#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-24

[00:00:26] <zeeshan> that projector looks fancy
[00:03:36] <zeeshan> https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8575/16630381372_c44af76dfb_k.jpg
[00:03:43] <zeeshan> finally picked up the tool cart
[00:04:04] <zeeshan> i think im gonna mount a piece of plywood on it and put the cnc mill comp screen/keyboard/mouse on it
[00:04:22] <zeeshan> and mount my small vice to that
[00:05:21] <zeeshan> i need some purple power to clean the tool holders
[00:05:26] <zeeshan> theyre supposed to be red!
[00:06:10] <KimK_laptop> Any Kicad users around tonight? (sorry, off-topic, but just a quick newbie Q)
[00:07:08] <Mr_Sheesh> I've used it somewhat, KimK_laptop, on WinXP and Ubuntu, I can try to help
[00:09:18] <KimK_laptop> I can't make the "clarify selection" dialog work. I can see that it's recognizing my choice by the (eeschem) part library editor "status line"(?), but I can't separate the two text strings, I can grab and move both or neither. What's the trick?
[00:11:17] <KimK_laptop> I have been using Kicad for, oh, about 1 minute before I hit this snag. So, yes, complete noob here.
[00:13:02] <KimK_laptop> I'm using it on Linux Mint 17.1, 64-bit, Cinnamon, and built from the install script, if that helps (probably not).
[00:14:22] <KimK_laptop> I didn't mean to bring the channel to a stop, lol, chat on, all!
[00:18:01] <tjtr33> who was looking for aluminum boxes? these are die cast http://www.mpja.com/02-24-15.asp?r=382120&s=28
[00:18:33] <zeeshan> i think it was furrywolf
[00:19:47] <KimK_laptop> They seem to have a selection of different sizes there too. Hi tjtr33.
[00:20:34] <tjtr33> KimK_laptop, just a thought, the gcad3d is really APT inside. I forget the gents name who did all the APT programming. but hello to all
[00:22:15] <KimK_laptop> gcad3d, I don't recognize that name right off, I'll look...
[00:24:59] <zeeshan> hi
[00:25:00] <zeeshan> :]
[00:25:45] <MacGalempsy> evening
[00:25:47] <KimK_laptop> Found it here: http://www.gcad3d.org/ The license seems pretty open, if non-specific.
[00:26:12] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: how goes the tuning
[00:26:33] <MacGalempsy> got the x and y to 0.0001
[00:26:37] <zeeshan> nice!
[00:26:40] <zeeshan> what did you tune
[00:26:44] <MacGalempsy> no matter what, still had to use I and D
[00:27:04] <zeeshan> maybe your drives arent velocity feedback :P
[00:27:05] <KimK_laptop> Mr_Sheesh: Would a screenshot help? Otherwise, don't wear yourself out on this thing, somebody will know.
[00:27:05] <MacGalempsy> but who cares cuz at this point it is good
[00:27:55] <MacGalempsy> got some hold down stuff in the mail today. waiting on relays
[00:28:52] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: how is your machine coming along?
[00:29:02] <zeeshan> just trying to find drawbar parts
[00:29:09] <zeeshan> =)
[00:29:12] <zeeshan> it works though!
[00:29:25] <MacGalempsy> muy excellente amigo!
[00:30:20] <MacGalempsy> after going through my log book from 2 years ago, the z and x were definately mislabled and reversed
[00:30:56] <zeeshan> hbehe
[00:31:08] <zeeshan> happens
[00:31:09] <MacGalempsy> kind of nervous about hooking up the VFD...
[00:31:12] <zeeshan> at least you didnt ground an input
[00:31:16] <zeeshan> and wonder why it never changes state
[00:31:17] <MacGalempsy> yeah!
[00:31:30] <zeeshan> are you using analog to control it?
[00:31:32] <zeeshan> or modbus
[00:31:33] <MacGalempsy> well, it is hooked up,
[00:31:43] <MacGalempsy> its hooked into the analog
[00:32:17] <MacGalempsy> any advice?
[00:32:27] <MacGalempsy> its pretty much hooked up just like the servos
[00:32:33] <zeeshan> it should be
[00:32:43] <zeeshan> at least the analog part
[00:34:05] <zeeshan> i'm not doing any pid on the spindle
[00:34:07] <zeeshan> so i just use modbus
[00:34:12] <zeeshan> its slower but it gets the job done
[00:34:25] <zeeshan> i think im gonna try hooking up analog on the lathe
[00:34:31] <zeeshan> cause id like to get some pid on the spindle
[00:34:39] <zeeshan> control
[00:36:16] <bobo_> zeeshan have you measured the Horz spindle Face to pull stud gripper shaft ? next i am going to get on about trying the vert. head s Quill
[00:36:17] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16444285540/
[00:36:36] <MacGalempsy> there is my reverse engineered wiring diagram of the Benchman XT
[00:36:39] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: thats very visual
[00:36:39] <zeeshan> lol
[00:36:41] <zeeshan> nice man
[00:36:57] <zeeshan> bobo_: visually looks about the same
[00:36:57] <zeeshan> :)
[00:37:12] <zeeshan> bobo_: id need to make a handle for it
[00:37:16] <zeeshan> maybe one day
[00:37:17] <zeeshan> :)
[00:37:30] <MacGalempsy> that diagram took about 3 months of sollid effort, tracking down the user manuals was a BEOTCH!
[00:37:51] <zeeshan> looks great man
[00:37:53] <zeeshan> i like it a lot
[00:38:03] <zeeshan> looks a lot better than my wiring diagram
[00:38:07] <zeeshan> which is just "engineering style"
[00:38:19] <MacGalempsy> im a geologist, so it needed to be easy to read
[00:38:27] <zeeshan> find me some gold
[00:38:44] <zeeshan> what is this i hear about
[00:38:49] <MacGalempsy> I find black gold, texas tea
[00:38:49] <zeeshan> "quartz veins have gold near them"
[00:39:03] <MacGalempsy> some do, and they are usually within the veins
[00:39:15] <zeeshan> is there a good book to read about stuff like that?
[00:39:18] <zeeshan> i try to find info
[00:39:20] <zeeshan> but its like all over the place
[00:39:29] <zeeshan> it'd be fun to do it as a hobby
[00:39:34] <MacGalempsy> where do you live?
[00:39:39] <zeeshan> ontario
[00:39:41] <zeeshan> im near the ring of fire
[00:39:44] <zeeshan> which is a hot spot right now
[00:39:55] <zeeshan> well 14 hour drive from there
[00:39:59] <zeeshan> but i'd go there for fun
[00:40:48] <MacGalempsy_> sorry got booted
[00:40:53] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:41:30] <zeeshan> i said im in toronto area
[00:41:33] <zeeshan> ontario, canada
[00:41:36] <MacGalempsy_> ok
[00:41:38] <zeeshan> which is like 14 hours from the ring of fire
[00:41:44] <zeeshan> tons of claims there
[00:42:02] <MacGalempsy_> you can find in the ring of fire, but you can also find in the canadian shield
[00:42:22] <MacGalempsy_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gold_mines_in_Canada
[00:42:42] <zeeshan> wow
[00:42:49] <zeeshan> temagami isnt far from me
[00:43:15] <MacGalempsy_> with google earth being so high res, I would look at mines around you, then kind of search the area some
[00:43:35] <zeeshan> i dont wanna open a mine!
[00:43:41] <KimK_laptop> Mr_Sheesh: Thanks very much, but I finally got an answer from someone in the (sleepy) Kicad channel. I appreciate it just the same though. (Short answer: As expected, I was doing it wrong, lol.)
[00:43:41] <MacGalempsy_> but if you are going to look for a mine, why be picky? just find the most economic and exploit it!
[00:43:57] <zeeshan> i just want to go hiking and panning
[00:44:00] <zeeshan> its relaxing
[00:44:01] <zeeshan> :]
[00:44:29] * zeeshan thinks geologists are cool
[00:44:38] <zeeshan> they know the damn ground.
[00:44:47] <zeeshan> when civil engineers need a foundation done
[00:44:48] <MacGalempsy_> thanks. lol. we know how to make the bed rock
[00:44:54] <zeeshan> tthey consult mr geologists
[00:48:17] <bobo_> MacGalempsy that wiring diagram is neat . similar to the Heath-kit days
[00:49:19] <KimK_laptop> MacGalempsy_: Yes, I was going to say, that's a very nice visual(?) physical(?) non-schematic(?) wiring diagram, what app did you use to create it?
[00:51:13] <zeeshan> bobo_: machine me a handle
[00:51:21] <bobo_> zeeshan you 2 need to visit ssi , take the gold pan along ----think there is an old Ruby mine
[00:51:52] <bobo_> near him
[00:52:04] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy_ doesn't have time for that
[00:52:12] <zeeshan> he's too busy buying porches from all the oil he's found
[00:52:14] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:53:04] <bobo_> you and your other ( better looking ) half
[00:53:26] <zeeshan> lol
[00:53:30] <zeeshan> she'll get bored
[00:53:38] <zeeshan> maybe if i gave her a ruby
[00:53:40] <zeeshan> then she'd come
[00:53:58] <zeeshan> she helped me assemble the tool kart today
[00:54:11] <zeeshan> i had to clean the dishes after :]
[00:54:35] <bobo_> sounds fair
[00:56:27] <zeeshan> its bed time my friends
[00:56:28] <zeeshan> gnite
[00:56:35] <bobo_> there is or was Alanta underground----- may be your speed
[00:56:56] <zeeshan> bobo_: i love canada
[00:56:59] <zeeshan> i want to explore it more
[00:57:05] <zeeshan> especially the remote areas
[00:57:23] <zeeshan> i swear one of these days, i might not make it back
[00:57:38] <bobo_> black flies
[00:57:40] <zeeshan> last time i was out for a hike
[00:57:52] <zeeshan> had bear encounter
[00:58:22] <zeeshan> black flies are pretty brutal too
[00:58:47] <zeeshan> and im also a bit stupid
[00:58:52] <zeeshan> i like to eat random fruit off bushes
[00:59:24] <zeeshan> wild blue berries taste nothing like store bought berries
[00:59:29] <zeeshan> theyre so good!
[00:59:39] <zeeshan> theyre the perfect mix of tangy and sweet
[01:00:45] <bobo_> just stay out of the bear's berry patch
[01:01:12] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps8c0bbb7c.jpg
[01:01:22] <zeeshan> i ate those
[01:01:23] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zpsea40aef8.jpg
[01:01:26] <zeeshan> these ones i didnt
[01:01:32] <zeeshan> they looked a bit sketchy.
[01:01:40] <MacGalempsy_> KimK_laptop: it was Adobe Illustrator
[01:03:48] <MacGalempsy_> zeeshan: you are right, I do need another porsche
[01:04:00] <MacGalempsy_> like a 75 RSR
[01:04:10] <bobo_> zeeshan jeromya johnson movie ?
[01:04:35] <zeeshan> bobo_: i have not watched :)
[01:04:59] <zeeshan> i would love to live off the grid
[01:05:04] <zeeshan> one day.. one day.
[01:05:08] <bobo_> might enjoy it
[01:05:15] <zeeshan> as long as i have my cnc machines
[01:05:18] <zeeshan> wife , cat
[01:05:32] <KimK_laptop> MacGalempsy_: Thanks, and again, very nicely done. I'll have to try doing something similar sometime using Gimp and see how far I can get.
[01:05:42] <zeeshan> but honestly, after im back after a week of hiking
[01:05:45] <zeeshan> i do miss civilization,
[01:05:48] <zeeshan> so maybe not
[01:05:57] <MacGalempsy_> the nice thing about illustrator is that it is all vector
[01:06:12] <bobo_> thorium generator
[01:06:28] <MacGalempsy_> so making the wiring match the colors and stripes in the machine was easier
[01:06:43] <zeeshan> my skin color is brown
[01:07:19] <zeeshan> just dreaming about a nuclear power generator would get me in trouble! :P
[01:07:39] <MacGalempsy_> there is an old slovakian saying, dont ask a man to borrow is car, his wife, or his toothbrush
[01:07:40] <zeeshan> ive looked into extracting power from a stream
[01:07:53] <bobo_> so ? sell tanning booths
[01:08:11] <zeeshan> lol mac
[01:09:57] <zeeshan> zzzzzz
[01:10:57] <MacGalempsy_> well. trying to decide if I should start messing with the VFD, or wait until the relays get here like I promised myself
[01:12:36] <bobo_> go for it ------dam the relays , full speed ahead
[01:15:51] <MacGalempsy_> zeeshan: do you have a dirt bike or 4x4?
[01:16:54] <MacGalempsy_> im going to work on tuning the z drive a little better. for some reason, when I hit the home button, the thing jumps .0001"
[01:17:42] <tiwake> for anyone that shoots competition bow&arrow stuff... performance archery gear is going to be a good name brand
[01:17:57] <tiwake> :P
[01:18:34] <tiwake> been working with the guy closely over the last few weeks helping him develop the product and make some trial runs
[01:28:49] <MacGalempsy_> been writing an abstract for a talk and hoping draft 4 is the last one!
[01:36:00] <bobo_> back later need to recharge
[01:42:16] <archivist> MacGalempsy_, .0001" is pretty damned good
[01:42:42] <MacGalempsy_> thanks!
[01:43:52] <archivist> becomes hard at those levels to separate mechanical errors from the driving/feedback errors
[01:54:13] <MacGalempsy_> well, the abstract is finally in wiht 3 days left before the deadline!
[01:57:17] <MacGalempsy_> archivist: im hoping the rest of it goes a little smoother... from a non engineer standpoint, this is pretty complicated
[01:58:31] <archivist> once you have done it a few times it becomes like riding a bike
[02:00:04] <MacGalempsy_> true, a good technical writer could make the learning process easier
[02:01:47] <archivist> join in the to help on the docs
[02:02:07] <archivist> there is a duplication of info problem too
[02:02:28] <MacGalempsy_> been considering that once my first machine is 100%
[02:02:48] <MacGalempsy_> then can make a laymans guide.
[02:03:33] <MacGalempsy_> it is similar to when I give a technical talk to people who are not up to speed with the lingo, so its no ones fault
[02:05:04] <archivist> jt has been trying to do that too on his site
[02:05:34] <archivist> and there are wiki pages
[02:05:48] <MacGalempsy_> his site has been really helpful
[02:07:14] <archivist> which makes something I said about an archive I volunteered at seem similar, islands of info and no integrated whole
[02:09:21] <MacGalempsy_> with all the different card types, motor types, etc... the task at hand is difficult
[02:10:06] <Storyteller> general cnc talk in here?
[02:10:26] <archivist> machine types, user types and needs
[02:10:28] <MacGalempsy_> I am like a 1st lutinent
[02:10:30] <MacGalempsy_> lol
[02:11:04] <archivist> Storyteller, as long as it does not include mach :)
[02:11:16] <MacGalempsy_> hahaha
[02:11:21] <Storyteller> mach ?
[02:11:27] <MacGalempsy_> exactly
[02:11:38] <archivist> or grbl or other simple toys
[02:12:38] <Storyteller> just interested in making molds for miniatures
[02:12:45] <Storyteller> or concrete
[02:13:12] <MacGalempsy_> Storyteller: cnc is excellent for that
[02:13:36] <archivist> somewhat different quality and strength needed there
[02:13:45] <Storyteller> yes
[02:13:50] <Storyteller> hi archivist
[02:14:08] <Storyteller> fancy seeing you here... as well as 9 other channels Ifrequent
[02:15:01] <archivist> been here for years, being as I built and converted a few cncs all using linuxcnc
[02:15:03] <Storyteller> so, how many axis? 3020? 3040? what do I need?
[02:15:14] <Storyteller> whats it all mean?
[02:16:11] <archivist> you need a real mill for injection mold making, not aluminium extrusions
[02:16:12] <MacGalempsy_> usually people pick the machine by the accuracy and project they want to use it on
[02:17:46] <MacGalempsy_> i dont imagine concrete lawn gnomes need a high level of accuracy or precision, but of course the finer the resolution, the more expensive it can be
[02:18:47] <archivist> large solid molds for gnomes need to be strong to handle the treatment they will get in the process
[02:18:55] <Storyteller> so, what do you mean by 'real mill' ?
[02:19:05] <archivist> a milling machine
[02:19:19] <Storyteller> Im seeing people use epoxy for injection molds
[02:19:34] <Storyteller> but I had thought aluminum molds might be better
[02:19:40] <archivist> a router made from extrusions is rather lightweight
[02:20:19] <Storyteller> well, money is a factor
[02:20:27] <archivist> we see "why is the finish crap" type questions from router owners
[02:20:44] <Storyteller> ok, so not a "3020"
[02:20:56] <Storyteller> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc
[02:21:08] <archivist> you can slow down and use very small cutes to get away with a lighter machine
[02:21:19] <archivist> cuts
[02:21:26] <MacGalempsy_> how big of a concrete object do you want to make? budget?
[02:21:53] <Storyteller> well, concrete I want like 3' x 3' x 3'
[02:22:04] <Storyteller> gryphons, lions etc
[02:22:10] <Storyteller> but thats down the way
[02:22:13] <archivist> I did go to a concrete paving slab maker and did see the process
[02:22:39] <Storyteller> for miniatures,I was looking at 100mm cube
[02:22:44] <MacGalempsy_> that small you could try your designs out with an inexpensive 3d printer
[02:22:46] <archivist> you fill a mold on a vibrating table
[02:23:05] <Storyteller> I have a cncrete statue company
[02:23:06] <MacGalempsy_> make the mold with that
[02:23:15] <Storyteller> yes, thats one option
[02:23:18] <MacGalempsy_> sorry 3' I thought 3"
[02:23:30] <MacGalempsy_> 3' is big.
[02:24:04] <MacGalempsy_> traditional approach of carving with wax, then making a plaster mold is out of the question?
[02:24:17] <archivist> I dont expect aluminium molds to last that long on concrete
[02:24:45] <archivist> production v one offs
[02:25:16] <MacGalempsy_> you could always have an artist make the wax statue, then have a machine shop make the molds with an expensive machine
[02:25:33] <archivist> you can use a vibrating poker instead of the table
[02:25:36] <Storyteller> concrete is different, you use a master
[02:25:40] <MacGalempsy_> or heck, even do the design in cad then send it to a cnc shop.
[02:25:44] <Storyteller> and make latex molds
[02:26:00] <Storyteller> but there are aluminum molds, some of my best are
[02:26:38] <Deejay> moin
[02:26:56] <MacGalempsy_> archivist: it sounds like the aluminum prototype was used to make a latex mold. correct?
[02:27:11] <Storyteller> it just depends
[02:27:19] <Storyteller> my baby elephant is aluminum
[02:27:23] <archivist> depends on ones shapes
[02:27:37] <Storyteller> its... 1x1x2 feet or so
[02:27:40] <MacGalempsy_> a machine to cut 3'x3'x3' is going to be very expensive
[02:27:41] <Storyteller> 32"
[02:27:52] <Storyteller> yeah
[02:28:01] <Storyteller> Im looking at desktop miniature stuff
[02:28:08] <archivist> can there be a sensible release line/joint in two mold halves
[02:28:23] <Storyteller> the spine
[02:28:29] <Storyteller> and underbelly
[02:28:52] <archivist> in that case yes
[02:28:58] <MacGalempsy_> hi Deejay
[02:29:34] <archivist> but there are 4 legs so should be a multi section mold
[02:30:06] <archivist> but depends on qty
[02:32:45] <Storyteller> no, the legs are open, its where you fill
[02:32:57] <Storyteller> its hardto explain without looking at it
[02:33:15] <Storyteller> its like 'walking' or posed in step and kinda curved
[02:33:20] <Storyteller> but its a 2 piece
[02:33:25] <archivist> I realise the feet are the fill point
[02:33:30] <Storyteller> bolts together
[02:33:51] <MattyMatt> lost foam?
[02:33:58] <archivist> has to be a rubber to get off if only a 2 part
[02:34:18] <Storyteller> no, I own the thing
[02:34:22] <Storyteller> its aluminum
[02:34:34] <archivist> how many can you make per latex though
[02:34:43] <MattyMatt> make a big lightweight router that can do foam blocks. put a shell of silicone/fibreglass, burn out the foam
[02:35:15] <MattyMatt> or undo the mould and extract the foam, like you would for the concrete :)
[02:36:12] <Storyteller> http://www.concretemachineryco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=348
[02:36:19] <Storyteller> that one
[02:36:49] <MattyMatt> Storyteller. I had exactly the same plan, but I was gonna start with lions that sit on an English gatepost, so about 8" square on the base
[02:37:32] <Storyteller> cool
[02:38:15] <MattyMatt> or 9" rather, if the walls were made with english size bricks
[02:38:29] <MattyMatt> instead of the new smaller ones
[02:39:03] <Storyteller> latex varies, how thick/how many layers of latex
[02:39:26] <Storyteller> what reinfocing you put in the latex (cheesecloth, carbon fiber()
[02:39:51] <Storyteller> I had a mold I used.. 5 times, a 31" tall lion and it disintegrated
[02:40:02] <Storyteller> incompatible mold release maybe
[02:40:16] <MattyMatt> there's some body moulding vids on youtube. they all use a soft shell and a separate hard case
[02:40:22] <Storyteller> I have others Ive used... 50 times maybe
[02:40:37] <Storyteller> yeah, latex + fiberglass
[02:40:53] <Storyteller> but herein, where does the master come from?
[02:41:06] <Storyteller> I can 3d model, so, cnc is useful
[02:41:16] <MattyMatt> with body moulding, usually a pneumatic drama student
[02:41:27] <MattyMatt> just lie still dear
[02:41:38] <Storyteller> "pneu----matic"
[02:41:57] <MattyMatt> inflated
[02:42:04] <Storyteller> ah, lol
[02:42:14] <MattyMatt> buxom etc
[02:42:40] <Storyteller> but then, what about, wings, horns, animals, beaks, birds, gargoyles, dragons, etc
[02:43:00] <MattyMatt> latex shell peels off
[02:43:16] <Storyteller> well, for life casting you use alginate
[02:43:26] <Storyteller> latex thick enough to use takes weeks to make
[02:43:28] <MattyMatt> foamed latex if you need it extra flexible
[02:45:11] <MattyMatt> I'm sick of 3d modelling everything, so I'm making a 3d scanner so I can make originals out of mud or wood, hand carved
[02:46:54] <Storyteller> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/aluminum-concrete-molds btw
[02:48:20] <MattyMatt> those look they're lost wax cast
[02:49:01] <MattyMatt> take original, cover in wax, cut off in sections, invest each section
[02:50:23] <Storyteller> the company has been making them for ages, I have no idea how they do it
[02:50:49] <Storyteller> if you look into a lot of the abs vacuum formed, Ibelieve many of the mastes are cnc'd steel
[02:51:11] <Storyteller> but, they have monster cnc's at the big factories
[02:53:22] <MattyMatt> I'd expect alu to last long enough. they can't make that many of the same mould
[02:54:32] <archivist> to be machining aluminium blocks, you do need a sensible machine
[02:54:33] <MattyMatt> when used as injection mould dies, you can get around 10k impressions off alu at high fidelity
[02:55:55] <MattyMatt> and the first symptom of wear is flash at the joins, which probably doesn't matter so much for concrete cats :)
[02:57:31] <MattyMatt> wrong channel here, but you could just make a giant 3d printer and print ABS moulds directly
[02:58:26] <MattyMatt> if you make the moulds in smaller sections, you don't need a printer as big as your final statues
[03:00:03] <MattyMatt> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/japan-Magna-3d-printer-1.png
[03:00:41] <MattyMatt> maybe overdoing it, but you can see even at that size they're much lighter and cheaper than a mill of the same capacity
[03:02:41] <MattyMatt> you could even fit a concrete nozzle and just print the statues
[03:03:16] <MattyMatt> but that'd likely leave visible layers
[03:12:27] <Storyteller> for large models, my plan was to print sections with registration spurs and sockets
[03:12:33] <Storyteller> then assemble them
[03:13:04] <Storyteller> atm, Im looking at high detail miniatures
[03:13:12] <Storyteller> FDM printers are unacceptable
[03:13:19] <Storyteller> SLA is getting there
[03:13:51] <Storyteller> but cnc to injection is really nice, especially for mass production
[03:17:50] <archivist> for good accurate detail a reasonable mill is needed
[03:19:40] <RyanS> is 0.015mm vs 0.008 run out tolerance in er32 collets a big deal for manual milling, hobby cnc? The close tolerance is more than double the price
[03:20:16] <archivist> accuracy costs money
[03:21:04] <archivist> some makers make huge qtys and measure then sell the better ones at a premium
[03:23:22] <RyanS> I'm just asking if 0.015 is sufficient ?
[03:24:40] <archivist> probably, remember we dont know what you are going to make
[03:26:37] <Storyteller> ok, so, a 'cheap mill' is $400
[03:26:58] <Storyteller> a 3020 is around $500-600
[03:27:11] <Storyteller> what do I need for a 'real mill' ?
[03:28:41] <archivist> some of the smaller lightweight mills are just inaccurate toys for amateurs ta make random stuff on, you want to make production molds
[03:29:09] <archivist> you can make a machine to do what you want
[03:29:19] <Storyteller> ok, but Im just starting up, what price range are those in?
[03:29:47] <Storyteller> and would a cheap mill help me build a better one?
[03:29:56] <archivist> it can
[03:30:25] <Storyteller> could I use the cheap mill to make wax masters and use lost wax to make metal molds?
[03:30:33] <archivist> often a second hand industrial mill is cheap enough to upgrade/cnc
[03:32:00] <Storyteller> link?
[03:32:11] <archivist> eg my mill is 5 axis but while I can make accurate clock gears I dont think I can make molds on it
[03:32:39] <Storyteller> that doesnt make much sense
[03:33:00] <archivist> because of machine stiffness
[03:34:02] <archivist> until you suffer machine vibration and the faults in the work that gives you may not understand
[03:34:59] <Storyteller> there is no teacher equal to experience
[03:35:41] <archivist> you can use a high speed spindle and very small cuts on a light weight machine but that is very low
[03:35:47] <archivist> low/slow
[03:36:13] <Storyteller> that would be ok to get started
[03:36:25] <Storyteller> idk, sla printing may be better
[03:36:34] <Storyteller> and make molds from epoxy
[05:41:20] <Deejay> moin
[06:02:43] <MacGalempsy_> goodnight!
[06:33:55] <_methods> the builbot.linuxnc.org instructions say to put the stanzas for version in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc-buildbot.list
[06:34:06] <_methods> so i need to get rid of linuxcnc.list?
[06:34:35] <_methods> or should i just add the version repo location to linuxcnc.list and not use linuxcnc-buildbot.list?
[06:37:40] <_methods> this is what i have in linuxcnc.list now
[06:37:45] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/CWn08jiQ
[06:38:10] <_methods> i'd like to run 2.7 though not 2.6
[06:38:38] <_methods> should i just change them to say 2.7?
[06:40:17] <Swapper> 3deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rt
[06:40:17] <Swapper> deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rt
[06:40:25] <Swapper> i have that in my sources.list
[06:40:29] <_methods> i thought master was on 2.8?
[06:40:32] <Swapper> and i get 2.7
[06:40:35] <Swapper> master
[06:40:35] <_methods> k
[06:40:52] <Swapper> yea its 2.8
[06:40:54] <Swapper> sorry
[06:40:58] <Swapper> im running 2.8
[06:41:28] <_methods> yeah i don't have any linuxcnc stuff in sources.list
[06:41:32] <Swapper> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[06:41:35] <_methods> it's allin sources.list.d
[06:41:36] <Swapper> check that list
[06:41:41] <_methods> yeah id id
[06:41:54] <_methods> they only show 2.6, 2.5 and master
[06:42:11] <_methods> i guess i'll comment out the base lines
[06:42:22] <Swapper> yea your right
[06:42:22] <_methods> just leave 2.6-rt for now then
[06:42:33] <Swapper> duno if 2.7 is released like that then ?
[06:42:46] <_methods> it isn't but it's not as unstable as master i guess
[06:43:18] <Swapper> i guess 2.7 is the new stable ?
[06:43:19] <_methods> just kinda figured they'd want users on it for testing
[06:43:26] <Swapper> if you run with stable
[06:43:26] <_methods> not yet i don't think
[06:43:45] <_methods> maybe i'll just run master
[06:43:52] <Swapper> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/
[06:44:01] <Swapper> next stable version 2.7
[06:44:30] <_methods> yeah
[06:50:14] <_methods> yeah i just changed 2.6-rt in linuxcnc.list to 2.7-rt and it didn't error out this time
[06:50:29] <_methods> i think i tried changing base 2.7 last night and got an error
[06:50:46] <Swapper> ahh ok
[06:51:02] <_methods> i commented out base and just left 2.7-rt active
[06:51:19] <_methods> seems to be doing the trick
[06:53:11] <_methods> autocomplete isn't on by default in terminal in debian lol
[07:02:43] <_methods> nm i'm an idiot it's my vnc startup script
[07:02:59] <_methods> #!/bin/sh like a dummy
[07:08:26] <membiblio> good morning
[07:10:12] <_methods> hello
[07:16:03] * JT-Shop wonders if I should use terminal blocks for the nema 17 steppers to the ramps board
[07:16:25] <_methods> it makes it cleaner probably
[07:16:39] <_methods> easier to change stuff out if you want to move things later on
[07:17:34] <JT-Shop> I have a box full of terminal blocks with spring clamps
[07:17:52] <JT-Shop> just remembered them
[07:19:13] <Jymmm> spring clamps???
[07:20:20] <_methods> yeah
[07:20:25] <_methods> those things are nice
[07:20:50] <Jymmm> never heard f em, I keep thinking 101 Electronics Kits
[07:21:34] <_methods> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/assets/images_ed/global/web_content_1col/pic_con1_a_0057154_int.jpg
[07:21:50] <_methods> there are other similar types
[07:21:55] <Jymmm> Oh, spring loaded
[07:21:55] <_methods> but that was the first pic i found
[07:22:20] <_methods> http://d20tdhwx2i89n1.cloudfront.net/image/upload/t_next_gen_article_large_480/eyqzth1cdnz2r7a1zr2ukg.jpg
[07:22:47] <Jymmm> I was thinking these =) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YKaagcipm_Y/ULplryFQEPI/AAAAAAAAA80/EIMOypqiDx8/s1600/160-1.jpg
[07:23:14] <_methods> oh damn
[07:23:15] <Jymmm> Well, those aren't spring, just lever claps, aren't they?
[07:23:20] <_methods> old school
[07:23:24] <Jymmm> clamps*
[07:23:30] <_methods> i had that damn thing when i was a kid
[07:23:37] <Jymmm> ditto
[07:23:39] <_methods> that solar thing hahah
[07:23:43] <_methods> and the buzzer
[07:23:46] <Jymmm> the AM radio
[07:24:07] <_methods> heh my granpa got that for me for xmas
[07:25:02] <membiblio> If I need to create non realtime peripherals, such as a vacuum table or something else, but I've run out of parallel port pins but I have a large non real time io subsystem that runs off of serial port AT commands - how do I integrate that peripheral into linuxcnc?
[07:25:28] <Swapper> membiblio: pyserial probably
[07:25:31] <archivist> classicladder possibly
[07:25:45] <Swapper> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_halmodule.html
[07:26:08] <membiblio> ok thank you swapper looking now
[07:26:19] <Jymmm> membiblio: add a 2nd paraport card?
[07:28:13] <membiblio> jymmm machines with busses are getting hard to come by - I would like to work towards a long term easy to implement solution to lots of non real time io. I think the serial AT expansion route may be the right path. Basically it is a inexpensive NUM solution.
[07:28:27] <_methods> mesa with daughter cards
[07:28:53] <Jymmm> YEah, I'd say Mesa too, if you want lots of I/O
[07:29:31] <Jymmm> If you just need 1or 2, then ghetto together the AT stuff.
[07:29:48] <Jymmm> but it's all duct tape IMNSMO
[07:30:24] <Swapper> membiblio: the other real cheap way to get low latecny io is hal2aruino
[07:30:48] <Swapper> but thats lightyears differenace compared to Mesas stuff
[07:30:55] <Swapper> in dependability
[07:31:19] <Swapper> membiblio: is it for production type stuff?
[07:43:23] <Tom_itx> membiblio, 7i84 & 7i71 come to mind
[07:44:05] <Tom_itx> using a 7I90 as the main board you have choices to interface to it
[07:45:35] <Tom_itx> you can run the parport to it and move all your io over to it
[07:51:05] <membiblio> Ok thank you. The 7i84 looks interesting.
[07:52:42] <membiblio> So does the hal2arduino path. Again thanks.
[08:10:47] <Swapper> np
[08:22:48] <_methods> how long do you guys usually run latency test for?
[08:25:39] <archivist> some test for a day or two, I run a few hours but do rattle the box with known problem programs
[08:26:13] <_methods> yeah i've always just done it for a couple hours
[08:26:25] <_methods> but i hear people talkin about doing it for days......
[08:26:45] <archivist> glxgears is a sensible test, I find scrolling a large text file in gedit is another killer
[08:27:08] <_methods> hmmm
[08:27:09] <_methods> i'll try that
[08:27:28] <archivist> all depends on your hardware and how programs use it
[08:28:19] <archivist> some disk access or network access also
[08:28:33] <miss0r|shop> i'm having serious issues tracking down a cylindrical ballnut for the rm1605 axle. At china prices, that it. Do you guys know where I can find that?
[08:29:03] <_methods> for the sfu1605 ballscrew?
[08:29:17] <archivist> each ballscrew maker has their own nuts
[08:29:45] <_methods> i think he wants a ballnut without flange
[08:29:58] <archivist> I would never dream of getting the nuts from a different supplier/maker
[08:30:04] <miss0r|shop> _methods: yes - i'll buy the axle the same place. The important thing is that it is 16mm diameter and has a 5mm pitch
[08:30:09] <miss0r|shop> indeed- no flange
[08:30:58] <_methods> i think you want the bsr1605
[08:31:09] <miss0r|shop> archivist: I don't have the axles yet - I will buy them the same place. I just need a supplyer
[08:31:32] <miss0r|shop> _methods: Something like that, yes
[08:32:24] <archivist> I think most use flanges because that gives you some adjustment to get stuff in line
[08:32:58] <miss0r|shop> I think you are right about that. but I have something like (spare room)^-2
[08:33:16] <_methods> http://www.bstlinear.com/news/product/201002/news_16.html
[08:34:17] <miss0r|shop> No need for the thread on the end thou
[08:34:42] <miss0r|shop> I am going to turn a small groove in it, and lock it in with pinol screws
[08:37:39] <miss0r|shop> I think it might actualy be cheaper to buy a sfu1605 and just machine the flange off.
[08:38:08] <_methods> probably sincd sfu1605 is like $16
[08:38:13] <_methods> hard to beat that
[08:38:31] <miss0r|shop> yeah. it would be lovely to buy something that actualy fits from the start thou
[08:38:42] <miss0r|shop> but i'll go with the cheap solution ;)
[08:38:43] <archivist> keep some flange either side
[08:39:03] <archivist> two flats
[08:39:13] <miss0r|shop> why? :=
[08:39:46] <miss0r|shop> I only have 2,5 mm room to spare round the cylindrical part
[08:40:51] <miss0r|shop> I found the axles and nuts I needed at a local supplyer here in Denmark. But they wanted ~1000USD for 2x nuts and 2x axles.
[08:40:57] <miss0r|shop> so its back to china for me
[08:43:03] <Swapper> arent the flanges hardend ?
[08:43:05] <Swapper> and the nut
[08:43:09] <_methods> yeah
[08:43:16] <Swapper> quite hard to make a grove in that
[08:43:19] <_methods> they cut fine with carbide
[08:43:38] <_methods> i cut mine down with my x2 and carbide endmill
[08:43:46] <Swapper> ahh ok
[08:43:48] <Swapper> good 2 know
[08:43:56] <_methods> could only take like .05" depth of cut
[08:44:02] <Swapper> i took one flange off with anglegrinder
[08:44:04] <archivist> miss0r|shop, google eichenberger gewinde
[08:44:34] <miss0r|shop> about that. I need to identify one of thoes small indexable cutters. Can I send you a picture and perhaps you know it? it is a small triangle carbide cutter for my lathe
[08:44:35] <archivist> swiss made but has a picture like you want on a brochure I have here
[08:45:14] <Swapper> miss0r|shop: you need the dimensions of the insert to get the right one
[08:46:52] <archivist> the tool it is from should have a sensible number on it
[08:47:43] <_methods> probably tcmt
[08:48:02] <_methods> what is the thickness of the the shank on the toolholder
[08:48:40] <miss0r|shop> http://picpaste.com/pics/DSC_0054-goRIwci0.1424788064.JPG
[08:49:00] <miss0r|shop> theres the picture. and the tool says: CTGPR 1212F 11
[08:49:07] <_methods> oh no insert hole
[08:49:24] <miss0r|shop> the thickness of the insert is 3,30mm
[08:49:30] <miss0r|shop> 3,39*
[08:49:34] <archivist> http://www.iscar.com/eCatalog/Item.aspx?cat=3600234&fnum=71&mapp=IS
[08:49:49] <Swapper> archivist: you beat me to the URL :)
[08:50:00] <_methods> yep
[08:50:10] <archivist> just google the tool holder part number simple :)
[08:50:33] <miss0r|shop> Yeah, theres the tool(and you may call me one), but how does that link tell me what insert I should get ?
[08:50:53] <miss0r|shop> perhaps the 'related inserts' link ? doh
[08:51:13] <_methods> hehe
[08:51:41] <miss0r|shop> hmm. But it doesn't seem right
[08:52:40] <Swapper> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?c=ctgpr+1616h+11
[08:52:46] <Swapper> might get somthing there ?
[08:52:49] <Swapper> on inserts
[08:52:56] <Swapper> dont know if its the right size
[08:52:59] <Swapper> probly not
[08:54:02] <miss0r|shop> doesn't seem so.
[08:54:23] <miss0r|shop> i've been poking around on the internet for this before. I found the tool holder, but not the actual cutters
[08:55:53] <miss0r|shop> and not it is critical - I have only the one left (No numbers on the inserts or the package they came in)
[08:55:56] <Swapper> http://www.iscar.com/eCatalog/Family.aspx?fnum=465&mapp=IT&app=92&GFSTYP=M
[08:56:10] <Swapper> TPUN
[08:56:16] <Swapper> i think thats the inserts name
[08:56:43] <Swapper> but yours where not 11mm ?
[08:56:49] <Swapper> more like 9 ?
[08:57:01] <miss0r|shop> ~9.8
[08:57:12] <miss0r|shop> so probally 10 originally, it is very worn
[08:57:18] <archivist> good inserts have some number on them
[08:57:30] <miss0r|shop> archivist: I never claimed these to be good ;)
[08:57:35] <archivist> sides or underneath
[08:58:04] <miss0r|shop> nothing, they are totally blank
[08:59:16] <archivist> but the important bit is 11° clearance triangular inserts and all those related ones are and they all start with TP
[09:00:01] <archivist> get the inserts catalog and there will be some key to the naming/number scheme
[09:00:38] <miss0r|shop> Will do.
[09:00:49] <archivist> there is also an ISO standard for insert sizes
[09:01:20] <archivist> so once you work out which your holder is you can get from any maker
[09:02:03] <miss0r|shop> btw. I have a SECO R217,69-2532.3s-16A i'm giving away if anyone wants it. hardly used
[09:02:28] <archivist> hide it till you need it
[09:02:55] <miss0r|shop> it's a 25mm shank - way bigger than I will ever get to use
[09:03:04] <miss0r|shop> _way bigger_
[09:03:38] <miss0r|shop> I have some of thoes, for MT3, which I use alot. This have been laying around for 2 years, so it is about time someone else used it for something
[09:07:07] <miss0r|shop> so if anyone wants, it will only cost postage
[09:07:13] <_methods> turn the shank down
[09:09:29] <miss0r|shop> it has an internal coolant channel, so it will be too weak if I turn it down to 16
[09:10:14] <Swapper> miss0r|shop: guess your in the US ?
[09:10:26] <miss0r|shop> Denmark
[09:10:27] <_methods> i think he said dk
[09:10:37] <Swapper> miss0r|shop: ah, im in sweden
[09:10:47] <Swapper> i could buy that from you
[09:10:55] <Swapper> have BT30 but guess i could make a holder
[09:11:30] <Swapper> or wait i have a convertor to MT3
[09:12:02] <miss0r|shop> on the phone, hang on
[09:24:44] <miss0r|shop> there we go.
[09:24:50] <miss0r|shop> If you want it, it's yours.
[09:28:36] <miss0r|shop> Swapper: Where in Sweden do you live?
[09:28:47] <Swapper> Helsingborg
[09:28:58] <Swapper> you ?
[09:30:14] <miss0r|shop> Ølstykke (40km north of copenhagen)
[09:30:26] <miss0r|shop> Acording to Post Danmark, it will cost 210DKR to send
[09:30:54] <Swapper> are there inscerts in it ?
[09:31:06] <miss0r|shop> Theres 3 almost new inserts on it and you'll get a box of 10 new with it
[09:31:19] <Swapper> oh ok, im interested!
[09:31:36] <Swapper> anything you are looking for?
[09:31:44] <Swapper> might do a trade :)
[09:32:09] <miss0r|shop> what've you got :)
[09:32:21] <Swapper> i can mill stuff :)
[09:32:32] <miss0r|shop> yeah, so can I :)
[09:32:56] <Swapper> cant come up with anyting out of the blue :)
[09:33:20] <miss0r|shop> you wouldn't by any chance have 2x 600mm ballscrews with cylindrical ballnuts on them, would'ya ? :D
[09:33:47] <Swapper> i have ballscrews but they are in my mills :)
[09:33:54] <Swapper> i have acme though
[09:33:59] <Swapper> screws
[09:34:02] <miss0r|shop> yeah, I feel the same way.
[09:34:10] <miss0r|shop> yeah, I wouldn't use that in a cnc
[09:34:20] <Swapper> VFDs
[09:34:24] <Swapper> i got some of those
[09:34:29] <witnit_> I need an really high pitch ballscrew for my grinder :/
[09:34:40] <miss0r|shop> oh, you wouldn't by any chance have a nice machine vise laying around? (mines somewhat beat up)
[09:34:43] <witnit_> the 1 micron encoder works great on it
[09:35:35] <ssi> MORN
[09:35:41] <_methods> hola
[09:35:46] <witnit_> mojn!
[09:35:53] <ssi> http://www.clickhole.com/article/living-past-some-countries-are-still-using-metric--1924
[09:36:41] <_methods> heheh
[09:36:44] <miss0r|shop> ssi: haha
[09:36:58] <ssi> you hear that, canadians?!
[09:37:00] <ssi> get with the program
[09:37:51] <miss0r|shop> knowing some americans, I can't tell if this is a joke or not
[09:38:01] <malcom2073> miss0r|shop: Not.
[09:38:20] * JT-Shop says sunshine come out, come out where ever you are... and melt this crap snow
[09:38:43] <miss0r|shop> malcom2073: I was realy hoping it was :)
[09:39:38] <ssi> you guys are bad at satire detection :P
[09:40:10] <malcom2073> Honest to god I know people, who's argument against metric is: "Why would we switch away from standard and use metric? Standard is called standard for a reason".
[09:40:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150223-maker-creates-a-lego-3d-printer-using-lego-ev3-mindstorms-and-glue-gun.html is this really much different from most other deigns? and you can take it apart and make something useful with the Legos
[09:40:53] <ssi> my argument is "why should we switch to metric just cause all the people who use metric think its too hard to count to a number other than ten"
[09:40:56] <ssi> :D
[09:41:33] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I wonder how precise it is
[09:41:37] <ssi> and I imagine that extruder isn't great
[09:42:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150223-diyouware-releases-twinteeth-open-source-pcb-mini-factory-3d-printer.html here's a twist
[09:42:10] <FinboySlick> Imperial isn't so bad if you convert eveything to thousants of an inch ;)
[09:42:10] <miss0r|shop> I think you can make something almost os acurate with freehanding a glue-gun
[09:42:14] <CaptHindsight> inverted delta bot router for PCB's
[09:42:25] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I like it
[09:42:49] <ssi> looks like it has way too much travel in Z tho
[09:42:52] <ssi> more than it can use
[09:43:31] <ssi> FinboySlick: people who can't work seamlessly between fractional inches, thousandths, and millimeters have weak minds :)
[09:43:34] <malcom2073> ssi: Has to be, if two arms are at the bottom and one is at the top, that's the extent of the horizontal travel
[09:43:59] <ssi> malcom2073: I'm not sure you could get it into that configuration without over-center binding tho
[09:44:06] <ssi> I think the carriages have to stay below the platform
[09:44:07] <miss0r|shop> When this guy makes it to lego 3d printer v. 253.1 I think he can stay within 0.5mm
[09:44:25] <miss0r|shop> but that is a long way from current 2.0
[09:44:38] <malcom2073> ssi: Yep
[09:45:08] <ssi> so what I'm saying is, if you imagine the platform is touching the spindle housing, and all the possible carriage positions for that situation
[09:45:14] <ssi> I think there's still gonna be 8" of rail and screw above that
[09:45:22] <ssi> which is fine, just cause of the way they designed it, but it's a bit wasteful
[09:45:51] <malcom2073> ssi: I wouold've disagreed, but I just watched the video and it seems you're right, not a great design
[09:46:00] * ssi has built a couple deltas :P
[09:46:15] <SpeedEvil> miss0r|shop: That is clearly doing lego 3D printing wrong.
[09:46:20] <malcom2073> The picture looked different :P I blame the perspective angle :-D
[09:46:32] <SpeedEvil> It should have a container of lego bricks, and auto-assemble lego models
[09:46:46] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: That's been done, you seen that?
[09:47:00] <malcom2073> For simple models consisting of things like cubes at least heh
[09:47:10] * SpeedEvil idly wonders how much you could get ten tons of 'lego' for if you go to china
[09:47:30] <JT-Shop> ssi, any advice on building a delta?
[09:48:06] <ssi> I dunno... I never finished my actual goal, which was to get it under linuxcnc control
[09:48:35] <ssi> I built one in that style though, vertical linear actuators. Mine are 36" travel
[09:48:42] <ssi> belt driven
[09:49:35] <malcom2073> Oh man, watching the video of that delta doing PCB drilling
[09:49:36] <JT-Shop> I'm building a 24" tall one
[09:49:46] <ssi> trying to find a picture of mine
[09:49:49] <JT-Shop> no printed parts
[09:49:53] <malcom2073> The flex is amusing
[09:50:25] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/3-D%20Printing/JT%20Kossel/
[09:51:52] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ay3ZiHsCEAAITU_.jpg:large
[09:52:05] <ssi> sheesh that was three years ago
[09:53:22] <JT-Shop> interesting design on the frame
[09:53:43] <ssi> as far as I can tell I was the first to do an extrusion delta
[09:53:56] <ssi> I based that on the original rostock design, which was made of plywood
[09:54:12] <ssi> I modified his printed parts to work with extrusion, and I designed all those hex connectors which are printed parts
[09:54:33] <ssi> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?178,145039
[10:10:51] <_methods> anyone run linuxcnc over vnc?
[10:12:19] <_methods> ahh need to change display to tkemc i guess
[10:12:30] <archivist> Loetmichel, does
[10:12:54] <_methods> guess vnc doesn't play well with opengl
[10:13:07] <_methods> i wonder how well rdp would work
[10:20:17] <CaptHindsight> _methods: using your Surface tablet as a GUI?
[10:21:46] <_methods> nah just trying to run linuxcnc and do some config stuff from work
[10:22:01] <_methods> but i can't get it to start because opengl over vnc
[10:22:33] <dirty_d> hmmm, veterans can buy solidworks student edition for $20
[10:22:40] <dirty_d> its only good for a year though
[10:22:59] <dirty_d> _methods, what about a remote X session?
[10:23:32] <_methods> i'm setting up x11rdp to try out
[10:23:38] <dirty_d> might be worse
[10:23:45] <_methods> after that i'll try x session
[10:23:49] <_methods> i'm just testing this out
[10:23:54] <_methods> curious to see how bad it is lol
[10:24:00] <Rab> I've done X forwarding over SSH, it wasn't terrible.
[10:24:19] <Simonious> So.. what is the correct size fuse for the axes on a CandCNC psc1150...?
[10:26:19] <archivist> what does its manual say
[10:26:37] <Simonious> It conviently doesn't specify
[10:27:40] <archivist> does it even recommend fusing like that, one has to be careful about driver fusing
[10:30:18] <Simonious> Hmm, well I'm going to assume the fuses there are correct.
[10:31:01] <Simonious> I deliberately did a table touch and blew the fuse on one axis.. For a light touch I found that discouraging.
[10:31:14] <archivist> google does not throw up any info for your part number
[10:31:38] <Rab> CandCNC site doesn't have anything either.
[10:32:03] <Simonious> yeah, it's older.. I'll see if I can find the link again
[10:36:37] <Simonious> PSC1500, my mistake
[10:37:11] <Simonious> http://www.candcnc.com/PDF/PS1500-REV2Manual.pdf
[10:39:28] <_methods> oops forgot to install and start screen before doing make lol
[10:40:01] <miss0r|shop> ^^
[10:40:26] <_methods> hate that
[10:41:12] <_methods> meh oh well make failed lol
[10:42:51] <archivist> Simonious, seems to just be a supply for gecko drives, see their docs too
[11:06:43] <ssi> woo, got the e-form form 1 approved
[11:06:47] <ssi> 1 day shy of six weeks
[11:08:38] <_methods> ugh the autoinstaller from the livecd made my / 323m
[11:08:50] <_methods> make failed because rootfs was full lol
[11:09:04] <_methods> guess i'll be reinstalling and manually partitioning this time
[11:09:32] <CaptHindsight> "Go back in time 30 seconds before crash" button would be a handy new feature :)
[11:09:38] <ssi> haha
[11:10:49] <_methods> i have 3 64gb ssd's i'm not using right now i might throw them in raid on there instead of the 80gb spinner i got now
[11:15:24] <_methods> run raid 1 with one hot swap i guess
[11:15:45] <_methods> raid0 with ssd lol
[11:16:46] <ssi> it's amazing
[11:17:09] <_methods> how much faster can it get lol
[11:51:15] <dirty_d> wow, i found a free cad program thats actually pretty good, solvespace
[11:59:51] <Rab> The program is written in a subset of C++, with heavy use of OpenGL. Roughly 1500 lines of code depend on Win32, and specific features depend on libpng and the 3Dconnexion ("SpaceNavigator") controller library.
[12:00:19] <Rab> I guess it supports 6DoF pointing devices?
[12:02:12] <dirty_d> i dunno
[12:02:28] <dirty_d> supposedly it compiles on linux
[12:02:37] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-personal-cnc-mill/260722-cnc-tormach-forum.html interesting...
[12:10:23] <dirty_d> wow, this works really good and its really easy to use
[12:10:36] <dirty_d> not sure why its not more popular
[12:12:22] <mozmck> haha! quote from here: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2015/02/17/tormach-moves-mach3-linuxcnc-pathpilot/ "(unless you’re one of the few who actually likes running Linux instead of their normal desktop OS)" My normal desktop OS *IS* linux!
[12:14:33] <malcom2073> mozmck: So then you're one of the few who actually likes running linux :P
[12:28:27] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/CpWI8KG.jpg
[12:29:16] <mozmck> heh, I was laughing at his description. I can't exactly run linux *instead* of my normal OS, because linux *is* my normal OS.
[12:32:06] <ssi> I love running linux
[12:32:08] <ssi> just not as a desktop os
[12:32:26] <ssi> I did it for over a decade, and I'd take it in a heartbeat before I'd run windows
[12:32:34] <ssi> but I don't think it's the best desktop environment
[12:32:55] <PetefromTn_> Okay apple fanboy LOL
[12:32:58] <mozmck> "best" varies by person and application
[12:33:00] <_methods> its actually not bad anymore i'm thinking about totally ditching windows now and just running windows vm's when i need them
[12:33:01] <ssi> I'm not an apple fanboy
[12:33:05] <ssi> I'm a productivity fanboy :)
[12:33:07] <mozmck> for me it is the best.
[12:33:28] <mozmck> If I ran apple it would not help my productivity at all.
[12:33:42] <ssi> the fact that I can buy a quality computer with support that runs unix well out of the box and does everything I need is priceless to me
[12:33:50] <ssi> if that ever changes, I'll go back to linux as a desktop
[12:33:56] <ssi> but I have no interest in screwing with it anymore
[12:34:25] <ssi> but for a cnc machine, linuxcnc is perfect
[12:34:36] <ssi> the livecd install takes care of the gui dickery, everything works well out of the box
[12:34:39] <ssi> it's exactly right
[12:34:42] <malcom2073> I used linux as my desktop for a long time
[12:34:45] <malcom2073> then I got tired of things changing
[12:34:48] <ssi> the idea of running mach on windows is abhorrent to me :P
[12:34:50] <mozmck> I never have to screw with anything. When I get a new computer (not very often that happens), it takes a few hours to get all the software set up like I like it, but I guarantee you an apple would not help that.
[12:36:55] <LeelooMinai> I had a look after I think 10 years at Linux to see if it's usable as a desktop, but no, they are still 10 years behind the usual desktop OSes.
[12:37:03] <malcom2073> Amusingly enough, that's what turned me off to apple (other than the price). I hated using my friends macbook for a week, and he told me "Oh well you can fiddle with this, and that, and this to change how this works to make it feel better", and I lost interest. I want something that *just works*
[12:37:24] <mozmck> malcom2073: things changing? You would rather things stay the same like microsoft did from XP to win8? :)
[12:37:24] <ssi> nothing "just works" for everyone
[12:37:26] <LeelooMinai> To make it worse it seems even Linux people cannot agree what the desktop should look and work like
[12:37:39] <malcom2073> mozmck: Yeah
[12:37:40] <ssi> I use dvorak, which desktop os has the keymap set to dvorak out of the box?
[12:37:44] <mozmck> nor can MS
[12:37:45] <ssi> there's always some configuration
[12:37:52] <ssi> unless you're not a particularly sophisticated user
[12:37:57] <mozmck> very true.
[12:38:19] <malcom2073> Right, and I'm not a particularly sophisticated user :)
[12:38:21] <LeelooMinai> mozmck: Yes, but inder Windows at least apps follow some guidlines and look decent.
[12:38:27] <malcom2073> I don't like tinkering with the OS
[12:38:45] <mozmck> Hah! look decent is simply whatever the current fashion is.
[12:39:01] <ssi> nothing looks decent under windows in my opinion
[12:39:10] <malcom2073> I don't care how things look, I care how they operate
[12:39:42] <LeelooMinai> They are more of less consistent - that's what I meant. Each up in Linux tries either to reinvent something or do something in some bizzare way:)
[12:39:43] <mozmck> The fashion changes every year and everything else is now somehow "outdated" because it doesn't follow the current fashion.
[12:39:49] <malcom2073> You've heard the dealership analogy haven't you?
[12:39:58] <mozmck> wait a little and the old will be new again.
[12:40:14] <ssi> I dunno if the Motif look will ever be new again ;)
[12:41:10] <mozmck> Maybe not, but Apple might figure out that a blank screen and zero button mouse are too minimalistic, and swing back the other way :)
[12:41:22] <ssi> lets not be hyperbolic
[12:41:33] <PetefromTn_> you mean you need more than one mouse button? LOL
[12:41:41] <mozmck> less is more
[12:41:43] <ssi> apple hasn't made a one button mouse in a decade
[12:41:54] <PetefromTn_> I know just bustin chops..
[12:41:56] <LeelooMinai> How about keyboard with just one button - you could operate it using morse code.
[12:41:58] <mozmck> just kidding of course.
[12:42:16] <ssi> how about a keyboard with twelve buttons?
[12:42:18] <ssi> I used to run one
[12:42:19] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: binary :P
[12:42:30] <ssi> http://twiddler.tekgear.com
[12:42:34] <PetefromTn_> I don't have anything else going on right now here might as well annoy some folks hehe
[12:42:35] <mozmck> LeelooMinai: Don't say that too loud or some of these young "modern" UI guys will run with it!
[12:42:53] <mozmck> and declare everything else "outdated" ;)
[12:44:19] <LeelooMinai> ssi: Maybe if you are Steve Vai that keyboard would work:)
[12:44:26] <ssi> it actually isn't too bad
[12:44:28] <ssi> takes some practice
[12:44:35] <ssi> but I was able to type 40wpm on it once upon a time
[12:44:42] <ssi> it's intended for wearables of course
[12:44:57] <ssi> but of course god forbid anyone try anything new :)
[12:46:31] <malcom2073> Problem with trying new things, is that it takes so much time to learn that you negate any near-term productivity benefits
[12:47:22] <ssi> maybe some people just aren't destined to improve
[12:47:34] <ssi> personally, I find that I learn most things quickly enough to be able to capitalize on the gains
[12:47:41] <malcom2073> I'm sure if I used (insert X software here) instead of (insert Y software here) I could be as productive as I am now, maybe even moreso, but enough to justify the (insert Z time spent becoming comfortable with the system) hours/days/weeks to do so?
[12:48:30] <malcom2073> I used OSX for a week, was just barely starting to get comfortable with it, but my productivity on windows/linux systems suffered due to me getting used to the different key-patterns, shortcuts, etc :P
[12:48:33] <ssi> I'm sure if you used (cnc machining) instead of (a hacksaw and file), you could be as productive as you are now, maybe even moreso, but enough to justify the (immense amount of time learning how to build and configure linuxcnc-based machines)?
[12:49:05] <malcom2073> You're comparing apples to oranges, compare apples to banannas
[12:49:14] <PetefromTn_> I got a nice file here...and a hammer too!
[12:49:17] <ssi> I'm comparing logical fallacies to reasonable thinking :)
[12:49:18] <archivist> I can file up a shape faster that program some gcode :)
[12:49:32] <malcom2073> No, you're throwing edge cases in to disprove a valid point under certain circumstances
[12:49:35] <malcom2073> :P
[12:49:53] <ssi> no, I'm applying your sweeping generalization
[12:49:56] <ssi> 13:25 < malcom2073> Problem with trying new things, is that it takes so much time to learn that you negate any near-term productivity benefits
[12:50:07] <malcom2073> you're trolling
[12:50:10] <ssi> nobody try anything new, cause it's been decreed that it's a bad value proposition
[12:50:46] <PetefromTn_> don't bother him he's on a roll now LOL...
[12:50:50] <malcom2073> lol
[12:51:17] <malcom2073> Anyway you're right, applying a generalization about operating system preference to cnc tooling is incorrect :)
[12:51:32] <malcom2073> I stand corrected, I should've specified that my statement was made in context of our discussion
[12:51:40] <ssi> it wasn't about operating system preference
[12:51:47] <malcom2073> our earlier discussion*
[12:51:47] <ssi> in fact you made it in response to a keyboard :)
[12:51:48] <PetefromTn_> If I felt that way I would have never left Mach3 trash and moved to linuxCNC and have a good working machine now...
[12:51:53] <MrSunshine_> class Orange {}; class Apple {}; class Banan {}; Apple apple; Orange orange; Banana banana; if(apple == orange) { std::cout << "Apple IS Orange" << std::endl; if(apple == banana) { std::cout << "If compare apple to oranges then i compare apples to bananas!" << std::endl; } }
[12:51:57] <malcom2073> Then we're talking about two different things, so disregard :)
[12:52:16] <ssi> MrSunshine_: C++ really? I guess you follow the malcom2073 school of progress :D
[12:52:16] * MrSunshine_ kicks himself in the head
[12:52:25] <MrSunshine_> ssi: huh ? =)
[12:52:32] <ssi> don't learn anything new!
[12:52:33] <PetefromTn_> can you do that? I would hurt myself down low..
[12:52:36] <ssi> c++ is enough for everyone
[12:52:37] <malcom2073> yeah c++ is soo old man, nobody uses it anymore, use python
[12:52:50] <MrSunshine_> malcom2073: haha
[12:52:56] * MrSunshine_ kicks malcom2073 in the head
[12:52:59] <malcom2073> ssi: Are you one of those who thinks C/c++ is antiquated and there's no reason to use it anymore? :-P
[12:53:03] <ssi> nope
[12:53:06] <ssi> C is great
[12:53:07] <malcom2073> Heh ok, just checkin
[12:53:11] <ssi> C++ was outdated before it came out
[12:53:12] * PetefromTn_ thinks MrSunshine is some kind of NINJA!
[12:53:28] <malcom2073> Ah heh
[12:53:37] <MrSunshine_> PetefromTn_: nah ... just someoene that likes to kicks tuff
[12:53:42] * jdh nods tossi
[12:53:43] <MrSunshine_> at random mostly
[12:53:53] <PetefromTn_> I love kickin' stuff but doubt I could do it that high...
[12:54:02] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: you greatly overestimate my height
[12:54:04] <ssi> but for most cases, there are better tools than C
[12:54:08] <MrSunshine_> hahahaha
[12:54:09] <ssi> just like there are better tools than windows :)
[12:54:19] <archivist> I recommend assembler, its the closest to gcode :)
[12:54:20] <PetefromTn_> Windows is for tools..?
[12:54:27] <MrSunshine_> PetefromTn_: if they are to tall, just kick them in the crotch first. . then kick them in the head
[12:54:34] <MrSunshine_> usaly lowers the head by about 50% of the body height
[12:54:38] <ssi> in some casses asm is the right tool
[12:54:42] <ssi> in general it's not
[12:54:51] <PetefromTn_> Oh so it is a process kind of thing...
[12:55:15] <ssi> you don't pocket with a drillbit
[12:55:22] <ssi> but similarly it's not super efficient to drill with an endmill
[12:55:37] <ssi> it's a poor craftsman who constrains his toolbox :)
[12:55:45] <MrSunshine_> and if that doesnt work, crotch then smack then m the back of the head with elbow .. THEN kick them in the head ... then you are at about 95% of the body height :P
[12:55:54] <MrSunshine_> or 5% maybe its called
[12:56:08] <PetefromTn_> you can't pocket with a drill bit? No wonder that never seemed to work too good..
[12:56:13] <MrSunshine_> and if you cant kick that high ... you shouldnt go out anymore :P
[12:56:20] <malcom2073> [13:34:53] <ssi> it's a poor craftsman who constrains his toolbox :) <- that one I can agree with.
[12:56:58] <PetefromTn_> that explains all those bent drill bits I have in that box...Hmmmm
[12:57:15] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yeah you might want to work on that
[12:57:31] <PetefromTn_> apparently
[12:57:48] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[12:58:13] <PetefromTn_> We got a shit ton of snow here today.... just after everything seemed to melt off yesterday..
[12:58:15] <malcom2073> Where's the video of the guy using a drillpress and X-Y table as a mill?
[12:58:45] <jdh> Pete: we even go some.
[12:58:49] <PetefromTn_> Shit you mean that doesn't work eitehr....
[12:58:53] <PetefromTn_> either?
[12:59:02] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Apparently it does work!
[12:59:05] <PetefromTn_> where's we today?
[12:59:09] <malcom2073> for loose definitions of work
[12:59:18] <PetefromTn_> Very loose...
[13:00:10] <PetefromTn_> I find it amusing reading all the Tormach posts about guys now faced with the realization that even Tormach thinks Mach3 sucks and has moved on... It is like someone kicked their puppy or something.
[13:01:15] <malcom2073> Heh PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUA9WUas-A
[13:01:23] <jdh> are we still unhappy with tormach?
[13:01:56] <malcom2073> Also look at the clamps
[13:02:09] <jdh> interesting bench setup
[13:02:38] <jdh> looks like an evil german bad-guy
[13:02:59] <malcom2073> Haha
[13:03:10] <_methods> hahahahh
[13:03:15] <_methods> sprockets
[13:03:20] <PetefromTn_> that willl work great right up until the chuck lets go of that cutter and slings it across the room into your forehead.
[13:03:27] <_methods> would you like to touch my monkey
[13:03:42] <_methods> he has a huge forehead too
[13:04:26] <PetefromTn_> He kinda looks like a Vulcan to me....
[13:04:52] <_methods> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQbVMfpHJBg/TDyEE9AnnCI/AAAAAAAADXs/DQhTU1yY4_I/s1600/dieter5.jpg
[13:05:14] <_methods> http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/the_todd_album/Dieter_mit_kyle_mclaglen.jpg
[13:06:45] <jdh> the chuck will probably hold the cutter. The taper won't hold the chuck
[13:07:31] <PetefromTn_> either way....you get a nice labotomy out of the effort.
[13:07:34] <jdh> heh
[13:07:51] <jdh> he must have missed clamping & workholding 101
[13:08:03] <PetefromTn_> http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/24/luxury/griffin-billionaire-divorce/index.html
[13:10:25] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if they would want to adopt me?
[13:10:44] <PetefromTn_> hell I'll even do the dishes!
[13:12:24] <_methods> hehe
[13:14:30] <SpeedEvil> well - to be fair - 'Under Illinois law, where the family lives, child support is calculated based on the standard of living the children would have enjoyed had the marriage not been dissolved.
[13:14:44] <SpeedEvil> that could pretty much reasonably be a fucking insane level of child support.
[13:15:02] <SpeedEvil> For a billionaire that diddn't care about burn rate.
[13:15:13] <PetefromTn_> indeed...lucky little shits LOL
[13:15:31] <SpeedEvil> And $12m/year is 1% return on equity if you're a billionaire.
[13:16:01] <PetefromTn_> so you're saying if she got that he would be getting off cheap then huh.
[13:16:01] <SpeedEvil> if your personal spending as a family is ~30m/year - you probably aren't making a dent in your capital.
[13:17:40] <PetefromTn_> It is staggering how small a pittance of that would make me a very happy man hehe
[13:23:10] <Storyteller> so, a '3020' is suitable for what materials?
[13:23:10] <Simonious> CAMBAM is currently starting from the smallest X and the largest Y point in the gcode, how do I regenerate so it starts with the smallest X AND the smallest Y? (I'm just trying to level the table and I want to start in the near corner rather than the far corner.
[13:24:39] <PetefromTn_> set startpoint?
[13:25:27] <Simonious> PetefromTn_: one would think, I've got 0,0,NaN in there at the moment
[13:25:31] <Storyteller> oh, and what does the 4th axis give me?
[13:26:16] <PetefromTn_> click in the blank area next to start point..
[13:26:28] <PetefromTn_> that will bring up a little red circle in the view window.
[13:26:42] <PetefromTn_> drag that little red circle to where you want it to start
[13:27:07] <Simonious> Well that appears to be starting in the right location
[13:27:31] <PetefromTn_> actually you have to click that little grey box first before you get the circle
[13:27:44] <Simonious> hmm, I think that's done it
[13:28:44] <Simonious> hmm, no.. gcode still has y running out to 101 and getting smaller as we go
[13:29:32] <PetefromTn_> did you right click on the MOP and hit generate toolpaths?
[13:30:08] <PetefromTn_> also make sure the MOP is enabled of course
[13:30:21] <Simonious> Remind me what MOP stands for
[13:30:35] <PetefromTn_> Machining operation in the tree on the left side.
[13:31:33] <Simonious> Hmm, I start the cut at 0,0,0 and every time the first move is out to X0 Ymax when I generate the gcode :/
[13:32:17] <PetefromTn_> are you doing a pocket or profile?
[13:32:33] <Simonious> pocket
[13:33:44] <PetefromTn_> Hm sounds like you have a setting wrong somewhere...
[13:34:34] <PetefromTn_> what is your region fill style?
[13:36:14] <PetefromTn_> also make sure you don't have some kind of funky lead in setting.
[13:36:19] <Storyteller> i love how I go on ebay to shop for a cnc and I get thousands of STL files that bury the actual machines
[13:37:12] <PetefromTn_> I think you can refine search and select equipment or machines or something on the left side.
[13:37:58] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: what are you searching for?
[13:38:52] <Storyteller> cnc milling machine
[13:38:53] <Simonious> horizontal hatch - mixed mode
[13:39:16] <Storyteller> basically, Im determining if I want a high res 3d printer or a desktop cnc
[13:39:18] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: a tiny 3020 type? more router than mill
[13:39:29] <Storyteller> both are in the $500-1000 range
[13:39:32] <Storyteller> I guess
[13:39:46] <PetefromTn_> what I hate is how you search for CNC mill or whatever and you get avery asshole selling a Chinese CNC router table in the world...
[13:39:50] <Storyteller> I want to make small high detail miniatures for tabletop gaming
[13:40:15] <Storyteller> well, I think a 'router' would be fine
[13:40:21] <Storyteller> as long as it has depth
[13:40:37] <Storyteller> you say router and I think fixed height, like my dad used on wood
[13:41:10] <Storyteller> a router, to me, does not imply a height/depth setting, x/y only
[13:41:17] <PetefromTn_> there is a big difference between a MIlling machine and a Router and it has a lot more than just Z height to do with it...
[13:41:19] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: you might need 3-5 axis for the detail
[13:41:20] <archivist> they often have restricted Z
[13:41:39] <CaptHindsight> a 3020 might have a 3-5" Z
[13:41:43] <PetefromTn_> it seems like the folks selling CNC routers have no idea what the difference is...
[13:42:00] <malcom2073> Or the difference is lost in translation
[13:42:08] <Storyteller> well, Im making things smaller than a 2" cube for the most part, and i will be taking say, a piece of aluminum and cutting out two halves of a mold
[13:42:26] <archivist> Z was my biggest problem when I built my machine
[13:42:28] <Storyteller> a 3020 sounds fine then for now
[13:43:10] <Storyteller> trust me, I want both a massive 3d printer and many-axis mill for concrete molds and large items (like my jetpack lol)
[13:43:43] <Storyteller> but, Im looking at startup costs, buying a $2000 machine is a lot of money, and a $5000 is out ofthe question
[13:43:59] <malcom2073> Heh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SflVRA1gcEA
[13:44:00] <malcom2073> that chatter
[13:44:07] <archivist> if running a sensible sized rotary to make positive items then you need an extra 6 inches at least
[13:44:17] <Storyteller> so, what would the 4th axis give me?
[13:44:33] <Storyteller> no, negatives if Im cutting a mold
[13:44:38] <archivist> depends on your parts
[13:44:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc $1k and a 3020 for $900
[13:45:18] <archivist> you may wish to tilt to get the tool into corners
[13:45:39] <Rab> Storyteller, depending on your level of detail, you may need a very rigid and precise machine to hold resolution and keep from breaking micro tooling. Maybe consider something like a Taig mill rather than a moving-gantry router: http://www.taigtools.com/mmill.html
[13:45:53] <In_the_dark> hello
[13:46:45] <alex4nder> hello
[13:47:11] <Storyteller> ok I have a manual sherline
[13:47:21] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 Jeez that is loud and annoying..
[13:47:28] <Storyteller> like the taig, but its manual and kinda old/getting rusty
[13:47:34] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Yeah heh
[13:47:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router-/161610828477 $1800
[13:48:31] <Rab> The controller is soldered with American Beauty Resistance Soldering Equipment
[13:48:38] <Rab> ...
[13:49:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAGUN-FTV-1-MANUAL-VERTICAL-KNEE-MILLING-MACHINE-POWER-9-X-42-TABLE-/191520581138
[13:49:35] <alex4nder> Rab: I .. guess that's a plus
[13:49:47] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: what region are you located in?
[13:50:15] <Simonious> huh, startpoint is set 0,0,0 but it still jumps to Ymax before starting the cut, it leaves X alone. I am NEW to CAMBAM, so I'm sure I'm just missing something.
[13:50:29] <Rab> alex4nder, the seller seems to think so. I'd never heard of resistance soldering before (besides the Cold Heat toy) so I dunno.
[13:51:49] <In_the_dark> Can anyone lead me to the correct parrall port setup for Linuxcnc 2.5 for the xylotex xs-3525185-4? I looked it up on their data sheet but Linuxcnc isn't giving me the appropiate choices... and I honestly have no idea what I'm doing but I'm amazed I've gotten this far.
[13:51:56] <PetefromTn_> Simonious not sure what you are doing wrong but if you goto their forum and ask I am sure you will get the help you need. Make sure you can post your cambam file for the part you are making.... http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/
[13:52:11] <Simonious> PetefromTn_: ok
[13:52:13] <Storyteller> midwest US
[13:52:22] <Storyteller> these get pricey real quick
[13:53:18] <ssi> hrm
[13:53:18] <cpresser> In_the_dark: looking at the first PDF which shows up in google, it seems quite clear for me how to wire ist
[13:53:25] <PetefromTn_> my guess is you have a funky lead in setting wrong or something like that...
[13:53:39] <archivist> Storyteller, you can work from parts of scrap proper machines if near the right kind of scrap yards or machinery auctions
[13:53:45] <cpresser> In_the_dark: check page 5 here http://www.xylotex.com/XS3525V400.pdf
[13:53:47] <Storyteller> still trying to figure out if I am looking for the right tool.. or business plan :-O
[13:54:13] <Storyteller> well, its wichita, lots of airplane companies and machine shops
[13:54:19] <archivist> building cost is then a lot lower
[13:55:05] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: what are the games pieces ultimately made of?
[13:55:10] <archivist> a dead educational cnc mill, then retrofit with linuxcnc
[13:55:25] <Storyteller> plastic or resin
[13:55:49] <CaptHindsight> SLA print them
[13:55:57] <Storyteller> something I can buy cheap that will hold its shape well and stand up to play
[13:55:57] <CaptHindsight> perfect fit
[13:56:12] <Storyteller> SLA is good for somethings
[13:56:22] <Storyteller> and thats certainly part of the plan
[13:56:28] <ssi> the irony is big heavy machines are cheaper than little light machines for the kind of stuff that makes a good retrofit
[13:56:52] <In_the_dark> I was using that but when you get to pin 13 - 17 it doesn't let me choose those in the parrall port setup. Also just to show how in the dark I am... Are GrounNDs setup as just "Unused"?
[13:56:55] <Storyteller> but Im also thinking that I may want to do larger runs of somethings, miniatures for my own games, tokens etc
[13:57:08] <dirty_d> sweet, solvespace is working on linux
[13:57:09] <Storyteller> SLA printing 500 of something doesnt sound fun
[13:57:55] <PetefromTn_> ssi Agreed
[13:58:03] <Storyteller> so, at some point, Im going to want a mold, ideally with several somethings in one block, and to squeeze out a lot of identicals or sets in a few days
[13:58:20] <Storyteller> thus, Im looking at a small mill or router
[13:58:26] <ssi> there have been some small DIY injection molding setups
[13:58:45] <Storyteller> I think a router is ok, because I dont need undercuts or overhangs
[13:59:00] <Storyteller> yeah, about $500 for a simple manual injectin press
[13:59:22] <Storyteller> but even a pourable mold with dental plaster might work
[13:59:45] <PetefromTn_> Storyteller if you are seriously wanting to make money with this you want a quality CNC milling machine capable of a medium to high spindle speed to make smaller cutters run in their best range and a machine with the accuracy necessary to take care of the tiny features and contours. That is IMHO NOT a chinese CNC router.
[13:59:53] <In_the_dark> Oh wait it just occured to me that I might be reading this table completely wrong.
[14:00:39] <Storyteller> yeah, I get that, so Im looking for the order to do things to get to the point I have the money to get what I need
[14:00:43] <Storyteller> Im pretty broke
[14:01:04] <Storyteller> coming up with $4000 is not something i can do
[14:01:22] <Storyteller> coming up with about a grand, maybe 2000 over a year is
[14:01:36] <ssi> in my experience it's very hard to make a usable machine for a grand
[14:01:41] <PetefromTn_> machining precise molds for detailed parts is a precision business and takes a lot precision and knowledge. If you are broke and trying to do it with a chinese CNC router I think you are going to be hard pressed to be successful.
[14:01:44] <Storyteller> I still dont know if people would buy my minis
[14:02:25] <Storyteller> ok, so I really need a next teir mill, something I cant 'just go get' next week
[14:02:28] <ssi> also, the closer to a cnc machine your starting point is, the better your finished product will be :P
[14:02:29] <Storyteller> and thats ok
[14:02:33] <PetefromTn_> if you are unsure of your customer base I recommend you try designing one of your ideas and have a pro shop make some for you to test the waters first..
[14:02:40] <In_the_dark> oh don't say that ssi.... otherwise I just spend my money on a fool's errand.
[14:02:43] <ssi> dead and/or ancient cnc machines make the best starting point
[14:02:51] <ssi> manual machines next best
[14:02:52] <Storyteller> thats the other, how expensive is it to have a small mold made?
[14:02:57] <ssi> home-spun stuff works but it's a lot harder
[14:03:03] <Storyteller> I have a sherline manual
[14:03:12] <CaptHindsight> Storyteller: you might want to team up with a game maker that does the story and writing
[14:03:23] <Storyteller> it could be cleaned up, i have wondered about sticking some nemas and a controller on it
[14:03:34] <Storyteller> no, ido the story and writing
[14:03:35] <ssi> that's probably where you should start
[14:03:39] <Storyteller> Im really good at that part
[14:03:50] <ssi> although a sherline is a small, flexy machine
[14:03:57] <Storyteller> I have been gaming for over 30 years
[14:04:05] <In_the_dark> cpresser does Linxcnc 2.6 have different parport set up than 2.5?
[14:04:13] <CaptHindsight> I know a few people in that business that don't have any manufacturing capabilities, they always have someone making their run of a few hundred game boards and pieces
[14:04:20] <Storyteller> Ive written, about 12 systems, one of which ive put over a decade into
[14:04:34] <PetefromTn_> you might be surprised at how good a machine you can buy used with a blown control system and retrofit it...
[14:04:44] <ssi> yep
[14:04:45] <Storyteller> I will look around for that
[14:04:46] <PetefromTn_> for cheap
[14:05:00] <Storyteller> I do live in a city amenable to that
[14:05:03] <archivist> ex school cnc
[14:05:05] <ssi> yes, you do
[14:05:13] <Storyteller> lots of small machine shops
[14:05:13] <ssi> we have no iron like that around here
[14:05:15] <ssi> I always have to drive
[14:05:22] <cpresser> In_the_dark: not that I am aware of. just use stepconf if you are unsure
[14:05:23] <PetefromTn_> I almost bought a machine in your area when I was looking for mine..
[14:05:28] <ssi> I dragged my lathe home to atlanta from connecticut :/
[14:05:40] <ssi> my vmc came from louisville
[14:05:45] <Storyteller> I mean, I can go 4 blocks and have a guy do machining on big steel for $1 an operation
[14:06:09] <archivist> I went to inverness in scotland for my ex school cnc lathe
[14:06:11] <PetefromTn_> then how could it hurt to go ask them about machining your mold?
[14:06:41] <PetefromTn_> you could buy the injection modling machine and do that at home and have the pros machine your mold for you.
[14:06:54] <Storyteller> whenI was designing my geodesic greenhouse out of electrical tubing, it was like, $125 to cut, press, bend and drill a ton of the tubes
[14:07:14] <Storyteller> thats what Im thinking, get a mold made and use the press at home
[14:07:16] <In_the_dark> Ummm... That's what I'm in.
[14:07:37] <Storyteller> I just know the idea of having my games out there, with stuff I made sounds really appealing to me
[14:07:42] <PetefromTn_> it will cost for the mold I am sure but depending on your audience might be worth it..
[14:08:26] <ssi> prototype with SLA and then have the mold made
[14:08:51] <PetefromTn_> I will say that while it is an amazing hobby and I am not trying to do it for a living CNC machining and CAD CAM is not a trivial thing to learn. It takes a lot of time and experience to make things that are of any real quality let alone a highly detailed charachter mold..
[14:09:00] <PetefromTn_> now
[14:09:21] <Storyteller> I have a card based role-playing game, your cards are your actions, you have a map, there is a miniature of your character. It is combat oriented, but there are skills too, so, you might play a 'search' card to look in an area for clues or hidden doors, you use the value on the card + your characters ability to beat a target number
[14:09:31] <PetefromTn_> ssi I was going to suggest the same thing.
[14:09:34] <Storyteller> I can get the cards, boxes and maps printed
[14:10:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-3-hp-cnc-mill-3-axis-retrofit-kit-/261693288595 $1200 + $1k for shipping?
[14:10:24] <Storyteller> but a short run on this, 500 of 8 starter decks (1 per starting character), with a mini of the character in the box (actually 2 per box, guy 1 vs guy 2
[14:10:39] <Storyteller> its outrageous to print that many in china
[14:11:01] <Storyteller> and SLA printing is out of the question, its repetition, a mold is called for
[14:11:11] <PetefromTn_> do you already have 3d modles of the charachters..
[14:11:45] <CaptHindsight> what size are the characters?
[14:11:46] <Storyteller> so yeah, i guess having a few molds made and getting the injection press at home is a good middle round, until I can afford a cnc
[14:11:55] <Storyteller> 28/35mm
[14:12:10] <Storyteller> 'compatible with most other miniatures'
[14:12:19] <Storyteller> and I can 3d model pretty well
[14:12:42] <Storyteller> i can also buy stock 3d and modify from a few companies or use open content 3d
[14:12:48] <Storyteller> but most I will do myself
[14:12:58] <CaptHindsight> how many will fit into a 19 x 11 cm area?
[14:13:01] <In_the_dark> Pretty please with sugar on top can someone help me out with this one little thing and I promise to leave you all alone for the remainder of the day.
[14:13:10] <alex4nder> Storyteller: a taig is too small for you?
[14:13:16] <Storyteller> idk
[14:13:32] <CaptHindsight> maybe 15
[14:13:44] <Storyteller> probably
[14:13:55] <CaptHindsight> 500 / 15 = 33 sla prints
[14:14:18] <Storyteller> 19x11 cm is a big sla
[14:14:25] <CaptHindsight> 5mm per minute Z so 6 minutes per 33 prints
[14:14:53] <Storyteller> most sla I have seen do around 40x60x100
[14:14:57] <Storyteller> mm
[14:14:58] <CaptHindsight> so under 3.5 hours for the whole job
[14:15:13] <Storyteller> idk, I havent seen sla that goes that big
[14:15:19] <Storyteller> but it might be doable
[14:15:21] <CaptHindsight> sure
[14:15:33] <Storyteller> isnt sla resin a lot more expensive that injectionmolded plastic?
[14:15:46] <CaptHindsight> a HD projector will gt you 100um XY at 19.2 x 10.8 cm
[14:16:00] <Storyteller> is that good?
[14:16:29] <Cromaglious> freecad looks to have a fairly steep learning curve
[14:16:50] <CaptHindsight> if you buy resin by the pail it's <$40/kg
[14:17:43] <CaptHindsight> if you make hollow parts each piece will be a few cents ea
[14:18:59] <CaptHindsight> you trade the higher price of SLA resin for the cost of tooling
[14:19:25] <Storyteller> there wont be any hollow this small
[14:19:30] <Storyteller> these need to be strong
[14:19:53] <Storyteller> kids will play with them, adults will want to handle and paint them
[14:20:00] <CaptHindsight> 2mm walls
[14:20:14] <Storyteller> think miniatures for gaming, at these small sizes, hollow would make them brittle
[14:20:35] <In_the_dark> OK good talk. Best of luck to everyone.
[14:20:44] <Storyteller> um, we are talking about a humanoid figure with a weapon in its hand 28mm to the eyes
[14:20:51] <Storyteller> 2mm walls is tiny
[14:21:07] <Storyteller> many of these will have areas like ankles 3-4mm
[14:21:27] <Storyteller> or a neck, much less a sword or polearm
[14:22:02] <CaptHindsight> what's the solid volume of each piece in CC?
[14:22:12] <Storyteller> dont know yet
[14:22:19] <CaptHindsight> approx
[14:22:25] <Storyteller> um... 5
[14:22:32] <CaptHindsight> 35mm high x ?
[14:22:45] <Storyteller> 20x20x40mm
[14:22:52] <Storyteller> 16cc?
[14:23:02] <Storyteller> but half that because thats a bounding box
[14:23:23] <Storyteller> https://www.google.com/search?q=gaming+miniatures&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=g9jsVJT1Lei1sASSjYGoBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=683
[14:23:57] <PetefromTn_> aren't most of those things pewter or whatever?
[14:24:03] <CaptHindsight> <50 cents ea
[14:24:16] <Storyteller> the high end ones are, but tons are in resin or injected plastic
[14:24:37] <Storyteller> and yeah, Id love to do pweter
[14:24:41] <PetefromTn_> those are pretty cool..
[14:24:45] <Storyteller> but Id need a mold
[14:25:21] <PetefromTn_> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/e/e8/FASA_gaming_miniatures_assortment.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121013013510&path-prefix=en Ooh Ooh I want a bird of prey!!!
[14:25:26] <Storyteller> http://boardgamegeek.com/camo/b7593e84146e27e08c71d56ed72bfe5bccd4640c/687474703a2f2f7777772e626764662e636f6d2f73697465732f64656661756c742f66696c65732f696d616765732f64776172662d6d696e696174757265732e707265766965772e706e67
[14:25:36] <Storyteller> those are plastic injection molded
[14:26:36] <PetefromTn_> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QSQHCc2iSvY/S7kjj2lCxZI/AAAAAAAAAIc/PfnFp7KwEPo/s1600/000_0887.JPG Pretty awesome detail
[14:26:54] <Storyteller> yeah :)
[14:26:55] <Storyteller> http://www.3ders.org/images/miniature-3d-printed-bringer-of-justice-shapeways-1.jpg
[14:26:59] <Storyteller> 3d printed
[14:27:36] <Storyteller> from a company with like, multiple $16,000 printers though
[14:28:41] <Storyteller> I mean, I want to an 8" tall 6" wide dragon at some point, but I just wat o get started
[14:28:55] <Storyteller> I think an sla 3d printer might be a good choice then
[14:29:17] <PetefromTn_> https://kenziebacon213.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/alexis1.jpg Wonder if she's got a boyfriend?
[14:29:20] <Storyteller> and then get a cnc if I start making money,
[14:29:53] <Storyteller> pretty sure she has several hundred boyfriends :)
[14:30:09] <PetefromTn_> lucky girl! ;)
[14:30:11] <Storyteller> also, thats the real reason 3d printers were created
[14:30:22] <Storyteller> geeks wantng miniatures with nipples
[14:30:50] <PetefromTn_> Gotta get some lunch BBL
[14:31:25] <Storyteller> going out to dinner with my gf and parents and kid later... birthday is tomorrow, birthday dinner is tonight
[14:31:42] <Storyteller> ...what a drag it is getting old
[14:31:52] <Storyteller> http://www.orderofgamers.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mansionsofmadness_minis04.jpg
[14:53:54] <Storyteller> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/
[14:54:02] <Storyteller> that should go in your topic
[14:54:33] <Storyteller> I mean it is the beginner's guide to cnc terminology and concepts
[15:10:47] <Nick001-shop> better get used to that - your going to be nothing but getting old -) Every single day
[15:14:10] <Nick001-shop> Using pncconf - I get a 5i20 and 7i33 card that it recognizes - I have a 5i25 and 7i76 card in the machine. Do I set it up with this card info or do I have to upgrade from 2.5.4?
[15:17:42] <cradek> Nick001-shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_ZUuJuxuw
[15:19:55] <PCW> Nick001-shop: I would upgrade to 2.6.6 or >
[15:22:21] <renesis> you only get old if you believe in adults
[15:22:32] <renesis> truth: adults dont exist
[15:22:54] <malcom2073> I don't wanna grow up, I'm a CNC kid
[15:25:38] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You'll poke your eye out kid!
[15:27:24] <witnit_> on one of my turret machines, the turret slide stuck forward while it indexed and the drill came over on top of the part and the drill broke and hit just above my glasses in my head...
[15:27:34] <witnit_> rough day
[15:27:46] <malcom2073> Yowch
[15:27:46] <_methods> ouch
[15:28:02] <_methods> open machine?
[15:28:12] <_methods> or you had door open......
[15:28:13] <witnit_> left a good cut, i went out and showed the guys why you wear safety glasses
[15:28:29] <witnit_> the covers only cover diractly across the spindle
[15:28:34] <witnit_> directly
[15:28:36] <malcom2073> My machine has already drawn blood, even before I got it home
[15:28:40] <malcom2073> it has a taste for it :(
[15:28:47] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> If I upgrade to 12.04.5 LTS - will that get me 2.6.6?
[15:28:47] <witnit_> "christine"
[15:29:17] <PCW> I would just use the debian livecd
[15:29:22] <witnit_> http://res1.graysonline.com/handlers/imagehandler.ashx?t=sh&id=662281&s=n&index=0&ts=634553790348630000
[15:29:24] <witnit_> these machines
[15:31:19] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> how do I retain the various test programs I've accumulated?
[15:34:33] <MrSunshine_> my machine swonged a piece of mdf over the shop today ... small one i guess but .. was in the other room and heard it started grouning bad ... then i head a hard smack in a wall .. then it continued like nothing had happened :P
[15:34:56] <MrSunshine_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11026466_10153100638478648_1042301164_n.jpg?oh=adeaa291c3538d87afcb5ec7ff39d814&oe=54EF8582&__gda__=1424993683_0573cb3753c3d4be8d22b5fdbc6a0039 something strange hapened ... :P
[15:35:50] <witnit_> tool loaded up?
[15:36:41] <MrSunshine_> its just mdf .. and the big smack afterwards feels like a piece have to gotten stuck somehow on the endmill .. then it tried to cut a new place... =)
[15:37:17] <MrSunshine_> no damage to the cutter either =)
[15:38:22] <PCW> Nick001-shop: you can just upgrade to 2.6 if you dont want to change OS
[15:40:48] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> I'm reading the instructions now - Upgrading 10.4 from linuxcnc 2.5 to 2.6. How would I get to 2.7 for the GUI bug fix?
[15:42:09] <ssi> PCW: my 7i75 has at least one IO that's not responding to input... what tends to die on them to have that effect?
[15:45:36] <_methods> http://andybrown.me.uk/wk/2015/02/02/awcopper/
[15:46:28] <_methods> pretty spiffy for someone doing something with lcd
[15:58:18] <Nick001-shop> Looks like the new 2.2.6 has the bug fix and says 2.6.7. Pncconf is now reporting the right mesa cards - 5i25 and 7i76. On the sanity check a 7133 daughter card is checked. Whats with that one?
[16:00:12] <PCW> doesnt matter
[16:01:53] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> OK- I'll continue and hope I don't smoke something.
[16:03:45] <PCW> ssi: if you had a huge overload you migh kill the clamp diodes
[16:03:47] <PCW> inputs are good to about 24V for a second or two
[16:03:49] <PCW> IN --> 47 Ohm 2W --> 1N4148 equivalent clamp diodes to GND and 4.4V --> 50 PF -->FPGA
[16:14:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_VWBBE0M8 did anyone have one of these in 1986? GRiD Gridcase 1520 laptop
[16:17:40] <Crom_> Just got my bluetooth keyboard and trying it out on the phone
[16:18:06] <Crom_> now to try it on the computer
[16:29:07] <Cromaglious> won't copnnect to this bluetooth
[16:32:57] <Deejay> gn8
[16:42:43] <ssi> PCW: thanks I'll check that
[16:43:29] <ssi> one of my limit switches wasn't working, and I couldn't even get the input to toggle by grounding the pin directly
[16:43:34] <ssi> I just moved it to a spare input for now
[16:51:23] * adb has a HP terminal from .. 1972
[16:55:03] <Cromaglious> adb you got me beat... Dec Vt200 mid '80s
[16:55:31] <adb> heh
[16:55:45] <andypugh> My google-fu os broken
[16:55:50] <andypugh> (is broken)
[16:57:09] <andypugh> Where the heck is either the source-code or any hint of docs for python-rsvg ?
[16:57:18] <Cromaglious> Andy! Well I got a cheap chinese live center now and just got my bluetooth KB which BTW doesn't work on this computer :(
[16:57:49] <andypugh> I have installed it, it works, but without docs or source I can’t figure out how to drive it
[17:02:55] <Cromaglious> hmmm looks like the source is inside the gnome-python-desktop GIT repository
[17:03:35] <andypugh> Which I haven’t found a browsable version of.
[17:03:42] <andypugh> Do you know of one?
[17:05:10] <Cromaglious> looking
[17:06:03] <Cromaglious> well the tar.gz is on 700Kish
[17:06:44] <andypugh> Manageable, I suppose
[17:06:45] <Cromaglious> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-python-desktop/
[17:07:01] <andypugh> Or maybe I should just git clone it..
[17:14:25] <Cromaglious> ok telnetd working now
[17:14:48] <Cromaglious> suxs not being able to connect to the linux boxen from the winblozs box
[17:18:07] <unfy> tel...wha ? ssh!
[17:19:50] <andypugh> I _think_ I might have already guessed the right calling format, but need to sort something else out.
[17:19:50] <Cromaglious> yeah I could setup ssh... I just want to be able to hop on the linux machine from my daughters machine as nessary
[17:36:37] <jdh> takes about 20 seconds to download putty
[17:37:12] <Tom_itx> that and winftp
[17:37:58] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you about?
[17:54:20] <Crom_> wee in the car with the bluetooth keyboard
[17:54:55] <Crom_> now I have to make a mount for the phone to the keyboard
[18:00:30] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man my neighborhood is a winter wonderland hehe
[18:00:33] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I move a stepper with the ramps today :)
[18:00:55] <Tom_itx> hurray!
[18:01:05] <Tom_itx> what front end did you use?
[18:01:24] <JT-Shop> some of those guys in #reprap are butt heads
[18:01:28] <Tom_itx> is it.. pronterface?
[18:01:28] <andypugh> Crom_: if that’s Cromaglious I managed to make it work :-)
[18:01:33] <_methods> you think
[18:01:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop most of them are!
[18:01:42] <_methods> that's why they get so much love
[18:01:48] <JT-Shop> I used the ramps test thing
[18:01:58] <andypugh> For some reason the “id” in render_cairo() needs a # pre-pending at the front…
[18:01:59] <Tom_itx> it's why i had you join the other channel...
[18:02:43] <_methods> oh is there a #not-retarded-reprap
[18:02:46] <JT-Shop> what do they call the ardunio program?
[18:02:58] <JT-Shop> sketch
[18:03:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:03:07] <_methods> yeah sketches lol
[18:03:17] <JT-Shop> this is a test one that just moves the steppers back and forth and cycles the outputs
[18:03:49] <JT-Shop> so I've verified the stepper connections and Chinese New Year is almost over so I can order some linear rails
[18:04:54] <JT-Shop> the ramps I have is rated for 24v, so is only the stepper power the only one you want to connect to 24v?
[18:06:21] <Tom_itx> probably
[18:06:27] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what that diode does
[18:06:41] <Tom_itx> it has something to do with the power source though
[18:06:43] <Tom_itx> iirc
[18:06:43] <_methods> your hot bed
[18:06:49] <_methods> and hot end
[18:06:57] <JT-Shop> I think the 5a input also does the extruder and the 11a only does the hot bed
[18:07:04] <Tom_itx> make sure the hot end is 24v
[18:07:07] <_methods> yeah
[18:07:17] <_methods> 24v heat cartridge
[18:07:24] <Tom_itx> or it will be short lived
[18:07:27] <_methods> hehe
[18:08:19] <JT-Shop> I have a nice 24vdc 2.5a power supply I'd like to use
[18:08:19] <Tom_itx> triffid_hunter would be quite helpful to you in robotics on setting all that up
[18:08:48] <Tom_itx> he's an aussie
[18:09:35] <JT-Shop> what's the best time to catch him?
[18:09:47] <Tom_itx> i dunno, you could try now?
[18:09:55] <Tom_itx> he'll answer if he's awake
[18:10:10] <Tom_itx> or early morning
[18:10:37] <Tom_itx> it's 11am there
[18:10:38] <JT-Shop> I've seen where you need to set the current pot, but nothing telling you what to set it to
[18:10:58] <Tom_itx> i think you put a meter in series with the stepper
[18:11:07] <Tom_itx> and set it but you could ask him
[18:11:20] <Tom_itx> reprappers just wing it and pray
[18:50:50] <witnit> im looking for minimal backlash ballscrew system but heavy duty like this, any ideas where to find such things....cheap..
[18:50:52] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/linear-positioning-machine-table-slide-gilman-8-x-10-x-3-/391060940437?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b0d0c6695
[18:51:42] <XXCoder1> make your own
[18:51:51] <XXCoder1> honestly cheapest if you has stuff to mae em I bet
[18:52:37] <witnit> I was hoping for something with ballscrew already, gibs etc
[18:53:00] <XXCoder1> chinese ones?
[18:53:07] <XXCoder1> you'll need to buy new bearings
[18:53:07] <witnit> no
[18:53:14] <XXCoder1> because chinese ones is shit
[18:53:28] <witnit> rexroth or something i dunno
[18:54:39] <witnit> okay, this is what i want, but not $2k a pop
[18:54:41] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GILMAN-8-X-8-SLIDE-W-BALLSCREW-ACTUATOR-NOS-/400854024155?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d54c2ffdb
[18:57:37] <XXCoder1> looking
[18:57:47] <XXCoder1> dang
[19:02:45] <witnit> I can buy a whole lathe for that price
[19:03:17] <XXCoder1> then make balscrew yes lol
[19:16:55] <MacGalempsy> hello
[19:17:38] <XXCoder1> hey
[20:12:54] <Crom_> I ned to find more people to join our makerspace here in Temecula
[20:12:54] <Crom_> any ideas?
[20:12:54] <Crom_> ugh this bluetooth keyboard the right shift is run internet not shift grrrr
[20:12:54] <bobo_> where is Temecula ?
[20:12:54] <Crom_> and I can't browse on the computer while it is running a cut... otherwise it loses steps
[20:12:54] <Crom_> Southwest Riverside county se of Los Angeles
[20:12:54] <Crom_> on Interstate 15 just north of San Diego County
[20:12:54] <Crom_> metro area has 300K people
[20:12:54] <bobo_> I am in ohio -----sorry
[20:12:54] <Crom_> all I need is 45 people
[20:12:54] <bobo_> do you have a You-tube presentation ?
[20:12:54] <Crom_> creatorspace.us
[20:12:54] <Crom_> I haven't really looked at the web site acutally
[20:12:54] <bobo_> would think Car hobbiest -------would be interested
[20:12:54] <Crom_> I'm thinking maybe getting the senior center to get them to bring the oldsters over here for a tour and see if we can get some codgers during the day before school lets out and let them do wood work
[20:12:54] <bobo_> Oh god ------the burnt out old loosers
[20:12:54] <Crom_> and pay membership...
[20:16:46] <Crom_> table saw, band saw, routertable, radial arm saw, lathe, metal lathe
[20:16:46] <Crom_> hm radio
[20:16:46] <Crom_> ham radio
[20:16:46] <bobo_> would think your bigest problem is quality ----not quanity of members
[20:16:47] <PetefromTn_> gonna try to make some snow cream here LOL
[20:16:47] <Crom_> don't really care about the quality... right now we need the quantity
[20:25:00] <bobo_> might be worth trying senor center ----selling idea of us old bozos hooking up with our family to do projects
[20:25:01] <bobo_> Crom : car clubs ?
[20:25:02] <bobo_> Crom : hobby store ads ?
[20:25:02] <MacGalempsy> looks like its going to be a slow night... I ordered the relays that were recommended and they are the wrong g.d. ones
[20:27:39] <bobo_> Wrong as in ?-----575 volt dc----
[20:27:39] <bobo_> 2 volt 75 amp coil ?
[20:30:08] <PetefromTn_> damn snow cream is not bad really!
[20:30:19] <bobo_> where is Pete ------ out tasting yellow snow ?
[20:31:42] <PetefromTn_> yup love it!!
[20:33:53] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST tastes like vanilla soft serve ice cream. Amazing...
[20:36:41] <bobo_> the Yellow snow does ? thanks for the warning ------will stay away from the soft ice cream places now
[20:36:41] <PetefromTn_> no smartass the pure white powder snow...
[20:36:41] <PetefromTn_> some condensed milk, some vanilla extract, some sugar, and whatever else my wife's friends recipe called for and four cups of pure white snow and you got a nice treat!!!
[20:37:41] <Crom_> so true!
[20:37:58] <bobo_> I thought late winter was bad in ohio ----guess it isn't any better in Tn.------come on Spring
[20:45:28] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: no wrong as in negative logic instead of positive logic
[20:46:29] <bobo_> bummer bummer bummer
[20:46:52] <MacGalempsy> anyways, now that I know there is an electrical store down the street that has an EE sitting behind the counter, I wont be buying parts off the internet anymore!
[20:46:55] <Tom_itx> so change your pins in hal
[20:47:09] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: its part of the learning process!
[20:47:14] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy ^^
[20:47:44] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: the MESA 7177 only has positive outs
[20:48:02] <MacGalempsy> they had the relays, but not the bases
[20:48:20] <MacGalempsy> so 2 days isnt so bad. it gives me some time to work on cleaning up the wiring clutter
[20:48:20] <bobo_> Question might be --why is a EE behind the counter ?
[20:48:34] <Tom_itx> you can't switch the wires on the relay??
[20:48:45] <MacGalempsy> i tried that but it started smoking
[20:49:04] <MacGalempsy> just playing it safe
[20:49:16] <Tom_itx> there's gotta be a way... it's just a friggin relay
[20:49:39] <MacGalempsy> its cool. i just put them in the electrical stuff I got and marked them for a future project
[20:50:18] <MacGalempsy> anyone build one of these? http://www.homebuiltedmmachines.com/index.php?page=home
[20:52:06] <XXCoder1> interesting
[20:55:18] <MacGalempsy> I just ordered the pulse starter kit for $88.
[20:55:47] <MacGalempsy> this will be perfect for making a small EDM!
[20:56:21] <Tom_itx> or knockin yourself on your butt
[20:56:50] <MacGalempsy> hehe! part of the build will be a wooden floor
[20:57:46] <XXCoder1> rubber platform on glass
[20:57:55] <XXCoder1> very good non-conductivity
[21:01:28] <bobo_> Ben Fleming ----- I saw a EDM set-up at the michigian model show --several years ago------was impressed
[21:02:11] <MacGalempsy> to my surprise, he works at the University of Arkansas, where my wife is attending
[21:02:39] <bobo_> go pick his brain
[21:03:07] <MacGalempsy> once I get it going, I might go over and buy the guy a beer (if I ever start drinking again!)
[21:03:36] <bobo_> red pop works
[21:04:14] <MacGalempsy> so many people dont trust people who dont drink!
[21:05:07] <bobo_> me ---i would stay away from Pets yellow snow stuff
[21:05:19] <MacGalempsy> bahahaha.
[21:06:19] <PetefromTn_> WHY man it is good!
[21:06:32] <MacGalempsy> what is the recipe?
[21:06:59] <XXCoder1> hey wolf
[21:07:00] <MacGalempsy> all our snow melted this morning (after salting the driveway at 0400)
[21:07:27] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it has four cups pure WHITE snow, a cup of condensed milk, 1/4 cup sugar, 1 teaspoon vanilla, and some other stuff....
[21:07:59] <MacGalempsy> oh, that doesnt sound too bad
[21:08:26] <PetefromTn_> its really surprisingly good I tell ya. I ate two bowls of it LOL
[21:09:06] <bobo_> EDM one of the big things is dielectric.-----water is a really usefull dielectric , but there is some condicution needed or else the voltage is too high
[21:09:07] <PetefromTn_> after our Shrimp fettucini and Spinach pies it was a nice desert..
[21:10:45] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/97sxZol.jpg MMmmmmm!! LOL
[21:11:32] <bobo_> O no yellow snow -- with cheese cake --- talk about yeng vers yang
[21:11:45] <MacGalempsy> looks like you sprinkled it on the shrimp
[21:12:01] <PetefromTn_> no thats pecorino romano hehe
[21:12:22] <PetefromTn_> and no we don't have any cheesecake which is something of a capital crime if you ask me...
[21:12:33] <PetefromTn_> so the snow cream is gonna have to do.
[21:16:11] <furrywolf> got my chinese test indicator in the mail... seems to work acceptably.
[21:17:02] <bobo_> indicator of what ?
[21:17:36] <furrywolf> of movement?
[21:18:18] <furrywolf> a dial indicator with a little lever on the bottom making it a flippy thingy instead of a pushy thingy.
[21:18:37] <bobo_> Oh -----good
[21:18:55] <furrywolf> need to square my mill... but that'll probably get put off for a while now.
[21:19:07] <XXCoder1> cool
[21:19:17] <XXCoder1> sigh really need to get my cnc rolling lol
[21:19:21] <XXCoder1> stalled for over year now
[21:19:53] * furrywolf bolts XXCoder1's walk/stop sign to it, and sets it to "walk", to see if that gets him out of "stop".
[21:20:03] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:20:13] <XXCoder1> that would be funny use
[21:20:20] <XXCoder1> if I had big cnc mill I would use it
[21:20:34] <XXCoder1> walk for running and stop for finished/problem
[21:20:37] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder1: where are you on the project? we seem to be in a similar boat
[21:20:49] <XXCoder1> MacGalempsy: I has all electrics but zero fram,e\
[21:21:05] <furrywolf> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1963/030quot_Dial_Test_Indicator_0005quot got one of those
[21:21:07] <MacGalempsy> that can be a problem
[21:21:22] <XXCoder1> MacGalempsy: Im also not sure how to build it
[21:21:29] <XXCoder1> and willpower lacking
[21:21:45] <MacGalempsy> haha, you just dont hate your day-to-day job enough!
[21:21:47] <XXCoder1> also too busy fixing cars, my car is fine now but van is having couple major issues with egr and iaxc
[21:22:23] <XXCoder1> need that type of dial indictor
[21:22:26] <XXCoder1> maybe later
[21:22:26] <furrywolf> you haven't fixed the egr yet?
[21:22:32] <XXCoder1> it is fixed in car
[21:22:37] <XXCoder1> van also has same issue
[21:22:44] <furrywolf> what was it on the car?
[21:23:01] * furrywolf always wants to know what the problem turned out to be, to use as a data point for future repairs
[21:23:03] <XXCoder1> the holes near trottle block was completely blocked
[21:23:07] <XXCoder1> carbomn
[21:23:09] <jdh> got pedals?
[21:23:14] <jdh> <urk>
[21:23:21] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: as I said, 90% of the time it's a coked up line. lol
[21:23:23] <XXCoder1> I made internal tube inside manfold very clean
[21:23:38] <XXCoder1> and it passed stall test!
[21:23:40] <XXCoder1> finally.
[21:23:50] <furrywolf> stalled when you applied vacuum to the valve?
[21:23:54] <XXCoder1> easy to do, just connect egr vaccum line to vaccum source
[21:23:59] <XXCoder1> boom barely could run
[21:24:04] <furrywolf> yep :)
[21:24:13] <XXCoder1> I tried directly making vaccum myself, could make it stall a little
[21:24:32] <furrywolf> easiest way to determine if the problem is in the egr flow path, or in the controls/sensors.
[21:24:36] <XXCoder1> I need to do same test on van before I try remove trottle (basically same design)
[21:24:57] * furrywolf has fixed too many cars
[21:25:22] <XXCoder1> hmm lemme try now brb
[21:36:52] <bobo_> MacGalempsy EDM as i have been led to believe the mach.makers include a book listing best volt amp feed-rate settings for materials. you mught try to get that info before building a mach
[21:37:26] <bobo_> also best wire type
[21:38:09] <zeeshan> HElLO BOBO
[21:38:26] <bobo_> Hi zeeshan
[21:39:52] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16433008947/
[21:39:54] * zeeshan was having fun today
[21:40:02] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16454121839/in/photostream/
[21:40:06] <zeeshan> can you tell what it is? :-)
[21:40:36] * furrywolf can!
[21:40:44] <furrywolf> they're links to an annoying image hosting service.
[21:40:51] <zeeshan> haha
[21:41:50] <furrywolf> it's your blue part, magnified.
[21:42:05] <zeeshan> yessir
[21:42:10] <zeeshan> that thing has some serious angles in it
[21:42:13] <bobo_> one i have is tan
[21:42:22] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: hey
[21:42:31] <XXCoder1> well dunno result on this test
[21:42:41] <XXCoder1> I disconnected vacuum source and connected egr to it
[21:43:05] <furrywolf> hey hey my my rock and roll etc? P
[21:43:07] <XXCoder1> it didn't stall but later when I just left source disconnected it stalls a little I guess because it needs vacuum to run stuff
[21:43:29] <furrywolf> no, it's because you're creating a vacuum leak.
[21:43:30] <XXCoder1> there is no other source of vacuum, ford cougar was easier because it had source with 3 connectors so I could skip one
[21:43:50] <XXCoder1> I could not suck hard enough to do anything
[21:44:06] <furrywolf> when you let it suck air in, the air doesn't go through the mass airflow sensor (or carb, if you have an old car), and doesn't result in any fuel being added to go with the air, causing it to lean and run rough.
[21:44:09] <XXCoder1> so either it failed or I suck on suckoing lol
[21:44:26] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: it ran fine with egr connected to vacuum though
[21:44:27] <furrywolf> I'd say the test failed, and you probably have another plugged line or passageway.
[21:44:31] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:44:45] <furrywolf> right. the egr valve is sealed - once the valve moves, it doesn't suck any additional air in.
[21:44:52] <furrywolf> but with the line just open, it sucks air in continually.
[21:45:02] <furrywolf> the vacuum side is just a diaphragm
[21:45:22] <XXCoder1> it stuck to vacumm source just fine, so line could hold vacuum
[21:45:28] <XXCoder1> so egr is fine just clogged stuff
[21:45:46] <XXCoder1> it wasnt fastened to vacuum source, its too small hose to bigger connector
[21:45:55] <furrywolf> most likely a clog, could also be a bad valve. clogs are more common.
[21:46:14] <XXCoder1> yeah plan to clean it out when has time and car fueled up
[21:54:28] <bobo_> zeeshan that looks like the so called "blue " part on the shadow graph "
[22:02:01] <zeeshan> yessir
[22:02:02] <zeeshan> :]
[22:02:09] <zeeshan> i have an accurate model of it now
[22:02:19] <zeeshan> within a thou or two
[22:02:31] <PetefromTn_> thats a mile heh.
[22:02:51] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[22:02:59] <zeeshan> whats a mile
[22:03:16] <PetefromTn_> just bustin your chops man..
[22:03:16] <zeeshan> a mile is 6336000 thousands
[22:03:17] <furrywolf> why do you need an accurate model of the cam? I thought you were only making a new cylinder...
[22:03:28] <zeeshan> furrywolf: want to fully simulate
[22:03:30] <zeeshan> before making
[22:03:44] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you lost a decimal somewhere
[22:03:46] <zeeshan> perhpas moving the cam to a seperate unit and using a standard single acting hydraulic cylinder
[22:03:52] <zeeshan> did i
[22:03:55] <zeeshan> whoops i did
[22:04:13] <zeeshan> i also missed a t in thousandths
[22:04:24] <zeeshan> and an h :(
[22:04:29] <furrywolf> lol
[22:04:30] <Crom_> ugh mach3 suxs
[22:04:53] <zeeshan> crom you just found out? :)
[22:05:21] <Crom_> ugh mach3 suxs BIG TIME
[22:05:25] <zeeshan> i was trying to think about this, for position control
[22:05:28] <zeeshan> proportional -> position
[22:05:32] <zeeshan> derviative -> velocity
[22:05:39] <zeeshan> integral -> ?????
[22:06:16] <zeeshan> i was going through my notes,, we had a d^2 too
[22:06:20] <zeeshan> which would i guess be acceleration
[22:07:46] <PetefromTn_> Crom_ Agreed...
[22:10:35] <bobo_> if it wasn't for mach3 , i do not think there would be as much DUI cnc
[22:11:11] <PetefromTn_> so folks drive their CNC's under the influence because of Mach3 then?
[22:11:26] <bobo_> DUI = do it yourself
[22:11:36] <mozmck> that would be DIY
[22:11:41] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[22:12:29] <furrywolf> lol
[22:12:43] <mozmck> DUI = Driving Under the Influence (of alcohol), possibly because of trying to use mach3 ;)
[22:13:10] <PetefromTn_> it drove them to drink hehe
[22:13:12] <furrywolf> flashcut will drive you to drinking too. :)
[22:13:27] <bobo_> yes DIY --- must have been thinking yellow snow
[22:13:40] <PetefromTn_> or perhaps you ate too much yellow snow?
[22:13:50] <mozmck> I see some people who really like flashcut - never have used it or even seen it really.
[22:14:01] <XXCoder2> ate yellow snow before
[22:14:09] <XXCoder2> apple juice with snow
[22:17:42] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wt5EV2LMcc
[22:17:46] <zeeshan> i found an animation for my drawbar
[22:18:25] <zeeshan> lol wtf
[22:19:18] <XXCoder2> I guess blue/purple thingy is coolant
[22:21:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL that would have been helpful when you first started tearing into the damn thing huh..
[22:21:50] <furrywolf> that's a different cam profile than yours
[22:22:04] <zeeshan> yea i just noticed
[22:22:09] <zeeshan> and the hyd cyl is a bit diff
[22:23:30] <zeeshan> pete
[22:23:33] <zeeshan> did you see the tool kart
[22:23:38] <zeeshan> cart
[22:24:27] <PetefromTn_> nope
[22:24:57] <zeeshan> https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8575/16630381372_c44af76dfb_k.jpg
[22:25:03] <zeeshan> im gonna modify it to add a plywood top to hold my comp
[22:25:10] <zeeshan> i feel like i can hang stuff from the sides of it
[22:25:12] <zeeshan> more stuff
[22:25:19] <zeeshan> like wrenches and stuff for the machine
[22:25:21] <PetefromTn_> hey that is not bad huh
[22:25:27] <zeeshan> yea man
[22:25:35] <zeeshan> you were right that its easier just to get the cart
[22:25:42] <XXCoder2> dont forget to use time lord tech like you did for rest of garage you somehow fit all that stuff in lol
[22:25:44] <zeeshan> rather than building one
[22:25:44] <PetefromTn_> sure
[22:25:53] <zeeshan> it needs a paintjob
[22:25:57] <furrywolf> ah, the ubiquitous chinese clamping set.
[22:26:04] <zeeshan> furrywolf: AWESOMELY CHEAP!
[22:26:05] <zeeshan> and works!@
[22:26:17] <furrywolf> yep. I have one too. :P
[22:26:18] <zeeshan> you know american sets are like 300$+
[22:26:20] <PetefromTn_> nothing wrong with those clamping sets..
[22:26:27] <zeeshan> i aint paying that for a bunch of bolts.
[22:26:29] <zeeshan> f that
[22:26:30] <furrywolf> $40 from harbor freight
[22:26:42] <zeeshan> yea this is $60 from busybee tools
[22:26:45] <zeeshan> canadian tax :-)
[22:27:03] <PetefromTn_> I need to get another set.
[22:27:08] <zeeshan> its useful!
[22:27:35] <zeeshan> im thinking i should move the tool racks a bit higher
[22:27:43] <zeeshan> and use the space under em for stuff
[22:27:46] <PetefromTn_> definitely
[22:27:54] <zeeshan> but what i need more tool space!
[22:28:01] <PetefromTn_> I keep my angle plates and collet chucks down there.
[22:28:14] <zeeshan> nice
[22:28:33] <zeeshan> im thinking of moving my granite table on it too
[22:28:35] <zeeshan> its in the basement right now
[22:28:41] <zeeshan> its a tiny one
[22:28:44] <PetefromTn_> thats what mine has LOL.
[22:28:48] <PetefromTn_> it is on top...
[22:28:56] <bobo_> zeeshan your finding that ott-jakob thing amazes me. good job
[22:28:56] <zeeshan> nice
[22:29:24] <zeeshan> bobo_: google hard enough till your eyes blow up
[22:29:25] <zeeshan> :(
[22:29:41] <zeeshan> i have a bit of OCD
[22:29:45] <zeeshan> more than a bit
[22:30:08] <zeeshan> do you guys check all your power switches once
[22:30:09] <zeeshan> or twice?
[22:30:18] <zeeshan> before exiting the shop
[22:31:19] <furrywolf> we check power switches?
[22:31:25] <zeeshan> :-(
[22:31:41] <PetefromTn_> I shut down the machine, pull the main disconnect on the back, then unplug the compressor and everything else and then go inside and flick the breaker to the machine generall...
[22:31:45] <bobo_> also ---and Pete too--check out the clamping system at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2j2jRf4Js .
[22:32:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: even after i do something similar
[22:32:39] <zeeshan> i gotta go back and check once more :{
[22:34:03] <furrywolf> I shut the power to my entire house off at night, does that count?
[22:34:33] <zeeshan> haha
[22:34:34] <zeeshan> are you serious
[22:34:53] <furrywolf> except during the summer
[22:34:55] <Crom_> laterz
[22:35:28] <furrywolf> I should note that shutting off the inverter on my solar system is primarily to save battery charge...
[22:37:11] <XXCoder2> nice
[22:37:19] <XXCoder2> off grid or just power boost
[22:37:31] <furrywolf> off-grid
[22:47:10] <bobo_> zeeshan did you also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRxIzYHgj6o , which shows the fingers being locked .
[22:48:18] <XXCoder2> nice
[22:50:54] <zeeshan> that looks crazy
[22:50:58] <zeeshan> very different from mine i think
[22:52:17] <bobo_> just the finger part ? may be same/similar
[22:54:19] <XXCoder2> damn
[22:54:21] <XXCoder2> http://makezine.com/2015/02/24/beautiful-weeds-preserve-a-dandelion-in-resin/
[22:54:23] <XXCoder2> I want one
[22:57:54] <XXCoder2> I also want alum chips one
[22:58:07] <XXCoder2> but not because of magic crap stuff I see online lol
[22:59:32] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: are u having to fabricate a whole new drawbar?
[23:00:06] <XXCoder2> http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/images/pics_rev/tb&hhg.jpg
[23:00:15] <XXCoder2> guys making em for "aura" stuff
[23:00:21] <XXCoder2> but I like the look
[23:00:28] <XXCoder2> so I wanna make em
[23:00:34] <XXCoder2> not exactly same though
[23:01:59] <zeeshan> no mac
[23:02:04] <zeeshan> justthe tube
[23:02:52] <furrywolf> that's new-age crap... you see them posted on craigslist about how they channel energy even better than crystals... yay defective people.
[23:02:58] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: check this out http://www.homebuiltedmmachines.com/index.php?page=home
[23:03:02] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: yeah woo woo stuff
[23:03:16] <XXCoder2> I just like look. I want big sphere of it or something
[23:03:52] <zeeshan> lol
[23:03:54] <zeeshan> thats sweet dude!
[23:03:57] <zeeshan> did you get one
[23:04:06] <XXCoder2> hell no Im not supporting any woo woo stuff
[23:04:18] <zeeshan> mac
[23:04:19] <zeeshan> :P
[23:04:21] <MacGalempsy> just ordered the board and the book. we'll see what the parts cost is
[23:04:24] <XXCoder2> oh didnt see, sorry
[23:04:34] <zeeshan> what th ehell is woo woo stuff
[23:04:34] <zeeshan> haha
[23:04:39] <XXCoder2> crazy stuff
[23:04:39] <zeeshan> hookers?
[23:04:41] <zeeshan> oh
[23:04:44] <XXCoder2> spirits and stuff
[23:04:51] <XXCoder2> "aura" so on
[23:04:53] <zeeshan> alcoholics
[23:04:56] <XXCoder2> no
[23:05:01] <zeeshan> oh
[23:05:02] <zeeshan> like ghosts
[23:05:11] <XXCoder2> yeah
[23:05:11] <zeeshan> energy
[23:05:21] <zeeshan> e=mc^2 answer to lifes questions
[23:05:29] <XXCoder2> nah
[23:05:31] <XXCoder2> 42 lol
[23:05:34] <zeeshan> its an inside joke for me
[23:05:34] <furrywolf> zeeshan: it's like how crystals help channel cosmic energy to boost your chi and make your bong work better.
[23:05:43] <zeeshan> i used to do some trolling on test papers
[23:06:03] <zeeshan> e= 1/2 mv^2
[23:06:08] <zeeshan> in the beginning of the paper i'd write
[23:06:11] <zeeshan> "let v = c"
[23:06:24] <zeeshan> then i'd write 2e = mc^2
[23:06:33] <zeeshan> troll
[23:06:51] <zeeshan> give me chi
[23:06:55] <zeeshan> to make a new hydraulic cylinder
[23:08:00] <furrywolf> it's, like, the crystals create a focal point for the cosmic energy that, like, makes the plants grow and, like, helps channel that energy directly into your chi and, like, gives you a positive aura and helps, like, relax you and improve your positive thinking, and... fucking it. I can't keep pretending to be that brain-damaged. I've met way too many people like that.
[23:08:19] <XXCoder2> yeah
[23:08:30] <XXCoder2> not common around here but yeah met a few
[23:08:46] <XXCoder2> belivers
[23:09:22] <furrywolf> they're sadly common here.
[23:09:30] <PetefromTn_> honestly to me I feel if it works for people and makes their lives better even if it is completely imagined then so be it...Happy for them.
[23:09:49] <XXCoder2> I prefer realism
[23:09:54] <furrywolf> that's the same argument people use for why we should tolerate religion.
[23:09:59] <XXCoder2> nobody can directly see it but I try to get as close as possible
[23:10:42] <PetefromTn_> we shouldn't tolerate religion?
[23:11:04] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: I agree.
[23:11:13] <XXCoder2> My view is simple. people can belive whatever as long as its stoved down my throat
[23:11:21] <MacGalempsy> as long as one finds inner peace, its all good!
[23:11:30] <XXCoder2> "Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat. "
[23:11:31] <zeeshan> im religious
[23:11:32] <zeeshan> becareful
[23:11:44] <furrywolf> lol
[23:11:51] <XXCoder2> zee sorry not being careful anytime soon
[23:12:20] * furrywolf will need to remember that quote
[23:12:21] <zeeshan> just like you don't like religious people's views
[23:12:25] <zeeshan> they dont like yours.
[23:12:32] <zeeshan> so please don't shove it in my childs face either
[23:12:33] <zeeshan> thank u
[23:12:36] <XXCoder2> I got no issue with that
[23:12:44] <MacGalempsy> im religious too, whats so bad about being a believer?
[23:13:02] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder2 have you ever traveled outside your native country?
[23:13:09] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: its not fair if it does not go both ways
[23:13:15] <zeeshan> yea!
[23:13:18] <zeeshan> neutrality is best
[23:13:30] <zeeshan> religious is a very personal thing
[23:13:37] <XXCoder2> I wish its true for everyone
[23:13:47] <zeeshan> anti-religion seems personal too
[23:13:53] <XXCoder2> notice I never say anything
[23:13:57] <furrywolf> except somehow way too many laws are based on religion
[23:14:06] <zeeshan> like what furrywolf?
[23:14:08] <XXCoder2> and im one of more miliant atheists out there
[23:14:17] <XXCoder2> but I keep it personal
[23:14:33] <furrywolf> zeeshan: anti-choice, anti-love, anti-"vice", etc, etc.
[23:14:42] <zeeshan> gays should be burned
[23:14:49] * zeeshan is trolling
[23:14:55] * furrywolf beats zeeshan with a strapon
[23:14:55] <zeeshan> but i see what you mean
[23:15:01] <zeeshan> yea, i think let people be gay
[23:15:02] <XXCoder2> you got dicked
[23:15:06] <XXCoder2> ;)
[23:15:08] <zeeshan> its their business
[23:15:14] <zeeshan> my problem with gays is
[23:15:30] <zeeshan> for some reason a lot of them feel the need to be super affectionate in front of others
[23:15:33] <XXCoder2> ah ah careful with "them"
[23:15:39] <MacGalempsy> some religions like Christianity and Islam say spreading the word is the responsible part of the religion. so how can you blame people for "whipping it out"?
[23:15:45] <XXCoder2> not everyone is same if member of same group
[23:16:34] <MacGalempsy> anyways before we get into religion too much. anyone got any EDM advice? lol
[23:16:41] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i want a taper burner edm
[23:16:44] <zeeshan> they are bad ass
[23:16:46] <XXCoder2> yeah wear lot of rubbers
[23:16:48] <XXCoder2> ;)
[23:16:48] <zeeshan> *tap
[23:16:48] * furrywolf will be much happier when religion is finally eliminated
[23:16:59] <zeeshan> religion keeps growing
[23:17:03] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: sure for a minute then theres new stuff
[23:17:09] <zeeshan> at a faster rate than athiesm
[23:17:11] <PetefromTn_> LOL Good luck with that...
[23:17:14] <zeeshan> so i dont think that's going to happen anytime soon
[23:17:14] <MacGalempsy> the taper would just be the electrode, or like a 5axis?
[23:17:17] <XXCoder2> we will always have problems
[23:17:28] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: was a typo
[23:17:30] <zeeshan> i meant tap
[23:17:53] <MacGalempsy> lol. that website I posted has a board for that kind, they call it a R/C EDM
[23:18:14] <PetefromTn_> you mean a sink edm?
[23:18:18] <zeeshan> well edm isn't really something fancy
[23:18:27] <zeeshan> its just puled high voltage dc
[23:18:28] <MacGalempsy> the R/C is the power type
[23:18:30] <zeeshan> pulsed
[23:18:33] <zeeshan> but high amperage
[23:18:35] <MacGalempsy> Resistor/ Capacitor
[23:18:37] <zeeshan> wait sorry,
[23:18:41] <zeeshan> low voltage, high amperage
[23:18:44] <furrywolf> zeeshan: fortunately, the percentage of religious people drops every year
[23:18:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: hate religion all you want
[23:19:00] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: is that really a fortunate thing?
[23:19:10] <furrywolf> religion is rather unpopular when people are given a choice, and the efforts to try to get it out of schools are starting to work.
[23:19:12] <zeeshan> i can sense MacGalempsy and pete have faith
[23:19:17] <zeeshan> i will stick with my brothers :)
[23:19:19] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: yes
[23:19:46] <zeeshan> i have a choice
[23:19:48] <zeeshan> i choose to be religious
[23:19:55] <PetefromTn_> In my view Religion and Culture walk hand in hand and wish all you want but they will ALWAYS be a part of the human equation...
[23:19:58] <MacGalempsy> most studies show religious people have the best outlooks on life
[23:20:33] <zeeshan> we will all find out the truth one day
[23:20:45] <MacGalempsy> in this day and age, I need all the help I can get to stay positive! hahaha
[23:20:48] <furrywolf> yes, because if you're completely delusional already, it helps you imagine everything else is all well and good too.
[23:21:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: the problem with human beings is they think they know everything
[23:21:24] <MacGalempsy> not really delusional, but whats the worst thin that happens? I die and there is nothing? its a state of mind
[23:21:42] <XXCoder2> You're talking about thT P something wager
[23:21:54] <XXCoder2> pascal wager?
[23:22:04] <furrywolf> zeeshan: no, the problem with RELIGIOUS ones is they think they know everything, because they have faith in what they've been told.
[23:22:28] <zeeshan> the creator's message cannot be refuted
[23:22:37] <furrywolf> notice how every time there's more evidence something they believe is utterly wrong, they try to create excuses for it. remember, god put the dinosaur bones in the ground just to test you.
[23:22:48] <zeeshan> can you disprove religion?
[23:22:55] <zeeshan> you're gonna throw the theory of evolution at me?
[23:23:27] <zeeshan> i think religion has been distorted over time
[23:23:39] <zeeshan> it's like passing a message in a circle
[23:23:49] <zeeshan> it changes its meaning at the end
[23:23:53] <zeeshan> but the point is, the message was delivered
[23:24:00] <zeeshan> how you want to percieve it now is up to you
[23:24:05] <zeeshan> some choose to kill others
[23:24:09] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: thats why my view is that any claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
[23:24:11] <furrywolf> can you disprove evolution?
[23:24:21] <zeeshan> hell no
[23:24:24] <zeeshan> evolution definitely happened
[23:25:00] <furrywolf> here's my theory: our planet was created by Dog. He drooled, and the oceans were formed. He scratched his fur, and all life fell out of it. You don't want to know where the mountains came from. Prove it wrong.
[23:25:12] <zeeshan> furrywolf: that is perfectly fine
[23:25:18] <zeeshan> if you really believe that
[23:25:18] <MacGalempsy> I think that goes back to the changing message. I mean when certain religious texts were written the understanding of the world was very different
[23:25:26] <zeeshan> then that's upto you
[23:25:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly furrywolf and XXcoder2 I am glad that you have the right to choose to not believe in anything that is a wonderful thing to have that right. What REALLY bothers me is the attitude you appear to have about it. Just because you choose to not believe in anything does not mean you are smarter or wiser than those who do. Your Attitude is disturbing at best.
[23:25:41] <zeeshan> ^
[23:25:43] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: Sorry if I seemed that way
[23:26:00] <zeeshan> #relgioncnc
[23:26:05] <zeeshan> :-)
[23:26:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't know how else it could be taken really..
[23:26:16] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I find people who talk to invisible personal beings disturbing, and think they need psychriatric care.
[23:26:17] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: point mine out
[23:26:23] <MacGalempsy> G-code = Godcode
[23:26:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: do you really think
[23:26:37] <zeeshan> we can understand everything around us?
[23:26:49] <XXCoder2> That's what science is for
[23:26:50] <zeeshan> we can't even visualize 4d
[23:27:00] <zeeshan> science tries to prove things yea
[23:27:06] <furrywolf> nope. I do, however, rather strongly think that the answer isn't to make crap up, and even worse, stick to that crap in face of better ideas.
[23:27:09] <zeeshan> and comes up with laws that predict certain behaviours
[23:27:11] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: its all about discovery
[23:27:23] <zeeshan> but do you really think we're capable of understanding erverything?
[23:27:25] <XXCoder2> and easiest person to fool you? yourself.
[23:27:30] <zeeshan> if you with suskind's lectures
[23:27:43] <zeeshan> he comes to a point where he's like "some things are beyond our understanding"
[23:27:47] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: we did not understand how orbits worked back then. we do now
[23:27:53] <XXCoder2> knowledge marches on
[23:27:58] <zeeshan> dude
[23:28:00] <zeeshan> those things are a joke
[23:28:04] <furrywolf> if no one knows something, the answer is that no one knows it. the answer isn't to make up some story about imaginary all-powerful beings who made it that way.
[23:28:10] <zeeshan> we can figure it out
[23:28:12] <zeeshan> like isaid
[23:28:13] <XXCoder2> we build on previous knowledge and reject wrong notions. that is all
[23:28:23] <XXCoder2> I know I have been wrong many times
[23:28:24] <zeeshan> we can never ever see 4 dimensionally
[23:28:25] <zeeshan> if we tried.
[23:28:30] <zeeshan> we were born in a 3D world
[23:28:31] <XXCoder2> more times than I care to admit
[23:28:36] <zeeshan> shit we even have to represent 1d and 2d
[23:28:39] <zeeshan> in a 3d perspective
[23:28:40] <zeeshan> to understand it
[23:28:51] <zeeshan> can you imagine a line by itself?
[23:28:55] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: there is notions that universe really is 12D
[23:29:00] <zeeshan> almost everyone has to join 2 dots in space
[23:29:08] <zeeshan> to come up with a 2d line
[23:29:15] <XXCoder2> (time is seperate, that is why we say 3 + 1 dimension)
[23:29:16] <zeeshan> yea string theory says that
[23:29:19] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: I think if you look at modern science, and some of the explainations of how processes work, you would find the same thing. people made up storys (hypotheses) to explain a phenomenon
[23:29:30] <zeeshan> einsteins didnt thingso.
[23:29:33] <zeeshan> he called it spacetime.
[23:29:36] <zeeshan> they go hand in hand
[23:29:39] <zeeshan> which is why we have gravity
[23:29:47] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: well I hope it leads to cheat on speed limit of light speed, we really need ftl travel.
[23:29:57] <MacGalempsy> evenutally after testing those hypotheses particular ones were disproved and others were accepted.
[23:30:00] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: but scientists are more than happy to change their opinions when better theories come along, while religiousists stick to the same crap no matter what happens.
[23:30:07] <zeeshan> i don't think he's unreasonable to think that there are things beyond our abilities
[23:30:13] <zeeshan> he= it's
[23:30:22] <XXCoder2> furrywolf: relious people that can accept change is fine to me
[23:30:31] <MacGalempsy> with religion, it is similar, but the problem is so complex that no one can solve it, so we just do the best we can
[23:30:38] <XXCoder2> (bit of irony) evolution of religion.
[23:31:11] <XXCoder2> MacGalempsy: I have a problem when religion tells person to supress other people rights.
[23:31:13] <PetefromTn_> as Zeeshan said earlier Religion is a very personal thing. If you choose to believe whatever it is you believe that is your choice and you can either choose to respect the person for that choice or call him or her names and show animosity towards them both of which only proves to show your own inadequacy.
[23:31:18] <XXCoder2> women seem to have it down hard.
[23:31:19] <MacGalempsy> the underlying factor is that something (God) put this all in motion, and we want to worship that
[23:31:25] <furrywolf> religion is very against evolution of religion... every time a religion tries to evolve, it's historically resulted in bloodshed, because religion is all about not thinking...
[23:31:56] <furrywolf> MacGalempsy: no, Dog did. see above. no one has yet proven me wrong, so I must be right.
[23:32:11] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: I have tried my best to respect everyone. I give it stright what I think when argument is related. not other times.
[23:32:14] <furrywolf> also, the world is only a week old. all of your memories, including those of your god, were put there by Dog to test your faith.
[23:32:19] <XXCoder2> I suck on social stuff
[23:32:44] <zeeshan> no matter if youre gay or straight
[23:32:55] <zeeshan> no matter what your race
[23:33:06] <zeeshan> no matter what your views towards religion are
[23:33:07] <XXCoder2> or species. (joking)
[23:33:08] <zeeshan> i love you ALL
[23:33:13] <zeeshan> cause you are all my cnc buddies!
[23:33:25] <XXCoder2> zeeshan: you're cool man :)
[23:33:37] <MacGalempsy> so one part of religion is obvious how things came to be, but the other part is that it was around before organized governance, so it can fundamentaly be a control technique
[23:33:43] <zeeshan> this is the best chatroom in the world
[23:33:54] <zeeshan> so glad i found it :d
[23:33:58] <XXCoder2> yeah
[23:34:03] <furrywolf> but it could be better. there's no one for me to curl up on in here. :(
[23:34:04] <XXCoder2> #cnc and #diycnc suck
[23:34:20] * furrywolf needs to get katsmeow in here
[23:34:21] <MacGalempsy> I wish the conversation got this lively when I needed LinuxCNC help! hahahahaa
[23:34:30] <zeeshan> furrywolf: get mr dog :-)
[23:34:35] <zeeshan> i want a dog
[23:34:40] <zeeshan> but i dont think i can handle the walks
[23:34:45] <XXCoder2> diycnc is silent with sucky mod that kick because i didnt complete all sentance at once in single line
[23:34:54] <zeeshan> XXCoder2: most of those are 3d printing channels
[23:34:55] <zeeshan> lol
[23:34:55] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: we have 4 dogs. come get one
[23:34:56] <XXCoder2> sometimes I think and add stuff man
[23:34:57] <PetefromTn_> the reality is that those that believe in whatever their religion is are going to do it whether you like it or not. anything you do that you think will change that is futile at best. The ONLY real answer in the world to change the wars and killing related to religion is for people to become accepting of others beliefs. Unfortunatley for some religions this goes against thier beliefs.
[23:35:09] <MacGalempsy> if you dont like it, bring it back
[23:35:12] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: you show up at like 3am
[23:35:13] <zeeshan> lol
[23:35:27] <zeeshan> no MacGalempsy i couldnt break a dogs heart like that
[23:35:27] <XXCoder2> 9 pm gonna go soon. got stuff to do then bed
[23:35:38] <zeeshan> they are so loyal
[23:35:47] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: indeed. that is why I usually do not debate about religion
[23:35:47] <zeeshan> no matter how much of a dick you are to them
[23:35:49] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: which is why we need to eliminate religion from schools and anywhere else young people might be exposed to it, so we can save their minds before it's too late to change them.
[23:35:54] <XXCoder2> I has a analog but it is really offensive
[23:36:17] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: it's always gonna happen unfortunately
[23:36:24] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: if you want I can send you pm if you promose not to be offended, because I warned you
[23:36:30] <furrywolf> lol
[23:36:57] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately by doing so much like the passage of time and loss of culture doing that would be more tragic than the alternatives...
[23:37:07] <furrywolf> I'd love another dog, but I don't have the time to properly care for one... dogs are family members, not objects.
[23:37:15] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder2 No thank you I do not wish to receive any anti anything from anyone..
[23:37:20] <MacGalempsy> how can one promise to not be offended?
[23:37:21] <furrywolf> change isn't always a loss.
[23:37:29] <PetefromTn_> sure it is...
[23:37:53] <furrywolf> why can't we have a change to a culture based on thinking, compassion, exploration, and love of your fellow people?
[23:37:55] <XXCoder2> MacGalempsy: what it means is that get offended but accept and move on
[23:38:05] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could bring back even a small fraction of the culture my family enjoyed into my kids lives
[23:38:12] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: its anti argument with other side actually but yeah offensive
[23:38:13] * furrywolf wouldn't consider this a loss
[23:38:25] <Crom_> one would think that a wizard for cutting around a rectangle would put the rectangle in the middle of the work area.... ARGHHH
[23:38:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: world is quite different now :/
[23:38:42] <zeeshan> i miss the 80s
[23:38:45] <zeeshan> when i was born
[23:38:47] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder2: lol. fair enough, I guess
[23:38:48] <zeeshan> it was different
[23:38:53] <PetefromTn_> yes it is.. and so much beauty has been lost.
[23:38:54] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: yeah there is one and only one human constant
[23:38:59] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: change.
[23:39:07] <PetefromTn_> disagree
[23:39:08] <XXCoder2> everything will change but change itself
[23:39:33] <PetefromTn_> I have had the good fortune to travel to a lot of other countries
[23:39:36] <Crom_> ditto Thn again I was born with a Texan in the whitehouse
[23:39:51] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: I do want to
[23:39:54] <Crom_> not GW or GH they are from Boston
[23:40:01] <XXCoder2> but I cant afford it AND pay interpeters
[23:40:05] <XXCoder2> two interpeters
[23:40:18] <XXCoder2> one to english then uet another to country language
[23:40:19] <PetefromTn_> and the one thing that always amazes me is the beauty and variety that comes from the cultures of other peoples much of which is largely based upon their religious beliefs.
[23:40:52] <MacGalempsy> somehow I endup visiting socialist and communist countries
[23:40:58] <PetefromTn_> even in the most impoverished countries and most desperate situations
[23:41:14] <furrywolf> I want to visit bangladesh and get a good curry.
[23:41:24] <furrywolf> unfortunately, traval is not compatible with my finances.
[23:41:28] <PetefromTn_> people have a way to cling to thier religious and cultural beliefs and it is a PRIVELEGE to see and experience it.
[23:41:56] <Crom_> PetefromTn_: yeah, i love the wood working from the quakers nd Amish, and Menenites
[23:42:34] <XXCoder2> I still remember 80s
[23:42:36] <furrywolf> bbl, it's now past my bedtime, and I'm exhausted. didn't get much sleep last night thinking about family.
[23:42:42] <XXCoder2> now its very different
[23:42:48] <XXCoder2> amazing
[23:42:49] <PetefromTn_> quite frankly in my short experience on this earth I cannot imagine a world without religion... it would be the literal destruction of our world and would destroy so much of what is most beutiful about humanity..
[23:43:04] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: we will pray that the lord presents himself to you in a dream tonight
[23:43:07] <MacGalempsy> lol
[23:43:13] <XXCoder2> I probably will live abother 30 years. thats equal time distance to 80s
[23:43:20] <XXCoder2> I cant image what it will be life.
[23:44:25] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: it'll be so horrible when people use their brains, don't kill each other for no reason, try to advance our understanding of the world, and love each other... gah, the horror.
[23:44:29] <furrywolf> bbl
[23:44:30] <XXCoder2> change. the constant. PetefromTn_ that is why I don't push atheism to everyone. either it blooms or it dies out. so be it.
[23:44:49] <PetefromTn_> just because technology and innovation flourishes does not mean culture and religion must be layed by the wayside. In Fact I think that it is an integral part of the future and hopefully we can bring the most beautiful and colorful traditions and rituals along for the ride.
[23:45:20] <XXCoder2> I just hope that humans will treat each other better across time. no more supressions, no more murder because person thought different.
[23:45:36] <XXCoder2> there will always be traditions
[23:45:56] <PetefromTn_> I think I have said my peace here.
[23:45:56] <XXCoder2> some last briefly, some last very long time
[23:46:14] <PetefromTn_> I hope my words did not offend anyone
[23:46:21] <XXCoder2> PetefromTn_: not for me
[23:46:30] <XXCoder2> sure I disagree to it some but thats normal
[23:47:12] <XXCoder2> and above: s/life/like
[23:48:41] <XXCoder2> ell time for me to make a change of state and get ready on stuff then sleep. night all :)
[23:49:35] <Crom_> not here either, I'm Budhist, wife is Wiccan
[23:49:37] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[23:50:03] <Crom_> nite
[23:51:03] <Crom_> <-listening to Steam Powered Giraffe
[23:52:32] <Crom_> Broke a bit tonight 1/8" end mill
[23:52:47] <Crom_> damn wizards
[23:53:05] * PetefromTn_ <--- enjoying some moby and massive attack
[23:54:01] <bobo_> Moby ?
[23:55:38] <zeeshan> bobo_: too new for you!
[23:58:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah Moby..
[23:59:40] <bobo_> the whale song ?