock solid atleast =)
[09:47:30] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: the original clamps from mitee clamps up to 1500lbs .. do nt have any good way to test the clamping force of these tho .. as long as they hold i find it all good =)
[09:47:48] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: problem with wedges is with vibrations they can come lose ... i dont think these will as they have a bolt holding it all down =)
[09:48:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:48:31] <SpeedEvil> The annoying part about the above is getting the stress nice and even without ripping
[09:50:08] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: humm ?
[09:50:43] <MrSunshine> want to put concrete under tionsion or waht ?
[09:50:44] <MrSunshine> what
[09:51:01] <SpeedEvil> Yes. I'm going to try to use the above to make prestressed concrete skins
[09:51:22] <SpeedEvil> It's specced for 3 tons/m
[09:51:52] <MrSunshine> hehe =)
[09:56:27] <MrSunshine> would be cool to have a loadcell to try this clamp out with =) just for the heck of it =)
[09:56:48] <SpeedEvil> bathroom scales are handy and cheap
[09:57:24] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: only goes to like 150kg
[09:57:34] <SpeedEvil> Sure - you need a lever
[09:57:48] <MrSunshine> and mine is made out of glass :P
[09:58:05] <MrSunshine> dont want to put some kind of mechanical stress on it .. nervous enough to stand ont he bloody thing
[09:58:10] <MrSunshine> blody ?
[09:58:16] <SpeedEvil> Bloody
[09:58:28] <SpeedEvil> glass is really surprisingly strong if you don't do shock loads
[09:59:35] <MrSunshine> yeap
[09:59:53] <MrSunshine> even with shock loads in some cases .. had a friend who worked construction .. worked with glass
[10:00:32] <MrSunshine> they threw away a sheet and it wouldnt go into the container .. so they told a worker to smash it, said and done he got a sledge hammer and went at hit ... hitting himself to freakin tears and the glass wouldnt break
[10:00:58] <MrSunshine> so they went down ... smacked the edge with a wrench and it broke into a billion pieces :P
[10:03:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - toughened glass is wierd.
[10:03:17] <SpeedEvil> Prince ruperts drops
[10:03:45] <MrSunshine> mm
[10:03:49] <MrSunshine> those are cool =)
[10:03:54] <MrSunshine> glass under tension =)
[10:08:00] <MrSunshine> problem with testing with lever is that i need something quite rigid and the movement will be like 0 ... as the clamp moves a maximum of like 3mm :P
[10:08:13] <MrSunshine> put that on a 1:10 ratio lever and well .. wont move much in the other end :P
[10:17:41] <JT-Shop> sharpening the 3/4-10 tap with the dremil did work a little but not enough
[10:18:27] <Tom_itx> heh
[10:30:13] <SpeedEvil> use more lube, and chuck it up in the impact driver
[10:37:10] <_methods> that's what she said
[11:35:25] <zeeshan> :)
[11:41:26] <archivist> zeeshan, did you see my link with added resolution?
[11:41:44] <zeeshan> now i am looking
[11:41:55] <zeeshan> wow you have a lot :)
[11:42:12] <archivist> one of the box level has the best bubble
[11:50:47] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-American-engineers-Level-made-by-The-L-S-Starrett-Co-Athol-Vass-USA-/151626082768
[11:51:06] <zeeshan> i have a similar one
[11:51:08] <zeeshan> f starrett!
[11:51:12] <zeeshan> need made in uk!!!
[11:51:14] <zeeshan> :)
[11:51:45] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engineers-level-/271819115340
[11:52:07] <archivist> Vickers bought cooke troughton
[11:53:05] <zeeshan> doesnt look like he/she ships outside of uk
[11:54:02] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/WE4AAOSw34FVFCVv/$_57.JPG
[11:54:05] <archivist> ship here then ship over
[11:54:14] <zeeshan> i wonder if it has been dropped
[11:54:26] <zeeshan> see the dent on the bottom left?
[11:54:42] <archivist> looks like it had had a knock
[11:55:14] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/kd4AAOSwpDdVFCVV/$_57.JPG
[11:55:22] <zeeshan> that bolted down cover
[11:55:27] <zeeshan> is that some sort of plexiglass?
[11:55:29] <zeeshan> non precise?
[11:55:36] <zeeshan> protecting the vial
[11:56:04] * zeeshan will try to bid on it
[11:56:14] <zeeshan> 8 days though!
[11:56:14] * Tom_itx will outbid
[11:58:12] <archivist> you see the same plastic cover on the older one of mine
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0586.JPG
[11:58:14] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/markham-york-region/lincoln-mig-weld-machine/1054099440
[11:58:19] <zeeshan> this guy will take $550
[11:58:23] <zeeshan> comes with bottle, cart
[11:58:33] <zeeshan> i really need a mig for some jobs
[11:58:43] <zeeshan> tig is really for sitting on the table :)
[11:59:20] <zeeshan> yours is in pristine condition :)
[11:59:52] <archivist> is it hell, it had rusty feet when I got it
[12:00:08] <zeeshan> rust is okay
[12:00:12] <zeeshan> massive dents not so good :P
[12:00:21] <archivist> that bent bubble cover, look at the bubble, seems to be dead
[12:00:46] <zeeshan> i see a bubble
[12:00:48] <zeeshan> its faint
[12:01:52] <archivist> mine is more distinct
[12:02:13] <zeeshan> might be lighting of pic?
[12:02:27] <archivist> could be
[12:02:51] <archivist> but main bubble is the only really important one
[12:02:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UI1Mrxf.png
[12:02:59] <zeeshan> i tried to highlight it
[12:03:06] <zeeshan> side one is nice to have
[12:03:21] <zeeshan> but then you can always have 2 levels :)
[12:04:02] <archivist> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/DkMAAOSw-7RVFCV8/$_57.JPG one might ask why you cannot see the bubble in this image
[12:04:13] <zeeshan> lol
[12:04:22] <zeeshan> i see it!
[12:04:25] <zeeshan> slightly
[12:04:36] <zeeshan> could just be my eyes too
[12:04:41] <archivist> mirage
[12:06:33] <archivist> on the left
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/kd4AAOSwpDdVFCVV/$_57.JPG
[12:07:07] <zeeshan> he's not on level ground.
[12:07:08] <zeeshan> :p
[12:07:18] <zeeshan> how dare he take a pic like that
[12:07:46] <archivist> I had to buy a new bubble for my clinometer, loads of money
[12:08:19] <zeeshan> isn't it the most expensive part of a level?
[12:09:25] <archivist> on a normal level yes, dunno about the clinometer though
[12:09:47] <archivist> that has a worm and wheel in it
[12:10:17] <SpeedEvil> You can get replacement worms from a bottle of tequila
[12:12:00] <archivist> not dared to plaster it in yet
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0589.JPG
[12:12:47] <zeeshan> fancy!
[12:14:02] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilger-Watts-Clinometer-TB9008-1-with-case-Free-UK-P-P-/191314342700
[12:17:11] <archivist> still have no clue what
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=clinometer+dual is designed for
[13:30:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/hYoVOk4.jpg
[13:30:34] <zeeshan> ever see this? :p
[13:35:38] <_abc_> Can one unsee it afterwards? /me is afraid to look
[13:35:54] <_abc_> Can you people id a parallel interface board if I post pics of it?
[13:36:05] <_abc_> I have trouble locating the docs for a board we use.
[13:36:33] <zeeshan> post
[13:36:42] <_abc_> It's just a connector jungle not even optocouplers on it. It connects to a high density parallel cable and to servo drives.
[13:36:49] <_abc_> I'll do it tomorrow.
[14:10:39] <JT-Shop> pcw_home, is there an I/O card for the 5i25?
[14:11:14] <pcw_home> what kind of I/O?
[14:11:28] <JT-Shop> just 24v inputs and outputs
[14:12:37] <JT-Shop> say you have a 7i77 on one port and you need more 24v I/O
[14:13:26] <pcw_home> in that case easiest thing is to add a 7I84
[14:13:56] <pcw_home> (adds 16 more 24V outputs and 32 more 24V inputs)
[14:14:25] <JT-Shop> thanks
[14:14:57] <pcw_home> 7I84 connects to 7I77 (or 76) expansion port
[14:15:28] <JT-Shop> cool
[14:32:28] <skunkworks> mesa hardware is awesome
[14:36:41] * pcw_home blushes
[14:38:29] <pcw_home> I wish our production was awesome, we are still behind
[14:40:10] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Maybe if you feed them more than just stale old bread and green meat?
[14:41:56] <pcw_home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc
[14:42:50] <Jymmm> exactly!
[14:44:43] <skunkworks> :)
[15:34:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/xm42-the-handheld-flamethrower
[16:27:06] <Deejay> gn8
[17:25:59] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i've got my limits and part of my pendant on the 7I84
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[19:21:43] <furrywolf> just sprayed the lemon, grape, and some of the peppers (mostly by overspray) with dr. bronner's peppermint soap in water...
[19:21:54] <furrywolf> will let it sit a bit then hose it all off
[19:30:43] * furrywolf is now peppermint-flavored
[20:09:25] <renesis> furrywolf: heh @ hippy soap on your plants
[20:09:30] <renesis> you have bugs?
[20:09:55] <renesis> i usually get the tea tree hippy soap
[20:18:05] <furrywolf> I have scale insects
[20:18:39] <furrywolf> the soap seems to have been quite effective, even after only two days of using it... given as the scale insects seem to wash off now, I figure it must have killed them.
[20:18:46] <furrywolf> and it got most of the sooty mold off
[20:20:10] <furrywolf> just rinsed everything... killed one of my tomato starts by accident. d'oh. accidentally clipped it with the hose nozzle set to "pepper" instead of "tomato". (i.e. hit it with a full-force stream, which peppers don't mind, but makes tomatos shred instantly)
[20:35:17] <Cromaglious> the soap clogs thier ass breathing holes so they suffecate
[20:45:40] <renesis> lemon oil supposedly dissolves their little breathing hole membranes
[20:46:14] <renesis> but it evaporates really quickly unless its in some sort of oil or wax base, makes it kind of nasty to spray on stuff
[20:58:06] <Cromaglious> ascorbic acid is great stuff
[21:05:19] <renesis> i guess its the limonene-d
[21:05:56] <renesis> shrug, it wont fuck you up at all but it dissolves bug lungs
[21:06:50] <renesis> but the stuff you can get at hardware stores is in some waxy base so it doesnt evaporate immediately, have to clean it up after or it turns yellow, sticky
[21:17:13] <furrywolf> just checked on the electrolysis rust removal experiment... chain binder is looking pretty good. the black powder is hard to get off. it re-rusts INSTANTLY. like, I tried wire brushing one part of it to get some residual paint off, and the other end got a light flashing of surface rust during the 2-ish minutes I spent.
[21:17:27] <furrywolf> I'll probably toss it back in the bucket, but I'm not in the mood to deal with it now.
[21:20:15] <Cromaglious> the flash rust comes off soon as you throw some oil on it
[21:20:29] <furrywolf> I'm planning on paint, so no oil.
[21:21:13] <furrywolf> got a c-clamp in the bucket now... found it under the stairs in the greenhouse. I was wondering where it went! was nice, all rusted to shit now.
[21:21:49] <Cromaglious> using oil based paint?
[21:21:57] <furrywolf> spray
[21:22:00] <furrywolf> rattle can
[21:22:14] <Cromaglious> rustoleum?
[21:22:15] <furrywolf> I'm not going to brush on paint on a rusty old chain binder. :)
[21:22:32] <furrywolf> the surface looks a bit sponge-like... it was pretty rusty.
[21:23:15] <Cromaglious> rustoleum has fish oil in it, so throw a bit of mineral spirits on it
[21:23:41] <Cromaglious> which is a really light oil
[21:24:55] <furrywolf> also, I've learned that anodes get eaten stupidly quickly, and that alligator clips connected to the anode need to be several inches above the water level, or they get eaten too.
[21:25:10] <furrywolf> I had one only about 3/4" over the waterline, and it's gone.
[21:26:25] <Cromaglious> yep... hehehe white vinegar also works, with power or by itself
[21:32:35] * furrywolf tries uploading a few pictures, so it'll be about ten minutes
[21:33:03] <Cromaglious> you ever get new pictures of your mill/lathe?
[21:33:27] <furrywolf> no
[21:33:41] <furrywolf> that project is on hold pending availability of money, so it's sitting in storage.
[21:34:19] <Cromaglious> what's the most important part you need for it to get going?
[21:34:30] <Cromaglious> besides money
[21:34:55] <furrywolf> time
[21:34:57] <furrywolf> lol
[21:35:09] <Cromaglious> or time or steam or electricity
[21:35:22] <furrywolf> a 7i76e
[21:35:50] <furrywolf> I think using a parallel breakout board is a dead-end, and I don't want to keep wiring more stuff that I'll end up redoing later.
[21:37:53] <furrywolf> I also need an enclosure. right now all the electronics are sitting next to it and piled on it.
[21:38:24] <Cromaglious> Find a 20mm ammo can
[21:38:37] <furrywolf> I got my chinese 4-pin plugs to connect the steppers with, so that's taken care of. they seem adequate.
[21:38:43] <furrywolf> I have a half dozen 20mm ammo cans. lol
[21:39:40] <Cromaglious> mount a piece of plywood to the lid and then cut cooling slits or holes on the sides.. pop the top, slide out the board
[21:39:44] <furrywolf> I'm thinking more of a nice aluminum box with the large, flat side hinged....
[21:39:50] <furrywolf> probably end up making one
[21:40:15] <furrywolf> I could make the lid out of plexi so I can see my shiny wiring.
[21:40:16] <Cromaglious> mount everything through the lid
[21:40:40] * furrywolf is still waiting for three images to upload
[21:41:42] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/rust%20removal%20surface%2001.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/rust%20removal%20pipe%20anode%2001.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/rust%20removal%20anode%20clip%2001.jpg
[21:42:35] <Cromaglious> I have a large NEMA 3R enclosure big enough to mount 19" rails in, plus I have 5 racks of various sizes.. from 28" tall to 7' tall
[21:43:14] <Cromaglious> 3 DEC alpha 6' racks are my nicest
[21:43:39] <furrywolf> yeah, my box is going to be about 18x18x8".
[21:43:47] <furrywolf> maybe smaller
[21:44:30] <Cromaglious> the 28" is a telco mount on the wall for PBX / MOH, etc... front opens, then the middle swings away from the wall to get access to the back
[21:45:22] <furrywolf> I want to mount my stepper drives on some beefy 45-degree aluminum extrusion, so I can get to all the terminal screws without having to remove every drive.
[21:45:35] * furrywolf has not yet located such extrusion
[21:46:19] <Cromaglious> I got a TB6600 driver that all the wiring is at one end. and the heat sink is the mounting flange
[21:46:57] <Cromaglious> and they're plugs to boot
[21:47:18] <furrywolf> each of my drives draws more power than all four axis on a tb6600 board. :P
[21:47:26] <Cromaglious> 6c,4c to stepper, and 2c for power
[21:49:17] <furrywolf> mine don't have plugs, so I need to either mount them flat (takes up lots of area), or mount them overlapping at an angle... if I put them on 90 degree brackets, there's no way to get to the screws on any but the end one.
[21:49:22] <Cromaglious> wah.... And you consider yourself the broke one..
[21:49:26] <furrywolf> probably what I'll end up with, however.
[21:49:43] <furrywolf> yes, I got used, outdated drives on ebay.
[21:49:44] <furrywolf> heh
[21:49:59] <furrywolf> old centent cn0165s
[21:50:21] <Cromaglious> I got the old steppers out a printer I tore apart
[21:50:45] <furrywolf> mine don't match, because I couldn't find three matching used, cheap steppers on ebay. heh.
[21:50:47] <Cromaglious> 1ea NEMA23, 2ea NEMA17
[21:51:00] <Cromaglious> and none of mine match either
[21:51:28] <furrywolf> x and y match, z is different. figured that made the most sense when I had one pair and one different.
[21:52:09] <Cromaglious> Biggest, Y, middle, X, smallest Z based on MASS
[21:52:40] <furrywolf> lol
[21:53:43] <furrywolf> while there is a correlation between mass and strength, it's not direct, nor one-way. :)
[21:53:53] <furrywolf> s/one-way/one-to-one
[22:01:52] <Cromaglious> well since I'm using tb6560 and tb6600 drivers, it's more so for me
[22:02:52] <Cromaglious> I'm also going to using 3/8"-16tpi all thread for driving my axises
[22:04:44] <furrywolf> heh, mine does have real leadscrews. just acme, nothing fancy. and one had a 10 degree bend in it...
[22:07:22] <furrywolf> I need a faster internet connection. being able to download things instantly to my linode then taking the next day to get them here is tiresome.
[22:07:54] <furrywolf> "13,700,469 30.6M/s in 0.4s" why can't I do that at home? heh
[22:07:55] <Cromaglious> I'm gonna leave room to upgrade to ball screws
[22:08:24] <Cromaglious> I sure can't with steppers
[22:09:57] * furrywolf is trying to download some Life of Agony, having decided they're a quite good band (and have a hot tranny frontwoman), but internet connection sucks.
[22:10:11] <Cromaglious> first thing I have to do is upgrade the 3040 at the space to a higher gantry so I can fit a 4x4 under it on a 45 degree angle so the A axis is absofreaking usuable
[22:11:14] <Cromaglious> I can then get Oak 2x4's off pallets to make my bearing carriers
[22:11:45] <furrywolf> ... wood?
[22:12:47] <Cromaglious> once I get mine up and running in oak and birch, I can then start making piece in Aluminum to replace the wood parts, then down the road I can upgrade the AL to stee;
[22:13:02] <Cromaglious> yes hardwood
[22:13:23] <Cromaglious> brazillian eppe is harder and stiffer than AL
[22:14:51] <Cromaglious> certain piece will be Aluminum from the get go
[22:14:53] <furrywolf> how about dimensionally stable with time?
[22:15:11] <Cromaglious> old pallet oak is very stable
[22:16:11] <Cromaglious> if I hit the lottery I'll get a Bridgeport
[22:16:42] <Cromaglious> and run it off a VFD
[22:17:45] <Cromaglious> anythreading I'll do probably be thread milling, not hard tapping unless done by hand
