#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-23

[00:46:35] <witnit_> I want to get the guys at the shop each a pair of really nice safety glasses (i wear prescription safety) what kinds are your favorites? coated maybe?
[00:50:34] <XXCoder> damn
[00:50:35] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.io/project/1965-full-size-wireless-redstone-lamp
[00:50:38] <XXCoder> I want one
[00:50:53] <XXCoder> too bad no cnc :(
[01:03:05] <XXCoder> xvideo
[01:03:11] <XXCoder> jeez
[01:03:47] <XXCoder> wrong channel lol
[01:37:19] <Cromaglious> witnit, Anything stylish looking disappear out the door tooooooo fast
[01:37:47] <Cromaglious> aka smith and wessons, wrap arounds, sunglass safeties,...
[01:39:12] <Cromaglious> I really like the old birth control safety glasses with glass covered lenses, with the side shields permanently attached. either in light tan or light blue almost a robin blue
[01:40:21] <Cromaglious> they last forever and ugly enough they never leave the shop and actually work. But the important thing is they are comfortable!
[01:41:39] <Cromaglious> the cheap plastic safety glasses... the lenses scratch inside of a day and then they get tossed and they get a new pair. so some guys might be going through 5 to 15 pairs a week...
[01:41:55] <Cromaglious> witnit_: you there?
[01:49:09] <Cromaglious> witnit_ , nudge nudge
[02:14:15] <Deejay> moin
[02:17:12] <witnit_> Cromaglious, its a small shop family and close friends we all share tools and it works out nice. They only go through a <5 pair each a year I bet.
[02:17:35] <witnit_> I just think if i can get some really good scratch resistant ones it would be best
[02:18:01] <witnit_> but im not sure the brands or industries that use hardcoated safety glasses
[02:18:25] <witnit_> I want something they can wipe off and if there is a spec of metal it wont instantly leave a deep groove
[02:21:13] <witnit_> morning Dee =D
[02:27:27] <Deejay> mojn witnit_
[02:53:31] <MacGalempsy> hello
[04:07:24] <MacGalempsy> Is this the same MrSunshine that plays bf43?
[04:07:33] <MrSunshine> nop
[04:07:42] <MacGalempsy> ahhh. ok
[04:09:04] <MacGalempsy> hes pretty good, and his wife MrsSunshine plays pretty good too
[04:23:56] <MrSunshine> heh
[05:52:09] <jack16> What's your recommendation for 400 hz inverter to go with chinese spindle (2.2 kW)? Supplied on just blew off.
[05:53:01] <jack16> caught fire, actually
[05:55:12] <archivist> one has to ask, did the motor kill the inverter
[06:00:23] <jack16> motor spins freely, each phase pair gives same 1.6 Ohm resistance. I'd bet it's ok
[06:01:08] <archivist> check leakage to ground too
[06:01:46] <archivist> you may have shorted turns a simple resistance test will not show
[06:02:49] <archivist> if you can measure inductance as well, that should spot that
[06:10:59] <jack16> on leakage, can't test inductance
[06:15:28] <jack16> on=ok
[06:15:42] <Loetmichel> archivist: even better than measuring inductance is pulse the windig with a dc current and look on the answer on an oscilloscope: if you see some decreasing ringing thats a sure sing of a winding short
[06:16:18] <Loetmichel> if it simply leaps up voltage wise and dissiüpates its usually ok
[06:29:58] <Miller_> quit
[07:46:12] <MrSunshine> yeey looks like my luabindings for opencamlib works somewhat =)
[09:17:59] <JT-Shop> so much for the USPS bragging about delivering mail... I've not had any mail since the 13th and don't expect them to show up till the 25th or 26th
[09:19:37] <skunkworks> yeck, has the weather cleared finally?
[09:20:36] <JT-Shop> no precip expected till Saturday but frozen sleet and snow still on the ground and any county roads that are not paved
[09:22:24] <pcw_home> you mean rain or sleet or snow _do_ stay these couriers...
[09:23:18] <JT-Shop> lol yea no one comes out here when there is snow on the road. I have a UPS shipment that has been "out for delivery" since last Monday
[09:23:27] <JT-Shop> no trash collection either
[09:29:25] <_methods> damn
[09:29:42] <_methods> you're going to have to start eating your neighbors
[09:30:16] <malcom2073> Lol
[09:30:47] <_methods> anyone in here had good luck with any turning inserts with UHMW?
[09:30:52] <malcom2073> They do that to us, and our post office keeps hours of 11am to 3pm, so it's difficult to get there to pick things up
[09:32:11] <jthornton> I use inserts designed for aluminum with dead sharp edges on plastics
[09:32:41] <_methods> yeah we're using the smallest ic now
[09:33:27] <_methods> i've got an email out to the sandvik rep i guess they have some dcgx inserts that are supposed to eject the "chip" more like streamer away from the chuck
[09:33:51] <_methods> and by chip i mean rope
[09:33:54] <archivist> you need the ground sharp ones
[09:34:06] <_methods> yeah we might have to use HSS for this one
[09:35:55] <jthornton> http://www.toolmex.com/images/ecomm_images/Items/Large/DCGT-AK.jpg
[09:36:13] <_methods> yeah
[09:36:14] <jthornton> I use inserts similar to that one with sharp edges
[09:36:23] <_methods> that's what the dcgx is i guess
[09:36:28] <_methods> similar geometry
[09:36:47] <_methods> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?c=dcgx%202%281.5%290-al%20h10
[09:37:37] <_methods> probably need to look at the 01 though
[09:37:48] <jthornton> I like the polished ones they seem sharper
[09:38:12] <_methods> i'll try them out
[10:00:14] <ssi> marn
[10:04:43] <ssi> pcw_home: hey I was gonna order that P2 IDC to DB25 adapter on the store, but it's marked not in stock! :(
[10:08:04] <pcw_home> I'll check when I get in, I'm sure there are some around
[10:08:10] <ssi> thanks
[10:08:26] <ssi> I can make one if necessary
[10:22:36] <jdh> same as a motherboard idc26 to pport db25?
[10:22:43] <ssi> probably
[10:39:52] <_methods> anybody built a linuxcnc box lately with a new mobo?
[10:40:17] <_methods> i need to build another box for a mill and was thinkin about just buyin a new rig
[10:40:35] <_methods> instead of doing my usual scrounge it up
[10:41:36] <ssi> I usually just buy off-lease dell low profile desktops from tigerdirect
[10:41:40] <ssi> $150-200 apiece, and they work great
[10:42:13] <_methods> that sounds good
[10:43:28] <_abc_> Hello. Does anyone have a linuxcnc config for those simple parallel port 3 and 4ch Toshiba 6600 and 6560 boards sold on ebay? These two kinds of boards are different.
[10:43:59] <_methods> pretty sure the linuxcnc wiki has them on there
[10:44:16] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
[10:44:58] <_methods> hmm not seein them on there
[10:45:09] <_methods> oh nm
[10:45:12] <_methods> first board at the top
[10:45:23] <_abc_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560 this seems to be one board
[10:45:28] <_methods> yea
[10:45:41] <_methods> its a very common board
[10:45:52] <_methods> univerally regarded as a POS
[10:46:14] <_methods> i've never used one myself but i have seen many stories about them
[10:47:23] <_abc_> Well this is what they sell on ebay and lots of gullible people buy
[10:47:28] <_abc_> See the info on the mods there.
[10:47:30] <_methods> yeah i now they work
[10:47:37] <_methods> lots of people use them
[10:47:37] <_abc_> They work very slowly.
[10:48:07] <_methods> s/now/know
[10:52:18] <_methods> hehe use it till it blows up then buy a real board from mesa
[10:52:37] <_abc_> Those are Mesa board clones?
[10:52:41] <_methods> no
[10:52:52] <_methods> i'm not sure who they cloned on those
[10:53:08] <_methods> i'm sure someone in here might know
[10:53:20] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572
[10:53:21] <pcw_home> look hard to beat for a used computer for Linuxcnc
[10:53:42] <_methods> wow $39
[10:53:50] <_methods> yeah free shipping too lol
[10:54:00] <ssi> hah yeah
[10:54:02] <ssi> get two
[10:54:08] <pcw_home> no hdd
[10:54:14] <ssi> cheap ssd
[10:54:31] <_methods> i have 2 64gb ssds in my drawer
[10:54:34] <_methods> hmm
[10:54:48] <JT-Shop> crumb, sheetcam fails to generate my dog turd profile
[10:55:12] <_abc_> Does it only do human turds?
[10:55:13] <JT-Shop> I guess it don't like polylines
[10:55:22] <_methods> no one likes poly lines
[10:55:24] <JT-Shop> this is my first turd
[10:55:29] * _abc_ can't unsee Tom Cruise's gold gilded turd from his daughter.
[10:55:35] <ssi> lol I just bought two of those dc7800s
[10:55:45] <JT-Shop> this is a septic tank cleanout marker
[10:55:49] <_methods> bastard
[10:55:53] <_methods> save some for me lol
[10:55:55] <ssi> haha there's plenty
[10:56:01] <ssi> but hurry ;)
[10:56:11] <_abc_> What's a dc7800 please?
[10:56:18] <ssi> a computer
[10:57:38] <_methods> heheh
[10:58:37] <_methods> man $39 + free shipping
[10:58:38] <_methods> score
[11:00:19] <miss0r|shop> I have 2x dc7800p laying around
[11:00:27] <miss0r|shop> I never managed to get them stable with windows XP :-/
[11:01:41] <pcw_home> easily solved
[11:01:43] <_methods> windows.........
[11:02:01] <JT-Shop> oh well, onecnc created the G code path and now I just have to add the start code
[11:02:26] <miss0r|shop> well, the problem is my CAMM-3 mill here - it needs to be handled as a printer with a kernel-mode driver
[11:02:43] <_methods> ahhh
[11:02:52] <_methods> is that one of those pcb mills
[11:03:12] <miss0r|shop> it's a camm-3 PNC-3100. it does it all. even aluminum if you don't run it too hard
[11:03:32] <_methods> oh wild
[11:03:41] <_methods> that thing looks crazy
[11:03:59] <_methods> what's with the single tslot lol
[11:04:16] <miss0r|shop> I got it for next to nothing 1500USD.. It used to be something like 30K usd back in the day
[11:04:27] <_methods> looks pretty solid
[11:04:42] <_methods> but damn 1 tslot
[11:04:50] <_methods> that's just cruel
[11:04:58] <miss0r|shop> It is. I am looking into buying a 'mod-chip' for it, so it can be used with linuxcnc
[11:05:13] <_methods> i guess you just throw a sub plate on there
[11:05:15] <ssi> it's cute
[11:05:35] <miss0r|shop> theres a ready made one, I can buy on a forum for camm-3 owners. but noone knows if it only works with the pnc-3000 model
[11:06:22] <miss0r|shop> _methods: At the moment I am milling an aluminum bracket for my arboga mill cnc convertion - doing that with a vise. Regularly I have a vacuum table bolted on there
[11:07:16] <_methods> definitely cool
[11:07:31] <_methods> except for the whole stuck with brother software thing
[11:07:38] <miss0r|shop> it would be sweeter if I could use linuxCNC with it. the software for this (Modela Player 4) is somewhat limited
[11:08:00] <ssi> you can convert anything
[11:08:04] <_methods> yeah
[11:08:08] <ssi> depending on how willing you are to hack :)
[11:08:47] <miss0r|shop> indeed. forexample, I can't do that 'spiral-doown' movement with this software. I don't know the english term for this
[11:08:58] <_methods> helical bore
[11:09:05] <_methods> helical interpolation
[11:09:18] <miss0r|shop> indeed. That is not an option. which means it just plunges the mill down
[11:09:38] <miss0r|shop> in other words: I have set all z-movement painfully slow
[11:11:00] <miss0r|shop> I was amazed when I took it apart for lubrication when I bought it. The Z linear rold are 50mm in diameter!
[11:11:11] <miss0r|shop> rods*
[11:11:22] <_methods> yeah looks like a solid build
[11:11:36] <_methods> does it use servos?
[11:11:47] <miss0r|shop> too bad they totally discontinued this series
[11:11:57] <miss0r|shop> no, steppers
[11:12:01] <_methods> ahh
[11:12:39] <_methods> wow here's your WTF for the day
[11:12:42] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lygdoU7nA&feature=youtu.be
[11:12:56] <_methods> too cold outside
[11:13:00] <_methods> put a stove on your back
[11:13:11] <miss0r|shop> like right now: The modela player software takes .dxf files. At the moment I can see it decided not to do one of the paths specified! I will have to do that manualy afterwards :-/
[11:13:38] <miss0r|shop> _methods: looks comfy :D
[11:13:47] <_methods> looks insane
[11:14:06] <miss0r|shop> I wouldn't want to be fishing down wind from this guy
[11:14:18] <archivist> ready smoked fish
[11:14:43] <miss0r|shop> I might pour something realy flammable down his exhaust pipe :D
[11:14:49] <_methods> i thought us americans had the stupid market cornered
[11:15:09] <miss0r|shop> ... you haven't watched alot of russian videos online, have you? :D
[11:15:17] <_methods> hahah yeah
[11:15:45] <miss0r|shop> i'm sorry, but the russians are about to run off with the title formerly owned by the americans
[11:16:04] <miss0r|shop> with a twist of insanity
[11:16:44] <_methods> no kidding
[11:21:09] <miss0r|shop> _methods: What I am milling right now: http://picpaste.com/pics/DSC_0050-U65PqS1Q.1424710809.JPG
[11:22:04] <miss0r|shop> and some parts I milled on it yesterday: http://picpaste.com/pics/DSC_0051-mA7bMEqY.1424710863.JPG
[11:22:17] <miss0r|shop> not including the belt gears and bearings ofc. ;)
[11:25:34] <CaptHindsight> _methods: Soviet era pocket warmer
[11:28:07] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the skits about CCCP1 TV that SCTV used to do
[11:40:17] <marmite> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15996745/ferretmynt.jpg iam currently milling this
[11:40:49] <miss0r|shop> marmite: what it is :D
[11:40:57] <marmite> price for a thing :D
[11:41:03] <marmite> ferret on the pic
[11:41:34] <miss0r|shop> cool. When I'm done with my CNC convertion here I am going to be milling the sh*t out of alot of stuff :) stuff like that included
[11:44:43] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that is one tough crazy russian that REALLY wants to be warm LOL.
[11:50:18] <marmite> sweet :D
[11:50:22] <marmite> what are you converting
[11:50:59] <miss0r|shop> heart pounding! 1 2,5 meter long 30mm diameter aluminum rod just decided to fall to the floor behind me (And I am standing with hearing protection on next to the mill)
[11:51:25] <miss0r|shop> I damn near shat my slev!
[11:51:55] <marmite> hahahahhaha :D fuck
[11:52:05] <marmite> better change those pants
[11:52:27] <miss0r|shop> yeah no kidding
[11:53:53] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have had that happen to me before while working in the shop... I don't usually wear hearing protection but when the mill is running it is somewhat noisy. Then something falls off a shelf or a piece of metal I propped up somewhere falls down flat onto the concrete floor is enough to make you think a bomb went off or something hehe
[11:54:47] <miss0r|shop> Indeed. and I have my back to the entrance :) (Not that I am jumpy or anything) But I do live somewhat out in the middle of nowhere
[11:58:32] <_methods> wow snow in texas
[11:58:50] <_methods> very glad it's 60 here hehe
[11:59:13] <marmite> snowing and -2 celcius here
[11:59:28] <miss0r|shop> sounds nice. I have around -2 -3. and a bit of snow
[11:59:38] <miss0r|shop> I have a wood stove in the shop here, does the trick :)
[12:00:59] <miss0r|shop> marmite: Where are you from?
[12:01:22] <marmite> sweden!
[12:01:23] <marmite> and you?
[12:01:28] <miss0r|shop> Denmark!
[12:01:34] <marmite> awsome!
[12:01:38] <miss0r|shop> I thought it was mostly americans in here
[12:01:43] <marmite> mostly yes
[12:01:50] <PetefromTn_> nice and shitty and rainy here this morning. Not as cold tho probably in 40's F.
[12:02:08] <miss0r|shop> marmite: Where in Sweden, if you don't mind me asking?
[12:02:19] <marmite> enköping like 50km from stockholm
[12:02:39] <_methods> is that where they have that huge lan party
[12:02:47] <marmite> nah thats jönköping
[12:02:53] <_methods> oh heheh
[12:02:54] <marmite> enköping is the home of bacho
[12:02:55] <marmite> ^^
[12:02:58] <_methods> just remember the kopin part
[12:03:01] <marmite> ahh
[12:03:39] <miss0r|shop> hehe. I had to use a map to locate it :)
[12:03:47] <marmite> yeah i understand that
[12:04:31] <miss0r|shop> and I must've slept through geography back in school.
[12:04:43] <marmite> :P
[12:09:44] <miss0r|shop> marmite: it's been a while since I did anything but just drive through sweden to get to Bornholm: is the swedish liqour still only available in thoes "system pola... something" ?
[12:09:58] <marmite> yeah sorry to say that :/
[12:10:01] <marmite> or germany :D
[12:10:06] <marmite> that what i do :D
[12:10:12] <marmite> drive thrue denmark to rödeby
[12:10:13] <miss0r|shop> indeed. Swedens liqour store
[12:10:19] <marmite> fairy to germany and purtgard
[12:10:53] <miss0r|shop> indeed. I go there my slev once in a while. Usualy I would stack up on soda, but now they are cheap in denmark when on discount.. which is almost always
[12:11:02] <marmite> sweet :D
[12:11:05] <marmite> denmark has foxi kondi
[12:11:07] <marmite> fav soda
[12:11:13] <miss0r|shop> Mine also :)
[12:11:18] <marmite> sweet!
[12:11:29] <miss0r|shop> Regular price for 1,5L faxe kondi is 10kr on discount
[12:12:47] <marmite> not bad
[12:12:57] <marmite> what about the faxe kondi energi drink?
[12:13:22] <miss0r|shop> I don't know. I haven't tried it - isn't it just like faxe kondi without the boubles?
[12:20:51] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7X9X8LTe0 Pretty cool wood stove
[12:23:47] <miss0r|shop> PetefromTn_: sweet
[12:23:50] <miss0r|shop> I want one
[12:24:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.. that thing is pretty simple
[12:25:59] <zeeshan> hey guys
[12:26:02] <zeeshan> i still cant figure this out
[12:26:13] <zeeshan> the most precise way to measure this ball groove seat location
[12:26:25] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/1i0biX1.png
[12:26:32] <zeeshan> to the right of the orange thing
[12:29:06] <ssi> ball groove
[12:29:40] <_methods> you should be able to do it with a depth mic
[12:30:04] <zeeshan> depth mic is
[12:30:11] <zeeshan> |__| at the tip
[12:30:15] <_methods> a depth micrometer
[12:30:17] <zeeshan> at least mine is
[12:30:23] <_methods> lol
[12:30:29] <_methods> you think that's the only tip for a depth mic
[12:30:34] <zeeshan> for mine yea
[12:30:36] <ssi> haha
[12:30:39] <zeeshan> i have 3 of em!
[12:30:40] <zeeshan> :P
[12:30:40] <_methods> you can replace the shaft
[12:30:42] <zeeshan> theyre all square
[12:30:49] <ssi> replace the shaft so you can measure your ball groove
[12:30:53] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can rin a dial indicator across it
[12:30:58] <zeeshan> i have a confident bore measurement
[12:31:15] <_methods> google groove depth mic maybe.........
[12:31:39] <PetefromTn_> not sure exactly what you are measuring but it looks like a dial bore gauge would work no?
[12:31:52] <_methods> he wants to measure dist to groove
[12:31:58] <zeeshan> im trying to measure the lengthwise distance
[12:31:58] <zeeshan> to groove
[12:32:12] <PetefromTn_> oh I thought you wanted diameter in bottom of groove
[12:32:17] <zeeshan> its a partial 6.2 mm diameter arc
[12:32:28] <zeeshan> i have that already
[12:32:32] <zeeshan> i used a 6.2mm ball bearing
[12:32:33] <_methods> you could also put a pin guage in there and measure down to it
[12:32:38] <zeeshan> and measured relative to that
[12:32:39] <_methods> or a jo block
[12:32:41] <ssi> hold a ball of known diameter in the groove and take a depth measurement to the ball
[12:32:52] <ssi> then add the radius of the ball
[12:32:58] <_methods> any number of ways to measure that
[12:32:59] <zeeshan> ssi: why didnt i think of that
[12:33:02] <zeeshan> thats a good idea
[12:33:03] <zeeshan> haha
[12:33:07] <ssi> because you're in canada and your brain is frozen
[12:33:09] <zeeshan> haha
[12:33:38] <zeeshan> looks like ill be making this cylinder from scratch
[12:33:44] <ssi> superfun
[12:33:45] <zeeshan> i got a quote for hard chrome plating
[12:33:47] <_methods> much easier to measure to a jo block than a ball
[12:33:47] <zeeshan> $150
[12:33:48] <zeeshan> not bad
[12:33:59] <zeeshan> how is a joe block going to fit inthere?
[12:34:07] <_methods> nm
[12:35:06] <_methods> lol
[12:35:33] <zeeshan> fak so much to do!
[12:35:48] <ssi> inorite
[12:35:57] <ssi> hopedfully I'll have the plasma table operational by midweek
[12:36:01] <ssi> then it's on to the HNC
[12:36:05] <zeeshan> you have thc on that?
[12:36:09] <ssi> yuh
[12:36:12] <zeeshan> fancy
[12:36:14] <zeeshan> you build the frame?
[12:36:18] <ssi> yuh
[12:36:21] <zeeshan> nice
[12:36:29] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-aodrIIIAAxIZv.jpg:large
[12:36:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cylinders-Valves-UFC-2100-Hydraulic-Actuator-/161050910891 this might work
[12:37:17] <zeeshan> nice ssi
[12:37:31] <zeeshan> i like your enclosure
[12:37:32] <zeeshan> haha
[12:37:34] <ssi> :D
[12:37:35] <_methods> one of our customers just got one of those sabre plasma tables
[12:37:39] <ssi> I made that saturday
[12:37:41] <zeeshan> is that a g540 i see?
[12:37:44] <ssi> yeah
[12:37:45] <_methods> he said i could go down there and copy it
[12:37:49] <_methods> plasma/router table
[12:37:51] <ssi> that machine is the very first one I built
[12:37:52] <zeeshan> i see some mesa hardware too
[12:37:57] <ssi> it originally was G540 and mach
[12:38:02] <zeeshan> MACH
[12:38:03] <ssi> and a candcnc thc
[12:38:11] <ssi> yeah mach because of the thc
[12:38:24] <zeeshan> write a userspace comp
[12:38:24] <zeeshan> :p
[12:38:27] <ssi> then I redid it with 5i25 and mesa thcad
[12:38:41] <ssi> and a mesa io breakout for limits and io
[12:38:41] <_methods> that sabre is a decent built machine
[12:38:44] <zeeshan> whats that big ass green thing
[12:38:45] <ssi> and ohmic sensing
[12:38:47] <zeeshan> that monitor is sitting on
[12:38:53] <ssi> it's a diacro VT-19 NC punch press :D
[12:38:57] <ssi> well, the control cabinet for it
[12:39:05] <zeeshan> you has a punch press
[12:39:06] <zeeshan> wtF
[12:39:13] <ssi> it's not technically mine
[12:40:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cylval.com/bore-cylinder-2100-series-universal-front-mount-p-255-l-en.html
[12:40:20] <zeeshan> apt
[12:40:20] <zeeshan> capt
[12:40:25] <zeeshan> i need to put all that wedge action shit inthere
[12:40:50] <zeeshan> also i'd like to get some experience in building this sort of stuff
[12:40:52] <zeeshan> never done it before
[12:44:41] <marmite> miss0r|shop: kinda but with some energi stuffs
[12:45:23] <membiblio> Good Afternoon.
[12:46:34] <_methods> hello
[12:47:31] <membiblio> I have a Routech 250 that I would like to run with LinuxCNC and am looking for information to accomplish this.
[12:49:03] <membiblio> The Routech 250 contains a num1040W that I will probably rip out and many Yaskawa Servopack SGDB-20VD and 15VD that operate on a rs485 bus and a couple of Frenic5000G9S for running the bits.
[12:50:08] <membiblio> How do I tell LinuxCNC to control one of the ServoPack Xvd's over the 485 bus?
[12:50:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UEaiefYhA 3D printed dishwasher - Not
[12:52:25] <Rab> Design students should be flogged!
[12:54:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150220-an-all-in-one-cnc-3d-printing-and-laser-engraving-machine-launches-on-kickstarter.html ok now people are just taking Chinese routers and making kickstarter projects with them
[12:56:02] <Rab> http://www.3ders.org/images2014/the-make-anything-piranha-fx-launches-on-kickstarter-4.jpg
[12:56:15] <pcw_home> Pretty sure those Yaskawa drives do step/dir and probably analog velocity mode
[12:56:17] <Rab> nice work surface
[12:56:36] <zeeshan> lol
[12:56:47] <CaptHindsight> thats industrial cardboard
[12:57:11] <_methods> make anything...........as long as it's plastic or plywood lol
[12:57:27] <CaptHindsight> anyone recognize the software used?
[12:57:44] <_methods> that looks like some 3d printer trash on the laptop
[12:58:23] <CaptHindsight> lets do a Linuxcnc kickstarter and use the profits for a big party
[12:58:29] <_methods> hahaha
[12:58:47] <CaptHindsight> or fund RTAI, premmt_rt etc
[12:59:21] <CaptHindsight> $3k with all the options
[12:59:21] <_methods> that is so genius, take off the shelf cheap engraver and create kickstarter
[12:59:46] <_methods> just add paint
[12:59:57] <CaptHindsight> maybe he takes them like I did and has them anodized
[12:59:59] <_methods> and seemingly catchy name
[13:00:08] <CaptHindsight> is that one painted?!
[13:00:14] <_methods> no idea
[13:00:31] <_methods> tiger make anything machine
[13:00:41] <_methods> tiger DX2000
[13:01:07] <CaptHindsight> lets see what his BOM is...
[13:01:09] <Rab> The gantry looks like black plastic. I hope the bed is anodized, not painted.
[13:01:10] <_methods> and it's big brother the king cobra dx300000
[13:02:26] <_methods> freed from teh slave markets of china to unleash your filament fetish fantasies upon the world
[13:02:36] <CaptHindsight> 3-axis stage $500, router $100, Laser $100, probe $50, controller $200 max = ~$1K
[13:03:00] <CaptHindsight> oh forgot the extruder $50
[13:03:07] <_methods> you can't forget that
[13:03:13] <_methods> that's the most important part
[13:03:14] <Rab> "Whether you want to carve in wood, aluminum, soft metal or plastic"
[13:03:31] <Rab> ...Lead?
[13:03:36] <CaptHindsight> butter, cheese, chocolate etc
[13:03:39] <_methods> hahah
[13:03:57] <_methods> use the glittery lead dust for other arts and craft projects
[13:04:06] <_methods> or just eat it
[13:04:15] <CaptHindsight> not a bad project since he makes >100% profit
[13:04:37] <CaptHindsight> for doing not much more than bundling the parts in one box/kit
[13:05:14] <CaptHindsight> for $100 more it could be 2x the size
[13:06:29] <CaptHindsight> looks like the t-slot was anodized and then cut since the ends are not finished
[13:06:52] <Rab> They show a bigger one in the background of one pic.
[13:07:15] <CaptHindsight> http://shop.nextwaveautomation.com/shop/ the co behind it
[13:08:02] <CaptHindsight> software http://shop.nextwaveautomation.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=3
[13:08:49] <CaptHindsight> they sell plugins separately for dovetails and hole patterns
[13:13:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc with controller for $1k
[13:14:13] <CaptHindsight> just needs laser, touch probe and extruder
[13:22:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/touch-and-tool-probe-quarter-inch-shaft $135 touch probe
[13:23:41] <unfy> interesting
[13:29:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Good-cooling-1W-808nm-IR-laser-module-focusable-burning-Laser-/231254129898 1W 808nm laser $100
[13:30:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusable-Adjustable-2-4W-2400mW-808nm-810nm-IR-Infrared-Laser-Diode-Module-LD-/110887329735 2.4W for ~$200
[13:31:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GT8S-Extruder-Nema-17-Stepper-Motor-Metal-J-head-hotend-Prusa-Mendel-3D-printer-/201293607731 $50 extruder and nozzle
[13:33:29] <PetefromTn_> LOL I can't tell if you are mockin' him or supporting him hehe.... Looks like just another chinese CNC router to me man.
[13:33:37] <Rab> "$51.00 Reserve not met"...looks more like $150 for that extruder.
[13:34:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Geeetech-Dual-head-Metal-Aluminum-extruder-Hotend-V2-0-0-3mm-nozzle-Reprap-3D-/281539573158 $100 for a dual
[13:34:43] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I am putting together a competing and superior product
[13:34:43] <PetefromTn_> what would you use a dual one for? I know shit about 3d printing...
[13:35:07] <CaptHindsight> two different filament types
[13:35:10] <renesis> prob to not have to change out filaments
[13:35:20] <PetefromTn_> then It's probably NOT the best idea to send traffic to the competitions websites LOL..
[13:36:40] <PetefromTn_> before long everyone and their brothers cousin will have a little POS chinese CNC router in the kitchen hehe. Printing all manner of stupid shit it's a revolution!!
[13:38:06] <Rab> If you order the china stuff, wait for the slow boat, test that it's working, then box it up and send it to domestic buyers, I'd say that you might legitimately be doubling the value to a lot of people. ;)
[13:38:44] <CaptHindsight> Rab: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/ stocks most of it near me
[13:38:55] <CaptHindsight> I should help him bundle this stuff
[13:40:15] <Rab> They might have a pretty large QC reject bin, could be gold.
[13:40:44] <CaptHindsight> he doesn't have a machine shop
[13:41:14] <CaptHindsight> the labor to rebuild them is more than the cost of the machines
[13:41:21] <PetefromTn_> I would be curious to see what your version of it looks like Captain. I am sure it will be better as from what I hear of these chinese ones that would not be hard to do...
[13:41:27] <CaptHindsight> well unless we find a trainable monkey
[13:41:57] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did you see my chinese table rebuild?
[13:42:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw a photo or two sounded like a complete teardown and redesign no?
[13:42:26] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[13:42:46] <CaptHindsight> they just don't bother fixing the ballscrews
[13:42:50] <PetefromTn_> I must say that the guys videos are quite polished.
[13:43:08] <PetefromTn_> He almost had me sold LOL
[13:43:11] <CaptHindsight> and they don't mind using "red oxide" treated fasteners
[13:43:40] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am doing it wrong....
[13:43:54] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to buy some chinese junk and fix it up and resell it here..
[13:44:16] <PetefromTn_> Lord knows I have enough trouble finding customers as it is hehe
[13:44:53] <CaptHindsight> looks like bundling it all in one box is the way to go
[13:45:18] <PetefromTn_> It slices, it Dices, It Juliennes!!
[13:45:32] <CaptHindsight> include that $40 Intel box with Linuxcnc installed
[13:46:17] <CaptHindsight> and $60 19" LCD
[13:47:29] <Connor> CaptHindsight: I didn't see it.
[13:47:48] <CaptHindsight> Connor: what didn't you see?
[13:48:02] <Connor> (02:21:13 PM) CaptHindsight: PetefromTn_: did you see my chinese table rebuild?
[13:50:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc turn this into ..
[13:50:45] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfx640QhFQt
[13:51:10] <Connor> So, what all did you do ?
[13:51:55] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfxYmtiVBf6 complete rebuild, there was ~2mm lash on all axis
[13:52:09] <CaptHindsight> ballscrews were not fixed
[13:52:22] <Connor> yea, Was it already black ?
[13:52:32] <CaptHindsight> they cut the screws short so I had to shim them
[13:52:38] <Connor> It looks different than the other one.. different profile on the gantry
[13:52:42] <CaptHindsight> no I anodized most of it as well
[13:54:10] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfyNModSxeR side by side
[13:55:01] <PetefromTn_> how much better would you say is the improved version?
[13:55:16] <CaptHindsight> no measurable lash
[13:55:37] <CaptHindsight> and now square
[13:56:14] <PetefromTn_> what kind of rigidity are you getting from the gantry design? what are you using the machine for?
[13:56:26] <Connor> any pictures of the ballscrew changes ?
[13:56:38] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sfz7t5OV7eL before
[13:57:11] <CaptHindsight> you could grab the gantry and slide it ~2mm out of the box
[13:57:45] <CaptHindsight> the coupling provided some spring pressure axially on the screw
[13:57:53] <LeelooMinai> Was it even worth buying it and modifying instead building from scratch?
[13:58:09] <Connor> They could of at least put 1 set of AC bearings on the far side and used the coupler + stepper motor on the other to support it.. (free floating)
[13:58:11] <CaptHindsight> well it was local and I wanted to see
[13:58:37] <PetefromTn_> Oh so this was an automation direct machine then?
[13:58:59] <CaptHindsight> yes, was a $600 special
[13:59:11] <CaptHindsight> bought a few to try
[13:59:17] <CaptHindsight> all had similar issues
[13:59:37] <LeelooMinai> Maybe that's why it was "special" :)
[13:59:39] <Connor> So, what did you do on the ballscrew side of things ?
[13:59:57] <CaptHindsight> these were the 45cm x 30cm version
[14:00:42] <Connor> CaptHindsight: Was that the WORK envelope, or the footprint ?
[14:00:53] <CaptHindsight> work XY
[14:01:10] <Connor> Damn, that's almost what mine is. Mine is 18x12
[14:01:29] <CaptHindsight> I think the Z is around 4-5 inches
[14:01:37] <Connor> Mine is 4.5
[14:01:48] <PetefromTn_> funny it looks bigger than that in the pictures.
[14:01:55] <Connor> 18" WIDE x 12" DEEP
[14:01:57] <CaptHindsight> at least the z had a 2mm pitch screw
[14:02:22] <Connor> Mine is 5mm pitch on Z, 10mm on X/Y
[14:02:22] <CaptHindsight> or was it 10mm XY and 5mm Z
[14:02:46] <Connor> That's probably what it is. that's what I did.
[14:03:02] <Connor> I went with 12mm supported rails though
[14:03:42] <CaptHindsight> still have one left
[14:05:10] <PetefromTn_> BRB...
[14:05:20] <CaptHindsight> the linear bearings were also crunchy
[14:05:34] <CaptHindsight> had to take them apart and clean + relube
[14:05:47] <Connor> Probably all the grit from the factory.
[14:06:06] <CaptHindsight> yeah, probably a dirt floor or storage area
[14:08:52] <jdh> I just got a tour of our co-located aircraft engine plant
[14:09:11] <jdh> tons of huge VMCs
[14:09:11] <Connor> co-located ?
[14:09:13] <_methods> sweet
[14:09:25] <_methods> pics?
[14:09:33] <jdh> same property as our plant
[14:10:10] <jdh> making turbines and associated parts
[14:10:39] <jdh> 5 axis milling of huge blade/disc assemblys
[14:11:08] <_methods> AAR?
[14:12:55] <Cromaglious> that's something I really need to do on the Creatorspace.us 3040 machine... rebuild the gantry to get more Z height and more z stroke.
[14:13:12] <_methods> or spirit?
[14:19:33] <_methods> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-tech-20150222-story.html#page=1
[14:19:45] <_methods> hahah i thought there were no women in the tech industry
[14:19:53] <_methods> how can they be leaving in droves now
[14:26:27] <_methods> if they would just finally classify the porn industry as the tech industry it is they could even out their male to female ratio
[14:26:34] <ssi> hah
[14:27:02] <_methods> haha win win scenario
[14:34:44] <ssi> hurry up airplane loan people!
[14:34:48] <ssi> D:
[14:57:12] <jdh> never borrow money for a hobby
[14:57:42] <jdh> only for housing and world class hookers
[15:24:10] <Cromaglious> trying to find a specific font is not fun
[15:33:05] <_methods> no fonts are a nightmare
[15:36:19] <MrSunshine_> to install or on the computer ?
[15:36:41] <_methods> to find
[15:36:59] <MrSunshine_> http://www.1001fonts.com/ i find that site quite usefull =)
[15:37:01] <_methods> if you're trying to find a matching font that someone has used and you don't know the font
[15:37:10] <_methods> can be a real nightmare
[15:37:26] <_methods> half the time they don't even know the font they used
[15:37:31] <_methods> and all they have now is a jpg
[15:37:58] <MrSunshine_> https://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
[15:38:09] <MrSunshine_> etc
[15:38:40] <_methods> hah cool
[15:39:04] <_methods> my god thanks for that
[15:39:06] <_methods> i had no idea
[15:40:37] <MrSunshine_> there is always someone else that has had the same problem and finaly gone bananas on the problem :P
[15:40:44] <_methods> indeed
[15:41:44] <MrSunshine_> like ive done the last days .. i wanted to be able to do waterline stuff in aspire ... so ive been writing lua bindings for opencamlib to be used with a lua script to interface to aspire to be able to make true waterline operations :P
[15:42:04] <MrSunshine_> not done yet but import of stls work and i can get the loops for the toolpaths out of lua atleast =)
[15:42:20] <_methods> yeah you won't find any free cam stuff that does waterline i'm pretty sure
[15:43:15] <MrSunshine_> i think you can do waterline in aspire .. using the roughing toolpath with some cleverness (adding base heights etc to the model) and a small stepdown =)
[15:43:34] <_methods> hehe pseudo pathing lol
[15:44:01] <MrSunshine_> sucks that they havent implemented waterline .. the 3d finnishing toolpath SUCKS at steep angles :/
[15:44:15] <MrSunshine_> works fine on shallow angles etc .. but angles thats like a degree or something it goes bonkers on
[15:44:23] <_methods> most cam packages have issues with steep angles
[15:44:32] <MrSunshine_> waterline methods should not have
[15:44:33] <_methods> real pain getting it set just right to deal with them
[15:44:44] <_methods> getting cut off angles set just right
[15:44:56] <_methods> and step downs
[15:45:45] <MrSunshine_> but "drop" cutting doesnt work nicley with steep angles
[15:46:05] <MrSunshine_> i think waterline would be the pathing strategy
[15:47:38] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> You around?
[15:47:59] <PCW> Yeah
[15:48:18] <moska1> hello
[15:48:22] <Nick001-shop> How do I get the firmware for 5i25 and 7i76
[15:49:21] <Jymmm> Send $10,000 USD to....
[15:49:59] <Nick001-shop> will you take Confederacy money
[15:50:19] <Jymmm> Thus why I said USD
[15:50:37] <Jymmm> Or your weight in gold
[15:50:54] <Nick001-shop> Confederacy was the US to some folks
[15:51:42] <Jymmm> Uh huh
[15:52:11] <_methods> the war of northern aggression as they like to call it down here
[15:52:30] <_methods> they're still kinda butt hurt about it too
[15:52:46] <cradek> the war that wasn't at all about slavery
[15:52:53] <moska1> PCW: you can give a recommendation to a servo drive
[15:52:55] <cradek> I thought they always called themselves the CSA
[15:52:58] <moska1> I want to buy a
[15:53:11] <_methods> yeah csa
[15:54:50] <PCW> Nick001-shop: if you got a 5i25 with a 7I76 it should have the correct firmware
[15:55:43] <moska1> 5i25+7i77
[15:57:12] <Nick001-shop> I'm not seeing it in stepcfg or package manager. The highest I see is 5i23
[15:59:26] <Nick001-shop> Or is it on the 5i25 itself and how do I load it?
[15:59:58] <micges> you must flash 5i25 with proper firmware
[16:00:10] <micges> find packet mesaflash
[16:03:24] <Nick001-shop> Keyboard hell - found it and installing it
[16:04:20] <Nick001-shop> I have to dl the file in support software? And then what?
[16:04:30] <micges> download zip file for it
[16:05:09] <micges> extract it and interesting bit file is in config/hostmot2/5i25_7i76x2.bit
[16:05:30] <Nick001-shop> did it on the win computer.
[16:05:46] <micges> then: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --write path/to/that/bitfile
[16:05:55] <micges> and power cycle pc
[16:07:21] <Deejay> gn8
[16:07:44] <moska1> can someone give a recommendation to a servo drive
[16:07:56] <moska1> please
[16:10:05] <Nick001-shop> Do I put the whole 5i25 dir on the stick and put the path to stick/configs/hostmot2
[16:10:06] <PetefromTn_> servos and drives are very specific to each other. It would be nearly impossible for someone to give you a recommendation to a servo drive without knowing a lot more about your system unless they just don't care about how it works for you hehe
[16:12:47] <micges> Nick001-shop: you can
[16:13:45] <micges> moska1: what do you need them for?
[16:14:11] <Nick001-shop> OK _ linix is still installing software from that command. It somehow picked up language packs
[16:16:02] <Nick001-shop> Linux
[16:23:19] <moska1> servo control
[16:23:53] <moska1> i have one very old parker
[16:24:27] <moska1> will change
[16:26:19] <moska1> oooooo ok
[16:28:10] <Nick001-shop> what is the path to a dir in desktop?
[16:28:35] <Jymmm> ~/Desktop/blah ?
[16:29:27] <Rab> moska1, what type of servos and encoders do you have?
[16:30:48] <moska1> the encoder is inside motor
[16:30:57] <Nick001-shop> not working -board not found
[16:31:08] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sgjbKMCxH0i
[16:31:47] <moska1> i have 50 V DC
[16:32:04] <moska1> for the drive
[16:33:04] <Rab> moska1, do you know what type of encoder output? Quadrature, resolver, etc?
[16:36:20] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sglNEChLN4y
[16:36:57] <Rab> Great, do you know the model or specs of the motors?
[16:37:15] <moska1> mom
[16:37:57] <Rab> dad?
[16:39:14] <moska1> momend
[16:39:24] <moska1> http://imagebin.ca/v/1sgmKEm6SrHd
[16:39:32] <moska1> :)
[16:40:14] <moska1> i havo nothing found about
[16:40:33] <moska1> the motors
[16:41:48] <moska1> the encoder works with 5i25 and 7i77
[16:43:19] <moska1> but the old parker drive not really
[16:45:44] <moska1> I think change
[16:46:03] <moska1> the parker
[16:46:19] <Rab> What's the model # of the Parker drive?
[16:47:10] <moska1> HFC / AX drive
[16:49:14] <moska1> http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/9nxrvW8q/file.html
[16:50:05] <moska1> this is only what I found
[16:52:53] <Rab> moska1, Advanced Motion Controls BE25A20 might be a reasonable workalike.
[16:53:08] <Rab> http://www.a-m-c.com/products/drives.html
[16:53:30] <Rab> I don't think that's a current production model, but you can pick it up on eBay for cheap.
[16:53:59] <Rab> If you want new drives, use AMC's site.
[16:55:57] <Rab> The Parker drive supports 24-100VDC 12A (24A max), BE25A20 is 40-190VDC 12.5A (25A max)...should be fine with motor voltage of 50V.
[16:55:59] <moska1> AMC ????
[16:56:09] <micges> Nick001-shop: does lspci show mesa board?
[16:56:53] <Rab> moska1, AMC = Advanced Motion Controls = www.a-m-c.com
[16:57:21] <moska1> sorry
[16:57:42] <moska1> my head smoked
[16:58:36] <Simonious> Is anyone able to tell me how CAMBAM stacks up vs VCARVEPro?
[17:00:45] <moska1> and thats works with 7i77
[17:02:25] <moska1> yes thanks
[17:02:50] <moska1> give me some light
[17:06:48] <moska1> my encoder have 3 channel
[17:19:53] <Nick001-shop> <micges> lspci shows it as the last card Device 2718:5i25. Got into the 5i25 manual and it has some into to try out. Back to the Linux box -)
[17:22:05] <Cromaglious> oh boi... I emailed a ebay seller about a bluetooth OBD2 cartridge they wave to see if it will work on my car using J1650 VPW protocol and they offer me a full refund
[17:22:22] <Cromaglious> I should have gotten the refund for something I haven't bought yet
[17:22:32] <JT-Shop> yea, the mail finally ran today
[17:22:38] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, steppers are in
[17:22:54] <Cromaglious> I got my live center today as well :)
[17:34:57] * furrywolf curls up in a sad wolfyball
[17:37:11] <furrywolf> argh, bbl
[18:02:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yay!
[18:03:49] <JT-Shop> yea, just got to wire them up and get the nerve to connect 24v to the ramps
[18:04:28] <JT-Shop> crap 40% chance of snow tonight
[18:05:03] <JT-Shop> next two days are sunny and above freezing... there may be hope
[18:05:43] <JT-Shop> still waiting on a UPS shipment
[18:05:49] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:05:53] <Tom_itx> it's just 24v
[18:06:04] <Tom_itx> not like it's 3phase mains
[18:06:24] <JT-Shop> 3phase mains are no problem, I understand them
[18:06:29] <Tom_itx> hah
[18:06:42] <JT-Shop> I don't understand all I don't know about the ramps yet
[18:07:52] <Tom_itx> there pretty straighforward i think
[18:12:37] <JT-Shop> I need to get some communications going on this computer (Wheezy) to do some testing. I have to cut the baud rate in half to use linux :(
[18:13:02] <JT-Shop> can you believe windoze is better at USB?
[18:15:27] <_methods> doesn't debian just have an iso? their website has like 3 dvd's?
[18:16:05] <_methods> nm found install image
[18:26:42] <Cromaglious> I have to save up my money to get a 3ph spindle and VFD
[19:02:50] <Nick001-shop> how do I use 5i25/7176 stepper cards with stepper XYZA configuration?
[19:08:40] <cpresser> Nick001-shop: start pncconf and follow the instructions.
[19:11:37] <Nick001-shop> pncconf is showing 5i20 card. Go with that one?
[19:13:25] <Nick001-shop> it also shows 7i33 daughter card
[19:15:31] <anarchos> What might cause my Y axis to be "out of sync" fairly consistantly (0.05-0.07 I'm estimating) per pass?
[19:16:00] <anarchos> it seems like if it was back lash it would be fairly random based on the amount of direction switches per pass
[19:24:28] <anarchos> http://i.imgur.com/sIgBy9D.jpg
[19:38:06] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: what are we seeing in the pic vs what you'd like to see?
[19:41:19] <anarchos> see how two of the three "arms" of the E are stepped?
[19:41:32] <anarchos> the third would be two but i manually milled it flush
[19:41:43] <anarchos> they "arms" of the E should be vertical...
[19:41:45] <CaptHindsight> you don't want the stepping?
[19:41:48] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[19:41:53] <Rab> Did you mill the bottom of the V too?
[19:41:58] <anarchos> no, that's my Y axis messing up
[19:42:08] <anarchos> Rab: yes
[19:42:48] <CaptHindsight> each Z pass is off by a bit in one direction. Is it off i the X or Y every time or noth?
[19:42:54] <CaptHindsight> noth both
[19:44:26] <anarchos> X seems dead on, the back of that E is dead flat (as well as the part of the E arms that are directly facing the camera)
[19:46:44] <Rab> It's not perfectly consistent. Looks like you might be losing steps.
[19:47:07] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: did you mill each pass for the E from the top down?
[19:47:15] <anarchos> yeah
[19:47:20] <anarchos> it was about 15 passes
[19:47:52] <CaptHindsight> how fast was the Y moving?
[19:48:48] <anarchos> slow, about 15ipm
[19:48:50] <anarchos> maybe 17
[19:49:06] <Rab> Is there a G0 rapid in each pass, or is it just cutting continuously?
[19:49:44] <anarchos> There's a couple rapids, yeah, but I had the max velocity down to the same as the cutting speed
[19:50:01] <Rab> hmmm
[19:50:27] <renesis> was it totally consistent everywhere?
[19:50:55] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't look consistent
[19:51:02] <renesis> like on each layer of Z, or was it broken up
[19:51:04] <Rab> Hard to tell from the photo if the outside faces of the V are sloped like the arms of the E.
[19:51:10] <renesis> it does per layer
[19:51:12] <CaptHindsight> some layers are more off than others
[19:51:24] <anarchos> it seems to be fairly consistant, except one layer was way more off than the others
[19:51:26] <renesis> right but the layers are the same on both arms of the E
[19:51:30] <anarchos> right in the middle
[19:51:31] <renesis> right
[19:52:06] <anarchos> but yeah, each of the 15 passes were exactly the same, just stepped down Z
[19:52:11] <renesis> so my guess would be during cut in
[19:52:40] <renesis> like, itd dropping to next z, and first movement its lugging
[19:53:27] <anarchos> I've also noticed this back when I was testing my machine with a pen in the spindle and it drawing on paper
[19:53:38] <renesis> if it was missing steps during profiling youd probably notice a weird spot in the path
[19:53:45] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[19:54:03] <CaptHindsight> so it does it without any cutting forces involved
[19:54:14] <renesis> anarchos: was z pluging near edges of the work table?
[19:54:58] <renesis> maybe ways or screw worn uneven
[19:55:02] <anarchos> so i don't think it has to do with a) my gcode (this was generated in HSMWorks (or "CAM Fusion" I guess) and I noticed the same issue when running the pen and paper and running the stock "LinuxCNC" gcode and b) cutting forces, due to it happening with pen and paper
[19:55:22] <renesis> yeah pen is unloaded
[19:55:36] <renesis> just leaves the machine
[19:56:01] <anarchos> yeah. :(
[19:56:07] <renesis> do circles at the end of the table at diff Z and see if you can get it to miss steps or lock
[19:56:19] <renesis> what machine?
[19:56:29] <anarchos> X2 w/ CNCFusion kit
[19:57:00] <anarchos> the pen and paper thing was happening when it was brand new, so i don't think the ballscrews wore unevenly (they might have came this way..)
[19:57:02] <renesis> can you manually turn the wheel?
[19:57:18] <renesis> right, so leaves the ways and gibs
[19:57:27] <anarchos> i do have dual shaft steppers, so in theory i could lock a pair of pliers and turn them that way
[19:57:34] <renesis> which is a good thing you can adjust gibs if its a binding problem
[19:57:45] <renesis> are they D shafts?
[19:57:51] <anarchos> yea i think
[19:57:54] <renesis> mine came with big goofy radioshack knobs
[19:58:04] <renesis> with set screws, work okay
[19:58:14] <renesis> you want more radius, but they worked well enough
[19:58:25] <renesis> see if you can feel a diff in tension between middle and end of the screw
[19:58:32] <anarchos> yeah they're D shafts
[19:58:37] <anarchos> ok, i'll give that a shot
[19:59:32] <renesis> if the job got close to the ends of the axis limits, expecially the one opposite of your home origin, my guess is it bound because of the leadscrew or gibs
[20:00:09] <renesis> if you never adjusted those, maybe now would be a good time, you maybe get more ipm after
[20:01:45] <anarchos2> i don't really feel any binding
[20:02:02] <anarchos2> hard to say because of the steps when turning
[20:02:07] <renesis> if you can grab the ends of the table and try and rotate it around thew z axis do you feel *any* play at all?
[20:02:35] <renesis> its powered up?
[20:03:20] <renesis> i guess mine feel steppy powered down
[20:03:29] <anarchos2> i've got it e-stopped
[20:03:34] <XXCoder> heys
[20:03:44] <anarchos2> but there is a slight amount of play when i grab that table and wiggle it back and forth
[20:03:46] <renesis> yeah itll fight steps if the drives are powered up
[20:04:09] <renesis> yeah so you prob want to try adjust the gibs
[20:05:21] <renesis> if it was happening new it might not be a worn table thing so you can maybe get things pretty tight across the travel
[20:06:26] <renesis> like, on my thing, looser gibs mean more ipm until things start binding
[20:09:32] <anarchos2> there's a very fine line on y gibs between loose and binding the table
[20:09:59] <renesis> is it consistent across travel tho?
[20:11:02] <renesis> i lean into the table while playing with it, too, try and simulate a cutting load
[20:11:29] <renesis> also what do you use for way oil?
[20:11:48] <renesis> my thing was way happier when i switched from lithium grease to vactra 2
[20:12:56] <renesis> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/72361-sieg-x2-gib-problem.html
[20:13:02] <anarchos2> i use just stuff made for bikes, no idea if it's good or bad
[20:13:05] <renesis> what this guy is describing would be frustrating
[20:13:12] <anarchos2> general purpose blue stuff, really.
[20:13:13] <renesis> kind of thick
[20:14:09] <renesis> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/45212-100772-mobil-no-2-vactra-2-way-oil.html
[20:14:13] <renesis> last you forever
[20:15:10] <renesis> its neat it sticks
[20:15:37] <renesis> like, ive watched chips hit vactra film on my z axis, and the chips slide down and fall off, the vactra just stays in place
[20:22:39] <anarchos> well I've got that adjusted now
[20:22:55] <anarchos> i think i need to bust out the pen and paper and some gcode that draws a box over and over
[20:28:54] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: do you lift and lower the Z after each pass?
[20:41:46] <anarchos> renesis, can't seem to find anywhere in Canada that sells vactra :/
[20:42:28] <zeeshan> doesnt exist
[20:42:32] <zeeshan> i couldnt find it either
[20:42:35] <zeeshan> i had to order from states
[20:42:38] <zeeshan> where abouts are you
[20:42:49] <zeeshan> commercial oil .ca
[20:42:53] <zeeshan> makes a waylube gold
[20:42:54] <zeeshan> #68
[20:43:00] <zeeshan> which is the same thing, if not better!
[20:43:05] <Tom_itx> yeah my bud used vactra on his stuff
[20:43:36] <anarchos> zeeshan: Whistler
[20:43:41] <zeeshan> oh
[20:43:42] <zeeshan> kbc has it.
[20:43:50] <anarchos> i tried looking there
[20:45:02] <anarchos> travers canada has 5 gal pails for $222 :P
[20:45:10] <zeeshan> i paid 65+ tax
[20:45:13] <zeeshan> for 5 gallons
[20:45:19] <zeeshan> waylube gold #68
[20:45:52] <anarchos> good stuff?
[20:45:59] <zeeshan> yea i compared it to vactra
[20:46:07] <zeeshan> and it has a lot more tackifiers
[20:46:21] <zeeshan> stickyy
[20:47:14] <anarchos> how much was shipping on a 5 gal?
[20:47:33] <zeeshan> oh its local to me
[20:47:35] <zeeshan> i picked it up
[20:47:43] <zeeshan> if i were you, id just call a local industrial supplier
[20:47:45] <zeeshan> they will carry it
[20:47:50] <zeeshan> and it wont be as expensive as travers
[20:48:01] <Tom_itx> yeah you'll pay for hazardous materials fees too
[20:48:04] <Tom_itx> if you ship it
[20:48:09] <anarchos> heh, i've got nothin' local :(
[20:48:13] <zeeshan> youre in bc
[20:48:18] <anarchos> maybe triton would carry it
[20:48:19] <zeeshan> you hjave a shit load of suppliers!
[20:48:29] <anarchos> i hate driving 2 hrs to the city to buy stuff, though :P
[20:48:38] <zeeshan> the main difference between vactra and regular iso68 oil
[20:48:42] <zeeshan> is its got tackifiers
[20:48:50] <zeeshan> which helps it stick to the ways
[20:48:54] <zeeshan> if you really cant find stuff
[20:49:05] <zeeshan> i'd just grab regular iso68 oiil which you can get at any store really
[20:49:30] <zeeshan> do you have a central lubricator
[20:49:34] <zeeshan> or manually lube?
[20:49:39] <anarchos> manual
[20:49:51] <zeeshan> ah then you really need way lube :P
[20:52:43] <anarchos> iso 68 oil is normally compressor oil?
[20:52:49] <zeeshan> no
[20:53:16] <anarchos> http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/compressor-oil-iso-grade-68-946-ml/6000111967255
[20:53:35] <anarchos> free shipping :P
[20:54:09] <zeeshan> iso68 is a bit confusing
[20:54:17] <zeeshan> from what i recall its like saying
[20:54:23] <zeeshan> 5w30 for car oils
[20:54:33] <zeeshan> (i dont remember the equivalent conversion, but just giving an example
[20:54:45] <zeeshan> what makes hydraulic oil and motor oil differnt is all the damn additivies
[20:54:58] <zeeshan> motor oil gets tons of water in it
[20:55:16] <zeeshan> so it needs to bind with additives and gtfo the oil
[20:55:20] <zeeshan> for example
[20:55:45] <zeeshan> so yea, iso68 doesnt mean much by itself
[20:55:54] <zeeshan> its just telling you the weight of the oil :P
[20:56:07] * zeeshan isnt an expert, consult your own info! :P
[20:58:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan where you at with your cylinder?
[20:58:55] <zeeshan> im get quotes on parts first
[20:59:03] <zeeshan> i got lucky, one of the guys im talking to is alumni from the same university
[20:59:05] <zeeshan> same program! :)
[21:01:04] <CaptHindsight> 3d models for laptop parts and peripherals are starting to go up on the github if anyone has use for them https://github.com/openlunchbox/openlaptop/tree/ernie/peripherals
[21:03:41] <anarchos> hmm, open source laptop design?
[21:08:38] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: yes
[21:18:59] <anarchos> cool.
[21:20:40] <bobo_> zeeshan: looks as if Anonimasu on Prat- Mach (http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/fix-your-maho-thread-270525/index14.html ) is having problems with his ott Jacob hydraulic cylinder
[21:21:49] <XXCoder> can always add coolant sprayer
[21:22:08] <XXCoder> mill I used today has that special coolant fluid (it says good for envorment)
[21:22:26] <XXCoder> and it uses air pressure to slowly spray liquid and lots air to part
[21:22:33] <XXCoder> sure keeps things nice and coo
[21:22:36] <XXCoder> cool
[21:25:11] <_methods> anyone ever get segfault from x11 when tryin to install from livecd?
[21:25:43] <anarchos> XXCoder: I'm building a fog buster knockoff. got pretty much all the parts I need in the mail today.
[21:27:31] <XXCoder> nice
[21:27:32] <CaptHindsight> Patent Lawsuits over crowdfunding sites http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/01/61834-details-emerge-on-patent-lawsuit-against-multiple-crowdfunding-plaforms-revealed/
[21:28:03] <CaptHindsight> website and software patents
[21:28:25] <anarchos> i just need to find some 1/8" ID aquarium tubing, which is proving harder than I imagined
[21:29:32] <XXCoder> anarchos: hobby store
[21:29:34] <CaptHindsight> anarchos: where are you located?
[21:29:39] <XXCoder> anywhere as long as not hobby lobby
[21:29:47] <XXCoder> fuck that store
[21:29:55] <CaptHindsight> hardware store or pet shop
[21:30:10] <anarchos> Whistler, BC.
[21:30:15] <XXCoder> pet shop is good but yeah hobby stores always has those hoses for fountains
[21:30:28] <anarchos> All actualy aquarium hoses seem to be 3/16 ID
[21:30:30] <CaptHindsight> rubber hose shop :)
[21:31:05] <CaptHindsight> in China thats what you would do, there would be a shop with just hose and line, new and used
[21:31:24] <anarchos> Shanghai is crazy like that.
[21:31:34] <anarchos> not even a hose shop, but a hose section of town
[21:31:38] <CaptHindsight> all the big town
[21:31:44] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[21:31:52] <XXCoder> lol
[21:32:23] <anarchos> i remember walking by like 10 stores in a row that only sold small ball valves that were under an inch or two in size
[21:32:41] <XXCoder> those stores has lots balls :P
[21:33:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sondors-electric-bike $3.5M for an electric bike
[21:33:35] <XXCoder> fat wheels
[21:33:46] <XXCoder> nonecludian picture
[21:34:42] <zeeshan> bobo_: maho drawbar looks very different
[21:36:35] <bobo_> yes but notice the latch up ---right side--is same as yours
[21:37:05] <bobo_> in that drawing
[21:42:43] * furrywolf curls back up in a sad wolfyball
[21:45:58] <PetefromTn_> Thats actually a pretty cool bike.
[21:46:06] <bobo_> cheer up-----full moon soon
[21:46:12] <zeeshan> ill check in a sec :P
[21:47:06] <furrywolf> bobo_: meh. I'm not very cheerable up right now.
[21:48:04] <_methods> hmm livecd didn't like me using an hdmi monitor
[21:48:20] <_methods> had to use the framebuffer/false flag to do install in txt mode
[21:49:36] <furrywolf> got one of those phone calls today that really sucks... pretty much my last older relative passed away.
[21:49:54] <XXCoder> oh that sucks
[21:50:05] <XXCoder> happened to me in 90s. so many family died :(
[21:50:50] <_methods> yeah man 2013 my aunt, my grandma and my dad all passed
[21:50:57] <_methods> shitty year
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> we all gotta die :/
[21:51:13] <zeeshan> death sux
[21:51:23] <zeeshan> die cncing my friends die cncing!
[21:51:23] <_methods> indeed
[21:51:35] <zeeshan> enjoy life while it lasts
[21:51:51] <zeeshan> i lost my brother in a bike crash
[21:51:55] <zeeshan> cousin in a car crash
[21:52:03] <zeeshan> they both died doing what they liked
[21:52:10] <zeeshan> hopefully i go out the same way
[21:52:19] <_methods> amen
[21:52:21] <XXCoder> my worse was when both grandfather and grandmother died within week of my birthday for 21st
[21:55:33] <_methods> was going to buy one of those $38 computers PCW linked to earlier today but i forgot i had a htpc i never use anymore thanks to chromecast
[21:55:41] <_methods> just going to use it for my mill
[21:56:00] <furrywolf> not sure what we're going to have for a service.... going to have to fly back to NJ.
[21:56:22] <zeeshan> furrywolf: how old?
[21:56:23] <furrywolf> which means my cnc budget, and every other budget, is vaporized instantly.
[21:56:25] <furrywolf> 89
[21:56:40] <zeeshan> machines can wait
[21:56:42] <zeeshan> life cant
[22:05:11] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, my condolences on your loss man
[22:05:31] <Cromaglious> I know how losing ones cnc budget feels
[22:06:26] <Cromaglious> My pops had a double bypass so I had to go up to see them and that wiped out my budget for months
[22:06:51] <Cromaglious> it was nice seeing my pops back up on his feet. too
[22:07:06] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: yea cnc budget isnt as important as family
[22:12:30] <bobo_> A person born in 1926 would have seen a amazing amount of changes . Hope the rate of good change increases
[22:23:41] <zeeshan> bobo_: werent you born in 1935
[22:23:43] <zeeshan> ;o
[22:23:46] <zeeshan> )
[22:24:18] <Cromaglious> wow sulfa drugs to antibiotics, switch boards to rotary to touch tone to cell phones, radio, tv, color tv, plasma, lcd tv's
[22:24:45] <_methods> what's the difference between base and rt in sources.list?
[22:24:46] <zeeshan> almost old enough
[22:24:50] <zeeshan> to see black people get rights :-)
[22:24:57] <zeeshan> thats an impressive life
[22:25:16] <Cromaglious> M-1 Garand didn't got accepted in 36, but it wasn't fully issued util late in the war
[22:26:25] <furrywolf> he liberated buchenwald, but I don't think he ever mentioned what weapons they had.
[22:26:38] <_methods> should 2.6-rt be uncommented?
[22:26:39] <Cromaglious> I remember the national guard passing us on the way to the watts riots... I was caught with my mum and brother behind the lines during a student take over at UC berkely
[22:26:49] <_methods> base is uncommented now in my sources.list
[22:26:58] <zeeshan> watts riots?
[22:27:16] <Cromaglious> City of Watts in the late 60s
[22:27:20] <zeeshan> the one after mlk got assissinated?
[22:27:24] <Cromaglious> before Rodney king
[22:27:35] <Cromaglious> yep
[22:27:47] <zeeshan> those were some dark times
[22:27:50] <Cromaglious> burn baby burn
[22:28:01] <zeeshan> at least they were rioting for a good reason
[22:28:05] <Cromaglious> so that was '68
[22:28:08] <zeeshan> now it's riots over criminals getting shots
[22:28:11] <zeeshan> *shot
[22:29:56] <furrywolf> the things he said about buchenwald weren't pretty... and apparantly no one believed them, so he had to show various members of the executive branch around to convince them, such as the building-size piles of rotting corpses...
[22:30:37] <Cromaglious> I'm falling asleep.... yesterday and saturday were long days... saturday night we got home at 2:30am and went back to riverside at 10am the next day
[22:34:23] <bobo_> zeeshan : 43 hatched
[22:34:54] <bobo_> zeeshan: 43 -----hatched
[22:35:47] <bobo_> sorry ---studdered
[22:52:00] <tjtr33> for those who wanna see the project, gCad3d can open those openlunchbox igs files ( native on linux )
[22:52:26] <Rab> Heh, I was just going to ask if anybody had heard of that.
[22:52:45] <CaptHindsight> also FreeCAD
[22:53:09] <Rab> I just installed gcad3d, and it loads the sample models, but segfaults on the openlaptop files.
[22:53:39] <tjtr33> ? i just opened each of them
[22:53:57] <Rab> It might be some issue with my system.
[22:54:10] <Rab> Have you used the CAM functionality?
[22:54:26] <tjtr33> ubu 10.04 gcad3d ver 2.141
[22:55:01] <tjtr33> no, just as a viewer. i really should learn more of these tools we have available
[22:55:35] <tjtr33> ( tj eyes the Xilinx IDE dvd on the desk )
[22:55:37] <Rab> gcad3d looks pretty complex.
[22:57:00] <Rab> Using 2.22 under Slackware 13.37, converted the .deb to .tgz.
[22:57:29] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, thx for the link to the openlunchbox stuff.
[22:57:44] <tjtr33> Rab, using 'alien' to convert?
[22:57:52] <Rab> deb2tgz
[22:58:21] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: http://openlunchbox.com/ http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php
[22:58:41] <tjtr33> hmmm really doesnt know how to handle dependancies if it xl8s deb to tgz
[22:58:59] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, so whats open printhead :)
[22:59:32] <CaptHindsight> inkjet
[22:59:53] <tjtr33> ah, not 3D print juju
[23:00:02] <CaptHindsight> can be
[23:00:10] <dirty_d> freecad has some issues
[23:00:13] <tjtr33> only for the likes of you ;)
[23:00:20] <tjtr33> ^^ Capt
[23:00:35] <renesis> is freecad the acad clone?
[23:00:45] <renesis> that shit works about as well as draftsight
[23:00:46] <CaptHindsight> I've never tried gCAD3D
[23:00:50] <furrywolf> dirty_d: agreed. I kept running into bugs and glitches, as well as not being able to do simple things.
[23:01:08] <renesis> ya kinda same
[23:01:28] <dirty_d> furrywolf, external geometry is so messed up
[23:01:59] <dirty_d> any time you edit a sketch it depends on, everything gets renamed
[23:11:18] <CaptHindsight> I just know that freecad can open iges files
[23:14:44] <dirty_d> i tried to see if there was any easy way to fix it in the code, nope
[23:14:53] <dirty_d> its due to the way opencascade works
[23:15:16] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: just FYI http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD131Xe.htm street price $587
[23:15:32] <dirty_d> shapes get rebuilt in a way that there is no way to have a refrence to a subshape that persists
[23:15:42] <CaptHindsight> a year ago any HD projector was $900+
[23:18:28] <XXCoder1> how is gcad3d
[23:23:08] <furrywolf> bbl sleep
[23:37:45] <XXCoder1> http://www.mattvenn.net/2014/10/07/drill-pic-gcode-generator-updated/
[23:37:47] <XXCoder1> interesting
[23:41:52] <Computer_Barf> XXCoder1: i would like to see pics of someones results
[23:42:09] <Computer_Barf> looks interesting for sure