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[02:00:41] <Crom_> wow homing is a PITA!!
[02:02:55] <Crom_> I'm going to try to set all home + min Limit on pin 10, and max limit on pin 11 and get some kind of index on A using pin 12
[02:04:55] <Crom_> using spring clamps to hold the switches in place to figure everything out, then I'mm start making mounts and drill holes
[02:06:16] <Crom_> home all stopped working, so I have to figure that out tomorrow
[02:09:04] <Crom_> hmmmm maybe I should home everything on pin 10 and limit everything on 11
[02:11:33] <witnit> you'll get it :)
[02:20:28] <Crom_> I want a free pin for A
[02:21:39] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:50] <Crom_> morning
[02:22:18] <Crom_> I have a delrin cutting board ready to used to make a probe
[02:23:41] <Crom_> I have ball nose end mills 1/8" and 1/4" and a 1/4" ER11 collet on order
[02:27:00] <archivist> add another parallel port for more IO
[02:28:19] <Crom_> I have a dual port LPT PCI board in the computer room... I don't have room in the case. It's a Mini-box.com
[02:30:10] <Crom_> hmm will usb to parallel work for inputs?
[02:30:30] <archivist> likely NO
[02:31:04] <Crom_> as a second port
[02:31:10] <archivist> usb has high latency so unsuited to any realtime
[02:32:17] <Crom_> coolant, air, driving a relay board it should be ok on off stuff, nothing timing critical
[02:32:39] <Swapper> Crom_:
https://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/tag/hal2arduino/
[02:33:06] <Crom_> that sounds like a better idea
[02:33:25] <Swapper> Crom_: Supports limits and stuff
[02:34:02] <Crom_> limits I'd want on the hardware lpt port
[02:34:31] <Swapper> yea proly the best but its quite "realtime" for a USB connection
[02:34:38] <Swapper> so it supports it
[02:34:50] <Swapper> but better to use for noncritical stuff
[02:35:05] <Swapper> like you said, coolant, air, and such
[02:36:24] <Crom_> https://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/2013/12/25/hal2arduino-0-5-released/
[02:37:32] <Crom_> hehe Tweet whan complete
[02:38:16] <Swapper> even support Quadrature encoders for precise position control.
[02:38:35] <Swapper> think im going to build my feed-override pendant on that
[02:38:48] <Crom_> for me it would be sms msg then ripple the led buttons on the front of the case
[02:39:34] <Crom_> gotta find the linuxcnc x y output that I can grab with a script and update the LED screen on the case
[02:41:47] <Crom_> hmm 20x2, I could do X,Y,Z,A 6 chars 5 digits 1 decimal place
[02:42:45] <Crom_> X 1.23456 Y 2.34567
[02:43:02] <Crom_> hmm 20x2, I could do X,Y,Z,A 7 chars 6 digits 1 decimal place
[02:44:16] <Crom_> X 10.3456 Y-14.4567
[02:49:43] <Crom_> linuxcncrsh wooo nice
[04:38:17] <miss0r> Hello guys. I am looking for a ballnut with an outside trapezodial threading to fit into an existing mill. I have seen a picture of it somewhere, but I have no idea what it is called or where to look, do you guys have an idea?
[04:39:41] <SpeedEvil> you mean it fits in an inside thread?
[04:40:35] <miss0r> well, the end of it does.
[04:41:11] <miss0r> looks like this: only with trapezoidal thread on the outsude and a ballnut on the inside:
http://img.weiku.com/a/003/426/High_precision_stainless_steel_Trapezoidal_screw_5342_1.jpg
[04:43:53] <SpeedEvil> That sounds custom, and reassuringly expensive.
[04:44:06] <miss0r> like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ballscrew-Ballnut-Thread-Dia-25mm-Pitch-5mm-Hiwin-/181157033635?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a2dccf6a3 only with trapezodial thread on the outside
[04:44:36] <miss0r> perhaps it is. It would just make my life easyer :)
[04:44:59] <SpeedEvil> i don't uppose there is enough thickness that you can sleeve an existing ballnut and thread the sleeve?
[04:45:55] <miss0r> I have look at that, I am going to be going danger close to moving parts then :)
[04:47:56] <miss0r> i'll probally end up doing the some machining to make it fit, but it would just be lovely with a bolt-on job for once
[05:57:31] <jthornton> logger[mah], log
[05:57:31] <logger[mah]> jthornton: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2015-02-13.html
[07:58:26] <_methods> anyone know when intel is supposed to release the quad core 5th gen mobile processors?
[08:04:00] <_methods> damn only thing i can find is a press picture that says mid2015
[08:06:22] <XXCoder> hm
http://www.zapandgocharger.com/
[08:06:30] <XXCoder> wonder how realistic this is
[08:07:11] <_methods> didn't that guy get in big trouble for lying about that?
[08:07:52] <SpeedEvil> huge and stupid
[08:09:31] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I misread
[08:10:05] <XXCoder> from what I read on intengo, few didnt get any product
[08:10:17] <XXCoder> unknown on people who didnt post
[08:10:48] <SpeedEvil> Note that it will only charge at the normal rate the device
[08:10:55] <SpeedEvil> even if it takes 5m to laod that charge
[08:10:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:11:12] <cpresser> can somebody point to to the hal-value for the soft-limits?
[08:11:23] <XXCoder> its not bad though, charge 5 min at say reserant and keep charging phone while long drive
[08:11:30] <XXCoder> but then car has cig charger
[08:11:43] <cpresser> or tell me how i could build a soft-limit feature which can be configured during runtime?
[08:12:10] <XXCoder> benefits show up at wildress trips, but then theres battery or solar
[08:12:16] <XXCoder> I has solar charger its pretty cool
[08:12:28] <XXCoder> no battery
[08:13:08] <XXCoder> oops gonna run, work
[08:45:09] * JT-Shop has so many projects in the works I don't know which one to do :(
[08:45:57] <malcom2073> Heh
[08:46:24] <malcom2073> You know it's bad when you have many projects, you wind up spending your free time thinking about which project to do, and not actually doing any of them
[08:46:47] <archivist> have I got all the parts to start project X, no, rinse repeat
[08:47:14] <_methods> heheh
[08:47:24] <_methods> i keep all mine in plastic see through bins
[08:47:39] <_methods> that way i can cycle through them and see how much i have not achieved
[08:48:11] <archivist> projects by their nature cannot fit in sensible sized bins :)
[08:48:31] <_methods> my little projects
[08:48:38] <_methods> electronic projects
[08:49:10] <_methods> obviously full scaled projects are mocking me at full scale all the time
[08:49:33] <_methods> unbinned for the world to see
[08:49:43] <_methods> and my wife to yell at me about
[08:50:03] <archivist> insufficient funds error at project start
[08:50:10] <_methods> that's a common issue
[08:50:15] <_methods> or chinese time
[08:50:27] <malcom2073> Go the govt. route. Start the project on a slim budget
[08:50:36] <malcom2073> then expand from there, taking a little at a time
[08:50:48] <_methods> it's good though sometimes because it gives me time to solve the stuff i didn't figure out before i got the parts i needed lol
[08:51:12] <JT-Shop> project #1 get a fire going... done
[08:51:32] <_methods> meh off i go, damn work
[08:51:48] <malcom2073> I was going to work today.
[08:51:54] <malcom2073> But then I had a server failure at home :(
[08:51:55] <archivist> sit by fire ruminate and drink beer till nap time
[08:53:15] <cpresser> is it possible to initialize motion.analog-out-00 during startup?
[09:26:16] <FinboySlick> archivist: I like the direction this project is taking. I shall invest a bag of marshmallow.
[09:32:19] <archivist> :)
[09:32:44] <archivist> I have not had marshmallow for ages
[09:39:04] <FinboySlick> They're essential for Rice Crispy squares.
[09:39:22] <FinboySlick> And some would argue, hot chocolate too.
[09:41:24] <pcw_home> cpresser: I Haven't tried but it may be possible to set the soft limits as long as Linuxcnc not running G code (via the ini pins)
[09:43:54] <pcw_home> for example: setp ini.0.min_limit -45
[10:12:50] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/hvo/4889808751.html
[10:15:01] <archivist> that husband needs to put his foot down!
[10:17:21] <FinboySlick> What kind of lathe is that btw?
[10:18:05] <Jymmm> Heh, the lift strap is still on it =)
[10:21:02] <archivist> could it be a leblond?
[10:22:09] <FinboySlick> Is the cross-slide really that wide? Seems like it wouldn't allow for much travel.
[10:26:07] <archivist> in style it is close to a monarch
[10:29:27] <tjb1> JT-Shop: you cant use 12v fan
[10:29:49] <JT-Shop> lol, I wonder why they put that in the kit?
[10:30:14] <tjb1> which kit?
[10:30:35] <JT-Shop> http://www.reprapdiscount.com/home/29-ramps-14-ultimate-power-kit-1-wiring-set-capable-of-24v.html
[10:30:54] <JT-Shop> I did get the heat sinks on...
[10:31:04] <tjb1> well it is 12v capable so I dunno
[10:31:17] <tjb1> You can run dual power supplies or just get 24v fans
[10:34:06] <archivist> jdh, have you fetched it yet :)
[10:50:14] <__rob> anyone used the inventor HSM Face stuff ?
[10:50:23] <__rob> to taking a layer off the stock
[10:50:29] <__rob> for some reason the gcode is up in the air
[10:50:35] <__rob> so its not facing anything
[10:51:05] <__rob> http://codepad.org/rfeZpi6r
[10:51:08] <__rob> thats the Gcode
[10:52:00] <archivist> did you touch off properly
[10:53:45] <__rob> how do you mean ?
[10:53:50] <__rob> I zeroed on the top of the stock for z
[11:08:42] <tjtr33> PCW, you suggested plotting half functions. is that using hal scope, gnuplot, latency-plot or what? could you show an example. thx
[11:09:05] <tjtr33> hal functions :) haha
[11:10:21] <pcw_home> halscope
[11:11:13] <skunkworks> tjtr33, did you get a decent system runnig -rt?
[11:12:16] <tjtr33> 11652 nS overnite
[11:12:51] <tjtr33> skunkworks, have you plotted hal functions? some plot with nS rez? ( so not hal scope etc )
[11:13:18] <skunkworks> that was rtai?
[11:13:20] <tjtr33> oh and rtai, no luck with rt-preempt, sorry
[11:13:26] <skunkworks> ok
[11:15:06] <tjtr33> pcw_home, with halscope, ok, didnt think it'd show any nS, cuz granularity = thread rate, will try thx
[11:15:39] <pcw_home> all functions keep track of the CPU cycles they use
[11:15:52] <pcw_home> (so number is in CPU clocks)
[11:16:23] <pcw_home> so granularity is typically sub nS
[11:16:35] <tjtr33> wow, thats cool, thx, yeah it'd be < nS
[11:22:45] <pcw_home> example:
http://ibin.co/1rX3Z8mW9pvk
[11:26:41] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R3OrOKwnJQ Cooool..
[11:28:01] <skunkworks> I know andy has a wahlhaupter - they look neat - he has used it for some odd things :)
[11:28:34] <PetefromTn_> I can see a LOT of uses for that in my shop LOL... I need to get a decent boring head anyway here for the Cinci..
[11:28:59] <tjtr33> pcw_home, thanks for the pic
[11:29:03] <PetefromTn_> damn things are unbelievably expensive
[11:30:21] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4fTythQj5s
[11:30:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah man that's dead sexy...LOL
[11:31:52] <skunkworks> he had a video where he bored a taper with spindle synced motion - can't find it
[11:31:57] <PetefromTn_> I must say Andy has got some SKILLS!
[11:33:01] <PetefromTn_> I hate milling cast iron tho.. nasty shit.
[11:33:21] <archivist> cast is wonderful!
[11:33:40] <PetefromTn_> wonderfully nasty and dirty gritty you mean...
[11:34:13] <archivist> nah shiny
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pendulum+cast
[11:34:30] <archivist> centrifugally cast though
[11:34:49] <roycroft> cast iron is so soft and lustery
[11:36:42] <Connor> So, You hold the center part of the head and it automatically extends out?
[11:37:07] <PetefromTn_> we had to machine a TON of cast iron plates at the last shop I worked in for a short time and talk about a nasty mess to clean up after...
[11:37:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah basically
[11:37:45] <PetefromTn_> pretty kick ass things you can do with it...
[11:38:26] <PetefromTn_> sure beats the allen wrench dance for creeping up on a tight bore dimension I would think.
[11:38:37] <Connor> no joke.
[11:39:23] <PetefromTn_> altho I did get some new ball end allen wrenches so I am looking for excuses to use em now hehe
[11:40:17] <PetefromTn_> theres a guy selling one like that on a facebook tool sale page and I am not sure it operates the same way but it is NTMB40 unfortunately
[11:41:26] <Connor> can it not be changed out ?
[11:42:36] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[11:43:04] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda watching to see what he gets offered for it. Probably will go higher than I want/can afford anyways LOL
[11:55:07] <skunkworks> ah - because it wasn't a video
https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5901688686374813281/5931740519697935986?pid=5931740519697935986&oid=108164504656404380542
[11:55:26] <skunkworks> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5901688686374813281/5931801741237964866?pid=5931801741237964866&oid=108164504656404380542
[11:56:07] <PetefromTn_> hehe I like that tool presetter fixture..
[11:56:24] <tjtr33> pcw_home, the vertical is cpu cycles and the horz is time ?
http://ibin.co/1rXDa8t1JZBt
[11:56:26] <skunkworks> it doubles as a ball screw support
[11:56:34] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[11:57:10] <PetefromTn_> wait did he make that or did the machine come that way?
[11:57:19] <skunkworks> I think he made it
[11:57:27] <PetefromTn_> wow
[11:57:38] <PetefromTn_> It looks cast and like it came on the machine
[11:57:46] <ben5446> does anyone here know how to make custom M-Codes? I've found about 3 different ways to do it from a Google search but none of them work. Can a custom M-code be used to run a G-code subroutine?
[11:57:50] <PetefromTn_> unless it is just that little part he added at the top
[11:57:50] <skunkworks> I think he has a local company that will cast 1 off's for him
[11:58:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez he is a resourceful fellow isn't he LOL
[11:58:21] <pcw_home> tjtr33 yep
[11:58:26] <tjtr33> thx!
[12:00:09] <tjtr33> the boring heads are nice, but note that it can make a bridgeport walk across the shop ( not built for imbalanced load )
[12:00:26] <PetefromTn_> sure
[12:00:47] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnt2DIcrWYk neato..
[12:03:10] <skunkworks> ben5446, I think you would have to do a re-map..
[12:04:26] <tjtr33> ben5446, yeah i agree, you can make any executable file an M1xx but i dunno how to make an executable Gcode file
[12:04:42] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/remap/structure.html
[12:05:19] <ben5446> i've tried the remap command. ive come close. it does not give me an unknown mcode command error anymore. but the M-code doesnt do anything.
[12:06:28] <ben5446> i guess since my M-code contains a G-code subroutine is why it does nothing
[12:08:54] <ben5446> its just that the example in section 3.3.1 here shows a G-code subroutine:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/structure.html#_remappable_codes_a_id_sec_remap_remappable_codes_a
[12:11:39] <skunkworks> So what is in your ngc file?
[12:12:27] <ben5446> o<M115> sub
[12:12:27] <ben5446> (debug, TEST WORKS)
[12:12:27] <ben5446> o<M115> endsub
[12:12:27] <ben5446> m2
[12:13:40] <skunkworks> I don't think you can use M115
[12:14:06] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/remap/structure.html#_currently_unallocated_m_codes_a_id_remap_unallocated_m_codes_a
[12:14:41] <skunkworks> a bunch up to M99 then skips to M199 to M999
[12:17:54] <ben5446> I went and changed everything to M15 and restarted linuxcnc, rehomed and ran M15 in MDI. Now I get an unknown M code used error.
[12:20:38] <skunkworks> what version of linuxcnc are you using?
[12:22:14] <ben5446> 2.5.4
[12:23:01] <skunkworks> remapping was implimented in 2.6....
[12:23:30] <ben5446> ahhh. ok then I guess I'm going to upgrade now. Thanks
[12:23:58] <JT-Shop> seems to be a lot of foo in the remap docs...
[12:35:10] <PetefromTn_> foo?
[12:38:33] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/structure.html#_readahead_time_and_execution_time
[12:39:21] <jthornton> PetefromTn_, ^^
[12:48:38] <PetefromTn_> Jeez do I ever hate the cold weather...
[12:52:01] <jdh> me too
[12:54:27] <Crom_> morn all
[13:11:59] <zeeshan> anyone heard of a 'ready to plot gerber data'
[13:12:08] <zeeshan> like 274-x, 274-d, dpf, f9000/mda
[13:15:56] <Crom_> laser photo plot ala
https://www.nanofab.utah.edu/uploads/pdfs/PhotoplotStorePricing.pdf ?
[13:17:08] <zeeshan> yea
[13:17:21] <Crom_> hymmm conversion using
http://www.artwork.com/polygon/gerber/faq/xgbrvu_274d_274x.htm
[13:19:02] <Crom_> well looks like there is utils to convert SVG to gbr
[13:23:42] <Crom_> inkscape 0.48 doesn't do gbr
[13:25:21] <Rab> zeeshan, it's used for PCB artwork.
[13:25:30] <zeeshan> oh
[13:27:54] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: You going to redo all your machine handles now?
[13:28:48] <ben5446> skunkworks, thanks again. I upgraded to version 2.6.5 and now M-code remapping works just fine.
[13:29:01] <skunkworks> Great!
[13:29:50] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick Well since there will basically NOT BE ANY I kinda doubt it LOL..
[13:30:28] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Fully commited to CNC?
[13:30:33] <PetefromTn_> there is a big ball handle on the tailstock lock lever but that is already nice and round and almost polished...
[13:30:38] <PetefromTn_> Of course
[13:30:48] <PetefromTn_> is there anything else LOL?
[13:31:16] <PetefromTn_> actually that is one of the things I like about this lathe as it is KINDA somewhere between a manual and a CNC lathe.
[13:31:29] <FinboySlick> Hmmm, you could engrave symbols on half-inch balls and replace the keys of your keyboard.
[13:31:48] <PetefromTn_> the layout is basically the same as the 12x36 I used to have only much bigger...
[13:32:10] <PetefromTn_> so a lot of the stuff I used to do I will still be able to do only with CNC precision and control.
[13:32:58] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: When the video started I was sort of thinking that he should have made steps with that parting tools to rough the ball.
[13:33:04] <PetefromTn_> I have done some barrel work and driveshaft parts before on the old lathe and after I build some steady rest with ball bearing carriers I should be able to do that again on even longer parts..
[13:33:25] <PetefromTn_> I have a couple shop built ball turning jigs here I made years ago
[13:33:37] <PetefromTn_> but I had not seen anyone do it with a boring head like that before
[13:33:45] <PetefromTn_> which is nice for its micro adjustability
[13:34:18] <PetefromTn_> I usually just roughed it with the larger ball turning tool and then switched to the smaller yoke one I have and finished it.
[13:34:35] <PetefromTn_> but yeah he could have saved a little time with some roughing
[13:35:21] <zeeshan> cnc ftw!
[13:35:28] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[13:35:46] <PetefromTn_> that ball would go a lot quicker and smoother with a CNC lathe huh...
[13:36:00] <zeeshan> all that fancy fixturing would be eliminated!
[13:36:01] <zeeshan> :P
[13:36:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah pretty much I can't wait...
[13:36:55] <Connor> zeeshan: Whas size is your lathe?
[13:37:05] <zeeshan> 12x36
[13:40:33] <Connor> Hmm.. Just found a 9x20 Central Machinery for $500.00 in Simpsonville.. Wherever that is...
[13:41:53] <Tom_itx> Connor got the spindle pwm goin last night
[13:42:01] <Connor> Tom_itx: Nice!
[13:42:15] <zeeshan> both directions? :D
[13:42:29] <Tom_itx> waiting on a relay
[13:42:42] <Tom_itx> unless i can find the box i have one in
[13:43:22] <Crom_> mines a 10x44 1945 Sheldon 34" usable bed
[13:44:04] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna wire up the encoder this pm and see how close it follows the rpm
[13:44:18] <PetefromTn_> 14.5x40 FTW!!
[13:44:20] <Tom_itx> i may fiddle with PID a bit just to learn about it
[13:44:46] <Tom_itx> i've done PID but not with lcnc..
[13:44:47] <Crom_> Tom_itx, 12v relay in the car a bosch style will work?
[13:44:54] <Tom_itx> nope
[13:44:58] <Tom_itx> need 5v coil
[13:45:13] <PetefromTn_> just drew a bit more on the five axis stop I am needing to make only to find out I don't have a big enough hunk of 6061 to make it from LOL...
[13:45:18] <Tom_itx> this is a tiny relay just to trip a circuit
[13:45:39] <Tom_itx> if i knew for sure it wasn't riding above GND i'd use a mosfet
[13:45:46] <Tom_itx> but i think it is
[13:46:11] <bobo_> zeeshan: saw that Mikron has office in US --- Mikron Corp. Monroe 200 Main Street P.O. Box 268 Monroe, CT 06468 / USA Phone +1 203 261 31 00 Fax +1 203 268 47 52 mmo@mikron.com
[13:46:21] <zeeshan> bobo_: they are useless
[13:46:22] <Tom_itx> picked up some din rail fuse mounts today
[13:46:32] <Tom_itx> and a few other odds n ends ..
[13:48:06] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan LOL I am so pleased you got the machine working despite not getting much help from those guys..
[13:48:25] <Tom_itx> git r dun
[13:49:11] <zeeshan> :)
[13:49:22] <zeeshan> i'd like to finish wiring up the spindle encoder
[13:49:33] <zeeshan> and get this drawbar working properly
[13:49:41] <zeeshan> and it'd be really nice to get the gear box selector working
[13:49:55] <zeeshan> but they can all be done side by side while i can use the damn machine
[13:50:19] <Tom_itx> i think i'm gonna pull the spindle on mine so i can fiddle with it on the bench
[13:50:37] <Tom_itx> get the encoder etc all working good
[13:50:43] <bobo_> might be in compition with me . saw a mikron being used , background shot only , at a very high $ watch mfg. video
[13:52:09] <bobo_> high $ as in approx 10/year watches
[13:53:39] <zeeshan> did you see my gheto encoder
[13:53:41] <zeeshan> =D
[13:54:17] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7290/16509907671_50873acd1c_h.jpg
[13:54:26] <bobo_> did not look very getto to me
[13:54:27] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i wish you could remember that material
[13:54:36] <zeeshan> it's ghetto to me
[13:54:42] <zeeshan> cause its not enclosed like fancy encoders
[13:55:04] <PetefromTn_> what material?
[13:55:05] <bobo_> gold plate it then
[13:55:06] <zeeshan> i need to replace that material
[13:55:08] <zeeshan> the black one
[13:55:13] <zeeshan> with a wider and longer piece
[13:55:16] <Crom_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N77WZPadGdo
[13:55:19] <zeeshan> it keeps falling into the ball screw hole
[13:55:21] <zeeshan> and wrapping up
[13:55:25] <zeeshan> annoying as hell
[13:55:29] <Crom_> mounting raspberry pi mounts
[13:56:13] <PetefromTn_> OH yeah hang on lemme look at the remainder of the stuff I have here..
[13:56:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[13:56:34] <zeeshan> does it look similar to this material?
[13:56:42] <zeeshan> its like almost cloth material
[13:56:47] <zeeshan> thats been dipped in plastic
[13:56:57] <zeeshan> like tarp
[13:57:03] <zeeshan> but not as hard tarp
[13:59:06] <bobo_> zeeshan that is at rear of mach. -----take it off for now ,but cover those 3 holes in the control box
[13:59:37] <zeeshan> bobo_: thanks for remdining me
[13:59:39] <zeeshan> i need to do that
[13:59:50] <Tom_itx> looks like neoprene coated nylon mesh
[13:59:50] <PetefromTn_> the stuff I used is like the stuff they put on stairs in commercial buildings
[14:00:05] <PetefromTn_> it is black ribbed rubbery plastic sheet
[14:00:13] <PetefromTn_> it comes in 27 inch wide widths
[14:00:15] <PetefromTn_> in a roll
[14:00:22] <Tom_itx> oh i know what that is
[14:00:27] <zeeshan> i think i know what youre talking about
[14:00:31] <PetefromTn_> it is really durable shit...
[14:00:34] <zeeshan> http://www.americanfloormats.com/content/product/large/Corrugated%20Vinyl%20Runner%20Mat%20closeup%20600.JPG
[14:00:47] <Tom_itx> get a roll of neoprene
[14:00:55] <bobo_> fabric how about semi truck trailer tarp material
[14:00:59] <Tom_itx> i have some 1/6" stuff i use for all sorts of things
[14:01:00] <zeeshan> from where tom
[14:01:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is something like that.. lemme snap a picture...
[14:01:13] <Tom_itx> zeeshan from my local supply :)
[14:01:28] <zeeshan> http://photo.via-mobilis.com/34/4/181627-tractor_trailer-bed_with_tarp_covered_sides.jpg
[14:01:31] <Tom_itx> rubber belt & hose supply
[14:01:33] <zeeshan> ha, bobo that might work.
[14:01:48] <_methods> http://3dprint.com/44405/fabrisonic-am-milling-process
[14:02:14] <Tom_itx> yeah find one of those that's ripped, maybe they'd just give it to ya
[14:02:30] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/O3lAfon.jpg
[14:02:32] <zeeshan> free would be nice
[14:02:39] <zeeshan> oh yes PetefromTn_
[14:02:42] <PetefromTn_> that is the stuff I used
[14:02:43] <zeeshan> i think thats in the carpet section
[14:02:53] <PetefromTn_> I would give it to you but I am not sure how long it is..
[14:02:58] <PetefromTn_> or how much you need.
[14:03:00] <zeeshan> i think i have some in the basement
[14:03:02] <zeeshan> im using as carpet
[14:03:02] <zeeshan> rofl
[14:03:09] <Tom_itx> http://www.rubbersheetroll.com/nitrile-rubber-cloth-inserted.htm
[14:03:16] <PetefromTn_> well I think it is used to cover carpet in high traffic areas too..
[14:03:35] <zeeshan> is it flexible enough in the cold?
[14:03:40] <zeeshan> or does it harden up
[14:03:41] <PetefromTn_> it is pretty cheap tho.
[14:03:55] <PetefromTn_> well since it is kinda rubbery it does get stiffer in the cold
[14:04:12] <_methods> that's what she said
[14:04:12] <zeeshan> ill just explain what im trying to do
[14:04:14] <PetefromTn_> but on the RF45 the Z axis was vertical of course so it just hung down from there..
[14:04:16] <zeeshan> one cover is the one i showed you
[14:04:21] <zeeshan> anyother cover is th accordian style cover
[14:04:29] <zeeshan> it used to have metal blades on it
[14:04:41] <zeeshan> which deflected chips, but they fell off cause they were glued on
[14:04:57] <bobo_> send it to ssi
[14:05:12] <zeeshan> http://www.maschinensucher.de/ma2/bilder/Mikron-WF-12-C/1071623-2.jpg
[14:05:15] <PetefromTn_> _methods LOL
[14:05:21] <zeeshan> you can kinda see the black accordian cover behind the metal deflectors
[14:05:32] <_methods> hehe
[14:05:47] <zeeshan> so i was hoping to attach a plastic sheet in front of them
[14:05:49] <zeeshan> to do the same thing
[14:05:55] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I have a photo somewhere of the RF45 with that cover on it..
[14:06:14] <PetefromTn_> I gotta go get my kids from school. BRB..
[14:06:43] <PetefromTn_> all I can tell you is this stuff is really good and durable and easy to clean chips off of it...
[14:06:57] <PetefromTn_> hot chips hardly even affected it really..
[14:07:01] <marmite> good luck
[14:08:21] <bobo_> do you still have the stainless blades/deflectors ?
[14:10:22] <zeeshan> i do
[14:10:23] <zeeshan> some of them
[14:10:39] <zeeshan> not all
[14:11:09] <_methods> hackaday..........wtf
[14:11:12] <_methods> http://hackaday.com/2015/02/13/ask-hackaday-are-conductive-inks-going-to-make-it/
[14:11:30] <_methods> it's like they think these 3d printer retards recently invented conductive ink
[14:11:55] <Tom_itx> heh
[14:12:05] <bobo_> the one's on the maho look fragle
[14:12:09] <zeeshan> http://www.resale.info/info-off-e.php?item=2658547&beginn=&seite=1&search=mikron&such=1&searchgroupid=&tldsearch=&order=6&auk=&gruppe=&yellow=&machine=%20MIKRON%20&make=&PHPSESSID=ev40m520r505i4budo7thm6js1
[14:12:11] <zeeshan> guess what i found
[14:12:11] <zeeshan> lol
[14:12:13] <zeeshan> searching for way covers
[14:12:38] <CaptHindsight> they always act like they are the first to do anything
[14:12:46] <_methods> it's mind boggling
[14:13:09] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight it makes it worth alot more too
[14:13:37] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if they will get any patent suit action after they raise enough
[14:14:32] <Tom_itx> well most of them are using SD illegally
[14:14:53] <Tom_itx> that's about a $3k license
[14:15:28] <_methods> you can tell all the brainpower left hackaday
[14:15:32] <CaptHindsight> http://hackaday.io/mike Mike Szczys Managing Editor of Hackaday.com, Orchestra Musician, uC Enthusiast Madison, WI
[14:16:21] <_methods> case closed lol
[14:16:32] <CaptHindsight> it's funny I've gone to some of the hackerspaces to listen to some of them speak on topics
[14:17:10] <_methods> i'm pretty sure anyone that had any brains from hackaday went to dangerousprototypes
[14:17:13] <CaptHindsight> when you try to inform them of something they treat it like if they don't know about it than it can't be real
[14:17:44] <bobo_> zeeshan that must be the last remaning mother load for parts ! how soon is your flight leaving ?
[14:18:26] <CaptHindsight> you can't help them since they are the experts
[14:18:49] <Tom_itx> at what?
[14:18:56] <_methods> hahahah
[14:18:59] <_methods> everything man
[14:19:05] <_methods> just ask one of them
[14:19:05] <CaptHindsight> whatever they have decided
[14:19:09] <Tom_itx> pumping sunshine where it isn't?
[14:19:58] <FinboySlick> Sunshine pumper... It's got a nice derogatory ring to it.
[14:21:40] <CaptHindsight> did they list the price of their silver ink anywhere?
[14:25:18] <CaptHindsight> 200cm^2 of solid fill per cartridge at what height? They don't mention the volume anywhere.
[14:27:07] <CaptHindsight> I should launch a better one that delivers way before Sept
[14:28:23] <_methods> heheh
[14:28:34] <_methods> bust their conductive ink bubble
[14:28:42] <_methods> sorry man this stuff was around before you
[14:32:57] <PetefromTn_> sometimes I think several folks here should collaborate on a product idea and make it probably would make millions LOL...
[14:33:43] <CaptHindsight> I'm working on the laptops now
[14:33:55] <PetefromTn_> looking at some of the bullshit products and parts ideas hosted on these sights it is almost laughable yet these jokers are making MONEY!
[14:33:56] <CaptHindsight> maybe some new printers next
[14:34:17] <CaptHindsight> but it's a patent minefield
[14:35:01] <PetefromTn_> I am always trying to come up with new ideas for parts/products I can machine and sell. It is difficult
[14:35:41] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Hehe, if you offer free shipping, you could mill me a new base and column ;)
[14:35:44] <CaptHindsight> I think most of us don't want to be associated with crap
[14:35:57] <Crom_> PetefromTn_, inexpensive touch probe
[14:36:02] <PetefromTn_> well that is exactly my point
[14:36:07] <CaptHindsight> those project members either don't realize what crap it is or don't care
[14:36:18] <PetefromTn_> I think the people here have the knowledge and skills to make GOOD parts and products
[14:36:55] <PetefromTn_> Crom_ There are already quite a few inexpensive touch probes available..
[14:36:59] <_methods> i'm too busy making my own stuff to make stuff for other people lol
[14:37:09] <Crom_> < $30 ?
[14:37:21] <PetefromTn_> seriously?
[14:37:31] <Crom_> with a 3mm shank
[14:38:02] <PetefromTn_> I can't even afford to turn the machine on for a $30.00 part unless there are gonna be hundreds of them
[14:38:52] <PetefromTn_> I don't need to make a killing by any stretch of the imagination
[14:39:13] <_methods> find something you like and make it better, then sell on amazon
[14:39:17] <PetefromTn_> _methods do you own the shop you work in?
[14:39:24] <_methods> nah i'm a slave
[14:39:30] <PetefromTn_> ok
[14:39:43] <_methods> i'm a relatively free slave though lol
[14:40:01] <_methods> office slave heheh
[14:40:13] <PetefromTn_> I have several products I sell that I designed myself I sell on ebay but they are for a somewhat slim market
[14:40:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150212-uk-engineers-successfully-3d-print-graphene-structures.html
[14:40:27] <PetefromTn_> so I only get orders occasionally..
[14:40:44] <_methods> do you make any money off the ebay stuff?
[14:41:06] <_methods> they need to hurry up and print a damn space elevator
[14:41:15] <PetefromTn_> sure when I get sales...
[14:41:28] <PetefromTn_> nothing to write home about
[14:41:59] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I'm working on the music for that right now :)
[14:42:04] <PetefromTn_> I need some kind of product that is for a more wide audience so I am not making just ten or twenty but hundreds of somehting....
[14:42:06] <_methods> hehe
[14:42:31] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/QuadHands-Armed-Helping-Soldering-Station/dp/B00GIKVP5K/ref=sr_1_7
[14:42:42] <Crom_> I think the touch probe price point for makerspace/ high school cnc labs is $<30
[14:42:45] <_methods> we make the bases for this guy's product
[14:43:00] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah?
[14:43:02] <_methods> we make like 200 a month for him
[14:43:11] <_methods> at $50 a pop lol
[14:43:29] <CaptHindsight> "This elevator stops at all floors from 1,500,000 to 3,000,000"
[14:43:29] <PetefromTn_> apparently not $50.00
[14:43:40] <PetefromTn_> unless he just likes giving them away
[14:43:49] <_methods> no he sells them at $50
[14:43:58] <_methods> we sell him the base probably for like $2 lol
[14:44:09] <PetefromTn_> thats cheap
[14:44:18] <_methods> probably more like $5
[14:44:19] <PetefromTn_> is it laser cut or something
[14:44:22] <_methods> yeah
[14:44:24] <_methods> 1/4"
[14:44:27] <PetefromTn_> nice
[14:44:27] <_methods> steel
[14:44:33] <_methods> then powder coated
[14:44:46] <_methods> he buys the powder coat so he can get whatever color he wants to sell
[14:45:15] <CaptHindsight> where do you guys buy your powders for coating?
[14:45:29] <_methods> i have no idea
[14:45:36] <_methods> our powder coater handles all that
[14:45:47] <_methods> chroma-something maybe?
[14:46:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tccoatings.com/ make just about everything
[14:46:49] <CaptHindsight> http://prismaticpowders.com/ same for
[14:46:59] <_methods> ahh i think that's who he gets it from
[14:47:02] <_methods> prismatic
[14:53:40] <bobo_> zeeshan : "get the gear box selector working" ? sounds great to me . way more cool factor than just a vfd drive. also sounds --best of both worlds
[14:54:05] <zeeshan> i need some help with it
[14:54:11] <zeeshan> because i dont know what positions are "engaged"
[14:56:13] <bobo_> I don't know , but guess it is same as deckel -- maho --etc
[14:57:36] <bobo_> and they use a 2 speed motor
[14:57:51] <zeeshan> yea
[14:58:00] <zeeshan> but this one is 21 speds
[14:58:05] <zeeshan> i dont know if thats the same as maho and deckel
[14:59:29] <bobo_> 21 devided by 2 dosent work
[15:00:01] <PetefromTn_> 21 speeds? what is the max RPM?
[15:02:01] <zeeshan> 2150
[15:02:03] <zeeshan> 3150
[15:02:39] <PetefromTn_> why the hell do you need 21 speeds to get to 3150 RPM?
[15:02:54] <zeeshan> best possible torque
[15:03:05] <zeeshan> keeping motor rpm at peak torque
[15:03:10] <PCW> you should fix the gearbox encoder board, can't be that hard
[15:03:11] <PetefromTn_> I guess.. must be a monster then
[15:04:16] <zeeshan> PCW: i don't know where the wires go
[15:19:45] <Jymmm> zeeshan: lick em
[15:20:05] <bobo_> zeeshan:
http://www.tritarp.com/tarps.htm these people just buy material elsewhare , even their best material wouldn't do well with hot chips hence metal slats needed
[15:20:17] <CaptHindsight> dumb and dumber
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150206-katy-perry-lawyers-demand-removal-of-3d-printable-left-shark-from-shapeways.html
[15:20:50] <zeeshan> did you hear about the taylor swift IP bullshit?
[15:20:52] <zeeshan> bobo_: yea
[15:21:07] <CaptHindsight> no what was it over?
[15:21:39] <zeeshan> http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6465331/taylor-swift-trademark-phrases-this-sick-beat-1989
[15:22:09] <zeeshan> shes got those lines trademarked rofl
[15:22:14] <zeeshan> THIS SICK BEAT
[15:22:43] <Rab> The most tragic part is that her beat isn't particularly sick.
[15:23:09] <CaptHindsight> good, anyone that actually uses that phrase in conversation should be beaten
[15:23:31] <zeeshan> even shake it off?
[15:24:33] <Rab> zeeshan, being sick of beat doesn't confer sickness of beat!
[15:24:40] <zeeshan> lol
[15:24:48] <zeeshan> Rab: just shake it off man.
[15:27:47] <CaptHindsight> just think how the world would be different if bands since the Beatles started trademarking their song lyrics
[15:27:47] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cknhoiggmrt64g0/speed%20selector.pdf?dl=0
[15:27:56] <zeeshan> so who wants to intrepret this diagram with me? ;-)
[15:28:17] <zeeshan> those are pnp transitors
[15:29:59] <zeeshan> to me it looks like pin 5 requires 24VDC
[15:31:27] <zeeshan> where is ground? :)
[15:31:45] <zeeshan> pin 8 or 9
[15:33:51] <CaptHindsight> pin5 goes to a voltage regulator and also ....
[15:34:25] <CaptHindsight> pin 13 of U1, are you sure that diagram is correct?
[15:34:39] <zeeshan> i did my best to follow traces
[15:35:20] <zeeshan> u1 chip my not be exacly correct
[15:35:24] <zeeshan> *might
[15:35:29] <zeeshan> i had a hard time finding a datasheet forit
[15:40:14] <bobo_> didnt you jest get a Cap checker ? use it to check ckt. bd. traces ?
[15:40:22] <zeeshan> looks like pin1,2,3,4,7
[15:40:29] <zeeshan> need to go to directly 7i77 inputs
[15:40:33] <CaptHindsight> never let a ME draw a schematic
[15:40:45] <zeeshan> they are pull down
[15:40:52] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i drew it like the traces on the pcb
[15:40:56] <zeeshan> :)
[15:41:02] <CaptHindsight> yes, i know
[15:41:04] <zeeshan> i mean component placement
[15:41:16] <CaptHindsight> it's just difficult to read
[15:41:24] <zeeshan> well i have a diptrace file
[15:41:27] <zeeshan> its a lot easier to follow traces
[15:41:32] <zeeshan> cause if you highlight for example a trace
[15:41:36] <zeeshan> it'll show all the relevant stuff
[15:41:54] <zeeshan> like if i highlight the out from the vreg
[15:42:03] <zeeshan> all the lines going to the hall switches light up
[15:45:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.orangepi.org/orangepiplus/en.html another board to try hm2_eth on someday
[15:46:39] <_methods> wow that thing is loaded down
[15:47:19] <_methods> ir recvr too
[15:48:08] <_methods> sata
[15:48:45] <_methods> does the rpi b+ have all that too?
[15:48:54] <_methods> $59
[15:48:56] <CaptHindsight> nope
[15:49:13] <CaptHindsight> it also has wifi
[15:49:17] <_methods> yeah
[15:49:27] <_methods> sata, wifi, ir, usb hub
[15:50:34] <CaptHindsight> 8GB of eMMC flash
[15:51:05] <_methods> yeah that's quite the little board right there
[15:53:14] <anarchos2> someone should make a board like that with the same fpgas that mesa use
[15:54:38] <CaptHindsight> it would make controllers a bit smaller for 3 axis machines
[15:55:01] <Swapper> Would be cool with a mesa "cape" :)
[15:55:10] <anarchos2> yes, that's the answer
[15:55:22] <anarchos2> someone call up mesa and suggest that, they'd sell a bajillion of them
[15:55:34] <Swapper> PCW: ? :)
[15:55:44] <Tom_itx> pretty bad when the plugs take more room than the silicon
[15:55:51] <Swapper> They are on IRC no need to call them, :)
[15:56:43] <Tom_itx> and probably cost more as well
[15:56:55] <CaptHindsight> looks like the *duino form factor and the Rpi have become standard, so you could just make a new ARM SOC + FPGA board every year or put the FPGA on a daughter IO (cape, shield, sarape, pashmina, etc) card
[15:57:47] <anarchos2> i would love and all in one arm+fpga w/ a parallel port
[15:58:21] <anarchos2> i'd pay a premium (versus say what a 6i25+arm board would cost) just for the convience factor
[15:58:32] <Tom_itx> that's like putting a ferarri engine in a vw
[15:58:41] <CaptHindsight> if it were all in one you'd just have STEP, DIR and IO connections
[15:59:10] <CaptHindsight> or the anything IO on the edge od the board
[15:59:16] <CaptHindsight> od/of
[15:59:23] <Rab> Tom_itx, agreed...if you're paying for FPGA i/o, I don't see the value of coupling it to a cripped PC.
[16:00:20] <CaptHindsight> thats why using ethernet with hm2_eth and the Mesa ethernet FPGA boards would be handy
[16:00:49] <Rab> Use a full PC and you can have a nice reponsive UI, have your CAD toolchain available right on the controller, etc.
[16:01:01] <CaptHindsight> since these ARM boards have a GPU powerful enough to run the GUI
[16:02:00] <Rab> (Saying this as I'm trying to use Machinekit w/BBB...but the supposed value there is that it already has RT i/o.
[16:02:04] <CaptHindsight> Rab: yeah tradeoffs, with ARM it can just be smaller with a simple power supply
[16:02:43] <anarchos2> BBB has hardware step generation?
[16:02:46] <CaptHindsight> this would be similar only the ARM board can also run a very responsive GUI
[16:03:19] <CaptHindsight> the BBB has 2 dedicated microcontroller that can generate steppping
[16:05:30] <anarchos2> what i dream of is something like BBB or something with hardware step generation, running headless, then running a remote interface on a tablet
[16:05:39] <anarchos2> so basically the machinekit project :P
[16:06:20] <Rab> anarchos2, it can do that. I've forwarded the X session over SSH.
[16:06:38] <anarchos2> and then I'll create a custom tablet case with hardware buttons
[16:07:09] <Rab> anarchos2,
http://blog.machinekit.io/2014/11/new-qtquickvcp-interfaces.html
[16:07:39] <Rab> Haven't tried these yet, but it's on the list.
[16:07:42] <anarchos2> yeah i saw that, looks pretty neat
[16:08:05] <anarchos2> will machinekit run on something other than the BBB? Like my x86 PC, for testing?
[16:08:15] <CaptHindsight> I need a small controller vs remote UI
[16:09:00] <CaptHindsight> depends on the machinekit version, I'm not sure who keeps up with what that project is up to
[16:09:32] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: it's a fork of Linuxcnc so you really do need to ask them
[16:09:38] <Deejay> gn8
[16:10:34] <CaptHindsight> Hey DJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHMVkqCKknc
[16:11:13] <Rab> anarchos2, machinekit.io describes some ambitious blue-sky effort to run Machinekit everywhere, but I think it's confined to BBB (and possiby other ARM platforms) at the moment.
[16:12:28] <Rab> The guts of LinuxCNC for Machinekit seem to be highly specific to the BBB i/o scheme.
[16:12:52] <Rab> New stepgens written in BBB PRU assembly, etc.
[16:13:00] <Rab> As I discovered the hard way.
[16:15:19] <CaptHindsight> preempt_rt is a bit broken right now on ARM, but latencies are <25uS on a few platforms
[16:17:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.osadl.org/Latency-plot-of-system-in-rack-b-slot.qa-latencyplot-rbs8.0.html?latencies=&showno=&slider=108
[16:18:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.osadl.org/Latency-plot-of-system-in-rack-c-slot.qa-latencyplot-rcs5.0.html?latencies=&showno=&slider=108
[16:23:37] <__rob> is that latency to output a step ?
[16:38:42] <CaptHindsight> __rob:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/motion/tweaking_steppers.html
[16:39:35] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/StepTimingCalculator.ods
[16:40:15] <dgarr> tjt
[16:40:55] <dgarr> tjtr33, seb_kuzminsky here's a stab at converting .time params to pins (tested on uspace sim 2.7 seems ok):
[16:40:57] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-hal_lib-change-.time-item-from-parameter-to-pin.patch
[16:53:47] <__rob> just wondering if you are going to go down the route of making hardware to drive the pulses then why you wouldn't use an fpga
[16:55:27] <__rob> rather then some microcontroller
[17:02:05] <tjtr33> dgarr, thx will try soon
[17:02:40] <CaptHindsight> __rob: the BBB ARM SOC has 2 integrated micros in addition to the ARM core called PRU's, they were included for just these types of applications
[17:02:51] <CaptHindsight> it's already on chip so they used them
[17:03:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ti.com/product/am3358
[17:03:26] <CaptHindsight> ^^ the ARM SOC on the BBB
[17:19:34] <MrSunshine> hmm how the heck to get rid of mdf residue from router bits? :/
[17:19:46] <MrSunshine> denatured alochol doesnt work .. acetone doesnt work .. wd-40 doesnt work ...
[17:21:34] <ssi> MrSunshine: try products for de-pitching saw blades
[17:37:09] <fluffybitchx> MEK
[17:39:33] <Connor> Anyone know what the code is on running a single wire to a switch for a switched outlet when the supply comes in on the OUTLET side ?
[17:39:59] <Connor> Normally, you bring supply into the switch side.. break the HOT and tie the common together.. and run the wire to the outlet..
[17:40:10] <fluffybitchx> single wire as in single romex run?
[17:40:25] <Connor> but.. in this case.. the outlet has the power (because it's a split outlet.. and will have a single wire running to the switch.
[17:40:47] <Connor> so one side of the wire will be always hot, the other side will be switched hot.. (and the wrong COLOR it'll be WHITE instead of black9
[17:41:04] <JT-Shop> black tape
[17:41:17] <Connor> OKay, that's what I thought..
[17:41:18] <fluffybitchx> if you mean a single romex run to the switch, tie the incoming black at the outlet to the black in the run to the switch, then tape the white with black tape.
[17:42:01] <fluffybitchx> Note that if you're working on other people's wiring, don't expect to see the black tape. Most people "forget" it.
[17:42:20] <JT-Shop> switching the neutral is so shocking LOL
[17:43:03] <Connor> I have to through in a blank GFCI in the mix too...
[17:43:25] <Connor> and trying to decide exactly where to place the outlet under the sink..
[17:43:37] <Connor> Needs to be on the side of the dishwasher..
[17:44:01] <Connor> but, high.. or low...
[17:44:08] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2315435/83577235.jpg Soviet Plane-spotters around 1917, but reminds me of something you'd find on Thingiverse
[17:44:09] <Connor> damn OCD kicking in again.
[17:44:26] <fluffybitchx> above and away from likely plumbing leaks, like the hoses to the dishwasher.
[17:44:39] <JT-Shop> what are you switching the disposal?
[17:45:35] <Connor> JT-Shop: Yes, and giving a plug to the dishwasher..
[17:45:42] <Connor> they were hardwired.. no GFCI
[17:46:20] <_methods> yeah i'm sure you can find those on thingiverse
[17:46:29] <Connor> I'm changing them over so it's easier to deal with if I have to pull the dishwasher out.. or change the disposal etc etc.
[17:46:57] <JT-Shop> yea, just tape the white with black tape and place it above the plumbing if possible
[17:47:23] <andypugh> Black for Live always surprises me. It’s just wrong :-)
[17:47:45] <JT-Shop> I like blue myself
[17:47:49] <fluffybitchx> why is it wrong?
[17:48:16] <Connor> I think I'll have to use a OLD WORK electrical box.. Not sure I have a stud close by to use..
[17:48:28] <fluffybitchx> "remodel"
[17:48:37] <JT-Shop> yea a cut in box
[17:49:16] <Connor> Yea. I have a remodel box for the dispoal switch and light... that's going to get changed to a "new work" box because it's exposed now and I can install it. and frankly it's in the way at the moment now..
[17:49:22] <JT-Shop> if you have a stud put the wires in the box then pull it into the hole and screw the side of the box to the stud
[17:49:23] <andypugh> We have brown for live now, that doesn’t make any sense either.
[17:49:38] <andypugh> UK used to be red for live, black for neutral.
[17:49:56] <Connor> OKay next question.. the box that the switch is in, already has a live circuit in it.. but, I'm using a different circuit for the disposal.. is that allowed ?
[17:49:57] <andypugh> That is the combination that makes sense to me.
[17:50:05] <JT-Shop> electricity doesn't care what color it is
[17:50:43] <JT-Shop> I can't see why not
[17:50:44] <fluffybitchx> ... I'm reading an article that suggests that to grow a pineapple in a cool climate, you wrap the plant in large-bulb christmas lights then wrap it with plastic wrap. fire hazard, anyone?
[17:50:56] <andypugh> Connor: I can see reasons that that might be frowned on.
[17:51:03] <Connor> The dishwasher had it's OWN breaker.. going to use it for dishwasher and the disposal.
[17:51:26] <Connor> andypugh: Yes. Because you turn of a breaker only to find that there is still a live circuit in the box.. I don't think that's code.
[17:51:30] <fluffybitchx> Connor: I'm not aware of that being explicitly disallowed, but I'm no code expert. it might need a "this appliance has multiple disconnects" sticker or something.
[17:52:01] <andypugh> Yeah, I would put a Dymo-label tag on the wire ends to explain which breaker they are on.
[17:52:17] <JT-Shop> your going to use the same breaker for both so when it is off all is off
[17:52:22] <dirty_d> hmm, my jax jitter from the latency test stays around 15000 for a while, just went up to 81000 though. How bad is that?
[17:52:25] <andypugh> That’s not the regs, and might even be disallowed by the regs, but it might save me a self-administered surprise.
[17:52:30] <dirty_d> max jitter*
[17:52:46] <andypugh> dirty_d: medium-bad
[17:52:54] <andypugh> Any sign of what triggered it?
[17:53:06] <dirty_d> i have no idea, but im not sure how to really check
[17:53:20] <dirty_d> im using the debian image from the site if that helps
[17:53:26] <fluffybitchx> dirty_d: not great. if doing a specific thing causes the spike, you could avoid doing the specific thing. for example, my system maintains excellent (sub-10k) numbers unless I initialize an accelerated video or do anything involving power management.
[17:53:32] <andypugh> You weren’t watchin youtube or playing WoW at the time?
[17:53:42] <dirty_d> nope, haha
[17:53:42] <Connor> JT-Shop: No. One breaker is for the dishwasher / disposal (now) the other breaker is for the rest of the outlets in the kitchen.. which excludes the fridge/microwave..
[17:54:13] <andypugh> dirty_d: Maybe try disabling the power-management in the BIOS.
[17:54:16] <fluffybitchx> Connor: if the other circuit dead-ends in that box, you could disconnect it at the other end.
[17:54:31] <JT-Shop> both circuits come into the same switch box?
[17:54:50] <Connor> Yes. One for the overhead light.. the other will be for the disposal.
[17:55:03] <Connor> I guess I could move the light to the dishwaher/disposal circuit...
[17:55:10] <JT-Shop> so you will have two switches in the box
[17:55:14] <dirty_d> im not sure that i can, I remember seeing settings for ACPI S3 and stuff but i don't think there was an option to turn it off.
[17:55:15] <Connor> yes.
[17:55:18] <dirty_d> im gonna reboot and look again
[17:55:34] <JT-Shop> should be intuitive to the next person to peek inside
[17:56:10] <Connor> I Think it will be.. the one switch will just have 2 wires from the same romex on it.. and nothing else..
[17:56:15] <JT-Shop> tail out any branches so you don't use the switch for a terminal block
[17:56:16] <Connor> so, I think it'll be safe.
[17:56:31] <Connor> tail out ?
[17:56:48] <fluffybitchx> JT-Shop: there's no connection between the two circuits
[17:57:03] <JT-Shop> ie if you have a hot coming and leaving the box and feeding the switch wire nut them together and only have one wire on the switch
[17:57:05] <fluffybitchx> one switch is feeding a light, the other is a switch loop to the disposal outlet. no connection between them.
[17:57:39] <Connor> Can't do that because they're separate circuits.
[18:00:49] <fluffybitchx> playing around with my X leadscrew today... it's not as straight as I'd hoped. plan B, cutting the end off and joining to it with a shaft coupler, might be the way to go.
[18:01:58] <JT-Shop> if you have a circuit that passes through a box and feeds a device in that box then you tail it out by adding a short wire to them and feed the device with that
[18:02:02] <Tom_itx> Connor 2 separate circuits in one box isn't allowed
[18:02:21] <Tom_itx> if they're from the same breaker that's different
[18:02:53] <Tom_itx> there are rules on box size vs number of wires too
[18:03:00] <JT-Shop> you can run 12-3 to a box from two circuit breakers and split it out
[18:03:40] <fluffybitchx> move both circuits to one double-pole breaker and pretend it's a multiwire branch. :)
[18:03:43] <JT-Shop> or 12-4 if you have a three phase 120v panel
[18:03:53] <Tom_itx> you sure? i think if you do that the breakers should be linked
[18:04:21] <JT-Shop> nope it is common practice to use only one neutral between different phases
[18:04:25] <fluffybitchx> hrmm, I can't find any prohibition on it for low-voltage circuits... >300V you're supposed to use a box divider.
[18:04:38] <JT-Shop> because the hots are out of phase you can do that
[18:05:03] <Tom_itx> i can see that
[18:05:13] <JT-Shop> each circuit is a different color
[18:05:15] <fluffybitchx> current code requires multiwire branch circuits to use a common-trip breaker
[18:05:29] <Tom_itx> i can't see 2 breakers to a box unless they're linked though. if one trips you think the box is dead but it may not be
[18:05:30] <JT-Shop> black red for 240v single phase
[18:05:48] <JT-Shop> you never assume
[18:05:55] <Tom_itx> i never do.. just saying
[18:05:57] <andypugh> fluffybitchx: Where is the bend in the screw?
[18:06:15] <JT-Shop> if they are linked then you have a 240v circuit not two 120v circuitsw
[18:06:31] <fluffybitchx> andypugh:
http://fw.bushytails.net/bentleadscrew01.jpg
[18:06:48] <fluffybitchx> I straightened it with a torch and hammer, but not sure I have it running true enough. will know when I put it back together...
[18:07:04] <andypugh> Yes, that is not subtly bent
[18:07:24] <ssi> lol dang
[18:07:35] <fluffybitchx> if it's not running true enough, and further hammering doesn't fix it, I'll just cut and couple it.
[18:07:35] <andypugh> Is that a plain end?
[18:07:54] <JT-Shop> I've worked on government jobs pretending to be an electrician and it is standard practice to use one neutral for two circuits and split them up at some logical point
[18:08:07] <fluffybitchx> the only force on that end is torque. the thrust bearings are on the other end. any shaft coupler will make it work.
[18:08:27] <fluffybitchx> JT-Shop: yes, it's standard practice, but I've always considered it a bit evil. heh.
[18:08:29] <Tom_itx> i'm not licensed either so you may well be right
[18:08:42] <andypugh> I wouldn’t cut and couple it, I would turn it down and sleeve it, then re-turn the sleeve. Or possibly build-up the critical areas with weld and then re-machine.
[18:08:52] <JT-Shop> not really evil to do that
[18:09:10] <fluffybitchx> andypugh: that's a lot more work.
[18:09:14] <Tom_itx> i need to get after wiring my box some more tonight
[18:09:18] <fluffybitchx> and requires a larger lathe than I own.
[18:09:24] <JT-Shop> evil is what carpenters do when they are playing electrican
[18:09:38] <_methods> indeed
[18:09:46] <fluffybitchx> JT-Shop: I was working on a house the other day where I still don't know how any of the lights managed to work.
[18:09:58] <JT-Shop> I love to find "turkey tie in's"
[18:10:17] <JT-Shop> and it's shocking to find a switched neutral
[18:10:29] <_methods> used to work at a woodshop with an air compressor next to soda machine........if you put a hand on the compressor when you leaned over to get soda and hit the chassis of soda machine you would get a fun surprise
[18:10:37] <dirty_d> pretty sure its my damn usb mouse and keyboard that is causing the high jitter
[18:10:51] <dirty_d> if i hit reset statistics it stays at 10000
[18:11:01] <fluffybitchx> JT-Shop: ALL wiring was done in hidden boxes built into the ceiling, that we had to rip two layers of ceiling off to get to... horribly horribly overloaded boxes... and wiring that made NO SENSE AT ALL. like lights getting hot from a switch on a different breaker than the neutral going to the light, things running in loops in the ceiling for no apparant reason, etc, etc.
[18:11:03] <dirty_d> as soon as i start moving my mouse around it goes over 50000
[18:11:09] <JT-Shop> _methods, I had a small place that was wired up like that... shocking for sure
[18:11:21] <_methods> yeah you never knew what would get you there
[18:11:25] <_methods> woodshops are dangerous
[18:11:35] <fluffybitchx> dirty_d: sounds like your box isn't a great canidate for hardware step generation. consider a mesa board.
[18:11:35] <JT-Shop> yea, that is how carpenters wire houses
[18:11:36] <_methods> i had to get out of that business while i still had all my appendages
[18:12:03] <fluffybitchx> as far as I can tell, he just randomly connected wires in every possibly combination until most things (and I mean most - some lights didn't) work.
[18:13:19] <fluffybitchx> it set a record for the worse overloaded box I've seen... if I remember right, it was a 10/4, a 12/4, and 3 12/3s... in an octagonal light box. and all the old cloth insulated nm, not modern nm-b.
[18:13:25] <fluffybitchx> overfilled
[18:13:30] <JT-Shop> I've seen a set of 3-ways that you had to turn it on with on and off with the other or something strange like that and 12-3 run for coax
[18:13:48] <dirty_d> i suppose i can just disable usb and get a ps2 keyboard and mouse
[18:14:11] <dirty_d> whoops, nevermind, no ps2 ports, lol
[18:14:13] <JT-Shop> now that is an overloaded box
[18:14:23] <fluffybitchx> do you know what it looks like when you pack a 10/4, a 12/4, and three 12/3s into a small octagonal light box? it was packed SOLID. no airspace, looks like he must have bashed it in with a hammer.
[18:14:34] * JT-Shop wanders inside to cook some home made pizza
[18:15:01] <fluffybitchx> ... said box had a hole blown clean through it after the second short between one of the wires and the box... the box was probably sitting at 110v (no ground, of course) for years until the second short...
[18:15:49] <JT-Shop> yea, I'
[18:16:40] <dirty_d> damn, cant even get a pci ps2 card, only one pci slot
[18:17:16] <JT-Shop> ve seen that before
[18:17:54] <JT-Shop> like PVC means Pipe Very Crowded
[18:18:20] <fluffybitchx> I decided it was more work than I wanted to deal with, so had them call a licensed electrician... the guy that came out commented that in 20 years, it was the worst box he'd ever seen.
[18:18:30] <JT-Shop> I saw one guy that put 6 90's in the conduit and complained about how hard it was to pull the wire
[18:18:43] <andypugh> dirty_d: as fluffybitchx said, you could use your one PCI slot for a Mesa 5i25 / 7i76 combo then the 81k latency wouldn’t matter, you would have a ton of IO and 10MHz step rate/resolution.
[18:19:02] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:19:02] <dirty_d> how much do those cost?
[18:19:40] <andypugh> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_84&product_id=215
[18:20:20] <andypugh> They make the parport look very 20th century.
[18:21:49] <dirty_d> im curious, how do these actually work?
[18:22:02] <CaptHindsight> the 20th century was pretty kewl
[18:22:09] <dirty_d> does it just buffer steps, or does it process gcode
[18:22:27] <andypugh> talking of wiring, I found this powering my oven. On the far side of a 1.5mm2 wire and a 40A breaker:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?norediirect=1#5506480949142923826
[18:22:39] <fluffybitchx> Connor: I still can't find any prohibition on what you're doing.
[18:22:44] <CaptHindsight> where s that block diagram of Linuxcnc again?
[18:23:22] <andypugh> dirty_d: It does neither. It creates step pulses at the commanded rate until told to change the rate. No buffering.
[18:23:24] * fluffybitchx would have to find a table to know what 1.5mm2 translates to in real wire sizes
[18:23:55] <fluffybitchx> looks nice and melty, possibly because of incorrectly sized wire and/or connector.
[18:24:22] <andypugh> The wire sizes are only one problem Wires at he sides of the screws are bad. Earth clamped on to the insulation is special too.
[18:24:42] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_Components
[18:24:45] <fluffybitchx> the wire is on the side because the wire and connector are rather mismatched.
[18:24:50] <andypugh> Yes.
[18:25:01] <fluffybitchx> if they were the right size for each other, it wouldn't fit in the side.
[18:25:29] <fluffybitchx> the real problem, as always, is horribly incompetent people doing wiring... although that might go beyond incompetence and into plain mental defectiveness.
[18:25:30] <dirty_d> andypugh, an arduino could do that, and youd still have the latency between wanting to change the step rate, and it actually changing the step rate.
[18:25:48] <andypugh> I think that is 8A wire on a 40A breaker. 8A is fine for the cooker, but the breaker should match the wire.
[18:26:05] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/EMCmsg_resize.png
[18:26:36] <andypugh> dirty_d: The Mesa card also drives the signals with real voltages. And 10Mhz would be a push for an Arduino
[18:26:45] <dirty_d> is that mesa board "IO Controller" on there?
[18:26:55] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/EMC_Control_LG.gif
[18:27:01] <dirty_d> andypugh, fine, a $15 stm32 board, lol
[18:27:12] <andypugh> It also has 32 IO pins which are serially addressed, and you can hook up a bunch more.
[18:27:21] <fluffybitchx> I occasionally get asked to fix houses that growers fucked up... one of them had a 50A 240V breaker running through a #14 115V extension cord.
[18:27:48] <andypugh> dirty_d: There are, of course, lots of solutions. But the Mesa boards work and have drivers and config generators.
[18:27:48] <fluffybitchx> growers seem to be some of the least intelligent people on the planet. I suspect they sample their product while doing wiring...
[18:28:32] <andypugh> dirty_d: How do you intend to send the step rates to the putative Arduino? (hint, USB won’t work)
[18:28:56] <fluffybitchx> I still think usb CAN work with appropriate software.
[18:29:30] <dirty_d> andypugh, see thats the part im not understanding about how the mesa board will fix this. If the rtai thread runs late, then the command to the mesa board is gonna be late too.
[18:30:00] <CaptHindsight> the RTAI thread doesn't run late
[18:30:02] <andypugh> Aye, but the Mesa firmware has a DPLL loop and sort-of notices.
[18:30:05] <fluffybitchx> have the step generator ramp down the steps at a set deceleration if it doesn't receive another pulse update within a set time frame, so if latency goes to hell, it just slows down, rather than over-cuts.
[18:30:43] <dirty_d> CaptHindsight, what do you mean?
[18:31:00] <dirty_d> that seems kinda hackish
[18:31:34] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d: if you are software stepping you set the thread rate to be longer than what the max latency is, so the thread is never late
[18:31:41] <dirty_d> if youre going to have external hardware, i feel like that should alleviate any realtime responsibility from the PC
[18:31:54] <andypugh> Basically every 1mS the Mesa card says “I made this many steps last mS, how many should I make next mS” and if it wasn’t exactly 1mS it still works because the step rate itself is accuratley clocked and ramped at known accellerations. The parport can just miss a step and stall the motor.
[18:32:38] <CaptHindsight> ^^
[18:33:28] <andypugh> dirty_d: But in your situation I would actually stick with the parport for a while and see if the latency glitches actually matter.
[18:33:34] <dirty_d> yea but what if that happens right at a corner or something
[18:33:58] <dirty_d> andypugh, yea im just going to increase that base period or whatever it is
[18:34:07] <dirty_d> that will just limit my max speed right?
[18:34:10] <andypugh> But when you run out of IO pins the Mesa stuff makes more sense than a second parport card.
[18:34:12] <CaptHindsight> yes
[18:34:57] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: whatcha working on this weekend?
[18:35:06] <dirty_d> ive never seen my jitter go over 81,000, so if i set the base period to 100,000, what would my max step rate be?
[18:35:21] <dirty_d> its not just 100,000 steps/s i would think
[18:35:23] <dirty_d> right?
[18:35:29] <dirty_d> i mean
[18:35:35] <dirty_d> you knowwhat i mean, lol
[18:35:51] <dirty_d> 1/100e-9 steps/s
[18:36:10] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: My parent’s house. Making-good the floor inside a new doorway (and door) I made.
[18:36:32] <andypugh> Last time I went up there I fired up the forge and made the door furniture.
[18:36:34] <CaptHindsight> dirty_d:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/motion/tweaking_steppers.html
[18:37:36] <fluffybitchx> bbl, test-fitting leadscrew
[18:39:32] <CaptHindsight> bbl, battling with NX
[18:43:48] <dirty_d> im overthinking this
[18:44:16] <dirty_d> even if i set my base period to 150us, i can still move at about 50in/min with 1/8 microstepping
[18:44:22] <dirty_d> im happy with that
[18:50:23] <andypugh> There is a little more to it than that
[18:50:46] <zeeshan> andypugh: nice fancy boring head
[18:51:13] <andypugh> The problem is that at 100uS you can do 10kHz. Or you can do 5kHz. And the motors won’t follow that jump.
[18:52:07] <andypugh> zeeshan: You mean this one?
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?norediirect=1#5998926150725388018
[18:53:05] <zeeshan> that opened an entire album
[18:53:18] <andypugh> I hate google
[18:53:21] <zeeshan> hehe
[18:53:24] <dirty_d> hmm, 2.6.5 doesn't show the toolpath of the loaded program?
[18:54:06] <dirty_d> nevermind, im getting an error, i think thats why
[18:54:28] <dirty_d> 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rfind' when i load the file
[18:55:02] <andypugh> zeeshan: Ah, I can’t tyoe.
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5998926150725388018
[18:55:17] <zeeshan> yes that one
[18:55:18] <zeeshan> its bad ass
[18:55:29] <andypugh> dirty_d: That sounds like a Python error code.
[18:55:44] <andypugh> zeeshan: It’s also probably unique :-)
[18:55:51] <dirty_d> yea it is
[18:57:11] <FinboySlick> What's the connector for on that boring head, andypugh?
[18:57:36] <andypugh> It drives the servo motor in the boring head :-)
[18:57:55] <FinboySlick> CNC boring head! Wow.
[18:58:25] <FinboySlick> How did you do the sliding contacts?
[18:58:27] <andypugh> Custom motor:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted?noredirect=1#5685047047296097794
[18:58:58] <andypugh> It’s all brushless and optical, no sliding contacts.
[18:59:36] <andypugh> (I do think it is the cleverest thing I have ever done)
[18:59:48] <FinboySlick> Ah right. Rotor is the magnetic part and connected to the spindle.
[19:00:15] <andypugh> Yes. and there are two encoders.
[19:00:41] <FinboySlick> One to synch with the rotation and one for relative movement?
[19:01:17] <andypugh> Indeed.
[19:01:30] <dirty_d> it was just an error in my ini file
[19:01:34] <andypugh> One of those “I need to get out of bed and write this down” ideas.
[19:03:43] <zeeshan> its bad ass
[19:03:44] <FinboySlick> You have to sync to the spindle encoder too, right?
[19:03:45] <zeeshan> thats what it is :)
[19:05:49] <FinboySlick> Hehe, show it to DMG MoriSeiki and give them non-exclusive rights to it in exchange for your pick of machine ;)
[19:06:31] <dirty_d> theres no way to see the max latency while linuxcnc is running right?
[19:07:05] <andypugh> dirty_d: I think there is
[19:08:04] <dirty_d> theres a "show linuxcnc status" in the machine menu, but i dont see latency in there.
[19:08:45] <andypugh> I am searching the docs
[19:08:56] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cknhoiggmrt64g0/speed%20selector.pdf?dl=0
[19:08:59] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: better?
[19:09:14] <dirty_d> well, thats alarming, acceleration: 1e99
[19:09:36] <andypugh> That’s quite high
[19:10:30] <andypugh> dirty_d: You can plot latency on a histogram:
http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/real-time-tuning/
[19:10:37] <zeeshan> after rearranging stuff
[19:10:45] <zeeshan> it looks like this circuit board has 2 seperate circuits on it.
[19:11:53] <zeeshan> it looks like if i give 24vdc to pin 5
[19:11:59] <zeeshan> and ground either pin 8 or 9
[19:12:15] <zeeshan> i _should_ be able to switch the hall switches using a magnet
[19:12:32] <zeeshan> and seeing a change of state on pin1,2,3,4,11,12
[19:12:56] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: more stuff, new features, more secrets
[19:13:02] <zeeshan> lol capt
[19:13:13] <andypugh> dirty_d: Interesting… There is a script in the LinuxCNC scripts folder which creates histograms, and as far as I can see it has no documentation, other than a vague hint in a related manpage:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/latencybins.9.html
[19:14:43] <dirty_d> hmmm
[19:14:48] <PCW> The histogram is fun to play with
[19:15:12] <PCW> as is halscoping various linuxcnc function times
[19:16:51] <PCW> zeeshan: that sensor board actually looks like it was made to work with 7I77 style inputs
[19:17:13] <zeeshan> yea it has pnp transistors
[19:17:29] <zeeshan> im a noob in electronics so i am confused about why it wasn't working last time
[19:17:36] <zeeshan> i tried to give 24vdc and ground the board
[19:17:48] <zeeshan> and then tried to put a magnet on the sensors and measure output on pins
[19:17:50] <dirty_d> does this give any hints as to anything i can disable?
http://pastebin.com/xCnfe2Rm
[19:17:51] <zeeshan> and it didnt do anything really
[19:19:06] <dirty_d> cant run latency-histogram with linuxcnc running too
[19:19:10] <dirty_d> but its still cool
[19:22:03] <PCW> is that a 12V regulator for the Hall sensors?
[19:22:30] <PCW> might check the output there
[19:26:34] <zeeshan> yes its a 12v regulator
[19:26:36] <zeeshan> l7812
[19:27:40] <PCW> outputting 12V?
[19:27:51] <zeeshan> it was a while ago, but yea i remember it putting out 12v
[19:28:54] <PCW> so the hall devices should switch with a strong enough magnet pointed the correct way
[19:29:12] <zeeshan> what should i be seeing between say pin 1 and gnd?
[19:29:18] <zeeshan> with no mag field?
[19:29:32] <andypugh> I spent two days hacking about with my Inventor add-in Slicer for DLP trying to get the SVG right. Then I found the SVG is right in Chrome, but not right in Inkscape. It’s an Inkscape bug!
[19:30:40] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Could be something with Cairo. I suspect that Chrome might not be using it.
[19:30:59] <andypugh> The file (tiny) is here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1421865/+attachment/4319053/+files/newfile.svg
[19:31:44] <FinboySlick> Firefox appears to render it right (assuming it's an ellipse with a flattened top)
[19:31:54] <andypugh> If anyone has something other than Inkscape or Chrome I would be interested to see if it comes out symmetrical top-to-bottom
[19:32:07] <andypugh> Yes, it is.
[19:32:22] <andypugh> It comes out vaguely pear-shaped in Inkscape
[19:32:38] <PCW> either low (<1V or) high = 24V but there's some diode logic so multiple halls may need to be triggered to get a high level
[19:32:40] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU#t=61
[19:32:44] <ssi> neat
[19:33:54] <PCW> Thats really cute
[19:34:56] <ssi> isn't it? :D
[19:36:39] <andypugh> I posted that to the mailing list a few days ago
[19:36:49] <andypugh> It’s inspired.
[19:36:53] <FinboySlick> http://pbrd.co/1Eot2vv http://pbrd.co/1Eot9Y2 is how GIMP renders it.
[19:36:55] <ssi> :D
[19:37:17] <andypugh> Gimp wins them
[19:37:27] <FinboySlick> First image is Firefox.
[19:37:31] <FinboySlick> (the zoomed in one)
[19:37:59] <FinboySlick> I'm pretty sure both GIMP and Firefox use Cairo.
[19:38:30] <andypugh> Inkscape:
http://ibin.co/1rZTXM05K7Hl
[19:38:48] <FinboySlick> Wow, that's quite a difference.
[19:39:13] <andypugh> Yeah, especially when the target is a DLP printer and these are engineering parts…
[19:40:15] <FinboySlick> I used to be good buddy with an inkscape dev but I haven't managed to get output from them in some time now. Otherwise I'd have submitted your example.
[19:40:46] <andypugh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1421865
[19:53:54] <andypugh> I don’t need this. But I want it.
http://www.workshopheaven.com/tools/Starrett-277-3-Three-Inch-Dividers.html#SID=99
[20:07:00] <_methods> i think i got a set of those
[20:08:11] <_methods> nope i'm a liar
[20:08:26] <PetefromTn_> hehe I'll trade you one for one of those nice boring facing heads you got andy LOL
[20:08:44] <XXCoder> gonna love involunary lying lol
[20:10:50] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I actually have ni use for the UPA4. But it is on an MT4 shank (fixed)
[20:11:22] <PetefromTn_> jeez Oh well
[20:11:23] <XXCoder> nice use?
[20:11:28] <XXCoder> or knights who say ni?
[20:11:36] <andypugh> I only keep the UPA4 because it is the most beautifully-made thing I have ever handled
[20:11:39] <ssi> andypugh: I want those dividers too
[20:12:08] <andypugh> I think that a UPA4 is 8k new
[20:12:34] <mozmck> andypugh: are you running the latest version of inkscape? they just released 0.91
[20:12:55] <andypugh> Yes, 0.91 Mac and PC render identically
[20:13:53] <mozmck> bummer
[20:15:00] <_methods> i had a chinese knock off pair lol
[20:15:02] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: There is an R8 and an 30 taper hiding inside an MT4, of course. Or one could cut the MT4 off short and modify to take the standard Wohlhaupter (super clever) differential-screw shanks.
[20:15:03] <_methods> go figure
[20:16:39] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I paid 150 euros for it, if you want it, and pay 150 euros + shipping and promise to appreciate it, you can have it.
[20:17:46] <andypugh> (I have had it a few years and have had my money’s-worth in “That’s lovely, thta is”)
[20:18:05] <ssi> heheh
[20:18:14] <PetefromTn_> hehe but I thought you said it was MT4 fixed?
[20:18:30] <andypugh> Yeah, but MT4 is made of metal.
[20:18:49] <andypugh> Everyone here re-shapes metal for fun
[20:19:00] <ssi> indeed!
[20:19:06] <ssi> so I got to do something fun today
[20:19:16] <ssi> I'm working on those pitts wings, and I realized that we missed someting in the drawings
[20:19:37] <ssi> there's 4130 plates sandwiching the butt end of the spars with some 1/4" holes through for bolts
[20:19:50] <ssi> and the plans call for those holes to be bushed with 4130 tubing, 3/8x.058" wall
[20:20:00] <_methods> heh i never figured i'd have room to use my coax on the x2
[20:20:03] <ssi> but the wings are already assembled, and drilling those holes was going to be quite hard
[20:20:16] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to have it man but I don't even have a lathe here anymore and machining that thing to accept a Cat40 would have to be absolutely perfect setup or you would screw the pooch LOL
[20:20:49] <_methods> http://imgur.com/7dxNa5a
[20:20:50] <ssi> so my friend BJ took me up to Delta's maintenance hangar at Hartsfield, and we went to the tool crib and checked out a .373x.248 1" LOC core drill with a 1/4-20 shank for use with a 90 drill
[20:20:54] <ssi> which I have
[20:21:03] <ssi> made short work of those holes!
[20:21:09] <ssi> otherwise I was going to have to try to make something custom :P
[20:21:45] <PetefromTn_> kinda surprised that the head is not made to accept different shanks
[20:22:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRGzGIAAAfqhR.jpg:large
[20:22:16] <ssi> here's the drill I got from Delta
[20:22:17] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9xRHcsIQAE6f_C.jpg:large
[20:23:12] <ssi> I was actually contemplating taking a 3/8" twist drill, annealing it, turning the threaded shank and pilot, and rehardening
[20:23:26] <ssi> but I've heard annealing HSS is a bitch
[20:23:30] <mozmck> andypugh: here's your image in my inkscape:
http://pbrd.co/1EoDK59
[20:23:57] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Actually you would have to mess up the shank attachment on a boring head really quite spectacularly for it to matter at all.
[20:23:58] <mozmck> I'm running trunk from the PPA on LinuxMint 17.1
[20:24:36] <XXCoder> mozmck: just small black rectangle?
[20:25:00] <andypugh> mozmck: Now _that_ is interesting.
[20:25:24] <mozmck> XXCoder: you can't see the image? looks like it is supposed to to me.
[20:25:25] <andypugh> Could you add that info to the bug tracker I posted?
[20:25:36] <XXCoder> probably broweser issue
[20:25:44] <mozmck> andypugh: let me try.
[20:25:46] <andypugh> Yeah, it looks spot-on to me
[20:25:58] <XXCoder> now it works
[20:26:09] <XXCoder> permission issue for me lol
[20:26:16] <mozmck> ah.
[20:26:30] <mozmck> pasteboard is pretty nice - I had not seen that site before.
[20:26:45] <XXCoder> new site idea
[20:26:48] <XXCoder> pastaboard
[20:26:53] <XXCoder> pictures of pasta only
[20:29:18] <andypugh> OK, sleep time here.
[20:37:29] <Connor> OKay, I'm starting to think it might be a bad idea to wire the dishwasher and disposal up on the same circuit..
[20:37:49] <Connor> Disposal is 6.9amps. I can't find any amps info on the current dishwasher.
[20:38:24] <zeeshan> is it old?
[20:38:39] <Connor> Not too old..
[20:38:44] <XXCoder> old is powerful
[20:38:46] <Connor> maybe 5-6 years..
[20:38:51] <XXCoder> literal. more power. lol
[20:39:10] <zeeshan> Connor: i know nec says something about dishwasher specifically.
[20:39:13] <Connor> It's always been on it's own circuit and the disposal was on another branch.
[20:39:17] <zeeshan> that it needs to be on its own circuit
[20:39:21] <zeeshan> 14 awg minimum
[20:39:28] <Connor> I use 12.
[20:42:36] <Connor> Requirements for GFCI protection in dwelling unit kitchens have been expanded. A new subdivision (D), “Kitchen Dishwasher Branch Circuit,” has been added to 210.8. Outlets supplying dishwashers are required to be GFCI-protected, which requires a GFCI-protective device installed at the origin of the branch circuit. The reason is related to different end-of-life failure modes and behavior of newer generation dishwashers as compared to the electromechanic
[20:42:57] <Connor> Origin of the branch circuit ?
[20:43:50] <Connor> I guess that would be the electrical panel ?
[20:44:47] <ssi> gfci breaker
[20:45:01] <ssi> as opposed to a gfci outlet at the dishwasher or something
[20:45:55] <Connor> I'm adding outlets for the disposal and dishwasher.. both were hardwire..
[20:46:18] <ssi> sure
[20:46:27] <Connor> okay.. so.. change of plans... separate outlets..
[20:46:34] <ssi> well "at the origin of the branch circuit" means use a gfci breaker in the panel rather than a gfci outlet
[20:46:45] <Connor> right.
[20:47:12] <Connor> I was going to use a blank gfci like this..
http://www.westsidewholesale.com/leviton-x7590-t.html?keyword=Google_Shopping&mr:trackingCode=FE3919B3-12C8-E311-B4D3-BC305BF933C0&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=56682935845&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=91797739165&gclid=CjwKEAiA3vamBRDJ1Lfwt5Pckw4SJAAdhnk2fHgFEevFg0_nvF0BsZcfzdfeaUE9c6zY_N3nRwFnZBoCLjjw_wcB
[20:47:16] <roycroft> is that nec or your local electrical code?
[20:47:23] <Connor> NEC
[20:47:31] <roycroft> i think it's a good idea, but if you're trying to save money, see if your local code requires it
[20:47:42] <roycroft> most local codes adopt nec and amend it
[20:47:42] <ssi> Connor:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-20-Amp-Single-Pole-GFCI-Circuit-Breaker-HOM120GFICP/100002959
[20:48:02] <roycroft> is this a new circuit?
[20:48:06] <Connor> No.
[20:48:08] <Connor> Existing.
[20:48:13] <roycroft> ok, so there may be a problem
[20:48:26] <roycroft> and that is that a gfci breaker has its own neutral wire
[20:48:31] <roycroft> and you connect that to the neutral bus
[20:48:39] <roycroft> then you connect the neutral wire for the circuit to the breaker
[20:48:48] <roycroft> and it may not reach the breaker if it's existing wiring
[20:49:01] <ssi> and on the fourth day, god created wire nuts
[20:49:05] <ssi> :D
[20:49:10] <roycroft> which may or may not be legal
[20:49:11] <Connor> It's a dedicated 12-2 all the way to the panel.
[20:49:15] <roycroft> right
[20:49:27] <roycroft> but will the existing neutral wire reach the new gfci breaker?
[20:49:44] <Connor> Oh. I have no idea.
[20:49:51] <Connor> I would have to open up the panel and look
[20:49:52] <roycroft> that is something you need to determine
[20:50:07] <roycroft> and also need to determine whether your local code allows you to extend it inside the panel
[20:50:11] <Connor> Looks like this break has it's own neutral "pigtail"
[20:50:14] <roycroft> right
[20:50:21] <roycroft> that's what all gfci circuit breakers have
[20:50:37] <Connor> I have slack on the wire..
[20:50:45] <Connor> I can pull more back into the box.
[20:50:45] <ssi> Connor: yea cause you have to pass the neutral thru the breaker so it can detect current on it
[20:50:51] <roycroft> if there's enough slack then you're good to go
[20:50:58] <roycroft> correct
[20:51:25] <Connor> okay.. So. GFCI Breaker at the box. (maybe not now)
[20:51:28] <roycroft> a gfci breaker detects if more current is going through the hot wire than is returning through the neutral wire
[20:51:36] <roycroft> if that's the case then it pops
[20:51:52] <roycroft> so it has to have the neutral for the circuit isolated from the rest of the power bus
[20:52:56] <roycroft> i would recommend gfci breakers for any circuits that feed wet areas, regardless of whether local code requires it or not
[20:53:01] <roycroft> it's just a good, safe thing to do
[20:53:07] <ssi> agreed
[20:53:09] <Connor> yea.
[20:53:32] <roycroft> your or your loved ones' lives are worth more than the $30 or so extra you pay for the breaker
[20:53:33] <Connor> okay.. so.. now the disposal.. it was being supplied by existing branch in the kitchen.
[20:53:45] <Connor> no GFCI in kitchen at all.
[20:54:03] <roycroft> i would recommend a gfci breaker for the whole branch circuit
[20:54:07] <roycroft> then everything is protected
[20:54:19] <Connor> That one is a bit harder to do.. it's very old wiring..
[20:54:23] <Connor> and probably no slack.
[20:54:41] <roycroft> in that case if code requires gfci and permits a gfci receptacle then do that
[20:54:47] <roycroft> however
[20:55:08] <Connor> Within in 6' of sink area I think..
[20:55:16] <roycroft> i would not install the gfci receptacle by the disposal
[20:55:23] <roycroft> i would trace the wires
[20:55:35] <Connor> I don't have to trace them. I know where they go.
[20:55:38] <roycroft> and find the first receptacle in the kitchen (closest to the panel)
[20:55:44] <roycroft> and put the gfci receptacle there
[20:55:50] <roycroft> that protects that outlet and everything downstream
[20:56:06] <Connor> Yea. Only 2 options for that.
[20:57:07] <Connor> I may have to upsize the box. I barely got the outlet and the wirenuts in it last time. I don't think a GFCI will fit..
[20:57:13] <Connor> very very old metal box.
[20:58:49] <roycroft> that's often a problem
[20:58:52] <roycroft> so there may be another option
[20:59:02] <roycroft> is there a place where the cable run is fairly exposed?
[20:59:19] <roycroft> i.e. surface mount conduit or romex in an attic?
[20:59:30] <roycroft> you may be able to put a junction box in the middle of the circuit
[20:59:35] <roycroft> and pull new wire from that back to the panel
[21:00:24] <Connor> In the crawl space.. which I just had redone. Much nicer to be in.. but still a pain.
[21:00:29] <Connor> let me check this other outlet.. brb
[21:00:39] <roycroft> i'm just offering suggestions
[21:00:49] <roycroft> you know what will work best for you :)
[21:04:37] <dirty_d> hmm, the terminal emulator that comes in the debian image is what was causing the 80us latency, lol
[21:04:54] <dirty_d> specifically moving the mouse over the window
[21:05:05] <dirty_d> if i use xterm, it doesnt happen
[21:05:10] <dirty_d> the latency hasnt gone over 15,000
[21:08:20] <Connor> okay. So.. The wall opposite the fridge/mircowave/dishwasher has a outlet. It's the start of a branch.. and feeds the outlet for the microwave and the fridge. Could be attached to another room.. I'm not sure.
[21:08:34] <Connor> dishwasher has it's own circuit.
[21:09:27] <Connor> then on the wall with the stove.. I have 2 outlets, a switch for exhaust fan. this was the circuit handling the disposal.
[21:10:50] <Connor> and of course the switch for the disposal. the start of the branch is that one outlet that's has 3 sets of romex coming into it.. the feeder, 1 for the daisy chain (exhaust fan then outlet then disposal) and it also feeds the range hood.
[21:11:21] <Connor> that box is going to have to be upsized.
[21:12:40] <Connor> I'll cut the nails with a Multi max.. and pull it out.. and install a plastic re-modelers box.
[21:14:22] <roycroft> sounds like a good plan
[21:15:03] <Connor> I think I have to move the other outlet which is going to be a bitch.. because we're installing base cabinets and it's too low.
[21:15:41] <Connor> ductwork is going to be in the way.
[21:15:54] <roycroft> yuk
[21:23:04] <roycroft> i've gotten weary of remodeling in my old age
[21:23:15] <roycroft> i prefer new construction when i do that kind of stuff at all now
[21:32:58] <XXCoder> roycroft: theres modular building ideas that pop up once a whi;e
[21:33:04] <XXCoder> too bad it never panned out, any of em
[21:50:50] <maZer`-> hi all
[21:51:10] <maZer`-> im trying to find out is there a way to override the linuxcnc coolant while running program?
[21:51:32] <maZer`-> the checkboxes greyed out if a programm is running, is there a way to enable it without stopping the program?
[22:00:48] <cradek> MacGalempsy_: F8
[22:01:04] <MacGalempsy_> hello
[22:01:25] <MacGalempsy_> what about f8?
[22:01:36] <cradek> maZer`-: F8
[22:01:38] <cradek> haha
[22:01:53] <cradek> usually two characters is enough to be unique
[22:03:46] <roycroft> f8 brought you to this channel
[22:03:58] <roycroft> it's up to you to make the most of the situation
[22:06:21] <ssi> :D
[22:23:48] <XXCoder> hey ssi!
[22:23:50] <XXCoder> hows ya
[22:37:14] <ssi> I'm oke
[22:37:19] <ssi> writing awesome code
[22:37:19] <XXCoder> cool
[22:37:40] <XXCoder> been working at conventenal mills dept for 3 weeks now
[22:37:43] <XXCoder> learned a kiot
[22:37:46] <ssi> I bet
[22:41:03] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/milltest01.jpg
[22:41:58] <fluffybitchx> the depth changes are due to only supporting the piece from the far end, and it getting pulled up by the endmill. was just a test, and didn't want to rig up a fixture.
[22:44:09] <XXCoder> hey fluffybitchx I found plugin that lazy load images so your connection dont get overwealmed with download images
[22:44:25] <XXCoder> wood cnc
[22:44:34] <XXCoder> looks like bit rough cut?
[22:44:40] <XXCoder> ohh
[22:44:44] <XXCoder> not bad
[22:45:16] <fluffybitchx> I just tossed a piece of wood on the mill and cut. surface finish was not a priority. if I cared, I'd have clamped the piece better. lol
[22:45:36] <XXCoder> true it is test after all
[22:45:45] <RyanS> If I find the work surface on Z to zero a DRO on a manual mill, i still need a tool length, correct?
[22:46:01] <fluffybitchx> I _hate_ lazyloading. find a plugin that breaks lazyloading on every site that uses it, so all images are loaded BEFORE you get to where they are, not after!
[22:46:12] <XXCoder> lol yeah there is onme
[22:46:18] <XXCoder> but only for one site
[22:46:44] <XXCoder> i tried it, didnt like it and removed lazy load images
[22:47:29] * fluffybitchx wonders if that test is the most popular thing ever cut with linuxcnc
[22:48:02] <fluffybitchx> with lazyloading, you scroll down, then there's an empty box where the image should be... then you have to wait for it to load. with sane loading, by the time you scroll down to the image, it's already loaded, so you don't have to wait for it.
[22:49:05] <XXCoder> lazy lazy plugin does exactly that only for all sites
[22:49:12] <fluffybitchx> this mill is definitely not what I want for my long-term machine... but it does seem to work. I need to figure out how to get the lathe chuck off, because with it on, you only get 7.5" on throat depth, instead of the 11" you'd get without it.
[22:49:18] <XXCoder> I found tab stop load so I can just open lots tabs then stop all load
[22:49:23] <XXCoder> then load one a time. awesome
[22:49:30] <fluffybitchx> yes. which is the exact opposite of what I want. I want to never, ever be subjected to lazyloading.
[22:50:31] <fluffybitchx> 11x10x3 is not a particularly great cutting volume.
[22:50:54] <fluffybitchx> also, I found out my mt3 extension I got doesn't fit my spindle. I think I need to cut it shorter. it hits something before the taper seats.
[22:51:24] <fluffybitchx> I have 17" of X travel, but it doesn't do you any good when you only have 11" to the column!
[22:52:21] <fluffybitchx> (note that, on this machine, the column is to the left, not to the rear like most machines)
[22:54:03] <fluffybitchx> oh well. I made chips, which is always a good thing.
[23:02:07] <fluffybitchx> get your walk sign working?
[23:02:48] <fluffybitchx> the next step on the mill is an enclosure for the electronics... right now everything is sitting in a pile on the side of it. :)
[23:11:34] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: not yet been busy fixng van
[23:11:54] <XXCoder> turns out my led turn signal flasher is wrong model bah what a waste of time lol
[23:12:03] <XXCoder> waiting for new one with correct pinouts
[23:13:03] <fluffybitchx> I need to fix the turn signals on my truck... they don't blink.
[23:13:18] <XXCoder> mines all over map
[23:13:27] <XXCoder> either brief normal flash then stop
[23:13:37] <XXCoder> or flash rapidly briefly
[23:13:44] <XXCoder> or any mix of those
[23:13:49] <fluffybitchx> I suspect the problem is the flasher, but it has less than 10,000 miles since I put it in, which annoys me.
[23:13:58] <XXCoder> one of capactors released magic smoke
[23:14:03] <XXCoder> surpised it still works
[23:14:36] <fluffybitchx> I haven't taken my truck apart to get to mine yet.
[23:15:05] <XXCoder> nissan quest its nightmare
[23:15:25] <XXCoder> has to remove knee bolser then bottom left guard then finally can access it.. barelt
[23:16:07] <fluffybitchx> anyone have some good stepper motor cable they want to sell, or trade for 20ft of brand new chainflex servo cable?
[23:19:45] <XXCoder> only has crappy chinese stuff lol
[23:22:08] <fluffybitchx> I bought some cheap 16/4 shielded cable on ebay, advertised as stepper/servo cable, and got sent garbage communications cable... the insulation already has white bands from flexxing, and the only chips I've made is that test.
[23:22:29] <XXCoder> already
[23:22:30] <XXCoder> shit
[23:22:35] <XXCoder> imange after 100 parts
[23:22:39] <fluffybitchx> before that, I bought 20ft of nice servo cable, but decided it was too fancy to use for this project... it has two more conductors than I need.
[23:23:23] <fluffybitchx> I bought it with plans of hiding the limit switch wiring in the motor cables, to reduce number of cables flopping around, but decided to put all the switches on the saddle instead, with their own cable.
[23:26:03] <XXCoder> fluffy you might want this
https://wordpress.org/plugins/lazy-load-for-videos/
[23:26:42] <XXCoder> it changes videos to images that you can click to load
[23:26:49] <fluffybitchx> what part of "I hate lazyloading" is difficult to comprehend? I do not want lazyloading of my images. I do not want lazyloading of my videos. I do not want lazyloading of my green eggs and ham.
[23:26:50] <XXCoder> easier on bandwidth
[23:27:31] <fluffybitchx> also, I don't run a wordpress site, and hopefully never will.
[23:28:09] <XXCoder> oops thought it was firefox plugin
[23:28:11] <XXCoder> sorry :)
[23:28:20] <XXCoder> great ref to green ham and eggs lol
[23:28:45] <XXCoder> http://donthatethegeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/funny-dog-sick-doctor-comic.jpg
[23:29:10] <fluffybitchx> lol
[23:31:35] <fluffybitchx> I want an anti-lazyloading extension, that forces all images to load as soon as the page loads.
[23:32:30] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: I think you want more normal internet connection:)
[23:32:43] <XXCoder> I found only one ntilazyload and it was only for one site
[23:32:53] <XXCoder> I suspect because ifferent script
[23:32:54] <XXCoder> s
[23:33:37] <fluffybitchx> LeelooMinai: if I had a faster internet connection, I'd want images to load even sooner!
[23:34:00] <fluffybitchx> the only reason sites use lazyloading is when they want to save bandwidth, and their content is so useless most people leave before reading much of the page.
[23:36:42] <fluffybitchx> there's no reason that you should have to wait for images to load AFTER they're on the screen.
[23:38:49] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: I thought the idea was for people with low bandwidth, so they could see/read the text first:)
[23:39:13] <LeelooMinai> At least at the inception of this
[23:39:19] <fluffybitchx> nope. never has been.
[23:39:24] <fluffybitchx> it's all about saving server bandwidth
[23:39:29] <XXCoder> lee the website version of lazyload is for server use less band er yeah
[23:39:33] <XXCoder> shes faster
[23:39:44] <fluffybitchx> your browser always loads the text first... it doesn't get the <img tags until it loads the text.
[23:40:06] <XXCoder> What I want is firefox lazyload for "open all in tab" so it dont load em till I click tab
[23:40:16] <XXCoder> nobody else wants that apparently
[23:40:36] <fluffybitchx> I think tabmixplus or one of those does that
[23:40:53] <fluffybitchx> although I've never used the open all in tabs option.
[23:41:00] <XXCoder> I do. everyday
[23:42:03] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: I go further in time with it:) Originally the images needed to be lloaded first to get their size and render rest of the page properly.
[23:43:31] <LeelooMinai> Then they though, hey, lets add those image size attributes to the markup so we can render the page and load the images in parallel.
[23:44:15] <LeelooMinai> And all the low bandwidth people were happy:)
[23:44:22] <fluffybitchx> even with no size info, it'll render the text before loading the images - it'll just re-flow the text when it gets the image headers.
[23:44:32] <fluffybitchx> lazyloading is entirely about saving server bandwidth
[23:44:52] <zeeshan-mill> got the encoder wired
[23:44:53] <zeeshan-mill> yay
[23:44:57] <zeeshan-mill> TEST TIME
[23:45:10] <Tom_itx> got 2 more boards din mounted
[23:45:12] <zeeshan-mill> what did i miss
[23:45:17] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, what boards
[23:45:17] <LeelooMinai> Yes, it would render it, but not in the places it was intended too - it was a bit of a problem.
[23:45:24] <XXCoder> fluffybitch nah it does not do what I want. too bad
[23:45:27] <fluffybitchx> oh, on a mill-related topic... I've found my steppers make most excellent generators. a few cranks of the handwheels with the power supply off, and my caps rise to >20V!
[23:45:27] <Tom_itx> the isolation board and the C6
[23:45:41] <Tom_itx> i'm running out of room
[23:45:42] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan:
http://fw.bushytails.net/milltest01.jpg
[23:45:43] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: wind power :)
[23:46:07] <Tom_itx> i had to make the mounts for them though
[23:46:16] <zeeshan-mill> nice fluffy!!!
[23:46:22] <zeeshan-mill> that is bad ass
[23:46:29] <fluffybitchx> if I crank the handwheels, the voltage rises about the 18V cutoff of the drivers, then the drivers power up and lock the motors, so I can't crank them until the power supply discharges again...
[23:46:32] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: I think those fluffy (sic) edges are because of low speed?
[23:47:01] <fluffybitchx> LeelooMinai: low speed, and the material chattering. I only clamped at the far end (just visible in the right of the image), and it was getting sucked up by the endmill.
[23:47:23] <LeelooMinai> RIght, bad clamping never ends well
[23:47:30] <fluffybitchx> that's also why it's deeper on one side than the other...
[23:48:09] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[23:48:13] <zeeshan-mill> index pulse not registering
[23:48:20] <zeeshan-mill> =[
[23:48:43] <fluffybitchx> homebuilt encoder or factory module?
[23:49:11] <zeeshan-mill> home built
[23:49:22] <zeeshan-mill> i noticed that even my linear encoders
[23:49:26] <fluffybitchx> check alignment of sensor and ring
[23:49:27] <zeeshan-mill> dont show an index pulse on the 7i77
[23:49:33] <zeeshan-mill> oh i know its working
[23:49:37] <zeeshan-mill> there are led's on the actual sensor
[23:49:44] <zeeshan-mill> it goes on and off through index
[23:49:54] <zeeshan-mill> trying to halscope it
[23:50:06] <fluffybitchx> ah
[23:50:26] <fluffybitchx> I need to build an encoder for my spindle... probably cut it with a tiny endmill from an aluminum disk.
[23:50:47] <fluffybitchx> someone else in here used countertop material, but I like metal.
[23:51:16] <zeeshan-mill> im dumb
[23:51:18] <zeeshan-mill> i was logging the wrong thing
[23:51:32] <XXCoder> can always grab el cheapo metal sheet from $12 store
[23:51:33] <XXCoder> mill it
[23:51:39] <XXCoder> er $1
[23:51:41] <fluffybitchx> no, you're only dumb if you come in here talking about how you blew another drive. :P
[23:51:50] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: I like the local scrapyard.
[23:51:53] <zeeshan-mill> hahah
[23:52:01] <XXCoder> no scrapyard here too bad
[23:52:15] <LeelooMinai> What is the final count, 4 drives?
[23:52:23] <fluffybitchx> also, aluminum clipboards make most excellent material. :)
[23:52:36] <fluffybitchx> clipboards tend to be a good strong alloy
[23:52:45] <XXCoder> clipboards, one for hold paper stack with clip?
[23:53:02] <fluffybitchx> yep
[23:53:14] <XXCoder> ok had to be sure. never seen such lol
[23:53:20] <LeelooMinai> Not very thick though
[23:53:56] <fluffybitchx> LeelooMinai: plenty thick for an encoder disc!
[23:54:02] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder:
https://d1t8ok2zesyvw2.cloudfront.net/spree/products/43/original/open-uri20130816-17199-3k7wy4.?1376685493
[23:54:13] <XXCoder> not bad
[23:54:17] <LeelooMinai> SO how much is such clipboard? :)
[23:54:23] <XXCoder> my bro saw one made from carbon fibre lol
[23:54:28] <XXCoder> its basically immortal
[23:54:38] <fluffybitchx> they're useful if you need a piece of metal and it's the weekend and all the non-big-box stores are closed...
[23:54:54] <LeelooMinai> It's probably not 6061-T6:)
[23:55:05] <fluffybitchx> LeelooMinai: a lot more than the per-sqft cost of the metal, but often less than the cut charges if you just want a little piece.
[23:57:49] <fluffybitchx> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:57:54] <XXCoder> night
[23:58:11] <zeeshan-mill> gnite
[23:58:44] <fluffybitchx> my mill is nowhere near done, but making chips is encouraging.
[23:58:52] <XXCoder> I bet yes
