#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-03-18

[00:00:28] <Jymmm> heh, yeah, we want to keep me away from high heat torches, really.
[00:00:52] <Jymmm> propane is about as high as we go
[00:01:03] <furrywolf> lol
[00:02:52] <Jymmm> I did my pyro play for the year already =)
[00:03:32] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[00:03:41] <Jymmm> laters
[00:12:54] <Cromaglious> CNC 2.5D for sketchup has issues... trying to make a center finder
[00:35:37] <Cromaglious> it'll cut the top, it'll surface, it won't cut the lower profile http://itslinux.org/cnc/skp/ll
[00:35:45] <Cromaglious> it'll cut the top, it'll surface, it won't cut the lower profile http://itslinux.org/cnc/skp/
[00:36:03] <Cromaglious> oops gotta upload
[00:36:19] <Cromaglious> sucks when your used to having the web site hosted at home
[00:52:47] <Cromaglious> YEAH! ,htaccess works!
[00:53:14] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/skp/
[00:57:53] <Cromaglious> that saves a bunch of work
[02:57:49] <MacGalempsy> anyone having fun yet?
[03:09:26] <Deejay> moin
[03:16:54] <Cromaglious> mac! Deejay!
[03:17:04] <Deejay> hi there :)
[03:17:30] <Cromaglious> getting things working in Sketchup to generate G Code
[03:18:27] <Cromaglious> made some radiation Sign pendants, 4 1/2" gear, big 21" 7 tooth "gear" for a Wig/Hat stand for the booth
[03:19:09] <Cromaglious> Sketchup just crashed again
[03:20:38] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc and http://itslinux.org/cnc/skp both have .htaccess fancyindex working.. So I can just upload file and not update index.html
[03:22:56] <archivist> strange gear shapes http://itslinux.org/cnc/gear7.bmp
[03:26:44] <Cromaglious> The Bottom U is the gear between the teeth, the top straight lines was to get the machining line outside the circle
[03:27:25] <Cromaglious> I didn't tweak things to get it to do rapids over the top
[03:28:13] <Cromaglious> 21" diamter 7 tooth gear
[03:29:26] <Cromaglious> I barely had room on the 3040 to cut those... I had 3/8" between the gantry and the edge of the circle of plywood
[03:30:41] <archivist> the curves? arcs or involute
[03:31:58] <Cromaglious> what ever gear generator makes into the dxf and freedxf imports with into sketchup
[05:10:45] <XXCoder1> itslinux!
[05:11:01] <XXCoder1> Cromaglious: finally see gears
[06:39:10] <_methods> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-microsoft-china-idUSKBN0ME06A20150318
[07:07:26] <malcom2073> _methods: Nice, wonderif it'll be available outside of china too? couldn't tell from the article
[07:08:02] <malcom2073> I wonder how many people, who are using non-legit versions of Windows right now, will upgrade and actually pay for their office software? I'd assume people using non-legit versions of windows, also use non-legit verisons of their office
[07:10:40] <Tom_itx> if you have 7 or 8, 10 is a free upgrade also
[07:11:34] <malcom2073> Ok, didn't catch it was worldwide, nice
[07:11:41] <malcom2073> I got 8 for free for my tablet which as nice
[07:11:49] <Tom_itx> makes you wonder what they put in 10
[07:11:59] <malcom2073> Probably all sorts of links to their online pay services
[07:16:17] <Tom_itx> maybe they hired a rogue linux programmer and put him in marketing by accident
[07:18:08] <malcom2073> There's a futurama-fry meme here for this situation I beleive.
[07:19:37] <Tom_itx> local pc guy had a copy of 10
[07:19:49] <malcom2073> I've not tried it yet
[07:19:52] <malcom2073> is it any good?
[07:19:56] <malcom2073> Like, for desktops
[07:19:59] <Tom_itx> i didn't look at it
[07:20:04] <Tom_itx> it's like 8
[07:20:22] <Tom_itx> with a menu that pops up the apps like 8 does with small icons
[07:20:26] <malcom2073> I like 8 on my tablet, I find it unusable on my desktop
[07:20:33] <Tom_itx> no real side menu afik
[07:20:45] <malcom2073> Worth a shot at least
[07:20:48] <Tom_itx> that's why i got 7
[07:21:05] <malcom2073> Yeah I use 7 on my work pc
[07:21:46] <Tom_itx> i still use xp pro on most everything
[07:23:15] <malcom2073> I moved to 7 for the more widespread 64bit support, I still use XP on my kids PC since it's older
[07:26:08] <_methods> i'm trying to totally phase out windows and just run it in vm's when i need it
[07:26:24] <malcom2073> I'd love to do that, but I do windows development for work so.... meh heh
[07:26:39] <_methods> i still keep one computer with it on there for heavy modeling/gaming
[07:26:41] <_methods> hehe
[07:26:42] <malcom2073> I wound up using it at home more nowadays anyway, got tired of tinkering with linux
[07:44:34] <_methods> well free is an interesting step for them
[07:44:42] <_methods> it must suck even more than win8
[07:56:31] <archivist> 8 is not fit for purpose, 7 is as far as I shall go probably
[08:07:49] <skunkworks> installing classic shell on 8 makes it slightly usable
[08:12:34] <archivist> I think 8 was the classic going for the new "bling" completely forgetting a large section of the user base
[08:15:33] <archivist> reminds me of Apples crab apple of a laptop, where one of the standard programming keys is just not there
[08:31:56] * Loetmichel2 is just at the second try to mill an aluiminium enclosure fpr a KVM switch... first ry hat some holes too big, one side of the PCB mirrored in the enclosure, some measurements wrong... i am getting better, had times when i had to do 5 prototypes until one fits... not its down to two ;-)
[09:59:45] <furrywolf> so, half the internet says if I use stainless for my electrolysis bucket, I won't need to scrape and replace it constantly. the other half says this produces tons of chromium compounds and I'll die horribly.
[10:00:18] <archivist> scare mongering
[10:00:30] <SpeedEvil> They are not differing.
[10:00:38] <SpeedEvil> If you die horribly, you don't need to replace the bucket
[10:01:04] <malcom2073> Heh
[10:01:16] <furrywolf> lol
[10:01:20] <archivist> do you die horribly in public swimming baths
[10:01:28] <furrywolf> I meant as the anode, not the bucket... bucket is plastic. heh.
[10:02:59] <archivist> and all that chrome on your car bumper and in the kitchen sink, it will kill?
[10:04:34] <furrywolf> I generally avoid running large amounts of power through either my car bumper or my kitchen sink.
[10:04:51] <Jymmm> liar
[10:07:23] <furrywolf> I checked the chain binder last night, and it had made significant progress, but wasn't done yet. put it back in the bucket turned at a different angle. also having a hard time getting every part clean... I used a bunch of jumper wires to connect different parts, but two parts apparantly didn't have contact from the clip, and were only marginally cleaned.
[10:18:26] <SpeedEvil> this isn't on whole part?
[10:19:31] <furrywolf> the chain binder consists of several components, such as a handle, a couple chain rings, a swivel, hooks, etc. when covered in rust, they're not connected to each other. I used a bunch of jumpers to connect to each part.
[10:23:17] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:23:28] <SpeedEvil> hitting it with a hammer a lot first can be useful
[10:24:48] <furrywolf> grrr, the ebay seller who sent me the wrong bulb is now offering me a 50% refund instead of a replacement bulb.
[10:25:17] <SpeedEvil> sigh
[10:28:04] <furrywolf> hitting it with a hammer won't make rusty links of chain connect to each other well. :)
[10:29:04] <archivist> small sharp tap, not lump hammer
[10:29:50] <furrywolf> http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/143/143113_2000x2000.jpg similar to one of those. note how many separate parts it has.
[10:30:01] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You just need a bigger hammer http://www.pile.com/pdi/images/dropHammers/fullsize/40%20ton%20hammer.jpg
[10:30:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:31:25] <furrywolf> I got a couple buckets-o-chain at a yard sale, and one of them had a pair of nice us-made load binders, but one of the two was really rusty... decided it'd be a good test of electrolysis rust removal.
[10:31:42] <furrywolf> and it was saltwater rust too. thick and black.
[10:32:23] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Are you still talking about chain or dildos (again)?
[10:32:27] * SpeedEvil idly wonders about heating to ~140C and dipping rust in molten sodium
[10:32:41] <archivist> twisted knot wire brush on an angle grinder, get the bulk off
[10:32:54] <furrywolf> normally I'd have declared it not-worth-cleaning, both due to its still being functional and due to its low value, but I wanted to try electrolysis rust removal, and it seemed like an excellent test item.
[10:33:17] <furrywolf> no angle grinders! the whole point is minimal manual labor. heh.
[10:33:29] <archivist> rust is an insulator I think
[10:35:44] <furrywolf> it made good progress... had the electricity on for about 24 hours probably. another 24 hours and it might be ready for paint. or, since I'm lazy, a soaking in wd40 and calling it good.
[10:36:48] <SpeedEvil> If you bang it around a bit, it's likely that you'l get eventually bit-bit conduction without clips
[10:37:14] <furrywolf> the cleaned parts had a coating of black glop... most of it washed off with the garden hose, but it probably will need a scour pad or something to finish the job.
[10:37:46] <SpeedEvil> Sandblasters are magic. (tm)
[10:39:16] <furrywolf> and fucking horribly unpleasant. you ever used one? heh
[10:40:59] <SpeedEvil> Yeah - the key to a sandblaster is a good quality blasting cabinet, proper dustmask, gloves, ear-protection and someone else to do it.
[10:42:08] <furrywolf> especially the last part.
[10:42:23] <furrywolf> last thing I blasted was a pair of truck axles... they didn't fit in a cabinet.
[10:43:23] <archivist> I spent days with an angle grinder on a trailer chassis
[10:44:11] <furrywolf> I saw someone clean a trailer chasis with electrolysis once... an inflatable pool, a welder, and a big bucket of baking soda.
[10:44:12] <archivist> needle gun for the internal corners
[10:44:20] <furrywolf> or maybe it was a truck chasis. I think it was a truck.
[10:45:26] <furrywolf> I lent my needle gun to someone. I'll probably never see it again.
[10:49:02] <furrywolf> one of these days I might do a cab-off restoration on my jeep... I'll probably copy that idea. letting it soak for a week is a muuuuuch better plan than manually derusting. :)
[10:51:07] <_Sync_> have it CO2 blasted
[10:51:12] <archivist> somewhere I have a museum journal where the technique was first being tested on delicate/important stuff
[10:51:15] <furrywolf> that's expensive.
[10:51:18] <_Sync_> the expense is better than doing it yourself
[10:51:31] <_Sync_> I'd rather pay someone 2k than messing with it for weeks
[10:51:33] <furrywolf> also, it's a rust bucket, and I don't plan on fixing the body...
[10:52:26] <_Sync_> yeah we had a friends 6 series blasted.... the whole underpan came out
[10:52:44] <_Sync_> that was a fun fix
[10:52:51] <furrywolf> mine isn't that bad. and I hid a lot of it with the magic of foil tape and carpet. :P
[10:53:00] <_Sync_> well
[10:53:06] <_Sync_> it did not look that bad
[10:53:15] <_Sync_> but the seam welds are notorious
[10:53:22] <_Sync_> and then I started poking at it more
[10:53:26] <_Sync_> and *pop*
[10:53:34] <furrywolf> mine was fine except for the corners under the dash
[10:53:36] <_Sync_> the rear half basically fell out
[10:54:01] <furrywolf> the bed has some holes too, but they'll get a piece of steel tacked over them, not anything fancy.
[10:54:28] <SpeedEvil> Steel? Fancy
[10:54:52] <furrywolf> you try tacking anything else to steel. :P
[10:54:55] <furrywolf> bbl, time for work
[10:55:08] <SpeedEvil> bondo
[10:55:42] <_Sync_> and at the next bump it'll fall off
[10:55:46] <furrywolf> my bed doesn't have any hollow areas to hide bondo. it's just one layer of heavy-gauge steel.
[10:55:54] <_Sync_> like the tank on one of my motorcycles
[10:55:57] <_Sync_> somebody tanked it
[10:56:10] <_Sync_> and remodelled maybe 2 inches of tank with filler
[10:56:16] <_Sync_> fell off at some point
[10:56:21] <_Sync_> I was like ??????
[10:56:29] <furrywolf> my tank had a couple rust holes where the rust holes in the bed had let water drip onto it continually... I had a radiator shop solder copper sheet over them.
[10:56:30] <furrywolf> bbl
[10:56:44] <_Sync_> but fits the whole condition of the thing
[11:21:41] <dirty_d> anyone tried this? http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Refractories/
[11:22:03] <dirty_d> trying to think of the easiest adn cheapest way to be able to heat treat small things
[11:23:09] <Loetmichel2> *ha*, work of 2 days done... KVM switch in EMI safe enclosure... and only needed two prototypes to get it (nearly ) right ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15714 (click picture to see it fullsize)
[11:36:52] <dirty_d> hmm, what about an oven made with an old tall stainless steel pot inside a larger metal barrel or something, with pearlite between them for insulation?
[11:36:55] <unfy> dirty: there are folks here who have done things like this yes
[11:37:26] <dirty_d> weld some studs in the pot to mount heater coils on
[11:37:56] <dirty_d> then youd never have to worry about anything cracking, because the pearlite is just loose
[11:38:08] <unfy> if you're gonna look into an electric one - gingerly's lil bertha, or dan's workshop improved electric shop furnace
[11:38:16] <dirty_d> ill take a look
[11:38:20] <unfy> do note that electric will have much longer heat times and is a bit more fragile
[11:38:40] <dirty_d> how would you do temperature control with gas?
[11:38:41] <unfy> dan's workshop thing is like a $4 pdf - but well worth the cost if you're seriously thinking about building one
[11:38:55] <dirty_d> besides manually
[11:39:11] <unfy> more or less same way with a gas drill, assuming your burner isn't just 'full blast all the time anyway'
[11:39:23] <unfy> gas grill even
[11:39:48] <dirty_d> actually yea, you really only need to manually set it once to find the temp youre looking for, then like draw a marking for that temperature i guess
[11:39:52] <unfy> annnnndddd... without work, i don't think you'll hit steel melting temps very easily anyway
[11:40:01] <dirty_d> oh i dont wanna melt
[11:40:08] <dirty_d> just need like 1600F for heat treating
[11:40:39] <dirty_d> gas it is
[11:40:55] <unfy> then an electrical system might be appropriate. you'll have to use kanthal wire though. nicrome wont get hot enough
[11:41:19] <unfy> i dunno how how much temp control you get out of gas ... i'd ask around
[11:41:36] <archivist> getting a few sheets of the insulating material is not that expensive, on a par with making your own probably
[11:41:59] <unfy> perlite + high temp mortar runs around $75
[11:41:59] <dirty_d> archivist, what kind of material?
[11:42:14] <unfy> i forget how much rockwool can withstand
[11:42:26] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-x-Vermiculite-Villager-stove-fire-brick-4-5-x-9-/280835077430
[11:42:26] <dirty_d> and im assuming there is just some kind of propane burner i can find on ebay that will work
[11:42:50] <unfy> that price is a little high but not too bad, archivist
[11:42:59] <unfy> at least, compared to here in the states :D
[11:43:14] <archivist> first I found
[11:43:27] <unfy> dirty: building your own prolly wouldn't be a bad idea... or buying one from a place
[11:43:39] <dirty_d> burner?
[11:43:43] <archivist> I want to make a small furnace for bluing one day
[11:43:53] <unfy> indeed. your gas burner is easy to build.
[11:44:15] <unfy> it's just some metal & brass pipe from hardware store :)
[11:44:36] <archivist> for some work you dont want some types of gas
[11:44:48] <unfy> dirty: what size volume do you need to heat ?
[11:45:24] <unfy> because depending on temp and size, there are ALOT of plans for small electric kilns used for knife making etc
[11:45:29] <dirty_d> unfy, probably nothing taht would take more space than a beer bottle
[11:45:49] <unfy> knife kilns would be worth a look then
[11:46:20] <unfy> those can be built using a half dozen or dozen fire bricks, a bit of time, and some resistance wire, and stuff
[11:46:48] <dirty_d> im kinda leaning towards just using propane and a thermocouple and manually setting it
[11:47:00] <archivist> we used to stand over the item looking for the colour, then move it
[11:47:01] <dirty_d> seems like it would be less of a headache
[11:47:44] <unfy> just as a way of example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4yhzLuD9A
[11:48:22] <archivist> funky blue if you get it right http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=hands
[11:48:41] <unfy> dirty: going gas might possibly be faster. forming the refactory is fairly quick. building or buying a burner is quick. propane aint TOO expensive, etc.
[11:49:20] <dirty_d> tahts pretty neat
[11:49:21] <unfy> do expect to be $200 into it at the very least no matter what. mostly because you'll prolly make "learning mistakes" :)
[11:49:44] <archivist> we use an old domestic hotplate
[11:49:51] <archivist> used
[11:50:13] <unfy> yup, i got a hotplate i'll be using for mid sized powder coat oven :)
[11:51:06] <dirty_d> i think ill make one just like in that video
[11:51:10] <unfy> dirty: the key for refactory is to let it thoroughly dry. like, a week at least. and then VERY SLOWLY bring it up to temp the first time around. as in "over the course of a day"...
[11:51:23] <archivist> I use a gas torch for cherry red and hardening though
[11:51:33] <unfy> dirty: kanthal wire prolly required to hit 1600f, just a heads up.
[11:51:46] <unfy> kanthal a1 can be had on ebay. you'll get a headache :)
[11:52:36] <unfy> doing a lot of research and talking to other more knowledgeable folks than me, and maybe just buying a kit... would prolly go a long way
[11:53:09] <dirty_d> archivist, arent you supposed to hold it at temp for a while?
[11:53:22] <dirty_d> like an hour?
[11:53:24] <archivist> if annealing yes
[11:53:32] <dirty_d> i thought for hardening too
[11:54:23] <archivist> depends I would say, I am usually making small tooling
[11:55:08] <archivist> you would never see a blacksmith holding a part at cherry red for an hour
[11:55:30] <dirty_d> hmm
[11:55:42] <dirty_d> what is k23/k26
[11:55:48] <dirty_d> the temperature rating?
[12:00:17] <dirty_d> this is exactly what id need huh? http://www.ebay.com/itm/BNZ-23-HS-Insulating-Firebrick-9x4-5x-2-5-IFB-Fire-Brick-/251745254860?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9d2fbdcc
[12:00:23] <dirty_d> box of 12 for $40
[12:00:34] <dirty_d> and the soft insulating kind
[12:07:45] <dirty_d> i actually would like this to make knives and stuff
[12:07:53] <dirty_d> still stuck on workholding
[12:21:11] <CaptHindsight> K-23 Insulating Brick (2300°F)
[12:21:19] <CaptHindsight> K-26 Insulating Brick (2600°F)
[12:21:26] <archivist> dirty_d, work holding can be very hard for some types of work, often need to add some form of support
[12:23:35] <archivist> I used sacrificial support here (last image) http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=merlin+clock+worm
[12:25:32] <unfy> dirty: if you're in the states, go to some local hardware stores. they might have firebrick in the furnace sections etc. i've found firebrick at menards, tractor supply company, ace, and home depot before
[12:26:49] <CaptHindsight> http://midwestreprapfest.org/ "Caution: Avoid prolonged exposure"
[12:27:05] <archivist> in the UK domestic fireplaces have their own stores too where you can get spares, bricks and fire cement
[12:27:09] <dirty_d> unfy, they have the light soft kind?
[12:27:14] <malcom2073> Whups, I meant to go to MRRF
[12:27:18] <malcom2073> totally forgot about it haha
[12:28:33] <_methods> they had firebrick at northern tool
[12:28:38] <_methods> not sure what temp it's good to
[12:28:56] <unfy> dirty: won't know until you take a look
[12:29:29] <unfy> it's a very store / regional dependent thing no doubt
[12:31:12] <SolarNRG> quick question: I plugged my welder into an old 4 gang lead extension so I could weld outside today, had no problems for about 5 minutes then as I was generating a nice big puddle the welder died, tested everything it was the gangway extension lead, I was running at 115amps the welder lead isn't long enough to reach indoors by itself, any suggestions?
[12:31:24] <SolarNRG> oh and I can't weld inside I'll set my house alight for sure
[12:32:25] <Connor> Get a heavy duty extension cord ?
[12:32:34] <archivist> too simple
[12:32:36] <SolarNRG> I got a rediculous 50m one
[12:32:46] <Connor> 50m ?
[12:32:52] <SolarNRG> ive been warned about hi amps and leaving it coiled up
[12:32:59] <SolarNRG> it's like 3m from the socket onto my balcony
[12:33:15] <SolarNRG> maybe 4 once its gone round the corner of the door
[12:33:27] <Connor> Like I said. got buy a shorter, heavy duty rated one.
[12:33:30] <Connor> or make one.
[12:33:38] <SolarNRG> i got cooker wire, any use?
[12:33:42] <archivist> you really asking about an extension cable?
[12:34:06] <Connor> cooker wire? what's the gauge of the wire ?
[12:34:14] <SolarNRG> yeah but just a makeshift one I can make with stuff lying around as I'm broke and I'm welding a giant TV stand for someone to make 40 bucks
[12:34:19] <_methods> unicorn hair?
[12:34:21] <archivist> 6mm usually
[12:34:26] <SolarNRG> oh its big beaft single core stuff
[12:34:35] <_methods> legendary conductor
[12:36:53] <renesis> get two power strips
[12:37:18] <SolarNRG> so if I unscrew the dead ganglead, wire it up with the cooker wire to the plug and just one of the sockets, and I just bridge the fuse with some soldered single core wire would that work?
[12:37:29] <renesis> get two three foot extensions, very short, plug from power strip into two outlet wall plate
[12:37:45] <renesis> now, take four (!) extension cords and plug into one power strip
[12:37:53] <renesis> wait my plan is breaking down
[12:38:06] <SolarNRG> Oh so I draw current from multiple sockets to power one welder?
[12:38:11] <renesis> youre supposed to plug the other end of the four extension cords into the other power strip
[12:38:15] <renesis> but thats not gonna work
[12:38:31] <renesis> yeah i figure use the power strip as bus bars haha
[12:38:42] <SolarNRG> I think the welder although it has variable ampage when welding it'll draw from mains something like 16a
[12:38:49] <renesis> you just need a heavier gauge extension
[12:39:12] <renesis> yeah it converts to very low voltage high current
[12:39:30] <archivist> SolarNRG, you are too dangerous, get a professional
[12:39:30] <renesis> so wall draw isnt nearly as much put its prob close to max draw for standard outlets
[12:40:34] <SolarNRG> archivist, professionals cost money, money I haven't got, but I can get money just by welding this stupid stand, I've already drilled the holes perfect for the big TV but the welder's too short to reach outside and all ‎
[12:40:58] <renesis> i dont think you should weld inside
[12:41:01] <SolarNRG> I got are these sillly girly extensions designed for girls desklights and sewing machine thingies, not manly beefy industrial heavy duty extension leads
[12:41:19] <_methods> jumper cable
[12:41:23] <SolarNRG> I didn't I did it on the balcony where I have loads of concrete blocks supporting a giant plate of steel
[12:41:25] <_methods> or unicorn heair
[12:41:30] <renesis> you need a 15A earthed cable minimum
[12:41:35] <renesis> the 10A cables might melt
[12:41:46] <SolarNRG> you think that's what happened?
[12:41:49] <renesis> most likely the ends will catch fire
[12:42:02] <renesis> i thought you already diagnosed as the extension cable?
[12:42:11] <_methods> lol
[12:42:12] <SolarNRG> aye the extension cable is caput
[12:42:15] <renesis> _methods: unicorn hair jumper cable
[12:42:20] <SolarNRG> I'm guessing its the fuse
[12:42:20] <_methods> indeed
[12:42:36] <_methods> if you lube the unicorn hair jumper cable with leprechaun blood you can weld anything
[12:42:37] <SolarNRG> and that had a 13a fuse fyi
[12:42:55] <SolarNRG> _methods, it's not st patricks day no more!
[12:42:58] <renesis> why cant you just welt with the leprechaun blood directly?
[12:43:04] <renesis> youre making this too complicated
[12:43:04] <_methods> hehe
[12:43:34] <renesis> solarnrg: the fuse is what? your extension has a fuse?
[12:43:41] <SolarNRG> aye
[12:43:53] <renesis> wtf kind of extension is this =\
[12:44:05] <SolarNRG> The make is a TOP power
[12:44:08] <renesis> usually if anything they just put a stupid neon bulb
[12:44:19] <archivist> EU has fuses
[12:44:28] <renesis> weird
[12:44:32] <SolarNRG> maxload 13a 250v
[12:44:44] <renesis> okay well one of those wont work
[12:44:45] <archivist> we dont have too many house fires anymore
[12:44:47] <SolarNRG> I literally just need to make 4 fatty beats on this 8mm steel
[12:44:52] <renesis> do you have $15?
[12:45:00] <renesis> 15A extension cord is like $15
[12:45:16] <renesis> well maybe not in the EU
[12:45:20] <SolarNRG> shops are closed now, no I don't have 15 bucks but if I weld this thing now before the guy comes round I'll have 40 to spend on whatever you recommend
[12:45:37] <renesis> yes i understand your paradox
[12:45:58] <SolarNRG> chicken and egg
[12:45:58] <archivist> we cannot fix you cable over the internet
[12:45:59] <renesis> if i had $5k im pretty sure i could make $50k but thus life
[12:46:33] <SolarNRG> no but you might be able to guide me through making a temporary functional extension lead, warn me of safety concerns that can probably handly 16A for a short time without setting the place alight?
[12:46:54] <archivist> we have warned you, get proper wire
[12:47:09] <SolarNRG> Will cooker wire suffice?
[12:47:17] <_methods> http://www.unicorn-dream.co.uk/unicorn4.html
[12:47:19] <archivist> cooker is 30A ish
[12:47:28] <SolarNRG> aye easily handle the ampage
[12:47:50] <archivist> you plugs and sockets are not though
[12:48:01] <renesis> solarnrg: lots of us know a lot about electronics and wouldnt do what you are trying to do even tho we could probably make it work 95% of the time
[12:48:24] <renesis> buy an extension cable or wait until morning and borrow one
[12:48:44] <archivist> I use a proper 13A extension for the welder
[12:48:45] <SolarNRG> socket? as in the socket in my lab itself can only handle a certain amount of current?
[12:48:59] <renesis> archivist: right its not like theyre expensive
[12:49:01] <SolarNRG> The extension I was using WAS 13A and died
[12:49:09] <renesis> home depot has 20A ones for a few dollars more
[12:49:11] <archivist> it was a crap one then
[12:49:14] <renesis> man that was such a cool movie
[12:50:03] <renesis> archivist: what is standard socket current in europe at 240V?
[12:50:08] <renesis> like 10A?
[12:50:31] <archivist> 13A in the UK
[12:50:41] <renesis> damn thats a lot more power than here
[12:51:04] <SolarNRG> Do I need to wire up a special socket from the fusebox using a higher guage of wire than domestic wiring?
[12:51:22] <SolarNRG> If that's the case I doubt I have enough wire
[12:51:33] <archivist> SolarNRG, I do not trust your skills in wiring to advise
[12:51:42] <renesis> also i dont thi you would have time to get it inspected by tomorrow
[12:51:48] <SolarNRG> oh come on I wired up the PID oven ok
[12:51:57] <SolarNRG> I wired up the arduino just fine
[12:52:07] <renesis> arduino is 5V no amps
[12:52:22] <SolarNRG> ahem 0.05 amps
[12:52:26] <renesis> because you said arduino i dont think you should be doing anything electrical
[12:52:33] <_methods> hahahahhahahahahah
[12:52:35] <renesis> is that it?
[12:52:43] <renesis> that avr should be able to push more out its gpio
[12:52:48] <SolarNRG> aye you can lick the arduino and it tickles
[12:52:52] <_methods> i need to add that to my email sigs
[12:52:52] <renesis> plus theres a lot of peripheral circuits
[12:53:52] <renesis> anyway in a 10% world, arduino is relatively no amps, get an extension cable that doesnt suck in the morning
[12:54:21] <renesis> also what is wiring up an arduino dont you just plug that shit in and stomp shields onto it?
[12:54:59] <SolarNRG> I make my own devices using prototype board
[12:55:18] <renesis> nice, what proto boards you use?
[12:55:48] <SolarNRG> the copper strip board, 4 fets, 4 shotkeys, some wires a stepper driver dada
[12:56:00] <renesis> got all stupid expensive here so i just started buying the unclad punched G10 stuff
[12:56:08] <renesis> oh
[12:56:35] <SolarNRG> just look at the circuit diagrams, it's lego
[12:56:40] <SolarNRG> a bit of solder
[12:56:41] <renesis> you mean like wireless breadboard or the FR4/phenolic with strips of copper pads?
[12:56:42] <SolarNRG> easy
[12:57:11] <renesis> oh not wireless, neat
[12:57:21] <renesis> er, solderless
[12:57:32] <SolarNRG> it looks beige on one side the other side has these copper strips and for hi voltage shite I use the electrical connector and I epoxy it onto one side of the board and conductive paste and screw the FETs on
[12:57:51] <SolarNRG> no im old skool, solder, screw in wires, epoxy, pvc tape
[12:57:58] <renesis> yeah that stuff is good
[12:58:31] <renesis> the ones with little copper ring pads around each hole are annoying, they will usually start sliding, cheap shit
[12:58:43] <SolarNRG> and as soon as some nany state dude comes up with "oh you can;t do that, that's too many amps that;s not safe" I say, pss off I;m 30 i know the risks just tell me what i need so i can get on with it
[12:59:03] <SolarNRG> oh i bought a pic board that has that they are a pain
[12:59:04] <renesis> im pretty sure the solderless breadboards have been around since the 70s
[12:59:22] <SolarNRG> the arduino i got has holes that look like segments of a IDE interface
[12:59:33] <SolarNRG> u no like old skool hdds
[13:00:00] <renesis> right, dual row female pin header stuff
[13:00:08] <CaptHindsight> how much electrical power does it take to kill? (extrapolating from what doesn't kill you makes you stringer)
[13:00:10] <SolarNRG> made a little h-bridge, but when I changed direction I got back emf and killed the power supply, not the arduino
[13:00:33] <renesis> capthindsight: supposedly only 15mA if you get it just right
[13:00:34] <CaptHindsight> maybe start with 60VAC ( the UL limit for low voltage)
[13:00:47] <SolarNRG> IDK the ardunio's used to trigger fets, I should imagine if ur using the analog digital converter with too many amps it'll die, but i not had that problem so far
[13:00:55] <CaptHindsight> work your way up, getting stronger along the way
[13:01:06] <renesis> capthindsight: power is kind wrong unit, the voltage threashold of skin can be all over the place
[13:01:11] <SolarNRG> arduinos got enough juice from usb to power like puny motors and leds
[13:01:14] <renesis> depending where and how sweaty you are
[13:01:26] <SolarNRG> i use separate power supplies and fets to control stuff that draws tonnes of juice
[13:01:35] <CaptHindsight> thats part of the getting stronger
[13:01:35] <SolarNRG> heatsinked fets
[13:01:47] <CaptHindsight> you'll build up scar tissues from the burns
[13:02:21] <CaptHindsight> om sweaty days you'll burn at a lower voltage
[13:02:35] <renesis> ya basically
[13:02:42] <SolarNRG> actually never burned myself on a a welder, never cut myself with a grinder, but I have sliced my finger right open on a scrap pane of glass I was using to make a sandpaper glass metal flattening device for my CNC bearings
[13:02:56] <CaptHindsight> until the scar tissue replaces any sweat glands
[13:03:03] <SolarNRG> Oh btw, I made a flexible for my acme thread wanna c?
[13:06:04] <SolarNRG> http://i.imgur.com/0REnEM3.jpg
[13:06:09] <SolarNRG> what do u guys think?
[13:06:59] <archivist> does not look flexible at all
[13:07:22] <SolarNRG> it holds the stepper rotor and the acme isn't that all that matters?
[13:07:30] <XXCoder1> backlash
[13:07:50] <archivist> what part of flexible dont you understand
[13:08:07] <Cromaglious> Looks HUGE and rigid unless you filled it with one of Furrywolf rejected dildo's
[13:08:09] <_methods> holy coupler batman
[13:08:28] <SolarNRG> I made it out of some scrap steel I bought for 2 quid
[13:09:10] <SolarNRG> can I like use the angle grinder and make some spiral cuts along it to make it more "flexible" ?
[13:09:53] <_methods> definitely
[13:10:21] <SolarNRG> any tips to mark out a good spiral?
[13:10:43] <renesis> draw in something that does spirals native and print
[13:10:56] <archivist> you will not manage to make that flexible with an angle grinder
[13:11:10] <SolarNRG> u underestimate my precision skills with the grinder :D
[13:11:14] <_methods> wrap a string around it
[13:11:21] <SolarNRG> yeah that would work!
[13:11:21] <renesis> you dont think he can cross slice it just right!?
[13:11:21] <_methods> then trace it with a marker
[13:11:37] <_methods> or unwind a spring
[13:11:40] <_methods> wrap around
[13:11:46] <renesis> oh to slice the coupler i was not paying attention
[13:11:49] <SolarNRG> yeah sting and a marker, adjust the string until the gaps are jsut right
[13:11:52] <XXCoder1> spirl has to be cut all way though material right?
[13:12:04] <_methods> now your splitting hairs
[13:12:08] <SolarNRG> yeah it's like 50mm diam, easily within the reach of my disc
[13:13:23] <SolarNRG> i mean even at the acme end u still got a thickness of like 8mm all around and by the time u get to the rotor half its like 21mm thick!
[13:14:07] <SolarNRG> i mean the best precision I think I can do AT BEST with the grinder is a 3mm wide cut, so how far apart should each rotation of cut be?
[13:14:16] <SolarNRG> 10mm?
[13:14:20] <SolarNRG> 12mm?
[13:14:27] <SolarNRG> 8mm? cutting it a bit fine
[13:14:39] <SolarNRG> maybe 2mm cut if I'm like mega careful
[13:17:10] <archivist> SolarNRG, please stop dreaming
[13:17:34] <SolarNRG> so that hunk of metal I spent ages drilling into is useless aye?
[13:18:58] * JT-Shop tries to remember what cad program can do text
[13:19:20] <jdh> all of them?
[13:19:53] <archivist> even autocad 2 (badly)
[13:24:46] <JT-Shop> well OneCNC does it and vectorized it but the letters overlap when your done... maybe another font
[13:26:37] <JT-Shop> hmm there is something on the wiki I think
[13:30:40] <SolarNRG> right im off 2 bed nn
[13:30:42] <JT-Shop> crump you need cxf fonts for it
[13:31:58] <archivist> that solar character is just plain dangerous
[13:33:19] <Cromaglious> I hate G Code generators that use work bottom as 0, instead of work top
[13:35:13] <JT-Shop> lol
[13:36:01] <XXCoder1> curious why
[13:36:04] <XXCoder1> crom
[13:38:28] <Cromaglious> it's alot easier to set Z 0 at top of the work instead of finding a Z0 on the table. Most of my X0 Y0 Z0 is on the work material, takes a bunch of time ti move over to the table and find an uncut spot to touch off on
[13:39:39] <jdh> sometimes work bottom is bettet
[13:40:22] <Cromaglious> My table is aluminum, so I have a piece of 1x8 on top for a sacraficial piece, and what I'm cutting is usually over hanging that and if it's not clamped down it bows
[13:43:12] <Cromaglious> hmmm I know what I need for the spindle.. a voltage readout on the X carriage
[13:49:17] <XXCoder1> cool
[13:49:37] <XXCoder1> I also wonder if my board supports touch pad for z0
[13:50:04] <XXCoder1> TB6560
[13:51:03] <Cromaglious> touch pad? probe?
[13:51:45] <XXCoder1> not sure what its called but it uses electricity - wire bit and it goes down till it touches metal plate on top of something
[13:52:28] <miss0r|shop> HELP! :) it seems, that when I pause while milling with linuxcnc, it looses track of where it is. does it just discard the command it is doing and continue on to the next? is that what is happending? and can I do anything to stop it from messing up? (I need the pause function to remove acrylic residue from the endmill)
[13:52:29] <Cromaglious> probe or touch plate. tool setter
[13:52:58] <XXCoder1> thanks
[13:53:23] <renesis> miss0r|shop: thats weird i dont think mine does that
[13:53:32] <Cromaglious> mine either
[13:53:40] <renesis> how did you decide it loses its place?
[13:53:44] <XXCoder1> you sure you didnt miswire pause to e-stop
[13:54:21] <miss0r|shop> renesis: well, on the screen is is well within the letter it is milling, but in reality it has left the working area alltogether
[13:54:22] <renesis> even then unless you shut axis down and dont have it setup to save position, i wouldnt think it would just lose current position
[13:54:47] <renesis> thats weird
[13:54:55] <Cromaglious> using steppers or servos?
[13:55:05] <miss0r|shop> steppers
[13:55:06] <renesis> do you have it set to commanded position or current position?
[13:55:18] <renesis> im not sure how the display reflects that option i never use it
[13:55:49] <miss0r|shop> its set for actual position
[13:56:01] <renesis> if you have it set to commanded position and the display reflects the next coordinate instead of current position, maybe nothing is wrong
[13:56:07] <renesis> thats all i can think of
[13:56:12] <renesis> yeah weird
[13:56:18] <XXCoder1> yeah
[13:56:41] <XXCoder1> miss0r|shop: would recommand double check pause and e-stop, be sure those buttons do what its supposed to be for
[13:56:46] <XXCoder1> besides that no idea
[13:56:54] <renesis> have you unpaused before?
[13:56:58] <renesis> and had it complete a cycle?
[13:57:16] <renesis> also, are you cutting? has it held correct paths so far?
[13:57:20] <miss0r|shop> well, I can see that every time i've hit the pause to remove acrylic from the mill, it misses its position by a little bit. I saw that afterwards. but I only stopped the program after it did a catastrophic error that I noticed after last pause
[13:57:31] <renesis> if youre just testing in air it could be skipping
[13:57:36] <renesis> or an axis may have locked
[13:57:41] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylv1_FEXvLM
[13:57:49] <Cromaglious> I have another grandbaby! Athena Carina 3-15-15 7# 3.5oz
[13:58:01] <miss0r|shop> renesis: The two first letters are absolutly perfect, and I did not pause during those.
[13:58:02] <renesis> ew babies
[13:58:03] <XXCoder1> congats, grandfather
[13:58:18] <miss0r|shop> congrats
[13:58:19] <Cromaglious> that's #12
[13:58:29] <renesis> miss0r|shop: tried different display views?
[13:59:02] <renesis> it doesnt sound like your motors are skipping
[13:59:17] <miss0r|shop> renesis: all show the same position
[13:59:25] <XXCoder1> backlash when paused?
[13:59:26] <renesis> unless it locked up during a retract right before you paused
[13:59:29] <XXCoder1> is there such thing
[13:59:52] <miss0r|shop> XXCoder1: I have close to zero backlash. and it left the letter with 50mm+
[13:59:52] <renesis> not changing direction, so no i dont think so
[14:00:03] <renesis> unless your servos are oscillating or something weird like that
[14:00:17] <Cromaglious> using steppers
[14:00:18] <XXCoder1> yea over 50mm its something else
[14:00:24] <renesis> check code
[14:00:51] <miss0r|shop> I triplechecked the code. Theres nothing in those coordinates
[14:00:54] <renesis> that doesnt make sense either because the display would reflect that
[14:01:01] <renesis> yeah its prob not the code
[14:01:31] <renesis> miss0r|shop: is it only off on one axis?
[14:01:43] <renesis> or not sure because in between corrdinates
[14:01:43] <miss0r|shop> i'm thinking: is it possible that when I hit pause while it is in motion; that it just regards the current move command as complete and start off on the next line of gcode after the pause?
[14:02:03] <XXCoder1> easy enough to test that
[14:02:06] <renesis> yeah that doesnt seem right thats never happened to me
[14:02:12] <miss0r|shop> renesis: so far, yes. but when thinking about it, it makes sense that I stopped it moving that direction each time
[14:02:12] <XXCoder1> set program to do single but long move
[14:02:19] <XXCoder1> then pause right after movement
[14:02:25] <XXCoder1> it should be MUCH short of goal
[14:02:41] <miss0r|shop> indeed... hang on
[14:02:44] <renesis> miss0r|shop: is it too far or not far enough
[14:03:10] <renesis> if its further out than it should be thats just weird, extra steps coming from somewhere
[14:03:22] <renesis> maybe noise or a bad connection or something
[14:03:39] <renesis> if its short, could be that or skipped steps
[14:03:40] <XXCoder1> renesis: that would be inverse problem, it restarting entire move when paused
[14:03:47] <miss0r|shop> it seems that I can pause and unpause that movement, and it keeps on going
[14:03:49] <XXCoder1> also easy enough to test
[14:03:53] <miss0r|shop> so that is off the list... :-/
[14:04:16] <XXCoder1> try pausing few times see if you can make it go further
[14:04:16] <renesis> yeah thats always been my experience
[14:04:30] <XXCoder1> inverse test heh
[14:04:42] <renesis> xxcoder1: no im saying its just been going to far the whole time, before pausing
[14:04:50] <miss0r|shop> i'm having a hard time reprodusing the error
[14:04:56] <renesis> after the second letter
[14:05:19] <XXCoder1> renesis: I was talking to miss0r :) but ok
[14:05:22] <renesis> miss0r|shop: which is common for EM interference and connection issues
[14:05:34] <renesis> xxcoder1: you said renesis:
[14:05:48] <XXCoder1> oh earier. yeah
[14:06:10] <miss0r|shop> hmmm... All the connections are soldered. and the cables are sheilded and grounded
[14:06:27] <XXCoder1> maybe time to break out multimeter
[14:06:44] <XXCoder1> dunno what is used for em test
[14:06:47] <miss0r|shop> indeed. Thanks. I have to run before the wife kills me :)
[14:06:48] <renesis> miss0r|shop: shields connected on both sides?
[14:06:54] <miss0r|shop> renesis: yes
[14:07:07] <renesis> so you may have ground loops
[14:07:21] <XXCoder1> ground loops?
[14:07:26] <renesis> assuming the machine is common at all the motor connections
[14:07:38] <miss0r|shop> renesis: The steppers are electrically insulated from the machine, so no ground loops
[14:07:42] <renesis> and theyre all going to the same driver with same ground
[14:08:04] <renesis> yeah prob not then
[14:08:05] <miss0r|shop> sorry guys, thanks for the help. the misses will kill me if I don't run now
[14:08:10] <miss0r|shop> cya
[14:08:16] <renesis> k dont get divorced bye
[14:08:24] <XXCoder1> misses?
[14:08:27] <XXCoder1> more than one? lol
[14:08:31] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/PotHoleRepairHalt.jpg
[14:08:57] <renesis> thats not good
[14:09:01] <XXCoder1> in least that's not plot hole lol
[14:09:14] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a source for SO-DIMM ECC 32GB sticks? not desktop modules
[14:09:31] <renesis> ya wtf ecc
[14:09:35] <CaptHindsight> sorry 16GB not 32GB
[14:09:49] <CaptHindsight> mainly used in servers
[14:09:55] <Cromaglious> dunno's what funnier, the truck in the hole, or the 5 guys looking at it. Lets see Supervisor, HR, Safety, spotter, then the Driver
[14:10:21] <renesis> like HR ever leaves the office or knows what a truck is
[14:10:29] <XXCoder1> potholes had a nice victory when they stopped pothole repairers heh
[14:10:50] <Cromaglious> s/HR/apprentice
[14:11:02] <renesis> that works
[14:11:21] <renesis> kinda, i dont know if you have to be an pothole repair apprentice first
[14:11:22] <Cromaglious> s/apprentice/intern/
[14:11:38] <renesis> my guess is they just throw you into th3e shit the first day and if they tar fumes dont kill you, youre in
[14:11:40] <XXCoder1> cigar
[14:11:44] <renesis> intern works
[14:11:49] <renesis> everyone loves free workers
[14:11:52] <Cromaglious> it's a trade, so yes you have to be apprentice for a least a month
[14:12:10] <XXCoder1> intern dont always work for free
[14:12:13] <renesis> thats less than probation period at most jobs
[14:12:18] <renesis> xxcoder1: but they often do
[14:12:21] <XXCoder1> I interned as machinist, got paid minium wage
[14:12:23] <renesis> or for silly, silly stipends
[14:13:01] <archivist> the apprenticeship is the elf n safety course before they let you out
[14:13:21] <renesis> wtf is elf
[14:13:36] <renesis> probqably has nothing to do with linked binaries
[14:13:41] <XXCoder1> elves, tall point eared people, usually found at forest
[14:13:51] <renesis> naw we killed them
[14:14:01] <renesis> theyre gone, prob like 3 human civilizations ago
[14:14:05] <archivist> in the UK derogatory term for health and safety types
[14:14:32] <renesis> so elf is just health check? and then they do a safety class
[14:14:50] <renesis> that seems pretty reasonable
[14:17:03] <miss0r> I looked at it one last time after logging off. I found the problem:
[14:17:03] <XXCoder1> wb
[14:17:51] <miss0r> apparently the Y-axis belt drive had come loose.... *DOH* only allowing movement to one side, and slipping when going the other way.
[14:18:08] <XXCoder1> ahh nice
[14:18:28] <XXCoder1> woot found TB6560 manual
[14:19:22] <renesis> miss0r: yeah skipping was the only thing made sense
[14:19:34] <miss0r> indeed
[14:19:38] <miss0r> another kind of skipping
[14:19:39] <XXCoder1> I bet only one direction made it hard though
[14:19:45] <XXCoder1> *to find
[14:19:46] <renesis> you may want to check if the axis are binding anywhere
[14:20:27] <renesis> perhaps you can adjust a gib or bearing assembly, or just feed rates and depth of cut
[14:22:42] <Cromaglious> waaaaaaaaa Calypso sank?
[14:23:48] <Cromaglious> oh in '96
[14:23:48] <XXCoder1> in 1996
[14:30:22] <Cromaglious> I gotta watch 'The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou' again
[14:32:05] <XXCoder1> http://cockrum.net/cnc.html interesting
[14:32:11] <XXCoder1> gonna love domain name :P
[14:39:33] <XXCoder1> not bad, TB6560 has pin 15 open for use. evenually want to do it, don't wanna manually set z each time change tool lol
[14:47:12] <wholepair> I am trying to add core_xy_kins.c module to x86 linuxCNC
[14:47:52] <wholepair> I installed dev packages and tried "sudo comp --install --userspace core_xy_kins.c"
[14:48:04] <Cromaglious> XXCoder1, which tb6560 board you have?
[14:48:09] <XXCoder1> blue
[14:48:50] <Cromaglious> is it a BOB + driver board?
[14:48:52] <andypugh> wholepair: Which LinuxCNC version?
[14:49:00] <XXCoder1> so far from what I see, theres 2 variants, red and blue board lol so dunno
[14:49:14] <XXCoder1> hold on though
[14:49:30] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[14:51:03] <andypugh> You can’t compile .c files with —userspace. But that’s OK because kinematics files run in realtime.
[14:53:47] <Cromaglious> at least it's not the yoocnc tb6560 nt65-3x board
[14:54:14] <wholepair> I installed 2.6 from the image on the linuxCNC wite
[14:54:28] <XXCoder1> Cromaglious: is pendants sandardized?
[14:54:33] <XXCoder1> *standardized
[14:54:36] <andypugh> wholepair: So, what isn’t happening? There are two things. 1) Drop the —userspace and 2) it _might_ be called “halcompile” in your version.
[14:54:42] <wholepair> uname -a says: LinuxCNC 2.6.32-122-rtai #rtai SMP Tue Jul 27 12:44:07 CDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:56:31] <wholepair> andypugh: when I use sudo comp --install --userspace core_xy_kins.c I get errors -
[14:56:39] <XXCoder1> Cromaglious: for example http://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-CNC-Mach3-Hand-Wheel-CNC-USB-MPG-Pendant-For-Mach3-4-Axis-Engraving-Fittings-interface/32241933845.html
[14:56:56] <andypugh> wholepair: It would be helpful to know _which_ errors
[14:56:56] <wholepair> andypugh: first one is - /usr/include/linuxcnc/rtapi_app.h:30:26: error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory
[14:57:11] <XXCoder1> it says mach3 only but adoptable to use on linuxcnc>?
[14:57:23] <andypugh> OK, so “comp” is correct, but you need to drop the —userspace
[14:57:31] <Cromaglious> pendants are not standardized... you have to the the one for your board
[14:57:32] <wholepair> andypugh: and the rest are all warnings
[14:57:38] <XXCoder1> hmm ok
[14:58:04] <andypugh> It’s all just wires and software, anything can be made to work with anything
[14:58:06] <wholepair> andypugh: ok I will try without userspace - can I do this from any directory?
[14:58:27] <_methods> yeah i use a usb numpad for my mpg lol
[14:58:33] <cnc1> Swapper: hi
[14:58:43] <andypugh> I think so, but I normally do it from the directory where the source file is
[14:58:46] <Cromaglious> missed a get in there somewhere
[14:58:59] <skunkworks> XXCoder1, this style is supported... http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[14:59:08] <Cromaglious> hmm I see a pin 16 gnd gnd pin 17, that's for A axis
[14:59:27] <XXCoder1> skunkworks: thanks
[15:00:35] <wholepair> andypugh: it worked! thanks -
[15:00:43] <andypugh> Great
[15:00:47] <XXCoder1> skunkworks: would this work? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-ship-CNC-Mach3-USB-Handwheel-4-Axis-Pulse-50-PPR-Optical-Encoder-Generator-MPG-Pendant/32228419960.html
[15:00:52] <XXCoder1> looks same but not wireless
[15:02:11] <Cromaglious> looks like there is a bunch of mods for that board as well
[15:03:04] <skunkworks> it says hbo4....
[15:04:19] <XXCoder1> where?
[15:04:40] <skunkworks> on the photo.. :)
[15:04:51] <XXCoder1> oh so it does
[15:04:56] <XXCoder1> no wonder search failed
[15:05:46] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orz0jU8pcP0
[15:09:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Is that you leaning on the anvil?
[15:48:04] <JT-Shop> tjtr33, good one... but I have grown to hate youtube and how they start playing another without you telling it to
[15:48:30] <JT-Shop> anyone seen my tape measure?
[15:49:25] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Have you checked your pockets?
[15:49:32] <XXCoder1> JT-Shop: youtube center
[15:52:53] <JT-Shop> andypugh, it's too big to fit in my pockets
[15:53:01] <JT-Shop> youtube center?
[15:53:03] <XXCoder1> thats what she said too
[15:53:30] <XXCoder1> yeah its very nice addon to do stuff for youtube - like remove annoying stuff
[15:53:56] <XXCoder1> its also simple way to download videos if you want to have local copy
[15:58:53] <Cromaglious> Your tape measure is somewhere close to my .410 shotgun, which I haven't seen for 12 years
[16:02:25] <JT-Shop> now that's something I've never lost... but if I find your .410 can I keep it?
[16:02:48] <XXCoder1> I remember this tv show where people went to land of lost
[16:03:13] <XXCoder1> basically theres agentacy in usa, secret one, that steal stuff so people has to buy replacements
[16:03:54] <Cromaglious> I don;t think the punk that got my .410 worked for them
[16:04:30] <XXCoder1> probably not lol
[16:07:54] <XXCoder1> wow didnt know there was timecop 2
[16:17:34] <Cromaglious> bbl putting in another USB board into this machine
[16:21:13] <JT-Shop> found the tape measure in the last place I used it... no .410
[16:22:39] <ssi> :D
[16:23:29] <XXCoder1> JT-Shop: thats normal. scary is NOT at last place you used it ;)
[16:24:05] <SpeedEvil> I want stuff to be not where I last left it.
[16:24:20] <XXCoder1> hire someone to randomly shuffle stuff then
[16:24:21] <SpeedEvil> I want nice house-elfs that put shit away in their place.
[16:24:34] <XXCoder1> what if you properly put it away? lol
[16:26:12] <tjtr33> shopleavers. thats when people come into your store and leave new product ( euphemism for kickback from dealers )
[16:28:33] <furrywolf> we mostly have shoplifters around here instead. that's when people come into your store, grab something, run out, sell it, then buy methamphetamine.
[16:30:50] <SpeedEvil> I tried shoplifting once. I couldn't manage it.
[16:30:57] <SpeedEvil> I think I need to start with weights.
[16:31:19] <furrywolf> or try PCP.
[16:33:32] <furrywolf> GRRRRRRR. I was wondering why something I bought on ebay wasn't here yet. The fucking seller shipped it UPS even though the listing said USPS.
[16:34:02] <_methods> usps and ups are working together now
[16:34:19] <furrywolf> UPS Mail Innovations is not USPS.
[16:34:19] <_methods> they're doing some hybrid insanity
[16:34:44] <_methods> well apparently it is for you lol
[16:43:22] <the_wench> Cromaglious: tjtr33 said your 'touch gauge' looks like an LVDT . if so, its a better search term.
[16:44:37] <andypugh> I think you can drive an LVDT with Resolver stuff.
[16:44:43] <Cromaglious> LVDT ok searching
[16:46:00] <Cromaglious> Resolver like in almost straight printer port?
[16:47:35] <andypugh> No, absolutely almost entirely unlike a printer port
[16:48:03] <Cromaglious> so still back to arduino
[16:48:30] <furrywolf> lol
[16:48:33] <andypugh> Arduino might not help either
[16:48:50] <andypugh> Not directly anyway. You need hgh-frequency AC excitation
[16:49:24] <tjtr33> wow thats a bit old wench
[16:49:24] <Cromaglious> sounds like pwm to me
[16:49:27] <andypugh> This _might_ help http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ResolverToQuadratureConverter
[16:49:45] <tjtr33> ic-haus ?
[16:50:52] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/differential-amplifiers/6976953/
[16:50:54] <furrywolf> LVDTs are an old technology, yes.
[16:51:15] <Cromaglious> hmm 5khz at 3v current 1ma, sensitivity is around 33mV/V/mm
[16:52:14] <Cromaglious> http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=103679.0
[16:52:32] <tjtr33> lvdts can do sub micron resolution
[16:53:52] <andypugh> LVDTs are great, but you need to sample synchrnously with the excitation.
[16:54:06] <andypugh> (similarly to a Resolver)
[16:54:50] <andypugh> It is notable that the original poster on the Arduino forum didn’t report back success.
[16:55:07] <tjtr33> yeh i kept looking
[16:55:46] <tjtr33> but for 0.5mm rez, he could use simpler ( and probly did )
[16:55:47] <Cromaglious> I didn/'t get that far
[16:55:55] <tjtr33> 0.05
[16:56:12] <Cromaglious> I don't need res, I need movement at all
[16:56:22] <Cromaglious> at the same place
[16:56:26] <Cromaglious> go/no go
[16:56:39] <andypugh> The Arduino code I linked to via the LinuxCNC Wiki does at least generate a sine-wave excitation, sample synchronously, and compute an output.
[16:57:06] <andypugh> In that case you want a simple touch-probe.
[16:57:48] <andypugh> http://wildhorse-innovations.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=80
[16:57:58] <tjtr33> may be of use http://www.ichaus.de/keyword/Interpolators sine to ttl
[16:58:44] <tjtr33> nm
[16:59:27] <Cromaglious> yeah, not happening.. $120
[16:59:43] <andypugh> You can’t afford that but you think you can afford an LVDT?
[17:00:35] <tjtr33> andypugh, thx for that code, i have quite a few sin/cos heidenhain encoders & linear scales
[17:01:17] <Cromaglious> I have 2... arduino's are like $12
[17:01:23] <tjtr33> doesnt require excitation or sync, but very interestin
[17:03:58] <Cromaglious> I can always generator a signal externally and read it and the signal from the secondaryls
[17:06:29] <Cromaglious> I got the probes for $30
[17:15:01] <Deejay> gn8
[17:27:40] * zeeshan-laptop is laser cutting this
[17:27:41] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/L9em3Aq.png
[17:27:43] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[17:37:20] <ssi> lol
[17:38:49] <ssi> my wing model is coming along nicely
[17:38:56] <ssi> I refactored it several times to make it more manageable
[17:39:43] <zeeshan-laptop> nice
[17:39:46] <zeeshan-laptop> are you cutting it out of wood
[17:39:49] <ssi> I have a lot of hours in it at this point :P
[17:39:49] <ssi> yeah
[17:39:52] <zeeshan-laptop> nice
[17:39:54] <ssi> will be eventually
[17:40:00] <zeeshan-laptop> my bridge is going to be like 9 feet long
[17:40:04] <zeeshan-laptop> itll be BAD ASS!1
[17:40:23] <zeeshan-laptop> i should have all the laser stuff done in an hour or two
[17:40:24] <ssi> and I'm doing a full model so that I can be able to model things like where the drag wires intersect the ribs
[17:40:26] <zeeshan-laptop> and assemble tonigt
[17:40:32] <ssi> so the rib sheeting can have laser cut holes where everything just works out
[17:40:32] <zeeshan-laptop> ah
[17:41:50] <zeeshan-laptop> hey what do you think of my lathe enclosure
[17:41:56] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/4rSsldQ.png
[17:42:08] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/6VgYNn6.gifv
[17:42:10] <ssi> looks good
[17:42:12] <zeeshan-laptop> thats how the door moves
[17:42:14] <zeeshan-laptop> 2 u channels
[17:42:17] <zeeshan-laptop> with regular bearings
[17:42:26] <ssi> yea
[17:42:32] <zeeshan-laptop> its very basic, but i hope it gets the job done
[17:42:40] <zeeshan-laptop> sick of chips flying on my rx7
[17:42:41] <zeeshan-laptop> :/
[17:43:31] <zeeshan-laptop> i should automate the door
[17:43:31] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[17:43:39] <Cromaglious> That bridge is gonna be AWEFUL! the orinal sense of the word. Full of Awe
[17:43:46] <Cromaglious> original
[17:44:00] <zeeshan-laptop> i made it in like 2 hours
[17:44:08] <zeeshan-laptop> i hope it works out
[17:44:12] <zeeshan-laptop> i wasnt paying attention much through it
[17:44:16] <zeeshan-laptop> like i usually do
[17:44:24] <zeeshan-laptop> i tried my best to line up the joints correct
[17:44:56] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAaba-CUYAA3sEA.jpg:large
[17:46:05] <ssi> trying to upload a ridiculously high res version now :P
[17:46:12] <ssi> my internet sucks far too much for this
[17:47:12] <zeeshan-laptop> i love rendering in solidworks
[17:47:15] <zeeshan-laptop> that looks great dude!
[17:47:16] <ssi> http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/wing.png
[17:47:19] <ssi> thanks :)
[17:47:26] <zeeshan-laptop> scale size
[17:47:29] <zeeshan-laptop> how long is the span
[17:47:30] <zeeshan-laptop> and width
[17:47:38] <ssi> 36" chord, 16' span
[17:47:42] <ssi> that wing is 84.5"
[17:47:43] <zeeshan-laptop> haha!
[17:47:44] <zeeshan-laptop> nice!!
[17:47:57] <zeeshan-laptop> what kind of wood do you usually use
[17:47:58] <zeeshan-laptop> to make that?
[17:48:10] <ssi> solid spruce for the spars and truss members
[17:48:18] <ssi> mahogany plywood for gussets and sheets
[17:48:21] <zeeshan-laptop> wow
[17:48:25] <zeeshan-laptop> not just plywood :-)
[17:48:26] <Bushman> ave
[17:48:35] <zeeshan-laptop> its gotta be mohagany plywood!
[17:48:41] <zeeshan-laptop> regular plywood i mean
[17:48:44] <ssi> not just mahogany plywood
[17:48:49] <ssi> mil-spec mahogany plywood :P
[17:48:51] <zeeshan-laptop> seksi
[17:48:52] <ssi> mil-6070-p
[17:48:57] <zeeshan-laptop> that must be expensive
[17:49:20] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/domplywood.php
[17:49:22] <ssi> it's not cheap
[17:50:07] <Bushman> guys i need to figure out the easiest way to adapt a low RPM heavy duty rotor as my A axis for milling 2 sided/3D/turned stuff
[17:50:17] <zeeshan-laptop> hm
[17:50:27] <zeeshan-laptop> regular high end plywood at homedepot is like $120
[17:50:33] <zeeshan-laptop> for 1/2"
[17:50:33] <Bushman> the motor has a really high gear ratio and is 230V operated
[17:50:39] <zeeshan-laptop> 4'x8'
[17:50:48] <ssi> this is $310 for 1/2 4x8
[17:50:53] <ssi> but 1/2 doesn't get used that much
[17:50:59] <ssi> 1/4 and thinner generally
[17:51:05] <ssi> all those gussets and sheets on that model are 1/16"
[17:51:18] <ssi> there'll be some doublers around the I-strut area that are 1/4"
[17:52:41] <Cromaglious> Bushman, you have a picture of it?
[17:52:50] <zeeshan-laptop> ah
[17:53:07] <ssi> but the thinner stuff isn't all that much cheaper :P
[17:53:27] <SpeedEvil> GEt a thick sheet, and slice it up
[17:53:45] <ssi> not exactly how plywood works :P
[17:54:18] <Bushman> Cromaglious: better, i have video (i need to warn you, the thing is REALLY slow)
[17:54:19] <Bushman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulavQpihgD4
[17:54:44] <Bushman> i'm thinking about replacing the motor tho... tad to slow and hard to drive in a sensible way
[17:55:09] <ssi> k back to the hangar for a bit
[17:57:20] <Cromaglious> oh it's a servo
[17:57:38] <Bushman> Cromaglious: was a servo :P
[17:57:56] <Bushman> i'm planing to either replace the motor or...
[17:58:09] <Bushman> replacing the hi precision potentiometer with encoder
[17:58:09] <Cromaglious> yeah that motor with built in gearbox is a might slow
[17:58:36] <Bushman> to make it spin 360+
[17:58:45] <Cromaglious> bearing on the motor side is that in the gearbox ?
[17:58:57] <Bushman> i'm taking off the motor now
[17:59:02] <Bushman> will see in a minute
[18:00:20] <Cromaglious> you might be able to leave the gearbox casing and bearing, and add a coupler and then run a stepper to that shaft, muck up a stepper motor mount and who needs encoder? maybe a homed switch
[18:01:27] <Bushman> m'kay... problem number one: there is a peg through the gear box output shaft and the worm gear
[18:01:39] <Cromaglious> I'd prefer pics over video anyday.. 2000x1600 piccture, you can see more than a 1080x720 video
[18:01:47] <Bushman> not sure if i'll be able to remove this tonight without waking up my whole family lol
[18:02:27] <Cromaglious> is it a taper pin? one side bigger than the other or straight pin, or rolled pin
[18:03:03] <Bushman> rolled up sheet of springy steel type
[18:03:12] <Bushman> will try to remove it in a minute
[18:03:36] <Cromaglious> roll pin, those take a bit put pound out.. do it on the driveway :)
[18:03:49] <Cromaglious> s/put/to/
[18:05:01] <zeeshan-laptop> why dont you remove the gearing
[18:05:04] <zeeshan-laptop> to make it high speed
[18:05:25] <zeeshan-laptop> or replace the big gear
[18:06:13] <Cromaglious> leave the gear box casing and output shaft with bearing, rip the gears out and drive the shaft thru a coupler with a stepper
[18:07:55] <Bushman> Cromaglious: i've done these pins in the past. i'll handle it. bear with me. :P
[18:08:39] <Bushman> Cromaglious: http://i.imgur.com/c1RnNC6.jpg
[18:08:47] <Bushman> gonna try to remove it now
[18:12:22] <tjtr33> for roll pin, use cheap stepped drift, hand make it on pedestal grinder
[18:13:26] <zeeshan-laptop> drill bit works
[18:13:27] <zeeshan-laptop> to removet hose
[18:14:45] <tjtr33> eh i can never remenber which end of a drill to hammer on :)
[18:15:02] <zeeshan-laptop> =]
[18:15:33] <zeeshan-laptop> its the main reason i keep shitty drill bits
[18:15:39] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[18:17:41] <Bushman> it's cool, i've got it out already
[18:17:50] <Bushman> few light taps and it's out
[18:18:10] <Bushman> just hd to find something that would fit into the hole but not the tube
[18:18:34] <Cromaglious> hmm you might wanna lose the gear box
[18:18:43] <Bushman> Cromaglious: i might
[18:18:45] <Bushman> will see
[18:20:03] <Cromaglious> I see collar... thinking that might be on the wormgear side... so you mihgt be able to put stepper into that collar
[18:20:37] <Bushman> gimme 2 minutes, taking new pictures
[18:22:51] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/ntcJ27W.jpg
[18:23:04] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/OYJYKxA.jpg
[18:23:24] <Bushman> so yea, i can pretty much shove anything in there...
[18:23:28] <Bushman> lemme fins my calipers
[18:24:22] <Bushman> the shaft is 8mm
[18:25:53] <Cromaglious> woo and it has a home switch... looks like you cann lose the pot
[18:26:10] * furrywolf takes a break from cleaning up garbage
[18:26:35] <furrywolf> why are hippies incapable of taking their crap to the dump? trying to put some useful stuff under the house, have to get the garbage out first.
[18:27:53] <Bushman> Cromaglious: i was planning on loosing the pot AND the home switches
[18:28:02] <Bushman> end switches actually
[18:28:14] <Bushman> to make it spinn indefinitely
[18:28:36] <Bushman> unless i'm gonna have some sort of indexed chuck or something
[18:28:38] <Bushman> donno yet
[18:28:53] <Cromaglious> will it keep turning aft the switch is tripped or can it be modded to keep going after trip
[18:29:17] <Bushman> well, the switch is just cutting power to the motor
[18:29:22] <Bushman> but the gear is 360
[18:29:31] <Bushman> no mechanical limits
[18:29:40] <Bushman> the only limit is the pot
[18:30:03] <Bushman> but PANI Austria guys were smart and used one that can spin around lol
[18:30:16] <Bushman> so you can't crash the pot either
[18:30:18] <Bushman> :P
[18:30:54] <Cromaglious> you're gold... make a motor mounting plate, a 5mm or 1/4" to 8mm shaft adapter. Mount a stepp to the end and use the bearing in the stepper for the bearing of the gear at that end..
[18:31:36] <Bushman> yea, pretty much the plan...
[18:32:31] <Bushman> tho i might just have discovered something that, althou expected in the previous used of this thing, might screw everything up for this new purpose
[18:32:52] <Bushman> i think it has emergency friction clutch that gives up under to heavy load
[18:33:10] <Bushman> will have to dissassemble it and see if i can bypass that
[18:33:10] <Cromaglious> those can be pinned in place
[18:33:21] <Bushman> yea
[18:34:27] <furrywolf> generally that makes the most expensive gear into the new clutch.
[18:35:15] <Bushman> huh?
[18:36:06] <Bushman> furrywolf: i'm sorry, the thought was lost in translation... what do you mean?
[18:36:09] <furrywolf> if it has a safety clutch, and you bypass it, something expensive breaks.
[18:36:26] <furrywolf> because the clutch was put there to keep things from breaking.
[18:36:46] <Bushman> but then if i don't bypass it, it's useless under heavy load
[18:37:08] <Bushman> also it was put there by the designer for The Original Design.
[18:37:13] <Cromaglious> furry: original usage was a servo, so clutch make scense
[18:37:21] <Bushman> this is a new thing for this gearbox XD
[18:38:28] <Bushman> i will see if it will hold or if it will skip under the loads i expect on my home-made CNC
[18:38:33] <Bushman> if it's ok, i'll leave the clutch in
[18:40:52] <Bushman> the business end taken off:
[18:40:52] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/w1ALHMz.jpg
[18:41:14] <Bushman> i can make a new adapter for a chuck with this
[18:53:10] <Bushman> gearbox
[18:53:11] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/uaNAaPo.jpg
[18:53:22] <Bushman> the motor is damn slow
[18:53:38] <Bushman> like 200RPM or so ;/
[18:58:52] <Bushman> the main motor shaft is 4mm with press-fit gear
[18:59:53] <Bushman> i highly doubt i'll be able to remove and re-fit the gear onto a new motor, for example some stepper
[18:59:59] <Bushman> but that would be cool
[19:00:47] <furrywolf> machine a replacement? :)
[19:01:12] <furrywolf> or try pressing it off
[19:01:28] <Bushman> no toold to machine a new one
[19:01:48] <Bushman> not sure if i'll find anyone who would do that for reasonable amount of money either
[19:01:57] <Bushman> will try pressing it off
[19:04:00] <Bushman> it's comming off
[19:05:04] <furrywolf> just grind the shape of a tooth into the end of a broken off drill bit, put the new black on your stepper, mount the stepper to your mill's table, take a cut, rotate stepper to where the next tooth should be, etc.
[19:05:36] <furrywolf> s/black/blank
[19:05:42] <Bushman> it's off, but i've abused it a lot before trying to punch it out
[19:06:05] <furrywolf> bbl, back to making friends with all the giant spiders under the house.
[19:06:37] <Bushman> feed them cricets
[19:06:41] <Bushman> *crickets
[19:06:46] <Bushman> ;>
[19:06:50] <Bushman> biches love crickets
[19:07:40] <Bushman> now, onto finding 4mm shaft steper
[19:14:09] <rootB> linux CNC, i got a question
[19:14:22] <rootB> I'm trying to cut a paper sheet figure with my machine, but i don't have roland cutting blades
[19:14:30] <rootB> Could i do it with a V bit?
[19:16:00] <Bushman> i have no idea.
[19:16:09] <Bushman> but i would just check XD
[19:16:20] <rootB> im gonna try it
[19:16:25] <rootB> It's gonna be funny to see
[19:16:30] <Bushman> but on the other hand, don't listent to me, i'm weird XD
[19:16:34] <rootB> i mean if ou can enrave
[19:16:38] <rootB> engrave with a V bit
[19:16:42] <rootB> reall small copper
[19:16:45] <rootB> You sohuld be able to cut
[19:17:22] <Bushman> don't get suprised if the paper will just start to fold and drag along with the bit
[19:18:08] <Bushman> also you would have to carefully plan the cutting to make the paper sheet stay together as long as possible
[19:26:57] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/0oRjP1P.jpg
[19:27:20] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/HyKGcAH.jpg
[19:32:38] <furrywolf> what are they? :P
[19:34:18] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/L9em3Aq.png
[19:37:10] <andypugh> I thought biches were more into moss and leaves.
[19:37:38] <furrywolf> hrmm. not sure I've ever seen a suspension bridge where the cables were solid and part of the catenaries...
[19:38:50] <andypugh> It does seem like an inefficient and difficult way to make a full-size bridge
[19:41:48] <furrywolf> I had fun with the toothpick bridge building contest waaaaaay back when. everyone else was copying standard bridge designs, but I decided they all sucked, since they were meant for an evenly distributed load, not the steel rod placed through the middle of the bridge that ours would be tested with. so I built mine as a triangle instead. :)
[19:42:24] <furrywolf> they had to get more weights before mine broke.
[19:42:38] <furrywolf> the design would have sucked horribly in real life, but it wasn't real life, it was designing for a very specific test...
[19:43:24] <zeeshan-laptop> remember
[19:43:24] <zeeshan-laptop> the idea was to laser cut this
[19:43:24] <zeeshan-laptop> with as little parts as possibe
[19:43:29] <zeeshan-laptop> like making it big!
[19:44:10] * furrywolf doesn't remember it ever being mentioned before
[19:44:36] <zeeshan-laptop> im laser cuttig it! :P
[19:44:38] <zeeshan-laptop> you can see!
[19:45:13] <furrywolf> lol
[19:45:17] <furrywolf> bbl, time for me to head to work
[19:45:29] <zeeshan-laptop> cu
[19:45:42] <zeeshan-laptop> hey andypugh
[19:45:49] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/6VgYNn6.gifv
[19:45:53] <zeeshan-laptop> think a sliding door is better
[19:46:06] <zeeshan-laptop> or a door on a piano hinge from the top
[19:46:45] <andypugh> Sliding is common
[19:46:54] <Bushman> i want a laser head :(
[19:46:59] <zeeshan-laptop> if it was your lathe
[19:47:01] <zeeshan-laptop> which one would you do
[19:47:14] <andypugh> A lift-up 2-part top might be better for access
[19:47:23] <zeeshan-laptop> yea
[19:48:28] <andypugh> zeeshan-laptop: I might be tempted by a gas-strut lift-up like http://www.1stmachineryauctions.com/media/lot/903044d574cba5240c165ad5742459f8e240410a.jpg
[19:49:00] <zeeshan-laptop> i like the 2 part idea
[19:49:02] <zeeshan-laptop> cause my lathe is long
[19:49:19] <zeeshan-laptop> might get annoying to lift it up again and again during tool change
[19:49:33] <Bushman> piano hinge is a bad idea... make it fancy, like pull up thing http://www.dom.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/drzwi-podnoszone-pionowe.jpg
[19:49:43] <Bushman> not bad, just not cool :P
[19:49:46] <zeeshan-laptop> piano hinge is simple
[19:49:47] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[19:49:51] <zeeshan-laptop> need a functional enclosure
[19:49:54] <zeeshan-laptop> that wont get annoying to use
[19:50:54] <Bushman> this type is functional, it gets the door out of the way without making you to step back a lot
[19:51:10] <Bushman> the sliding door is simplier in that case tho
[19:51:16] <zeeshan-laptop> it also looks like a hazard to bang my head against
[19:51:17] <zeeshan-laptop> lo
[19:51:18] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[19:51:27] <zeeshan-laptop> sliding seems more convienient
[19:51:31] <Bushman> or you could make a sliding door half on piano hinge door front
[19:51:33] <zeeshan-laptop> ill just make the fixed door removable
[19:51:40] <zeeshan-laptop> incase i need to service
[19:51:49] <Bushman> ^
[19:52:09] <Bushman> sliding on bigger piano-hinged
[19:52:28] <andypugh> Think about drainage, you need the overlaps all in the right directions to deflect coolant
[19:52:37] <Bushman> you've got both, convenience and accessibility
[19:53:09] <Bushman> andypugh: i'm sure he thought about that :P
[19:53:23] <andypugh> No, surely not :-)
[19:53:43] <Bushman> well, i would. don't see a reason he wouldn't
[19:54:46] <andypugh> I was more thiinking in terms of secondary things like making sure coolant doesn’t wash brass swarf into the runners.
[19:54:50] <Bushman> damn it, can't find the stepper i slavaged from old deskjet printer
[19:55:08] <Bushman> i could sworn it had a shaft around 4mm
[19:55:56] <andypugh> I have some steppers on my desk with 6.3mm _bodies_
[19:56:04] <Bushman> andypugh: it doesn't if you use some sort of upside-down runners (which i would probably use, or made covers)
[19:56:17] <Bushman> 6.3mm bodies? hmm...
[19:56:32] <Bushman> i have a stepper right here that has shaft of that diameter lol
[19:57:09] <andypugh> I have yet to find a use for the baby ones
[19:57:23] <Bushman> make a baby CNC
[19:57:38] <Bushman> like 1:10 model
[19:57:40] <Bushman> :P
[19:57:48] <Bushman> fully functional of course
[19:57:56] <Bushman> with tiny routing bits
[19:58:13] <Bushman> engraving shit on tiny stuff
[19:58:15] <Bushman> :D
[19:58:25] <zeeshan-laptop> ill likely do the piano hinge method
[19:58:33] <zeeshan-laptop> then i dont i have to deal with chips getting in the channels
[19:59:26] <Bushman> use thin round rods and brass bushings for slides as guides
[19:59:38] <Bushman> no chips in channels cause no channels
[19:59:39] <Bushman> :D
[20:01:47] <andypugh> How about a tambour like a roll-top dsk :-)
[20:01:51] <andypugh> (desk)
[20:02:36] <andypugh> Anyway… sleep
[20:03:33] <Bushman> zeeshan-laptop: can you tell me what's the model of that laser cutter?
[20:04:09] <Bushman> i need to learn more about designs of laser cutters, figure out the laser sources, etc.
[20:10:36] <Bushman> oh well, sleep time.
[20:10:38] <Bushman> g'nite folks
[20:10:46] * Bushman is gone
[20:13:55] <zeeshan-laptop> speedy300 by trotec
[20:37:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2
[20:38:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx:
[20:38:14] <Tom_itx> Jymmm
[20:38:20] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2:
[20:38:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how goes it?
[20:39:03] <Tom_itx> win7 64 won't install any of my programs win7 32 installed 99% so far
[20:39:42] <Jymmm> Not sure why one would use Win7 at all, but eh
[20:39:53] <Tom_itx> because xp is eol
[20:39:58] <Jymmm> so?
[20:40:04] <Tom_itx> and won't boot on this MB
[20:40:15] <Jymmm> wont boot?
[20:40:20] <Tom_itx> won't install
[20:40:52] <Jymmm> That seems strange,
[20:41:04] <Jymmm> But I probably know why too
[20:41:28] <Tom_itx> because the board doesn't support it
[20:41:53] <Jymmm> Uh, no. that's not it
[20:42:05] <Tom_itx> it says it doesn't
[20:42:18] <Jymmm> link?
[20:44:01] <Tom_itx> http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M/
[20:48:59] <Jymmm> I see no mention of XP being supported or not.
[20:49:24] <Tom_itx> my experience, if it doesn't say it, it doesn't
[20:49:28] <Jymmm> That's like saying ubuntu wont work because it doesn't say it's supported.
[20:49:38] <Tom_itx> ubuntu works fine
[20:49:56] <Jymmm> But it doens't say it, so by uoutr logic it doens't work.
[20:50:02] <Jymmm> your*
[20:50:26] <Tom_itx> it must not then
[20:50:41] <Jymmm> The ONLY issue I might see is SATA support, but you cna either edit the bios or slipstream the drivers
[20:50:58] <Jymmm> but you just said it did,
[20:51:00] <Tom_itx> my other pcs have sata
[20:57:02] <Jymmm> That's not the issue
[21:14:58] <furrywolf> installing XP on anything internet-connectable is a very bad idea
[21:15:29] <Jymmm> not any more than anything else
[21:15:56] <furrywolf> yes, more than anything else. well, not more than win98...
[21:16:20] <furrywolf> microsoft stopped releasing security patches for XP a while ago. there are known, unpatched vulnerabilities.
[21:16:35] <Jymmm> Most of the bugs after 10+ years are known. Say that about that 30 day release no matter what schedule
[21:16:59] <roycroft> firewalls ameliorate the exposure signficantly
[21:17:12] <roycroft> and safe browsing, of course
[21:17:18] <Jymmm> not really
[21:17:24] <roycroft> yes, really
[21:17:35] <Jymmm> you can think that all you want.
[21:17:41] <roycroft> i hardly ever use windows, because it's too difficult to deal with for the most part
[21:17:48] <furrywolf> you shouldn't be browsing from whatever single-purpose machine you needed to install XP for. heh.
[21:17:50] <roycroft> but i have some applications that only run on windows
[21:18:00] <roycroft> and one in particular that only runs on xp
[21:18:06] <roycroft> well, it runs on vista too
[21:18:10] <Jymmm> VM's ftw
[21:18:11] <roycroft> but vista is a non-starter
[21:18:19] <roycroft> yes, i run it in a vm
[21:18:30] <furrywolf> and if you do browse, don't use IE. IE on XP has known, unpatched, already-exploited-in-the-wild vulnerabilities.
[21:18:30] <roycroft> and i do connect it to the internet when i have to
[21:18:36] <roycroft> and i'm very careful what i do
[21:18:40] <roycroft> i use firefox on that vm
[21:19:07] <roycroft> i hate having to use it, but it is what it is
[21:19:13] * furrywolf has never found VMs useful
[21:19:28] <roycroft> i use vms all the time
[21:19:38] <roycroft> we're moving most of our producting servers into vms
[21:19:40] <furrywolf> I've tried running windows in one, but the system requirements are such that it can't run usefully.
[21:19:54] <roycroft> *shrug*
[21:20:02] <roycroft> they run as fast as they would run on the raw hardware
[21:20:19] <roycroft> sounds like you haven't used a modern hypervisor
[21:20:20] <furrywolf> so I just have a pair of single-purposes boxes running windows for the two windows programs I have.
[21:20:40] <furrywolf> I don't own a computer with a modern hypervisor, nor enough ram to run windows alone, much less under another OS.
[21:20:51] <furrywolf> well, XP would run in the ram fine...
[21:21:00] <roycroft> i do most of my new sever builds in vms first before i deploy on the production machine
[21:21:17] <roycroft> when the production version will be a vm i can just copy it over to the new machine when it's built and configured
[21:21:28] <roycroft> when the production version will run on raw hardware the vm is a prototype
[21:21:44] <roycroft> my changelogs allow me to accurately replicate the development work very quickly
[21:22:09] <roycroft> virtualization has really revolutionized several industries
[21:22:32] <roycroft> it's made clusting 100x easier
[21:23:33] <roycroft> it's not new technology at all
[21:23:38] <roycroft> it's rediscovered technology
[21:23:48] <roycroft> ibm were doing virtualization on their mainframes in the '60s
[21:24:06] <furrywolf> I was wrong. apparantly this box does have a modern hypervisor, or at least there's a vmx in the cpu flags.
[21:24:52] <roycroft> well it has the vmx extensions that allow hypervisors to run more efficiently
[21:25:29] <roycroft> most of my servers don't have vmx support, but they still run really fast
[21:25:35] <roycroft> you have to provision them right though
[21:25:52] <roycroft> i don't oversubscribe cpu cores or memory
[21:26:01] <roycroft> that's a big mistake a lot of people make
[21:26:12] <furrywolf> I have 2 slow cores and 3GB of ram. :)
[21:26:14] <roycroft> and something my boss and i argue about a lot
[21:26:31] <roycroft> if i have a sever with 8 cores and 32GB of ram i'll provision 8 virtual machines with 4GB each
[21:26:33] <roycroft> and nothing more
[21:26:54] <roycroft> he, of course, being a boss, wants me to load up about 60 vms on that same machine
[21:27:21] <roycroft> that kind of virtualization also requires lots of spindles
[21:27:22] <furrywolf> the only use I've ever seen for virtualization on servers is when customers need system access, like Linode and etc... otherwise it makes far more sense to only run each service once.
[21:27:41] <roycroft> it makes managing them so much easier
[21:27:47] <roycroft> want to do an os upgrade?
[21:27:53] <roycroft> take a snapshot of your running machine
[21:27:58] <roycroft> clone the snapshot
[21:28:00] <roycroft> upgrade it
[21:28:01] <roycroft> test
[21:28:11] <roycroft> when it's all ready cut over to it as the production vm
[21:28:37] <roycroft> your downtime is a couple minutes vs. several hours
[21:28:55] <furrywolf> or have separate production and devel servers.
[21:29:02] <Jymmm> And when the upgrade fucks up, revert to snapshot and back where you were in 20 seconds or less =)
[21:29:06] <roycroft> i guess you're unwilling to understand
[21:29:13] <roycroft> so i'll just shut up now
[21:29:30] <roycroft> people who make decisions based on no information are impossible to convince otherwise
[21:29:45] <furrywolf> you just mentioned running 8 VMs on one machine. that's a lot more than just a devel/production switch.
[21:30:08] <Jymmm> nt really, we ran 28
[21:30:27] <Jymmm> not*
[21:31:17] <furrywolf> and involves using 8 times the resources, having to manage 8 times the upgrades and patches (except for when they're clones of each other, of course - but that's pointless already), etc.
[21:31:46] <Jymmm> Not at all, VM has tools that unifies all that.
[21:32:34] <ssi> roycroft: lol
[21:32:59] <furrywolf> I think VMs are great when you have users that need/want root access but don't need the resources to justify a dedicated machine... I just don't think that's all that common. I love my Linode, for example, but most people just want some unseen administrator to do all the work for them, and would be perfectly happy with just a home directory...
[21:33:49] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Hold on, a virtual hst and virtual machine are NOT the same thing.
[21:33:53] <Jymmm> host*
[21:34:31] <furrywolf> I'm using a virtual host as an example of a good use of a virtual machine.
[21:35:11] <roycroft> a vps should be oversubscribed to hell and back
[21:35:28] <roycroft> for $25/month (average price) all the user is paying for is bandwidth
[21:35:37] <Jymmm> and power
[21:35:41] <Jymmm> wattage
[21:35:42] <roycroft> any cpu cycles the get are a bonus
[21:35:46] <furrywolf> no, they shouldn't. I had a provider do that. it pissed me off muchly. if I wanted to run a 386 on a modem, I'd do that myself.
[21:36:16] <furrywolf> they eventually went out of business. pissing off customers is not a good way to stay in business.
[21:36:17] <roycroft> vps are for pr0n and war3z
[21:36:53] <roycroft> so i guess the other thing the user is paying for is a hope to not get caught
[21:37:16] <furrywolf> I have no porn on my vps (nor at home either), and the closest thing I have to "warez" is a copy of the programming software for the motor controller on my electric cart, which the manufacturer tries to claim only dealers are allowed to have, so you have to pay the dealer every time you want any trivial setting tweaked.
[21:37:16] <roycroft> i'm assuming that's what you mean by virtual host
[21:37:33] <roycroft> virtual host usually refers to web/email services for a domain on a shared machine
[21:37:55] <furrywolf> "virtual private server" is the term you're looking for.
[21:38:13] <roycroft> yes, a vps
[21:38:15] <roycroft> as i said
[21:39:03] <furrywolf> I don't use windows, so I don't have a need for warez, and I don't like porn. :P
[21:39:54] <roycroft> well a vps is designed to be oversubscribed heavily
[21:40:00] <roycroft> and everyone knows that
[21:40:15] <roycroft> i hate them, personally
[21:40:19] <furrywolf> and, as far as I'm concerned, if you pay for a piece of hardware, you should have the right to adjust settings on said piece of hardware. if the manufacturer thinks otherwise, tough for them.
[21:40:30] <roycroft> but if you're using that as an example of virtualization, it's a poor one
[21:40:46] <roycroft> what has that to do with the price of tea in china?
[21:41:12] <furrywolf> even trivial things like current limits, acceleration, braking, turn rates, input configuration, etc, they want you to pay the dealer for... so I have no problem at all hosting said program and sending it to others. heh.
[21:41:23] <roycroft> oh
[21:41:36] <roycroft> that is not germane to the discussion about virtual machines
[21:41:40] <roycroft> it's a beef you have with a vendor
[21:41:56] <roycroft> that's all part of your license agreement
[21:42:02] <roycroft> if you don't like the license don't buy the product
[21:43:09] <furrywolf> lol
[21:43:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150316-swiss-scientists-to-test-3d-printed-nose-implants-on-sheep.html why do sheep need human shaped noses?
[21:43:53] <roycroft> why did michael jackson need a white person nose?
[21:44:19] <furrywolf> right, and you're probably one of those people who thinks anyone who doesn't like their government should leave instead of try to change it, anyone who doesn't like their religion should go live on the south pole, etc. if you don't like something, do everything you can to make it better. if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
[21:44:24] <roycroft> personally, i thought he was better looking when he was black
[21:44:40] <roycroft> i constnantly try to change my government
[21:45:02] <roycroft> if i were "one of those people" i'd have left this country for a place with a more sane government long ago
[21:45:03] <CaptHindsight> I didn't know that sheep were so concerned about their appearances
[21:45:51] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: sheep are very concerned about their appearances. that's why they're always seen at the mall, always have to have a fancier watch than their neighbors, ... oh, you mean the animal.
[21:46:37] <CaptHindsight> sheeple
[21:56:17] <furrywolf> meh. I'm hungry, but I'm not sure I'm hungry enough to actually make any kind of food.
[21:58:56] <roycroft> i just went to turn the potatoes on the grill and found the propane tank was empty
[21:59:00] <roycroft> so i'll be hungry for a while yet
[21:59:15] <roycroft> i hate it when that happens
[22:00:22] * roycroft is on his last tank now, too - he needs to go fill a bunch this weekend
[22:00:58] <furrywolf> pick up an old regulator off a house trailer with two inputs
[22:01:41] <furrywolf> http://www.nysmartgenerators.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Fairview-Dual-Tank-Kit.jpg looks like that
[22:01:47] <roycroft> that might not be a bad idea
[22:01:53] <roycroft> since i grill quite regularly
[22:01:55] <furrywolf> note the tanks go to separate inputs. don't get one that just has a tee.
[22:02:04] <roycroft> and i can pretty easily remodel my grill to fit two tanks inside
[22:02:52] <roycroft> i would need one that auto-switches before the flame goes out
[22:02:53] <furrywolf> http://www.tejassmokers.com/images/manchangeoverssoverbraid.jpg bad design. don't get.
[22:03:01] <roycroft> otherwise it would not matter
[22:03:07] <furrywolf> they all auto-switch before the flame goes out.
[22:03:20] <furrywolf> failing to do so is a major safety hazard, and would get them sued. :)
[22:03:22] <roycroft> then it's something to consider
[22:03:45] <roycroft> and i assume there's some kind of indicator that it's switched over
[22:03:53] <furrywolf> having the gas go off then turn back on while all the valves are still open is a bad thing.
[22:04:16] <roycroft> so i could monitor and swap tanks before they both are empty
[22:04:31] <roycroft> i probably go through a tank per month on the grill
[22:05:13] <roycroft> so several times per year dinner is delayed if i'm cooking spuds or something else that takes a long time, and i'm not out monitoring constantly
[22:05:56] <roycroft> a thermocouple and a raspberry pi with a wifi dongle would do the job too
[22:06:03] <furrywolf> the one I have has a pressure indicator on it that shows the tank the switch is set to, even if it's switched over to the other tank... so if you see it's turned red, you know the tank you were using is empty, and you're now running off the other one.
[22:06:03] <roycroft> i don't mind if the flame goes out
[22:06:07] <roycroft> as long as i know right away
[22:07:21] <roycroft> for that matter, setting the propane tank on a bathroom scale would be fine
[22:07:29] <roycroft> i check the scale when i'm ready to turn on the grill
[22:07:38] <roycroft> and would know when the tank is close to empty
[22:08:08] <roycroft> i can probably get a bathroom scale for $3.99 at the goodwill
[22:08:10] <furrywolf> I had a grill with that built-in once... the tank table was hinged on one side, and the other side had a spring, with a steel rod to a pointer.
[22:08:43] <roycroft> tonight i didn't fire up the grill 'til 6:30
[22:08:51] <roycroft> usually i start dinner earlier
[22:09:00] <furrywolf> I hate cooking, so never used it. heh.
[22:09:14] <roycroft> good thing we're on summer time now, and my body hasn't fully adjusted yet
[22:09:42] <roycroft> the dual tank switching thing is interesting, though
[22:09:56] <roycroft> i have a dozen propane tanks, so i can easily spare one for that
[22:11:02] <furrywolf> my favorite cooking device, by far, has a magnetron. :)
[22:12:05] <roycroft> i do technical work
[22:12:26] <roycroft> i'm a fiber optic engineer, and do fairly complex networking stuff all day
[22:12:34] <roycroft> cooking is therapy for me
[22:12:49] <roycroft> it's a good way to unwind after a long, geeky, brain-intensive day at work
[22:12:57] <roycroft> plus, it results in good food!
[22:13:00] <furrywolf> I have a switch somewhere with fiber uplink, does that count? :)
[22:13:23] <furrywolf> I find cooking to be work, and the result is nothing but food, which you eat and it's gone.
[22:22:24] <Jymmm> furrywolf: chewing and swallowing is work too, maybe you should stop those things too?
[22:23:18] <furrywolf> as soon as you stop breathing.
[22:23:34] <furrywolf> if you do that, I'll consider it.
[22:23:35] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Hey, you're the one saying it's too much work
[22:40:24] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/8HyBvQy.jpg << 3d printed bong
[22:40:53] <furrywolf> what a waste of plastic.
[22:41:21] <Tecan> it was for calibration
[22:41:35] <Tecan> even holds water
[22:42:09] <Tecan> 0.37 was too thick for layers
[22:42:16] <Tecan> 0.25 was nice
[22:42:38] * furrywolf would be perfectly happy if marijuana vanished from the planet
[22:42:49] <Tecan> you must not smoke it
[22:43:13] <furrywolf> no. I just watch it cause stupidity and unproductivity.
[22:43:30] <furrywolf> legalizing it would fix half the problems
[22:43:44] <Tecan> if you can be perfectly happy bitching about something then your just gay anyway
[22:44:43] * furrywolf points to the collection of strapon harnesses and dildos
[22:46:08] <roycroft> as a brewer, i would say that i'd rather see alcohol eradicated than marijuana
[22:46:28] <roycroft> from a what-would-make-the-world-a-better-place point of view
[22:46:31] <furrywolf> I agree.
[22:46:42] <furrywolf> people rarely get stoned and beat their wives.
[22:46:46] <roycroft> and a big problem with marijuana being illegal is that hemp is also essentially illegal
[22:46:53] <roycroft> and hemp is an incredibly useful plant
[22:47:04] <furrywolf> many of the problems with marijuana would go away if it were legal.
[22:47:11] <roycroft> it is here in oregon :)
[22:47:15] <roycroft> well, starting 1 july
[22:47:19] <cradek> are ... now that it is
[22:47:22] <roycroft> the rest of the country will catch up
[22:47:32] <cradek> yep slooooowly
[22:47:42] <furrywolf> like all the associated crime. there's only drug crime because of drug laws. (with the exception of meth - it seems to damage your brain such that you no longer qualify as human)
[22:47:43] <roycroft> the problem is not marijuana per se
[22:48:00] <roycroft> it's a mechanism of voter suppression that is hard to challenge
[22:48:35] <roycroft> that's the main reason it's still illegal
[22:48:53] <roycroft> if you're a brown person and you're caught with a few joints it's a felony, and you lose your right to vote
[22:48:59] <Tecan> isnt it legal in washington now too ?
[22:49:06] <roycroft> if you're a white person and you're caught with a few joints it's a fine and you go on your way
[22:49:11] <Tecan> i got my green card in canada here
[22:49:12] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: how can they tell the difference?
[22:49:12] <roycroft> yes, it's legal in washington and colorady
[22:49:14] <roycroft> colorado
[22:49:17] <roycroft> and also in dc
[22:49:28] <roycroft> it will be legal in alaska soon - some time this year
[22:49:33] <roycroft> and in oregon on 1 july
[22:50:16] <roycroft> our motor voter law was signed by our new governor today too :)
[22:50:28] <furrywolf> around here, no one cares if you have a few joints, or a few pounds.
[22:50:32] <roycroft> when you get your driver's license you're automatically registered to vote
[22:50:43] <roycroft> we're the first state in the nation to implement that law
[22:51:13] <furrywolf> doesn't matter what color you are.
[22:51:29] <roycroft> in many states it does matter
[22:51:42] <roycroft> and btw, yes, you do have to have proof of citizenship to get a driver's license in oregon
[22:52:02] <furrywolf> pot is pretty much legal here... the cops only care if you have a huge grow or a grow on public land.
[22:52:05] <roycroft> and our new motor voter law stipulates that if we ever grant provisional licenses to undocumented aliens they will not be registered to vote
[22:52:15] <furrywolf> and even for a huge grow, as long as it's on your property, you just get probation anyway.
[22:52:23] <cradek> furrywolf: you sound white
[22:52:30] <roycroft> the term of the sentence is not the issue
[22:52:34] <roycroft> it's whether it's a felony or not
[22:52:45] <roycroft> if you're convicted of a felony you lose your right to vote
[22:52:47] <cradek> a cop's discretion is not a good bet for everyone
[22:52:56] <furrywolf> I don't know of anyone who's been given a felony for growing here.
[22:53:05] <roycroft> and in many jurisdictions that is being used in lieu of the unconstitutional jim crow laws
[22:53:17] <furrywolf> it's only a felony if you also have meth and a stash of guns, which is pretty common. heh.
[22:53:49] <cradek> roycroft: the roberts court is working on bringing those back, don't worry
[22:53:55] <furrywolf> my favorite is how they "destroy" grow equipment... they cut the plugs off the ballasts. at the plug end. and leave it all intact.
[22:54:18] <furrywolf> aka "we don't give a fuck, but someone says we have to"
[22:55:03] <roycroft> roberts does not scare me as much as i thought he would
[22:55:14] <furrywolf> come to think of it, I haven't heard of a pot bust of any kind in a while, where other drugs weren't also involved... they might have just stopped caring entirely.
[22:55:16] <roycroft> scalia, thomas, alito, and sometimes kennedy concern me a *lot*
[22:55:21] <cradek> nuking the voting rights act does scare me
[22:55:40] <roycroft> that all said this is the most extreme right supreme court we've had since the first gilded age
[22:55:50] <roycroft> i just thought it would be even worse than it is
[22:56:17] <cradek> yeah, you're right
[22:56:44] <roycroft> never before in our history has stare been so rejected
[22:57:05] <furrywolf> what is this supposed nuking of the voting rights act that I haven't heard about?
[22:57:19] <roycroft> and that's my main problem with roberts - he said in his confirmation hearing that stare is a major foundation of jurisprudence in this country
[22:57:30] <roycroft> scotus overturned major parts of it
[22:57:56] <cradek> furrywolf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County_v._Holder
[22:58:29] <cradek> furrywolf: this is why the big suppression movements ("voter id") have been going so strong the last couple years
[22:58:50] <furrywolf> oh, they're getting rid of that? makes sense.
[22:58:52] <roycroft> and scalia, in his seethingly sarcastic manner (i'm being generous, otherwise i would have to believe that he's completely disconnected from reality) said that "congress can just pass new legislation to fix this"
[22:59:04] <roycroft> just as he said this week about the aca case
[22:59:13] <roycroft> but that
[22:59:19] <roycroft> is not the case the bothers me the most
[22:59:25] <roycroft> citizen's united is the big one
[22:59:37] <roycroft> and i hold roberts responsible for that
[22:59:40] <roycroft> don't think i'm a fan of his
[22:59:44] <furrywolf> making some states but not others subject to extra work doesn't make any sense. either make all do it, or none.
[22:59:55] <roycroft> i'm just pleasantly surprised that he's not a total wingnut
[23:00:15] <roycroft> making states that don't suppress voters do a bunch of extra work does not make sense
[23:00:36] <roycroft> those that have been proven to violate voter rights should bear the burden completely
[23:00:56] <furrywolf> when? 50 years ago?
[23:01:09] <roycroft> i agree in principle with the decision
[23:01:16] <roycroft> but i'm pretty realistic/pragmatic
[23:01:33] <roycroft> there's *NO WAY* this congress is going to pass a new voter rights act
[23:01:40] <furrywolf> I don't consider it "nuking the voting rights act", that's for sure.
[23:01:45] <roycroft> they can't even pass a fucking budge without major drama
[23:01:51] <roycroft> it completely gutted the meat of the act
[23:02:39] <cradek> furrywolf: it sounds like you have not read much about Shelby yet...
[23:02:58] <roycroft> i don't think the congress should be responsible for deciding who needs should be required to get approval for their voting law/redistricting changes, btw
[23:03:06] <roycroft> it should be an independent commission
[23:03:12] <roycroft> congress should be hands off
[23:03:23] <roycroft> delegate, and get the politics out of it
[23:03:32] <furrywolf> I want a law that says religious people aren't allowed to vote. If you're obviously mentally incompetent and just do what churches tell you, it's just like selling your vote, and illegal.
[23:03:40] <cradek> you might say the same about districting
[23:04:34] <cradek> but then you just have to control the commission, shrug
[23:04:54] <zeeshan|2> ??
[23:04:57] <furrywolf> I think we should have let the south leave. would avoid a lot of problems. :)
[23:04:59] <zeeshan|2> whats going on in here lol
[23:05:24] <cradek> furrywolf: http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/map-jesusland.jpg
[23:05:44] <roycroft> i don't want a law like that
[23:05:57] <roycroft> i want relious institutions to lose their tax-exempt status
[23:06:04] <furrywolf> lol
[23:06:15] <roycroft> religion, as practised in america, is inherently political
[23:06:55] * roycroft has been an ecotopian/cascadia secessionist for decades
[23:07:05] <furrywolf> while we're at it, let's get rid of representational democracy and switch entirely to direct democracy, eliminating all the districts and such crap.
[23:07:25] <roycroft> i'm more than done trying to fix the south and the breadbasket
[23:07:43] * LeelooMinai emerges after making cable for the spindle
[23:07:43] <roycroft> and tired of subsidizing those parts of the country with my tax dollars
[23:07:57] <roycroft> direct democracy does not scale
[23:08:34] * roycroft suggests folks read
[23:08:43] <roycroft> "the nine nations of north america" some time
[23:08:55] <roycroft> i live in one of the "nations" that would benefit in splitting up
[23:09:16] <LeelooMinai> I wanted shielded wires for the spindle so I bought on ebay some airplane-approved cable. lol, what a pita - my fingers still hurt from taking isolation from it.
[23:09:20] <roycroft> i think the ones that would not, such as the south and the great wasteland, would wake up after the teat is gone
[23:09:29] <roycroft> and figure out how to conduct themselves reasonably
[23:09:48] <furrywolf> sure it does. and I think we should have monthly votes, doing with secure online voting. all voters are given a non-networked electronic device that signs a manually entered ballot hash, with the result typed in, to prevent any chance of malware etc placing votes.
[23:09:53] <zeeshan|2> LeelooMinai: lol
[23:10:22] <LeelooMinai> It has some EPFA coating or something like this - what a bastard:)
[23:10:57] <roycroft> and believe me, i would be all for continuing to suckle the less enlightened parts of the country if i thought there was a chance that they would learn while still being propped up
[23:11:15] <furrywolf> with monthly votes, even small things could be placed on the ballot without a huge hassle, and with the ability to recall a politician a month after they fuck up, they'll have a lot more incentive to actually do what the voters say they should be doing.
[23:11:15] <roycroft> furrywolf: people don't even know how to elect a functional congress
[23:11:43] <roycroft> there's no way in hell they can be trusted en masse to understand the nuances of the legislation that's required to make a large nation functional
[23:12:16] <zeeshan|2> you complainers need to go live in syria for a couple weeks
[23:12:26] <zeeshan|2> might appreciate what you have here
[23:12:32] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[23:12:57] <LeelooMinai> But good news is I looked inside that GS2 drive I bought and it's very well made. The high voltage big caps are Nichicon, nice design all over and conformal coating everywhere - it just looks nicely made. And the manual is excellent. I would say worth a bit extra in respect to the cheap Chinese VFDs.
[23:13:19] <zeeshan|2> isn't that drive made by westinghouse
[23:13:24] <zeeshan|2> teco westinghouse
[23:13:28] <zeeshan|2> or whatever :P
[23:13:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: As-Salaam-Alaikum :)
[23:13:47] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, not sure to be honest - it's what automationdirect seems to sell
[23:13:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: lol
[23:15:19] <cradek> LeelooMinai: I have only heard good things about the GSx family
[23:15:36] <furrywolf> I wish I could afford something with servos.
[23:15:39] <CaptHindsight> when I was little I always thought they were saying "Salami I like em"
[23:15:40] <furrywolf> and VFDs.
[23:15:49] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: haha
[23:16:48] <LeelooMinai> Tomorrow I will try to use their software on Windows and that USB to RS485 bridge I found.
[23:17:04] <LeelooMinai> To see if something explodes.
[23:17:22] <LeelooMinai> If not, I will proceed on the linuxcnc box
[23:17:33] <zeeshan|2> all you really need to do is power it
[23:17:36] <zeeshan|2> w/ the motor hooked up
[23:17:39] <zeeshan|2> :p
[23:17:46] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:17:58] <LeelooMinai> Well, I need to control it somehow too:)
[23:18:04] <zeeshan|2> keypad
[23:18:50] <LeelooMinai> I did not make that whole setup to use keypads:)
[23:19:11] <zeeshan|2> if your eonly testing it
[23:19:13] <zeeshan|2> thats all you need
[23:19:49] <LeelooMinai> I want to test the overall setup - including rs485 control.
[23:20:48] <zeeshan|2> werent you going to use rs232
[23:21:21] <LeelooMinai> I found rs485 to usb adapter
[23:21:49] <zeeshan|2> differential signal ftw :D
[23:21:58] <LeelooMinai> In one of my boxes. rs232 would work too, but 485 should be more reliable.
[23:24:07] <LeelooMinai> I also found cheap cables for my solar panel setup - I will use those cables that RV people use.
[23:24:40] <LeelooMinai> Because "dedicated" ones are expensive.
[23:25:05] <LeelooMinai> But need to order an inverter from China:/
[23:25:40] <zeeshan|2> shit from china takes forever :(
[23:25:43] <zeeshan|2> ive been waiting for my stuff
[23:26:43] <LeelooMinai> I should have order it earlier, but had no money - I guess I will put those panels online in May
[23:27:29] <LeelooMinai> Need also to buy something that will show me what comes out of them and log it.
[23:28:04] * roycroft is always waiting for stuff from china
[23:28:21] <LeelooMinai> And make some kind of hinge system so I can change the tilt of those panels in winter:)
[23:28:23] * roycroft buys as much us-made stuff as possible, but still is always waiting for stuff from china
[23:29:08] <LeelooMinai> If I had unlimited resources I would buy only from Canda too:)
[23:29:53] <roycroft> to be slightly on topic for once, the us-made jacobs chuck that i recently put on my mill-drill to replace the chinese one that came with it is amazing
[23:30:02] <roycroft> it's really a night and day difference in quality
[23:30:32] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: If you bought an expensive Chinese chuck it would probably be better than that Jacobs:)
[23:30:55] <roycroft> mayhap
[23:31:02] <roycroft> i've never seen such a chinese chuck though
[23:31:11] <roycroft> but i won't argue that they don't exist
[23:31:35] <LeelooMinai> Chinese keep good stuff for themselves probably
[23:31:40] <zeeshan> new jacobs is made in china
[23:31:47] <zeeshan> thats why theyre shit
[23:31:56] <roycroft> which is why i bought a used one
[23:32:13] <zeeshan> yea
[23:32:18] <zeeshan> i have a chinese precision chuck
[23:32:44] <zeeshan> vs albricht chuck
[23:32:44] <roycroft> really low-end tooling moves around
[23:32:51] <zeeshan> no comparison :P
[23:32:56] <roycroft> after the war it was japan that pumped out cheap crap
[23:33:00] <zeeshan> but jacobs is not as good as it used to be
[23:33:03] <roycroft> that moved to taiwan in the '60s
[23:33:07] <roycroft> to china in the '70s
[23:33:17] <roycroft> now it's moving to vietnam and india
[23:33:30] <roycroft> the japanese stuff is now every bit as good as the best us/german/uk stuff
[23:33:39] <roycroft> taiwanese stuff almost as good
[23:33:47] <zeeshan> taiwanese ftw
[23:33:58] <roycroft> and prc stuff is getting up there in quality
[23:34:14] <LeelooMinai> Korean things seem to be usually better than Chinese in quality too
[23:34:24] <zeeshan> oh they're way better
[23:34:35] <roycroft> once india and vietnam start making high quality stuff, the bottom of the barrel will probably move to sub-saharan africa
[23:34:48] <roycroft> koreans are more into electronics than tooling
[23:34:50] <LeelooMinai> I was doing some guitar research recently and guitars made in Korea are better than the Chinese ones
[23:35:49] <LeelooMinai> I don't know... Africeans to not seem to have much paitience for precision work, like Asians
[23:36:05] <LeelooMinai> Maybe it's because it's too hot there:)
[23:36:14] <roycroft> which is why the cheap crap stuff is going to move there
[23:36:46] <LeelooMinai> I already imagine "Made in Africa" being new "Made in China"
[23:37:29] <roycroft> currently it's "made in india"
[23:38:16] <zeeshan> i think india is leaps ahead of china
[23:38:17] <zeeshan> in precision stuff
[23:38:35] <zeeshan> for example glanze tooling
[23:38:39] <zeeshan> good stuff!
[23:38:43] <roycroft> i've never seen precision stuff from india
[23:38:51] <zeeshan> it's not as famous
[23:39:00] <zeeshan> they mostly export to places like the middle east
[23:39:01] <roycroft> i accidently bought some files a while back that were made in india
[23:39:07] <zeeshan> not sure why not to north america
[23:39:08] <LeelooMinai> I have seen some clothes from India and that's all:)
[23:39:12] <roycroft> i think they had a rockwell hardness of about 39
[23:39:15] <zeeshan> LOL
[23:39:16] <zeeshan> nice
[23:39:26] <zeeshan> btyw i bought the nicholson files made in mexico
[23:39:27] <roycroft> and i had to debur them before i could wipe them across my metal
[23:39:31] <zeeshan> theyre 100x better than my old usa made ones
[23:39:36] <zeeshan> but that could be cause theyre worn
[23:39:43] <zeeshan> the guys that talk shit about the new files are retarded
[23:39:48] <zeeshan> they clearly havent tried em
[23:40:14] <roycroft> i bought some nicholson french rasps that were cryogenically treated by a third party
[23:40:18] <roycroft> amazing rasps
[23:40:21] <zeeshan> i tried their mill file, flat bastard file, half moon, and round
[23:40:40] <zeeshan> whats a rasp file used for?
[23:40:44] <zeeshan> it looks like its for wood
[23:40:46] <zeeshan> cause of the cut
[23:40:53] <roycroft> yes, for wood
[23:40:59] <zeeshan> ive used it on fiberglass
[23:41:00] <roycroft> and the "french" style are hand-cut
[23:41:05] <roycroft> so they're random
[23:41:06] <zeeshan> but not sure if that is what it's meant for
[23:41:11] <zeeshan> ah
[23:41:17] <roycroft> i do a lot of woodworking as well as machining
[23:41:25] <zeeshan> im putting together a bridge right now
[23:41:33] <zeeshan> i dont know if you saw what i posted earlier
[23:41:43] <zeeshan> how long does elymer's white glue take to remove weight from the joint?
[23:41:58] <zeeshan> some say 15 min, some say 30 min, some say 1 hour
[23:42:00] <zeeshan> some say a day
[23:42:01] <zeeshan> lol
[23:42:10] <roycroft> i don't use white glue
[23:42:17] <zeeshan> ts all i had
[23:42:24] <roycroft> so i have no valid say
[23:42:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/0oRjP1P.jpg
[23:42:39] <roycroft> i've been woodworking since the '60s, actually
[23:42:41] <zeeshan> gotta put all that together
[23:42:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/L9em3Aq.png
[23:42:49] <zeeshan> to make that
[23:42:49] <roycroft> and only doing real machining since the '90s
[23:43:12] <roycroft> are you making a bridge?
[23:43:39] <roycroft> oh, i should have checked the second link :)
[23:43:51] <roycroft> so you're a teacher, eh?
[23:47:37] <Cromaglious> roycroft, guess I could actually say I'm also a wooddddddddworker since the 60's
[23:48:00] <ssi> zeeshan: you here?
[23:48:05] <ssi> zeeshan: sw question
[23:48:10] <roycroft> we don't need to know anything about what you do in private, cromanglious :P
[23:48:11] <Cromaglious> if you count stuff I did at 5 years old
[23:48:35] <ssi> in a 3d sketch, I'm trying to figure out how to relate two lines so that they're colinear in one plane
[23:49:14] <ssi> I guess I need to make them coplanar somehow
[23:50:52] <ssi> HA GOT IT
[23:57:27] <zeeshan> hi
[23:57:44] <zeeshan> roycroft: im Ta'ing