#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-03-17

[00:26:49] <Cromaglious> my arse hurts... I hate sewing... the chair is too low, the machine is too low, and the light isn't bright enough....
[00:27:15] <Cromaglious> but it's just the right height for my 5' 2" wife
[00:33:24] <furrywolf> so don't do things you hate, get a taller chair, get a taller table, get a brighter light, and use more lube.
[00:34:17] <furrywolf> bbl
[00:46:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4rSsldQ.png
[00:47:01] <zeeshan> i think this is what my lathe enclosure will look like roughly
[00:47:10] <zeeshan> how should i do the doors? :p
[00:58:48] <Cromaglious> 4 sliding hanger doors, 3 to the right and 1 to the left
[01:01:26] <zeeshan> this is what i came with
[01:01:30] <zeeshan> one fixed door
[01:01:32] <zeeshan> and one sliding door
[01:02:51] <Cromaglious> left most slides to the left to give access to the head stock, right three or 2, slide all the way right to allow access for materials or maintenance.
[01:03:45] <Cromaglious> oh, this is a cnc mainly... 2 doors both sliders.. 1/2 way off either side
[01:04:07] <zeeshan> i dont think the right door needs to move
[01:05:04] <Cromaglious> tool changer?
[01:05:11] <Cromaglious> turret?
[01:05:14] <zeeshan> no turret
[01:05:18] <zeeshan> just tail stock
[01:05:21] <zeeshan> i can reach in
[01:07:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6VgYNn6.gifv
[01:08:06] <zeeshan> ill put a latch on the left side
[01:08:14] <zeeshan> and a stop too on both sides
[01:08:19] <zeeshan> so the door doesnt fly off
[01:20:33] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/4rSsldQ.svg
[01:21:13] <zeeshan> its more important that left door comes out more
[01:21:16] <zeeshan> but i like that setup too
[01:21:53] <Cromaglious> so the top rail comes out further on the left side..
[01:23:41] <Cromaglious> pin thru the top rail keeps them from coming out.. the rollers in the top should be a close fit to control rocking
[01:25:27] <Cromaglious> modded reload
[01:27:54] <zeeshan> ah cool
[01:32:13] <Jymmm> Over 2,000 feet elevation gain in 1 mile.
[01:32:14] <Jymmm> Average Grade 41%
[01:32:14] <Jymmm> Steepest Section 68%
[01:32:16] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mziPOrLo4v0
[01:38:53] <Cromaglious> tweked a bit more
[01:39:01] <Cromaglious> http://itslinux.org/cnc/4rSsldQ.svg
[01:39:09] <renesis> jymmm: jezus fuck
[01:39:31] <Jymmm> renesis: exactly
[01:39:40] <Cromaglious> You found Jesus! Great That fsck'r owes me money!
[01:40:04] <renesis> view is beautiful by 30sec in
[01:40:12] <Jymmm> Cromaglious: HE's in colorado at the top of that tral wiring to give you your money.
[01:40:30] <Cromaglious> heh
[01:40:53] <Jymmm> Cromaglious: He's in colorado at the top of that trail waiting to give you your money.
[01:41:04] <renesis> cromaglious: you were the one suggested del puerto canyon?
[01:41:31] <renesis> either you or capthindsight =\
[01:41:44] <Cromaglious> not I
[01:41:50] <renesis> kk
[01:42:31] <Cromaglious> to go to the top of a tall hill, I take the road, if no road, I ain't going
[01:42:49] <Jymmm> Then no money honey!
[01:48:35] <Cromaglious> nite nie all
[01:51:48] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, http://goo.gl/pTYkCx a recent thesis paper on linuxcnc user interfaces
[01:57:22] <Jymmm> One LinuxCNC blurp, but primarily Machinekit
[03:13:08] <Deejay> moin
[03:45:52] <renesis> deejay: no u
[04:21:11] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprint.com/51566/carbon3d-clip-3d-printing/
[04:23:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vox.com/2015/3/16/8227627/3d-printing-liquid-continuous
[04:34:00] <XXCoder1> heys
[06:35:08] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: hah that eifeltower looks sick =)
[06:35:13] <MrSunshine> something out of terminator =)
[06:37:04] <MrSunshine> haha second link even said terminator 2 :P
[07:06:43] <CaptHindsight> that works similar to how we SLA print cell phone and laptop cases, only we're not limited by small size of their XY and by the materials their system requires
[07:06:52] <jthornton> Thunar is exceptionally annoying to use
[07:08:38] <CaptHindsight> their oxygen permeable membrane will melt if you polymerize too quickly and it only works with photoinitiators that are inhibited by oxygen
[07:44:29] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Looks like a DLP printer, I don't see how it's different?
[08:19:36] <dirty_d> im jealous http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/157385-cnc-4.html
[08:21:59] <skunkworks> silk out of a sows ear... ;)
[08:33:43] <dirty_d> http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3277/dsc1300c.jpg
[08:33:58] <jdh> that is a lot of work for a g0704
[08:34:17] <dirty_d> whats keeping the left ballnut angularly rigid to the right one?
[08:34:20] <skunkworks> how are you adjusting the preload?
[08:34:31] <dirty_d> it looks like slop in the screw holes would let it move
[08:34:38] <skunkworks> oh - they are spring loading it
[08:34:38] <dirty_d> skunkworks, thats not mine
[08:35:45] <dirty_d> yea it does look like a lot of work
[08:35:51] <skunkworks> probably isn't and issue..
[08:35:56] <dirty_d> im pretty happy with mine besides how interpolated holes come out
[08:36:20] <dirty_d> im getting pretty inconsistent sizes like +/-0.005"
[08:36:33] <dirty_d> but linear cuts and stuff are within 0.001 or better
[08:37:00] <jdh> oval holes or just wrong size?
[08:37:17] <dirty_d> and when i cut steel with the spindle up higher on the z axis theres some pretty good vibration
[08:37:35] <dirty_d> column isnt very stiff
[08:38:42] <dirty_d> id try to do something crazy like bolt it to a concrete wall, but my basement walls are made of boulders
[08:39:15] <skunkworks> cool :)
[08:40:14] <_methods> 25% off at enco LUCKY25
[08:41:36] <dirty_d> in the future what kind of mill would be best to convert to cnc?
[08:42:17] <cradek> trick question - the best cnc mill is the one that came that way
[08:42:41] <cradek> converting a manual to cnc is usually a newbie mistake
[08:42:59] <dirty_d> youre looking at like $10,000 minimum for that though right?
[08:43:04] <archivist> no
[08:43:06] <_methods> nah
[08:43:06] <dirty_d> tormach comes to mind
[08:43:07] <cradek> no way
[08:43:16] <skunkworks> used machine...
[08:43:17] <_methods> you can pick up old iron for $1k-5k
[08:43:25] <dirty_d> wow
[08:43:35] <archivist> real cnc with a dead control will be lots cheaper
[08:43:50] <cradek> depends a lot on where you live, but yeah a few thousand can get you a really good starting machine
[08:44:06] <_methods> the real problem is space
[08:44:13] <_methods> machine is the easy part
[08:44:14] <archivist> converting one will teach you the error of your ways though :)
[08:44:22] <dirty_d> i think id need to wait till i had my own house anyway, dont really want to move a giant machine in my father's shop
[08:44:52] <archivist> cradek, erm you have converted to? :)
[08:44:53] <malcom2073> I picked up my 3000lb knee mill for $350 with dead electronics
[08:44:57] <malcom2073> There are always cheap deals to be had
[08:45:10] <malcom2073> Nobody wants to move/house the big machines, so they go for cheaper sometimes
[08:45:12] <dirty_d> thats a hell of a deal
[08:45:39] <dirty_d> malcom2073, what kind of backlash do these old cnc machines have?
[08:45:40] <cradek> archivist: the only manual I've converted to cnc is a sherline lathe. all my others were dead cncs.
[08:45:47] <malcom2073> all I gotta do is clean the machine up, buy a $300 mesa setup, and go
[08:45:56] <malcom2073> dirty_d: This is a 1990, it has ballscrews so... none
[08:45:58] <malcom2073> discernable at least
[08:46:01] <dirty_d> nicwe
[08:46:12] <archivist> cradek, it was the lathe I was thinking about :)
[08:46:22] <dirty_d> a lathe would be nice
[08:46:27] <dirty_d> someday
[08:46:36] <cradek> archivist: it actually works pretty well, I still use it
[08:46:53] <archivist> a lathe is a real need
[08:47:04] <dirty_d> i made the mistake of buying one of those adjustable reamers on ebay
[08:47:12] <archivist> I use lathes more than the mill
[08:47:23] <dirty_d> totally useless
[08:47:31] <dirty_d> the blades arent even close to the same sizes
[08:47:51] <archivist> is it just dirty
[08:48:08] <dirty_d> its dirty, but they are really also not the same size at all
[08:48:17] <dirty_d> it just looks of terrible wuality also
[08:48:24] <_methods> that's probably something you don't want to buy from ebay
[08:48:24] <archivist> has previous person shuffled the blades
[08:48:24] <dirty_d> it looks like someone cut the threads with a file
[08:49:09] <dirty_d> nah
[08:49:55] <dirty_d> im surprised how expensive reamers are
[08:50:53] <dirty_d> it would be nice if i could make some money off this stuff to fund better tools
[08:50:57] <dirty_d> is that what you guys do?
[08:52:25] <archivist> would like to do!
[08:52:44] <archivist> not getting enough work at the moment
[08:54:28] <dirty_d> yea i dont think id raelly be able to find any
[08:55:17] <dirty_d> the only thing i can think of that would be worthwhile is to design something taht would be pretty exensive and try to sell it in small quantities online
[08:55:24] <dirty_d> not like id be able to produce any volume
[08:56:32] <skunkworks> we have been pretty lucky getting (well dad has been lucky) inexpensive cnc machines..
[08:56:51] <archivist> dadtraining++
[08:59:16] <_methods> well thanks to amazon and ebay now you can make whatever you want and sell it out therre
[08:59:21] <dirty_d> yea
[08:59:26] <_methods> until the chinese copy it and cut your throat
[09:00:16] <dirty_d> how would you go about milling something like this? http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/images/1022/parts/trigger_silver1W.png
[09:00:36] <dirty_d> im finding work holding is about as hard as actually designing the part
[09:01:02] <archivist> make in on the end of a stick, part off
[09:01:08] <archivist> in/it
[09:01:38] <dirty_d> hmm?
[09:02:03] <dirty_d> like out of round bar mounted horizontally in a vice?
[09:02:36] <archivist> or flat or whatever http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_14_cnc_watch_verge_escape_wheel/IMG_0273.JPG
[09:03:04] <archivist> I use round for gear/watch/clock type parts
[09:03:29] <archivist> about 3mm OD
[09:03:45] <dirty_d> wow, damn
[09:04:28] <archivist> and used the best one to mount on the original pinion http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_14_Watch_verge_escape/IMG_0274.JPG
[09:05:42] <dirty_d> hmm, yea i guess you could mount flat bar in a vice, mill one side, flip it and do the other side, have some flat surface to then mount it vertically and cut the excess off and cut the groove
[09:06:17] <dirty_d> well, if the top were flat
[09:06:47] <dirty_d> actually you could do that round part in the first two steps, doesnt need to go all the way through
[09:06:51] <archivist> if you machine is 4 axis all the flipping can be easy
[09:07:14] <archivist> 5 axis and the parting is trivial too
[09:07:37] <dirty_d> that would be nice
[09:10:28] <jdh> how long does it take you to make one of those?
[09:10:33] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/157385-cnc-23.html#post1397056
[09:10:36] <jdh> whole workflow
[09:10:41] <dirty_d> ive never made one, just using it as an example
[09:11:09] <dirty_d> ive just had ideas for things, but then i had no good idea of actually how to hold it
[09:12:19] <jdh> I meant archivists tiny gears
[09:12:22] <dirty_d> oh
[09:16:19] <archivist> jdh can be a while, made the cutter, hardened it too, best part of a day I suppose
[09:16:59] <archivist> long time ago cant remember total time
[09:27:40] <Nick001> JT - Around?
[09:29:00] <Nick001> Have questions about the new debian disk
[09:31:54] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight, new!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TgmvV2ElQ
[09:36:33] <_methods> is that a train i hear......choo choo
[09:36:42] <_methods> all aboard the 3d printing hype train lol
[09:37:04] <_methods> classic comments
[09:42:47] <ssi> morn
[09:43:52] <Nick001> <ssi> sleeping in?
[09:44:52] <ssi> something like that :)
[09:44:57] <ssi> it's still morning!
[09:45:14] <Nick001> barely -)
[09:45:28] <ssi> there's an hour and a half left!
[09:45:40] <Nick001> just-
[09:46:37] <Nick001> I'm looking for lunch already
[09:47:08] <skunkworks> Nick001, ask your question
[09:47:10] <Nick001> Do you know much about the new debian disk?
[09:48:30] <Nick001> I have it loaded bur it's missing some ations form Ubuntu-stepper-XYZA
[09:49:01] <Nick001> some cnc configurations
[09:49:58] <archivist> you mean stepconf is
[09:51:25] <Nick001> I have the stepconfig - this ia a program that was on the dropdown menu in Ubuntu
[09:51:56] <ssi> all aboard the windows train
[09:52:01] <ssi> six reboots before your next stop
[09:52:02] <archivist> where is the dropdown?
[09:52:27] <archivist> stepconf is the program
[09:52:42] <Nick001> CNC - then sims and examples
[09:54:19] <Nick001> I'm converting a Bridgeport with steppers to linuxcnc and would like to continue with the new system
[09:54:59] <archivist> I am not sure you are asking the right question
[09:57:01] <Nick001> probly not - In ubuntu there is Stepper-XYZA in the main samples dropdown. In debian, it's not there. How do transfer it to Debian?
[09:57:53] <Nick001> or get it from synaptic
[09:58:28] <archivist> it probably just moved to to a sub menu
[09:59:13] <Nick001> I opened all the nested links and not there.
[10:00:06] <cradek> Nick001: use stepconf. I think we removed some old and stale sample configs that can be generated interactively by stepconf.
[10:02:51] <Nick001> OK- will try that. These sample configs, do they install some hidden files elsewhere or could I copy the config dir from Ubuntu and put it in Debian without screwing things up?
[10:03:33] <cradek> is this mill already running an old version of linuxcnc and working?
[10:04:57] <Nick001> yes - I have x any y moving and am working on z
[10:05:33] <cradek> ok and between doing XY and doing Z you've decided to install a new OS and move to a different version of linuxcnc?
[10:06:32] <Nick001> while I'm doing things - get the newest if I can
[10:06:50] <cradek> ok, just making sure I understand. still if this is a software-stepgen-over-parallel-port I am sure you should start fresh with stepconf. it will take like 2 minutes to fill out the values you've figured out in your old config.
[10:07:14] <Nick001> got smaller CPU's to fit better
[10:07:47] <Nick001> Using 5i25 and 7i76 cards
[10:08:59] <Nick001> the comfiguation I'm using is Stepper-XYZA which isn't in Debian
[10:14:44] <cradek> ah 5i25 is a bit of a special case, I'm not sure how to advise
[10:16:46] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the amazing part of their tech is raising $41M in venture without any sales
[10:16:54] <Nick001> If I copy the config dir to Debian, will it screw unything up because of hidden or system files?
[10:17:30] <cradek> you can absolutely copy your ~/linuxcnc directory
[10:17:44] <cradek> this is not an os-related question
[10:17:51] <cradek> copy your custom config that's inside your home directory
[10:18:10] <cradek> then if it's from an old version of linuxcnc you may have to update it - see the release notes for the versions you're crossing
[10:19:33] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: what they claim is new is their rate of printing, it is faster then SLA printers that stop and peel each layer off the vat, but they don't explain its limitations
[10:20:47] <Nick001> Ok - Thanks for the time
[10:55:24] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrG13DAGA3s
[10:55:27] <_methods> that looks safe
[10:56:51] <SpeedEvil> meh
[10:56:58] <SpeedEvil> the blade is going _really_ slowly
[10:57:27] <SpeedEvil> If it actually completely falls off, it doesn't have energy to get into the boat with him
[10:57:48] * SpeedEvil is currently designing a tablesaw for my 450mm blade.
[10:57:50] <CaptHindsight> go in a circular course, see how many laps you can make before you cut through
[10:57:56] <_methods> hahah
[10:58:11] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure if I should allow to put in a 700mm blade
[10:58:29] <SpeedEvil> as they are readily available. I suppose 500mm is about the largest I should go
[10:59:25] <CaptHindsight> maybe a chaninsaw drive next for the iceboat
[10:59:38] <_methods> ooohh
[10:59:50] <_methods> dual chainsaw snow mobile
[11:00:10] <CaptHindsight> "things to do in Minnesota during the winter besides freezing"
[11:00:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTBi6-zuAY wood-gas chainsaw
[11:00:44] <SpeedEvil> Note that the fire-extinguisher on the side of the wood gassifier is a decoy. It's not actually a fire-extinguisher
[11:02:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7kKRjcE9Vnk#t=189 to see it run
[11:09:45] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=908tAIbq-6Q
[11:09:54] <_methods> steam powered......chainsaw?
[11:10:08] <_methods> there is a chain driving the saw
[11:10:41] <archivist> water cooled internal combustion, not steam
[11:10:47] <_methods> ah damn
[11:10:57] <_methods> i thought one of them was steam
[11:11:21] <archivist> it is a hopper cooled engine, just boils it off
[11:11:34] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygyuWg12i2A
[11:12:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyoj-J2BL4 Horse powered saw?
[11:12:53] <_methods> 2 horsepowered
[11:16:03] <CaptHindsight> I don't see the connection between the horses and the belt driving the saw
[11:16:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72u9FWZIu0 this one only has one belt
[11:18:27] <archivist> bevel to a rotating shaft
[11:21:07] <CaptHindsight> buried under the ground?
[11:21:33] <archivist> nah, you can just spot the girl stepping over it
[11:22:22] <CaptHindsight> ok ~0:27
[11:23:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUzLcbiImWY how long to charge a cell phone?
[11:25:21] <SpeedEvil> http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/05/even-wild-mice-run-wheels
[11:25:43] <CaptHindsight> 1 hp = how many hamsterP?
[11:29:58] <SpeedEvil> 450kg/720W is about 2W/kg, so for 40 grams, that would come out at 80mW?
[11:33:03] <malcom2073> Is muscle power even remotely linear in terms of mass?
[11:33:31] <CaptHindsight> heh Google search: hamster mass ,
[11:34:39] <malcom2073> Heh, "What is the mass of an unladed hamster" just doens't have the same ring to it
[11:35:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Lieber/publication/15266005_Relationship_between_muscle_fiber_types_and_sizes_and_muscle_architectural_properties_in_the_mouse_hindlimb/links/09e4150c8bce1d6db0000000.pdf
[11:35:27] <jthornton> I just love it when people preface their question with "I've got paying jobs to get done what's the best way to do this?"
[11:35:42] <CaptHindsight> http://jeb.biologists.org/content/201/10/1505.full.pdf
[11:36:02] <malcom2073> jthornton: "Oh, you've got paying jobs? Well then, that changes the best way to get it done, for sure" :P
[11:37:50] <jthornton> more like it comes across like "I have paying jobs and need you to drop what your doing and help me"
[11:38:08] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: It pretty much is linear acrossmammals anyway
[11:38:23] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: That's interesting and kind acool
[11:38:51] <SpeedEvil> I would not be astounded at 20 or 320mW out though - but 8mW or 800mW would surprise
[11:39:06] <CaptHindsight> avoid unpaid jobs as much as possible
[11:40:21] <CaptHindsight> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Science-Kids-3250/hamster-science.htm
[11:42:20] <CaptHindsight> and based on the amount of oxygen consumed 0.00152 horsepower
[11:42:53] <CaptHindsight> but that didn't factor in heat loss
[11:43:26] <CaptHindsight> http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=517583
[11:50:48] <_methods> i wouldn't say muscle power is linear in relation to mass
[11:50:54] <_methods> just look at olympic lifters
[11:51:15] <_methods> they will outlift any bodybuilder of an equal mass
[11:53:04] <SpeedEvil> So will hampsters
[11:53:17] <_methods> do you even lift bro lol
[11:53:36] <CaptHindsight> http://jeb.biologists.org/content/208/15/2831.long A modified Hill muscle model that predicts muscle power output and efficiency during sinusoidal length changes
[11:53:51] <CaptHindsight> "The power output of a muscle and its efficiency vary widely under different activation conditions. This is partially due to the complex interaction between the contractile component of a muscle and the serial elasticity. "
[11:54:24] <_methods> that sounds a lot more scientific than what i said
[11:55:34] <archivist> leaf cutter ants make them look like wimps
[11:56:51] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/ :)
[11:57:46] <_methods> hahahah
[11:57:48] <_methods> that's awesome
[12:00:06] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s&t=71
[12:00:27] <CaptHindsight> archivist: so you're saying that we should find a way to scale up the size of ants to better power saws?
[12:02:17] <renesis> capthindsight: you're the one suggested puerto canyon rd?
[12:03:01] <CaptHindsight> renesis: I'm not sure how I was referenced by Jymmm to that
[12:03:28] <renesis> wat
[12:03:31] <renesis> so no?
[12:03:55] <renesis> i need to keep logs
[12:03:57] <CaptHindsight> oh, sorry it was you
[12:04:33] <renesis> no last night i asked cromaglious_, i think?
[12:05:12] <Jymmm> ?
[12:05:20] <CaptHindsight> I must have had a nearby post and got included
[12:05:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what are you babbling about?
[12:05:52] <renesis> yeah you have both been around during convos and im pretty sure it was a c nick, looking for channel logs online
[12:06:18] <renesis> capthindsight: i asked if he was the person who suggested taking del puerto canyon rd from the 5 to the 101
[12:06:34] <renesis> and yes im californian and we say the before our freeways deal with it
[12:06:52] <renesis> from 5 to 101 sounds like im talking about the fucking time
[12:06:53] <CaptHindsight> yeah, about 10hrs ago
[12:07:26] <Jymmm> No, it's sounds fucked aroun 4pm though =)
[12:07:49] <renesis> oh, i asked cromaglious_ but mentioned you
[12:07:59] <Jymmm> about?
[12:08:48] <renesis> mentioned capthindsight, but about del puerto canyon road, i wanted to know if he (whoeever he is) new if taking the road south through the state park was good or just a fire road
[12:09:38] <CaptHindsight> California 101 = Pacific Coast Hwy?
[12:09:46] <renesis> sometimes
[12:10:13] <CaptHindsight> one of my favorite drives
[12:10:13] <renesis> nor really, PCH is HWY 1, but it isnt continuous, it breaks off and merges into the 101 at diff points
[12:10:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: PCH = Hwy 1 and 101 sometimes
[12:10:48] <Jymmm> renesis: To answer your question... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbskqUT7pyY
[12:11:12] <renesis> jymmm: right im talking about a road that breaks off that
[12:11:21] <Jymmm> renesis: 152 is faster as it's two + lanes
[12:11:32] <Jymmm> breaks off?
[12:11:46] <renesis> i always take the 152
[12:12:12] <renesis> i dont like driving through the bay area and i dont like cow oceans on the side of the 99 and the 5
[12:12:29] <Jymmm> renesis: Why would you "break off" from Del Puerto Canyon Road ?
[12:12:56] <renesis> because it only goes half way and you have to take 130 north or south?
[12:13:16] <renesis> south turns west and goes to lower san jose
[12:13:59] <Jymmm> Destnation?
[12:14:06] <renesis> but if you take that way, there is another road that breaks off that and goes through henry coe state park
[12:14:23] <CaptHindsight> whats the PCH drive and view like north of San Francisco?
[12:14:29] <renesis> which pops out around gillroy near the 152
[12:14:54] <renesis> jymmm: im going to LA from sac valley, i miss driving roads
[12:15:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It's inland by about 20 miles on many spots, nice, pretty.
[12:15:33] <renesis> like, ive basically lived within a couple minutes of the santa monica mountains my whole life so im having canyon road withdrawal
[12:15:50] <renesis> also im going to a party for a friend who passed away
[12:16:10] <renesis> he would have approved the longer more recreational route
[12:16:42] <renesis> it adds 2 hours according to google but that distance is as different so im guessing its prob more like 1h15m
[12:17:50] <Jymmm> renesis: Cur across the 46 jut outsode bakersville
[12:17:52] <renesis> *isnt as diff
[12:17:58] <renesis> ?
[12:18:45] <renesis> whats bakersville
[12:18:55] <Jymmm> renesis: You get to hit San Andreas faultline, some agri, end up in/near salinas/monetery/castrobille ARTICHOKE festival in may
[12:19:07] <renesis> oh
[12:19:18] <renesis> trip out i might be passing through in may
[12:19:48] <Jymmm> Fuck that 152 alternative, you'll be miserable due to the heat
[12:20:00] <renesis> jymmm: where is the 46?
[12:20:15] <renesis> ive taken the 152 prob like a dozen times, i like it
[12:20:16] <Jymmm> Google maps "Lost Hills"
[12:20:23] <Jymmm> right off I5
[12:20:52] <renesis> thats so far south
[12:21:00] <Jymmm> And?
[12:21:06] <renesis> im pretty sure you have to go through cow ocean to get there
[12:21:27] <renesis> besides the 101 being gorgeous, cow farms are why i wont take the 5 all the way
[12:21:33] <Jymmm> wth? you ,eam the slaught farm?
[12:21:51] <renesis> yeah they smell and those are not happy cows
[12:21:59] <renesis> happy cows are on the road to jalama beach
[12:21:59] <Jymmm> That's just Harrison Ranch that I know of.
[12:22:17] <renesis> theres a few one them, on the 99 and the 5, ones like ridiculous
[12:22:28] <renesis> also i dont like driving the grapevine during the day
[12:22:36] <Jymmm> Right, so cut across on 46 before you get close to them
[12:22:45] <renesis> car does not like, seems like whatever on cool nights tho
[12:22:49] <Jymmm> renesis: your shit sticks too fucker =)
[12:22:54] <Jymmm> stinks*
[12:22:55] <renesis> i thought they were above that?
[12:23:00] <Jymmm> they are
[12:23:05] <renesis> yeah but there is one of me and i poo into water
[12:23:06] <Jymmm> so cut across BEFORE
[12:23:12] <renesis> also i just makes me feel pukey
[12:23:19] <renesis> i couldnt drink milk for years because of that shit
[12:23:32] <renesis> right so thats why i take the 152
[12:24:07] <Jymmm> http://goo.gl/maps/ZRRgS
[12:24:15] <renesis> but i was complaining how there are no driving roads near where i live now (sierra edge of sac valley)
[12:24:21] <Jymmm> Theres the saughter farm
[12:24:33] <renesis> so someone suggested del puerto canyon and looks perfect, is on the way
[12:24:41] <Jymmm> Why would you go thru that area instead of curring across much earlier?
[12:24:50] <Jymmm> cutting*
[12:24:51] <renesis> im going south
[12:25:04] <Jymmm> you said from LA to Sac
[12:25:14] <renesis> to LA from sac
[12:25:22] <renesis> going north i might just take the 5
[12:25:35] <renesis> only have a day to do it, school night
[12:26:07] <renesis> north, i 101 out of LA until monterey and then cut in on the 152
[12:26:47] <Jymmm> Cheack with caltrans if 1/101 is open al the way
[12:26:58] <renesis> 101 always is
[12:27:16] <renesis> 1 is shut down a lot between SLO and monterey
[12:27:24] <Jymmm> between SLO and MTY it's questionable
[12:27:31] <Jymmm> lol
[12:28:09] <renesis> i thought it was going to be nuts when i drove it, it was pretty mild except for one section
[12:28:36] <renesis> and so many motorcycles and cops there not like you could go fast enough to be crazy
[12:28:42] <Jymmm> If you go now, as i TODAY, cool.
[12:28:58] <Jymmm> green hills atm
[12:29:03] <renesis> yeah
[12:29:08] <renesis> not in the youtube videos
[12:29:13] <renesis> im excited about that
[12:29:24] <Loetmichel> *haha* just sat with a co-worker at the cad workstation desinging a new metal enclosure for a KVM switch... suddenly he looked at the taskbar: "is it 17:32 already?!?" "yes" "So we already did 30 min overtime!" jumps up and disappears to the office, shutting down his computer... that i havent seen a contrail after him is a pure miracle ;-)
[12:29:26] <Jymmm> a week from now, who knows
[12:29:50] <renesis> anyway it looks a lot like the area around laguna seca, which is a lot like home
[12:30:34] <renesis> road kind of looks like the last stretch of mulholland, only 5x longer
[12:30:49] <Jymmm> which?
[12:31:06] <renesis> del puerto canyon
[12:31:10] <Jymmm> ah
[12:31:36] <renesis> 2 lanes, decent maintenance, but hasnt been redone in prob 20-30 years
[12:32:13] <Jymmm> I dont know if Henry Coe is open or even has any water
[12:33:03] <renesis> i think the road i was thinking about taking is a dirt fire road
[12:33:23] <renesis> looks like theres a barrier, too
[12:33:31] <Jymmm> ?
[12:33:34] <renesis> so yeah i just take to lower san jose and down
[12:33:45] <renesis> the one from the 130 through coe park
[12:34:00] <renesis> the gets down towards the 152
[12:34:24] <renesis> so yeah cant do that, totally eat the tires
[12:35:57] <Jymmm> If you tke it south, you can hit Lick Observatory
[12:36:03] <dirty_d> i keep thinking of a new thing to try to make before i even finish the last one, lol. http://www.3dvieweronline.com/share/jrAzswdxZOugMhZ/jrAzswdxZOugMhZ
[12:36:24] <renesis> jymmm: ya! i saw that, is the other reason i want to go
[12:36:32] <renesis> at the very least the view will be amazing
[12:36:45] <Jymmm> renesis: The museum part is ope 8 to 5
[12:37:03] <renesis> cool, i was going to try and do this during the day
[12:37:13] <renesis> going north i always try and sneak out of LA really late
[12:37:16] <Jymmm> Just go into the office and ask when the next tour is (evey hour)
[12:37:21] <renesis> k
[12:37:58] <Jymmm> Down the road fro there is Grant Park (county), my FAVORIATE place to go camping, as they have hot showers (bring quarters)
[12:38:15] <renesis> this when i drops into SJ, no?
[12:38:19] <renesis> i think i saw that on the map
[12:38:26] <Jymmm> between SJ and lick
[12:38:49] <renesis> its too early in the trip to camp
[12:39:07] <Jymmm> You can drive in and check it out for the future
[12:39:09] <renesis> i think im just going to hit the rest stop south of monterey and sleep for few hours
[12:39:38] <renesis> lots of places i can crash in santa barbara, but its like an extra 3 hours after maybe 6
[12:39:50] <Jymmm> The local astronamy club sets up there in the summer about 3am for anyone to look
[12:39:59] <renesis> jymmm: yeah i def wouldnt mind stopping for a stretch
[12:42:41] <Jymmm> After Grant park, there is short and long way into SJ. The short way is at a T and easy to miss.
[12:42:57] <Jymmm> and you cant trun around if you miss it
[12:43:10] <Jymmm> not easily that is
[12:46:12] <Jymmm> renesis: Well, if you make it up this way, I can abuse you in person!
[12:46:59] <Jymmm> renesis: Everything till now has just been a preview of coming attractions.
[12:57:39] <renesis> ha, cool!
[12:57:52] <renesis> no time this trip but im going to be up here for years
[13:41:56] <MarkusBec> PCW: pcw_home I have a problem with the FW update for the 7i92
[13:42:49] <MarkusBec> Error wrong bitfile destination device: 6slx9tqg144, should be xc6slx9
[13:43:52] <pcw_home> Thats a mesaflash bug you need to fetch the latest and rebiuld
[13:46:40] <cpresser> is there a 'simple' way to generate a block-diagramm of the HAL?
[13:47:39] <MarkusBec> where can i get the source code?
[13:47:42] <cpresser> perhaps a HAL->GraphViz tool?
[13:48:16] <MarkusBec> https://github.com/micges/mesaflash this git repo?
[13:49:18] <cradek> pcw_home: when there is a mesaflash bug we should push out a new package, instead of knocking people off packages one at a time so they forever have to do manual builds
[13:50:07] <XXCoder1> http://sploid.gizmodo.com/awesome-liquid-3d-printer-oozes-out-things-from-goo-1691943374 interesting
[13:56:21] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: any information?
[13:58:00] <Tom_itx> MarkusBec that's the repo
[13:58:13] <Tom_itx> i've built and used it on newer cards
[13:59:00] <MarkusBec> ok
[13:59:17] <Tom_itx> cradek that one has been available for a while i believe
[13:59:51] <MarkusBec> its not obvious that this is the main repo and not a fork :)
[14:00:03] <Tom_itx> true
[14:00:08] <cradek> heh that's how github is
[14:01:34] <Tom_itx> this happens when you're on the bleeding edge
[14:02:20] <MarkusBec> ;)
[14:02:39] <MarkusBec> finaly my kernel work with all component
[14:02:50] <MarkusBec> s
[14:13:54] <Swapper> anyone running HAL2Arudino here? have some problems getting it to run
[14:18:52] <skunkworks> I didn't know hal2arduino was the same people as pocket nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijqmLLjHbyk
[14:19:18] <Cromaglious_> ok machine not running so I can use interrupts over here
[14:19:41] <Loetmichel> *meh* 1,5h telefone to sister.... Compter problems... i told her "hey, sis, you are the admin in a 200 ppl company, i am just a production manager in an 8 ppl company, why do you ask ME with computer problems?" ;-)
[14:20:29] <skunkworks> Swapper, I don't really understand how hal2arduino can really work decent... How are you using it?
[14:20:35] <Cromaglious_> Loetmichel: My brother is the same way
[14:21:01] <Swapper> skunkworks: im only goin to read a 0-5v pressure gague
[14:21:06] <Swapper> notin critical
[14:21:19] <skunkworks> oh. have you looked at what jepleer had done?
[14:21:27] <skunkworks> I am using it to read spindle temp..
[14:21:36] <Swapper> no ? jepleer?
[14:21:54] <Swapper> thats a great idea, i have some 1wire temp sensors :)
[14:21:57] <Swapper> would be real nice
[14:22:08] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAUjzjTXEAA6slu.jpg:large
[14:22:13] <ssi> spent a bunch of time modeling AN hardware :P
[14:22:13] <skunkworks> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[14:22:22] <Swapper> but im getting stupid errors when loading the hal2arduino comp
[14:23:40] <Swapper> skunkworks: oh thats nice
[14:23:42] <Swapper> ill try that
[14:23:57] <Swapper> ty
[14:24:46] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-CdFd2Zakc
[14:26:16] <Swapper> heeh cool
[14:26:28] <Swapper> or "hot" :)
[14:26:46] <Swapper> do you have any hal code for the conversion ?
[14:26:53] <Swapper> raw voltage > temp ?
[14:26:57] <skunkworks> yes
[14:27:11] <Swapper> in a sharing mode ? :)
[14:27:22] <skunkworks> it must have been a bridge - it was linear.
[14:27:26] <skunkworks> sharing mode?
[14:27:50] <Swapper> i would realy like to have an example of the code
[14:28:31] <skunkworks> oh heh - sure. when you mean code - hal? because I just used jeplers arduino stuff as is.
[14:28:52] <Swapper> ok so you did the conversion in the arduino ?
[14:28:58] <Swapper> or there are examples mabye
[14:28:59] <skunkworks> nop - hal
[14:29:03] <skunkworks> nope
[14:29:46] <skunkworks> arduino -> hal -> scale -> offset -> z -axis. IIRC
[14:29:51] <XXCoder1> ssi: sketchup?
[14:30:35] <ssi> solidworks
[14:30:41] <XXCoder1> nice
[14:33:22] <XXCoder1> hey guys
[14:33:27] <XXCoder1> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3040-CNC-router-milling-machine-mechanical-kit-CNC-aluminium-alloy-Frame-ball-screw-for-DIY-user/2051273724.html good deal?
[14:37:55] <SpeedEvil> 100% of buyers ca't be wrong.
[14:38:14] <XXCoder1> only one though
[14:38:19] <andypugh> It might be cheaper to buy a pre-imported one from eBay
[14:38:23] <jdh> why does it say wood lathe
[14:38:34] <XXCoder1> no idea
[14:39:12] <XXCoder1> there is another one, slightly smaller but has 100w spidle
[14:39:18] <XXCoder1> 50 bucks more
[14:39:28] <XXCoder1> no idea if that spidle is any good
[14:39:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: I don't care for the idea that I have to use that EXACT spindle mount.
[14:39:43] <XXCoder1> Jymmm: looks like it is removable
[14:39:58] <XXCoder1> I would need to since I plan to use edge router till I get good spidle
[14:40:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: doesnt look like tht in the other photos
[14:40:12] <XXCoder1> llooking
[14:40:22] <XXCoder1> hmm
[14:40:25] <XXCoder1> youre right
[14:40:30] <XXCoder1> kit shows one part
[14:40:42] <Jymmm> with bearings attached
[14:41:08] <Jymmm> and I dont' see any SIMPLEY way of retrofitting that short of tossing it on a mill
[14:41:26] <XXCoder1> lemme find one with spidle
[14:41:40] <XXCoder1> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3040-CNC-router-milling-machine-mechanical-kit-ball-screw/1906763005.html
[14:43:14] <dirty_d> damnit, solvespace is giving me naked edge problems with extrusions
[14:45:45] <XXCoder1> oh cool http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[14:45:49] <_methods> http://leewen.republicofdaydreams.com/ping-pong-go-round.html
[14:45:53] <XXCoder1> Jymmm: this one is more changable
[14:45:55] <_methods> super ping pong
[14:47:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Yeah, muchbetter in that respect.
[14:48:54] <furrywolf> MX port 2, chg 61.0A, pv 0.0A, batt 25.0V, pv 28.0V, daily 0.0kWh 9999.0Ah, aux 0, error 0x00, charger 2.
[14:49:01] <furrywolf> yay, sun! sun makes batteries happy.
[14:52:11] <Cromaglious_> XXCoder1: that's the frame I have
[14:52:59] <Cromaglious_> your first mode will be to lean the gantry back to get more Y on the table
[14:53:07] <Cromaglious_> s/mode/mod/
[15:06:49] <XXCoder1> Cromaglious_: hows quality
[15:07:27] <XXCoder1> Jymmm: thanks
[15:10:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: ?
[15:10:32] <XXCoder1> helping me by pointing flaws
[15:10:52] <Cromaglious_> quality is ok
[15:11:06] <XXCoder1> 0.001 in accuracy possible?
[15:11:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Ah, your welcome, just glad I caught it now.
[15:11:21] <Cromaglious_> yes
[15:11:33] <Cromaglious_> if you take little cuts
[15:11:33] <XXCoder1> that more than enough for me
[15:12:00] <Cromaglious_> 2mm rev screws
[15:13:35] <Cromaglious_> oh it's ball screw, mine isn't
[15:16:28] <Cromaglious_> hmm not sure how many mm per rev, looks to be 4.
[15:19:29] <XXCoder1> 1605
[15:19:35] <XXCoder1> guess its 5 mm per rev
[15:20:34] <Cromaglious_> I'm finding 3040 is just too small... 4060 would be alot nicer so you have a 12x18ish work area, using hold downs I'm limited to around 9"x14"
[15:20:38] <XXCoder1> basically first 2 digit is dimmeter and last 2 is revs
[15:21:06] <jdh> I have a 6040
[15:21:51] <XXCoder1> crom my ultimate plan is 5'x9' router so I can use 4x8 board plus clamps
[15:22:04] <Cromaglious_> what's usable on the 6040?
[15:22:10] <Cromaglious_> xx ditto here
[15:22:28] <XXCoder1> wonder if I can build larger cnc using smaller cnc machine
[15:23:38] <jdh> I think 6040 is the envelope
[15:23:54] <jdh> not sure I ever measured
[15:24:40] <XXCoder1> oh
[15:24:55] <XXCoder1> the other one with better spidle holder has 1204
[15:25:04] <XXCoder1> 12 mm with 4mm per rev
[15:25:13] <XXCoder1> weaker but more accurate?
[15:25:48] <XXCoder1> but then page discription says it has 1605
[15:26:10] <XXCoder1> "This item already be equiped NEW 1605 ball screws. Anti-blackflash,high precision,long life circle. "
[15:26:35] <Cromaglious_> You DO NOT want the one with the spindle
[15:26:51] <XXCoder1> I said better spidle holder :)
[15:26:52] <XXCoder1> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[15:26:54] <Cromaglious_> that's the one I have, you're stuck with 52mm spindles
[15:27:13] <Cromaglious_> the other one
[15:27:25] <XXCoder1> yeah thats what jym pointed out
[15:27:28] <XXCoder1> so I found this one
[15:27:32] <Cromaglious_> the 42mm spindle holder is fine... You can change the spindle holder
[15:27:40] <Cromaglious_> 43mm
[15:27:44] <XXCoder1> its spidele holder is removable
[15:28:02] <XXCoder1> yeah I need removable because I plan to use edge router
[15:28:51] <Cromaglious_> I'm still trying to figure out how to mod my spindle holder to be removeable
[15:29:05] <XXCoder1> well can always mill off that holder
[15:29:13] <XXCoder1> then add new bolt placements
[15:29:46] <XXCoder1> wont be easy
[15:30:16] <XXCoder1> or just mill everything besides rod bearing holders and design new spidle holder around it
[15:30:30] <XXCoder1> or just literally all new spidle holder
[15:30:45] <Cromaglious_> the oval behind the spindle is 13.8mm deep.I'm thinking I could almost cut it off by the carriage, and put a 3/8" dovetail there
[15:32:10] <XXCoder1> maybe dunno
[15:33:10] <Cromaglious_> you can't go wider than what there, or you look X
[15:33:13] <Cromaglious_> loose x
[15:33:20] <XXCoder1> lose?
[15:33:27] <Cromaglious_> lose X movement
[15:36:11] <XXCoder1> interesting http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Full-set-ER20-1-13mm-14pcs-collet-beating-0-1mm-precision-spring-collet-for-CNC-milling/512815_2029028151.html
[15:37:24] <XXCoder1> oh yeah I bought one of those http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6168341123.html?orderId=63169124795562
[15:37:27] <XXCoder1> small 10w one
[15:37:44] <XXCoder1> do I directly wire for 120w but I dont think it would work?
[15:39:37] <Cromaglious_> looks like you just wire it up and away you go
[15:39:44] <XXCoder1> "[Rated Voltage] 110V/220V"
[15:39:49] <XXCoder1> guess so
[15:48:23] <XXCoder1> I wish it dont take so damn long to ship stuff from china heh
[15:49:19] <Cromaglious_> epacket gets on plane, it's when it gets on the slow boat from china...
[15:49:51] <XXCoder1> I really want my walk/stop project parts to be here now
[15:49:59] <XXCoder1> so I can finally wire it up and see if it works
[17:06:47] <_methods> http://imgur.com/MpzsBqV,9YifMAN,A8XP9jt,7JKcGIm,4ny9yTG#4
[17:06:51] <_methods> well the sewing machine works
[17:07:01] <_methods> but it's painfully obvious that i suck at sewing
[17:08:01] <CaptHindsight> well if that is supposed to be a shirt :)
[17:08:08] <_methods> hahah
[17:09:18] <renesis> looks functional
[17:09:24] <renesis> would pay to have my pants hemmed
[17:09:40] <_methods> hahah you probably wouldn't want pants back
[17:09:53] <_methods> you'd end up with shorts by time i was done
[17:12:08] <CaptHindsight> or a two legged sack :)
[17:12:28] <CaptHindsight> I did that once
[17:12:35] <_methods> yeah it's got a clutch motor and i'm PRETTY bad at controlling it
[17:12:47] <MacGalempsy> hello
[17:13:16] <_methods> the machine runs at 3500 stitches per minute
[17:13:30] <_methods> and that's about 3499 more stitches per minute than i should ever be using
[17:14:55] <Deejay> gn8
[17:19:31] <MacGalempsy> knitting machine?
[17:21:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Got the VG today. added three drops, made a big change in the harshness.
[17:23:16] <CaptHindsight> more cnc knitting machines are needed
[17:23:36] <Jymmm> they're scarry
[17:23:45] <Jymmm> and fasinating
[17:23:50] <CaptHindsight> for thin carbon fiber to typical yarn thickness
[17:24:11] <Jymmm> you want to weave Cf ?
[17:24:29] <CaptHindsight> self assembling fibers would be another option
[17:24:36] <Jymmm> like crochet CF?
[17:24:42] <Cromaglious_> _methods: what kind of sewing machine did you get?
[17:24:59] <CaptHindsight> yes, weave and impregnate with resin
[17:25:25] <Jymmm> I hope you learn/know the math.
[17:25:30] <Cromaglious_> I finally fixed on of mine last night the Juki 5550, someone put the tension assembly in too far, so it would never then tension to even begin tightening
[17:26:08] <CaptHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2013/03/26/giving-a-cnc-knitting-machine-a-new-brain/ better versions of this
[17:26:50] <CaptHindsight> http://openknit.org/build/
[17:27:37] <CaptHindsight> I kin reckon and figure numbers
[17:28:17] <_methods> i got a singer 211w155 and a singer 291u3
[17:28:23] <_methods> got the 211 for $87 lol
[17:29:05] <_methods> and got the 291u3 for $174
[17:29:23] <_methods> i plan on keeping the 211 and i guess i'll sell the 291
[17:29:34] <_methods> i'm hoping i can get $400 for it
[17:29:45] <CaptHindsight> even "gazintas"
[17:30:47] <_methods> i know absolutely ZERO about sewing
[17:31:02] <_methods> quite the learning experience
[17:31:19] <Jymmm> Oh geeze, understatement.
[17:31:32] <Jymmm> Yu think gcode is hard... HA!
[17:31:40] <_methods> no kidding
[17:31:40] <Cromaglious_> Dude, it's engineering! in soft materials...
[17:31:48] <CaptHindsight> lots of addition and subtraction involved
[17:31:59] <CaptHindsight> like carpentry or framing
[17:32:35] <Cromaglious_> seam allowances are only important if you want a tight fit. other wise 1/4 variance isn't that noticable
[17:33:09] <_methods> i don't think i'll ever sew anything that looks good i just need it to be functional lol
[17:33:20] <_methods> handles, straps, covers things like that
[17:33:26] <CaptHindsight> try to draw the patterns by hand to make a cap
[17:33:39] <_methods> all i have is nylon webbing lol
[17:33:53] <Cromaglious_> capt: that's why there is French curves
[17:34:06] <Jymmm> _methods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL4HoVPHwzU
[17:34:30] <_methods> yeah cool
[17:34:36] <CaptHindsight> Cromaglious: like Bridget Bardot? :)
[17:34:38] <Cromaglious_> _methods: nylon webbing will get the needles hot.. Lube it up with bees wax..
[17:34:52] <Cromaglious_> Briget has some nice curves yep
[17:35:26] <_methods> i got bonded thread
[17:35:34] <Cromaglious_> For high speed nylon sewing you really want teflon coated needles
[17:35:36] <Jymmm> _methods: what do you mean "nice"?! You couldn't have evnewatched that video in full yet
[17:35:51] <_methods> i skipped to where it was doing crazy needle stuff
[17:36:01] <Jymmm> Yeah, NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:36:37] <Cromaglious_> they really need to put a belt drive and servo on the thing... get rid of moving the shuttle by hand
[17:36:38] <_methods> freakin crazy needle machine gun
[17:37:31] <Jymmm> _methods: It's not that as much as a single threases and builting up on the artwork. the material, the stitches that are needed.
[17:38:15] <_methods> i ordered groz beckert or something like that needles?
[17:38:25] <Jymmm> You dont just stop/start as you please, it has to be contonous
[17:38:40] <_methods> hehehhe
[17:38:45] <_methods> youtube purist
[17:39:06] <Jymmm> No I mean the thread
[17:39:23] <_methods> oh lol
[17:39:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrGi4rwYHUg this one looks a bit more sturdy
[17:39:44] <_methods> i already told you i know ZERO about sewing
[17:39:45] <Jymmm> Once you start a stitch, you dont stop, then start someplace else.
[17:40:04] <Jymmm> you dont' rethreaded the needle.
[17:40:55] <CaptHindsight> ^^ would be good for carbon fiber
[17:41:18] <Jymmm> if you want something flat
[17:41:41] <Jymmm> but then you dont have a weave, just pattern
[17:41:42] <_methods> man those embroidery machines are nuts
[17:41:55] <Jymmm> and that video is SLOW
[17:42:10] <Jymmm> that's not a professional embroidery machine
[17:42:20] <Jymmm> it's slow as hell
[17:42:47] <_methods> way beyond my pay grade
[17:43:27] <andypugh> literally “spindle” synchrnonised motion.
[17:47:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAULzH8eWFc 80K stitches in <2hrs
[17:47:48] <CaptHindsight> ~6 months work by hand
[17:52:39] <SpeedEvil> holy crap
[17:54:43] <andypugh> Now look at http://medieval.webcon.net.au/extant_syon_cope.html
[17:55:07] <andypugh> Which was doen by hand in 1320
[17:57:41] <maZer`-> hi all
[17:58:02] <maZer`-> if i have a condition on beginning of a gcode file with o101 if ..... o101 endif
[17:58:13] <maZer`-> can i call it again anywhere in the same gcode file with o101 call?
[17:58:19] <CaptHindsight> they sure don't make em like they used to
[17:58:20] <andypugh> No
[17:58:24] <cradek> no, you can only call a sub
[17:59:47] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: might interest you http://carbon3d.com/
[18:00:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150317-carbon3d-introduces-breakthrough-clip-technology-for-layerless-3d-printing.html
[18:00:20] <andypugh> You could O101 IF … O201 CALL … O101 ENDIF
[18:02:26] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Definitely a clever way to stop the part sticking to the bottom of the tank. But despite their claims it is still a layer-by-layer process
[18:15:55] -weber.freenode.net:#linuxcnc- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[19:42:29] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/shoptask02.jpg I should take a newer picture... it's now cnc and cleaner.
[19:42:43] <furrywolf> bbl, time to head off to work
[19:42:50] <dirty_d> nevermind, i was looking at soemthing else
[19:45:24] <Jymmm> furrywolf: it's 85 miles long, I'm sure there is no sunlight in some areas =)
[19:45:31] <tjtr33> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_lcncmap hey this used to have pix of our machines.
[19:52:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.electro-tech-online.com/imgcache/476-66920250-f183dabf91562248a03aec578efeb17d.4b7c80d7-scaled.jpg
[19:53:18] <Jymmm> that's pretty close to what I have.
[20:08:23] <Cromaglious_> Jymmm: what is that circuit for?
[21:45:39] <Jymmm> You've heard the old saying...
"It's hot enough to fry an egg on the sidewalk"
[21:45:39] <Jymmm> Well...
How about scramble an egg on a flashlight:
[21:45:39] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIHyRyETKg
[21:48:14] <renesis> need to cover it and add water so the tops cook before the yolk hardens
[21:48:35] <renesis> ew scrambled wtf
[21:48:50] <renesis> hes mixing it too much
[21:48:53] <renesis> this guy cant cook
[21:50:11] <Jymmm> lmao
[21:50:36] <renesis> haha, top comment agrees
[21:52:13] <furrywolf> just pulled the load binder out of the electrolysis bucket to see how it looks... it's definitely progressing, not done yet. it was doing very little bubbling. I replaced the solution, and it's still not doing much bubbling. I think my charger might suck, but there's too many mosquitos out now to take a meter to it.
[21:53:23] <furrywolf> Jymmm: what's with the backwards led? heh
[22:09:52] <Jymmm> Dumbasses http://abc11.com/education/school-suspends-boy-for-possession-of-a-leaf/561813/
[22:19:02] <furrywolf> sounds about typical.
[22:24:35] <LeelooMinai> "under the school board's anti-drug policies, it may not matter whether the leaf was marijuana or not"... lol
[22:26:21] <furrywolf> that's typical too. many of those policies only require someone to believe something, rather than any actual evidence.
[22:28:37] <LeelooMinai> " they mistakenly thought to be marijuana in his backpack" ... So who believed that, the boy or them?
[22:28:54] <furrywolf> and most of them are set up so the school is right by default, and you don't get to argue.
[22:30:40] <LeelooMinai> I guess I should not seek any logic in news articles
[22:30:48] <LeelooMinai> "A Japanese maple leaf, thought to resemble a cannabis leaf. " ... lol @ thought of
[22:31:36] <furrywolf> hopefully they end up with a sane judge, who awards substantial damages.
[22:40:05] <furrywolf> if that happens, the school will, of course, write up a press release about how the child-hating judge is trying to prevent the hard-working administration from being able to keep the school safe...
[22:44:35] <MarkusBec> PCW: pcw_home is it possible to use .write_gpio in a faster thread with the mesa 7i92?
[22:45:02] <pcw_home> No
[22:45:37] <MarkusBec> is there any workaround?
[22:46:01] <MarkusBec> running write in a faster thread?
[22:46:07] <MarkusBec> and tune all parameters?
[22:46:10] <pcw_home> a base thread is typically never needed for mesa interfaces
[22:46:36] <pcw_home> what are you trying to do?
[22:46:59] <MarkusBec> https://github.com/bjj/2x_laser/tree/5i25
[22:47:11] <MarkusBec> modulating a laser for laserengraving
[22:47:55] <MarkusBec> with the 5i25 it use write_gpio for fast update
[22:49:31] <pcw_home> why not use PWM?
[22:51:46] <MarkusBec> pwm is used to set the power
[22:52:45] <MarkusBec> and a compare of the position-fb and a table generats the dots for raster engraving
[22:52:51] <pcw_home> using GPIO and a base thread is a somewhat odd way to do PWM if you have a hardware PWM generator
[22:53:20] <MarkusBec> HW pwm is used for the laser power
[22:54:30] <furrywolf> PCW: I think he's trying to write actual data quickly, not just repetitive pwm.
[22:54:45] <MarkusBec> yes
[22:59:45] <MarkusBec> https://twitter.com/markusbec/status/578037667239239681
[23:00:06] <MarkusBec> https://twitter.com/MarkusBec/status/578037744779313152/photo/1
[23:06:17] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: any idea how to solve this
[23:06:29] <pcw_home> as far as i can tell the pulse only occurs at the servo thread rate
[23:08:04] <MarkusBec> and there is no way with the 7i92 to write faster to the gpios?
[23:08:13] <pcw_home> no
[23:08:50] <pcw_home> well it can write at 200 MHz or so with the correct module
[23:09:39] <pcw_home> and hardware gear it to the stepgen
[23:09:51] <furrywolf> grrrr. just broke a CFL.
[23:11:31] <furrywolf> I broke the cfl removing it to put an LED bulb in its place. I will be glad when I have no more cfls.
[23:13:16] <MarkusBec> it think stepgenn will be the best fit without coding a module for the fpga
[23:13:20] <pcw_home> so FPGA module:
[23:13:22] <pcw_home> hardware position (encoder or stepgen) --> rate multiplier --> clock out raster data FIFO --> Oneshot --> laser
[23:16:26] <MarkusBec> hmm
[23:16:33] <pcw_home> plus raster start/stop comparators. misc logic
[23:17:37] <pcw_home> basically a painting module
[23:19:22] * furrywolf wonders if pcw is volunteering to write this. :)
[23:20:35] <pcw_home> Ive considered it for someone wanting a laser plotter engine replacement
[23:21:06] <pcw_home> and for inkjet applications
[23:21:25] <furrywolf> I bought an LED bulb on ebay, ordered warm white, got cool white... the seller asked me for a photo to prove I got cool white. http://fw.bushytails.net/LED%20Filament%20Bulbs%2001.jpg if anyone wants to see what LED Filament Bulbs look like.
[23:24:23] <pcw_home> seems like the LEDS would run pretty hot
[23:24:49] <pcw_home> (no heatsink helium filled?)
[23:25:19] <furrywolf> I saw a mention once they might be inert gas filled, but it sounded like speculation rather than proof.
[23:25:48] <Jymmm> Nice comparison photo
[23:25:52] <pcw_home> hydrogen or helium would get the heat out to the bulb better
[23:26:10] <Jymmm> pcw_home: how's that?
[23:26:22] <furrywolf> they're very cute... the camera doesn't show it well, but the warm white one is very warm, and a surprisingly good recreation of the antique low-temp bulbs.
[23:26:24] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: is ther a sample configuration available
[23:26:36] <pcw_home> for 7i92?
[23:26:48] <MarkusBec> or any other mesa
[23:26:59] <Jymmm> furrywolf: how much?
[23:27:19] <furrywolf> Jymmm: $6.something for the 6 watt, $8.something for the 8 watt.
[23:27:28] <furrywolf> they jump up to $20 for a 10w, so didn't get one. heh.
[23:27:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: anything smaller than 6w?
[23:28:26] <furrywolf> yes, I saw 2w and 4w for sale too.
[23:28:27] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, you been thinking about the rotary table?
[23:28:32] <furrywolf> I want useful amounts of light, however. :P
[23:28:36] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: not since earlier
[23:28:43] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I need that "low temp" glow look. I tried reducing voltage on some 12v automotivebulbs but WAY TOO HOT
[23:29:08] <Cromaglious> I was asking are the lightening holes in line with the lugs or offset 36 degrees?
[23:29:49] <furrywolf> Jymmm: these won't run off 12V without an inverter.
[23:30:11] <furrywolf> the led "filaments" are 75v working voltage, so it'd take more than trying to bypass the driver. heh.
[23:30:31] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: for engraving or was it only a draft?
[23:30:55] <pcw_home> plate exposure
[23:31:23] <furrywolf> Jymmm: do you want candle-style or globe-style?
[23:31:29] <pcw_home> (MHz modulation rates)
[23:32:03] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2W-4W-110V-220V-E14-E27-LED-Vintage-Filament-Lamp-Warm-White-Light-Candle-Bulb-/131417337154 has several candle-style
[23:33:08] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Led-Lamp-Tungsten-Filament-Globe-Bulb-110V-220V-COB-110V-220V-2W-4W-E27-E14-/201260347308 more
[23:33:50] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: is this hal configuration available as a example?
[23:33:50] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I actually don't need it to be LED, just would be nice for the low voltage aspects. Even an car tail light bulb would be fine. I just want that "glow" about it, not really for lighting purposes.
[23:34:25] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Retro-Edison-E27-Bright-110V-Screw-LED-Filament-Office-Light-Bulb-ST64-/261752297202 you can get that shape too
[23:34:48] <pcw_home> not sure what you are asking, sample mesa configs have been provided with linuxcnc since ~2006
[23:35:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I like the shape in your pic.
[23:35:36] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I hate edison, that bastard
[23:36:01] <furrywolf> you can get them down to 2W, and you can buy the LED elements not in a bulb... but you'll need to rig up a little inverter to power them.
[23:36:36] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1W-COB-LED-Filament-Light-Source-for-LED-Bulb-Globe-Candle-Light-Warm-White-DF-/331410418772 just the emitters
[23:37:07] <pcw_home> looks like helium has about 6 times the thermal conductivity of air (hydrogen is a bit better)
[23:37:12] <furrywolf> Voltage: DC 50-60V/15mA that's the part that makes them hard to use for low-voltage purposes
[23:37:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[23:38:13] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Hmmm, the VOBs aren't current driven like most leds?
[23:38:18] <Jymmm> COBs
[23:38:37] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1W-COB-LED-Filament-Light-Source-LED-Bulb-Globe-Candle-Light-Pure-Warm-White-DIY-/131381416913 those look more like the ones in the lamps I have
[23:38:57] <furrywolf> they're current-driven, but they still take a certain voltage to work.
[23:39:04] <pcw_home> the high speed laser modulator is not something supported by linuxcnc (needs DMA etc)
[23:39:19] <furrywolf> I'd guess that at 50-60V, there's 15ish dies in series in each module
[23:40:10] <furrywolf> if you buy them, note that there's a huge color difference between the warm white and cool white emitters. the phosphor is light yellow on the cool white, and dark orange on the warm white.
[23:40:44] <MarkusBec> pcw_home: you sad something about laser plotter engine replacement you considered about, was it just a idear/draft or is there any sample configuration/hal available
[23:40:44] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/7i92step.zip is an example step/dir config file set for the 7I92
[23:41:00] <pcw_home> its not a linuxcnc thing
[23:41:08] <MarkusBec> ah ok
[23:41:11] <pcw_home> (laser modulator)
[23:41:59] <pcw_home> but a slower one could be made for linuxcnc
[23:42:10] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yeah, no wories there. I'd rather have a incadesent bulb, but when I put 6v to a 12v bulb it gets REAL hot
[23:42:34] <furrywolf> it's still cooler than if you run it off 12V.
[23:42:51] <Jymmm> furrywolf: burned my finger
[23:43:00] <MarkusBec> do you think its possible only with existing fpga moduls
[23:43:03] <furrywolf> have you forgotten that incandescent bulbs work by heating the filiament until it glows white hot? :)
[23:43:04] <MarkusBec> like stepgen
[23:43:24] <Jymmm> furrywolf: thus why I kept stepping the voltage down down down
[23:43:59] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I need to find a 12V nightlught
[23:44:41] <Jymmm> Hmmm, maybe those old gauge cluster bulbs
[23:45:01] <furrywolf> what're you building, anyway?
[23:45:27] <Jymmm> furrywolf: just an art project. I want the glow of the element showing
[23:46:06] <Jymmm> I could do 10VAC, just rther not is all
[23:46:12] <Jymmm> 110VAC
[23:47:03] <furrywolf> how about a random glass vacuum tube, and 6.3vac? :)
[23:47:13] <furrywolf> if retro is the goal...
[23:47:38] <Jymmm> 6.3v for the heating element?
[23:47:46] <furrywolf> yes
[23:48:00] <Jymmm> could be DC too, right?
[23:48:20] <furrywolf> yes
[23:49:11] <Jymmm> is 6.3 the required operating voltage, as in what makes tubes HOT ?
[23:49:25] <Jymmm> or is that the grid voltage that makes them hot?
[23:49:51] <furrywolf> 6.3vac is the standard filament voltage, why I do not know...
[23:50:19] <Jymmm> furrywolf: The problem have is I can't have THAT much heat that it would be a burn/fire hazerd
[23:51:01] <furrywolf> how about a white led and an orange gel? heh
[23:51:14] <furrywolf> (gel of the color variety, not the squishy variety)
[23:51:23] <Jymmm> lol
[23:51:56] <Jymmm> I like the tube idea though, but I think it be the same thing as a lightbulb
[23:52:02] <Jymmm> heat wise
[23:52:36] <furrywolf> they'll feel a lot cooler, due to the large glass area relative to the wattage.
[23:52:59] <Jymmm> yeah, it might work, still give that retro feel
[23:53:07] <Jymmm> ty for the idea
[23:53:52] * furrywolf still has no idea what this art project is
[23:54:53] <Jymmm> That makes two of us actually. Just outting some randoms thoughts together and see what comes out the other end.
[23:55:02] <Jymmm> putting*
[23:55:37] <furrywolf> lol
[23:56:42] <Jymmm> That's why it's called art ;)
[23:57:26] <Jymmm> Ya put shit together, slap on an insane price tag, and you have art !!!
[23:59:12] <furrywolf> get a pile of those led filaments, some glass blowing supplies, and make yourself a giant warm-white light bulb with a whole bunch of zigzagging filaments, like really old ones...