#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-25

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[00:04:04] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLOgY8hWe1I
[00:09:41] <bobo_> Oh David whats his face-- (Bourne )
[00:10:20] <PetefromTn_> my wife brought home some magazines from work they laid out for patients to read. Several of them are Machine Design.com. Very cool stuff...
[00:12:37] <bobo_> pete did you see that hyd hold down --you-tube ?---for when vacume table is not enough
[00:12:50] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WUh6jVNX9c Massive Attack..
[00:13:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did. Looks expensive heh
[00:13:19] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/freescales-popular-i-mx6-soc-sprouts-a-cortex-m4-mcu/ imx6 with an integrated 200Mhz M4 uC, if they connected it to some GPIO this will be a perfect low power CNC controller SOC
[00:13:59] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about building something shop made that uses the vacuum clamping with some ground location pins for pallet changing as well as vacuum clamping in general. Basically a poor mans version of the mitee bite 300 series..
[00:14:16] <bobo_> make your own ---- use harbor f air over hyd
[00:15:10] <bobo_> air over hyd pump
[00:15:29] <PetefromTn_> what does that air/hydro pump give you?
[00:16:50] <bobo_> air pressure pumping oil cyl for higher pressure
[00:17:42] <bobo_> higher oil pressure
[00:18:14] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQD2oxtw5jk This is basically what I am after...just cheaper hehe
[00:19:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: put on your fishnets...
[00:19:41] <PetefromTn_> ?
[00:21:25] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: why dont you just make one?
[00:21:44] <PetefromTn_> I would but right now I can't afford the damn materials LOL
[00:22:02] <zeeshan> bobo
[00:22:03] <PetefromTn_> would need a couple hundred bucks worth of fortal plate.
[00:22:03] <zeeshan> http://gifmaker.cc/PlayFrameAnimation.php?folder=2015022417hrP83BoLNQ8A0VS6tOmEnU
[00:22:16] <zeeshan> unclamped
[00:22:18] <zeeshan> to clamped state
[00:22:29] <PetefromTn_> nice graphic
[00:22:36] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: very nice gfx
[00:22:48] <zeeshan> thank you!
[00:23:06] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: nice work!
[00:23:18] <XXCoder2> glad I checked in time lol
[00:23:32] <zeeshan> mitee bite makes some good stuff
[00:23:47] <zeeshan> i want their clamps
[00:23:49] <zeeshan> that grab from the sides
[00:25:10] <zeeshan> has anyone looked at
[00:25:22] <zeeshan> how to correlate servo motor current
[00:25:24] <zeeshan> to feed force?
[00:25:42] <bobo_> zeeshan that is very good . hope you look into making replacements ---- could be worthwile for you
[00:25:52] <XXCoder2> night all
[00:25:57] <Cromaglious> nite
[00:26:03] <zeeshan> bobo_: patent infrigement lol
[00:26:07] <zeeshan> nite XXCoder2
[00:26:08] <XXCoder2> oh looks like update shutdown. thats fun
[00:26:11] <XXCoder2> laters
[00:26:20] <PetefromTn_> gn8
[00:26:35] <zeeshan> honestly icould just replace my drawbar with a 1800psi hyd cylinder
[00:26:36] <zeeshan> lever arm
[00:26:43] <zeeshan> and some belleville stacks and itd be cheaper and easier
[00:26:48] <MacGalempsy> gnite
[00:26:48] <zeeshan> but ireally like this cam lock mechanism
[00:31:21] <PetefromTn_> http://fox13now.com/2015/02/24/watch-christina-aguileras-hilarious-spot-on-impression-of-britney-spears/ Very funny stuff...
[00:36:08] <MacGalempsy> that was a great impression
[00:37:31] <zeeshan> shes good
[00:37:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right. She is pretty damn talented.
[00:38:11] <MacGalempsy> she looks more endowed
[00:38:14] <MacGalempsy> than usual
[00:38:27] <PetefromTn_> there is that too...
[00:38:56] <zeeshan> guys always go for the boobies
[00:39:13] <PetefromTn_> actually I am more of a leg man...
[00:39:17] <zeeshan> lol
[00:39:19] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[00:39:35] <MacGalempsy> haha.
[00:40:09] <MacGalempsy> this whole DIY EDM thing has got my mind racing around
[00:40:56] <PetefromTn_> there was a project awhile ago on the home machinist forum where folks were building a simple sink edm machine I am sure you could find it with a google search pretty easily.
[00:41:17] <PetefromTn_> or maybe it was in the Home machinist magazine?
[00:41:27] <MacGalempsy> it looks like a mill with a differnt head
[00:41:35] <MacGalempsy> and a tank
[00:41:36] <zeeshan> http://www.kistler.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/media/933-971_web.png
[00:41:39] <zeeshan> how would i mount a sensor like this
[00:41:45] <zeeshan> to measure cutting forces on the cnc
[00:41:47] <zeeshan> would be COOL
[00:42:27] <MacGalempsy> from all the machines I see on ebay, the power source is the most expensive part
[00:42:41] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[00:42:44] <zeeshan> the edm?
[00:42:53] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[00:43:00] <zeeshan> i think its cause its low voltage
[00:43:03] <zeeshan> high current pulses
[00:43:09] <zeeshan> you prolly need fancy electronics to do that
[00:43:43] <zeeshan> maybe it can be done using IGBTs ?
[00:44:13] <MacGalempsy> that website I posted as the board to make the pulse powersupply
[00:44:28] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/IXGK320N60B3/IXGK320N60B3-ND/3586354
[00:44:29] <zeeshan> wow
[00:44:31] <PetefromTn_> MacGalempsy I apologise man that link you showed IS the same sink EDM I was talking about..
[00:44:32] <zeeshan> this baby can handle 500A
[00:46:00] <PetefromTn_> probably be cheaper to just find a used CNC EDM and retrofit it than build one from scratch possibly.
[00:46:18] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Charmilles-110-EDM-sinker-machine-/271773566948?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f46f787e4
[00:46:20] <bobo_> EDM power supply is the main part and it's control is the secret
[00:46:23] <PetefromTn_> or at least easier
[00:46:36] <MacGalempsy> theres the mechanical, then solder the powersupply together and automate
[00:47:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah simple as dirt right ;)
[00:47:36] <bobo_> also the other main ingrediant is the dielectric
[00:47:38] <Cromaglious> t xxx11 xming running on the windows box yeah
[00:48:01] <MacGalempsy> yeah. 5gallons = $100
[00:48:07] <PetefromTn_> no idea what you area talking about man..
[00:48:58] <PetefromTn_> Feel like a damn winter shut in over here lately...
[00:49:08] <MacGalempsy> like bobo_ says. its about powersupply and feedrate
[00:49:09] <PetefromTn_> ready for some damn spring
[00:49:15] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i came across a sink edm
[00:49:17] <zeeshan> for $800
[00:49:27] <zeeshan> wanted it so bad, but couldnt fit in the garage
[00:50:00] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537463454/
[00:50:03] <zeeshan> there was so much shit for it
[00:50:48] <MacGalempsy> since I am just looking to interior parts, I figured a small desktop sinker EDM would be the right tool for the job
[00:50:49] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/city-of-toronto/monarch-lathe-for-sale-machine-shop-downsizing/1043312640?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:50:50] <zeeshan> wow
[00:50:56] <zeeshan> he still has it for sale!
[00:51:01] <zeeshan> even the monarch lathe
[00:51:01] <zeeshan> haha
[00:51:24] <bobo_> the flushing fluid---can use water but water is highly processed
[00:51:49] <PetefromTn_> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/breaking/Stafford-Township-House-Explosion-293849541.html HOLY SMOKES!!
[00:51:55] <zeeshan> bobo buy that lathe
[00:52:45] <zeeshan> how much gas was inthat house
[00:52:47] <zeeshan> jeez
[00:53:30] <MacGalempsy> http://www.machinesused.com/machine_details.cfm?ID=12196 the perfect size
[00:53:44] <zeeshan> that is SWEET
[00:53:48] <bobo_> will you bring it (monarch) over to Pete's house and install it ?
[00:53:50] <Cromaglious_> wow big booooom
[00:53:50] <zeeshan> that is the perfect size
[00:53:51] <PetefromTn_> That must have been unreal to be standing there and see that explode
[00:54:15] <zeeshan> that looks too expensive for me
[00:54:16] <zeeshan> ;[
[00:54:22] <zeeshan> bobo_: too far :P
[00:54:47] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking the $300 head and the DYI powersource
[00:55:02] <PetefromTn_> I doubt I could fit that huge bastard in my shop LOL
[00:55:08] <MacGalempsy> after the board gets here in a few days, I will get a cost together for the powersupply
[00:55:34] <PetefromTn_> would be neat to make it a linuxCNC driven sink EDM...
[00:55:49] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: that is the idea!
[00:56:35] <zeeshan> i t hink my next purchase will be either a 3d printer
[00:56:39] <zeeshan> or surface grinder
[00:56:55] <zeeshan> first the cnc mill needs to pay for itself
[00:57:13] <bobo_> Charmilles D10 Sinker Type EDM ----neat mach , but stuff like tooling is very $
[00:57:48] <Cromaglious_> I just bought a live center for the crappy shop smith lathe at the Creatorspace.us
[00:57:51] <MacGalempsy> thats what the CNC mill is for!
[00:58:00] <Cromaglious_> that'll make it a bit less crappy
[00:58:40] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did your 12x36 come with a stready rest?
[00:58:40] <PetefromTn_> Shop smith lathe?
[00:58:48] <Cromaglious_> wood lathe
[00:59:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah it came with everything Steady, Follow, live and dead centers... two chucks, etc etc.
[00:59:17] <zeeshan> mine doesnt have a steady rest :(
[00:59:24] <zeeshan> i think i will need it for the hyd job
[00:59:25] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell miss it right now too...
[00:59:40] <Cromaglious_> shopsmith, lathe, tablesaw, sander, jointer, drill press, table belt sander
[00:59:42] <MacGalempsy> will have to keep an eye on the D10, until this cnc is 100%, my wife will kill me if I take up anymore garage space
[00:59:46] <PetefromTn_> honestly it would be quite simple to make a better one. with bearings instead of bronze tips.
[01:00:00] <Cromaglious_> all in one doesn't do anything great, does every ok
[01:00:09] <zeeshan> you just gotta make the v groove accruate?
[01:00:13] <zeeshan> and the centerline fairly accurate?
[01:00:47] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, you also have to make sure there is no rack in the frame, that leads to taper
[01:00:51] <PetefromTn_> meh none of it needs to be really accurate.. the bearing tips are adjustable... as long as it is straight it should be good...
[01:00:54] <Cromaglious_> rack or twist
[01:01:11] <zeeshan> Cromaglious: you dont know me by now?!
[01:01:15] <zeeshan> i make everything 10x bigger
[01:01:16] <zeeshan> :[
[01:01:31] <Cromaglious_> heh
[01:01:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/33980d1304105607-shop-made-tool-pics-100_1361-stdy-.jpg
[01:01:48] <zeeshan> wow
[01:01:49] <zeeshan> that is sexy
[01:01:51] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, the tim the toolman taylor wanna be
[01:02:02] <MacGalempsy> :O
[01:02:27] <zeeshan> whats the reasoning
[01:02:29] <Cromaglious_> PetefromTn_, nice!
[01:02:30] <zeeshan> behind making it 2 piece?
[01:02:52] <Cromaglious_> easier to fab most likely
[01:03:11] <PetefromTn_> not sure really... no real purpose that I can see other than just being able to remove the workpiece without moving the steady rest.
[01:03:22] <zeeshan> oh that makes sense
[01:03:24] <zeeshan> if you have heavy stuff
[01:03:37] <zeeshan> you can just open the top and lift it out a bit easier
[01:04:07] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious_: you sound like Al!
[01:04:16] <Cromaglious_> oh the swing open, yep... have a bridge hoist/crane in the shop and drop it straight down... no manuvering it through the hole
[01:04:30] <zeeshan> well i was kinda imagining
[01:04:35] <zeeshan> sliding the steady rest out first
[01:04:35] <Cromaglious_> or engine lift
[01:04:37] <zeeshan> then removing th epiece
[01:04:43] <zeeshan> you'd leave it chucked on the chuck
[01:04:58] <PetefromTn_> http://rifleshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/338-barrel-in-a-steady-rest.jpg mine looked like that only green..
[01:05:10] <zeeshan> pete thats a really nice one
[01:05:15] <zeeshan> it'd be easy to replace that with bearings
[01:05:22] <Cromaglious_> also you don't have to change zero if you need to take it out to test fit, then have to put it mack in the lathe
[01:05:30] <PetefromTn_> that is what I was planning before I sold the machine...
[01:05:49] <Cromaglious_> I need to make a steady rest and a follow rest for my sheldon
[01:05:51] <MacGalempsy> bbiab
[01:05:52] <PetefromTn_> now I will probably make one like that shop built one for my new CNC lathe..
[01:05:59] <zeeshan> cu mac
[01:06:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: we have cnc mills
[01:06:17] <zeeshan> life will be easy
[01:06:18] <zeeshan> :-)
[01:06:38] <PetefromTn_> sure man...just need some materials and time..
[01:06:42] <zeeshan> yea
[01:07:03] <zeeshan> a lot of my friends who stayed back to do internship
[01:07:15] <zeeshan> are doing their capstone projects
[01:07:20] * zeeshan has been collecting their scrap metal
[01:07:21] <zeeshan> haha
[01:07:58] <zeeshan> 1/2" plate is okay to find
[01:08:01] <zeeshan> but for some reason 1" plate is harder
[01:08:04] <zeeshan> in scrap form
[01:08:40] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/33980d1304105607-shop-made-tool-pics-100_1361-stdy-.jpg
[01:08:41] <zeeshan> hey pete
[01:08:44] <zeeshan> this one you posted
[01:08:49] <zeeshan> this guy must have some sort of key slot
[01:08:55] <Cromaglious_> yep, scrap yard had a 600# hunk of 6" plate about 14" wide man I wanted that SOO bad
[01:08:59] <zeeshan> to stop that steady rest from rotating?
[01:09:12] <zeeshan> lol crom
[01:09:45] <PetefromTn_> key slot?
[01:09:58] <Cromaglious_> it would take my saw 2 days to cut it... and it would take me a week to get my band saw setup to cut it
[01:10:03] <zeeshan> you see the clamp oin the bottom
[01:10:13] <zeeshan> its only got 1 hex head holding the steady rest down to it
[01:10:20] <zeeshan> im wondering how he's stopping it from rotating
[01:10:28] <PetefromTn_> probably pinned to the base
[01:10:45] <PetefromTn_> I will probably just tig weld mine together.
[01:10:50] <Cromaglious_> zeeshan, i agree with PetefromTn_
[01:10:59] <zeeshan> yea tigging should be good enough
[01:11:11] <zeeshan> its amazing how much 1 sample angle
[01:11:20] <zeeshan> *simple angle makes a mounting bracke tlook so nice
[01:12:05] <Cromaglious_> abom79 just put a slot in his to match the the slot for the way on the original lathe.. he made a spacer for his
[01:12:16] <zeeshan> yea isaw the video :D
[01:12:28] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/eb/05/00/eb0500a6ffa954772141b8250e0f991a.jpg Ghetto version heh
[01:12:34] <zeeshan> lol
[01:12:35] <zeeshan> LOL
[01:12:47] <zeeshan> that looked like 3d printer person made
[01:12:56] <Cromaglious_> that'll be mine
[01:12:59] <zeeshan> :D
[01:13:06] <Cromaglious_> I should take a picture of my 90 plate
[01:13:29] <Cromaglious_> lag bolts for bracing just welded in place
[01:13:40] <zeeshan> lol
[01:13:46] <zeeshan> zzzzzzzzzz
[01:13:48] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/474x/cb/8a/0a/cb8a0a2e7417238dc5b82fdfac21ac21.jpg Something like this only bigger and thicker?
[01:13:57] <zeeshan> i liked the closed models
[01:14:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah that first one is a beauty
[01:14:37] <zeeshan> maybe ill make one this weekend
[01:14:44] <zeeshan> ill start lookign for material
[01:14:47] <PetefromTn_> shit make two...LOL
[01:14:48] <Cromaglious_> niec 688zz skateboard brearings
[01:14:54] <zeeshan> i think i want it out of 3/4" or 1" thick material
[01:15:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah at least 1"
[01:15:23] <Cromaglious_> know anyone that casts iron?
[01:15:27] <PetefromTn_> or make it out of 3/4 and tig two together
[01:15:52] <PetefromTn_> you could capture the guides in between the two halves if you were clever..
[01:16:06] <zeeshan> we'll see
[01:16:09] <zeeshan> too tired to think anymore
[01:16:10] <zeeshan> :-)
[01:16:11] <zeeshan> gnite!
[01:16:17] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[01:16:23] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna head to bed too..
[01:16:27] <bobo_> nite
[01:16:44] <bobo_> nite nite
[01:17:45] <Cromaglious_> nite nite nite
[01:21:31] <Cromaglious_> i'm still here just exited on my phone
[01:29:01] <bobo_> any way -- maker space . people from car clubs --- hobby shop customers
[02:03:50] <Cromaglious> bobo_, you still here?
[02:04:16] <Cromaglious> hmmm hobby shop customers... instant 3d printer and cnc mill customers
[02:10:57] <bobo_> i think so
[02:14:40] <bobo_> was looking at the ott-jakob web site ----- interesting tool holder clamping system
[02:21:44] <Connor> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
[02:22:40] <Connor> I think that one is going to blow exploding kittens away.
[02:22:55] <Connor> $7,955,731 with 30 days to GO
[02:23:09] <Connor> Kittens just got $8,782,571
[02:23:36] <Deejay> moin
[02:30:06] <bobo_> Hi Deejay
[02:30:19] <Deejay> hi bobo
[02:30:26] <Jymmm> $200 for that watch... I'm just not seeing it.
[02:31:49] <Deejay> greetings, Jymmm :)
[02:32:01] <Jymmm> Howdy Deejay =)
[02:35:38] <bobo_> Deejay : any idea where Nick Mueller is ? I really miss his you-tube series
[02:35:53] <Deejay> ah, nick "der grantler" mueller :)
[02:35:58] <Deejay> heard of him ;)
[02:36:44] <Deejay> but i dunno... perhaps syyl_ knows more
[02:38:17] <Cromaglious> I hate apps that wont move to the SD card
[02:40:45] <Jymmm> Who the fuck creates an OS that limits/restricts where content/apps are required to be stored?! That has got to be the dumbest thing google has ever done.
[02:40:58] <Deejay> google is evil
[02:41:40] <Jymmm> Deejay: Google Inc, A Commercial NSA Company.
[02:41:48] <Deejay> hehe yip
[02:46:44] <Cromaglious> ugh... makercam.com makes crappy g code, the wizards in Mach 3 make worse G code
[02:48:12] <archivist> use inside rear of skull for teh bestest gcode
[02:48:34] <Deejay> hehe
[02:49:50] <archivist> there is no cam for my attempt at bevel gear milling that I know of
[02:50:24] <Cromaglious> there is lots and lots of trig in that
[02:50:47] <Cromaglious> have you looked for mathmatical models of bevel gears??
[02:50:53] <archivist> having the ability to shove the trig IN the gcode is one of the linuxcnc real advantages
[02:51:35] <archivist> er yes :) http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[02:52:02] <archivist> I have an error to still find
[02:52:34] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[02:52:47] <Cromaglious> what error?
[02:53:13] <archivist> see last picture the gears mesh at the wrong angle
[02:54:19] <archivist> this is either backlash in the rotaries or a set up error(tooth gap) or something else
[02:55:00] <archivist> but I had spent too much time for the price I quoted
[02:55:56] <bobo_> archivist not that I understand but was thinking this was a good deal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Xs6Exx3XQ
[02:55:57] <archivist> and customer was whining about me cutting steel rather than brass which costs a lot
[02:56:40] <archivist> that is the same but spur/helical
[02:57:10] <Connor> archivist So what are you going to do ?
[02:57:38] <Cromaglious> hmm if you try to cut a 45 angle what it turn out to be? is it off the same 10 degrees or is it proportional?
[02:57:39] <archivist> bobo_, if you look at my cutter it is also straight sided for generation
[02:58:14] <bobo_> he also shows bevel ( stright ? ) gear cutting
[02:58:15] <Cromaglious> the shafts being 45 degrees alignment
[03:00:05] <bobo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQtx80euGM
[03:01:55] <archivist> that is a spur not a bevel
[03:02:15] <bobo_> Oh
[03:02:23] <archivist> technique is similar but moooooore maffs
[03:02:37] <archivist> taper paths
[03:02:55] <bobo_> ok
[03:03:16] <bobo_> cone ?
[03:03:43] <archivist> yes http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel that shows the cone form
[03:04:27] <Cromaglious> hmm it the angle it's off by equal to the angle between the top of the teeth and the root of both gears at the edge?
[03:04:34] <Cromaglious> s/it/is/
[03:05:10] <archivist> the big difference is rotating one rotary by the as well as of lifting the cutter
[03:05:21] <Cromaglious> is the root supposed to actually be the top of the tooth?
[03:05:21] <archivist> the big difference is rotating one rotary by the other as well as of lifting the cutter
[03:05:52] <archivist> root is not wide enough, probably my main error
[03:06:23] <archivist> but each gear takes 4/5 hours of machine time
[03:07:39] <bobo_> how many hours of thinking/setup time ?
[03:10:06] <archivist> a "few" lots of book reading then one finds a page like http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2918/page_0087t.jpg
[03:10:37] <archivist> picture worth a few thousand words
[03:11:35] <archivist> I use one cutter but intend to over rotate to make the gap
[03:11:45] <archivist> tooth gap
[03:12:37] <archivist> look on youtube for gleason bevel gear generation
[03:13:00] <Cromaglious> looks like you put addendum onto the tooth instead of taking more dedendum
[03:14:37] <Cromaglious> made the root the pitch line instead of the middle of the tooth
[03:15:11] <SpeedEvil> Gear words are such fun
[03:15:21] <Cromaglious> looking at the picture closer it looks to be one tooth or the combined addendum
[03:15:32] <archivist> the addendum/dedendum are modified from normal in the gleason system
[03:16:08] <Cromaglious> well it looks like your error is in the pitch line addendum dedendum figuring code
[03:16:40] <archivist> that is in the maths correctly I think, the rotation not giving a proper tooth gap is I think the main error
[03:17:07] <archivist> the involute curve on the two look right
[03:17:34] <Cromaglious> a full tooth?
[03:18:03] <Cromaglious> I could see a 1/4 to 1/3 tooth not 1/1 tooth
[03:18:12] <archivist> I dont have good enough measuring tools to prove the curve
[03:18:41] <archivist> they feel right in mesh
[03:18:42] <Cromaglious> you have pin guages?
[03:18:48] <archivist> no
[03:19:07] <Cromaglious> small wire from different motors?
[03:19:38] <Cromaglious> use a micrometer on them...
[03:20:01] <archivist> dont forget the taper :)
[03:20:45] <archivist> I need http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gleason-Gear-Testing-Measuring-Tool-/140779835755 but that is currently beyond my means
[03:21:11] <Cromaglious> not really caring about the taper tight now... Trying to find how much deeper the teeth have to mesh before the shafts are at 90 degrees
[03:21:18] <archivist> and a sensible cmm
[03:21:29] <Cromaglious> you are trying to make them mesh at 90 degrees correct?
[03:21:40] <archivist> yes
[03:24:00] <Cromaglious> can you hold them at 90 to each other with the outsides meshed
[03:24:10] <Cromaglious> so the tips are apart
[03:25:10] <archivist> 8 degs approx wrong
[03:25:28] <Cromaglious> then measure parallel to one shaft and perpendicular to the other and find how far the parallel shaft is offset from the perp shaft tips
[03:26:44] <archivist> that needs to be done on an optical setup, would take an hour or two to setup
[03:27:38] <archivist> and as there is a basic tooth root error, I would try to fix that first next time I try to make some
[03:28:46] <Cromaglious> that maybe true but I don't think it's 4 degrees per tooth worth
[03:29:41] <archivist> remember the tip engagement will not change much/at all
[03:30:08] <Cromaglious> 4 degrees is 1.11111% of 360 degrees hmm maybe it is..
[03:30:13] <archivist> so it will be bigger that first imagined I think
[03:30:48] <archivist> gnats cock but 1.1% matters :(
[03:31:23] <Cromaglious> 8 degrees is 8.88889% of 90
[03:31:58] <archivist> that cheating
[03:32:53] <archivist> percentage of full scale bites in many measurement systems
[03:33:28] <Cromaglious> you're about 10% on 90 degrees. which the 8.88889% is really close to that
[03:34:53] <archivist> if you look at the root on the brass bevel, it is just not there it is a v like the cutter
[03:35:04] <Cromaglious> get a magnifying glass at look to see how much more tooth engagement you need
[03:35:51] <Cromaglious> 10% ain't much of a tiny gear tooth
[03:36:39] <archivist> I know, I have made a homebrew measuring machine but it is poor for these bevels
[03:36:50] <Cromaglious> your using a straight V? and the brass gear is actually an involute gear form?
[03:37:37] <archivist> yes, that is generation
[03:37:54] <archivist> measuring machine http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=travelling
[03:39:27] <Cromaglious> and you can't use a hobb either... just a shit load of passes to get the proper involute shape
[03:39:36] <archivist> yup
[03:39:53] <Cromaglious> and they have to go all the way to the tip
[03:40:21] <archivist> a bit further to get rid of machine errors
[03:40:30] <renesis> archivist: cool inspection scope
[03:40:53] <renesis> whats the length on the little gear teeth?
[03:40:55] <archivist> contemplating a new machine
[03:42:38] <MacGalempsy> ok back
[03:42:47] <archivist> the small bevel is 10mm dia large is 15.7
[03:43:17] <archivist> something like a .5 mod size near the outer
[03:44:30] <Cromaglious> yup wider root, narrower tooth
[03:45:44] <renesis> good detail, like in the grain texture in the chip at the end of the tooth
[03:48:51] <archivist> very inconvenient to use though, with no vertical rotation of an item being measured
[03:48:55] <renesis> how do you make the lines?
[03:49:31] <archivist> see top picture that is the measuring eyepiece with the two lines
[03:49:58] <renesis> its wires?
[03:51:58] <archivist> spiders web or engraved on glass (likely)
[03:52:00] <renesis> so you just have an eyepiece and it has two fixed lines centered?
[03:52:00] <Cromaglious> if you could view the gears meshed you could calculate the pixels required to make it seat deeper. Derive the distance by calculating the gear pitch
[03:52:28] <archivist> one line is rotated and then you read the vernier
[03:52:58] <Cromaglious> in pixels
[03:53:00] <renesis> okay right its the whole assembly thats what i thought
[03:53:27] <renesis> should start dimensioning my drawings in pixels
[03:53:29] <archivist> I have a spare I may mount a camera on
[03:55:26] <Cromaglious> measure the angle at the contact line and it's straight trig from there
[03:56:01] <archivist> I am thinking of modifying this to be my next measuring setup http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[03:57:12] <archivist> need to borrow some of the swift microscope and make tables for item mounting
[03:58:34] <archivist> the lenses are duff in that citizen
[04:13:52] <archivist> zeeshan, http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2918/page_0088.jpg
[05:59:12] <MacGalempsy> its so dead in here!
[05:59:43] <MacGalempsy> and....i'm out. c ya later!
[08:13:24] <Swapper> anyone have experience in reading powermeeters via modbus?
[08:51:45] <jdh> not me!
[09:01:29] <Swapper> trying to read this meeter http://www.shmcomms.co.uk/images/PDFs/Man_CG_EM24_Modbus.pdf
[09:03:03] <Swapper> But as soon as i read the V L1-N at adress 0 i get no values
[09:03:05] <Swapper> it faults
[09:07:41] <archivist> first you got the baudrate and handshakes working properly
[09:09:10] <Swapper> i can read all other values fine
[09:09:13] <Swapper> so i get data
[09:09:26] <Swapper> but not two specific values
[09:09:30] <Swapper> 0 and 12
[09:12:55] <archivist> but what is "it faults"
[09:13:24] <Swapper> i get modbus exceptions
[09:15:48] <tjtr33> diagnostic function 08 ok?
[09:16:04] <tjtr33> ( nice unit, i use Dranetz )
[09:16:32] <archivist> basic handshake and did you read the use a terminating resistor bit of the doc
[09:16:43] <Swapper> im using a modbus master from http://www.csimn.com/index.html
[09:16:55] <Swapper> it doesnt have much debug functionality
[09:17:15] <archivist> scope
[09:17:35] <archivist> or logic analyser
[09:18:13] <Swapper> i have a scope but not the know how on how to interpret the data it gives
[09:18:50] <tjtr33> whats the problem? line analyzers usually are 'the cnc just goes nuts sometimes'
[09:18:54] <archivist> if it is a digital scope you can grab the message you send and the reply
[09:18:55] <Swapper> im more on the level that i need 2 know that i have converted the datasheet values to the correct ones for the master
[09:20:31] <Swapper> Modicon adress:300013 Physical adress:000Ch > decimal register nr 12 ?
[09:20:46] <Swapper> read as holding register
[09:21:01] <Swapper> INT32
[09:30:18] <tjtr33> "<Swapper> i can read all other values fine " so your conversion sounds ok, reg 12decimal is not so different from 14decimal ( A L2 )
[09:31:17] <Swapper> exactly
[09:31:28] <Swapper> 12 would be the logical value there
[09:31:50] <tjtr33> and you an read A L2 ok?
[09:31:59] <Swapper> yep i get a value at lest
[09:32:02] <Swapper> least
[09:38:35] <tjtr33> dunno, if you cant read 2 of umpteen registers, i suspect the CGavazzi unit, id be suspect of any data from other registers
[09:40:12] <archivist> I would suspect the wiring, and the terminator
[09:40:47] <Swapper> for only 2 specific registers?
[09:42:11] <archivist> signal corruption can look like that
[09:42:51] <archivist> section 1.3.1
[09:45:22] <Swapper> ill make shure there are terminators
[09:45:25] <archivist> it is something known as "pattern sensitive fault"
[09:46:03] <Swapper> ahh ok
[09:46:15] <Swapper> so those specific requests cause a crc
[09:46:19] <Swapper> or corupt data
[09:46:21] <Swapper> every time
[09:46:36] <tjtr33> modicom addr 300015 ok? similar pattern and the bitweight 8 is common
[09:46:42] <archivist> also you can see a similar error on serial networks where you get parity/stop bits incorrectly set
[09:47:16] <Swapper> i cinda ignored the serial errors part since i got other values
[09:47:45] <Swapper> but your right, ill dubble check parity/stops and termination resistors
[09:47:46] <archivist> I am used to debugging serial years ago :)
[09:48:16] <Swapper> i figured someone here could know a thing or two regarding this sort of stuff :)
[09:48:44] <archivist> I even have a dedicated serial analyser
[09:48:52] <Swapper> would it be possible that values got wrong or would that be CRCed away ?
[09:49:43] <Swapper> i have a rigol but havent checked more the RS232 only to test the decoder
[09:49:57] <Swapper> debugging R485 mobus on that i dont know how
[09:50:03] <archivist> I would go through all set up variables making sure they are right
[09:50:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kkf4A0gZKg 11-axis CNC screw machine jump to 2:00
[09:51:00] <tjtr33> re: the test function: you get back what you send. should be able to debug a pattern err
[09:52:26] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, haha that guy's biz is to do english vids for companies.
[09:52:58] <CaptHindsight> I have the sound turned down :)
[09:52:58] <tjtr33> seen him before on a few sites
[09:53:17] <tjtr33> me too, listening to Big Bang Burger Bar
[09:53:42] <Swapper> archivist: thanks again, ill check this out.
[09:53:43] <_methods> all that shit and they use a push stop on it
[09:54:01] <CaptHindsight> I need to pick up fasteners by the threads and perform operations on their heads
[09:54:41] <archivist> soft jaws threaded
[09:54:56] <_methods> collet jaws
[09:55:00] <_methods> should work fine for that
[09:55:04] <_methods> what i always use
[09:55:11] <_methods> collet chuck in sub
[09:55:15] <archivist> and me often
[09:55:54] <jdh> I have an AB arm that picks up by head, drops in fixture for verification, then picks up 90 degrees off to make the head visible
[09:56:23] <CaptHindsight> fasteners on a conveyor belt, pick, hold, rotate 360 deg, place on belt
[09:57:10] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_KY4P241Zc
[09:57:16] <_methods> star screw machien
[09:57:33] <_methods> sliding head hehe
[09:58:27] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any idea how long the bar stock is that it's holding?
[09:58:35] <_methods> probably 8'
[09:58:38] <_methods> but i have no idea
[09:58:48] <tjtr33> what changes when you rotate 360 degrees?
[09:59:01] <_methods> probably under 6' actually
[09:59:59] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: have to rotate the heads 360 deg past a nozzle
[10:00:07] <tjtr33> oh :)
[10:00:46] <tjtr33> earl schiebe auto painting
[10:00:59] <_methods> haha you see the sub eject the part at about 4min
[10:01:25] <CaptHindsight> up to 10 parts per second throughput, so how to best reduce the number of parallel machines performing the operation?
[10:02:44] <archivist> _methods, see also the citizen machines with a second spindle for rear operations
[10:02:46] <SpeedEvil> Overclocking.
[10:02:50] <_methods> yeah
[10:02:58] <_methods> didn't citizen buy star?
[10:03:06] <_methods> i thought they were they same thing or soemthing
[10:03:08] <archivist> dunno
[10:03:36] <archivist> both sliding head swiss type machines
[10:03:36] <tjtr33> dont rotate part past nozzle, put many nozzles around part
[10:03:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuYuwdV-Rs cam controlled screw machine
[10:04:04] <_methods> old school
[10:04:29] <CaptHindsight> real men don't use gcode, they machine the program into steel :)
[10:04:36] <_methods> heheh
[10:05:00] <_methods> we had 3 of those things at a shop i worked at finally replaced them with a couple stars
[10:05:25] <archivist> cams are cast iron not steel :)
[10:05:39] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: a billion parts per year :)
[10:07:25] <archivist> machine similar to mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEHq0ktAiGc
[10:07:59] <tjtr33> carl segan scale you need 32 pcs per sec for abillion a year ( and no down time )
[10:08:34] <_methods> you sound like my old boss
[10:08:36] <CaptHindsight> 3 plants so ~10/sec per plant
[10:11:54] <CaptHindsight> sounds easy until you see the cycle times
[10:13:15] <archivist> the multi splindle automatics really churn stuff out
[10:14:37] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JZX1JkYQk
[10:17:22] <CaptHindsight> I want one now
[10:17:37] <CaptHindsight> 11 axis min from now on
[10:18:35] <CaptHindsight> I didn't see any vids for screw machine linuxcnc conversions
[10:18:56] <CaptHindsight> what the max for axis in linuxcnc?
[10:19:16] <archivist> erm...... 9
[10:19:41] <archivist> time to add another 3 methinks :)
[10:20:22] <archivist> but going to need some mods to enable multi spindle work
[10:21:28] <archivist> really need more trajectory planners with a few axes per planner and some synchronisation at points in a cycle
[10:23:31] <tjtr33> its always been said that you an expand past 9. and calling some of them axis is a stretch, just a plc controlled feed to a limit
[10:24:04] <hkais> hello together
[10:24:38] <archivist> some would recommend multiple PCs with linking at possibly clacsicladder
[10:24:40] <hkais> I've just started to get familiar with CNC engraving. And saw that my favorite OS Linux has a OSS version of CNC software.
[10:24:43] <hkais> great!
[10:25:23] <hkais> Anyway I am wondering, if there is a list of well known and well working CNC engraving machines with LinuxCNC? Can someone help me out of the dark?
[10:26:09] <tjtr33> may help http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
[10:27:02] <tjtr33> archivist, yes it would be nice to sync 2 linuxcnc controls, or at least handshake
[10:29:56] <tjtr33> handshake we can do easy, say a robot feeding a lathe, but not synced motion afaik
[10:36:25] <archivist> if you look at a lot of the automatics, there are multiple ops that are interleaved (timed) but separate motions
[10:36:50] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7kMevlclKg low throughput version
[10:37:01] <hkais> are there any CNCs outside to buy with the support for linuxCNC which are well known to work?
[10:37:15] <Rab> Tormach ;)
[10:37:29] <archivist> that wickman cnc was even craftier, as it was running two threading ops on one spindle
[10:37:32] <CaptHindsight> hkais: whats your budget? what size?
[10:38:30] <hkais> size for typical office articles (pens, some wood parts, cdcovers, ...) roughtly about 50-80cm in each dimension
[10:38:58] <hkais> budget as cheap but good quality as possible. also used devices are okay
[10:39:06] <archivist> may want a rotating axis then
[10:39:40] <hkais> CaptHindsight: ^^^
[10:39:45] <_methods> you can buy those 3020's or 6040's for $1k
[10:39:55] <CaptHindsight> hkais: with spindle or laser?
[10:39:59] <tjtr33> hkais small engraver that works out of bix w linuxcnc sable2015 http://goo.gl/SsTcru i got one and it works fine
[10:40:17] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-AXIS-CNC-6040-ROUTER-DRILLING-MILLING-PROFESSIONAL-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-/171456563604
[10:40:21] <CaptHindsight> 80cm drives the price up a bit
[10:40:52] <hkais> archivist: a spindle and 3 axises for the spindle
[10:41:20] <tjtr33> 32" engraving , thats big
[10:41:58] <PetefromTn_> Was interesting to watch Astronauts on a space walk lubricating ballscrews on the Canada Arm part of the International Space Station. Looked like kind of a tedious maneuver...LOL
[10:42:28] <archivist> http://www.engraversjournal.com/article.php/2557/images/Rotary-Leadpic-BIG.gif
[10:42:45] <hkais> _methods: thx for the link, do not get the vendor of the 6040? Who is the vendor of it?
[10:43:07] <_methods> it's nameless chinese
[10:43:55] <_methods> there are tons ofmakers for those machines
[10:45:51] <PetefromTn_> now they are lubricating some linear bearing tracks and some latching mechanisms.. Pretty cool CNC stuff in SPACE!!
[10:46:30] <hkais> CaptHindsight: thought of a spindle. but if lasers are not to pricey maybe they are an option. Can you recommend some?
[10:46:48] <hkais> many thx to all! Have not thought it will be so much support
[10:47:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl6060-desktop-cnc-router-with-3-stepper-motors-2 is $900 + old PC and some stepper drives
[10:47:58] <hkais> what is the recommended development process on getting an engravement to a piece? (from the idea to the spindle/laser) Can someone recommend me a toolchain? Ideally which is very easy to use, also for non engineers.
[10:48:50] <tjtr33> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vtaefGN3VI
[10:52:35] <_methods> what kind of mill is that?
[10:52:38] <_methods> i want one of those lol
[10:53:03] <tjtr33> russian, you cant get it, out of biz now, very nice
[10:53:11] <_methods> damn
[10:53:24] <tjtr33> mactep ( i dont have cyrillic font/keys )
[10:53:29] <CaptHindsight> hkais: check out the wiki, it has tons of past experiences
[10:54:14] <tjtr33> <tjtr33> may help http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
[10:54:28] <tjtr33> bbl
[10:56:55] <CaptHindsight> time to get Linuxcnc to run a SLA DLP/LCD printer
[10:57:43] <CaptHindsight> it just needs to sync to a series of SVG images
[10:58:09] <PetefromTn_> thats impressive, I thought you needed a lot of cooling flood for granite and marble engraving...
[10:58:17] <CaptHindsight> Z motion, 1st image, z motion 2nd image, z motion ......
[11:01:57] <PetefromTn_> any idea what GCA would mean during a spacewalk?
[11:02:01] <hkais> great many thanks for you help so far. will invest some time to get to the point to start
[11:08:56] <_methods> ground control
[11:09:11] <_methods> i think that's who gca is
[11:09:33] <PetefromTn_> they have EVA which I THINK is extra vehicular activities..
[11:09:46] <PetefromTn_> not sure what GCA is but they keep mentioning it.
[11:09:54] <Roguish> good morning all. is the mail server down? i haven't received any email since Monday.
[11:15:10] <_methods> https://www.etsy.com/listing/222600700/custom-flight-case-for-han-solo-or-rebel
[11:15:39] <PetefromTn_> Cool... I WANT!!
[11:15:52] <_methods> hehe
[11:17:18] <PetefromTn_> She's the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy....and you can get some cool riffs on it too!
[11:22:33] <jdh> they talk to major tom
[11:22:56] <PetefromTn_> love that song hehe
[11:24:24] <hetii> Hi :)
[11:25:17] <jdh> pete: do theu still have moonshine bars up there?
[11:26:05] <PetefromTn_> LOL dunno man I actively try to stay away from the real redneck spots that might have it...
[11:26:11] <hetii> Where can I find some tested circut hardware that based on discrete component that alow me control 3 step motors and work with linuxcnc ?
[11:27:06] <PetefromTn_> why did you run out?? ;)
[11:34:03] <PetefromTn_> Interesting to see what a NASA grease gun looks like hehe
[11:44:39] <PetefromTn_> They keep mentioning wire ties, I wonder what kind of wire ties they use on the outside of a space station
[11:45:26] <jdh> UV stabilized
[11:45:34] <jdh> ss?
[11:45:59] <PetefromTn_> no idea trying to see one when they install one..
[11:46:45] <PetefromTn_> I did see what looked like a coated wire with rings on each end that the astronaut was kind of twisting like a bread bag tie or something..
[11:50:35] <PetefromTn_> one thing that is really cool is when they traverse across the length of the station body it does not appear that they are constantly tethering themselves to it. They seem to tether once they get where they are going to be doing work.
[11:51:25] <_methods> that's because they're in no risk in a studio in hollywood lol
[11:53:09] <PetefromTn_> hehe I am sure they have those little thrusters or whatever in case they did manage to lose hold of the station and start drifting off. Either way it all looks like an E-ticket ride man..
[11:55:19] <PetefromTn_> three astronauts are coming home on march 11 using the soyoz capsule with a parachute assisted landing in the Soviet union apparently.
[11:55:40] <jdh> heh. fun!
[11:56:52] <_methods> better than the old space shuttle ionic vaporization landing technique
[11:57:26] <PetefromTn_> the Soviets are bringing three more astronauts up later in March apparently.
[11:57:49] <_methods> maybe we can beg for a spot on their rocket lol
[11:58:05] <PetefromTn_> Hell I would take a ride!
[11:58:22] <_methods> yeah man
[12:00:19] <PetefromTn_> they have a cool little toolbox they carry with them with all sorts of stuff in it. everything is tethered. When he was greasing those points on the robotic arm some grease came loose and stuck to his helmet LOL.. Apparently applying grease and wiping it up is kind of problematic in space LOL
[12:00:59] <_methods> wiping up grease on earth sux
[12:01:04] <PetefromTn_> the station is quite huge really...
[12:01:06] <_methods> can't imagine it's any more fun in space
[12:02:14] <PetefromTn_> the guy is moving across the body to the tranquility module and you can see him from a camera mounted out on the end and see the side of the body of the main part of the station. It is REALLY BIG
[12:04:26] <PetefromTn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station apparently it is 240 feet long, 350 feet wide, and 66 feet high. I had no idea it was so big...
[12:05:14] <_methods> yeah it's man's greatest feat of engineering i'd have to say
[12:05:24] <_methods> nothing like it has ever been created
[12:06:14] <PetefromTn_> apparently they are working on making it even larger and adding mating capability for more craft to interface to it.
[12:06:46] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/49rJ7.png
[12:06:53] <_methods> and we do this
[12:07:00] <_methods> just think if that was flipped
[12:07:04] <_methods> what we could achieve
[12:07:30] <_methods> but our wonderfully myopic leaders continue to line their pockets and kill without restraint and profit from it
[12:07:33] <_methods> so lovely
[12:07:56] <PetefromTn_> whats funny is that is from 2010 and I believe the NASA budget has been cut considerably since then.
[12:08:15] <_methods> my brain can't even comprehend how this happens
[12:08:26] <_methods> but i guess since the dollars aren't going into my bank acct
[12:08:33] <_methods> i just wouldn't understand lol
[12:09:26] <PetefromTn_> they were discussing with a NASA engineer future plans that called for some sort of inflatable pods that could accomodate more people and equipment inside and are much lighter to bring up into space...
[12:09:58] <zeeshan> archivist: that is cool
[12:10:04] <PetefromTn_> that Canada arm is massive...
[12:11:35] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of what appear to be gold anodized grab handles all over the station they hold on to.
[12:13:10] <PetefromTn_> wow he just said he got some video and some Gopro! I had no idea there were gopro cameras in space...
[12:18:01] <archivist> zeeshan, shows the tool and motion and how the machine is special for the job
[12:18:10] <zeeshan> yes
[12:18:15] <zeeshan> need to replicate that motion
[12:18:34] <archivist> look on youtube there is one or more
[12:18:42] <CaptHindsight> _methods: any news on that virus that targets selfishness and duchebaggery neurons?
[12:18:52] <archivist> just synchronised motion
[12:18:55] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2szHk0OCU
[12:20:15] <zeeshan> that mechansim is so cool
[12:20:52] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAXvAXFwN0
[12:20:57] <zeeshan> i could prolly do this with the horizontal spindle
[12:20:59] <zeeshan> and a 4th axis?
[12:21:22] <CaptHindsight> hate to crash that cutting tool
[12:21:24] <archivist> may need 6
[12:21:55] <archivist> depends of you do the angle setting as well
[12:23:48] <archivist> helical needs 5 if you set the angle by cnc
[12:25:34] <archivist> when I did my first helical I did some setup cheating and did an angle path Z(X or Y) cant remember
[12:25:50] <zeeshan> im confused as to why,, do you have just have 2 spindles whose axis is at an angle to each other
[12:25:59] <zeeshan> with an involute gear cutter one one axis
[12:26:03] <zeeshan> and sync motion between the two
[12:26:17] <zeeshan> do = don't
[12:26:41] <archivist> either the path is at an angle or the rotary is set to an angle or both
[12:27:26] <pcw_home> 5 axis:
[12:27:28] <pcw_home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SXT9iMY1U
[12:27:37] <zeeshan> thats for bevel
[12:27:48] <archivist> you see all the helical machines can set the hob at the screw angle and the blank at the helical gear angle
[12:27:50] <zeeshan> but damn look at that machine eat chips
[12:28:04] <jdh> eat?
[12:29:02] <zeeshan> yes eat
[12:29:03] <zeeshan> :)
[12:29:05] <CaptHindsight> imagine having to hand draw the prints to scale for that gear
[12:30:32] <archivist> damned shiny cut surface, why the machine had to be rigid
[12:33:38] <zeeshan> i might have a manual for the mikron soon
[12:33:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zpYvpxV.png
[12:33:55] <zeeshan> i found a person who was very willing to help in their company
[12:33:57] <zeeshan> gave me that
[12:34:27] <CaptHindsight> nearly as fast as a trained monkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJj5O05ip1s
[12:37:38] <zeeshan> http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5447494-nutella-jar-caused-house-fire-say-firefighters/
[12:37:38] <zeeshan> wtf
[12:38:18] <archivist> 3 to watch it though!
[12:38:40] <PetefromTn_> LOL what the hell was that about
[12:38:48] <CaptHindsight> spontaneous combustion?
[12:39:46] <CaptHindsight> ah jar acts as lens causing light to focus on a combustible material
[12:39:58] <zeeshan> thats a bit scary
[12:39:59] <zeeshan> lol
[12:40:08] <CaptHindsight> no hazelnuts were harmed
[12:43:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/video/#!/news/local/WATCH--NJ-Gas-Explosion-Destroys-Home/293920291 Coulda been much worse!!
[12:48:09] <ssi> marn
[12:48:11] <CaptHindsight> but thats NJ, hardly considered destruction
[12:48:37] <moorbo> didnt 13 people get injured?
[12:48:37] <jthornton> http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/
[12:48:41] <moorbo> or something
[12:50:36] <ssi> that's impressive
[12:51:31] <_methods> hehe siemens retrofit offer
[12:53:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think 15 people were injured actually. Not making fun of that but damn it is not something you see everyday...
[12:53:59] <archivist> hmm free course Implementing Motor Control Designs with MCUs and FPGAs http://www.designnews.com/lecture-calendar.asp
[12:54:05] <zeeshan> has anyone worked with ccd cameras bnefore
[12:54:10] <zeeshan> interface wise
[12:54:31] <archivist> I plugged on into usb, does that count
[12:55:26] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:55:28] <zeeshan> no!
[12:55:33] <zeeshan> http://www.subtechnique.com/sony/PDFs/xc-7573e.pdf
[12:55:39] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out what the heck is going on here
[12:55:41] <archivist> ask a better question then :)
[12:56:07] <zeeshan> if you go to page 2
[12:56:14] <zeeshan> you can see the connectors it has
[12:56:49] <archivist> seems standard video on the bnc
[12:57:01] <zeeshan> so i just give 12vdc to pin 2
[12:57:05] <zeeshan> and ground pin 1
[12:57:13] <zeeshan> and connect bnc cable to a video capture card?
[12:57:33] <zeeshan> it looks like the lens needs some control too?
[12:58:18] <archivist> if you have an autofocus/auto iris yes
[12:59:41] <archivist> lens uses pk-pk to auto iris, and frequency response can be used for focus
[13:00:52] <archivist> plus you have external sync options so cameras are in phase with each other
[13:01:27] <zeeshan> okay so the lense struff doesnt need to be hooked up
[13:01:29] <zeeshan> to make it work
[13:01:41] * zeeshan is thinking buying this for inspection
[13:01:52] <archivist> no just adjust the lens for a nice image
[13:01:56] <zeeshan> yea
[13:02:34] <archivist> I dont like autofocus on video, but auto iris is less bad
[13:02:47] <_methods> http://www.congatec.com/products/pico-itx/conga-pa3.html
[13:03:13] <_methods> that's one bad little monkey
[13:06:50] <pcw_home> Thats a baytrail so about 2-3 x D525 performance
[13:07:58] <Jymmm> http://linuxgizmos.com/tough-pico-itx-sbc-runs-linux-on-quad-core-atom-e3800/
[13:08:03] <Jymmm> but no prices
[13:08:25] <_methods> yeah
[13:08:32] <_methods> if you have to ask.............
[13:08:59] <Jymmm> It's got GPIO, no need for MESA cards ;)
[13:09:05] <_methods> 2 pcie
[13:09:09] <_methods> but one is shared with msata
[13:09:14] <_methods> http://www.congatec.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Datasheets/conga-PA3.pdf
[13:09:37] <pcw_home> Heatsink picture is ommited
[13:09:53] <_methods> conveniently lol
[13:09:55] <Jymmm> Tou DO have to be careful with Intel LVDS though.
[13:10:05] <_methods> o
[13:10:11] <_methods> i've never actually used it
[13:10:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, they tend to make it a bit propritary
[13:11:27] <_methods> man these boards are getting incredibly small and powerful
[13:11:37] <Jymmm> Buttons/LEDs header, I like it!!!
[13:12:08] <Jymmm> The real BITCH about this, is the breakout cables/connectors.... NOT INCLUDED
[13:12:17] <_methods> oh waahh
[13:12:39] <Jymmm> and those thngs are fucking tinier than hell
[13:13:09] <Jymmm> Ooooooooh SIM CARD
[13:13:12] <pcw_home> Even data sheet doesnt show dimensions/heatsink, must just about cover entire bottom
[13:13:19] <_methods> yeah sim card too
[13:13:47] <_methods> yeah look at those through holes in teh center of the board
[13:14:00] <_methods> i'm assuming that's the heatsink screw holes
[13:14:59] <_methods> still at 100x72mm
[13:15:02] <_methods> hard to beat
[13:15:19] <_methods> crazy all that on that board
[13:15:19] <CaptHindsight> the congas are $200+
[13:16:00] <pcw_home> better off with a mini-itx if you can spare the space
[13:16:06] <Jymmm> The MAX 4MB bothers me
[13:16:47] <Jymmm> err 4GB
[13:16:54] <_methods> i don't need to make anything that small
[13:17:11] <Jymmm> SATA 6Gbps (no SATA power) <--- WTH
[13:17:52] <_methods> google upped their play music to 50,000 songs for free
[13:18:00] <pcw_home> A thin-mini-itx with 12V DC power is about 1/2 the price
[13:18:26] <_methods> yeah i'd be happy as hell with a miniitx with all that on it
[13:18:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah mini-itx should morph into 12V in only
[13:19:38] <pcw_home> yeah a bit silly to use ATX power supplies for a 10W board
[13:20:09] <zeeshan> 24vdc
[13:20:19] <zeeshan> where do you find 12v in industrial apps
[13:20:41] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157496&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-496-_-Product
[13:20:42] <CaptHindsight> 12-25vdc
[13:21:22] <_methods> quad core
[13:21:29] <_methods> for 117
[13:21:43] <PetefromTn_> _methods what do you mean for free?
[13:21:50] <_methods> is the atom the celeron now?
[13:22:01] <_methods> google play songs are upped to 50k for free
[13:22:08] <pcw_home> Yeah, thats what they call it
[13:22:11] <_methods> used to be 20k
[13:22:15] <PetefromTn_> can ya dl em?
[13:22:20] <_methods> no upload
[13:23:11] <_methods> pcw_home: is the j1900 the newest "atom" then?
[13:23:25] <_methods> they keep changin the damn names
[13:23:29] <PetefromTn_> never used google play songs don't know how it works.
[13:23:44] <_methods> me either i might now though
[13:23:57] <pcw_home> sort of ( " desktop" Baytrain atoms are J1800, J1900, J2900 )
[13:24:05] <pcw_home> Baytrail
[13:24:22] <Jymmm> _methods: You can upload 50,000 songs to gPlay and have them available everywhere
[13:24:30] <_methods> yeah
[13:24:43] <_methods> i have a couple d525 rigs that i've been really happy with
[13:24:51] <_methods> used for pfsense
[13:25:17] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFCjFCuMnwE THis guy is pretty funny..
[13:27:48] <_methods> so the z3530-3580 are different from the j1800-2900 how?
[13:28:30] <pcw_home> I think they are more for embedded/portable
[13:29:04] <pcw_home> more integrated
[13:29:09] <_methods> hmm
[13:29:12] <_methods> same size package
[13:29:39] <_methods> ahh there is uart on the atoms?
[13:29:43] <_methods> but not the celerons/
[13:29:47] <_methods> so confusing
[13:29:52] <pcw_home> LPDDR support
[13:30:48] <pcw_home> MIPI
[13:31:05] <pcw_home> smart phone/tablet stuff
[13:31:37] <_methods> so linuxcnc wise probably better to go with the celerons?
[13:32:19] <pcw_home> only thing I woudl worry about is "more advanced" power management
[13:36:43] <ssi> I got my $39 computers in the mail :D
[13:37:27] <_methods> damn that was quick
[13:37:30] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprint.com/46934/amazon-3d-printing-patent/ Amazon Files Patent for Mobile 3D Printing Delivery Trucks
[13:37:44] <_methods> i ended up just using one of my old htpc's that the chromecast made obsolete lol
[13:37:44] <ssi> free 2 day fedex
[13:37:53] <Jymmm> ssi: link?
[13:38:16] <CaptHindsight> have to combine 3d printers with drones now
[13:38:24] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[13:38:58] <ssi> I should get some 6i25s for these
[13:39:04] <ssi> they have 1 PCI slot but 3 PCIE
[13:41:10] <Jymmm> ssi: TY. SATA ports?
[13:42:07] <ssi> yeah looks like three sata ports
[13:42:13] <ssi> comes with a sata cdrom
[13:42:16] <ssi> no hard drive in it
[13:42:19] <ssi> I stuck a 120G ssd in it
[13:42:48] <Jymmm> http://cdn3.volusion.com/wafsx.utqdd/v/vspfiles/photos/437348-001-2.jpg?1387802031
[13:43:08] <Jymmm> Shit $40... you can't beat that
[13:43:09] <ssi> looks right
[13:43:12] <ssi> yeah seriously
[13:43:15] <ssi> especially free shipping
[13:43:17] <ssi> I bought two of them
[13:43:47] <Jymmm> how big is it?
[13:44:02] <ssi> uhm
[13:44:07] <Jymmm> 18x18x4 ?
[13:44:08] <ssi> ~12x16x3?
[13:44:10] <ssi> low profile
[13:44:34] <Jymmm> Hmmm
[13:44:55] <ssi> a little smaller than the dells I typically buy
[13:45:32] <Jymmm> front and rear sounds ports... I need a replacement media box, @ $40, I can have a spare on the shelf too
[13:45:56] <Jymmm> ssi: Have you tested your yet?
[13:46:03] <ssi> not yet
[13:46:25] <Jymmm> ssi: Please let me know when you have.
[13:46:31] <ssi> I certainly will
[13:46:40] <ssi> I'm gonna get this one running for the plasma table
[13:48:17] <Jymmm> ssi: HDD sits below ODD ?
[13:48:25] <ssi> below power supply
[13:48:32] <Jymmm> full 3.5" ?
[13:48:32] <ssi> below the cdrom is a spot for a floppy
[13:48:36] <ssi> you could put an hdd there if you want
[13:48:36] <ssi> yes
[13:49:41] <Jymmm> ssi: I HATE YOU
[13:49:46] <ssi> do you?
[13:49:59] <Jymmm> I'm like... do I get 2, 3, 4 or em?
[13:50:03] <ssi> haha
[13:50:04] <ssi> I got two
[13:50:11] <ssi> wouldn't cry about two more haha
[13:50:21] <Jymmm> they stack easily
[13:50:28] <Jymmm> great spares
[13:55:44] <miss0r|shop> meh... damn chinese new year. I want my parts now damnit!
[13:58:01] <LeelooMinai> miss0r|shop: I was considering hanging out a black flag with sad face outside my window every time Chinese new year starts:)
[13:58:29] <miss0r|shop> I can certainly relate
[13:58:43] <miss0r|shop> I had to buy new indexable inserts locally.
[13:58:47] <miss0r|shop> :'-(
[14:01:45] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: one more week :(
[14:04:55] <_methods> i hope they put my ballnuts on the boat before they started partying
[14:05:40] <anarchos3> I like doing my taxes when I get a refund ;)
[14:08:10] <PetefromTn_> heh I just finished mine going thru all the receipts and paypal stuff was time consuming.
[14:09:16] <anarchos3> i realized I need to wait until march 1st (or later depending on when the forms get send out) because you have to file the first 60 days of 2015's RRSP contribution along with 2014s filing
[14:09:29] <anarchos3> which i neglected to do last year, so i believe I can refile and get a larger refund
[14:10:16] <PetefromTn_> nice.. always nice to NOT have to pay.
[14:10:30] <PetefromTn_> If I did not have kids I would probably be paying now too..
[14:11:49] <anarchos3> I work seasonally, and do a metric ton of OT during the winter, so I'm taxed on the assumtion I'm making a ton per year, since the cheques are quite large during the winter. Then my summer income is $0 and they give me a ton of it back :P
[14:12:55] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had a TON of anything going on sigh...
[14:13:45] <CaptHindsight> start bundling those cnc machines with router, extruder, laser and ice cream scooper
[14:14:04] <PetefromTn_> you forgot cat food dispenser.
[14:14:18] <PetefromTn_> and automated ass scratcher
[14:14:35] <PetefromTn_> come to think of it I need one of those!
[14:14:40] <CaptHindsight> tennis ball shaver
[14:14:52] <PetefromTn_> pumpkin carver
[14:14:57] <anarchos3> heh. I'm hoping I can finish/polish my GIS system this summer while travelling and hawk it off to work as a "contractor" next fall.
[14:16:36] <anarchos3> They got me to make a new map, and then they hired these GIS "professionals" to take what I did and expand on it, but it turns out they dont know what they're doing at all. Worst part is the woman is the wife of one of the guys who works there, so no one wants to say that these GIS people are idiots and we're paying them for nothing....it's kinda weird.
[14:17:25] <anarchos3> so my plan is to complete what i started, in my own time, show up in the fall and be like "give me tons of money, please" ;-)
[14:19:27] <SpeedEvil> are you aware of the openstreetmap stack?
[14:20:32] <anarchos3> not exactly, no. i am aware of openstreetmap
[14:21:07] <SpeedEvil> There are a lot of useful GISy tools - opensource that can be used to make quite nice maps
[14:21:26] <SpeedEvil> From openstreetmap data - using the existing data or makign your own
[14:23:25] <anarchos3> I kind of looked into that and it didn't really fit what we need. basically i need a master database (postgresql+postgis) that's made with QGis mostly (major changes) and then the attributes updatable via google earth/embedded html popups, as well as data aquisition using GIS Pro on iPads...
[14:23:47] <anarchos3> so it seemed like OSM would work, but i found it easier to hack together some PHP scripts to tie it all together.
[14:24:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:26:07] <anarchos3> i have it all working, but it's very "hacky", so i plan on polishing it up, adding user management as well as ability to roll back changes and all that stuff, this summer.
[14:26:26] <anarchos3> any security expert would have a heart attack looking at the source of my code ATM
[14:27:01] <anarchos3> passing SQL queries via GET and POST, etc :P
[14:27:59] <miss0r|shop> Now I just wait for the correct size nema 23 and the ballscrews: http://picpaste.com/DSC_0055-TYAKNcPh.JPG
[14:29:42] <anarchos3> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4th-5th-Rotational-Axis-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-/161417226313?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2595376849
[14:30:17] <miss0r|shop> anarchos3: yeah I looked at that one. It looks realy flimsy to me
[14:30:35] <anarchos3> I was thinking of taking the basic concept of that and building my own
[14:30:45] <anarchos3> cast iron plate instead of aluminum
[14:30:54] <anarchos3> servos with brakes on them
[14:31:11] <miss0r|shop> indeed. I am sorry I can't stay. I need to get some food in me before I die ;) have a good one
[14:32:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/cnc-router-rotational-axis-the-4th-axis
[14:33:28] <_methods> you have one of those?
[14:34:10] <CaptHindsight> no, this is not show and tell
[14:34:22] <anarchos3> heh
[14:35:56] <anarchos3> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Rotational-Axis/261300446896?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620091118%26meid%3D9f7d32e9b1c74b3ca1c405fcef7bcbe5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D161417226313&rt=nc
[14:36:01] <anarchos3> also this style.
[14:36:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Trunnion-Table-For-Haas-Nikken-Tsudakoma-Troyke-4th-Axis-Rotary-Table-/201142202149 over kill for you but a good deal unless the bearing is siezed
[14:38:37] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: whenever I've tried those units (trunnions, rotary tables, routers) they all need to be rebuilt
[14:39:06] <CaptHindsight> careless assembly and no alignment at the factory
[14:39:15] <anarchos3> yeah for sure
[14:39:34] <anarchos3> i was more thinking about trying to build my own, just looking at ideas for small ones
[14:39:44] <CaptHindsight> I only use them for demo systems to show a concept
[14:40:02] <anarchos3> i really like the idea of the one that has the 5th axis belt actually arcing around through the side plate
[14:40:33] <anarchos3> seems like you could maximize your trunnion size that way, and not loose Z axis height by mounting the 5th motor underneath
[14:40:41] <CaptHindsight> I find harmonic drives for low prices on ebay
[14:41:30] <MrSunshine_> hmm anyone knwo what happened to the cam workbench for freecad ?
[14:42:31] <anarchos3> CaptHindsight, there's some chinese 4th axis's that claim to have used harmonic drives in them
[14:43:09] <CaptHindsight> yes, but I would expect them to also need a bit of tweaking
[14:45:44] <PetefromTn_> we need a #chinesemachinetooloverhaulin' channel
[14:45:51] <_methods> tv show
[14:47:00] <zeeshan> so trhat hyd cylind
[14:47:03] <zeeshan> costs $199 to replace
[14:47:07] <zeeshan> i think im just gonna buy it lol
[14:47:23] <zeeshan> it makes no sense to machine it and then pay $150 for hard chrome
[14:47:38] <zeeshan> will take 6 weeks to get, but thats ok
[14:48:17] <PCW> From Micron?
[14:48:41] <zeeshan> no, from ott-jakob
[14:48:45] <zeeshan> micron doesnt offer a replacement cylinder
[14:48:52] <zeeshan> or na replacement drawbar!
[14:48:58] <PCW> Is that who made the original?
[14:49:11] <zeeshan> yes most european machines use ott jakob drawbars
[14:49:22] <zeeshan> and a lot of machines that use hsk tool holders also use their drawbars
[14:49:28] <CaptHindsight> spring return, hydraulic actuator with how much force and stroke?
[14:49:33] <PCW> Not bad at all considering
[14:49:46] <CaptHindsight> if it bolts right in
[14:49:49] <zeeshan> mind you, this is jsut the hydraulic cylinder
[14:49:51] <zeeshan> none of the guts
[14:49:55] <zeeshan> if you want the guts, its another 2500$
[14:50:04] <zeeshan> but i dont need them cause mine are ok
[14:50:12] <PCW> do they have the washers?
[14:50:13] <CaptHindsight> oh, just the new body
[14:50:30] <zeeshan> washers are 75$ from manufacturer
[14:50:39] <zeeshan> seals are another $80
[14:50:49] <zeeshan> so basically 400 bux to rehaul this
[14:50:54] <zeeshan> vs pay 3000 for a new drawbare
[14:50:56] <Tom_itx> save the baby seals!!
[14:50:57] <Jymmm> ssi: When you get a chance can you CONFIRM 4 or 3 sata ports?
[14:51:04] <ssi> I only see three on the motherboard
[14:51:07] <ssi> two blue and a white
[14:51:11] <CaptHindsight> $2700 as a unit, $8700 in parts :)
[14:51:25] <PCW> still not bad ( well better if not needed... )
[14:51:38] <Jymmm> ssi: Yeah, me too in another pic... but the 770 not the 7800 http://www.northeastnetwork.com/ebayimages/Motherboards/437793_1.jpg
[14:51:53] <zeeshan> on the bright side a few of us learned something new in here :)
[14:52:01] <Jymmm> ssi: Err reverse that but with dvd-RW http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-dc7800-SFF-Intel-Core-2-Duo-E4500-2-20-GHz-RAM-2-GB-DVD-BURNER-/271610991364?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3d46d304
[14:52:06] <zeeshan> that ott jakobs with cam lock design + belleville washers is a safer design
[14:52:14] <zeeshan> than just belleville stacks
[14:52:19] <ssi> it doesn't actually say dc7800 on it anywhere fwiw
[14:52:20] <Connor> zeeshan: So, what's wrong with the power drawbar ?
[14:52:31] <zeeshan> broken stacks
[14:52:34] <ssi> on the back it says MXL8180JY6
[14:52:35] <zeeshan> scored cylinder
[14:52:44] <zeeshan> easy to fix , just need parts
[14:52:45] <Jymmm> ssi: mobo alone... http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DC7800-Small-Form-Factor-SFF-Motherboard-437793-001-/140609281259
[14:52:51] <Connor> OKay. Cool.
[14:53:27] <zeeshan> i spent a few hours yesterday reverse engineering their stuff on the shadowgraph
[14:53:39] <zeeshan> was a learning experience :p
[14:54:20] <Jymmm> ssi: 2.2+RW or 2.3+ no RW same price
[14:54:30] <ssi> gotcha
[14:54:45] <ssi> this one is a 2.33, no RW
[14:55:14] <Jymmm> A) HP dc7800 SFF Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20 GHz RAM 2 GB DVD BURNER
[14:55:49] <Jymmm> B) HP dc7800 SFF Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33 GHz RAM 2GB DVD-DRIVE. No Hard Drive
[14:56:14] <Jymmm> let me lookup the cpu specs...
[14:57:10] <Jymmm> Intel Core2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33GHz = 1510
[14:58:04] <Jymmm> Intel Core2 Duo E4500 @ 2.20GHz = 1268
[14:58:27] <Jymmm> higher is better cpi marks.
[14:58:32] <Jymmm> cpu*
[14:58:53] <moorbo> I think my phone has better specs
[14:59:10] <Jymmm> moorbo: for $40 with free shipping?
[14:59:24] <moorbo> not for that low
[14:59:28] <moorbo> but getting close ;p
[14:59:38] <ssi> can you stick a mesa card in your phone and run a cnc machine?
[14:59:56] <moorbo> I can run a cnc machine with it
[15:00:00] <moorbo> but not put in a mesa card
[15:01:22] <Jymmm> Intel Atom D525 @ 1.80GHz = 694
[15:01:41] <Rab> Watch out for the DC7800P ultra slim version, it doesn't have an external parport. Not sure if there's a header on the MB.
[15:01:54] <ssi> the ones I got have a parport, but I don't need it
[15:02:03] <Jymmm> Rab: these do have the port =)
[15:02:33] <_methods> parallel card is like $11
[15:02:38] <Jymmm> Ok, so this C2D is almost 3xx better cpi than the Atom D525
[15:02:47] <Jymmm> cpu*
[15:03:27] <Jymmm> ssi: You're an asshole! damnit! lol
[15:03:38] <ssi> totes
[15:03:46] <Jymmm> 4, 6, 8 ???? argh!!!
[15:03:52] <ssi> all the computers
[15:04:29] <Jymmm> I mean shit, I could buy spares for the shelf even, cheaper than anything I could ever repair
[15:04:50] <Jymmm> not even a sata /db25 cable is that cheap
[15:04:52] <ssi> don't buy them all up!
[15:05:07] <Jymmm> No, I won't, though I might want to
[15:05:10] <Jymmm> =)
[15:05:17] <_methods> those were a pcw spot
[15:05:26] <Jymmm> Like lil mionons, I'll aint them yellow and one eye
[15:05:31] <Jymmm> paint*
[15:05:50] <Jymmm> Fuck, even spare DVD-RW drives aren't that cheap
[15:06:19] <Jymmm> Mind you, I have a crapload of hdd's already
[15:06:24] <ssi> I used to
[15:06:28] <ssi> but I turned them all into slag :D
[15:07:05] <Jymmm> I WISH it had 4 sata ports though
[15:11:00] <skunkworks> /dev/md127 20T 3.4T 16T 18%
[15:11:12] <_methods> hehe
[15:11:14] <_methods> plenty of room
[15:11:20] <_methods> hello porn
[15:11:24] <skunkworks> not done copying yet...
[15:11:36] <_methods> fill'r'up
[15:11:41] <ssi> I have a couple of those :P
[15:11:59] <ssi> the server I have in a datacenter is a 8x2T raid6 that I built back in 2011
[15:12:13] <skunkworks> this is 8X3tb
[15:12:24] <furrywolf> I bought a 2tb external backup drive a couple months ago. I think it's larger than the sum of most of the drives I've ever owned.
[15:12:28] <ssi> my old raids are 14x500G, have two of those here
[15:13:30] * furrywolf doesn't need that much space
[15:13:42] <skunkworks> *work related...
[15:13:57] <ssi> mine's personal, but it's for app hosting
[15:14:08] <_methods> mine's for porn
[15:14:18] * furrywolf doesn't have any porn
[15:14:35] <skunkworks> everyone needs a hobby...
[15:14:40] <_methods> hehe
[15:15:03] <Rab> Jymmm, your frenzy was contagious...just bought one.
[15:15:20] <Jymmm> Rab: which?
[15:15:46] <Rab> The 2.33 without DVD-RW.
[15:15:54] <Jymmm> ah, why?
[15:16:23] <Rab> I've been screwing around with Machinekit for the BeagleBone Black and I'm fed up!
[15:16:43] <ssi> haha yeah that way lies madness, sadly
[15:16:49] <ssi> these are cheaper than beaglebones :'(
[15:16:58] <Rab> It's undeniable.
[15:17:28] <Rab> Plus, should be fast enough to add some features like a webcam to monitor the tool.
[15:17:29] <_methods> ahh but it's so cool they are the future man
[15:17:43] <skunkworks> Rab, seemed like a good idea at the time? ;)
[15:18:07] <Rab> skunkworks, intriguing at least.
[15:18:51] <ssi> it's something to hack on
[15:18:56] <ssi> which is a value in itself :)
[15:18:58] <Rab> The BBB is working fine, it's just slow. I might use it for a less demanding motion platform.
[15:19:16] <Rab> Or logic analyzer, or any number of other projects.
[15:20:16] <skunkworks> if they get the gui totally separated from the realtime - it will probably work fine. (but then you need 2 devices to run a machine...)
[15:20:29] <Praesmeodymium-l> I installed linucnc on this laptop originally hoping it might be big enough to do anything useful beyond we browse... is a jitter of 4million bad :p
[15:20:44] <_methods> hahaha
[15:20:50] <_methods> not at all
[15:22:10] <Rab> skunkworks, right. Could use a laptop that's unsuited for r/t as a console, though.
[15:22:21] <ssi> or a tablet
[15:22:27] <ssi> that you can carry from machine to machine
[15:23:39] <MacGalempsy_> hello
[15:24:45] <Rab> The big dealbreaker was finding out that the realtime components like stepgen were rewritten specifically for the BBB PRU (obviously), but weren't used the same way as the LinuxCNC components and were missing features.
[15:25:08] <ssi> see what I wanted to do was come up with a cape with an s6lx9 on it and a pair of 26 pin headers
[15:25:13] <ssi> basically a 5i25 for bbb
[15:25:33] <ssi> but I quit working on it because there was little interest and issues with the gui
[15:25:54] <CaptHindsight> Rab: http://linuxgizmos.com/freescales-popular-i-mx6-soc-sprouts-a-cortex-m4-mcu/ 1Ghz ARM A9 + 200MHz cortex-M4 core and dual GB ethernet, if the M4 can access the GPIO this could do what the BBB does and drive a high res GUI
[15:26:18] <Rab> CaptHindsight, interesting.
[15:26:22] <CaptHindsight> how much work to take the stepgen and make it work with a similar ARM soc?
[15:26:58] <CaptHindsight> dual core A8/9 with a separate M4 micro for stepping?
[15:26:59] <Rab> I dunno, it's coded in PRU asm.
[15:27:04] <CaptHindsight> ah
[15:27:14] <Rab> So I assume it's very specific to that TI product.
[15:27:14] <CaptHindsight> at least it was optimized
[15:27:31] <ssi> yes, very
[15:27:50] <Rab> I would also like to experiment with servo control, and that's apparently bleeding-edge untested in Machinekit.
[15:28:30] <CaptHindsight> another option, modify Linuxcnc stepgen to work in the M4
[15:29:13] <Rab> Is the stepgen all C or is there inline x86 asm?
[15:29:33] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to look, maybe someone else knows off the top of their head
[15:30:29] <ssi> hostmot stepgen is such a better option :)
[15:31:30] <CaptHindsight> don't think that the imx6 will drop to $5ea
[15:32:30] <ssi> it would also be easy to spin a board with an imx6 and a s6lx9 and have integrated machine with superports for mesa daughterboards
[15:33:11] <CaptHindsight> yes since it also has PCIe
[15:33:11] <Rab> If the BBB proved anything, it's that there's a large market for integrators (ie 3D printer and desktop mill mfgs) who are looking for a very small hardware platform with RT i/o. There was a pretty good shortage for a while.
[15:33:38] <CaptHindsight> I just use x86 for that
[15:33:47] <_methods> ^^
[15:33:52] <_methods> $39 free shipping
[15:34:25] <ssi> yeah but size/power/solidstateyness is a desirable feature too
[15:34:55] <CaptHindsight> the only interest was if a board with $5 arm soc could replace a $50 x86 mini-itx board well enough
[15:34:56] <ssi> I did a big integration project where we had a hundred shipping containers welded together and each container had a nema box with a bbb and cape I designed in it for environmental control
[15:35:04] <ssi> using a dc7800 per container would be a nightmare
[15:35:39] <_methods> my point is related to linuxcnc
[15:35:56] <ssi> so is mine in a roundabout way
[15:36:15] <ssi> especially when you get down to small machines like 3d printers and desktop routers, being able to miniaturize the control host is desirable
[15:36:32] <SpeedEvil> edison!
[15:36:33] <ssi> obviously for a 10klb vmc its less beneficial
[15:36:35] <SpeedEvil> (kidding)
[15:36:39] <_methods> and that i understand and it's fun to do it just because
[15:36:41] <CaptHindsight> imx6 also has the GPU power for the GUI
[15:37:01] <_methods> but you can get miniaturized systems that provide what you want you just have to pay accordingly
[15:37:41] <_methods> like that conga board
[15:37:50] <_methods> same footprint as a bbb and does 1000x more
[15:37:52] <Rab> Budget is a problem for a <$2K machine.
[15:37:57] <_methods> but it costs 1000x more lol
[15:39:14] <_methods> well we all know in the end you pay one way or another.....with your wallet or your time
[15:40:04] <CaptHindsight> it's surprising to me how little value some people place on their time
[15:40:23] <CaptHindsight> save $25 by writing 100 hours of code
[15:40:31] <_methods> hehe
[15:40:31] <ssi> don't neglect the value some people put on the joy of hackery
[15:40:38] <ssi> and learning
[15:40:43] <_methods> back to my just because statement
[15:40:49] <_methods> which is a great reason
[15:40:57] <_methods> i do it to myself quite often lol
[15:41:18] <ssi> I'm the idiot who built a $50k machine shop because he didn't want to pay someone $50 to cut an instrument panel
[15:41:24] <_methods> i think we all fall into the have fun hacking part
[15:41:30] <ssi> but I'm a far better human being because of the work I've done
[15:41:40] <CaptHindsight> how to get people interested in overthrowing oligarchs in their spare time?
[15:41:57] <Rab> ssi, have you cut 1000 panels?
[15:42:03] <ssi> nope
[15:42:10] <CaptHindsight> stepgen is all in C
[15:42:17] <ssi> I only cut one, and I ended up doing it manually on a mill because it ended up being carbon fiber
[15:45:57] <CaptHindsight> FPGA prices keep falling as well
[15:46:02] <ssi> yep
[15:46:06] <_methods> indeed
[15:46:12] <ssi> and the s6lx9 is VERY cheap
[16:15:26] <Deejay> gn8
[16:24:08] <dirty_d> got this cad program working on linux pretty well https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace-linux-fixes
[16:24:19] <dirty_d> better than freecad
[16:24:37] <CaptHindsight> I only view files in Freecad
[16:24:51] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d: what problems do you have with freecad?
[16:29:11] <dirty_d> CaptHindsight, external geometry is completely broken
[16:30:00] <dirty_d> if you go back and edit a sketch, the edges get renamed and it rearranges the sketches that depend on uit pretty randomly
[16:35:17] <Cromaglious> well I blew up my breakout board and just ordered 2 more
[16:35:46] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d: good to know, I only edit with NX, SW, Creo etc
[16:35:55] <CaptHindsight> but other will have problems
[16:37:23] <Connor> Cromaglious: How did you blow up your BOB ?
[16:38:40] <dirty_d> yea, freecad isnt truly parametric, its only parametric within the scope of a single sketch
[16:38:53] <dirty_d> until they fix the naming problem
[16:39:09] <dirty_d> solvespace seems to be completely parametric, haven't ran into any problems yet
[16:45:29] <Cromaglious> Connor, yup sure did... zapped it with 19vdc some how
[16:45:39] <Cromaglious> hiya bobo
[16:45:51] <Cromaglious> so which Airprt has the code BOB
[16:45:58] <bobo_> Hi
[16:46:06] <Cromaglious> which is better than BOR
[16:46:46] <bobo_> no idea
[16:46:50] <Cromaglious> Bora Bora
[16:47:14] <bobo_> are we there yet
[16:48:07] <Cromaglious> In the stage show COmpleat works of William Shakespeare (abridged) The lighting guy is Bob, and one of the actors runs off and we changed it he was at the Airport trying to get on a plane to BOB
[16:48:35] <Cromaglious> when he comes back in carrying a backpack with a lugage tag labeled BOB
[16:49:29] <Cromaglious> anytime a audience member comes on stage they get thier name and there after call them Bob
[16:49:45] <bobo_> oh yes good old bill shakey-spear
[16:52:38] <bobo_> stupid me --- chose to go tripping thru life in idiot parameter-------should have listened
[16:59:17] <bobo_> Cromaglious let's get the whining started ---what is the weather now on the left coast
[16:59:54] <anarchos3> CaptHindsight, have you tried Fusion 360? Kinda dumb the "cloud" stuff, but it's pretty neat otherwise. Free for "startups" (which according to their docs include hobbyists) for a year and comes with HSMWorks capable of 3+2 milling
[17:00:03] <Cromaglious> nice and sunny 72 in the house with no heater on
[17:01:00] <Cromaglious> grrr what's the shortcut for getting a git clone going
[17:01:04] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: nope, I just stick to what works. I don;t care much for Inventor or Autocad
[17:02:18] <Cromaglious> git:// DOH!
[17:02:32] <anarchos3> I was never a big fan of Inventor, but this is quite nice. I think I like it better than SW...but i am very much a beginner, so not sure about advanced features and whatnot, but for basic stuff the layout is quite nice
[17:03:34] <dirty_d> is that free?
[17:03:45] <Praesmeodymium-l> for NC use yup
[17:04:32] <Praesmeodymium-l> I am using fusion 360 for mocking up a laser cutter and seeng if I can get it all to fit
[17:04:54] <dirty_d> its cad?
[17:05:12] <dirty_d> or like more assembly or whatever you'd call it
[17:05:12] <Praesmeodymium-l> yup
[17:05:26] <Praesmeodymium-l> its solid object modeling
[17:05:34] <Praesmeodymium-l> drag drop type in a number
[17:05:36] <dirty_d> is it 3d parametric?
[17:06:03] <Praesmeodymium-l> not really
[17:06:53] <anarchos3> according to Autodesk it is fully parametric as of a year ago
[17:07:07] <Praesmeodymium-l> ok then I just havent figured that out yet
[17:07:33] <dirty_d> hmm, i see free trial, but not free
[17:07:39] <Praesmeodymium-l> theres a ton of video... I should probably watch at least 1
[17:08:16] <anarchos3> dirty_d: download trial, look in upper right corner where it says "30 days left" and then click that, and then click on "startup" use and it's unlocked for a year
[17:08:25] <dirty_d> ahh
[17:08:26] <anarchos3> dirty_d: plus they claim you can renew in a year
[17:08:42] <dirty_d> does it criple it in any way?
[17:08:46] <anarchos3> nope
[17:08:48] <dirty_d> sweet
[17:08:51] <dirty_d> installing it now
[17:09:02] <anarchos3> the best part is the HSMWorks CAM
[17:09:09] <dirty_d> wow it has cam too?
[17:09:21] <anarchos3> you can get HSMExpress for free for SW/Inventor, but that's limited to 2.5D
[17:09:37] <anarchos3> this is full HSMWorks
[17:09:43] <anarchos3> dirty_d: yup
[17:10:19] <dirty_d> i dunno how i havent heard of this before
[17:10:30] <dirty_d> ive been looking everywhere for a decent free cad/cam
[17:11:25] <anarchos3> it's $40/mo for the "crippled" 2.5D version, or $100/mo for what you are getting for free for non-commercial use, if you do anything commercial
[17:11:31] <anarchos3> which seems pretty reasonable, really.
[17:11:44] <dirty_d> yea im not gonna argue with that
[17:12:07] <dirty_d> and even then, if you were making money off it, $100/mo is awesome
[17:12:42] <Cromaglious> ok wifes car has a new to me dor lock switch
[17:12:54] <dirty_d> missed the damn package with my stepper drivers
[17:13:10] <anarchos3> they had a deal too, which hopefully comes back at somepoint, of $40/mo for the 2.5D version, but free upgrade to the full 3D version, for free, as long as you didn't let anything lapse
[17:13:31] <tjtr33> theres 2 designs on those cheap aluminum 'AB' axis. http://goo.gl/FQ6A4B http://goo.gl/m9Yu8Z
[17:13:33] <tjtr33> one has C motor inside the B supports, other is outside. both are belt drive, so the one has an arc routed thru one support so the belt can go thru.
[17:13:47] <anarchos3> which i might concider if that deal ever comes back...$40/mo for a commercial licence of HSMWorks alone (which is $8-10k for SW) is a killer deal
[17:14:43] <ssi> I want to spend some time with fusion
[17:14:46] <anarchos3> tjtr33: I think i like the design of the first one.
[17:14:49] <ssi> but the cloudyness of it sucks for me
[17:14:52] <ssi> since I have the WORST internet now
[17:15:00] <anarchos3> ssi: it works for 30 days without any connection
[17:15:05] <anarchos3> apparently
[17:15:17] <ssi> when I used it last, it got really laggy when our internet got spotty
[17:16:08] <anarchos3> tjtr33: i might try to design one and make it out of cast iron plate...i got the go ahead to use the plasma cnc at work :D
[17:16:17] <tjtr33> i nee the yoke to be deeper, allowing a spindle mounted where the rotary table is
[17:16:19] <tjtr33> need
[17:16:24] <Cromaglious> I was looking at a 7" Z for 165 out of washington state
[17:18:46] <_methods> it works offline fine
[17:19:01] <_methods> it downloads all to your computer
[17:19:18] <_methods> the cloud part is basically just it checkin in and files
[17:20:37] <dirty_d> hmm, where the heck is the length constraint?
[17:21:53] <dirty_d> oh, there it is
[17:24:27] <dirty_d> its crazy slow in my VM
[17:25:45] <ssi> running fusion again
[17:25:51] <ssi> the login screen is SUPER LAGGY
[17:26:49] <dirty_d> i think virtualbox said something about my graphics card not being detected when i started it a few days ago, gonna restart and see if it works now
[17:26:52] <ssi> everything about it is super laggy :(
[17:27:15] <ssi> and I don't see a "startup" option
[17:27:22] <ssi> just the $40/mo plan or the $130/mo plan
[17:27:47] <anarchos3> it works pretty snapily on my POS computer. little nettop with 4gb of ram and like a dual core atom processor and windows 7.
[17:28:25] <ssi> it's funny because I'm running it natively and it's slower than running solidworks in a windows vm
[17:28:36] <tjtr33> anarchos2, vismach running gcode thru linuxcnc of deep yoke trunnion http://ibin.co/1sv2WXkVti7c
[17:28:36] <ssi> the only reason I would bother with it is because i can run it natively
[17:28:36] <tjtr33> it can do true circles outside of G17 G18 G19 planes
[17:29:44] <dirty_d> i guess it would have helped if i gave it more than 25MB of video memory too
[17:37:50] <_methods> it's probably downloading updates when it's laggy
[17:38:43] <_methods> i think in the uppr right corner you can put it in offline mode if i remember right
[17:39:19] <_methods> it just downloads updates and doesn't say anything
[17:39:54] <_methods> most of it isn't too bad but the assembly mates are very strange
[17:40:07] <_methods> and the drawings suck
[17:40:18] <_methods> you can't make anything but the simplest drawings
[17:40:52] <_methods> but the toolpathing.....absolutely insane for that price tag
[17:41:16] <dirty_d> crap, now it just crashes when its starting
[17:42:32] <dirty_d> i did enable 3d acceleration in virtualbox, maybe thats why
[17:42:52] <dirty_d> gonna try enabling the expermental direct3d support for the hell of it
[17:43:05] <_methods> i only ever got it running in vmware
[17:43:13] <_methods> i never could get it to run in virtualbox
[17:43:17] <_methods> kept crashin on me
[17:43:41] <ssi> I hate trials
[17:43:47] <ssi> I installed it long ago and messed with it for like three minutes
[17:43:50] <ssi> and my trial is now expired
[17:43:54] <ssi> and I can't seem to find a startup option
[17:45:09] <dirty_d> it was there when i clicked on "30 days remaining"
[17:45:19] <ssi> right
[17:45:20] <dirty_d> after you click register for free something
[17:45:24] <ssi> I don't have any days remaining :)
[17:45:35] <_methods> new email
[17:45:46] <ssi> sure, but what a tremendous pain in the ass
[17:45:49] <_methods> yeah
[17:45:57] <dirty_d> you only need to use the email once, lol
[17:46:20] <ssi> I have something up there that says "Free period has ended"
[17:46:26] <ssi> and it opens a window which gives me three paid options
[17:46:30] <ssi> and that's all I can make it do
[17:47:02] <_methods> well it's honestly not worth paying for
[17:47:17] <_methods> if i was going to pay for something i'd get inventor or solidworks
[17:47:21] <_methods> free for it is ok
[17:47:34] <_methods> or $40/month is doable i would think
[17:47:42] <ssi> I'm certainly not going to pay for it if it's this laggy always
[17:47:56] <dirty_d> _methods, why do the drawings suck?
[17:48:10] <_methods> try making a drawing and you'll see
[17:48:44] <MacGalempsy> evening all
[17:48:49] <_methods> hola
[17:49:12] <dirty_d> i will if it ever finishes loading, lol
[17:50:27] <_methods> you can't add sheets to the drawings and you had like 3 dimension options
[17:50:40] <ssi> yeah, same thing
[17:50:43] <dirty_d> you cant sketch on arbitrary faces?
[17:50:44] <_methods> linear dimension, arc dimension and something else useless
[17:50:49] <ssi> new account, blue box says "Free period ends in 30 days"
[17:50:53] <ssi> clicking that gives me three paid options
[17:51:02] <dirty_d> still laggy as shit
[17:51:51] <dirty_d> hmm, cant seem to use the symetry constraint on the axis lines
[17:52:21] <_methods> yeah it's pretty rough around the edges for something they want people to pay for
[17:52:55] <dirty_d> actually the framerate is better, but the input lag is horrible
[17:53:25] <dirty_d> like the line cursor tool thing trails way behind the mouse cursor
[18:01:27] <dirty_d> actually the video performance is really good, its just the input
[18:11:13] <Cromaglious> hmmm getting a MemRealloc error on solvespace looks to be a gtk include
[18:13:53] <anarchos3> http://i.imgur.com/rA6lkNy.png
[18:14:09] <anarchos3> my 10 minute trunnion table :P
[18:16:40] <Cromaglious> no rotary table in the middle?
[18:16:54] <ssi> give him another ten minutes, jeez
[18:16:55] <anarchos3> it's a work in progress
[18:16:57] <anarchos3> heh
[18:17:25] <anarchos3> i need to figure out exactly how I'm going to draw the arc for the belt to run in
[18:18:30] <Cromaglious> hmmm 2 circles isn't there a snap line to arc
[18:20:59] <anarchos3> hmm, the distance from the centre of my shaft to the bottom of the moving table is 1.75"
[18:21:46] <anarchos3> so if i draw an arc with a radius of 1.75 and then an arc with a radius of 2.5 (shaft to top of stationary table is 2.5), i think i can do it
[18:25:43] <Cromaglious> hmmm MemRealloc isn't in /usr/include/*
[18:32:25] <tjtr33> anarchos, what angular resolution do you try for?
[18:33:44] <tjtr33> with steppers and belts, it crude. with HD or worm it can be high even with steppers. simplest in some ways is encoder and servo
[18:34:25] <_methods> does anyone sell a good servo kit? or are you better off just piecing it all together?
[18:34:51] <ssi> I haven't found any good small servos that you can buy reliably
[18:35:02] <ssi> if you want like 1kw servos, there are kits out there for $1500/axis or so
[18:35:24] <ssi> but no inexpensive NEMA23-sized servo kits that I've found
[18:35:27] <_methods> yeah i was trying to find small
[18:35:30] <_methods> that sux
[18:35:48] <_methods> i guess i'll just slowly piece it all together
[18:36:09] <_methods> just watch ebay
[18:36:35] <ssi> that's how I do it
[18:36:37] <_methods> are these electrocraft servos any good?
[18:37:55] <_methods> looks like nema42's seem to be common
[18:38:54] <anarchos> i have never used them, but ive read good stuff abotu DMM servos
[18:39:47] <anarchos> tjtr33: I'm thinking 180, or even a bit more
[18:39:50] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST went with DMM servos on both my machines hehe
[18:40:36] <anarchos> http://www.dmm-tech.com/multiaxissolutions2.html
[18:40:52] <_methods> did you buy a full kit PetefromTn_
[18:41:02] <anarchos> according to cncfusion forums you can just call them and they'll set you up with a kit of whatever size you need
[18:41:17] <Praesmeodymium-l> hmm maybe I cant afford this hobby yet lol
[18:41:47] <_methods> servos are just silly expensive this hobby isn't bad as long as you stick to steppers
[18:42:12] <PetefromTn_> I didn't buy anything from them actually but I was torn between those and the Teco motors and drives. their price came in slightly higher plus Canadian to US shipping so I went with Machmotion and the Teco stuff..
[18:42:30] <anarchos> canadian dollar is tanking, so might be cheaper these days
[18:42:35] <_methods> and you bought a full kit right?
[18:42:39] <_methods> would you do it again?
[18:44:00] <PetefromTn_> who?
[18:44:14] <_methods> you
[18:44:46] <PetefromTn_> I just said I did not wind up buying anything from DMM but I almost did.
[18:44:53] <_methods> no the teco kit
[18:45:04] <_methods> that's what you got right
[18:45:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah they are pretty damn nice so far...
[18:45:12] <_methods> so you're happy with it then
[18:45:19] <PetefromTn_> There is no such thing as a kit from them
[18:45:24] <_methods> ahh
[18:45:27] <PetefromTn_> but I did buy matched motors and servo drives
[18:45:40] <PetefromTn_> and they were ordered complete with premade cables and ends
[18:45:48] <_methods> sounds like a kit to me lol
[18:45:54] <ssi> lol
[18:45:56] <PetefromTn_> and they sort of pre-tune them so it works for MOST stuff
[18:46:06] <_methods> how much was all that?
[18:46:08] <PetefromTn_> Okay then I guess it was a kit then
[18:46:14] <PetefromTn_> about $1k per axis
[18:46:15] <_methods> how many motors and drivers?
[18:46:34] <PetefromTn_> 3 axes
[18:46:35] <ssi> 1 per axis :P
[18:46:38] <_methods> hehe
[18:46:40] <_methods> k
[18:47:29] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I did wrong Is I should have waited until they got the larger Z motor in stock but I was impatient as usual.
[18:47:30] <anarchos> i like the idea of DMMs Dyn4 driver. AC110-220 input, 1 or 3 phase, so basically just hook it up to the mains, no PSU
[18:47:51] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-SERVO-1KW-750W-3-AXIS-KIT-DRIVER-MOTOR-MR-J2S-70A-CNC-ROUTER-WORKING-/281130058356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4174a84274
[18:48:01] <PetefromTn_> that DMM drive is what I was looking at actually as I recall.
[18:48:25] <XXCoder> heys
[18:48:34] <PetefromTn_> thats a good deal but those are used parts
[18:48:58] <XXCoder> nemo motors?
[18:49:02] <XXCoder> if so looks big
[18:49:31] <_methods> yeah i can live with used
[18:49:40] <_methods> i just want to play with servos
[18:50:02] <PetefromTn_> if I wanted used I would have just kept the ones that were in the machine...
[18:50:15] <XXCoder> even low usage?
[18:50:43] <PetefromTn_> how are you going to determine what low usage means?
[18:50:45] <_methods> yeah you're in a diff situation you need yours to work lol
[18:50:49] <_methods> i'm just playing
[18:51:00] <PetefromTn_> Oh then disregard ;)
[18:51:08] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: hmm when guy states that I guess
[18:51:19] <XXCoder> dunno if would be truthful though lol
[18:51:34] <_methods> i would buy new too if i needed functional 100%
[18:51:43] <PetefromTn_> just playing I would do steppers but I think people underestimate the TOTAL costs of steppers to servos a lot..
[18:51:55] <ssi> those mitsu servos would run a pretty big machine
[18:52:00] <_methods> yeah
[18:52:07] <PetefromTn_> those servos would run my machine actually
[18:52:16] <ssi> yep
[18:52:22] <_methods> i will probably run my plasma on those
[18:52:23] <XXCoder> ricious overkill for my machine
[18:52:34] <ssi> I wouldn't use anything near that big on a plasma
[18:52:41] <PetefromTn_> depending on the NM ratings
[18:52:42] <_methods> plasma router
[18:52:56] <ssi> how does one route plasma
[18:53:04] <_methods> hahah attach router to z axis
[18:53:08] <PetefromTn_> my motors are all 1kw
[18:53:15] <Cromaglious> ugh not getting solvespace to compile
[18:53:24] <ssi> plasma/router is a crappy combination
[18:53:30] <ssi> you're much better off with two tables
[18:53:35] <XXCoder> dual head plama/router cne lol
[18:53:36] <_methods> not as bad as a waterjet plasma lol
[18:53:45] <ssi> actually waterjet plasma sounds better
[18:53:48] <_methods> no
[18:53:51] <_methods> it's horrible
[18:53:53] <ssi> why
[18:53:54] <_methods> trust me
[18:53:56] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure I would agree with that but you have both so I bow to your experience
[18:54:02] <_methods> waterjet mess alllllll over
[18:54:06] <ssi> at least they both have water involved
[18:54:20] <ssi> problem with plasma/router is you really want a water table for plasma
[18:54:27] <ssi> and water and mdf don't mix :)
[18:54:35] <_methods> no doubt
[18:54:38] <XXCoder> router dont have to be mdf
[18:54:49] <ssi> no, but mdf is a common thing to route
[18:54:54] <PetefromTn_> if I ever build a big table it will undoubtably be both a CNC router and plasma table
[18:55:01] <ssi> furthermore, routers like to have vacuum beds
[18:55:08] <ssi> so you have these two very drastically different beds
[18:55:10] <XXCoder> vacuum ugh
[18:55:14] <XXCoder> I hte those
[18:55:22] <ssi> and swapping them out is 90% of the pain in the ass of just having two machines
[18:55:27] <XXCoder> clamps is king
[18:55:35] <ssi> if you absolutely had to do that, I'd say make a motion frame that sits on top of a table
[18:55:48] <ssi> then two tables, one water table and one vacuum table
[18:55:53] <ssi> move the motion frame back and forth
[18:56:05] <ssi> that's the "I have the space for two machines but I'm too much a brokeass to build two machines" plan
[18:56:05] <Praesmeodymium-l> any sites with good reading on a diy aluminum router/mill?
[18:56:27] <_methods> cnczone?
[18:56:30] <malcom2073> Praesmeodymium-l: cnczone has a bunch of decent topics on that
[18:56:31] <ssi> and after about a month of swapping htem back and forth you'll find the money to build a second motion frame :)
[18:56:33] <_methods> plenty of buildlogs there
[18:56:36] <malcom2073> What size, and what are you looking to cut with it?
[18:56:50] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium-l: look for "cnc 8020:" for good ideas too
[18:56:58] <XXCoder> it uses 8020 beams
[18:57:00] <ssi> and is it a router made of aluminum, or something with which to route aluminum?
[18:57:00] <Cromaglious> I'm seeing the virtue of having a slant bed router/plasma.. with the bed at 60 degrees against a wall
[18:57:10] <tjtr33> made of aluminum or able to cut aluminum?
[18:57:19] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: how do it hold water
[18:57:21] <ssi> Cromaglious: stuck with downdraft exhaust in that case
[18:57:27] <ssi> unless you can make a slant-bed water table somehow :D
[18:57:34] <ssi> spin the whole thing in a centrifuge I guess
[18:57:37] <malcom2073> ssi: Centrifugal tube!
[18:57:40] <malcom2073> have the whole room spin
[18:57:43] <Praesmeodymium-l> I was looking at cutting aluminum was the theory dependng on price to get there for a relatively small build
[18:57:44] <ssi> there ya go
[18:58:03] <tjtr33> steel framed machine to cut alum
[18:58:16] <Cromaglious> in a trough on the floor... back against the wall is metal
[18:58:20] <XXCoder> tjtr33: actually alum frame cnc can cut alum
[18:58:33] <Praesmeodymium-l> I saw the shapeoko cut aluminum and thought... thats not good enough in any way shape or form
[18:59:01] <tjtr33> XXCoder, opinions and viewpoint, I would not do it.
[18:59:12] <ssi> cheapers gonna cheap
[18:59:17] <Cromaglious> make it easy to tilt a vacuum/router table onto wheels and roll it away
[18:59:20] <XXCoder> possibky, depends on some factors
[18:59:22] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-200W-AC-SERVO-DRIVER-MOTOR-MR-J2S-20A-HC-KFS23-3-AXIS-CNC-PACKAGE-3-/281136641233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41750cb4d1
[18:59:27] <_methods> that one has 200w servos
[18:59:36] <_methods> i can live with $1200 too
[18:59:38] <XXCoder> 8020 frame to cut reaqlly thick alum? probably not good idea
[18:59:48] <ssi> give it a shot
[18:59:56] <ssi> XXCoder: thickness doesn't matter
[18:59:59] <XXCoder> heyy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJuOzobtJAU
[19:00:12] <XXCoder> thats different gantry design thaqt most I saw
[19:00:19] <ssi> a limp machine is going to have to cut slow
[19:00:31] <XXCoder> yea
[19:00:32] <ssi> you can cut aluminum but it'll take a month to make anything significant
[19:00:38] <XXCoder> month not so much
[19:00:40] <tjtr33> you should be able to find 3x400W for 1200$ used
[19:01:05] <ssi> _methods: I had six nice parker 200W nema32 brushless servos but I think I lost them in the fire :(
[19:01:14] <_methods> damn
[19:01:20] <XXCoder> wonder if I could adlopt that design to use umm forgot what those supported rods rails is called
[19:01:24] <XXCoder> sbr?
[19:01:34] <_methods> ok 3- 400w for $1200 is what i should be looking for ?
[19:01:48] <_methods> that would be a "good" deal
[19:02:13] <XXCoder> og guys I got interviww tomorrow, wish me lucjk
[19:02:17] <XXCoder> if I do
[19:02:27] <XXCoder> I will skip wood stage and go stright 8020
[19:02:36] <Cromaglious> do my thoughts are with you! Blessed be!
[19:02:40] <tjtr33> yes look for Yaskawa Panasonic Mitsubishi.
[19:02:43] <Cromaglious> dude my thoughts are with you! Blessed be!
[19:02:53] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Indeed. Break a leg and all that.
[19:02:54] <_methods> kk
[19:03:11] <XXCoder> I'm been an intern for hmm 8 months?
[19:03:21] <XXCoder> its been fun but I need more money
[19:03:29] <XXCoder> cnc machinist work btw
[19:03:31] <Praesmeodymium-l> iirc 3060 will fit sbr20 or sbr25
[19:04:05] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium-l: thanks
[19:04:18] <XXCoder> I has kit sbr20/16/12
[19:04:33] <XXCoder> short 2 foot ones lol and one foot for z (sbr12)
[19:04:50] <Praesmeodymium-l> I do a bit of aliexpress shopping and comparing for the hell of it
[19:05:03] <tjtr33> XXCoder, best luck on interview
[19:05:22] <XXCoder> thanks all
[19:05:42] <Cromaglious> where's Andy! get a letter of recommendation from him
[19:05:43] <Praesmeodymium-l> like how to get the price down on the next printer/lasercutter etc and still make it stiff the way I want because most repraps are a bit wobly and underpowered
[19:06:35] <_methods> a bit?
[19:07:06] <Praesmeodymium-l> mostly window shopping lol
[19:07:18] <malcom2073> Praesmeodymium-l: Used thk rails are a good way to get the price down and rigidity up.
[19:08:23] <Praesmeodymium-l> theres a decent hiwin clone reseller I found a little cheaper than makerslide lol for mgn-12+car
[19:08:26] <ssi> they're hard to find in long lengths
[19:08:32] <XXCoder> ...
[19:08:34] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
[19:08:36] <MacGalempsy> Got over to meet Ben today and pickup the book and PCB for the Pulse EDM
[19:08:37] <XXCoder> bit ricious
[19:08:40] <malcom2073> ssi: I just picked up some 2680's for fairly cheap :)
[19:08:41] <ssi> I hunted for several years to get the rails for my plasma table
[19:08:45] <XXCoder> same time bit copol lol
[19:08:51] <ssi> 2680mm?
[19:08:59] <malcom2073> yeah, combining them with a set of 920's for my table
[19:09:02] <ssi> nice
[19:09:03] <malcom2073> to give me 11.75ft
[19:09:08] <ssi> are there anymore available?
[19:09:20] <malcom2073> Probably not, they were used, cost me $350 for each rail
[19:09:30] <malcom2073> 30mm
[19:09:35] <Praesmeodymium-l> my idea of a huge project was a 1mx1m wood router
[19:09:38] <ssi> yeah they're not cheap at those lenghts
[19:09:44] <malcom2073> Just keep an eye on ebay though
[19:09:44] <ssi> I have 60" rails on mine
[19:10:01] <ssi> the Y pair I got from korea on ebay for like $400 + 150 shipping
[19:10:14] <malcom2073> I got the 4 rails for my 10x5 router for less than $1k all in all
[19:10:16] <ssi> the X rail I found in a surplus shop in CA marked $250, and I negotiated it to 200
[19:10:35] <ssi> I just happened to find it there on teh one trip where I drove out
[19:10:39] <ssi> I wouldn't have been able to fly it home
[19:10:45] <malcom2073> Nice
[19:10:52] <ssi> it was 80" when I got it and I had to cut it :(
[19:10:53] <ssi> broke my heart
[19:10:56] <_methods> put them in a ski bag lol
[19:11:13] <_methods> oh that's just my snowboard lol
[19:11:20] <XXCoder> ssi: bag of holding lol
[19:11:22] <malcom2073> awww heh
[19:11:24] <XXCoder> kidding, that sucks
[19:11:28] <Cromaglious> I want a 9'Y x 5'X x 2'Z with 10'Y x 6'X x 3'Z rails
[19:11:47] <Cromaglious> I want a 9'Y x 5'X x 3'Z with 10'Y x 6'X x 5'Z rails would be better
[19:11:52] <malcom2073> Heh wowza, I plan on my Z being 12" or so, at the most
[19:12:06] <malcom2073> of travel
[19:12:10] <Cromaglious> so plan on 18" of rod
[19:12:25] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, does Ben still use RC timing for pulses? use FETs or have isopulse yet?
[19:12:31] <malcom2073> I have a 12" throw actuator that I'm using, I think it is around 18" of rail
[19:12:41] <XXCoder> I want 4'x8'x1' cnc router space. it means even longer rods and sucj
[19:12:49] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: he has 2 books/boards one RC and one pulse
[19:12:52] <ssi> I'm planning on making the next laser 4x8'
[19:13:03] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, thx
[19:13:05] <ssi> and with 10 or 12" of four-post Z bed travel
[19:13:18] <ssi> and was contemplating something wacky:
[19:13:20] <MacGalempsy> once this thing comes close to being done, he's going to come over to the house for beers
[19:13:39] <ssi> if I individually control each Z post as an axis, I could do a kins which would allow me to tilt the bed
[19:13:42] <ssi> to cut angles
[19:13:58] <zeeshan> hi friends
[19:14:03] <zeeshan> ssi
[19:14:05] <zeeshan> did you say laswer
[19:14:07] <Praesmeodymium-l> why so much z? the lenses tend to only come in a couple focal lengths... oh wait I am at the hobbyiest laser level mabe in the ig toy world they comelonger than 4" lenses
[19:14:07] <zeeshan> OH NOS
[19:14:12] <ssi> i'd have to make gimbaled nut blocks to get a lot of tilt travel
[19:14:24] <XXCoder> ssi: crazy but awesome
[19:14:28] <ssi> I'd like to be able to run an 8" lens
[19:14:38] <ssi> and I think 12" travel would give me room for thick material plus 8" lens
[19:14:58] <XXCoder> that'd make your laser 2.5 dimension
[19:15:00] <Cromaglious> hmm if i made it 8.5' x 4.5" with 10' x 6' of rail I should be able to keep it rather stiff
[19:15:03] <ssi> yusss
[19:15:04] <ssi> sorta
[19:15:18] <Praesmeodymium-l> 8" lens... hmm thats quite the depth
[19:15:21] <ssi> being able to cut a beveled kerf could be really useful
[19:15:36] <Praesmeodymium-l> I have a little china blueox I just got done adding air assist too
[19:15:40] <zeeshan> im operating the laser cutter at school
[19:15:41] <zeeshan> its cool!
[19:15:47] <MacGalempsy> All I asked for was some FRICKIN SHARKS WITH FRICKIN LASERS ON THEIR FRICKIN HEADS!
[19:15:48] <XXCoder> ssi: what about angle and rotation for your laser
[19:15:51] <zeeshan> too bad it cant cut metal
[19:15:52] <XXCoder> easier
[19:15:56] <Cromaglious> HAHA
[19:15:58] <ssi> not easier
[19:16:18] <XXCoder> what would be issue?
[19:16:24] <Praesmeodymium-l> next task is to remove the chna controller and toss a smoothie in it
[19:16:35] <ssi> building something which had DOF in the head and actually still got the beam down the path with mirrors
[19:16:43] <ssi> would be very very tricky
[19:17:07] <ssi> but it occurs to me
[19:17:23] <ssi> if I tilt the bed, I'll have to continuously vary the height of the tilted bed to keep the focus constant
[19:17:31] <ssi> the math on that is gonan get stupid hard
[19:17:44] <XXCoder> control mirrors?
[19:18:14] <ssi> ok I guess maybe 5 axis laser isn't feasible for me :)
[19:18:20] <XXCoder> or lens so you can change angle from 0 degree (stright down)
[19:18:24] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, https://videobin.org/+8lo/bgo.html
[19:18:25] <XXCoder> to say 45 angle
[19:18:29] <zeeshan> just get a robotic arm
[19:18:29] <zeeshan> :D
[19:18:37] <zeeshan> give it a laser
[19:18:42] <XXCoder> you just need one dimension angle change
[19:18:46] <ssi> fiber laser would make this stuff easy
[19:18:47] <XXCoder> then you add rotation
[19:18:48] <ssi> but co2 not so much
[19:19:04] <Praesmeodymium-l> every interface is both a loss of power and a consumable point lasers eat the lenses and mirrors over time through various processes
[19:19:34] <XXCoder> I remember reading about using cd to make mirrors
[19:19:41] <XXCoder> probably low pwer laser
[19:19:54] <Praesmeodymium-l> or the hd paltter
[19:19:59] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[19:20:01] <XXCoder> youre righ
[19:20:12] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: awesome video. is that yours?
[19:20:57] <tjtr33> yeah, all linuxcnc and HAL
[19:21:05] <zeeshan> tjtr33: nice!
[19:21:15] <tjtr33> sanuk dii! its fun
[19:21:20] <Praesmeodymium-l> yeah too bad fier hasnt come dwon that would cetainly make wood/plastic laser cutters much easier and more useful
[19:21:46] <XXCoder> fiber cant carry co2 laser?
[19:21:55] <XXCoder> or just too pricy?
[19:22:17] <ssi> fiber lasers are yags usually I think
[19:22:26] <XXCoder> yags?
[19:22:33] <ssi> er nm, it's a different thing
[19:22:46] <zeeshan> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8682/16647873022_99a9fc64f7_c.jpg
[19:22:49] <zeeshan> CNC kart!
[19:22:52] <zeeshan> i need one for the lathe like this
[19:22:59] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: once I get this power supply built, and the Frame built, I will likely be hitting you up for info
[19:23:00] <ssi> I need to make some stuff like that too
[19:23:25] <_methods> yes yag
[19:23:30] <_methods> for fiber
[19:24:02] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, its simple, i use a window comparator to decide 3 states. move fwd, move bwd , or dontmoveatall.
[19:24:13] <_methods> yttrium a something gallium or something like that
[19:24:18] <_methods> arsenic
[19:24:23] <_methods> i can never remember
[19:25:01] <_methods> yttrium aluminum garnet lol
[19:25:06] <ssi> lol
[19:25:08] <ssi> NICE TRY
[19:25:13] <ssi> GaAs is another thing :)
[19:25:30] <_methods> neodymium-doped yttrium aluminium garnet; Nd:Y3Al5O12
[19:25:43] <ssi> or Nd:YAG, yes
[19:25:48] <_methods> sounds like some stuff i took at a rave one time
[19:25:56] <tjtr33> Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fanna Bo Besca the Third
[19:28:49] <MacGalempsy> sounds good
[19:31:35] <MacGalempsy> man, Mouser makes it easy to get a BOM put together.
[19:31:50] <XXCoder> oh mouser been a while
[19:33:22] <_methods> https://github.com/monostable/1clickBOM
[19:33:41] <_methods> i love that thing
[19:33:45] <zeeshan> wow
[19:33:48] <zeeshan> that is cool!
[19:33:52] <_methods> hell yeah
[19:33:58] <_methods> makes it easy to compare prices too
[19:34:10] <XXCoder> careful or csi or something will read that as one click boom lol
[19:34:22] <_methods> yeah don't google bom maker lol
[19:35:04] <XXCoder> interesting plugin though
[19:35:38] <XXCoder> will wait for firefox
[19:35:43] <XXCoder> bom and fire fox :P
[20:06:56] <MacGalempsy> tjtr33: it looks like the pulse EDM power supply is about $400, plus the enclosure and a few odds and ends
[20:10:15] <tjtr33> sounds good fro maybe a 12 amp edm supply, how many amps draw and what resolution for on & off times?
[20:11:09] <tjtr33> i use a 75 amp board, 100Vdc supply, and hal for on & off, so i'm limited to thread period for resolution
[20:11:56] <tjtr33> i imagine his servo is bang bang too ( up/hold/down )
[20:12:23] <tjtr33> ( bang bang is a control method, not very fancy )
[20:12:59] <tjtr33> i use those parts cuz they're handy ( i hack edm's for a living
[20:15:05] <tjtr33> use the IR fet series, like IRF650's so they handle the overshoot caused by inductance in the system storing energy
[20:15:45] <tjtr33> he uses current limiting resitors, yes? like 9ohm 3-400W ?
[20:16:34] <MacGalempsy> im still reading up on specs
[20:17:37] <MacGalempsy> if you want, i can email you the spec sheet he sent me
[20:17:44] <MacGalempsy> pm me your email
[20:20:00] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, thx but i should buy his book if i want that info
[20:22:57] <tjtr33> btw: i have his original book. nice but not for me
[20:26:52] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, the fork of solvespace I linked?
[20:26:58] <dirty_d> it doesnt use gtk
[20:28:36] <dirty_d> you have me curious now though
[20:35:01] <tjtr33> Mac check the pm
[20:35:42] <tjtr33> dirty_d, did it build on ubuntu?
[20:39:19] <dirty_d> tjb11, I havent tried, just on arch
[20:40:07] <tjtr33> thx ( tjtr33 :)
[20:40:08] <dirty_d> ./configure wont work you need LDFLAGS='-lX11 -lGLU -lGL -lfltk -lfltk_gl -lfltk_forms -lfltk_images -lpng' ./configure
[20:40:55] <tjtr33> fltk instead
[20:41:04] <dirty_d> i havent bothered figureing out why it doesn't do that automatically, they all end up in a variable in the Makefile
[20:41:22] <dirty_d> just isnt used
[20:43:02] <dirty_d> can't see what could be wrong with MemRealloc, looks like the only way it would fail is if realloc fails https://gitorious.org/solvespace/solvespace/source/ce77197dac0580247dfb6d6c88ed57bdfae32226:src/fltk/fltkutil.cpp#L90
[20:43:37] <dirty_d> unless there really was no more free memory
[20:45:28] <tjtr33> does it fail MemAlloc() or realloc() ?
[20:46:25] <dirty_d> MacGalempsy, said the error said MemRealloc
[20:46:44] <dirty_d> im guessing from that oops() function
[20:47:33] <tjtr33> i gotta goto another machine, best of luck with solvespace ( modify that func for better err msgs ;)
[20:48:54] <Cromaglious> MemRealloc is defined in a fltk file
[20:49:06] <dirty_d> ohhh, an error compiling?
[20:49:11] <dirty_d> i thought you meant it crashed
[20:51:49] <Cromaglious> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[20:51:49] <Cromaglious> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main'
[20:51:49] <Cromaglious> bsp.o: In function `SBsp2::DebugDraw(Vector, double)':
[20:51:49] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/bsp.cpp:670: undefined reference to `glLineWidth'
[20:53:33] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/srf/../dsc.h:161: undefined reference to `MemRealloc(void*, unsigned int)'
[20:53:41] <Cromaglious> I think he's talking about this one
[20:55:55] <dirty_d> how'd you build it?
[21:19:36] <XXCoder> anyone ever fixed nissan quest? lol
[21:22:24] <Cromaglious> I've fixed a bunch of nissans
[21:22:43] <Cromaglious> even some V6's
[21:22:51] <XXCoder> cool
[21:22:59] <XXCoder> just trying to figure how to remove egr
[21:23:22] <Cromaglious> year and engine?
[21:23:23] <XXCoder> its easy to remove, if it wasnt behind and hard to get to lol
[21:23:27] <XXCoder> 1996 nissan quest
[21:23:29] <XXCoder> v6
[21:24:15] <Cromaglious> well maxima EGR wasn't easy to get to either...
[21:24:25] <Cromaglious> I think it's about the same engine
[21:24:37] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:24:46] <Cromaglious> just gotta do what you gotta do to get to it
[21:24:48] <XXCoder> have to clean it
[21:24:53] <XXCoder> po400
[21:25:13] <XXCoder> or 401 forgot which is which, I had ford contour with exact same issue and just fixed that lol
[21:26:17] <XXCoder> insuffecent flow error
[21:26:22] <Cromaglious> oops you gotta take off the intake and it's a bit different than the Maxima
[21:28:06] <XXCoder> must take off?
[21:28:09] <XXCoder> how hard is it
[21:28:15] <XXCoder> and require gasket replace?
[21:30:18] <Cromaglious> looking
[21:31:10] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt3MsLREgis
[21:31:19] <XXCoder> villager but more or less same enginbe
[21:31:26] <Cromaglious> PO401 code
[21:32:17] <Cromaglious> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgfT3kuY8lc
[21:32:46] <anarchos2> hmm, shoulda tested my Y axis before tightening the gibs down....not sure if i fixed the problem, or just can't reproduce it now :P
[21:33:12] <XXCoder> v6 honda isnt same
[21:33:17] <anarchos2> i put a pen in the chuck and have it drawing boxes over and over again, and it seems to be dead nuts now...
[21:33:18] <dirty_d> hmm, autocad360 isnt showing the locked constraint on lines
[21:33:29] <dirty_d> i mean fixed
[21:33:44] <anarchos2> i could only figure out how to contrain to a point
[21:33:49] <anarchos2> in fusion360
[21:34:30] <dirty_d> ahh thats why, you just cant
[21:34:57] <dirty_d> weird, its telling me my sketch os overconstrained when i try to use a symetry constraint
[21:35:22] <dirty_d> its just a box and 2 lines in a + over the origin
[21:35:32] <dirty_d> since you cant select the origin
[21:35:37] <dirty_d> axes
[21:36:51] <Cromaglious> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtBKGs1wEw 96 maxima
[21:37:34] <Cromaglious> VG33E engine?
[21:37:50] <XXCoder> dunno
[21:37:57] <XXCoder> think mines nissan quest gxe
[21:38:27] <XXCoder> that egr isnt same place as mine
[21:38:39] <XXCoder> mines attached to intake manafold at back
[21:38:57] <Cromaglious> 4th VIN digit is engine
[21:39:22] <Cromaglious> checking some more
[21:40:07] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, im confused, were you the one trying to compile solvespace, or someone else?
[21:40:36] <Cromaglious> I'm trying to compile it also
[21:42:00] <dirty_d> theres a problem with Makefile.am i think
[21:42:14] <XXCoder> need to do this also lol http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0996b43f/80/23/0e/32/large/0996b43f80230e32.gif
[21:42:17] <dirty_d> you need to explicitly add libraries when you ./configure
[21:42:17] <XXCoder> so nasty
[21:42:28] <dirty_d> i still have no idea how the hell autoconf and automake work
[21:42:36] <XXCoder> its voodoo
[21:44:53] <renesis> read the gcc manual
[21:45:18] <Cromaglious> 8th digit is engine on 96's W or 1 are both VG30E
[21:47:09] <XXCoder> this is amazing http://maxima.org/forums/4th-generation-maxima-1995-1999/595990-comprehensive-pictures-directons-egr-tube-cleaning-p0400.html
[21:47:16] <XXCoder> too bad m vans not same design
[21:49:58] <Cromaglious> util.o: In function `CnfFreezeColor(RgbColor, char const*)':
[21:49:58] <Cromaglious> /home/robi/Downloads/solvespace-linux-fixes/src/util.cpp:212: undefined reference to `CnfFreezeInt(unsigned int, char const*)'
[21:52:57] <furrywolf> identify which parts are in the way. remove them. reinstall in reverse order.
[21:53:38] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wow thats so detailed lol
[21:54:16] <Cromaglious> I said just gotta do what you gotta do to get to it
[21:54:20] <furrywolf> it's how I work on things. :P
[21:54:25] <XXCoder> yea
[21:54:27] <Cromaglious> ditto
[21:54:46] <XXCoder> I gonna do 3 things for van before I can finally "ship" ford contour to my neice
[21:55:04] <XXCoder> clean egr and its stuff, clean iac, and finally replace termostat
[21:55:12] <XXCoder> van mpg is really tanking now
[21:55:14] <furrywolf> is the first one "actually work on it, instead of watching youtube videos about how to work on it"? :P
[21:55:34] <XXCoder> I prefer to see someone else do it to learn but unfortunately nothing on quest
[21:56:38] <furrywolf> I've only worked on one quest. we decided it wasn't worth fixing. I think someone ended up getting bored and burning it. yay rednecks.
[21:57:12] <XXCoder> quest isnt bad
[21:57:21] <furrywolf> I think I still have one of its relays running the headlights in my jeep. :P
[21:57:27] <XXCoder> one I got had over 20 issues though LOL
[21:57:31] <XXCoder> only 3 now I think
[21:57:41] <XXCoder> organ donor van lol
[21:58:42] <furrywolf> it was beat to hell, and wouldn't run, with no sign of life from the computer. the owner didn't want to buy a manual for it. it ended up getting parted out. and, around here, if you leave a vehicle sitting for too long in some areas, drunk kids burn them...
[21:58:48] <furrywolf> on the riverbar,
[21:59:08] <furrywolf> on the riverbar, "too long" is about five minutes unattended. in town it doesn't tend to ever happen. between... :P
[21:59:20] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:00:09] <XXCoder> my old car toyata camry 1986 was once solen
[22:00:11] <XXCoder> stolen
[22:00:16] <XXCoder> it was found 10 miles away
[22:00:30] <XXCoder> probably was on way to chop shop when they realized how shitty it was
[22:00:34] <Cromaglious> actually watching a youtube video saved me a trip BACK to the autoparts on geting a window motor once
[22:00:37] <XXCoder> it could barely up hulls lol
[22:00:44] <XXCoder> hills
[22:02:17] <Cromaglious> I got caught behind the San Francisco gay pride parade once... My civic wouldn't make it up the hill, clutch...
[22:02:51] <MacGalempsy> my botherinlaw had his 1996 acura integra stolen, it was all riced out. when they recovered it, all it was the chopped chassis on a shit trailer.
[22:03:01] <MacGalempsy> EVERY other part was gone
[22:03:01] <furrywolf> ... people think san francisco has hills. SF has bumps. we have real hills. :P
[22:03:27] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: where are you?
[22:03:33] * furrywolf is glad crom supports said parade
[22:03:38] <furrywolf> far northern california
[22:04:08] <Cromaglious> you get a chance to see the naked dikes on bikes :)
[22:04:20] <Praesmeodymium-l> we get that in portland too
[22:04:27] <Cromaglious> furrywolf lives in the state of Jefferson
[22:04:53] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: my toyata heh I usually sped up before going up hill. But one day I had stopped car at hill so I had to stop. It couldn't go up very fast at all after it. 3 mph. :P
[22:04:55] * furrywolf likes dykes
[22:05:39] <Cromaglious> I have a step daughter who's so inclinded
[22:06:07] <furrywolf> the other day I came across a f-350 diesel with a large cabover camper on the side of the road going up a steep hill. turned out his fuel system sucked air at steep angles. I towed him up the hill in my subaru, didn't even have to slip the clutch.
[22:06:12] <Cromaglious> no CnfFreeze* in /usr/include
[22:06:17] <furrywolf> is she single and good with a strapon? :)
[22:06:41] <Cromaglious> commited, dunno, don't wanna know
[22:06:45] * furrywolf fails to see how people can drive vehicles that have difficulty climbing hills
[22:06:56] <XXCoder> its challenge thats for sure
[22:07:25] <Cromaglious> that night I changed the clutch after I got home
[22:07:28] <XXCoder> my toyata has crappy tranny too so it could sometimes fail to shift so I stay stuck at 35 mph in freeway while I ramp down and up on rpm
[22:07:43] <XXCoder> it fails on 1-2 too
[22:07:45] <furrywolf> eww, automatic.
[22:08:01] <XXCoder> yeah it was real shitty car lol
[22:08:13] <XXCoder> everyone should own shitty car in least once
[22:08:17] <furrywolf> sounds like sticking valve body. electronic or hydraulic shift logic?
[22:08:33] <XXCoder> anyway it lasted 3 years before it got too problemic so I went and got mecury sable 1988
[22:08:37] <XXCoder> damn I loved that one
[22:08:40] <furrywolf> usual fix is to flush the tranny and try various additives.
[22:08:50] <XXCoder> toyata camry I mean lol
[22:09:13] <XXCoder> back then I havent started fixing cars
[22:09:20] <Cromaglious> ahhh it's in fltkmain.cpp
[22:09:25] <XXCoder> mecury sable is when I started
[22:09:27] <furrywolf> Cromaglious: bleh. I'm having a hard time finding a mature, intelligent, sane, practical woman who likes wolfies and is good with a strapon...
[22:09:33] <XXCoder> because tuneup is $600
[22:10:03] <Cromaglious> furry get to Sac more often
[22:10:05] <XXCoder> 3.8l engine in midsize sedan lol that was fun one
[22:11:05] <furrywolf> I haven't done any real tests to see how fast my other subaru is now... need to get an exhaust built first.
[22:11:32] <furrywolf> it's not a race car, but I spun both front wheels at >40mph the other day, so it's not lacking in power either.
[22:11:52] <Cromaglious> ok CnfFreezeInt is defined in fltk/fltkmain.cpp
[22:12:11] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I just wish I started fixing ars earlier mecury sable was a real pleasure to drive for last 5 months
[22:12:15] <Cromaglious> but it's not in any Makefile
[22:12:24] <XXCoder> after 9 years of minor issues
[22:12:53] * furrywolf has difficulty with the concept of "mercury" and "fun" being together.
[22:13:04] <XXCoder> 3.8l engine hell yes fun
[22:13:35] <XXCoder> but fixing it was "fun" lol so hard to do anything when its so big theres inches clearance all around
[22:13:36] <furrywolf> a big engine won't make up for the apperance, comfort, handling, or reliability.
[22:14:01] <XXCoder> my shitty paint sable could beat brand new hondas lol
[22:14:43] <XXCoder> unmodified with shitty sparkplugs (it had same ones for almost entire 9 years)
[22:15:06] <furrywolf> "expensive spark plugs make more power" is a myth spread by those selling spark plugs. :)
[22:15:16] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I dont sub to that either
[22:15:17] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, I modified the Makefile.am files it should just build with "./autogen.sh && ./configure && make"
[22:15:25] <XXCoder> its just that it was probably orginial
[22:15:48] <anarchos2> do i need to do something like addf and2.0 base-thread
[22:15:53] <XXCoder> bought car at 67,000 miles and totaled at 89,000 miles
[22:15:58] <anarchos2> to use and2.0?
[22:16:04] <XXCoder> I dont drive much for those 9 years
[22:16:58] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you cloned the solvespace-linux-fixes repo, not official right? I just made those build fixes to the solvespace-linux-fixes one.
[22:17:42] <furrywolf> hopefully not totalled because you were having too much fun with your large engine?
[22:18:07] <XXCoder> nah moron turned left without looking and very fast speed too
[22:18:13] <XXCoder> 90 degree turn
[22:18:23] <Cromaglious> so I should regit it?
[22:18:25] <XXCoder> I would have been killed if I didnt turn right
[22:18:37] <XXCoder> as it is I still get bad dizzy spells
[22:18:44] <XXCoder> and its been near 2 years
[22:18:52] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, yea delete everything and just git clone again
[22:19:05] <Cromaglious> k
[22:19:06] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, you have fltk installed right?
[22:19:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: basically I drive like old man usually.
[22:19:52] <Cromaglious> yep
[22:20:16] <dirty_d> you need fltk, libpng, and the opengl libraries installed
[22:20:19] <dirty_d> i think thats it
[22:20:23] <dirty_d> and X11
[22:21:00] <furrywolf> and possibly -dev versions
[22:21:05] <dirty_d> yea
[22:21:29] <dirty_d> hmm, technically you shouldnt need libspnav, but the build stuff could be wrong
[22:21:49] <dirty_d> i just happen to have it, so that could be one reason it compiles for me and not you
[22:22:41] <dirty_d> nah, uninstalled it and it still works
[22:23:35] <Rab> dirty_d, compiled and ran solvespace under Slackware 13.37, worked great. Thanks!
[22:24:30] <Rab> Right now I'm trying to get it working with my SpaceNavigator.
[22:24:49] <dirty_d> no problem
[22:25:55] <dirty_d> hmmm, so that lets you rotate the model and stuff at the same time as using the mouse?
[22:26:41] <Rab> I guess so?
[22:26:46] <Cromaglious> robi@katuntu:~/Downloads$ git clone git@gitorious.org:solvespace/linux-fixes.git
[22:26:46] <Cromaglious> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/robi/Downloads/linux-fixes/.git/
[22:26:47] <Cromaglious> Permission denied (publickey).
[22:26:47] <Cromaglious> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[22:26:49] <dirty_d> what the hell, there are constraints in autodesk 360 that I cant see
[22:26:57] <dirty_d> use the https link
[22:29:17] <renesis> hmm solvespace looks pretty neat
[22:29:40] <dirty_d> yea i know right? i just found out it existed a couple days ago
[22:30:16] <dirty_d> its not loaded with all kinds of crazy features, but it seems like it does everything that a cad program should do, and well
[22:30:31] <Cromaglious> working
[22:30:35] <dirty_d> cool
[22:30:49] <dirty_d> plus its so simple you can just figure out how to use it by screwing around
[22:31:50] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: overriding commands for target `Options'
[22:31:50] <Cromaglious> Makefile:145: warning: ignoring old commands for target `Options'
[22:31:50] <Cromaglious> Makefile:155: warning: overriding commands for target `Options'
[22:31:50] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: ignoring old commands for target `Options'
[22:32:10] <XXCoder> trying to compile linuxcnc?
[22:32:16] <Cromaglious> Makefile:155: warning: overriding commands for target `we'
[22:32:17] <Cromaglious> Makefile:149: warning: ignoring old commands for target `we'
[22:32:17] <Cromaglious> Makefile:162: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.
[22:32:24] <Cromaglious> solvespace
[22:32:31] <dirty_d> meh, it works at least, lol
[22:34:11] <Cromaglious> sending my makefile
[22:34:34] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, you wanna dcc get
[22:35:05] <Rab> SpaceNavigator works! Had to do ./configure --with-libspnav=/usr/local
[22:35:18] <Rab> whoooooooooooaaaaaaa
[22:35:46] <Rab> Too twitchy to use, going to have to tweak the driver options.
[22:36:08] <renesis> i know few ME into those
[22:36:30] <renesis> also some who cant stand them, feel weird, havent used long enough to decide
[22:38:12] <Rab> If anybody has $99 burning a hole in their pocket, definitely buy one: http://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700028-SpaceNavigator-3D-Mouse/dp/B000LB7G00
[22:38:35] <Cromaglious> ahhh I have fltk 1.1 not 1.3
[22:39:15] <Rab> renesis, I've only used it with SketchUp under Windows...never had a Linux program that supported it.
[22:39:31] <renesis> neat that its working
[22:39:42] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, still works though?
[22:39:44] <renesis> its just normal HID or needs driver?
[22:40:11] <renesis> it doesnt havce a scroll wheel! =\
[22:40:29] <Rab> renesis, it's a HID, but you need a special driver to use it.
[22:40:46] <Rab> It's not a substitute for a mouse, you would use them together.
[22:41:07] <renesis> right because hid prob doesnt support back flips and barrel rolls
[22:41:12] <Cromaglious> FLTK_OPTIM = -Os -Wall -Wunused -Wno-format-y2k -fPIC -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing
[22:41:12] <Cromaglious> FLTK_PREFIX = Usage: fltk-config [OPTIONS]
[22:41:13] <Cromaglious> Options:
[22:41:13] <Cromaglious> [--version]
[22:41:13] <Cromaglious> [--api-version]
[22:41:14] <Rab> Indeed.
[22:41:21] <Cromaglious> this is what ends up in my Makefile
[22:41:31] <renesis> but thats cool you can plug it in and see it no drama
[22:41:51] <Rab> I had to install and run the daemon first.
[22:42:04] <furrywolf> that means the detect for fltk didn't work. could be a bug in autoconf, could be your version is screwy.
[22:42:44] <furrywolf> gah, I'm exhausted. it's too early to go to bed, but I'm utterly useless.
[22:42:51] <Cromaglious> compiling 1.3.3 now
[22:43:06] <renesis> i went to bed at 6pm yesterday and woke up at midnight
[22:43:20] <renesis> school at 11am sucked =\
[22:43:30] <Cromaglious> I went to bed at 5am this morning and got up at 9:50am
[22:43:55] <renesis> thats 5 hours yo thats like, an awesome long night of sleep
[22:43:57] <Cromaglious> still compiling
[22:44:51] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, your distro should have a package for that already
[22:44:57] <dirty_d> what are you using?
[22:45:20] <Cromaglious> I kinda miss goofy... amd 4x86-133 running slack kernel 1.3.48
[22:45:20] <renesis> sounds like maybe distro package isny current?
[22:45:33] <renesis> wtf man
[22:45:36] <dirty_d> wait what?
[22:45:49] <Cromaglious> dirty_d, running ubuntu 10.04 from linuxcnc .iso
[22:46:06] <dirty_d> ok, lol
[22:46:12] <anarchos2> does halshow work without any corresponding .hal file entries? ie: can i just hook a button upto pin 12 on my parport and see it in halshow?
[22:46:27] <dirty_d> ubuntu doesnt have 1.3?
[22:46:46] <dirty_d> of fltk i mean
[22:47:26] <Cromaglious> ok recompilng solvespace
[22:47:38] <Cromaglious> yeah! Makefile is happy
[22:47:43] <anarchos2> i'm getting super confused...i have a button, it works when testing with my meter (continuity test. NO, closed when pressed). I have 5V going into it, and the ohter wire going into pin 12, but it just seems to do nothing :/
[22:48:01] <furrywolf> do you have a pulldown resistor?
[22:48:03] <renesis> do you have a pulldown?
[22:48:26] <Cromaglious> anarchos2, stepper breakout? pin12 goes to ground to trigger
[22:48:30] <anarchos2> breakout board has them built in
[22:48:41] <anarchos2> and 12 is set to pull down
[22:48:42] <renesis> pullups or pulldowns?
[22:48:51] <renesis> sucks
[22:48:54] <anarchos2> it can be both..
[22:49:07] <renesis> right but if you have it set right its something else
[22:49:11] <Cromaglious> g++: /usr/local/lib/libfltk_gl.a: No such file or directory
[22:49:52] <renesis> is that where you installed too?
[22:50:18] <anarchos2> a pull up would give me basically the reverse of what it would naturally do, right? like give voltage when the button is not pressed, and cut to 0 when it is?
[22:50:19] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, i think you still have the version before i commited?
[22:50:21] <renesis> if you just do make install itll usually just /usr/local it, looks right
[22:50:30] <dirty_d> it shouldnt be trying to link against the static libraries
[22:50:47] <renesis> anarchos2: yeah but you need to ground the other side of the switch
[22:50:50] <dirty_d> i just changed that to use the shared libraries
[22:51:48] <dirty_d> anarchos2, yea but then youd connect the switch to ground instead of 5V
[22:52:21] <dirty_d> just inverts the logic
[22:53:44] <anarchos2> oooh
[22:53:48] <anarchos2> i dont get it, but it works
[22:53:49] <anarchos2> heh
[22:54:25] <anarchos2> if i connect the switch to ground instead of 5v it works
[22:54:41] <renesis> the input itself doesnt sink or source current, so no voltage drop across the resistor unless the switch is closed
[22:54:41] <XXCoder> furrywolf: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-Pcs-8-Position-Double-Row-Screw-Terminal-Covered-Barrier-Strip-600V-25A/1488544_32217656545.html
[22:54:51] <renesis> anarchos2: its in pullup mode, then
[22:54:54] <XXCoder> cool. same time from same seller for my van brake lights
[22:55:32] <anarchos2> so with the pull up, it's giving me some voltage from the input pin, and then when the button is pressed it's sinking that voltage into ground?
[22:56:43] <renesis> pull means its connected to power
[22:57:02] <renesis> so switch open, no current across pullup, voltage is same both sides
[22:57:11] <renesis> *pullup means
[22:57:45] <renesis> when you close the switch, it pulls the resistor down to GND
[22:58:22] <renesis> so resistor is now from VCC to GND, with the input connected to ground directly because closed switch
[22:58:43] <renesis> http://imgur.com/rmaAavD
[22:58:46] <Cromaglious> ok I have to find libfltk_gl
[22:59:12] <renesis> randomly drew this for another thing couple days ago, but 1K is a pullup, fan sense is a switch
[22:59:58] <anarchos2> renesis, so if i wasn't using my fancy breakout board, i'd be connecting a resistor from VCC->pin12, which would be providing a bit of current, then when the switch is closed, that current goes to ground, making pin12 see 0 current?
[23:00:17] <renesis> almost
[23:00:35] <renesis> the connection is right
[23:03:58] <renesis> im drawing pics
[23:05:25] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:05:31] <XXCoder> night
[23:07:46] <XXCoder> what do peoplenuse this for?? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-Pieces-ethernet-RJ45-male-to-USB-female-connector-converter-adapter-Free-Cable-Tie/1488544_32217742640.html
[23:08:33] <renesis> anarchos2: http://imgur.com/AKJlooe
[23:09:04] <renesis> anarchos2: get it now?
[23:09:23] <renesis> pulldown is same thing but reversed
[23:12:17] <renesis> hi-z means high impedance, no current, resistive brick wall
[23:15:20] <anarchos2> right, i think i get it
[23:15:57] <XXCoder> woot http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-Sale-6-Terminals-3-Position-ON-OFF-ON-DPDT-Boat-Rocker-Switch-16A-250VAC-20A/1488544_32257100218.html
[23:16:06] <XXCoder> now I can power my walk/stop sign
[23:16:09] <renesis> yeah it sounded like you mostly did, except pin 12 always sees 0 current, it only sees voltage
[23:16:24] <XXCoder> expecially since same store has safe connectors strip so I can wire it up.
[23:16:36] <Rab> XXCoder, that adapter is something to do with USB ADSL modems.
[23:16:43] <XXCoder> oh
[23:16:58] <XXCoder> making sure, it will work with 120v?
[23:17:12] <XXCoder> not sure how much A it uses, but lots led shouldnt be too much eh
[23:17:29] <renesis> kind of tight for 120v
[23:18:04] <XXCoder> 120 volt, 6w
[23:18:11] <Rab> Looks like it lets you run ethernet over a USB cable, if you felt a need to do that. Obviously it doesn't convert to USB signaling.
[23:18:12] <XXCoder> im sure you can figure a from that
[23:18:35] <renesis> its a sparkgap and resistive insulation issue more than power drops across the pins
[23:18:37] <Rab> Weird, but apparently really common. Even Walmart carries them.
[23:18:52] <renesis> wtf
[23:19:35] <renesis> comes with free cable tie
[23:19:42] <XXCoder> .06 Ampo
[23:19:42] <renesis> i would get it
[23:19:45] <XXCoder> er .6 amp
[23:19:48] <Rab> XXCoder, that switch? Should be fine.
[23:20:01] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:20:03] <XXCoder> getting it
[23:20:05] <renesis> oh
[23:20:22] <XXCoder> evenually I want it to be controlled by computer or something
[23:20:33] <Rab> To the extent that a $.59 power switch off AliExpress is hopefully fine.
[23:20:35] <XXCoder> hell if I ever has full size cnc I would use it as status
[23:20:37] <renesis> i thought you meant putting 120V on the usb adapter
[23:20:50] <XXCoder> renesis: LOL nope but can see how you got confused
[23:20:51] <renesis> rab: i dont even try and bring that up in here
[23:21:12] <renesis> on and on about machine quality and fuck china this and fuck china that
[23:21:20] <renesis> shit parts from ali express every day from the same people
[23:21:22] <renesis> shrug
[23:21:25] <XXCoder> Rab: its always a gamble
[23:21:35] <XXCoder> order and roll a d20
[23:21:41] <XXCoder> see if above 6 lol
[23:21:49] <renesis> dude you pay them nothing what is the motivation for them to make a good part?
[23:21:54] <XXCoder> bad stuff, above 15 is fine :P
[23:22:09] <XXCoder> I should add bot here
[23:22:11] <XXCoder> roller bot
[23:22:25] <XXCoder> ;roll d20 something
[23:22:50] <XXCoder> ordering two switches in case one is bad
[23:22:57] <XXCoder> 59 cent why not
[23:23:05] <renesis> right because if one is bad the other will def be okay
[23:23:16] <renesis> because fires and other peoples insurance companies
[23:23:20] <XXCoder> maybe but two rolls twice better chance lol
[23:23:35] <renesis> why not just roll a 10 sided die?
[23:23:55] <XXCoder> two d5 and one d10 do not have same probility curve
[23:24:04] <dirty_d> Cromaglious, libfltk_gl is part of fltk
[23:24:08] <renesis> does if you adjust the threshold
[23:24:14] <dirty_d> same package
[23:24:41] <Rab> Solvespace seems like tha shiznit so far.
[23:24:50] <renesis> have you used solidworks?
[23:24:52] <XXCoder> good or bad shit
[23:24:58] <Rab> Prints lots of error messages to console: Vector::WithMagnitude(1.57501) of zero vector!
[23:25:08] <renesis> shiznit usually indicates that its the good shit
[23:25:22] <XXCoder> me no speek engglush
[23:25:23] <Rab> XXCoder, shit is just shit: bad. THE shit, is good.
[23:25:37] <XXCoder> thanks tho
[23:25:43] <renesis> the shit = drugs.
[23:25:46] <renesis> drugs = good.
[23:25:55] <XXCoder> that aliexpress store seems awesome
[23:25:56] <renesis> help you remember
[23:25:59] <XXCoder> bunch cnc stuff too
[23:26:02] <XXCoder> like e stop
[23:26:08] <XXCoder> limt switches so on
[23:26:16] <Rab> renesis, I've never used SW...I cripple myself by avoiding payware whenever possible.
[23:26:38] <anarchos2> Now my next question is, and this might actually be a "feature", but i hooked up a physical e-stop button, it works, but if i shut down linux cnc and open it back up, without hitting the estop button, linuxcnc works and thinks everything is ok, but my actual motors won't spin
[23:26:44] <anarchos2> until i hit the estop and reset it
[23:26:45] <XXCoder> lol guy has key activated switch
[23:26:48] <renesis> i know is why i asked before asking how it is compared to SW
[23:26:57] <XXCoder> good for game where it enables ultimate weapon or something
[23:27:18] <Rab> Prob should make a Windows VM with SW and Altium warez, to get familiar...but I'd rather spend time on tools I actually use.
[23:27:20] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-5-pcs-lot-Electric-2-Positions-ON-OFF-Metal-Keylock-Switch-w-Keys/1488544_32271403779.html
[23:27:34] <XXCoder> also, what is solverspace?
[23:27:39] <XXCoder> some kind cam software?
[23:27:48] <renesis> parametric cad
[23:28:14] <XXCoder> lol another key "button"
[23:28:20] <renesis> rab: im not sure id even try SW in a VM
[23:28:29] <renesis> ive thought about it, but its pretty heavy
[23:28:44] <XXCoder> keypad
[23:28:46] <renesis> pretty well behaved but itll take a break and shoot you hourglass for awhile, some stuff
[23:28:51] <XXCoder> damn guy got good cnc shit
[23:28:58] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hot-5-pcs-lot-4-x-4-16-Key-Matrix-Membrane-Switch-Keypad/1488544_32272533613.html
[23:29:01] <Rab> Looks like it has some very basic 2D CAM stuff, too.
[23:29:23] <renesis> you should be able to drop model views into 2d drawings
[23:29:38] <XXCoder> 2d is good for cnc router
[23:29:42] <renesis> thats how you do dxf/pdf drawings in SW
[23:30:13] <renesis> oh nm you said CAM
[23:30:18] <renesis> coool
[23:30:37] <renesis> rab: have you tried gcodetools for inkscape yet?
[23:30:47] <XXCoder> renesis: gonna try that too
[23:30:52] <XXCoder> I love inkscape so yea lol
[23:31:01] <renesis> i got it to gen gcode but it totally destroyed the toolpath with overshoots and tangents
[23:31:27] <renesis> no idea wtf it was trying to do, have to figure out a few options didnt immediately make sense
[23:31:27] <Rab> renesis, yeah, that's how I've done all my projects so far.
[23:31:30] <anarchos2> brb
[23:31:35] <XXCoder> favorited that aliexpress store
[23:31:38] <XXCoder> awesome one
[23:31:51] <renesis> rab: you like it? got a decent tutorial link or you just read a fuckton of forum posts?
[23:32:21] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/spacer-toolpaths.png
[23:32:24] <renesis> docs i found looked more like quick walkthroughs
[23:33:06] <Rab> I do like it, but only because it's very simple. But it has practically zero functionality I'd expect to see from CAM, or maybe I need to do more exploring.
[23:33:25] <renesis> right i just want to use it for engraving stuff
[23:33:35] <Rab> There is some basic optimization. But you have to be pretty good at Inkscape to make a sane toolpath.
[23:33:44] <XXCoder> I am
[23:33:49] <renesis> good like how?
[23:33:50] <Rab> I've done lots of engraving with it.
[23:34:10] <renesis> you just have to make continuous paths?
[23:34:27] <Rab> renesis, yeah, that's a big one.
[23:34:34] <XXCoder> one path only?
[23:34:42] <Rab> Correct.
[23:34:48] <XXCoder> or is it lift and move to next if more than ahh
[23:34:58] <renesis> it cant handle more than one?
[23:35:07] <renesis> so i would have to gen code for like, each letter?
[23:35:11] <XXCoder> what if I use box, circle so on
[23:35:18] <Rab> Not like that, sorry.
[23:35:35] <XXCoder> strange I would think it would use g12, 13 for circle for example
[23:35:42] <XXCoder> g2 g3 even
[23:35:53] <XXCoder> *g02, g03
[23:35:56] <renesis> i dont even think a lot of high end CAM apps do that
[23:36:09] <Rab> An object in Inkscape is composed of multiple path segments. If you don't combine those segments, gcodetools will happily generate a plunge for each segment.
[23:36:37] <renesis> okay so its about how things are grouped
[23:36:45] <Rab> Which consumes a lot of time and is really bad form if you'd like to cut a contiguous path.
[23:37:02] <XXCoder> should be fine if seperate tracing or something?
[23:37:09] <Rab> It's separate from grouping, you need to combine path with Ctrl-K.
[23:37:25] <renesis> right i remember reading about that
[23:37:47] <renesis> i tried to feed it some hershey fonts and it just went nuts
[23:37:57] <renesis> everything as one segment
[23:38:19] <Rab> Another gotcha: paths have a direction in Inkscape, although it's invisible. So if you want to ensure climb milling, for example, and the toolpath gcodetools generates is going the wrong way for that, you have to flip the object in Inkscape.
[23:38:22] <renesis> anyway, if its been working for youll ill look into some more
[23:38:31] <renesis> well they have starts and stops
[23:38:35] <renesis> thats normal
[23:38:47] <Rab> Direction, beginning/end, whatever.
[23:38:47] <renesis> usually doesnt matter, heh
[23:39:00] <renesis> yeah thats how most cad abd graphics stuff is defined
[23:39:47] <XXCoder> mirror object then resize it to negative size so pathway is reversed but same shape
[23:39:55] <Rab> I probably can't show you the engraving stuff I've done because it incorporates my employer's name. But it was very successful.
[23:40:04] <XXCoder> it will set back to normal so its not negative size
[23:40:18] <renesis> good to hear
[23:40:43] <XXCoder> I just need a flipping working cnc router before I can even begin lol
[23:40:55] <Rab> Also, there's some facility in gcodetools for tool sizes but I never took the time to figure it out. I just set the stroke width to the cutter size, and dimension as needed. ;)
[23:41:03] <Cromaglious> I need one better than a 3040
[23:41:11] <XXCoder> ordered, hope this time the stop/night light saga ends! im sick of it
[23:41:23] <XXCoder> nice
[23:41:35] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: 3040
[23:41:35] <Cromaglious> on AL I'm doing good to cut .060 deep with a 0.002 step over
[23:41:37] <XXCoder> ?
[23:41:40] <renesis> rab: ha, manual compensation
[23:41:46] <Cromaglious> google yoocnc 3040
[23:41:50] <XXCoder> looking
[23:42:01] <renesis> i used to do that in autocad with offset
[23:42:14] <XXCoder> Cromaglious: not fancy but hella better than mine
[23:42:25] <Rab> renesis, that's what I mean by not actual CAM. Just a lot of stuff you have to do manually.
[23:42:34] <XXCoder> mine is still just electrics rails and ballscrew kit lol
[23:42:40] <XXCoder> need a frame dammit
[23:42:46] <Cromaglious> I'm up to 2 broken mills, my 1/4 corncob got here today though
[23:43:09] <Rab> But I admit that the very second I got gcodetools to spit out something usable, I stopped learning and started making parts. So maybe it's more advanced than I can testify.
[23:43:12] <zeeshan> nice crom
[23:44:01] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16630381372_e4ab82d4b5_b.jpg
[23:44:04] <zeeshan> ^ before
[23:44:13] <Rab> renesis, I also had to do extensive hand-editing of the gcode to get FleshCut to accept it. Modern LinuxCNC might be more permissive/capable.
[23:44:24] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8595/16030549593_c2f93028be_b.jpg
[23:44:28] <zeeshan> After
[23:44:36] <renesis> ive never used code in linuxcnc without having to edit it
[23:44:39] <Rab> zeeshan, nice work!
[23:44:45] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8580/16650443325_884964a8f0_b.jpg
[23:44:50] <zeeshan> i cant beleive how good this degreaser works
[23:44:51] <bobo_> needs to be green
[23:44:52] <zeeshan> thanks man! :D
[23:45:32] <zeeshan> bobo i agree
[23:45:33] <zeeshan> haha
[23:45:35] <zeeshan> bloody green machines
[23:45:39] <zeeshan> im plagued by them
[23:45:50] <renesis> rab: i dont have toolchanger and lots of cam apps output fucked up non standard drill code
[23:45:51] <XXCoder> dang
[23:45:58] <XXCoder> zeeshan: from junk to amazing
[23:46:01] <Rab> renesis, as you might imagine, you can do sorta-3D CAM by building up layers in Inkscape and exporting them separately, then combining the gcodez into one job. But that takes some dedication.
[23:46:01] <renesis> so very least, i strip out tool changes
[23:46:20] <zeeshan> XXCoder: hehe!
[23:46:21] <XXCoder> Rab: or scripts
[23:46:21] <renesis> at that point if just be doing shit by hand
[23:46:22] <bobo_> you are just getting worn down on the green------LOL
[23:46:32] <zeeshan> bobo_: if i get another green machine
[23:46:33] <zeeshan> ill snap
[23:46:37] <zeeshan> :)
[23:46:44] <renesis> conditional gcode in linux cnc is probably better than it was like 8 years ago
[23:46:44] <XXCoder> and ship me all green machines right?
[23:47:02] <Rab> XXCoder, sure, I wrote a simple bash processor to munge a bunch of stuff I was having to repeat for each file.
[23:47:21] <bobo_> green shadow graph
[23:47:38] <zeeshan> luckily mitutoyo has some nice style
[23:47:39] <zeeshan> blue!
[23:47:44] <renesis> i just select from the safety block to the beginning of the actual moving code and hit delete
[23:47:49] <renesis> takes a few sec =)
[23:47:55] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ship me green machines then lol
[23:47:59] <zeeshan> XXCoder: never
[23:48:46] <renesis> tho i always love seeing the line where it sets my spindle speed
[23:48:51] <renesis> gotta rub it in and shit
[23:48:58] <zeeshan> inkscape sounds like its nurbs curves based?
[23:49:11] <XXCoder> nurbs dnno but its vector graphics
[23:49:14] <renesis> vector graphics, its free illustrator
[23:49:15] <XXCoder> uses SVG format
[23:49:28] <XXCoder> its one of best programs
[23:49:59] <zeeshan> oh it uses bezier curves
[23:50:00] <renesis> only alternative i can think of is dia and dia kind of sucks
[23:50:03] <zeeshan> nkscape has a comprehensive tool set to edit paths, as they are the basic element of a vector file. The Node tool allows editing single or multiple paths on single or multiple node levels by editing the position of nodes and control points of Bezier paths or Spiro curves.
[23:50:24] <renesis> well, right, because it has pen
[23:50:55] <renesis> i always found that weird, my pen irl doesnt do anything like that
[23:51:01] <Rab> My favorite use right now is to import mechanical drawings in PDF, scale them to 1:1, break the groups apart and delete extraneous stuff, then model assemblies.
[23:51:03] <zeeshan> i used autodesk alias
[23:51:09] <zeeshan> and that stuff was way beyond my head
[23:51:18] <renesis> rab: nice
[23:51:33] <Rab> renesis, I used to use xfig, which is fairly powerful but has a really bad '80s interface.
[23:51:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4x7DtfH.png
[23:51:46] <renesis> i recall
[23:51:48] <zeeshan> we had to make a car body
[23:51:50] <Rab> Not everybody provides models, but everybody has a datasheet.
[23:51:53] <zeeshan> as you can see, im not creative
[23:51:57] <renesis> had that xpdf aesthetic
[23:52:18] <renesis> looks like an audi tt
[23:52:26] <zeeshan> i dont know what i was thinking
[23:52:30] <zeeshan> i literally started with a box
[23:52:36] <zeeshan> with fenders, and then added curves
[23:52:41] <renesis> that basically is the simplified design concept of a tt
[23:52:57] <zeeshan> im not good with that stuff
[23:52:59] <Rab> ...or New Beetle
[23:53:07] <zeeshan> i hope to never use that software again
[23:53:24] <renesis> new beetle arcs change less
[23:53:41] <renesis> also the top arc flows into the body arc on a bug
[23:53:49] <zeeshan> stop calling my car a bettle
[23:53:50] <zeeshan> you bastards
[23:53:57] <renesis> http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2006/04/07-audi-tt-design/Audi-TT-old-new-comparison-lg.jpg
[23:53:57] <Rab> I actually like the New New Beetle.
[23:53:57] <zeeshan> :D
[23:54:05] <zeeshan> rab you must be gay!
[23:54:07] <zeeshan> jk
[23:54:08] <renesis> i didnt i called it a tt
[23:54:18] <zeeshan> oh wow rab
[23:54:20] <zeeshan> theyve changed it quite a bit
[23:54:23] <XXCoder> new new beetle does look nicer
[23:54:27] <renesis> i just dont like new beetles because the a pillars are ridiculous
[23:54:28] <zeeshan> looks way better
[23:54:31] <renesis> amazing design, tho
[23:54:33] <XXCoder> bubble one is meh
[23:54:47] <zeeshan> http://lotpro.com/blogphotos/Volkswagen/Motorsports/Rallycross/2015/tn_CAS14%202015%20Beetle%20Rallycross%207up%20(12).JPG
[23:54:48] <Rab> zeeshan, I drive a Volvo, so that puts me back in breeder territory.
[23:54:48] <zeeshan> i dig it
[23:54:55] <zeeshan> haha
[23:55:06] <zeeshan> http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/volkswagen/beetle/2014_01_14_volkswagen_beetle_dune_03.jpg
[23:55:08] <zeeshan> wow i really like this
[23:55:13] <zeeshan> looks good in two tone
[23:55:18] <renesis> https://www.google.com/search?q=new+beetle+profile&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=965&tbm=isch&imgil=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%253BbhIhFYMphDdJGM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.newcars.com%25252Fvolkswagen%25252Fnew-beetle%25252F2010&source=iu&pf=m&fir=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%252CbhIhFYMphDdJGM%252C_&usg=__5wna4SzdnuoeQzljzOfLZaM15tw%3D&ved=0CCcQyjc&ei=YLDuVOnuJ9fhoATBh4DwDA#imgdii=_&imgrc=tuCptfWdRpKtWM%253A%3BbhIhFYMphDdJGM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.newcars.com%252Fima
[23:55:25] <renesis> roof arc goes all the way to the bumper
[23:55:27] <XXCoder> nice and very long url
[23:55:28] <renesis> not zee's car
[23:55:31] <renesis> wtf url
[23:55:39] <renesis> http://images.newcars.com/images/car-pictures/original/2010-Volkswagen-New-Beetle-Coupe-Hatchback-2.5L-2dr-Hatchback-Exterior-Profile.png
[23:56:02] <Rab> renesis, A pillars are ridiculous on most vehicles now. That's probably most of the rollover protection.
[23:56:02] <XXCoder> I don't even see vw beetles around here
[23:56:07] <XXCoder> rarely old ones
[23:56:08] <renesis> rab: basically beetle has my cars biggest safety issue, but much worse
[23:56:15] <renesis> the A pillar is directly in dorward vision
[23:56:24] <renesis> and during turns is blocks massive FOV
[23:56:27] <renesis> because its so slanted
[23:56:30] <XXCoder> never see any new beetle or new new beetle (nor any new new new beetle lol)
[23:56:53] <renesis> rab: they can be thick and closer to the driver and not be as bad is more verticle
[23:57:09] <renesis> i think its mostly a design and aero thing
[23:57:19] <MacGalempsy> sorry not a fan of the new beatle!
[23:57:19] <renesis> its the reason my car is gorgeous
[23:57:41] <Rab> MacGalempsy, I thought the old New Beetle was pretty cheesy.
[23:57:42] <MacGalempsy> kind of looks like a PT Cruiser
[23:57:49] <renesis> http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2013-porsche-cayman-renderings-released_9.jpg
[23:57:57] <renesis> best new beetle ^
[23:58:07] <renesis> never wanted a 911, ever
[23:58:09] <renesis> want that
[23:58:18] <Rab> renesis, that's obviously where VW was trying to go. ;)
[23:58:31] <MacGalempsy> no arguement on the best new beetle, but who are you trying to kid about the 911?
[23:58:33] <renesis> their engine is still in the wrong place
[23:58:36] <renesis> thats mid
[23:58:54] <MacGalempsy> we'll race and then you can change your mind :)
[23:59:04] <MacGalempsy> you can get a good look from the back
[23:59:06] <renesis> 911 is a beetle
[23:59:15] <Cromaglious> yup
[23:59:20] <renesis> id rather have a 914, 944, 928, cayman, or boxter
[23:59:21] <MacGalempsy> maybe back in the day
[23:59:26] <renesis> no dude
[23:59:32] <renesis> the 911 is continuous development
[23:59:37] <renesis> literally the only car like that
[23:59:38] <Cromaglious> 914 is a mid engine as well as a Fiero
[23:59:50] <renesis> 911 is directly descendent of a 356, which is blatantly a sport beetle
[23:59:54] <Cromaglious> My Brother has a 912