#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-27

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[00:01:17] <georgenz> 3.3v
[00:02:31] <PetefromTn_> that is at least close should be 2.45 if I did my math right..
[00:02:49] <PetefromTn_> probably didn't LOL
[00:03:02] <georgenz> the most important thing is it is doing what its told
[00:03:51] <PetefromTn_> try changing that max limit setting to something conseratively larger
[00:04:05] <georgenz> ive jst put it to 3000
[00:05:13] <PetefromTn_> when you say your spinning at 1500 RPM do you mean you input MDI M3 s1500 or you measured the speed with a digital tacho at 1500?
[00:05:35] <georgenz> i got it bang on with digital tacho now
[00:07:15] <PetefromTn_> Ok good
[00:07:43] <PetefromTn_> remember what I said about getting the VFD settings right before you go too crazy tuning the spindle parameters tho.
[00:19:06] <georgenz> it all seems to be working bonza now thanks pete
[00:19:27] <georgenz> vfd still needs some work 0- but i'll get there
[00:19:46] <PetefromTn_> you are welcome.
[00:20:21] <PetefromTn_> if you don't mind getting me the wiring scheme you have for the 7i77 to the vfd pinout so I can set mine up with analog again I would appreciate it.
[00:20:44] <georgenz> yeah - no stress, Will do it moro
[00:20:47] <georgenz> am so happy yay
[00:21:05] <PetefromTn_> nice....now maybe you can start making some chips soon..
[00:27:59] <PetefromTn_> Well Gn8 all
[00:28:40] <XXCoder> georgenz: congats
[00:29:26] <georgenz> thx man
[00:30:31] <XXCoder> I really to get off my ass and build frame for my cnc router
[00:32:18] <Cromaglious> and downloaded and just compiled 4 more packages
[00:35:15] <Cromaglious> and another one... sheshz.. mesa is HUGE
[00:35:25] <XXCoder> mega mesa
[00:36:02] <Cromaglious> cd ../mesa; !./aut
[00:36:14] <Cromaglious> is becoming my comand line
[00:37:08] <Cromaglious> I just got xcb i though
[00:39:20] <XXCoder> damn I love solvespace
[00:39:31] <XXCoder> gonna play with it but gonna sleep lol laters
[00:40:27] <Cromaglious> oh yeah I was gonna get a winbloz binary of it
[02:07:48] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16472654040/
[02:07:51] <zeeshan> anyone know what you call these
[02:10:35] <Connor> They have Fadal on them..
[02:10:41] <zeeshan> yea
[02:10:50] <Connor> maybe something for a tool changer.. blanks or something?
[02:10:57] <Connor> for the forks to keep them safe?
[02:11:21] <zeeshan> hm
[02:11:22] <zeeshan> i dont know
[02:11:32] <Connor> they rubber or plastic?
[02:11:40] <zeeshan> some sort of hard plastic
[02:11:42] <zeeshan> prolly bakelite
[02:13:02] <zeeshan> i saw em on ebay
[02:13:05] <zeeshan> but i lost the damn link
[02:13:12] <archivist> could be a carbon filled plastic
[02:13:17] <Connor> I just did a google image search on "fadal fork protector" and found a picture of MY controller on emclog.archivist.info
[02:13:23] <zeeshan> connor wtf
[02:13:45] <archivist> shows my logging works :)
[02:14:03] <Connor> but why did it come up under those keywords?
[02:14:15] <zeeshan> well searching irc logs sucks
[02:14:21] <zeeshan> cause it wont fucking hit.
[02:14:26] <Connor> and what the hell is the chances of me finding my OWN crap searchin on something totally unrelated ?
[02:14:30] <archivist> google looks at whole pages
[02:15:05] <archivist> once in a while that happens on a search
[02:15:39] <archivist> having written a search engine I understand the cause
[02:17:48] <Connor> bed time, lated dudes
[02:17:53] <zeeshan> nite
[02:18:10] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:28] <Swapper> moin
[02:23:12] <archivist> connor fadal was sain in the channel the day before, that is another problem for search engines, scrolling data
[02:23:17] <archivist> said
[02:23:49] <Cromaglious> heh
[02:24:17] <Cromaglious> archivist, you get the root figured out?
[02:25:02] <archivist> erm you forgot I said project is on roundtuit list
[02:25:20] <Cromaglious> ok I have hot plate .tap ready I think
[02:25:37] <Cromaglious> ahhh the dreaded Roundtuit
[02:25:49] <archivist> I know it is interesting and needs doing but where no prospect of immediate earnings
[02:26:04] <Cromaglious> I used to buy those in Korea and a bag of P
[02:26:09] <Cromaglious> s and Q's
[02:26:46] <Cromaglious> i'd put it as intensely interesting
[02:27:03] <archivist> it is hard to know which roundtuit to work on when there is no actual work to do
[02:27:23] <Cromaglious> hmmm do I take in my ubuntu box in to the space tomorrow... I think I do...
[02:28:00] <Cromaglious> well my photo interruptors are on their way back to china... post office said Insufficient address
[02:28:12] <Cromaglious> basturds
[02:28:12] <archivist> hehe
[02:28:35] <Cromaglious> wish I looked on the 21st.. I could have rescued them
[02:29:28] <Cromaglious> they were just 4.8 miles away
[02:30:55] <archivist> was the address that bad or useless postoffice
[02:31:34] <Cromaglious> dunno... I don't have a picture of the package
[02:42:26] <Cromaglious> thought I had yum oh well
[02:43:27] <Cromaglious> up to 21 packages including mesa
[02:44:01] <Cromaglious> oh another 3 or 4 gotten via apt-get
[03:24:56] <Cromaglious> n8
[05:06:04] <Jymmm> Heh, Frys now sells 3D printer... $2300 USD
[05:20:13] <SpeedEvil> Ow
[05:20:28] <SpeedEvil> Assuming it's not actually worth that.
[05:24:57] <Jymmm> http://www.frys.com/product/8259446?site=sa:adpages%20page:P128_SUN%20date:022215
[06:25:57] <Cromaglious> no way its worth that
[06:26:29] <SpeedEvil> But it has a camera!
[06:28:34] <Cromaglious> its a printer... if its printing i'm somewhere near or asleep... no need camera
[06:28:57] <archivist> "worth" and "what the market will bear" are unrelated :)
[06:29:18] <SpeedEvil> I wish Royal Mail would get more clue.
[06:29:40] <SpeedEvil> I want to be able to print letters from their printers near the destination, and have them recorded delivery.
[06:31:14] <Cromaglious> exactly... Post Office should have taken over email... though with a fairly flat tiered rate
[06:33:44] <Cromaglious> gn8 all
[06:46:08] <CaptHindsight> still waiting for the 4D printers
[06:49:52] <skunkworks> *printing in time and space!
[06:50:23] <skunkworks> I want a quantum printer
[06:51:46] * SpeedEvil quarks.
[06:54:04] <CaptHindsight> "FedEx, UPS Refuse to Ship Ghost Gunner Gun Milling Machine" it's a mill!
[06:54:13] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/02/25/fedex-ups-refuse-to-ship-ghost-gunner-milling-machine/
[06:54:46] <SpeedEvil> Meh. PR.
[06:55:23] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the initial reaction was 'Oh no, more cheap publicity'
[06:56:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150226-fedex-and-ups-refuse-to-ship-a-digital-mill-that-makes-untraceable-ghost-guns.html better pics of it here
[06:56:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/fedex-and-ups-will-not-ship-digital-mill-5.jpg
[06:57:42] <skunkworks> wow. Looks like a rotozip bitg
[06:57:44] <skunkworks> bit
[06:57:45] <SpeedEvil> Sure - it's arguably silly - but complaining about a company not wishing to deal with you, when they have that legal right - from someone that's allegedly taking a stand on legal rights is a bit week
[06:57:49] <SpeedEvil> wake
[06:57:54] <SpeedEvil> weak
[07:25:37] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: iirc its not taht simple
[07:26:18] <Loetmichel> in germany the DHL have a official obligience to carrry ANY package from any citizen unless PRIVEN legal issues
[07:26:21] <Loetmichel> PROVEN
[07:26:33] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[07:26:37] <Loetmichel> i think in the us the usps will be in a similar role
[07:26:47] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, that is not the case for UPS, or FEDEX - in this case.
[07:26:52] <SpeedEvil> UPS is not USPS
[07:27:06] <Loetmichel> yes
[07:27:21] <Loetmichel> so that leaves usps to the "gfun maker"
[07:27:23] <Loetmichel> gun
[07:28:10] <SpeedEvil> Also - IIRC Fedex has a long history of not accepting anything at all gun-related.
[07:28:25] <SpeedEvil> Even when not prohibited by law
[07:42:30] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: what i meant: most of the companys may have been in the right to deny him their services: one is not by definition...
[07:55:16] <jdh> I've shipped guns fedex
[07:56:45] <malcom2073> I'm waiting for someone to say "It's my religion to ship guns, so they can't deny me service". It's bound to happen
[08:03:48] <JT-Shop> brrr it's 45F... in the shop!
[08:04:36] <malcom2073> I believe it's 30ish in mine... fortunatly I'm not in there :-D
[08:04:40] <malcom2073> I will be this evening though :/
[08:07:20] <Swapper> its a world of differance to have some heat in the garage :)
[08:12:27] <malcom2073> I agree, I'll hopefully have my heater running soon
[08:55:45] <JT-Shop> anyone build a 4-20ma signal generator?
[08:55:56] <JT-Shop> or know how to build one cheap and fast
[08:59:23] <archivist> ew that takes be back to the 1960's had to calibrate 4-20ma loops
[09:00:20] <archivist> it is just a variable constant current source
[09:01:16] <archivist> so any accurate constant (or measure it with an accurate meter) current generator
[09:04:15] <archivist> it was used in the brewery I was helping fit out for valve control and vat weight measuring etc
[09:07:22] <JT-Shop> I need to test some bar gauges that take 4-20ma
[09:07:41] <lookup> Quick question, I am using a 2D plotter with no Z-Axis, however all of the G-Code path generators don’t take this into effect. What would be my best chance at drawing a path most suitable for 2D photos.
[09:08:19] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Would a current-limiting power supply work?
[09:08:32] <FinboySlick> (the kind you find in school electronics labs and such)
[09:08:34] <JT-Shop> if I had one I guess it would
[09:08:51] <archivist> or a pot and op amp
[09:09:07] <JT-Shop> I have a lab power supply but it is only 18v and this system is 24v
[09:09:17] <archivist> http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/43-09/current_source.html
[09:09:53] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Your supply would probably still work, 4-20ma is designed to cope with voltage drops over long cables.
[09:10:00] <archivist> voltage matters little, it is the current that is sensed
[09:10:29] <JT-Shop> I need to hook it up and see how fine the fine adjust knob is
[09:11:03] <archivist> a google images "accurate constant current source circuit 4-20" finds a bunch
[09:11:26] * JT-Shop goes to dig around to see if I have a PLC with an analog out card
[09:11:30] <pcw_home> use a series resistor and measure the loop current with a decent DVM
[09:11:45] <archivist> the cheap way :)
[09:11:58] <pcw_home> (using a adjustable voltage supply)
[09:13:02] <JT-Shop> I have an adjustable voltage supply
[09:13:18] <JT-Shop> what size resistor
[09:13:39] <dirty_d> an opamp driving a transistor with the negative feedback being the sense resistor voltage would work no?
[09:13:40] <pcw_home> say 500 Ohm with a 24V supply
[09:13:53] <dirty_d> and the signal going to the non-inverting input
[09:14:30] <archivist> whatever suits you and the resolution of your dvm I would use a 10 or 100 so the reading is sensible
[09:15:40] <archivist> 1k is 1 volt per milliamp
[09:16:20] <JT-Shop> ok, let me dig up a resistor
[09:17:44] <pcw_home> 1W or so
[09:18:51] <pcw_home> (or multiple smaller parallel or series)
[09:19:06] <jdh> I have a nifty fluke process calibrator that sources current and voltage
[09:22:49] <archivist> it is amazing that after all these years 4-20 is still around
[09:23:30] <archivist> reasonable standards do survive
[09:26:33] <Deejay> re
[09:28:34] <JT-Shop> 470 ohm gives me 20ma at about 9v
[09:29:14] <JT-Shop> does that sound right?
[09:29:52] <Deejay> yip
[09:30:00] <Swapper> archivist: but its quite rugged way to send signal isnt it?
[09:30:36] <Swapper> archivist: btw, i added the 120ohm resistors to the powermeeter and i can now read the value i had problems with before.
[09:30:47] <Swapper> regarding the modbus problems
[09:30:50] <archivist> basically yes but for slow changing signals
[09:30:55] <pcw_home> also can power the devices on the loop
[09:31:26] <archivist> Swapper, Ok so was the terminator
[09:31:37] <Swapper> yea the absense of them
[09:31:44] <Swapper> the installers hadnt botherd
[09:31:53] <pcw_home> that is, there are 4-20 ma loop powered sensors and even readouts
[09:32:01] <archivist> your first lesson in transmission line reflections :)
[09:32:24] <jdh> we have 4-20 everywhere
[09:32:30] <Swapper> archivist: ive been down that path before but always thaught " it works or it dosnt"
[09:32:58] <Swapper> not that i can have consistent errors based on faulty installation like you explaind , that where new to me
[09:33:16] <archivist> I have been fixing stuff all my life, seen too many only just almost working
[09:33:48] <Swapper> now i only need to figure why i get negative AMP values
[09:35:19] <JT-Shop> PCW, thanks
[09:45:41] * FinboySlick is only just almost working, but that's because he does IT.
[09:46:37] <jdh> Hey, I'm working too!
[09:47:07] <archivist> I only had about 2 hours work this week
[09:47:33] <jdh> I only did about 2 hrs
[09:48:29] <jdh> I'm supposed to move a bunch of MMI's off XP
[09:48:59] <archivist> onto what I refuse to move to win 8+
[09:49:03] <jdh> but the old MMI package won't work in win7
[09:49:31] <FinboySlick> jdh: Thanks for reminding me how lucky I am not to do Windows IT.
[09:49:36] <jdh> so I had to buy $21k worth of new lcenses
[09:50:17] <archivist> I had to move an office off xp a few weeks back, got some win7 boxes off fleabay
[09:50:45] <Swapper> i hate windows 8 and server 2012
[09:50:50] <FinboySlick> I wish ReactOS was a done deal.
[09:51:02] <jdh> then reload wonderware, plc programmers, drive/controller packages, source, etx
[09:51:28] <jdh> and rebuild the windows for the new version
[09:51:29] <Jymmm> VM's FTW
[09:54:09] <jdh> which I should be doing instead of whinging
[09:54:15] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I see it as the insidious return of the mainframe.
[09:54:38] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: What, VM's?
[09:54:43] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Yes.
[09:55:08] <Rab> That happened 15 years ago with Terminal Services.
[09:55:32] <archivist> over selling VMs is a crime
[09:55:42] <jdh> we get 'thin client' pushes from IT every few years
[09:56:01] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Are you out of your fucking mind?! VM's are AWESOME!!! you can deploy/restore/recover/duplicate as fast as you can copy files.
[09:56:23] <archivist> and also provide a slow service
[09:56:55] <Swapper> vms is the shit
[09:56:55] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I'm not saying they don't have a legitimate use. Just that they're not the cure for everything IT they're being made to be.
[09:57:01] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: No install, reboot, update, reboot, install drivers, reboot, install service pack, reboot, install apps, reboot, update apps, reboot, reboot just because you havne't rebooted in 5 minutes, reboot
[09:57:17] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Well, yeah, but that's mostly a case of crappy OS.
[09:57:35] <Swapper> Templates ftw
[09:58:04] <Jymmm> If I install an app or driver, if it fucks up I van just revert to snapshot in 30 seconds without even rebooting
[09:58:24] <Jymmm> Virus? Malware? revert to snapshot
[09:58:25] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: That, or you could have a good FS that allows for snapshots.
[09:59:04] <FinboySlick> VMs are mostly a band-aid for windows problems nowadays.
[09:59:22] <Jymmm> Hardly, can use for nix too
[10:00:13] <Jymmm> I want Type 1 embedded into HW at the BIOS level. Then any install is really just a VM
[10:00:15] <Swapper> Vms are a product of vastly improved cpus and memory
[10:00:22] <FinboySlick> They have their use, as i said. But these uses are not 'let's put it in a vm so we can dodge all the faults in our design'.
[10:00:33] <Swapper> how would it look to have physicals when you run 1000 vms ?
[10:00:35] <Jymmm> phy hdd just store the VM
[10:00:53] <Jymmm> Swapper: hmmm?
[10:01:29] <FinboySlick> Swapper: That's one of the legitimate uses, if you need 1000 machines in a rack, you go VM.
[10:01:30] <Jymmm> Swapper: We ran 30 VM servers from two (redundant) boxes
[10:03:00] <FinboySlick> The OS should have good snapshotting. Using a vm because you want snapshotting is just a band-aid.
[10:03:41] <Jymmm> snapshots are not the only benefit of VM's
[10:03:59] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I know, but you get the point.
[10:04:10] <Swapper> its vastly more space efficient to run vms
[10:04:23] <Jymmm> Well, when ZFS becomes mainstream
[10:04:32] <Swapper> we run over 1000 vms + physical servers and the vms rule any day
[10:05:00] <Swapper> backup managment(snapshot) restore, DR , HA , DRS you name it
[10:05:20] <Swapper> the fact that if our main datacenter go down we fail over within 2 min to site 2
[10:05:25] <Swapper> do that on hardware
[10:05:30] <Jymmm> When I NEVER have to "INSTALL", just copy over an OS. I'll be happy
[10:06:04] <Swapper> when a OS is as simple as installing an "APP" i would be happy, and that printers go and die
[10:06:40] <Jymmm> Swapper: you're having issues with printing? lol
[10:06:55] <Swapper> i SO HATE printers
[10:07:02] <Jymmm> Swapper: Why?
[10:07:12] <Swapper> Mainly printer drivers
[10:07:29] <Swapper> and that users/costomers have all diferent kinds
[10:07:42] <Jymmm> Swapper: oh, different companies?
[10:07:50] <Swapper> and if they realy whant to make our life dificoult they all have 1 private printer
[10:07:51] <jdh> vms is properly known as OpenVMS now
[10:08:32] <Swapper> Jymmm: yea lots of diferent companies, we host there I T
[10:08:56] <Jymmm> Swapper: lol, I hated that "private printer" shit, but the easiest thing to do is seup a Win server srictly as a print queue for EVERYTHING, works great
[10:09:18] <Jymmm> no DIRECT printing, ever!
[10:09:24] <Swapper> we do that but it still goes belly up some times
[10:09:58] <Swapper> Microsoft GPP is sometimes "special" to handle :)
[10:10:04] <Jymmm> You just restart the print service nightly
[10:10:13] <Swapper> and crappy drivers on top of that
[10:10:56] <Swapper> oh yea, java and adobe can go and shove there stuff to
[10:11:10] <Jymmm> Yeah, just setup a VM of a win box for a print queue, and you'll reduces your tequiia intake by 80%
[10:12:26] <Swapper> i am having a vision to implement a system that uses RFID to check out the prints at the printer
[10:12:27] <jdh> I always bypass the IT win print queues
[10:12:31] <Swapper> but havnt had the time
[10:13:07] <FinboySlick> Allow me to re-state how lucky I am not to have to admin windows.
[10:13:20] <Swapper> FinboySlick: yep :)
[10:13:40] <Swapper> paperless office here we come (1995)
[10:13:53] <Swapper> paperless office where not (2015)
[10:17:03] <FinboySlick> Swapper: Hehe, we still deal with fax trouble here.
[10:17:30] <Swapper> ahh ok, that i dont have as much
[10:17:45] <Swapper> its all gone over to external fax > email serivices
[10:17:58] <Swapper> or email alltogether
[10:18:39] <FinboySlick> Swapper: Lawyers aren't even allowed to upgrade to that around here.
[10:19:26] <Swapper> i think the only rules we have is that the goverment have to print stuff to paper
[10:19:29] <Swapper> for archiving
[10:19:38] <Swapper> and the "books" have to be saved i think in paper
[10:19:52] <Swapper> and that they cant leave the country
[10:21:57] <Swapper> later, going home
[10:22:59] <ssi> lol someone sent me a picture of a form he got
[10:23:15] <ssi> and it says "This fax was automatically sent by the FAA's Registry Modernization System"
[10:23:20] <ssi> I lol'd irl
[10:34:25] <FinboySlick> I watched 'Bullit' a few months ago. They had a fax at the police station.
[10:34:40] <FinboySlick> Circa 1968.
[10:47:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQGAaCSFlJI Bullitt Telecopier
[10:55:08] <FinboySlick> Gotta love Steve McQueen's intense stare when the machine winds down.
[11:45:40] <CaptHindsight> speaking of old services http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en/another_region_items/531 has contact info including Telex
[11:51:29] <Rab> Leonard Nimoy 1931-2015
[11:51:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCcK-XSuaHs 3D Printing of a small Jet Engine, go Aussies
[11:52:41] <archivist> a toy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brown-amp-Sharpe-2B-Single-Spindle-/111606015558
[11:54:11] <CaptHindsight> archivist: do you move your machines yourself?
[11:54:35] <ssi> archivist: is it a grinder?
[11:54:39] <archivist> I have done, when I had a trailer
[11:55:13] <archivist> ssi no a single spindle cam driven automatic lathe
[11:55:18] <ssi> ah
[11:55:31] <archivist> cnc fodder
[11:56:00] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I have a hard time seeing SLS turbine parts withstanding the temps
[11:56:37] <DaViruz> "3d printing of a small jet engine"
[11:56:45] <DaViruz> must be very small, because i didn't even see it
[11:56:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.scienceinpublic.com.au/media-releases/monash-avalonairshow-2015#more-20018
[11:57:01] <ssi> http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4990290+_b83e0224f3804f6b69e54d2d5041dfd5.gif
[11:57:25] <archivist> CaptHindsight, and I always do my machine/large lump moves at home or wherever myself, I like to keep idiots out the way
[11:58:03] <CaptHindsight> archivist: same here
[11:58:28] <archivist> they wonder why I shout at them when they get too close to a propped item
[12:00:32] <archivist> bottom right machine was about the most dangerous http://www.claymills.org.uk/tour/workshop.html
[12:01:40] <archivist> side arm shaper earth floor at the time, open pit in front, move it off the floor back to its holding down bolts
[12:04:33] <archivist> better image not scaled http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010347.JPG
[12:04:42] <CaptHindsight> ssi: the alloys are the same for SLS as they are for casting
[12:06:04] <CaptHindsight> what they leave out form the SLS stories is how the parts get heat treated after printing
[12:06:10] <CaptHindsight> form/from
[12:06:28] <DaViruz> seeing it actually run also seems left out
[12:06:49] <pcw_home> probably asplode
[12:09:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/3dprinting.html the injectors don't reach the 6000 F
[12:12:03] <skunkworks> rip Leonard Nimoy
[12:13:11] <roycroft> he's not dead yet!
[12:18:04] <skunkworks> he's dead Jim..
[12:18:04] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately yes he is... very sad
[12:18:57] <jdh> dont smoke
[12:19:20] <PetefromTn_> never could understand why anyone would want to..
[12:19:38] <roycroft> the reports on facebook are a hoax
[12:19:52] <roycroft> oh, now it's on the mainstream media
[12:20:05] <roycroft> there were reports two days ago on facebook that he died
[12:20:12] <PetefromTn_> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/star-trek-star-leonard-nimoy-dies-83/story?id=29274628
[12:20:15] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I don't think turbine blades in modern jets are cast either
[12:20:41] <zeeshan> hey guys
[12:20:47] <zeeshan> anyone have a lot of experience with hydraulic fittings?
[12:20:48] <zeeshan> :/
[12:20:49] <roycroft> yes, i see that the la times and ny times have confirmed that he passed this morning
[12:20:53] <roycroft> now i am sad
[12:20:53] <zeeshan> non common ones..
[12:21:01] <jdh> I saw a bunch being machined the other day
[12:21:35] <archivist> they leak
[12:21:56] <CaptHindsight> ssi: they used to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKnICj-j2wI
[12:22:25] <jdh> whats an uncommon one
[12:22:56] <archivist> ssi, you should see RR stuff, but they keep a lot secret
[12:26:19] <archivist> The BBC did a series last year but they kept a lot of the turbine blade stuff out (cameras not allowed in)
[12:28:11] <CaptHindsight> probably to hide the child migrant workers :)
[12:28:38] <archivist> I know some of the work got exported
[12:28:38] <CaptHindsight> their little fingers can perform more precision assembly
[12:28:56] <ssi> lul
[12:29:06] <archivist> I got kicked off site on my first visit, was too young!
[12:29:32] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16477085580/
[12:29:34] <zeeshan> sorry for the big hand
[12:29:35] <zeeshan> :-)
[12:29:39] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16478343989/in/photostream/
[12:29:44] <zeeshan> female and male side
[12:29:50] <zeeshan> straight threads m12x1.5
[12:29:55] <archivist> under 18 at the time
[12:31:34] <archivist> zeeshan, you could make a new one on the lathe
[12:31:45] <zeeshan> archivist: ive learned one thing
[12:31:52] <zeeshan> and i dont mean to put down your idea :P
[12:32:08] <zeeshan> if you can buy it for relatively cheap, buy it! that way you can spend time on stuff you want to do!
[12:32:26] <cradek> zeeshan: that looks like old fuel/brake line, the type where you put the donut on the tube and the nut squishes it to seal
[12:32:29] <zeeshan> if i cant find it , that will have to be done
[12:32:30] <archivist> but you wanted the learning experience
[12:32:43] * archivist ducks and runs
[12:32:44] <cradek> zeeshan: you just cut off the end with a tubing cutter and use a new donut
[12:33:05] <zeeshan> wait
[12:33:09] <zeeshan> youre saying this is car brake line?
[12:33:12] <zeeshan> it looks different
[12:33:17] * cradek shrugs
[12:33:17] <zeeshan> but then again my car stuff is m10x1
[12:33:27] <zeeshan> so this is odd looking to me
[12:33:29] <cradek> hard to tell the scale
[12:33:29] <zeeshan> i think youre right
[12:34:21] <ssi> yeah that's compression fittings
[12:34:26] <ssi> also wtf hobbit hands
[12:34:36] <archivist> car brake usually has the tube pushed up into shape, that is a compression fitting
[12:35:06] <cradek> look at you guys and your correct terms for stuff
[12:35:13] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:35:14] <cradek> that one is called "the kind where the donut squishes"
[12:35:19] <zeeshan> hahaha
[12:35:22] <ssi> precision in language is an important facet of engineering :D
[12:35:27] <archivist> I would be cutting that ring and not the tube to repair
[12:35:57] <cradek> surely the tube will be squished too (necked down where the donut was)
[12:36:12] <archivist> the tube often is out of shape due to a previous gorilla
[12:36:19] <zeeshan> why are we cutting stuff
[12:36:28] <zeeshan> the fittings are fine
[12:36:33] <zeeshan> i need a plug for the hose
[12:36:38] <archivist> the donut needs to be replaced to get a seal
[12:36:38] <cradek> haha
[12:36:49] <zeeshan> cause the hydraulics feeds both horizontal and vertical spindle drawbars
[12:36:53] <archivist> ask a better question!
[12:37:07] <zeeshan> since i dont have a vertical spindle one, id like to plug the hyd. hose to vertical drawbar
[12:37:23] <zeeshan> but to get a plug, i need to know what fitting it is
[12:37:54] <archivist> cap, blanking plug
[12:38:01] <zeeshan> http://agscompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/BLA-B710.png
[12:38:06] <zeeshan> could i take a regular brake line fitting like this
[12:38:11] <zeeshan> weld the end of it
[12:38:14] <zeeshan> and shove it in?
[12:39:34] <zeeshan> http://www.esska-tech.co.uk/esska_eng/bilder/hauptbilder_neu/96_verschraubungen/9622_stopfen/962290000200_700.jpg
[12:39:38] <zeeshan> doesnt look like it has the taper
[12:39:39] <zeeshan> for the seal
[12:41:08] <archivist> or make something like http://www.parquiponline.com/epages/r7pkf3sqk6uj.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/r7pkf3sqk6uj/Products/HBP10
[12:42:02] <archivist> this is better http://www.titaninst.com/universal-44-unf-10mm-od-x-9-16-unf-st-st-blanking-plug.html
[12:42:25] <archivist> probably wrong thread but design is right
[12:42:27] <zeeshan> it needs to be an inverted version
[12:42:27] <zeeshan> of that
[12:42:33] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16477085580/in/photostream/
[12:42:39] <zeeshan> im trying to plug this
[12:43:21] <archivist> that needs a cap not a plug
[12:43:25] <zeeshan> oh
[12:44:06] <archivist> blanking cap is the search term (plus fitting type and size)
[12:44:51] <zeeshan> ok ill take a look after work
[12:44:51] <zeeshan> :)
[12:45:14] <archivist> something like http://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/512x512/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/P/2/P21171467_42.jpg
[12:45:15] <zeeshan> thanks!
[12:46:10] <zeeshan> do you know what the taper angle is?
[12:46:16] <zeeshan> for the flare to seat on
[12:46:30] <archivist> and the donut is called an olive over here
[12:46:45] <zeeshan> for car stuff we cal lit a bubble flare
[12:47:23] <archivist> bubble flare is the pipe itself upset in the tooling though
[12:47:57] <zeeshan> thats true
[12:47:58] <archivist> I think the angles depend on standard
[12:48:04] <zeeshan> i dont know much about compression fittings
[12:48:33] <zeeshan> the japense use a double flare
[12:48:43] <zeeshan> http://www.rtsauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bubble-flare-vs-double-flare-360x219.jpg
[12:48:45] <zeeshan> i remember this
[12:48:52] <zeeshan> so easy to make em weep if y ou swap those 21
[12:48:53] <zeeshan> *2
[12:49:51] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any thoughts on laser sintered single crystal superalloys vs castings?
[12:50:00] <archivist> anyway look in your machine parts list to see whose hydraulic fittings were used
[12:50:09] <zeeshan> archivist: lol
[12:50:18] <zeeshan> that aint happening!
[12:50:22] <zeeshan> no manual, yet
[12:50:34] <archivist> I thought you were on to getting that real soon now :)
[12:50:43] <zeeshan> i told them to order it, but no response yet
[12:50:47] <zeeshan> that was a couple days ago
[12:51:01] <andypugh> Can you laser-sinter into a single crystal? I would be very surprised if that was possible.
[12:51:01] <archivist> I remembered
[12:52:11] <zeeshan> archivist: if i was gonna make that fitting
[12:52:15] <zeeshan> how would i do the internal angle? :)
[12:52:17] <zeeshan> its kinda tight in ther
[12:52:19] <zeeshan> *there
[12:52:46] <archivist> I would grind up a small boring tool
[12:52:48] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: could the parts be heat treated after sintering to get a single crystal?
[12:53:06] <archivist> I doubt that CaptHindsight
[12:53:14] <CaptHindsight> or is that temp to close to its softening point?
[12:53:31] <CaptHindsight> reflow it
[12:53:46] <archivist> crystal making is an art form in an oven
[12:53:58] <andypugh> Rolls-Royce know how to heat-treat castings to convert them into single crystals. They refuse to patent the process…..
[12:54:10] <CaptHindsight> sinter, then place in ceramic mold, heat to melting pint?
[12:54:15] <andypugh> (So nobody knows _how_ they do it)
[12:54:15] <archivist> to hide the method
[12:54:21] <zeeshan> archivist: maybe i can use a threading insert :)
[12:54:37] <archivist> too large
[12:55:01] <zeeshan> http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/ttrikalin/tailstock%20drilling%20adaptor/IMG_7214.jpg
[12:55:05] <zeeshan> i guess i need something like that
[12:55:05] <zeeshan> :P
[12:55:08] <archivist> hell the taper from a drill bit may be ok
[12:55:14] <zeeshan> hahahahaha
[12:55:19] <CaptHindsight> I don't see why that won't work
[12:55:42] <zeeshan> i could take a shitty drill bit
[12:55:48] <zeeshan> and grind a custom taper to it
[12:55:56] <zeeshan> i have that drill bit grinder
[12:56:10] * zeeshan isnt the greatest at hand grinding
[12:57:24] <andypugh> Argh! They are called “Olives” not “Donuts"
[12:57:25] * FinboySlick thinks he'll get a $46.99 framed print of that.
[12:57:30] <andypugh> (Been reading back)
[12:58:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.google.com/patents/US4381944 Superalloy article repair method and alloy powder mixture
[12:58:39] <andypugh> Olive removal_ http://youtu.be/6kK9W3M3vT0
[13:00:00] <archivist> andypugh, I have one of those tools, now I know what it is!
[13:00:31] <archivist> monument made another which cuts
[13:02:17] <archivist> http://www.corgi-direct.com/monument-15mm-olive-cutter-1-3420325?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=GB&utm_campaign=GoogleBase&gclid=CLmCzq3jgsQCFY_MtAodGHsAtA
[13:02:48] <archivist> not very good, makes your hand hurt
[13:05:44] <andypugh> zeeshan: I got a whole bunch of tiny boring bars from eBay. Search for Horn (105, supermini) :https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#6057493351291797154
[13:07:16] <andypugh> archivist: “Pah! You have a _woman’s_ Hands!”
[13:08:28] <archivist> you should try this tool, this was when I was scrapping all day
[13:09:10] <archivist> I used a pair of snips faster and easier than the monument
[13:09:31] <archivist> snips/end nippers
[13:12:01] <andypugh> Oh, I _know_ I have a woman’s hands. A work colleague took a photo that my hands appeared in and his wife was jealous of my nails. :-)
[13:15:45] <archivist> I was entertained a bit yesterday, delivered two double glazed units, got back to van and found fingers sticking to each other, did not feel the cut at all
[13:27:09] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/mechanical-drives/polymers-outperform-metals-precision-gearing
[13:36:25] <zeeshan> andypugh: thats a mother load!
[13:36:54] <andypugh> Not bad for £70 (they list at £25 each)
[13:37:05] <zeeshan> are they coated hss?
[13:37:06] <zeeshan> or carbide
[13:37:26] <zeeshan> im assuming hss
[13:37:31] <zeeshan> from the heat scoring :-)
[13:38:46] <archivist> ph horn do lots of carbide stuff
[13:39:38] <archivist> hmm I dont see one small enough to bore 2 mm there :)
[13:39:51] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5925420197652077922
[13:39:53] <zeeshan> nice andypugh
[13:40:03] <zeeshan> you made your own t fitting
[13:40:54] <andypugh> I was in a hurry. That’s quite a big-bore fitting for a car cooling system.
[13:41:05] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5860860184697043874
[13:41:11] <zeeshan> i need an outboard support like that for my mill
[13:41:11] <zeeshan> :{
[13:41:12] <andypugh> archivist: Horn do boring bars down to 0.2mm
[13:42:02] <archivist> I know they do very small too I have a catalogue, I made an hss one for the job I was doing
[13:42:58] <zeeshan> andypugh:
[13:42:59] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5753625305369773122
[13:43:02] <andypugh> I actually think that the smallest one down by the penny is smaller than 2mm
[13:43:02] <zeeshan> what is this nonsense
[13:43:33] <andypugh> I am a bad welder <shrug>
[13:43:47] <zeeshan> nope
[13:43:49] <zeeshan> not you
[13:43:56] <zeeshan> youre trying to well 1000 series aluminum there
[13:44:01] <zeeshan> weld
[13:44:04] <zeeshan> which welds like ass
[13:44:05] <zeeshan> :/
[13:44:17] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5501336824053407474
[13:44:18] <andypugh> It’s what I had.
[13:44:18] <zeeshan> i like this
[13:44:30] <zeeshan> youve done a lot of work
[13:44:32] <zeeshan> on different areas
[13:44:40] <zeeshan> respect :)
[13:45:09] <andypugh> There is a YouTube video of the drawbar, if you are interested.
[13:45:43] <zeeshan> i think i have seen it
[13:45:46] <zeeshan> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5611905035055922322
[13:45:51] <zeeshan> you made these splines?
[13:47:41] * zeeshan will be back
[13:47:51] <Connor> Leonard Nimoy, 'Star Trek's' Spock, dead at 83 :( :( :( :( :(
[13:49:54] <roycroft> www.roycroft.us/bilbo.mov
[13:49:57] <roycroft> happy spock :)
[14:15:17] <jdh> stoned spock
[14:16:01] <XXCoder> woot
[14:16:05] <XXCoder> got job :)
[14:16:12] <CaptHindsight> \0/
[14:16:41] <jdh> cool
[14:16:46] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:16:50] <XXCoder> start this monday
[14:17:05] <Connor> XXCoder: doing what?
[14:17:12] <CaptHindsight> no more having to stay at home and chat on IRC
[14:17:13] <XXCoder> cnc machinist
[14:17:28] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I was busy full time job before :P
[14:17:30] <XXCoder> intern
[14:18:24] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Any noteworthy machines you'll get to pilot?
[14:18:44] <XXCoder> thet got bunch of machines
[14:18:47] <XXCoder> 25 I guess?
[14:19:08] <FinboySlick> Well, I assumed as much. I was wondering which you thought were most interesting.
[14:19:12] <XXCoder> one ahs over 50 tools, one has auto loader, one is over 120 inch long 10'
[14:28:26] <XXCoder> reading new employee stuff
[14:28:43] <XXCoder> only shattuck can take off lockouts for machines
[14:28:58] <XXCoder> so if your machine is locked out you're shat out of tuck :P
[14:31:01] <Cromaglious_> ugh waiting for makercam to generate some g code
[14:31:12] <XXCoder> wait is fun
[14:36:35] <XXCoder> hey tjtr33
[14:36:39] <XXCoder> I got job :)]
[14:37:34] <Cromaglious_> yea!!!
[14:38:08] <Rab> XXCoder, congrats!
[14:38:20] <Cromaglious_> oh that's why.. material at 0 and cut is at 0.25 will give you a M5,M30 file... -0.25 actually works
[14:39:30] <XXCoder> thanks
[14:40:26] <andypugh> zeeshan: Yes, I made the splines.
[14:43:01] <tjtr33> warning , those HP dc7800 SFF are waste of money & time. turned off everything disable-able in bios, tried idle=poll, isolcpus=1, combos of thos, and simply moving the mouse gets > 70000 base thread latency. dont even think of a flash video.
[14:43:34] <tjtr33> a usb mouse is slighlty BETTER than ps2
[14:43:50] <XXCoder> tjtr33: ps2 uses actual cpu INT
[14:43:58] <XXCoder> so it interrupts cpu
[14:44:00] <XXCoder> usb does not
[14:44:37] <andypugh> zeeshan: A slightly crazy setup: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5611904480713910226
[14:44:42] <tjtr33> ok 69xxx latency with usb mouse
[14:44:59] <XXCoder> tjtr33: try ps2 mouse, keep moving it while latency
[14:45:02] <XXCoder> it will be worse
[14:45:12] <andypugh> It’s what Machinerys Handbook calls an “Automotive Spline” which you can cut with the corner of an end-mill.
[14:45:28] <tjtr33> i didnt explain well, its crap with either
[14:45:30] <XXCoder> andypugh: its making ball screw?
[14:46:06] <andypugh> No, just putting the right end on a ballscrew
[14:46:12] <XXCoder> ahh
[14:46:18] <XXCoder> wonder how tough it is to make one
[14:46:18] <Rab> tjtr33, using SATA HDD?
[14:46:23] <tjtr33> yes
[14:48:25] <Cromaglious_> fsck'n Mach3... using makercam code Radius to end of arc differs from to start
[14:48:36] <XXCoder> Nimoy, or guy who acts Spock died
[14:48:43] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Could grind your own with a cnc lathe grinder
[14:49:16] <Cromaglious_> Lenny Nimoy
[14:49:25] <Rab> tjtr33, the one I ordered will be here soon enough; I'll try to correlate your experience.
[14:49:44] <Cromaglious_> Damn! first De then Monty now Lenny
[14:50:07] <tjtr33> sorry bout that, i think its a waste of money and time, this morning it was over 250000 with no chgs, just running it in
[14:50:24] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah too bad no lathe here lol
[14:50:42] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: are those the $40 ebay specials?
[14:50:56] <tjtr33> yes, want one? cheap!
[14:51:08] <XXCoder> that looks like 6 feet for $40
[14:51:14] <XXCoder> cheap
[14:51:16] <tjtr33> we cannot have video ( and evil gl ) on same box
[14:51:17] <CaptHindsight> heh, friends don't let friends use Intel
[14:51:33] <Rab> Somebody--ssi?--bought like a dozen of them, it'll be interesting to see what he has to say.
[14:57:17] <ssi> what'd I buy?
[14:57:45] <Rab> Those $39 eBay computers?
[14:57:48] <ssi> oh
[14:57:50] <ssi> I bought two
[14:57:52] <ssi> not a dozen :)
[14:58:03] <Rab> Probably someone else.
[14:58:10] <furrywolf> anyone here have experience with intermodal shipping?
[14:58:11] <Rab> Have you had a chance to test them?
[14:58:12] <Connor> $39.00 ebay computers?
[14:58:13] <ssi> jymmm was gonna buy a bunch
[14:58:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572 these?
[14:58:17] <ssi> no, not yet
[14:58:35] <ssi> yep
[14:58:37] <Rab> CaptHindsight, yep.
[14:59:37] <CaptHindsight> what chipset is in that box?
[14:59:55] <CaptHindsight> the cpu http://ark.intel.com/products/30783/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E6550-4M-Cache-2_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB
[14:59:59] <furrywolf> I need to figure out how to get a large amount of my relative's stuff from NJ to CA... I could drive a u-haul, but that's a lot of work, and they want $3000 for the rental and it'd cost $1000 in gas... wondering if I could buy a 20ft container, pack it all in there, and have the container shipped here.
[15:00:14] <CaptHindsight> yup
[15:00:26] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how large is it?
[15:00:39] <XXCoder> maybe get cheap trailer if small enough
[15:00:48] <XXCoder> it probably will be ruined by end but hey $300
[15:00:49] <pcw_home> If you have 250000 latency you probably still have power management/fan control on
[15:00:52] <furrywolf> XXCoder: we could fit it all in a 20ft container easily, at least the portion we're keeping...
[15:01:29] <CaptHindsight> maybe the BIOS is broken, you turn of power management and it doesn't turn off
[15:02:27] <pcw_home> Should not really matter with the correct kernel settings
[15:03:24] <tjtr33> pcw_home, theres no 'turn off' in bios, there is a 'progress bar' where you can raise or lower the fan manually. you HEAR it, it tried off & i tried max and middle. still crazy numbers triggerd by sizing window or moving mouse
[15:03:44] <Jymmm> ssi: Ii bit the bullet on one, ETA Wednesday
[15:03:49] <ssi> cool
[15:03:53] <pcw_home> what os/kernel
[15:04:04] <tjtr33> debian wheezy pae....
[15:04:27] <tjtr33> another machine have to go look
[15:10:18] <unfies> btw, just for a cute note - don't trust ark - intel. it lies frequently :D
[15:11:08] <tjtr33> screenshot of uname -a and latency http://ibin.co/1t8PZw8ml232
[15:12:08] <CaptHindsight> unfies: that is Intel
[15:12:42] <CaptHindsight> well not Lies, more untruthy
[15:13:25] <tjtr33> Linux HP 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[15:18:15] <pcw_home> http://ibin.co/1t8Rw3SYCj6c
[15:18:17] <pcw_home> similar vintage core duo running preemt-rt (and you tube videos)
[15:18:37] <XXCoder> http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/what-like-see-a-hundred-million-colors.html interesting
[15:20:28] <pcw_home> The stock Wheezy RTAI kernel also sucks on my (gen 2 I5) laptop but a current Preemt-RT kernel is much better
[15:21:34] <tjtr33> pcw_home, what i read about and buy never does what people say. i am cursed or, people do not test as hard as I do or some possibilty i have not thought of in the dozens of machines i have bought and tried.
[15:21:44] <tjtr33> i am begiining to become a disbeliever
[15:22:51] <tjtr33> whatever, i suggest people do not buy these things, till others give thier reports
[15:24:11] <ssi> I'll try to make some progress on mine this weekend
[15:24:16] <ssi> if I don't get nascar'd to death :(
[15:24:27] <tjtr33> thx
[15:27:23] <furrywolf> ... nascared to death?
[15:27:28] <ssi> yeah
[15:27:31] <ssi> the race is this weekend
[15:27:39] <ssi> and I live basically at the racetrack
[15:27:42] <ssi> so it's hell weekend for me
[15:27:57] <ssi> the landlord lets people park RVs all around our hangars for like $150 for the weekend
[15:27:59] <furrywolf> seems like a good reason to move!
[15:28:03] <ssi> and usually he parks them in front of my hangars
[15:28:18] <ssi> which would make it difficult for me to get out there to work on machines
[15:29:28] <ssi> I'm certainly willing to move, if I can find a place where I can put four airplanes and a cnc machine shop with an adequate airstrip and a place to live
[15:29:31] <ssi> for as cheap
[15:29:38] <ssi> until then, one weekend a year is tolerable
[15:29:56] <XXCoder> can car IAC be cleaned by trottle body cleaner?
[15:30:07] <ssi> prolly
[15:33:37] <XXCoder> thanks. I guess ill start with trottle body, more complete cleaning
[15:33:43] <XXCoder> then iac then finally egr
[15:33:46] <furrywolf> what are you trying to fix?
[15:33:58] <XXCoder> tomorrow all day on new termostat which is nightmare for nissan quest
[15:34:24] <XXCoder> furrywolf: stinky mpg and rough idle when warmed up (whioch is rare since it can't really warm up)
[15:34:30] <XXCoder> also, egr underflow error
[15:35:02] <furrywolf> make sure your egr sensors are in good condition
[15:35:08] <furrywolf> is the idle rough but at the proper speed?
[15:35:15] <XXCoder> more or less yeah
[15:35:28] <XXCoder> feels like air control is unsteady
[15:35:42] <XXCoder> causes cyl to semi-misfire
[15:35:44] <furrywolf> probably not iac...
[15:35:52] <XXCoder> but once moving, smooth
[15:36:31] <furrywolf> iac problems tend to show up as random stalling or idling at wrong rpm, not idling at right rpm but roughly. (unless it's a volvo, in which case it should be crushed into a cube, as the volvos with that problem aren't worth fixing)
[15:36:37] <XXCoder> it happens only when warmed, AND in idle but not when park mode
[15:37:02] <XXCoder> actually may be bit unsteady with rpm
[15:37:19] <XXCoder> quest is bit tough as well as clean it up anyway as its bit common issue
[15:37:27] <XXCoder> egr is VERY common for those too.
[15:37:39] <furrywolf> egr is very common on everything. it's an evil technology.
[15:37:45] <XXCoder> lol yea
[15:38:08] <XXCoder> well going now. plan to remove trottle body and clean it and same time egr inside part
[15:38:14] <XXCoder> thanks
[15:39:02] <furrywolf> check normal tuneup tasks, like spark plugs good, oxygen sensors good (will need obdii reader that does graphs, or an oscilloscope), fuel pressure good, no vacuum leaks, pcv valve good, etc.
[15:41:49] <furrywolf> stuck open egr, egr gasket bad, egr sensor bad can do it too, as can a bad intake gasket or similar issues.
[15:47:19] <furrywolf> so no one here has ever tried intermodal shipping?
[15:50:00] <tjtr33> had to google it, you mean ship to train to truck to site? yes, but the office handled it :)
[15:50:32] <furrywolf> yes, that's what I mean.
[15:51:05] <furrywolf> trying to move most of a small house from NJ to CA... was wondering how much it would cost to buy a 20ft container, pack it tight, and have it shipped truck-rail-truck to here.
[15:51:25] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what the gross weight of the items?
[15:51:59] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: whatever two bedroom sets, dining room table and chairs, lamps, a china cabinet and china, etc weighs. typical household items...
[15:52:39] <furrywolf> probably less than the tare of the container, for sure. :)
[15:52:50] <furrywolf> but bulky stuff
[15:53:15] <Cromaglious_> and when get here you'll have a really nice shed
[15:53:21] <furrywolf> yep!
[15:53:24] <CaptHindsight> being NJ you should be able to find a container for cheap
[15:53:27] <furrywolf> yep.
[15:53:35] <tjtr33> heh interweb is so smart 'what does my household weigh?" has loads of hits
[15:54:02] <CaptHindsight> the cost for transport is going to be ~$1k
[15:54:06] <furrywolf> it's the freight quote that's hard... most of the places I'm finding online explicitly say they don't deal with individuals, and those that don't all seem to be about having a representative contact you to see how they can handle your business logistics needs, etc.
[15:54:09] <CaptHindsight> plus insurance and fuel
[15:55:05] <Cromaglious_> now the hard part is actually getting an intermodal company to take you container
[15:55:24] <CaptHindsight> there are lots
[15:55:27] <SpeedEvil> it's probably cheaper to ship it to china, and back.
[15:56:13] <furrywolf> u-haul will ship 16ft x 7.5ft x 5ft for $2600... but then we wouldn't get to buy a cheap container at the same time.
[15:56:16] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what are the 2 zip codes?
[15:56:30] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I guess the Jeep can't pull a container :)
[15:56:44] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: it can, but I already took it across the country once. that's enough.
[15:56:48] <Cromaglious_> depends on the jeep...
[15:57:37] <furrywolf> the jeep would have no problem. it's the driver that doesn't like doing it. lol
[15:57:39] <tjtr33> the container idea maybe crippling you. a large box on a skid can be partial load, and maybe be cheaper cuz the trucker doesnt want to go back home empty. i sue online bid sites for such.
[15:57:49] <furrywolf> I'd need to hook the airbrake stuff back up too.
[15:58:15] <Cromaglious_> 20' container tares at what 6K?
[15:58:32] <furrywolf> (wouldn't want to tow anything larger than a utility trailer with nothing but the stock 4-wheel drum brakes... so would want a trailer with electric or air brakes)
[15:58:32] <CaptHindsight> or a few skids, but I think he like the idea of getting a container out of this
[15:58:39] <furrywolf> I think the one at work says 5400 on the side.
[15:58:46] <tjtr33> oh a beach house?
[15:59:04] <furrywolf> yes. containers here are STUPIDLY FUCKING OVERPRICED. beat-to-shit leaky 20-footers for $3000...
[16:00:06] <Cromaglious_> well a 20' container on a trailer with a household inside is gonna gross out over 10K#
[16:00:22] <furrywolf> the jeep could pull a semitrailer on a dolly, but the speed uphill would be a bit slow... the jeep is slow to start with...
[16:02:02] <SpeedEvil> 12MPH is not slow.
[16:02:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:02:58] <furrywolf> it has a design top speed of 55mph, and that's with the pedal down. lol
[16:04:21] <Cromaglious_> I've pulled a 17K trailer with a 3/4 ton silverado chevy pickup it had an electric brake controller.
[16:04:36] <Cromaglious_> yeah 3K over max
[16:04:52] <furrywolf> I have a 1.5ton truck, with electric brake controller, and (if I hook it all back up) air brake control.
[16:05:04] <Cromaglious_> we've replaced the axles on the trailer 3 times over the last 10 years
[16:05:16] <tjtr33> XXCoder, just scrolled back, congratulations!
[16:07:15] <furrywolf> I even installed one of the fancy electric controllers that works off hydraulic line pressure from the brake master, not one of those annoying accelerometer ones. :)
[16:10:13] <furrywolf> rather than trying to guess how hard you want to be braking, it gives you precise control matching the tow vehicle's brakes.
[16:10:49] <furrywolf> hrmm, penske is a LOT cheaper than u-haul.
[16:11:00] <furrywolf> over $1000 cheaper
[16:11:46] <furrywolf> $1500 for a penske 16ft vs $2500 for a u-haul 15ft.
[16:13:12] <furrywolf> hrmm, where can you rent a truck with a manual? driving across country with an automatic is going to suck...
[16:13:50] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Got your Class A/B ?
[16:14:45] <furrywolf> no
[16:15:24] <Jymmm> Those are the only manual I can think of.
[16:15:27] <furrywolf> budget, despite the name, is only marginally cheaper than u-haul, and $900 more than penske...
[16:16:11] <furrywolf> I rented a u-haul with a manual around 1998 or so... lol
[16:17:42] <furrywolf> was a piece of crap. about half the warning lights on the dash were on, the air suspension didn't inflate, engine had a hard time going up gentle slopes... I think it was at the end of its service life.
[16:23:36] <Deejay> gn8
[16:26:04] <zeeshan-mill> hi
[16:29:03] <bobo_> Hi zeeshan
[16:30:42] <zeeshan-mill> :)
[16:30:46] <zeeshan-mill> i got the fitting
[16:30:49] <zeeshan-mill> testing out my horziontal drawbar
[16:30:56] <bobo_> euro hyd fittings suck ! as far as north america sourceing
[16:31:21] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[16:31:22] <zeeshan-mill> yea
[16:31:25] <zeeshan-mill> guess what
[16:31:28] <zeeshan-mill> im givign this thing about 100 lb
[16:31:30] <zeeshan-mill> with prybar
[16:31:32] <zeeshan-mill> and it doesnt move
[16:31:40] <zeeshan-mill> so i guess horizontal drawbar is good
[16:33:19] <bobo_> pry bar is bobo way . make up a real tester ------I dare you
[16:33:39] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[16:33:40] <furrywolf> bbl
[16:41:21] <ssi> ugh my math is so rusty
[16:42:03] <Topy44> hi
[16:42:23] <XXCoder> tjtr33: thanks
[16:42:25] <XXCoder> hot damn
[16:42:38] <XXCoder> van trottle is fracking dirty
[16:42:55] <Topy44> quick question... is it possible to reverse linuxcnc's coordinate system for the Y axis? so that 0 is at the top left instead of bottom left
[16:43:30] <cradek> why do you think you want that? every cnc machine in the world is a right-handed coordinate system
[16:43:54] <cradek> (you can set up your machine like that, but the preview in AXIS will be the normal way)
[16:44:00] <Topy44> yeah, except... ours. :) specifically we are using linuxcnc to control a laser cutter, and we are using the lasersaur web frontend
[16:44:00] <XXCoder> I wish I can fracking remember which way is postive lol
[16:44:02] <XXCoder> I cant
[16:44:04] <zeeshan-mill> ssi what math
[16:44:09] <Topy44> which has 0 at the top left
[16:44:17] <zeeshan-mill> anyone know how the heck to stop ubuntu from bugging me
[16:44:21] <zeeshan-mill> everytime i connect to wifi
[16:44:24] <zeeshan-mill> it wants a bloody keyring
[16:44:26] <zeeshan-mill> like fuck off
[16:44:27] <ssi> zeeshan-mill: calculating the e-field of a charged disk :)
[16:44:29] <ssi> it's a 2d integral
[16:44:36] <zeeshan-mill> got the integral?
[16:44:37] <cradek> you can set up your axis directions however you want
[16:44:43] <ssi> working on it
[16:44:49] <Topy44> it works fine, but it means that we need to mirror the images when loading them into the frontend and they appear mirrored in the web frontend
[16:44:59] <Topy44> (but correct once they get into linuxcnc)
[16:45:05] <cradek> yeah :-/
[16:45:33] <Topy44> i know i can just invert the axis, but then the preview in axis will be mirrored
[16:46:14] <bobo_> zeeshan : http://adaptall.com/ ------ hyd stuff euro to other world conversion
[16:46:21] <cradek> yep unless you hack AXIS to be backwards
[16:46:32] <cradek> there's certainly no option for it, but you have the source
[16:46:44] <Topy44> yes of course, i was just wondering if there was some existing way to do it
[16:46:49] <cradek> nope, sorry
[16:47:02] <ssi> cradek: I ran into an issue on gantry machines where I incorrectly set the DISPLAY param to XYYZ, and it was doubling the Y preview area
[16:47:08] <zeeshan-mill> bobo i went to fluidline
[16:47:10] <ssi> I dont' suppose you could do something crazy like X-YZ
[16:47:14] <ssi> that'd be way too conveninet
[16:47:26] <ssi> DISPLAY GEOMETRY rather, something like that
[16:47:34] <Topy44> hm
[16:48:55] <Topy44> btw, anyone ever used "graster" or such to do laser engraving with linuxcnc?
[16:49:27] <ssi> I had laser engraving working in linuxcnc
[16:49:29] <ssi> but i didn't do a ton of it
[16:49:44] <XXCoder> lots white virus http://forum.xda-developers.com/
[16:49:46] <XXCoder> jeez
[16:49:54] <Topy44> how did you do it? using graster?
[16:50:17] <ssi> https://github.com/ianmcmahon/linuxcnc_configs/tree/master/laser
[16:50:18] <ssi> have at it
[16:50:37] <ssi> I cargoculted the engraving stuff from someone else
[16:50:44] <Topy44> thanks, i'll check it out
[16:54:14] <XXCoder> graser
[16:58:29] <bobo_> XXCoder : congts on the job
[16:58:34] <XXCoder> thanks
[17:27:34] <dgarr> tjtr33: my latency results for an hp 7800 (ebay purhase 8 mo ago), these measurements today http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/7800/
[17:29:52] <tjtr33> dgarr, thx, now please PLEASE walk me thru what i amdoinf wrong. i will collect every bois setting, every service i stopped, very grub line and get them where you can look.
[17:30:02] <tjtr33> its great to know its that good for you
[17:30:27] <tjtr33> getting data now, will take a while
[17:32:34] <PCW> still relatively terrible (I wonder how much cache size is related, the E8500 has 6M cache)
[17:37:49] <tjtr33> dgarr, had to finish up an email but i did notoce there was an entry for same machine in wiki latency pages. and i get nothing li9ke those readings
[17:38:37] <tjtr33> i DO see that theres a 'overcurrent on usb 6' so mayeb have an issue there ( despite usb irqs disabled )
[17:39:15] <tjtr33> PCW i dont know how to interpret the cache differences, thx
[17:39:55] <tjtr33> the wiki page said the user turned off audio, you cant, you can only disable the irq
[17:40:07] <tjtr33> ( not sure the 2 are equiv )
[17:40:10] <PCW> My impression after changing CPUs is that the CPU cache make a big difference in latency
[17:40:26] <PCW> might also be a different BIOS version
[17:40:30] <tjtr33> ok, well i cant unplug it ;)
[17:40:48] <tjtr33> oh, cant find u/g for nios yet
[17:40:53] <tjtr33> bios
[17:41:27] <CaptHindsight> PCW: http://diy3dprinting.blogspot.com/2014/05/openexposer-low-cost-open-source-sla-3d.html
[17:41:55] <renesis> sla is sex
[17:42:51] <PCW> Dell has BIOS images
[17:43:29] <CaptHindsight> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FSoL4FmBFUw/U4ZE6FBlLII/AAAAAAAAEV4/_5d4fRNyvyk/s1600/openexposer+diy+sla+3d+printer+2.JPG spinning laser printer mirror
[17:54:47] <dgarr> tjtr33: no idea, i don't think i did anything in the bios settings, put some photos of bios settins with the other stuff . it is odd that isolcpus=1 hurts with the rrtai on that machine, helps with the rt-preempt kernel
[17:57:04] <tjtr33> dgarr, sorry off at other machine.
[17:57:21] <tjtr33> dgarr will do.
[17:57:27] <tjtr33> thx!
[18:10:43] <Topy44> hm... i want to write a userspace component that, among other things, turns on the exhaust system
[18:11:13] <Topy44> what would be the proper way to integrate this?
[18:11:35] <Topy44> when i click "run" i want it to call the command that turns on the exhaust, wait a few seconds, and then start the job
[18:11:51] <Topy44> and send the command to stop it again after the job has finished or been cancelled
[18:13:20] <furrywolf> grrr. the new battery charger I got showed up in the mail... despite the manual clearly giving dimensions smaller than the charger it's replacing, it is, in fact, larger.
[18:15:43] <tjtr33> dgarr, using latency-test vs latency-histogram ( same stimulus, 4x glxgears, 1 of which is max'd then restored ) http://ibin.co/1t9HoYEb2dQz http://ibin.co/1t9J8fGIWxaY the 2 measures dont agree
[18:16:04] <tjtr33> dgarr, will now collect the dtaa i said i would ( was midstream b4 )
[18:17:57] <tjtr33> hmm how to screenshot bios sreens, camera or paper :)
[18:19:02] <Topy44> a "job running" hal pin would be a good start
[18:19:32] <furrywolf> The manual says it's 5.75" x 3.5" x 2". my tape measure says it's 6.25" x 3.75" x 2.75".
[18:19:48] <furrywolf> I am so so stupidly fucking sick of chinese products. this is even a major brand!
[18:20:15] <CaptHindsight> chinese inches?
[18:20:29] <dgarr> maybe Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz vs Pentium Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00 GHz
[18:20:49] <dgarr> tjtr33: what is your video -- $ lspci |grep VGA
[18:20:58] <tjtr33> Toby44 just the location of the command in the gcode might do 1st line =turn on digital output (im exhausting ) 2d line = wait digital input (im done)
[18:21:06] <tjtr33> dgarr will check
[18:21:20] <furrywolf> http://promariner.com/products/waterproof-on-board-marine-battery-chargers/promar1-series/ a real brand... but the actual device shipped does not match the specs on the web page or in the manual.
[18:22:47] <furrywolf> I spent good money on this charger specifically because it had dimensions suitable for replacing my old charger. instead, it's larger, and doesn't fit.
[18:22:59] <tjtr33> dgarr lspci |grep VGA intel 82Q35 rev 2
[18:23:12] <furrywolf> I really should just give up and become one of those people who refuses to buy anything made in china or taiwan.
[18:23:24] <tjtr33> dgarr i tried vga=791 w/o luck on grub line
[18:23:40] <tjtr33> w/o better luck )
[18:24:11] <tjtr33> furrywolf, 'finely made in Taiwan' its their motto
[18:25:26] <tjtr33> dgarr, dont worry bout it till i collect so useful info. thx for looking into it
[18:25:36] <tjtr33> some
[18:29:48] <tjtr33> Topy44, look at http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M62-M65 and M66 (iirc)
[18:31:21] <Topy44> tjtr33: but that requires those codes to be inside the gcode file, which means that if a job is cancelled the exhaust will never be turned off
[18:31:38] <tjtr33> mdi the off command
[18:31:43] <furrywolf> probably typical chinese crap - they changed suppliers and didn't update the manual, for a product they had no part in designing anything on but the label.
[18:32:10] <Topy44> tjtr33: huh?
[18:32:38] <tjtr33> issue M66 in the mdi screen, that turns it off ( or m67, look at the manual )
[18:33:58] <Topy44> well yeah, but the point is that its done automatically whenever the machine is stopped
[18:34:28] <tjtr33> got to go, you can make a btn and program the connection, as you like
[18:34:35] <zeeshan-mill> do you guys
[18:34:39] <zeeshan-mill> put a flat on end mills
[18:34:42] <zeeshan-mill> along the wholelength ?
[18:34:50] <zeeshan-mill> for indexable end mills
[18:35:37] <furrywolf> now I need to decide if I want to use this charger, which would require fabricating a new mounting bracket (not complex but not trivial either - a couple brake bends and a bunch of drilling), or buy from another company.
[18:36:29] <furrywolf> it's also annoyingly thicker, and would stick out the side
[18:39:34] <furrywolf> I figure on crap when I buy ebay shipped-from-china stuff, but I wanted this to fucking WORK, so I bought from a major brand for real money... and it's still crap.
[18:46:58] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
[18:48:07] <Connor> zeeshan-mill: You mean for set-screw style tool holders?
[18:51:20] <tjtr33> dgarr, i turned off audio irqs and all usb irqs, then i played an mp3 and _heard_ it very faint thru headphones, then i plugged in a thumb drive for the screenshots, and was able to store the pix. This means the irqs (at least) dont do what i thought they did.
[19:30:07] <MacGalempsy> archivist: you around?
[19:31:28] <MacGalempsy> archivist: looking for a pinout for a SMW RT-5CL 4th axis.
[19:38:52] <furrywolf> this charger just isn't fitting. bleh.
[19:49:25] <MacGalempsy> archivist: I think I figured it out. the last two must be the spindle brake
[20:06:35] <MacGalempsy> question: if I have 2 leads coming off an encoder, how could I check to see if they are the match set with a multimeter?
[20:14:21] <PCW> if they are a diff pair you shouls only get ~3..5V or -3..-5v never close to 0
[20:14:34] <PCW> should
[20:15:17] <PCW> (if thats what you mean by matched set)
[20:17:28] <PCW> otherwise a couple LEDs and slow shaft turning will de-mystify them
[20:17:34] <PCW> bbl
[20:22:05] <MacGalempsy> PCW: thanks for the insight. right now there is no power going to the encoder.
[20:22:42] <MacGalempsy> I have the axis off the machine, so maybe it would be best to just open up the housing and test out the leads
[20:23:49] <zeeshan-mill> anyone
[20:23:53] <zeeshan-mill> know how toget rid of this keyring bullshit
[20:23:55] <zeeshan-mill> its so annoying!!!
[20:24:01] <zeeshan-mill> wifi connection goes down
[20:24:08] <zeeshan-mill> and this thing keeps on shooting a dialog box
[20:40:26] <cpresser> zeeshan-mill: on my machines, I delte NetworkManager. and run wpa_supplicant via /etc/network/interfaces
[20:40:52] <cpresser> but in only recommend that if you really know what you are doing :)
[20:41:19] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[20:41:23] <zeeshan-mill> i dont know much about that stuff
[20:41:32] <zeeshan-mill> i was hoping it would just accept the damn password
[20:41:35] <zeeshan-mill> and stop asking me for it! :)
[20:42:11] <cpresser> i spend about 2 hours debugging simlilar stuff, then decided to do it the old fashioned way :)
[20:42:45] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[20:42:59] <zeeshan-mill> man im getting some nice surface finishes
[20:43:01] <zeeshan-mill> on this mill
[20:45:07] <XXCoder> damn
[20:45:17] <XXCoder> my van egr is very locked to exust tube
[20:45:28] <XXCoder> been trying to loosen it for over hour
[20:45:51] <zeeshan-mill> use heat
[20:45:59] <XXCoder> dont have anything
[20:46:21] <zeeshan-mill> got a pic of what youre trying to loosen?
[20:46:31] <XXCoder> lol its behind engine
[20:46:33] <XXCoder> tight space
[20:47:45] <bobo_> zeeshan is the excess lub oil ending up in the mill base left side pockets ?
[20:50:41] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[20:51:05] <XXCoder> cpresser: heard of wicd?
[20:51:15] <XXCoder> its pretty damn good but dev is weak :(
[20:53:22] <bobo_> now you may need a oil sump pump ----- these machines just never stop requiring stuff
[20:53:34] <XXCoder> I guess its still develope https://launchpad.net/wicd
[20:57:28] <cpresser> XXCoder: yep. tried it back in the day. didnt work out well
[20:57:47] <XXCoder> it was only one that worked for my laptop back then lol
[20:57:52] <cpresser> now i am back to using wpa_passphrase manually
[20:58:03] <zeeshan-mill> bob
[20:58:07] <zeeshan-mill> bobo, its very small amount
[20:58:16] <zeeshan-mill> im not going to recycyle it through the machine
[20:58:18] * cpresser is a console-guy. i like doing stuff manually
[20:58:22] <zeeshan-mill> not worth it for me
[20:59:52] <bobo_> agree ---recycle thru machine would be desaster
[21:01:16] <zeeshan-mill> i ran out of pull studs
[21:01:16] <zeeshan-mill> damn it
[21:01:55] <zeeshan-mill> where did i put andypugh's manual tool changer config
[21:17:37] <adam3999> anyone having issues with the parallel port in their J1900 motherboards?
[21:18:07] <adam3999> i noticed that i can't get any inputs in LinuxCNC or with the ptest HAL application
[21:19:56] <Cromaglious_> argh... can't find the page with the spindle on off for the yoocnc nt65
[21:20:06] <micges> adam3999: yes I saw this problem too
[21:20:15] <Topy44> sorry for repeating myself, but again:
[21:20:25] <Topy44> is there a hal pin or such that tells me if a job is running?
[21:20:44] <adam3999> micges: any resolution? i tried all of the parallel port modes in the BIOS...
[21:20:47] <micges> Topy44: halui.program.is-running
[21:20:58] <Topy44> thanks!
[21:21:17] <micges> adam3999: I don't know current status, it was some time ago when I saw first report
[21:21:41] <Topy44> actually searching for that also gave me the list of pins i was looking for :)
[21:22:01] <adam3999> micges: thanks, do you by chance remember where it was posted? linuxcnc forum?
[21:23:24] <micges> adam3999: iirc it was on some Polish forum
[21:23:40] <adam3999> hmm ok thanks
[21:23:51] <micges> adam3999: pm
[21:24:41] <adam3999> practical machinist forum?
[21:24:48] <Tom_itx> is there an issue with the parallel port on the J1800s? i'm considering getting one and would plan to use it...
[21:25:08] <adam3999> not entirely sure, i have an Asrock Q1900M
[21:25:12] <micges> adam3999: read private message
[21:25:16] <adam3999> the latency is very low and board has lots of features
[21:25:35] <micges> and is cheap
[21:25:40] <adam3999> yep
[21:25:46] <adam3999> i've had no issues milling with it
[21:25:55] <adam3999> i just can't get any inputs from my leadshine MX3660
[21:26:07] <PetefromTn_> anybody watch the new Hawaii 5-o?
[21:26:18] <adam3999> i ended up shorting a few input pins right to ground directly on the parallel port header on the motherboard, no dice
[21:27:26] <adam3999> the motherboard is also very low wattage, i've got the whole thing running on 12V 4A standby power from a 48V server power supply
[21:27:48] <adam3999> with SSD and fans
[21:27:54] <micges> adam3999: cnc.info.pl
[21:29:18] <micges> Tom_itx: there is problem with geting input from epp port to lcnc
[21:30:13] <micges> I've got this on desk, everything works and etc, just simply inputs are 0 all the time
[21:30:31] <micges> I had*
[21:32:16] <Tom_itx> well i've already got a working D525 but pcw indicated the J1800s were alot better
[21:32:38] <Tom_itx> and i'm up for a new board
[21:33:06] <Tom_itx> but not with a defective parport
[21:33:41] <Topy44> btw, anyone using linuxcnc on a beagleboard or other small embedded system?
[21:33:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=asrock_j1900-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[21:33:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_j1900-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[21:33:52] <Tom_itx> those two i'm looking at
[21:33:53] <Topy44> i have been thinking to switch our system over
[21:34:17] <Tom_itx> just deciding if i need PCI or not
[21:34:25] <Topy44> sorry, beaglebone i mean
[21:34:30] <adam3999> tom: yep, Q1900M is what i have. works great beside this one issue
[21:35:01] <adam3999> large issue, heh...
[21:35:08] <Tom_itx> parport is a big issue for me
[21:37:07] <Tom_itx> adam3999, which board do you have?
[21:37:21] <adam3999> the asrock you posted in the 1st link -- Q1900M
[21:37:36] <micges> Topy44: if you want to use beaglebone then machinekit is your option
[21:37:52] <Topy44> just reading up on machinekit, not entirely sure...what it is :)
[21:38:03] <Tom_itx> iirc it's cheaper than the D525 was at the time
[21:38:33] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't _have_ to use it for lcnc but it would be the purpose for getting it
[21:39:02] <Tom_itx> it has pcie that will fit the newer pcie cards doesn't it?
[21:39:24] <Tom_itx> my D525 has pcie but i don't think i can fit a card to it
[21:40:22] <adam3999> http://www.cnc.info.pl/topics54/linuxcnc-na-j1900b-vt61463.htm
[21:40:32] <adam3999> yeah these folks are discussing the issue on page 5 of the thread
[21:40:49] <adam3999> he's trying to run a linear encoder back to linuxcnc and the inputs on his J1900 motherboard aren't working
[21:41:09] <Tom_itx> straight to the parport?
[21:41:17] <Tom_itx> i'd be using a mesa card on mine
[21:41:30] <adam3999> not clear to me from the conversation
[21:41:35] <Tom_itx> i wonder if that's the difference between working or not
[21:41:46] <Tom_itx> pcw has been testing one i think
[21:42:01] <adam3999> if you're using a mesa to replace the parallel port i would think this is a non-issue
[21:42:16] <Tom_itx> i've got parport mesa cards currently
[21:42:37] <adam3999> i was hoping to avoid that for now since i can get more than adequate rapids with just the integral parallel port and rtlinux pulse generation
[21:42:58] <Tom_itx> the 7I90 seems like a nice board for that so far
[21:43:11] <Tom_itx> cheaper than the previous 7i43 i had
[21:43:19] <Tom_itx> with more io
[21:43:28] <pcw_home> I'll test the EPP on Monday on the J1800, Seems to me it worked but its been a while
[21:43:55] <Tom_itx> i was gonna try that pcie board but i don't think it will fit on my D525
[21:44:31] <pcw_home> not easily
[21:44:31] <micges> adam3999: it seems that's kernel issue, under linuxcnc on debian wheezy they say it works
[21:44:32] <Tom_itx> the card lays over on it's side and there's little room for it
[21:45:02] <adam3999> micgres: interesting, i converted the 2.6 live iso to a USB drive and installed that
[21:45:16] <adam3999> is wheezy newer or older than the 2.6 live disc?
[21:45:34] <adam3999> i never followed debian releases...
[21:46:23] <micges> 2.6 iso is on debian
[21:47:13] <adam3999> right
[21:47:20] <MacGalempsy> Ok. on this plug there is a loop that connected to the board, but nothing on the device. on a 4th axis, would it be good to set up a condition that if the loop is complete that the 4th axis is installed?
[21:47:22] <adam3999> it looks like the 2.6 iso is wheezy
[21:47:50] <Tom_itx> i'm running 2.6 on lucid right now
[21:48:12] <Tom_itx> and yes the iso is wheezy
[21:48:30] <Tom_itx> i plan to move to 2.7 once i get this box back together to test it
[21:49:05] <adam3999> micges is there a specific kernel version known to work?
[21:50:42] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8583/16047553003_60bbcc9405_b.jpg
[21:50:45] <zeeshan> like my setup? :D
[21:51:26] <Tom_itx> you need a couple more cheater blocks under there
[21:51:30] <adam3999> haha
[21:51:33] <adam3999> quality workholding
[21:51:34] <zeeshan> haha
[21:51:51] <zeeshan> the tool doesnt go tangent to the table
[21:51:55] <zeeshan> in horizontal mode :/
[21:51:59] <zeeshan> its like 3" from the table
[21:52:25] <zeeshan> //c1.staticflickr.com/9/8656/16666114501_68f11a6765_b.jpg
[21:52:30] <zeeshan> whoops, http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8656/16666114501_68f11a6765_b.jpg
[21:52:33] <zeeshan> you can see the surface finish there
[21:52:59] <Tom_itx> what are you making?
[21:53:05] <zeeshan> i was machining flats
[21:53:08] <adam3999> looks like you ended up with good surface finish anyway
[21:53:11] <zeeshan> into the ajx end mills
[21:53:15] <Topy44> right, linuxcnc on the beaglebone looks a bit dodgy
[21:53:28] <XXCoder> zeeshan: so the vertical mill works?
[21:54:05] <zeeshan> vertical mill works yea
[21:54:07] <zeeshan> but no drawbar on it
[21:54:09] <Topy44> so other alternative... is there an affordable (or possibly diy?) properly realtime interface card around? something like the mesa but...cheaper?
[21:54:26] <XXCoder> drawbar holds on to chuck?
[21:54:35] <zeeshan> huh
[21:54:45] <XXCoder> not sure what drawbar is honestly
[21:54:56] <zeeshan> XXCoder:
[21:55:05] <adam3999> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/search?q=j1900&childforums=1&start=15
[21:55:06] <zeeshan> you work on manual or cnc machines at work?
[21:55:19] <adam3999> can't find anything negative about the J1900 motherboards except the discussion about USB previously not working (now fixed)
[21:55:32] <adam3999> i wouldn't have bought the damn thing if i knew the inputs were a no go heh...
[21:56:10] <XXCoder> zeeshan: cnc machines
[21:56:11] <Cromaglious_> damn cnc-zone... took a 65 page forum and trimmed it to 20
[21:56:25] <XXCoder> I was interning at convential mills but well internship ended today
[21:56:38] <Cromaglious_> I need page 55
[21:56:40] <zeeshan> XXCoder: http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/22079/20675688_1.jpg?v=8D1AA99CEAD4250
[21:56:41] <XXCoder> I dont work at place I interned at
[21:56:47] <XXCoder> *anymore
[21:56:51] <zeeshan> do you see how tehres pull studs on the tools?
[21:57:02] <XXCoder> oh yeah it grasps em?
[21:57:03] <zeeshan> on cnc machines theres usually a gripper, hydraulic,pneumatic
[21:57:10] <XXCoder> I now recall your cool animation
[21:57:10] <zeeshan> it grips on that thing and pulls around 3000lb
[21:57:22] <zeeshan> the mechanism that does that is called the drawbar
[21:57:30] <zeeshan> in cnc machines its a power drawbar
[21:57:30] <XXCoder> cool thanks
[21:57:39] <zeeshan> in manual machines its a threaded rod
[21:57:42] <zeeshan> that you tighten down
[21:57:51] <XXCoder> i did use mill thats been converted to cnc, it has power drawbar
[21:58:01] <XXCoder> while other one just uses this very long bolt
[22:00:06] <XXCoder> dunno whats its called
[22:00:21] <XXCoder> it screws into chuck and as its tightened it grips whatever tool
[22:00:35] <zeeshan> thats a manual drawbar
[22:00:35] <XXCoder> or hand releasable chuck (chucks all way down?)
[22:00:41] <adam3999> same thing, drawbar that usually pulls up a collet
[22:00:49] <XXCoder> collet oops
[22:00:53] <zeeshan> oh
[22:01:01] <XXCoder> collet vs chucks?
[22:01:01] <roycroft> any spindle with a taper steeper than about that of a morse taper is incapable of supporting the collet
[22:01:02] <zeeshan> yea thats a collet chuck
[22:01:06] <roycroft> or chuck
[22:01:07] <roycroft> or whatever
[22:01:22] <XXCoder> how much wood would chuck chuck?
[22:01:28] <XXCoder> :P sorry bit in silly mood
[22:01:30] <roycroft> a machine with a b&s taper or morse taper doesn't need a drawbar
[22:01:35] <roycroft> but anything steeper does
[22:01:54] <XXCoder> cool. been playing with solvespace
[22:01:56] <XXCoder> its amazing
[22:02:03] <XXCoder> who first bought it up here?
[22:06:37] <XXCoder> if I use show infereing parts, how do I hide it so I can adjust?
[22:11:43] <XXCoder> completed second tutorial
[22:11:45] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[22:20:55] <tjtr33> zeeshan, this uses a pneumatic sleeve to _release_ the balls from the neck groove of the pull stud.
[22:21:00] <tjtr33> theres no drawbar and the release of air clamps back using bellville washer springs to seat the tool. 5000 N force!
[22:21:01] <tjtr33> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI5NFgxNjAw/z/NGsAAOSwq5lTqc55/$_12.JPG
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> got a 3d view?
[22:21:45] <zeeshan> of the internals
[22:21:51] <zeeshan> i cant understand it from that pic
[22:22:17] <tjtr33> haha the mfctr might not like that. i might have photos when i repaired them.
[22:23:23] <zeeshan> :)
[22:24:02] <tjtr33> i'll look, but that was a some years back
[22:24:42] <furrywolf> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/27/rip_leonard_nimoy_he_lived_long_and_prospered/ :(
[22:28:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:28:16] <XXCoder> sad
[22:30:42] <adam3999> bbl
[22:33:13] <Tom_itx> adam3999 keep us informed on your parport findings...
[23:04:27] <bobo_> zeeshan: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNud_ASowSO8TekWuup5PxQ ---check out the hyd.ampilifed type mill vise used on the mill .
[23:28:01] <tjtr33> zeeshan, disassembly of the caxis and the pneumatic clamp http://goo.gl/3U2aD5
[23:29:15] <tjtr33> ..../caxis%26fingers/3R-CAXISpix/tmp/img_0045.jpg or so
[23:30:29] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3dusok157egfwfn/AAC2Xfhli488M__2SZK5X4aSa/3R-CAXISpix/tmp?dl=0#lh:null-img_0058.jpg
[23:30:30] <zeeshan> what is this?
[23:30:38] <zeeshan> bobo_: that is cool
[23:30:50] <zeeshan> that looks like a compact
[23:30:52] <zeeshan> custom ball bearing
[23:30:59] <zeeshan> to support a serious amount of radial load
[23:31:52] <zeeshan> so when that collar compresses
[23:31:58] <zeeshan> the balls release from the gripper
[23:32:01] <zeeshan> i mean pull stud
[23:33:06] <tjtr33> tbat photot is the worm ring and the die set bearing that guides the up/down motion of the cylinder.
[23:33:10] <bobo_> you mean tjtr33 i think ?
[23:33:19] <zeeshan> no bobo
[23:33:21] <zeeshan> i saw the videos
[23:33:35] <bobo_> Oh
[23:35:59] <bobo_> not sure but think it is , lead screw type ? with hyd cyl for last small tighten move
[23:36:23] <bobo_> they are $
[23:37:08] <zeeshan> ||?
[23:44:34] <bobo_> zeeshan : thought you were refering to mill vice in maho movie . I have got it --now . also in maho movie note the remote keyboard
[23:45:22] <zeeshan> i check it in detail in a bit :)
[23:45:30] * zeeshan is programming the toolchanger python code
[23:46:43] <bobo_> arm strong ? powered model i bet
[23:56:53] <Computer_Barf> a "touch off" , thats when you locate the tip of the endmill to where you want your origin to be and zero everything out right?
[23:57:57] <renesis> right, for workspaces
[23:58:12] <renesis> homing is for setting machine space origin
[23:58:31] <renesis> usually you want to home your machine before doing anything else with it at power up
[23:59:27] <XXCoder> http://www.eliomotors.com/can-elio-achieve-6800-msrp/
[23:59:32] <XXCoder> they're making nice progress