#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-03-01

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[00:00:15] <XXCoder> dark energy camera acciently took picture of comet lovejoy
[00:00:52] <zeeshan> lol im going through asa hammond's speed shifter
[00:00:55] <zeeshan> and laughing at his comment:
[00:01:01] <zeeshan> h.newpin("cmdspnspeed", hal.HAL_FLOAT, hal.HAL_IN) # spindle command from emc - hooked to motion.spindle-speed-cmd-rps - unmolested spindle command
[00:01:03] <zeeshan> "unmolested"
[00:01:04] <zeeshan> hahaha
[00:03:42] <MacGalempsy> guys - question. so I am running field power into the 7i77. when I test the voltage on the leads its 24v
[00:03:58] <MacGalempsy> when I plug the 24v into the card, it comes back at 1.2v
[00:04:09] <MacGalempsy> not 24v. any possible solutions?
[00:04:21] <zeeshan> are you feeding to the field power connector
[00:04:22] <zeeshan> orrange one?
[00:04:41] <MacGalempsy> mine is not orange
[00:04:50] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: tb2
[00:05:12] <zeeshan> youve got pin#5 with 24vdc
[00:05:16] <zeeshan> and pin 8
[00:05:21] <zeeshan> with ground to supply?
[00:05:49] <MacGalempsy> I have +24v to tb2 - 0 and ground to tb2 7
[00:06:31] <MacGalempsy> oh, 1 and 8
[00:06:33] <zeeshan> okay
[00:06:45] <zeeshan> do you have anything connected to pin #5?
[00:06:51] <MacGalempsy> nothing
[00:06:54] <zeeshan> then it wont work
[00:06:58] <zeeshan> are you planning to run 24vdc
[00:07:02] <zeeshan> to all your field i/o ?
[00:07:26] <MacGalempsy> let me try 5
[00:07:31] <zeeshan> you need
[00:07:32] <zeeshan> to jumper w1
[00:07:34] <zeeshan> to the left
[00:07:43] <zeeshan> if youre planning to provide power
[00:07:45] <zeeshan> from pin 5
[00:07:48] <zeeshan> to 1 2 3 4
[00:08:10] <MacGalempsy> if the jumper is in place then why would it matter if it is in 1 or 5?
[00:08:20] <zeeshan> who knows
[00:08:21] <zeeshan> there might be a diode
[00:08:29] <zeeshan> that doesnt let you reverse the current
[00:08:30] <zeeshan> :P
[00:08:32] <zeeshan> or something
[00:18:12] <MacGalempsy> this is strange. W1 is to the left. I run 24v+ from the PSU to pin 5, run the common from the PSU to pin 8.
[00:18:53] <MacGalempsy> when I test the leads from the PSU I get 24v. when I plug them into the 7i77 I test them again and it shows 1.4v
[00:19:12] <zeeshan> where are you probing
[00:19:14] <zeeshan> on the 7i77
[00:19:30] <MacGalempsy> on the screw heads of the termials connectors
[00:19:41] <zeeshan> that is really weird
[00:20:17] <zeeshan> even if you measure
[00:20:19] <zeeshan> from pin 1
[00:20:22] <zeeshan> to ground?
[00:20:33] <MacGalempsy> let me try that
[00:23:24] <MacGalempsy> I have another 24v power supply. Let me try that
[00:26:02] <MacGalempsy> crap. I think the PSU is bad...
[00:26:38] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if it could be the quick connects I used to exend the wires
[00:27:12] <MacGalempsy> yep! one just fell off....
[00:28:00] <bobo_> MacGalempsy ever look at mpjacom ?
[00:28:17] <zeeshan> bobo_:
[00:28:19] <bobo_> mpja.com
[00:28:23] <zeeshan> this speed selector
[00:28:30] <zeeshan> looks like a pain in the ass
[00:28:46] <bobo_> hay zeesham
[00:29:03] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: never seen that
[00:30:12] <MacGalempsy> will check it out dang, time flies when you have a headache!
[00:31:34] <bobo_> headace ---pain in the ass = bobo on your side
[00:32:09] <XXCoder> recreating my cnc router model in solvespace
[00:32:24] <XXCoder> its going pretty lot faster than freecad was
[00:32:44] <XXCoder> for one it allows me to exactly define part size
[00:33:04] <XXCoder> sketchup was "fun" :P
[00:37:53] <XXCoder> dammit
[00:38:00] <XXCoder> solvespace is still too new
[00:38:05] <XXCoder> no help lol
[00:38:35] <MacGalempsy> guys, tonight I have been watching a $500k trainwreck happen at 10fph.
[00:38:51] <XXCoder> 10 feet per hour?
[00:38:53] <XXCoder> amn slow
[00:38:58] <bobo_> MacGalempsy check out www.dialog5.com Wesselys Project----where in he rough built the electronics on plywood---also his AC soft start an DC buss for the VFD
[00:39:02] <XXCoder> for a train anyway
[00:39:09] <MacGalempsy> yeah, thats how fast they drill oil and gas wells. lol
[00:39:16] <MacGalempsy> at least on this shitty one
[00:41:48] <bobo_> so 3 or 4 hour per pipe length ?
[00:44:26] <MacGalempsy> depends if they are sliding or rotating the pipe
[00:44:40] <MacGalempsy> slides are at like 10fph, rotates are faster.
[00:44:55] <MacGalempsy> one pipe iis called a joint, three pipes is called a stand
[00:45:43] <MacGalempsy> The oilfield is every junkie's dream. Joints come in 30' lengths, Dope comes in 5 gallon buckest, and every rig has a pusher :)
[00:45:52] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Laser-Digital-Photo-Tachometer-Non-Contact-RPM-Tach-Tester-RPM-Motor-/291321904462?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d4237d4e
[00:45:54] <zeeshan> i wonder if this a pos
[00:46:28] <MacGalempsy> interesting concept
[00:46:29] <XXCoder> I bet scrap metal junkyard is nice too
[00:46:40] <XXCoder> lots stuff can buy then process into something useful.
[00:47:05] <MacGalempsy> for $12 and 99cents shipping it would be worth a gamble, aye?
[00:47:11] <zeeshan> haha yea
[00:47:25] <zeeshan> it takes forever to get from china though
[00:47:25] <zeeshan> :(
[00:47:41] <MacGalempsy> yeah. like 30 days...
[00:47:59] <XXCoder> which feel like 30 months
[00:48:13] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-LCD-Laser-Photo-Tachometer-Non-Contact-RPM-Meter-Measuring-Device-Tool-/381173418520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item58bfb4ca18
[00:48:15] <zeeshan> this one is in canada
[00:48:16] <zeeshan> hm
[00:48:17] <XXCoder> its worse when they dont ship for days
[00:48:36] <MacGalempsy> when you get it, you're like why did I order this?
[00:48:42] <zeeshan> lol
[00:49:42] <bobo_> doesnt Harbor F have a photo tach ?
[00:49:50] <zeeshan> dont have a hf here
[00:49:53] <zeeshan> i have a wheel kind
[00:49:56] <zeeshan> and starrett
[00:50:10] <zeeshan> not the most accurate :/
[00:50:49] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neiko-Professional-Digital-Laser-Photo-Non-Contact-Tachometer-/151229721436?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2335fe6b5c&vxp=mtr
[00:50:52] <zeeshan> another style
[00:51:01] <bobo_> starrett and need a clock type ?
[00:51:03] <zeeshan> looks exact same
[00:51:20] <zeeshan> i want a laser one
[00:53:32] <bobo_> zeeshan that FEA of the pull stud looked interesting . wonder what a FEA of the fingers would be ?
[00:53:56] <zeeshan> bobo_: very intricate
[00:53:58] <zeeshan> :)
[00:54:14] <bobo_> ha yes
[01:20:52] <bobo_> zeeshan i saw on y-tube a mahh3 conversion on a deckel fp4 ---- it didnt sound nice when shifting at all ----- i expected the trans to come the side of Y axis ram
[01:21:07] <zeeshan> lol
[01:21:22] <zeeshan> i think il be okay without shifting for a while
[01:21:25] <zeeshan> its just nice to have
[01:21:45] <zeeshan> i honestly would like the ability to go in and out of backgear
[01:21:47] <zeeshan> that is all
[01:21:51] <zeeshan> like mainly for tapping
[01:23:07] <bobo_> they werent osc the trans input shaft------and was shifting at too fast a speed
[01:23:51] <zeeshan> is it supposed to shif
[01:23:54] <zeeshan> while the motor is running?
[01:24:15] <bobo_> yes
[01:24:27] <zeeshan> i noticed in asa's program
[01:24:34] <zeeshan> that back gear has a neutral position
[01:24:43] <bobo_> yes
[01:26:15] <bobo_> the motor has 2 speed via delta / Y
[01:26:38] <zeeshan> so there are 36 speeds total?
[01:26:47] <zeeshan> 2 positions back gear
[01:26:56] <zeeshan> 3 positions middle gear, 3 positions input gear
[01:27:02] <zeeshan> 2*3*3 * 2
[01:27:10] <bobo_> just the elect motor
[01:29:23] <bobo_> shifting was Y connection and between motor and elect a resistor / phase switched in
[01:30:03] <zeeshan> ah
[01:30:14] <bobo_> this gave weaker motor drive
[01:31:15] <bobo_> also timer switched reverse to forward = osc
[01:37:07] <MacGalempsy> alright. we are back up and running!
[01:37:17] <bobo_> trans shift motors had cams driving micro-switches and also moved the gears------- system had timer to halt operation if shift was not completed in time
[01:39:06] <bobo_> running ? oil drilling or you are having your way with thet poor mill again !
[01:39:42] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: on the 7i77, the CR15 is flashing. do you know that indicates?
[01:40:26] <zeeshan> means your field i/o is working
[01:40:28] <bobo_> volt too high ?
[01:40:28] <zeeshan> :)
[01:41:33] <MacGalempsy> ok. I figured it would just be on, not flashing
[01:44:02] <Flipp_> anyone here do avr programming by any chance?
[01:45:09] <renesis> http://i.imgur.com/LTdoqYD.jpg
[01:45:10] <MacGalempsy> this spartacus show is fantastic
[01:45:53] <MacGalempsy> ouch
[01:47:31] <renesis> flipp_: mostly in asm
[01:47:48] <renesis> ive never touched an arduino
[01:48:12] <bobo_> spartacus show ? Well loging ? cnc wiring ? yep there is going to be a train wreck
[01:49:59] <MacGalempsy> if you need arduino help, the #reprap channel is full of those guys
[01:50:10] <Flipp_> renesis: np, just curious if anyone knows why changing the BOOTRST bit in the hfuse to 1 (i.e. reset at 0x00000) somehow manages to make it back into my bootloader...?
[01:50:47] <renesis> reset vector points at your bootloader code
[01:51:14] <Flipp_> if it's set to 1 though, shouldn't it skip the bootloader and head straight to main@0x0000
[01:51:33] <Flipp_> I know mixing BOOTSZ0/1 changes the location of the bootloader
[01:51:52] <renesis> setting it to 1 jumps to 0x00000 at reset?
[01:52:54] <renesis> anyway, i didnt do very much c, if its hitting your bootloader at reset, and you set it to use the reset vector, it means the reset vector isnt pointing to main
[01:53:37] <renesis> stuff like this is why i usually just asm'd it
[01:54:49] <Flipp_> ok, np
[01:54:52] <Flipp_> thanks for the help :)
[01:54:59] <renesis> and i doubt itll go straight to main() anyway, since itll want to setup mem stacks first
[01:55:23] <Flipp_> yeah, the .init0-.init9 sections are set up to do that in my bootloader
[01:55:54] <renesis> toolchain has similar code somewhere
[02:04:45] <adam3999> Anyone having parallel port input issues with the 2.6 live ISO? I just confirmed my J1900 motherboard (asrock Q1900M) has working parport0 inputs by booting Ubuntu 14.04. No joy with the wheezy live ISO, though
[02:07:39] <bobo_> thought PCW was saying something about it ,earler today .
[02:08:26] <archivist> adam3999, people have been testing in the #linuxcnc-devel channel
[02:08:45] <archivist> is response to the problem
[02:08:47] <archivist> in
[02:09:41] <adam3999> Ah ok installing a 2.7 dev build was my next step
[02:09:49] <adam3999> I'll check out the developer channel thanks
[02:10:15] <archivist> that has a few logs you can read back on
[02:11:43] <adam3999> Logs from the IRC channel or the 2.6 repo?
[02:11:49] <adam3999> 2.7
[02:12:11] <archivist> from the irc channel
[02:12:27] <adam3999> Gotcha. Thanks.
[02:12:28] <archivist> pcw and others were looking at it
[02:12:46] <adam3999> Yeah I had some good discussion with pcw and another user last night
[02:27:02] <Deejay> moin
[02:29:30] <miss0r> mornin'
[02:30:34] <bobo_> morning Deejay
[02:30:50] <Deejay> \o/
[03:07:00] <miss0r> dear lord. In #windows they are flaming people 'cause of what IRC client they are using. I just pointed out that I am on mIRC when windows'ing and on BitchX while on linux. And I got hammered for not having music plugins :)
[03:07:30] <miss0r> apparently irc clients should also be compatable with 8-bit music :)
[03:08:32] <MacGalempsy> hi Deejay
[03:09:02] <Deejay> hey MacGalempsy
[03:09:09] <MacGalempsy> staying warm today?
[03:12:16] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you here?
[03:13:53] <miss0r> I am realy having some issues with my power lately. I am seriously considering putting an UPS in front of this desktop mill. do any of you have experience with that?
[03:15:21] <archivist> not aware of any who have used ups on a machine
[03:16:11] <archivist> going to need huge batteries for typical machining time
[03:16:20] <miss0r> Well. I shall be the pionere here. I haven't had issues with my electricity for the 3 years i've loved here - not the electricity is sort of 'lumpy' :)
[03:16:45] <miss0r> archivist: I was thinking more along the lines of just a safe power down procedure
[03:16:54] <archivist> lumpy,? brown outs
[03:17:26] <miss0r> hehehe something like that. I had a power outage yesterday - 10 seconds or so
[03:17:55] <archivist> brown out is the term here for short term
[03:19:03] <miss0r> oh. I was thinking more in the lavatory section. lumpy and the color brown sort of made me do it ;)
[03:19:37] <miss0r> but yeah - brown outs
[03:21:26] <archivist> some local power lines have self resetting fuses which if running close to limits or hit by lightening can give trouble
[03:22:02] <miss0r> yeah, not in denmark :)
[03:22:58] <miss0r> Here theres only real fuses. and the lumps are caused by tree branches hitting the power lines. They are digging them all down at the moment. but it will take another 6 months before they are done (I'm an electrician)
[03:23:01] <archivist> else you get the non resetting ones and a day out
[03:24:34] <miss0r> most of the power faliures are due to the work being done by our power company (changing the air wires to cables in the ground) that causes some issues once in a while
[03:25:19] <archivist> I think that 10 secs points to an automatic reset http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recloser
[03:26:05] <archivist> we are mostly underground in the UK except for the HV grid between areas
[03:26:14] <zeeshan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine#mediaviewer/File:I.n.s._dolfin-03.JPG
[03:26:17] <zeeshan> boy is that sexy.
[03:26:32] <archivist> and local wire to farms and remote stuff
[03:27:00] <miss0r> You might be right about the recloser ;) And the same goes for Denmark, mostly dug into the ground. But I live somewhat in the middle of nowehere - not exactly the first place they dig down the cables
[03:27:39] <archivist> yes remote telegraph pole distribution
[03:28:00] <miss0r> indeed.
[03:28:23] <archivist> UPS is ok for that situation I think
[03:29:14] <miss0r> In my basement I have an APC 3000 and a APC 5000 standing around doing no damn good. I could take one of them. it might need new batteries thou
[03:30:12] <archivist> I ran one for a year or two on my webserver till the batteries died
[03:31:27] <miss0r> I used to have a laptop as a webserver :) nice with build-in UPS. I had to replace it when the CPU staggered around in the 99-100% usage at all times.
[03:31:33] <archivist> these days the psu in the server deals with 2-3 sec drop outs
[03:32:09] <miss0r> thats pretty clever
[03:32:21] <archivist> any longer and tough it stops
[03:33:13] <archivist> funny how lamps fail and the microwave clock resets and the server does not blink
[03:34:23] <miss0r> yeah. "back in the AT days" I had a pc with a flip-switch directly on the mains. I could flit that on and off without accexting the PC if I were fast enough :)
[03:35:00] <miss0r> Then I decided to install packman instead of just playing with the switch instead.
[03:37:26] <miss0r> I friend of mine was over earlier, with a box of brand-spanking-new carbide drills. 10 in all. Apparently the company he works for did not use that particular brand anymore, so they just discarded what they had left. They have too much money!
[03:37:57] <MacGalempsy> why would someone want to switch between torque mode and "personal EEPROM" on a VFD?
[03:38:03] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: I can unplug, and replug my server into a different outlet, and have it not reboot.
[03:38:10] <SpeedEvil> Though that is if I chat, and suspend it
[03:39:03] <miss0r> You need some pretty fast fands, right?
[03:39:18] <archivist> MacGalempsy, I suppose it depends on the type of load on the motor
[03:39:48] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: ~5s
[03:40:06] <miss0r> impressive
[03:40:40] <MacGalempsy> when would one prefer torque mode over velocity mode?
[03:41:58] <bobo_> extruder drive
[03:42:37] <archivist> constant force v constant speed
[03:43:44] <archivist> a spindle should keep the speed constant
[03:44:28] <MacGalempsy> it is strange then that the selectable input on this vfd would have a toggle switch between the two
[03:52:19] <bobo_> Bebl
[07:35:02] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCIAKY-Electron-Beam-Welder-EBW-Model-VX-3-68x68x84-NEW-CNC-Control-REFURBISHED-/251486125761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8dbdbec1
[08:20:51] <archivist> rather too expensive for me
[09:11:37] <SpeedEvil> Also a bit large.
[09:15:32] <archivist> minor problem http://www.collection.archivist.info/Dads_Shed.JPG
[09:19:06] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:19:19] <SpeedEvil> I hear NASA want to get rid of the VAB
[09:31:06] <CaptHindsight> oh no the Apple watch is supposed to replace car keys!
[09:32:27] <syyl_ws> "sorry boss, i am lathe, after the new software update my apple watch didnt start my car anymore"
[09:32:35] <syyl_ws> *late
[09:32:49] <CaptHindsight> so now you'll wear a tracking device vs just carry it in your pocket
[09:33:33] <syyl_ws> I tied my smartphone to a pigeon
[09:33:37] <syyl_ws> track that, NSA!
[09:33:46] <CaptHindsight> the cat phone
[09:34:00] <syyl_ws> :D :D :D
[09:38:42] <furrywolf> project for today is spray-foaming all the gaps around the windows on the porch.... but waiting until they're not covered in frost is probably a good idea.
[09:40:14] <furrywolf> which gives me a perfectly good excuse to not go out in the cold for a while. :)
[09:40:17] <syyl_ws> frost? we had 9deg, and a nice sunny day :D
[09:40:54] <furrywolf> here is ~30F... just frost.
[09:41:02] <syyl_ws> oh
[09:41:06] <syyl_ws> 9deg C of course :D
[09:45:16] <furrywolf> I still need a good CAD/CAM program... I need to do something simple, and cut some sheet metal to shape. freecad is too buggy to use, and doesn't seem to have cam. suggestions?
[09:45:26] <XXCoder> furrywolf: solvespace
[09:45:36] <XXCoder> its both cad and cam, 2d
[09:46:09] <XXCoder> been building my cnc machine in solvespace, and once you have done tutorials it's easier and easier
[09:46:29] <furrywolf> I thought we decided it needed a 3d video card to run?
[09:46:57] <XXCoder> oh never said anything about 3d video card myself. it may need it, dunno
[09:47:44] <XXCoder> its just single program file so easy enough to just download and run
[09:47:50] <XXCoder> no installer no nothing
[09:48:23] <furrywolf> I thought it took a couple hours of trying to get right -dev lib versions that a broken autoconf doesn't notice? :)
[09:48:50] <XXCoder> windows version work just fine. wonder if wine works fine with t
[09:51:11] <furrywolf> " I agree to the terms of service and will adhere to them unconditionally." lol
[09:51:24] <furrywolf> seems Shopmaster wants to be even clearer...
[09:52:20] <furrywolf> "You may not create a link to this website from another website or document without SHOPMASTER’S prior written consent." LOL
[09:52:33] <XXCoder> jeez
[09:52:48] <XXCoder> thats just ricious
[09:53:52] * furrywolf waits for them to sue google
[09:54:10] <XXCoder> I think someone acually did same limit and sued google
[09:54:20] <XXCoder> cant recall more details... lemme google. lol
[09:56:01] <archivist> dont they realise you need incoming links to get a google ranking
[09:56:43] <XXCoder> yeah dunno
[09:56:54] <furrywolf> my guess is it's so they can complain when people give their chinese machines negative reviews, by claiming you can't link the review to them...
[09:57:11] <XXCoder> cant find it, been a while, or google has removed that entire site due to no link so it cant be found now lol
[09:57:50] <XXCoder> http://solvespace.com/examples.pl nice
[10:00:29] <archivist> we had a classic over here where hotel small print said extra charges if customer gives bad review, customer didnt notice gave a bad review got a direct debit extra bill , went viral, hotel had to eat humble pie and return the money
[10:00:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe we should start a section of the forums for reviews of machines and suppliers
[10:00:44] <CaptHindsight> of/on
[10:01:26] <furrywolf> if you do, make sure it links to shopmaster. :P
[10:01:35] <archivist> suppliers tend to write their own reviews though if they can get away with it
[10:01:50] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah isnt it like 3k for bad review
[10:02:16] <XXCoder> archivist: one company tried to add clause thsat if you like their facebook page, you give up rights to sue, group sue
[10:02:43] <archivist> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30111525
[10:03:59] <XXCoder> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/business/when-liking-a-brand-online-voids-the-right-to-sue.html
[10:05:23] <CaptHindsight> start a new forum, let everyone know on the ML
[10:06:10] <_methods> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/make-a-cool-case-out-of-pcb-only/
[10:08:35] <XXCoder> does the display work there?
[10:08:42] <XXCoder> yellow lcd is bit strage
[10:11:39] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: you must be young, yellow displays are old school
[10:11:59] <XXCoder> 39 years old - dunno if young lol
[10:12:03] <XXCoder> just never saw such till now
[10:12:52] <CaptHindsight> before LCD, the EL displays were often yellow
[10:13:20] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:13:43] <XXCoder> I guess that project uses it because so cheap
[10:15:46] <CaptHindsight> http://oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html
[10:16:47] <XXCoder> monochrome display I had green one lol
[10:16:55] <XXCoder> that ones different
[10:17:02] <XXCoder> mines regular crt lol
[10:17:54] <XXCoder> bubble memory lol
[10:18:01] <XXCoder> very early ssd basically
[10:18:10] <CaptHindsight> "the first desktop color graphic computer" http://oldcomputers.net/compucolor-8001.html
[10:18:27] <CaptHindsight> I like what they chose for a graphic on the monitor
[10:18:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:18:42] <XXCoder> computer was mainly nerd thing then
[10:19:53] <CaptHindsight> http://oldcomputers.net/netronics-elf.html first I built
[10:20:17] <XXCoder> I started on computers at 1992
[10:20:25] <XXCoder> "internet" at 1993
[10:20:36] <XXCoder> I quoted it because aol != internet
[10:20:58] * furrywolf hides the altair 8800 from CaptHindsight
[10:21:11] <XXCoder> I had xt but it was destroyed :(
[10:22:00] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: IMSAI all the way http://oldcomputers.net/imsai8080.html
[10:22:21] <CaptHindsight> wasn't that in War Games of was it just the floppy drives?
[10:22:41] <furrywolf> but I don't have one of those. heh.
[10:24:25] <CaptHindsight> http://diannej.com/2012/new-ftc-rules-on-writing-reviews-affiliations-and-sponsored-posts/
[10:24:46] <CaptHindsight> "The FTC can fine both the blogger and the company for not disclosing an arrangement where the company compensates the blogger for a review, positive mention, or sponsored post."
[10:24:59] <CaptHindsight> like to see the crackdown on this
[10:27:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:28:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I ran mac os7 on my nook simple touch
[10:28:19] <XXCoder> its eink is good match for mac os7 black/white interface lol
[10:30:55] <XXCoder> http://oldcomputers.net/pics/apple-powerbook-100.jpg heh
[10:34:17] <XXCoder> mac portable has lead acid battery? dang lol
[10:34:18] <CaptHindsight> who has the oldest PC controlling their CNC with Linuxcnc?
[10:34:21] <XXCoder> better not drop that thing
[10:35:05] <CaptHindsight> archivist: have an old 286 with elks kernel running EMC1 on anything? :)
[10:36:01] <CaptHindsight> I've seen a few 8086 laptops run Linux
[10:36:06] <XXCoder> didnt know radio hack had pc of their own
[10:36:16] <CaptHindsight> trash-80
[10:36:35] <CaptHindsight> was the pronunciation for the TRS-80
[10:36:39] <XXCoder> lol
[10:36:53] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: uclinux?
[10:37:43] <CaptHindsight> uwe_: have a link to your 8086 laptop with Linux?
[10:38:15] <CaptHindsight> found it myself http://www.hermann-uwe.de/hardware/linux-on-a-t1000le-laptop-using-elks
[10:40:14] <archivist> I do have some older machines, dont think I have a known running 286
[10:40:40] <XXCoder> 80186 do anyonje even has one? lol it was so short lived
[10:41:08] <Tom_itx> weren't those more for industrial apps?
[10:41:40] <archivist> XXCoder, yes at least 2 laptops with 186
[10:41:43] <CaptHindsight> the oldest I have are AMD K6 300Mhz with only a few hours on them, I think they have Fedora 5 or 6 working
[10:42:05] <archivist> I have a couple of http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X1519.98
[10:42:21] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=dulmont
[10:42:58] <XXCoder> interesting so some 80186 was made alone 80286
[10:43:03] <XXCoder> along*
[10:43:18] <XXCoder> because 80286 appeared shortly after 80-186
[10:43:27] <XXCoder> *80186
[10:43:29] <archivist> such an early laptop too
[10:44:02] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80186
[10:44:06] <CaptHindsight> the 80186 had different a instruction set so it didn't run 8086 Dos IIRC
[10:44:17] <archivist> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulmont_Magnum
[10:44:19] <XXCoder> yeah it says that
[10:44:56] <CaptHindsight> " because its integrated hardware was incompatible with the hardware used in the original IBM PC"
[10:45:03] <archivist> before DOS and the IBM PC
[10:47:44] <CaptHindsight> back in 81' I was the factory service center for these http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=12743
[10:48:05] <archivist> CaptHindsight, I am not the only computer collector in here I have seen emails with a bunny in the classiccomp mailing list
[10:48:07] <CaptHindsight> sometimes there were two of us
[10:48:19] <XXCoder> always wanted to own a arcade
[10:48:36] <XXCoder> only make it universal, with swappable interface
[10:48:48] <XXCoder> for example ball and joystick for Tron
[10:49:28] <CaptHindsight> I moved too much to be a collector
[10:50:10] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: maybe in your size http://www.damngeeky.com/2012/11/27/7298/diy-pocket-sized-raspberry-pi-micro-arcade-machine-is-freaking-small.html
[10:52:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.damngeeky.com/2015/02/16/29621/plush-lg-watch-urbane-slated-release-mwc-2015.html smartwatch that looks like an analog watch
[10:53:48] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:53:54] <XXCoder> wonder how readable it is in sun
[10:54:18] <XXCoder> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/sony-lifts-veil-off-2015-e-ink-watch-line-other-e-ink-wearables/
[10:54:32] <XXCoder> it not only changes face but strap too lol
[10:55:13] <XXCoder> its conceptal project
[10:55:18] <CaptHindsight> maybe a pixelqi display would make the most sense for that
[10:55:35] <CaptHindsight> color display that also works in direct sunlight
[10:55:59] <XXCoder> nice
[10:56:05] <XXCoder> yeah woul be best
[10:56:20] <CaptHindsight> I think they are nearly out of business
[10:56:33] <CaptHindsight> Jesperson went off to work for someone else
[10:57:03] <CaptHindsight> http://liliputing.com/2015/01/pixel-qi-dead-low-power-displays-not.html
[10:57:37] <CaptHindsight> GoogleX
[10:58:10] <CaptHindsight> http://liliputing.com/2014/10/wsj-google-developing-modular-lego-like-displays.html
[10:58:32] <CaptHindsight> modular displays
[10:58:49] <XXCoder> well hope they will have success, or maybe develop better tech that looks as good or better than lcd, yet readable in sun
[11:00:09] <XXCoder> zx80
[11:00:35] <XXCoder> $200 so cheap lol now I can get raspberri pi for $35 and its wayyy more powerful. gonna love how tech moves on
[11:03:03] <XXCoder> crazy http://oldcomputers.net/pics/ti994-sidecars.jpg
[11:03:45] <_abc_> Hello. Are there examples of linuxcnc controllig a combined mill lathe? A la Grizzly or Chinese ones?
[11:03:58] <_abc_> I mean modded, not bought cnc equipped.
[11:04:39] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/LTdoqYD.jpg
[11:05:55] <skunkworks> XXCoder: my first computer...
[11:06:01] <skunkworks> TI99/4a
[11:06:07] <moska1> hello who is using the 7i77 or knows their assignment
[11:06:11] <XXCoder> mine was ibm xt
[11:06:26] <XXCoder> used bit more modern pcs at school though lol
[11:06:46] <_abc_> Rab: That is not funny. There was a woman in the news last week who got her scalp torn off like that, it was sewn back on, surgery thread line all around the head about nose top and eyebrows and above.
[11:06:48] <XXCoder> like apple ][
[11:06:53] <skunkworks> ti99/4a -> comador 128 -> 386sx...
[11:07:21] <Rab> _abc_, I was going for "notable" more than "funny".
[11:07:42] <XXCoder> Rab: I guess it was some safety warning picture
[11:08:23] <Rab> She's a hollywood actress, Veronica Lake...I assumed safety warning, but maybe it was some demented publicity still.
[11:08:35] <XXCoder> if it was ww2 maybe
[11:08:43] <XXCoder> lot ladies worked then
[11:08:54] <Rab> Wonder if there's another pic illustrating the dangers of all that jewelry.
[11:08:58] <XXCoder> at mills and such "traditionally men" jobs
[11:09:01] <CaptHindsight> might be from a WWII safety film
[11:09:08] <XXCoder> hence the "We can do it!" famous poster
[11:09:45] <Rab> "Actress Veronica Lake illustrates what can happen to women war workers who wear their hair long while working at their benches, 1943."
[11:10:04] <XXCoder> 40s yuuup
[11:10:08] <CaptHindsight> the old rule is wear hair up in a bun and jewelry as a piecing
[11:10:16] <Rab> https://www.flickr.com/photos/minnesotahistoricalsociety/8029672523/
[11:11:22] <CaptHindsight> early hipsters :)
[11:11:50] <XXCoder> fuck flickr
[11:12:12] <CaptHindsight> can anyone name the lathe?
[11:14:10] <Rab> Looks like another in the series: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/03/41/cc/0341cc97da55b511ffb2e96fb770b012.jpg
[11:15:20] <_abc_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48O2R1d4_JA Rab
[11:16:17] <Rab> ffffuuuuuuuuu
[11:16:35] <_abc_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-412491/Your-guide-face-transplants.html keep this link handy >;)
[11:16:45] <XXCoder> _abc_: uh why link to it? Rab already said he wasnt linking to it as joke
[11:16:48] <CaptHindsight> I like the pics of Veronica Lake better
[11:16:58] <Rab> Wish there were a little more detail about the machine and the accident. They just say "power drill", but I'm assuming it had to be some kind of fixed industrial machine.
[11:17:03] <_abc_> XXCoder: It shows it keeps happening. Okay, I stop now
[11:17:14] <_abc_> So, any combo mill lathe linuxcnc drive examples?
[11:17:50] <_abc_> How does one set up the axes when transitioning between the 2 modes? Lathe is a X Y and mill is X Y Z but don't they swap places, X and Y?
[11:18:41] <_abc_> * A X Y
[11:19:13] <_abc_> Let's assume cnc threading will not be done, so no need for a fancy A drive (lathe power axis)
[11:27:34] <CaptHindsight> _abc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95B8PDlnajk
[11:28:06] <CaptHindsight> I think andy has his configs up somewhere
[11:32:01] <archivist> _abc_, seems the better blog for the linuxcnc shopsmith is no longer on the web
[11:34:19] <Cromaglious> -ugh I screwed up the setup of not one DDwrt router but 2 last night
[11:34:26] <furrywolf> I can't find anyone other than u-haul and u-pack that will ship here... door-to-door, pods, mayflower, etc all won't.
[11:35:10] <XXCoder> maybe best just buy cheap trailer like I said
[11:35:27] <XXCoder> kill it after long trip because its probably halfway to death lol
[11:35:53] <Cromaglious> so now I have to setup the tftp server and configure my extra ethernet port
[11:36:04] <Rab> furrywolf, maybe ship it to the nearest large town and make smaller trips with a light trailer?
[11:36:06] <furrywolf> it's time... I can't take much time off work, and a roadtrip with a trailer is 4 days...
[11:36:16] <XXCoder> Rab: thats an idea
[11:36:28] <XXCoder> pickup when there then move it to location
[11:36:41] <XXCoder> much shorter amnd dont need days road trip
[11:39:22] <furrywolf> the problem with buying a cheap trailer is I'd need to also buy a cheap truck to tow it with, unless I also drove out there...
[11:39:40] <XXCoder> rent truck?
[11:39:43] <XXCoder> or well uhaul
[11:39:46] <CaptHindsight> tell the old people that a crew is coming in from the county to check for killer robots, have the trailer pull up to the house and quickly load while making lots of robot sounds
[11:39:52] <XXCoder> uhaul shouldnt be too bad since shorter distance
[11:40:38] <XXCoder> so ship, wait tll it arrives, fly there, rent uhaul, drive to location, then return uhaul and fly back
[11:40:42] <CaptHindsight> tell them that the robots were caught and removed and the area is now safe
[11:42:03] <furrywolf> I'm beginning to think going back to plan A and renting a truck is easiest...
[11:42:09] <furrywolf> or buying one.
[11:42:17] <XXCoder> but 4 days
[11:42:20] <furrywolf> a used box truck isn't much more than the rental cost of one. heh.
[11:42:26] <CaptHindsight> option 2) disassemble all the furniture, move it quietly into your car ....
[11:42:27] <XXCoder> true
[11:42:48] <XXCoder> our location must have lots cheap box trucks
[11:42:55] <XXCoder> *your
[11:43:15] <CaptHindsight> NJ is known for trucking
[11:43:37] <furrywolf> all locations have cheap box trucks?
[11:43:42] * furrywolf hops on the nj craigslist to confirm
[11:44:10] <CaptHindsight> I like the robot idea since you move your stuff and look like a hero
[11:44:16] <Rab> I don't think I'd want to check out a random used box truck by taking it over the mountains cross-country in wintertime, fully loaded.
[11:44:40] <_abc_> archivist: I see
[11:44:44] <XXCoder> Rab: but ship/get box truck combo is great idea
[11:44:54] <Rab> A least if U-Haul's motor blows up, presumably they have to eat the cost.
[11:45:07] <XXCoder> less "work down time"
[11:45:35] <furrywolf> https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/4911951151.html I can get one that only does 35 up hills. :)
[11:45:40] <archivist> _abc_, jmkasunich who was a regular in here and did a lot of work in linuxcnc has/had one
[11:45:43] <Rab> XXCoder, could ship to the nearest rail depot.
[11:46:09] <XXCoder> ya sure 3k is cheaper than rent uhaul?
[11:46:28] <Rab> Is that a four-banger?
[11:47:04] <_abc_> archivist: Ok, will ask again
[11:47:07] <furrywolf> XXCoder: u-haul wants $2700... Penske was the cheapest at $1500.
[11:47:18] <XXCoder> interesting
[11:47:29] <archivist> _abc_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACvRilmIKDQ that is on his machine
[11:48:02] <_abc_> archivist: http://www.clubafaceri.ro/14522/strung-combinat-sk-400-118624.html what do you think about this unit? Only problem is it needs 3 phases.
[11:48:15] <_abc_> Proma is Czech
[11:48:17] <furrywolf> https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/4898316080.html ugly but a lot of room
[11:48:40] <XXCoder> I guess you could use it for other stuff once done
[11:48:50] <CaptHindsight> or sell it in CA
[11:48:55] <furrywolf> https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/4883507043.html more money, but it's a 2005.
[11:49:17] <CaptHindsight> $7 SOLD!
[11:49:24] <XXCoder> clean interior but unknown engine condition
[11:49:24] <furrywolf> I always figure you can haggle down to 50-75% anyway
[11:49:40] <XXCoder> $7
[11:49:49] <furrywolf> XXCoder: "Truck have no mechanical problems what so ever runs great" would imply good engine condition
[11:49:51] <XXCoder> that would be $3.50 after talk lkol
[11:50:01] <XXCoder> yeah but then seller is human
[11:50:20] <furrywolf> and I'm a mechanic with a pretty good sense for how much any given noise costs. heh.
[11:50:34] <XXCoder> that $5k clang
[11:50:40] <XXCoder> thats good :)
[11:50:54] <XXCoder> thats one of few cons on being deaf, no way to check engine noises
[11:51:04] <archivist> _abc_, not sure I would want a combination machine but full fills a market segment
[11:51:23] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4882688858.html cheaper
[11:51:34] <_abc_> archivist: For faster part making, when you do not need to rezero and recenter the part between milling and cutting steps
[11:51:49] <XXCoder> comes with free lidless ice box
[11:52:02] <XXCoder> looks decent otherwise
[11:52:16] <XXCoder> I used to drive 3 box trucks everyday at work lol
[11:52:25] <XXCoder> of course, never got out of parking lot but yea
[11:52:26] <archivist> _abc_, erm those things are not designed to mill in the spindle I think
[11:52:37] <archivist> it is another setup
[11:52:40] <_abc_> archivist: Well not precisely but they do
[11:52:56] <archivist> does it have a spindle brake
[11:53:04] <_abc_> Probably.
[11:53:06] <furrywolf> also, when figuring the price, figure I can clean it up a bit and sell it for the same here...
[11:53:09] <_abc_> There's a datasheet somewhere archivist
[11:53:34] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how much is shipping box to nearest major area
[11:53:36] <archivist> al a bit double dutch on that site to me
[11:53:45] <XXCoder> maybe try see balance between driving and shipping
[11:54:32] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4906333675.html seriously, you can't wait until day to take pictures, or find a light to park under? heh
[11:54:53] <XXCoder> maybe work 7 days a week
[11:55:01] <XXCoder> but yeah shitty pics
[11:55:08] <XXCoder> dark van too
[11:55:58] <CaptHindsight> asking $3200, no title, leave garage open will deliver
[11:56:08] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4898661058.html that's my favorite yet... nissan, diesel, cabover, looks nice, cheap
[11:56:30] <XXCoder> 1000 craft beers
[11:56:36] <Rab> Sweet air horn on that Ford.
[11:56:50] <furrywolf> needs bumper, but that's nothing some duct tape and bailing wire can't fix enough for a trip. :P
[11:58:09] <furrywolf> unless that nissan has major mechanical issues, I'm sure I could re-sell it here for a profit.
[11:58:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah sounds almost too good
[11:58:49] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4894424593.html or I could simply buy a u-haul for half what u-haul wants to rent a u-haul.
[11:58:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe needs tires
[11:59:05] <CaptHindsight> man those are really beat
[11:59:11] <XXCoder> uhaul is heavily beaten
[11:59:21] <furrywolf> also, being a '90s ford, I can repair just about anything on it without a manual, from experience. heh.
[11:59:28] <XXCoder> my ex-boxx refuse to buy em because repairs is usually shitty too
[11:59:41] <XXCoder> but then you can fix em
[11:59:42] <furrywolf> I used to drive a used u-haul for work... was actually rather well maintained. a current coworker has one and it's in decent shape too.
[12:00:04] <CaptHindsight> no miles listed
[12:00:20] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: probably billion miles, but as long as it runs well
[12:00:30] <furrywolf> capricorn_one: '90s fords only had 5 digits, so just pick a random number from 1 to 5 and add some zeroes, and it'll be just as accurate. heh.
[12:00:31] <CaptHindsight> if the trans lasts
[12:00:36] <furrywolf> grr
[12:00:41] <CaptHindsight> NJ to CA in 2nd
[12:00:46] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: '90s fords only had 5 digits, so just pick a random number from 1 to 5 and add some zeroes, and it'll be just as accurate. heh.
[12:00:49] <XXCoder> just 5 digits? lol
[12:01:09] <furrywolf> XXCoder: most american vehicles until the 2000s only read to 99,999 miles.
[12:01:18] <CaptHindsight> they didn;t expect them to reach over 100K :)
[12:01:56] <CaptHindsight> >100K miles on anything made before the 90's was a miracle
[12:02:23] <CaptHindsight> US made
[12:02:26] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4885311638.html use once and throw away....
[12:02:45] <archivist> I just made 200k miles on my ford
[12:03:07] <CaptHindsight> truck scrap is at least $500
[12:03:15] <archivist> body is not fit to take for annual test though
[12:03:16] <CaptHindsight> engines are $200 for a core
[12:03:35] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: how would you get plates?
[12:03:40] <furrywolf> https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4875638145.html needs pics.
[12:03:44] <furrywolf> plates?
[12:03:52] <CaptHindsight> license plates
[12:03:58] <furrywolf> when buying from out of state, you pay $10 for a one trip permit. fuck plates. :P
[12:04:04] <XXCoder> one of my friends once delebrately left mud all over back and front so plates would vbe hidden
[12:04:30] <furrywolf> you just tell them you'll be registering it at your destination, and they give you a piece of paper to tape up.
[12:04:39] <XXCoder> nice
[12:04:53] <XXCoder> well out now, fixing van
[12:07:12] <furrywolf> https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4894614909.html now that's ugly.
[12:07:35] <furrywolf> 7.3 probably has a c6 behind it, reliable and easy to work on.
[12:08:38] <archivist> brick pushing through the air fuel economy will be non existent
[12:09:16] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: would make a good food truck
[12:09:31] <furrywolf> https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4884619245.html "still runs" lol. sadly, I've driven worse...
[12:09:34] <Rab> Also, something like that is geared down for city delivery. Probably good torque, but not highway-friendly.
[12:09:42] <CaptHindsight> open up a torta and taco truck when you get back
[12:09:49] <archivist> furrywolf, a tame friend is also a good idea
[12:10:05] <archivist> one with a truck/trailer
[12:10:29] <archivist> two driving shifts can cover more miles per day too
[12:10:48] <furrywolf> archivist: it's a one-way trip.
[12:10:51] <Rab> I had a 4-spd gasoline school bus. Could start in 2nd no problem, but top speed was about 55. I drove it to Dallas and back (400mi) and gave up on ever doing another road trip.
[12:11:09] <CaptHindsight> I used to drive Chicago to SF in 30 hours
[12:11:17] <CaptHindsight> add 13 more from NJ
[12:11:20] <_abc_> Rab: What was the mile gaseage
[12:11:40] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: meth is bad, mmk?
[12:11:56] <Rab> _abc_, 7mpg. Rebuilt the carb and put on electronic distributor and it improved a little.
[12:11:58] <archivist> I did baltimore to chicago once with two of us
[12:12:17] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: wait until you have kids, you learn how little sleep you really need :)
[12:12:39] <_abc_> Rab: I hope you made your trip in pre crazy gas price days
[12:12:40] <Rab> Big block 330FE, monster engine/trans.
[12:12:52] <furrywolf> wait until you discover tweak, and you realize sleep is entirely optional. :P
[12:12:55] <_abc_> Rab: $1/mile is a little high
[12:12:59] <Rab> _abc_, I think that was pre-9/11, so yeah.
[12:14:14] <furrywolf> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4910494248.html ah, the 460... can pass anything except a gas station.
[12:15:50] <CaptHindsight> west of the Rockies it mostly downhill all the way to CA
[12:15:56] <furrywolf> oh well, the point is I could pick up a box truck for not much more than u-haul wants to rent...
[12:16:06] <CaptHindsight> + gas
[12:16:32] <furrywolf> gas is the same for the u-haul.
[12:16:39] <CaptHindsight> $1K-1.5K
[12:16:52] <furrywolf> or probably worse, since u-haul seems to pick gasoline automatics, while I could pick up a diesel stick...
[12:17:20] <CaptHindsight> more like <1K
[12:17:43] <furrywolf> gas has gone up a LOT in the last week. over 50 cents up here.
[12:17:58] <CaptHindsight> 10mpg?
[12:18:09] <CaptHindsight> 300 gal to CA?
[12:18:54] <furrywolf> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4905293071.html oh, I like that one.
[12:19:20] <CaptHindsight> 7.3 litte turbo diesel auto
[12:19:30] <furrywolf> 7.3 turbodiesel (excellent gas milage), probably has a c6 behind it...
[12:19:58] <furrywolf> even has roof racks, just in case you need even more space.
[12:20:05] <Rab> Does it come with all the crap in the back? (Insulation?)
[12:20:14] <furrywolf> probably
[12:20:15] <furrywolf> lol
[12:20:55] <CaptHindsight> complete with 2 dead hookers
[12:21:28] <furrywolf> the 7.3 IDI is my favorite diesel... reliable, parts are dirt cheap. the 7.3 powerstroke, a couple years after that, is much harder to work on and much more expensive. for example, a new injector for the 7.3 idi is $23, while a rebuilt injector for the 7.3 powerstroke is $250...
[12:21:46] <furrywolf> they all have problems with air in the fuel lines, but it's usually $100 or less to fix.
[12:22:16] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: are they CA legal?
[12:22:24] <furrywolf> insulation = free padding for furniture. :P
[12:22:32] <furrywolf> yep
[12:23:10] <furrywolf> I'm sure I could sell that truck for $4k here.
[12:23:12] <CaptHindsight> also figure the cost of getting around inspecting vehicles
[12:23:18] <furrywolf> no inspections here
[12:23:24] <furrywolf> oh, you mean looking at them.
[12:23:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah shopping
[12:23:36] <furrywolf> meh, call, buy the first one that doesn't sound like crap. :)
[12:23:40] <CaptHindsight> maybe a new business for you?
[12:24:34] <furrywolf> box trucks are surprisingly cheap used... they're something most people don't need, and most corporations don't deal with old vehicles... so there's a steady supply of them retiring from fleets, and only a few construction companies, courier services, etc shopping for them.
[12:25:40] <CaptHindsight> open an old truck rental when you get back
[12:25:48] <furrywolf> lol
[12:25:56] <furrywolf> rent-a-wreck already exists. :P
[12:25:57] <CaptHindsight> $100/day unlimited miles
[12:26:08] <CaptHindsight> haven't seen one for trucks
[12:26:35] <CaptHindsight> break even after 20 rentals/days
[12:26:40] <furrywolf> lol
[12:27:01] <furrywolf> it's pretty sad I could buy that truck for $700 less than u-haul will rent me one for.
[12:27:10] <furrywolf> and it's a diesel, so will use less fuel than the u-haul.
[12:27:13] <CaptHindsight> charge $35/day for the insurance
[12:27:35] <CaptHindsight> that how uhaul does it with all the extra liability crap
[12:27:44] <furrywolf> methinks u-haul must be pretty profitable.
[12:28:03] <CaptHindsight> 75/day + $35 for the waivers and insurance
[12:28:36] <CaptHindsight> a truck that size must be ~$150/day
[12:28:54] <CaptHindsight> + 50 cents per mile
[12:29:26] <_abc_> I assume people have converted box trucks into live in caravans before?
[12:29:49] <CaptHindsight> party truck!
[12:29:49] <furrywolf> yes
[12:29:55] <_abc_> http://tinyhousetalk.com/box-truck-converted-amazing-solar-mobile-cabin/
[12:29:58] <furrywolf> but if I do that, I'm going to start with an expandovan.
[12:30:05] <CaptHindsight> decked out with disco light and full bar
[12:30:12] <_abc_> CaptHindsight: And women
[12:30:34] <_abc_> furrywolf: expandovan is what? The sides which can be pushed out hydraulically or whatever?
[12:30:55] <furrywolf> _abc_: http://s28.photobucket.com/user/bigmak1987/media/my%20Future%20RV/deployment013.jpg.html
[12:31:26] <furrywolf> because a) I'm a redneck, and it'll fit in with my current collection of military vehicles, and b) it's bigger on the inside! :P
[12:31:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVJgB8sYc0A survival home on wheels
[12:32:09] <_abc_> Yeah that's what I meant. Interesting name. I saw some posh motor home done like that recently, belonging to a Hollywood star. 18 wheeler too.
[12:32:13] <CaptHindsight> offer conversions for survivalists
[12:32:45] <_abc_> How does that thing expand? Hydraulics? Electrics? Squirrels turning a crank 18,000 turns?
[12:33:25] <_abc_> Also, what's that vehicle used for normally? You can't use it unexpanded so what does it do? Non-mobile office spaces?
[12:34:02] <archivist> double expanding http://www.esbroadcast.com/equipment/used/used-outside-broadcast-vehicles/
[12:34:05] <furrywolf> radio vans or tactical... in travel you have a little aisle with equipment on the sides and no room to work, parked you have lots of room.
[12:34:48] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-military-6x6-extended-cargo-van-truck-5-ton-855-cummins-diesel-M934-/181673925879?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a4c9c1cf7&item=181673925879&pt=Military_Vehicles they tend to be cheap too
[12:35:03] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-military-6x6-extended-cargo-van-truck-5-ton-855-cummins-diesel-M934-/181673925879 (crap removed from url)
[12:35:54] <_abc_> Gas mileage must be terrible.
[12:35:57] <furrywolf> yes.
[12:36:08] <_abc_> Military multi-fuel engines are particularly terrible at gas guzzling
[12:36:11] <furrywolf> all RVs other than toyota dolphins get terrible gas milage, however.
[12:36:22] <_abc_> VW too?
[12:36:28] <_abc_> And Mercedes
[12:36:46] <furrywolf> vw makes RVs?
[12:36:57] <furrywolf> and all the mercedes ones I've seen were conversion vans, not real rvs.
[12:37:12] <_abc_> http://www.rv-camper-guide.info/vw-camper-commercial.html
[12:37:15] <archivist> they make box vans that others fit out
[12:38:11] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-M934A1-5-Ton-6x6-Shop-Van-/171608465296?pt=Military_Vehicles&forcerrptr=true&hash=item27f4a95f90&item=171608465296 the last one that sold... only $4,050 and it's CLEAN.
[12:38:32] <furrywolf> that listing has a really nice interior pic too
[12:39:26] <furrywolf> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/BFYAAOSwMpZUmew7/$_57.JPG compare that to living space in your average RV.
[12:39:36] <_abc_> http://www.timelinedesigns.com/kingsley/CLICK_HERE_TO_ENTER_SITE.htm small non expanfing...
[12:39:46] <furrywolf> 17ft wide
[12:40:34] <furrywolf> yeah, I'd much rather a 6x6 multifuel than one of those.
[12:41:44] <Rab> Reminds me of this class act I saw in Texarkana: http://reboots.g-cipher.net/thankyoulord.jpg
[12:41:49] <miss0r> What ubuntu version is the current linuxcnc build on?
[12:41:56] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: do you come across any small auto diesel engines?
[12:41:57] <furrywolf> that listing has a lot of really good photos
[12:42:17] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: not in the US, other than VWs that build up sludge and fail.
[12:42:38] <furrywolf> one of the best RVs I've seen was a hippie bus.
[12:42:42] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: I considered importing them by the container
[12:43:04] <_abc_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088833/Pictured-Double-decker-bus-converted-camper-van--room-park-car-inside.html archivist this looks cool
[12:43:23] <_abc_> furrywolf: Hippie buses were frequently 1st generation VW campers
[12:43:49] <furrywolf> they took a long (probably 40ft+) school bus, extended the frame out the back, added another axle, put a 5th wheel hitch on it,... and hooked a 40ft+ house trailer to it.
[12:44:12] <furrywolf> thing was probably a hundred feet long, and needed four blocks for a u-turn. :)
[12:45:12] <_abc_> http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20717890,00.html here's the Hollywood star's...
[12:45:58] <furrywolf> yeah, I'd much rather an rv that can go anywhere, not have overpriced furnishings.
[12:46:13] <furrywolf> and that expands to 17ft wide. :P
[12:46:36] <furrywolf> there's enough room under the frame for some seriously large water and waste tanks... could go dry-camping for weeks...
[12:48:16] <furrywolf> you can pick one up for $5k... paint in inside white, add cabinets, counter, appliances, etc... have a fold-down california king bed to make use of the 17ft width...
[12:49:07] <_abc_> lol
[12:50:53] <furrywolf> add a few hundred gallons of tanks to the bottom, solar panels on the roof...
[12:52:02] <furrywolf> add some big windows to the sides, but make shutters out of 1/4" steel plate over some heavy bar...
[12:52:13] <furrywolf> so you don't have to worry about breaking them dragging the sides along trees...
[12:53:19] <furrywolf> http://www.morlock-motors.de/index.php?car=7898 more good photos of one
[12:53:47] <_abc_> furrywolf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steam_House you're in luck, someone designed already what you are after...
[12:54:24] <furrywolf> you can get them with a factory PTO winch that'll pull it up a tree...
[14:22:44] <LatheBuilder> Hello! Rounding the final bend in my first conversion.
[14:25:29] <dirty_d> anyone using keling driver? wtf is software configured current setting?
[14:55:26] <LatheBuilder> have mystery 24vac on lines that should be 24vdc. Eliminated actives, down to unplugging until it goes away...
[14:55:53] <LatheBuilder> (drive is not enabled so it isn't feedback from tachs at least)
[14:56:20] <LatheBuilder> any tips?
[14:58:31] <renesis> its actually 24VAC?
[14:58:59] <SpeedEvil> ow areyou measuring it
[14:59:08] <renesis> like, 34V peak in both directions?
[14:59:28] <renesis> both polarities
[14:59:36] <LatheBuilder> fluke multimeter
[15:00:00] <LatheBuilder> brb, checking if polarity dependent
[15:00:08] <SpeedEvil> you do know that most meters if youswitch them to AC will indicate it's AC, even if it's DC?
[15:00:30] <renesis> it wont be, i just mean is it 68V peak to peak
[15:00:50] <renesis> that happens?
[15:00:56] <renesis> i dont think my fluke does that
[15:01:43] <renesis> lathebuilder: does it say 0V when you put it in dc mode?
[15:02:03] <LatheBuilder> fluke 323, true rms. on dc shows zero.
[15:03:08] <renesis> is it a regulated 24v supply?
[15:03:13] <LatheBuilder> found it debugging why the drawbar solenoid didn't fire. turns out 24vac present where 24vdc should be. wierd thing is no low voltage ac present in the system i know of
[15:03:58] <renesis> the dc power supplies are probably generated from a/c input
[15:03:58] <LatheBuilder> it's a switcher.
[15:04:16] <Rab> Yeah, both my Fluke meters (177 and 77III) filter out DC in AC mode...interesting, I wouldn't have assumed that.
[15:04:41] <renesis> really?
[15:04:54] <LatheBuilder> there is 120 and 240 vac single and three phase lots of places, just no known 24vac sources.
[15:05:02] <Rab> Yeah, 9V battery reads 9V on DC and 0V on AC.
[15:05:06] <renesis> ive always clicked back and forth from a/c to dc to see the ac and dc componentsa separately
[15:05:10] <zeeshan> LatheBuilder: the transformers
[15:05:11] <renesis> right
[15:05:14] <zeeshan> might have 24vac taps in them.
[15:05:25] <renesis> normal meters dont do that?
[15:05:25] <SpeedEvil> Rab: check it does that both ways
[15:05:31] <LatheBuilder> (double checking)
[15:05:32] <SpeedEvil> renesis: no
[15:05:34] <SpeedEvil> renesis: it varies
[15:05:55] <SpeedEvil> renesis: meters in general will only give sane readings for 0 DC offset sine at 50/60Hz
[15:06:11] <renesis> a lighter highter, but yeah thats true
[15:06:18] <renesis> true RMS doesnt mean dc to light
[15:06:41] <SpeedEvil> renesis: you need to at the very least closely inspect the manual, or possibly even guess or test if it does anything right when presented with AC which is nonsinusoidal at 60/50Hz
[15:06:49] <renesis> i laught when 'engineers' are like IT SAYS TRUE RMS SO ITS GOTTA BE RIGHT and theyre trying to measure pink noise up to 20khz
[15:07:37] <renesis> anyway, the flukes ive used all roloff way before 1khz
[15:07:48] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it depends.
[15:07:49] <zeeshan> the "klein" tools meter
[15:07:50] <Rab> SpeedEvil, both polarities?
[15:07:54] <renesis> the cheapo horror fate tools dmms actually had the best frequency response
[15:07:58] <zeeshan> can do high frequencies apparently
[15:08:10] <SpeedEvil> Rab: some meters have a diode, and measure 0 on AC with one polarity
[15:08:11] <renesis> who says?
[15:08:23] <zeeshan> manual
[15:08:30] <renesis> what is high freq?
[15:08:44] <LatheBuilder> back.
[15:08:50] <renesis> but we assumed theyre an RC before the ADC in the meters, and the cheap ones just use a small cap or maybe none
[15:09:02] <renesis> *there's
[15:09:06] <LatheBuilder> reads identical both fwd & bkwd
[15:09:17] <renesis> yeah i would assume that
[15:09:28] <LatheBuilder> no aux taps on either control or servo transformers.
[15:09:42] <zeeshan> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/klein-tools-mm2000-multi-meter-review/
[15:09:42] <Rab> SpeedEvil, same result.
[15:09:43] <renesis> i asked before i realized you were using a dmm and not a scope, i just wanted to confirm you were seeing 70V peak to peak
[15:09:44] <zeeshan> this is the meter im using
[15:10:15] <LatheBuilder> only other active component in the system is the lubricator. possible it has something wierd going on.
[15:10:29] <SpeedEvil> Rab: yeah - fluke is likely to be engineered for less surprise
[15:10:39] <LatheBuilder> have a scope configured for differential probing...i could look at the waveform
[15:10:47] <zeeshan> on a meter like this
[15:10:52] <renesis> zeeshan: the 1mhz spec is for the counter
[15:10:53] <zeeshan> does the V setting do both ac and dc?
[15:10:58] <zeeshan> ive only used it for ac..
[15:11:09] <Rab> The meter does read the voltage as an AC transient at first, but as it integrates over a couple successive readings it quickly drops to zero.
[15:11:13] <LatheBuilder> on this one, separate settings for ac and dc
[15:11:17] <zeeshan> renesis: so what frequency can it measure then?
[15:11:37] <renesis> you have to test it with sine waves
[15:11:43] <renesis> of known amplitude
[15:11:45] <zeeshan> ah
[15:11:50] <zeeshan> i havent tried anything but 60hz
[15:11:52] <renesis> theyre made for ac on mains power
[15:12:01] <zeeshan> i love how it uses littlefuse fuses
[15:12:03] <zeeshan> and regular batteries
[15:12:05] <LatheBuilder> also, the odd thing here is the dc power supplies are not even hooked up to this buss
[15:12:08] <zeeshan> its a decent meter
[15:12:09] <renesis> at low frequency, theyll integrate damn near any waveform
[15:12:40] <renesis> ive compared hand indegrated waveforms with the meters, impulsive sense resistor measurements, and the meters are accurate below 100hz
[15:12:59] <renesis> above 200hz, they start to roll off
[15:13:02] <zeeshan> for higher frequencies
[15:13:06] <zeeshan> wouldnt you be using a scope to begin with though?
[15:13:09] <LatheBuilder> ya, i got tired of having to guess whether it was the meter or the readings when debugging wierd-to-me readings
[15:13:11] <renesis> true rms just means its a sampling, integrating measurement method
[15:13:13] <zeeshan> i always thought handle held meters
[15:13:17] <renesis> doesnt have anything to do with freq response
[15:13:18] <zeeshan> are only for generic diagnosis
[15:13:28] <zeeshan> and anything precise like the clock of a cpu
[15:13:30] <zeeshan> needs a proper scope
[15:13:59] <renesis> dmm isnt even gonna see a cpu clock
[15:13:59] <zeeshan> renesis: that makes sense
[15:14:02] <renesis> the counter might
[15:14:08] <zeeshan> rms is calculated using an integral
[15:14:15] <zeeshan> has nothing to do with freq response :P
[15:14:21] <renesis> but i think the counters are just counting zero crossings
[15:14:34] <zeeshan> if its anything like vibrations, you need to find the natural frequency of the meter
[15:14:44] <zeeshan> and only operate at .2 frequency ratio
[15:15:25] <zeeshan> like in vibrations, if we're measuring a 1khz vibration, and the accelrometer has a natural freq of 5khz, you're right at the limit
[15:16:01] <renesis> 5khz is prob the -3dB point
[15:16:02] <zeeshan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration#mediaviewer/File:Forced_Vibration_Response.png
[15:16:10] <zeeshan> you can see at .2 freq ratio
[15:16:18] <zeeshan> the amplitude ratio != 1 anymore
[15:16:26] <zeeshan> so you get error in measurement
[15:16:33] <zeeshan> is this the similar thing youre trying to explain for meters?
[15:16:47] <zeeshan> that the resonant frequency of the meter is set, and what you're trying to measure
[15:16:53] <renesis> well, thats a lot more like mics and transducers
[15:17:03] <renesis> but it all models as caps resistors and coils, so shrug
[15:17:04] <renesis> kinda
[15:17:08] <zeeshan> is dependent onthat nat freq
[15:17:30] <renesis> i doubt the meter is an LC resonant system
[15:17:54] <zeeshan> well it must have some sort of natural frequency
[15:17:57] <renesis> it just has an RC filter before the adc or the freq response is limited by the sampling rate of the adc
[15:18:04] <zeeshan> to cause a it to limit the frequency response
[15:18:06] <LatheBuilder> brb, disconnecting more taps to eliminate branches
[15:18:08] <renesis> it has a roloff frequency
[15:18:14] <renesis> your model is more like a subwoofer
[15:18:32] <pcw_home> and RMS meter needs to sample fast enough to resolve the waveform or it cannot do the calculations
[15:18:34] <renesis> which has the mass and suspension interacting to produce a resonant peak
[15:18:56] <zeeshan> like how do you know
[15:18:59] <renesis> pcw_home: im pretty sure theyre filtered as well
[15:19:00] <zeeshan> when you've hit the limit?
[15:19:06] <zeeshan> say im measuring a 20khz wave
[15:19:09] <zeeshan> what will the meter do
[15:19:13] <zeeshan> if its no good
[15:19:17] <renesis> what do you mean how do i know because thats an LC resonant peak in your picture
[15:19:18] <pcw_home> (though random sampling works so its does not need a fast A-D, but rather a fast sample&Hold)
[15:19:27] <Topy44> anyone around that uses linuxcnc with a laser cutter? if yes, what frontend do you use to generate the gcode?
[15:19:37] <renesis> DMM are DC devides
[15:19:40] <Topy44> we are currently using a patched lasersaur frontend, and its... not optimal to say the least
[15:19:46] <renesis> accelerometers arent
[15:21:33] <pcw_home> They used to do RMS thermally, this works from DC to microwave
[15:21:54] <renesis> ha, neat
[15:22:15] <renesis> zeeshan: http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/filter/fil82.gif
[15:22:24] <zeeshan> ah
[15:22:26] <zeeshan> so it just drops
[15:22:39] <zeeshan> and youre gonna get like 0 amplitude
[15:22:47] <zeeshan> as you try to measure higher frequencies
[15:22:49] <renesis> eventually, effectively, yes
[15:22:56] <zeeshan> but the question is
[15:22:59] <zeeshan> how do you know its dropping?
[15:23:06] <zeeshan> you gotta compare to a scope?
[15:23:11] <renesis> with test equipment and science
[15:23:29] <renesis> sure scope works
[15:24:05] <renesis> at work there i usually specialized audio tes gear with known and usually adjustable sampling rates and filters
[15:24:47] <renesis> so if we tell something to measure at 192khz with an 80khz filter, and the shit says .01% THD, pretty confident that the amplitude and frequency measurements are correct
[15:27:10] <zeeshan> :)
[15:27:19] <renesis> anyway, harbor freight $4 dmm has the best frequency response, by far
[15:28:01] <renesis> the assumption is they just were using an input filter, or using one with a tiny cap for RF rejection
[15:28:11] <renesis> *werent using
[15:28:52] <renesis> my fluke stuff did the worse, started rolling off bit above 200hz
[15:28:56] <pcw_home> I got a couple of those and promptly threw them out (sometimes dont read anywhere near the correct voltage)
[15:29:08] <pcw_home> (cheap red ones)
[15:29:10] <renesis> yeah theyre spotty
[15:29:14] <renesis> yup exactly
[15:29:32] <renesis> i know a guy made temp sensor displays with them, pissed me off
[15:30:41] <renesis> we have real test gear why waste $20 at HF just to have to spend another hour hacking the temp sensors in
[15:31:38] <zeeshan> what happens if you try to measure a capacitance
[15:31:42] <zeeshan> larger than the capacitance rating fo the meter
[15:31:43] <zeeshan> *of
[15:32:00] <zeeshan> just saturates?
[15:32:00] <renesis> prob just times out and says OL
[15:32:12] <zeeshan> ah
[15:33:09] <renesis> i think most dmm cap testers are just dc current sources, i dont think they do ac impedance tests
[15:34:08] <dirty_d> got the imperial/metric stuff done https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace-linux-fixes/commit/ee60b575fa234d705b1a62fd09cd6329f62d5d45
[15:35:07] <dirty_d> fmt_mm(in(1) + mm(19)) specified in a constraint will now set the length to 1in + 19mm and display it in millimeters
[15:35:41] <zeeshan> with a LC meter
[15:35:51] <zeeshan> LCR meter, do you need to discharge the cap before measurement
[15:35:54] <Rab> dirty_d, neat!
[15:35:55] <renesis> it doesnt under (1in +19mm)mm in the dimension text box?
[15:35:57] <zeeshan> what about ESR meter
[15:36:21] <dirty_d> 1in wont work, it would have to be in(1)
[15:36:42] <renesis> i think discharging caps is usually mentioned on LCR meters and in manuals
[15:36:49] <zeeshan> yea
[15:36:54] <zeeshan> im reading the manual (what a rare site)
[15:36:56] <zeeshan> sight
[15:36:58] <dirty_d> i tried to get it to work, but it wasnt immediately obvious how to make that work with the current lexer/parser
[15:36:59] <renesis> in this respect im pretty sure theyre diff
[15:37:15] <zeeshan> so esr on charged cap is ok
[15:37:18] <renesis> i know some will dump the cap
[15:37:32] <renesis> i wouldnt connect a charged cap to an LCR
[15:38:05] <renesis> ive done it, was fine, but in general i dont see the point and if its hotter than th LCR rails it could pop something
[15:38:18] <zeeshan> yea
[15:38:37] <dirty_d> there is one possible problem, if you just put i.e. 42 for a constraint, then change the view units in the dropdown menu, edit the constraint and leave it as 42, it will change from i.e 42in to 42mm
[15:39:02] <dirty_d> if you dont specify units, it uses the global units prefrence
[15:39:09] <renesis> and unless you can explain exactly why its okay in some specific situation, its not good practice to use an LCR on shit in circuit so no reason not to dump the cap
[15:39:28] <zeeshan> just as a precautin
[15:39:35] <zeeshan> for some reason you have a cap outside a circuit and its charged
[15:39:39] <zeeshan> for some odd reason :)
[15:39:53] <renesis> dirty_d: if you do 1in without the equation, still doesnt work?
[15:40:00] <renesis> good to know
[15:40:18] <renesis> zeeshan: right so discharge it
[15:40:55] <dirty_d> renesis, no in/mm never worked like that
[15:41:19] <dirty_d> theres no reason it cant, the parser just doesnt handle unary operators that come after the operand right now
[15:41:21] <renesis> dirty_d: thanks prob saved me few min of confusion
[15:41:27] <dirty_d> ill probably add that
[15:41:33] <dirty_d> and leave the function form as well
[15:42:05] <dirty_d> its probably easy to do, im just not seeing it yet though
[15:42:29] <dirty_d> the guy that actually wrote this could probably do it in 10 minutes
[15:43:36] <zeeshan> im trying to think of a way
[15:43:50] <zeeshan> to come up with a better way to measure the repeatability of my lathe tools
[15:43:56] <zeeshan> when i do a manual tool change
[15:44:22] <zeeshan> any ideas?
[15:44:30] <dirty_d> i wish i had repeatable tools, lol
[15:44:31] <zeeshan> i was dropping them onto a dial indicator
[15:44:35] <renesis> dial test indicator on the bed?
[15:44:39] <zeeshan> yea but the thing is
[15:44:41] <zeeshan> its not super accurate
[15:44:48] <zeeshan> im measuring at the tip of the insert
[15:45:08] <renesis> so measure on something flat
[15:45:15] <zeeshan> well thats the thing
[15:45:29] <zeeshan> even if i find a good flat surface
[15:45:47] <zeeshan> how do i know they're controlling that dimension relative to the tool holder
[15:45:49] <zeeshan> it might change
[15:46:44] <zeeshan> random pic
[15:46:45] <zeeshan> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/Images/480/480.2461.jpg
[15:46:48] <renesis> make sort cuts along a rod and use your fingers
[15:46:49] <Rab> dirty_d, is there a way for the code to couple "42" with the current View units to populate the correct syntax for your code? Breaking default usage (enter 42 in View mode to get 42mm, converts to 1.654 in inch mode) does seem problematic.
[15:46:53] <dirty_d> i need to get some of those tormach tool holder things
[15:47:03] <zeeshan> the face of the tool holder is never ground
[15:47:06] <zeeshan> at least mine arent
[15:47:16] <zeeshan> renesis: that introduces error in lead screw
[15:47:24] <zeeshan> i want to isolate the tool holder
[15:47:52] <dirty_d> Rab, if you enter 42 it will always just be 42 or whatever your current units are
[15:47:53] <zeeshan> its like i need some way to measure the the dovetail
[15:47:56] <dirty_d> of*
[15:48:23] <XXCoder> whew\
[15:48:28] <XXCoder> long walk to get one tool lol
[15:48:38] <Rab> dirty_d, sorry, I get it now.
[15:48:46] <dirty_d> the problem is that if you change your view units from mm to in, the dimension will change correctly, but when you go to edit it, "42" will still be in the edit box, and when you hit enter it will change it to 42in
[15:49:06] <dirty_d> so its best to always specify units
[15:49:10] <dirty_d> then it will always work right
[15:49:58] <dirty_d> once i get it working with in/mm as a suffix, it would probably be a good idea to just force you to always specify
[15:50:59] <Rab> I don't know if that overhead is worth the evil practice of mixing units.
[15:52:02] <dirty_d> i think its better than like calculating a distance that needs to used mixed units and puting a wierd number like 2.739 somewhere
[15:52:11] <dirty_d> its just like, where the hell did that number come from?
[15:52:35] <dirty_d> with the expression its like a reminder of where these distances originate from
[15:53:00] <dirty_d> because sometimes you need to make a part that has both metric and sae sized components in it
[15:53:27] <renesis> rab: its a convenience, its annoying not to have once you do
[15:53:45] <dirty_d> in(1) + mm(10 / 2)
[15:53:48] <renesis> tho solidworks will turn alternate unit entry into native units with a billion decimal places
[15:54:08] <dirty_d> like i could see that and be like oh yea this 10mm bearing hole is 1 inch from the edge of this part
[15:54:20] <renesis> im not sure if this is the case qith equations tho
[15:55:24] <Rab> I always do the unit conversion up front and work in units of 25.4mm or whatever. But I do see the value in the explicit approach for mixing units. Anyway, it's your project. ;)
[15:55:43] <dirty_d> well not really, lol
[15:56:18] <renesis> rab: once you start doing dimensions that reference other parts, its hard to avoid
[15:56:29] <dirty_d> i mostly did it for myself because it works good, but i wanted it to work on linux
[15:56:57] <dirty_d> but i've been pushing merge requests to the official project
[15:57:12] <dirty_d> not sure about this one though because it might mess some people up
[15:58:24] <Rab> If you can make it work as a seamless subset of the default behavior, I don't see a problem.
[16:01:26] <dirty_d> the only almost easy thing i can think of is to automatically add the correct mm() or in() around naked numbers you enter
[16:02:34] <renesis> would prob be best stored like that so you dont have to convert all the things if default units are changed
[16:03:15] <dirty_d> yea it literaly just stores the string you enter and re-fills the edit box with that string when you go to edit it again
[16:03:37] <renesis> how does it handle changing default units?
[16:03:41] <dirty_d> before it would grab the distance always in mm and convert it to mm or in depending on your settings
[16:04:05] <dirty_d> but it didnt store the expression anywhere, so its just gone when you hit enter
[16:04:17] <renesis> that sucks
[16:04:29] <renesis> nice to be able to go back and teak things
[16:04:40] <dirty_d> yea definitely
[16:04:56] <dirty_d> there is cos sin and sqrt too, i dunno if thats in the manual
[16:04:58] <dirty_d> but its in there
[16:05:00] <Rab> O dear, SpaceNavigator hard-locks the OS if I play with it for too long.
[16:05:19] <dirty_d> tahts not good, lol
[16:06:08] <Rab> Wonder if it's actually related to the device/code, or if it's a Mesa 3D problem and the SN just lets me push the 3D stuff harder than the mouse.
[16:06:53] <Rab> Seems like a rare occurrance, happened the other day and just now.
[16:07:04] <dirty_d> id guess the device driver for the mouse
[16:07:19] <dirty_d> because the application shouldnt be able to do that, and mesa should be pretty stable
[16:08:03] <dirty_d> but who knows, my first rule of debugging is assume nothing, lol
[16:08:10] <Rab> I might just use the mouse more in solvespace instead, and see if it happens again.
[16:08:32] <_abc_> the second rule of debugging is to use 0xC0FFEE
[16:08:37] <dirty_d> dont even assume the program that youre debugging is the same one you just compiled
[16:08:43] <dirty_d> ive had that bite me in my as once, lol
[16:08:46] <XXCoder> _abc_: nice
[16:09:00] <_abc_> I will always wonder whether the COFF file format was not a homage to C0FF
[16:09:01] <Rab> Really tempting to keep twiddling the model with the SN all the time, it's so cyberpunk.
[16:09:17] <dirty_d> i kinda want one of thse
[16:09:29] <Deejay> gn8
[16:09:54] <XXCoder> 0xC0FFEE color is bit unusual. https://color.adobe.com/0xC0FFEE-color-theme-991464/
[16:10:09] <_abc_> dirty_d: yes, unix paths being /usr and /usr/local friendly, omitting hash -r after compilation is a bad thing to do
[16:10:21] <XXCoder> center is 0xc0ffee
[16:10:36] <Rab> XXCoder, obviously that's the color of unroasted beans!
[16:10:42] <XXCoder> lol
[16:10:50] <dirty_d> _abc_, i think i had made a backup of the code and accidentally changed into that directory
[16:11:07] <dirty_d> but the whole path wasnt shown in PS1
[16:11:24] <dirty_d> the confusion that ensued
[16:11:49] <_abc_> dirty_d: regardless, unless you launch the compiled progam with a static path or locally like ./a.out , what will run is NOT what you think will run. which $name will tell you usually, but it will lie if you replaced a system binary and did not run hash -r after that
[16:12:48] <dirty_d> i didnt even know that existed
[16:13:43] <_abc_> help hash @bash cli
[16:14:37] <dirty_d> hmm
[16:51:33] <LatheBuilder> Rab >> if sensitivity is turned up "high" on SpaceNavigator when viewing a complex model it can push the video card harder than it can refresh. locks up as the display catches up
[16:59:29] <furrywolf> annoying tidbit of the day: spray foam expands more after you think it's done than before you think it's done.
[17:00:41] <SpeedEvil> Did you explodde something?
[17:01:04] <furrywolf> no, just will have to do more trimming than I planned on.
[17:03:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:03:45] <furrywolf> I think it expands, waits ten minutes, then expands the same amount again.
[17:04:18] <furrywolf> temperature rise maybe? the initial expansion cools it and stops the expansion, then it expands more when it's had time to warm up, while self-insulating?
[17:07:55] <SpeedEvil> yes - temp rise helps
[17:08:10] <SpeedEvil> Large sections can even catch fire in the middle
[17:16:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjap74m4228 Polyurethane foam expansion
[17:18:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_vd_I_ojI this vid explains the expansion
[17:19:43] * furrywolf wants text
[17:21:28] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[17:21:35] <CaptHindsight> http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-12032002-170009/unrestricted/03_Chapter_2.pdf
[17:21:51] <CaptHindsight> Flexible Polyurethane Foam Chemistry
[17:32:33] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: are you sighing because I want information quickly and efficiently?
[17:33:27] <MacGalempsy> hello :]
[17:34:31] <SpeedEvil> i also wish sometimes people would write sutff down, not ramble aimlessly in a 30 minute video that ends up with you wanting to set them on fire for not being able to make the sole point they were intending to make in the first 30 seconds.
[17:35:19] <furrywolf> lol
[17:35:29] <CaptHindsight> any video not by a University about anything
[17:35:32] <furrywolf> reading is just so much faster than listening to someone talk...
[17:35:35] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUsP23pBRXk Oooh
[17:35:48] <SpeedEvil> Teardown of a defibrilator from the 1970s
[17:36:11] <CaptHindsight> used?
[17:36:56] <SpeedEvil> possibly
[18:43:04] <dirty_d> Rab, XXCoder, renesis got in/mm suffixes working. its not in master yet because I only tried a few expressions to see if it works, but it seems to so far. just do 'git checkout expr_suffix' before building if you want to get that change
[18:58:15] <Tom_itx> anybody have a particular brand of ram they like to use?
[18:58:42] <Tom_itx> looking at that ASRock Q1900M
[19:04:33] <Tecan> whats the m code for radius speed ?
[19:04:54] <Tecan> i need it to ramp down around corners
[19:05:31] <Tecan> 3d printer this is for
[19:06:36] <Tecan> going to end up throwing the head out of wack printing super speed
[19:13:12] <cpresser> Tecan: afaik there isnt one besides 'F'
[19:13:41] <cpresser> Tecan: you can also lower your accelleration settings in the ini
[19:20:38] <_methods> Tom_itx: crucial, pny, kingston
[19:20:50] <_methods> i'm using gskill in a couple boxes now to test
[19:21:02] <_methods> i won't use corsair anymore
[19:21:46] <_methods> crucial has always been a sure thing for me
[19:28:06] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4913085626.html ROFL..
[19:29:04] <Tom_itx> yeah i didn't care for corsair either
[19:31:19] <_methods> i had 2 of their power supplies crap out on me and 3 sticks of bad ram
[19:31:32] <_methods> their computer cases are top notch though lol
[19:31:52] <_methods> they should just stick to cases from what i've seen
[19:32:25] <_methods> how much is that caliper at harbor freight?
[19:33:25] <Tom_itx> looks like newegg sells alot of gskill
[19:33:32] <Tom_itx> know anything about them?
[19:34:21] <_methods> i'm testing sticks now
[19:34:31] <_methods> so far they're doing fine
[19:34:42] <MacGalempsy_> PetefromTn_: always wanted a Calliper
[19:34:44] <_methods> i got 2 8gb sticks to try out
[19:35:06] <_methods> i've only been using them for about 4 months now
[19:35:26] <Tom_itx> i think i'm looking at 2x4
[19:35:37] <Tom_itx> don't need that much for lcnc
[19:35:41] <_methods> yeah
[19:35:50] <_methods> i have the gskill sticks in my gaming rig
[19:35:58] <Tom_itx> i guess it wouldn't hurt to have it
[19:36:12] <_methods> heh more ram is never a bad thing
[19:36:27] <_methods> unless you're running 32 bit i guess
[19:36:36] <Tom_itx> what series ram?
[19:36:43] <_methods> my gskill?
[19:36:51] <Tom_itx> they got a bazillion series
[19:36:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:36:57] <_methods> let me check my newegg history
[19:38:44] <_methods> oh i have some in my laptop
[19:38:46] <_methods> doh
[19:38:51] <_methods> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231294
[19:39:27] <_methods> and this is the stuff in my gaming rig
[19:39:29] <_methods> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568
[19:40:05] <_methods> so far both sets have been working fine for me
[19:41:25] <Tom_itx> not sure those would work in this, it takes DDR3/DDR3L 1333/1066
[19:42:28] <furrywolf> the battery charger I got has a giant warning sticker on the battery cables, "WARNING: DO NOT CUT OR SHORTEN THE DC BATTERY CABLES! Cutting these cables may damage the battery charger or the batteries." wtf?
[19:42:45] <furrywolf> does it need some minimum external resistance or it self-destructs?
[19:44:41] <_methods> personally i'd just get crucial
[19:44:57] <_methods> i always try new stuff with my gaming rigs though
[19:46:22] <furrywolf> the cables are 6ft long. I'm mounting it about 6in from the breaker it'll be connected to. I want to cut and shorten the dc battery cables...
[20:03:45] <_methods> http://www.wsj.com/articles/nxp-semiconductors-in-advanced-talks-to-combine-with-freescale-semiconductor-1425245923
[20:04:29] <Tom_itx> freescale was motorola wasn't it?
[20:04:33] <furrywolf> I can't see why I shouldn't cut out about 5ft from the middle of these wires....
[20:04:35] <Tom_itx> nxp is phillips
[20:04:55] <alex4nder> yah
[20:05:10] <_methods> the ole dutch rudder
[20:05:23] <alex4nder> that will be.. interesting
[20:06:59] <_methods> sounds like both companies are healthy
[20:07:06] <_methods> i wonder what the angle is
[20:09:30] <CaptHindsight> the cost of fabs
[20:10:00] <CaptHindsight> and freescale has suffered from poor management
[20:10:27] <_methods> so nxp is snatching them up to acquire their debt?
[20:10:49] <_methods> tax shelter deal?
[20:11:06] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to read the stories
[20:11:27] <_methods> well it looks like freescale was about $5billion in debt in 2011
[20:11:32] <_methods> but they've been profitable
[20:11:38] <_methods> but that's coming from WSJ
[20:11:53] <_methods> so who knows how much of that is trash to sell bunk stocks
[20:12:58] <CaptHindsight> http://ir.freescale.com/investor-relations/stock-information/stock-quote.aspx
[20:13:03] <_methods> buy freescale stock first thing in the morning lol
[20:13:06] <_methods> dump in the afternoon
[20:13:55] <CaptHindsight> http://investors.nxp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=209114&p=irol-stockchart
[20:14:31] <CaptHindsight> both are nearly triple their price form 1-2 years ago
[20:14:54] <_methods> yeah
[20:16:49] <CaptHindsight> the Chinese have been making their own ARM and micros the past few years
[20:17:20] <_methods> yeah
[20:17:34] <_methods> those esp8266's are fully chinese aren't they?
[20:17:44] <CaptHindsight> maybe they had to merge to compete with Allwinner, MediaTek, Rockchip etc
[20:17:53] <XXCoder> furrywolf: its done, the van
[20:17:58] <XXCoder> your suggestion worked
[20:18:01] <CaptHindsight> TI lost out on ARM for smartphones
[20:18:07] <_methods> yeah
[20:24:43] <dirty_d> furrywolf, thats weird
[20:25:27] <dirty_d> furrywolf, does it maybe rely on the cables inductance for a buck converter?
[20:25:40] <dirty_d> i wouldnt think ther would be enough to be useful though
[20:28:08] <furrywolf> I don't think it has a buck converter... it's a 5A charger that weighs 5lbs, so I suspect it has a regular mains transformer.
[20:32:40] <furrywolf> bbl
[21:24:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150301-low-cost-metal-3d-printing-made-possible-with-electroplating-technology-and-prototype.html
[21:30:45] <LeelooMinai> I wonder why they show pictures of screws electroplated in a bucket? :)
[21:32:25] <CaptHindsight> to show children how it works
[21:32:40] <LeelooMinai> Or to confuse people:)
[21:32:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/low-cost-metal-3d-printing-made-possible-with-electroplating-technology-and-prototype.jpg is the diagram of what he's doing
[21:33:56] <LeelooMinai> I know what he is doing, but I bet many will think he made those screws on the pictures:)
[21:34:54] <XXCoder> screwy
[21:37:01] <CaptHindsight> whoever wrote the article probably did to
[22:11:42] <tjtr33> ssi, Jymmm did you look at latency on the dc7800 SFF?
[22:12:28] <tjtr33> what i saw https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n95e1h9qlj09cp2/AAA4g5Td3eGlicFJWh4cRWf4a?dl=0
[22:15:26] <furrywolf> I don't get it. what does replating the screws have anything to do with the printer?
[22:16:08] <XXCoder> dunno either
[22:16:41] <furrywolf> also, the plating looks like crap. methinks he has the electrical and/or chemical properties badly wrong.
[22:19:00] <furrywolf> grrrr. linode double-billed me.
[22:20:24] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261475587095 what do you figure the odds are that the bulb is either 50W or 4500lm?
[22:21:45] <XXCoder> meh just get 3 led 1600 lumen blubs
[22:21:56] <XXCoder> here I can buy em for $20 each
[22:22:29] <XXCoder> my room currently has 3 1100 lumen bulbs (similiar to 60w), bought at $5 each
[22:23:00] <furrywolf> well, if it's real, 4500lm for $15 is cheaper than 1600lm for $20...
[22:23:24] <XXCoder> yeah but then standard bulb shapem not that huge cyl
[22:23:45] <furrywolf> this part of my living room has two 1600lm led bulbs... got them at costco. think they were $18 or so.
[22:23:57] <furrywolf> they're standard bulb shape, but scaled up a non-trivial amount.
[22:24:33] <XXCoder> my 60w is completely standard. I use 3 for room and another 2 for alarm
[22:24:38] <XXCoder> love em
[22:25:06] <furrywolf> yeah, I have 60w ones that are standard a19 shape too. but I'm looking for bigger bulbs.
[22:25:19] <furrywolf> I have two fixtures with 2600lm CFLs in them, both of which could be brighter.
[22:25:36] <XXCoder> your costco also sell those 3500 lumen "forsecent lights" lights too>
[22:25:41] <XXCoder> $25 I think
[22:25:49] <XXCoder> I got 2 and plan to install em evenually
[22:26:03] <furrywolf> one lights up the walkway out front to the greenhouse, the other is an explosionproof fixture hanging over my batteries.
[22:26:28] <furrywolf> not sure what you mean. haven't seen any large fluorescent bulbs at costco here.
[22:26:52] <XXCoder> led ones
[22:27:05] <furrywolf> ... now I have even less idea what you mean.
[22:27:15] <XXCoder> well its like those tube lights
[22:27:21] <XXCoder> long 2 meter ones
[22:27:28] <XXCoder> only its led
[22:27:49] <furrywolf> hrmm. I've seen those advertised online, but never at costco.
[22:28:05] <XXCoder> maybe they still has em there. here its out I think
[22:28:26] <furrywolf> I go to costco pretty often... don't think they've ever had them.
[22:28:30] <XXCoder> oh $40
[22:28:40] <XXCoder> here has special city pay some money
[22:28:54] <XXCoder> https://i.imgur.com/blmWVrC.jpg
[22:29:00] <XXCoder> not 2 meter my mistake
[22:29:54] <furrywolf> I assumed you meant 48" and were just demonstrating how the metric system has poorly-sized units. :)
[22:30:07] <XXCoder> lol
[22:30:17] <XXCoder> I tend to use SI units sometimes
[22:30:55] <XXCoder> those lights are more "pure" than forsecent ones so you see better colors with those so I love it
[22:32:05] <furrywolf> they sound nice, but $40 for 38 watts is a lot more than a19 bulbs... costco here is currently selling 3-packs of 9w, 800lm bulbs for $10.99.
[22:32:34] <XXCoder> that would be same here if city didnt pay basically half of all led lights cost
[22:32:36] <furrywolf> that's $17 for the same amount of light
[22:35:30] <furrywolf> the other half of the living room has two 48t12 fixtures that I stuck up for extra light while working on projects... would like to LED them, but too expensive. I'll probably end up pulling them out and just sticking regular fixtures up.
[22:35:34] <XXCoder> good for garage though
[22:35:55] * furrywolf doesn't have a garage
[22:35:58] <XXCoder> I really need to put up two I own
[22:36:43] <furrywolf> also, are they good for a garage? spare bulbs are getting annoyingly expensive, they don't start in cold weather, the colors always suck...
[22:37:16] <XXCoder> yeah current lights there really suck - CFLs dont turn on fully for over minute
[22:37:20] <furrywolf> http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11981046&whse=BD_823&Ne=5000000%204000000&eCat=BD_823|97443|97470&N=4058751%205000105&Mo=0&No=0&Nr=P_CatalogName:BD_823&lang=en-US&topnav=bd also, looks like it's an entire replacement fixture, not just tube-shaped LED lamps.
[22:37:27] <XXCoder> it is
[22:37:33] <XXCoder> comes with its wire mounts
[22:37:44] <furrywolf> ... I'm quite sure you called it a tube light...
[22:38:04] <XXCoder> yeah looked like one, recently learned its whole fixture
[22:38:17] <furrywolf> bah, and only available in cool white.
[22:38:32] * furrywolf considers the longer part of the spectrum to be useful too
[22:39:42] <XXCoder> I guess costco just wanted those because cheap or something
[22:41:53] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20W-SMD-2000Lms-4ft-T8-LED-Tube-3000-4500K-G13-2-yrs-USA-SELLER-Warranty-/221553819913 I thought you were talking about those, when you said tube lights
[22:43:05] <furrywolf> "Double ended and Single ended tubes are require to bypass ballast if you are planning to install on the existing fluorescent tube fixture." ... that kinda defeats the point...
[22:44:39] <furrywolf> if I have to pull it apart and rewire, I might as well change the fixture.
[22:50:13] <furrywolf> can you even legally run mains directly to those bipin connectors without a power-limiting ballast?
[22:50:50] <furrywolf> I'm fairly sure they're not rated for 20A, nor can you use the #22 or whatever they are wires...
[22:53:46] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6PCS-LOT-LED-TUBE-4ft-1-2M-compatible-with-inductive-ballast-fluorescent-fixture-/261785052721 seems reasonably priced
[22:56:39] <furrywolf> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxMjAw/z/R4gAAOSwstxU7c5s/$_57.JPG I bought one of those the other day... just for coolness factor.
[22:57:09] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251810222083 they're not much more money than regular led bulbs
[23:10:53] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:11:19] <MacGalempsy_> latera
[23:18:51] <zeeshan> Connor: you there?
[23:20:07] <Connor> zeeshan: Whats up?
[23:20:32] <zeeshan> hey dude
[23:20:39] <zeeshan> did you have issues with the lmb2008 end supports?
[23:20:52] <Connor> In what way?
[23:21:00] <zeeshan> backlash
[23:21:17] <Connor> You need to get some shims.. but, yes.. I did.. they were bored out too deep.
[23:21:25] <zeeshan> see im a bit confused
[23:21:33] <zeeshan> you know the black bushings?
[23:21:39] <Connor> yes.
[23:21:39] <zeeshan> [ | | ]
[23:21:48] <zeeshan> [ = black bushing | bearing
[23:22:00] <zeeshan> dont the black bushings preload the bearingd
[23:22:20] <zeeshan> when you tighten the square nut at the end
[23:22:24] <Connor> No.
[23:22:33] <Connor> because they're only on the inner race.
[23:22:35] <zeeshan> can you explain why not?
[23:23:00] * zeeshan tries to imagine
[23:23:15] <Connor> the outer race contacts the bearing block. So, the bearings can move back and forth in the pocket.
[23:23:28] <zeeshan> ahhh
[23:23:29] <zeeshan> that makes sense!
[23:23:43] <zeeshan> i changed to a double ball nut
[23:23:47] <Connor> So, put shims between the bearings, or on the outside to take out the slack.
[23:23:48] <zeeshan> and i havbe the same amount of backlash
[23:23:56] <zeeshan> so i carefully measured the end play
[23:24:04] <zeeshan> and theres the same amount as the amount of backlash im getting
[23:24:09] <zeeshan> and whats weird is the backlash isn't constant.
[23:24:13] <zeeshan> sometimes its there, sometimes its not
[23:24:20] <Connor> Slip-n-stick
[23:24:59] <zeeshan> did you preload the bearings
[23:25:01] <zeeshan> using the shim
[23:25:37] <Connor> You can adjust the preload if you have ENOUGH shim by tightening up the 4 screws on the face of the bearing block.
[23:25:47] <MacGalempsy_> i got a double ball nut
[23:26:36] <Connor> That's why I like bearing pockets that have a shoulder on the inside.. then the preload is handled by the main nut and no way you get lash from the bearings.
[23:27:31] <Connor> They really should supply some shims with those bearing blocks..
[23:27:33] <zeeshan> did you get these:
[23:27:42] <MacGalempsy_> dees nuts?
[23:29:13] <zeeshan> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-shims/=w4nf6b
[23:29:39] <Connor> Yup.
[23:29:47] <zeeshan> hm
[23:29:52] <zeeshan> i wonder if my fasterner store will have
[23:29:54] <Connor> Just get some that have a big enough ID so that the bushings pass through.
[23:30:10] <zeeshan> you didnt push the bushings
[23:30:12] <zeeshan> between the bearings?
[23:30:15] <zeeshan> i mean the shims
[23:30:16] <Connor> you only want the outer race contacting them.
[23:30:33] <Connor> Either way.. you just don't want the inner race to rub against them.
[23:31:43] <XXCoder> damn I hate changing shift from morning to afternoon
[23:31:56] <XXCoder> its 9 pm and my body is saying "bed time now!"
[23:32:12] <MacGalempsy_> XXCoder: I been on graves for almost 3 years now
[23:32:25] <XXCoder> grave shift is grave to me
[23:32:33] <XXCoder> I cant do that shit anymore lol
[23:32:45] <MacGalempsy_> changing from vacation back to graves is a beeotch
[23:34:44] <XXCoder> I bet
[23:35:51] <MacGalempsy_> the trick is to never go on vacation ;)
[23:36:09] <XXCoder> lol
[23:36:17] <MacGalempsy_> I work every day when on a stint. last year i went 109 days straigth
[23:36:28] <XXCoder> its "for now" or do you plan to stay on
[23:36:49] <MacGalempsy_> been trying to get on days for a while, but since the industry is in a slump, I cant go making demands
[23:37:42] <MacGalempsy_> the only thing I could do to survive was plan every vacation on 1/1, so like 5 weeks on, then 10 days off
[23:38:03] <MacGalempsy_> by the time vacation comes, its like, IM GOING TO VEGAS
[23:40:48] <XXCoder> lol havent been at vegas since 2008
[23:55:11] <bobo_> zeeshan : are you still looking at too pre-set/locate for mill an lathe ? lathe= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb0IQPHbU0g , mill = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ursqfoi8B30
[23:55:39] <bobo_> tool