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[00:48:52] <MacGalempsy> alright i told it to move 10 and it moved 9.9997!
[00:56:17] <Cromaglious> MacGalempsy, what's your distance per step?
[00:57:17] <MacGalempsy> its a closed loop servo system
[00:58:43] <Cromaglious> What's the distance between index pulses?
[00:59:22] <MacGalempsy> so when I hit the hard limit switch my Y axis is at -0.5183 how do I rest this to zero?
[00:59:42] <Cromaglious> what's the error on homing after it hits the index pulse?
[01:00:16] <Cromaglious> is that supposed to be 0?
[01:00:34] <Cromaglious> my limit switch is at -0.25
[01:01:08] <MacGalempsy> 50000 pulses per inch
[01:01:49] <Cromaglious> A-B pulses... is there an index pulse?
[01:01:53] <MacGalempsy> probably could use a little more tuning.
[01:02:18] <MacGalempsy> its been a while since I went through all that. I think it is .25 per turn
[01:02:29] <Cromaglious> it's in in the .ini file
[01:02:51] <MacGalempsy> deadband?
[01:03:06] <Cromaglious> something like that... I only read it in passing..
[01:03:44] <MacGalempsy> deadband = 0.00002
[01:03:56] <Cromaglious> HOME_OFFSET = -0.200000
[01:03:56] <Cromaglious> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 1.000000
[01:03:56] <Cromaglious> HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.196850
[01:03:56] <Cromaglious> HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
[01:04:22] <Cromaglious> oops -0.20 not -0.25
[01:05:04] <MacGalempsy> i have those marked out
[01:05:46] <MacGalempsy> this is all so fresh to me that when something actually works, im very happy
[01:07:27] <MacGalempsy> the guys at copely control corp said they did extensive PID tuning on these amplifiers. do you think if I got those numbers from them I could just put them into this and have fantastic results?
[01:08:05] <Cromaglious> if you're running the same everything
[01:08:27] <MacGalempsy> everything except the old motherboard
[01:09:35] <Cromaglious> 02
[01:09:55] <Cromaglious> servo control is off loaded onto a control right?
[01:10:00] <Cromaglious> servo control is off loaded onto a controler right?
[01:10:13] <Cromaglious> so the MB doesn't need to be that fast
[01:11:10] <MacGalempsy> this is all japanese to me.
[01:11:53] <MacGalempsy> they tuned the controls, but I still need to pid tune, right?
[01:19:06] <MacGalempsy> Cromaglious: do you use mesa?
[01:19:54] <Cromaglious> nope mach3 breakout board and steppers on tb6560 drivers
[01:20:02] <Cromaglious> OLD school
[01:20:30] <MacGalempsy> in HAL I am trying how to turn on/off pins from command line. any help?
[01:20:44] <MacGalempsy> ran show pins
[01:20:56] <Cromaglious> no idea.... I editted the hal configuration
[01:21:40] <Cromaglious> moved aall limits and home for each axis onto one pin
[01:24:34] <Cromaglious> oops all homes on pin 11 all limits on pin 10
[01:26:16] <Cromaglious> bbl gotta wash die out of my hair
[01:43:58] <Cromaglious> back
[01:44:12] <Cromaglious> damn grey hair
[01:44:37] <Cromaglious> vanquished for another 2 months...
[02:02:15] <archivist> MacGalempsy, some inaccuracy is to be expected (nothing is absolutely perfect), it just needs quantifying to see what the error sources are and if correctable
[02:04:00] <archivist> or within acceptable limits for the technology
[02:11:50] <MacGalempsy> archivist: the tuning could be better because at high velocities a following error occurs
[02:13:01] <archivist> JT has a tuning guide on his site
[02:14:03] <archivist> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
[02:14:31] <MacGalempsy> thats what I used last time, but it was a few years ago
[02:14:46] <archivist> I had some fun eating my own dogfood in measuring an axis error http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[02:15:05] <archivist> he has updated that page since
[02:15:30] <MacGalempsy> since it moves at slow for no. i would like to work towarsds getting the rest of the stuff to work
[02:16:27] <MacGalempsy> I have 12 relays that actuate various items. do you know how I can manually "flip the switch" using halcmd?
[02:18:49] <archivist> setp http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
[02:27:43] <MacGalempsy> thanks.
[02:31:34] <Deejay> moin
[02:35:57] <MacGalempsy> Deejay: hi
[02:43:10] <Deejay> hi MacGalempsy :)
[02:43:18] <MacGalempsy> you staying warm today?
[02:55:58] <anarchos> do frame sizes refer to the bolt spacing on servos?
[02:56:28] <MacGalempsy> like nema40?
[02:56:51] <anarchos> metric, 60mm, 80mm, 100mm, etc
[02:57:05] <MacGalempsy> I think so
[02:57:51] <MacGalempsy> yeah. they do
[02:58:10] <anarchos> centre to centre, in a square, I assume?
[02:59:12] <MacGalempsy> the spec sheet for the model you would buy shows the diagram
[05:22:21] <MacGalempsy> anyone still awake?
[05:27:05] <archivist> not everybody is in your timezone
[05:27:40] <SpeedEvil> 11AM here.
[05:27:51] <SpeedEvil> I'm significantly over 50% awake
[05:29:03] <evil_ren> 3am
[05:29:05] <evil_ren> still awake
[05:29:58] <MacGalempsy> ahahaha
[05:30:03] <MacGalempsy> 0500 here
[05:52:21] <MacGalempsy> morning
[06:11:21] <Loetmichel> *yawn*... already 4 hours at work, still not fully awake... *mornin*
[06:11:54] <MacGalempsy> nice. im just getting off work... still reading stuff to try and get things to work...
[06:12:49] <Cromaglious> yea itslinux.org is almost back up
[06:26:12] <Cromaglious> itslinux.org IS back up
[06:37:43] <CaptHindsight> -12F (-24C) what am I doing here?
[06:38:15] <skunkworks> -12 here on the drive in too
[06:40:07] <CaptHindsight> it's warmer anywhere in Alaska today
[06:41:01] <MacGalempsy> question: iat -12F you should be thinking about a vacation towards the equator!
[06:41:33] <MacGalempsy> we got down to 17F
[06:41:39] <MacGalempsy> shorts weather!
[06:55:05] <MacGalempsy> question I am trying the pyvcp tutorial and would like to know where to save the example xml files
[06:55:32] <skunkworks> I have mine in the config directory (that has your ini and hal files)
[06:56:51] <MacGalempsy> when I try to run this in terminal "halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypanel tiny.xml" it comes back with too many arguments
[06:59:23] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html#_stand_alone
[07:00:20] <MacGalempsy> ok
[07:05:43] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: I was attempting the 2. Panel Construction
[07:06:01] <MacGalempsy> the tiny.xml
[07:07:43] <MacGalempsy> does linuxcnc need to be running?
[07:11:41] <JT-Shop> sorry, I have to take my wife to work be back later
[07:23:16] <pcw_home> If linuxcnc is running you can use halcmd
[07:35:15] <MacGalempsy> going to hit the sack. will be back around 1 or 2. thanks for the help guys
[07:35:22] <jdh> y'all gey up way too early
[07:35:27] <jdh> get
[09:12:35] <_methods> i've never actually looked at the cnczone linuxcnc forums..........now i know why
[09:17:41] <ssi> morn
[09:17:42] <_methods> this one guy actually had to search for information on the mesa site
[09:17:56] <_methods> i think he hates mesa now
[09:18:42] <_methods> seems very upset about teh 1995 website pcw_home
[09:19:01] <ssi> lol
[09:19:13] <archivist> there is no pleasing some people
[09:19:16] <ssi> he's welcome to buy his hardware from someone with a flashier website
[09:19:23] <_methods> it's hilarious
[09:19:55] <archivist> flashy websites are very often broken and unusable
[09:21:50] <PetefromTn_> probably one of the folks who had Mach3 on their Tormach and now knows he needs to switch camps heh
[09:22:12] <_methods> there are some real machtards on there for sure
[09:23:15] <PetefromTn_> Oh I was reading last night some of the comments about the news on Tormach's forum.. jeez
[09:24:02] <_methods> they're mad?
[09:24:17] <PetefromTn_> No not mad really..
[09:24:39] <_methods> i guess i can understand if you're only capable of using windows
[09:24:49] <PetefromTn_> just a lot of comments about how it has always worked fine for them and not wanting to switch
[09:24:55] <_methods> probably alienates the majority of their users
[09:25:16] <_methods> kinda llike giving apple people a mouse with 2 buttons
[09:25:23] <_methods> it just confused them and made them angry
[09:26:12] <PetefromTn_> It is kind of amusing that the builder of their machines sees the improvements and better stability and other obvious points about the move and they are still wanting to bury their heads in the sand....
[09:27:10] <_methods> can't fix...............
[09:28:00] <dirty_d> linuxcnc can only step steppers at a multiple of (1 / BASE_PERIOD) Hz right?
[09:28:57] <archivist> use a mesa card for higher
[09:29:11] <cradek> no
[09:29:24] <cradek> stepgen doesn't quantize like that
[09:29:44] <cradek> when it runs, if a step is needed since last time, it makes one
[09:29:53] <dirty_d> right
[09:29:55] <cradek> that gives intermediate rates (with higher jitter)
[09:30:04] <dirty_d> so every base period it either steps or doesnt
[09:30:09] <cradek> yep
[09:30:24] <dirty_d> so then it is a multiple of that frequency
[09:30:32] <cradek> well no
[09:30:32] <PetefromTn_> or you can just buy a cheap mesa card and not worry about any of that...
[09:30:43] <cradek> say you get a step 2 out of every 3 times it runs
[09:31:04] <cradek> it's a lousy (jittery) waveform, but it's not at base period, and it's not at 2*base period
[09:31:25] <cradek> if it was quantized like you say, you couldn't follow many paths
[09:31:38] <dirty_d> if my base period is 40,000ns, then it can step at 20,00Hz, 10,000Hz, 6666.6Hz
[09:31:42] <cradek> of course hardware stepgen is better
[09:31:43] <dirty_d> right>
[09:31:45] <dirty_d> ?
[09:31:58] <cradek> no!
[09:32:19] <cradek> it can step on average every 30000 ns too, or any other value
[09:32:45] <cradek> think of it as stepping to maintain position, not as rates
[09:33:11] <dirty_d> ahh
[09:33:22] <cradek> imagine an algorithm like: if the commanded position is now closer to the next step than the current one, issue a step
[09:34:50] <cradek> er I misspoke: if period is 40000ns, you can't step every 30000ns of course, but you can (on average) every 50000ns
[09:39:51] <dirty_d> ok that makes sense
[09:41:58] <dirty_d> is there a good reason the period isnt dynamic? like schedule the thread to run at the exact time the next step should be?
[09:43:39] <cradek> that's not how the usual stepgen algorithm works, but I can see how it would be nice (I don't know if any rtos supports that kind of scheduling though)
[09:44:26] <archivist> would not be simple with 9 stepgens :)
[09:45:06] <cradek> yeah might not be practical
[09:49:29] <dirty_d> ok
[11:08:23] <_methods> wtf is up with everyone doing cnc pancakes
[11:08:26] <_methods> http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Pancake-portraits-future/story-26038719-detail/story.html
[11:11:48] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I like pancakes but I don't want to look down at my breakfast and see someone looking back at me..... well maybe Angelina?
[11:11:51] <TekniQue> surely it's easiest to just bake a normal pancake and then laser etch it
[11:12:02] <pcw_home> thats an interesting technique anyway (the long on the pan the darker)
[11:12:09] <pcw_home> longer
[11:12:25] <pcw_home> and no nasty laser taste!
[11:13:55] <ssi> laser does make food taste nasty
[11:14:37] <skunkworks> ssi, what did you cook on your laser?
[11:15:07] <ssi> I marked some toast :)
[11:15:40] <PetefromTn_> and his house....unfortunately hehe
[11:15:43] <ssi> I tried to pop a popcorn kernel but it didn't work
[11:15:59] <PetefromTn_> how come it would not pop a popcorn kernel?
[11:16:05] <ssi> I dunno
[11:16:09] <PetefromTn_> it worked in Real Genius or whatever it was...
[11:16:10] <ssi> focused it would just blow a hole through it
[11:16:15] <ssi> unfocused it just blackened the top
[11:16:31] <PetefromTn_> love that movie hehehe
[11:16:56] <ssi> maybe if I'd coated it in oil
[11:17:34] <PetefromTn_> maybe a focused beam from a longer distance....like a B1?
[11:17:39] <archivist> cooking requires time for the heat to conduct, my mother did not know that, she used to do cold and burnt beans in the same saucepan
[11:19:13] <skunkworks> heh
[11:20:18] <PetefromTn_> from the sounds of that article the pancake is BUILT from start to finish in the time it takes to actually cook the pancake.... JEEZ that machine must really haul ass!!
[11:20:58] <dirty_d> anyone know of a better deal than this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-HSS-TIN-COATED-COAT-2-4-FLUTE-END-MILL-SET-MILLS-/351003084170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b96a058a
[11:22:29] <ssi> I've had sets like that, and they're junky
[11:22:59] <ssi> honestly I think you're better off getting one or two sizes at a time of good quality endmills... buy what you need when you need it
[11:23:37] <PetefromTn_> agreed those are trash.. had a set when I first started...
[11:23:42] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/9336-lot-of-10-Niagara-Endmill-End-Mill-5-16-x-3-8-x-3-4-35100-HSS4-10-pieces/361202679222?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29171%26meid%3D476efd5fff5a425fa234a7a00548aff5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D351003084170&rt=nc
[11:23:47] <ssi> THATs a good deal :)
[11:25:07] <dirty_d> good enough for aluminum and unhardened steel though right?
[11:25:54] <ssi> not in my opinion
[11:26:02] <ssi> will they cut it? sure
[11:26:27] <PetefromTn_> buy the cutter you need for the job. Before you know it you will have an assortment
[11:26:46] <dirty_d> what makes them junky?
[11:27:25] <archivist> alu needs different chip clearance to steel
[11:27:56] <ssi> the coating sucks, they gall up cutting aluminum... they're soft, steel will knock the teeth off them if you're not careful, or you'll overheat them and burn them
[11:28:21] <ssi> trust me, quality tools are a JOY to use compared to stuff like that
[11:28:35] <ssi> you can buy three quality endmills for the price of that set
[11:28:53] <dirty_d> what kind though? just uncoated HSS?
[11:29:02] <ssi> whatever you need
[11:30:15] <PetefromTn_> I use and recommend Maritool cutters...also Lakeshore Carbide makes good stuff... the cutter design depends on what you need to cut.
[11:34:55] <dirty_d> they only make carbide?
[11:35:23] <dirty_d> if im not making parts for nasa, wont the cheap ones do? lol
[11:39:11] <jdh> cheap cutters suck
[11:39:29] <jdh> and are more expensive than good ones
[11:46:14] <Rab> dirty_d, choose the cutter for the material, not for the customer.
[11:46:57] <dirty_d> isnt that what youre supposed to use for aluminum? 2-flute HSS?
[11:47:26] <dirty_d> ive been using uncoated 4-flute on aluminum and its been working fine
[11:49:38] <Rab> Sure! But those chinese end mills have a really poor finish under their dubious TiN coating, like some sweatshop kid finished them up with a die grinder. The chip is likely to stick to it when you need it to slide smoothly free.
[11:59:11] <CaptHindsight> _methods: cnc breakfast foods are the future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oga_4uoCvnA
[12:00:17] <pcw_home> somehow I read chinese endmills as "cheese endmills"
[12:01:01] <PetefromTn_> well you were not far wrong there man hehe
[12:03:19] <dirty_d> Rab, like this? http://www.amazon.com/Kodiak-Diameter-Solid-Carbide-Flute/dp/B0070YYLLI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1424367663&sr=8-5&keywords=3%2F8%22+2+flute+end+mill
[12:03:23] <dirty_d> but that looks rough too
[12:05:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/product_categories/view/2100602/HSS_2_Flute_Tin_Coated from China
[12:07:23] <dirty_d> CaptHindsight, so crap?
[12:07:41] <zeeshan> ive tried the roughing chinese end mills
[12:07:42] <zeeshan> hss
[12:07:44] <zeeshan> no good :/
[12:07:57] <CaptHindsight> they work ok if the coolant is running
[12:08:17] <CaptHindsight> not good when cutting dry
[12:10:10] <dirty_d> my chinese ones work good with WD-40
[12:10:19] <dirty_d> my chinese and only ones
[12:14:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/whether-like-3d-printed-food-way/
[12:14:33] * zeeshan wishes tool makers advertised cutting edge radius
[12:15:09] <archivist> I just want effin sharp
[12:16:15] <jdh> I have some chinese ones that will slice your finget if you hold them
[12:16:36] <jdh> but the dont cut Al worth crap
[12:16:44] <zeeshan> lol
[12:17:46] <dirty_d> these are the ones i bought when i made my mill http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1243&category=-1180321415
[12:19:14] <dirty_d> cant complain
[12:19:21] <dirty_d> i assume the same company makes these http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1244
[12:21:15] <PetefromTn_> you get what you pay for man.... will they cut? Sure... for how long and to what quality of finish...who knows.
[12:22:47] <unfy> all of the chinese. all of it. j/k
[12:23:41] <zeeshan> mari tool's micrograin carbide endm ills dont say made in usa
[12:23:44] <zeeshan> they might be chinese
[12:25:04] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Finishers-Square-End-2-Flute-Single-End-Uncoated/c78_79_80_223/p2162/End-Mill-2-Flute-Solid-Carbide-3/4-dia-X-1.50-Flute-Length/product_info.html
[12:25:06] <zeeshan> pretty sure these are chinese
[12:25:25] <zeeshan> getting sold for 4x the cost
[12:25:25] <zeeshan> :P
[12:26:24] <PetefromTn_> no but there is some question as to whether they are US made or what from what I have read.
[12:26:57] <zeeshan> you gotta be careful of a place that sells both :P
[12:28:16] <PetefromTn_> having bought quite a few things from them I have never had anything but good experiences. Take it for what it cost ye....
[12:28:40] <zeeshan> bias! :P
[12:29:27] <zeeshan> most of my carbide cutters are niagara cutter or hanita
[12:29:31] <zeeshan> i am biased towards them :P
[12:32:34] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[12:32:46] <zeeshan> do your grind your own flats on end mills?
[12:33:18] <PetefromTn_> I have some of those too... all them are decent and last awhile. Maritool and LSC are as good but cheaper in my experience. There is also some new ones the last shop I worked in had that were quite good and are cheap called...YS or something
[12:33:28] <PetefromTn_> I have before why
[12:33:35] <zeeshan> how to do it on carbide
[12:33:53] <Tom_itx> with a diamond or carbide cutting wheel silly boy
[12:33:54] <PetefromTn_> well in the shop we used the surface grinder with the fixture
[12:33:57] <dirty_d> is cobalt much better than HSS where temperature isnt a problem?
[12:34:10] <zeeshan> dirty_d: makes a hell of a difference in stainless!
[12:34:20] <zeeshan> m42
[12:34:33] <dirty_d> zeeshan, how with galling?
[12:35:00] <zeeshan> use coolant
[12:36:22] <Tom_itx> use WD40 for everything!!
[12:36:42] <dirty_d> i was surprised how much of a difference WD-40 actually makes, lol
[12:37:12] <PetefromTn_> I like WD40 but it is a poor substitute for a good flood coolant hehe..
[12:37:26] <PetefromTn_> it works okay in aluminum I think.
[12:37:50] <Tom_itx> whale oil
[12:38:02] <ssi> zeeshan: did you see the drill I borrowed from delta?
[12:38:07] <zeeshan> no
[12:38:14] <dirty_d> is there a type of end mill taht works well for almost anything except hardened steel?
[12:38:29] <dirty_d> not excellent, but well
[12:38:33] <zeeshan> 2 flute carbide
[12:38:34] <_methods> 4 fluted carbide endmill
[12:38:38] <dirty_d> lol
[12:38:40] <_methods> it will work on anything
[12:38:40] <zeeshan> as long as you dont have crazy run out
[12:38:41] <Tom_itx> 3 flute carbide
[12:38:42] <ssi> zeeshan: I needed to open these 1/4" holes up to 3/8" and bush them: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRGzGIAAAfqhR.jpg:large
[12:38:44] <Tom_itx> fwt
[12:38:49] <Tom_itx> ftw*
[12:38:51] <ssi> zeeshan: and some of them are inside ribs that are impossible to get to
[12:39:01] <Tom_itx> i actually don't like 3flute
[12:39:07] <dirty_d> uncoated carbide?
[12:39:07] <zeeshan> 90 angle drill? :D
[12:39:14] <_methods> i'm no fan of 3 fluters either
[12:39:19] <ssi> zeeshan: yes exactly, which I have already
[12:39:22] <ssi> zeeshan: but I needed the right bit
[12:39:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what do you think i do with all my broken drills?
[12:39:24] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRHcsIQAE6f_C.jpg:large
[12:39:25] <_methods> but if i had to pick just one endmill it woudl be a 4 flute
[12:39:31] <_methods> since it would work for steel also
[12:39:34] <zeeshan> thats nice
[12:39:37] <Tom_itx> they either become center punches or endmills :)
[12:39:40] <zeeshan> thats the one that uses square drive
[12:39:40] <zeeshan> right?
[12:39:44] <ssi> my friend took me up to the Delta maintenance shop at Hartsfield and we checked it out of the tool crib
[12:39:49] <ssi> no it's 1/4-20 threaded
[12:39:53] <zeeshan> ah
[12:39:58] <zeeshan> not common :P
[12:40:06] <ssi> that's a .373x.248 stubby threaded core drill
[12:40:13] <ssi> <3 aviation tools :D
[12:40:19] <PetefromTn_> I love 3 flute endmills in aluminum
[12:40:29] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: poke people with em
[12:40:32] <_methods> i just use 2 flute
[12:40:46] <zeeshan> 2 flute doesnt need as much feed
[12:40:50] <_methods> you can get a better finish i think with 3 flute
[12:40:51] <zeeshan> :P
[12:40:58] <dirty_d> so 4-flute carbide, but with what type or no coating?
[12:41:00] <Tom_itx> 2 flute for aluminum, 4 flute for steel
[12:41:07] <zeeshan> dirty_d: you want 2 flute!
[12:41:09] <Tom_itx> and titanium
[12:41:10] <_methods> what tom said
[12:41:12] <zeeshan> unless you want to feed fast
[12:41:25] <zeeshan> and you get 4 flute, make sure its center cutting
[12:41:29] <dirty_d> zeeshan, for steel or aluminum?
[12:41:33] <zeeshan> both
[12:41:42] <zeeshan> dont forget the basics..
[12:41:49] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i try to get all mine centercutting
[12:41:50] <zeeshan> rpm = 4*sfm / diameter of cutter
[12:41:50] <dirty_d> so 4-flute is worse for aluminum than 2-flute is worse than for steel?
[12:42:02] <_methods> 3.86*sfm
[12:42:02] <zeeshan> feed = rpm * number of teeth * chip load per tooth
[12:42:06] <Tom_itx> i don't think roughing endmills come centercutting
[12:42:07] <zeeshan> methods hush
[12:42:12] <zeeshan> :P
[12:42:14] <Tom_itx> smaller ones might
[12:42:33] <zeeshan> dirty_d: with 4 flute, you dont have as much evacuation space
[12:42:39] <zeeshan> so you start getting chip packing
[12:42:45] <Tom_itx> but then wtf would you be roughing with a small endmill?
[12:42:47] <zeeshan> this is a problem with a ductile material
[12:43:21] <dirty_d> i constantly blast the cutter with an airgun
[12:43:32] <zeeshan> that helps
[12:43:35] <Tom_itx> i bet that's noisy
[12:43:38] <dirty_d> with wd-40 too
[12:43:40] <zeeshan> but you really need coolant
[12:43:41] <zeeshan> or wd
[12:43:45] <Tom_itx> along with your vaccuum pump...
[12:43:49] <dirty_d> i wasnt getting any chips stuck with 4 flute hss on aluminum
[12:43:50] <Tom_itx> gawd
[12:43:55] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glanze-MT2-20-mm-Indexable-Endmill-with-3-APKT-Inserts-for-Milling-Machine-etc-/371189297028 20mm too big?
[12:44:18] <zeeshan> dirty_d: do the math
[12:44:22] <zeeshan> can your machine feed fast enough?
[12:44:27] <Tom_itx> dirty_d then you're not feeding it hard enough
[12:44:28] <zeeshan> for the size of cutter you have
[12:44:29] <MattyMatt> I broke a tooth off my favourite 4 flute carbide, it was only 3mm diameter
[12:44:41] <dirty_d> zeeshan, yea my machine can only do 2000 rpm
[12:45:02] <Tom_itx> time for a new spindle
[12:45:03] <zeeshan> so yea if youre using carbide 2 flute
[12:45:14] <zeeshan> 2000 * 2 * 0.005
[12:45:22] <dirty_d> i dont really need to upgrade anything yet, because it doesnt get used enough to warrant it
[12:45:24] <zeeshan> 20 ipm feed is ok?
[12:45:24] <zeeshan> :P
[12:45:31] <zeeshan> thats like on the low side of things
[12:45:41] <dirty_d> it will go over 100
[12:45:46] <dirty_d> but i dont ever push it that hard
[12:45:53] <PetefromTn_> there is no perfect cutter for any material and the number of teeth needs to be figured into feeds and speeds regardless. It comes down to chip evacuation and the material choice..
[12:46:09] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lies
[12:46:21] <Tom_itx> heh
[12:46:45] <zeeshan> i;d say there is no perfect general purpose cutter :P
[12:47:01] <dirty_d> theres no perfect general purpose anything
[12:47:26] <MattyMatt> with an insert head, you can at least change the inserts
[12:47:41] <zeeshan> i like indexable holders
[12:47:43] <MattyMatt> sharper ones for alu etc
[12:47:46] <zeeshan> but becareful!
[12:47:52] <zeeshan> if you crash one , $$$$$$4
[12:47:58] <_methods> $4?
[12:48:03] <zeeshan> $
[12:48:04] <zeeshan> :-)
[12:48:16] <_methods> $4 CAD
[12:48:22] <zeeshan> =[
[12:48:25] <_methods> hahah
[12:48:33] <MattyMatt> there's a chinese 2 flute/insert one here for £18 + inserts
[12:48:36] <zeeshan> that is like 10 cents us right now
[12:49:04] <PetefromTn_> check out the YG1 brand V7 series cutters.... they are reasonable and work really well.
[12:49:07] <Tom_itx> just get high quality carbide cutters and you won't regret it
[12:49:17] <dirty_d> what coating though for 2-flute carbide for aluminum or steel
[12:49:18] <Tom_itx> they will outperform any chinese knockoff
[12:49:19] <zeeshan> why not hss
[12:49:24] <_methods> those yg-1's are nice
[12:49:38] <Tom_itx> for some things coated hss is ok
[12:49:50] <_methods> if you want to buy US micro100 makes good solid carbide
[12:50:03] <PetefromTn_> I would get uncoated for aluminum..
[12:50:34] <dirty_d> jeez, thats expensive http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/36699049
[12:50:53] <_methods> hahahhahaha
[12:51:05] <dirty_d> well, expensive for the cheapest one on the site, lol
[12:51:05] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[12:51:14] <MattyMatt> I heard on the radio today that Stanley/B&D manufactured their first power tool in US in 25 years. soon the chinese brands will be made in US too >:)
[12:51:36] <PetefromTn_> LSC makes good tools man.
[12:51:44] <dirty_d> zeeshan, where did you come up with the 0.005" chip load?
[12:51:46] <_methods> unless you're doing production or cutting hardened material for the hobby machinist you might as well stick with HSS
[12:51:58] <dirty_d> thats what i figured
[12:52:23] <dirty_d> my endmills dont even get hot to the touch on my mill
[12:52:26] <dirty_d> and thats with no coolant
[12:52:35] <MattyMatt> or carbon steel is even easier to sharpen than HSS
[12:52:36] <Tom_itx> well they shouldn't
[12:52:36] <dirty_d> 2000rpm isnt very fast
[12:52:39] <PetefromTn_> if they get hot you are doing it wrong LOL
[12:52:43] <Tom_itx> if they get hot they're not cutting
[12:53:40] <zeeshan> dirty_d: charts online
[12:53:43] <zeeshan> give you a range
[12:54:12] <dirty_d> this isnt bad http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/38dia2fluteendmill-1.aspx
[12:54:35] <MattyMatt> at low rpm, you can get higher sfm by using a larger diameter
[12:55:12] <Tom_itx> the sfm is the same
[12:55:25] <PetefromTn_> HSS endmills are fine but even on my cheap flimsy machines I used both carbide and HSS. I have run a BUNCH of HSS aluminum parts lately with a 3/8 four flute from Fastenal believe it or not..
[12:56:19] <evil_ren> i dont like hss for my open step micro mill because it wears instead of chips and will eventually lock up an axis
[12:56:21] <PetefromTn_> it was HSS as is the 1/4 finish endmill I am using to do profile and internal contours. Leaves a nice finish and was pretty cheap really..
[12:56:27] <evil_ren> carbide will chip but still cut
[12:56:29] <_methods> Tom_itx: thx for that carbide link
[12:56:32] <_methods> they have good prices
[12:56:34] <evil_ren> finish will be ass but cycle will finish
[12:56:52] <Tom_itx> _methods i hear they're good cutters too
[12:56:55] <Tom_itx> jt uses them
[12:57:02] <_methods> for those prices i'll be finding out lol
[12:57:07] <MattyMatt> how is sfm the same? I thought it was speed of the teeth at the corners that counted with an endmill
[12:57:17] <_methods> $160 for 1" 4fl
[12:57:32] <_methods> 1.5" LOC 4"OAL
[12:57:34] <_methods> i'll take it
[12:57:55] <Tom_itx> ever try travers?
[12:57:59] <MattyMatt> now that's already more expensive than that glanze
[12:58:03] <Tom_itx> we used to get cutters from them
[12:58:17] <_methods> yeah travers, enco
[12:58:23] <_methods> the usual suspects lol
[12:58:37] <_methods> i was just going to drop a travers link in here this am
[12:58:53] <_methods> was 5 dial indicators 1-4" for like $70
[12:58:57] <Tom_itx> pretty easy to figure out...
[12:59:20] <Tom_itx> i used to get their catalog
[12:59:29] <zeeshan> _methods
[12:59:30] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1-carbide-endmill-4-x1-3-4-4flut-brand-new-/221692792745?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339deb8fa9
[12:59:31] <zeeshan> :D
[13:00:09] <Tom_itx> they had to hide the business end...
[13:00:21] <zeeshan> brand new :P
[13:00:27] <_methods> yeah that's a nice score
[13:00:56] <_methods> 1 definitely looks like a regrind though
[13:00:58] <Tom_itx> once you reach that diameter it's almost profitable to get insert cutters
[13:00:58] <_methods> the one on the right
[13:02:26] <_methods> still their 1/2" dia 1" LOC 3" OAL 4fl is $34
[13:02:34] <MattyMatt> not almost. £65 for the glanze, that's ~$100 from a reputable UK supplier
[13:02:56] <MattyMatt> 20mm 3 flute
[13:03:10] <MattyMatt> weird special inserts, but hey
[13:04:37] <PetefromTn_> http://fox13now.com/2015/02/19/suv-frozen-in-time-in-parking-lot-after-ice-storm/ Pretty cool..
[13:05:10] <_methods> the same end mill with variable helix is only $48
[13:05:52] <_methods> $5 extra for wheldon flat
[13:06:03] * _methods will just get out grinder i think
[13:07:21] <MattyMatt> PetefromTn_, fiberglass the inside :)
[13:07:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah and do it quick like hehe..
[13:07:40] <MattyMatt> or sprayfoam, if it's just for a laugh
[13:08:09] <MattyMatt> both exothermic, now I engage the LGC
[13:12:41] <Psyfull> Hi everyone, I'm trying to contact "andypugh" (he may have changed his pseduo) on recommandation of Marcin Jakubowski of Open Source Ecology. Anyone could point me in the right direction ? Thanks !
[13:13:00] <_methods> he'll probably be on in a little bit
[13:13:08] <_methods> it's still early for him
[13:13:24] <_methods> maybe around 3pm est
[13:14:09] <dirty_d> I wonder if these are any good? http://www.mcmaster.com/#30225a72/=vzabsd
[13:14:37] <_methods> for $10 more you could get carbide from msc
[13:14:42] <_methods> tht last link you posted
[13:14:44] <zeeshan> long live GPL
[13:14:47] <zeeshan> and fu tormach !
[13:15:00] <zeeshan> ive been following the mailing list
[13:15:01] <Psyfull> Good to know thanks. I'll do my best to be back around 3pm est. Cheers.
[13:16:06] <FinboySlick> dirty_d: I think there are certain types of coating that you want to avoid in aluminium, makes the endmill more sticky.
[13:16:17] <FinboySlick> Psyfull: Assuming you want those for alu, of course.
[13:16:19] <dirty_d> FinboySlick, pretty sure its the one with Al in it
[13:16:42] <dirty_d> TiCN says for aluminum
[13:17:19] <FinboySlick> OK. If you're going to spin it very fast, you might also consider single-flute.
[13:17:23] <dirty_d> TiAlN is not for aluminum
[13:17:34] <dirty_d> im gonna spin it very slow
[13:23:49] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-carbide-endmill-for-aluminum-roughing-3-4-LOC/151536042291 would something like that do? that lloks good for aggressive cutting
[13:24:03] <Simonious> http://www.candcnc.com/PSC-650.htm <- would it be a bad idea to just hook a supply to the geckos, hook up step and direction and go - instead?
[13:25:09] <_methods> not sure what you're asking there
[13:25:59] <Simonious> I'm saying skip the extra electronics, hook the geckos to the PC, power to the Geckos and obviously the motors to the geckos and skip the candcnc extras
[13:26:10] <_methods> sure
[13:26:26] <_methods> i think most people just hook up to their own power supplies
[13:26:45] * Simonious nods
[13:27:44] <_methods> are you using their THC or something?
[13:28:00] <Simonious> sorry, expand THC for me, what?
[13:28:05] <_methods> torch height control
[13:28:10] <_methods> for plasma
[13:28:38] <Simonious> no, pulled the torch off, still running the table with that box, but thinking about pulling the box and only using the geckos
[13:28:58] <Simonious> just have a router on it now
[13:29:05] <_methods> ok
[13:29:56] <Simonious> I just want to know if that is a terrible idea for any reason
[13:30:05] <_methods> not that i know of
[13:30:13] <Simonious> Based on what I think I know about geckos it'd be a lot cleaner setup
[13:30:26] <_methods> i think they only reason you would use their stuff is if you wanted "support" from them setting up
[13:30:34] <_methods> s/they/the
[13:30:37] * Simonious nods
[13:30:42] <Simonious> that's a big 'don't care'
[13:30:55] <_methods> yeah i'd just use whatever you wanted to then
[13:31:19] <Simonious> do you happen to know if one gecko faulting can be used to trigger a fault on another gecko?
[13:31:28] <Simonious> I think that's doable, but not sure of the how just yet
[13:31:40] <_methods> hmm i've never tried that before so i'm not sure
[13:31:47] <Simonious> I'd love for both sides of the gantry to stop when one side faults...
[13:31:53] <_methods> i would think you could do that in hal if the driver has a fault output
[13:32:14] <Simonious> I'm going to show my ignrance again.. what is hal?
[13:32:30] <_methods> the linuxcnc hardware abstraction layer
[13:32:42] <_methods> it's where you set up your inputs and outputs
[13:32:47] <Simonious> ah ha
[13:32:52] <zeeshan> he's the ai robot from the movie
[13:32:57] <_methods> that too
[13:32:59] <Simonious> :D
[13:33:06] * Tom_itx pokes zeeshan with a broken drillbit
[13:33:14] <zeeshan> :)
[13:33:30] <_methods> why is thier torch height control so expensive
[13:33:43] <Simonious> Well if I want to include the endstops I don't think I have enough lines for fault feedback to LinuxCNC unless I put another parallel port on there
[13:34:05] <Simonious> I was hoping to have the drivers fault each other directly
[13:34:09] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gM3wJ6Y.jpg
[13:36:44] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/vcck0fk.jpg needs more ice...
[13:38:41] <MattyMatt> hot water in a plant sprayer
[13:40:19] <PetefromTn_> I think I will just wait for spring...
[13:40:31] <MattyMatt> I was in holland when it rained at night, froze in the day. 2 days running. the entire country and all its bicycles were glazed like shrimp
[13:41:11] <PetefromTn_> shrimp? You mean Donuts right? hehe
[13:41:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/14.jpg
[13:41:26] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16242957797/
[13:41:34] <zeeshan> my beater car still looks like that
[13:41:34] <zeeshan> :P
[13:41:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/12.jpg
[13:41:52] <PetefromTn_> poor RX7 hehe
[13:41:52] <Tom_itx> not snow
[13:41:58] <zeeshan> that aint the rx! :P
[13:42:12] <dirty_d> im so sick of this white bullshit
[13:42:13] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought you said beater car...;)
[13:42:21] <zeeshan> that would be my crown jewel
[13:42:42] <zeeshan> dirty_d: racism isn't tolerated
[13:43:09] <zeeshan> :F
[13:43:31] <dirty_d> hah
[13:43:42] <ssi> zeeshan loves white bullshit
[13:43:43] <MattyMatt> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=glazed+shrimp&tbm=isch ok, google agrees glazed shrimp implies sugar, not ice
[13:44:08] <MattyMatt> NSFW, if you're a glutton
[13:44:35] <dirty_d> i havent eaten anything today you bastard
[13:44:37] <dirty_d> lol
[13:45:08] <PetefromTn_> I suddenly crave Dunkin' Donuts...
[13:47:01] <Simonious> dang I suck with cambam, need to put the time in - when doing a pocket how does one make it either spiral in from the OUTER edge of the pocket rather the center OR go back and forth doing rows instead of spiraling?
[13:47:41] <_methods> sorry i don't know cambam at all
[13:48:53] <PetefromTn_> I think it is in region-fill style...
[13:49:24] <Simonious> looking for that option..
[13:49:55] <PetefromTn_> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20%28x86%29/CamBam%20plus%200.9.8/help/cam/Pocket.htm
[13:50:16] <PetefromTn_> oops
[13:50:19] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[13:51:43] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cambam.info/doc/plus/cam/Pocket.htm
[13:55:51] <Simonious> Region fill style, thanks found it
[13:56:06] <PetefromTn_> sure
[14:02:53] <PetefromTn_> we are heading down to 2 degrees tonight apparenlty LOVELY!!
[14:03:06] <Simonious> not sure we've gotten that warm this week...
[14:03:11] * Simonious is in northern Minnesota
[14:04:01] <PetefromTn_> why the hell do you live there again? hehe
[14:04:24] <dirty_d> speaking of cambam, how the hell do you actually interact with the geometry you import?
[14:04:29] <Simonious> to be near family..
[14:04:49] <Simonious> dirty_d: I'm a cambam newbie, still learning
[14:05:01] <PetefromTn_> not sure what you mean?
[14:05:18] <PetefromTn_> family is why I moved here too...BIG MISTAKE! LOL
[14:05:41] <PetefromTn_> define interact...
[14:06:11] <dirty_d> PetefromTn_, i mean like it just looks like it draws a 3d model and doesnt actual recognize egdes and faces etc
[14:06:30] <dirty_d> i have a block with holes in it, but i cant select the holes to drill or anything
[14:06:49] <_methods> my family all lives in oregon and washington, so i moved to south carolina
[14:07:01] <Simonious> ^ XD
[14:07:04] <_methods> heheh
[14:07:07] <ssi> I just don't have family
[14:07:27] <PetefromTn_> most of my family is in Florida... and I want to move back there.
[14:08:12] <_methods> it's nice having no familial obligations
[14:08:42] <dirty_d> PetefromTn_, ahhh, edit->surface->edge detect
[14:09:10] <dirty_d> although, yikes...
[14:09:23] <dirty_d> it turns the holes into a set of line segments
[14:09:43] <PetefromTn_> I have not done a lot of 3d work with CamBam but I believe that is how it works. It is NOT Mastercam man..LOL
[14:10:16] <PetefromTn_> I usually make a lot of stuff in it with .dxf 2d drawings of 3d parts unless I actually need a 3d toolpath somewhere..
[14:10:53] <dirty_d> hmm
[14:11:36] <PetefromTn_> for the price and what it CAN do it is hard to find anything terribly better at least from what I have seen. Fusion360 looked promising but even that has gone up in price almost immediately..
[14:15:26] <dirty_d> yea i know, free cam software is seriously lacking
[14:18:10] <PetefromTn_> if you intend to use it make sure you go to their forum and download all of the available patches of which there are quite a few that add a lot of neat stuff to the program.
[14:20:37] <dirty_d> i guess id have to buy it first, lol
[14:22:38] <PetefromTn_> don't know I don't think so....
[14:23:12] <PetefromTn_> you get so many free tries of the program and it you can keep it open on your PC you can probably use it for a very long time heh
[14:23:59] <dirty_d> especially since im using mono on linux, lol
[14:24:07] <dirty_d> im gonna try pycam
[14:24:22] <PetefromTn_> good luck
[14:30:08] <dirty_d> wow, yea this is bad.
[14:30:19] <dirty_d> pretty sure it only supports 3d milling
[15:19:53] <_methods> hey what's the best soldering iron for someone starting out like $50 range?
[15:20:19] <_methods> or is there even one in that range worth getting?
[15:20:28] <jdh> cheap 25w
[15:20:50] <jdh> or chinese temp controlled
[15:21:03] <jdh> check mpjaa.com
[15:21:28] <_methods> nothing at mpjaa.com
[15:21:37] <_methods> bad link
[15:22:43] <PetefromTn_> anyone got an online news link that is like TV real time video?
[15:23:04] <_methods> do you have cable?
[15:23:15] <PetefromTn_> no
[15:23:19] <_methods> dish?
[15:23:24] <PetefromTn_> nope
[15:23:33] <PetefromTn_> we have cable high speed iternet
[15:24:00] <_methods> so you do have cable
[15:24:07] <_methods> oh but not tv lol
[15:24:10] <PetefromTn_> no cable tv
[15:24:40] <_methods> well.......... i'd personally just pull the block off my line lol
[15:24:48] <_methods> and watch tv as normal
[15:25:13] <dirty_d> _methods, i have this and its nice http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-2in1-SMD-Soldering-Rework-Station-Hot-Air-Iron-852D-5Tips-ESD-PLCC-BGA-/181139781537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2cc5b7a1
[15:25:13] <PetefromTn_> there is no TV just cable internet
[15:25:50] <_methods> yeah there is no tv because they put a filter on your line
[15:25:50] <dirty_d> the hot air gun is good for heat shrink tubing too
[15:26:24] <PetefromTn_> no we now have that digital TV and there is none unless you buy it...not even at the pole LOL
[15:26:46] <_methods> i think they are mandated to have the basic cable channels in the clear
[15:26:54] <_methods> so you would be able to get maybe like 15 channels
[15:27:03] <_methods> if they went full encrypted
[15:27:23] <_methods> i think on ours now you can get like 35 channels qam
[15:27:25] <_methods> in the clear
[15:27:41] <_methods> everything else is encrypted
[15:28:06] <PetefromTn_> no idea but was really looking for an online source
[15:28:18] <_methods> well they killed aero
[15:28:19] <Rab> _methods, the best semi-pro soldering station you can get is the Hakko FX-888. It costs more around $80 though.
[15:28:31] <_methods> yeah i was thinking that
[15:28:44] <_methods> i've never used the hakko station though
[15:28:51] <_methods> i've got a jbc
[15:29:04] <_methods> but someone i know was askin what they should get in that low end range
[15:29:31] <_methods> personally i'd just drop the $200 on a real metcal used or something
[15:29:34] <Rab> Weller unfortunately have fallen off in quality in recent years. I use Weller at work and at home, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[15:29:38] <_methods> lol weller
[15:29:51] <_methods> i wouln't heat up a grilled cheese sandwich with a weller
[15:30:04] <jdh> heh. price didnt drop with quality
[15:30:20] <PetefromTn_> I got a Radio Shack one LOL
[15:30:23] <Rab> Shrug, when they work they work great. But you can say the same about AOYUE and clones.
[15:30:59] <_methods> you can find a metcal mx-500 for like $200
[15:31:16] <Rab> AOYUE/etc are definitely the best price/performance option for hot air, but they're basic china quality.
[15:32:22] <Rab> I know friends with Metcals and they like them...I had to throw in the "semi-pro" qualifier, which basically means Weller/Hakko to me.
[15:32:32] <_methods> i try to tell the guy he's better off spending $200 or so than wasting it on a $50-100 set up
[15:32:47] <_methods> yeah i hear good stuff about the fx888
[15:32:51] <_methods> i've just never used one
[15:33:08] <_methods> i might get one just to try out
[15:33:24] <Rab> Depends, if he's not doing production or serious hacking then the extra $100 can buy a number of other needed tools.
[15:33:47] <_methods> yeah
[15:33:50] <_methods> i agree
[15:34:25] <Rab> And that $200 figure...is that just the base? Pencil? Tips? Could add up fast beyond newbie pocket change.
[15:35:09] <_methods> you can find a base and handle with tip for ~$200 on ebay pretty much all the time
[15:35:53] <Rab> Our last local electronics place liquidated all their stuff at or below cost...my friend had a Metcal tip orgy, I went for Kester solder. ^_^
[15:37:00] <_methods> yeah i'm not seeing too much on ebay right now though
[15:37:09] <_methods> but usually there are tons of the mx500's on there
[15:44:58] <Psyfull> OK. I have to disconnect. Any chance someone has andypugh email ? Or if you can tell him to ping me at yann@velocar.cc ? Thanks again.
[15:55:36] * adb link that velocar.cc
[15:58:18] <Psyfull> * adb link that velocar.cc > no emails adress allowed ?
[15:59:12] <adb> maybe , just first reading for now
[15:59:51] <Psyfull> Can you still transmit the message to andypugh ?
[16:00:28] <Psyfull> or if you now a way to contact him.
[16:01:27] <Psyfull> *know
[16:01:54] <adb> if i :ll seen him i:ll tel
[16:04:04] <adb> yah see
[16:04:09] <anarchos2> man I think i need new limit/home switches
[16:04:17] <Psyfull> Thanks. If my email adress was blocked > yann (arobase) velocar (dot) cc
[16:04:22] <anarchos2> my debounce is set to 200 and I still get random limit switch errors :/
[16:04:29] <Psyfull> Have a nice day/evening !
[16:04:59] <adb> andypugh, Psyfull> OK. I have to disconnect. Any chance someone has andypugh email ? Or if you can tell him to ping me at yann@velocar.cc ? Thanks again.
[16:05:56] <andypugh> Ye still there?
[16:06:11] <adb> Psyfull, done , andypugh just comings
[16:06:17] <andypugh> I have been playing around with a slicer for a DLP.
[16:06:43] <andypugh> This is fun: download this file then open it in a web browser http://filebin.ca/1sEXd87j1MJJ
[16:07:00] <anarchos2> is there a changelog for 2.6.6 yet?
[16:08:12] <andypugh> Then change the URL with a numer at the end, something like file:///Users/andypugh/Downloads/newfile_script.svg?2.12
[16:08:40] <andypugh> And the SVG only displays the Z-slize corresponding to the number :-)
[16:11:39] <Psyfull> Hi anypugh, sorry wrong timing on my side, someone already waiting for me. We can meet tomorrow here 3 or 4 pm est or can you communicate through mail ?
[16:12:35] <MacGalempsy> hello
[16:13:03] <andypugh> bodgesoc@gmail.com
[16:14:02] <MacGalempsy> Guys last night linuxcnc was working well, then I shut it all down unplugged the machine, then when I started it up the program terminates with errors. can someone help me figure out the issue?
[16:14:25] <Psyfull> Great. I'll shoot you a mail before end of week. Have a nice day :)
[16:14:44] <adb> Psyfull, a+
[16:16:45] <PetefromTn_> I am sure if you post a pastebin of the error someone here might be able to help you...
[16:20:22] <Tom_itx> _methods reading the scrollback, i've got a weller WTCPT
[16:20:47] <Tom_itx> with several tips
[16:22:49] <Tom_itx> but it's older and has worked well for years
[16:23:03] <MacGalempsy> Weller really is the only way to go
[16:23:28] <Tom_itx> they were just bashing it after he asked above
[16:23:34] <Tom_itx> i like mine just fine
[16:23:34] <Deejay> gn8
[16:23:56] <MacGalempsy> later Deejay
[16:24:06] <Tom_itx> i've had a few cheap ones that maybe lasted a day or two
[16:24:08] <Deejay> see ya :)
[16:24:44] <Tom_itx> the only reason i've replaced tips on mine is i happened to lose one
[16:25:27] <MacGalempsy> I picked up a EC4001 ESD at a steal a few years back. need to get a bigger tip
[16:26:06] <_methods> yeah weller was ok back in the day
[16:27:07] <Rab> Tom_itx, I've had several failures with the WES11 and WESD11 stations. The ferromagnetic regulation in the WTCPT is pretty bulletproof, but that station costs quite a bit more than the stated $50 budget.
[16:27:10] <LeelooMinai> You don't have to spend more than $100 to have decent rework station nowadays (that is solder iron + air)
[16:27:27] <_methods> i have one of those ghetto chinese rework soldering stations
[16:27:29] <_methods> it works
[16:27:32] <Tom_itx> Rab you pretty much get what you pay for
[16:27:45] <_methods> i have a jbc ad2700 and it blows everything i've ever used away
[16:27:57] <Tom_itx> but i don't need a $1500 soldering station either
[16:27:59] <Rab> Oops...WES51/WESD51.
[16:28:00] <LeelooMinai> Is that one of those inductive irons?
[16:28:09] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai mine is
[16:28:12] <_methods> yeah as soon as i pick it up i can solder
[16:28:12] <MacGalempsy> my longest surviving soldering iron is the radioshack pencil from 15 years ago
[16:28:27] <LeelooMinai> Those are nice, but there are not cheap ones afaik
[16:28:28] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy i burned 2 of those up in one day
[16:28:42] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: you must have got the bad batch
[16:28:45] <MacGalempsy> lol
[16:29:22] <PetefromTn_> my little Radio Shack POS station has worked perfectly fine each time I used it heh I think it was like $25.00
[16:29:44] <LeelooMinai> I have this one for 3 years or so and it's great value: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SMD-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-GQ-5200-Welding-Soldering-Iron-/310368958756?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item48436e7924
[16:30:21] <_methods> yeah i have the digital version of that
[16:30:39] <_methods> broke the heating element in the pencil changing tips
[16:30:58] <LeelooMinai> If you are into SMD, you need to desolder something sometimes, need something to heatshrink, the air is super-useful
[16:31:17] <LeelooMinai> _methods: The replacement soldering irons are like $8:)
[16:31:25] <_methods> if you have one
[16:31:30] <_methods> they seem to break when you need one
[16:31:34] <_methods> and don't have another one
[16:31:35] <_methods> lol
[16:31:41] <LeelooMinai> That's why I bought one just in case
[16:31:50] <_methods> i have 4 now just in case
[16:31:55] <LeelooMinai> ...
[16:32:06] <_methods> that heating element is made out of powdered sand or something
[16:32:10] <LeelooMinai> I have not broken mine in 3 years - not sure what you are doing there:)
[16:32:13] <_methods> sandstone lol
[16:32:22] <_methods> obviously more than you
[16:32:23] <PetefromTn_> we learned it when I was in the Coast Guard with a nice station wish I could remember what it was called..
[16:32:29] <LeelooMinai> Maybe you have hands like Shrek? :)
[16:32:35] <_methods> probably
[16:32:45] <_methods> if you're not breakin shit you're not making shit
[16:33:09] <PetefromTn_> I'm not makin' shit...
[16:33:10] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Here's me not making anything then:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/
[16:33:31] <LeelooMinai> Every board there is designed and assembled by me for hobby
[16:34:51] <LeelooMinai> But maybe I need to break my iron to be more, I don't know, credible? :)
[16:34:58] <_methods> yes
[16:35:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:35:34] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: now it seems to be working again...
[16:35:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah man.. You don't know shit about breakin' irons yet hehe
[16:35:47] <PetefromTn_> what is?
[16:35:49] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if one of the updates screwed it up
[16:36:10] <LeelooMinai> But anyways - those expensive inductive irons are nice, but $100 will get you by too. The only fail would be buying something for $10 without temperature controll imho
[16:36:21] <MacGalempsy> the issue I was having is gone now that linuxcnc was reinstalled and the configs were loaded fresh
[16:36:28] <PetefromTn_> I FAIL!
[16:36:41] <PetefromTn_> great man!
[16:36:53] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You have one of those "fire sticks"? :)
[16:37:33] <PetefromTn_> HELL YEAH!!
[16:37:52] <PetefromTn_> It'll burn the piss out of you ask me how I know...
[16:38:31] <LeelooMinai> My father used to have such a thing, but that was 30 years ago
[16:38:31] <_methods> especially your carpet
[16:38:49] <_methods> go to grab beer
[16:38:54] <LeelooMinai> The "tip" was a chunk of copper too:)
[16:38:57] <_methods> pencil goes flaming to carpet
[16:41:24] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a station like you have and perhaps a nice O scope too but I have other things I need more at the moment.
[16:42:15] <_methods> yeah one day i'll get a scope but good magnifying glass is my next purchase
[16:42:18] * PetefromTn_ wonders if I should start chipping the ice from my Truck so I can go to the store...
[16:42:31] <LeelooMinai> You can always buy $300 or so rigol ds1052E or $400 one Z series one - they are great entry scopes and good value
[16:42:36] <_methods> when i do my first servo build i'll get a scope
[16:42:43] <_methods> but until then i really don't need one
[16:42:48] <PetefromTn_> I have one of those lighted table magnifying glasses....
[16:42:50] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ naw... wait for spring
[16:43:05] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx But the kids need milk and bread no?
[16:43:16] <_methods> steal from neighbors lol
[16:43:22] <Tom_itx> ever hear of delivery?
[16:43:25] <Tom_itx> :)
[16:43:25] <PetefromTn_> OOh thats a good idea
[16:44:03] <PetefromTn_> I will kick down their door and demand milk and bread and say that Methods told me to do it ;)
[16:45:27] <_methods> hehe
[16:45:37] <_methods> grab me a sandvich too
[16:46:02] <PetefromTn_> I could stub my toe on the door tho probably easier just to defrost the Bronco....Sigh
[16:46:48] <_methods> it's even like 29 deg here too
[16:46:55] <_methods> i need to move to mexico
[16:47:10] <PetefromTn_> no man FLORIDA.... Mexico is crazy...
[16:47:47] <_methods> florida is crazy
[16:47:52] <_methods> whacky stop lights
[16:47:57] <PetefromTn_> heh probably
[16:48:06] <Tom_itx> you might fit right in
[16:48:10] <PetefromTn_> but I grew up there which might explain a lot...
[16:49:05] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys use for solder sucking? I ask knowing the answers that might come heh
[16:49:27] <Tom_itx> i have a solder sucker but i use solderwick
[16:50:04] <PetefromTn_> Ok
[16:50:10] <_methods> i have solderpult, solderwick and a hakko 808
[16:50:17] <_methods> the 808 is the shit
[16:50:34] <_methods> i only bust it out when i have a lot to desolder though
[16:50:55] <PetefromTn_> You guys got all the toys
[16:51:06] <_methods> the 808 is worth it's weight in gold
[16:51:14] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: If you design in SMD, you don't really need "solder sucker" :)
[16:51:46] <PetefromTn_> what if you screw it up?
[16:51:57] <LeelooMinai> If you for some reason need to desolder a lot of th parts, there are special desoldering "guns"
[16:51:57] <_methods> with smd you can just use wick
[16:52:14] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: You usually desolder parts with air if their are smd
[16:52:38] <LeelooMinai> That's why combined soldering iron + air like I have is often called "smd rework station"
[16:53:08] <PetefromTn_> so those boards only have holes for mounting right..
[16:53:35] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: And connectors here and there - but in general you deal with pads not holes
[16:53:41] <PetefromTn_> I should send you my damn main board for my Forced air heater that took a dump on me!
[16:54:39] <LeelooMinai> But good soldering wick is a good thing to have - it comes handy when you have to remove solder from some places
[16:54:48] <PetefromTn_> but you would probably critique my reflow job on the bigger pins and bash me on here in front of God and the world!!
[16:55:01] <LeelooMinai> Because air will melt it, but sometimes you also need to get rid of it:)
[16:55:16] <_methods> like farting?
[16:55:54] <PetefromTn_> I never fart
[16:55:58] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Are you 10 btw? :)
[16:56:34] <_methods> 11
[16:56:36] <PetefromTn_> why are you looking for a date? hehe
[16:56:48] <unfy> 10, linux, and cnc. sounds like someone's on the fast track to awesome ? :D
[16:57:09] <unfy> not to mention them keen magnifying lenses
[16:57:48] <_methods> hahah
[16:57:50] <PetefromTn_> Hell he passed by awesome and is straight on the road to FREAKIN' AMAZING!!
[16:57:53] <_methods> i should have bought themn
[16:58:01] <_methods> i need them before halloween
[16:58:32] <_methods> those things were freaking awesome
[16:58:36] <_methods> need to add some leds to them
[16:59:04] <unfy> see, some green or red instead of the whites they came with would be the way to go
[16:59:38] <unfy> and put a res in line with it so that they're dim
[16:59:52] <_methods> definitely red
[17:00:04] <_methods> like the crazy cult guys on city of lost children
[17:00:25] <Aero-Tec3> can a variable contain text?
[17:01:06] <Aero-Tec3> like #<var1>= betty
[17:01:27] <Aero-Tec3> or "betty"
[17:01:54] <Aero-Tec3> want to make things more readable
[17:04:08] <_methods> i dont think so
[17:04:11] <_methods> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:parameters
[17:04:39] <_methods> The only value type supported by parameters is floating-point; there are no string, boolean or integer types in G-code like in other programming languages.
[17:05:57] <Cromaglious> I wouldn't call G Code a programming language, it's more of a parameter script
[17:06:15] <_methods> that's straight from the linuxcnc wiki
[17:06:28] <_methods> i'm not smart enough to make a sentence that articulate
[17:06:43] <Cromaglious> well they're ID 10 T's
[17:07:36] <PetefromTn_> Funny I thought I have been PROGRAMMING my machine with G code for a long time now hehe
[17:08:53] <_methods> i think g code is a "language" that is translated to TCL (tool cutter language)by the controller/linuxcnc
[17:09:02] <_methods> but once again i'm just makin things up so
[17:09:13] <Aero-Tec3> good things can be done with gcode programming
[17:09:25] <Cromaglious> You need a program written in a programming language to interpret a G Code script
[17:09:33] <Aero-Tec3> change a few things and a whole new part comes out
[17:09:53] <Aero-Tec3> I could do that as well
[17:10:10] <Aero-Tec3> but this is quicker
[17:10:25] <Cromaglious> hmm 2:49pm time to check mail
[17:10:29] <Aero-Tec3> less work
[17:11:40] <Aero-Tec3> thanks for the info
[17:18:01] <Cromaglious> woo hoo, 3/32" carbide endmills and 1/2" cool block for the band saw
[17:19:15] <PetefromTn_> Well chippin' ice here... Gotta get some milk and bread. BBL
[17:19:30] <Tom_itx> just toss hot water on it
[17:19:46] <PetefromTn_> I did... there is a LOT of ice
[17:20:12] <Tom_itx> you'll bust your windshield doing that
[17:21:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know...
[17:21:25] <PetefromTn_> I put it on the grille and hood
[17:21:39] <PetefromTn_> BBL guys...
[17:22:38] <Cromaglious> I'd spray pam on the windshield before I went to bed
[17:23:31] <_methods> maybe park in the garage...............
[17:23:37] <_methods> oh nm it's full of linuxcnc lol
[17:23:51] <Cromaglious> also used olive oil a couple of times...
[17:23:58] <Cromaglious> You can IF you have a garage
[17:24:10] <Cromaglious> or have room in the garage
[17:25:35] <Cromaglious> yep, I'm gonna have to get a 2nd parallel port board startech has a nice 2port one.. that'll give me three port
[17:31:28] <Aero-Tec3> got a 2 car garage, no room for cars, all work shop, the way god meant it to be, the car thing is all about units of measure, nothing to do with actually putting cars in it
[17:31:58] <Aero-Tec3> who would every do such a crazy thing as part cars in a garage?
[17:32:17] <Aero-Tec3> it is unnatural
[17:32:49] <_methods> i had to park my car in garage one time when i was hiding from the police
[17:32:57] <_methods> that was the last time my car went in the garage lol
[17:33:03] <Aero-Tec3> lol
[17:34:26] <Cromaglious> mine is all storage except when the door is up I can use my lathe
[17:34:40] <Cromaglious> My table saw is buried behind the lathe
[17:37:25] <Cromaglious> hmmm looking at the 0.78"x4" ER16 straight shank collet holder.. with a bit of work that could be turned into a spindle shaft
[17:38:16] <Cromaglious> bearing at the bottom, bearing at the top, stop collar/pulley at the top, presto spindle shaft
[17:38:53] <Cromaglious> little wavy washer between the pulley and the top bearing for preload
[17:50:09] <JT-Shop> there is always room for my wifes car in the garage... not much else will fit
[17:51:50] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop do you know if i need to hook the spindle encoder index signal up to anything special to use it for sync'd motion moves?
[17:52:01] <zeeshan> you do
[17:52:18] <Tom_itx> to what?
[17:52:26] <zeeshan> to a pin :-)
[17:52:26] <Tom_itx> hopefully i'll have reverse tonight
[17:52:30] <Tom_itx> well duh
[17:52:55] <JT-Shop> yea, Tom_itx motion spindle index or something like that
[17:53:05] <zeeshan> oh that
[17:53:08] <Tom_itx> it's already on a pin using hm2 encoder function
[17:53:16] <JT-Shop> in the Integrators manual look at the spindle examples
[17:53:21] <Tom_itx> i'll check on it..
[17:53:24] <zeeshan> too much work
[17:53:27] <zeeshan> just copy and paste this
[17:53:27] <zeeshan> lol
[17:53:31] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html
[17:53:51] <Tom_itx> i think i've looked at that
[17:53:51] <zeeshan> is it a quadrature encoder?
[17:53:59] * JT-Shop spent all day in a poop pumping plant trying to sort out analog signals gone bad
[17:54:02] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:54:06] <zeeshan> and youre feeding it to mesa ?
[17:54:09] <zeeshan> encoder ?
[17:54:10] <zeeshan> or gpio
[17:54:10] <Tom_itx> yep
[17:54:20] <Tom_itx> mesa or bust
[17:54:24] <zeeshan> well it depends
[17:54:26] <zeeshan> if its on gpio
[17:54:27] <zeeshan> or encoder
[17:54:38] <zeeshan> if you use encoder input at mesa
[17:54:48] <zeeshan> then you can use the fancy fast clock speed counting stuff :P
[17:54:51] <zeeshan> hardware counting
[17:55:26] <Tom_itx> i don't have PID on it but i do have pwm working
[17:55:39] <Tom_itx> and finishing wiring fwd/rev tonight probably
[17:55:48] <Tom_itx> all tested and the signals do what i want
[17:56:03] <Tom_itx> delay so there's no load on the relays during switching
[17:56:28] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you see the timing chart?
[17:57:18] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic2.jpg
[17:57:25] <Tom_itx> everything switches after inhibit
[17:57:41] <Tom_itx> the logic switch and actual relay contacts are shown there
[17:57:57] <zeeshan> fancy
[17:57:58] <zeeshan> :D
[17:58:07] <Tom_itx> takes the guesswork out
[17:58:37] <Tom_itx> i could half the inhibit signal and still be ok...
[18:04:43] <zeeshan> Tom_itx:
[18:04:49] <zeeshan> is that output from a usb scope ?
[18:05:46] <Tom_itx> that's my saleae logic analizer
[18:06:07] <zeeshan> how does it work?
[18:06:14] <zeeshan> analizer ?
[18:06:14] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:06:23] <Tom_itx> ya ya
[18:06:54] <Tom_itx> https://www.saleae.com/
[18:07:00] <Tom_itx> they've got analog now too i think
[18:07:07] <Tom_itx> which is pretty cool
[18:07:18] <Tom_itx> with 10v logic signals now instead of just 5
[18:07:36] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: yah, their products are ridiculously good, for the price
[18:09:25] <zeeshan> so this is a DAQ ?
[18:12:30] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:12:37] <zeeshan> this looks nice
[18:12:40] <zeeshan> looks good for load cell input
[18:13:02] <zeeshan> is it compatible only with their software?
[18:13:06] <Tom_itx> they just came out with the analog stuff
[18:13:08] <zeeshan> or can i use it with matlab and labview?
[18:13:12] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[18:13:20] <zeeshan> im looking at the logic 8
[18:13:22] <Tom_itx> they have an api
[18:13:23] <zeeshan> looks very much like what i need
[18:13:35] <Tom_itx> i got the logic which is the older logic8
[18:13:48] <Tom_itx> first project paid for it :)
[18:14:04] <_methods> i bought a chinese knock off one for $6
[18:14:05] <_methods> lol
[18:14:18] <Tom_itx> i'd get the pro 8 if i were doing it over
[18:14:29] <zeeshan> it should keep up with the strain rate
[18:15:48] <Tom_itx> milled aluminum enclosure, not some cheap plastic crap
[18:16:11] <zeeshan> yea fuck the chinese bs
[18:16:20] <zeeshan> i try to buy north american stuff if i can
[18:16:23] <zeeshan> especially since it's not my own money :-)
[18:16:37] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im a bit confused
[18:16:44] <zeeshan> do you tap off a signal?
[18:16:47] <zeeshan> but splicing into the wire?
[18:16:59] <Tom_itx> just like you would use a volt meter
[18:17:03] <Tom_itx> gnd and signal
[18:17:03] <zeeshan> ah!
[18:17:06] <evil_ren> heh, needle probe
[18:17:21] <Tom_itx> they have microclips
[18:17:21] <zeeshan> this is a very useful tool
[18:17:28] <zeeshan> thank you for this!
[18:17:37] <Tom_itx> you can testdrive their software
[18:17:37] <zeeshan> the question is
[18:17:46] <zeeshan> is noise a big issue :P
[18:18:33] <tjb1> JT-Shop: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcrocholl/15965222710/in/photostream/
[18:19:44] <evil_ren> zeeshan: noise in typical systems is well under 100mV, which shouldnt affect a logic analyzer or most any digital systems
[18:20:09] <evil_ren> if noise is the actual issue youre trying to deal with, you want a scope
[18:20:14] <zeeshan> well i have analog outputs
[18:20:16] <zeeshan> from a load cell
[18:20:20] <zeeshan> 3mV/V
[18:20:23] <zeeshan> sometimes 5mV/V
[18:20:36] <zeeshan> i want to log the data from the load cell
[18:20:39] <zeeshan> and make use of it.
[18:21:00] <evil_ren> by data do you mean analog data
[18:21:03] <zeeshan> yes
[18:21:40] <evil_ren> logic analyzer doesnt really do that
[18:22:03] <zeeshan> well it says
[18:22:08] <zeeshan> "analog sample rates 10MS/s"
[18:22:10] <evil_ren> some have a time domain scope display function, but its usually not their focus
[18:22:15] <zeeshan> 8 analog input
[18:22:49] <evil_ren> yeah then it should do it, i would try the software to make sure the time domain functionality does what you need
[18:23:13] <zeeshan> it looks like they release their api / sdk
[18:23:19] <zeeshan> so you can customize it
[18:23:36] <zeeshan> Saleae provides an SDK for the development of custom protocol analyzer plugins, an SDK for directly accessing data from Logic and Logic16 without the use of our GUI software, and a scripting interface for the Logic software specifically designed to allow third party automation.
[18:23:36] <evil_ren> right but do you want to use a tool or develop and debug a tool
[18:23:49] <zeeshan> well i just need something that can aquire the data reliably
[18:23:57] <zeeshan> and pass it into another software that already is setup for analysis
[18:24:26] <zeeshan> if i have a bunch of voltage data
[18:24:34] <evil_ren> so i would see if the software can export the analog data in a format you can use
[18:24:49] <zeeshan> i should be able to convert it to strain
[18:24:50] <evil_ren> prob does, usually they at least do csv
[18:30:33] <_methods> sigrok
[18:32:29] <evil_ren> _methods: this is open software for all the aquisition things?
[18:34:17] <_methods> yeah
[18:34:30] <_methods> open source and works with just about any hardware
[18:34:56] <_methods> http://sigrok.org/
[18:35:18] <_methods> http://sigrok.org/wiki/Category:Device
[18:35:25] <_methods> compatible hardware list
[18:35:46] <evil_ren> i been looking at the supported hw page for like 5 minutes im still not at the bottom, fuuuu
[18:36:44] <evil_ren> http://sigrok.org/wiki/National_Instruments_GPIB-ENET
[18:37:07] <evil_ren> i would trip if i could do pc aquisition with my 80s tek vector graphics dso
[18:37:34] <evil_ren> still my fav scope =\
[18:38:21] <unfy> having worked with some cro's and dso's.... i dunno. i think i prefer dso's.
[18:38:31] <unfy> haven't tried a pc based dso though.
[18:38:32] <_methods> my uncle worked at tektronix for like 30 years
[18:38:44] <_methods> i should have gotten free scopes from him lol
[18:42:43] <MacGalempsy> when going through the PVCP tutorial, does linuxcnc need to be running in the background?
[18:55:27] <PetefromTn_> Wow man my truck is a complete and total Ice Berg....
[18:56:45] <_methods> florida calling
[18:57:06] <PetefromTn_> Florida SCREAMING!!
[18:57:36] <PetefromTn_> I even got some spray that is supposed to melt the ice from the windows and whatnot and I cannot even scrape that shit off...
[18:57:39] <_methods> good buddy of mine lives in port richey i need to get down there and visit one of these days
[18:57:57] <PetefromTn_> my whole hood and front fenders are encased in ice..
[18:58:10] <PetefromTn_> I managed to chip away around my windshiled wipers
[18:58:23] <PetefromTn_> but when I turned them on they got stuck in the straight up position...
[19:00:17] <PetefromTn_> I could not even roll down the back window to load the damn groceries LOL
[19:00:55] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: once you get it cleaned off, after you are done for the day put a piece of cardboard over the windshield
[19:01:18] <PetefromTn_> what does that do?
[19:01:47] <PetefromTn_> honestly I doubt I will get it off really I have never seen ice so hard stuck on something...
[19:02:52] <PetefromTn_> We are supposed to get down to 3 degrees tonight and tomorrow is more snow and ice so really unless I plan to roll it in the shop and use my heat gun to melt the whole damn truck I think I am gonna have to live with it for the time being LOL...
[19:03:06] <_methods> haha hair dryer
[19:03:40] <MacGalempsy> that allows you to pull off an icy piece of cardboard instead of scraping ice
[19:04:12] <PetefromTn_> my luck it will stick the cardboard to the windshield and become permanently fused heh
[19:05:03] <MacGalempsy> haha. you could tarp the truck
[19:05:38] <PetefromTn_> well this is what you give up I guess to have a shop full of machines.... I can deal!
[19:06:10] <_methods> if that's the price, then let it be so
[19:06:12] <_methods> lol
[19:06:55] <PetefromTn_> well unless I can figure out how to put a 7k lb machining center on roller skates and move it in and out it is haha
[19:10:00] <_methods> hah
[19:10:20] <_methods> you got a cnc mill make you some giant roller skates lol
[19:10:52] <PetefromTn_> when we moved it in we used some and it scared the crap out of me several times actually...
[19:12:24] <MacGalempsy> I would like to see the roller skate lift
[19:15:09] <_methods> moving machines is the most stressful thing in the world i think
[19:15:52] <_methods> riggers always amaze me
[19:15:58] <MacGalempsy> my VMC is about 800lbs, so relatively light, but still had to get a $800 lift to move it from the old house to the new
[19:16:03] <_methods> they must all take like bottles of xanax every day
[19:16:36] <MacGalempsy> isnt xanax an antidepresant sedative?
[19:17:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I moved this machine myself and my wife and I had eyeballs like pie plates a couple times when it did not quite do what we expected LOL..
[19:18:28] <MacGalempsy> lol
[19:18:48] <MacGalempsy> adrenaline rushes from near death experiences make great sex
[19:19:50] <_methods> then comes the expensive part everyone forgets about
[19:19:57] <_methods> wiring it all up and running air to it all
[19:20:20] <_methods> no one ever factors in all that dumb stuff
[19:20:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah after moving this beast that was the last thing on our minds LOL.. I swear at one point I when we were jacking it back down onto cribbage blocks to get it off the skates and onto its pod pads it did a little short pirouette on us and I was between it and the wall I thought I was fucked there for a minute. Luckily it only had to go down 3/4 inch or so..
[19:21:43] <_methods> yea moving machines is always a good sphincter work out
[19:22:26] <PetefromTn_> yup absolutely.
[19:23:00] <PetefromTn_> I thought moving that 16x80 lathe I used to have was a pucker factor but this was another story altogether...
[19:23:13] <_methods> yeah man
[19:23:21] <PetefromTn_> If we do indeed ever sell our house I will be anteing up for the riggers to take care of that shit...
[19:23:33] <_methods> yeah man they are worth it for sure
[19:23:39] <PetefromTn_> I am getting too old for that shit LOL...
[19:23:48] <_methods> i wish i took pictures on a few of the moves i've done
[19:23:58] <_methods> but i'm usually so jacked up i forget to take pics
[19:24:54] <_methods> we got a 2nd mits lvp2015 4kw laser and they had that whole thing like 10' in the air
[19:25:17] <_methods> i was freakin the F out and the wriggers are just like eatin chips and shit
[19:25:39] <_methods> 5'x10' bed laser all in the air
[19:25:49] <_methods> $1,000,000
[19:31:30] <MacGalempsy> wow scarey
[19:35:56] <_methods> that's why i like my little x2 minimill
[19:36:03] <_methods> i can pick that thing up and carry it wherever lol
[19:36:36] <_methods> every time i get jealous about the machines you guys have in here i go move mine from one side of the garage to the other lol
[19:37:58] <ssi> hah
[19:38:08] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: hey fear keeps you young, and colon clean! lol
[19:38:15] <_methods> hahah
[19:38:38] <ssi> PetefromTn_: my move was pretty uneventful overall
[19:38:48] <ssi> aside from writing checks to the trucker and the forklift rental guy :)
[19:39:31] <XXCoder1> salso, _methods in least ya got somethinmg to move lol
[19:39:46] * XXCoder1 really needs frame for his cnc router
[19:40:05] <_methods> hehe
[19:40:22] * _methods is happy he has something.....even if it is little and pathetic
[19:41:00] <ssi> _methods: you still have more cnc mill than I do :)
[19:41:15] <_methods> whatever you got airplanes
[19:41:17] <_methods> lol
[19:41:18] <XXCoder1> use plasma cnc to make onme lol
[19:41:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is the writing checks part that would suck but Oh well...
[19:41:43] <_methods> it's so worth it for riggers
[19:41:45] <ssi> PetefromTn_: well to put it in perspective
[19:41:46] <_methods> they do that shit all day
[19:41:59] <ssi> I paid $850 freight for the cinci from louisville to south atlanta
[19:42:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[19:42:07] <ssi> plus I paid $600 to rent the 12k forklift
[19:42:14] <ssi> I got a quote fromw a rigger to fetch it and set it up
[19:42:18] <ssi> $4600
[19:42:49] <_methods> well that's a good savings
[19:42:54] <ssi> heck yeah
[19:42:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I paid $75.00 for the rollback wrecker and another $25.00 for a new pair of jeans because I shit my pants several times moving it..
[19:43:02] <_methods> for a vmc i'd probably wrent the forklift
[19:43:07] <ssi> even having it moved freight and then having a rigger show up here to unload it was going to be $1800 minimum for teh eunload
[19:43:22] <_methods> but for anything more complicated than a vmc i say rigger
[19:43:25] <witnit_> wrent hehe
[19:43:54] <_methods> hahah
[19:43:59] <_methods> spell check dat
[19:44:07] <witnit_> write on man, do yo thang
[19:44:07] <ssi> yea the vmc is almost 10klb
[19:44:15] <ssi> that's at the upper end of what I'm willing to deal with on my own
[19:44:17] <_methods> hahahahh
[19:45:05] <_methods> so what was up with the opensource police in here lookin for andy
[19:45:12] <PetefromTn_> Starting to really like this Coke zero Cherry Flavor...
[19:46:22] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[19:46:44] <XXCoder1> _methods: andy == zee?
[19:46:52] <_methods> no andypugh
[19:47:04] <_methods> but zeeshan blasted them with some tormach hate lol
[19:47:31] <zeeshan> i dont hate tormach products
[19:47:35] <zeeshan> just hate their retarded advertising
[19:47:40] <zeeshan> "we made this awesome software all on our own"
[19:47:44] <zeeshan> when 90% of the code is based on emc
[19:47:45] <zeeshan> fuckers
[19:47:53] <PetefromTn_> heh
[19:47:57] <zeeshan> "spent thousands of man hours"
[19:48:05] <zeeshan> what the fuck do you think emc was made in a minute?
[19:48:07] <zeeshan> it took years
[19:48:11] <zeeshan> and it's still improving
[19:48:18] <XXCoder1> thousands of man hours browsing porn
[19:48:22] <XXCoder1> and code porn
[19:48:27] <zeeshan> im gonna download linuxcnc source code
[19:48:28] <zeeshan> and call it
[19:48:32] <zeeshan> MACH 69
[19:48:47] <zeeshan> will you guys buy it
[19:49:04] <jdh> it isn't really for sale is it?
[19:49:05] <witnit_> do we have to pay with money?
[19:49:09] <XXCoder1> nah call it linuxc^HZeeCnc
[19:49:13] <zeeshan> you can send me end mills
[19:49:15] <zeeshan> carbide please!
[19:49:28] <zeeshan> i read through gpl briefly
[19:49:37] <zeeshan> and it looks like theyre breaking the main rule
[19:49:47] <jdh> which is?
[19:49:53] <PetefromTn_> you need to redo linuxCNC like they did and I will send you a bunch of endmills man hehehe
[19:49:53] <witnit_> you should send them a GFY
[19:50:50] <zeeshan> In purely private (or internal) use —with no sales and no distribution— the software code may be modified and parts reused without requiring the source code to be released. For sales or distribution, the entire source code need to be made available to end users, including any code changes and additions— in that case, copyleft is applied to ensure that end users retain the freedoms defined above.[4
[19:50:54] <MacGalempsy> obviously my linuxcnc is at the very basic levels. the current task at hand is to start testing pins, so I did a show pins and got the list. now it is on to testing pins with the pVCP tutorial but running into problems with the very basics
[19:51:07] <zeeshan> copied and pasted
[19:51:31] <jdh> z: they just have to make source available to customers.
[19:51:53] <witnit_> MacGalempsy, its almost always the basics for most of us, just overlooking something small or something you never even knew you needed
[19:51:56] <alex4nder> zeeshan: if you buy tormach, and they ship you 'pathpilot'.. you can ask for source
[19:52:13] <zeeshan> i dont want their shitty conversational program
[19:52:16] <alex4nder> right
[19:52:19] <zeeshan> i just want them to acknowledge the base is emc
[19:52:21] <alex4nder> so if you aren't a customer, it's not a problem
[19:52:21] <PetefromTn_> I do...heh
[19:52:21] <zeeshan> or linuxcnc
[19:52:31] <alex4nder> if you are a customer, you can ask for source, and then publish it
[19:52:34] <alex4nder> they can't stop you
[19:52:49] <MacGalempsy> i dont understand the line halrun -I loadusr pyvcp -c mypandel tiny.xml
[19:53:04] <MacGalempsy> when I typed that into the terminal it came back as an error
[19:53:12] <PetefromTn_> apparently you can buy the program for $7.95 from thier website..
[19:53:21] <witnit_> okay MacGalempsy so what you are doing, is you are telling linuxcnc to make little panel
[19:53:46] <MacGalempsy> right
[19:54:06] <witnit_> can you copy and paste the what you are putting in the command line and what error is being returned?
[19:54:11] <witnit_> sftp://john@192.168.1.21:25000/home/john/shop/quotes/255np.ods
[19:54:14] <witnit_> ooops
[19:54:15] <witnit_> ahhaha
[19:54:21] <witnit_> lemme get a real link
[19:54:43] <witnit_> https://gist.github.com/
[19:54:49] <witnit_> paste to there MacGalempsy
[19:55:34] <zeeshan> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IWantCredit
[19:55:43] <zeeshan> :D
[19:56:48] <MacGalempsy> ok. im going to keep it up
[19:57:26] <_methods> pete just wants a hello kitty axis gui
[19:57:39] <PetefromTn_> shit..
[19:57:46] <PetefromTn_> I want it all baby!!
[19:57:55] <_methods> hehe
[19:59:18] <PetefromTn_> honestly after watching that video I posted from NYCCNC showing the new interface it looks really pretty nice and I would love to have something similar on my machine especially the new lathe. I just don't know shit about that sort of thing or I would do it myself heh
[20:01:39] <_methods> wellll..........i've spent many man hours developing hellokittycnc
[20:01:52] <zeeshan> haha
[20:01:55] <_methods> it has a new kitty trajectory planner
[20:02:00] <PetefromTn_> does it look like that?
[20:02:05] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: time to learn :P
[20:02:08] <_methods> it has more pink
[20:02:10] <PetefromTn_> I could deal with a little kitty on it if it does..
[20:02:25] <PetefromTn_> hell I could care less if it is pink with purple polka dots..
[20:02:39] <zeeshan> i want mine to have nude chix on it
[20:02:48] <XXCoder1> man hour = one second
[20:02:53] <_methods> damn
[20:02:54] <_methods> valve time
[20:02:56] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I have enough to learn with just getting the machine configured and working
[20:03:00] <XXCoder1> so yeah I spent lots man hours chattng witgh you guys ;)
[20:03:16] <_methods> i'll release half life 3 when i release kittycnc
[20:03:33] <_methods> omg
[20:03:39] <_methods> exploding kittehcnc
[20:03:42] <_methods> with the oatmeal
[20:03:44] <ssi> lol
[20:03:44] <XXCoder1> whooo
[20:03:46] <witnit_> do it
[20:03:52] <XXCoder1> gui drawn by theoatmeal!
[20:03:59] <PetefromTn_> You'll freakin' make MILLIONS!!
[20:04:03] <_methods> i'll take my $8mill now thanx
[20:04:34] <PetefromTn_> frackin' amazes me some of the bullshit that gets people's money....
[20:04:57] <_methods> esploding kittehs is impotant
[20:05:17] <XXCoder1> and important too lol
[20:05:46] <PetefromTn_> esplodin' kittays!!
[20:05:55] <ssi> _methods: that reminds me
[20:05:58] <ssi> I wanted to back the kickstarter
[20:06:02] <ssi> I almost missed it
[20:06:18] <XXCoder1> 14 minutes everyone
[20:06:19] <_methods> hahah throw some more money in the oatmeal lottery
[20:06:22] <XXCoder1> hurry
[20:06:32] <PetefromTn_> 14 minutes to what?
[20:06:39] <XXCoder1> end of kitten kickstarter
[20:06:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh thank God...
[20:06:51] <XXCoder1> if you want that special full nfsw
[20:06:53] <ssi> it says right on the front page
[20:07:04] <ssi> "A card game for people who are into kittens and explosions
[20:07:06] <ssi> and laser beams"
[20:07:10] <ssi> that's pretty much me
[20:07:20] <PetefromTn_> on therir frickin' foreheads?
[20:07:22] <ssi> and sometimes goats
[20:08:01] <_methods> ssi burnt down his house playin a leaked beta version
[20:08:05] <ssi> :D
[20:08:09] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[20:08:10] <XXCoder1> lol
[20:08:33] <_methods> they had to go back to the drawing board lol
[20:12:50] <ssi> you know what the amazing part of this is?
[20:13:04] <ssi> kickstarter gets $40k out of it, and amazon payments gets another ~40k
[20:13:16] <XXCoder1> wow
[20:13:25] <XXCoder1> backer count is REALLY ticking up now
[20:13:29] <_methods> i thought they got %5
[20:13:29] <XXCoder1> 7 min
[20:13:48] <XXCoder1> 17 new backers in 10 second
[20:13:54] <ssi> was I off by an order of magnitude?
[20:13:55] <ssi> haha
[20:14:06] <XXCoder1> 30 backers in 20 seconds
[20:14:06] <ssi> yeah I was
[20:14:08] <ssi> ok lemme restate
[20:14:14] <XXCoder1> thats more than one backer a second
[20:14:16] <ssi> kickstarter gets $437k
[20:15:04] <ssi> math is hard
[20:15:09] <_methods> just wait till my esplodingkittaycnc comes out
[20:15:13] <ssi> :D
[20:15:17] <XXCoder1> lol
[20:15:38] <XXCoder1> 5 min
[20:15:44] <roycroft> math is the language of reality
[20:15:46] <XXCoder1> over 100 backers gained so far
[20:16:01] <roycroft> if you can't speak math you can't comprehend the real world
[20:16:07] <roycroft> so have a bong and relax :)
[20:16:11] <ssi> comprehending the real world is hardi
[20:16:22] <ssi> look at my hands... have you ever really LOOKED at your hands?
[20:17:33] <XXCoder1> yet anohter 100 new backers
[20:17:43] <PetefromTn_> Watchin' Wicked Tuna....
[20:17:49] <XXCoder1> just insane.
[20:18:11] <XXCoder1> 2 min left
[20:18:13] <PetefromTn_> What's insane is how much money those assholes get for a fish...
[20:19:14] <unfy> what on earth are you guys talking about with the KS stuff ?
[20:19:17] <XXCoder1> holy crap
[20:19:22] <XXCoder1> unfy: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/
[20:19:24] <_methods> what's insane is how much they pay to fill their gas tanks to get that fish
[20:19:26] <XXCoder1> last chance lol
[20:19:38] <XXCoder1> 1 min left
[20:19:39] <unfy> lol. no.
[20:19:49] <XXCoder1> hurry hurry hurry hurry lol
[20:19:51] <PetefromTn_> how much could it possibly be it's just freakin' diesel..
[20:19:57] <unfy> while i like the oatmeal, and the concept seems okay. just no.
[20:20:10] <XXCoder1> 30 sec lol
[20:20:36] <PetefromTn_> maybe I should sell my damn machines and buy a boat LOL.
[20:20:47] <_methods> boats are about as far from fuel efficient as it gets
[20:20:47] <XXCoder1> aaaaand thats it
[20:20:54] <_methods> no mas kitteh
[20:21:06] <PetefromTn_> I spent most of my life on boats..
[20:21:26] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: if you ever do, sell me a mill for $1 lol
[20:21:26] <_methods> pirate pete
[20:21:37] <PetefromTn_> Aaarrh
[20:21:37] <XXCoder1> I probably would not be able to afford to bring it here lol
[20:21:43] <_methods> hahah
[20:22:02] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[20:22:05] <zeeshan> what do you guys think of the layout
[20:22:06] <unfy> in regards to kittehs - awesome sauce for the monis
[20:22:08] <zeeshan> none of the links working
[20:22:12] <zeeshan> decided to keep it simple
[20:22:17] <XXCoder1> backer # still increasing
[20:22:29] <XXCoder1> I guess its because they clicked before close
[20:22:54] <XXCoder1> finally end
[20:23:03] <unfy> static width is a bet meh. it could use a document title. otherwise.... sure
[20:23:11] <zeeshan> haha
[20:23:15] <zeeshan> untitled document
[20:23:15] <zeeshan> DOH
[20:23:24] <unfy> i usually prefer simple / elegant pages
[20:23:37] <zeeshan> i didnt use any fancy effects
[20:23:39] <zeeshan> other that hover
[20:23:54] <zeeshan> i need to figure out a way
[20:23:57] <zeeshan> how to oragnize images
[20:24:01] <zeeshan> like if im on my projects page
[20:24:06] <zeeshan> talking about upgrading the lubrication system
[20:24:09] <zeeshan> theres like 10 images
[20:24:14] <unfy> i used to do old school ansi looking boxes and drop shadows faked via html tables back in the html3 days...
[20:24:19] <zeeshan> i dont wanna dump them all in one page
[20:24:21] <unfy> simplicity ftw
[20:24:28] <zeeshan> and i also dont wanna sit there making a thumbnail for each one
[20:24:35] <zeeshan> theres gotta be an easier way? :D
[20:24:41] <_methods> i use koken
[20:25:13] <unfy> i use pmwiki for everything these days
[20:25:13] <_methods> koken for images
[20:25:14] * zeeshan needs to learn to use dreamweaver
[20:25:18] <evil_ren> heh @ html table shadows
[20:25:21] <zeeshan> http://www.adobe.com/inspire/2012/10/ten-steps-dreamweaver-cs6.html
[20:25:22] <_methods> dreamweaver lol
[20:25:25] <_methods> don't even go there
[20:25:30] <zeeshan> thats what im using to make this site
[20:25:36] <evil_ren> prob better off just installing a cms and editing a theme you like
[20:25:42] <zeeshan> no
[20:25:42] <zeeshan> !
[20:25:48] <_methods> pelican
[20:25:49] <evil_ren> eh?
[20:25:53] <Tom_itx> damn i hate messin with bulky wires in tight spaces
[20:25:56] <zeeshan> the problem with themes is i dont wanna spend time learning shit
[20:25:56] <_methods> like a bawse
[20:26:09] <zeeshan> if i do it from scratch i know where everything is
[20:26:21] <zeeshan> like those php scripts that setup a photo gallery drive me insane :(
[20:26:33] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:26:38] <evil_ren> dreamweaver producer nasty ass code, wysiwyg is hardly 'from scratch'
[20:26:43] <_methods> yeah
[20:26:53] <_methods> better off using kompozer
[20:27:14] <evil_ren> if youre not blocking out in like, photoshop, and writing text code, its not from scratch
[20:27:24] <MacGalempsy> witnit_: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/187e6aeeb8e122c2fcb9
[20:27:35] <evil_ren> its like microsoft word for webpages
[20:27:39] <_methods> but if you don't have a site already use octopress/pelican/bootstrap
[20:27:53] <evil_ren> you wouldnt code c++ in microsoft word, even though technically its a text editor
[20:27:55] <zeeshan> i didnt say write code by scratch.
[20:28:05] <zeeshan> take it easy
[20:28:07] <zeeshan> its just a webpage
[20:28:10] <zeeshan> not a cnc controller
[20:28:13] <zeeshan> :)
[20:28:28] <_methods> heheh say that in a few years when you have piles of shit in there
[20:28:32] <_methods> and you have to migrate it
[20:28:32] <evil_ren> okay i will try and be less concerned (?)
[20:29:11] <zeeshan> renesis: it'd mean the world to me
[20:29:14] <zeeshan> if you cared less :D
[20:29:14] <evil_ren> if its not your full time job and you want a site with like, functionality, easier to just CMS and edit themes
[20:29:35] <zeeshan> i asked how to setup a gallery
[20:29:52] <zeeshan> then mentioned i use dreamweaver
[20:30:05] <evil_ren> with a gallery module for your cms
[20:30:22] <evil_ren> do you want to dreamwaver everytime you want to add photos?
[20:30:46] <evil_ren> or do you want to like, click browse, edit description, done
[20:31:47] <evil_ren> dreamwaver is like, its 2001 and its my job to do websites but i dont know hot to html
[20:33:19] <evil_ren> http://www.zenphoto.org/
[20:33:32] <witnit_> MacGalempsy, open your terminal and go to the folder //home/aaron/linuxcnc/pVCP-test/tiny.xml
[20:33:37] <evil_ren> that didnt suck like 8 years ago, prob even better now
[20:33:45] <MacGalempsy> ok
[20:33:54] <witnit_> when you are in the folder that has tiny.xml try the same command
[20:34:02] <witnit_> but just type tiny.xml at the end
[20:34:15] <_methods> piwigo is nice too
[20:34:19] <evil_ren> this was pretty popular http://galleryproject.org/
[20:34:41] <zeeshan> honestly
[20:34:50] <zeeshan> theres too much crap going on in those :P
[20:35:58] <_methods> yeah you probably need to stick with something simple
[20:36:41] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht0e9kfgJ6s
[20:36:44] <zeeshan> trying to follow this
[20:38:27] <PetefromTn_> What I don't get is who the hell pays more than $18.00 a lb for tuna?
[20:38:37] <_methods> japan?
[20:38:43] <_methods> sushi shops?
[20:39:17] <PetefromTn_> I guess... they are selling the tuna for that much to the docks so what the hell are they getting for it to the suppliers... its just insane
[20:39:38] <_methods> people pay big money for sushi
[20:40:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am one of em but I don't like the tuna actually...
[20:40:11] <PetefromTn_> I love a good grilled tuna steak tho..
[20:40:15] <_methods> yeah
[20:40:22] <evil_ren> zeeshan: right, which is why i think you should find a simple cms with either a simple galley plugin or quick editing which allows posting images
[20:40:49] <_methods> evil_ren: some lessons can only be learned one way........with copious pain
[20:40:55] <evil_ren> like, youre effectively using dreamwaver to make some sort of custom proprietary cms
[20:41:07] <_methods> it's a static site
[20:41:39] <evil_ren> its zee, there will probably be lots of galleries happening
[20:41:54] <_methods> not with dreamweaver lol
[20:42:14] <evil_ren> well he will just good at tiling images with dreamwaver
[20:42:18] <evil_ren> weaver
[20:42:39] <jdh> I had tuna sushi tonight, it was great
[20:42:49] <evil_ren> seriously by now there has to be some sort of image upload form gallery wizard plugin
[20:42:50] <jdh> but, not fatty bluefin tuna
[20:42:51] <_methods> better off just using a static site generator like pelican or octopress
[20:43:06] <evil_ren> octopress sounds neat
[20:43:06] <_methods> they both have gallery plugins
[20:43:15] <evil_ren> i dont know anything about it, but cool name
[20:43:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah I like tuna just not SUSHI tuna...
[20:43:31] <_methods> it's by the guys that made github
[20:43:41] <_methods> it uses ruby though......:(
[20:43:42] <evil_ren> like, static gallery generators, or the generate gallery managers?
[20:43:50] <_methods> so i prefer pelican since it uses python
[20:43:58] <evil_ren> did they make github with it?
[20:44:03] <PetefromTn_> we used to catch a lot of Bonita down in florida.. they sure fight but we just threw them back
[20:44:10] <_methods> no they just made it in support of github
[20:44:17] <_methods> it all uses markup or latex
[20:44:22] <_methods> markdown
[20:44:24] <_methods> lol
[20:44:26] <_methods> markup
[20:44:31] <PetefromTn_> the guy just said they send most of it to Japan...
[20:44:36] <evil_ren> no i mean the github website
[20:44:46] <evil_ren> man im confused now
[20:44:47] <_methods> oh yeah i think they used it for that
[20:44:54] <evil_ren> oh thats cool
[20:45:50] <_methods> http://octopress.org/
[20:47:02] <_methods> jekyll is what they used for github i think
[20:47:45] <_methods> https://help.github.com/articles/using-jekyll-with-pages/
[20:49:02] <_methods> jekyll/ocotpress/pelican are all simple static site generators
[20:49:15] <_methods> but if you want a simple easy to migrate site it's the way to go
[20:49:26] <_methods> no databases
[20:50:01] <_methods> you can use database if you want but why
[20:50:31] <_methods> i don't think any of them are SEO friendly though
[21:02:45] <evil_ren> _methods: jekyll is like, feed page content code and it takes care of headers and footers?
[21:03:26] <_methods> yeah
[21:03:30] <_methods> all ruby
[21:03:39] <_methods> which i'm not a big fan of
[21:03:40] <evil_ren> oh and i guess it has formatting stuff
[21:03:46] <_methods> yeah
[21:03:57] <evil_ren> so its like, keepin all the shit proper and consistent app
[21:04:12] <evil_ren> thats sounds awesome unless it doesnt work
[21:04:16] <_methods> it uses latex or markdown for formatting
[21:04:36] <_methods> probably more i don't know about
[21:05:18] <evil_ren> right i dont know if id ever need it, but it seems like would save the world daily if you had big giant site with user generated sub sites
[21:06:05] <_methods> pretty sure that's why github uses it
[21:06:05] * furrywolf exhausted-wolfy-flops
[21:06:08] <XXCoder1> on this application "carnal knowledge" is a crime that they cannot hire people on
[21:06:11] <XXCoder1> weird
[21:08:06] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[21:08:16] <XXCoder1> exactly
[21:09:11] <furrywolf> what are you applying for, exactly?
[21:09:20] <XXCoder1> cnc operator
[21:09:27] <XXCoder1> t same place I work now LOL
[21:09:33] <XXCoder1> only as actual job not intern
[21:10:19] <furrywolf> best guess I can find googling is that they mean rape.
[21:10:28] <XXCoder1> theres rape entry on other point
[21:10:38] <XXCoder1> and children stuff on another
[21:10:42] <XXCoder1> it leaves... regular sex?
[21:11:04] <XXCoder1> dont think theres anyone NOT qulity of that there. except possibly that guy
[21:11:08] <furrywolf> are there lots of children and vulnerable women working your cnc machines? lol
[21:11:16] <XXCoder1> thats the funny thing
[21:11:21] <XXCoder1> nope
[21:11:28] <XXCoder1> women yes but vulnerable hah
[21:12:32] <furrywolf> I've never seen an application, ever, that gave an enumeration of crimes you shouldn't have been convicted of. the most I've ever seen is "if you've been convicted of any felonies, what were they, and are you currently on parole etc?" type things.
[21:12:58] <XXCoder1> they do accept some crimes but some crimes is really a nono
[21:13:14] <XXCoder1> finicial, people related crimes
[21:13:22] <evil_ren> do your applications have the exception for marijuana crimes thing?
[21:13:25] <XXCoder1> they work with training clients
[21:13:30] <evil_ren> maybe thats just a california thing
[21:13:32] <XXCoder1> evil_ren: nope federial company
[21:13:41] <evil_ren> ha
[21:13:45] <XXCoder1> so no pot for me, not that I smoke em
[21:14:23] <evil_ren> last boss knew i smoked, hired me anyway
[21:14:30] <evil_ren> haha wonder if he regrets that
[21:14:37] <furrywolf> do you have some kind of prude or christian for a boss?
[21:14:41] <evil_ren> well, exex boss i guess
[21:15:17] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: possibly.
[21:15:31] <XXCoder1> many I do support, like not employing any sicko
[21:15:37] <evil_ren> possibly just HR there is like that
[21:15:41] <XXCoder1> like rapists and children related crimes
[21:16:04] <XXCoder1> money crimes I suppose makes sense from company view, they run on money after all
[21:16:15] <evil_ren> usually they just ask if a felony, and leave blank for what
[21:16:16] <furrywolf> in theory, once they've served their sentance, they've paid their debt to society and are ready to become productive members of it again.
[21:16:18] <XXCoder1> cardial knowledge yeah no damn idea whgat it means
[21:16:38] <furrywolf> carnal knowledge just means sex, but can be used to mean rape.
[21:16:41] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: some of crimes they list as "ban for 5 years"
[21:17:07] <XXCoder1> none of sex offenses is under 5 years but forever
[21:17:20] <Rab> XXCoder1, "right to work" state?
[21:17:25] <XXCoder1> nah
[21:17:27] <furrywolf> unless the job involves working with children, that's probably illegal.
[21:17:42] <XXCoder1> good thing. "right to fire" more like lol
[21:18:01] <XXCoder1> fur no idea
[21:18:02] <Rab> That's usually how it works.
[21:19:03] <furrywolf> sounds like you have a prude for a manager, who simply read through a (very very old) list of crimes and listed every one. heh.
[21:19:19] <XXCoder1> probably
[21:19:23] <XXCoder1> company is old
[21:19:31] <XXCoder1> so maybe it was NEW when they listed it
[21:19:37] <evil_ren> same photocopied application since 1978
[21:19:48] <XXCoder1> company was formed long while ago
[21:20:32] <Rab> All machines running off the same leather belt, and no carnal knowledge permitted.
[21:20:51] <XXCoder1> lol modern machines thankfully in most cases
[21:20:59] <XXCoder1> most ancient cnc machine is from 80s
[21:21:15] <XXCoder1> and couple mills and lathe from 60s
[21:21:21] <XXCoder1> rest is pretty good
[21:22:33] <XXCoder1> I still remember that 1901 press machine at navair factory
[21:22:43] <XXCoder1> guy said its been running nonstop
[21:22:53] <evil_ren> i dont think pressed have changed very much
[21:22:54] <XXCoder1> besides basic mainatance, it never broke
[21:23:57] <furrywolf> not much to brake...
[21:23:57] <furrywolf> :P
[21:24:03] <furrywolf> (pun intended)
[21:24:14] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:25:45] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: ironically they also has 2010 press that broke once a month
[21:25:55] <XXCoder1> its off into its own room because its sensive
[21:26:02] <furrywolf> chinese?
[21:26:12] <_methods> turkey
[21:26:16] <XXCoder1> probably it was far off cant see
[21:26:30] <XXCoder1> 1901 is damn full of dirt and oil
[21:26:36] <furrywolf> and there's your problem.
[21:26:41] <XXCoder1> it made me feel dirty and oily just looking at it
[21:26:50] <_methods> heheh
[21:27:11] <_methods> is it an obi press? or press brake?
[21:27:27] <XXCoder1> hmm not sure
[21:27:31] <XXCoder1> not familiar with presses
[21:27:50] <_methods> were they bending sheet metal in it?
[21:27:53] <_methods> or stamping out stuff
[21:27:57] <XXCoder1> it just pushes achor into wire
[21:28:06] <XXCoder1> making it one part
[21:28:18] <_methods> probably obi press
[21:28:34] <XXCoder1> I saw cutouts. damn it presses so hard
[21:28:49] <XXCoder1> big machine
[21:28:53] <_methods> i'm surprised they can still use it
[21:29:03] <_methods> osha doesn't like those old presses
[21:29:06] <XXCoder1> its immortal
[21:29:12] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:29:27] <_methods> that immortality comes with payment in mortal body parts
[21:29:28] <XXCoder1> I did read about elio tryng to sell off 2500 ton press
[21:29:40] <XXCoder1> not typo, 2500 ton
[21:29:50] <_methods> yeah that's a big press
[21:29:50] <XXCoder1> 5 million pound press
[21:30:13] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:30:34] <XXCoder1> elio menioned that its off on its own on special fountain and building structure around
[21:30:42] <XXCoder1> so workers dont feel it run lol
[21:32:29] <XXCoder1> http://www.eliomotors.com/the-elio-plant-equipment-11615/
[21:32:30] <furrywolf> XXCoder1: what state are you in?
[21:32:36] <XXCoder1> washington state
[21:34:03] <furrywolf> looks like it translates to statuatory rape of a minor. (not neccessarily forceful rape)
[21:34:17] <XXCoder1> interesting. thanks
[21:34:55] <furrywolf> nothing google finds is newer than the '60s. lol
[21:35:06] <_methods> yeah that's a big stamping press
[21:35:15] <XXCoder1> 2 floor tall
[21:36:02] <_methods> where is this plant?
[21:36:26] <XXCoder1> it says so on page lol
[21:36:47] <furrywolf> there's a 3 floor tall bandsaw at a mill here
[21:37:24] <_methods> i don't see where it says location in wa
[21:37:37] <XXCoder1> _methods: elio? its not at wa
[21:37:46] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: dang
[21:37:53] <XXCoder1> for cutting 2 floor tall parts?
[21:38:26] <furrywolf> for cutting 2 floor wide trees. :P
[21:39:12] <XXCoder1> fun
[21:39:22] <XXCoder1> I wish we dont depend on trees so much
[21:39:32] <XXCoder1> would love to manage so forests actually grow
[21:39:34] <XXCoder1> like at sweden
[21:39:42] <XXCoder1> they sell LOT wood stuff yet forest grows
[21:40:04] <furrywolf> our forests are growing too
[21:40:10] <XXCoder1> pfft
[21:40:47] <furrywolf> note that I live in an area of really big trees, with pretty much the entire non-native-american history of the area being logging driven.
[21:41:00] <XXCoder1> nice
[21:41:07] <XXCoder1> washington uis halfway in between
[21:41:17] <XXCoder1> half is kept up, grow cut grow cycle
[21:41:26] <XXCoder1> but old forests is being cut once a while
[21:42:34] <XXCoder1> elio http://stores.ebay.com/automationrecovery1/
[21:42:44] <XXCoder1> 1.4 million for that press
[21:42:52] <XXCoder1> not even $1 a pound of power LOL
[21:43:19] <furrywolf> I need a small press brake.
[21:43:29] <XXCoder1> they have lots smaller ones
[21:43:31] <XXCoder1> all 150k
[21:43:34] <XXCoder1> $
[21:43:50] <XXCoder1> they have few cnc cam drill
[21:44:10] <XXCoder1> not many cnc and no mills on sale
[21:45:47] <_methods> it would be fun to make a small cnc press brake
[21:46:12] <_methods> i dont' think too many people have done diy cnc press brake
[21:46:22] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:46:33] <XXCoder1> you would need basic brake and some kinda way to move stuff
[21:47:31] <XXCoder1> or maybe just build whole thingn lol
[21:47:35] * furrywolf is exhausted from working too hard, and not being productive tonight. bleh.
[21:48:14] <XXCoder1> "explain why you are interested in this position"
[21:48:18] <XXCoder1> I hate that question
[21:49:04] <jdh> "I think it will better position me to take your job"
[21:49:16] <XXCoder1> "money"
[21:49:29] <XXCoder1> "money. what the fuck else do you think" lol
[21:49:43] <furrywolf> "it strokes my spot just the right way"
[21:49:47] <furrywolf> oh, you mean a job...
[21:50:57] <XXCoder1> lol
[21:51:02] <zeeshan> lol
[21:51:03] <Cromaglious> hmmm cnc pressbrake would be for production type jobs...
[21:52:04] <Cromaglious> or have a touch screen with material, thickness, bend angle and a recent job list to select from
[21:52:16] <furrywolf> I don't know anything about cnc press brakes, but what I'm finding googling shows most of them being only semi-cnc, with a human (or a trained monkey, since it's just following identical steps repeatedly) doing at least some of the part movement.
[21:52:40] <_methods> the backgauges and ram is cnc
[21:52:47] <XXCoder1> work got cnc press and its pretty cool
[21:52:51] <_methods> s/is/are
[21:53:01] <XXCoder1> and damn loud (sure can feel it running when thick sheet)
[21:53:17] <_methods> some cnc brakes are 6 axis though
[21:53:22] <_methods> they can get pretty crazy
[21:53:46] <Cromaglious> I've seen a fully CNC brake on a youtube video of a truck plant in germany
[21:53:49] <XXCoder1> curious if you guys get this http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/6/6/371466_v1.jpg
[21:54:26] <_methods> hehe
[21:54:30] <_methods> 88mph
[21:54:36] <XXCoder1> yep lol
[21:54:58] <Cromaglious> hah delorean.... funky industrial electrical connector...
[21:58:00] <XXCoder1> lol http://www.careerswales.com/en/jobs-and-training/job-seeking/vacancy-search/help-apprenticeships-jobs-growth-wales-applications/how-to-complete-the-why-i-am-interested-in-this-vacancy-box/
[21:58:07] <XXCoder1> look at bad examples
[21:58:35] <furrywolf> still only finding machines that require a person to do all the part positioning
[21:58:55] <XXCoder1> hmm theres presses that make holes
[21:58:59] <XXCoder1> and other that bend stuff
[21:59:08] <XXCoder1> I dont think theres any 100% cnc bender
[21:59:30] <XXCoder1> press at work is 100% automatic but it makes holes edges so on, no bending
[22:01:08] <furrywolf> you could make a 100% cnc one with a arm, magnetic or suction end effector, and some machine vision to make sure the part is lined up...
[22:01:40] <furrywolf> printing alignment marks on the part beforehand might make the task a lot easier.
[22:03:55] <XXCoder1> interesting http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/02/honey-on-tap/
[22:04:29] * furrywolf doesn't like honey
[22:04:46] <XXCoder1> honey is one of very few basically immortal food
[22:04:59] <XXCoder1> as long as properly processed then packed
[22:05:57] <furrywolf> and that's supposed to make me like how it tastes?
[22:06:12] <XXCoder1> nah just saying fact about it lol
[22:06:26] <XXCoder1> bee vomit is yummy to me though lol
[22:06:55] <furrywolf> only sugar glop I like is maple syrup.
[22:06:59] <furrywolf> and then only sparingly
[22:07:20] <furrywolf> but when I do use it, I like the grade C bottom-of-the-pot variety, none of that "light amber" crap.
[22:07:49] <XXCoder1> MJaple I like only ones that take minute to get out of container lol
[22:09:10] <furrywolf> ?
[22:09:24] <XXCoder1> seriously usually like lite versions. regular is too sweet to me
[22:09:38] <XXCoder1> as long as no hfcs
[22:10:35] <furrywolf> eww
[22:10:46] <XXCoder1> lol
[22:10:50] ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.6.6 | http://www.linuxcnc.org
[22:10:56] <seb_kuzminsky> new release y'all!
[22:11:07] <XXCoder1> whats new on it
[22:11:17] <PetefromTn_> You Rock Sebastian LOL
[22:11:45] <seb_kuzminsky> changes in 2.6: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Released_2.6.X
[22:11:51] <XXCoder1> reading now
[22:14:53] <furrywolf> none of those changes say "fix bug where users don't have enough money to afford parts for their machines".
[22:15:15] <zeeshan> nice
[22:15:51] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yay! thanks!
[22:16:14] <seb_kuzminsky> yay! :-)
[22:17:37] <furrywolf> do I just run an apt-get update and upgrade and it'll fetch it? I haven't looked closely at what the cd installed yet.
[22:17:48] <cradek> yep
[22:17:58] <zeeshan> do we have an eta
[22:18:05] <Tom_itx> furrywolf there's a link to instructions there
[22:18:15] <zeeshan> for the new trajectory planner by rob ellenberg
[22:18:18] <zeeshan> coming to a stable release?
[22:18:21] <zeeshan> :D
[22:18:33] <furrywolf> I'll need to fetch the laptop from storage, as there's no internet there.
[22:18:39] <PetefromTn_> so does this have all the Tormach stuff in it hehe ;)
[22:18:58] <furrywolf> how about pcw's ethernet boards? :)
[22:19:26] <Tom_itx> those require preempt -rt iirc
[22:19:32] <Tom_itx> correct me if i'm wrong...
[22:19:44] <Tom_itx> as i'm sure you will :)
[22:19:54] <furrywolf> I did notice I'm picking up a wifi signal at storage... probably one of the houses behind it. I might have to scout it out and ask if I can leech off it.
[22:21:08] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/store/oil_filler_neck/oil_filler_neck.html
[22:21:12] <zeeshan> can someone test drive this
[22:21:16] <zeeshan> if the images open in a lightbox
[22:22:09] <furrywolf> yes, slowly. I hate lightboxes.
[22:22:38] <furrywolf> and your lightbox code breaks firefox's "view image" option, so I can't even get it out of the lightbox easily.
[22:23:35] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: I ould love that bug be fixed lol
[22:24:51] <furrywolf> wouldn't separating pricing and shipping, as done by roughly every other store on the planet, be easier for both you and your customers?
[22:24:53] <zeeshan> im using firefox?
[22:25:04] <zeeshan> no
[22:25:08] <zeeshan> in my expereince , that drives people away
[22:26:21] <furrywolf> ... it does? I avoid buying more than one item from any store that doesn't properly calculate shipping, as I know I'm getting ripped off by paying shipping multiple times, while they'll just pocket the extra.
[22:27:12] <zeeshan> do you buy aftermarket car stuff?
[22:27:18] <furrywolf> yes
[22:27:27] <zeeshan> well you
[22:27:28] <zeeshan> you
[22:27:30] <zeeshan> you're a special one
[22:27:37] <furrywolf> lol
[22:27:39] <zeeshan> most people don't care about the $1 they're losing in shipping
[22:27:43] <zeeshan> especially on rx7club
[22:28:02] <zeeshan> click pay recieve
[22:28:03] <zeeshan> easy
[22:28:05] <furrywolf> I care that $1 means I have to work an extra ten minutes, and if ten minutes of shopping around saves that $1...
[22:29:02] <furrywolf> I especially dislike ebay's pushing for free shipping listings.
[22:29:11] * zeeshan likes to hide handling costs
[22:29:21] <XXCoder1> whoa. 200k backers at 7 hours left, finished at 219,382. thats 19k in just 7 hours
[22:29:21] <furrywolf> and search for sellers who offer calculated shipping, not free shipping. more honest, and often cheaper too.
[22:30:00] <XXCoder1> included always mean its highest shipping can be
[22:30:05] <XXCoder1> like say across entire usa
[22:30:17] <furrywolf> speaking of aftermarket car parts, can you get THIN radiator fans? under 1.5". I have 2" ones, and they don't fit. this is what happens when you stuff too large of an engine in. lol
[22:30:33] <XXCoder1> heh
[22:30:43] <zeeshan> i use flex-a-lite fans
[22:30:46] <zeeshan> or mishimoto
[22:30:48] <XXCoder1> try mecury sable 1988 3.8l 2 ton truck engine in sedan car
[22:30:49] <furrywolf> I used a couple pusher fans, but cooling is marginal at low speeds. I'd much prefer a good thin puller fan.
[22:30:56] <XXCoder1> literal inches
[22:30:57] <zeeshan> but they're all crap compared to oem taurus fans
[22:30:59] <zeeshan> or rx7
[22:31:02] <XXCoder1> thats all you has fir fixing
[22:31:13] <furrywolf> oem taurus fans are >=2", no?
[22:31:17] <zeeshan> yea theyre huge
[22:31:27] <furrywolf> so that doesn't help me much. :P
[22:31:27] <zeeshan> but crazy airflow
[22:31:44] <zeeshan> you cant move your radiator up more?
[22:31:53] <furrywolf> heh, someone I'm going to help with an engine swap is going to have to relocate the radiator to make room for the engine... that'll be fun.
[22:31:58] <zeeshan> http://energiejapanparts.com/energiejp2/energiejp/wp-content/uploads/impp_0808_07_z+cooling_mods+mishimoto_radiator_fans.jpg
[22:32:02] <furrywolf> no.
[22:32:11] <zeeshan> thats as thin as youre gonna get! :P
[22:32:21] <furrywolf> we're expecting the engine to be awfully close to the front bumper when he's done. :)
[22:32:21] <XXCoder1> 1 mm
[22:32:37] <zeeshan> i notice you cant copy an image in the lightbox
[22:32:38] <zeeshan> nice
[22:33:05] <furrywolf> zeeshan: that's what I said, it breaks firefox's "view image" function. have to grab the image url from the page info if you want to get it out of the stupid box.
[22:33:19] <furrywolf> I think I tried a couple of those fans, and they were >2.5" in the middle.
[22:33:33] <zeeshan> you can try to stagger the fans
[22:33:37] <zeeshan> rathern than have them side by side
[22:33:51] <furrywolf> yes. I've tried that. I couldn't even make a pair of 8" ones fit. :P
[22:34:01] <zeeshan> bad engine mount design then :P
[22:34:17] <furrywolf> moving the engine will screw up the cv angles...
[22:34:38] <zeeshan> move the rad :P
[22:34:44] <furrywolf> and make me have to re-design the shift linkage again. :)
[22:35:10] <furrywolf> radiator is taller than the core support. I'd need to use a shorter radiator, and relocate the a/c and hood latch too.
[22:35:31] <zeeshan> angle it
[22:35:49] <XXCoder1> time lord tech
[22:35:51] <furrywolf> I'll probably re-engineer the hood latch support bracket, which will let me fit in a larger pusher fan, see how that works.
[22:36:02] <furrywolf> right now it runs cool at idle, and at speed, but climbs up crawling.
[22:36:19] <PetefromTn_> I think it is funny how they try to put drama into these Fishing shows hehehe Anything for some drama...
[22:36:25] <zeeshan> its prolly cause its blocking some of the fans
[22:36:30] <zeeshan> which is a big problem with pushers
[22:36:45] <zeeshan> fins i mean
[22:36:46] <zeeshan> not fans
[22:36:51] <furrywolf> I'm losing air back out the condensor.
[22:36:58] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: its not realty show, its scripted reality shpw
[22:37:19] <furrywolf> the pusher fans are doing a very poor job actually getting air through the radiator... does a much better job cooling the a/c than the radiator.
[22:37:22] <XXCoder1> my van seem unable to keep itself warmed up, I guess its because termostat isnt working
[22:37:25] <XXCoder1> stuck open
[22:37:48] <XXCoder1> gonna clean iac and check maf first though lol
[22:37:49] <XXCoder1> fun
[22:38:17] <furrywolf> unable to warm up is either bad thermostat, bad gauge, or air bubble making gauge read low.
[22:38:37] <XXCoder1> nissan quests is apparently very hard tio get rid of air bubbles
[22:38:56] <XXCoder1> guage does go up, just slowly
[22:39:07] <XXCoder1> way too slowly
[22:39:15] <XXCoder1> and quickly goes down as I speed up
[22:40:06] <furrywolf> sounds like thermostat then
[22:40:31] <XXCoder1> yeah. it idles pretty badly and really bad mpg (~17.2 when should be 21 since majority freeway)
[22:40:53] <furrywolf> that's not thermostat.
[22:40:59] <XXCoder1> I know
[22:41:05] <XXCoder1> thats why im checking maf and iac
[22:41:18] <XXCoder1> mpg is costing me more money than lack of warmup
[22:41:57] <furrywolf> checked spark plugs, vacuum leaks, and other basic tuneup items?
[22:42:03] <XXCoder1> yeah
[22:42:08] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man all DRAMA!
[22:42:09] <XXCoder1> new sparkplugs
[22:42:20] <XXCoder1> old ones heh it was abused
[22:42:23] <furrywolf> zeeshan: my conclusion is pushers simply don't work well when you have a/c.
[22:42:33] <XXCoder1> I guess even orginal? LOL
[22:42:54] <furrywolf> you can't push air through something a layer back...
[22:44:21] <furrywolf> but, if I redesign the hood latch support, I should be able to get a larger pusher in there, which will hopefully help. I'll also be able to support the fan on metal brackets, rather than the stupid push-through zip tie thingies that came with the fans.
[22:45:05] <furrywolf> I want to build my own fan using blade tip magnets and a brushless motor around the outside. :)
[22:46:28] <furrywolf> also need to build a baffle so I don't have a hot air intake like I do now...
[22:47:27] <furrywolf> I mounted an aem dryflow with mesh sock kinda between the headlights and the radiator... which I suspect is getting pretty warm air.
[22:48:42] <XXCoder1> furry one of mods I want to do is control air flow
[22:49:01] <XXCoder1> so less air during winter to warm easier AND less air resistance
[22:50:39] <furrywolf> stuffing a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator is a somewhat time-honored tradition. however, on modern vehicles, the therostat will do a perfectly good job making the car warm up. as to air resistance, letting it flow through the radiator is less resistance than blocking it, unless you're planning building some fancy fairing...
[22:53:26] <XXCoder1> yeah its more latter thing but van its not worth it
[22:53:36] <XXCoder1> it already takes plenty cross section
[22:57:00] <furrywolf> some company makes a really thin fan, with a name I can't remember right now, that used a 3/8" wide timing belt to drive it, so you could mount the motor off to the side... but it was ungodly expensive.
[22:58:42] <zeeshan> got a pic?
[22:58:45] <zeeshan> i havent seen that :P
[22:58:49] <zeeshan> find it!
[22:58:54] * furrywolf googles
[22:59:26] <furrywolf> http://www.mattsonscustomradiator.com/side-winder.html
[22:59:43] <zeeshan> nice!
[22:59:45] <zeeshan> that is cool
[22:59:50] <zeeshan> 2400cfm
[22:59:52] <zeeshan> interesting!
[23:00:40] <furrywolf> I still like my idea of a tip-drive brushless motor better.
[23:03:52] <XXCoder1> just randomly remembered this
[23:04:00] <XXCoder1> my mom used to own a car that constantly overheated
[23:04:07] <XXCoder1> apparently fan wasnt installed right
[23:04:09] <furrywolf> I think that with the hood latch re-engineered, I can fit a much larger pusher in. will need to try and see what I can fit.
[23:04:10] <XXCoder1> so it blows out
[23:04:18] <XXCoder1> which probably isnt good idea
[23:04:24] <furrywolf> lol
[23:04:40] <XXCoder1> works when stopped but...
[23:07:24] <furrywolf> hrmm... why put the motor behind the fan? spread a couple of the tubes apart, run a long shaft through the rad, put the motor behind the front grille. :P
[23:07:50] <XXCoder1> use flex cable to put motor to side
[23:07:59] <XXCoder1> or belt around entire fan lol
[23:08:03] <furrywolf> why doesn't anyone make a radiator with such a feature integrated, anyway? I could totally see someone selling those.
[23:09:00] <furrywolf> a 1.5-core radiator, with one core with a fan mounted to it, motor in front, and two cores around the fan, with angled fins to feed off air blown outwards from the fan...
[23:09:19] <XXCoder1> 2 fans, front and back
[23:09:35] <furrywolf> that doesn't work any better than one fan, and uses twice the room.
[23:10:06] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[23:12:46] <PetefromTn_> down to 5 degrees on our way to -2 apparently tonight.... SHIT I HATE WINTER!!
[23:13:19] <XXCoder1> its middle of spring here
[23:13:23] <XXCoder1> 45f
[23:13:45] <furrywolf> it's the rainy season here, transitioning into the foggy season.
[23:14:27] <furrywolf> at the end of the foggy season, it'll change back to the rainy season.
[23:14:52] <XXCoder1> it was "early spring" heavy rain, then moved to mid-spring of sun sometimes rain
[23:14:56] <XXCoder1> too early :9
[23:15:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.wbir.com/weather/ sayin' snow tomorrow a bit again too.... Gonna have a Broncosicle for a little longer I guess SIGH...
[23:16:49] <bobo_> http://www.zillow.com/browse/homes/fl/saint-lucie-county/
[23:17:33] <PetefromTn_> DUDE THAT IS COLD!!!
[23:17:57] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[23:18:12] <PetefromTn_> I can't remember what our old Zip code was...
[23:18:29] <bobo_> pick your house now.----before I get there
[23:19:01] <PetefromTn_> Honestly man right now if I cold get my asking price for this house I would leave the machine here LOL
[23:19:55] <furrywolf> I wish I could get a house.
[23:21:05] <Cromaglious> 66f in the Kitchen which is unheated
[23:21:10] <Cromaglious> 9pm
[23:21:24] <XXCoder1> dont want a house
[23:21:30] <XXCoder1> I want a machien lol
[23:21:51] <furrywolf> warm in here at 58F
[23:21:55] <PetefromTn_> you can have both right here LOL..
[23:22:03] <XXCoder1> 50f here
[23:22:04] <furrywolf> machines require houses to put them in
[23:22:13] <PetefromTn_> we keep our house pretty warm at least 73 inside...
[23:22:18] <XXCoder1> that is true but rent is fine
[23:22:19] <furrywolf> eww
[23:22:37] <bobo_> So would the 2 of you rather hhave a House or mayby a really big nice shop you could also live in ?
[23:22:39] * furrywolf considers anything over 65F, inside, outside, or anywhere else except a hot tub or a shower, to be too damn hot!
[23:22:43] <XXCoder1> pete if I owned place I would set it to 60s.
[23:22:52] <furrywolf> bobo_: there's a difference?
[23:23:13] <XXCoder1> bobo_: yes if alone, no if family
[23:23:17] <furrywolf> bobo_: I have a workbench in my living room, complete with pegboard screwed to the walls.
[23:23:18] <PetefromTn_> no thanks man I HATE the cold.. I want to be warm inside my house and comfortable..
[23:23:29] <XXCoder1> 60s is netural to me
[23:23:31] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I want to be comfortable too!
[23:23:34] <XXCoder1> 70s is warm
[23:23:39] <XXCoder1> 80s is hot
[23:23:40] <furrywolf> 70s are too hot
[23:23:57] <XXCoder1> to me 50s is just a little bit cool
[23:23:57] <PetefromTn_> I would consider a big building with a house upstairs but I doubt my wife would go for it unless it was REALLY nice inside hehe
[23:24:11] <furrywolf> I don't have any kind of shop space, so the living room doubles as the shop...
[23:24:20] <furrywolf> no, guests never want to come over. why do you ask?
[23:24:41] <XXCoder1> I guess you ligve alone or something like tjaty
[23:25:18] <furrywolf> it was rather warm here today... unseasonably sunny day. almost hit 60F!
[23:25:23] <PetefromTn_> I used to rent a house not far from here and we took a bedroom and made a shop out of it...
[23:25:30] <PetefromTn_> It was carpeted
[23:25:43] <PetefromTn_> I went to the landlord and told him what I wanted to do..
[23:25:56] <PetefromTn_> I bought 3/4 inch plywood and some visqueen plastic sheet
[23:25:57] <Cromaglious> 60 is cold to me... anything in the 70s is nice, I only start looking for someplace with air conditioner when it hits 90
[23:26:14] <PetefromTn_> played down thee plastic all over the floor and stapled it up the walls about three feet.
[23:26:26] <PetefromTn_> then we laid down the plywood and made a new floor in the whole room
[23:26:49] <PetefromTn_> Then I CAREFULLY brought my RF45 and 12x36 lathe and toolboxes etc in there..
[23:26:59] <furrywolf> it was around 65F last week... turned my van's a/c on for the first time this year.
[23:27:00] <PetefromTn_> Had it that way for about 5 years
[23:27:21] <PetefromTn_> when we left that was the cleanest room in the house LOL
[23:27:25] <XXCoder1> lol
[23:27:33] <PetefromTn_> it seriously was!
[23:27:40] <PetefromTn_> carpet looked PERFECT
[23:27:52] <Cromaglious> nice, i would love to have a RF45 square column
[23:27:58] <PetefromTn_> I repainted the walls and got my entire security deposit back..
[23:28:27] <PetefromTn_> it was a decent little machine. Mine was kind of a hybrid between the RF45 and the IH machine.
[23:28:46] <PetefromTn_> It had the big head with the large round ring Z slide
[23:28:53] <furrywolf> I really wish I could afford to buy a house... doesn't need to be anything fancy, something rotten out would be fine with me... but it's not likely to ever happen.
[23:28:57] <PetefromTn_> and the column had the 20" Z travel
[23:29:12] <Cromaglious> ugh staples what a rip off $33 for 100 color business cards
[23:29:12] <PetefromTn_> but the base and table travels were the same as the regular RF45's
[23:29:32] <Cromaglious> single sided!
[23:29:37] <furrywolf> houses cost a lot. :(
[23:29:54] <PetefromTn_> Right now I kinda wish I was a renter...I would be gone already LOL...
[23:29:58] <Cromaglious> furrywolf, find a FHA repo.
[23:30:36] <Cromaglious> so you have to put in some drywall and some wiring, and some plumbing...
[23:31:17] <furrywolf> I hate drywall. plywood! :P
[23:31:58] <bobo_> I just think the M Stewart concept of "A House" in America is way over blown.
[23:32:43] <Connor> Drywall is a pain.. I just had to hang a new sheet in the Kitchen the other day.. had to cut in 9 holes in it.
[23:33:05] <XXCoder1> drywall? plywood? steel!
[23:33:10] <XXCoder1> one inch, all walls
[23:33:19] <XXCoder1> sucks for wifi though lol
[23:33:20] <bobo_> also the new economy ,I think is going to change that concept
[23:34:06] <Connor> We have it 66F in the house right now.
[23:34:31] <furrywolf> new economy? is this some economy where hard work is rewarded?
[23:35:36] <PetefromTn_> we have been about 70-72 all day in the house.. probably making my electric bill go up but whatever I will deal with it.
[23:36:22] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:36:28] <bobo_> i think there will be a lot more home industry
[23:36:30] <Connor> Yup. No dought.
[23:37:08] <Connor> Got in my Ez-Level stuff for the cabinets.. going to try to hang the wall cabinets this week end and maybe even get the base cabinets installed..
[23:37:20] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:37:50] <Connor> PetefromTn_: http://www.ez-level.com/ Check it out.. nice setup for cabinets.. I always hated the idea of using shims.
[23:38:29] <XXCoder1> shimmy shims
[23:38:36] <furrywolf> ... does anything on that page tell you what they are?
[23:39:00] <Connor> http://www.ez-level.com/HowToOrder.html
[23:39:04] <Connor> watch the video
[23:39:04] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have done that for years.. I have a laser level system with auto leveing
[23:39:14] <Connor> I do too.. now.
[23:39:29] <Connor> $89.00 Bosh.. May take it back after the job is done. :)
[23:39:49] <furrywolf> I'm not watching a fucking video to learn what a product is.
[23:39:49] <Connor> I have a cheap-o Ryobi, but, it's not auto leveling..
[23:40:01] <PetefromTn_> honestly I mostly use my 7' level tho and verify with the laser
[23:40:17] <Connor> I only have a 3' level.
[23:40:29] <Connor> furrywolf: http://www.ez-level.com/mm5/graphics/white-template/levelers-2.jpg
[23:40:31] <Connor> that says it all.
[23:40:46] <PetefromTn_> no man make him watch the video so he whines about it more
[23:41:12] <Connor> I also bought those cabinet jaw clamps..
[23:41:21] <Connor> should make things tons easier.
[23:41:34] <Connor> having the right tools makes a huge difference.
[23:41:52] <furrywolf> you leave them in place? seems excessive for something that will never be moved...
[23:41:55] <PetefromTn_> I use pipe clamps and some large vise grip welding clamps
[23:42:01] <bobo_> are the ez-level plastic?
[23:42:14] <Connor> bobo_: No. Metal.
[23:42:45] <bobo_> OK you may proceed
[23:43:11] <Connor> furrywolf: Tad speendy, but, my will make it tons easier to get level.
[23:44:23] <furrywolf> with routine adjustment, leaving them in would prevent countertop warping as the building settles, which would be nice.... but 99% of them will never be readjusted. heh.
[23:45:26] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I must have set and installed thousands of cabinets in my life by now hehe
[23:45:35] <Connor> My problem is, my cabinets are so damn cheap.. the sides aren't necessarily flush with the finished face-frame.
[23:45:47] <zeeshan> man
[23:45:49] <zeeshan> making a webpage
[23:45:51] <zeeshan> is time consuming work
[23:45:57] <zeeshan> but its a nice way to organize stuff
[23:46:02] <Connor> so, I don't know weather to level based on the face-frame, or what
[23:46:02] <PetefromTn_> I know I am working on mine now..
[23:46:09] <zeeshan> it took me an hour
[23:46:11] <zeeshan> just to do my aboute page
[23:46:17] <zeeshan> and i still feel it's incomplete
[23:46:30] <Connor> zeeshan: Your doing it the hard way. Use a CMS system like Joomla.
[23:46:40] <zeeshan> no
[23:46:45] <zeeshan> i want a fully customizable site
[23:46:49] <zeeshan> and that's not what's taking long
[23:46:51] <Connor> Me and the Wife use to do from scratch sites all the time..
[23:46:54] <zeeshan> it's trying to organize my thoughts
[23:47:13] <Connor> I could see why that would be a problem in your case zeeshan :)
[23:47:20] <zeeshan> haha
[23:47:50] <furrywolf> I'm prone to making standard header/footer files and including them in content files... a good compromise between simple and not having redundent navigation etc.
[23:48:23] <Connor> Site I'm working on now.. http://www.keeautotop.com/joomla/
[23:48:30] <Connor> old site: not done by us: http://www.keeautotop.com/
[23:49:39] <furrywolf> I see a lot of warped countertops, but I can't imagine the average homeowner is ever going to readjust them.
[23:50:13] <Connor> furrywolf: I didn't get it for readjustments.. I got it for easy of use and installation.
[23:51:25] <furrywolf> if you can pretend to be a contractor, you get them for $10/set... :P
[23:51:28] <PetefromTn_> Thats another thing I hate about Tennessee... most houses here area built on a basement or crawlspace so the floors are stick built.. SO over time everything moves with settling and temperature... In Florida almost all homes are built on Concrete slabs...
[23:52:00] <furrywolf> most houses here are post and pier with a crawlspace
[23:52:02] <furrywolf> slabs suck.
[23:52:10] <PetefromTn_> BS...
[23:52:21] <zeeshan> thats nice connor
[23:52:22] <furrywolf> any possible advantage of a slab goes away the first time something needs fixing, adding, etc.
[23:53:04] <furrywolf> a crawlspace makes maintenance easy... need new plumbing? more air ducts? sat tv? got a leaky drain pipe? no problem.
[23:53:08] <PetefromTn_> That has never happened to any house I have ever lived in down there and my family built houses down there... Yeah I will take a slab floor any day over this shit..
[23:53:47] <furrywolf> then you here about people with slabs needing to rip up the floor and jackhammer because when they flush the toilet it comes up in the living room carpet...
[23:53:49] <furrywolf> hear
[23:53:55] <Connor> furrywolf: and a moldy crawl space too.. that costs me $30k to fix!
[23:54:07] <PetefromTn_> exactly...
[23:54:27] <bobo_> and in Flordia , they tend to leave a nice clean slab ------ high wind high tide etc.
[23:54:38] <furrywolf> lol
[23:54:50] <XXCoder1> sparky slab
[23:54:52] <Connor> lol? WTF?
[23:54:59] <Connor> Moldy crawl space isn't funny.
[23:55:13] <furrywolf> slabs are great for disposable houses. if you plan for it to be around a while, put in a proper foundation and floor.
[23:55:31] <furrywolf> the lol was to bobo.
[23:55:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I HATE getting under the house in the crawlspace and ours is not that bad really...
[23:55:40] <Connor> I like Slab with a Basement.
[23:55:55] <furrywolf> basements don't work here.
[23:56:02] <PetefromTn_> disposable?? You gotta be kidding me..
[23:56:31] <PetefromTn_> there are many old florida homes in WAY better shape than most any stick built homes here that are half thier age..
[23:56:34] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Mine isn't bad anymore either. It's like a mini basement.. thick plastic.. Foam on the outside walls.. a dehumidifier.. ]
[23:56:36] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yes. slabs are like apple products that are glued shut and the battery epoxied in... you only get one if you plan to throw it away when it breaks.
[23:57:02] <XXCoder1> make a land sub
[23:57:11] <PetefromTn_> most are also cinder block walls too nevermind the fact that they are now built with hurricane hangars and other regulations to ensure they can stand up to most anything...
[23:57:11] <furrywolf> because just like apple products, you need a jackhammer to get them apart. :P
[23:57:53] <Connor> zeeshan: Thanks btw.. Still working on it..
[23:58:05] <PetefromTn_> I have NEVER jackhammered shit in a florida home and lived there most of my life... I cannot recall anyone I know doing it either.. Most stuff is in the attick in Florida... You are a crackpot man...
[23:58:10] <furrywolf> all the old houses here, you can usually see multiple generations of plumbing, electrical, gas, etc under them... upgrades you can't do economically with a slab.
[23:58:45] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: talk to anyone who's ever had a DWV plumbing issue with a slap
[23:58:49] <furrywolf> slab
[23:58:58] <furrywolf> or houses with all the electrical ran in the slab...
[23:59:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah you see multiple generations because that is how many times it screwed up and had to be replaced LOL
[23:59:17] <bobo_> Conner the old electronic whole house air cleaners would produce small amount of ozone. ozone is bad for mold
[23:59:20] <PetefromTn_> nobody puts the electrical in the slab..
[23:59:33] <Connor> or if they do, it's in conduit.
[23:59:39] <furrywolf> yep. as it turns out, utilities wear out with time, or become obsolete, and need to be repaired, replaced, and upgraded.