#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-20

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[00:00:10] <zeeshan> connor do people come to you
[00:00:12] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: seen it. in conduit... usually just small enough to make sure you can't pull anything else in it.
[00:00:16] <zeeshan> to make websites?
[00:00:18] <PetefromTn_> my family and I BUILT homes in Florida I think I know a thing or two about it...
[00:00:20] <zeeshan> do you advertise locally or something?
[00:00:22] <XXCoder1> bobo_: bad because it promates mold or it is actually bad for mold - mold goes away?
[00:00:44] <Connor> They did. We're not taking on new clients now because of the wife. She's not able to work.. This was a existing client.
[00:00:51] <bobo_> kills most mold
[00:01:10] <furrywolf> I don't think I've ever met someone complaining about a moldy crawlspace. usually they don't mold, and if they do... don't live under your house?
[00:01:20] <PetefromTn_> but I see arguing with you is like wrestling with a pig in the mudd... you wind up dirty and the pig likes it..
[00:01:31] <PetefromTn_> You gotta be kidding me!!
[00:01:58] <PetefromTn_> They have quite a few companies here that SPECIALIZE in that removing mold and sealing up the damn crawlspaces
[00:01:59] <Connor> bobo_: Yea, we have one.. but the ozone was giving wife head-ach..
[00:02:15] <PetefromTn_> it is a HUGE problem
[00:02:18] <furrywolf> yes, there's lots of companies specializing in taking your money. :P
[00:02:30] <Connor> furrywolf: It was in our ductwork. causing our kitchen floor to give way and all other things..
[00:02:44] <PetefromTn_> no there are lots of companies that are making momey trying to FIX the mold and other problems in crawlspaces...
[00:02:45] <furrywolf> most crawlspaces here are dry and dusty... and I can't imagine any areas worse for moisture and high water levels...
[00:03:06] <Connor> furrywolf: You don't live in Tennessee
[00:03:09] <furrywolf> I've seen wet crawlspaces, but it's usually due to bad drainage around the house.
[00:03:17] <PetefromTn_> Personally I have never been in a crawlspace that was dry and dusty..
[00:03:29] <Connor> This was due to condensation from the HVAC
[00:03:42] <furrywolf> Connor: I live in the pacific northwet. some areas here get over 200" of rain a year. our trees get 50% of their moisture from the constant fog.
[00:04:17] <furrywolf> hvac... most people here only have H and V. AC is rare. :)
[00:04:49] <furrywolf> probably 25% of houses have no hvac of any kind, just a woodstove.
[00:04:56] <Connor> And... that's my point. Hot + Humid under house = Mold. 60% or better and you have a mold issue.
[00:05:35] <furrywolf> I've been in a couple hundred crawlspaces, and never complained about mold. I hate muddy ones with <8" of clearance, though. wiggling around on your stomach with your head turned sideways because it doesn't fit if you turn it straight...
[00:05:38] <Connor> anyway.. $30k later.. still redoing the kitchen and will need to order counter tops.
[00:05:53] <furrywolf> it's quite humid here. but not hot.
[00:06:18] <Connor> OKay, I'm done.
[00:06:42] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[00:06:45] <furrywolf> if you're going to build a crawlspace, build it so all parts have at least 12" of clearance. otherwise you're just making people's lives harder. :)
[00:06:46] <zeeshan> first two links working
[00:06:50] <zeeshan> about and resume :D
[00:07:21] <PetefromTn_> when we do cabinet installations we often have to work with contractors and wind up going into crawlspaces a lot around here.. Even in brand new houses they are usually pretty cold and damp
[00:07:23] <furrywolf> I'd love a basement, but they just don't work here. I'm not aware of any residence with one.
[00:07:36] <zeeshan> furrywolf: where are you again
[00:07:40] <zeeshan> cali?
[00:08:00] <Connor> zeeshan: Photos are better as JPG unless you need transparent background. pngs are good for vector and sprities and icons and stuff.. FYI.
[00:08:02] <furrywolf> zeeshan: far northern california coast. in terms of climate, think southern oregon, not what people normally think of when they hear california.
[00:08:29] <zeeshan> Connor: space wise?
[00:08:39] <furrywolf> we do not have sunny hot days. hot is 65F+, and sun is a rare treat. heh.
[00:08:49] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:08:54] <zeeshan> at least its still not -32 F
[00:08:56] <zeeshan> so fu
[00:08:57] <Connor> They're load a tad faster because of the compression
[00:08:57] <furrywolf> but we do have trees 50ft thick! :)
[00:10:56] <furrywolf> hrmm, googling says slabs are a bad idea in earthquake areas... which may also explain part of their non-popularity here.
[00:12:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: finish off the machines section of my site
[00:12:01] <zeeshan> do it!
[00:12:46] * furrywolf is getting ready for bed, and is tired. web design requires fully awake brain.
[00:13:19] <furrywolf> otherwise, rather than useful sites, you end up with... you were the one I was annoying with animated gears, right? :P
[00:13:29] <zeeshan> yes
[00:13:32] <zeeshan> you annoyed me so much
[00:13:35] <zeeshan> that i dropped the whole gear idea
[00:13:36] <zeeshan> hahaha
[00:13:48] <zeeshan> they were driving me insane
[00:14:10] <furrywolf> also finding that slabs are a bad idea where the water table is near the surface... which it is here. at my last place, my neighbor had a 10ft well. it kept her horses watered all year round.
[00:14:15] <furrywolf> lol
[00:14:50] <toastydeath> hahah yeah
[00:15:02] <PetefromTn_> the water table is near the surface EVERYWHERE in Florida...
[00:15:06] <toastydeath> shipyards have that problem with big machine tools
[00:15:36] <furrywolf> this is why we don't get basements here. :(
[00:15:40] <toastydeath> have to sink bigass hydraulic cement piles
[00:15:41] <furrywolf> they leak, crack, FLOAT,...
[00:15:46] <PetefromTn_> you can dig a hole a foot deep in some places and hit water hehe
[00:15:48] <toastydeath> and then build the bed on those
[00:16:18] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yeah, her well was about a foot below the surface during the winter.
[00:16:34] <furrywolf> mine here is about 5ft below. it's a 30ft well, never been dry.
[00:16:45] <PetefromTn_> I kinda like basements.. but they almost never happen in Florida. Where I was born in Upstate NY they had them everywhere.
[00:16:53] <toastydeath> how deep is bedrock
[00:16:56] <furrywolf> yeah, when I was in NJ, basements were common.
[00:16:59] <bobo_> furrywolf think i read that large buildings in Mexico City are build upon a concrete dish to survive earthquakes
[00:17:11] <zeeshan> BobO
[00:17:12] <zeeshan> guess what!
[00:17:14] <furrywolf> toastydeath: dunno. it's mud about as deep as I've ever seen. heh.
[00:17:19] <PetefromTn_> half of Mexic City is sinking into the freaking ground..
[00:17:55] <toastydeath> apparently "how deep is bedrock in florida" is a common search term
[00:18:26] <PetefromTn_> been there a couple times.. they have churches that have been there for hundreds of years and most of the first floor is underground.. you actually go DOWNSTAIRS to enter the building
[00:18:29] <furrywolf> as I said, I'd love a basement... they're even better than crawlspaces for maintainability, and you can store stuff. but the water table here is just too high. I've heard of basements floating up. septic tanks float to the surface when you pump them, too. lol
[00:18:43] <bobo_> yes Mr. Z ?
[00:20:44] <furrywolf> apparantly crawlspaces have substantially higher resale values, $10k or more onto the house. :)
[00:20:45] <furrywolf> bbl, bedtime
[00:21:12] <bobo_> I took a test drive on your new web site and ended up in a ditch !
[00:22:03] <zeeshan> "chicken butt"
[00:22:12] <zeeshan> bobo it is not complete yet
[00:22:21] <zeeshan> i hope to get it running over the week
[00:22:24] <zeeshan> w/ some content
[00:22:34] <zeeshan> bobo_: my fittings are in
[00:22:36] <zeeshan> i pick them up tomorrow!
[00:22:47] <bobo_> it doesn't load for me
[00:22:55] <zeeshan> why
[00:22:59] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[00:23:01] <zeeshan> you are going there?
[00:23:20] * archivist giggles at the altervista 404s
[00:23:33] <bobo_> ya for fittings
[00:24:26] <zeeshan> archivist: hush :{
[00:24:37] <zeeshan> im mostly sharing it for layout
[00:24:42] <archivist> zeeshan, get your own domain name for street cred
[00:24:43] <zeeshan> so far there hasn't been much negative comments
[00:24:55] <PetefromTn_> Oh man it sucks!! ;)
[00:24:56] <zeeshan> archivist: i will do that after the site is fully live
[00:25:34] <bobo_> clicking on that link and it does not load
[00:25:55] <bobo_> must be censored
[00:26:19] <zeeshan> really?
[00:26:20] <zeeshan> wtf
[00:27:50] <PetefromTn_> Well bed time folks.. Gn8
[00:28:11] <bobo_> night
[00:28:17] <zeeshan> nite
[00:57:16] <zeeshan> la la lala
[00:58:05] <Cromaglious> man in this day and age.. linux distros don't install a working samba implementation? criminal if you ask me
[01:08:23] <MacGalempsy> miss me?
[01:08:38] <MacGalempsy> the annoying noob your cnc mentor warned you about
[01:08:45] <zeeshan> :D
[01:10:05] <MacGalempsy> gosh, work started at 6pm. and nothing until 9pm and just now got off the phone (its 12:50) here
[01:10:26] <MacGalempsy> worst part is there is not a lot going on!
[01:13:35] <zeeshan> fak
[01:13:37] <zeeshan> my house is creeking
[01:13:43] <zeeshan> its -34C out
[01:13:53] <zeeshan> -30f
[01:15:22] <bobo_> what is temp. in garage ?
[01:15:55] <zeeshan> 0.1C
[01:16:18] <zeeshan> i took off the rad cap
[01:16:21] <zeeshan> on the rx7
[01:16:22] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Ow.
[01:16:25] <zeeshan> just incase
[01:16:35] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: fill with neat antifreeze?
[01:16:41] <zeeshan> nahh
[01:16:48] <zeeshan> i use 5% antifreeze on that car
[01:16:51] <SpeedEvil> Oh - riht - only 0C in garage
[01:16:56] <SpeedEvil> not an issue then
[01:18:14] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/machines.html
[01:18:32] <zeeshan> now the painstaking work making a webpage for each tool
[01:19:01] <zeeshan> bobo_: did you see the pic of the mikron
[01:19:03] <zeeshan> w/ the shields?
[01:19:21] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16400507428_b3fb93d599_b.jpg
[01:19:28] <zeeshan> i dont think i have to build shields for it
[01:19:36] <zeeshan> i just need to make the plexi a little taller
[01:19:55] <zeeshan> and come up with a solution to cover the front
[01:20:08] <bobo_> neat
[01:20:37] <zeeshan> bobo_: i can't see the horizontal spindle
[01:20:40] <zeeshan> like you can on the maho
[01:20:48] <zeeshan> i wonder if you have to take the entire vertical head off
[01:20:49] <zeeshan> to see it
[01:22:03] <bobo_> does this mean i will finaly see the vertical head removed ?
[01:22:09] <zeeshan> ahaha
[01:22:10] <zeeshan> yea
[01:22:30] <zeeshan> i really want to see if it does exist or not
[01:22:39] <zeeshan> cause all the manuals specify "horizontal spindle speeds"
[01:22:57] <zeeshan> and id like to see what kind of tool clamping pressure it has
[01:23:06] <zeeshan> to get a better idea of how bad my cylinder is
[01:23:20] <zeeshan> i don't see how that swing warm is supposed to hold the head
[01:24:42] <bobo_> those shields - can tthey be indivualy removed ? for parts sticking out one side --for example
[01:26:07] <zeeshan> yes
[01:26:20] <zeeshan> theyre held in by 2 bolts
[01:26:56] <bobo_> wonder if the horz. hyd cylender can be swapted into vertical head ?
[01:27:05] <zeeshan> bobo_: haha that would be SWEET
[01:27:18] <zeeshan> but i think i want to keep it functional
[01:27:22] <zeeshan> ill fix the vert head hyd
[01:27:26] <zeeshan> i just need a better idea of clamping force
[01:27:39] <zeeshan> i plan to take apart the hyd cylinder this weekend
[01:29:14] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: the link to your racing doesnt work. what kind of racecar you have?
[01:29:22] <bobo_> might be something to sell ----hyd pull stud gage
[01:29:25] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: most of the links dont work
[01:29:25] <zeeshan> :{
[01:29:37] <zeeshan> bobo_: they are really easy to make
[01:29:43] <zeeshan> its just a piston with a gauge
[01:29:50] <zeeshan> or if you wana get fancy
[01:29:54] <zeeshan> you can use a beam w/ a strain gauge on it
[01:30:11] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: rx7
[01:30:23] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: nice. year?
[01:30:27] <zeeshan> 93
[01:30:52] <MacGalempsy> << envious, that is the best bodystyle
[01:30:55] <MacGalempsy> turbo?
[01:31:06] <zeeshan> yes
[01:31:07] <zeeshan> but it has a v8
[01:31:09] <zeeshan> not a rotary
[01:31:14] <zeeshan> wait till that page is up
[01:31:16] <zeeshan> you will see my venting
[01:31:17] <zeeshan> :-)
[01:31:23] <zeeshan> with documentation!
[01:31:41] <zeeshan> i want to make a section "Why I dislike rotaries"
[01:31:49] <MacGalempsy> want to race? https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8764344525/
[01:31:50] <bobo_> seems people at pratical mach say they are very expensive--------pull stud gauge
[01:31:51] <zeeshan> and show the carnage
[01:32:07] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: your car?
[01:32:08] <zeeshan> that's sexy
[01:32:25] <MacGalempsy> thnx. took me 7 years to find it and say its only money
[01:32:42] <MacGalempsy> the last good buy before getting married
[01:32:50] <zeeshan> thats a 911 turbo right?
[01:32:54] <zeeshan> they all look the same to me
[01:32:55] <zeeshan> lol
[01:32:56] <MacGalempsy> yeah x50
[01:32:58] <zeeshan> nice
[01:33:31] <MacGalempsy> it has the gt2 engine and turbos. it was a special edition for people who bought multiple pcars
[01:33:35] <zeeshan> 450bhp in a 2900 lb car
[01:33:41] <zeeshan> ah
[01:33:55] <MacGalempsy> its like 496
[01:34:02] <zeeshan> must be a fun car
[01:34:08] <MacGalempsy> top speed is 192. I had it up to 175
[01:34:39] <zeeshan> haha, the fastest i've gone is 170mph
[01:34:43] <zeeshan> i;ll never do it again
[01:34:45] <zeeshan> it's too scary
[01:35:05] <MacGalempsy> i was racing a dodge challenger. he thought he had a chance while I was fucking with him
[01:35:34] <zeeshan> don't street race :P
[01:35:36] <MacGalempsy> he maxed at 155 and I let him have like 6 car lengths, then just said adios, and smoked him
[01:35:49] <MacGalempsy> it wasnt a street. it was the highway lol
[01:36:34] <MacGalempsy> what color is your rx7?
[01:36:41] <zeeshan> black
[01:36:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RTwQW8g.jpg
[01:36:49] <zeeshan> thats my powerplant
[01:37:32] <MacGalempsy> very awesome. you do all the engine machining?
[01:37:43] <zeeshan> no, its a bone stock engine
[01:37:45] <zeeshan> but i built the turbo kit
[01:38:06] <MacGalempsy> which v8 you go with?
[01:38:16] <zeeshan> lq9
[01:38:21] <zeeshan> which is the 6.0 liter iron block
[01:38:41] <MacGalempsy> did you have to beef up the suspension?
[01:38:53] <zeeshan> yea
[01:38:57] <zeeshan> lots of little stuff
[01:39:05] <zeeshan> had to drop the steering rack a bit
[01:39:09] <MacGalempsy> show me a pic of the whole car
[01:39:10] <zeeshan> so it needed a bumpsteer kit
[01:39:22] <zeeshan> its completely bone stock from the otuside
[01:39:23] <zeeshan> i just painted it
[01:39:24] <zeeshan> thats it
[01:39:44] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/591CC9E4-F447-4449-932E-AB693EDEA705-768-0000002B15E26412_zps45b1c6f3.jpg
[01:39:44] <MacGalempsy> ah. that is a factory lower lip?
[01:39:53] <zeeshan> its a right hand drive
[01:40:01] <zeeshan> it came with that "jdm" r1 lip
[01:40:23] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/2B480DE1-7019-43F2-95E4-91C686617C89-7246-000012BAFD18356D.jpg
[01:40:25] <zeeshan> found some old pics
[01:40:25] <zeeshan> :D
[01:40:33] <zeeshan> ive been so focused on the fab work
[01:40:38] <zeeshan> not much exterior pics
[01:40:39] <zeeshan> ahha
[01:40:56] <MacGalempsy> did you get it wrapped?
[01:41:03] <zeeshan> wrapped?
[01:41:18] <MacGalempsy> oh those are painting pics
[01:41:27] <MacGalempsy> i meant plastic wrapped
[01:41:31] <zeeshan> oh hell no
[01:41:33] <zeeshan> paint for me
[01:41:33] <zeeshan> :D
[01:41:44] <zeeshan> it was my first time painting it
[01:41:48] <zeeshan> i completely f'ed up the first time
[01:41:51] <zeeshan> lots of orange peel
[01:41:54] <zeeshan> second time came out nice
[01:42:01] <MacGalempsy> I been thinking about getting mine wrapped with classic carrera white
[01:42:30] <MacGalempsy> really want to get some BBS LM in gold
[01:42:37] <zeeshan> too rich for my blood
[01:42:37] <zeeshan> :)
[01:42:52] <zeeshan> theyre like a 1000$ a wheel
[01:42:54] <zeeshan> f that
[01:43:08] <MacGalempsy> hard to find a set of them I need 8.5 in the front and 12 in the back
[01:43:35] <zeeshan> im sporting some cheapo xxr wheels
[01:43:36] <zeeshan> i like em
[01:43:47] <MacGalempsy> they kin dof look like LMs
[01:43:55] <zeeshan> yea thats the look i was going for
[01:44:12] <zeeshan> the lm's are flat faced though
[01:44:58] <zeeshan> the only reason i got the wheels was
[01:44:59] <MacGalempsy> my favorite car is... https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/8795788024/
[01:45:01] <zeeshan> i needed wider tires!
[01:45:11] <Cromaglious> I so want a yenko stinger
[01:45:23] <MacGalempsy> a small fender roll would look good with some wider tires on the rx
[01:46:40] <zeeshan> you have a lot of 3d printers
[01:46:40] <zeeshan> lol
[01:47:34] <Connor> Yea.. I was thinking of getting a Lathe.. but.. I'm starting to rethink that.. maybe a 3D printer (or kit) or a Laser Cutter...
[01:47:48] <MacGalempsy> just one working. once this damn cnc gets going, I will finish the one in the server box
[01:47:58] <Connor> I could do more with the 3D printer or laser than I could with the Lathe right now.
[01:48:09] <zeeshan> i use my lathe so much!
[01:48:14] <alex4nder> zeeshan: which transmission did you bolt up to the V8?
[01:48:21] <zeeshan> but i could definitely use a 3d printer
[01:48:25] <zeeshan> t56
[01:48:29] <alex4nder> cool
[01:48:50] <zeeshan> thats anothe reason i went with v8
[01:48:56] <zeeshan> rx7 trans is garbage
[01:49:08] <alex4nder> I guess
[01:49:17] <zeeshan> its okay for 400~450hp
[01:49:17] <MacGalempsy> i wish there was a linuxcnc for dummies book. the manual is hard to put things together from base zero
[01:49:22] <zeeshan> if you make more, it has issues
[01:49:39] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: thats why we are here
[01:49:46] <zeeshan> we've been through it :P
[01:49:50] <alex4nder> zeeshan: I've had a couple single turbo FDs.. if you use the trans for the application it was designed (i.e. no torque) they're cool. ;)
[01:50:19] <zeeshan> hehe
[01:50:25] <alex4nder> your FD looks good
[01:50:36] <zeeshan> thanks man
[01:50:45] <zeeshan> i spent a lot of time on rotaries before i made the move
[01:50:54] <zeeshan> i miss 8000 rpm shifts
[01:50:58] <alex4nder> yah
[01:50:59] <zeeshan> and the smooth power bad
[01:51:01] <zeeshan> *band
[01:51:08] <Connor> I've got some 15mmx15mm Alum Extrusion.. thinking of using for a MendelMax
[01:51:24] <zeeshan> Connor: buy me a 3d printer
[01:51:26] <alex4nder> zeeshan: yah, I can see the draw to switching away
[01:51:27] <zeeshan> all your problems will be solved
[01:52:08] <zeeshan> i'm trying to find a pic of it being rotary
[01:52:09] <zeeshan> its old!
[01:52:15] <alex4nder> I have an RX-7 race mechanic in the family, so that was an upside.
[01:52:22] <MacGalempsy> the shittiest time I had with the yellow 3d printer the guy I bought the chassis from cast the parts from plastic instead of printing them
[01:52:26] <zeeshan> is he famous?
[01:52:29] <zeeshan> on rx7club?
[01:52:45] <alex4nder> he doesn't post; too many haters
[01:52:50] <zeeshan> haha yea
[01:52:52] <zeeshan> typical forum bs
[01:52:57] <MacGalempsy> we should do a linuxcnc summer run!
[01:53:16] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/rotary/done5.jpg
[01:53:25] <zeeshan> holy crap
[01:53:28] <zeeshan> my garage was so empty then
[01:53:49] <MacGalempsy> that intercooler is beast!
[01:53:55] <Connor> or, maybe this one..
[01:53:57] <Connor> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41967
[01:54:05] <alex4nder> zeeshan: he mainly does engine builds, engine management, and package development now
[01:54:11] <zeeshan> ah
[01:54:18] <zeeshan> he must make a killing on the the engine builds
[01:54:22] <alex4nder> haha
[01:54:23] <zeeshan> there will be enough of them to build :-)
[01:54:30] <alex4nder> he fixes other people's problems
[01:54:32] <alex4nder> his don't tend to blow up
[01:54:56] <MacGalempsy> Connor: you should do a hexapod. I hear the results are fantastic
[01:55:16] <MacGalempsy> the i3 is a pretty good starter design
[01:55:22] <Connor> Nah. Doesn't lend itself to the 15mm stuff I have already.
[01:55:35] <zeeshan> connor how about you use your mill
[01:55:40] <zeeshan> for a while before you build something else :-)
[01:55:45] <alex4nder> the curse
[01:55:48] <alex4nder> it never ends
[01:55:55] <zeeshan> im forcing myself
[01:55:58] <Connor> Because, it's in parts and a 3d printer can live in my office.
[01:56:02] <zeeshan> until i get some money back from the mill
[01:56:10] <zeeshan> i aint starting another project
[01:56:14] <zeeshan> next one will definitely be a 3d printer
[01:56:25] <Connor> I even have a extruder already.
[01:56:35] <Connor> I had plans to use my CNc Router as a printer..
[01:56:39] <Connor> but, never did.
[01:56:43] <zeeshan> do you even need servos
[01:56:45] <zeeshan> for a 3d printer
[01:56:46] <zeeshan> it's so slow
[01:56:46] <Connor> was going to use linuxcnc..
[01:56:53] <MacGalempsy> #reprap is a good place for more info
[01:57:03] <Connor> You use steppers.. and they're not slow.. they're rather fast.
[01:57:15] <zeeshan> arent you limited
[01:57:18] <zeeshan> by your extruder
[01:57:20] <zeeshan> if youre doing fdm
[01:57:31] <zeeshan> they look pretty slow to me when gluing material
[01:57:57] <Connor> It just takes a while to build up the material.. the x/y moves pretty damn quick.
[01:57:59] <MacGalempsy> the finish isnt so great, but if you need a hollow design it is nice
[01:58:15] <zeeshan> how quick
[01:58:38] <bobo_> conner have you looked at/seen a Atlas 6" lathe ? could set it up with a electronic threading
[01:58:44] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: the one that is in the server box has the intent to be able to add a dremel in for machining...
[01:58:50] <Connor> 200 IPM or better in some cases.
[01:59:03] <zeeshan> thats easy to do with small steppers.
[01:59:06] <Connor> bobo_: I have a 7x10 lathe.
[01:59:12] <zeeshan> i dont see it needing more than 200oz-in steppers
[01:59:13] <Connor> I want something bigger.
[01:59:27] <Connor> zeeshan: You don't typically see them much larger than that.
[01:59:28] <bobo_> Oh
[01:59:36] <Connor> bobo_: It sucks.
[02:00:07] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtJVww8Zvw
[02:00:08] <Connor> I want 10x22 or 11x26 but.. too much going on right now.. house is a mess, money is tight..
[02:00:12] <zeeshan> looks like 40 ipm
[02:00:19] <MacGalempsy> the local makers club are liking the xyz. supposedly it is like 400 and easy to put in custom firmware
[02:00:38] <Connor> zeeshan: Depends on the settings and what it's doing.. they can go faster.
[02:00:40] <MacGalempsy> use the stuff you have to make money!
[02:01:01] <Connor> the xyz ?
[02:01:07] <MacGalempsy> from my experiance, the limiting factor is filament feed without jamming
[02:01:19] <Connor> 1.75mm fixed allot of that.
[02:01:42] <Connor> along with pre-made hobbed direct drive extruders
[02:02:07] <zeeshan> so you got a feeder
[02:02:10] <zeeshan> and a melter
[02:02:12] <zeeshan> ?
[02:02:16] <MacGalempsy> http://us.xyzprinting.com/
[02:03:00] <MacGalempsy> i was using wades extruder,
[02:03:40] <Connor> zeeshan: you have a stepper with a hobbed gear like thing on it, which gripes the filament. It pushes it into the hotend.. which melts it.. and squirts it out in a very fine thread.
[02:03:53] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[02:04:08] <zeeshan> sounds like a mig welder
[02:04:08] <zeeshan> :D
[02:04:16] <zeeshan> kind of
[02:04:24] <MacGalempsy> if you print abs you need a hotplate, and a gust of cold wind will screw you
[02:04:47] <MacGalempsy> PLA prints with a fan, but it is not as tough
[02:04:59] <zeeshan> the school 3d printer
[02:05:02] <zeeshan> is nice and toasty
[02:05:05] <zeeshan> its cold in that damn room
[02:05:13] <zeeshan> but its fully enclosed so you can feel the heat
[02:05:19] <zeeshan> when you open the door, its like an oven
[02:05:40] <Cromaglious> ABS you really need to build a box around the machine
[02:05:43] <MacGalempsy> oh. over 85c and the steppers start to fail!
[02:05:48] <bobo_> mig welder running alum wire----problems
[02:06:15] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/cnc8.jpg
[02:06:23] <Cromaglious> you can run ducting for the servos
[02:06:38] <Connor> I had planned on adding a hotend to that machine.. it's fully enclosed.. was even going to heat it with a hair dryer..
[02:07:10] <Connor> but found out that mixing machines not good idea.. to dusty after working with wood..
[02:07:20] <Connor> gantry too heavy for printer moves..
[02:07:37] <MacGalempsy> yeah. dust on the filament will clog the hotend
[02:07:37] <Connor> I might buy a ramps board and try to use it with it again and see..
[02:07:42] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stratasys-Dimension-BST-768-NOT-Working-/111598604859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fbcb923b
[02:07:44] <zeeshan> interesting
[02:08:25] <Connor> machine has 12x18x4.5" build area.. not much in Z height.. for a 3D printer.
[02:09:12] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you see the repair price?
[02:09:14] <MacGalempsy> 5k!
[02:09:15] <zeeshan> yea
[02:09:16] <zeeshan> haha
[02:09:16] <zeeshan> wtf
[02:09:20] <zeeshan> for an xy table
[02:09:23] <Cromaglious> that's what I need to do for the 3040, make a MDF hold down table. 1/4 nuts on the back side on a 1" by 1" grid
[02:09:35] <MacGalempsy> they quoted me 15k to retrofit this benchman xt
[02:09:53] <MacGalempsy> so far all I got into it is the mesa cards and way too much time
[02:11:26] <MacGalempsy> would either of you guys be willing to remote into my linux box and give me a lesson on setting up a pcvp and test a pin?
[02:11:47] <MacGalempsy> I think once I see it actually done, things would make a little more sense
[02:12:12] <MacGalempsy> or even if we did a google hangout and I just watch your screen
[02:12:13] <Cromaglious> I was wining this for 3 days... at $25, then it sells for $172 http://www.ebay.com/itm/261775820477?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
[02:12:50] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: you'll cry when you see what I got on a buy it now for $50
[02:12:59] <MacGalempsy> ill take a pic real quick
[02:14:58] <Cromaglious> the buyer that got it, bids in the last 5 minutes on like 10 other auctions in the past 30 days and wins them all
[02:15:05] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16587541542/
[02:15:26] <zeeshan> wow
[02:15:28] <zeeshan> for $50?!?!
[02:15:37] <zeeshan> thats a crazy deal
[02:15:39] * zeeshan wants
[02:15:50] <MacGalempsy> yeah. i had it on a search. i bought it after it being on there for like 30 secs
[02:16:08] <Cromaglious> Mac you're a BEOOOOCHT ;\
[02:16:25] <MacGalempsy> lol
[02:16:42] <Cromaglious> WOW that's like $1200+ of probe
[02:16:50] <MacGalempsy> there are 2 in there
[02:17:33] <Cromaglious> and all the tips, did I mention ALL the tips
[02:17:43] <archivist> a few strategic saved searches are well worth the effort :)
[02:17:43] <MacGalempsy> I need to test them, but I would be willing to do some trading to get my cnc going
[02:18:12] <zeeshan> $51
[02:18:16] <zeeshan> =]
[02:18:18] <MacGalempsy> :)
[02:19:23] <MacGalempsy> I wonder how many carats of rubies are in there?
[02:19:38] <Cromaglious> Man mad rubies
[02:19:41] <Cromaglious> made
[02:21:16] <bobo_> Destiny ?
[02:21:40] <bobo_> as in stargate ?
[02:22:54] <MacGalempsy> bobo_: you talking to me?
[02:23:05] <MacGalempsy> like the video game Destiny?
[02:23:09] <bobo_> yes
[02:23:40] <MacGalempsy> its pretty cool
[02:24:01] <Deejay> moin
[02:24:09] <bobo_> the screen shows Destiny
[02:24:10] <MacGalempsy> moin
[02:24:20] <MacGalempsy> yeah its the intro screen to the videogame
[02:24:32] <Deejay> hi MacGalempsy :)
[02:24:42] <MacGalempsy> http://www.destinythegame.com/
[02:24:55] <bobo_> Oh !
[02:25:07] <MacGalempsy> after so many hours, it is kind of repetative
[02:25:34] <Cromaglious> ugh... my brother sent me a pdf to turn into a web page... Images are like 40x30 pixels I have to blow them up to like 400x300 and they look like crap, so now I'm looking for royalty free pictures to replace them with, NOT FUN!
[02:34:03] <archivist> take new pictures
[02:36:57] <archivist> I re take pictures for the sites I do where needed as the "professionals" can be useless
[02:47:52] <Cromaglious> san francisco is a bit far from Temecula in Riverside county 2 miles north of San Diego County line
[02:54:28] <MacGalempsy> ok I have halcmd going, still trying to run the tiny.xml example without success
[02:54:56] <MacGalempsy> can someone who has done this walk me through the lines in halcmd?
[02:55:31] <MacGalempsy> the manual is of no help, I need some visual realtime assistance lol
[02:56:06] <archivist> do something see error message understand rinse repeat
[02:56:54] <MacGalempsy> typing the exact lines in the manual doesnt work
[02:57:21] <archivist> probably because you need to vary for your situation
[02:57:42] <MacGalempsy> this is the line I am running. what needs to be personalized?halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypanel tiny.xml
[02:59:28] <MacGalempsy> that line returns too many arguments
[03:01:20] <MacGalempsy> I did a cd to the folder of interest
[03:02:16] <archivist> you are not using it in the way described on http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/tutorial.html
[03:05:05] <MacGalempsy> just following the one, which is obviously incorrect...
[03:05:45] <archivist> I dont know what you are following
[03:06:01] <MacGalempsy> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[03:06:46] <MacGalempsy> step 2
[03:07:38] <archivist> I used a panel on http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG
[03:07:53] <archivist> I never needed halrun though
[03:08:55] <MacGalempsy> i just want to get to the point where I can load the XML file so I can test some pins
[03:09:16] <MacGalempsy> nothing in the manual seems straight forward
[03:09:57] <archivist> I went straight to the axis section
[03:10:44] <archivist> if there are bugs in the instructions tell someone like JT
[03:11:30] <MacGalempsy> I will try the AXIS section
[03:17:06] <MacGalempsy> FINALLY! thank you archivist
[03:38:39] <bobo_> bbl
[06:16:09] <MacGalempsy> in HAL should I do a net before setp?
[06:19:09] <MacGalempsy> net compartment-light => hm2_5i25.0.7177.0.0.output-3
[06:19:12] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic_hal.html#_setp_a_id_sub_setp_a
[06:19:19] <MacGalempsy> setp compartment-light bit
[06:25:39] <MacGalempsy> if a pyvcp widget is being used, does the setp still need to be set?
[06:26:09] <archivist> I think that depends on your use
[06:27:33] <MacGalempsy> this example is just trying to turn on the compartment light. I have the toggle button set up. so just using the net function in the HAL file, then linking the <halpin> in the xml file will actuate the relay?
[06:28:32] <archivist> you may need the setp just so it defaults to off when axis starts
[06:29:48] <MacGalempsy> ok
[06:39:30] <MacGalempsy> well, it errored... https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4a5d2049ce436c9086dc
[06:40:19] <skunkworks> 7i77.hal:26: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-3' does not exist
[06:40:51] <MacGalempsy> i did a show pins and that is where I got the number
[06:41:15] <skunkworks> .0.0 looks wonkey
[06:41:37] <skunkworks> for one thing
[06:41:56] <skunkworks> eh maybe that is right
[06:43:47] <skunkworks> but it sounds like the pin is spelled wrong or the 7i77 isn't seen
[06:44:33] <archivist> is this a sym setup
[06:45:14] <MacGalempsy> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a47fd87f4b4a70fdd9f7
[06:45:18] <MacGalempsy> that is the show pin
[06:46:53] <MacGalempsy> maybe 03
[06:48:56] <MacGalempsy> well now linuxcnc started, but no light...
[06:49:51] <MacGalempsy> time to try a jumper
[06:56:11] <MacGalempsy> so the relay is powered up, so getting field power should flip the switch
[06:56:42] <skunkworks> you should not be running as root either...
[07:12:03] * JT-Shop has not received any mail or packages all week... so much for the post office promises
[07:13:44] <archivist> JT-Shop, seems there may be a doc bug on section 2 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[07:14:03] <JT-Shop> a missing > ?
[07:14:26] <archivist> dunno he gets a too many parameters error
[07:14:31] <MacGalempsy> ok. I was sending power to the relay in signal, but it needs to be grounded. if I change the output-03 to output-03-not will that be a ground?
[07:15:00] <JT-Shop> oh, loading a pyvcp panel stand alone?
[07:15:04] <archivist> yes
[07:16:09] <JT-Shop> I'll look at it after I get the debian computer to talk nicely to git
[07:16:34] <JT-Shop> DIY high resolution 3D DLP printer (3D SLA printer) by TristramBudel
[07:16:51] <JT-Shop> How much did the printer cost? About 1750 euro's in materials.
[07:17:07] <JT-Shop> How long did it take you to build it? Somewhere between 1000 and 1500 hrs.
[07:17:25] <JT-Shop> and I like this comment the best
[07:17:48] <JT-Shop> How skilled do I need to be to build this? On a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being you have trouble replacing a light bulb, 10 being you have sent something in to space. I would say 8. if you read this Instructable very carefully maybe a skill level 7.
[07:18:18] <_methods> hahah
[07:19:21] <skunkworks> that isn't quite fair - elementry kids have sent stuff into space...
[07:19:35] <SpeedEvil> For very weak definitions of space in most cases.
[07:20:03] <archivist> they handed it to person who did it for them
[07:26:37] <MacGalempsy> the output-03 does not have the option for output-03-not. so how do I make output-03 send a gound instead of fieldpower?
[07:35:52] <skunkworks> you probably have to set the GPIO parameter.. for invert to true (going by memory)
[07:37:03] <skunkworks> for that pin
[07:37:11] <pcw_home> 7I77 digital outputs are sourcing only
[07:37:25] <skunkworks> peter!
[07:37:28] <pcw_home> so the load must have one side grounded
[07:43:27] <MacGalempsy> this is the relay board I have in there. GND and VCC are fulltime powerhttp://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-4-CH-4-Channel-Relay-Module/dp/B0057OC5O8
[07:44:08] <MacGalempsy> 1-4 are going to the outs on the mesaboard
[07:54:01] <MacGalempsy> ok. I think I got this figured out... time to rewire a few things...
[07:55:50] <pcw_home> you could drive that directly from 5i25 outputs
[07:55:58] <miss0r> and other famous last sentences such as "what does this button do" and "lets go play golf in the lightning"
[07:57:12] <pcw_home> Yeah lets go to a flat grassy area and swing a metal pole over our heads
[07:57:48] <miss0r> exactly :D I was referring to MacGalempsy's text
[07:59:09] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: I guess i'll just get some different relays
[07:59:23] <MacGalempsy> individuals instead of in a board like this
[07:59:26] <_methods> what's wrong with that relay?
[07:59:32] <pcw_home> you could run it from P2
[08:00:04] <MacGalempsy> the ins need to ground out instead of source
[08:00:27] <xobmo> Howdy from TX, USA
[08:00:52] <_methods> so you want the relay to turn on while signal is low?
[08:01:03] <_methods> just invert your logic on teh signal side
[08:02:21] <MacGalempsy> not sure how to do that
[08:05:55] <pcw_home> you can invert the logic but it will not help
[08:06:09] <MacGalempsy> i was thinking about finding a sourcing relay module
[08:06:20] <MacGalempsy> since these ones seem to be sinking
[08:06:33] <MacGalempsy> any recommendations?
[08:06:47] <pcw_home> your relay board needs active low TTL signals, the 7I77 drives relays directly
[08:06:48] <Swapper> pcw_home: only to validate, 7i77 have protection on the outputs to drive normal relay coils ?
[08:06:57] <pcw_home> yes
[08:07:01] <Swapper> ty
[08:07:42] <pcw_home> relays above 60 mA need flyback diodes (below can do without)
[08:08:00] <pcw_home> max load is 350 mA
[08:12:51] <Swapper> ok
[08:12:57] <_methods> so he could just desolder one of those relays from the pcb and use it directly then?
[08:13:09] <Swapper> if they are field voltage
[08:13:15] <Swapper> that should work
[08:13:47] <_methods> https://www.ghielectronics.com/downloads/man/20084141716341001RelayX1.pdf
[08:14:22] <xobmo> I have been dying to use my machine since the fall, gotta do a new install. Would fan noise cause missed steps on arcs like the "C" on the default AXIS code?
[08:15:41] <MacGalempsy> the desoldering sounds like the best plan.
[08:15:47] <pcw_home> They are made for interfaceing to microcontrollers so are 5V and have
[08:15:49] <pcw_home> their own relay drivers (opto isolators)
[08:15:50] <pcw_home> so to use as is I woud drive from the FPGA outputs
[08:16:30] <_methods> but he'll need the flyback diodes to run it alone
[08:16:30] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good method, but trying to avoid another wiring harness coming out of the machine
[08:17:22] <MacGalempsy> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/fziprelaymodules.pdf
[08:17:46] <MacGalempsy> they are pricey, but the ZL-RRL16-24-2 is sourcing
[08:17:48] <Swapper> MacGalempsy: what breakout board are you using ?
[08:18:02] <MacGalempsy> 5i25, 7i77 7i84
[08:18:23] <Swapper> ok then as pcw said above you dont need a flyback if the relays are below 60ma
[08:18:30] <Swapper> its in the 7i77 atleast
[08:18:42] <pcw_home> those have driver, you dont need drivers
[08:19:18] <_methods> the nominal current on the 5v songle relay is 71.4 mA
[08:20:29] <pcw_home> Pretty sure theres a little bare 4 relay DIN module from automation direct
[08:22:00] <MacGalempsy> ok. I will make up a wiring harness and run it from the 5i25
[08:22:23] <MacGalempsy> just to be clear, we are talkingabout the gpio pins, correct?
[08:24:11] <Swapper> do you have 5v field voltage?
[08:24:12] <pcw_home> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Reviews/Catalog/Relays_-z-_Timers/Electro-Mechanical_Relays/Slim_-z-_Card_Relays,_5A_%28RS_Series%29/RS4N-DE?showReviews=true
[08:24:49] <pcw_home> for example (24V ~8 ma)
[08:29:47] <pcw_home> Yes, you can use GPIO pins to drive the SainSmart module
[08:29:48] <pcw_home> (you need to set them in open drain mode and invert the outputs)
[08:30:30] <MacGalempsy> ok. the help is really appreciated. its time to hit the sack. much appreciated. made a lot of progress today. so a BIG THANKS
[09:06:55] * JT-Shop reads more about the unobtainiom parts of building a SLA
[09:07:23] <JT-Shop> Ideally you want to use a single surface mirror for this. Because this is one of the build quality determining factors a high quality mirror would do best. I did not manage to find any reasonable priced suppliers of 150x150mm single surface mirrors so far.
[09:07:51] <JT-Shop> I suggest you do the same as I did, most universities with a physics lab have a thermal evaporator or sputter tool just give them a call and say you are working on a 3D printer. I am sure you can find a student/undergrad or teacher that is willing to help.
[09:08:13] <JT-Shop> yea we have several thermal evaporators but none of the rednecks can find the manual
[09:10:04] <_methods> hahah
[09:11:59] <pcw_home> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-mirrors/flat-mirrors/4-6-wave-first-surface-mirrors/2077
[09:13:42] <_methods> so why can't you just aim the projector directly at the build platform?
[09:16:03] <pcw_home> probably just mechanically awkward (or maybe the projectors don like bein pointed down)
[09:16:25] <_methods> wonder if it's a bulb exploding thing or something
[09:19:16] <CaptHindsight> the mirror is used just to place the projector at a right angle to the build platform
[09:21:39] <CaptHindsight> it's easier to build and you'll get better prints by projecting down onto the surface of the photopolymer that messing with projecting up though the bottom of a vat
[09:23:00] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: http://www.sciplus.com/p/MIRROR-FIRST-SURFACE15MM-X-15MM-X-1MM-THKVERY-SMALL_248
[09:23:07] <CaptHindsight> <$5ea
[09:25:58] <JT-Shop> are any of these candidates for top down SLA? http://semo.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=projector&sort=rel
[09:41:51] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: http://semo.craigslist.org/bfs/4847008433.html - ideal for a very large top-down SLA
[09:41:55] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: most are 800x600 or 1024x768. Don't both with any DLP projector that has white spots or "sparkles", These are stuck micro-mirrors
[09:42:14] <CaptHindsight> both/bother
[09:42:35] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can segment off the 'working' bit.
[09:42:47] <SpeedEvil> But - if one has failed, the rest are likely on the way out
[09:43:31] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: Church building with gym for sale?
[09:43:47] <SpeedEvil> Room for a really big vat and projector
[09:43:59] <SpeedEvil> Sorry -I should be more serious.
[09:44:15] <CaptHindsight> or funny :)
[09:44:19] <SpeedEvil> That too
[09:44:23] <JT-Shop> how do you tell if it has 'sparkles'?
[09:44:43] <CaptHindsight> turn it on, look for white spots
[09:45:06] <CaptHindsight> LCD projectors don't have this problem
[09:45:27] <JT-Shop> http://semo.craigslist.org/ele/4858532645.html
[09:45:47] <JT-Shop> works but needs a bulb?
[09:46:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fixya.com/uploads/Images/CC064CB.jpg spots
[09:46:29] <tjtr33> thx to all the devs! i am overwhelmed. also the Lonnox Cut tutorials begins at http://goo.gl/bvKuVo ( German only )
[09:47:23] <JT-Shop> http://semo.craigslist.org/ele/4883017261.html
[09:47:39] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: GEtting the bulb - or convincing it to workwith the wrong bulb - can be annoying
[09:47:45] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, a lot of units have bulb life counters, a register that can be checked (can be fooled but usually a good indication )
[09:47:59] <JT-Shop> thanks
[09:48:16] <JT-Shop> http://jacksontn.craigslist.org/ele/4887611172.html
[09:48:19] <CaptHindsight> SVGA(800x600) InFocus LP280
[09:48:39] <JT-Shop> is that poor, good, great?
[09:49:23] <SpeedEvil> Contrast ratio matters a bit - as the worse it is - the more you're rotting the resin
[09:50:00] <JT-Shop> Contrast(Full On/Off): 400:1 Auto Iris: No
[09:50:09] <JT-Shop> http://www.projectorcentral.com/InFocus-LP280.htm
[09:50:13] <CaptHindsight> for 100um XY (0.004") 80mm x 60mm (3.15 x 2.36" ) prints
[09:50:42] <JT-Shop> ok so the infocus is a bit small then
[09:50:44] <CaptHindsight> not the greatest contrast ratio
[09:51:04] <JT-Shop> what is a good contrast ratio?
[09:51:12] <CaptHindsight> 1024 x 768 102 x 76.8mm for 100um XY
[09:51:23] <CaptHindsight> >1000:1
[09:51:34] <JT-Shop> ok, I'll keep looking for that
[09:52:31] <CaptHindsight> LCD projectors don't pass much light under 440nm (Blue)
[09:54:07] <CaptHindsight> http://bucktownpolymers.com/rcpolymers00.html is the only source for resin that works from UV through 500nm (blue green)
[09:54:26] <JT-Shop> ah so there is a catch with the LCD projector
[09:55:44] <JT-Shop> so this is a good one? http://clarksville.craigslist.org/ele/4843043580.html
[09:56:27] <CaptHindsight> you also have to look at native resolution
[09:57:01] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: is specified for. Do most really not work at blue?
[09:57:07] <CaptHindsight> that's the actual number and aspect ratio of the micro mirrors
[09:57:46] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: the other photopolymers use photoinitiators that are only triggered <420nm
[09:57:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-S316.htm
[09:58:11] <CaptHindsight> some are only UV - 390nm
[09:58:28] <JT-Shop> Contrast(Full On/Off): 15,000:1 Auto Iris: ** Native Resolution: 800x600
[09:58:58] <CaptHindsight> nice and bright but 800x600
[10:00:54] <JT-Shop> how about this one http://www.projectorcentral.com/InFocus-IN2104EP.htm
[10:01:28] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: ah
[10:01:34] <CaptHindsight> 1024x768 2,500 Lumens
[10:03:57] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: we can make them trigger anywhere from UV through IR
[10:04:31] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes - and we can also do total synthesis of photopolymers in the shop.
[10:05:35] <CaptHindsight> or ebeam
[10:05:51] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/InFocus-IN2104EP-2500-ANSI-Lumens-VGA-DLP-Video-Projector-w-Lamp-No-Remote-/381164171599?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58bf27b14f
[10:06:24] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: I actually want to try e-beam SES
[10:06:27] <SpeedEvil> Or whatever you call it
[10:07:13] <CaptHindsight> that ebay infocus ^^ looks good
[10:07:53] <JT-Shop> almost too good to be true... 159 Negative feedbacks in 12 months
[10:08:03] <JT-Shop> does sell a lot
[10:09:00] <tjtr33> others w/o bulb listed, and ~50$ for new bulb
[10:09:27] <tjtr33> newegg has the bulbs even
[10:09:33] <CaptHindsight> I'd skip the bulb and put an LED in
[10:10:06] <tjtr33> those 10W ?
[10:10:23] <CaptHindsight> 10W 405nm LED
[10:11:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10W-UltraViolet-UV-Purple-395NM-405NM-High-Power-Multichip-Intergrated-Led-Light-/221396739962
[10:12:08] <SpeedEvil> Decent LEDs can hit 50% effiienciy
[10:12:08] <CaptHindsight> I use Blue LED's
[10:12:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Watt-45mil-Chips-Blue-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp-Panel-450-460nm-2000-2500LM-/380857624277
[10:12:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-10W-10Watt-Blue-High-Power-LED-Light-Lamp-450-460nm-200-250LM-Aquarium-DIY-/380609135646
[10:13:26] <CaptHindsight> the price on LED's just drops all the time
[10:14:15] <tjtr33> so 1024x768 gives a 4"x3" work area at .004"rez?
[10:14:41] <CaptHindsight> yes XY
[10:14:49] <tjtr33> k, getting it now thx
[10:15:17] <CaptHindsight> and 2 x 1.5" at .002" res
[10:15:40] <tjtr33> yeah i was thinking gettting closer would make it finer
[10:15:57] <CaptHindsight> also more power
[10:16:18] <CaptHindsight> mW/cm^2
[10:16:35] <tjtr33> i saw one Taiwan unit that had a shroud around the nose, actually kissed the surface of the polymer, maybe avoiding ambient light
[10:17:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.asiga.com/products/printers/ maybe this?
[10:17:31] <jack16> I need to make 20 mm deep 2.8 mm slot in PVC. Will endmill handle it or I need to cut it from both sides?
[10:18:28] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I'm going to make a water soluble (after curing) resin for casting applications
[10:19:35] <CaptHindsight> print, coat with casting compound, let it set and then soak in water to remove the resin mold
[10:19:56] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Are you some sort of chemist?
[10:20:04] <tjtr33> muhahahah
[10:20:06] <CaptHindsight> some sort
[10:20:13] <SpeedEvil> Sounds like fun.
[10:20:20] <CaptHindsight> I wear many hats
[10:20:32] <SpeedEvil> 3d printing resin - done right - could be more lucrative than meth.
[10:21:18] <FinboySlick> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BJ23P3581 is surprisingly cheap.
[10:25:46] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight, so I just need to find a projector like the InFocus IN2104EP to get started
[10:26:20] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: yes
[10:26:39] <JT-Shop> is the resin sensitive to ambient light?
[10:26:59] <CaptHindsight> you don't want to keep it in the window
[10:27:44] <CaptHindsight> it depends on the resin, I mix the Blue curing resins in a dim area
[10:28:22] <CaptHindsight> you don't need a darkroom
[10:30:07] <SpeedEvil> Keeping a box over it is a good plan
[10:30:11] <CaptHindsight> but 1-2 seconds in sunlight and it's solid
[10:30:29] <CaptHindsight> and hot
[10:30:47] <JT-Shop> so do you mix it up just before use?
[10:31:27] <CaptHindsight> no it's premixed and only one component, I was referring to production
[10:32:11] * SpeedEvil wonders if there is anything that could be added to cheap fibreglass resin to act as a photocatalytic accellerator
[10:32:48] <CaptHindsight> those are unsaturated polyester and styrene
[10:33:09] <CaptHindsight> and it's called a photoinitiator
[10:35:04] <CaptHindsight> you can also place inserts into SLA as it is printing (if you use top down projection)
[10:37:50] <CaptHindsight> the cheap poly resins are pretty thick and also shrink a lot when cured
[10:38:22] <CaptHindsight> and the styrene odor is pretty strong for most people
[10:39:02] * SpeedEvil is really, really cheap.
[10:39:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:39:15] <SpeedEvil> I should start with simple pulltrusion first.
[10:39:22] <SpeedEvil> I got a lot of filliment to play with
[10:39:40] <SpeedEvil> 17kg, it was cheap on ebay!
[10:39:55] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: are you going to use the polyester resin?
[10:40:00] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[10:40:17] <CaptHindsight> should work fine
[10:40:43] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: how will you cure?
[10:40:53] <SpeedEvil> heat. Lots of heat.
[10:41:24] <SpeedEvil> It seems to be how it's done in production with remarkably few issues.
[10:41:43] <CaptHindsight> you could use dual cure and skip the heat
[10:41:45] <SpeedEvil> And if Ican't do the 'normal' rate due to the wrong resin - it doesn't much matter.
[10:41:56] <SpeedEvil> Dual cure?
[10:42:26] <CaptHindsight> UV and a catalyst
[10:42:37] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[10:43:06] <SpeedEvil> I haven't done research tosee if there are available catalysts that would work.
[10:43:08] <CaptHindsight> UV cure the outside and then let is just sit and the catalyst will take care of the unexposed regions
[10:43:37] <SpeedEvil> Or does it normally cure with UV if strong enough?
[10:43:51] <CaptHindsight> MEKP as catalyst
[10:44:16] <CaptHindsight> the UV part requires a photoinitiator
[10:44:20] <SpeedEvil> Yes, I know - I was assuming naively that I'd need to add something else to make it photosensitive to a useful degree
[10:45:53] <CaptHindsight> or benzoyl peroxide or 2,4-dichlorobenzoyl peroxide as the catalyst
[10:46:15] <SpeedEvil> As photoinitiators?
[10:46:17] <CaptHindsight> (pimple cream active ingredient)
[10:46:52] <CaptHindsight> for the Pi I'd have to see where you can get that in the UK
[10:47:48] <CaptHindsight> the cheap polyester resin at boat yards usually comes with some MEKP
[10:48:03] <SpeedEvil> And yes -I've got plenty ofMEKP - that's not an issue
[10:48:49] <SpeedEvil> I assume the initiator would be very uncheap?
[10:50:00] <CaptHindsight> the ones in the UV to 420nm range aren't bad
[10:50:42] * SpeedEvil looks at his decapped 400W mercury vapour streetlight.
[10:50:59] <CaptHindsight> we buy by the pallet, I'm not sure about exporting to the UK though
[10:51:18] <SpeedEvil> yeah. I was meaning from a generic point of view, not 'please send me'
[10:51:33] <SpeedEvil> Is it a strong oxidiser or anything nasty to ship?
[10:51:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=photoinitiator
[10:51:46] <CaptHindsight> not nasty to ship
[10:51:56] <CaptHindsight> MEKP is
[10:53:06] <CaptHindsight> I went into a Lowe's home improvement store here for a gal of that cheap resin and I had to produce and ID
[10:53:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/UV-curable-Resin_276301172.html - sometimes I wish I had my own container in china that I could just fill up and get shipped to me.
[10:53:14] <CaptHindsight> because of the MEKP
[10:54:57] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:55:08] <SpeedEvil> I should probably stick to planning more near-term projects.
[10:57:07] <CaptHindsight> the Heat Cure part of that project is the most expensive
[10:57:16] <CaptHindsight> the cost of the energy
[10:58:11] <SpeedEvil> I'm really not sure it is. heating ~30kg or so of material to 1??C or so is basically trivial.
[10:58:41] <SpeedEvil> I mean - perhaps in an industrial scale where the materials are being bought in quantity
[11:00:54] <CaptHindsight> you can have a few KW of heaters in one pultruder, same for extruders
[11:01:15] <SpeedEvil> Yes, but probably not if I'm making one 6mm rod at a time.
[11:01:28] <CaptHindsight> that's what bumps the $1/lb PLA pellets >$10lb in filament form
[11:03:10] <SpeedEvil> $10 of energy per lb is enough to heat it to 180000C
[11:03:32] * SpeedEvil checks.
[11:03:54] <SpeedEvil> Looks about right.
[11:04:00] <CaptHindsight> are you vaporizing? :)
[11:04:09] <SpeedEvil> And yes, I do know that that is not physical
[11:04:16] <SpeedEvil> But - still.
[11:05:37] <CaptHindsight> coating plants are moving to Radcure to save over heat cure, so yes it becomes a big issue for large scale
[11:06:37] <SpeedEvil> I can't see any way it could possible be at all meaningful for me.
[11:06:58] <SpeedEvil> A 6mm extruder is basically not going to use meaningful power.
[11:07:17] <SpeedEvil> Oh. If you're talking about temperature cycled molds - then yes -that's going to be murder
[11:09:11] <CaptHindsight> yes, your 6mm rods a few at time won't matter much to your pocketbook
[11:10:09] <SpeedEvil> I can't see any concievable way that it could cost ~500kWh or so to heat 10kg of stuff.
[11:10:29] <SpeedEvil> At least in this context ofsimple pulltrusion with no mold being cooled down.
[11:11:12] <SpeedEvil> (500kWh = about what I paid for the materials)
[11:13:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.strongwell.com/markets/custom-pultrusions/ their composition has far less resin that what you'll make at home
[11:13:40] <CaptHindsight> fiberglass + clay + resin
[11:14:04] <SpeedEvil> I actually bought some 'filled' resin.
[11:14:14] <SpeedEvil> But yes - more filler could be used.
[11:14:29] <SpeedEvil> Sand as a bulking agent too
[11:15:13] <SpeedEvil> The initial design is very simple.
[11:16:16] <SpeedEvil> Dip tank for 'core' fibres and wrap. Linear fibres in a bundle, with a simple spiral wrap of a single fibre round the diameter to squeeze out resin and reinforce in the other direction, wipe off and stick in a IR oven.
[11:17:36] <CaptHindsight> ah ok, closer to casting, you're not curing it as it goes through the mold
[11:18:07] <SpeedEvil> No, there is no orifice which it's pulled through.
[11:18:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah I follow you
[11:18:46] <SpeedEvil> I wasn't sure how non-stick Icould get it in practice. I know IR oven will work fine - just may be rather slower.
[11:24:33] <CaptHindsight> ghetto version could be made with tubing and a funnel
[11:28:23] <SpeedEvil> Yes, I wasn't sure of the non-stick-ness though. I shoul probably have investigated more thouroughly
[11:30:47] <CaptHindsight> ptfe coated tube
[11:32:51] <SpeedEvil> Easy to try.
[11:33:21] <CaptHindsight> make your own with the water based ptfe
[11:33:22] <PetefromTn_> hey folks..
[11:33:30] <ssi> hey pete
[11:33:42] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: \0/
[11:33:47] <PetefromTn_> what are we yappin' about..
[11:34:03] <CaptHindsight> DIY pultrusions
[11:34:03] <PetefromTn_> :D
[11:34:29] <PetefromTn_> OK Lemme google that ;)
[11:36:12] <CaptHindsight> fiberglass t-slot pultrusions could be another construction material for diyers
[11:36:42] <CaptHindsight> sell in 8ft lengths, easily cut at home to size
[11:36:52] <ssi> that'd be pretty awesome actually
[11:37:09] <ssi> if it were significantly cheaper than aluminum tslot of comparable size
[11:39:39] <PetefromTn_> sounds like an extruded fiber/epoxy or something... I guess it would move pretty slowly thru the machine, are you building one Capt?
[11:40:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/building-materials/struts-and-framing/8020/1515lite97-112-x-112-lite-tslotted-profile-97-stock-bar?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=CMf-s5GE8cMCFQYJaQodKJYABg
[11:41:23] <CaptHindsight> $47.95 ea. for 97" @ 8.5lbs
[11:42:17] <CaptHindsight> $5.64.lb in aluminum - list price
[11:43:03] <CaptHindsight> or ~$1/ft is that profile
[11:43:14] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRjU4na-ol8
[11:43:44] <CaptHindsight> sorry $6/ft
[11:44:42] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, http://www.frame-world.com/ its next door for you
[11:45:18] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: you'd think so but I buy from Steiner right down the street from them
[11:45:37] <tjtr33> hahah ok
[11:45:40] <CaptHindsight> frame-world only sells through distis
[11:45:52] <CaptHindsight> the nearest disti is in Elk Grove :)
[11:46:16] <tjtr33> ah, saves me a trip. i avoid salespirates like plague
[11:47:03] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty reasonable pricing for that extrusion no?
[11:47:22] <PetefromTn_> I have never bought any of that stuff
[11:47:24] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: in onesy twosey
[11:47:45] <PetefromTn_> my local customer has a lot of it and I have machined parts for him to go with the extrusions etc
[11:48:08] <PetefromTn_> he uses it for simple welding jigs and stuff for the bicycle frames parts
[11:48:16] <CaptHindsight> ssi was just saying that if it could be made lower cost in a pultrusion it would be popular
[11:48:48] <PetefromTn_> that is an interesting idea.. I just watched another video of pultrusion with CF
[11:49:01] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if that is how they make CF tubing?
[11:49:26] <PetefromTn_> never saw it before
[11:49:35] <CaptHindsight> there was a fiberglass t-slot supplier 10 years ago, but they went under
[11:49:39] <jdh> Pete: local hand made framemaker?
[11:49:52] <PetefromTn_> like CF arrow shafts and stabilizer bars etc..
[11:50:05] <PetefromTn_> jdh ?
[11:50:34] <CaptHindsight> CF tubing is made differently
[11:50:40] <jdh> you make things for a frame maler?
[11:50:43] <CaptHindsight> well you could make it that way
[11:50:44] <jdh> maker
[11:50:45] <PetefromTn_> they make bike frames for recumbent bicucles...
[11:50:50] <PetefromTn_> bicycles
[11:50:51] <jdh> oh. blah
[11:51:02] <PetefromTn_> why blah?
[11:51:13] <jdh> recumbblah
[11:51:20] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE recumbent bikes..
[11:51:24] <CaptHindsight> but the string CF tubes are made with woven fiber and then they impregnate it with epoxy
[11:51:32] <PetefromTn_> I have one I built myself from scratch..
[11:51:33] <CaptHindsight> string/strong
[11:51:36] <jdh> yeah. all you old farts do
[11:51:44] <PetefromTn_> I am only 43 ass
[11:52:05] <jdh> yeah. sad to be so young and an old fart
[11:52:15] <PetefromTn_> besides I would argue that recumbents are for YOUNG people even more than old ones...
[11:52:28] <PetefromTn_> people who want to go REALLY FAST!
[11:52:47] <PetefromTn_> and want their junk to work when they want to have kids later on...
[11:52:53] <jdh> my latest bike was made in Ooltewah. down the road from you
[11:52:57] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://media.techeblog.com/images/lfalexus.jpg weave the CF
[11:53:06] <Cromaglious> jdh 43 is young... I myself just entered middle age and I'm 50
[11:53:14] <PetefromTn_> shit that is complicated looking hehe
[11:53:35] <jdh> Crom. I'm oldrr than you!
[11:53:37] <PetefromTn_> I agree I feel pretty young even tho I have had some health issues before...
[11:53:49] <jdh> but I'm not an old fart yet
[11:53:49] <PetefromTn_> what bike was that?
[11:53:52] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: so you have a woven tube that you coat with epoxy
[11:54:26] <jdh> Pete: Lynskey Sportive - Titanium
[11:55:10] <SpeedEvil> Or impregnate with epoxy before it goes into the weaving process
[11:55:22] <PetefromTn_> OOh so you got an uber overpriced diamond frame then hehehe
[11:55:52] <jdh> I was happy enough for what I paid.
[11:56:00] <SpeedEvil> In principle with the proper weaving, you can customise the exact stresses and stiffnesses tobe right in each part of the structure - with no fixings or weldings
[11:56:09] <SpeedEvil> This is complex alas
[11:56:11] <jdh> <¬ cheap bastard
[11:56:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah cheap bastard riding the $2k bicycle..
[11:57:16] <PetefromTn_> You'd freaking love this place man. when the weather is not freezing there are thousands of those bikes rolling around the hills here and up into the Great Smoky Mountains National Park area..
[11:57:47] <jdh> heh. $2k would have made me really happy.
[11:58:34] <PetefromTn_> https://proporzionedivina.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/day9buatois1web2.jpg I have a friend with one of these...
[11:58:38] <PetefromTn_> he let me ride it...
[11:58:45] <PetefromTn_> that thing is kick ass
[12:00:01] <brlcad> seb_kuzminsky: hello, I'm here as well if you're available to talk
[12:00:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.bicishoprecu.com/joomla/images/Modelli_Optima/baronorange.jpg I REALLY Like the Optima Baron....nice lines and FAST!!
[12:00:57] <PetefromTn_> They are just so damn comfortable to ride too...
[12:00:59] <seb_kuzminsky> brlcad: who are you?
[12:01:23] <seb_kuzminsky> brlcad: oh, i just saw your email, ok
[12:02:18] <PetefromTn_> my personal recumbent is a home built frame I tig welded and it has a SWB frame with under seat steering. I love it but it makes people nervous riding it when they never tried it before... It takes a little getting used to....
[12:02:34] <jdh> pete: to each I suppose. they just dont do anything for me.
[12:02:45] <PetefromTn_> have you ever ridden one?
[12:03:11] <jdh> nope.
[12:03:35] <Cromaglious> UGH trying to figure out a font in a PDF where all the text has been converted to curse so it loses font info
[12:03:41] <PetefromTn_> If you are into bikes and cycling at all you need to try one... a GOOD one...and have someone who knows how to properly set it up for you do it...
[12:03:43] <Cromaglious> curve
[12:03:55] <Cromaglious> mmmmmm TIG
[12:04:48] <PetefromTn_> the only reason NOT to have a nice recumbent over a diamond frame is if you live where there is nothing but really tall hills.... but they are popular here where there is hills as well so that depends on your level of fitness I suppose..
[12:05:11] <Cromaglious> I really need to get a TIG setup
[12:05:35] <jdh> I'm pretty sure I would get run over on that here
[12:05:45] <Cromaglious> I have a Felt 90 and my knees are blown out so I'm thinking about getting a electric front wheel
[12:05:52] <PetefromTn_> It IS a bit harder to climb steep hills on one due to the fact that you cannot use your body weight on the pedals to assist you but they are so efficient it kind of offsets that somewhat.
[12:06:29] <Rab> Recumbent bah, you haven't lived until you've stepped up to an ElliptiGO.
[12:06:32] <PetefromTn_> They also have HIGH racers that are not so low but almost as efficient.... these are pretty cool to ride too...
[12:07:35] <jdh> heh. I saw an elliptigo here last summer
[12:07:39] <PetefromTn_> LOL elliptigo...
[12:07:47] <jdh> guy was working his ass off
[12:08:11] <PetefromTn_> http://test.rbr.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/performer-recumbent-hr-superman.jpg decent High racer..
[12:08:11] <Rab> jdh, you can spot recumbents here from a mile away because they all sport multiple, like, day-glo golf course flags...getting run over is a serious threat on any bike.
[12:09:03] <PetefromTn_> I have ridden almost every style of bike there is... I RIDE a recumbent all the time when the weather is nice. Would not have it any other way...
[12:10:29] <PetefromTn_> My wife was apprehensive about getting one so I bought here a decent diamond frame cross tour style bike.
[12:11:09] <PetefromTn_> now whenever we go for a ride after we ride for a bit she complains her neck hurts and her butt hurts from the seat and I could go ride on for hours...
[12:12:07] <PetefromTn_> she just does not feel comfortable on my Under seat Steered recumbent which is understandable it is very different but super comfortable once you get used to it..
[12:13:02] <PetefromTn_> http://s2.hubimg.com/u/1792595_f520.jpg This bike has USS steering..
[12:13:15] <jdh> neck pain is a poorly fitted bike
[12:13:15] <Rab> jdh, I only know about ElliptiGO because my gf and I saw one while we were riding. We were laughing it up, assuming we'd drop him immediately...but then we were hammering hard and he just kept striding up behind. It was terrifying, like something from Terminator 2.
[12:13:44] <PetefromTn_> no it's not we had a pro bike shop set it up for her LOL...
[12:13:56] <Rab> He passed us and his calves were like coffee cans.
[12:14:14] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[12:14:16] <PetefromTn_> Coffee cans
[12:14:27] <jdh> if it were set up right, her neck wouldnt hutt
[12:15:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I had several different quality diamond frame bikes and I experienced the same issues with sore butt and neck...
[12:15:20] <PetefromTn_> nevermind the danger of getting in an accident on one...
[12:15:26] <CaptHindsight> was just thinking about CF T-Slot
[12:15:47] <PetefromTn_> there are tons of people with spinal injuries from riding diamond frame bikes and having wrecks..
[12:16:09] <PetefromTn_> first thing that happens is you go over the freakin handlebars
[12:16:35] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: have you ever used these? http://dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=102
[12:16:37] <Tom_itx> they shouldn't be riding them on the death road in the first place...
[12:16:59] <PetefromTn_> no I have not but those look cool capt.
[12:17:06] <CaptHindsight> http://dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=169
[12:17:07] <PetefromTn_> death road?
[12:17:34] <PetefromTn_> woah those are cool..
[12:18:05] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx My family and I ride on the greenbelts here or on the roads up to the National park. Either one is pretty safe really..
[12:18:34] <PetefromTn_> the greenbelts the only vehicles allowed are golf carts used by the city..
[12:18:42] <ssi> just got the ball rolling on buying that other airplane :P
[12:18:46] <ssi> that makes four
[12:18:56] * ssi is out his damn mind
[12:18:57] <CaptHindsight> how about a CF bike frame kit?
[12:19:05] <Connor> ssi Where are you going to put it?
[12:19:10] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i was kidding but... http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/deathroad/deathroad_index.php
[12:19:12] <ssi> I guess I'm gonna pick up another hangar
[12:19:21] <jdh> what is this ome?
[12:19:21] <PetefromTn_> there are MANY CF bike frames available..
[12:19:23] <jdh> one?
[12:19:24] <ssi> RV6
[12:19:26] <Connor> Why do you need/want it ?
[12:19:36] <CaptHindsight> the neck and hub for the cranks are not off the shelf but just about everything else is
[12:20:02] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: anything for under $200ea
[12:20:17] <ssi> cause it's underpriced, it's fast enough that I can travel in, I can build tailwheel time which will help with the insurance on the RV7 when I get it done
[12:20:21] <ssi> I'll sell it once the RV7 is done of course
[12:20:29] <PetefromTn_> Its funny Tom when I visited South America a few times we took bus rides on roads like that. SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!
[12:20:49] <Connor> What's the main diff on RV6 vs RV7 ?
[12:20:58] <PetefromTn_> those bus drivers are fearless I swear..
[12:20:59] <ssi> they're extremely similar
[12:21:24] <ssi> RV7 is the newer style kit, the cnc prepunched style, has the new style solid aluminum spars, and it's slightly bigger in the interior and has a bigger tail
[12:21:29] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Doubtful hehe. Most are vacuum formed with aluminum cores in high strength areas..
[12:22:38] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I was thinking to sell the hub, neck and seat post areas along with sections of tube
[12:22:51] <CaptHindsight> you cut it to size yourself
[12:23:24] <CaptHindsight> can people apply adhesive properly?
[12:23:47] <PetefromTn_> I should tell my bike builder friend about this stuff tho..
[12:24:00] <PetefromTn_> he is working on a new recumbent trike design right now.
[12:24:13] <CaptHindsight> I know some people with cnc machines to make the complex parts :)
[12:24:33] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I know right..
[12:24:47] <PetefromTn_> I have NOTHING going on right now and it really sucks...
[12:25:49] <CaptHindsight> could be a poopstarter
[12:34:32] <CaptHindsight> https://goodwinds.com/connectors.html CF connectors
[12:41:04] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8MkbmXq2iE LOL
[12:42:57] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHbjYCYU53Q My idea of a CF bike frame hehehe...
[12:44:07] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: Death wish? :)
[12:45:16] <PetefromTn_> LOVE IT!!
[12:45:59] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You almost hit the bus there...
[12:46:30] <PetefromTn_> Naah it's so low it would just ride right under hehe
[12:46:54] <LeelooMinai> Or you would get stuck and get dragged over the city for whole day:)
[12:47:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah but at least you are outside gettng some fresh air!
[12:47:48] <CaptHindsight> maybe suction cups on your helmet to better attach yourself to the bottom of the trailer
[12:47:57] <LeelooMinai> Maybe you should at least have one of those flags on a pole so people can see you:)
[12:48:25] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: doesn't help
[12:48:29] <LeelooMinai> I don't think drivers expect bikes that are like half a meter high:)
[12:48:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RwSXMZyXq0 Actually this is a nice carbon bike for everyday riding..
[12:49:04] <PetefromTn_> That other thing is a purpose built racing bike
[12:49:16] <PetefromTn_> just happened to be riding it on the roads in that video LOL...
[12:49:31] <CaptHindsight> I use to have a really low red convertible and old people would rear end me at stop lights
[12:49:42] <PetefromTn_> Miata?
[12:49:47] <CaptHindsight> alfa
[12:50:10] <PetefromTn_> nice
[12:50:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/spider-1966-up/149001d1250699498-1986-alfa-spider-air-conditioning-alfa1.jpg after the 3rd time I gave up
[12:51:42] <SpeedEvil> nice
[12:51:58] <SpeedEvil> Add massive bull-bars on the back, painted red :)
[12:52:13] <CaptHindsight> with strobes
[12:52:24] <CaptHindsight> people are too blind here
[12:52:36] <SpeedEvil> A bouncy castle that rapidly inflates when you drop below 5MPH
[12:52:45] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine being back on a motorcycle again here
[12:53:21] <CaptHindsight> collision sensor and rocket launcher
[12:53:44] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe/ballscrew.html
[12:53:52] <zeeshan> damn this page took 2 hours to do
[12:53:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAHvFxvOyY
[12:54:02] <zeeshan> at this rate my whole site will take a month!
[12:54:38] <Rab> zeeshan, it's hard work.
[12:54:46] <zeeshan> :{
[12:55:06] <Rab> That's why I only ever put up the inconsequential stuff.
[12:55:07] <PetefromTn_> I think if he reaches 88MPH he will be going back to the future LOL...
[12:55:28] <zeeshan> rab i think this will look good for a job application
[12:55:31] <zeeshan> putting it on the resume :D
[12:55:44] <zeeshan> rab link to your website? :D
[12:55:52] <Rab> zeeshan, I wish clicking a thumbnail would bring up a larger image. Like, this doesn't tell me a whole lot: http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/lathe/code_th.png
[12:55:57] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/
[12:56:04] <zeeshan> rab
[12:56:07] <zeeshan> i havent made those pages yet
[12:56:15] <Rab> zeeshan, okok
[12:56:16] <zeeshan> that right pane is a navigation pane for the sub page
[12:56:24] <zeeshan> only did the main lathe page
[12:56:26] <zeeshan> and ball screw
[12:57:07] <zeeshan> i like your layout
[12:57:33] <Rab> Thanks man, steal anything.
[12:58:35] <Rab> I copied the idea from this site, which I really think is the best-designed page on the web: http://yaml.org/
[12:58:37] <zeeshan> that flashcut driver
[12:58:39] <zeeshan> is pretty interesting
[12:59:08] <zeeshan> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/fcdriver/image/IB462_lid.jpg
[12:59:09] <zeeshan> jeez
[12:59:10] <zeeshan> haha
[12:59:54] <Rab> Think so? I like that it's all off-the-shelf parts, using basically the reference design from the datasheet...I know if I fry the output, I can just order another one from Mouser for $5.
[13:00:05] <zeeshan> well the look of it
[13:00:08] <zeeshan> that heatsink design
[13:00:25] <zeeshan> yea they're no AMC
[13:00:27] <Rab> Yeah, it's a little weird.
[13:01:00] <Cromaglious> nice heatsink
[13:01:08] <Rab> I've found several different datasheets for IB462, by different companies. I think there's some nameless OEM putting them out for companies to rebrand.
[13:03:04] <Rab> I'd be interested to see the different between the IB462 (2A) and IB463 (3.5A).
[13:03:44] <zeeshan> rab this is a servo driver?
[13:03:55] <Rab> Haha, no, very basic stepper driver.
[13:05:22] <Rab> I'm going add switches to the FleshCut box to enable half-stepping of the drivers...kinda lame that they didn't wire that up.
[13:06:50] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3cvfR8Mzg Womens HPV world record....
[13:09:04] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviews/why-you-should-be-riding-steel-and-not-carbon
[13:09:35] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vG1bzY4JUw Interesting...
[13:09:38] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: ^^ from the steel bike frame makers
[13:17:03] <PetefromTn_> its kind of funny you posted that. MOST recumbent bike frames are some sort of steel. The worlds fastest bikes are also typically steel framed faired bikes. They are also not exactly light either...
[13:18:04] <CaptHindsight> I think it's due to the lack of understanding how to make the tubes and how to bond the joints
[13:19:36] <PetefromTn_> altho my favorite the Optima Baron is actually aluminum framed.
[13:24:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140814-designer-james-novak-creates-stunning-3d-printed-bike-frame.html
[13:24:58] <CaptHindsight> I hear the print only took 4 months
[13:26:08] <CaptHindsight> was actually <2 days using SLA
[13:28:37] <Rab> Wonder which plane the frame was printed on.
[13:30:37] <CaptHindsight> most laser SLA printers have a larger XY than Z
[13:30:42] <PetefromTn_> WOW there is NO WAY I would ride that thing...
[13:31:18] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Top Gear went on one of their silly trips along the Bolivian road, there was a lot of swearing.
[13:31:21] <Rab> I doubt he would be willing to ride it either. ;)
[13:31:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah I noticed there were not photos of anyone actually riding it heh
[13:33:10] <SpeedEvil> I mean - maybe if it was CF or really good steel
[13:33:18] <SpeedEvil> but even then I think more bracing would be needed
[13:33:46] <PetefromTn_> there is also about zero adjustment in that frame
[13:33:49] <jdh> looks springy
[13:33:51] <Rab> Very weird how the chain goes through the frame, and without much clearance. Seems like a recipe for catastrophic failure.
[13:34:09] <PetefromTn_> also no brakes!
[13:34:33] <PetefromTn_> Lots of bikes have the chain run thru the frame tho..
[13:35:24] <Rab> Chain vs resin
[13:36:43] <CaptHindsight> I want to see him riding it down that Bolivian road
[13:38:20] <CaptHindsight> "This is what happens when industrial designers delude themselves that they understand engineering. Please James, stick to detergent bottle design."
[13:38:30] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I found video of the bike testing
[13:38:32] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQDy50V0foc
[13:39:21] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhlt1fsnhVE HPV flight!!
[13:42:03] <CaptHindsight> so being launched from a giant slingshot that was pulled by 1K men doesn't count?
[13:42:48] <PetefromTn_> no but it sounds like fun!
[13:43:14] <SpeedEvil> It's really easy.
[13:43:36] <SpeedEvil> Small efficient diesel engine, and biodiesel from lipo
[13:43:39] <SpeedEvil> HPV
[13:43:51] <unfy> eat bacon, obtain flight
[13:44:01] <CaptHindsight> does humans used as fuel count?
[13:44:09] <PetefromTn_> you mean eat beans no?
[13:44:23] <unfy> if it's from lipo, bacon!
[13:44:51] <CaptHindsight> are there any bacon powered engines?
[13:45:01] <FinboySlick> Human powered helicopter was one of the student competitions at my university.
[13:45:16] <CaptHindsight> burn to heat water, steam but thats pretty inefficient
[13:46:00] <FinboySlick> http://www.humanpoweredhelicopters.org/helios/helios_fiche_technique.pdf
[13:46:54] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: was that before this project? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJq10EQkog
[13:47:24] <ssi> FinboySlick: I always wanted to submit a human powered helicopter design which was just a small turbine helicopter
[13:47:29] <ssi> with pureed human as fuel
[13:47:32] <ssi> turbines will burn anything
[13:47:57] <CaptHindsight> alternative burials
[13:48:11] <CaptHindsight> we pay you for your loved ones
[13:48:13] <witnit_> burial at stmosphere
[13:48:21] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Yes, it was early 2000s.
[13:48:28] <unfy> that pdf wants you to generate 0.8HP to fly ?
[13:48:37] <CaptHindsight> "Cash for Grandpas"
[13:48:56] <unfy> wikipedia says: When considering human-powered equipment, a healthy human can produce about 1.2 hp briefly (see orders of magnitude) and sustain about 0.1 hp indefinitely; trained athletes can manage up to about 2.5 hp briefly[15] and 0.3 hp for a period of several hours.
[13:49:41] <CaptHindsight> how about a horse powered one?
[13:49:48] <ssi> horses weigh too much
[13:49:49] <FinboySlick> unfy: The goal was to be at least n meters from the floor for about a minute.
[13:49:52] <ssi> power density is poor
[13:50:08] <CaptHindsight> maybe just horse legs then
[13:50:21] <ssi> lol
[13:50:25] <unfy> finboy: i can see a serious athlete being able to do that with the design (assuming it works), then
[13:50:29] <PetefromTn_> you guys kill me...
[13:52:12] <FinboySlick> They developed some sort of wonder-tech for the human-powered submarine and were trying to apply it to the helicopter challenge.
[13:53:01] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure how it worked, it was a bit like an ECU for the human motor ;)
[13:54:41] <ssi> PetefromTn_: this NOVA vid you linked is very much like what my day to day life is like
[13:54:47] <ssi> except they have way awesomer mustaches and glasses
[13:55:07] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to move to north GA and work with you then.... that shit looks like fun!
[13:55:18] <ssi> it's fun!
[13:55:23] <ssi> I've wanted to build a cnc hotwire btw
[13:55:26] <ssi> for composite wings
[13:56:19] <PetefromTn_> If I thought I could make some money on it I would be down there helping you I am having difficulty finding work around here no matter how much I beg LOL...
[13:56:46] <FinboySlick> Would sink-edm be difficult to homebrew?
[13:56:47] <ssi> I have a friend that works for an AE/ME subcontractor for the USAF in macon
[13:56:54] <FinboySlick> The mechanics aren't that complicated.
[13:56:57] <ssi> and he needs more good machine shop contractors
[13:57:06] <ssi> he wanted to use me for a project but my machine wasn't ready obviously
[13:57:29] <PetefromTn_> well like I said man I am ALWAYS open to looking at work for the machines...
[13:58:22] <Connor> Damn it. I had to park my SVU at the bottom of the drive way yesterday.. Today.. it won't start.. battery completely dead.
[13:58:55] <Connor> I'm thinking the increased exposure, and the fact that I have a Iphone as a GPS plugged in all the time caused it.
[13:59:15] <PetefromTn_> jeeez that sucks... but probably
[13:59:30] <Connor> I've got the charger on it.. MAN it pegged it out.
[13:59:39] <Connor> It's a AMCO Gold Battery too.
[14:00:12] <jdh> Im hoping winter is over today
[14:00:22] <ssi> I wonder if they ever get this thing out of ground effect
[14:00:25] <ssi> ground effect is cheating
[14:01:15] <FinboySlick> jdh: I think you'll have to keep hoping for a little while.
[14:01:47] <Connor> ssi: ground effect ?
[14:02:03] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_(aerodynamics)
[14:02:14] <ssi> within a wingspan of the ground, drag is drastically reduced
[14:02:50] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it seems like it is too high to get any real ground effect
[14:03:15] <PetefromTn_> when it was out over the ocean it looked like it was at least 50 feet up or more...most of the time
[14:03:16] <ssi> it has like a 100' wingspan, and it's only been 30' or so off the ground that I've seen in the video thus far
[14:03:19] <ssi> still in the second one tho
[14:03:39] <Tom_itx> Connor, i've got fwd/rev spindle working with the C6 now
[14:03:46] <Connor> Tom_itx: Nice.
[14:03:47] <PetefromTn_> they actually broke all records for human powered flight with it. shattered them more like it..
[14:03:59] <ssi> sure... it's a hard problem
[14:04:09] <ssi> just sayin that ground effect is cheating :)
[14:04:16] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: ask tjtr33
[14:05:02] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if it is cheating really. It IS the most efficient means of flight after all
[14:05:45] <Connor> I wish I had a start booster..
[14:06:02] <ssi> yeah and coasting downhill is the most efficient means of ground transport
[14:06:18] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Nu94khHoo
[14:06:19] <ssi> I bet I can set the world record for human powered ground transport
[14:06:23] <ssi> if I can coast downhill infinitely :)
[14:15:53] <PetefromTn_> I wouldn't doubt it hehe
[14:16:46] <PetefromTn_> there is a LONG hill near my house coming down from the top of the world area and it is a relativley long straight road. I know a couple people who have taken bikes down it..
[14:17:05] <PetefromTn_> I think if I went down it on my recumbent bike I would probably crash and die...
[14:17:44] <PetefromTn_> but I still have wondered what it would be like....just going down short hills on that thing feels like 90MPH... that would be insane fast down that hill...
[14:18:09] <PetefromTn_> even in my truck I can coast for miles after leaving the steep curvy part...
[14:25:29] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCl3lfAx1Q Having spent MANY hours as a navigator in C-130 aircraft I simply cannot imagine what this must have been like...INSANE!!
[14:30:25] <tjtr33> FinboySlick, https://videobin.org/+8ku/bfq.html
[14:33:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/EN-US/DIVISIONS/EFD/PRODUCTS/VALVE-SYSTEMS/SPRAY-VALVES/Pages/general-purpose-spray-valve.aspx they want $1650 for this spray valve
[14:35:04] <Cromaglious> for work it's a tax write off, and if you can afford that, then you can afford the tax write off
[14:35:57] <PetefromTn_> what are you going to do with these valves Capt? Is this for your wild color anodizing stuff?
[14:36:32] <CaptHindsight> coating small parts with minimal loss of material
[14:37:16] <CaptHindsight> looks like I'll have to make them since I need a few hundred
[14:37:33] <tjtr33> sink edm machine porn, 7 axis for aero http://www.yawjet.com/en/product/7-Axes-CNC-EDM/7axes_cnc_edm.html
[14:37:34] <PetefromTn_> wow
[14:38:00] <PetefromTn_> are you going to use the airbrush carcasses you were looking into earlier.
[14:38:07] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, hack fuel injectors?
[14:38:20] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: done that as well
[14:38:33] <CaptHindsight> might again for the actuator
[14:38:54] <CaptHindsight> just add nozzle and air cap
[14:38:55] <PetefromTn_> it sounds like you get to play with some cool and interesting projects...JEALOUS!!
[14:39:07] <ssi> PetefromTn_: the jet assist landing stuff was a terrible idea haha
[14:39:21] <PetefromTn_> actually they did use it a good bit.
[14:39:28] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: hurry up with the lathe maybe you can machine them for me :)
[14:39:33] <PetefromTn_> just that extreme version failed..
[14:39:41] <PetefromTn_> seriously...!
[14:39:45] <MattyMatt> anyone want 13 tons of capstan lathes? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-Lot-Metal-Working-Machines-Lathes-drills-grinders-Ect/391057502857
[14:39:46] <PetefromTn_> I am working on it man..
[14:39:58] <ssi> they used JATO a lot, but I don't think JAL vreally ever got used beyond the failed tests
[14:39:59] <PetefromTn_> waiting for cash from tax return right now tho..
[14:40:24] <PetefromTn_> our planes were actually equipped with the jato parts but of course we never used them.
[14:40:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/en-us/divisions/efd/Literature/Manuals/Valve-Systems/Valves/Nordson-EFD-781S-SS-Maintenance-Guide.pdf look at page 2 for the parts
[14:40:48] <ssi> I didn't know you were a herc navigator
[14:41:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah was for a couple years
[14:41:11] <PetefromTn_> also radio and avionicsmen...
[14:41:22] <PetefromTn_> Don't remember shit about it now tho hehe..
[14:41:28] <ssi> heheh
[14:42:00] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: DIg deeper into the memory - maybe you were an astronaut too:)
[14:42:07] <PetefromTn_> I flew all around US, to Hawaii, guam, fiji, up to alaska, down to South America and Baja Peninsula etc..
[14:42:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nordson.com/en-us/divisions/efd/Literature/Manuals/Valve-Systems/Valves/Nordson-EFD-787MS-Maintenance-Guid.pdf $1250 for the smaller ones
[14:42:36] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai you don't believe me?
[14:42:50] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: No, I do, why not - j/k
[14:42:58] <PetefromTn_> I have pictures!!
[14:43:19] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:43:34] <LeelooMinai> When I played EVE online there was many former pilots playing it - go figure:)
[14:43:48] <PetefromTn_> not familiar with that.
[14:43:59] <PetefromTn_> Used to play Myst and Riven tho hehe
[14:44:12] <PetefromTn_> kinda wish I still had it that was fun stuff.
[14:44:17] <ssi> I haven't tried eve, but I would like to
[14:44:25] <ssi> also that other one that I think Loetmichel plays
[14:44:27] <LeelooMinai> It's a sandbox space game - pretty complicated and massive
[14:44:31] <ssi> adjective: adjective or whatever
[14:44:40] <ssi> elite:dangerous
[14:45:07] <LeelooMinai> Run by a company in Icland called CCP
[14:45:19] <PetefromTn_> My wife enjoyed Myst and Riven too in fact she was talking about trying to get a copy again to play with. we never did finish any of them LOL
[14:45:24] <ssi> yea a friend of mine is dating a guy that works for CCP
[14:45:28] <ssi> he was living here in atlanta for a minute
[14:45:39] <ssi> then he moved back to iceland and took her with him
[14:46:02] <Loetmichel> ssi: elite:dangerous
[14:46:08] <ssi> ya
[14:46:10] <ssi> it looks interesting
[14:46:11] <PetefromTn_> he musta been a helluva guy to move to freakin' iceland with him LOL
[14:46:18] <LeelooMinai> I played it for year or two, but had to go "cold turkey" to concentrate on hobby stuff. But if I had two lives I would still play it:)
[14:46:22] <ssi> I'm also fond of kerbal space program
[14:46:27] <skunkworks> gog.com (good old games)
[14:46:43] <MattyMatt> conner have you seen car batteries replaced by supercaps? they sound more dependable for cold starting, if you don't run them flat of course
[14:47:28] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: problems of supercaps is that you have one or two starting trys
[14:47:31] <Loetmichel> tries
[14:47:40] <MattyMatt> arr
[14:47:45] <Loetmichel> because the have much less capacity than a lead-acid block
[14:47:49] <Cromaglious> I'm not looking forward to changing my starter in my cadillac
[14:47:51] <MattyMatt> I'd have batteries+ caps
[14:48:01] <Loetmichel> although thei do not have the problem of high cold resistance
[14:48:05] <Cromaglious> new battery, new alternator
[14:48:17] <Loetmichel> bateris AND caps is the master way, yes
[14:48:33] <Cromaglious> the only thing left iss the starter. It's in the V under the intake manifold
[14:48:39] <MattyMatt> in severe cold, even a new battery struggles to deliver high current
[14:48:54] <Cromaglious> it's 71 outside
[14:49:13] * Loetmichel has started his 2.5 liter 6cyl diesel successfully with a 4 cell 2300mAh Liefepo4 pack frommy copters
[14:49:14] <MattyMatt> with both, you could use the caps, then let them trickle charge from the battery
[14:49:25] <Loetmichel> multiple times, even in the -10° cold
[14:49:48] <Loetmichel> just have the pack in your trisers pocet bnefore connecting it to the dead lead acid battery ;-)
[14:50:05] <Loetmichel> trousers pocket for a while to warm it up
[14:51:06] <Loetmichel> these packs: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11184
[14:51:06] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4900064581.html Good deal I think..
[14:51:07] <MattyMatt> I has a 1980s citroen with a starting handle
[14:51:11] <MattyMatt> that was handy
[14:51:19] <MattyMatt> had
[14:51:28] <Loetmichel> try that on a big engine
[14:51:40] * Loetmichel friends had 2 tatra 813
[14:51:52] <Loetmichel> (17.5 liters V12 diesel)
[14:52:16] <Loetmichel> which had a starting crank provided...
[14:52:21] <Loetmichel> for four people ;-)
[14:52:43] <Loetmichel> we tried it once in the summer
[14:53:01] <MattyMatt> all vehicles have that, it's called "you 3 get behind and push"
[14:53:03] <Loetmichel> nearly impossible to get the engine running even with 4 work hardened 100kg guys ;-)
[14:53:10] <furrywolf> I have a hard enough time starting my pull-cord generator.
[14:53:33] <furrywolf> MattyMatt: unless they have a non-real gearbox, in which case you're screwed.
[14:53:46] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: i meant an actual crank you could plug in the front onf the engines Flywheel
[14:53:53] <Loetmichel> to turn the engine
[14:54:23] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: tatra 813 are 19 ton 4 axle trucks
[14:54:24] <MattyMatt> on the citroen it was also the wheel brace
[14:54:33] <Loetmichel> good lick with pushing them ;-)
[14:54:39] <Loetmichel> luck
[14:55:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/tatra_1_koffer_16.html <- there you can see the hole for the crank (above the tow coupling)
[14:56:08] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions.png http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions%202.png not nearly as easy as they make it sound. at all. the happy little engine they show? it actually hates you.
[14:56:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/tatra_1_koffer_17.html <- full RV ;-)
[14:57:13] <Loetmichel> (yes, we made a mobile home of it ;-)
[14:57:35] <furrywolf> lol
[14:57:40] <_methods> now that's an RV
[14:57:41] <furrywolf> I want to make an rv out of an expandovan.
[14:57:43] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: you should eat mor german food ;)
[14:58:32] <_methods> german invasion RV lol
[14:58:56] <Loetmichel> how about this one, _methods? -> http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/man_630_l2a_fertig_35.html
[14:59:12] <Loetmichel> inside: http://www.landscaper.de/Fahrzeugdaten/Fruhere_Fahrzeuge/HTML%20Fruhere%20Fahrzeuge/630_l2a_innen.html
[14:59:20] <_methods> nice
[14:59:41] <furrywolf> http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/bigmak1987/my%20Future%20RV/deployment013.jpg one of those. forget having a little popout... both sides extend out the full length of the truck.
[15:00:37] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: we used to drive them to maroc, algeria, libya, west sahara
[15:00:42] <Loetmichel> for vacation ;)
[15:00:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/595801/fullsize/van13.jpg
[15:01:35] <ssi> speaking of RVs
[15:01:39] <ssi> Loetmichel: I'm buying another airplane :P
[15:01:42] <Loetmichel> ... in full comfort of course, we are germans after all ;-)
[15:03:03] <_methods> now that's a van
[15:03:14] <PetefromTn_> exactly...
[15:03:23] <Loetmichel> i remember one trip to libya, where whe had to hire a local to tell us the way... ( libyans seem not to know abut gps at that time)... we made camp in the evening in the middle of the desert, and the driver asked the locad if he wanted to shower, too...
[15:03:34] <Loetmichel> local: "what SHOPERING? HERE?"
[15:03:38] <Loetmichel> "yes"
[15:03:50] <Loetmichel> local" HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU HAVE?"
[15:03:58] <PetefromTn_> You gotta be freakin' insane to go to Libya for vacation man...
[15:04:03] <Loetmichel> <- "only about 3000 liters per truck, why?
[15:04:03] <ssi> agreed
[15:05:00] <Loetmichel> it was 10+ years ago, there still was gaddafi at the top, it was reaonably safe then
[15:05:29] <PetefromTn_> did you at least have a 50 cal cannot on top of that thing?
[15:05:35] <Loetmichel> no
[15:05:41] <PetefromTn_> no machine guns?
[15:05:49] <Loetmichel> germany allows no weapons for private ppl
[15:05:50] <PetefromTn_> not even a pineapple?
[15:06:03] <Loetmichel> no machine weapons
[15:06:03] <ssi> only for extroverts?
[15:06:32] <Loetmichel> we encountered one roadblock on our journey
[15:06:33] <PetefromTn_> I must say Loetmichel you have balls as big as church bells my friend ;)
[15:06:47] <ssi> PetefromTn_: everybody you know has balls as big as church bells apparently!
[15:06:54] <Loetmichel> 2 landrovers and 20 ppl with assault rifles
[15:06:55] <ssi> or is it just me and loet
[15:07:05] <PetefromTn_> apparently or maybe I am just a pussy hehehe
[15:07:09] <ssi> maybe! :D
[15:07:10] <Loetmichel> driver did pedal to the metal and lowered the cow bar...
[15:07:23] <Loetmichel> i have never seen a roadlock cleaned SO fast ;-)
[15:07:37] <Loetmichel> still dont know if that was bandits or police ;-)
[15:07:45] <Deejay> hrhrhr
[15:07:59] <ssi> and here I thought I was being adventurous by going to canada
[15:08:16] <PetefromTn_> might be just as bad LOL
[15:08:20] <Deejay> hi PetefromTn_ btw \o/
[15:08:22] <ssi> you ever piss off a moose?!
[15:08:24] <ssi> it's srs
[15:08:29] <PetefromTn_> HEY DEEJAY!!!
[15:08:39] <Deejay> argh, stop shouting that loud ;)
[15:08:40] <PetefromTn_> how do you do the hands up thing?
[15:08:54] <ssi> lol pete srsly?!
[15:08:54] <furrywolf> I went across the US in an old US military vehicle. the only roadblock was the US police. twice.
[15:09:02] <Loetmichel> i think the roadblock people saw two military trucks in khaki flooring it screaming in at their positon and the leading one lowering his ramming bar to 45°... they thought therer comes the army ;-)
[15:09:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I can't find left one..
[15:09:27] <ssi> it's in different places on different keyboards :P
[15:09:31] <PetefromTn_> \o/
[15:09:34] <PetefromTn_> WOOHOO
[15:09:35] <ssi> there ya go!
[15:09:36] <ssi> now try this one
[15:09:37] <ssi> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[15:09:46] <PetefromTn_> dafuq?
[15:09:50] <Loetmichel> harhar
[15:09:57] <ssi> ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ) settle down!
[15:10:05] <Loetmichel> btw: ever heard a tatra 813 at full throttle?
[15:10:08] <PetefromTn_> settle down nah!
[15:10:10] <ssi> ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻
[15:10:23] <furrywolf> ¡ǝuo sᴉɥʇ ʎɹʇ ʍoN :ǝʇǝԀ
[15:10:30] <ssi> !!
[15:10:38] <PetefromTn_> How the hell do you guys do that shit?
[15:10:41] <Deejay> hrhr
[15:10:43] <ssi> furry wins
[15:10:50] <Deejay> thought the same, ssi
[15:10:53] <furrywolf> me? I'm lazy and went to http://www.upsidedowntext.com/ :P
[15:10:54] <Deejay> ;)
[15:11:09] <PetefromTn_> just copy and paste from there then?
[15:11:11] <furrywolf> yep
[15:11:13] <ssi> ƃuᴉzɐɯɐ sᴉ sᴉɥʇ
[15:11:17] <PetefromTn_> thats cheatin'
[15:11:21] <Tom_itx> well it's all garbage on my screen
[15:11:30] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: your unicode must be broken
[15:11:38] <ssi> l2unicodeplx
[15:11:39] <PetefromTn_> you guys crack me up man..
[15:12:07] <ssi> ⓦⓗⓐⓣ ⓐⓑⓞⓤⓣ ⓣⓗⓘⓢ ⓞⓝⓔ
[15:12:12] <ssi> not so good in a monospace font
[15:12:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah is it supposed to say something?
[15:12:26] <ssi> ⓨ ⓔ ⓢ
[15:12:28] <furrywolf> ssi: that didn't render here
[15:12:34] <furrywolf> nor that
[15:12:35] <PetefromTn_> no not that one the other ones
[15:12:37] <ssi> renders on my terminal
[15:12:44] <_methods> that's all that matters lol
[15:12:48] <ssi> maybe getting lost enroute somewhere
[15:13:00] <PetefromTn_> it says what about this one and yes
[15:13:05] <ssi> yep
[15:13:13] <PetefromTn_> but what about the other stuff
[15:13:24] <ssi> what, the upside down stuff?
[15:13:36] <PetefromTn_> is that what it is?
[15:13:42] <malcom2073> renders on mine
[15:13:44] <PetefromTn_> no not the upside down stuff
[15:13:53] <PetefromTn_> the crazy charachters before that
[15:13:58] <ssi> the tableflips?
[15:14:11] <_methods> whatever
[15:14:12] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell is that?
[15:14:16] <malcom2073> ⓗⓘ ⓢⓢ ⓘ
[15:14:24] <MattyMatt> I can read ⓣⓗⓘⓢ ⓞⓝⓔ
[15:14:25] <PetefromTn_> Ooohhh
[15:14:35] <ssi> the bubble font crams together on my terminal
[15:14:40] <ssi> hard to read, but it's rendered
[15:14:41] <_methods> you guys and your crazy fonts
[15:14:55] <PetefromTn_> how do you do that?
[15:14:59] <furrywolf> bubble font?
[15:15:03] <ssi> with that link furry pasted
[15:15:06] <ssi> there's a bubble font tab
[15:15:12] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cptOpseUXjM#t=29 <- try that, dont find a better one now
[15:15:31] <PetefromTn_> ⓄⒽ ⓄⓀⒶⓎ!!
[15:15:43] <CaptHindsight> it's ascii hour! please no floods
[15:15:44] <ssi> heheh
[15:15:55] <_methods> ascii goatse
[15:15:56] <PetefromTn_> ⒸⓄⓄⓄⓄⓁ
[15:16:24] <Deejay> Loetmichel, i would estimate a full pull?
[15:16:27] <ssi> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[15:16:33] <Loetmichel> Deejay: sure
[15:16:39] <Deejay> *expect
[15:16:43] <_methods> FOOBAR
[15:16:51] <Deejay> yeah, nice smoke :)
[15:17:01] <Loetmichel> i meant the sound of the engine
[15:17:05] <MattyMatt> 𝕿𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖔𝖓𝖊 𝖎𝖘 𝖌𝖔𝖔𝖉
[15:17:06] <PetefromTn_> ssi you gonna name your new plane the good ship lollipop?
[15:17:12] <Loetmichel> if ti revs up to fuill it sounds like a hjet engine
[15:17:15] <ssi> um, hadn't planned on it
[15:17:36] <CaptHindsight> ye olde fonts
[15:17:43] <Deejay> indeed, for a moment i thought "hey, wheres the jet engine?"
[15:17:44] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a good name no?
[15:17:57] <ssi> no?
[15:18:17] <PetefromTn_> how about the flyin' yellow submarine?
[15:18:23] <ssi> but it's not yellow!
[15:18:31] <PetefromTn_> it could be!!
[15:18:33] <Loetmichel> Deejay: it has an air colled engine with a two stage compressor on the front
[15:18:35] <ssi> and wouldnt' that be more of a supermarine?
[15:18:38] <Cromaglious> http://mrsmosesmapcompany.com is the page I'm working on
[15:18:40] <ssi> someone already has that name :)
[15:18:40] <Loetmichel> thats where the sound comes from ;-)
[15:18:49] <PetefromTn_> you can call it ekranoplan!!
[15:19:09] <ssi> but it is capable of getting out of ground effect!
[15:19:14] <ssi> and I know I'm a fatass but cmon man
[15:19:33] <Cromaglious> fixing the picture I notices some issues
[15:19:40] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[15:20:49] <Cromaglious> the bridge, bus and map are all lowres from the pdf
[15:22:18] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/Dt61k8g.jpg
[15:25:33] <Cromaglious> hehe
[15:27:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did any of those older injector have an easy way to swap out nozzles? http://www.rceng.com/images/rc/Injector_Service3_L.jpg
[15:27:59] <Loetmichel> there you can hear it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-opfNsCF320#t=140
[15:29:00] <Loetmichel> imagine TWO of them coming at you at 90kpha, spewing out black cluds and loering their ramming bars ;)
[15:29:05] <Loetmichel> kph
[15:29:07] <MacGalempsy> hello
[15:29:45] <Loetmichel> ... screaming at top RPM ;)
[15:29:59] <_methods> lederhosen all over the place
[15:32:37] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTc0WDY4NQ==/z/-3IAAOxy3HJTGJeD/$_57.JPG these must come apart
[15:32:59] <Cromaglious> nice! Russians make some killer trucks.. though once you get them new from the factory, you have to take it to a shop that takes it apart and puts it back together right
[15:35:25] <Cromaglious> linuxcnc now at version 2.6.6
[15:35:37] <Cromaglious> my machine just upgraded it
[15:36:49] <Loetmichel> Cromaglious: we had one tour where whe had to change the valves 4 times
[15:37:04] <Loetmichel> because of a leak in the air intake after the filter, it ingested desert sand
[15:37:16] <Loetmichel> so we know how to fix them
[15:37:31] <Loetmichel> and they are easy fix if you have a big hammer and an arc welder ;-)
[15:38:40] <Deejay> hrhr, solid russian technology? ;)
[15:39:11] <PetefromTn_> One word......PINZGAUER!!! http://www.autofoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Thor-Movie-Truck.jpg
[15:39:54] <Deejay> unimog ftw!!
[15:40:06] <PetefromTn_> MOG works too....
[15:40:18] * Deejay has two of them: http://zugtier.info/traktoren/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/unimog-406-01.jpg
[15:40:19] <Deejay> :)
[15:40:39] <PetefromTn_> NO SHIT!! Man I am SO jealous..
[15:40:45] <Deejay> hehe
[15:41:01] <PetefromTn_> ya see that I KNEW there was something I liked about you man hehe
[15:41:11] <Deejay> but they are older than i am... nearly 40 years
[15:41:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah but will still climb over or thru anything probably...
[15:41:46] <Deejay> yip! :)
[15:42:16] <PetefromTn_> there is a local guy that has one and he takes it to Home depot for wood supplies as it is mostly a bigass flatbed.
[15:42:59] <PetefromTn_> does yours have 16 forward gears??
[15:43:01] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[15:43:04] <Cromaglious> ohh that video was the Czech Tatra 813
[15:43:23] <Deejay> uh, not sure how many gears they have. too many to count
[15:43:28] <Cromaglious> kinda be kewl to tool around in a 12x12 Tatra
[15:43:54] <PetefromTn_> portal axles....DROOL!!
[15:43:56] <Cromaglious> 4x4 = 16 and 4 reverse
[15:44:27] <Cromaglious> corvair of heavy trucks
[15:44:31] <Cromaglious> swing axles
[15:44:43] <Cromaglious> air cooled diesel
[15:45:38] <Deejay> should be more than 24 gears (still counting)
[15:45:52] <PetefromTn_> thats insane...
[15:46:27] <PetefromTn_> I used to build and four wheel Suzuki Samurai's and always wanted a LWB one.. They never brought them here to the USA.
[15:46:52] <Cromaglious> got really good at fixing cast iron intakes didn't you?
[15:48:07] <PetefromTn_> who?
[15:48:19] <Cromaglious> buddy of mine in Missiouri used to keep one in the back of his Ford 1ton long bed... His backup vehicle for when he needed to go get recues in his big truck
[15:48:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pnw4x4s.com/forum/Garage/uploads/cache/garage_gallery_397371601.jpg?lbisphpreq=1
[15:49:40] <Cromaglious> nicely done!
[15:49:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I WISH that was mine LOL
[15:50:29] <Cromaglious> everyone with a Samurai I know had to fix thier intake and exhaust manifolds at least once every 4 years
[15:51:41] <PetefromTn_> honestly I had over six different samurais and NEVER had a problem with engines on them... Broke other stuff tho.
[15:52:04] <Cromaglious> cage on that is aweful (old sense FULL of awe)
[15:52:25] <Cromaglious> aweful is a great word... dunn why it got the opposite meaning
[15:57:52] <Deejay> hmm, awesome
[15:58:52] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoyed my samurai's...
[15:59:08] <PetefromTn_> had a bunch of them in various different configurations over the years.
[15:59:23] <PetefromTn_> they are about the perfect vehicle for the tight twisty trails around here.
[16:02:39] <PetefromTn_> apparently today is the COLDEST day on record here in Tennessee....
[16:03:10] <jdh> winter sucks
[16:03:50] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell does...
[16:04:26] <Deejay> good night, guys!
[16:05:02] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 Deejay!
[16:10:14] <MacGalempsy> well, the relay board needed a mod, but its now a sourcing board!
[16:11:13] <furrywolf> I have a subaru for little twisty trails... and a 5/4 ton jeep pickup for when brute force is the answer. :)
[16:11:22] <Cromaglious> bbiab just got my 4gb memory for this machine
[16:12:49] <MacGalempsy> PCW: https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16407702220/ problem solved!
[16:13:49] <MacGalempsy> now time to change to colored wires to limit the confusion
[16:16:01] <unfy> mac: was gonna suggest that as well
[16:16:13] <unfy> (go to standardized colors)
[16:16:16] <furrywolf> I've never owned a sammy, but from what I've seen, they're not bad offroad.
[16:17:22] <PetefromTn_> if you build them right they can go about anywhere really...
[16:19:55] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/aHSJzq9.jpg This was my last one I actually daily drove it to work every day LOL...
[16:20:26] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: that short wheelbase and big tires reminds me of that pucker-factor you were talking about last night
[16:20:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah everyone says that but you would me amazed where that little truck has been hehe
[16:21:03] <PetefromTn_> that was actually when I first got it lifted..
[16:21:03] <furrywolf> bah. I need to either repair, re-motor, or replace my air compressor.
[16:21:26] <furrywolf> only thing I have lifted right now is one of my subies.
[16:22:26] <furrywolf> only 2". I should have done 3". probably will re-lift.
[16:23:21] <furrywolf> my truck has 38.5" swampers on it, but no lift.
[16:23:40] <PetefromTn_> Those were the 35" boggers on that zuki...
[16:23:47] <Cromaglious> hmmm missing 1 GB ugh... I'll fix it later
[16:24:20] <furrywolf> next time I get tires, I'll probably go for 42".
[16:24:30] <furrywolf> the 38.5s still look little.
[16:24:53] <furrywolf> but I'll need either wheel spacers or new rims to run taller+wider without rubbing the springs up front.
[16:27:33] <furrywolf> I'll probably go for recentered hmmwv rims
[16:28:38] <PetefromTn_> I'll tell ya what one thing is nice about the Zuks tho is they have awesome heaters in them!!
[16:29:39] <furrywolf> lol
[16:29:52] <furrywolf> I put a '80s ford truck heater in my '68 jeep pickup.
[16:30:09] <furrywolf> with the aid of some cutting and plastic welding.
[16:31:14] <furrywolf> stock it had no heater.
[16:31:26] <furrywolf> and oem heaters are ungodly expensive.
[16:33:58] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
[16:34:24] <brlcad> anyone going to midwest reprap fest?
[16:34:33] <brlcad> (or at it already)
[16:34:57] <_methods> lol
[16:35:24] <_methods> filament fetish convention
[16:35:39] <Cromaglious> I usually go with the skinniest tires I can get with adequate road holding grip
[16:35:59] <brlcad> ah, march 20 not feb 20 .. month early
[16:36:00] <Cromaglious> better mileage and I do better in snow with them
[16:41:33] <cnc> hallo an alle die mich verstehen
[16:41:59] <PetefromTn_> mich who?
[16:42:20] <_methods> lich mich stichen
[16:42:34] <_methods> :)
[16:42:42] <cnc> ??
[16:42:55] <cnc> danke für antwort
[16:42:59] <_methods> yo no hablo espanol
[16:43:16] <cnc> ich suche auf diesem weg hilfe
[16:44:00] <_methods> $8.8million
[16:44:09] <_methods> for esplodin kittay
[16:44:26] <cnc> I'm need help but my English not good
[16:44:48] <_methods> i think there are some german's on here
[16:44:54] <_methods> Loetmichel:
[16:44:56] <Cromaglious> neither is mine.. Then again I'm american
[16:45:39] <Loetmichel> cnc: wo ist das problem?
[16:46:17] <cnc> ach wie schön
[16:46:21] <cnc> ja
[16:46:34] <cnc> wo soll ich anfangen
[16:46:54] <Loetmichel> am besten im query ich glaub nicht daß hier deutsch so gern gesehen wird
[16:47:07] <cnc> habe 5i25 und 7i77 endcoder laufen
[16:47:21] <Loetmichel> oh, dann bin ich eh raus.
[16:47:30] <Loetmichel> <- LPT-port user
[16:47:31] <Loetmichel> sorry
[16:47:38] <cnc> aber die ports für die motoren gehn nicht
[16:47:51] <Loetmichel> versuche es auf englisch.
[16:47:53] <cnc> kein signal messbar
[16:48:09] <Loetmichel> die jungs hier geben sich echt mühe "denglisch" zu verstehen
[16:48:51] <cnc> ok
[16:49:04] <Loetmichel> for the others around: he uses 5 i25 and 7i77 but he cant get any signal out of the motor ports
[16:49:19] <cnc> wer kennt pncconf
[16:49:54] <_methods> from teh 7i77?
[16:50:03] <cnc> wie was wo dort gemach wird
[16:50:20] <Loetmichel> cnc: _methods fragt von welcher karte
[16:50:24] <cnc> yes i hav 7i77
[16:50:24] <Loetmichel> die motorports
[16:50:44] <_methods> he's getting no signal coming out of the 7i77 to the servos?
[16:51:07] <cnc> my broblem
[16:51:08] <_methods> damn sorry i have to go pcw_home should be able to help you though
[16:51:34] <Loetmichel> _methods: as he builds the damn things i hope so ;-)
[16:51:51] <cnc> ?
[16:52:18] <PCW> The analog outputs not working maybe?
[16:52:21] <Loetmichel> cnc: pcw_home ist einer der hersteller der Karten
[16:52:56] <Loetmichel> PCW: sound like it but cnc is a bit quiet about details as you can see ;-.)
[16:53:08] <cnc> aha dann wüste er garantiert was
[16:53:12] <Loetmichel> cnc: beschreibe einfach mal was genu nicht klappt und dann übersetze ich das
[16:53:26] <Loetmichel> genau
[16:53:59] <PetefromTn_> wonder if his drives were like mine and he needed to jumper the enable pins
[16:54:04] <Loetmichel> pcw fragte ob die analogen ausgänge zu den servos der karte nicht funkitonieren
[16:54:19] <cnc> ja
[16:54:28] <Loetmichel> <- finger sortieren ich muss ;-)
[16:54:47] <cnc> und signale sind ach nicht messbar
[16:55:26] <Loetmichel> PCW: he says the analog poerts are simply dead, no signals measureable at all
[16:55:52] <cnc> und der fehler "joint 1 following erro
[16:56:00] <PCW> is linuxcnc running
[16:56:07] <cnc> jap
[16:56:08] <Loetmichel> cnc: das ist normal wenn die motoren nicht arbeiten
[16:56:31] <PCW> are the 7I77 enables on?
[16:56:44] <cnc> welche
[16:56:53] <cnc> who
[16:57:32] <cnc> my endcoder works
[16:57:50] <cnc> but TB5 no signal
[16:58:25] <Loetmichel> cnc: pcw fragt ob die enable eingänge auf der 7i77 eingeschaltet sind.
[16:58:34] <PetefromTn_> I had to jumper pin 1 to pin3 I think to get it working or something on my machine....
[16:58:45] <PCW> Thats expected if there's no command or no enable
[16:59:19] <Loetmichel> cnc Int pete sagt daß er pin1 und pin3 brücken musste damit die karte funktioniert
[16:59:27] <Loetmichel> cnc und pete
[16:59:41] <PetefromTn_> not sure what is his setup tho..
[17:00:05] <PetefromTn_> I guess it depends a lot on the drives he is using and what they need to see of course
[17:00:06] <zeeshan> my german friends !
[17:00:13] <zeeshan> can you reship soomething from germany to canada!
[17:00:14] <zeeshan> :D
[17:00:26] <cnc> :)
[17:00:26] <PCW> what is the state of hm2-5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena ?
[17:00:43] <cpresser> zeeshan: sure.. need metric stuff? :P
[17:00:57] <zeeshan> haha no, we have metric
[17:01:00] <zeeshan> i need mikron parts
[17:01:01] <PCW> sorry hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[17:01:09] <zeeshan> specifically a mikron manual
[17:01:15] <zeeshan> but the damn person wont ship it outside germany
[17:01:16] <zeeshan> :(
[17:02:08] <cnc> ???
[17:03:20] <cnc> confused
[17:03:52] <JT-Shop> that's the state I live in
[17:04:11] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: its because you decided to be a 3d printer fan boi
[17:04:14] <zeeshan> :-)
[17:04:35] <Cromaglious> Zeeshan braucht eine Handbuchaus Deutschland nach Kanada versendet . Die Deutsch Anbieter versenden nicht nach Kanada
[17:04:35] <cnc> no cnc
[17:04:36] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[17:04:48] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: were any of those older injectors rebuild-able or could you change the nozzles? http://www.rceng.com/images/rc/Injector_Service3_L.jpg
[17:05:02] <Cromaglious> google translate
[17:05:03] <PetefromTn_> someone needs to explain to him in German how to access his Hal pins for that 7i77 analog enable.
[17:05:44] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, it's in config.hal ?
[17:05:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so.
[17:05:58] <Cromaglious> or MyMill.hal or what ever he called it
[17:06:39] <PetefromTn_> me no sprechen doitsch unfortunately...LOL
[17:06:59] <PCW> in a terminal when linuxcnc is running type
[17:07:00] <PCW> halcmd show pin hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena
[17:07:07] <cnc> bei jedem kanal brücken
[17:07:08] <cnc> logisch oder ??
[17:07:31] <cnc> ok i have doing
[17:07:58] <cnc> now
[17:08:13] <Cromaglious> bei jedem kanal br�cken = Bridges in channel
[17:08:28] <cnc> Owner Type Dir Value Name
[17:08:29] <cnc> 12 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogena <== x-enable
[17:08:39] <zeeshan> dun dun dun. :)
[17:09:02] <PCW> OK well you will not get any analog out until that is true
[17:10:23] <cnc> now everyone, thank you very much
[17:10:36] <Cromaglious> de nada amigo
[17:10:38] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: honestly
[17:10:44] <zeeshan> ive never heard of an injector being rebuilt
[17:10:49] <zeeshan> they change pintle caps
[17:10:55] <zeeshan> they sometimes replace the pintles
[17:11:04] <zeeshan> the remove the filters on the inlet side
[17:11:10] <zeeshan> and ultrasonic clean em
[17:11:12] <zeeshan> thats about it
[17:11:17] <alex4nder> places drill them out as well, and then characterize the new flow rates
[17:11:26] <zeeshan> yes but thats hax
[17:11:30] <cnc> ??
[17:12:31] <alex4nder> zeeshan: so is methanol injection, raising fuel pressure, and unmetered nitrous, but people still do it. ;)
[17:12:40] <zeeshan> my only problem with it
[17:12:44] <Cromaglious> Sie werden �ber Injektoren f�r ein Auto oder einen industriellen Prozess Ich wei� nicht, welcher spricht.
[17:12:46] <zeeshan> is the injector spray pattern gets messed
[17:12:53] <zeeshan> you get more droplets vs atomization
[17:13:10] <alex4nder> yah, you can't just drill a big hole and expect it to work
[17:13:19] <zeeshan> redneck engineering
[17:13:21] <zeeshan> ftw
[17:13:49] <zeeshan> for very large injectors
[17:13:53] <zeeshan> i like those injector dynamics injectors
[17:13:54] <zeeshan> theyre fancy
[17:14:01] <zeeshan> and those guys have real engineers! :P
[17:14:03] <alex4nder> paul yaw is a flake though
[17:14:11] <zeeshan> whats that
[17:14:29] <alex4nder> the guy who runs injector dynamics
[17:14:54] <zeeshan> oh
[17:14:56] <zeeshan> never heard
[17:14:57] <zeeshan> http://injectordynamics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Injector_Dynamics_Testing.jpg
[17:15:01] <alex4nder> they talk a big game, but then when things don't work as expected, for whatever reason, he's hard to get ahold of
[17:15:03] <zeeshan> i just get impressed when i see real testing equipment
[17:20:48] <cnc> joint 1 following error
[17:20:56] <cnc> was ist das
[17:21:05] <zeeshan> servo trying to run away?
[17:21:50] <cnc> no
[17:22:08] <PetefromTn_> is motor attatched to machine?
[17:23:10] <cnc> in momend i only work with 7i77
[17:23:37] <PetefromTn_> if no motor is attached and you attempt movement you will get a following error..
[17:23:44] <cnc> and look for signal on TB5
[17:24:07] <PCW> joint 1 following error is expected (set the ferror limits wider if you want to test)
[17:28:18] <cnc> ok i must use all elements
[17:29:17] <PCW> when you first connect a motor _expect_ a runaway
[17:31:36] <cnc> not anderstand
[17:32:59] <cpresser> cnc: solange motor+encoder+parameter nicht passen ist es normal das der fehler kommt. du sollst ferror hochdrehen, und dann die sache inbetrieb nehmen
[17:33:08] <cpresser> cnc: und englisch lernen, sorry, ohne wird das echt schwer
[17:33:17] <cpresser> cnc: alternativ, mich kann man auch beauftragen^^
[17:33:51] <cnc> aha
[17:34:13] <cnc> aber welche parameter
[17:34:15] <PetefromTn_> Someone needs to invent an IRC universal automatic translator hehe
[17:34:35] <cpresser> cnc: alle paramter. PID
[17:34:53] <cnc> das ist
[17:35:40] <cpresser> cnc: weisst du nicht was PID bedeutet?
[17:36:55] <cnc> nein lese grade
[17:37:20] <PCW> normal order of servo bringup:
[17:37:21] <PCW> 1. Get encoders working and scaled properly (direction correct also)
[17:37:23] <cpresser> cnc: dann musst du leider noch _sehr viel_ lesen. das sind grundlagen für ne CNC-Maschine
[17:37:23] <PCW> 2. Get drive enables working
[17:37:25] <PCW> 3. Set wide ferror limits (say 20 mm)
[17:37:26] <PCW> 4. Verify that feedback is negative (may need to change analog output polarity in HAL)
[17:37:28] <PCW> 5. Connect motor
[17:37:30] <PCW> 6. Tune
[17:37:44] <cnc> servo
[17:42:49] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/FdNPjq3.jpg Just snapped this off my left nostril LOL...
[17:42:56] <cnc> where and in what hal
[17:50:11] <PCW> Most linux setup information is in your hal and ini files
[18:06:41] <Crom_> See how i stay on this time
[18:07:11] <Crom_> I really need a bt keyboard
[18:27:58] <PetefromTn_> Apparently the Torch Tower in Dubai one of the worlds tallest buildings in ON FIRE!!
[18:29:28] <furrywolf> yay random projects. just helped some kids remove a vehicle that's been parked on the yard of the abandonned house across the road.
[18:30:02] <furrywolf> their story seemed reasonable (they seemed to know the guy who owned it), so they probably weren't stealing it. lol
[18:32:58] <furrywolf> it's a nice truck, for certain definitions of nice. an old rusted out chevy. I don't know the model, but BIG. dually, truck tires, have to climb into the cab.
[18:33:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNMaCBw-Lk#t=12 Torch Tower
[18:34:59] <PetefromTn_> yup that definitely does not look good...
[18:35:58] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-r4M47Pzk
[18:36:18] <zeeshan> why is it in fire
[18:36:20] <zeeshan> in 2 different places?
[18:36:34] <zeeshan> seems like vandalism
[18:36:35] <PetefromTn_> Good question..
[18:36:40] <PetefromTn_> or terrorism..
[18:36:55] <zeeshan> or insurance scam
[18:37:01] <zeeshan> :]
[18:37:53] <furrywolf> ouch
[18:38:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFv95qLVT4c looks like multiple floors and far apart
[18:39:22] <CaptHindsight> lets see if this one falls straight down on itself
[18:39:58] <PetefromTn_> Holy Smokes that is NOT GOOD!!
[18:40:00] <furrywolf> I'm surprised such a new building would have fire suppression equipment inadequate enough to let it spread that quickly
[18:40:15] <CaptHindsight> molten metal pouring down the sides
[18:40:35] <furrywolf> the main function of sprinklers is to at least give people time to escape, but it sounds like this one spread very quickly
[18:41:05] <CaptHindsight> probably should not have been storing thermite on the higher floors
[18:41:05] <PetefromTn_> 1100 feet tall building
[18:41:35] <PetefromTn_> 79 floors above ground
[18:41:49] <furrywolf> of course, if it were an insurance scam, turning off a few chained-open valve...
[18:42:28] <CaptHindsight> how do you create the heat of a forge in the open air?
[18:42:49] <furrywolf> you build a building shaped like a giant chimney. :P
[18:44:27] <CaptHindsight> looks like a forge at the top and then again several floor below
[18:44:48] <furrywolf> tall fires can create a draft just as strong as a blower...
[18:45:32] <PetefromTn_> Towering inferno..
[18:45:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what's up?
[18:46:00] <zeeshan> working on website :P
[18:46:07] <Tom_itx> oh?
[18:46:17] <Tom_itx> got fwd/rev now
[18:46:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKW_RTjZS9w
[18:46:37] * furrywolf is working on snacking on seaweed rice chips while eating jalapeno salsa.
[18:47:33] <furrywolf> this is an abnormally hot batch. usually jalapeno salsa isn't this hot.
[18:50:16] <zeeshan> nice
[19:07:21] <CaptHindsight> 2 hours till sunrise in Dubai, should be interesting to see the damage
[19:11:17] <evil_ren> ew jalapenos
[19:11:40] <evil_ren> not very hot, flavor dominates everything
[19:12:42] <PetefromTn_> Kinda surprised there it not more information about the fire yet..
[19:12:57] <CaptHindsight> “an estimate 70 per cent of buildings in the UAE have facades made with some form of aluminium sandwiching a combustible thermoplastic core.”
[19:13:07] <CaptHindsight> nice
[19:13:24] <CaptHindsight> so oxidizer with fuel
[19:13:41] * furrywolf sees two fuels, no oxidizer
[19:14:10] <furrywolf> evil_ren: I have hotter peppers. :P
[19:15:32] <evil_ren> serranos ftw
[19:15:39] <CaptHindsight> not a very good oxidizer in that large form
[19:15:49] <evil_ren> if you make salsa verde with jalapenos mexico disowns you
[19:16:25] <furrywolf> I like serranos.
[19:16:40] <furrywolf> this salsa is mostly purreed jalapenos. no tomatillos or much of anything else.
[19:18:06] <CaptHindsight> they would probably use napalm as an insulator if it was cost effective
[19:19:11] <furrywolf> evil_ren: if you want hotter, I have carribbean reds, trinidad moruga scorpions, yellow scorpions, and plenty of others a bit higher up on the heat scale. :P
[19:20:30] <evil_ren> sure but serranos are available, spicy, and they dont flavor dominate everything
[19:21:29] * furrywolf has multiple serrano plants
[19:32:32] <Tom_itx> spindle seems to work pretty good now. i had to add a ssr to the driver because when it was going fwd and i said stop instead of rev it would flip the fwd/rev relay back and kick back and actually reverse a bit before it stopped
[19:32:51] <Tom_itx> the SSR was what i was using before to stop the spindle
[19:33:20] <Tom_itx> now fwd to rev and vise versa works good and stops from either direction with no kickback
[19:35:20] <furrywolf> I don't think my machine is worth adding fwd/rev spindle control to.
[19:35:54] <Tom_itx> you have a sherline right?
[19:36:06] <furrywolf> yes, but I'm currently working on a Shoptask lathe/mill combo.
[19:36:26] <Tom_itx> mine's a sherline too.. i'm just doing it to learn mostly
[19:37:09] <NickParker> Hey guys, my old robotics team is looking for a desktop mill, just a little manual thing. Any recommendations?
[19:37:29] <furrywolf> NickParker: expensive or cheap?
[19:37:43] <NickParker> i mean what's the high end for manual mills?
[19:38:03] <NickParker> they're looking at https://littlemachineshop.com/4962 right now
[19:38:37] <NickParker> but 350W sounds weak to me ( 2 HP spindle at home...)
[19:38:56] <_methods> i would get their high torque one for a bit more
[19:39:03] <_methods> or get a grizzly g0704?
[19:39:13] <_methods> i think it's g0704
[19:39:26] <_methods> i have an x2 and it's not bad
[19:39:36] <_methods> takes a bit of tweakin
[19:39:38] <_methods> but it works
[19:39:51] <_methods> just depends on the budget
[19:40:44] <_methods> https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3990&category=1387807683
[19:41:18] <_methods> got a bit more travel and a better spindle drive
[19:41:54] <furrywolf> if you want to spend more money for a smaller machine, the Sherline ones are quite well built... but tiny.
[19:42:17] <alex4nder> or a taig
[19:42:40] <alex4nder> the upside to the taig and sherline is they come 'ready to go'
[19:42:42] <evil_ren> have a taig, love the taig, been like 8 years now, old taig like new taig
[19:43:16] <alex4nder> the taig is a gem
[19:43:28] <NickParker> high torques from lms look good, gonna look through taig offerings now
[19:43:38] <evil_ren> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router-/151239980733
[19:43:58] <NickParker> how do you guys feel about the tilting column option? It would let them do more, but does it compromise stiffness to much?
[19:44:00] <evil_ren> got mine from this dude, his new package is sexier than the package i got
[19:44:13] <PetefromTn_> You can 3d mill your face in a stick of butter..!
[19:44:25] <evil_ren> nickparker: its iron square tube its rigid as fuck for its weight
[19:44:58] <NickParker> PetefromTn_: is that a no on the tilting column?
[19:45:10] <PetefromTn_> no man I am just kidding...
[19:45:17] <evil_ren> and its not gonna warp where it mates for the tilt, its two thick steel ground rings welded to the iron tubes
[19:45:22] <PetefromTn_> I have not had a Taig or any of the others...
[19:45:28] <evil_ren> everything held together with diant bont
[19:45:33] <alex4nder> yah
[19:45:45] <alex4nder> I don't think you're going to run into a problem with the taig's design, on that size of machine
[19:45:46] <NickParker> evil_ren: fuck that is sexy... but keep in mind a public school bureaucracy is purchasing this, they pretty explicitly explained that the main shop is getting *a* cnc mill, and the robotics team can buy a not-cnc mill
[19:45:59] <evil_ren> you get most of the warping in the headstock im pretty sure
[19:46:01] <NickParker> so i don't think anything with cnc in the title will fly on their dime
[19:46:12] <evil_ren> headstock and Z axis, and then all the play in the bed
[19:46:27] <alex4nder> NickParker: you can buy a manual taig, and then quietly get the CNC couplers for $106
[19:46:43] <alex4nder> and buy the other stuff piecemeal
[19:46:54] <alex4nder> (nobody will know)
[19:47:01] <NickParker> good links for manual taig?
[19:47:04] <evil_ren> nickparker: it has knobs
[19:47:13] <evil_ren> taig.com probably
[19:47:24] <alex4nder> http://www.taigtools.com/mmill.html
[19:47:27] <evil_ren> http://taigtools.com/
[19:47:29] <evil_ren> ya
[19:47:50] <evil_ren> get the 2019
[19:47:54] <alex4nder> NickParker: the computer ready and manual Taig are the same, except for the upgraded spindle motor, and the motor couplers, and no handles
[19:47:59] <alex4nder> yah, the 2019 is worth it
[19:48:11] <alex4nder> s/motor couplers/stepper motor couplers/
[19:48:14] <evil_ren> wait they changed
[19:48:34] <alex4nder> changed which?
[19:48:43] <evil_ren> now its a 2027ER?
[19:49:13] <evil_ren> pretty sure 18.5" table is what i have, its a 2019
[19:49:51] <alex4nder> evil_ren: the 2027 is the 2019 but it comes with a mach3 license
[19:50:03] <evil_ren> oh, annoying
[19:50:11] <alex4nder> you can still just buy a 2019CR
[19:50:22] <evil_ren> anyway, they guy on ebay ships the driver in a nice box with psu
[19:50:36] <evil_ren> and theyre gecko now, he was using 4ch xylotex drivers when i got mine
[19:50:43] <evil_ren> still 3/4 alive!
[19:50:45] <alex4nder> haha
[19:50:51] <alex4nder> the gecko is a nice upgrade
[19:50:58] <evil_ren> like, my Y is actually the A channel, or something
[19:51:07] <evil_ren> yeah he said hed do the geck0 box for $400
[19:51:12] <evil_ren> with the steppers
[19:51:26] <alex4nder> NickParker: also if anyone cares, the taig is actually made in the USA still
[19:51:41] <evil_ren> i really, really like mine
[19:51:51] <NickParker> alex4nder: they don't. I'll keep that in mind next time my university tells me they need to spend some domestic money though...
[19:51:53] <evil_ren> bonus, it breaks down flat in seconds
[19:51:58] <NickParker> got a 3d printer out of that last semester haha
[19:52:03] <evil_ren> i have it bolted to a folding leg table
[19:52:03] <alex4nder> NickParker: cool
[19:52:16] <alex4nder> yah, it's a cool little machine
[19:52:23] <evil_ren> so like, ive broken it down, folded legs up, and thrown it in the back of toyota hatchback, in volvo trunk
[19:52:24] <alex4nder> they recently upgraded the base and saddle too
[19:52:29] <evil_ren> little cnc almost portable
[19:52:30] <alex4nder> so that's nice
[19:52:35] <evil_ren> cool
[19:53:57] <NickParker> yeah that taig just looks a lot less flimsy to me, i think i'll point them that way.
[19:54:27] <evil_ren> theyre nice, too
[19:55:18] <evil_ren> little company, very responsive and upbeat when ive called them
[19:55:24] <alex4nder> yah
[19:55:31] <alex4nder> they actually know how their product works
[19:55:34] <NickParker> wait what's the spindle on the haig? looks nice and big, but wattage?
[19:55:41] <NickParker> taig*
[19:56:34] <evil_ren> 1/4hp, ER16
[19:56:49] <evil_ren> so like 200W, im guessing
[19:57:07] <evil_ren> ER spindles have pulleys for 10k rpm
[19:57:34] <evil_ren> really the only issue with the spindle setup i have is it wont spool up the 10k pulley cold
[19:57:41] <evil_ren> and the motor has a thermal switch
[19:57:45] <alex4nder> yah
[19:57:47] <evil_ren> which is awesome but totally dangerous
[19:58:13] <furrywolf> self-resetting, not push-to-reset?
[19:58:25] <evil_ren> so like, if you dont warm it up on a lower speed, just try and run 10k and its cold, it just turns it real slow
[19:58:33] <evil_ren> until it gets to hot and thermals
[19:58:37] <evil_ren> furrywolf: ya
[19:59:06] <evil_ren> takes a minute, not that long, but once early on i forgot to flip the switch off and shit spun on while i was working on it
[19:59:20] <evil_ren> scary shit, obvious reason why theyre not supposed to be used
[19:59:30] <evil_ren> but my guess is the 10k luggin when cold is why its there
[19:59:34] <furrywolf> yes
[19:59:54] <evil_ren> so yeah, when its not cold itll spool 10k in couple seconds max
[20:00:16] <alex4nder> running the spindle at 10k is an experience
[20:00:29] <evil_ren> and it only takes a couple seconds running at even one speed lower (6krpm) to warm it up
[20:00:58] <evil_ren> and possibly, thats mr deepgroove1's motor, not taigs
[20:01:08] <furrywolf> so, it's all over the news that limpet teeth are 25% stronger than silk... but it seems to me they're about 0.1% as practical as silk. lol
[20:01:24] <NickParker> ok, told them they want the taig. What endmills should they get? If someone can point me to like a variety pack that'd go well for them...
[20:01:33] <evil_ren> alex4nder: i prob done more pcb routing and 1/8" endmill than anything else so 10k is just how mine rolls
[20:01:54] <furrywolf> for untrained students? get ten of each size, the cheapest you can find. then hide a few good ones away somewhere.
[20:02:01] <alex4nder> evil_ren: that's cool
[20:02:12] <alex4nder> NickParker: it comes with two endmills, and a set of collets.
[20:02:16] <alex4nder> but yah, what furrywolf said
[20:02:16] <evil_ren> carbide, 4 flute, half a dozen 1/8", same qty 1/4", maybe three 3/8"
[20:02:26] <NickParker> lol thought that'd be the response furrywolf
[20:02:28] <evil_ren> get center drill countersinks
[20:02:45] <furrywolf> if you want to do pcb milling, pick up a few engraving bits too.
[20:02:47] <evil_ren> i would price everything at useenco.com and go from there
[20:02:58] <evil_ren> atrax is their cheap american carbide
[20:03:08] <evil_ren> they have cheaper china stuff too
[20:03:41] <evil_ren> for engraving bits, 2Linc.com
[20:03:51] <alex4nder> NickParker: https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_category.php?category=-1180321415&First=E&Last=E <-
[20:04:09] <evil_ren> super good shit, bought lots of 30 degree conical and pyramid cutters from them
[20:04:09] <alex4nder> cheap, chinese, work relatively well
[20:04:33] <evil_ren> if its manual shit, hss is fine
[20:05:06] <evil_ren> if youre doing cnc on small machine i would really go with carbide, chipping instead of wearing just works better with automation
[20:05:44] <evil_ren> more likely to complete the part with ass finish, instead of locking up spindle or axis and maybe crashing into all the things
[20:05:51] <alex4nder> haha
[20:05:54] <alex4nder> seriously
[20:06:07] <evil_ren> carbide will keep cutting
[20:06:27] <alex4nder> NickParker: also since noobs will crash into tables, a fixture plate can be nice to leave on the machine
[20:06:34] <furrywolf> wow. This cree "4flow" LED lamp is the cheapest design I've ever seen.
[20:06:34] <evil_ren> yeah
[20:07:00] <alex4nder> NickParker: the stock taig vise is ... shitty
[20:07:04] <alex4nder> but it's free, so
[20:07:10] <alex4nder> it'll get you up and running
[20:07:28] <evil_ren> http://www.hightechsystemsllc.com/pt_plate.html
[20:07:29] <alex4nder> I usually just use a2z's clamps
[20:07:31] <evil_ren> i got two of these
[20:07:52] <evil_ren> sometimes i will stick them perpendicular and make like, table forks
[20:07:52] <alex4nder> evil_ren: you know what's weird, I never could get those guys to respond to my questions
[20:08:05] <alex4nder> are they still around?
[20:08:07] <evil_ren> yeah i feel like its a guy
[20:08:23] <alex4nder> yah
[20:08:35] <alex4nder> I liked the look of theirs more than A2Z's or taig's
[20:08:35] <evil_ren> and i kind of get a weird vibe but i really like the cam screw fixturing bits
[20:08:56] <evil_ren> i dont feel ripped off in any way
[20:09:45] <evil_ren> i could see people saying the cam screw stuff doesnt work to hold everything bit like its obvious what it is, its obvious it has a working envelope for clamping force and height
[20:10:03] <alex4nder> yah, horses for courses
[20:10:11] <evil_ren> the rapid changer looks cool but i think it would slip before the belt
[20:10:32] <evil_ren> gut feeling
[20:10:36] <furrywolf> I still need a vise for my shoptask. but I can't find one I can afford.
[20:10:49] <alex4nder> NickParker: http://www.a2zcorp.us/store/category.asp?Category=WorkHolding:MillingClamps <- also everything on this page is good to have
[20:10:54] <zeeshan> vises are expensive man
[20:10:56] <zeeshan> even chinese ones
[20:11:16] <evil_ren> with a little machine, work holding accessories are going to be a huge issue
[20:11:26] <zeeshan> why
[20:11:32] <evil_ren> you cant always just buy shit like you would a big mill
[20:11:34] <alex4nder> especially on the taig, with the Z height
[20:11:41] <evil_ren> like, i have to search for t nuts
[20:11:47] <evil_ren> its just a t nut
[20:11:48] <alex4nder> you start building a lego tower, and all of a sudden you have no room for tooling
[20:12:08] <evil_ren> alex4nder: you can get decent Z with big tools by sliding the headstock up on the dovetail
[20:12:27] <evil_ren> and the dovetail up on the Z body
[20:12:30] <alex4nder> yah
[20:12:39] <_methods> hehe invest in screw machine length drills
[20:12:40] <evil_ren> its a pain but its functional
[20:12:59] <_methods> i run out of z all the time with jobbers
[20:13:14] <alex4nder> evil_ren: I find that a lot of times, that using a vise just adds complexity, and I just come up with a way to attach shit directly to the table
[20:13:30] <alex4nder> once I stopped trying to put everything in the vise, life got easier for me
[20:13:37] <evil_ren> right and i have a small tool makers vise, screwless
[20:13:41] <evil_ren> which is huge on the taig
[20:13:48] <alex4nder> same
[20:13:55] <evil_ren> and its a bitch to mount and remove, and it takes up like 4" of z
[20:14:23] <evil_ren> maybe 3", to much, it works awesome but i need something half the size
[20:14:29] <evil_ren> the sherline vise looks kinda cool
[20:14:33] <evil_ren> maybe a pair of those
[20:14:38] <NickParker> i've only used the trove of tools provided to me by a friend, could somebody explain the difference between countersinks and countersink/deburring combos? the deburrers seem to have diagonal holes in them, what's the trade off like?
[20:14:48] <furrywolf> I have a sherline vise. it's nice.
[20:14:56] <furrywolf> the sherline has pretty good Z travel... it's Y it lacks.
[20:15:00] <NickParker> ie, do these deburring holes fuck the countersinking abilities of the tools?
[20:16:16] * furrywolf has no idea how people can afford new machine tools. :(
[20:17:06] <evil_ren> by working for or owning companies who are profitable
[20:17:15] <evil_ren> or loans
[20:17:19] <alex4nder> yah
[20:17:25] <alex4nder> and don't break shit
[20:17:25] <evil_ren> i got little cnc with a student loan
[20:17:27] <evil_ren> cnc student
[20:17:29] <evil_ren> heh
[20:17:36] <alex4nder> also don't buy cheap stuff
[20:17:49] <evil_ren> right you learn that quick
[20:18:00] <furrywolf> I haven't broken anything expensive. heh.
[20:19:35] <evil_ren> like, a tormach would make sense for me
[20:20:02] <zeeshan> ive blown 3 amc drives
[20:20:07] <zeeshan> does that count as expensive
[20:20:09] <evil_ren> if i got my shit together for a couple years, make a nice presentation, had some nice prototypes, could convince people i could support maybe a dozen workers
[20:20:25] <evil_ren> i could get a loan for a tormach and years shop rent or some shit
[20:20:43] <zeeshan> or you could buy a better machine
[20:20:45] <zeeshan> for $1500
[20:20:47] <zeeshan> and retrofit it
[20:20:48] <evil_ren> like $40k
[20:20:52] <evil_ren> eh?
[20:21:01] <evil_ren> yeah man $15k you get a shop works of tooling
[20:21:06] <evil_ren> along with the tormach
[20:21:09] <evil_ren> and it works turn key
[20:21:09] <alex4nder> yah
[20:21:13] <zeeshan> that sounds like a pretty shitty shop
[20:21:14] <zeeshan> :P
[20:21:15] <evil_ren> wtf retrofit
[20:21:21] <evil_ren> im trying to do work not kill time
[20:21:37] <evil_ren> zeeshan: its great for ptotyping and light production
[20:21:37] <zeeshan> you're going through engineering school
[20:21:39] <zeeshan> to run a machine?
[20:21:43] <zeeshan> that makes a lot of sense!
[20:21:43] <evil_ren> you wouldnt try to be a machine shop with it
[20:21:52] <evil_ren> eh?
[20:22:04] <evil_ren> i can already run a machine
[20:22:29] <evil_ren> after engineering school, if i have a design i want to have machined by the end of the day, a taig is useful
[20:22:43] <evil_ren> dont have to fuck with leadtimes or someone elses financial situation when negotiating
[20:22:53] <alex4nder> yah
[20:23:01] <zeeshan> i agree on that part
[20:23:03] <evil_ren> and you can pay some kid with an AS to kick off cycles and do setup
[20:23:06] <zeeshan> i hate dealing with tards
[20:23:12] <alex4nder> evil_ren: I know other engineers/machinists that are convinced they need a huge machine for their projects.. and it makes no sense
[20:23:12] <zeeshan> i was making parts for cars for a while
[20:23:15] <evil_ren> so dont
[20:23:20] <evil_ren> work more hours instead
[20:23:23] <zeeshan> and i wanted something simple
[20:23:25] <zeeshan> and they wanted so much
[20:23:30] <zeeshan> like i didn't know what was involved in making it
[20:23:32] <alex4nder> evil_ren: by the time you're done prototyping the design, you're not going to want to hold a lease on $100k worth of machine, and operate it
[20:23:34] <zeeshan> i ended up buying a lathe and doing it myself
[20:23:37] <evil_ren> alex4nder: haas minimill is like, huge
[20:23:48] <evil_ren> i dont think i could justify it in a non machine shop
[20:23:54] <alex4nder> yah
[20:23:59] <evil_ren> tormach is big enough to be a problem
[20:24:04] <zeeshan> but i dont think i'd ever make cncing my daily thing
[20:24:09] <zeeshan> even for prototyping
[20:24:20] <evil_ren> whatever if its daily or once a month
[20:24:24] <evil_ren> when you need it its awesome
[20:24:28] <zeeshan> yea
[20:24:31] <alex4nder> also people shit talk small machines, but I can throw a rock and hit a machineshop with way better gear, that can take a prototype and do a production run
[20:24:32] <evil_ren> having it at work or for work was awesome
[20:24:36] <zeeshan> its much easier to get a pay cheque @ work
[20:24:43] <evil_ren> want an aluminum panel done, i do it its done next day
[20:24:51] <evil_ren> machine shop does it, $2k to wait 3 days
[20:25:01] <evil_ren> i ask for $20/hr machine time, im an asshole
[20:25:04] <alex4nder> yah
[20:25:06] <zeeshan> alex4nder: i shit talk small machines
[20:25:06] <zeeshan> :)
[20:25:11] <evil_ren> fuckin lames
[20:25:24] <alex4nder> zeeshan: small machines are busy making cuts at bargain basement prices. ;)
[20:25:31] <zeeshan> to me the absolute smallest would be a g0704
[20:25:37] <alex4nder> especially if you know how to do HSM toolpaths
[20:25:50] <evil_ren> seriously, i had zero lead time PCB with my mini mill
[20:26:00] <evil_ren> big mills maybe could even handle the precision
[20:26:05] <evil_ren> couldnt
[20:26:10] <evil_ren> i rabbed
[20:26:47] <zeeshan> i know im never going to get to the point where i can buy a million dollar machine for myself
[20:26:53] <zeeshan> so the next best thing is doing it for a company
[20:26:54] <zeeshan> :D
[20:26:56] <evil_ren> when you consider alternate capabilities, taig is easily as much as value as an LPFK, for i dunno how much less
[20:27:02] * zeeshan likes them big machines
[20:27:07] <evil_ren> or start a company
[20:27:12] <alex4nder> yah
[20:27:16] <zeeshan> i'd never start my own business
[20:27:19] <evil_ren> big machines are neat but that thats your life
[20:27:20] <zeeshan> as ful ltime
[20:27:20] <alex4nder> if you want to operate machines all day, it's not hard to get a lease
[20:27:28] <alex4nder> you just better want to do that all day
[20:27:35] <evil_ren> and night
[20:27:38] <alex4nder> yah
[20:27:40] <evil_ren> prob weekends
[20:27:49] <evil_ren> be ready to hite staff
[20:27:50] <zeeshan> i want to start a consulting firm in the future
[20:27:51] <alex4nder> gotta clear that check
[20:27:53] <evil_ren> and deal with OSHA
[20:27:54] <zeeshan> take advantage of my license
[20:28:10] <evil_ren> heh consulting
[20:28:21] <evil_ren> the fun of design without the responsibility of sustaining
[20:28:22] <zeeshan> i have 3 other friends who are interested
[20:29:14] <zeeshan> i think machining as a side business is so nice
[20:29:18] <zeeshan> $$$$$
[20:29:36] <zeeshan> asap i get this mill fully running
[20:29:41] <zeeshan> im gonna start doing my car stuff gain
[20:29:50] <zeeshan> it was a good supplemental income
[20:30:01] <evil_ren> i think im gonna buy a miata this summer =\
[20:30:09] <zeeshan> which gen
[20:30:29] <evil_ren> ideally NB but probably NA
[20:30:50] <evil_ren> because ill prob want like $2k leftover for wheels tires and brakes
[20:31:25] <zeeshan> on a completely differnt topic
[20:31:30] <evil_ren> i kind of just want reference handling a nice ui feedback
[20:31:31] <zeeshan> i was going through rob ellenberg's code
[20:31:37] <zeeshan> for the trajectoryplanner
[20:31:42] <zeeshan> boy has he done a lot of work
[20:32:56] <evil_ren> i need to take my tc into a dealer and ask them whats up with a rebuild
[20:33:16] <evil_ren> so they sent out the warranty extension notices for the sludge oil rebuild
[20:33:29] <evil_ren> but i dont use their oil, i use 0w-20 mobil 1
[20:33:50] <evil_ren> so yeah probably fine, shit runs like water at room temp
[20:34:17] <furrywolf> ... so it doesn't provide adequate lubrication for bearings?
[20:34:24] <evil_ren> ?
[20:34:40] <evil_ren> no it pressurizes the fuel system as soon as the car starts
[20:35:00] <evil_ren> as opposed to thick shit where even if you have pressure, you might not actually be moving much oil
[20:35:44] <furrywolf> the thick shit that maintains a good film instead of squishing out under load. :P
[20:35:48] <evil_ren> thick oil is how you deal with loose tolerances or wear
[20:35:58] <furrywolf> there's a reason manufacturers specify a specific viscoscity.
[20:36:00] * zeeshan uses 5w40
[20:36:08] <evil_ren> 0w-20 is specified
[20:36:29] <zeeshan> rotella t6
[20:36:30] <zeeshan> ftw
[20:36:40] <zeeshan> ive lost some fuel economy though cause of it
[20:36:41] <evil_ren> if you dont say anything, theyll use 5w-20 half-synthetic
[20:36:49] <furrywolf> thinner oil improves milage and horsepower, and would make CAFE easier to comply with,... and yet we still use thicker oil. because it's needed to make the bearings last.
[20:36:50] <evil_ren> 0w-20 is only available in synthetic
[20:37:04] <zeeshan> furrywolf: he doesnt have a subie
[20:37:06] <evil_ren> right this is debated
[20:37:11] <zeeshan> that suffers from bs bearing problems
[20:37:11] <zeeshan> haha
[20:37:18] <zeeshan> he has a normal engine :P
[20:37:23] <evil_ren> and it depends a lot on tolerances and lubrication system
[20:37:47] <evil_ren> right if you have a tore up engine or one made to run hot, you prob want thick fuel just to keeo from burning it up
[20:38:01] <evil_ren> burning the oil up
[20:38:03] <furrywolf> zeeshan: eh? subies don't tend to have bearing problems. only bad bearings I've seen were due to oil starvation.
[20:38:08] <zeeshan> wut
[20:38:12] <zeeshan> you need to see the complaints
[20:38:14] <zeeshan> on nasioc
[20:38:16] <evil_ren> subies tend to be driven hard
[20:38:27] <zeeshan> there is a thread 600 pages long
[20:38:28] <furrywolf> or abuse. :P
[20:38:29] <zeeshan> about bearing problems
[20:38:33] <evil_ren> theyre going to have all the problems on a long enough timeline
[20:38:34] <zeeshan> when it's that much
[20:38:36] <zeeshan> it's not abuse
[20:38:39] <zeeshan> by itself.
[20:38:45] <evil_ren> fun == abuse == normal city use
[20:38:58] <evil_ren> merging is the same as street racing
[20:39:01] <furrywolf> on which motor? I've mostly worked on the EA series and the EJ22, and only bad bearings I've seen were due to oil starvation, except for the one that was towed behind an rv in reverse gear...
[20:39:18] <zeeshan> ej22, ej25
[20:39:27] <zeeshan> even some ej20s
[20:39:32] <evil_ren> right and if you have light oil, when cold, then the pump pushes oil easier at startup
[20:39:52] <zeeshan> yea, and it doesnt lubricate shit
[20:39:52] <zeeshan> lol
[20:39:55] <zeeshan> you want thick oil at startup
[20:40:04] <evil_ren> how does oil not lubricate shit?
[20:40:17] <zeeshan> during cold start
[20:40:19] <zeeshan> the gaps are large
[20:40:22] <zeeshan> you want thicker oil to lubricate shit
[20:40:22] <evil_ren> the only reason people say you want thick oil at startup is because it sticks
[20:40:26] <zeeshan> no.
[20:40:29] <furrywolf> because if it's too thin, it just squishes out rather than keeps the metal apart.
[20:40:33] <evil_ren> well that shit is going to get pushed away as soon as the engine turns
[20:40:40] <evil_ren> and you need to provide new oil
[20:40:40] <zeeshan> read about hydrodynamic bearings
[20:40:43] <zeeshan> and understand how they work
[20:41:00] <evil_ren> well theyre going to work with the specified oil
[20:41:03] <zeeshan> the viscosity of the oil directly is related to how much oil stays between the bearing surfaces
[20:41:07] <zeeshan> rather than getting pushed out
[20:41:10] <evil_ren> and the oil is going to be thinner at op temp
[20:41:31] <evil_ren> than at startup so its going to work thicker at startup if it works at operating temp in a thinner state
[20:42:10] <evil_ren> anyway theyre going to do some sort of oil comsumption test
[20:42:29] <zeeshan> if your manufacturer specifies thin oil at operating sped
[20:42:31] <zeeshan> like 20 weight
[20:42:38] <zeeshan> they must have some tight tolerances in the engine
[20:42:40] <evil_ren> whatever the fuck that means, it eats like 0.5qt every 1000-2000 miles, i think its fine
[20:42:50] <PetefromTn_> put some serup in that bitch hehe
[20:43:02] <evil_ren> supposedly they rebuild the motors if they decide the shit is warranty covered
[20:43:02] <zeeshan> sipping on some syrrrrrrrrrrrrup
[20:43:06] <furrywolf> I'm not finding these bearing problems googling. instead I find threads like http://www.ausubaru.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-15641.html with comments like "The are generally bullet-proof and go for ever" "EJ 22's as stated are usually a great engine. I have over 500 000 km on one of mine and it has been flogged every day of its life." "I have seen then get bottom end rattles which are usually the big ends and usually from lack or oil, crappy oil or abuse
[20:43:13] <evil_ren> but like my motor isnt broken
[20:43:25] <evil_ren> theyre going to take it apart prob never gonna work right again
[20:43:33] <furrywolf> "bottom ends should last forever" "EJ22s are the strongest engines that ive known and they do last for long time as well" "etc etc
[20:43:52] <evil_ren> engine life has a lot to do with how you use the engine
[20:43:56] <zeeshan> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2401576
[20:43:58] <zeeshan> heres one thread
[20:44:02] <furrywolf> however, now it's time to head off to work. bbl.
[20:44:03] <zeeshan> of ej25
[20:44:19] <furrywolf> ej25s I don't hear nearly as much good about, but it's usually head gaskets, not bearings.
[20:44:32] <zeeshan> they also crack the oil pick up tube
[20:44:35] <zeeshan> i gotta check mine this summer
[20:45:37] <furrywolf> first post on that thread was done while dyno testing, so probably an abused motor. lol
[20:45:38] <furrywolf> bbl
[20:54:10] <evil_ren> anyway wtf, i dont think i want them to rebuild the motor
[20:54:41] <evil_ren> they could replace all the accessories and filters, that would be cool
[21:58:43] <zeeshan-mill> moment of truth
[21:58:48] <zeeshan-mill> if central lubrication works or not!
[21:59:08] <XXCoder1> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/1/2/4/370124_v1.gif
[21:59:10] <XXCoder1> balls.
[21:59:14] <XXCoder1> good luck
[22:13:02] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[22:15:04] <zeeshan-mill> no leaks
[22:15:07] <XXCoder1> tired eh
[22:15:09] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, i thought u were sleeping
[22:15:48] <furrywolf> eh? I went to work, not to sleep.
[22:16:07] <furrywolf> also, clicking a random page on that thread shows "Subaru des specify that high temperature and heavy duty driving conditions requires thicker oil in the manual and then they do define what heavy duty driving conditions are. What they don't do is acknowledge that anyone buying a WRX is going to be driving the car hard enough to just need thicker oil period.", which seems very relevant to the topic of thin oil. :)
[22:19:24] <furrywolf> people put in thin oil thinking it's better for racing, which is the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
[22:20:59] <furrywolf> on a completely unrelated topic, lol! dimensioned engineering drawings for something I absolutely did not expect to find them for. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ndhuae81xoa0vw1/AAAFPHt3VYvNK5HTnHc3ASFYa/Toy%20Four.pdf?dl=0 ("nsfw" if your boss is very quick)
[22:21:10] <zeeshan-mill> man
[22:21:13] <zeeshan-mill> that stiction shit
[22:21:16] <zeeshan-mill> is GONE!
[22:21:21] <zeeshan-mill> with central lubricator !
[22:21:47] <furrywolf> nice
[22:21:57] <zeeshan-mill> i cant see that on this comp
[22:21:58] <zeeshan-mill> cause its a pos
[22:22:30] <furrywolf> I saw a garbage truck last week that looked like it was squirting red axle grease out of a dozen or so disconnected hoses. I can only imagine it was a central greasing system that wasn't quite put back together...
[22:22:37] <zeeshan-mill> hahaha
[22:22:44] <zeeshan-mill> thats the shit i just cleaned up
[22:22:48] <zeeshan-mill> these people i bought hte fittings from
[22:22:59] <zeeshan-mill> for some reason charged the hose with grease
[22:23:07] <zeeshan-mill> i had to sit there passing tig wire through the hose
[22:23:08] <zeeshan-mill> to clean it
[22:23:21] <XXCoder1> whats those machine that grinds parts called? has a grinder wheel and magnetic holder bottom
[22:23:23] <zeeshan-mill> i think they use the hose for grease systems
[22:23:28] <furrywolf> ... perhaps they assumed it would be used for grease? :P
[22:23:31] <furrywolf> surface grinder
[22:23:35] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, prolly
[22:23:40] <XXCoder1> well that was simple. thanks
[22:23:49] <zeeshan-mill> i specifically told her not to charge it
[22:23:54] <zeeshan-mill> but she was so eager to fill something up
[22:23:55] <zeeshan-mill> .
[22:24:32] <furrywolf> if she likes filling things up, that drawing might help. :P
[22:24:59] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[22:25:05] <zeeshan-mill> i cant wait to see it when i go upstairs
[22:25:06] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[22:25:10] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:25:20] <toastydeath> XXCoder1, a grinder.
[22:25:45] <toastydeath> if you want to get TECHNICAL
[22:25:50] <toastydeath> a horizontal spindle surface grinder
[22:26:09] <toastydeath> (there's also vertical spindle surface grinders, often called blanchard grinders)
[22:26:22] * furrywolf pdf-png's it for zee
[22:26:26] <XXCoder1> I saw one finally getting put together at work
[22:26:35] <XXCoder1> its been sitting packed for 10 months
[22:26:39] <Connor> zeeshan-mill: What's it for ?
[22:26:45] <XXCoder1> I guess it will be needed fairly soon
[22:26:59] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/WetForHer%20Toy%20Four%20Dimensions.png because everything needs dimensioned drawings. :)
[22:28:51] <zeeshan-mill> rofl
[22:28:52] <zeeshan-mill> wtf
[22:28:57] <zeeshan-mill> connor whats what for
[22:29:12] <zeeshan-mill> interesting dimensions on that drawing
[22:29:28] <Connor> zeeshan-mill: What ever the lady filled up with grease.
[22:29:31] <Connor> scroll-back cut off.
[22:29:44] <XXCoder1> toastydeath: cool
[22:30:00] <zeeshan-mill> the hose for my central lubricator
[22:30:07] <Connor> Ah.
[22:30:08] <zeeshan-mill> with is fluid based lubricant
[22:30:10] <zeeshan-mill> not grease :/
[22:30:10] <XXCoder1> lube heh
[22:30:20] <zeeshan-mill> guys
[22:30:23] <zeeshan-mill> i want wait to show you this pic
[22:30:27] <zeeshan-mill> itll take like 2 min to upload
[22:30:37] <furrywolf> I would have just let it pump the grease out instead of trying to clean the houses.
[22:30:38] <furrywolf> hoses
[22:31:10] <zeeshan-mill> didnt wanna blow up the motor
[22:31:12] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[22:35:41] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/HyUd6DI.png
[22:35:43] <zeeshan-mill> ols
[22:35:45] <zeeshan-mill> old
[22:36:38] <zeeshan-mill> http://i.imgur.com/YGjs38b.png
[22:36:38] <zeeshan-mill> new
[22:36:39] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[22:37:30] <Tom_itx> my control is getting kinda full
[22:38:08] <furrywolf> you're out of control?
[22:38:15] <zeeshan-mill> i need PCW's tuning expertise nw
[22:38:22] <Tom_itx> not just yet
[22:38:26] <zeeshan-mill> can somoene please give me the link to jt's page
[22:38:32] <zeeshan-mill> for servo tuning
[22:38:34] <Tom_itx> gnipsel dot com
[22:38:39] <zeeshan-mill> direct link!
[22:38:39] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[22:38:40] <Tom_itx> it's there
[22:38:43] <Tom_itx> oh pooo
[22:39:07] <Tom_itx> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/index.html
[22:39:13] <zeeshan-mill> appreciateit very much
[22:39:14] <Tom_itx> there ya weenie
[22:39:15] <zeeshan-mill> this comp too slow
[22:39:24] <zeeshan-mill> need j1900
[22:40:14] <Connor> zeeshan-mill: Old / New WHAT ?
[22:40:16] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty happy with the way this spindle turned out
[22:40:25] <Tom_itx> not 100% but about 99%
[22:40:45] <Tom_itx> adding the enable helped it
[22:40:54] <Tom_itx> instead of just the drive inhibit
[22:41:00] <furrywolf> Connor: looks like servo error to me, with less on the second one, suggesting he's tuned his servos better.
[22:42:06] <zeeshan-mill> connor
[22:42:09] <zeeshan-mill> before and after central lubrication
[22:42:13] <zeeshan-mill> stiction is gone
[22:42:18] <Connor> Ahh.
[22:42:19] <Connor> ok
[22:42:43] <furrywolf> looking at the torch tower pictures, I find it impressive that the lights are still on. surprisingly robust electrical system.
[22:43:36] <Connor> zeeshan-mill: That was clear as mud before you said what it was. :)
[22:43:44] <zeeshan-mill> o
[22:43:56] <zeeshan-mill> its the axis error
[22:43:57] <zeeshan-mill> im plotting
[22:44:12] <Connor> Yea. I got it now.. just didn't know why you had the error.
[22:44:21] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[22:44:30] <Connor> okay.. dinner time
[22:50:41] <postaL> tjb1: gonna sell this probotix pos
[22:50:55] <postaL> anyone in here in the bay area by chance?
[22:55:31] <furrywolf> which bay? :P
[22:55:44] * furrywolf is in the humboldt bay area, which is about six hours north of the san francisco bay area
[22:59:42] <postaL> san francisco
[22:59:55] <postaL> i'm in santa cruz. need someone to come make my probotix v90 work.
[23:00:47] <furrywolf> I lived in santa cruz once...
[23:02:58] <postaL> i have a probotix v90 w/ gecko g540 controller
[23:03:04] <postaL> if it doesn't fault, it doesn't cut right
[23:03:07] <postaL> so it's a lose/lose
[23:03:39] <furrywolf> bit much of a drive for me to get there... plus I'd have no idea how to fix it. :P
[23:03:50] <postaL> ha
[23:04:01] <postaL> last ditch effort, i'm gonna fly my friend out from georgia to handle it
[23:04:31] <zeeshan-mill> i has a probotix rf
[23:04:34] <zeeshan-mill> on the lathe
[23:04:35] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[23:04:37] <evil_ren> whats probotix v90
[23:04:41] <zeeshan-mill> router
[23:04:43] <postaL> fireball v90
[23:04:49] <postaL> router cnc, 12x18
[23:04:54] <zeeshan-mill> won makerzine awards
[23:05:07] <postaL> i'm just having the worst luck w/ it. :(
[23:05:17] <postaL> had it 2 years now, and still haven't made something worth a damn
[23:05:17] <zeeshan-mill> postaL, their breakout card
[23:05:19] <zeeshan-mill> is garbage
[23:05:23] <zeeshan-mill> it works
[23:05:31] <postaL> i only got the v90 frame
[23:05:35] <zeeshan-mill> but the interface is bad :/
[23:05:38] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[23:05:43] <postaL> got gecko g540 + steppers from someone else
[23:05:53] <evil_ren> g540 is good shit
[23:06:01] <postaL> that's the rumor
[23:06:08] <postaL> but the damn thing keeps faulting 10 seconds into moving
[23:06:17] <evil_ren> what fault
[23:06:23] <postaL> dunno, red light just comes on
[23:06:26] <postaL> and motors stop moving
[23:06:34] <zeeshan-mill> on the drive?
[23:06:42] <postaL> yes?
[23:06:49] <zeeshan-mill> you should try to diagnose why
[23:06:54] <furrywolf> supply voltage measure good?
[23:06:54] <zeeshan-mill> theres many reasons it can fault out
[23:06:58] <zeeshan-mill> undervoltage
[23:06:59] <zeeshan-mill> overvoltage
[23:07:01] <zeeshan-mill> overheating
[23:07:02] <zeeshan-mill> etc
[23:07:04] <postaL> supply voltage is good
[23:07:05] <zeeshan-mill> short in the motors
[23:07:08] <postaL> tried 2 different ones
[23:07:14] <postaL> the stock one i had w/ it ($50 amazon on)
[23:07:22] <postaL> and a $250 one
[23:07:25] <zeeshan-mill> id figure out what the g540 fault protection modes are
[23:07:29] <zeeshan-mill> and make sure youre not tripping any of them
[23:07:40] <zeeshan-mill> start with the easiest thing
[23:07:43] <zeeshan-mill> "is the drive enabled'
[23:07:45] <furrywolf> if the geckos are like my centents (designed by the same person), they fault on overvoltage, undervoltage, overcurrent, possibly undercurrent, shorts, and overheat... and, as I've found out with mine even though it's not mentioned in the manual, faulty timing on the step/dir inputs.
[23:07:47] <zeeshan-mill> when the red light happens
[23:08:11] <postaL> could be faulty step/dir inputs
[23:08:16] <postaL> since it's running off a laptop
[23:08:21] <postaL> heard laptops aren't the best to use
[23:08:24] <evil_ren> damn yo
[23:08:36] <evil_ren> laptops tend to be custom overloaded hardware
[23:08:46] <furrywolf> make sure your timings are set correctly. if I remember right, some of the geckos have realllllly long dir hold times.
[23:08:53] <evil_ren> could try turning off peripheral in the bios if you havent
[23:08:58] <evil_ren> also do latency-test
[23:09:09] <postaL> evil_ren: i did. went through everything not needed (sound, ethernet, wifi)
[23:09:26] <postaL> and did the latency test, and adjusted in linuxcnc to compensate
[23:09:27] <evil_ren> laptop has a partport or using some usb thing?
[23:09:37] <postaL> docking station w/ paralell
[23:09:38] <postaL> parallel*
[23:10:11] <evil_ren> are the steppers locking?
[23:10:24] <evil_ren> like do they just stop or is there a noise, then they stop
[23:10:36] <postaL> they move until the fault code kicks in, then everything powers down
[23:11:02] <postaL> so, noise at first. yes. then once it kicks, everything turns off. gotta power cycle to get it back up
[23:11:10] <furrywolf> again, have you checked your step/dir timing settings, and compared them to what gecko says? some of the geckos have stupidly long dir hold requirements.
[23:11:11] <evil_ren> so its possible that the machine is binding or something and the motors lock and the g540s give up
[23:11:28] <postaL> furrywolf: i went through the linuxcnc / gecko540 setup guides that are on the net
[23:11:41] <postaL> evil_ren: nah, i can hand spin everything in each direction w/ ease
[23:12:02] <evil_ren> yeah and it doesnt have the dumb dual stepper thing
[23:12:18] <furrywolf> there's no feedback on steppers. if there's a mechanical issue, it'll just sit there and vibrate.
[23:12:21] <furrywolf> not fault.
[23:12:50] <evil_ren> the drives might be able to tell from loading
[23:12:56] <evil_ren> no idea
[23:13:11] <furrywolf> they can't. :)
[23:13:15] <postaL> yeah :/ and i dont know enough about this stuff to problem solve it w/o pulling my hair out
[23:13:55] <zeeshan> is there no fault checking
[23:13:56] <furrywolf> what is your motor inductance?
[23:13:57] <zeeshan> er
[23:13:59] <evil_ren> furrywolf: industance doesnt go down between steps?
[23:13:59] <zeeshan> fault output from g540
[23:14:01] <zeeshan> im sure there is
[23:14:06] <evil_ren> anyway if it spins free prob not that
[23:14:27] <furrywolf> evil_ren: even if you could design a driver that checks, I've not seen one. they're purely open-loop.
[23:15:04] <zeeshan> G540 4 - AXIS STEP MOTOR CONTROL REVISION : 8 __________________________________________________________________________________ Date Modified: March 5, 2012 Page 6 of 10 TROUBLESHOOTING Generally speaking, there are only a few reasons why the G540 will not function as expected. The most common are listed below. PROBLEM: G540 UNRESPONSIVE (RED LED LIT CONSTANTLY) SOLUTION: This is the most common
[23:15:11] <evil_ren> yeah was just edge case theory where the driver overcurrents at the protection threshold
[23:15:12] <zeeshan> read the manual
[23:15:46] <zeeshan> gecko has a nice manual
[23:15:46] <zeeshan> wow
[23:15:54] <zeeshan> no wonder their drives are liked so much
[23:16:06] <zeeshan> their support seems really nice too
[23:16:13] <zeeshan> they say if the drive won't come out of fault
[23:16:17] <zeeshan> send it back for a free evaluation
[23:16:25] <zeeshan> amc wanted $250 for evulation
[23:16:26] <zeeshan> lol
[23:16:39] <zeeshan> and wouldn't evaluate anything more than 3 years old
[23:16:42] <zeeshan> or something silly like that
[23:16:47] <evil_ren> amc primarily sells to businesses
[23:16:58] <evil_ren> gecko not as much
[23:17:18] <furrywolf> check your timings (manual I'm reading says 2us steps, which is indeed slow), check your current set resistor is appropriate for your motors, check your motors are above the minimum inductance, check for intermittant wiring issues (i.e. bad plugs), check your charge pump is working continually (or try disabling it), check your power supply isn't dipping low or going high during use, check your e-stop isn't, umm...
[23:17:38] <zeeshan> man
[23:17:40] <zeeshan> this is AWESOME
[23:17:48] <zeeshan> all my axis have less than 0.0005 error now
[23:17:49] <zeeshan> !
[23:17:57] <zeeshan> at any given time
[23:18:00] <zeeshan> er
[23:18:02] <zeeshan> speed/position
[23:18:18] <furrywolf> check bad cables, umm...
[23:19:12] <evil_ren> if it happens at same interval i wouldnt think cables
[23:19:24] <evil_ren> heh, wiggle them
[23:19:50] <evil_ren> my guess is something thermal because it takes it a bit
[23:20:00] <furrywolf> 10 seconds isn't long enough for anything thermal
[23:20:16] <evil_ren> if something is broken or slightly shorted sure it is
[23:20:23] <evil_ren> shorted coils or some shit
[23:20:52] <furrywolf> could be...
[23:21:29] <postaL> back
[23:21:40] <postaL> #daddyduty
[23:21:48] <evil_ren> shorted coils on a stepper would maybe still work at lower industance and impedance
[23:22:53] <evil_ren> postal: have you tried one stepper at a time?
[23:23:02] <evil_ren> or changing channels
[23:23:05] <postaL> i haven't.
[23:23:18] <evil_ren> i would start running code that just drives one of the axis
[23:23:40] <evil_ren> make some sort of reference, rapid back and forth and at a few diff feeds for an hour
[23:23:42] <Rab> Or just pull the plug on one stepper at a time.
[23:23:50] <furrywolf> geckos have always struck me as toys... the slow steps being one reason.
[23:24:00] <evil_ren> rab: that might fault the gecko
[23:24:00] <furrywolf> never, even unplug a stepper with a drive powered on.
[23:24:06] <furrywolf> never, ever
[23:24:25] <evil_ren> postal: do you have fauylt lines going back to the controller?
[23:24:35] <evil_ren> or when you say fault you mean the red light
[23:24:41] <evil_ren> and the axis stop responding
[23:24:52] <evil_ren> and linuxcnc just keeps going like whatever
[23:25:29] <furrywolf> postaL: do you get realtime errors while running?
[23:25:34] <postaL> i mean red light
[23:25:40] <evil_ren> furrywolf: yeah but if you can power up a drive unloaded its kind of trashy
[23:25:50] <postaL> evil_ren: exactly what happens. red light on gecko, and linuxcnc keeps chuggin along
[23:25:53] <evil_ren> okay so the controller keeps pushing
[23:26:06] <evil_ren> all axis on the gecko stop?
[23:26:16] <evil_ren> that kind of makes it harder to torubleshoot
[23:26:31] <postaL> yes
[23:26:38] <postaL> the whole thing shuts down
[23:26:41] <evil_ren> okay so yeah, powerdown and disconnect all but one axis
[23:26:44] <furrywolf> yeah, I plan on adding drive fault detection to my machine... the computer should know if it's faulted. it's more important with mine, because I have separate drivers, and it'll crash with the remaining axises still running...
[23:26:44] <Rab> Multiple drives and they all fault at once?
[23:26:44] <evil_ren> test one at a time
[23:26:58] <evil_ren> rab: its a four channel drive
[23:27:01] <Rab> ahh
[23:27:04] <furrywolf> Rab: he's using an integrated 4-axis driver
[23:27:11] <evil_ren> so who knows how shit is bussed
[23:27:23] <evil_ren> theres prob a diagram gecko docs are good
[23:28:06] <evil_ren> postal: so yeah, cycle with one axis at a time
[23:28:10] <Rab> Maybe the PSU is faulty, and browning out 10 seconds in when the gcode has enough coordinated movement to load harder?
[23:28:16] <evil_ren> if all three work independent, try two at a time
[23:28:20] <postaL> Rab: i've tried 2 different ones
[23:28:28] <postaL> one being a $250 24v psu
[23:28:40] <evil_ren> if pairs work, try all three
[23:28:55] <postaL> ok
[23:29:00] <furrywolf> what's your motor inductance? did you check every thing on the list I typed above? heh
[23:29:17] <postaL> it's all setup as per the gecko540 instructions for linuxcnc.
[23:29:27] <postaL> i'm not at the shop right now so i don't have any of that info available to me atm
[23:29:28] <evil_ren> if single channels work and pairs or all three dont, its prob thermal or total current
[23:29:39] <evil_ren> like, input overcurrent protect
[23:29:45] <Rab> postaL, has this configuration worked for you in the past?
[23:30:05] <postaL> it has techincally cut things. the backlash was all fubar'd, but yes. t's completed a job before.
[23:30:18] <evil_ren> backlash is another issue
[23:30:45] <evil_ren> rigidity on gantry things like this is always gonna be an issue
[23:31:11] <evil_ren> i worked on a huge gantry, and the shop rumbled when it moved on its bearing ways
[23:31:12] <furrywolf> are you using the charge pump, or did you jumper it to disabled?
[23:31:43] <furrywolf> do you get realtime errors? (usually at startup, possibly while running)
[23:32:02] <postaL> i have it grounded so it doesn't turn off
[23:32:02] <evil_ren> everybody gets startup realtime errors!
[23:32:03] <evil_ren> =\
[23:32:05] <postaL> and yes realtime errors
[23:32:18] <furrywolf> ok, you should NOT get realtime errors. fix that first.
[23:32:35] <postaL> evil_ren
[23:32:35] <postaL> everybody gets startup realtime errors!
[23:32:41] <furrywolf> realtime errors will mean your step generation is crap, and may be violating timing.
[23:32:44] <postaL> but ya. i think that comes from using a ibm thinkpad t60
[23:32:50] <evil_ren> i would just buy some random PC with partport
[23:33:06] <furrywolf> ... no, not everyone does. and no one should.
[23:33:09] <postaL> ya, i keep trying to look on craigslist, not much in the santa cruz area. im gonna have to drive up to san jose and find one.
[23:33:34] <evil_ren> prob tons of shit there
[23:33:56] <postaL> what should i be looking for, just something decent w/ a parallel port?
[23:33:56] <furrywolf> what latency did you enter into stepconf? what max jigger does the latency test show?
[23:34:02] <furrywolf> jitter
[23:34:07] <postaL> furrywolf: i don't have that info in front of me
[23:34:21] <postaL> http://monterey.craigslist.org/sys/4900413573.html
[23:34:24] <postaL> that should work, ya?
[23:34:27] <postaL> dual core 1.9
[23:34:28] <evil_ren> postal: yeah non gaming shit, the vid cards dont seem to help latency
[23:34:41] <evil_ren> well i would try it
[23:35:02] <evil_ren> thats pretty much what the going random and cheap method is
[23:35:06] <FinboySlick> evil_ren: Where did you hide 'indifferent_ren'?
[23:35:08] <furrywolf> ok.. re-run the latency test. abuse the box as much as you can while it's running, such as 3d graphics. make sure the number you're entering into stepconf is that number plus a good safety margin. don't do anything to try to pretend it's lower.
[23:35:28] <evil_ren> finboyslick: some other shell
[23:35:29] <postaL> yeah, i had done that already during setup. but i can try again.
[23:35:37] <XXCoder1> jeez a shirt with real looking holser with gun on side print
[23:35:43] <XXCoder1> thats good way to get shot
[23:35:44] <furrywolf> also, don't try running on battery, only run on AC power.
[23:35:49] <Rab> postaL, this was posted the other day...the model has been tested with LinuxCNC and yields good numbers: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572
[23:36:18] <evil_ren> $40 free ship, neat
[23:36:28] <postaL> wow
[23:36:30] <furrywolf> if you still get realtime errors, run stepconf again and double the latency number, just to see if they go away.
[23:36:31] <postaL> such amaze
[23:36:34] <evil_ren> pizza box works great for cnc junk
[23:37:30] * furrywolf doesn't understand why people think they're getting the errors "at startup", when they're actually getting them every base thread period and it's just hiding them so it doesn't print a hundred thousand errors a second...
[23:37:32] <evil_ren> those thinkpads are great, tho
[23:37:53] <evil_ren> furrywolf: because it finishes the cycle and i dont lose steps so really i dont care
[23:38:18] <postaL> evil_ren: it's a t60 w/ 4gb ram
[23:38:21] <postaL> decent lil laptop
[23:38:31] <Rab> postaL, you should try removing the battery entirely. Laptops can have poor latency when the BIOS is monitoring battery health. Somebody else here was trying to use a laptop as a controller with latency problems, pulling the battery solved the issue.
[23:38:35] <postaL> but just due to what everyone says about using a laptop, ill find a desktop
[23:38:44] <postaL> Rab: i have
[23:38:50] <evil_ren> yeah new lenovo are decent work junk, but the older ones and ibm ones are tanks
[23:38:54] <furrywolf> I'm successfully using a laptop.
[23:39:00] <furrywolf> with a nice low base period, too.
[23:39:31] <evil_ren> laptops are random custom shit, rolling dice
[23:39:47] <furrywolf> it has gotchas... for example, if I switch from ac to battery, or change the screen brightness, the latency spikes to way-way-way too high...
[23:40:00] <evil_ren> change screen brightness?
[23:40:02] <Rab> evil_ren, you could say that for PC hardware in general.
[23:40:13] <Rab> ACPI call
[23:40:26] <furrywolf> it runs 11us during heavy abuse (4us during light use), but 250us if I activate anything that runs into the bios power management code...
[23:40:35] <evil_ren> yeah but standard pc hardware is easier to strip out to almost nothing
[23:40:35] <furrywolf> like power source switching, screen brightness, etc.
[23:41:04] <evil_ren> laptops are more likely to have a useless bios than a desktop build from a mobo from a typical oem
[23:41:26] <evil_ren> laptops are going to have more thermal issues on average
[23:41:47] <furrywolf> I think I have a 15us base period at the moment (I was playing with it, not sure) with no realtime errors. lower I'd get one in the middle of cutting if I was multitasking.
[23:41:55] <evil_ren> screens always fuckup, which is a non issue on a desktop
[23:42:02] <postaL> who here got that ebay HP?
[23:42:49] <Rab> postaL, pcw_home posted the link, the stats are here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[23:43:16] <evil_ren> pcw also noted those stats dont matter
[23:43:19] <evil_ren> shrug
[23:43:20] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:44:22] <Rab> evil_ren, you mean from unit to unit in real life? Or is the test itself suspect?
[23:44:33] <evil_ren> my atom thing was easily top 5%, abused, testing for days, but he says atoms suck
[23:44:56] <evil_ren> and that the jitter number on latency-test doesnt matter in actual use
[23:44:56] <furrywolf> postaL: for testing, just keep rerunning stepconf and upping the jitter you tell it until the realtime errors go away, then see if the faulting drives go away too. if they keep faulting, you know the problem wasn't the realtime errors.
[23:45:16] <postaL> furrywolf: thnx for the pointers. ill try to play w/ it some tomorrow.
[23:45:27] <evil_ren> rab: in use it was fine, better behaved than my other shit, it died for unknown reasons while living at a shop at sonos
[23:45:48] <furrywolf> you should never get one of those errors. if you are, it means you could be generating close to random pulses, rather than proper drive signals. heh.
[23:46:05] <evil_ren> there was a 240v plug with a 20A 120vac plug in there
[23:46:15] <evil_ren> so maybe it got plugged into wrong outlet, shrug
[23:46:39] <furrywolf> I see that done too often. I don't know why people don't just buy the right plug.
[23:46:46] <postaL> well thanks guys. i gotta go put my son to bed.
[23:46:50] <evil_ren> furrywolf: yeah but part finish says that steps are okay
[23:46:52] <evil_ren> shrug
[23:46:55] <postaL> ill play with it this weekend and see what i can make happen
[23:47:13] <furrywolf> evil_ren: maybe yours are ok, but his could well be causing problems.
[23:47:22] <evil_ren> yeah definitely
[23:47:23] <Rab> evil_ren, PSU should accept 80-240V for the world market?
[23:47:25] <furrywolf> and I need to get to bed too. bbl.
[23:47:35] <evil_ren> rab: might have been switched?
[23:47:53] <evil_ren> nope, unswitched
[23:48:07] <evil_ren> no idea, lots of sawdust in there
[23:48:30] <evil_ren> was the mobo, pretty much everything else tested as working on another system
[23:48:48] <evil_ren> intel mobo
[23:51:30] <evil_ren> but yeah not exactly sure why an atom would do poorly in actual use and suck at latency-test
[23:52:07] <evil_ren> he mentioned something about latency-test doesnt actually do anything, but i dont know anything about specifics
[23:54:29] <evil_ren> maybe latency testing is like bogo mipping, shrug
[23:54:41] <zeeshan> fak
[23:54:46] <zeeshan> this lubrication logic is confusing me
[23:54:47] <zeeshan> lol
[23:55:32] <FinboySlick> I run some pretty good latency numbers on an atom.
[23:57:25] <zeeshan> if (m/c and axis and !delay_lube) { run pump; wait 20 seconds; if !input14 { we have a problem shut off pump permanently } }
[23:57:27] <zeeshan> hm