#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-03-25

[00:32:43] <zeeshan> quiet in here tonight :P
[00:33:53] <CaptHindisght> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[00:34:04] <zeeshan> =]
[00:36:48] <CaptHindisght> zeeshan: if you have a second to peek at http://rusefi.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[00:37:59] <zeeshan> 16x16!
[00:37:59] <zeeshan> ;p
[00:38:02] <zeeshan> fuel
[00:39:13] <CaptHindisght> I'll build the ECU but I'm not sure if their software is worth building on or if starting from scratch makes more sense
[00:40:41] <zeeshan> what i see missing is linux :)
[00:41:05] <CaptHindisght> yeah they use Chibios
[00:41:34] <CaptHindisght> http://chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
[00:43:19] <CaptHindisght> http://chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:matrix
[00:44:02] <CaptHindisght> it's a much smaller kernel
[00:44:47] <zeeshan> id try their software out
[00:44:59] <zeeshan> and compare with more famous ones like the ones that come with aem ems and haltec e6x
[00:45:04] <CaptHindisght> i just got a board in
[00:45:11] <CaptHindisght> stm32F4
[00:46:01] <CaptHindisght> they might have chosen chibios because they were already familiar with it
[00:46:48] <CaptHindisght> http://www.freertos.org/portstm32iar.html is where I would initially lean
[00:48:54] <zeeshan> dont blow up your engine! :P
[00:52:16] <CaptHindisght> thats like building an uncrashable machine
[00:52:48] <CaptHindisght> with great power comes great responsibility
[01:16:57] <zeeshan> CaptHindisght: my advice is if it is a cheap engine to replace, then its okay to try this stuff
[01:17:10] <zeeshan> but you can buy an aem ems for like 400-500 on ebay
[01:17:18] <zeeshan> and its well supported :P
[01:17:26] <zeeshan> but if youre in experimental mode, then i can see why you wanna go with this ecu
[01:32:21] <LeelooMinai> Any ideas for something for spindle cooling (probably air) doable in a upstairs room?
[01:32:40] <LeelooMinai> That is compressor is out of the question:)
[01:33:08] <zeeshan> waterr cooler
[01:33:12] <zeeshan> w/ radiator
[01:33:48] <LeelooMinai> O, wait, I wrote it wrong - not spindle cooling (it's already air cooled), I mean something that would blow air at the cut point.
[01:36:08] <LeelooMinai> Or does blowing air always involve something big and noisy...
[01:36:38] <Jymmm> define noisy?
[01:36:55] <LeelooMinai> Lauder than the spindle I guess
[01:36:56] <Jymmm> vacuum cleaner?
[01:37:20] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, vacuum cleaners fall into the noisy category in my book:)
[01:37:21] <Jymmm> Use the exhaust from the spindle?
[01:38:06] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... Would that not restrict the spindle cooling though?
[01:38:41] <Jymmm> You just want cooling, not pressure, right?
[01:39:06] <Jymmm> basically flow
[01:39:09] <LeelooMinai> Well, I guess something that will cool the bit a bit:), and remove chips too, so they do not "weld"
[01:39:15] <LeelooMinai> For aluminum milling
[01:39:44] <Jymmm> liquid cooling
[01:40:19] <Jymmm> air pressure + chips = flying scrapnal
[01:40:53] <Jymmm> shrapnel*
[01:40:59] <LeelooMinai> Liquid cooling like pouring some liquid on the bit? That's not happening in my room...
[01:41:12] <zeeshan> welding happens as a result of incorrect cutting speed
[01:41:41] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but that's one aspect, removing chips is good in any case, no?
[01:41:48] <zeeshan> not coolant or lubricant can penetrate the sticking zone of chip formation
[01:41:53] <Jymmm> It doens't need to be gushing,
[01:41:54] <zeeshan> not = no
[01:42:16] <zeeshan> that is where coatings shine
[01:43:00] <Jymmm> Why does this sound so familiar? https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/
[01:43:26] <LeelooMinai> Well, ok, then lets backtrack a bit. For my rather small "room" cnc, what would be a good approach when cutting aluminum? Do I need air/cooling at the cutting point?
[01:44:04] <zeeshan> cut it dry
[01:44:24] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: You do realize that there WILL be aluminum swarf in your room
[01:44:26] <zeeshan> you prolly dont want coolant mist and lubricant
[01:44:40] <zeeshan> floating around the inside of your house
[01:44:41] <LeelooMinai> Jymmm: No, there won't, I am working on it:)
[01:45:11] <zeeshan> also i think you should watch some videos on youtube to get a sense of how loud aluminum cutting is
[01:45:15] <zeeshan> w/ a high speed spindle
[01:45:39] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: Well, good luck with that.
[01:45:46] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX02cO2547M
[01:45:54] <zeeshan> shit is loud
[01:45:54] <zeeshan> :)
[01:46:03] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu-pi-6lJU
[01:46:06] <LeelooMinai> Jymmm: I am anclosing the table
[01:46:08] <zeeshan> and you're worried about running an air compressor :-)
[01:46:09] <LeelooMinai> en*
[01:46:35] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: That's a bit bigger spindle than mine though:)
[01:46:53] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQzoGTbPrSM
[01:48:03] <zeeshan> you could use a shop vac
[01:48:09] <zeeshan> to blow air at the cutter
[01:48:14] <zeeshan> and at the same time use it to suck away the chips
[01:48:15] <zeeshan> :D
[01:48:50] <LeelooMinai> Or some kind of "silent compressor", if there are such things
[01:48:57] <zeeshan> there are
[01:49:02] <Jymmm> $$$$$
[01:49:06] <zeeshan> people convert refigerator compressors
[01:49:07] <zeeshan> al lthe time
[01:49:12] <zeeshan> for low flow, low pressure air
[01:49:17] <zeeshan> which would be adequate
[01:50:08] <zeeshan> i think you'd be fine w/ running the cutter dry
[01:50:19] <zeeshan> just run it at the proper cutting speed
[01:50:22] <zeeshan> and feed
[01:50:36] <LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess I will not worry about it too much now
[01:51:10] <zeeshan> realize its a loud cutting process! :P
[01:51:12] <zeeshan> though
[01:51:27] <zeeshan> i'd say its a bit louder than running a vacuum
[01:51:32] <zeeshan> with a higher frequency noise
[01:51:44] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I did not expect it to be silent
[01:52:17] <LeelooMinai> That's a nice cnc there
[01:52:22] <LeelooMinai> That second small one
[01:56:26] <LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN-oXFDFSLA lol... chip massacre:/
[01:57:49] <LeelooMinai> I better think more about shielding everything
[01:58:00] <LeelooMinai> Like whole Y axis
[01:58:40] <LeelooMinai> X rather
[03:15:58] <Deejay> moin
[04:46:00] <XXCoder> boo
[05:19:25] <XXCoder> wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XITbj3NTLUQ
[05:19:38] <XXCoder> video is nearly 200 years old
[05:19:48] <XXCoder> one of earliest known ASL videos, my language
[05:20:02] <XXCoder> some signs is definitely antique and some is still same now
[05:20:49] <XXCoder> Some I'm sure because he is signing in very formal style
[05:21:08] <XXCoder> furtal speech after all someone died
[05:27:06] <XXCoder> oh yeah I misunderstood beginning, hes talking about saving asl and keeping it in school. well im using asl 198 years later so I guess it worked lol
[05:28:35] <XXCoder> glad it surivied. such a old video
[05:28:39] <XXCoder> and rare
[05:29:40] <archivist> note the date on the film, original 1913
[05:30:01] <XXCoder> oh yeah.
[05:30:11] <XXCoder> asl itself is 198 years though
[05:30:17] <XXCoder> approx anyway
[05:30:28] <archivist> movies did not exist 198 years ago :)
[05:30:50] <XXCoder> 102 years I could talk with them. I would have very heavy "accent" though lol
[05:35:03] <XXCoder> archivist: 3 am lol
[05:38:40] <XXCoder> archivist: curious about one thing though
[05:39:01] <XXCoder> can you watch a 100 year old video and understand people? im sure yes
[05:43:34] <Jymmm> http://maba.dk/index.php/demo/livecd/
[05:44:00] <Jymmm> based upon http://www.proview.se/doc/en_us/qguide_f.html
[10:28:02] <tjtr33> Jymmm, MaBa Proview is interesting for process control, Vimeo has 5 vids on usage. but from 2010!
[10:35:22] <ssi> ugh why do taxes have to be so stupid complicated
[10:39:55] <pcw_home> How else do we support tax attorneys?
[10:41:47] <JT-Shop> so they have a job
[10:41:53] <JT-Shop> because they can
[10:41:55] <JT-Shop> ...
[10:52:51] <tjtr33> Jymmm, avoid the goofy suggested download, just use sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/projects/proview/
[10:53:06] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Britain-Model-61-6-Spindle-Automatic-Screw-Machine-/111196732774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e3d77d66
[10:53:08] <ssi> too big?
[10:53:10] <ssi> probably too big
[10:55:05] <tjtr33> Jymmm, new 2015 version at http://www.proview.se/v3/index.php/download-mainmenu-17
[10:55:12] <archivist> that would be fun to put linuxcnc on
[10:55:40] <ssi> I wonder how many axes it actually has
[11:10:56] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprint.com/53286/gizmo-3d-printers-fastest/
[11:11:24] <SpeedEvil> Damn that would be awesome.
[11:11:39] <SpeedEvil> A 3d cutter using axes.
[11:11:44] <CaptHindsight> it's the top down projection version of last weeks $41M venture backed bottom up projection printer
[11:11:57] <CaptHindsight> those guys must feel dumb now
[11:13:02] <SpeedEvil> Naah.
[11:13:11] <SpeedEvil> they have $41M
[11:13:24] <CaptHindsight> heh, I meant their investors
[11:13:56] <CaptHindsight> that's why they operated in stealth mode until the check cleared
[11:14:13] * SpeedEvil fails finding the team of people cutting with axes, and ends up with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqG1l4lScsg
[11:14:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHUJgv2R3M single axe version
[11:16:12] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/czvrfR57eB8?t=19s 3 axes
[11:17:30] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if they're sharp?
[11:17:50] <CaptHindsight> start at 0:00
[11:18:01] <CaptHindsight> he cuts a log with them
[11:18:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:19:27] <CaptHindsight> on a unicycle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSXTkzlh_jg
[11:36:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224743317/stepcraft-2-universal-desktop-cnc-3d-printer-for-e
[11:36:51] <CaptHindsight> they should focus these on custom foods
[11:37:19] <CaptHindsight> sculpted cheese and chocolates
[11:37:42] <SpeedEvil> Or a half-pig half turkey
[11:37:52] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if Dremel has a NSF version
[11:39:22] <CaptHindsight> at least they didn't show examples of aluminum or steel parts being destroyed
[12:03:55] <ssi> SpeedEvil: five assed monkey?
[12:05:24] <zeeshan> anyone have a source for a made in usa/canada/europe deadblow hammer
[12:05:27] <zeeshan> 1 and 2lb
[12:07:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/3lLdqHE.jpg
[12:07:15] <zeeshan> :D
[12:07:19] <Rab> http://www.estwing.com/deadblow_hammers.php
[12:07:43] <archivist> wot no cat
[12:07:49] <zeeshan> haha
[12:07:53] <zeeshan> theres a car today
[12:11:38] <archivist> and big fault, no cables to the ground either side of a suspension bridge
[12:11:47] <archivist> it shall fall down
[12:14:03] <zeeshan|2> lol archivist
[12:14:07] <zeeshan|2> i ts a model! :P
[12:14:58] <archivist> hey I got some books on bridges, accuracy in models ftw :)
[12:21:50] <ssi> not sure those plywood "cables" are gonna hold up anyway
[12:21:57] <ssi> grain failure due to all the changes in direction :D
[12:21:59] <zeeshan|2> they hold up to 100lb
[12:22:02] <zeeshan|2> right in the middle
[12:22:06] <zeeshan|2> i consider that a success :)
[12:22:09] <ssi> hah nice
[12:22:19] <zeeshan|2> it creeks after that much weight
[12:22:25] <zeeshan|2> dont wanna break it :/
[12:22:48] <zeeshan|2> i think the glue joints will fail first
[12:22:59] <ssi> then you used the wrong glue :P
[12:23:00] <zeeshan|2> cause ive got the "cables"
[12:23:06] <zeeshan|2> glued right using their face
[12:23:11] <zeeshan|2> with no interlocking joint
[12:23:24] <zeeshan|2> so some parts of it will see direct shear
[12:23:33] <zeeshan|2> and glues suck in direct shear :p
[12:23:46] <ssi> just glue a sister member across the inner face
[12:23:54] <ssi> end grain glue joints suck anyway
[12:24:05] <ssi> if you can get a face grain glue joint it'll be stronger than the wood
[12:24:21] <ssi> even 1/32" plywood strip across the inner faces of the joint
[12:24:25] <zeeshan|2> what is end grain
[12:24:27] <zeeshan|2> and face grain
[12:24:30] <zeeshan|2> havent heard those terms before
[12:24:39] <ssi> it's a little weird with plywood
[12:24:42] <ssi> but consider a solid wood board
[12:24:46] <ssi> a 2x12"
[12:24:58] <ssi> the 12" wide by 8' long face, is face grain
[12:25:03] <zeeshan|2> ah
[12:25:06] <ssi> the 2" tall by 8' long face is edge grain
[12:25:12] <ssi> the 2"x12" dimension is end grain
[12:25:13] <zeeshan|2> so like in a tree if you chop, it
[12:25:17] <zeeshan|2> the circles that you see in the cross section
[12:25:18] <ssi> end grain you're seeing the end of the fibers
[12:25:21] <ssi> yes
[12:25:22] <zeeshan|2> are the end grain
[12:25:25] <ssi> exactly
[12:25:34] <ssi> and wood is like a million drinking straws bundled together
[12:25:45] <ssi> if you try to glue the ENDS of the straws together, it's much less strong
[12:25:50] <zeeshan|2> why is a face grain joint stronger
[12:25:52] <zeeshan|2> than end grain
[12:26:03] <zeeshan|2> just due to contact area?
[12:26:05] <ssi> imagine gluing two straws together side by side vs end to end
[12:26:06] <ssi> yes
[12:26:10] <ssi> and the way the fibers work
[12:26:40] <zeeshan|2> i havent worked with much woood :/
[12:26:53] <zeeshan|2> i just know that wood is like ceramic
[12:26:59] <zeeshan|2> its tensile strength is all over the damn place
[12:27:10] <archivist> zeeshan|2, we had a balsa crane competition at the UO, fun testing to failure
[12:27:28] <zeeshan|2> nice
[12:27:31] <ssi> wood is very important to pay attention to grain
[12:27:37] <zeeshan|2> wood is supposed to be stronger than steel
[12:27:40] <ssi> cause it has very different strengths in different directions
[12:27:41] <zeeshan|2> density to density.
[12:28:03] <ssi> metals have grain structures too
[12:28:05] <ssi> but not as critical
[12:28:05] <zeeshan|2> but making the comment is bold because theres 2139012309321932809 conditions with wood that can go wrong
[12:28:19] * roycroft lights a match
[12:28:23] <ssi> this is a useful document fwiw
[12:28:23] <ssi> http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC43.13-1b.pdf
[12:28:33] <ssi> chapter 1
[12:28:52] <zeeshan|2> wow
[12:28:53] <zeeshan|2> thats a good paper
[12:28:56] <zeeshan|2> start right from the beginning
[12:28:57] <ssi> yep
[12:29:04] <CaptHindsight> my search for "live blow" hammer has been unsuccessful
[12:29:08] <ssi> that's the governing document for working on airplanes fwiw
[12:29:49] <ssi> you'll see legal logbook entries along the line of "performed structural repair IAW AC 43.13 section xx.xx"
[12:31:05] <zeeshan|2> speaking of materials
[12:31:09] <zeeshan|2> have you guys seen luders bands?
[12:31:13] <zeeshan|2> theyre pretty COOL
[12:31:36] <ssi> no
[12:31:53] <zeeshan|2> when youre pulling on like a tensile test specimen
[12:32:06] <zeeshan|2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCders_band
[12:32:09] <zeeshan|2> you can see it here
[12:32:21] <zeeshan|2> they're like a wave
[12:32:32] <zeeshan|2> that seperates elastic and plastic region
[12:32:36] <zeeshan|2> its intersting to watch it
[12:32:42] <zeeshan|2> its like a wave propogating in the material
[12:32:53] <ssi> neat
[12:32:54] <zeeshan|2> materials are weird
[12:33:08] <zeeshan|2> the smp im working with is retarded
[12:33:19] <zeeshan|2> usually you'd think if you heat up something, itll become more ductile
[12:33:26] <zeeshan|2> this shit becomes exponentially less ductile
[12:33:29] <zeeshan|2> w/ temp
[12:33:35] <archivist> not hot short materials
[12:33:49] <archivist> brass is funny like that
[12:33:50] <zeeshan|2> what is hot short
[12:34:09] <archivist> becoming brittle when hot
[12:34:16] <archivist> less ductile
[12:36:31] <zeeshan|2> google fails at giving me data for brass
[12:36:36] <zeeshan|2> as a function of temp :/
[12:36:41] <zeeshan|2> stress strain data
[12:42:31] <archivist> I had a play under a steam hammer with some, it cracked
[12:43:26] <zeeshan|2> oh
[12:43:31] <zeeshan|2> the term for it is hot tearing
[12:44:12] <zeeshan|2> that ive heard
[12:48:45] <archivist> I suppose a country language error/difference :)
[12:57:29] <Jymmm> tjtr33: I was curious about it's livecd more than anything else.
[12:57:43] <Jymmm> s/ite;s/that/
[13:01:21] <tjtr33> dloaded it , aint dd'd it to thumb yet
[13:46:07] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: interesting on brass. isnt it most materials that get less brittle with heat? I bet could alloy that gives wider non-brittle temp range
[14:18:38] <tjtr33> Jymmm, made thumb w unetbootin. booted fine, demo ran.
[14:18:44] <tjtr33> nice guis monitoring faked sensors.
[14:18:52] <tjtr33> lotsa files named rt-blahblah but not sure its realtime.
[14:18:53] <tjtr33> ubu 10.10 with linux 2.6.25
[14:19:11] <Jymmm> tjtr33: of the livecd I linked to?
[14:19:17] <tjtr33> yep\
[14:19:31] <Jymmm> cool
[14:19:39] <tjtr33> lots to learn tho
[14:20:01] <tjtr33> thx for linking it
[14:20:03] <Jymmm> tjtr33: I was actually looking for an Ardunio LiveCD environment for a friend.
[14:20:29] <tjtr33> like arduino IDE?
[14:20:41] <tjtr33> didnt check that
[14:20:42] <Jymmm> tjtr33: something that canbe stateful so the usb to serial drivers can be installed as needed.
[14:21:21] <Jymmm> a two partition thumbdrive if you will.
[14:21:45] <Jymmm> one partition the live env, the other the saved data/config
[14:22:03] <Jymmm> I forget the name of that
[14:22:16] <tjtr33> oh persistant data for live usb stick. did not see/check that
[14:22:24] <Jymmm> yeah, persistant.
[14:23:08] <Jymmm> I ant to give someone a nano and thumbdrive so they can play around
[14:23:11] <Jymmm> want*
[14:34:05] <JT-Shop> I ant to take a nap
[14:58:19] <tjtr33> Jymmm, a 2nd partition is easy to make on thumb, works fine.
[14:58:26] <tjtr33> and live boot sees all my other HD partitions anyways.
[14:58:38] <tjtr33> but 'persistant' is spcl. it saves like browser bookmarks and program configs to the persistant media, not the ram based virtual drive.
[14:58:39] <tjtr33> so i didnt test that yet
[14:59:16] <tjtr33> best if you ask on their wiki
[14:59:28] <tjtr33> bbl
[15:22:24] <Jymmm> tjb1: Yeah, I'm aware of it's special status =)
[15:23:28] <tjb1> ahem
[15:52:11] <ssi> interesting
[15:52:22] <ssi> first time I ever heard "hot short" was when archivist said it earlier
[15:52:28] <ssi> and I just heard it again in a video about welding aluminum
[15:52:45] <ssi> talking about backing the puddle off at the end of a weld to avoid "hot short cracking problems"
[16:41:35] <Tecan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-wYitpBcek
[16:41:43] <Tecan> finally got around to uploading one
[17:01:19] <tjtr33> Tecan, nice, very fast. is that linuxcnc control? hardware or software stepgen?
[17:05:26] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf!
[17:05:49] <ssi> NO
[17:06:52] <_methods> lol
[17:09:45] <Simonious> well my pro trial of sketchup ran out today.. can't generate DXFs that way any more :/
[17:14:07] <unfy> hm, i see in later versions they removed dxf from free stuff. oh joy
[17:14:43] <Simonious> once Google sold it to Trimble things started to get suspcious - as in they want to monitize it as much as possible.
[17:14:53] <Simonious> Good for the, but not for anyone else.
[17:14:57] <Simonious> *them
[17:15:41] <unfy> looks like you can still find 'google sketchup 7' on the internet ... might support dxf stuffs
[17:16:47] <unfy> (a post by sketchup themselves claim that starting with ver 8 it became a pro only thing)
[17:18:19] <Deejay> gn8
[17:18:38] <unfy> deejay o/
[17:18:48] <unfy> simonious: freecad might work well for you, dunno
[17:18:53] <Deejay> o/
[17:19:53] <Simonious> unfy: I'm not strictly opposed to that, but if I'm going to learn a new tool I'm thinking I should invest in learning SolidWorks.. obviously that costs even more, but..
[17:21:37] <dirty_d> you could always "try it before you buy it"
[17:21:42] <_methods> you can get inventor for free for a year under the startup/educational deal
[17:21:53] <dirty_d> can any of you recomment an electrinic edge finder, preferably the ball end type
[17:22:26] <ssi> _methods: I can't find that option anymore
[17:22:36] <ssi> and it drove me sufficiently crazy that I just went back to solidworks :P
[17:22:47] <_methods> one sec
[17:23:08] <_methods> http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional
[17:23:20] <Simonious> dirty_d: I think I may have access to an old copy of solidworks
[17:23:22] <_methods> oh wow it'd 3 years
[17:23:31] <_methods> s/it'd/it's
[17:24:00] <dirty_d> most of the electronic edge finders im finding have a 20mm shaft
[17:24:13] <dirty_d> not imperial
[17:24:17] <ssi> _methods: that seems to be for educational, but not startup
[17:24:31] <_methods> yeah it has startup option in there when you start filling it out
[17:24:38] <_methods> i think startup is only a year though
[17:24:42] <Simonious> _methods: that looks interesting, is that what you use? again if I'm going to invest in learning a new tool I'd like for it to be SolidWorks, but.. *shrugs*
[17:25:06] <_methods> i use inventor, solidworks, catia, nx, whatever
[17:25:12] <_methods> whatever i have to
[17:25:43] <_methods> inventor and solidworks are sufficiently similar
[17:25:56] <_methods> you should be able to fairly easily transition between the 2
[17:26:00] <Simonious> _methods: why doesn't ONE of those handle your needs?
[17:26:13] <_methods> it depends on who i'm working for and the customre
[17:26:18] <ssi> I always wanted to try catia and nx
[17:26:18] <_methods> customer even
[17:26:21] <Simonious> _methods: for instance my buddy here uses only SolidWorks
[17:26:27] <Simonious> that seems to satisfy all of his needs
[17:26:40] <_methods> i've had customers that wanted me to use proe or catia
[17:26:47] <_methods> to work with them more seamlessly
[17:27:01] <Simonious> and document translation between softwares doesn't exist?
[17:27:13] <ssi> _methods: ah also I just signed up for Inventor Pro
[17:27:15] <_methods> you often lose feature trees during translation
[17:27:17] <ssi> which is NOT inventor fusion
[17:27:19] <ssi> and is windows only
[17:27:36] <_methods> or part history
[17:29:08] <_methods> and a lot of those packages have manufacturing/machining processes attached to them
[17:29:21] <_methods> bom stuff
[17:29:30] <ssi> bom bom BOMMMMM
[17:29:34] <_methods> custom properties
[17:29:38] <dirty_d> any of you use one of these?
[17:29:40] <dirty_d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRECISION-ELECTRONIC-DIGITAL-EDGE-FINDER-CNC-MILLING-/330518419131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46ed6bb
[17:29:54] <_methods> i only use electronic edge finder when i have to
[17:30:20] <_methods> like when i'm workin on the far side of tombstone or somewhere impossible to see
[17:30:34] <_methods> otherwise i prefer a regular edgefinder
[17:30:53] <dirty_d> isnt electronic more accurate?
[17:31:10] <dirty_d> mechnical needs a certain amount of friction to offset itself
[17:31:20] <dirty_d> electric is on the slightest contact
[17:31:27] <ssi> how accurate do you need
[17:31:55] <dirty_d> its less about that and more about ease of use
[17:32:10] <dirty_d> and that i can modify it and attach a wire to hook up to linuxcnc
[17:32:27] <dirty_d> the ball appears to be held magnetically
[17:32:40] <dirty_d> so it should work for automatec center finding and stuff
[17:32:42] <_methods> let me go see which one i have
[17:32:44] <dirty_d> automated
[17:32:48] <_methods> i just threw the box away i think
[17:34:42] <_methods> i have one of the ones that can hit in z
[17:34:46] <_methods> not the ball one
[17:35:35] <_methods> http://imgur.com/OFniAq9
[17:35:39] <_methods> that's mine
[17:35:56] <dirty_d> where and how much?
[17:36:01] <dirty_d> i havent seen one like that
[17:36:08] <_methods> i think i paid about $100
[17:36:15] <_methods> let me see if i canfind a link
[17:36:46] <_methods> http://www.kahntools.com/electronic-3-dimensional-finder.html?gclid=CL2Fk-nDxMQCFU8A7AodnWMAyA
[17:36:56] <_methods> guess it was like $200
[17:36:57] <_methods> lol
[17:37:08] <ssi> _methods: I need a tapping head
[17:37:31] <zeeshan|2> ill tap your head
[17:37:36] <ssi> hush you
[17:37:53] <zeeshan|2> for your drill press?
[17:37:58] <ssi> for the mill\
[17:38:00] <_methods> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/06499479
[17:38:03] <ssi> I want something like a tapmatic
[17:38:20] <zeeshan|2> u should finish your mill
[17:38:22] <zeeshan|2> so you can rigid tap!
[17:38:24] <_methods> tapping head for what?
[17:38:27] <ssi> that'd be nice
[17:38:36] <_methods> for a manual mill?
[17:38:39] <ssi> yeah
[17:38:39] <zeeshan|2> whats left on it man
[17:38:44] <ssi> zeeshan|2: everything
[17:38:58] <zeeshan|2> you figured out the servo shit
[17:39:03] <ssi> nah it's not done
[17:39:04] <zeeshan|2> you were working on the spindle encoder
[17:39:13] <ssi> I lost all my electronics equipment
[17:39:16] <zeeshan|2> :/
[17:39:17] <_methods> you try craigslist?
[17:39:24] <ssi> for a tapping head?
[17:39:26] <_methods> you might be able to go mooch one from a local machine shop
[17:39:32] <_methods> rent it lol
[17:39:35] <ssi> haha
[17:39:45] <ssi> I have one that's attached to a pneumatic motor
[17:39:46] <_methods> most shops usually have a few layin around
[17:39:49] <ssi> but I have no collets for it
[17:39:53] <ssi> and I'd have to find it
[17:40:20] <_methods> for all those 6-32 holes?
[17:40:28] <ssi> yeah
[17:41:25] <ssi> k dinner bai
[17:41:26] <ssi> :P
[17:45:49] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/city-of-toronto/tapping-head/1057067067?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[17:45:50] <zeeshan|2> =]
[18:16:29] <Simonious> well I found a 2004 version of solidworks.. the install seems to have worked, so I guess that's something
[18:38:14] <maZer`-> hi all
[19:19:31] <malcom2073> "found" eh? :P
[19:20:40] <jdh> I'm sure the extras the installer put in are harmless
[19:21:04] <malcom2073> "WindowsMalwareDefender.exe" seems legit enough
[22:50:20] <ffurrywol> yay, now rather than being broke, I'm substantially worse than broke. Just bought plane tickets to go help deal with my relative's estate.
[22:52:00] <ffurrywol> the plane tickets were $300 more than the credit limit on my amex, but it seems to have gone through anyway.
[22:54:32] <pcw_home> They love you to be in debt
[22:55:24] <ffurrywol> heh
[23:02:38] <zeeshan|2> im about to pop the cherry on the mill
[23:02:43] <zeeshan|2> its going to machine my first rx7 bracket!
[23:03:20] <ffurrywol> is there a pool for how long the z axis servo drive lasts?
[23:03:26] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:03:28] <zeeshan|2> its been lasting
[23:03:35] <zeeshan|2> ive been using the machine, just for random jobs, just not my own stuff
[23:07:03] <ffurrywol> PCW: zee needs a 7i76e for under $50
[23:08:56] <zeeshan|2> rofl