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[00:00:04] <renesis> 912 are going to be worth $$$
[00:00:10] <renesis> all the 911 chassis are used up
[00:00:13] <MacGalempsy> we can say all VW and Pcar are descendants of the beetle
[00:00:17] <renesis> so theyre dropping sixes into 912 now
[00:00:25] <renesis> resale going waaaay up
[00:00:36] <renesis> air cooled 911 are just bonkers now
[00:01:06] <renesis> also lots of people say 912 are more fun because they cant bite you in the ass as hard
[00:01:08] <MacGalempsy> yeah. when o-dummy printed 3x the amount of money, prices of awesome cars tripled in price
[00:01:12] <Rab> Thanks, Adolf!
[00:01:20] <Cromaglious> I've had a '68 autostick beetle, '69 beetle, '68 Westie, 69 bus, 70 walk thru, and a '71 westfalia
[00:01:27] <renesis> adolf did good things
[00:01:38] <renesis> well, gave money to people who did good things
[00:01:38] <Cromaglious> Dr P did better!
[00:01:42] <renesis> ya
[00:01:46] <renesis> <3 the dr
[00:01:54] <renesis> but hes the reason the 911 isnt dead
[00:02:01] <Cromaglious> The British saved VW!
[00:02:04] <renesis> and the reason the 914 or the boxter never got the engines they deserved
[00:02:08] <renesis> the 911 was the drs pet
[00:02:18] <roycroft> please keep your hatred of our president and your love of hitler out of this channel
[00:02:32] <Cromaglious> It was the British ocupation force which cranked up the VW line again... so the occupation troops had cars
[00:02:37] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8764344525/
[00:02:38] <renesis> like, 60 years to make a rear engine piece of shit into the most winning car in racing
[00:02:44] <roycroft> that has nothing to do with cnc or machining
[00:02:51] <MacGalempsy> i'll take that anyday of the week
[00:03:07] <renesis> its a frog
[00:03:15] <renesis> IM GONNA JUMP! ANY MONUTE NOW!
[00:03:15] <Cromaglious> I have a billet shifter on my 69 bus
[00:03:18] <renesis> thats the stance of a 911
[00:03:27] <Cromaglious> err had
[00:03:28] <Rab> roycroft, duly noted, mea culpa.
[00:03:38] <MacGalempsy> jump right pass everyone
[00:03:46] <renesis> i dont love hitler
[00:03:56] <renesis> i <3 dr porsche
[00:04:13] <Cromaglious> Mac: ummm NO... In my Corvair I had 911's for the first 1/5 mile everytime
[00:04:43] <Cromaglious> notice it's a fifth... they'd blow by me before the 1/4
[00:04:51] <MacGalempsy> not that 911
[00:04:57] <renesis> sports cars arent about going fast in lines
[00:05:21] <renesis> muscle can go fast or turn
[00:05:25] <renesis> sport can go fast and turn
[00:05:26] <Cromaglious> In my Corvair if I could stay ahead of them into the corners I had them BEAT!
[00:05:27] <MacGalempsy> x50 with GT2 engine upgrade. dont hate
[00:05:57] <Cromaglious> Corvair == low end, 911 == highend
[00:06:06] <renesis> 911 = all ends
[00:06:14] <renesis> theres like 10 versions of the fucking car
[00:06:22] <Cromaglious> I was only good for 113mpg they were good for 150mph
[00:06:28] <Cromaglious> mph
[00:06:37] <MacGalempsy> all I know is I never need to get another Supercar.
[00:06:51] <renesis> the 911 is yours?
[00:06:55] <MacGalempsy> now I focus on buliding my shop
[00:06:55] <Cromaglious> MacGalempsy, DUDE! you are SOOOOOoooo right
[00:07:14] <Cromaglious> I have a deville... that's bad enough
[00:07:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I have had it for about 2 years now
[00:07:32] <Cromaglious> it'll smoke them up to about 20mph
[00:07:37] <MacGalempsy> lol
[00:07:40] <renesis> macgalempsy: cool, no problems?
[00:07:57] <Cromaglious> over 20 it won't break loose
[00:07:58] <MacGalempsy> I've had two problems
[00:08:19] <renesis> that sucks, big deals?
[00:08:19] <Cromaglious> DAMN IT! libfltk_images.a is fsck'n me now
[00:08:36] <MacGalempsy> one is an bank 2 error
[00:08:36] <Cromaglious> Here Robi, bend over!
[00:08:50] <MacGalempsy> only when its cold and I get on it.
[00:09:06] <MacGalempsy> after all that I think if there is a hairline crack in the charcol canister
[00:09:17] <Cromaglious> plug wire or bad lobe on distributor?
[00:09:19] <MacGalempsy> the other part is the rear spoiler.
[00:09:51] <MacGalempsy> the mechanic ripped it all down last year and the last thing he had to check was under the intake manifold...
[00:10:18] <MacGalempsy> that was like 1700 to have that and the rear spoiler hydraulics rebuilt
[00:10:35] <Cromaglious> crank fire is the BEST!
[00:10:42] <MacGalempsy> I like to think i drive so fast the spoiler cant handle all the downforce
[00:10:55] <Cromaglious> I did a buick crank fire mod on my '68 westi
[00:11:28] <renesis> macgalempsy: fucked
[00:11:36] <Cromaglious> hydraulics. not good
[00:11:48] <renesis> i never really liked the variable spoilers
[00:11:51] <Cromaglious> Screw actautor Good
[00:12:06] <renesis> they make sense but they seem so gimicky
[00:12:13] <Cromaglious> Ballscrew conversion there you go! cnc wing on a 911
[00:12:14] <MacGalempsy> I like it better than the gt2 wing
[00:12:23] <renesis> haha, the P1 spoiler is so fast its almost like the car is giving cars behind it the finger
[00:12:37] <renesis> gt2 is fixed whale thing?
[00:12:43] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[00:12:54] <renesis> yeah those are a bit, uh...
[00:12:56] <Cromaglious> That wing is lovely I do admit
[00:13:01] <renesis> flamboyant?
[00:13:17] <Cromaglious> Lovely
[00:13:20] <MacGalempsy> mine is a 996tt with the big turbos and GT2 engine, but has a sunroof, stereo, and AWD
[00:13:28] <renesis> its more like modywork than a wing
[00:13:39] <renesis> tho i guess originally it was to fit the turbo motor
[00:13:50] <MacGalempsy> the PO was an exectutive at Principle financial
[00:13:52] <Cromaglious> yep...
[00:14:09] <renesis> *bodywork
[00:14:11] <MacGalempsy> it was a special offer to people who had bought several pcars over the years
[00:14:35] <MacGalempsy> its going to the shop next week to get a lift back to factory ride height
[00:14:36] <Cromaglious> mac I'm going out side to have a smoke.... So I don't cry
[00:14:48] <renesis> its a dealer thing or factory?
[00:15:00] <Cromaglious> hehe I had to do that on all my buses
[00:15:02] <renesis> kinda of nuts i guess for dealer mod
[00:15:07] <MacGalempsy> which part?
[00:15:25] <MacGalempsy> factory M110
[00:15:40] <MacGalempsy> it even had a fuel cooler! lol
[00:15:43] <renesis> gt2 engine in a daily drivable 911
[00:15:46] <Cromaglious> pulled the spring plate off and index them 1 or 2 teeth lower, so the bus rode higher in the ass end
[00:16:04] <renesis> like, besides the intercooler?
[00:16:21] <MacGalempsy> its all factory
[00:16:22] <Cromaglious> Keep it from vapor locking...
[00:16:32] <MacGalempsy> the msrp was like 196k
[00:16:34] <renesis> cool
[00:16:40] <MacGalempsy> all those options add up
[00:16:49] <MacGalempsy> it was a steal at 46
[00:16:49] <renesis> yeah i bet
[00:16:54] <renesis> 146?
[00:16:57] <MacGalempsy> no 46
[00:16:59] <renesis> you got that shit for 46?
[00:17:03] <Cromaglious> 996 has the really nice looking front I think
[00:17:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah bro!
[00:17:09] <renesis> wow awesome
[00:17:34] <renesis> i like the 993 front end honestly
[00:17:35] <Cromaglious> which wheels? or do I have to back scroll and find the URL
[00:17:45] <renesis> i havent really loved any of the water cooled 911s
[00:17:49] <MacGalempsy> the shop I take it to in OKC is one of 6 factory certified shops and the guy there never saw that one
[00:18:04] <MacGalempsy> renesis: I agree, like a 75 rsr clone is on my list
[00:18:16] <renesis> nice
[00:18:25] <renesis> i like the 70s ones
[00:18:39] <MacGalempsy> white with "Carrera" on the side
[00:18:42] <renesis> they got kind of dumb in the 80s, stupid plastic trim
[00:18:44] <Cromaglious> ok wheels... the '70s BBS look so much better though
[00:18:58] <renesis> macgalempsy: low near the rockers?
[00:19:11] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[00:19:14] <renesis> i think i know exactly the graphic, sexy shit
[00:19:38] <georgenz> Hey guys... am trying to get my machone center going, made good progress so far with servos, tryin to get spondle running now but not having much luck. Have a mesa 5i25 and 7i77 hooked into a hitachi vfd, think i have wired it right, but not 100% I cant get it spinning. The cw/ccw signal is working fine. However analog signal is dead when I try run it. Its connected onto tb5 pwm. Any ideas?
[00:19:41] <MacGalempsy> hard top. no targa crap
[00:20:15] <renesis> targa 911 is ugly
[00:20:16] <MacGalempsy> did you test out the VFD before hooking it up?
[00:20:20] <renesis> i dont like the rear glass
[00:20:24] <georgenz> Nope
[00:20:28] <Cromaglious> waterboxen!!! I remeber a guy who rebuilt his corvair to be water cooled... very nice and 350HP to boot!
[00:20:55] <renesis> yeah but shit probably weights 4500lbs
[00:20:56] <georgenz> But no signal coming frm tb5 seems the issue?
[00:20:57] <Cromaglious> ok --~ smokey time
[00:21:02] <renesis> laters
[00:21:11] <MacGalempsy> laters
[00:21:17] <Cromaglious> nah I like 996 better than 993 front end
[00:21:58] <renesis> 996 is a boxter, boxter is not 914 enough so could be sexier
[00:21:59] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: I was torn, but once you get it, you dont see that part
[00:22:11] <renesis> cayman is clearly a nod to the 550
[00:22:14] * renesis approves
[00:23:43] <zeeshan> georgenz: what vfd?
[00:23:45] <zeeshan> wj200?
[00:24:55] <AndChat|31961> Yeah.. thats it
[00:25:08] <zeeshan> are you sure you have hal setup right?
[00:25:25] <AndChat|31961> Im jst gonna try run an analogue signal into it n see what happens
[00:25:32] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you scared him off! lol
[00:25:38] <zeeshan> =]
[00:27:00] <AndChat|31961> Am not sure... i set it how i thort it should work. Ill be back in a sec, will try run signal in manually
[00:27:02] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: you can do a couple steps
[00:27:12] <zeeshan> to ensure if its your wiring
[00:27:14] <zeeshan> or if its linuxcnc
[00:27:59] <zeeshan> is your e-stop working?
[00:28:51] <MacGalempsy> ohhh good one
[00:30:34] <zeeshan> ?!?!
[00:32:31] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: close linuxcnc, open up a terminal and type:
[00:32:37] <zeeshan> loadrt hostmot2 loadrt hm2_pci loadrt threads addf hm2_5i25.0.read thread1 addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1 addf hm2_5i25.0.pet-watchdog thread1
[00:32:45] <zeeshan> then type show pin
[00:32:51] <zeeshan> to ensure youre communicating with 7i77
[00:33:04] <AndChat|31961> Ok... estop working fine. If i manually feed vfd with 0.5V it runs, direction changes as it should too
[00:33:12] <zeeshan> ok good
[00:33:41] <zeeshan> once youre done that
[00:34:05] <MacGalempsy> AndChat|31961: it sounds like you are at the most exciting time of getting the machine done
[00:34:09] <zeeshan> type: setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[00:34:17] <zeeshan> this should make your motor spin clockwise
[00:34:24] <AndChat|31961> All servo drives are operating and homing correctly
[00:34:24] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[00:34:26] <zeeshan> to make it stop.
[00:34:38] <AndChat|31961> So i assume 7i77 is communicating?
[00:34:38] <zeeshan> this is the best way to test if you have a linuxcnc configuration issue
[00:34:41] <zeeshan> or some issue with 7i77.
[00:34:55] <zeeshan> i know your 7i77 is working, im saying to check 7i77 is working after you type those commands
[00:35:15] <AndChat|31961> Ok... hold on
[00:35:25] <zeeshan> shit iforgot 2 lines
[00:35:40] <zeeshan> after the line addf hm2_5i25.0.pet-watchdog thread1
[00:35:44] <zeeshan> type "start"
[00:35:46] <zeeshan> loadrt pid
[00:36:04] <zeeshan> ill post the commands on pastebin so its easier to see
[00:37:32] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/uUJNuJLe
[00:38:29] <zeeshan> ignore that one.
[00:38:45] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/RJ3qXGrU
[00:38:48] <zeeshan> im tired :-)
[00:38:53] <AndChat|31961> First line... bash: loadrt: command not found
[00:39:06] <zeeshan> you have to load the program
[00:39:09] <zeeshan> halrun first
[00:41:17] <AndChat|31961> Error: function hm5125.0.read not found
[00:41:34] <AndChat|31961> My bad
[00:41:36] <zeeshan> _
[00:41:39] <AndChat|31961> Hold on
[00:44:54] <AndChat|31961> The pet-watchdog command is failing..
[00:46:07] <AndChat|31961> Ok... underscore instead of hypen
[00:46:38] <zeeshan> my bad
[00:46:38] <zeeshan> :)
[00:46:54] <AndChat|31961> Ok... typed that all in
[00:47:01] <zeeshan> if you do show pin
[00:47:03] <zeeshan> you see stuff?
[00:47:09] <AndChat|31961> Nope
[00:47:27] <zeeshan> youre typing "show pin" ?
[00:47:39] <AndChat|31961> Hold on
[00:47:50] <AndChat|31961> Oh... yup
[00:47:55] <zeeshan> ok good
[00:48:02] <AndChat|31961> Lots of stuff
[00:48:04] <zeeshan> tb5
[00:48:08] <zeeshan> is your analog out ?
[00:48:14] <zeeshan> for spindle?
[00:48:32] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[00:48:36] <zeeshan> to make spindle spin
[00:48:39] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[00:48:41] <zeeshan> to make spindle stop
[00:50:20] <AndChat|31961> Hold on... im looking through hundreds of lines to try find it
[00:53:41] <AndChat|31961> Ok... what i see is: 5 float IN 0 hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[00:54:02] <zeeshan> yea
[00:54:03] <zeeshan> just do
[00:54:05] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 0
[00:54:07] <zeeshan> i mean
[00:54:10] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 2
[00:54:12] <zeeshan> to make it spin
[00:55:59] <AndChat|31961> Ok... will need to set cw or ccw too
[00:56:12] <zeeshan> no
[00:56:23] <AndChat|31961> They r on output 1 and 2
[00:56:30] <zeeshan> oh
[00:56:40] <zeeshan> i see what you mean
[00:56:41] <zeeshan> :P
[00:57:13] <AndChat|31961> Output 1 and 2 on tb8
[00:57:14] <zeeshan> did you have to energize output 1 or two
[00:57:19] <zeeshan> when you fed it voltage
[00:57:19] <zeeshan> directly
[00:57:21] <AndChat|31961> Ya
[00:57:23] <zeeshan> to make it spin
[00:57:24] <zeeshan> okay
[01:01:54] <AndChat|31961> How do i enable the tb8 output 1
[01:03:09] <zeeshan> set hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 1
[01:03:14] <zeeshan> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 1
[01:03:18] <zeeshan> i think
[01:03:20] <zeeshan> check your pin list
[01:03:24] <zeeshan> it should be similar to that
[01:05:10] <AndChat|31961> How do u copy and paste in the terminal?
[01:05:26] <zeeshan> highlight the text
[01:05:39] <renesis> heh, depends on terminal
[01:05:39] <zeeshan> and i think right click
[01:05:58] <renesis> normally, linux, highlight is copy and paste is middle click
[01:06:20] <renesis> but theres a lot that just use right click, or windows or hybrid models
[01:06:35] <AndChat|31961> Ok... i clicked ctrl c n it booted me out... have to start again
[01:06:40] <zeeshan> haha
[01:06:42] <renesis> haha
[01:06:43] <zeeshan> thats a good way to exit :)
[01:06:58] <renesis> yeah ^c in linux is kill running terminal process
[01:09:11] <renesis> andchat|31961: try highlight, and then paste into url box or something with right click
[01:09:40] <renesis> if that doesnt work, highlight then use edit menu or right click where you highlighted
[01:09:59] <renesis> if you have fancy terminal with tabs and menus, its usually that
[01:11:25] <AndChat|31961> Ok
[01:11:35] <AndChat|31961> Have typed all that and nothin
[01:11:44] <AndChat|31961> Will jst check pin output
[01:12:06] <zeeshan> before you do that
[01:12:11] <zeeshan> try disabling output 0
[01:12:12] <zeeshan> try disabling output 1
[01:12:13] <zeeshan> i mean
[01:12:19] <zeeshan> and enable the other direction output
[01:12:31] <zeeshan> and set analogout5 = 2
[01:12:39] <zeeshan> maybe the direction does not correspond
[01:12:41] <zeeshan> so it doesnt want to spin
[01:13:07] <AndChat|31961> The output is functioning correctly but nothing on analog
[01:13:34] <zeeshan> can you hook up a multimeter to it
[01:13:40] <zeeshan> and see if youre measuring 2 volts
[01:13:41] <AndChat|31961> U need the = sign?
[01:13:45] <zeeshan> no
[01:13:54] <zeeshan> if you have analogout5 set to 2
[01:13:58] <zeeshan> you should be outputting 2v
[01:14:00] <AndChat|31961> There is 0 volts on it
[01:14:43] <AndChat|31961> Zip nada ziltch zero
[01:14:44] <zeeshan> the mesa7i77 card
[01:14:44] <zeeshan> has
[01:14:47] <zeeshan> green light ojn?
[01:14:58] <zeeshan> on
[01:15:09] <AndChat|31961> Yup.. the 7i77 is working perfectly apart frm that
[01:15:27] <zeeshan> do you have anything hooked up
[01:15:42] <zeeshan> to analogout 4?
[01:15:57] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... ill try it
[01:16:01] <zeeshan> yea worth a shot
[01:16:43] <zeeshan> silly q, but are you probing bnetween analogout and ground right?
[01:17:48] <AndChat|31961> Probing between aout and the gnd pin nxt to it
[01:18:02] <zeeshan> ok
[01:20:26] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... tried probing 3 and nothing there either
[01:20:35] <zeeshan> okay wtf.
[01:20:35] <zeeshan> lol
[01:20:43] <zeeshan> you have a servo hooked up to analogout3?
[01:20:50] <AndChat|31961> Yet 0,1 and 2 seem to drive servos so must work
[01:21:17] <zeeshan> do your servos need to be enabled
[01:21:25] <zeeshan> to work
[01:21:29] <zeeshan> servo drives that is
[01:21:32] <AndChat|31961> Nothin... tried setting 3 and probing it tho
[01:21:43] <zeeshan> the only thing i can think of is..
[01:22:29] <zeeshan> maybe you want to enable
[01:22:42] <zeeshan> im trying to remember
[01:22:49] <zeeshan> i recall that mine just showed the voltage
[01:23:23] <zeeshan> you dont have any voltage set
[01:23:30] <zeeshan> for analogout0, 1,2 right
[01:23:38] <AndChat|31961> Enable what exactly
[01:23:48] <zeeshan> hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[01:23:53] <zeeshan> be careful!
[01:24:05] <zeeshan> if you dont have the servos tuned
[01:24:18] <zeeshan> or have voltage set on the analgout 0 1 2
[01:24:26] <zeeshan> where your servos are connected, you will have axis movement!
[01:25:50] <AndChat|31961> If u r sayin servos 0 1 and 2, if enabled they will move
[01:26:28] <zeeshan> im saying if you have hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout0 , hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout1 or hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout2
[01:26:34] <zeeshan> set to a value other than 0 they will move
[01:26:50] <zeeshan> since you already had the jogging working in linuxcnc,
[01:27:01] <zeeshan> your drives must be tuned so i dont think you will get much dirft
[01:27:02] <AndChat|31961> If that is set, and the enable is set they will move
[01:27:03] <zeeshan> *drift
[01:27:12] <zeeshan> AndChat|31961: exactly
[01:27:20] <zeeshan> if theyre set to 10
[01:27:27] <zeeshan> they'll move at full speed
[01:27:30] <zeeshan> or -10
[01:28:22] <AndChat|31961> They r not tuned yet, but they rnt doin anything nasty
[01:28:32] <zeeshan> you should be fine
[01:28:53] <zeeshan> when i was first testing my stuff out
[01:28:59] <zeeshan> i had my hand near the e-stop :)
[01:31:15] <AndChat|31961> Ok... so. We (I) am doing something wrong
[01:31:39] <AndChat|31961> When i analog2 same... 0 volts
[01:31:51] <zeeshan> okay
[01:31:53] <zeeshan> that must mean
[01:32:00] <zeeshan> analogena must be 1
[01:32:16] <zeeshan> sorry , its been a little while since ive tested like this :)
[01:32:25] <AndChat|31961> Im jst tryin to start linuxcnc again
[01:32:33] <AndChat|31961> It errored me so reboot
[01:33:35] <AndChat|31961> Ok... so servos r all still workin
[01:33:36] <AndChat|31961> Phew
[01:34:12] <zeeshan> i guess you just need to set hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena 1
[01:34:17] <AndChat|31961> Im gonna have to quit for the nite and pick up again moro
[01:35:27] <Cromaglious> argh... solvespace want libfltk_gl.a and I don't have it
[01:36:38] <AndChat|31961> Thx for yr help so far
[01:36:45] <zeeshan> np
[01:37:15] <AndChat|31961> Im in pncconfig jst checkin i havent set up anythin wrong
[01:37:26] <AndChat|31961> There is no encoder on spindle yet
[01:38:55] <AndChat|31961> Not many options in there for me to stuff up tho
[01:39:49] <bobo_> what brand of mill ? are you working on
[01:40:39] <AndChat|31961> Cincinnati arrrow 500
[01:40:39] <zeeshan> bobo send me some tg100 collets
[01:41:32] <bobo_> PetefromTn has similar . i think
[01:43:51] <bobo_> tg 100 arn't those for very small dia. .... working on watches now?
[01:43:59] <zeeshan> no
[01:44:01] <zeeshan> :P
[01:44:02] <zeeshan> theyre big
[01:45:28] <zeeshan> gnite! :P
[01:46:16] <bobo_> oh i remember ,your almost free tool holder deal
[01:46:39] <bobo_> nite
[02:06:09] <Cromaglious> wooo any ER11's even ER16 you wanna get rid of ;)
[02:06:33] <Cromaglious> nitey nites
[02:07:33] <Cromaglious> I can't find a source for those er11's or er16s collet chucks the chinese put on all there spindles
[02:07:55] <archivist> you are not trying hard :)
[02:08:01] <archivist> fleabay
[02:08:43] <Cromaglious> found them... wasn't using the magic word chuck
[02:10:42] <Cromaglious> ER11 16mm shank, 6mm thru hole
[02:11:37] <archivist> some thing like I used
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_10_20_Tool_grinder/IMG_1382.JPG
[02:12:54] <archivist> the run out on the cheap ER stuff is not that good though
[02:13:56] <Cromaglious> I'm not doing your stuff... most of my stuff 0.001 TIR is good enough
[02:16:14] <Cromaglious> so you get any closer to figuring out the root width?
[02:16:40] <archivist> not bothering at the moment, I need to feed
[02:16:57] <Cromaglious> I finally got to bed about 5:20am here it's 23:55 now
[02:17:08] <Cromaglious> got up at 0950
[02:17:29] <georgenz> Zeeshan... r u still here?
[02:17:46] <archivist> I am thinking the machine needs a 6th axis to make bevel work easier
[02:18:04] <Cromaglious> not sure zee may have gone to bed
[02:18:34] <georgenz> Yup... im abt there too. Been workin on my machine all day. Close but no cigar
[02:19:07] <archivist> you can see the rotation of the smaller rotary
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_11_bevel/IMG_1632.JPG a pain to set up
[02:19:22] <Cromaglious> been trying all day to get solvespace compiled... hangup now is libfltk_gl.a
[02:19:40] <archivist> are you putting it on linux?
[02:21:08] <Cromaglious> trying
[02:21:34] <Cromaglious> ahh spin the blue
[02:22:16] <Cromaglious> quite the 5 axis you have going there, and yes the 6th would really help
[02:22:20] <Deejay> moin
[02:22:39] <Cromaglious> top of the morn to you Deejay
[02:23:00] <Cromaglious> how big is the blue rotary?
[02:23:04] <archivist> so the right rotary has the root taper angle, was too lazy to do the maths to leave at 90 degrees
[02:24:19] <archivist> I do try to reduce the maths I need to think about
[02:24:37] <Cromaglious> that a 6" rotary table?
[02:24:57] <Cromaglious> or 150mm
[02:27:14] <archivist> right is a 4 " vertex the left is a 6" copy
[02:28:26] <archivist> the lack of right hand support is a real problem needs a block and bearing
[02:29:02] <Cromaglious> there I go, 150mm x 16mm shaft with a ER16. make a bearing block and put a pully on top the drive it with a treadmill motor for a spindle
[02:29:58] <renesis> archivist: haha wtf
[02:30:01] <renesis> awesome
[02:30:18] <archivist> whenever using ER colletts make sure your blank reaches full depth of the collett
[02:30:42] <renesis> to keep from grooving the ID?
[02:30:53] <Cromaglious> http://www.ebay.com/itm/C16-ER16A-200L-Straight-shank-Collet-Chuck-Holder-toolholder-CNC-Lathe-MILLING-/161303499118
[02:30:57] <renesis> or warping the fingers, or what
[02:30:59] <Cromaglious> 200mm long even better
[02:31:20] <archivist> nah, very springy and run out of truth is item is short
[02:31:25] <renesis> i have ER16 and i always push tools past the ends but honestly i dont know exactly why it just seems like a good idea
[02:31:27] <archivist> is/if
[02:31:52] <renesis> oh like they can get pushed into a weird angle?
[02:31:53] <Cromaglious> always do here... easy to get longer tools
[02:32:00] <Cromaglious> yep
[02:32:15] <archivist> if the taper is not in contact all the way very inaccurate
[02:32:27] <Cromaglious> just barely past is good enough
[02:32:29] <renesis> my smaller collets dont have full length ID, makes 1/8" shank stuff easy to deal with
[02:33:23] <renesis> doesnt seem to be a problem with larger stuff, usually try and stick them in almost to the flutes if i can get away with it for a part
[02:34:05] <Cromaglious> renesis that URL I posted is a ER16 collet chuck with a 16mm shaft long enough to be a spindle shaft.
[02:34:20] <Cromaglious> almost 8"
[02:34:26] <renesis> oh wtf
[02:34:41] <renesis> pretty hardcore, yo
[02:34:46] <archivist> I put a holder in the lathe put in a collett and a bit of bar then another er holder on that the run out was....terrible
[02:35:43] <renesis> yeah mine just has ER16 mounted to a shaft thats pressed into a pair of bearings like 4" apart
[02:36:05] <Cromaglious> hmm ER11 with a 8mm 150mm long shaft...
[02:36:16] <Cromaglious> fun part is now finding the bearings
[02:36:44] <renesis> are those open shafts or solid?
[02:36:45] <Cromaglious> time to get a QCTP and some nicer boring bars
[02:37:26] <Cromaglious> I think the longer ones are solid... they don't show an end though
[02:38:40] <renesis> just says straight shank so thats what id assume
[02:38:52] <georgenz> Anyone got ideas for what to try. Im tryin to setup my spindle on 7i77. Servos all working well. But i cnt get the analog out workin on the spindle. Im using tb5 for it, been trying all day with no luck. Im not at workshop now, jst wanting ideas to try in the morning
[02:39:08] <renesis> i dont remember why having the open shaft was useful, but i def remember knocking something out with the long hex key couple times
[02:39:43] <renesis> georgenz: do you have a scope?
[02:40:35] <renesis> dmm is prob enough but you wont be able to see any noise or junk if its there
[02:41:13] <georgenz> Yup.
[02:41:21] <georgenz> Have been using dmm
[02:41:34] <renesis> i think you mentioned the spindle working when fed voltage directly, so i would start troubleshooting connections and configs
[02:41:51] <renesis> is the pin dead with a DMM?
[02:42:23] <georgenz> If i put a 1.5v battery on wires to vfd, it runs
[02:42:37] <Cromaglious> I just ordered 2 new "mach3 interface board"s lpt breakouts.. I think I killed mine
[02:42:47] <georgenz> With dmm tb5 reads 0 between analogout and gnd
[02:43:23] <georgenz> I think its a config issue
[02:43:40] <renesis> are the servo drives using analog out?
[02:45:30] <georgenz> Yup
[02:45:54] <georgenz> They r running -10 - +10V
[02:46:12] <georgenz> Spindle running 0 to +10V
[02:46:15] <renesis> yeah i would try and get some help tomorrow going through the configs
[02:47:10] <renesis> would be super unlucky to just have that one pin fuck up
[02:47:17] <renesis> everything else working
[02:47:36] <georgenz> Esp since i tried analog 4 and 3 also
[02:48:18] <renesis> well, you could try swapping servos onto the outputs that arent working
[02:48:33] <renesis> and moving config over, and you could confirm as a config issues
[02:48:42] <renesis> but that kind of sounds like making a mess
[02:49:01] <georgenz> Does since they r working perfect right now
[02:49:10] <renesis> ya
[02:49:14] <georgenz> Dont wanna play too much!
[02:49:16] <renesis> if not broke...
[02:49:35] <renesis> yeah sounds like everything else working
[02:50:17] <georgenz> Its gonna b somethin stupid knowing me
[02:50:27] <renesis> dude it always is
[02:50:40] <renesis> fuckin semicolon or decimal place or something
[02:51:08] <renesis> big problems are usually pretty easy to see, haha
[02:51:25] <georgenz> U mean because of the smoke??
[02:51:51] <renesis> i do electronics stuff, so ya
[02:52:06] <renesis> tho mostly you hear the problems before you see them
[02:52:19] <renesis> if thats not the case, youre probably blind in a spot
[02:52:56] <georgenz> Took me an embarrassingly long time to get vfd setup tho. Its not finished, but running
[02:53:29] <georgenz> Like a 100 page quickstart guide in tiny txt
[02:53:48] <renesis> heheh
[02:54:36] <georgenz> They r all like that tho... i setup a bonfig drive a while back and the option that stopped it working was option number 432
[02:55:16] <georgenz> Why the hell does any motor drive have 500 options and doesnt just work when u get it is beyond me
[02:56:12] <renesis> because its not integrated, up to the end user to figure it out so more options is more likely to work in more situations
[02:56:50] <renesis> if everyone had an iCNC running iOS, im sure drivers would be click, working
[02:57:12] <archivist> never
[02:57:26] <renesis> thats where 3d printing is headed
[02:57:38] <archivist> that would be iFuchdUp
[02:57:52] <renesis> i dont think metal removal will ever become widespread in home settings
[02:57:54] <archivist> there is no universal answer
[02:58:55] <renesis> if there was machinists would wake up the next day and make something else, anyway
[02:59:03] <renesis> just because
[02:59:35] <bobo_> georgenz any thing in here that might help ?
http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/
[02:59:38] <archivist> I think that holy grail of an easy setup to suit all is a complete mistake
[03:00:07] <renesis> well, itd be a compromised system
[03:00:20] <renesis> so kind of by definition, not that awesome
[03:00:49] <renesis> i think wood shops could aproach that kind of solution
[03:01:11] <renesis> machines in that world do things way more consistently
[03:01:48] <renesis> smaller range of envelopes too
[03:02:43] <renesis> for metal work, youre pretty much working from watch internals to building size grinders
[03:03:12] <renesis> its like how you cant make an apple pc just using apple pcs
[03:03:32] <archivist> 3d printers vary from concrete house making to home toys
[03:03:46] <renesis> right but its a lot less messy
[03:03:59] <renesis> and a lot less dangerous
[03:04:17] <renesis> like, i feel qualified to work on a lathe because im scared shitless of lathes
[03:04:22] <archivist> nah there are 5axis metal spray machines too
[03:04:30] <renesis> walk up to a mill, no issues way confident, mill is fren
[03:04:46] <renesis> lathe is like, hey watch out i might eat you because yeah, im a lathe
[03:05:05] <renesis> archivist: i just mean DFM
[03:05:07] <archivist> both are as dangerous
[03:05:18] <renesis> which im not a fan of for fast prototyping
[03:05:41] <renesis> right but theres something about rotating the work versus rotating the tool
[03:06:03] <archivist> I use both lathes an mills, my horizontal mill spat out 40lbs of metal one day
[03:06:19] <renesis> also tools near chucks just strikes me as crazier than cutters near tables and fixtures
[03:06:24] <archivist> bolt it down tight!
[03:06:29] <renesis> yeah totally
[03:06:39] <renesis> and mill is not a toy, no shop machines are
[03:06:45] <renesis> simplest ones can be the scariest
[03:07:02] <renesis> but like, im okay with a mill
[03:08:10] <archivist> I stopped a lathe rather quick one day, the chuck unscrewed
[03:08:11] <renesis> but yeah, i would worry about a 80 lb teenage girl working a full size engine lathe
[03:08:33] <renesis> i wouldnt worry about an 80 lb girl working a 3d printer
[03:08:44] <renesis> you can have a 3d printer in a living room
[03:09:06] <renesis> i had a micro mill in a room with carpet for awhile, it sucked
[03:10:07] <renesis> so yeah, i think 3d printing will end up like easy bake ovens
[03:10:45] <renesis> when they start doing food with them if people dont buy them restaurants will
[03:10:47] <archivist> a certain part of that market sure but I would never generalise
[03:11:08] <renesis> yeah i dont think itll happen in industry
[03:11:32] <renesis> not like accountants and product designers will all die off
[03:11:47] <archivist> they should
[03:11:49] <georgenz> There is a lot of good stuff in that link thx
[03:12:11] <archivist> bad accountants are bad
[03:12:27] <renesis> well, wait until they tell their bosses china doesnt work anymore
[03:12:28] <archivist> easily kill good companies
[03:12:35] <renesis> then they can die
[03:12:43] <renesis> so 2-5 years in a lot of cases
[03:13:25] <archivist> china is cheaper, kill the workers, oops transport is expensive, restart local production
[03:13:44] <renesis> basically
[03:14:18] <renesis> were building engineering departments over there and filling them with chinese engineers
[03:14:32] <renesis> its not like that shit or those people will dissolve when we leave
[03:14:58] <archivist> they also reduce ranges to just the popular in shops distribution companies thus killing the user base, they dont have the item user wants
[03:15:03] <renesis> like, by the time we get manufacturing back, well suck at engineering
[03:15:18] <renesis> but thatll work out because well be india and chinas working class
[03:15:24] <renesis> no more complaining about no jobs
[03:16:57] <archivist> I am complaining about no work!
[03:17:08] <renesis> no things arent bad yet!
[03:17:16] <renesis> there will be work when things are bad!
[03:17:20] <archivist> they are for me
[03:17:31] <renesis> they can get worse
[03:17:40] <archivist> £4 earned so far this week
[03:18:04] <gonzo__> have noticed that our company are bringing production slowly back home. As we ended up with just as many people who were originally employed to build kit, being requied to fix the poor quality, or wrongly speced stuff that was built in china etc
[03:18:18] <bobo_> georgenz: the link...probely only goog for some compare and contras , PetefromTn has Arrow 500 ....PCW is the person to ask about the boards
[03:18:33] <renesis> gonzo__: right it makes sense on paper, the 'plan'
[03:18:52] <renesis> but shit never goes right, eventually youre just stuck there because thats where supply chain is
[03:19:06] <renesis> but accountants are figuring out its not making money anymore
[03:19:26] <georgenz> Thx bobo
[03:19:41] <georgenz> Cant wait for the morning to hit it again
[03:20:11] <gonzo__> in reality, half the issues were bugs in our designs. But building them extrernally, you don't see it till it's done. Locally, the designers catch these things quicker, and can verbally fix it inmmediatlty
[03:20:46] <renesis> thats built in to process places i work for
[03:21:00] <renesis> minimum you expect like two rounds of fuckups before you build something you can sell
[03:21:33] <renesis> but yeah, between shipping delays, manufacturer fuckups, blatant dishonesty and shady paperwork
[03:21:51] <renesis> shipping your engineers 5000 miles away 10 times a year
[03:22:15] <renesis> bet its killed more companies than its made money
[03:22:24] <renesis> meanwhile, china is getting good at making stuff
[03:22:35] <gonzo__> our stuff is small qty, so there is no real trial batches. So lots of fettling on the way. Can't do that if it;s not under your nose
[03:22:38] <renesis> if you pay them and babysit they do a great job
[03:22:52] <renesis> yeah thats tough
[03:23:10] <renesis> you dont have lots of swing in the factory or with the supply chain there
[03:23:57] <gonzo__> yep, we've been hit by grey market comonente as well. When you are nolonger in control of your parts purchasing
[03:23:59] <renesis> the other end of the spectrum is when you ship half a million units a year, and its all coming out of one factory
[03:24:31] <renesis> one fire, one pissed of manager, who knows, your whole business trashed
[03:24:49] <renesis> but kickbacks, so fuckit right
[03:24:56] <renesis> baby gotta go to college
[03:26:03] <renesis> ha, its sucks because i see MADE IN THE USA and my first thought is, wow what corners did they have to cut to compete
[03:30:15] <Cromaglious> vinland engineering in florida will engineer it here, have the mechanicals made in asia, bring it back here, install the firmware, then deliver. They never let the firmware get to asia
[03:31:35] <renesis> thats smart
[03:31:54] <renesis> companies i work for usually direct ship
[03:32:09] <Cromaglious> they control about 60% of the vending machine engineering here in the US
[03:32:18] <renesis> so like, other than samples of first run, goes straight from factory to distributor
[03:33:00] <renesis> you basically need to ship the firmware there because the product needs to go through full testing
[03:33:12] <Cromaglious> if there is firmware... it goes out the door to a competing company and before you know it, your under bid and lose all the business
[03:33:27] <renesis> and yeah i guess company i work for now does a lot of local manufacturing
[03:33:43] <renesis> but its their low run high cost products
[03:34:22] <archivist> I had some protection in my firmware :) two people asked me why the firmware did not work in standard hardware :)
[03:35:03] <Cromaglious> I'm gonna be saving my money fr the next couple of month, then get a quick change tool post for my lathe. A chinese 250-100 qctp
[03:35:16] <archivist> the printer would throw the head to fast across the carriage
[03:36:12] <Cromaglious> hehe certain resistors had to be certain values? if the firmware didn't read a certain value range, off to the races?
[03:36:31] <archivist> hard to reverse engineer because I used the text in the name printing as a constant in the servo loop
[03:37:00] <archivist> and a solder short on the pcb
[03:37:11] <Cromaglious> hehe couldn't change the name
[03:37:34] <archivist> and read the data indirectly
[03:37:45] <Cromaglious> we wrote our code for the super nintendo to reconize developement systems and refuse to run...
[03:38:08] <Cromaglious> 90% of the code was compressed and encrypted
[03:38:11] <renesis> haha thats so mean!
[03:38:25] <renesis> dev units are bonus pay for techs
[03:39:28] <Cromaglious> the copy protection nintendo used for carts was basiccally a capacitence /resister network...
[03:40:06] <Cromaglious> sheesh that was 22 years ago..
[03:40:09] <renesis> so you had to copy hardware too?
[03:41:09] <Cromaglious> had to hack a cart to get developement version to run from socketed eproms
[03:41:54] <Cromaglious> so we could drop off an eval copy to the publisher as required without packing along the snasm system (dev box)
[03:41:57] <renesis> and hacking a cart literally meant tweaking RC values??
[03:42:05] <Cromaglious> yep
[03:42:33] <renesis> heh, vintage h4x
[03:42:46] <Cromaglious> we'd burn games onto our cart and play them to get ideas
[03:42:47] <renesis> did they at least use good caps?
[03:43:05] <renesis> seems like carts would eventually stop working
[03:43:12] <moorbo> was anything good in the 80s and 90s?
[03:43:13] <renesis> like, 10-20 years
[03:43:14] <Swapper> hi all
[03:43:15] <Cromaglious> decent caps.. non electrolidic
[03:43:34] <moorbo> renesis: you'd think..but they keep going
[03:43:36] <renesis> right bit overkill for timing constants
[03:43:42] <Cromaglious> renesis, that was the tinning on the edge connector...
[03:44:04] <renesis> i know ive fixed a few
[03:44:11] <renesis> pretty awesome to not have to do the wiggle
[03:44:41] <renesis> and that started happening waaaaaay before the caps would have drifted that far
[03:44:49] <archivist> never use electrolytic for timing
[03:44:57] <Swapper> made some finds today on the scrapyard, two reversingheads (i think), incerts, reamers , chuck 26kg of stuff for about 15$
[03:45:14] <archivist> others dont drift substantially
[03:45:23] <Cromaglious> I think we found some gold plated card edge at the right pitch and soldered those onto our dev cards
[03:45:36] <archivist> scrap yards can be very useful
[03:45:44] <renesis> this is nes or snes?
[03:45:48] <Swapper> yea fore shure
[03:46:07] <Cromaglious> snes 65816 chip wonderful chip BTW
[03:46:39] <archivist> 6502 the original RISC
[03:46:40] <Swapper> i whent there to find some cable to connect a Kollmorgen Comcoder servo motor
[03:46:48] <Cromaglious> and the Sony sound module, got some code written that would take midi files and play them
[03:46:52] <Swapper> found a 18 wire cable atleast
[03:47:30] <archivist> I would want separate power lines to encoder
[03:47:38] <Cromaglious> 65816 boots up as a 6502
[03:47:52] <Swapper> archivist: what do you mean ?
[03:48:04] <Swapper> archivist: the power to the servo is its own cable
[03:48:20] <archivist> servo noise coupling to data
[03:48:21] <Cromaglious> so inductance doesn't put noise into our data lines and give false readings
[03:48:33] <Cromaglious> s/our/your/
[03:48:57] <Swapper> its ac servo so its two cables to the servo
[03:49:28] <Swapper> but i have to make a new connector housing since i cant find the darn connectors
[03:49:45] <renesis> connectors are stupid
[03:49:56] <renesis> solder all the things, cover in hot glue
[03:50:04] <Swapper> yea the ones on the Kollmorgen stuff is some not used so often brand
[03:50:21] <renesis> you need like 5mm of hotglue for every 1000V
[03:51:10] <Swapper> yea i will make a permanet connection to the motor and then make the plugs in my controll cabinet
[03:51:27] <Swapper> its Dsub 15 for the encoder at that side
[03:51:30] <Swapper> so thats great
[03:51:32] <Swapper> cheap
[03:51:46] <Swapper> only need to find a 400vac rated 3phase connector
[03:51:55] <Swapper> to put in the chassies
[03:53:56] <Cromaglious> 65816 could address 16MB of Ram in 64K chunks, ok you could play bank switching a bit... swap 32K in and out as required. on the SNES 0-32K was hardware, 32k-64K was ram, you had 128K of ram just below 8MB, ROM was all over the place and you had some 'fast' ram at over 0x80000, then ROM and you had to work with nintendo to see if they would give you fast ROM's
[03:56:04] <Cromaglious> you could have a 32KB game, 64KB, 128K, or 256KB really hard to get them to spring for anything over 128KB
[03:56:23] <Cromaglious> hmm I got something wrong..
[03:56:25] <renesis> cromaglious: you ever seen any of kevtris's stuff?
[03:56:32] <Cromaglious> nope
[03:57:23] <Cromaglious> kewl Friday I get to play on the 3040 again and this time I have a 1/4" corncob (1/4 roughing end mill)
[03:57:38] <renesis> http://blog.kevtris.org/
[03:57:50] <renesis> does a lot of emulation hardware stuff
[03:58:31] <renesis> i guess latest thing is an HDMI output modules for NES that has bunch of sound chips emulated
[04:00:05] <renesis> you have 1/4" roughing endmills?
[04:00:48] <renesis> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/53278-hertel-rougher-finisher-regular-length-hss-3-flute-roughing-end-mills.html
[04:00:51] <renesis> cool
[04:01:30] <Cromaglious> 4 flute
[04:03:15] <renesis> yeah i never really thought to look for little ones
[04:13:23] <Cromaglious> I had to buy a 1/4 er11 collet and now I have a 1/4" end mill to go in ti
[04:13:31] <Cromaglious> s/ti/it
[04:17:14] <Cromaglious> wow this is whack...
http://thefreethoughtproject.com
[05:57:53] <MacGalempsy> morning again
[05:58:06] <MacGalempsy> just about done with work for the night! woohoo!
[05:58:48] <Deejay> morning MacGalempsy
[05:59:13] * Deejay already had lunch
[05:59:14] <MacGalempsy> Hi Deejay. It is indeed morning here, but it is the end of my day! lol
[05:59:27] <MacGalempsy> << works graveyard shift
[06:00:26] <Deejay> uuh
[06:01:08] <SpeedEvil> http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/12/105/20141326 composites are awesome.
[06:01:20] <SpeedEvil> (limpet teeth as strong as carbon fibre)
[06:01:40] <MacGalempsy> Deejay: its not so bad. get to meet a lot of cool people from around the world while working nights
[06:02:16] <MacGalempsy> SpeedEvil: I guess they would have to be strong to grip onto rocks
[06:03:38] <SpeedEvil> The sucker grips rocks
[06:03:52] <SpeedEvil> the teeth are used to rasp algae and lichen off the rock
[06:04:48] <MacGalempsy> I got a shell from a tide pool near santa cruz when I was a kid. still have it. they are cool
[06:05:51] <MacGalempsy> I'll have to get out my scanning electron microscope to look at the teeth
[06:07:20] * SpeedEvil needs a SEM.
[06:07:23] <SpeedEvil> Also a GC/MS.
[06:07:28] <SpeedEvil> And minions.
[06:08:37] <Deejay> :D
[06:09:59] <MacGalempsy> notice none of the authors had 3letter iniitials after their names?
[06:10:06] <MacGalempsy> Minions!
[06:10:49] <__rob> Hello
[06:10:53] <__rob> about to upgrade my couplers
[06:11:03] <__rob> just wanted to check here first if its better to get Spider or Oldham style
[06:11:22] <__rob> seems the Oldham ones are nicer for parallel axial mialignment
[06:11:31] <__rob> not sure if the spider ones cater for that
[06:13:14] <jthornton> my guess not knowing where your going to use the couplers is you need zero backlash couplers
[06:14:28] <archivist_herron> I happen to use oldham style as the plastic is a tight ish fit
[06:14:43] <archivist_herron> if made properly
[06:14:51] <__rob> yea, I want zero backlash
[06:14:56] <__rob> I have helical ones at the moment
[06:15:00] <__rob> and i can see them wind up and down
[06:15:15] <__rob> so i want rid of that
[06:15:51] <__rob> so from what i have read, spider and oldham style are both zero backlash
[06:16:06] <__rob> but spider caters for angular misalignment, oldham for parrallel ?
[06:16:09] <__rob> is this correct
[06:16:17] <archivist_herron> that if I remember is compression due to lack of proper ballscrew mointing
[06:16:40] <__rob> yea, well the leadscrew mount is very bad
[06:16:45] <__rob> I am replacing that aswll
[06:16:53] <__rob> I did what I could by hand, but I want to mill a V2
[06:17:09] <archivist_herron> helical is ok
[06:17:35] <__rob> I'd rather have something htat hasn't even got the potential for wind up though
[06:17:40] <__rob> so wondering which of these 2 to get
[06:17:42] <__rob> spider or oldham
[06:17:50] <__rob> its a small mill
[06:20:35] <jthornton> you got a link to those couplings, I don't know them by those names
[06:24:31] <archivist_herron> this style iirc
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-6-6-35-8mm-Flexible-Shaft-Coupling-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Coupler-ConnectorD19L25-/360953081039
[06:25:36] <archivist_herron> iirc his ballscrew thrust is on the stepper through the coupling hence the compression
[06:28:01] <_methods> the only way you'll get "0" backlash is a direct drive keyed shaft directly mounted to the motor
[06:28:18] <jthornton> ah he wants to use the stepper motor bearings for his thrust bearings...
[06:28:21] <_methods> all couplers inherently have some backlash
[06:28:51] <_methods> a solid couple will give you the least backlash
[06:29:26] <jthornton> http://ondrivesus.com/articles/zero-backlash-shaft-coupling.htm
[06:30:55] <archivist_herron> bellows have a lower torque limit, some care needed for them
[06:31:06] <jthornton> http://www.zero-max.com/stainless-steel-single-flex-screw-couplings-p-53-l-en.html
[06:31:32] <skunkworks> zero backlash..
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/adaptfinal1.JPG
[06:31:56] <archivist_herron> alignment is fun if you get multiple bearings in line
[06:32:17] <_methods> fun = nightmare
[06:33:42] <archivist_herron> I have a crankshaft alignment tool for outer bearing other side of the flywheel
[06:33:48] <skunkworks> quite a few people have broken shafts off steppers from hard coupling
[06:34:41] <_methods> something has to give
[06:35:17] <archivist_herron> or set up for less that a thou of bend
[06:39:19] <CaptHindsight> __rob:
http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part1.aspx http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/thecouplinghandbook_part2.aspx
[06:42:20] <CaptHindsight> for servos you generally find Oldham couplings and not spiders
[06:44:10] <CaptHindsight> tuning a PID for soft spiders would be challenging for the beginner
[06:59:37] <archivist_herron> plastic on the oldhams is hard enough
[07:03:12] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORIv7K4Mtk
[07:09:16] <skunkworks> loves the tool preveiw.
[07:15:48] <_methods> yeah that is nice
[07:16:00] <_methods> you don't have to go to another simulation window or anything
[07:16:03] <_methods> does it right there
[07:16:53] <_methods> did that sprutcam used to be esprit?
[07:17:17] <_methods> nm esprit is still esprit
[07:44:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.st.com/web/en/seminar/design-tips-for-driving-dc-bldc-motors?sc=dc-bldc-webinar
[07:44:08] <Tom_itx> if anybody's interested
[07:44:30] <malcom2073> DC BLDC? :P
[07:44:37] <malcom2073> Oh, DC & BLDC heh
[08:06:23] <_methods> wow that's a quicky
[08:53:06] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/A0Iyl#0 SNOW!! ;)
[08:54:00] <jdh> bummer
[08:54:29] <jdh> I went bikung last night until the sleet got too bad.
[08:55:32] <_methods> man that looks cold
[08:55:47] <PetefromTn_> I drove my wife to work in her trooper this morning
[08:55:55] <PetefromTn_> the roads in town were clear
[08:56:06] <PetefromTn_> but there were a couple cars in ditches
[08:56:28] <PetefromTn_> and a big dozer was pulling them out on a large hill near my house
[08:57:02] <PetefromTn_> honestly what is really funny is it felt a LOT colder last week when we did not have any snow. this morning it was kinda nice outside..
[08:57:25] <_methods> hehe it's not the heat it's the humidity
[08:58:25] <PetefromTn_> its actually quite nice outside even tho it is like 29 degrees somehow hehe
[08:58:41] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of when I went skiing in tahoe
[08:58:58] <PetefromTn_> there were people wearing tee shirts and shorts while skiing
[08:59:06] <PetefromTn_> weird
[09:02:38] <_methods> is chinese new year over yet
[09:02:47] <_methods> i need to get some cheap laser collimator lenses
[09:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I think we need a month long new years celebration...
[09:03:19] <_methods> we have one it's black history month
[09:03:25] <archivist> I just want the beer
[09:03:50] <PetefromTn_> some tsing tao?
[09:08:14] <_methods> https://gigaom.com/2015/02/24/want-fiber-do-more-to-get-it-google-exec-tells-cities/
[09:22:31] <ninho> i want extract some files .zip in una directory,no one know the shell comand?
[09:22:59] <_methods> unzip -e filename
[09:23:44] <_methods> http://linux.die.net/man/1/unzip
[09:24:01] <ninho> ive many zip and i want puy it in one directory
[09:24:41] <_methods> unzip \*.zip
[09:25:36] <_methods> unzip \*.zip -d dir you want
[09:25:50] <_methods> i think -d will do it you need to read the man page
[09:27:27] <ninho> thanks man work it ;)
[09:27:36] <_methods> np
[10:27:32] <ssi> morn
[10:27:52] <_methods> wud up
[10:28:02] <ssi> nutn
[10:28:10] <ssi> couldn't get out of my driveway today
[10:28:14] <_methods> wow
[10:28:18] <ssi> because teh road was covered in semi trucks full of racecars
[10:28:23] <ssi> :'(
[10:28:26] <_methods> wtf is that all about ?
[10:28:34] <ssi> nascar race this weekend
[10:28:41] <_methods> oh
[10:28:54] <_methods> you live by the track?
[10:28:58] <ssi> yes
[10:29:03] <_methods> you sell parking lol
[10:29:14] <ssi> ugh the landlord tends to less RV parking
[10:29:22] <ssi> and he fills up the areas around my hangars so I can't get in and out
[10:29:24] <ssi> drives me crazy
[10:29:25] <_methods> how convenient
[10:42:05] <_methods> sounds like a good time to put the turret punch on wheels and make some slugs
[10:42:23] <_methods> especially from 1am to 6am
[10:42:37] <Rab> Speed holes!
[10:42:41] <_methods> heheh
[10:42:49] <_methods> thunka thunka thunka thunka
[10:43:02] <_methods> 2" sq punch heheh
[10:45:29] <ssi> lol
[10:45:42] <XXCoder> heh
[10:45:49] <XXCoder> gonna love press
[10:46:02] <XXCoder> I worked near one that I call "earthquake maker"
[10:46:20] <XXCoder> its so damn loud when cutting thicker sheets (I'd guess 2-3 mm?)
[10:46:29] <_methods> heh 1/4"
[10:46:30] <_methods> loud
[11:09:58] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PCS-Waterproof-Momentary-Rotary-Roller-Lever-Limit-Switch-ME-8108-NEW-/391040430542
[11:10:04] <_methods> anyone ever try those out?
[11:10:47] <XXCoder> fancy.
[11:10:52] <_methods> cheap
[11:11:22] <XXCoder> not for me ol I got 3 for few bucks and got e stop and attachment to controller too
[11:11:27] <XXCoder> my machine isnt fancy
[11:14:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150225-pebble-time-smartwatch-with-3d-print-customization-launches-on-kickstarter.html reaches $8m in 1 day
[11:14:10] <_methods> jesus
[11:14:21] <_methods> people still doing this smartwatch thing
[11:14:37] <CaptHindsight> this might be the largest kickstarter ever
[11:14:44] <ssi> I'm pretty sure it is
[11:14:48] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yeah probably beats exploding kitten
[11:14:55] <XXCoder> if it did it sure will be short record!
[11:14:56] <ssi> I think the exploding kittens one was the biggest, and it hit 8.2 in 30 days
[11:15:21] <CaptHindsight> early bird offer of $159 for one Pebble Time ?
[11:15:39] <XXCoder> therre is no $1 or $10 something for news. too bad
[11:15:52] <CaptHindsight> I guess it's just for the novelty of it being new
[11:15:59] <_methods> thanks to cell phone with time on it i no longer need a watch
[11:17:06] <XXCoder> though if lots appts its useful _methods
[11:17:20] <XXCoder> directly check appts list without taking phone out
[11:17:26] <CaptHindsight> 3rd generation
[11:17:37] <archivist> which makes me an out of work clockmaker
[11:17:56] <_methods> luckily i haven't reached the level of lazy where i can't reach into my pocket and grab my phone
[11:17:58] <XXCoder> archivist: always wanted proper watch
[11:18:00] <XXCoder> no battery
[11:18:02] <XXCoder> at all.
[11:18:15] <XXCoder> _methods: sometimes thats bad idea to do so
[11:18:19] <XXCoder> like at work
[11:19:02] <archivist> I have a mechanical watch or few (loose and dead in scrap boxes)
[11:19:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150224-hermle-unveils-giant-hybrid-5-axis-metal-3d-printer-cnc-mill-mpa-40.html
[11:20:10] <XXCoder> new one eh
[11:21:22] <XXCoder> bah hoped for new video
[11:21:26] <XXCoder> but cool nevertheles
[11:21:35] <CaptHindsight> I'm still trying to figure out what the watch does besides tell time
[11:21:53] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: appointments list
[11:21:58] <XXCoder> besides dunno
[11:22:07] <CaptHindsight> I had one in the 80's that did that
[11:22:30] <XXCoder> really? never knew 80s had watch with appointments
[11:22:54] <CaptHindsight> is it a wireless display that you push messages to?
[11:22:57] <archivist> casio had some specials
[11:23:44] <archivist> one would see the flashing on a PC display to program it
[11:23:44] <XXCoder> gonna run, interview. later all
[11:23:51] <XXCoder> archivist: oh yeah!
[11:23:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:24:03] <XXCoder> laters wish me luck
[11:24:20] <archivist> break a leg
[11:24:44] <ssi> the only thing about the pebble that's even remotely compelling for me
[11:25:07] <ssi> is the fact that you can get text messages and see who's calling without reaching in your pocket
[11:25:15] <CaptHindsight> it's over $10M right now
[11:25:21] <ssi> when I'm running a lathe for instance, and I get a message, I like to be able to see if it's something worth stopping for
[11:25:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises/description
[11:25:32] <ssi> and all my pants pockets are greasy around the outside from checking my phone while doing machine work
[11:25:35] <ssi> heh
[11:25:36] <archivist> I am immune from kickstarter junk
[11:25:54] <ssi> that said, I think the pebble itself is an ugly useless piece of equipment and I don't want it
[11:25:57] <_methods> pete leaves to go buy quickstarter junk
[11:27:25] <CaptHindsight> ah so it already has 6500 apps and 26K+ devs
[11:27:40] <CaptHindsight> that the hook
[11:28:04] <CaptHindsight> you get people to think that they can make money/business of the apps for it
[11:28:10] <CaptHindsight> of/off
[11:28:41] <CaptHindsight> I knew it had to be more than just the watch
[11:29:20] <CaptHindsight> it's like selling picks, shovels and pans to the gold miners
[11:30:02] <archivist> and claims
[11:30:50] <archivist> I wonder what percentage of the miners broke even
[11:31:08] <CaptHindsight> the numbers were really low
[11:31:28] <CaptHindsight> the suppliers all got wealthy
[11:31:40] <ssi> same with bitcoin
[11:31:49] <archivist> and Apple
[11:31:52] <ssi> only way I made any money at bitcoin was the fact that I designed and built hardware and sold it to people
[11:33:05] <cradek> http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/
[11:33:33] <ssi> lol
[11:36:04] <CaptHindsight> if bitcoin was legit for a few $million someone in Taiwan could have made ASIC's and cleaned up
[11:38:10] <ssi> someone did
[11:38:13] <ssi> several someones did
[11:38:30] <ssi> I got four engineering samples of one of the early chips and built hardware to run it
[11:38:43] <ssi> and ended up with five hundred of those chips over the next few months, and had a big farm running
[11:38:49] <CaptHindsight> I mean just kept one step ahead and controlled the game not just selling ASIC boards to miners
[11:38:50] <ssi> in 2013
[11:39:55] <ssi> there was a lot of that too
[11:40:17] <ssi> the guy that designed the asics I used built the worlds biggest private asic mining pool
[11:40:24] <ssi> I think it was like 40% of the network at one point
[11:40:59] <CaptHindsight> there were 2-3 different ASIC announcements, were 2 scams that never shipped?
[11:41:00] <ssi> the hilarious irony of bitcoin... all these communist-minded people had this idea that bitcoin was taking the power of currency back to the proletariat
[11:41:05] <ssi> and natural capitalist patterns emerged
[11:41:08] <ssi> and they got all butthurt about it
[11:41:22] <Rab> Worth noting that "e-paper" was a weasel-word in the context of the original Pebble. It wasn't e-ink, but a comparatively power-hungry persistant LCD technology. Not sure if the color display in the new watch is an extrapolation of the same stuff.
[11:42:02] <Rab> ssi, I thought bitcoin was more of a Libertarian anarcho-capitalist phenomenon.
[11:42:30] <ssi> depends who you ask :)
[11:43:24] <ssi> but the reason that litecoin and all the scrypt variants emerged is because people didn't like the idea that people who had the capital to build asics would eventually crowd out people who only wanted to mine on video cards from best buy
[11:44:30] <CaptHindsight> if the ASIC's gave you the advantage why would anyone sell the ASIC's? :)
[11:44:43] <ssi> there's a couple answers to that
[11:44:47] <CaptHindsight> or actually gave the advantage
[11:44:57] <ssi> asics are manufactured in huge quanitty
[11:45:09] <ssi> and spinning up the infrastructure to run them is hard, time consuming, expensive
[11:45:10] <CaptHindsight> if you want to
[11:45:25] <CaptHindsight> not if you're in Taiwan
[11:45:30] <ssi> you can maximize your profits by taking some percentage of the chips you make and selling them to third parties who will do that work
[11:46:07] <DaViruz> my house just burned down
[11:46:25] <ssi> did it?
[11:46:42] <ssi> was it bitcoin related? or laser?
[11:46:44] <DaViruz> well, in the bitcoin simulator
[11:46:44] <ssi> or 3d printer?
[11:46:46] <ssi> oh
[11:47:12] <DaViruz> it's kind off clever actually
[11:48:55] <CaptHindsight> I need to make a low cost lithography system for ASIC's
[11:52:42] <CaptHindsight> controlled by Linuxcnc of course
[11:53:41] <ssi> do it
[11:53:47] <ssi> you'll need a wirebonder too
[11:54:39] <CaptHindsight> for ~1 um geometry people could make their own IC's at home
[11:54:56] <ssi> that would be awesome
[11:54:59] <ssi> I'd love to play with something like that
[11:55:40] <CaptHindsight> 10Mhz clocks
[11:59:25] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/370720808856?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0
[11:59:36] <__rob> how zero-backlash are these likely to be ?
[11:59:42] <__rob> with a single nut
[11:59:53] <__rob> also C7.. but C5 looks too expensive
[12:00:45] <__rob> also wondering if I bought 2 nutsand sprung them if this would make it really zero
[12:00:55] <_methods> they make a 2 nut version
[12:01:02] <archivist> C number is the quality
[12:01:20] <__rob> in terms of the variation in the lead etc.. ?
[12:01:28] <_methods> i think it's dfu1605 maybe
[12:01:30] <archivist> and play
[12:01:43] <__rob> right, so I really want to get backlash as small as possible
[12:02:03] <__rob> so the double nut version can be preloaded ?
[12:03:12] <__rob> ughh, googled that dfu1605, first result is $100 for the nut alone
[12:04:17] <archivist> quality costs
[12:04:24] <_methods> yeah
[12:04:26] <tjtr33> double nut _is_ preloaded, its 2 nuts with a precision shim between. oreo cookie of ballnuts
[12:04:47] <_methods> unfortunately every time you add 0's to your precision you add 0's to the end of the price
[12:07:04] <ssi> usually more 0's on the price than on the precision :(
[12:07:16] <ssi> it goes up by like cubic orders of magnitude or something
[12:07:26] <archivist> or compensate
[12:08:54] <dirty_d> i got down to 0.0015" jsut with oversized balls
[12:09:01] <Rab> ...
[12:09:05] <dirty_d> lol
[12:09:22] <dirty_d> have no room for double nuts in my machine anyway
[12:10:07] <archivist> I tend to write unidirectional gcode like a manual miller would use
[12:10:43] <archivist> even write shuffles to remove lash
[12:11:17] <dirty_d> do you compensate depending if climb or conventional milling?
[12:11:30] <__rob> dirty_d did you have to load the nut yourself ?
[12:11:34] <__rob> with replacement balls ?
[12:11:58] <dirty_d> __rob, yea it was hard at first, but once you do it you start to get really good at it
[12:12:16] <_methods> the chinese ones?
[12:12:23] <_methods> how do you do yours?
[12:12:27] <dirty_d> probably, i used cncfusion.com
[12:12:30] <archivist> dirty_d, usually conventional milling as my machine is not up to climb
[12:12:44] <_methods> does it have a tube on it?
[12:12:48] <dirty_d> i pushed them in one by one with a mini screwdriver or something
[12:13:24] <dirty_d> once you figure out how to do it, it only takes like a couple minutes to load them all.
[12:13:26] <_methods> i just ordered some oversize bearing for mine
[12:13:37] <_methods> so i'm about to have to do the same thing
[12:13:42] <dirty_d> its definitely worth it, the balls are cheap
[12:13:47] <_methods> yeah
[12:13:50] <dirty_d> its just a matter of guessing what size to use
[12:13:53] <dirty_d> it was kinda trial and error
[12:13:55] <_methods> like $5 for 100
[12:13:59] <dirty_d> yea
[12:16:13] <_methods> was hoping they'd show up today
[12:16:17] <_methods> but chinese new year
[12:16:45] <_methods> 11 months of work and 1 month off
[12:18:36] <CaptHindsight> a month is for lucky and wealthy to just around a week for the less fortunate
[12:19:09] <CaptHindsight> I'm already getting emails from people back at work there
[12:23:24] <dirty_d> more snow...
[12:26:56] <ninho> ciao a tutti belli e brutti
[12:28:50] <_Sync_> CaptHindsight: the litho isn't really the most critical thing
[12:35:33] <jdh> unrelated: I want to ssh over BT to my android phone and then ssh out from there over gsm. Any suggestions on how?
[12:37:17] <_Sync_> can't you just tether and then ssh directly?
[12:41:14] <jdh> no
[12:41:46] <dirty_d> wifi isnt an option?
[12:41:57] <jdh> no
[12:42:52] <dirty_d> then this i guess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_area_network
[12:42:55] <CaptHindsight> at 1um we can just inkjet circuits
[12:43:39] <CaptHindsight> but unless I also make the fluids in China not many can afford the $10K/per liter prices
[12:43:52] <SpeedEvil> Sure they can
[12:43:58] <SpeedEvil> If the circuits are 1um
[12:44:10] <SpeedEvil> (resolution)
[12:44:31] <SpeedEvil> You're not going to be printing an A4 page of densely packed 1um circuitry too often
[12:46:22] <CaptHindsight> it would be several uL per circuit
[12:46:49] <dirty_d> jdh, if you know java it shouldn't be that hard
[12:47:26] <dirty_d> basically just a RFCOMM bt socket on the phone that proxies to a TCP connection
[12:47:46] <_methods> can't most phones BT tether now?
[12:48:03] <dirty_d> if you make the app so you just set a hostname and port to proxy to, then thats pretty much all you need to do, it should "just work"
[12:48:49] <jdh> I can't tether
[12:48:57] <_methods> bluetooth tether?
[12:49:12] <_methods> not usb tether
[12:49:14] <jdh> I can't tether via anything
[12:49:20] <_methods> hmm
[12:49:30] <_methods> well that certainly makes it more challenging
[12:49:31] <dirty_d> jdh, if you root it you can if thats an option
[12:49:42] <dirty_d> unless theres another reason
[12:49:44] <jdh> Not rootable either
[12:49:48] <dirty_d> ahh
[12:49:54] <_methods> but your phone has an ssh client
[12:50:05] <_methods> and no internet access?
[12:50:07] <jdh> even rooted, tethering isn't workable
[12:51:45] <jdh> I can BT serial from the PC, thats about it.
[12:51:59] <_methods> hmmm
[12:52:03] <jdh> maybe adb, but probably not
[12:52:33] <dirty_d> are you going to be connecting to the same host/port out from the phone mostly all the time?
[12:53:28] <_methods> ok so your phone has the internet and you want to ssh out through yoru phone sorry had to reread all that
[12:54:42] <_methods> you might be able to use cu
[12:54:51] <_methods> start a BT serial connection with that
[12:54:55] <_methods> http://linux.die.net/man/1/cu
[12:55:25] <_methods> assuming the pc is linux
[12:56:07] <_Sync_> CaptHindsight: it is far cheaper to buy real masks
[12:56:31] <_Sync_> at 1µ they cost around $200 in boro/hardchrome
[12:57:03] <SpeedEvil> I think he may have been meaning not masks, but circuitry
[12:57:06] <SpeedEvil> but I dunno
[12:58:26] <SpeedEvil> Also - geometry. 1um*($10K/$200) 20ml = 20m^2
[12:58:50] <_Sync_> the most limiting factor is cleanliness, buying MIF chemicals is expensive and annpying to deal with
[12:59:05] <_Sync_> and after that doping
[12:59:08] <mozmck> hmm, this looks like a pretty good deal:
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4899641511.html
[12:59:35] <_Sync_> one is basically limited to diffusion which is shit for that technology step
[13:00:01] <_Sync_> and even buying an old ion implanter is super annoying because of the fun gasses
[13:00:05] <_methods> wow $4800
[13:00:13] <SpeedEvil> Also, I point everyone to #homecmos
[13:00:16] <SpeedEvil> which is awesome
[13:00:17] <dirty_d> jdh, wait yea you should be able to use adb to do this
[13:00:34] <SpeedEvil> The aim of #homecmos is to make stuff in the garage using non-toxicish materials
[13:01:32] <_Sync_> that's not a bad deal mozmck
[13:02:03] <mozmck> Wish I had space and spare cash!
[13:03:07] <zeeshan> __rob: i got about 3 thou to 4.5 thou with mine
[13:03:18] <zeeshan> single nut version
[13:04:19] <_Sync_> yeah I was pretty amazed how expensive preloaded ballscrews are
[13:04:38] <zeeshan> theyre like 30$ from china
[13:04:41] <zeeshan> thats not expensive :P
[13:04:46] <_Sync_> but not in C3
[13:04:48] <_methods> $16
[13:05:03] <_Sync_> and acutally worth the steel they are made out of
[13:05:15] <zeeshan> ??
[13:05:21] <zeeshan> theyre hardened
[13:05:31] <zeeshan> theyre a bitch to mill with even carbide
[13:06:32] <_Sync_> run them for a few thousand hours at their rated load and you will see the difference
[13:07:10] <zeeshan> 1pc 1605 DOUBLE BALLNUT 1pc 2505 DOUBLE BALLNUT 89 usd Total.
[13:07:54] <zeeshan> you usually never run bearings at their rated load
[13:08:09] <zeeshan> theres a whole bunch of derating that happens
[13:08:44] <_Sync_> you don't but it usually is a good measure of how good the manufacturer understands metallurgy
[13:11:35] <zeeshan> can you be more specific on the life of the bearing
[13:11:37] <zeeshan> and its rated units
[13:11:50] <zeeshan> because im currently assuming you're saying catalog rating in kN/lbf , and life in hours
[13:11:57] <zeeshan> and speed rating
[13:12:30] <anarchos> wow that does seem like a good deal on that bridgeport
[13:12:42] <_Sync_> with ballscrews usually load and rotational speed
[13:12:44] <anarchos> I really want a machine like that, just need the space! ;)
[13:13:04] <zeeshan> i guess thats parts of the problem
[13:13:06] <zeeshan> they dont specify life
[13:13:36] <_Sync_> depends, with regular bearings you get a failure in millions of revs
[13:13:38] <zeeshan> usually in _american_ catalogs,
[13:13:43] <zeeshan> you get 10^6 cycles
[13:13:52] <zeeshan> at that speed, and load
[13:13:52] <_Sync_> with ballscrews it is harder, but you can just test them
[13:16:10] <zeeshan> if they're failing at rated speed and rated load well before 10^6
[13:16:15] <zeeshan> cycles, i guess theyre not good! :P
[13:16:27] <zeeshan> but most of these companies source their stuff from well known bearing manufacturers
[13:16:52] <zeeshan> so many of the big names get their stuff from china now
[13:18:41] <zeeshan> i ordered my hydraulic cylinder parts
[13:18:44] <zeeshan> will take 8 weeks! :P
[13:19:09] <_Sync_> sure, but if you compare regular bearings you usually can find differences
[13:19:31] <zeeshan> theres that reliability factor too
[13:19:33] <_Sync_> and with ballscres I have found that the cheap ones either don't hold their preload
[13:19:36] <zeeshan> usually you use 90%
[13:19:49] <zeeshan> lower it down to 50%
[13:19:50] <_Sync_> or cannot acheive their linear precision
[13:19:51] <zeeshan> and you'll be oaky! :P
[13:20:02] <zeeshan> my lathe ones have been working good
[13:20:07] <zeeshan> but im no where close to their rated load and speed
[13:20:12] <_Sync_> I can also just spend 20ct more for a proper bearing
[13:20:21] <zeeshan> ct?
[13:20:47] <_Sync_> with regular bearings it usually is that much, spindle bearings another story
[13:21:31] <zeeshan> spindle bearings are so expensive :[
[13:21:34] <zeeshan> but so precise!
[13:22:19] <zeeshan> http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/procurement/counterfeit-bearings-seized-at-toronto-airport-81870/
[13:22:20] <zeeshan> lol
[13:22:43] <_Sync_> for some application I had to get some small lash free screws
[13:23:16] <_Sync_> 6x1mm 40mm stroke screw costs around 1k
[13:28:40] <jdh> if you need that, you don't waste time complaining about nut cost
[13:29:05] <zeeshan> :-)
[13:29:15] <jdh> you just buy and move along
[13:31:30] <zeeshan> dude
[13:31:38] <zeeshan> we spent $300
[13:31:41] <zeeshan> on a piece of glass..
[13:31:52] <zeeshan> 2.625"x12.375x 1/8"
[13:31:55] <zeeshan> quartz
[13:32:04] <zeeshan> i thought that was crazy expensive
[13:32:20] <zeeshan> but apparently not to the lab budget!
[13:32:42] <_Sync_> nah, try buying custom bandpass filters
[13:33:24] <ssi> http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/warren-g-and-kenny-g-finally-perform-together.html
[13:33:28] <ssi> ahahah
[13:33:39] <_methods> buwhahahha
[13:33:44] <_methods> i got 5 on it
[13:33:57] <CaptHindsight> speaking of masks, zeeshan did yoiu ever get yours?
[13:34:04] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: no
[13:34:05] <zeeshan> :{
[13:34:18] <zeeshan> im getting eager to try photopolymer
[13:34:28] <zeeshan> so i am going to just laser etch a transperency sheet
[13:34:34] <zeeshan> it only has 1 thou res
[13:34:37] <zeeshan> but thats good enough for now
[13:35:16] <dirty_d> what am i looking at here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-DFU1605-double-ball-nuts-for-ball-screw-RM1605-/111148472553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e0f718e9
[13:35:20] <dirty_d> how are they connected together?
[13:35:33] <_Sync_> seriously, get some quotes from real mask places
[13:35:38] <_Sync_> in 1µ they are cheap as shit
[13:35:38] <_methods> with a metal tab
[13:35:46] <_methods> and screws
[13:36:03] <_methods> preload and screw in place
[13:36:19] <CaptHindsight> looks like nobody has tainted the waters yet by crowdfunding a desktop integrated circuit printer that doesn't work
[13:36:33] <dirty_d> that shitty looking screw is where you adjust preload?
[13:36:39] <Connor> That nut is WAY expensive. Check with LMB2008
[13:36:42] <_methods> the 2 nuts
[13:36:55] <zeeshan> thats like 2.25x the price
[13:37:18] <_methods> it proably with ballscrew
[13:37:18] <Connor> I think I paid twice that for a total of 3 screws ALL double nutted.
[13:37:52] <dirty_d> this is the kit i have from cncfusion
http://www.cncfusion.com/images/G0704/Kit/SDC10448.JPG
[13:38:00] <dirty_d> they look like the same nuts almost
[13:38:05] <_methods> that's for 2 doublenuts
[13:38:15] <zeeshan> those look like nice mounts
[13:38:25] <jdh> is that a go704 kit?
[13:38:26] <dirty_d> whats LMB2008?
[13:38:30] <dirty_d> jdh, yup
[13:38:35] <jdh> nifty
[13:38:38] <Connor> Linear Motion Bearings 2008
[13:38:40] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/linearmotionbearings2008/m.html
[13:38:43] <Connor> He's a ebay seller.
[13:38:44] <zeeshan> contact him
[13:38:59] <_methods> yeah that guy
[13:39:01] <dirty_d> ahh
[13:39:40] * zeeshan is using solid couplings for the motor
[13:39:47] <zeeshan> i wonder how long my stepper bearings last
[13:39:48] <zeeshan> :p
[13:39:49] <Connor> cgxfred@aliyun.com is a email address I have for him if you need to order something not in his ebay store.
[13:40:06] <Connor> His name is Chai
[13:40:37] <Connor> I last dealt with him @ that email address Sep 25 2014
[13:40:37] <zeeshan> package has a ciggarette smell to it
[13:40:39] <zeeshan> fresh from china
[13:40:49] <Connor> Oh.. and is it still Chinese new year?
[13:41:33] <dirty_d> dont see any double nuts in that store
[13:41:40] <zeeshan> you'll need to custom order
[13:41:40] <Connor> and you may be better off ordering a complete screw turned correctly with the double nut installed.. They really need to to be matched up to the screw.
[13:42:02] <zeeshan> 1605 DOUBLE BALLNUT
[13:42:05] <zeeshan> is what you wanna ask him about
[13:42:06] <dirty_d> they do? i thought that was more the case with oversized balls
[13:42:22] <zeeshan> connor
[13:42:25] <zeeshan> mine were ordered seperate
[13:42:27] <zeeshan> they fit fine
[13:42:34] <Connor> What about the preload ?
[13:42:41] <zeeshan> 0 backlash
[13:42:42] <zeeshan> :)
[13:42:48] <zeeshan> i havent measured preload
[13:42:51] <zeeshan> but backlash
[13:42:52] <Connor> and do we know for a fact that they're going on the same ballscrew ?
[13:43:08] <zeeshan> huh?
[13:43:18] <zeeshan> i ordered 2505 screw w/ single nut
[13:43:22] <zeeshan> it had 4.5 thou backlash
[13:43:24] <Connor> the screw may not be a LMB2008 screw.
[13:43:28] <zeeshan> so i ordered a double nut and put it on there
[13:43:29] <zeeshan> and it worked
[13:43:35] <Connor> YOU did.. came from Chae.. his might not..
[13:43:37] <zeeshan> oh
[13:44:03] <zeeshan> connor
[13:44:05] <zeeshan> did you see my before and after pic
[13:44:09] <zeeshan> of cleaning tools?
[13:44:16] <zeeshan> its amazing how much of a diff there is
[13:44:33] <zeeshan> zep purple power
[13:44:38] <Connor> zeeshan: No. and dang it.. you can put my name on the same line as your question. :)
[13:44:46] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16647873022/in/photostream/
[13:44:53] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16030549593/in/photostream/
[13:44:54] <zeeshan> !
[13:45:21] <zeeshan> im gonna clean my garage floor with this stuff
[13:45:22] <zeeshan> :D
[13:45:24] <Connor> nice. Is it a de-rust ?
[13:45:29] <zeeshan> no
[13:45:31] <zeeshan> degreaser
[13:45:48] <zeeshan> they didnt have much rust on em
[13:45:54] <Connor> I like the tool rack
[13:45:58] <zeeshan> just two rotations with a scotch brite pad
[13:46:05] <zeeshan> cleaned up the tapers
[13:46:59] <Connor> I'm still working on my Damn kitchen. I have most of the wall cabinets hung.. and the base cabinets temp set. I need to install wall board..but.. snowed in AGAIN.
[13:47:21] <zeeshan> any pics?
[13:48:06] <Connor> dirty_d: I hope your using a different coupler than what's shown in that picture.. those aluminum spiral ones SUCK. Get oldhames from McMaster
[13:48:15] <Connor> Not yet.
[13:48:37] <zeeshan> i need new couplers
[13:48:43] <zeeshan> instead of the solid one im using right now :/
[13:48:48] <Connor> I like the ez-level hardware I used.. those are nice.
[13:49:01] <Connor> Solid, ick. you looking to break the shaft on the stepper?
[13:49:05] <zeeshan> lol
[13:49:10] <zeeshan> well theyre pretty well aligned
[13:49:18] <dirty_d> Connor, its a spiral one
[13:49:34] <Connor> dirty_d: Yea. Those suck. you need to use oldhams.
[13:49:49] <dirty_d> Connor, not ridig enough?
[13:49:54] <dirty_d> rigid
[13:50:02] <Connor> They'll break under the metal fatigue.
[13:50:15] <Connor> http://www.mcmaster.com/#oldham-couplings/=w2wf9j
[13:50:47] <Connor> You buy 2 halfs.. and the disc. The disc act's as a mechanical fuse and can also be replaced if it wears out.
[13:51:02] <Connor> much better for Offset miss alignment.
[13:51:12] <Connor> 0 backlash.
[13:51:19] <zeeshan> i called my local supplier
[13:51:22] <_Sync_> you can also buy metal bellows one for more torsional rigidity
[13:51:28] <zeeshan> he says he can get lovejoy couplings faster
[13:51:45] <ssi> I've used plenty of lovejoys
[13:51:51] <zeeshan> are they good?
[13:51:53] <ssi> sure
[13:51:54] <zeeshan> the zero backlash versions
[13:51:57] <ssi> I think oldhams are slightly better
[13:51:59] <ssi> but lovejoys are fine
[13:52:02] <Connor> I didn't think lovejoy's where 0 backlash
[13:52:13] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/curved-jaw.aspx
[13:52:19] <ssi> the spiders are rubber and slightly oversized
[13:52:20] <_Sync_> they should be
[13:52:21] <ssi> so tehy take up the lash
[13:52:27] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/mini-disc.aspx
[13:52:27] <dirty_d> hmm
[13:52:38] <zeeshan> that looks like the two diff styles
[13:52:40] <zeeshan> with 0 backlash
[13:52:53] <dirty_d> my kit came with shitty lovejoy couplings with a lot of backlash
[13:53:08] <zeeshan> www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/mini-jaw.aspx
[13:53:09] <zeeshan> these?
[13:53:12] <zeeshan> those arent zero bcklash
[13:53:17] <zeeshan> those are the most common ones
[13:53:26] <Connor> I tend to think of using lovejoy for shaft driven motor applications like sanders and such.. oldhams where you need 0 backlash.
[13:53:27] <dirty_d> i had like 0.010" backlash on all axes, got the spiral ones, and oversized balls and its down to 0.0015"
[13:53:51] <dirty_d> yea those ones
[13:53:55] <Connor> That's not bad for single nut C7 scres.
[13:54:10] <_Sync_> Connor: they allow for more play in all directions
[13:54:13] <_Sync_> but they will wear out
[13:54:19] <_Sync_> the bellows ones are much better
[13:54:26] <_Sync_> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/bellows.aspx
[13:54:54] <Connor> I like the way oldhams go together.. you can remove the motor without having to loosen the coupler.
[13:54:55] <zeeshan> thsoe doesnt say zero backlash
[13:54:59] <ssi> bellows are fragile
[13:55:38] <zeeshan> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/motion-control-couplings/oldham.aspx
[13:55:42] <ssi> I have small bellows couplers in my HNC
[13:55:42] <zeeshan> looks like they have oldham style ones
[13:55:49] <ssi> they couple just a gear train that runs the resolver and tach
[13:55:57] <ssi> and HIGH accel during servo tuning was enough to break the bellows
[13:56:07] <ssi> just the inertia of that gear and the resolver/tach
[13:56:10] <ssi> crazyness
[13:56:16] <_Sync_> yeah that can happen if you are crazy fast
[13:56:27] <ssi> it was an oscillation
[13:56:27] <_Sync_> but a geartrain on the resolver 0o
[13:56:31] <zeeshan> ssi nice
[13:56:32] <zeeshan> !
[13:56:37] <dirty_d> i dont think my steppers are strong enough to break any kind of coupler
[13:56:48] <_Sync_> but generally they are the best choice if you are closly aligned
[13:56:50] <ssi> _Sync_: it's a very tight train :)
[13:56:58] <ssi> that machine is precise as hell
[13:57:08] <ssi> and the resolvers turn 5:1 vs the ballscrews
[13:57:15] <zeeshan> wow
[13:57:17] <_Sync_> sure but, wouldn't it be easier to run high resolution resolvers?
[13:57:18] <zeeshan> lovejoy is a good company
[13:57:18] <ssi> it's timing belt not gears
[13:57:22] <zeeshan> can tell theyve got engineers there
[13:57:25] <zeeshan> wwith their data spec sheets
[13:57:25] <zeeshan> ahha
[13:57:26] <_Sync_> I guess it depends on the age of the machine
[13:57:30] <ssi> '78 :P
[13:57:36] <_Sync_> yeah well
[13:57:47] <_Sync_> resolvers were spendy back then
[13:57:49] <ssi> but the original control was 0.000020" resolution
[13:58:08] <dirty_d> what is?
[13:58:11] <ssi> I can't imagine what those machines cost new
[13:58:15] <dirty_d> thats possible?
[13:58:24] <_Sync_> why not dirty_d?
[13:58:24] <ssi> sure
[13:58:35] <_methods> how you think they make cmm
[13:58:38] <CaptHindsight> _Sync_: I was thinking about an inkjet printer for IC's on synthetic paper using polymeric materials
[13:58:41] <dirty_d> i feel like if you breathed on something it would move that much
[13:58:52] <ssi> it will :P
[13:58:54] <_methods> temp controlled
[13:58:58] <ssi> you need temperature control to really hold those tolerances
[13:58:59] <zeeshan> looks like the GS series
[13:59:00] <dirty_d> whats cmm?
[13:59:05] <zeeshan> is what they offer for servo coupling applications
[13:59:05] <_methods> vibration damped
[13:59:18] <_methods> coordinate measuring machine
[13:59:38] <dirty_d> ahh
[13:59:54] <CaptHindsight> 75um geometry could still print circuits in the many Khz range and they would visible to the naked eye
[13:59:54] <_Sync_> good luck with that CaptHindsight
[14:01:06] <dirty_d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=844UiRBVxlY
[14:01:12] <CaptHindsight> Epson heads are good down to ~2pL, they just have a giant fluid reservoir
[14:01:12] <dirty_d> thats a big gear theyve got there...
[14:01:30] <CaptHindsight> giant for this application
[14:01:38] <_Sync_> you call this big dirty_d?
[14:01:47] <CaptHindsight> but it can hold 8 different fluids in one head
[14:02:07] <dirty_d> but wait, theres more!
[14:02:45] <_Sync_> yeah there are some larger ones, but those are not really that huge
[14:02:54] <_Sync_> probably windmill gearboxes
[14:03:10] <CaptHindsight> it could hold a conductor, resistor, n-type semi, p-type, dielectric and an insulator
[14:04:13] <_Sync_> I'm not so sure on the performance of organic semiconductors
[14:05:51] <jdh> my spleen makes pnp junctions
[14:05:58] <CaptHindsight> another idea could be to place discrete transistor die on inkjet printed paper
[14:06:34] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, trying to compile libfltk_gl.a
[14:09:24] <CaptHindsight> how to sync motion in Linuxcnc to a stack of SVG images?
[14:10:06] <CaptHindsight> I want to finish the config for Linuxcnc to control SLA printers that use a projector (DLP/LCD etc)
[14:10:08] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you dont have to
[14:10:27] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you have the wrong version of the solvespace code or something
[14:10:32] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: you mean somehow control more than just the Z?
[14:10:52] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, how are you building? "./automake && ./configure && make"?
[14:11:33] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: yes, Z for the 1-axis and coordinate the images for the projector
[14:12:34] <CaptHindsight> then this may be expanded for SLA + other operations like inserting fasteners, machining operations etc
[14:13:30] <Cromaglious> trying automake now
[14:13:44] <CaptHindsight> an M-code may be used to signal for the next image to be displayed
[14:14:41] <CaptHindsight> so the G-code to control the simplest of SLA printers will just have Z motion and and M-code for the images
[14:14:56] <Cromaglious> g++: /usr/local/lib/libfltk_gl.a: No such file or directory
[14:18:06] * SpeedEvil imagines setting the individual images up as tools.
[14:26:21] <Cromaglious> hmmm bicycle fron hub is 100mm wide I can probably find ceramic bearing to fit in them for a 8mm shaft. gives me the basis to build a spindle using a ER11a 8mm shaft 150mm long straight collet check extension tool C8-ER11A-150L
[14:27:01] <bobo_> zeeshan: 8 weeks ! if they were sent a shovel to dig up the ore , would that help ? may be 10 weeks with their May day stuff. --just in time mafg. sucks
[14:27:07] <jdh> rear is 130mm
[14:29:24] <Cromaglious> 4:1 pulley set lets me use a 3220 AC induction motor for a 14Kish rpm spindle
[14:31:00] <Cromaglious> hmm 3:1 using a 6500rpm treadmill mill gives me almost 20Krpm
[14:31:48] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you need to delete the source you have now and re-clone it
[14:31:55] <Cromaglious> k
[14:32:29] <dirty_d> git clone
https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace-linux-fixes.git
[14:32:34] <dirty_d> then just
[14:32:51] <dirty_d> you know, what i said before
[14:33:13] <dirty_d> oops, ./autogen.sh not ./automake.sh
[14:33:36] <dirty_d> ./autogen.sh then ./configure then make
[14:34:43] <Cromaglious> ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
[14:34:49] <dirty_d> yea
[14:34:57] <georgenz> Hey guys... second day trying to get spindle running...
[14:35:41] <Cromaglious> georgenz, whats the pin supposed to source 50ma?
[14:36:19] <Cromaglious> put a LED with a resister on that output and ground and use that as a id10t light
[14:36:30] <georgenz> Im not sure on the source
[14:36:50] <georgenz> I have cw and ccw functioing on outputs 1 and 2
[14:37:18] <Cromaglious> compiling
[14:37:22] <georgenz> The analog output 5 doesnt seem to be working for me
[14:37:34] <georgenz> Its either my shoddy wiring or setup
[14:37:35] <Cromaglious> even for a servo?
[14:38:02] <georgenz> The three servos on analog 0 to 2 are working fine
[14:38:07] <georgenz> I have set spindle as analog 5
[14:38:21] <dirty_d> analog output? whats taht PWM from the parallel port?
[14:38:38] <dirty_d> my spindle is still controlled by fingers
[14:38:41] <georgenz> PWM from 7i77
[14:39:59] <Cromaglious> it can't find -lGL and I have /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.a
[14:39:59] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so
[14:39:59] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1
[14:39:59] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1.5.070701
[14:40:37] <dirty_d> paste the whole output to pastebin.com
[14:40:43] <Cromaglious> k
[14:41:24] <PCW> georgenz:analog out 5 has a different enable, it maybe not 'net'ed to the proper signal in HAL
[14:42:16] <georgenz> Ok?
[14:42:40] <PetefromTn_> Cool man I just put a bid in on a job that would be about a week and a halfs worth of work... WISH ME LUCK GUYS!!
[14:42:56] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/0xNaASFw
[14:43:04] <georgenz> The enable pin isnt being used on my vfd, do u mean analog output enable or vfd enable?
[14:43:23] <georgenz> Fingers crossed for u pete
[14:43:26] <PCW> I mean the pin in the HAL file
[14:43:30] <bobo_> good luck Pete
[14:43:41] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, I rubbed my budda belly for you
[14:43:59] <Cromaglious> the one on the alter not on my belly
[14:44:14] <georgenz> So that pin in the HAL file will... when netted enable the analog output?
[14:44:18] <PetefromTn_> Thanks guys I am sure to get it with budda belly on my side!
[14:44:56] <PCW> yes I think its xxxxxxx.spinena
[14:44:58] <bobo_> rubbing Cat now
[14:45:22] <Cromaglious> ditto, black kitty as well
[14:45:30] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, seems like libgl-mesa isnt installed right or something
[14:45:33] <PetefromTn_> OH shit no black kitty's man...
[14:46:34] <Cromaglious> and the white doggy belly
[14:46:42] <georgenz> PCW, do i open terminal and halrun?
[14:47:14] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, So solly no christians here... black cats are GOOD luck!
[14:47:44] <PetefromTn_> well okay I'll take your word for it... ;)
[14:48:14] <Cromaglious> ever see a wiccan with a white cat?
[14:48:35] <PetefromTn_> never seen a wiccan?..
[14:49:14] <FinboySlick> Heh, and I wouldn't think of wiccans first when I think 'lucky person'.
[14:49:26] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, try LDFLAGS='/usr/lib/mesa' ./configure && make
[14:49:36] <dirty_d> if that doesnt work run make clean, then make again
[14:49:44] <Cromaglious> it's that lady with the peasant skirt kinda hippy looking with the point up star at her throat
[14:49:45] <georgenz> Hey Pete... did u have any troubke getting yr spindle to drive?
[14:49:56] <PetefromTn_> define trouble heh
[14:50:12] <georgenz> Like... it wouldnt turn when u told it to
[14:50:17] <PetefromTn_> what you need to do is first get it to run under internal control
[14:50:22] <Cromaglious> ok reloading mesaGL
[14:50:34] <georgenz> How to do??
[14:50:38] <PetefromTn_> there is a setting that is for the input type
[14:51:20] <PetefromTn_> get it wired up for power and set the input type to panel IE the control panel and then you can turn the spindle on and adjust the speed that way to make sure everything is working
[14:51:43] <PetefromTn_> then you need to get it wired into the 7i77 and switch the setting to take the external control.
[14:52:20] <georgenz> What is the IE contol panel
[14:52:38] <Cromaglious> ahh LDFLAGS ok trying that and installing some more mesaGL dev stuff
[14:52:45] <georgenz> I have vfd running
[14:52:57] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i dont think you need to install any more opengl stuff
[14:53:01] <PetefromTn_> that means In other words not a vfd acronym
[14:53:02] <georgenz> However the analog5 isnt outputting anything
[14:53:06] <dirty_d> it just didnt know where the actual shared library files were
[14:55:03] <PetefromTn_> what do you have on the analog 5 output for wires?
[14:55:07] <PCW> georgenz: it probably is not enabled, If you created your configuration with pncconf and its not the latest, it has errors in the hal file you must fix
[14:55:47] <georgenz> Ok. It was downloaded maybe 2 weeks ago, so is fairly new
[14:56:11] <georgenz> Was created with pncconfig
[14:57:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9383 Printable Threaded Rod,
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9190 Printable Linear Rail
[14:57:43] <georgenz> How do i check to see if there is errors in the hal. Sorry am new to this game
[14:57:50] <PCW> I would look at pins that control the spindle to trace where the trouble is
[14:57:51] <PCW> using machine --> show hal configuration --> show
[14:57:53] <PCW> in axis
[15:00:17] <georgenz> Im not sure how to do that sry pcw
[15:00:36] <PCW> do you have linuxcnc running?
[15:00:38] <PetefromTn_> machine- show hal config-
[15:01:04] <georgenz> Linuxcnc isnt running
[15:01:24] <PCW> well thats the first step :-)
[15:02:31] <georgenz> Ok.. running
[15:03:17] <georgenz> Ok... in hal config
[15:03:27] <PCW> other way is (with linuxcnc running) type:
[15:03:29] <PCW> halcmd show pin *spin*
[15:03:30] <PCW> and paste the results on a public paste site
[15:04:20] <PCW> (type the command in a terminal window)
[15:06:16] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, heh had to install lib mesa glu dev
[15:06:29] <dirty_d> ok
[15:06:37] <georgenz> If i look at pins in the config and find analog5 it says... hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 <== spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[15:07:36] <PCW> that looks right
[15:07:39] <Cromaglious> it failed on <GL/glu.h>
[15:08:23] <PCW> but what pin drives the signal spindle-vel-cmd-abs?
[15:08:43] <georgenz> I didn the command in terminal window. Has come up with stuff, the pc isnt on the net so cant really paste it anywherr
[15:09:58] <PCW> the data should show the values and you shoud be able find out what wrong from these values
[15:10:05] <Cromaglious> dirty_d,
http://pastebin.com/gR1Wb1iv
[15:10:17] <georgenz> I have 9 float OUT 0 motion.spinfle-speed-out ==> spindle-vel-cm
[15:10:34] <Cromaglious> bbiab --~
[15:10:43] <georgenz> Thats supposed to be cmd not cm
[15:11:54] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, tahts a weird error, what version of gcc do you have?
[15:12:11] <georgenz> Then nxt one dwn is 9 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs ==> spindle-vel-cm
[15:12:27] <_methods> take a pic and post it on imgur
[15:12:41] <_methods> if you can't pastebin
[15:13:01] <PCW> so the hal file is in error
[15:13:29] <PCW> nothing drives the signal spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[15:14:02] <PCW> (that the actual hardware gets the spindle speed from)
[15:14:27] <georgenz> Ok... i have just enabled it in linuxcnc and showpin again
[15:14:44] <georgenz> Ive got...
[15:15:46] <georgenz> 9 float OUT -1 motion.spindle-speed-out ==> spindle-vel-cmd
[15:16:08] <PCW> not used so not relevent
[15:17:07] <georgenz> 9 float OUT 1 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs==> spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs
[15:17:46] <PCW> ok so the signal names dont match
[15:18:26] <georgenz> 9 float OUT -0.0166667 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps==> spindle-vel-cmd-rps
[15:18:43] <PCW> not relevent
[15:18:47] <georgenz> And..
[15:18:59] <PCW> stop
[15:19:00] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, im thinking maybe the version of gcc that was used to compile fltk has a different ABI than the one youre using to compile solvespace?
[15:19:06] <dirty_d> im not sure thats strange
[15:19:50] <georgenz> 9 float OUT 0.01666667 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs ==> spindle-vel-cmd-rps-abs
[15:19:55] <georgenz> Ok....
[15:20:19] <PCW> the error seems to be that spindle-vel-cmd-abs is use one place and spindle-vel-cmd-abs is used in another
[15:20:45] <PCW> sorry spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs vs spindle-vel-cmd-abs
[15:21:07] <georgenz> Ok...
[15:21:13] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, run "strings src/fltk/fltkmain.o | grep Fl_Gl_Window | grep init"
[15:21:33] <PCW> so hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 is not connected to anything
[15:22:21] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, and "strings /usr/lib/libfltk_gl.so | grep Fl_Gl_Window | grep init"
[15:22:30] <dirty_d> or /usr/local/lib or whatever
[15:22:35] <georgenz> Easy fix?
[15:22:53] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/WidFK6Fj
[15:22:56] <PCW> works like this on a net command:
[15:22:57] <PCW> net bluewire hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[15:22:59] <PCW> net bluewire motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[15:23:50] <Tecan> one word 8 syllables
[15:23:55] <PCW> dont get confused by the name of the signal (the first name after net) I can be _anything_
[15:24:00] * Tecan does some random body motions
[15:24:45] <georgenz> So i type those commands in terminal?
[15:25:00] <georgenz> Or in hal cmd or halrun?
[15:25:05] <dirty_d> I think i know what the problem is
[15:25:07] <dirty_d> damn
[15:25:25] <PCW> you need to edit your hal file to fix
[15:26:27] <Cromaglious> brb mail
[15:27:08] <georgenz> How to do?
[15:27:12] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, run this
http://codepad.org/flfNpH1Y
[15:27:17] <dirty_d> inside the src directory
[15:28:33] <dirty_d> i think your fltk was built in a way that it requires linking to the static libraries and/instead of the shared ones
[15:28:35] <dirty_d> or something
[15:28:49] <PetefromTn_> georgenz sorry man I gotta go pickup my wife be back in a bit. I think you are in better hands than I can help you with so good luck.
[15:29:23] <georgenz> Thx pete
[15:29:40] <georgenz> Hopefully when u r back itll b spinning
[15:30:05] <PCW> depending on system you use gedit or mouseoad and edit the hal file ( in ~/linuxcnc/configs/ )
[15:30:13] <PCW> mousepad
[15:32:05] <georgenz> The pncconf file?
[15:32:35] <PCW> no, the hal file
[15:33:47] <georgenz> Is that in root dir?
[15:34:25] <Cromaglious> ran this
http://codepad.org/flfNpH1Y/fork
[15:34:47] <PCW> it loos like you have:
[15:34:49] <PCW> net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[15:34:50] <PCW> net spindle-vel-cmd-abs => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[15:34:52] <PCW> which is like
[15:34:53] <PCW> net redwire <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[15:34:55] <PCW> net bluewire => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[15:34:57] <PCW> so they dont connect
[15:35:57] <georgenz> Ok... i cant find hal file frm mousepad. Linux is new to me
[15:35:58] <Cromaglious> result is
http://pastebin.com/PFHrL7tq
[15:35:59] <georgenz> Sry
[15:36:34] <PCW> the hal file is in your home directory (~) in linuxcnc/configs
[15:36:35] <PCW> beyond that I'm not sure where pncconf puts them or names them
[15:37:45] <anarchos3> does the qtvcp stuff work with linuxcnc, or is that for machinekit only?
[15:37:51] <georgenz> Ok... ill b back in 15 mins n have a look for it. Thx so far n glad u have found my issue
[15:38:34] <PCW> what linuxcnc version is this if its recent this should be fixed
[15:39:45] <Cromaglious> woohoo cord for my skilworm drive finally showed up as well as the live center for the shopsmith lathe
[15:44:52] <Cromaglious> and the USB to ps2 kb/mouse adapter
[15:48:21] <Cromaglious> wooo hooo house is OFICIALLY paid off and the lien is recinded
[15:50:27] <anarchos3> http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/
[15:51:03] <anarchos3> has pcie headers
[15:51:32] <anarchos3> that + a mesa board might be kinda cool.
[15:52:07] <furrywolf> you buy cords? I always just stuff in some soow and put a plug on the end.
[15:53:43] <Cromaglious> only for cutting tools... I want the molded plug on the end and it's 2m long
[15:54:23] <Cromaglious> and its abrasion resistant
[15:54:50] <furrywolf> I'm waiting for a couple things in the mail, but none of them are cords... an LED light bulb, an onboard 5a marine battery charger, a finglonger, and an led filament bulb...
[15:55:06] <furrywolf> oh, and some high-voltage 3-terminal regulators
[15:55:08] <Cromaglious> anything else I hack off a piece of extention cord
[15:55:32] <furrywolf> soow is abrasion resistant. soow is the nick thick rubbery stuff that feels like welding cable.
[15:55:35] <Cromaglious> thosee LED filament bulbs are kewl
[15:55:59] <anarchos3> I'm waiting for my laser tachometer...starting to think it might not arrive before i take off for my extended trip :(
[15:56:02] <furrywolf> extension cord is sjtw, and not nearly as nice.
[15:56:12] <anarchos3> tracking page says it left China, but hasn't hit Canada yet.
[15:56:24] <Cromaglious> those are only 4.99
[15:56:33] <furrywolf> ?
[15:56:53] <Cromaglious> and 3.99 shipping DOH
[15:57:09] <furrywolf> what is?
[15:57:47] <georgenz> Linuxcnc version 2.6.4
[15:58:04] <Cromaglious> led filament bulb
[15:58:23] <Cromaglious> doesn't say if it's dimmable
[15:58:27] <furrywolf> hrmm, the one I got was $8.something on ebay.
[15:58:33] <georgenz> PCW. My linuxCNC version is 2.6.4
[15:59:21] <Cromaglious> it's at 2.6.7 now
[15:59:39] <furrywolf> led bulb was $5, marine charger was $30, finglonger (yes, I know that's not its real name) was $17, led filament bulb $8something...
[16:00:08] <PCW> might upgrade to the latest (2.6.7) to see if that fixed the issue or learn to edit hal files
[16:00:09] <PCW> (you will almost certaily need to do this at some point)
[16:00:23] <PCW> certainly
[16:00:58] <PCW> anarchos3: you could use Ethernet also
[16:01:47] <furrywolf> marine charger will let me fix my air compressor, which will be nice.
[16:02:12] <PCW> (assuming it doesn't use something dorky like a USB-Ethernet chip)
[16:02:27] <georgenz> Ok.. ill download latest version.. I will need to modify HAL at some point i think for doing toolchange stuff etc
[16:03:36] <Deejay> gn8
[16:03:43] <furrywolf> I'll probably need to rtfm on hal to make my spindle encoder work
[16:07:37] <Cromaglious> I now have 3 LPT ports in my linuxcnc machine in the mini-box.com case with atom motherboard. I have a 680GB 2.5 sata drive on order the lpt card and 3.5" will not coexist
[16:08:12] <Cromaglious> a 5mm 2.5 might fit over the top of the card
[16:09:09] <Cromaglious> hmm 4.59mm maybe...
[16:09:33] <furrywolf> grrrr. too many imaginary ratings on chinese led lamps. Wattage: 7Watts Lumens : 1350 Lumens methinks no, especially not from a corncob bulb with no heatsinking...
[16:10:12] <Cromaglious> 1350 lumens at 1mm right in front of the element
[16:10:27] <furrywolf> lumens are a measure of energy, not intensity.
[16:12:14] <furrywolf> I've converted most of my lights to LED... Costco has 3-packs of perfectly nice 60W equivalent bulbs for $10.99. got rid of most of my CFLs.
[16:12:52] <furrywolf> bbl, back to housework
[16:12:58] <georgenz> Looking at download page, download version seems to be 2.6.4 not 2.6.7 how do I download the latest?
[16:15:40] <PCW> apt get upgrade probably
[16:18:17] <georgenz> Where do i find upgrade!
[16:18:20] <georgenz> ?
[16:18:23] <PCW> dont do this often but probably something like
[16:18:24] <PCW> sudo apt-get update
[16:18:26] <PCW> then
[16:18:28] <PCW> sudo apt-get upgrade linuxcnc
[16:18:43] <Cromaglious> georgenz, in ubuntu software center, go to 'edit', software sources
[16:19:03] <Cromaglious> other software tab
[16:19:31] <Cromaglious> click add
[16:19:42] <georgenz> Alriggt... ill have to somehow connect the internet to my machine
[16:20:07] <PCW> yep really akward otherwiise
[16:20:12] <Cromaglious> type in deb
http://linuxcnc.org lucid base 2.6
[16:21:18] <Cromaglious> add again and type 'deb-src
http://linuxcnc.org lucid base 2.6'
[16:22:39] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, my wife works at Ace hardware and she's getting the $6 60w equiv LED bulbs Leit Electric I think
[16:22:59] <Cromaglious> it's one of the higher rated bulbs...
[16:23:11] <georgenz> I'll shoot up the rd n get a wifi stick to put on machine. bbl
[16:23:22] <Cromaglious> CFL are crap! I never liked them
[16:23:31] <jack16> How can I show actual cutting speed in GUI?
[16:24:03] <PCW> You can have axis show the velocity
[16:24:20] <PCW> its a check box in some menu
[16:27:28] <skunkworks> jack16: you have to turn off the offsets... (it is a bug)
[16:32:11] <jack16> skunkworks, thanks.
[16:41:27] <jack16> Is there any way to display speed in halscope? (I'm using software step generation)
[16:41:55] <ssi> just set a channel to the appropriate velocity signal
[16:44:39] <anarchos3> hmm, anyone happen to know if the Mesa cards Tormach sells with their PathPilot upgrade kit are just stock Mesa cards?
[16:44:49] <anarchos3> They're cheaper than buying from Mesa and Mesa is out of stock anyways.
[16:45:08] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you there?
[16:45:25] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, yea im trying to see what caused that
[16:45:52] <Cromaglious> ok I was able to recompile fltk with shared libs have a new error
[16:46:26] <dirty_d> ok can you put it on pastebin?
[16:46:38] <DaViruz> skunkworks: i just realized your nick is probably a reference to lockheed martin
[16:46:52] <DaViruz> any affiliation?
[16:46:59] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/RRY4Scbj
[16:47:45] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, id delete everything and git clone solvespace again to be safe
[16:47:49] <dirty_d> but ill take a look at that
[16:47:59] <Cromaglious> k i'll try that
[16:49:05] <PCW> anarchos3 they are the same cards
[16:49:10] <Cromaglious> ok gitting again
[16:49:40] <PCW> but I dont think they will sell to you unless you own a Tormach mill
[16:51:17] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, can you pastebin the entire output, looks like that might be caused by something else like a header not being found
[16:53:30] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, at the top of fltkmain.cpp add #include <unistd.h>
[16:53:41] <dirty_d> they didnt include the right headers for some stuff
[16:53:46] <Cromaglious> k
[16:55:24] <Cromaglious> configing
[16:56:18] <anarchos3> PCW: their online store doesn't seem to ask any sort of questions about owning a mill...
[16:56:22] <Swapper> are reversing tapping heads used nowadays ?
[16:56:30] <Cromaglious> hmmm libfltk is in /usr/lib hopefully it'll find it
[16:58:08] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src$ ./solvespace
[16:58:08] <Cromaglious> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
[16:58:45] <Cromaglious> dmesg: [170123.380272] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[16:58:45] <Cromaglious> [170123.380282] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[16:59:36] <Cromaglious> starts then stops
[16:59:43] <Cromaglious> it compiled :)
[17:00:28] <dirty_d> i think thats because you linked it against the mesa implementation of opengl, but your system is using the ati one
[17:00:36] <dirty_d> possibly
[17:00:49] <Cromaglious> so I should try opengl opengl?
[17:00:52] <dirty_d> what graphics card do you have?
[17:01:24] <Cromaglious> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[17:01:24] <Cromaglious> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
[17:02:12] <dirty_d> whats glxinfo | grep "vendor" tell you?
[17:02:57] <dirty_d> might be fglrxinfo
[17:03:32] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src$ glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[17:03:33] <Cromaglious> server glx vendor string: SGI
[17:03:33] <Cromaglious> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
[17:03:33] <Cromaglious> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[17:03:45] <dirty_d> hmm, thats confusing
[17:04:03] <dirty_d> pastebin /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[17:04:46] <Cromaglious> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:05:01] <dirty_d> yea
[17:07:09] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/4wz7q8by
[17:11:00] <dirty_d> yea i think you linked against the wrong libgl
[17:11:25] <dirty_d> ubuntu might have a tool or something that manages symlinks to various implementations or something
[17:11:35] <dirty_d> that might be why it wouldnt link in the first place
[17:11:44] <dirty_d> it hasnt been set up yet maybe
[17:12:24] <dirty_d> do you have glxgears installed, or fglrxgears?
[17:12:33] <dirty_d> if so run it and see it both/one works
[17:12:47] <dirty_d> then pastebin the ouput of ldd $(which glxgears)
[17:12:56] <dirty_d> and/or fglrxgears
[17:13:57] <Cromaglious> glxgears
[17:14:19] <Cromaglious> works
[17:14:52] <Cromaglious> 4912 frames in 5sec
[17:15:24] <dirty_d> ok so opengl works
[17:15:35] <dirty_d> but pastebin the ldd thing
[17:15:49] <tjtr33> Cromaglious, where did you get fltk1.3 for ubu 10.04? "checking for FLTK API version 1.3... no"
[17:16:17] <tjtr33> or, is it neccesary
[17:16:54] <Cromaglious> http://www.fltk.org/software.php?VERSION=1.3.3&FILE=fltk/1.3.3/fltk-1.3.3-source.tar.gz
[17:16:58] <tjtr33> thx
[17:19:03] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/MPG40pTw
[17:19:45] <dirty_d> wow, this motor looks a lot smaller in real life
http://i.imgur.com/JQd4qAr.jpg
[17:20:21] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, what about the ldd command
[17:20:30] <dirty_d> ldd $(which glxgears)
[17:20:39] <Cromaglious> oh oops
[17:21:30] <Cromaglious> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x007da000)
[17:21:31] <Cromaglious> libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0x00e7b000)
[17:21:31] <Cromaglious> libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x001c9000)
[17:21:31] <Cromaglious> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0x00ebd000)
[17:21:55] <dirty_d> do the same for the solvespace binary
[17:21:59] <Cromaglious> k
[17:23:16] <Cromaglious> http://pastebin.com/k0YeVzcF
[17:23:30] <Cromaglious> same libGL
[17:23:35] <dirty_d> http://memecrunch.com/meme/31HP1/looks-good-to-me/image.jpg
[17:24:18] <Cromaglious> always love a good beshimee sp?
[17:24:34] <dirty_d> lol
[17:24:52] <dirty_d> so it just crashed?
[17:25:41] <dirty_d> at least you're not alone
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28216
[17:25:57] <Cromaglious> it's more of a controled xexit and it then displays that z_buffer error
[17:26:32] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes$ src/solvespace
[17:26:33] <Cromaglious> drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
[17:27:03] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[17:27:03] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[17:27:03] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes$
[17:30:08] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[17:30:08] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[17:30:08] <Cromaglious> oh what's that cmd to slowpaste output... Hmm I'll have to find the source that's 20 years old..
[17:30:08] <dirty_d> ooo fancy
http://i.imgur.com/oaKJ7cp.jpg
[17:30:13] <Cromaglious> damn I've been using Linux for 20 years!
[17:30:14] <dirty_d> that tiny motors gonna power this
[17:30:51] <Cromaglious> sheeshz... anyone seen pictures of Linus' daughter lately?
[17:31:48] <Cromaglious> HE SPAWNED twice MORE!
[17:32:05] <dirty_d> nope
[17:35:14] <Cromaglious> well he has 3 girls now
[17:37:28] <dirty_d> actually i didnt really know anything about him other than that he wrote linux, and hes kind of a dickhead
[17:37:36] <dirty_d> lol
[17:38:20] <Cromaglious> I like him, he's under incredible pressure at times
[17:38:55] <Cromaglious> on relax days he's great, on disaster days, he is hell on earth until things are working again
[17:39:43] <Cromaglious> I still have a bug licker from the first linux convention in San Jose
[17:40:39] <ssi> oh man I've been using linux for 20 years too
[17:40:46] <ssi> that's depressing :P
[17:40:58] <ssi> I realized earlier today that I've been a dvoraker almost half my life now, too
[17:41:03] <dirty_d> well thats annoying...
http://i.imgur.com/PjHlYH6.jpg
[17:41:11] <Cromaglious> I first got it vi planet connect dish in '95 I believe
[17:41:13] <dirty_d> i was hoping i could just swap the connectors around
[17:41:43] <Connor> Why would you want to swap them around ?
[17:41:47] <dirty_d> why the hell would they put the power supply and motor wires into the same connector but have separate ones for the input signals?
[17:41:50] <Cromaglious> heh
[17:42:10] <dirty_d> the input signals all go to the same place, one cable, the power and motors are separate
[17:42:14] <Cromaglious> time to get connectored pig tails...
[17:42:23] <dirty_d> not my motors have to be physically tied to my power supply wires
[17:42:29] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_11_21_14_02.jpg
[17:42:47] <Connor> That's how mine are done.
[17:42:51] <dirty_d> not that its a big deal, but it seems common sense to make it the other way around right?
[17:43:40] <Connor> Honestly, never thought about it.
[17:43:50] <dirty_d> my old ones were inside a pc
[17:44:02] <dirty_d> then the pc died and the stepper drivers dissapeared somehow
[17:44:14] <Connor> *boggle*
[17:44:21] <dirty_d> yea, me too
[17:45:03] <Connor> That's my controller after I redone it. Still have a tad more work to do on it still.. but.. I got it moving the Z axis with Mesa card a while back (upgrading from pport)
[17:46:28] <dirty_d> i was thinking about making an external controller with something cheaper
[17:46:38] <dirty_d> like one of the $15 stm32 dev boards
[17:46:48] <dirty_d> and connect that to the parallel port
[17:47:06] <Connor> nah. stick with a PC.
[17:47:21] <dirty_d> then at least the signal is somewhat realtime, but the actual stepping is controled by a hardware timer
[17:47:29] <dirty_d> well commands realtime
[17:47:37] <dirty_d> and stepping very exact realtime
[17:47:59] <dirty_d> well it would just be a dumb controller
[17:48:17] <dirty_d> like it would read commands that tell it to step at x frequency for y steps
[17:48:41] <dirty_d> and maybe "if you hit a limit switch stop and report back the position somehow"
[17:49:12] <JT-Shop> dammit I just trashed my burner tube
[17:49:57] <Connor> how?
[17:50:18] <JT-Shop> I enlarged the air input the wrong way
[17:52:52] <JT-Shop> oh well make a new one
[17:54:10] <JT-Shop> the prototype burner in action
http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/Burner%20Test%2003.jpg
[17:54:39] <furrywolf> shint
[17:54:40] <furrywolf> shiny
[17:54:45] <furrywolf> aim a bit more towards the outside
[17:54:50] <PCW> look good
[17:55:06] <Tom_itx> PCW thanks for swapping boards..
[17:55:22] <PCW> NP
[17:56:23] <JT-Shop> there ain't no sights on that burner
[17:56:40] * furrywolf adds a fancy tritium-powered sight to it
[17:57:12] <Tom_itx> PCW and the free sample! just opened the box...
[17:57:19] <dirty_d> what did you make the insulation out of?
[17:57:26] <JT-Shop> the tuyere is cast in stone now lol
[17:57:31] * furrywolf wants to sample a 7i76e
[17:57:51] <Connor> JT-Shop: what is the burner for ?
[17:58:05] * SpeedEvil prefers plutonium powered sights.
[17:58:17] <furrywolf> it looks like we're not having a service yet for my relative, so I don't need to fly to NJ now... which means I'm not completely broke, and might be able to consider playing with my mill again.
[17:58:31] <JT-Shop> that one is for casting aluminum
[17:59:05] <dirty_d> furrywolf, whats the interface to those cards? step at x rate for y steps?
[17:59:11] <JT-Shop> the refractory is only rated to 2400F, the next one will be made from 3000F refractory for brass
[17:59:13] <furrywolf> since he's being cremated, we're going to have a mini family reunion / service combination in the summer, with the urn instead of the body... scheduling it for later lets a lot more of the family attend than a rushed service.
[17:59:21] <furrywolf> dirty_d: dunno, ask pcw. he's the expert. :)
[17:59:52] <ssi> dirty_d: nah they behave more like position mode servos
[17:59:57] <SpeedEvil> In principle - can one sag the edge of a cylindrical alumina crucible to make a lip?
[18:00:06] <SpeedEvil> I'm aware that it would need to be quite hot indeed
[18:00:27] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:06:12] * furrywolf curls up and sighs
[18:16:29] <tjtr33> dirty_d, solvespace built w/o errs, wheres the app? do i need to run ac-aux/install.sh?
[18:16:48] <dirty_d> src/solvespace
[18:17:37] <tjtr33> hah! i swear i didnt see it there works thx!
[18:19:00] <tjtr33> i built fltk 1.3.0 and had to do make clean for a couple mistakes, else not bad
[18:21:35] <tjtr33> oh and lddconfig after building fltk
[18:24:47] <dirty_d> cool
[18:28:55] <zeeshan> bobo_: 8 weeks because theyre gonna wait till they order another bunch of parts and send a bulk order. if i want it in 3 weeks i gotta pay a $200 shipping fee, screw that :)
[18:30:38] <bobo_> no delays due to may day ---may pole delay ?
[18:31:05] <zeeshan> delay cause its coming from hitler
[18:31:10] <zeeshan> jk!
[18:31:13] <zeeshan> i love germany
[18:33:20] <bobo_> you ought to visit germany ---- you would really enjoy it I think
[18:33:59] <zeeshan> i would need a guide
[18:34:09] <zeeshan> that knows cnc machining
[18:34:13] <zeeshan> and takes me everywhere! :P
[18:34:56] <bobo_> they have public trasnportation
[18:35:10] <zeeshan> no
[18:35:13] <zeeshan> autobahn!
[18:35:52] <bobo_> a autobahn tour bus
[18:38:14] <bobo_> just rent a car and place Moose sticker in window
[18:41:53] <zeeshan> theres a black and white criminal on the run
[18:41:55] <zeeshan> in arizona
[18:41:57] <zeeshan> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/26/breaking-two-llamas-are-on-the-run/
[18:42:06] <zeeshan> haha bobo
[18:43:19] <Rab> Are these chinese breakout boards problematic, or worth the money?
http://item.ebay.com/161515609008
[18:43:33] <Rab> I assume it's just level shifters on a board, how bad can it be? (Other than solder bridges etc.)
[18:46:21] <furrywolf> Rab: my first one exploded.
[18:46:29] <XXCoder> heys
[18:47:06] <Rab> That meets my definition of problematic.
[18:47:06] <XXCoder> interview went poretty good, heres hoping
[18:47:06] <zeeshan> XXCoder: for what?
[18:47:29] <Rab> furrywolf, but did it explode because of some intrinsic fault, or due to overvoltage or overcurrent on the breakout side?
[18:47:29] <XXCoder> cnc machinist work
[18:47:36] <zeeshan> nice!
[18:47:44] <XXCoder> yeah shops nice
[18:47:56] <XXCoder> pretty different than place im interning at
[18:47:58] <furrywolf> it exploded due to counterfeit chinese capacitors and/or a failed onboard voltage regulator
[18:47:58] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bbcaps/bbcap02.jpg
[18:48:13] <zeeshan> what a hairy cap
[18:48:29] <XXCoder> its good for you, lots fiber lol
[18:48:34] <zeeshan> haha
[18:48:38] <furrywolf> they're definitely chinese caps, but I can't rule out it exploding due to a failed voltage regulator. when I tested it post-failure, the reg read open. I don't know if it was previously shorted.
[18:48:52] <georgenz> Finally got my machine on the net and did the upgrade, but its still 2.6.4 is there anything else i have to do make it upgrade?
[18:49:06] <zeeshan> georgenz: did you get the spindle working?
[18:49:13] <XXCoder> how much do caps cost? if cheap enough as well as test it again but this time also test for shorts
[18:49:24] <Rab> furrywolf, was that cap on the input or output side?
[18:51:14] <furrywolf> that cap appeared to be on the output of the onboard 10v regulator
[18:51:24] <furrywolf> it did measure 10v when I measured it initially...
[18:51:28] <georgenz> Not yet zeeshan
[18:51:44] <Rab> hmm
[18:51:47] <georgenz> Apparently linuxcnc has a bug and i have an older version
[18:51:49] <furrywolf> so either it decided to short, or the cap just randomly exploded. either is possible.
[18:52:33] <georgenz> Tried to update... it appeared to download and install, however its still the old version when i open it ?
[18:52:44] <Rab> Could be the cap failed short, and killed the regulator in the process. LM317 is supposed to be output-protected, but who knows about the chinese mystery version.
[18:53:10] <bobo_> georgenz: we want to know , are you a North or South islander ? also what is todays temp ?
[18:53:32] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[18:53:46] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I got parts to control and power my walk sign
[18:53:55] <XXCoder> it will arrive in maybe a month
[18:54:09] <furrywolf> Rab: gicen as the caps are counterfeit, it's quite likely every chip on the board is too.
[18:54:25] <furrywolf> ... the parts being a pc power cord with the iec end lopped off and a couple wirenuts?
[18:54:40] <XXCoder> nah that connector strip and 2 way switch
[18:54:53] <XXCoder> nice one too
[18:55:00] <zeeshan> whats the point of running a breakout board
[18:55:04] <zeeshan> when its a cheapo board like that
[18:55:10] <zeeshan> might as well directly wire the signals to your parallel port
[18:55:11] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:55:14] <XXCoder> from billion miles away so gonna wait a bit though :P
[18:55:28] <zeeshan> if you want a decent one
[18:55:30] <zeeshan> probotix rf
[18:55:36] <zeeshan> a bit annoying to work with
[18:55:44] <zeeshan> but doesnt explode and uses real parts
[18:55:55] <furrywolf> zeeshan: among other reasons, it has optoisolated inputs, a relay spindle control, and buffers to drive your stepper drives.
[18:56:01] <zeeshan> and rf isolation, which is ok for the speeds for steppers
[18:56:11] <georgenz> North island here... nice temp today, abt 25C
[18:56:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the whole point of optoisolation is to trust the board
[18:56:35] <zeeshan> to not damage your shit
[18:56:39] <zeeshan> i wouldnt trust that board lol
[18:56:55] <zeeshan> i blew 3 drives
[18:57:04] <zeeshan> and they didnt damage 7i77 luckily
[18:57:08] <zeeshan> so i guess the amc isolation works
[18:57:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan: whats motors status
[18:57:39] <zeeshan> theyve been purring everyday almost now
[18:57:40] <zeeshan> :D
[18:57:56] <XXCoder> so it was fixed?
[18:57:59] <zeeshan> ya
[18:58:06] <XXCoder> nice so what happened
[18:58:18] <zeeshan> pcw's suggestion work
[18:58:21] <zeeshan> different power source
[18:58:33] <XXCoder> so your power source got fried or>
[18:58:50] <zeeshan> no
[18:58:54] <zeeshan> its ac supply
[18:58:59] <zeeshan> two legs of split phase
[18:59:13] <zeeshan> which was causing transient overvoltage to blow up the amc drives
[18:59:26] <Rab> zeeshan, pretty much everybody you asked told you to try running everything off L1. :P
[18:59:36] <zeeshan> rab
[18:59:45] <zeeshan> i still have other things running off l2
[18:59:47] <zeeshan> like vfd
[18:59:57] <zeeshan> but they probably have better components in them
[19:00:02] * furrywolf thinks that zeeshan either has a bad neutral or those drives are utter shit
[19:00:07] <zeeshan> that can handle a 240vac transient spike
[19:00:14] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no.
[19:00:18] <furrywolf> yes
[19:00:19] <zeeshan> that woulda blown vfd on l2 too
[19:00:51] <furrywolf> transients are a normal part of life for mains-connected equipment. if that is what was blowing it, either the drives are crap, or your transients are much larger than normal.
[19:00:53] <bobo_> Oh this is going to end up a very ugly question of ----explain why in math terms
[19:01:28] <PetefromTn_> damn I ate too much heh
[19:01:38] <zeeshan> lets not discuss this anymore
[19:01:41] <zeeshan> that was a dark part of my life
[19:01:42] <zeeshan> :-)
[19:01:57] <Rab> zeeshan, I'm glad it's resolved!
[19:02:05] <zeeshan> yessir
[19:02:49] <bobo_> Pete it is 25C in NZ north island today !
[19:03:10] <PetefromTn_> I know that bastard is enjoying the kinda weather I need to be enjoying right...
[19:03:21] <PetefromTn_> some guys have all the luck hehe
[19:03:41] <PetefromTn_> he has told me about the paradise he lives in on a couple occasions
[19:03:48] <zeeshan> who
[19:03:54] <XXCoder> just get bulldozer on your truck and drive south till people dont know what it is
[19:04:06] <Rab> I went to Christchurch twice for work, once in the summer and once in the winter...winter was not pleasant.
[19:04:10] <XXCoder> then you find new home nearby
[19:04:10] <PetefromTn_> our friend in NZ
[19:04:15] <zeeshan> oh
[19:04:44] <Rab> Made sense why people were scarfing down fish'n'chips. I scarfed too.
[19:04:52] <PetefromTn_> I have been helping him get his Cincinatti Arrow 500 working the same setup my machine has so we are in contact via viber pretty often
[19:04:57] <skunkworks> zlog
[19:05:33] <zeeshan> i want to move to the maldives
[19:05:39] <zeeshan> but im afraid the mikron will sink the island
[19:05:44] <zeeshan> :-)
[19:05:47] <furrywolf> bbl, harbor fright stop, then off to work.
[19:05:53] <bobo_> Pete so why not get the flock and head for the South islant
[19:05:58] <PetefromTn_> he did tell me how he rented a catamaran Sailboat and went to the a tropical area only to wind up in a hurricane LOL
[19:06:14] <PetefromTn_> bobo Buy my house and you will see it happen LOL
[19:06:46] <georgenz> Im not really enjoyin the lovely weather outside... stuck in workshop tryin to figure what i am doing wrong
[19:07:07] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks..
[19:07:11] <PetefromTn_> is there good surf there?
[19:07:47] <georgenz> Yup... good surf
[19:08:05] <PetefromTn_> I understand windsurfing is big over there is that accurate?
[19:08:29] <bobo_> georgenz: ask andypugh
[19:08:29] <georgenz> Can anyone help me in upgrading my linuxcnc?
[19:08:47] <zeeshan> its really easy
[19:08:49] <PetefromTn_> whats wrong with your linuxCNC? I am running master
[19:08:56] <zeeshan> just go to sympatic package manager
[19:09:00] <zeeshan> and find linuxcnc
[19:09:01] <zeeshan> and install it
[19:09:23] <georgenz> Lots of watersports r big over here, we have a pretty big coastline for small population
[19:09:51] <zeeshan> do you know gary the goat?
[19:09:54] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan at the risk of sounding like I am bashing here, consider georgenz like me in that we don't know much about linuxCNC :D
[19:10:20] <zeeshan> :]
[19:10:23] <georgenz> Yes, I know garry
[19:10:28] <zeeshan> hes AWESOME
[19:10:29] <PetefromTn_> georgenz what makes you think you need a different version
[19:10:30] <zeeshan> i want to meet that goat
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> i think hes one island over
[19:11:09] <georgenz> PCW said the version i have is old and has a bug
[19:11:38] <PetefromTn_> okay well if PCW said it then it is true hehe
[19:11:42] <andypugh> sounds like a fair reason
[19:12:01] <andypugh> What version do you have?
[19:12:01] <PetefromTn_> hey andy
[19:12:21] <andypugh> I appear to have spent two days away from home but logged in to IRC
[19:12:22] <bobo_> georgenz: when they ask for stuff to be "pasted" , try pastbin.com
[19:12:40] <skunkworks> DaViruz: no.. I owned a dodge stealth a long time ago... well - I guess sort of I guess - stealth -> skunkworks..
[19:12:44] <PetefromTn_> I don't think he has net access on the pC
[19:13:56] <zeeshan> why do people say
[19:14:04] <zeeshan> you should use hss to get better surface finish on aluminum
[19:14:12] <zeeshan> i asked this to my prof
[19:14:15] <zeeshan> and he said thats not correct
[19:15:29] <zeeshan> from the mechanics point of view, the sticking / sliding region still exists with aluminum
[19:15:35] <zeeshan> so i dont see why a coating is a bad idea?
[19:15:39] <zeeshan> especially for the sticking region
[19:15:44] <PCW> Well pncconf in 2.6.4 clearly has a bug. may still be there in 2.6.7
[19:15:47] <XXCoder> http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-motion-stabilized/ fun site
[19:15:58] <bobo_> for us cheep people ---HSS can be polished better/cheaper
[19:15:59] <zeeshan> pcw
[19:16:11] <zeeshan> do you have have to have analogena 1
[19:16:24] <zeeshan> to register a voltage output on analog5 if you set it to 2v
[19:16:37] <zeeshan> i was trying to get georgenz to set analogout5 to 2
[19:16:41] <zeeshan> to see if its outputting anything, and it wasnt
[19:16:49] <zeeshan> but analogena was 0
[19:16:56] <PCW> no analog 5 is independent
[19:17:00] <zeeshan> hm
[19:17:26] <zeeshan> well something was wrong cause he set it to 2 for analog0
[19:17:32] <georgenz> Zeeshan... apparently... the coating can slightly blunten the edge
[19:17:40] <zeeshan> and there was still no voltage, but the x-axis works
[19:18:12] <Rab> I'll bet coated vs not strongly depends on whether you're trying to mill without coolant.
[19:18:15] <zeeshan> georgenz: are you talking about BUE ?
[19:18:16] <georgenz> Im not sure this the case, just what i have heard
[19:18:19] <zeeshan> rab
[19:18:23] <zeeshan> coolant doesnt lubricate in the sticking region
[19:18:29] <zeeshan> only thing that effects lubrication is a coating
[19:18:31] <zeeshan> in that region
[19:18:42] <Rab> hmm
[19:18:47] <georgenz> Is PCW still on?
[19:18:48] <PCW> 2 woudl probably be below the threshold of readbility
[19:19:02] <zeeshan> PCW: you wouldnt read 2V on the multimeter?
[19:19:04] <georgenz> There he is
[19:19:28] <PCW> nope you woudl read 2/mumble.scalemax
[19:19:33] <zeeshan> AH
[19:19:33] <zeeshan> hahaha
[19:19:36] <zeeshan> thats what was up.
[19:19:43] <georgenz> PCW... i managed to upgrade to 2.6.7 but still no luck with analog5
[19:19:57] <PCW> so you need to fix your hal file
[19:20:43] <PCW> mumble.scalemax is normally set to max spindle RPM
[19:20:53] <PetefromTn_> can you post your .hal file so people can look at it. Not the one I sent you but the current one...
[19:21:15] <zeeshan> PCW: i was trying to get him to do this:
[19:21:30] <bobo_> pastebin.com
[19:22:01] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/BMguqfU5
[19:22:09] <georgenz> Hold on... ill try download irc for linux n chat on there rather than my phone
[19:22:11] <zeeshan> i was thinking that should output 2v
[19:22:14] <zeeshan> but it didnt
[19:22:39] <zeeshan> (all this in halrun)
[19:22:56] <zeeshan> so i dont know what the scalemax is set to
[19:22:59] <zeeshan> as default
[19:23:59] <georgenz> Anyone have a preferred irc application for linux?
[19:24:03] <zeeshan> i use xchat
[19:24:14] <XXCoder> hexchat here
[19:24:18] <XXCoder> fork of xchat
[19:24:29] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whats diff in it?
[19:24:38] <XXCoder> more current I guess
[19:24:46] <XXCoder> active dev
[19:25:05] <zeeshan> ah
[19:26:41] <PCW> I already found his hal file error (mismatched signal names)
[19:26:57] <zeeshan> ah
[19:27:28] <Rab> georgenz, irssi
[19:32:21] <_methods> irssi
[19:32:33] <_methods> quassel is nice too
[19:33:03] <PetefromTn_> I use Icechat but not sure if it works on linuxCNC or not..
[19:33:27] <dirty_d> any tips on removing a set screw that seems to be put in place with locktite? cant use heat because its a motor bell with magnets
[19:33:36] <dirty_d> will something dissolve it?
[19:33:40] <XXCoder> gonna love curing temp
[19:33:53] <XXCoder> what is bell curie temp
[19:34:01] <XXCoder> maybe you can heat it but stay below
[19:34:28] <dirty_d> theyre neodymium, so pretty low
[19:34:32] <georgenz> hey guys, on my machine now
[19:34:42] <zeeshan> dirty_d: cant it see 260C?
[19:34:42] <PetefromTn_> \o/
[19:35:07] <PCW> Dont think so, most rare earth magnets have a very low Curie temperture
[19:35:24] <PetefromTn_> maybe some actone?
[19:35:26] <zeeshan> i had plastic seals near a shaft
[19:35:40] <georgenz> PCW - can I please send you my HAL file?
[19:35:41] <zeeshan> i blew compressed air at it
[19:36:00] <zeeshan> while heating the area of interest with a focused flame
[19:36:30] <PCW> can you post it?
[19:36:33] <dirty_d> i gotta look up the type of magnets
[19:36:47] <georgenz> where do I post it to?
[19:37:04] <zeeshan> http://www.edshouseofgems.com/the%20Little%20Torch.jpg
[19:37:13] <bobo_> georgenz pastbin.com
[19:37:34] <XXCoder> dirty_d: opposite way would be chill bolt with dry ice
[19:38:03] <dirty_d> the exact type of magnet isnt specified
[19:38:03] <XXCoder> er *set screw
[19:38:11] <zeeshan> pete's suggestion wiill work too
[19:38:12] <zeeshan> :D
[19:38:26] <dirty_d> hmmm
[19:38:56] <dirty_d> stealing my gf's
[19:39:00] <zeeshan> if you go wit hthe heat method
[19:39:06] <dirty_d> non-acetone nail polish remover, lol
[19:39:07] <zeeshan> just keep an ir temp on the magnet
[19:39:13] <dirty_d> but maybe it will work
[19:40:09] <Rab> dirty_d, how do you change numeric parameters in solvespace? I'm not sure if it's not working, or if I haven't figured it out.
[19:40:33] <PetefromTn_> wtf is solvespace?
[19:40:39] <Rab> Seems like according to the manual, you can double-click on a number in the text window and modify. But nothing happens.
[19:40:58] <dirty_d> Rab, yea taht works for me
[19:41:22] <dirty_d> oh, you might have an older version with a minor bug, the edit text window opens in the wrong place
[19:41:29] <dirty_d> look towards the top left of your monitor
[19:41:33] <dirty_d> its small
[19:41:40] <georgenz> I've signed upto pastebin, but now have to find my HAL file - i cannot seem to locate it - any clues?
[19:42:02] <Rab> dirty_d, nothing there...wonder if it's incompatible with my WM. What is your desktop environment?
[19:42:39] <dirty_d> ldxe
[19:42:44] <dirty_d> shouldnt matter though
[19:43:03] <XXCoder> heh gonna love ego trip ops
[19:43:05] <dirty_d> when you double click it are you no longer able to rotate the view?
[19:43:18] <XXCoder> one op banned me because guy could not handle being ignored
[19:43:25] <Rab> No change to UI, it's like nothing happened.
[19:43:30] <XXCoder> epic| in ##cars
[19:43:57] <tjtr33> solvespace cad on ubu 10.04 with fltk 1.3.0, build from src ok, run ok so far.
http://ibin.co/1t2j3jkiyLwb
[19:44:13] <dirty_d> hmm, i wonder if its looking somewhere else for the mouse click, try double clicking around it
[19:44:15] <tjtr33> i dont get the hidden lines tho ( cant hide em )
[19:45:08] <dirty_d> theres some setting i think
[19:45:15] <dirty_d> not sure where it is though
[19:45:17] <PetefromTn_> georgenz what operating system are you using that might help people guide you to the files.
[19:45:33] <georgenz> I think i have found it in the home folder
[19:45:41] <georgenz> its debian linux
[19:46:04] <PetefromTn_> ok
[19:46:22] <PCW> georgenz: when you start pncconf it has a default directory and name for the hal and ini files
[19:46:23] <PCW> default is
[19:46:25] <PCW> linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_Machine/my_LinuxCNC_Machine.ini
[19:46:47] <PCW> (if you dont change these to something more sensible)
[19:48:32] <dirty_d> hex key looks like twisted wrought iron now
[19:48:55] <dirty_d> impressed with the strength of the 1.5mm set screw though
[19:50:06] <bobo_> glad hex key didn't snap
[19:50:37] <Rab> Doesn't work in blackbox or fvwm2 either...maybe it's my version of some library.
[19:50:42] <georgenz> try this?
http://pastebin.com/jf7xvJq0
[19:53:35] <XXCoder> pretty awesome
http://boingboing.net/2014/06/10/vermeers-paintings-might-be.html
[19:54:38] <XXCoder> its about painting but has machines, cncs so on
[19:55:03] <dirty_d> hmm, i have an idea. Im going to heat the set screw with my soldering iron and the small tip
[19:55:10] <dirty_d> and just not let the magnets get hot
[19:55:27] <XXCoder> wouldnt it mean screw expands and tighten
[19:55:32] <XXCoder> wouldnt dry ice be better
[19:55:58] <dirty_d> dont have access to try ice
[19:56:01] <dirty_d> and its only a $10 motor
[19:56:08] <Computer_Barf1> what kind of cam do you guys use?
[19:57:05] <Rab> Heating might loosen the locktite, even if the screw expands.
[19:57:13] <XXCoder> rab there is that
[19:57:20] <XXCoder> can do cycles
[19:57:33] <Rab> And if the screw expands and contracts, that can only help things.
[19:57:34] <XXCoder> warm up, wait, try loosen
[20:01:00] <PCW> (221) net spindle-vel-cmd-abs => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[20:01:02] <PCW> (230) net spindle-vel-cmd-rpm-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[20:01:04] <PCW> error is just what I said, mis-matched signal names
[20:01:20] <PCW> broken hal wire
[20:01:53] <Rab> Haha, running solvespace 2.0 for Windows in an XP VM and editing isn't working there either. There must be something I just don't get.
[20:02:51] <dirty_d> hmm, thats weird
[20:03:00] <dirty_d> youre talking about the length constraint?
[20:03:03] <georgenz> should i just create a completely new PNC config?
[20:03:25] <XXCoder> solvespace create models but do it also export pathfiles?
[20:04:25] <Rab> dirty_d, I just want to edit coordinate parameters. Like I click on a point, and text box says: POINT at (-0.815, 0.906, 0.000)...how do I edit those parameters?
[20:04:28] <dirty_d> it said it outputs gcode, havent tried yet though
[20:04:34] <dirty_d> ohhh
[20:04:35] <XXCoder> not bad
[20:04:40] <dirty_d> no you cant edit that
[20:04:50] <dirty_d> not that i know of
[20:04:51] <XXCoder> why?
[20:05:07] <dirty_d> its done some other way i think
[20:05:23] <Rab> So if I have a box, and I want it to be exactly 2x2", how do I define that?
[20:05:35] <XXCoder> resize it to correct I guess
[20:05:37] <dirty_d> the length constraint
[20:06:45] <dirty_d> hah! the soldering iron did it
[20:06:54] <Rab> ahhhhhh
[20:07:02] <XXCoder> dirty_d: way to go!
[20:07:15] <dirty_d> i can tell it has expanded though it broke free and was still squeeking after that
[20:07:20] <dirty_d> gonna let it cool
[20:07:24] <georgenz> PCW, are you please able to tell me what 221 and 230 need to be modified to for it to work? I'll try do it on mousepad.
[20:07:36] <Rab> dirty_d, figured it out. Thanks for your help.
[20:07:54] <dirty_d> no problem
[20:10:27] <XXCoder> dirty_d: soldering is nice idea, very local heat
[20:11:02] <PCW> georgenz: new config will have the same error
[20:11:03] <PCW> you need to make the signal names the same:
[20:11:05] <PCW> either remove -rpm from 230 or add it to 221
[20:11:31] <dirty_d> just didnt get hotter than i could hold where the magnets are
[20:12:08] <dirty_d> crap, i think the shaft is press fit in, lol
[20:12:59] <PCW> or change to:
[20:13:01] <PCW> net my-funky-funky-signal => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[20:13:02] <PCW> net my-funky-funky-signal <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[20:13:04] <PCW> that will work just as well
[20:13:26] <PCW> Dinner!
[20:13:28] <PCW> bbl
[20:14:48] <XXCoder> I cant delete object in solvespace
[20:14:56] <georgenz> thx PCW - it works!!
[20:16:13] <georgenz> really appreciate yr time and patience
[20:18:03] <dirty_d> hopefully this works
http://imgur.com/YhTuV8J.jpg
[20:24:23] <dirty_d> http://www.cctvforum.com/images/imported/2014/03/242949_1.jpg
[20:26:08] <Rab> dirty_d, what are you doing to that poor motor?
[20:26:30] <dirty_d> making a little gear reducer thing to drive an 18" prop
[20:26:41] <Rab> cool
[20:27:23] <dirty_d> usually you need like a 250g motor to drive one that big, but this 50g one has enough power, just not the right speed/torque characteristic
[20:27:35] <Rab> O dear, TTF text entry segfaults.
[20:27:55] <dirty_d> whats that?
[20:28:37] <Rab> Sketch curves from text in a TrueType font (T)
[20:30:51] <dirty_d> this is the idea,
http://imgur.com/qUxjk6W.jpg
[20:30:54] <dirty_d> ahh
[20:31:06] <dirty_d> i havent tried it, but it should be easy to figure out why it segfaults
[20:31:20] <Rab> I hit T, it says 'click top left of text', I click in work area, it very briefly flashes 'click to place bottom left of text' and crashes.
[20:31:44] <dirty_d> ill run it in gdb and see what happens
[20:32:05] <tjtr33> AH! in solvespace get a dimension on the item you want to change, dbl clk the dimension text. a dlog appears and you CAN chg it :)
[20:32:19] <tjtr33> veryy intuitive, but it IS in the manual's examples
[20:32:54] <dirty_d> that stupid window that pops up was the biggest problem getting it to work on linux
[20:33:29] <dirty_d> it was originally rediculously coded to hijack the main opengl window and draw an edit box as a 2D texture
[20:33:55] <Rab> Yeah, that's one of the few visible differences I saw in Windows.
[20:38:23] <renesis> tjtr33: sounds like solidworks
[20:38:42] <renesis> honestly i have no clue what my design workflow was when i used autocad
[20:38:59] <renesis> like, i guess i did a lot of math or something
[20:43:24] <dirty_d> hmm, i think i can get away with letting this motor hold itself together with the magnets
[20:45:17] <dirty_d> hmm, these motors actually look like theyd be pretty easy to make asside from the laminations
[20:52:09] <tjtr33> solvespace: you must have the feature 'active' to get the dimension, else you cant chg the dimension.
[20:52:18] <tjtr33> If you follow the tutor, you get a long list of autogenerated feature names. and selecting one does not hilite anything.
[20:52:19] <tjtr33> SO immediately edit the name of each feature as you create it, else the list is rubbish
[20:53:21] <tjtr33> 'active' is a checkbutton in the feature list
[20:53:59] <dirty_d> i dont think ive tried any of that yet
[20:54:28] <tjtr33> lots to learn in any cad system
[20:54:28] <dirty_d> should be easy to change stuff though, the code is pretty simple and well written
[20:54:43] <tjtr33> is fltk using opengl?
[20:54:53] <dirty_d> yea
[20:55:13] <tjtr33> urph the evilgl inside
[20:55:32] <tjtr33> thx for the help, gotta rest mah brainz
[20:55:48] <dirty_d> no problem
[21:04:26] <tjtr33> XXCoder, delete in in the text window dialog, it says (rename/del) those words are actually buttons that act on the chosen ( red) feature
[21:08:59] <dirty_d> do you have an edit control in the smaller window when you edit stuff?
[21:09:03] <dirty_d> i cant see it
[21:09:12] <dirty_d> but i can type and it gets it
[21:12:16] <dirty_d> ahh, i see how to fix it
[21:12:31] <Computer_Barf1> do any of you use a CAM that supports 5th axis?
[21:24:43] <XXCoder> tjtr33: thanks
[21:25:38] <XXCoder> gonna do tut
[21:25:43] <XXCoder> http://solvespace.com/tutorial.pl
[21:26:29] <XXCoder> damn
[21:26:32] <XXCoder> it is nice
[21:26:43] <XXCoder> just learning curve like a cliff at beginning
[21:29:15] <tjtr33> XXCoder, in the text window, there is 'home' at top left. its a button, and easy way to get back 1 step.
[21:29:22] <tjtr33> also in same window
[21:29:34] <XXCoder> yeah gonna o tutials first though
[21:29:38] <XXCoder> get some skills
[21:30:44] <tjtr33> in same window is 'line style/view/configuration' click on cong=figuration and scroll down to see soem stuff about gcode ( mya not be implemented i dunno )
[21:31:18] <tjtr33> yeah i'm only in 1st tutor now, i finished it, but still understanding what happened ;)
[21:32:08] <tjtr33> i wrote him a short thx, and he replied right away
[21:32:51] <XXCoder> its a start
[21:33:02] <XXCoder> if it gets going it will become popular and get more devs
[21:35:09] <XXCoder> how long has solvespace been around
[21:36:18] <XXCoder> 2008 is my guess
[21:36:25] <tjtr33> i found i had created a few extra features by accident , revealed when i went back and labled every item. now cleaner
http://ibin.co/1t3H1xZftEbU
[21:37:21] <XXCoder> cool
[21:37:24] <tjtr33> the accidental extra items confuse the heck out of you when you try to dimension stuff
[21:37:28] <XXCoder> im now at basic L shape
[21:38:23] <Cromaglious> my wife dragged me off I'm back
[21:39:28] <XXCoder> constrant is nice
[21:41:42] <tjtr33> nolw that i have the features labled, making things to size is easy. select feature,select dimension, dbl clk on existing dim, edit new
http://ibin.co/1t3IZUyWNKrN
[21:41:56] <dirty_d> i just fixed the edit control for the smaller window and pushed it to solvespace-linux-fixes
[21:42:10] <dirty_d> i didnt even notice that wasnt working, i dont think ive ever tried to change anything in there
[21:42:29] <XXCoder> tjtr33: how do I constrant endpoints to be same size
[21:42:32] <XXCoder> it errors out
[21:42:50] <tjtr33> points have no size, what do you mean
[21:43:14] <dirty_d> does the horizontal and vertical distance work for you?
[21:43:21] <tjtr33> yah
[21:43:22] <XXCoder> no, the thickness for legs
[21:43:46] <dirty_d> nevermind
[21:43:50] <dirty_d> it doesnt exist
[21:43:59] <dirty_d> theres only one distance constraint
[21:44:22] <XXCoder> "And constrain the two short endcaps to have equal length"
[21:44:28] <tjtr33> ok, thickenss: see last sreenshot i posted
[21:44:34] <dirty_d> i guess you just use construction geometry if you need to do that
[21:44:48] <tjtr33> ^^ to dimension the angle plate thickness
[21:45:23] <dirty_d> just click on two lines, then the equal constraint
[21:45:51] <XXCoder> "Select the two short line segments"
[21:46:05] <XXCoder> which lines is that? thought it was short ones at ends
[21:46:38] <dirty_d> i feel like freecad should ditch opencascade and worth this in instead
[21:48:00] <tjtr33> well i followed APT360 then Gcad3D, then HeeksCad, then Freecad now this. they are ALL good. but its a brand new wheel invented every few years.
[21:48:03] <georgenz> hey guys, back again - the vfd is working (sorta) if I click cw or ccw in the gui it puts out 1.02V and runs, however, if I press the + or - button just under spindle control it shuts down, the analog out then reads -9.9V
[21:48:57] <furrywolf> it doesn't like you, obviously.
[21:49:20] <georgenz> if I do an M3 S2000 command, it again goes to -9-9V
[21:49:30] <georgenz> -9.9V
[21:50:08] <XXCoder> "bad selction for distance / diameter constraint" this const can apply to 2 point, line seg, so on and on
[21:50:12] <XXCoder> 7 lines
[21:51:19] <tjtr33> i got that a lot at first. are you trying to set a size to an element?
[21:51:33] <XXCoder> starting again a little lets see if I screwed something up
[21:52:07] <XXCoder> I missed one horzional probably why. still going
[21:52:30] <Cromaglious> carp.. I only had 500 lines of scrollback
[21:52:44] <tjtr33> georgenz, sorry i dont know why you get that. is it a hal comp that outputs the voltage?
[21:52:55] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you remember the last thing you told me?
[21:53:02] <tjtr33> Cromaglious, use one of the web logs like MHA's
[21:53:03] <georgenz> I guess it is, just looking at HAL file right now
[21:53:17] <Cromaglious> tjb11, URL?
[21:53:27] <Cromaglious> or close
[21:53:46] <tjtr33> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/index-2015.html
[21:53:56] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, no
[21:54:57] <XXCoder> error
[21:54:58] <XXCoder> dammit
[21:55:22] <tjtr33> are you trying to build solvespace? i had luck with fltk 1.3.0 then running ldconfig, then make clean, then dirty_d 's litany of ./autogen ./configure make (maybe make install )
[21:55:29] <dirty_d> tjtr33, freecad isnt what id really call usable
[21:55:37] <XXCoder> im only missing 2 same length symbol
[21:55:38] <tjtr33> right arm
[21:55:44] <dirty_d> the most important part is broken
[21:55:45] <XXCoder> tjtr33: im not sure whats going on
[21:55:56] <tjtr33> picture?
[21:56:01] <XXCoder> tjtr33: sec
[21:57:39] <Cromaglious> I have a
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Axis-MACH3-Interface-Board-CNC-With-Optocoupler-Adapter-Stepper-Motor-Driver-/121461115214
[21:58:49] <XXCoder> tjtr33:
http://picpaste.com/error-1yIS87sM.png and
http://picpaste.com/error2-pXUf0SmQ.png
[21:59:20] <Cromaglious> [171819.019134] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[21:59:21] <Cromaglious> [171819.019145] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[21:59:38] <Cromaglious> these are my current errors on solvespace
[21:59:49] <dirty_d> XXCoder, youre using the wrong constraint
[21:59:58] <XXCoder> oh which should I use
[22:00:00] <dirty_d> click the icon thats a triangle
[22:00:05] <XXCoder> looking
[22:00:14] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: sounds like it's sending crap to opengl...
[22:00:18] <dirty_d> thats the equal constraint for length/radius
[22:00:34] <dirty_d> XXCoder, then use the length constraint on either of the lines
[22:00:37] <dirty_d> but not both
[22:01:12] <dirty_d> that way they both stay the same length, but you only have to change it one place if you want to
[22:01:47] <Cromaglious> glxgear works, solvespace is using the same libs as glxgears
[22:01:47] <XXCoder> so just select one end?
[22:02:15] <dirty_d> yea one of the lines at the end
[22:02:20] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: yes, glxgears is generally not buggy. :)
[22:02:24] <dirty_d> one of the two selected in the picture
[22:02:24] <XXCoder> error if only one line selected
[22:02:47] <dirty_d> XXCoder, no do select two for the equal constraint
[22:02:52] <dirty_d> but one for length
[22:03:24] <XXCoder> so I select both ends, click tringle constrant
[22:03:38] <XXCoder> then select one end and do what
[22:03:38] <dirty_d> if by ends you mean two lines, yea
[22:03:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:03:42] <Cromaglious> hmm get a logtech unifying dongle for $9 or a dongle and a mouse for 50 cents more...
[22:03:54] <dirty_d> then select one end and click the 2.54 icon
[22:04:00] <dirty_d> thats the length constraint button
[22:04:24] <XXCoder> dirty_d: that locked size to 16.93?
[22:04:29] <Cromaglious> ok I'm rebooting for giggles and grins..
[22:04:37] <Cromaglious> bbiaw
[22:04:39] <georgenz> pcw - have issues with the analog out again - it is putting out 1V when CW or CCW is pressed, however when I press the spindle + or - button, the voltage jumps to -9.9V
[22:04:41] <dirty_d> XXCoder, yea it will lock it to whatever you want it to be
[22:04:49] <dirty_d> its locking both lines to that size
[22:04:55] <georgenz> this is the same whether I use analog5 or analog4
[22:05:20] <XXCoder> interesting but right now ill leave it unlocked size
[22:05:50] <dirty_d> yea so now you drag the end of one line around, the other should change length with it
[22:05:59] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:06:07] <georgenz> and the same if I run an m3 s500 type command
[22:06:37] <tjtr33> XXCoder, you dbl clk on the size number and get an editable dialog to chg it
[22:06:41] <XXCoder> tagent arc nice
[22:07:00] <XXCoder> tjtr33: cool but yeah tut dont do it so I dont. for now.
[22:07:04] <PetefromTn_> might be a scaling problem
[22:07:27] <georgenz> i was thinkin that, where is the scale set?
[22:08:14] <georgenz> the limits of the scale are set from 0 to 9.8V
[22:08:46] <XXCoder> lol when I screw i up completely screen turns red
[22:08:50] <XXCoder> good thing has undo
[22:09:19] <dirty_d> any of you figure out how to make it not draw back faces red and not be transparent?
[22:09:20] <pcw_home> limits should be -RPM to +RPM, scale should be +RPM
[22:09:53] <tjtr33> dirty_d, no, would be nice to get that workin
[22:10:25] <dirty_d> tjtr33, i saw where its decided in the code, but i see no option in the gui
[22:10:35] <renesis> georgenz: awesome, sounds like progress
[22:10:38] <dirty_d> havent really looked into it though
[22:12:40] <Rab> dirty_d, down in the config screen.
[22:13:11] <Cromaglious> [ 243.988762] [drm:r100_cs_track_check] *ERROR* [drm] No buffer for z buffer !
[22:13:11] <Cromaglious> [ 243.988774] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream !
[22:13:53] <Rab> Way down at the bottom, "draw triangle back faces in red".
[22:13:58] <Cromaglious> guess I'm gonna be compiling new radon drivers
[22:14:01] <tjtr33> dirty_d, haha bg pix
http://ibin.co/1t3Sc3rr2z75
[22:14:04] <Rab> I don't know about transparency.
[22:14:16] <dirty_d> ahh nice! thanks
[22:14:42] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: I doubt it's the driver.
[22:15:25] <furrywolf> although you might want to make sure you have any appropriate firmware packages installed.
[22:15:38] <dirty_d> haha, didnt know you can set the bg
[22:15:38] <tjtr33> Rab, cool, no more monkey butt red rear
[22:15:39] <furrywolf> then again, I take back what I said. the radeon driver is shit. it could well be the driver...
[22:16:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think its trying to use opengl features that arent available with your gl lib
[22:16:15] <dirty_d> dont you have really old versions?
[22:17:34] <XXCoder> damn
[22:17:37] <XXCoder> its cool
[22:17:45] <XXCoder> and whoever did tutorial kick ass
[22:17:45] <tjtr33> i used fltk 1.3.0 cuz it asked for 1.3
[22:18:08] <Cromaglious> hmm checking
[22:18:28] <Cromaglious> tjb11, as did I, 1.3.3 actually
[22:18:42] <dirty_d> glxinfo tell you a lot about the capabilities
[22:18:53] <tjtr33> right, not same as what worked for me
[22:19:04] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone. good evening
[22:19:21] <tjtr33> i dunno who tjb11 is anyway
[22:19:37] <XXCoder> "thickness of line"
[22:19:39] <XXCoder> err
[22:19:43] <XXCoder> "thickness of angle"
[22:19:45] <XXCoder> whats it
[22:19:47] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, did you get those edm urls?
[22:19:51] <James628> pcw_home: Do you know when 7i90HD cards will be back in the store?
[22:20:09] <XXCoder> ohh
[22:20:20] <Cromaglious> server glx version string: 1.2 client glx version string: 1.4 GLX version: 1.2 OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1
[22:20:23] <MacGalempsy> sure did, but it got pretty cold last night, so there was a retreat to the gameroom
[22:20:31] <tjtr33> np
[22:20:43] <tjtr33> gnite all, thx all
[22:21:26] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, seems old, i have mesa-libgl 10.4.5
[22:21:32] <tjb11> tjb11 is awesome
[22:21:33] <MacGalempsy> just got a Vonage account setup. now my clients will think we live in the middle of Houston, but quietly we live in the Ozarks!
[22:21:34] <tjb11> that's who.
[22:22:09] <Cromaglious> ok time to find a newer one
[22:22:14] <dirty_d> and opengl 3.3
[22:22:31] <dirty_d> your cards not that old to only support opengl 1.5
[22:22:57] <XXCoder> dirty_d: tut shows blue part but mines all gray how do I change color?
[22:23:30] <dirty_d> down in configuration in the small window probably
[22:24:38] <furrywolf> is accelerated 3d graphics a requirement for running this program? because I'm not even going to try downloading it if it is...
[22:25:12] <PetefromTn_> this is the first I have seen of the Solvespace program. Have not looked at it yet other than a quick youtube video or two. Any comments on what it does better if anything than Freecad?
[22:25:39] <furrywolf> if it runs for more than five minutes without screwing up, it's doing something better than freecad. :)
[22:26:19] <XXCoder> furrywolf: indeed!
[22:26:26] <XXCoder> I made complex 3d part and no crashy
[22:26:32] <Rab> XXCoder, click on the group-name -> color -> [change]
[22:26:36] <PetefromTn_> I don't really have that problem with freecad
[22:26:39] <XXCoder> freecad crash whe bI look at it funny
[22:27:32] <furrywolf> but, if it requires 3d acceleration, I'm not going to be able to run it.
[22:27:42] <XXCoder> good question
[22:28:02] <XXCoder> bryce 3 dont need it but it certainly cant export gcode lol
[22:28:53] <XXCoder> dirty_d: finally figured how to find out what group is what part
[22:28:59] <XXCoder> so its now blue. thanks
[22:29:04] <dirty_d> cool, np
[22:29:15] <Cromaglious> that's gonna take awhile 14300 of 690256 files
[22:29:23] <tjtr33> woah! solvespace needs a better icon, thats just ugly!
[22:29:35] <tjtr33> (had to add it to the menus )
[22:29:42] <renesis> make one and submit it
[22:29:47] <renesis> fork the project with your icon
[22:30:16] <XXCoder> yes icon takes 99% of work
[22:30:16] <renesis> call is solvesexy
[22:30:21] <renesis> obv
[22:30:22] <XXCoder> solvesexyicon
[22:30:43] <Cromaglious> --~ bbiab
[22:30:48] <XXCoder> damn I gonna try design my router table in it
[22:30:50] <XXCoder> I like it
[22:31:47] <XXCoder> almost finished besides 2 holes
[22:32:46] <renesis> theres a sex joke somewhere in that last line
[22:33:03] <XXCoder> yep
[22:33:07] <XXCoder> anything hole related
[22:33:16] <XXCoder> no wonder theres so many sex machinist jokes :P
[22:33:17] <XXCoder> jk
[22:36:04] <XXCoder> dirty_d: im confused on how to create workspace in non-xy,yz or xz plane
[22:36:14] <XXCoder> it shows 2 lines selected but it errors when I try
[22:37:03] <XXCoder> ph
[22:37:05] <XXCoder> oh
[22:37:13] <XXCoder> had to select dot too
[22:37:14] <Cromaglious> back
[22:37:41] <dirty_d> yup
[22:37:55] <Cromaglious> 29% at 206000 of 690k
[22:39:11] <dirty_d> you should just install a newer system
[22:39:29] <dirty_d> or dual boot with the linuxcnc pre-made system and a newer one
[22:40:25] <XXCoder> oh look my angle grew legs lol
[22:40:30] <XXCoder> or 2 penises :P
[22:43:02] * furrywolf hides the strapons from XXCoder
[22:43:15] <XXCoder> lol
[22:45:15] <XXCoder> done
[22:45:19] <XXCoder> nice tutorial
[22:45:51] <XXCoder> well part is done but tut arent
[22:47:17] <furrywolf> hrmm. this datasheet seems to have units errors. for example, last I checked, 0.010" was not 2.54mm.
[22:47:20] <dirty_d> if freecad used the geometry engine from this, that would be great
[22:48:44] <dirty_d> meh, whats a couple decimal points
[22:49:26] <dirty_d> this is not some mundane detain Michael!
[22:49:50] <Cromaglious> damn logitech you have to get thier bluetooth unifying dongle thingy
[22:49:54] <XXCoder> my model is watertight
[22:49:56] <XXCoder> cool lol
[22:51:04] <XXCoder> hmm STEP modek
[22:51:34] <dirty_d> i think you want export surfaces, and choose step format
[22:51:47] <XXCoder> already did, reading step file
[22:52:14] <dirty_d> you can understand those?
[22:52:20] <XXCoder> nah was just curious
[22:52:24] <dirty_d> oh ok, lol
[22:52:35] <XXCoder> wanted to know if its anything I can convert other format 3d file to
[22:52:37] * furrywolf orders sensors to build spindle encoder
[22:52:37] <dirty_d> I was gonna say, made no sense to me even though its plaintext
[22:52:58] <XXCoder> I made convertor once
[22:53:02] <dirty_d> furrywolf, those capacitive ones that have a plastic thing that slides on the shaft?
[22:53:18] <furrywolf> should I bother with an encoder for the mill spindle, or just the lathe spindle? I have neither variable speed nor software-controlled reversing...
[22:53:33] <furrywolf> dirty_d: no, your standard optical slot sensor for reading an encoder wheel
[22:54:25] <XXCoder> dirty_d: so I can import step file into some CAM software
[22:54:30] <XXCoder> then export gcode?
[22:55:03] <furrywolf> since I can't rigid tap with no reverse, is there any reason I'd need spindle-synchronized movement on the mill?
[22:55:33] <dirty_d> ahh
[22:55:57] <dirty_d> isnt the capacitive one cheaper and better though?
[22:56:08] <dirty_d> i think like $20
[22:56:17] <dirty_d> and 2048 counts/rev
[22:56:22] <furrywolf> $20 is substantially more than $2
[22:56:28] <dirty_d> this is very true, lol
[22:56:35] <dirty_d> so its more a diy one?
[22:56:46] <furrywolf> I'm building
http://members.shaw.ca/SWSTUFF/spindle-encoder.html
[22:56:46] <dirty_d> with your own encoder wheel and just a discrete sensor?
[22:56:59] <dirty_d> ahh ok, yea
[22:57:52] <furrywolf> adding a timing belt drive to a separate encoder would be a pain...
[23:01:27] <dirty_d> yea
[23:02:22] <furrywolf> I'll probably re-use the encoder wheel gcode from that site, but build my own boards.
[23:02:33] <Cromaglious> wow ubuntu doesn't have flex or bison
[23:02:38] <XXCoder> dirty_d: check this out
http://picpaste.com/angle-hL9whxCK.png
[23:02:59] <Cromaglious> err installed by default
[23:03:23] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: probably because the average desktop user will never compile anything with its own parser?
[23:03:51] <Cromaglious> yeah it's been 10 years since I've run linux
[23:04:08] <dirty_d> XXCoder, cool, i havent tried that yet
[23:04:29] <XXCoder> its pretty cool.
[23:05:40] <furrywolf> I suspect the majority of ubuntu users never compile anything, ever... and something with its own grammar is even less likely.
[23:05:56] <XXCoder> furry you probably would be right
[23:06:00] <XXCoder> its user focused
[23:06:08] <Rab> XXCoder, how did you make the surfaces opaque?
[23:06:15] <XXCoder> and I remember at one point I had to add and fix stuff so it could be compile
[23:06:30] <XXCoder> Rab: in that little window theres icons where you show and hide stuff
[23:06:39] <XXCoder> yours probably has solid surface hidden
[23:06:54] <XXCoder> or you havent exuded anythibg
[23:07:20] <XXCoder> gonna run
[23:10:35] <georgenz> have been looking into my issue, this is from my ini file, can anyone see anything wrong here? I'm getting -10V on analog output when I make any speed command apart from cw or ccw on the GUI: [SPINDLE_9]
[23:10:35] <georgenz> OUTPUT_SCALE = 1
[23:10:35] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
[23:10:35] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 9.8
[23:13:46] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:32:17] <georgenz> are people still awake here?
[23:41:33] <LeelooMinai> georgenz: Are you one of those people that only US is on the internet? :)
[23:41:39] <LeelooMinai> that think*
[23:42:04] <georgenz> well - it was VERY quiet
[23:42:20] <PetefromTn_> whatsup georgenz
[23:42:50] <georgenz> heya pete - still no joy with spindle - getting better
[23:42:59] <georgenz> but 2 days work on it and no cigar
[23:43:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah this stuff can sometimes take awhile.
[23:44:29] <georgenz> at the moment - I have the spindle turning cw and ccw
[23:44:44] <georgenz> at a speed that seems to be determined by the scale in the ini file
[23:45:01] <georgenz> [SPINDLE_9]
[23:45:02] <georgenz> OUTPUT_SCALE = 100.0
[23:45:02] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = 0.0
[23:45:02] <georgenz> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 9.8
[23:46:32] <PetefromTn_> why is it 9.8?
[23:46:52] <georgenz> the manual of the hitachi says 0-9.8V
[23:47:11] <PetefromTn_> ok I have to check my settings..
[23:48:46] <PetefromTn_> my spindle now has encoder feedback so my settings are something like
[23:49:01] <PetefromTn_> encoder scale 50000
[23:49:13] <PetefromTn_> output scale 6000
[23:49:28] <PetefromTn_> output min limit 0
[23:49:36] <georgenz> what is weird is that the mdi commands arent doing diddly to the speed it runs at
[23:49:36] <PetefromTn_> output max limit 6000
[23:50:18] <georgenz> hmmm, shall I up my max limit to say 100 and see what happens?
[23:51:27] <PetefromTn_> I THINK the analog output is max of 10v but I am not sure.
[23:51:59] <georgenz> well, u got yrs set to 6000V
[23:52:04] <PetefromTn_> I would maybe make the change and disconnect it from the vfd and check with Vm to ensure you don't overvoltage it
[23:52:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but it might be setup in my hal because I have a spindle mask for the 2-1 ratio not sure exactly how that correlates.
[23:53:16] <PetefromTn_> I think it will work but I don't want to tell you wrong and hurt your expensive VFD
[23:54:49] <PetefromTn_> do you ever get close to 9 volts to the output and when you do what kind of RPM are you getting
[23:55:28] <Cromaglious> ok had to down load about 6 other tings for mesa... still trying to compile
[23:56:05] <Cromaglious> and I forgot to compile one
[23:56:53] <georgenz> the limit is rpm - not volts
[23:57:08] <georgenz> it's worded really badly in the pncconfig
[23:57:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I understand that
[23:57:21] <georgenz> so I had mine set to max rpm at 9.8rpm
[23:57:36] <PetefromTn_> what RPM did you get?
[23:58:26] <georgenz> well the rpm seems to come from the scale you set
[23:58:53] <georgenz> i was jst spinning at 1500rpm
[23:59:41] <PetefromTn_> what was the output voltage?
