#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-28

[00:01:22] <bobo_> touch off the tip of the endmill ,to me sounds as if refering to tool length ----to tye in Z axis location of tool
[00:03:52] <XXCoder> tool zero
[00:04:17] <XXCoder> still gonna learn how to decide where tool zeros should be so its all consisent
[00:04:36] <XXCoder> for example at one cnc mill zero is 4 inches up from table
[00:04:48] <XXCoder> on other machine it's 4 inches up from kurt jaws
[00:07:57] <bobo_> may be 4" for clear space . not hit stuff if X -----Y move
[00:40:36] <adam3999> evening
[00:40:48] <XXCoder> hey
[00:40:58] <XXCoder> playing with solvespace heh fun program
[00:42:01] <adam3999> looks interesting, features page says g-code CAM is built in
[00:44:38] <XXCoder> http://solvespace.com/2d.pl
[00:44:42] <XXCoder> doing this tutorial now
[00:51:26] <archivist> MacGalempsy, finding the encoder docs is best
[01:09:47] <MacGalempsy> archivist: got it figured out
[01:10:14] <MacGalempsy> there is a conductivity loop probably as a check to make sure the axis is plugged in
[01:38:29] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you around tonight man?
[01:38:48] <zeeshan> i'm always around! :P
[01:38:56] <zeeshan> im working on this toolerchanger code
[01:38:57] <zeeshan> being a pain
[01:39:01] <zeeshan> sup
[01:39:04] <MacGalempsy> circular or linear?
[01:39:13] <zeeshan> ?!
[01:39:23] <zeeshan> manual tool changer
[01:39:25] <MacGalempsy> is it a rotating carriage, or a stairght bar?
[01:41:43] <MacGalempsy> oh.
[01:41:49] <MacGalempsy> ok
[01:42:08] <zeeshan> =]
[01:42:39] <MacGalempsy> been working on getting this a-axis going
[01:42:51] <MacGalempsy> finally got it pinned out
[01:43:19] <MacGalempsy> trying to cleanup the wiring a bit
[01:46:26] <zeeshan> is it a 4 axis machine?
[02:14:55] <Deejay> moin
[02:19:07] <zeeshan-mill> yea baby!
[02:19:10] <zeeshan-mill> tool changer working
[02:19:12] <zeeshan-mill> safely
[02:29:44] <Cromaglious> ugh.. spent most of my morning fighting inkscape, makercam.com, and Mach3
[02:30:01] <Cromaglious> finally just hand coded it
[02:31:55] <Cromaglious> the 1/4" corncob seemed dull, and at 1pm I finally went back to a 1/8" end mill now I have to record the file to handle 2 passes I guess the slots will be 0.23 across
[02:34:24] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: yeah. the 4th axis has a quick disconnect
[02:35:02] <Cromaglious> I really could have used a vacuum table today
[02:41:33] <Cromaglious> I really wish there was a g code Gxxx Clockwise cut, I## J## A### ; A for angle
[02:41:52] <Cromaglious> I J being the pivotpoint
[02:42:09] <Cromaglious> X Y is current DRO
[02:42:30] <Cromaglious> and a CCE version
[02:42:51] <Cromaglious> CCW
[02:43:10] <Cromaglious> morn anarchos
[02:44:00] <Cromaglious> I really wish there was a g code Gxxx Clockwise cut, I## J## A### ; A for angle, I J is pivot, X Y is DRO, and a CCW version as well
[02:45:05] <Cromaglious> g0 X## Y##
[02:45:16] <Cromaglious> G1 Z-##
[02:46:44] <Cromaglious> Gx I pivotX J PivotY ((K) pivotZ) A### hmmm CCW is just A-###
[02:50:25] <Cromaglious> G0 X0 Y4; G1 Z-1.125; Gx I4 J4 K2.875 A 39.2
[02:52:22] <Cromaglious> travel would always be started at 90 degrees to the start point and the pivot
[02:57:29] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: wish I had relays today! lol
[03:44:53] <archivist> by hand coding you can nearly always control where you start and run to
[05:48:40] <MacGalempsy> question. this allen bradley manual for the VFD says the current rating is 10mA maximum. does that mean any input higher than 10mA will burn it up?
[05:50:07] <archivist> max is a "safe" limit
[05:50:34] <MacGalempsy> 10mA seems pretty small
[05:50:45] <archivist> anything above reduces reliability
[05:52:29] <MacGalempsy> there are 3 inputs that have a 10mA max. should I get a 10mA powersupply and use a relay ?
[05:53:43] <archivist> keep within the voltage spec and you likely cannot go over the current spec
[05:54:04] <archivist> the input resistance will be sensible
[05:58:55] <MacGalempsy> ok, so if I use the same 24v power supply for field power to power the I/O on the VFD, then it should be ok?
[06:00:02] <archivist> we can only know yes no is we have read the vfd manual
[06:01:29] <MacGalempsy> the note in the VFD manual states "Power for the I/O must be supplied by an external 12-24v VDC poewr source
[06:02:23] <MacGalempsy> I will use that to run to the I/O Power and I/O common
[09:26:49] <Cromaglious> morning
[09:42:32] <Cromaglious> morning
[09:57:05] <JT-Shop> there seems to be an echo in here
[09:57:15] <Cromaglious> morning
[09:57:30] <Cromaglious> hehe
[09:59:52] <Tom_itx> 18°F and snow
[10:00:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i was ok with you not sharing that
[10:01:28] <jthornton> not much better here, 20F and snowing lightly
[10:01:56] <Tom_itx> ~4-5 here but supposed to snow all day
[10:02:45] <jthornton> yuck
[10:03:04] <furrywolf> got a lot of rain here yesterday, but it seems to have cleared up, and the sun is just peeking over the hills now.
[10:03:23] <Cromaglious> 59 and chance most likely of rain today
[10:03:44] <Cromaglious> had a bit of a shower yesterday
[10:03:56] <furrywolf> I wasn't planning on yard saling today, due to all the rain, but it looks like it's shaping up to be a nice day.
[10:06:49] <Cromaglious> looking through the garage last night I found 2 more steppers, a nema 17 and a nema 23
[10:07:49] <furrywolf> I wish I had a garage. :(
[10:08:24] <Cromaglious> WIsh I had a shop and a garage... I have a store room right now w/ a garage door
[10:08:57] <furrywolf> I have a living room and a storage unit.
[10:09:11] <furrywolf> workbench is in the living room, with pegboard screwed to the wall...
[10:09:42] <Cromaglious> getting that ebay Precitech Lever touch probe / gage head (2) for parts
[10:13:15] <Cromaglious> laters, load-in today for 'Moon over Buffalo' at Baily's Winery in Temecula, CA, USofA, Sol, Solat
[10:19:56] <archivist> furrywolf, stuff in the house I erm...approve of I have lathes in the kitchen
[10:20:33] <furrywolf> heh, I have my little sherline lathe in the living room.
[10:21:12] <archivist> living room for me has the electronics bench and book shelves
[10:22:02] <furrywolf> my living room workbench is a general-purpose workbench... it has my big wilton vise on one end, and my lambda adjustable power supply on the other...
[10:24:59] <archivist> running out of space is a real problem though
[10:28:08] <furrywolf> yep
[10:28:33] <furrywolf> I have stacks of plastic totes a few feet in front of the workbench...
[10:29:42] <alex4nder> this sounds like toolhoarders anonymous
[10:29:48] <archivist> same problem, I now number them and have barcodes and a map to where they are and what is in them
[10:30:26] <archivist> books and manuals and info
[10:30:36] <furrywolf> alex_joni: archivist is the toolhorder. I just have no space.
[10:30:39] <furrywolf> grr
[10:30:47] <furrywolf> alex4nder: archivist is the toolhorder. I just have no space.
[10:31:20] <Jymmm> Holy crap on a cracker... http://www.gastonglockstyle.com/knives/tirpitz/
[10:32:02] <alex4nder> furrywolf: I TIG weld in the living room, and have a mill in a nearby closet.
[10:32:27] <furrywolf> lol
[10:32:35] <furrywolf> my welder lives outside. no room inside.
[10:33:53] <archivist> had to tip a welding job upside down to get it out the garage http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_15_glass_trolley/IMG_1526.JPG
[10:34:59] <furrywolf> I hope one day to be able to afford a house with a garage. :(
[10:35:35] <archivist> property is cheaper over there
[10:36:03] <furrywolf> ... where are you, san francisco? because property here is more expensive than most anywhere in the country...
[10:36:16] <archivist> I am in the UK
[10:36:38] <alex4nder> property is cheap,.. it's finding a well-paying job near the property that's hard
[10:37:05] <alex4nder> also reasonable weather
[10:37:11] <furrywolf> a small lot with a rundown shack is around $100,000 here...
[10:37:21] <alex4nder> that's pretty cheap
[10:37:24] <alex4nder> where are you?
[10:37:54] <archivist> that would be 300000 over here probably
[10:38:10] <archivist> small over there is large here
[10:38:42] <furrywolf> perhaps, but most jobs here pay under $9/hour.
[10:38:51] <alex4nder> archivist: what area of the uk are you in?
[10:39:04] <archivist> Midlands
[10:39:12] <alex4nder> ah cool
[10:39:40] <XXCoder> morning
[10:40:07] <alex4nder> morning
[10:41:25] <archivist> hmm this makes me fall off my chair http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Rolleston-On-Dove.html
[10:41:26] <alex4nder> anyone have any clue where gecko is buying their US-made steppers?
[10:41:55] <alex4nder> archivist: laughing or in fear?
[10:42:21] <XXCoder> cheap.
[10:42:26] <XXCoder> for millionaires. lol
[10:43:18] <Jymmm> 900-TAC-TALK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo (Sadly, I think it's actually real)
[10:43:28] <archivist> impossible to pay off the 2 thirds I dont own though
[10:43:57] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I can belive that
[10:44:06] <XXCoder> lots ammosexuals out there
[10:44:12] <alex4nder> haha
[10:44:47] <alex4nder> that's hilarious
[10:45:05] <cradek> is "discuss 5.11 pants" a euphemism for something?
[10:45:09] <Jymmm> lol, amosexuals
[10:45:30] <alex4nder> this needs more noveske
[10:45:32] <XXCoder> I wish I can claim I invented that word. I did but I wasnt first lol
[10:46:13] <Jymmm> =)
[10:47:43] <XXCoder> fracking ammosexuals :P
[10:48:19] <cradek> Jymmm: what's PT?
[10:49:26] <Jymmm> I *think* they're referncing "Physical Training
[10:49:37] <alex4nder> yah
[10:49:43] <alex4nder> mall ninjas don't like PT
[10:51:47] * alex4nder opens a mesa electronics shipment
[10:52:50] <alex4nder> damn, the 7I76E is a nice looking piece of hardware
[10:53:01] <Jymmm> cradek: It's liek PE in school but with a 80lb pack and a log around your neck =)
[10:53:18] <Jymmm> cradek: ....and at 3am
[11:00:15] <XXCoder> fun. glad I'm not in pt, I has enough fun health issues as is lol
[11:03:57] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMArUuHXDI
[11:04:01] <XXCoder> smoke something lol
[11:05:11] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4C5804B6D1FD8B96&v=GLZdnR7Nkus after that trip lol
[11:06:15] <alex4nder> hmm, what kind of tram should I be trying for over 12"? my DTI is showing < ~0.00033 .. I can't really measure better than that
[11:06:28] <alex4nder> (this is on X, relatively to an ER16 spindle)
[11:06:39] <alex4nder> is that good enough for a nice flycut finish?
[11:13:02] <XXCoder> whoa
[11:13:13] <XXCoder> 3001 will be made into mini series
[11:13:41] <XXCoder> there was plans for 2061 and 3001 movies but rejected. too bad
[11:13:54] <XXCoder> not rejected just stopped
[11:14:18] <archivist> alex4nder, finish is a rigidity problem
[11:14:37] <alex4nder> archivist: ah, then I guess I'll find out
[11:14:58] <archivist> different can of worms
[11:16:30] <archivist> .00033 parallel over your span, is what you are measuring and that can change under load
[11:17:12] <alex4nder> yah, I'm already seeing measured flex when torquing fasteners with a DTI in the spindle
[11:17:21] <archivist> you can test that by having the dti in contact and pressing on the top of the spindle housing
[11:17:30] <alex4nder> exactly
[11:18:17] <archivist> it is why industrial machines have huge box columns
[11:19:24] <ssi> archivist: I have this goofy finish problem:
[11:19:24] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yC4T8IQAA81K2.jpg:large
[11:19:43] <ssi> and I guess it's cause I'm cutting that with a loooong 5/8" endmill
[11:20:03] <archivist> and it was noisy as hell
[11:20:04] <ssi> the one on the right was done with the world's dullest 4-tooth non center cutting endmill, and it took ages
[11:20:08] <ssi> yeah
[11:20:18] <ssi> the one on the left was done with a fresh sharp 3-tooth endmill
[11:20:33] <archivist> chatter and vibration, bending of the tool and machine
[11:21:08] <ssi> is there any way to improve it in that scenario tho?
[11:21:52] <archivist> also you can try climb (digs in) and conventional (pushes tool out)
[11:22:06] <ssi> well side cutting doesn't work for crap
[11:22:11] <ssi> so I have been plunge cutting it
[11:22:12] <archivist> climd needs much more rigidity
[11:23:23] <archivist> climb gets a better finish if the machine and tool is up to the job else terrible
[11:23:27] <alex4nder> ssi: I ran into a similar problem when milling deep pockets in a 80% .. object.
[11:23:34] <ssi> lol
[11:23:43] <archivist> conventional can eat the chips
[11:23:45] <ssi> I've cut fire control group pockets before with no problem
[11:24:38] <alex4nder> I ended up writing a trochoidal milling plan, and going to a smaller endmill
[11:24:49] <alex4nder> and just managed my engagement that way
[11:24:57] <archivist> make a very rigid fly cutter type tool
[11:26:06] <archivist> Sandvik make some extendable milling tools for deep work
[11:26:26] <ssi> I don't see how that could be more rigid
[11:26:34] <ssi> since the shank will necessarily be long and skinny
[11:28:35] <archivist> this google image search sandvik coromant deep milling extension will show what they recommend, but their site is not working properly at the moment (upgrade)
[11:28:54] <archivist> http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJIWTq8Sp1FBqCNy5pTZ5NUZa9bDfWmwY22e_Eu8CB31ET7vLBo3t3FJE
[11:30:07] <archivist> part of the capto range I think
[11:32:40] <archivist> trick it to be as close to the walls with as large a diameter mill on the end of the extension
[11:33:56] <ssi> I see
[11:33:57] <archivist> its working again http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/knowledge/milling/application_overview/profile_milling/application_checklist/pages/default.aspx
[11:34:00] <ssi> sounds expensive :)
[11:34:30] <archivist> or make your own :)
[11:36:16] <archivist> so make an old style lathe round boring bar but shove it in the spindle of the mill
[11:36:36] <ssi> boring bar might actually work well
[11:37:08] <archivist> some fiddling needed but cheap
[11:42:50] <zeeshan> i like that diagram
[11:42:53] <zeeshan> showing point milling
[11:43:45] <archivist> ssi some of the sandvik extensions have damping, you could wrap your bar in some soggy mass (lead)
[11:43:54] <ssi> lol
[11:44:03] <archivist> or use tubing with lead in
[11:44:49] <archivist> play with your rake too
[11:45:00] <ssi> I don't want to go blind
[11:45:11] <zeeshan> ??
[11:45:17] <ssi> never mind
[11:53:37] <zeeshan> where the hell is summer
[11:53:45] <zeeshan> i need to do some shifting in the garage which requires moving stuff to driveway for a bit
[11:56:55] <furrywolf> I'm doing some shifting in the enclosed porch, which required stacking stuff on the grass with a tarp over it because it was raining.
[11:57:42] <zeeshan> what temp is it there
[11:58:53] <furrywolf> 48F outside, 55F inside. nice and warm. but it rained all day the last two days...
[11:59:25] <furrywolf> >90% RH outside (the highest my weather station reads), 70% RH inside
[12:00:10] <zeeshan> at least its not stupid cold
[12:00:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RDvlXZi.jpg
[12:00:22] <zeeshan> :-)
[12:00:32] <zeeshan> i know the answer
[12:00:37] <zeeshan> :D
[12:00:48] <zeeshan> at first look i was like 'wtf'
[12:01:20] <furrywolf> ... which way is the tool moving? if to the left, it's smearing, not cutting, and has no rake..
[12:01:35] <zeeshan> you can tell which way its moving
[12:01:38] <zeeshan> by the chip curl
[12:01:41] <furrywolf> or no edge, or something
[12:01:53] <furrywolf> it's mushing, not cutting. lol
[12:02:02] <zeeshan> thats how chips are formed..
[12:02:07] <zeeshan> but theres something wrong with the chip :P
[12:02:29] <zeeshan> the chip thickness has to be larger than the feed
[12:02:34] <zeeshan> (feed is the depth of cut in this pic)
[12:03:31] <furrywolf> I guess it's on a different scale than I was thinking.
[12:04:16] <furrywolf> I was thinking it was a deep cut with a very blunt tool.
[12:09:26] <archivist> it has negative rake, which is a bit silly for a lot of metals
[12:09:54] <zeeshan> cutting geomtry is fine
[12:10:00] <zeeshan> we don't know the base metal
[12:10:07] <zeeshan> so we can't comment on whether that is good or bad
[12:10:15] <archivist> sure you can
[12:10:25] <zeeshan> we dont even know if this is some silly fragile cutting tool material
[12:10:35] <zeeshan> that does require a negative rake to increase the tip strength
[12:10:56] <zeeshan> how can you tell what the work piece material is?
[12:11:20] <archivist> because we dont know the material we also cannot know why the simulation is wrong!
[12:11:26] <zeeshan> you can
[12:11:29] * furrywolf decides it's a butter knife cutting tofu
[12:11:35] <zeeshan> chip thickness has to be larger then
[12:11:42] <zeeshan> the chip feed
[12:11:47] <furrywolf> what if the material is compressable?
[12:11:53] <zeeshan> due to conservation of plastic deformation
[12:12:04] <zeeshan> conservation of volume in plastic deformation
[12:12:22] <archivist> you should watch some of the youtube slomo cutting vids
[12:12:39] <zeeshan> i have
[12:12:45] <zeeshan> my prof made a few of those :P
[12:13:05] <archivist> you dont know the speed of the chip v base so cannot know the volume
[12:13:25] <zeeshan> you dont need to
[12:13:29] <zeeshan> the depth of cut in that pic
[12:13:30] <zeeshan> is the feed
[12:13:36] <zeeshan> youre looking at 1 snap shot
[12:13:41] <zeeshan> so feed isn't a function of time
[12:13:46] <zeeshan> its just a distance
[12:14:05] <furrywolf> cutting wood on a lathe is quite common. wood is compressable. I don't see how you make any assumptions on the chip size.
[12:14:14] <archivist> I know, the speed of the vertical chip could be twice the cut feed
[12:14:22] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the course is called metal cutting
[12:14:24] <zeeshan> not wood cutting
[12:14:38] * furrywolf hands zeeshan a block of nickel foam
[12:15:06] <archivist> brass really flies out from a cut
[12:15:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oKqM5Nk.jpg
[12:15:28] <zeeshan> answer
[12:16:17] <furrywolf> yep, answer. the tools shown in the answer all have proper rake. :P
[12:19:05] <furrywolf> bbl, going to try a few yard sales.
[12:19:23] <zeeshan> get me stuff!
[12:19:45] <furrywolf> there's not many... two days of rain tends to make them go away.
[12:20:00] <zeeshan> i need another angle grinder
[12:20:07] <zeeshan> one dedicated for cutting
[12:20:14] <zeeshan> one for grinding, and one for flappy discs
[12:21:21] <furrywolf> heh, I had that, until one melted.
[12:21:21] <furrywolf> bbl
[12:54:19] <Swapper> hi, im trying to connect an external e-stop relay that is connected serialy to the other e-stop functions. Cant realy understand what pin to use for Linuxcnc to be able to do a "external" e-stop
[12:54:37] <Swapper> i have tried net estop-out hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-07
[12:55:04] <archivist> an input?
[12:55:17] <zeeshan> swapper you mean
[12:55:18] <Swapper> the e-stop input works
[12:55:30] <zeeshan> when you press the e-stop button in linuxcnc
[12:55:32] <zeeshan> it does an e-stop?
[12:55:38] <Swapper> i whant linuxcnc to be able to trip my external e-stop chain
[12:55:43] <Swapper> that kills the main contactor
[12:55:44] <zeeshan> okay
[12:56:16] <Swapper> im using loadrt estop_latch
[12:56:22] <Swapper> that i found in a wiki
[12:56:56] <Swapper> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/external-estop.html
[12:58:37] <Swapper> zeeshan: it does do a e-stop but its only "soft" e-stop since it kills the enable signals only
[12:58:42] <Swapper> not the powerfeed
[12:58:55] <zeeshan> i honestly didnt give power to linuxcnc to do a full e-stop
[12:59:08] <zeeshan> it having control over enables was good enough
[12:59:20] <Swapper> ok maybe im overdoin it
[12:59:20] <zeeshan> and 7i77 drops sets all outputs to low
[12:59:25] <zeeshan> if the clock fails
[12:59:29] <zeeshan> (watchdog)
[12:59:33] <Swapper> yea
[12:59:46] <zeeshan> it certainly wont hurt you to hook it up to linuxcnc
[12:59:47] <Swapper> maybe its fine with setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-07 true
[13:00:02] <Swapper> atleast then the power goes out if i close linuxcnc
[13:01:52] <zeeshan> i dont like the ideas
[13:01:58] <zeeshan> of power cycling the electronics
[13:02:09] * zeeshan has had bad experience with blowing up drives :(
[13:02:20] <Swapper> ok
[13:02:31] <zeeshan> use e-stop sparingly! :P
[13:02:52] <Swapper> but if a drive goes nuts cuse a line got +10v or smotin
[13:02:54] <Swapper> somtin
[13:03:07] <Swapper> but then ok enables will go low
[13:04:06] <Swapper> thanx for the feedback!
[13:04:08] <Swapper> bbl
[13:07:08] <XXCoder> everyone, smoke some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAkOdL7E3gM
[13:07:11] <XXCoder> better video
[13:35:38] <hetii> Hi :)
[13:35:56] <hetii> I start to build my first cnc: http://www.cnc.info.pl/files/thumbs/xt_img_20150228_153646_434.jpg.pagespeed.ic.rzbZRgD6NS.jpg
[13:36:54] <hetii> How do you think, will be enought stable to make a PCB and some small front panel in aluminium ?
[13:37:29] <hetii> http://www.cnc.info.pl/files/thumbs/t_img_20150228_153612_358.jpg.pagespeed.ce.nE5l2IDnQB.jpg
[13:37:59] <hetii> http://www.cnc.info.pl/files/thumbs/xt_img_20150228_154359_298.jpg.pagespeed.ic.n9nMK22ai7.jpg
[13:52:21] <hetii> I`m able to get into: Android system recovery <3e>
[13:53:21] <hetii> but the down button also don`t respond, maybe when I find the reason I be able to use "restore user data" and then somehow enable by this option usb debbuging
[14:00:42] <hetii> sorry wrong #
[14:10:59] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/16nm-zynq-soc-mixes-cortex-a53-fpga-cortex-r5/ new Zynq with Cortex-A53, FPGA, Cortex-R5 and Mali gpu
[14:11:17] <CaptHindsight> this might be able to run Linuxcnc on its own, no PC required
[14:14:31] <Tom_itx> round #2 on the drive and walks done...
[14:27:35] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It looks like it would make a beast of an automaton too.
[14:38:21] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: but the first gen was expensive ~$100 for the dual cortex-a9 and no GPU
[14:38:38] <CaptHindsight> if this is the same price or less it would be nice
[14:58:05] <ssi> ugh the sounds of nascar fill the air, and I can't get away from them :'(
[15:04:44] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: that whole line of chips looks great
[15:11:30] <pcw_home> probably > $100 since its a Kintex/Virtex family part
[15:20:42] <JT-Shop> new burner tube test a success :)
[15:21:25] <cnc1> Deutsche hier ??
[15:22:06] * zeeshan needs more 3/4 in end mill holders
[15:22:40] <adam3999> hey guys
[15:33:48] <Computer_Barf> do people ever mill sterling silver jewelry?
[15:34:49] <zeeshan> anyone need fadal pull studs? :D
[15:34:53] <cradek> I have done that many times
[15:35:02] <Computer_Barf> I would imagine it would be important to recover the chips
[15:35:08] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/01408982148
[15:35:17] <zeeshan> cradek
[15:35:19] <zeeshan> that looks great
[15:35:30] <cradek> nah, sterling is cheap as (unusually expensive) dirt
[15:36:01] <cradek> if you did a ton of it, sure, but for an occasional one-off I have never bothered to figure out who will do the recovery for me
[15:36:15] <cradek> zeeshan: thanks! it turned out really nice.
[15:36:34] <Computer_Barf> I would think if you put it in a small graphite crucible and hit it with propane you could make bead
[15:36:49] <Computer_Barf> that piece looks very nice , good work
[15:37:04] <cradek> sure you could make it back into a blob if it was very clean
[15:37:40] <cradek> I made sterling glasses frames, and I milled the hinge parts
[15:37:44] <cradek> no pics, sorry
[15:38:36] <cradek> what's your project?
[15:38:43] <Computer_Barf> ive been kind of depressed lately about the cost of cam software
[15:39:32] <alex4nder> Computer_Barf: you tried out hsmexpress for solidworks or invetor?
[15:39:33] <alex4nder> +n
[15:39:34] <Computer_Barf> I'm building a cnc'd g0704 , I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the electronics portion as I already have the mechanical stuff
[15:39:51] <alex4nder> also fusion360 has it integrated into their web version now
[15:39:58] <Computer_Barf> well I keep trying to get myself a copy of solidworks
[15:40:05] <ssi> too bad fusion360 seems to be a turd
[15:40:20] <alex4nder> ssi: what's wrong with it?
[15:40:23] <Computer_Barf> I would really like to get bobcad because eventually I am going to add more axis's
[15:40:27] <ssi> it's laggy as hell
[15:40:59] <Computer_Barf> I just don't have 3 something grand for solidworks
[15:41:06] <cradek> I've never heard a single good word about bobcacd
[15:41:16] <ssi> lol
[15:41:27] <alex4nder> I tried fusion 360 on my mac, and it seemed ok
[15:41:42] <ssi> it hasn't been particularly ok for me
[15:41:53] <ssi> also everyone keeps talking about a free startup version but mine doesn't have that option
[15:41:54] <Computer_Barf> well perhaps you could recommend one that I can expand into 4th, 5th axis later
[15:42:15] <zeeshan> who buys software
[15:42:18] * zeeshan hides
[15:42:21] <TTN> lol
[15:42:22] <ssi> lul
[15:42:25] <TTN> tried freecad?
[15:42:39] <zeeshan> isn't buying software for big corporations :)
[15:43:04] <TTN> get the latest version you can find. something higher or equal to v0.14
[15:43:08] <ssi> I have no problem buying software so long as it's good and priced sanely
[15:43:19] <zeeshan> the pricing on real cad software
[15:43:24] <zeeshan> isn't for average joe..
[15:43:30] <ssi> right
[15:43:32] <zeeshan> i really think only businsses can afford that
[15:43:42] <zeeshan> like solidworks student license is like $120
[15:43:43] <Computer_Barf> yes I have no problem buying software when It's actually possible for me
[15:43:46] <zeeshan> which i think is cheap
[15:43:48] <Computer_Barf> but damn some of the prices
[15:43:52] <zeeshan> vs their 5000 real license
[15:44:05] <alex4nder> zeeshan: 99% of what I do can be expressed conversationally, so I eneded up writing ghettoCAM
[15:44:15] <Computer_Barf> yeah.. im not a student though..
[15:44:19] <zeeshan> you can be
[15:44:24] <zeeshan> its easy :p
[15:44:36] <Computer_Barf> you mean, just saying you are a student?
[15:44:51] <zeeshan> you can take a life training courses
[15:44:56] <zeeshan> and pay like 500 bux a year
[15:44:56] <zeeshan> haha
[15:45:04] <zeeshan> *life long
[15:45:21] <zeeshan> obvously if youre using the software to generate money
[15:45:26] <zeeshan> you should follow their license rules
[15:46:04] <zeeshan> i once went to a machine shop which i wll obviously not name
[15:46:09] <zeeshan> that had a dedicated computer for cad and cam
[15:46:10] <zeeshan> with no internet
[15:46:19] <zeeshan> i was curious why there was no internet
[15:46:27] <zeeshan> :-)
[15:46:38] <ssi> your mom has no internet
[15:46:40] <zeeshan> thats pretty illegal!
[15:46:45] <zeeshan> your face!
[15:46:50] <zeeshan> ssi
[15:46:54] <zeeshan> i forgot what i was going to build this weekend
[15:46:55] <zeeshan> fak.
[15:47:01] <ssi> come help me build things then
[15:47:02] <zeeshan> i was so excited to build it too
[15:47:02] <zeeshan> haha
[15:47:04] <Computer_Barf> I tried getting solidworks torrents , seems cracks just arn't what they used to be.
[15:47:04] <ssi> hurry up
[15:48:48] <zeeshan> ssi
[15:48:49] <zeeshan> you come help me
[15:48:58] <zeeshan> i think ill work on the car today
[15:49:02] <ssi> ugh boring
[15:49:16] <zeeshan> you know whats boring
[15:49:19] <zeeshan> your fACE
[15:49:24] <zeeshan> go back to mr cool guy plane building
[15:49:25] <ssi> it's not boring
[15:49:28] <ssi> it's more like repulsive
[15:49:32] <ssi> but t hat's interesting at least
[15:49:37] <zeeshan> haha
[15:49:45] <zeeshan> dude i mentioned im gonna work on cars
[15:49:49] <zeeshan> and all the sudden i smell burning oil smell
[15:49:50] <zeeshan> in my noise
[15:49:53] <zeeshan> *nose
[15:49:58] <zeeshan> damn cars.
[15:50:02] <ssi> I hate when my noise smells like oil
[15:50:12] <ssi> I think I got epoxy in my eye
[15:50:21] <zeeshan> eek
[15:50:32] <Computer_Barf> If I plan on moving into 4th and 5th axis as I progress, what CAM should I seek?
[15:50:41] <ssi> 5th axis will never be cheap
[15:50:49] * TTN maximizes freecad and gets back to work..
[15:53:28] <zeeshan> ssi
[15:53:30] <zeeshan> is your hnc working?
[15:53:49] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/#
[15:54:00] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/Retention-Knobs-CAT40-Pull-Studs/c67_68/p1621/Pull-Stud-Hex-Head-4E-0110-%28-Deckel-,-Maho-%29/product_info.html
[15:54:04] <zeeshan> im thinking of building some of these
[15:54:15] <zeeshan> they are very expensive :/
[15:58:59] <Deejay> gn8
[15:59:12] <zeeshan> im not sure how to put that hex in.
[15:59:19] <zeeshan> it looks like these guys just took a cap screw
[15:59:27] <zeeshan> and threaded it in there
[16:08:49] <zeeshan> does anyone know how you put an internal hex on a metal piece?!
[16:08:55] <zeeshan> blind hole
[16:09:45] <Jymmm> like to hold a nut?
[16:09:51] <zeeshan> using the reuleaux technique?
[16:10:10] <Jymmm> two triangles 180deg apart =)
[16:10:21] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f14/120915d1414964540-retention-knob-tool-holder-compatability-deckel-pull-stud-metric.jpg
[16:10:25] <zeeshan> i think i might just ignore the hex
[16:10:32] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/images/PS-4E-0110-2.jpg
[16:10:34] <zeeshan> i want to do this..
[16:10:47] <zeeshan> it honestly looks like they just drove a hex head cap screw inthere
[16:10:47] <zeeshan> lol
[16:10:56] <alex4nder> yah
[16:11:00] <Jymmm> zeeshan: if you look at the points very closely, you'll see they are rounded
[16:11:12] <zeeshan> so they actually went in there
[16:11:14] <zeeshan> with a small end mill
[16:11:18] <zeeshan> and cleaned up the corners after drilling?
[16:11:30] <Jymmm> or just press ushed it
[16:11:41] <Jymmm> or molded it
[16:12:27] <zeeshan> i think flats makes sense..
[16:12:53] <Jymmm> whats that thing... berch tool
[16:12:53] <zeeshan> it just sucks cause youll likely need a crowfoot
[16:13:01] <zeeshan> to get torch wrench on it
[16:13:37] <Jymmm> think like a socket wrench
[16:13:42] <Jymmm> or allen screw
[16:13:43] <JT-Shop> I would never make pull studs
[16:13:45] <zeeshan> it wont fit
[16:13:56] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: why
[16:14:02] <Jymmm> zeeshan: are you trying to make a tool or part?
[16:14:09] <zeeshan> im trying to make the pull stud
[16:14:18] <JT-Shop> I don't have the proper heat treat oven and testing lab
[16:14:25] <zeeshan> i do
[16:14:30] <zeeshan> school facilities! :P
[16:14:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: pull stud for what?
[16:14:35] <zeeshan> tools
[16:14:42] <Jymmm> ?¿
[16:15:51] <JT-Shop> I thought once that I was going to make header punches... after a lot of time I learned a lot about making header punches
[16:16:11] <zeeshan> pull studs dont look like sorcery
[16:16:16] <zeeshan> mari tool and retention knob use 8620
[16:16:21] <zeeshan> which is case hardenable steel
[16:16:28] <zeeshan> so they keep the skin hard, the internal ductile
[16:16:45] <zeeshan> but then when you look at ARP fasteners
[16:16:53] <zeeshan> they'll use ultra high strength tool steel
[16:17:12] <zeeshan> and then theres the fancy pull studs by daishowa which is h13 with rolled threads
[16:17:26] <zeeshan> at the end of the day its just 3600 lb of force
[16:17:38] <zeeshan> if you have a factor of safety of 4 or 5
[16:17:40] <zeeshan> it should be safe enough
[16:18:14] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: Would it too hard to rotary-broach?
[16:19:33] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: im not sure, never tried making a hex before
[16:19:44] <zeeshan> only have done it w/ a broach you drive through
[16:19:49] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpWcl1BKVk is a typical way for blind holes.
[16:20:04] <zeeshan> https://rktorquetest.wordpress.com/test/
[16:20:11] <zeeshan> heres a review of usa made rentention knobs
[16:20:12] <FinboySlick> But I don't know how it lends itself to tough stuff.
[16:20:14] <zeeshan> that have their own problems..
[16:20:48] <zeeshan> mari tool is o nthere too
[16:21:37] * JT-Shop tries to think of something fun to do with a seed bag full of Styrofoam besides dumpster poaching
[16:22:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: how big a bag?
[16:22:52] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: got video camera?
[16:25:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Pile up the EPS into a mound. VERY VERY QUICKLY... Grab a laytex balloon or disposable glove and fill with 8 ounces of acetone. Inflate just slightly, tie tight and place on EPS mound and run like hell
[16:26:08] <Jymmm> HAve video camera on tripod running ahead of time
[16:27:54] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: keep it!
[16:27:59] <zeeshan> use it for shipping packages
[16:28:04] <Jymmm> EPS = Expanded polystyrene = Sytrafoam
[16:28:21] <JT-Shop> a seed bag full
[16:28:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: WTF is a seed bag?
[16:28:48] <JT-Shop> a bag that sunflower seeds come in
[16:29:07] <Jymmm> 5" x 5"
[16:29:42] <Jymmm> anyhow, semantics... just try what I said
[16:30:04] <Jymmm> or just pour on the acetone, just not as fun
[16:30:20] <JT-Shop> http://scene7.samsclub.com/is/image/samsclub/0073753950055_A?$img_size_380x380$
[16:30:35] <Jymmm> Yeah, dont care now but thanks
[16:34:01] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Jx8NRkWTo
[16:34:31] <JT-Shop> so what do you do with the crosslinked polystyrene residue
[16:35:28] <Computer_Barf> I wonder one might get plate stock of sterling silver
[16:35:37] <Jymmm> Dude, it's not the destination, but the journey... If you put it into a baloon slightly inflated it's going to "spray' droplets and that will vary the "melting" effect on the EPS.
[16:36:23] <Jymmm> The acetone will eventually "pop" a laytex balloon
[16:37:14] <Jymmm> Kinda like a lava effect
[16:37:31] <Computer_Barf> I save all my styrofoam takeout food trays,especially the black ones
[16:37:41] <Computer_Barf> then I dissolve them into acetone
[16:37:53] <Jymmm> If you can spray paint the foam withoutmelting it, when the acetone hits it, it'll flow like goo
[16:37:58] <Computer_Barf> the black pigment will go a long way to turn the white ones black
[16:38:04] <Jymmm> noce high contrast
[16:39:01] <Computer_Barf> 4-5 black ones will mix with probably 100 white ones to make a black blob of polystyrene
[16:40:32] <Computer_Barf> when you dry the polystyrene though it does tend to bubble up a bit. You can mill shapes from it but it is more of a ridged foam board, I've made shelf brackets with it
[16:41:02] <Computer_Barf> it would be nice to know the secret to drying it into solid plates without the acetone expanding internally and creating bubbles
[16:41:06] <pcw_home> dissolve in acetone and then knead in potassium chlorate...
[16:41:21] <Computer_Barf> what will that do
[16:41:45] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Is that before or after the exothermic reaction?
[16:42:42] <Jymmm> pcw_home: and you forgot the sulfur ;)
[16:42:52] <Computer_Barf> I've considered perhaps making a steel reaction vessel , then adding a semi saturated acetone polystyrene batch, and then injecting steam to distill off the acetone
[16:43:27] <Computer_Barf> I believe this would leave fine , acetone free particles of polystyrene in a water suspension, which you could filter out
[16:43:29] <Jymmm> Computer_Barf: How do you think they make EXPANDED polysyterene?
[16:43:48] <pcw_home> sulfur and chlorates are treacherous
[16:44:00] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Hey, you started it!
[16:44:13] <Jymmm> pcw_home: dont forget the charcoal too
[16:44:35] <Computer_Barf> i know sometimes they make little round polystyrene balls from adding hexane to pellets and then putting them in a heated blower chamber in which they expand
[16:44:48] <Computer_Barf> then they compress all the balls into polystyrene blocks
[16:45:03] <Computer_Barf> so hexane expansion
[16:45:56] <renesis> who still uses foam boxes?
[16:45:56] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I wanted into a local hardware store. On the shefl was 10lbs of sulfur, next to it was 20 lbs of ‎Potassium nitrate, and on the floor was a pallet of about 200 lbs of charcoal =)
[16:46:03] <Jymmm> walked*
[16:46:32] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Great, now the NSA is monitoring #linuxcnc.
[16:46:32] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I walked out chuckling
[16:46:33] <renesis> oh i guess my local mexican place does for combo plates
[16:46:38] <CaptHindsight> any aluminum powder?
[16:46:43] <dirty_d> made some changes to solvespace, it saves constraint expressions instead of the numerical value, and I added mm() and in() conversions.
[16:46:43] <renesis> uhohz
[16:46:56] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: They alwasy have been, you want the trasnscripts?
[16:47:02] <renesis> dirty_d: you dev solvespace?
[16:47:12] <Computer_Barf> I feel like doing anything interesting today is going to put you on a watchlist
[16:47:13] <dirty_d> so you can put like fmt_mm(in(1) + mm(19))
[16:47:13] <renesis> dirty_d: it accepts equations for dimensions?
[16:47:23] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Google Inc, a division of the NSA
[16:47:23] <dirty_d> and it will display that length in millimeters
[16:47:34] <renesis> whats fmt mean
[16:47:37] <Computer_Barf> I want to get fluoroboric acid so i can dissolve tin and lead from pcb boards
[16:47:45] <dirty_d> renesis, i just started working on it abotu a week ago to make it work right on linux
[16:47:45] <renesis> and i should prob try it
[16:47:54] <dirty_d> but i figured id try to improve stuff while im at it
[16:47:57] <renesis> oh so youre fixing solvespace
[16:48:01] <renesis> neat
[16:48:12] <dirty_d> yea, it works on linux well now
[16:48:16] <dirty_d> it was kinda screwed up before
[16:48:24] <renesis> woah
[16:48:33] <zeeshan> if anyone is interested in how i got my tool changer to work
[16:48:34] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOzQ8vXHwg
[16:48:37] <renesis> my school has a 300 level plant science class Intro to Wines
[16:48:50] <renesis> 21 and over
[16:49:30] <dirty_d> actually fmt_mm and fmt_in wont work now, but it wont hurt to use it
[16:49:51] <dirty_d> renesis, it works a lot better than freecad
[16:50:08] <renesis> freecad was a bit worse than draftsight when i used it
[16:50:14] <Swapper> pcw_home: are there any maximum length on the 25 dsub cable between 6i25 and 7i77 ?
[16:50:24] <zeeshan> tool changer is COOL
[16:50:48] <dirty_d> thats a big machine
[16:50:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan lemme see
[16:50:54] <dirty_d> what is it?
[16:51:05] <CaptHindsight> NX, ProE, Catia, ......................................... solvespace, freecad
[16:51:20] <dirty_d> renesis, freecad would be great if the important stuff actually worked
[16:51:22] <zeeshan> talking to me?
[16:51:29] <dirty_d> like linking sketches to external geometry
[16:51:37] <dirty_d> zeeshan, about the big machine yea
[16:51:40] <CaptHindsight> I think NX has a Linux version
[16:51:43] <zeeshan> mikron wf21c
[16:52:21] <renesis> dirty_d: ya
[16:52:48] <dirty_d> looks expensive
[16:53:00] <renesis> it would work okay for awhile and then when enough time was invested, it would crap out on some simple essential feature
[16:53:11] <renesis> like, bitch let me offset without crashing
[16:53:20] <dirty_d> yea, its mostly due to going back and editing sketches that others depend on
[16:53:31] <dirty_d> edges get renamed internally and it breaks relationships
[16:53:32] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: It's a very nice machine. Love the scraped surfaces.
[16:53:41] <renesis> like, heirarchial blocks?
[16:54:01] <dirty_d> renesis, like if you make a sketch, extrude it, then map a sketch to one of the faces
[16:54:03] <pcw_home> Swapper: 15 feet is about the maximum, if you want more you are better off with a Ethernet card like the 7I92
[16:54:09] <dirty_d> all is well and good until you go back and edit the first sketch
[16:54:16] <dirty_d> then the second explodes
[16:54:19] <renesis> yeah thats not cool
[16:54:33] <dirty_d> that seesm to be working really good in solvespace
[16:55:11] <dirty_d> the way this is written is kinda annoying to work with, its like c++ thats trying to hard to be C
[16:56:05] <dirty_d> std:: doent appear once in the source
[16:56:21] <dirty_d> and if you do include a c++ header, it breaks all the macros that are all over the place
[16:56:27] <Swapper> pcw_home: ty
[16:56:49] <Swapper> that would do it.
[16:58:04] <zeeshan> does home depot carry socket head cap screws?
[16:58:17] <zeeshan> i need an 8-32
[16:58:28] <zeeshan> for some reason my collection goes from 6-32 to 10-24 10-32
[16:58:28] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: maybe just in SS
[16:58:29] <zeeshan> lol
[16:58:38] <zeeshan> thatll work
[16:58:48] <CaptHindsight> I seem to avoid HD for that reason when fastener shopping
[16:58:59] <zeeshan> i only go there in a bind
[16:59:05] <zeeshan> usually try to go to my supplier reglover
[16:59:22] <CaptHindsight> I just started buying bulk off ebay
[16:59:33] <zeeshan> same its cheaper to buy a box
[16:59:38] <zeeshan> for 50/100
[16:59:39] <CaptHindsight> whole boxes for $2-3
[16:59:43] <zeeshan> vs buying 10 bolts
[17:00:06] <CaptHindsight> in China you buy by the Kg
[17:00:11] <alex4nder> anyone know which kernel Tormach went with for Path Pilot?
[17:00:11] <renesis> i think they carry down to #8 or #6
[17:00:16] <renesis> they wont have small stuff
[17:00:17] <CaptHindsight> they just have bins, no boxes
[17:00:33] <renesis> and yeah its specialty drawer stuff
[17:00:39] <renesis> they wont have a ton
[17:01:23] <CaptHindsight> whenever I go to HD or Menards for fasteners they are always out of the exact size I need
[17:01:33] <renesis> ikr
[17:02:23] <JT-Shop> dang furnace stays warm for quite a while
[17:02:30] <renesis> i usually just buy a box of like 50 from mcmaster in stainless, i dont like the black oxide most places carry
[17:02:48] <zeeshan> why?
[17:02:52] <zeeshan> ss galls
[17:03:14] <renesis> because black oxide corrodes
[17:03:19] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: melting anything yet?
[17:04:19] <JT-Shop> just drying out the furnace now, if I can get outside with it next week I'll start melting some lead
[17:04:28] <archivist> zeeshan, that tool change is mandraulic :)
[17:04:44] <JT-Shop> I got the furnace up to 450C today
[17:05:09] <Tom_itx> melt some of this white crap outside mkay?
[17:05:18] <JT-Shop> ok
[17:05:56] * JT-Shop is tired of it too
[17:06:18] <JT-Shop> oh, I still have to make the pyrometer
[17:06:19] <Tom_itx> cleared the walks twice and it finally quit snowing
[17:06:55] <JT-Shop> the fresh snow melted already but the snow from last time is still on the ground
[17:09:31] <JT-Shop> looks like 32F for the morning with freezing rain
[17:17:16] <Tom_itx> guessin 8 or 10" here
[17:29:24] <zeeshan> archivist: yes :)
[17:29:51] <alex4nder> hmm.. so debian isn't shipping an -rt kernel in jessie
[17:29:52] <alex4nder> that sucks
[17:40:45] <pcw_home> On the other hand a Preemt-RT kernel is easy to build
[17:41:03] <alex4nder> yah, it's more telling that the -rt dev work has stalled
[17:41:12] <XXCoder> man
[17:41:16] <XXCoder> been busy all day
[17:41:22] <XXCoder> van works pretty lot better
[17:42:05] <XXCoder> it actually warmed up in 6 minutes
[17:42:15] <XXCoder> pretty impressive for van with dead termostat
[17:44:52] <XXCoder> before it wouldnt warm up even if you sent it to sun :P
[17:46:03] <pcw_home> 3.18 just released so not really stalled
[17:48:12] <XXCoder> I guess not all that much demend for realtime
[17:48:28] <alex4nder> pcw_home: reading about the lack of funding, and seeing the lack of updates, makes me think different
[17:49:02] <pcw_home> have you looked recently?
[17:49:07] <alex4nder> yah, I just did
[17:49:11] <pcw_home> busier than ever
[17:49:40] <pcw_home> even Xenomai 3 is based on -rt
[17:51:53] <zeeshan> so i inspected the mari tool pull studs
[17:52:15] <zeeshan> they're quite far out from tolerance
[17:52:21] <zeeshan> (in my opinion)
[17:52:53] <zeeshan> for example, the stem diameter is supposed to be .986" from din standard
[17:53:03] <zeeshan> theirs is .980"
[17:53:14] <zeeshan> theyre making this on a cnc machine
[17:53:20] <zeeshan> not sure why the undersize?
[17:53:30] <XXCoder> odd
[17:53:48] <XXCoder> your stuff tested for accuracy?
[17:54:18] <zeeshan> .828" theirs
[17:54:23] <zeeshan> standard .831
[17:54:32] <zeeshan> no im comparing their stuff to standard
[17:54:40] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[17:54:42] <zeeshan> im trying to make my own pull studs
[17:54:43] <JT-Shop> what's the tolerance on the standard?
[17:54:59] <pcw_home> Preemt-rt 3.18.rt2 running on a a laptop (3 hours of videos etc)
[17:55:01] <pcw_home> http://ibin.co/1tGDqozK5zse
[17:55:02] <pcw_home> not bad for a laptop... the stock preemt-rt kernel with wheezy is useless (800000 latency)
[17:55:31] <zeeshan> on the standard .986 diameter, the tolerance is -.006
[17:55:41] <zeeshan> so they meet the tolerance
[17:55:45] <zeeshan> just under small size :P
[17:55:50] <XXCoder> barely
[17:56:09] <zeeshan> i mean with cnc you can hold .001 pretty easily
[17:56:27] <XXCoder> wonder if their operator screwed up
[17:56:36] <zeeshan> im not trying to sound negative or anything
[17:56:44] <zeeshan> just comparing :)
[17:56:53] <JT-Shop> that has happened as well as the programmer screwing up
[17:56:53] <zeeshan> maybe
[17:57:01] <zeeshan> or the tool is worn out
[17:57:07] <zeeshan> in the sense that its got a built up edge
[17:57:11] <zeeshan> so now its machining undersize
[17:57:17] <XXCoder> oh
[17:57:39] <XXCoder> was abou to ask "wouldnt it mean oversize not under"
[17:57:44] <zeeshan> like for the .986 dimension, +.000 -0.006
[17:57:51] <zeeshan> what would you guys program your target dimension to be ?
[17:57:55] <zeeshan> midway? :)
[17:58:04] <XXCoder> closert o max
[17:58:10] <XXCoder> you cant recut negative distance
[17:58:17] <zeeshan> good point
[17:58:22] <zeeshan> but if youre confident in your machine
[17:58:25] <zeeshan> holding +/-0.001
[17:58:40] <XXCoder> yea probably -.002
[17:58:49] <zeeshan> fair enough
[17:58:55] <XXCoder> still closer to max but any over varation wont go over
[18:00:17] <zeeshan> wow
[18:00:27] <zeeshan> the length of the gripping portion of th estud
[18:00:30] <zeeshan> is out of tolerance by a lot
[18:01:11] <XXCoder> whats tol and how much is it over
[18:01:33] <zeeshan> nominal length .984", +0.008 -.000 , inspection dimension: .994"
[18:02:08] <zeeshan> out by 2 thou
[18:02:16] <XXCoder> ow
[18:03:03] <zeeshan> still works! :P
[18:04:04] <XXCoder> I guess so
[18:05:19] <XXCoder> paper is .0039 so its off by half paper thickness lol
[18:05:24] <zeeshan> haha
[18:05:48] <zeeshan> honestly, the best quality stuff
[18:05:52] <zeeshan> is the stuff you work on your own
[18:05:55] <XXCoder> other site says 9 mil for paper
[18:05:57] <zeeshan> regardless of made in taiwan, made in usa.
[18:06:20] <zeeshan> japanese stuff is amazing cause there is so much pride in their work
[18:06:28] <zeeshan> the work the car guys do there
[18:06:29] <zeeshan> is crazy
[18:06:37] <zeeshan> XXCoder: i guess paper varies a lot
[18:06:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:06:59] <renesis> xxcoder: is all about rice paper rolling papers for setting z
[18:07:03] <renesis> .001"
[18:07:18] <XXCoder> I tend to use thinner notepad paper
[18:07:21] <XXCoder> tend to be fine
[18:07:32] <zeeshan> i use aluminum foil
[18:07:37] <renesis> yeah that stuff is like 3-4 mil
[18:07:49] <XXCoder> sometimes I even use regular paper if its not very precise job
[18:07:57] <renesis> i just measure whatever im using
[18:08:05] <XXCoder> foil is 3-4 mil?
[18:08:15] <XXCoder> .003-4?
[18:08:20] <renesis> notebook paper
[18:08:23] <XXCoder> or .0003
[18:08:26] <renesis> foil is whatever it is
[18:08:50] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah I tend to use notebok a LOT so I try reuse written paper
[18:09:11] <renesis> its prob safer for the part
[18:10:02] <renesis> tho, part should be fine with anything if youre taking your time and stepping less than thickness of offset material
[18:10:33] <XXCoder> or just adjust down one thou after find z0
[18:10:40] <renesis> .001 is easy to remember and usually not too bad to ignore
[18:10:51] <XXCoder> how do you guys accurately find zero using face mill?
[18:10:55] <renesis> xxcoder: in axis you can set offset
[18:11:08] <renesis> itll pop up a window and you would enter .001 for rice paper
[18:11:15] <XXCoder> at one machine I always have to adjust down by .006 after find z0 using large face mill
[18:11:31] <renesis> or say -.05 for a .1" edge finder from the left
[18:11:33] <XXCoder> and thats after I confirm tooth I sued is lowest one
[18:11:40] <XXCoder> used
[18:12:25] <renesis> yeah i have spring collets so i have to set z every tool change unless PCB drills w/ collars
[18:12:40] <XXCoder> my router will use edge router
[18:12:47] <renesis> so tool table lengths dont matter because i dont use them
[18:12:48] <XXCoder> so yeah need touch em all off bah
[18:13:10] <renesis> yeah honestly its better your way once you have the shit set up
[18:13:53] <zeeshan> anyone have a source for a cat40
[18:13:54] <zeeshan> tool holder
[18:13:59] <zeeshan> i need the dimensions of the thread
[18:14:05] <zeeshan> and the concentric ring thing
[18:14:20] <zeeshan> i know its 5/8-11 for the thread
[18:14:22] <zeeshan> but need to know how long
[18:16:05] <zeeshan> nm found it :D
[18:26:40] <XXCoder> this is fucked up
[18:26:42] <XXCoder> http://inhabitat.com/house-passes-bill-that-prohibits-expert-scientific-advice-to-the-epa/
[18:29:11] <roycroft> truthiness is next to godliness
[18:30:05] <XXCoder> yep, and scientists always try best to find truth - and they are blocking scientists from saying any say
[18:30:46] <roycroft> in the best of all possible worlds
[18:30:53] <roycroft> sadly, some scientists do not always try to find truth
[18:31:01] <XXCoder> we all are humans
[18:31:08] <XXCoder> and some humans try to cheat system
[18:31:21] <roycroft> as was recently pointed out
[18:31:46] <roycroft> some of the major climate change denying scientists were found to be working for oil companies
[18:31:54] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:32:13] <XXCoder> now major antiscience guy is at science dept head
[18:32:28] <XXCoder> its like assigning wolf to guard hens
[18:43:02] <Computer_Barf> any solidcam users here?
[18:53:08] <XXCoder> not me unfortunately
[19:04:27] * furrywolf is nice, and can guard things!
[19:04:34] <zeeshan> ?!
[19:04:38] <furrywolf> <XXCoder> its like assigning wolf to guard hens
[19:20:23] <ssi> wat
[19:23:15] <alex4nder> turn down for
[19:25:17] <ssi> indeed
[19:32:47] <zeeshan> wow
[19:32:51] <zeeshan> pull stud is under immense pressure
[19:32:57] <zeeshan> stress i mean
[19:32:57] <ssi> yep
[19:33:01] <ssi> don't make studs
[19:33:05] <zeeshan> no
[19:33:06] <zeeshan> i wil makes
[19:33:06] <ssi> broken studs are bad juju
[19:33:16] <ssi> yes, they're expensive
[19:33:18] <ssi> mine are hard to find too
[19:33:24] <ssi> I bought eight of them for like ten bux apiece :(
[19:33:36] <zeeshan> loll
[19:33:39] <zeeshan> mine are 20 bux a piece
[19:34:11] <zeeshan> im try8ng to simulate loads on one
[19:36:42] <ssi> help me design a laser table
[19:37:50] <zeeshan> f that
[19:37:52] <zeeshan> that shit is always on fire
[19:37:55] <ssi> D:
[19:38:02] <zeeshan> im operating the laser cutter at school for student projects
[19:38:07] <zeeshan> and when cujtting wood
[19:38:12] <zeeshan> theres always a flame under the wood
[19:38:14] <zeeshan> lol
[19:38:25] <zeeshan> sometimes with acrylic too
[19:38:25] <ssi> needs moar air pressure
[19:38:34] <zeeshan> yea the technician is gonna clean the filter
[19:38:48] <zeeshan> and get a new nozzle
[19:53:56] <tjtr33> for those looking at HPdc7800 SFF for linuxcnc , i am convince what i have is not suitable, ymmv, heres the pix & logs https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n95e1h9qlj09cp2/AAA4g5Td3eGlicFJWh4cRWf4a?dl=0
[19:54:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6xJjZJU.jpg
[19:55:02] <zeeshan> about 35000 psi
[19:55:18] <zeeshan> yea, regular mild steel isn't going to cut it
[19:56:01] <zeeshan> yield strength of 8620 (what they make it out of)
[19:56:05] <zeeshan> is 55800..
[19:56:28] <zeeshan> 1.6 factor of safety..
[19:57:51] <zeeshan> hm
[19:57:58] <zeeshan> h13 yield strength at 52 hrc
[19:58:03] <zeeshan> 220000 psi ..
[20:02:16] <zeeshan> ah 8620 after single quench and temper 230c
[20:02:30] <zeeshan> hits 121000psi yield strength , 61Hrc
[20:08:34] <Tom_itx> get a TI rod
[20:09:30] <zeeshan> :]
[20:09:34] <Jymmm> copper rod
[20:09:44] <Tom_itx> too soft
[20:09:50] <Jymmm> exactly
[20:10:00] <zeeshan> h13 is pretty sweet
[20:10:21] <Computer_Barf> ive heard that copper rod is like bubble gum
[20:10:43] <Computer_Barf> knive making tuesdays did copper inlays in a video on youtube
[20:29:03] <bobo_> the FEA of a pull stud is interesting. wonder what a pull stud griper/finger looks like ?
[20:43:03] <bobo_> MacGalempsy got the A axis turing ?
[20:43:20] <bobo_> turning
[20:44:49] <XXCoder> furrywolf: what about it?
[20:47:38] <SolarNRG> can someone please explain to me why motor flexibles have a spiral cut along them?
[20:49:03] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: just got out to the mancave for the night
[20:49:19] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: pretty sure to make machine more accurate but not too sure otherwise
[20:49:54] <SolarNRG> I was thinking about making one out of two bits of pipe
[20:51:44] <XXCoder> looking for proper name for it
[20:51:58] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[20:52:00] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: what are you working on today?
[20:52:04] <XXCoder> anti-backlash shaft coupler
[20:52:07] <XXCoder> SolarNRG:
[20:52:08] <bobo_> have you considered clamping self winding watches to A axis , marketing a rewind service
[20:52:43] <XXCoder> furrywolf: maybe you know a trick on removing bolts from very inaccessable place
[20:53:03] <XXCoder> because I could not remove 3 more bolts in order to replace termostator
[20:53:20] <SolarNRG> The problem I got is I'm broke and I got a 33mm acme thread and an 8mm rotor to couple
[20:53:48] <SolarNRG> so if needbe I can weld two bits of pipe together, drill where the taps have to go and angle grind a spiral cut around it
[20:54:04] <bobo_> me ! just inside ---- staying warm . pathetic --- yes
[20:54:20] <SolarNRG> bobo_ how's global warming going for you?
[20:54:32] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: http://www.reliance.co.uk/assets/resized/c8f767def908e8c949445fffb4d4b6ea.jpg
[20:54:36] <XXCoder> many styles
[20:54:50] <SolarNRG> wow, great, if only I had the cash to buy them
[20:54:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:55:04] <XXCoder> well can always solid couple for now
[20:55:14] <XXCoder> no backlash
[20:55:40] <bobo_> big Al and I don't see eye to eye on global warming
[20:56:16] <XXCoder> bobo_: is someone here chatting?
[20:56:27] <XXCoder> I thought I cleared ignore list for here
[20:58:33] <SolarNRG> http://funnyand.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Global_Warming_20140112_global_warming.jpg
[20:58:47] <bobo_> hope i am not doing something wrong , if so XXCoder than p;ease tell me
[20:58:59] <XXCoder> oceans is being cooled by all that melting ice
[20:59:13] <XXCoder> and north pole is warming so polar jet is pushed down
[20:59:34] <XXCoder> hence, east america is being frozen by global warming. bit irony
[20:59:49] <XXCoder> bobo_: nah nothing wrong just looked like I was seeing only half conversion lol
[21:05:08] <MacGalempsy> I think the selfwiding watch market has been taken over
[21:05:35] <XXCoder> man
[21:05:43] <XXCoder> stuck on those 3 damn bolts
[21:06:01] <MacGalempsy> so all you guys with selfwinders, mail them to me, and I'll make sure they get taken care of
[21:06:24] <XXCoder> its inaccessable, it requires some extension but if I use one it hits other side so I cant turn it since loosing it would make other side tighter :P
[21:07:33] <XXCoder> http://retnuh.hubpages.com/hub/Thermostat-replacement-on-Nissan-Quest-V6
[21:07:42] <XXCoder> 4th picture
[21:07:49] <XXCoder> author cant even take good picture of it,
[21:21:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcG6wpKUFRA
[21:22:02] <XXCoder> similiar with mine
[21:23:43] <furrywolf> yay, productivity. replaced two broken panes and installed a new window on the enclosed porch.
[21:23:54] <XXCoder> nice
[21:24:27] <furrywolf> the frames are all somewhat rotten, so used caulk instead of glazing putty... it sticks better to crappy wood, and will seal it from further moisture.
[21:25:02] <XXCoder> http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0996b43f/80/23/0e/32/large/0996b43f80230e32.gif
[21:25:08] <XXCoder> this thing is damn hard to access
[21:25:31] <furrywolf> thermostat?
[21:25:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:25:44] <XXCoder> I removed one bolt, rest isnt accessable enough
[21:26:04] <furrywolf> vehicles with the engine mounted the proper way around are much easier to work on. just something to keep in mind for future vehicle purchases. :P
[21:26:18] <XXCoder> cant be done directly, and 3" extension causes racquet to hit other hose behind it so its too tight to turn
[21:26:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[21:26:43] <furrywolf> so use a 1.5" extension, or a u-joint.
[21:26:45] <XXCoder> didnt have much choice, it was only one cheap enough when ford contour wasnt working
[21:27:00] <XXCoder> u joint dont work but 1.5 extension interesting
[21:27:25] <furrywolf> you can get extensions in small sizes just for things like that. using a deep socket in place of a shallow often helps too.
[21:27:31] <XXCoder> wish I had a portal gun, it'd be hella easier
[21:27:42] <XXCoder> hmm thats good idea, will try tomorrow
[21:28:23] <XXCoder> hope my bro has 12mm deep socket
[21:28:36] <XXCoder> I dont own any deep sockets besides spark plug lol
[21:28:41] <XXCoder> thanks for ideas
[21:28:47] <furrywolf> I think I have 12mm deep in 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2" drive, and possibly also 6pt and 12pt...
[21:29:00] <XXCoder> wanna come over and help? lol jk
[21:29:18] <XXCoder> refill coolant will be nasty too, nissan quest is bad on that
[21:29:35] <furrywolf> there is no vehicle as unpleasant to add coolant to than a bmw.
[21:30:30] <XXCoder> I bet
[21:30:40] <XXCoder> quest you have to jack or lift front up
[21:30:47] <XXCoder> slowly pour coolant as it runs
[21:31:01] <XXCoder> drive around, add some more, few times so air is gone
[21:31:46] <furrywolf> you have a plastic bottle you're supposed to add coolant to, and a radiator with a bleeder screw on top. you open the screw (which half the time will break), which is supposed to run coolant from the radiator to the bottle, but instead invariable dumps it on the ground. you keep adding coolant, all the while it dumps on the ground, until air bubbles stop coming out with the coolant running onto the ground.
[21:32:18] <furrywolf> then, you put the cap on, and drive it around. if you didn't add enough, it'll then either overheat, or complain about low coolant level. add more. if you now have too much, the bottle explodes, then you can start over again.
[21:32:35] <XXCoder> heh ford contour is hella easy
[21:32:41] <XXCoder> just dont go over hose explode line
[21:33:05] <XXCoder> probably take 2 or 3 times before it stays filled
[21:33:16] <XXCoder> that hose is $100
[21:33:20] <furrywolf> my subarus... remove radiator cap. add coolant. put cap on. done! same with the jeep. my van has a bottle, but it's still easy, just fill the bottle. my bmw... god I'm glad I sold that car.
[21:33:44] <furrywolf> heh, so ford contours explode the hoses when overfilled? kinda like bmws exploding the pressure bottle when overfilled...
[21:33:54] <XXCoder> yeah van isnt too bad, besides general inaccessablity of parts
[21:33:58] <XXCoder> basically
[21:34:04] <XXCoder> I call it "water smash"
[21:34:11] <XXCoder> it would drain entire plastic tank
[21:34:17] <XXCoder> then refll
[21:34:31] <XXCoder> if you overfilled it.. well hose explode at refill stage
[21:34:45] <furrywolf> and on bmws, every single part on the cooling system is the same brittle as fuck plastic, and taking any hose off usually results in destruction of the part the hose was on. remove a radiator hose? time for a new radiator too.
[21:34:56] <XXCoder> ouch!
[21:35:09] <XXCoder> isnt bmw fancyass brand usually?
[21:35:49] <furrywolf> bmw is a status symbol, not reliable transportation. their target market leases rather than buys, or buys then sells well before the warranty is up, because they wouldn't be caught dead driving an older model around.
[21:36:00] <XXCoder> jeez
[21:36:04] <XXCoder> overpriced junk
[21:36:15] <XXCoder> I cant wait for my elio
[21:36:16] <furrywolf> yep
[21:36:47] <Computer_Barf> lol
[21:36:53] <XXCoder> even if I somehow become millionaire, I wont buy all kinds of status shit
[21:36:56] <furrywolf> grr/yay... grr, usps lost my finglonger... or, at least, sent it to some random small town I've never heard of. yay, today's tracking shows they have it back in san francisco again.
[21:37:00] <Computer_Barf> my wifes brother has a bmw , an older model
[21:37:01] <XXCoder> I would buy my own shit
[21:37:15] <Computer_Barf> its this old car he thinks is a status symbol
[21:37:44] <furrywolf> as one of my friends always said... what's the difference between a bmw and a porcupine?
[21:37:45] <Computer_Barf> but the interior is falling apart , the engine shakes like crazy , it tears through gas like its a van or something
[21:38:49] <Computer_Barf> the whole thing vibrates in a way that makes me feel like the engine is going to fall out
[21:39:23] <XXCoder> furrywolf: porcupine lives longer? lol
[21:39:30] <furrywolf> ... a porcupine has the pricks on the outside
[21:39:53] <XXCoder> lol
[21:44:43] <XXCoder> very safe. https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5953226752/hCA81D637/
[21:46:44] <Computer_Barf> always wear your safety tie
[21:46:53] <Computer_Barf> while operating a lathe
[21:47:05] <furrywolf> probably a lot better than no glasses at all...
[21:47:14] <XXCoder> also, long sleeved hood robe
[21:47:27] <XXCoder> no reason to let lathe chips hit you :P
[21:47:34] <XXCoder> furrywolf: barely.
[21:47:35] <Computer_Barf> get that mullet LOOOONG
[21:52:58] <XXCoder> wonder why guy did it
[21:53:09] <XXCoder> cheapass safety glass is like 3 bucks
[21:59:46] <furrywolf> probably needed to get something done, and didn't have time for a trip to the store, or they were closed, etc.
[22:00:00] <XXCoder> guess so
[22:00:12] <XXCoder> if I was boss and he was working like that I'd write him up
[22:00:24] <XXCoder> he can do whatever he want at his home
[22:12:08] <XXCoder> wow what a big wtf http://notalwaysworking.com/dont-lose-your-headphones-over-it/37981
[22:14:44] <furrywolf> ... seriously? useless social networking buttons that COVER THE FUCKING LEFT SIDE OF THE TEXT?
[22:14:58] <furrywolf> that's ok! you don't need to read the first word of every line, right?
[22:15:23] <XXCoder> really?
[22:15:28] <XXCoder> I dont see that crap
[22:16:03] <XXCoder> I just see article and right side has site stuff like navigatipon
[22:16:47] <furrywolf> yes, really. and they even grow in size if you mouseover them.
[22:17:08] <XXCoder> I just allowed all scripts
[22:17:14] <XXCoder> still doesnt show.
[22:18:15] <furrywolf> you must have better crap-blockers installed than I do. I should get noscript...
[22:18:41] <XXCoder> noscript is awesome yeah
[22:19:46] <XXCoder> my addons is betterprivacy, disconnect, dom inspector, greasemoney, https everywhere, inspectthis, noscript, tabs closebutton restored
[22:21:33] <furrywolf> I want an addon that finds some way to physically injure webmasters who put position:fixed crap covering content on their pages
[22:22:00] <XXCoder> call it fixed element kick admin
[22:24:05] <XXCoder> but yea I get so annoyed with some trends
[22:24:19] <XXCoder> white virus is fading in most cases but some got it so bad
[22:24:38] <XXCoder> http://forum.xda-developers.com/
[22:24:50] <XXCoder> so much white and mid-light grays
[22:25:01] <XXCoder> bright orange on white too
[22:26:08] <XXCoder> http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/worst-websites-of-the-year.html
[22:26:42] <furrywolf> and a useless bar stuck over the top of the page, this one with javascript that tries to hide it sometimes, breaking scrolling even worse.
[22:27:42] <furrywolf> ... and that site on web pages that suck does, itself, suck, using a fucking inch of my screen space for a big black bar... that shows their copyright. and nothing else. and breaks scrolling.
[22:29:10] <XXCoder> fun
[22:29:36] <furrywolf> do you not get the copyright bar at the bottom?
[22:29:53] <XXCoder> its tiny bu its there
[22:30:10] <XXCoder> 1/3 in maybe
[22:30:28] <furrywolf> it's rendering as big and empty here
[22:30:39] <furrywolf> and no matter how it's rendered, it's utterly fucking useless.
[22:30:48] <XXCoder> indeed
[22:30:55] <furrywolf> what kind of idiot thinks you need to display the copyright continually, over your content?
[22:31:16] <furrywolf> and bars like that break scrolling. when you page down, the browser scrolls a full window, even though part of that window isn't visible, causing you to miss text.
[22:32:00] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:32:14] <XXCoder> when I tested page, it leave small amount of pervious on top
[22:32:20] <XXCoder> so I can keep reading
[22:32:33] <XXCoder> suspect its resolution vs page length thing?
[22:33:10] <XXCoder> your is a fit, meaning page down does indeed go down exactly oage worth, while mine does not quite go all way down
[22:33:28] <furrywolf> it's bad web design is what it is.
[22:33:38] <XXCoder> yea wonder if page is setting settable
[22:33:53] <furrywolf> firefox sometimes manages to guess that the visible portion is smaller, but usually not.
[22:34:02] <XXCoder> firefox here too
[22:34:14] <XXCoder> I guess mines always under when youre always equal or over
[22:34:42] <XXCoder> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780345
[22:34:51] <XXCoder> that your bug symtoms?
[22:34:56] <furrywolf> but even if it didn't break scrolling, it's still a bad design. why would you want to waste screen space constantly? if I want to see your navigation buttons, I'll scroll to the top of the page. if I want to see your copyright, I'll scroll to the bottom of the page. Neither should be continually wasting space on my screen!
[22:35:14] <XXCoder> agreed I hate wasted space too
[22:36:18] <furrywolf> "In my not-so-humble opinion, *it is a bug in the page*. The word "bug" can be discussed. But it is *a bad thing* in the page. An irritating trend."
[22:36:37] <XXCoder> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/893374 check your zoom level in case
[22:37:06] <furrywolf> note that the bug is marked as fixed, yet the bottom posts are people complaining it's not fixed.
[22:37:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:37:19] <XXCoder> last post 2014
[22:37:31] <furrywolf> seems like the fix is what I said, that it occasionally guesses correctly, but there's no actual fix. I doubt a fix is even possible. the problem is shit web design.
[22:38:32] <furrywolf> fixing it for every page would require strong AI... instead they have a heurestic that makes a good guess for certain pages.
[22:39:23] <XXCoder> now checking if theres way to adjust length
[22:39:37] <furrywolf> my solution is generally to avoid using web sites that suck that badly.
[22:40:02] <furrywolf> any individual or organization that cares so little about their users shouldn't have any.
[22:40:46] <furrywolf> lol, searching for an extension that kills position:fixed elements, found a post ending with "Or do all you web developers love those things because you hate humanity?"
[22:41:01] <XXCoder> lol
[22:47:39] <XXCoder> lol http://www.sewingandembroiderywarehouse.com/embtrb.htm
[22:47:44] <XXCoder> so funny
[22:47:56] <XXCoder> just scroll and keep going
[22:48:34] <XXCoder> "If a problem persists, we recommend that you contact
[22:48:35] <XXCoder> Sewing and Embroidery Warehouse " at end. uhh I think theres a problem lol
[22:49:08] <furrywolf> highly incompetent hand-written html
[22:49:29] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:49:34] <XXCoder> I love my mouse
[22:49:37] <furrywolf> their tags are nested wrong, tags are opened and never closed, AND tags are closed with the wrong tag.
[22:49:42] <XXCoder> it allows me to unlock wheel and let it spin
[22:49:53] <furrywolf> example: <center><h2><font color="0033ff"><th>The design is out of register</th></font color></center>
[22:49:55] <XXCoder> so it scrolled halfway down without any input
[22:50:18] <furrywolf> you don't use a </font color>, and the h2 is never closed...
[22:50:40] <XXCoder> yeah site that linked to it explained that
[22:51:34] <furrywolf> <width="25%" align="left"></font color> ... lol?
[22:51:54] <XXCoder> glad you enjoyed it too lol
[22:52:47] <XXCoder> classic site http://www.aolwatch.org/aolwatch28broad.htm it features lots stuff you hate
[22:53:31] <XXCoder> its vinage from early 90s
[22:53:41] <XXCoder> aol is largely unknown now lol
[23:05:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JAl6qmV.gif
[23:05:46] <zeeshan> fun
[23:06:00] <zeeshan> i wish i had a turn groove tool
[23:06:05] <zeeshan> would be sweet to do it with one tool
[23:06:10] <zeeshan> well 3 tools
[23:06:15] <zeeshan> turning, threading, and parting
[23:06:23] <XXCoder> whats it for
[23:06:29] <zeeshan> its the pull stud
[23:06:31] <zeeshan> program
[23:06:36] <XXCoder> wow magical hovering part in end lol
[23:06:41] <zeeshan> haha
[23:06:44] <XXCoder> cool
[23:09:48] <furrywolf> I need tooling, but it costs too much. :(
[23:10:17] <XXCoder> for me thankfully its cheap since wood and I use edge router
[23:10:33] <XXCoder> I used one tool that was $600 for one job. dang
[23:10:38] <zeeshan> make it
[23:11:02] <XXCoder> I bet its not even the most expensive
[23:13:02] <zeeshan> XXCoder:
[23:13:04] <zeeshan> what was it??
[23:13:16] <XXCoder> dunno it was large em
[23:13:22] <zeeshan> hehe
[23:13:37] <XXCoder> gold colored, and maybe 8 inches?
[23:13:58] <XXCoder> it was bit ago so probably forgot some details lol
[23:18:35] * furrywolf has a couple of 8" tools...
[23:18:54] <XXCoder> guy said it is $600, dont see why it is $600
[23:19:12] <zeeshan> depends
[23:19:14] <zeeshan> could be cu stom
[23:20:42] <XXCoder> possibly
[23:20:52] <XXCoder> how do you make your own tools anyway
[23:26:56] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:27:02] <XXCoder> night
[23:27:09] <Jymmm> For those that need that funky off voltage for their controller... http://www.fasttech.com/products/2017404
[23:27:47] <XXCoder> it stabilizes dc eh
[23:28:11] <Jymmm> It allows you to tap your ecisting24-48 DC supply
[23:28:20] <Jymmm> existing*
[23:28:59] <XXCoder> ahh and changes it to whatever needed
[23:29:08] <furrywolf> ... given as the maximum input voltage is 30v, I wouldn't suggest connecting it to a 48v supply.
[23:29:10] <XXCoder> say 24v dc to 17v dc
[23:30:47] <furrywolf> I've gotten a couple similar modules off ebay... the ratings are optimisitc, and they don't have crowbars, so don't connect anything really expensive to one.
[23:59:55] <XXCoder> http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/misc/2015/images/c2014-q4-lovejoy-des-medres.jpg
[23:59:59] <XXCoder> amazing