#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-11

[00:19:48] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[00:46:16] <XXCoder> witnit: store loudly annonces to you they has new dilio collecton for you to buy from history. ;)
[00:55:43] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[00:55:47] <zeeshan-mill> whats going on here
[00:56:04] <zeeshan-mill> im trying to do net spindle-on <= spdvfd.run
[00:56:11] <zeeshan-mill> it says spdvfd.run doesn't exist
[00:56:15] <zeeshan-mill> but when i run hal
[00:56:17] <zeeshan-mill> it does.
[00:59:00] <zeeshan-mill> oh i didnt put W
[01:57:09] <MacGalempsy> anything exciting going on?
[02:11:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:12:16] <witnit> mojn
[02:43:16] <witnit> anyone with leads on 49/64 parabolic drills?
[03:40:15] <zeeshan|2> //c4.staticflickr.com/8/7309/16313739237_c1fd497d4b_h.jpg
[03:40:17] <zeeshan|2> err
[03:40:20] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7309/16313739237_c1fd497d4b_h.jpg
[04:31:50] <Tom_itx> witnit, http://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-Drills-HSS-/-Cobalt-Taper-Length-Drills-HSS-Taper-Length-Drills/c78_140_361_267_341/p14194/49/64-Taper-Length-Drill-118-deg-High-Speed-Steel/product_info.html
[04:31:58] <zeeshan|2> sleep!
[04:32:06] <Tom_itx> pfft
[04:32:30] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 that pic looks like manual labor
[04:32:55] <zeeshan|2> nop
[04:33:04] <zeeshan|2> mill from stock
[04:33:08] <zeeshan|2> flip over face
[04:33:11] <zeeshan|2> done
[04:33:13] <Tom_itx> cnc?
[04:33:16] <zeeshan|2> yes
[04:33:28] <Tom_itx> so you got it working?
[04:33:32] <zeeshan|2> yea
[04:33:35] <Tom_itx> nice
[04:33:37] <zeeshan|2> :]
[04:34:02] <Tom_itx> so you been up all night playing with it?
[04:34:08] <zeeshan|2> pretty much lol
[04:34:18] <zeeshan|2> i slowed down the z rapids
[04:34:21] <zeeshan|2> 200 ipm scares me
[04:34:24] <zeeshan|2> halfed it
[04:34:46] <zeeshan|2> do you have a pendant for your sherline
[04:34:53] <Tom_itx> for that mill yeah, 200 ipm rapids is nothing though really
[04:35:04] <Tom_itx> i do
[04:35:27] <Tom_itx> i got the MPG from china for 20 bux
[04:35:31] <Tom_itx> and made the rest
[04:35:37] <zeeshan|2> ah
[04:35:41] <zeeshan|2> i cant decide if i want one
[04:35:45] <zeeshan|2> keyboard works
[04:35:49] <Tom_itx> you do
[04:36:31] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant1.jpg
[04:36:56] <Tom_itx> don't pay the going rate of $65 for the MPG
[04:37:03] <zeeshan|2> thats nice
[04:37:04] <Tom_itx> you can get one off ebay for 20
[04:37:08] <Tom_itx> china
[04:37:11] <Tom_itx> same wheel
[04:37:50] <Tom_itx> the box was from my surplus place
[04:37:56] <Tom_itx> i made the face for it
[04:38:38] <zeeshan|2> that is nice :)
[04:38:59] <zeeshan|2> http://www.turbo-flanges.com/images/LS1.jpg
[04:39:06] <zeeshan|2> im thinking about how to make these
[04:39:14] <zeeshan|2> i want to order 1/2" x 3" flatbar
[04:39:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161440667181?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[04:40:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100PPR-6-Terminal-Eletronic-Hand-Wheel-Manual-Pulse-Encoder-Generator-CNC-Lathe/251710166569?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28808%26meid%3D5800eb52e954488d9d764135ce9d4674%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D161440667181&rt=nc
[04:40:22] <Tom_itx> couple bux less
[04:40:24] <zeeshan|2> so cheap
[04:40:42] <Tom_itx> same wheel as the first one i got for 65
[04:41:43] <zeeshan|2> usa tax
[04:41:44] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:42:11] <Tom_itx> no doubt
[04:43:14] <Swapper> Tom_itx: how do you interace the MPG and the knobs ?
[04:44:42] <Swapper> er interface
[04:45:03] <Tom_itx> what do you mean?
[04:45:19] <Swapper> are you running them to the PPL port ?
[04:45:21] <Swapper> or Mesa ?
[04:45:28] <Tom_itx> mesa
[04:45:43] <Swapper> ok
[04:46:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/my_jog.hal
[04:46:20] <Tom_itx> some of it may be in the main hal
[04:46:41] <Swapper> ahh nice
[04:47:36] <Tom_itx> the code isn't very clean... still a work in progress
[04:47:50] <Swapper> good info though
[04:47:56] <Swapper> lots of toggle stuff
[04:48:10] <Tom_itx> doesn't have my latest spindle stuff in it yet
[04:48:35] <Tom_itx> need to update those i suppose
[05:12:52] <RyanS> anyone used round insert face mills?
[05:13:06] <Swapper> yep got one 1 week ago
[05:14:37] <Swapper> Anything special your wondering ?
[05:17:52] <RyanS> better for benchtop mills (BF30) than 90° square facemills? ie less spindle power reqiured ?
[05:18:35] <Swapper> i have a square facemill and i cant get as good surface finish, get a step between passes
[05:19:06] <Swapper> probaly a tramming issue to some extent
[05:19:34] <Swapper> but the round incert facemill gets real good finish even on multipass
[05:20:08] <RyanS> so that's a similar to round nose/radius lathe tools--good finish?
[05:20:14] <Swapper> so if your not intend to use the 90° one to hog out material get the round incert
[05:21:03] <RyanS> Probably use endmill for roughing
[05:21:03] <Swapper> i used my 90° to do adaptive clearing to remove a lot of material fast and for that it works very good. A shower of chips
[05:21:31] <Swapper> but for facing i would go round or angled incerts like the tormach superfly
[05:22:27] <RyanS> so angled and round for finishing
[05:23:09] <Swapper> thats my belief after testing
[05:23:57] <Swapper> spindlepower wise i dont think you will notice any differance, dimeter of cutter makes the biggest differance
[05:24:19] <Swapper> i use a 50mm one since i dont have as much low speed torque
[05:24:36] <Swapper> and with cnc multipasses is no problem
[05:24:52] <Swapper> and im not facing motor block tops :)
[05:25:53] <RyanS> seems too ambitious to claims max 75mm facemills here: http://www.optimum-machines.com/products/milling-machines/bf30vario00/index.html
[05:26:38] <Swapper> all depend on speed and engagement, 0.2mm full width would probably be possible with a 75,,
[05:26:57] <Swapper> speeds and feeds
[05:27:24] <Swapper> do you still use the gearbox ?
[05:27:54] <Swapper> the low speed torque makes differance on bigger cutters since they need to turn slower then smaller
[05:28:24] <RyanS> I haven't received the machine yet. just ordering cutters
[05:29:39] <Swapper> ok
[05:30:45] <Swapper> i got my round incerted facemill with incerts made for cutting aluminium, they are polished and have a positive cutting angle to them that makes good surfacefinish
[05:30:58] <Swapper> so try getting both types of incerts for it
[05:32:47] <Swapper> http://zero-divide.net/?page=fswizard&shell_id=199
[05:33:05] <Swapper> you can play some with the size of the cutter and the HP req
[05:33:10] <Swapper> and torque
[05:33:21] <Swapper> off to lunch
[05:33:24] <Swapper> for me
[05:33:36] <RyanS> thanks
[06:16:16] <miss0r> I am trying to figure out weather to convert my manual arboga u2508 mill to CNC or not. I have no issue replacing the old threaded rods in the X-Y table with a ballnut system. My issue if what to do with the Z-axis. as you can see on this quite nice drawing: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/19494d1264407546-drill-press-geared-head-vs-belt-driven-sales-blurb-arboga-u2508-lo-res.jpg
[06:17:41] <miss0r> The two possibilities, the way I see it, are: the handle on the back of the tower lifting the entiere colum and machine part or the handle for the drill bit lowering, on the front. The problem is: both places have a pretty large amount of backlash, which I cannot figure out how to get rid of. Do you guys have any suggestions?
[06:18:20] <archivist_herron> I dont see round column as suitable
[06:19:12] <miss0r> indeed. But it's all i've got - can it be done?
[06:19:15] <archivist_herron> what stops any rotation of the column when in use
[06:20:06] <miss0r> the linear gear bolted to the outside of the column is bolted in both ends and fits into a slot
[06:20:25] <miss0r> pretty tightly actualy. it won't go anywhere
[06:21:11] <archivist_herron> grab the head rotate while unclamped, how much play
[06:21:14] <miss0r> you can see it here: http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/img5.gif
[06:22:05] <miss0r> nothing
[06:23:21] <miss0r> it has the same system for removing play as the x-y table has it(some fort of hard metal, wedged in between and two bolts to loosen/tighten it)
[06:24:47] <archivist_herron> have you googled to find anyone else who has done it?
[06:25:27] <miss0r> yep. I can't seem to find anything on this particular construction.
[06:25:29] <renesis> how much play is there on the X and Y wheels?
[06:25:50] <renesis> if the column isnt an issue, backlash might be
[06:26:10] <miss0r> renesis: I am replacing the old threaded rods with ballnut axles
[06:26:13] <renesis> manual machines, backlash doesnt matter so it sucks
[06:26:26] <renesis> k
[06:32:18] <miss0r> archivist_herron: I am having a vision: What if I attach an external ballnut+rod to the front of the mill, connected to the end of the spindle. I wonder if that will be stable enough
[06:33:17] <archivist_herron> I think that is one heavy head :)
[06:33:48] <miss0r> indeed. But; What if I were just to move the spindle ud and down?
[06:34:17] <miss0r> disengaging the manual system and sort of "hang" the spindle on an external threaded rod?
[06:34:32] <archivist_herron> that may be the best bet, can you gear to the handle mechanism
[06:35:17] <miss0r> I don't understand the question :/
[06:36:02] <archivist_herron> the handle probably gears into a rack on the spindle
[06:37:20] <miss0r> yes. And I even have a "worm drive?" with a turnable handle in the front. It would be easy to add a stepper there, but the backlash if pretty big. I was playing with the thought of just adding a downward forcing spring to keep it tensioned, but I fear that will not do.
[06:37:21] <archivist_herron> if it has a spring return that will/should deal with backlash
[06:37:51] <miss0r> but you think it will? :)
[06:38:11] <archivist_herron> if you do it right :)
[06:38:51] <miss0r> It has a return spring. I am thinking of reversing that, since most cutters will try to drag the spindle down.
[06:38:55] <archivist_herron> I have seen plenty of machines that use a spring for backlash control, usually not cnc though
[06:40:49] <miss0r> One will have to learn the hard way :) one last question; since I have little experience with building/converting mills, I am at a loss at to how powerfull the steppers need to be - and I don't want to just run out and buy something massively overexpensive, when I could have handles it with alot smaller; question part: What size would you use for this job ?
[06:41:38] <miss0r> i.e. n-m or oz-in size would you reccomend?
[06:42:06] <archivist_herron> measure the torque, go over sized to avoid lost steps
[06:42:33] <archivist_herron> far to easy to undersize
[06:42:38] <renesis> if its going to be open loop step go big, make sure they will spin fast enough
[06:42:49] <miss0r> Indeed. But I don't have a torque measuering device or anything
[06:42:51] <Swapper> yea, big steppers need high voltage
[06:43:05] <Swapper> so you cant go wrong with high voltage stepper drivers
[06:43:15] <archivist_herron> a bit of wood and a weight
[06:43:17] <Swapper> 70v or more i would say
[06:43:42] <renesis> if you go nema23 youre prob going to want the biggest nema23
[06:44:01] <archivist_herron> I made my mill with undersized motors. I hate the failures later
[06:44:18] <miss0r> thats pretty big: I need to add, even when ajusted quited tightly and absolutly no play available in the x-y table, it is quite easy to move with the handles
[06:44:51] <renesis> btw http://www.avclub.com/article/heres-video-jon-stewart-announcing-hell-leave-dail-215086
[06:44:55] <archivist_herron> until you plonk a large casting on the table
[06:44:56] <renesis> obviously to run in 2016
[06:44:59] <miss0r> i.e. I can turn the knoibs with my littlefinger
[06:45:49] <miss0r> archivist: indeed. This is also true when I add a 120lb rotary table.
[06:46:09] <miss0r> and, might I add, it is hell lifting that thing in place
[06:46:23] <archivist_herron> my rotaries unbalanced the weight on the slides causing a lot of extra friction on the XY
[06:47:13] <miss0r> something like this: http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/img5.gif
[06:47:27] <miss0r> sorry...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIY-CNC-Kit-3-Axis-TB6600HG-Stepper-Motor-Driver-4Nm-567oz-in-Nema23-36V-10A-PSU-/391031111682?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0b454002
[06:47:57] <miss0r> or perhaps this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/From-UK-Free-Tax-3Axis-Nema23-425oz-in-Stepper-CNC-motor-Dual-shaft-driver-kit-/301494111174?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4632730bc6
[06:49:58] <archivist_herron> I got mine from http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors
[06:51:23] <miss0r> I just like the idea of buying a complete kit, not having to worrie much about getting the correct psu/controller..
[06:52:03] <Swapper> miss0r: are you in sweden ?
[06:52:17] <miss0r> Denmark.
[06:52:25] <Swapper> ok
[06:52:26] <miss0r> so, almost ;)
[06:52:31] <miss0r> Why you ask?
[06:52:31] <Swapper> yep
[06:52:45] <Swapper> Arboga machine, i think its swedish
[06:52:54] <Swapper> and im from sweden
[06:53:18] <Swapper> http://www.jbcnc.se/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=341
[06:53:19] <miss0r> indeed. Now the company that handles Arboga milling & grinding in scandinavia is in thisted Denmark
[06:53:55] <Swapper> if u get 3 of those and 3 70v PSUs that match you will get deasent speeds
[06:53:58] <miss0r> Swapper: About the link: I was _hoping_ to do this build without digging my self into financial ruin
[06:54:27] <Swapper> yea, i get what you mean but its not a small desktop machine you have there
[06:54:52] <miss0r> That is true, as big as it is, as empty is my pockets ;)
[06:54:57] <Swapper> i ran that type of stepper drivers on a X2 mini mill and that where about right
[06:55:47] <miss0r> the ones I posted a link about?
[06:55:55] <miss0r> or the one you posted?
[06:56:51] <Swapper> the one i posted
[06:57:23] <miss0r> isn't an X2 small compared to mine?
[06:57:31] <Swapper> yea real small
[06:57:42] <Swapper> i where probably a bit vague
[06:57:43] <Swapper> sorry
[06:57:57] <Swapper> the stepper drivers would work good on your size mill with the right motors
[06:58:11] <miss0r> What motors would you reccomend then?
[06:58:22] <miss0r> Then I can start crying about the price :)
[06:59:19] <Swapper> for z axis geared right http://www.jbcnc.se/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=182 or http://www.jbcnc.se/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=343
[06:59:23] <Swapper> cant say for shure
[07:00:02] <Swapper> for inspiration check http://elektronikforumet.com/ and cnczone for conversions, lots of discussions regarding sizing of steppers / servos
[07:00:04] <miss0r> 14nm is pretty massive: I have a worm drive on the stepper there
[07:00:14] <miss0r> alright, Thanks
[07:00:26] <Swapper> arent you going to replace all axises with ballscrews ?
[07:00:45] <Swapper> then you can gear it 1:3 or what suits
[07:03:53] <Swapper> But remember bigger steppers = slower if voltage is not kept high enough
[07:04:02] <Swapper> before they looses steps
[07:05:48] <miss0r> I wan't planning on gearing it honnestly. I was planning on running the ballscrews directly with the steppers
[07:09:42] <miss0r> is that a horrible mistake?
[07:10:34] <archivist_herron> depends!
[07:11:23] <miss0r> I am hoping theres more to that sentence of yours?
[07:11:29] <miss0r> ;)
[07:11:55] <jdh> depends on a lot of things
[07:12:09] <archivist_herron> it is always a compromise
[07:12:22] <Swapper> miss0r: http://elektronikforumet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71104&start=90
[07:12:25] <Swapper> check that out
[07:12:40] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: what did you think of that chest?
[07:12:55] <archivist_herron> what chest?
[07:13:24] <archivist_herron> something had scrolled off when I got up this morning
[07:13:25] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: the last video I linked you to
[07:13:42] <Jymmm> archivist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKikHxKeodA
[07:14:00] <archivist_herron> cant watch videos here
[07:14:17] <archivist_herron> has to wait till I get home
[07:15:12] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: np. It's a 200 year old chest with secret compartments and hidden mechanical movements
[07:15:22] <archivist_herron> actually I can watch!, seen that before
[07:15:35] <miss0r> omg, impressive :D
[07:15:54] <miss0r> put me up for a order of 10 :D
[07:16:15] <miss0r> meh. I have to run. thanks for the help guys
[07:42:31] <__rob> hello
[07:42:42] <__rob> anyone used Autodesk Inventor HSM
[07:43:17] <__rob> basically, my end mill is supposed to be 4mm, but I've been cutting test holes for a 17.1mm diameter bearing and it doesn't fit
[07:43:31] <__rob> I stuck the calipers on the tool and the widest part seems to be 3.92mm
[07:44:05] <__rob> is this kind of tolerance normal in an end mill, or should it be exactly 4mm ?
[07:45:34] <Jymmm> Is it one of those lil 1/8" end mills with the colored ring on it?
[07:45:46] <Jymmm> 1/8" shaft*
[07:46:25] <archivist_herron> also curve following may have a tolerance due to the method you are using
[07:46:29] <Jymmm> like this https://www.buildyourcnc.com/images/end%20mill%20micro%20large.jpg
[07:52:06] <__rob> its a proxxon one
[07:52:11] <__rob> bought a set with the mill
[07:52:30] <__rob> yea, its not one of those
[07:56:08] <archivist_herron> have you allowed for backlash in your slides too
[07:56:43] <Jymmm> Oh, like dremel bits... http://shop.prox-tech.com/c/accessories-for-rotary-tools_milling-bits
[07:58:09] <__rob> so actually... looking at this..http://www.proxxon.com/us/micromot/34104-accessories.php
[07:58:12] <__rob> its all in inches
[07:58:17] <__rob> for the end mill set
[07:58:40] <__rob> although it has in brackets (mm)
[07:58:45] <__rob> which is nonsense
[07:59:06] <__rob> if its 5/32 inches, its not 4mm
[07:59:59] <__rob> archivist_herron, i've not allowed for backlash, but it seems pretty tight
[08:00:03] <__rob> dunno how to calibrate for that
[08:00:36] <Rab> Proxxon is german, I'd more expect them to sell a 4mm end mill as 5/32.
[08:00:55] <archivist_herron> you need to measure
[08:01:01] <__rob> yea, well calipers (crappy ones) say 3.94
[08:01:21] <archivist_herron> I mean the backlash
[08:01:21] <Jymmm> 0.15625" == 3.96875mm
[08:01:39] <_methods> that's what cutter compensation is for
[08:01:47] <Rab> __rob, what's your material? And have you tried running the job again on the same fixed workpiece as a kind of finishing pass? That HSS tool may be deflecting under load.
[08:01:54] <__rob> aluminium
[08:02:08] <Rab> What is your depth of cut?
[08:02:08] <archivist_herron> the machine can be deflecting too
[08:02:14] <__rob> 0.5mm,
[08:02:18] <_methods> lol
[08:02:20] <__rob> tried with 0.2 aswell
[08:02:21] <_methods> not deflection
[08:02:22] <_methods> hehe
[08:02:40] <_methods> are you using cutter comp?
[08:02:45] <__rob> no
[08:02:51] <_methods> well........
[08:02:56] <Rab> __rob, tried milling a slot and measuring the slot?
[08:03:03] <__rob> no, I will do some more tests
[08:03:09] <__rob> only just got it working
[08:05:11] <Rab> What's the actual diameter of the cut hole?
[08:05:35] <archivist_herron> is the hole round
[08:09:08] <__rob> 17.1mm
[08:09:18] <__rob> yea, looks pretty nice
[08:09:47] <__rob> just finished another , with the cutter set to 3.9mm and it looks like the bearing fits.. with a few finishing passes
[08:10:38] <Rab> 17.1mm bearing and a 17.1mm hole, sounds like an interference fit. ^_^
[08:11:11] <Jymmm> Nothing a lil LN2 and a torch couldn't resolve
[08:11:55] <__rob> interference fit ?
[08:11:57] <__rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdspVQ5G2YM
[08:12:00] <__rob> thats the setup
[08:14:25] <Rab> __rob, if the hole and the bearing are exactly the same size, friction will require pressing the bearing in. The hole actually needs to be a few thou oversize for a slip fit.
[08:15:22] <__rob> yea, well bearing is 17 exactly
[08:15:29] <__rob> the hole has come out 17.6
[08:15:42] <Rab> And of course deflection of the tool or machine, or many other factors, could result in the hole being slightly large or small or oblong.
[08:15:44] <__rob> bit hard to say with these calipers, I can move it 0.04 either way with pushing harder
[08:16:16] <Rab> Don't push on your calipers.
[08:17:27] <__rob> ok
[08:17:39] <Jymmm> Don't use the force Luke!
[08:17:43] <__rob> other questions was about a chamfer on the edge
[08:17:54] <__rob> I was using an NC drill for it
[08:18:03] <__rob> dunno if theres a better option, seems to have worked
[08:18:14] <Rab> You can make $500 calipers deflect .04mm, but you had better rather not.
[08:19:19] <__rob> the problem with the chamfer with Inventor HSM is that I cant have the chamfter on the part in inventor, as I need to use 2d Coutour and pick the contour that isn't there if I have the actual chamfer applied within inventor
[08:19:40] <__rob> dunno if anyone knows how you can have both
[08:20:31] <__rob> and also I would like to know if an NC drill is ok for this purpose
[08:20:48] <__rob> http://www.traderscity.com/board/userpix29/20327-solid-carbide-nc-spotting-drills-1.jpg
[08:20:51] <__rob> one of these things
[08:26:27] <_methods> you can use those spotting drill for that but i prefer not to
[08:27:16] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/products/view/19944/18_Single_End_4_Flute_Solid_Carbide_Chamfer_Mill_100_Degree
[08:27:48] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/product_categories/view/807222530/90_Degree
[08:28:16] <_methods> or you can use an insert chamfer mill
[08:28:23] <_methods> on inserted spotting drill
[08:28:36] <_methods> depends on how big of a chamfer and how big of a wallet you have
[08:29:40] <_methods> and you can have the chamfer in your model you just need to select the geometry you want and use a contour path and offset the depth to whatever you want to make the chamfer the size you need
[08:31:09] <__rob> yea, well this is 0.5mm all around
[08:31:15] <__rob> just makes the part look neat imo
[08:31:20] <_methods> yeah
[08:31:29] <_methods> chamfers and fillets are good
[08:32:00] <_methods> you'll run into the same issue with fillets also
[08:35:00] <__rob> ahhh, offset, found it
[08:35:01] <__rob> thank
[08:35:02] <__rob> s
[08:36:02] <_methods> if you're not using cutter comp what are you using?
[08:36:15] <_methods> you're letting the computer generate the path with comp?
[08:36:24] <_methods> HSM
[08:37:08] <_methods> you'll probably need to lie to it about the chamfer tool diameter if you use the final circle dia or draw a new circle inset for the dist of your chamfer
[08:40:13] <__rob> well yea, inventor is set to computer
[08:40:37] <__rob> for the compensation mode
[08:40:50] <__rob> seems to take into account the cutter size
[08:40:58] <__rob> surely thats all that is needed ?
[08:41:08] <_methods> it will but you will have no option to compensate at the machine
[08:41:16] <_methods> i set mine to wear personally
[08:41:34] <_methods> what's the other option
[08:41:39] <_methods> wear, computer and something else
[08:42:09] <_methods> the other one you have to put the actual cutter dia into your tool table
[08:42:20] <_methods> i just put corrections into the wear column in my tool table
[08:42:44] <__rob> http://snag.gy/nB5jI.jpg
[08:42:47] <__rob> thats the optiosn
[08:42:50] <_methods> i just do that from habit from working at a high production place that wanted to limit operator entry
[08:43:12] <_methods> yeah incontrol
[08:43:20] <_methods> you'd need to enter the tool dia
[08:43:23] <_methods> and tool wear
[08:43:40] <_methods> but wear you just insert the wear amount only
[08:43:46] <__rob> is that in inventor still?
[08:43:47] <_methods> no need to insert teh tool dia
[08:43:48] <__rob> the wear setting ?
[08:43:59] <_methods> i see it there in that pic you sent me
[08:44:03] <_methods> wear and inverse wear
[08:44:29] <__rob> yea, just confused about the point
[08:44:36] <_methods> IN control gives you the most control
[08:44:47] <_methods> you can swap out any tool and get good paths
[08:44:50] <__rob> yea, but overall its the same as just setting the tool diameter
[08:44:53] <__rob> ahh right
[08:44:55] <_methods> with just wear you can get into some cutter comp issues
[08:45:07] <_methods> if you put in too small or too large of a tool
[08:46:26] <_methods> but for maximum choice i'd use in control just know that you need to enter your tool dia into the tool table
[08:59:18] <ssi> hrm
[10:53:47] <_methods> damn almost got me a sewing machine for $50
[10:53:51] <_methods> consew 206
[10:53:59] <_methods> now it shot up over $300
[11:00:45] <skunkworks> I almost got a porche for $200.. but it jumped up to $75000 ;)
[11:02:20] <_methods> hahah
[11:02:25] <_methods> touche
[11:02:34] <_methods> all i wanted was a damn sewing machine
[11:03:05] <malcom2073> My mom just spent $4k on a new sewing machine, damn thing has a xy table for embroidery
[11:03:13] <malcom2073> Pretty slick stuff
[11:03:47] <_methods> i just need an industrial one that can sew nylon webbing and stuff
[11:03:54] <_methods> heavy weight material
[11:04:47] <__rob> _methods: if i type in the exact cutter sizes and dotn push the calipers it seems exactly right, just dont a few more tests
[11:04:48] <__rob> thanks for the help
[11:04:57] <_methods> np
[11:06:07] <_methods> that's what cutter comp is good for lol
[11:06:19] <_methods> besides making you pull your hair out when it's not working right
[11:06:56] <_methods> well i guess cutter comp is always working right
[11:07:05] <_methods> i just put stupid stuff in that makes it not work
[11:07:49] <toast-work> i wouldn't call a consew "just a damn sewing machine"
[11:07:55] <toast-work> i'd still bid on it for 300
[11:07:56] <mozmck> _methods: you can sew pretty heavy stuff with a good home machine even.
[11:08:02] <_methods> yeah i'm thinking about it
[11:08:08] <mozmck> Is it walking foot?
[11:08:08] <_methods> it's still going up though
[11:08:21] <_methods> it's a 206
[11:08:22] <toast-work> I'm dumb in that i got a serger first and kept my home-grade straight stitch machine
[11:08:29] <toast-work> i should have got a zigzag machine instead
[11:08:56] <_methods> there's a juki that goes up in a few days i'll try and get
[11:09:03] <_methods> i think juki305
[11:09:48] <_methods> oh nm
[11:09:55] <_methods> juki lk-1850
[11:10:30] <PetefromTn_> I don't know much about sewing machines but I always wanted a heavy duty one for upholstery and webbing/leather stuff
[11:10:37] <_methods> yeah
[11:10:40] <_methods> that's what i want it for
[11:10:53] <mozmck> consew 206 RB-5 is triple feed - nice.
[11:10:59] <_methods> i want to make a prototype tent that goes into my tacoma bed rails
[11:11:14] <PetefromTn_> Ooh that is nice..
[11:11:19] <_methods> yeah
[11:11:26] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to be able to make a softtop for my bronco
[11:11:51] <PetefromTn_> they make nice ones but they cost over $800.00
[11:12:07] <mozmck> you can do that with a decent home machine. a Pfaff 1200 series will do it - most any older sewing machine
[11:12:13] <PetefromTn_> and I don't mean drilling it full of button holes
[11:12:19] <_methods> yeah the older direct drive pfaff and singers
[11:12:23] <mozmck> I know because my wife does a lot of that stuff.
[11:12:35] <_methods> but if i can get a consew or juki for $200 and under
[11:12:37] <_methods> i'm takin it
[11:12:45] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty cheap
[11:12:50] <_methods> i'm cheap lol
[11:12:55] <_methods> i just watch auctions
[11:12:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too ;)
[11:12:59] <_methods> sooner or later i'll get one
[11:13:00] <mozmck> We do have a couple of walking foot machines and several industrial, but she can do most of it on a home machine.
[11:13:31] <mozmck> Yeah, for a good compound feed machine $200 will be hard to find
[11:13:40] <_methods> that's why i watch auctions
[11:13:42] <_methods> lots of them lol
[11:13:45] <PetefromTn_> I tried to do some canvas on my wife's machine and while it did it I almost broke it and now she is like NEVER AGAIN!~
[11:13:47] <_methods> you never know what you can get
[11:14:08] <mozmck> :) I'm not stranger to auctions.
[11:14:39] <mozmck> Most of my industrial machines have cost me $100 or less with table and motor. But my pfaff 145 was about $400
[11:14:40] <PetefromTn_> I guess you never did find me that $100.00 fourth axis then hehehe
[11:14:40] <_methods> if you're patient and watchful you can get some great deals
[11:14:55] <_methods> haha no i'm watching as always
[11:15:02] <_methods> there is an auction tomorrow i'm going to miss
[11:15:11] <_methods> gotta go to customer all day
[11:15:18] <PetefromTn_> that will be the one that has it LOL
[11:15:24] <CaptHindsight> who makes very narrow knitting needles?
[11:15:29] <mozmck> The problem with auctions is that often things go way too high.
[11:15:37] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[11:15:42] <PetefromTn_> I have seen that firsthand
[11:15:43] <mozmck> I often get better deals at junk shops and craigslist.
[11:15:51] <_methods> yeah it depends on who's at the auction
[11:16:02] <mozmck> Yep, I've watched many a thing sell higher than new cost.
[11:16:08] <_methods> i got a coolant recycler at an auction about 2 years ago for $150
[11:16:08] <PetefromTn_> my brother in law took me to an local auction awhile ago
[11:16:14] <_methods> it's a $20k recycler
[11:16:22] <_methods> no one knew what it was at the auction
[11:16:28] <CaptHindsight> yes, odd things go for very low
[11:16:35] <PetefromTn_> and there were a bunch of old retired guys there that it almost seemed like a pissin match to see who bid the most for the junk they were selling
[11:16:43] <_methods> i was shaking i was so excited
[11:16:49] <_methods> i thought for sure someone would bid me up
[11:16:58] <_methods> boom closed at $150
[11:16:59] <malcom2073> Around here I have to fight the amish for linear actuators. They take them apart and use the bearings to make wood lathe sliders heh
[11:17:07] <_methods> hahahhah
[11:17:11] <malcom2073> It's actually pretty cool what they do with them, but a total waste of the technology
[11:17:14] <mozmck> Yep, can happen. I bought an Asymtek fluid dispensing machine that we still use to dispense solder paste on prototype boards for $150
[11:17:18] <CaptHindsight> _methods: refrigerant recycler?
[11:17:24] <_methods> no coolant
[11:17:29] <_methods> milling machine coolant
[11:17:47] <_methods> you put a hose in the tank and it pulls all the coolant out, filters it, then you pump it back in
[11:17:57] <PetefromTn_> OOh I need one of those
[11:18:06] <_methods> yah it's the bomb
[11:18:17] <_methods> the last shop i was at had it all built into the shop
[11:18:23] <PetefromTn_> jeez man you got all the cool toys heh
[11:18:24] <_methods> they had a central recycler
[11:18:49] <_methods> and spigots at machine that you just poured coolant into yoru machine when you needed fresh coolant
[11:19:02] <PetefromTn_> coolant on tap
[11:19:03] <Connor> I've been looking for a lathe on CL for months now.. no luck.
[11:19:21] <mozmck> Connor: what kind of lathe?
[11:19:24] <mozmck> cnc?
[11:19:25] <_methods> yeah coolant is a huge time waster for operators
[11:19:38] <_methods> if they have to mix it and whatnot
[11:19:42] <Connor> So, I'm thinking of the 11x26 G9972Z or the 10x22 G0602
[11:20:11] <mozmck> there are quite a few in the dallas area - I don't know where you are though.
[11:20:26] <Connor> Knoxville, TN
[11:20:39] <mozmck> little ways away
[11:23:15] <Connor> Yea.
[11:23:23] <Connor> looking to stay around $1500.00
[11:23:24] <PetefromTn_> http://tricities.craigslist.org/tls/4850441560.html HAhahahaha
[11:23:24] <GMendez> hi
[11:23:53] <Connor> http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM1030.html
[11:23:59] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: seems legit
[11:24:00] <malcom2073> :P
[11:24:17] <Connor> looks like a good lathe too.. PM 10x22 $1599.00 + $149.00 Freight
[11:24:37] <GMendez> I have trouble setting up axis on MESA 5i25 with NO daughter (it's a custom one) axis x/y/z/a are okay but cant find out for B axis...
[11:24:40] <Connor> Only one of it's size that I've found that has powered crossfeed.
[11:25:19] <PetefromTn_> man I paid less than that for my 12x36 jeez
[11:25:41] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yes, and you told me the story on how you got it too... I'm not so lucky on deals these days.
[11:26:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah but they are out there
[11:26:10] <PetefromTn_> decide what you REALLY want and don't settle
[11:26:19] <Connor> and, it might be too large.. I need to go measure my workbench.. this might be a complete pipe dream.
[11:26:21] <PetefromTn_> post ads on craigslist wanting
[11:26:40] <PetefromTn_> you would be amazed at what I have gotten that way
[11:27:19] <Connor> Honestly.. I'm not even sure why I want the damn thing.. :)
[11:27:24] <_methods> hahahahha
[11:27:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh I do
[11:27:28] <Connor> I need to finish getting the mill back together.
[11:27:34] <_methods> http://imgur.com/foiHVqc,OMwcg99,Bcf9Pef,luHL9MV,fJpVg0P
[11:27:38] <PetefromTn_> I would give my left nut to have that 12x36 back right now LOL
[11:27:39] <_methods> my deal of the century
[11:28:00] <PetefromTn_> nice
[11:28:03] <_methods> $150
[11:28:07] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[11:28:11] <_methods> yep
[11:28:14] <Connor> freaking little mini lathe motor is stalling out on startup.. not sure why.
[11:28:31] <PetefromTn_> because it's a mini lathe hehe
[11:28:44] <Connor> No.. I think the motor is toast.
[11:28:53] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks
[11:28:59] <SpeedEvil> It's probably not designed for the massive torque of startup.
[11:29:01] <Connor> I may have ran it too fast, or too hot.
[11:29:18] <Connor> SpeedEvil: What, just spinning the chuck ?
[11:29:43] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:30:04] <Connor> having the same issue with my 4x6 belt sander too.. which is a HF deal, so, that Doesn't surprise me..
[11:30:08] <PetefromTn_> and ya gotta be willing to go get the machine when you find it too..
[11:31:33] <malcom2073> I've burned out HF motors before, had a horizontal bandsaw I burned the motor out on just cutting through some 4" square stock. Wound up replacing the motor
[11:31:37] <Connor> Well.. First Priority is getting the Kitchen back together.. I'm slowly working on it. I got the drain plumbing done. Now I need to rip out a tad more sheet rock and deal with the supply plumbing.. and then re-sheetrock and install cabinets.
[11:32:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah my 4x6 bandsaw puked a motor once
[11:33:10] <PetefromTn_> I put an industrial 1hp motor on it from tractor supply
[11:33:33] <PetefromTn_> then I got the 7x12 and sold it with a smile on my face
[11:34:22] <PetefromTn_> I used to have one of those delta drum sanders here for making cabinet doors etc.
[11:34:25] <jdh> my 4x6 is still on the stock blade
[11:34:43] <Connor> jdh: That's because you don't do much with it. :)
[11:34:46] <PetefromTn_> that thing would come in real handy doing brushed finishes on aluminum parts I think wish I had never sold it.
[11:34:50] <Connor> *poke* :)
[11:35:10] <PetefromTn_> wow the original blade?
[11:35:23] <Connor> I have a little 1" Belt sander from HF too..
[11:35:25] <PetefromTn_> I don't think that thing lasted more than a dozen cuts
[11:35:44] <jdh> I don't do much with it. 98% aluminum
[11:36:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah but still that is amazing for one of those chinese blades. they suck in my experience LOL
[11:36:49] <PetefromTn_> lennox or starrett are a million times better
[11:36:57] <jdh> I have a better bimetal one waiting
[11:37:00] <PetefromTn_> and not really that much more expensive
[11:37:24] <PetefromTn_> the blade in my saw right now has a kink in it. It is really annoying
[11:37:34] <PetefromTn_> but it still cuts so good I hate to swap it for the new one
[11:37:48] <PetefromTn_> I may take it out and try to beat the kink out or something
[11:38:22] <PetefromTn_> it got caught in a piece of tubing when the vise slipped because I did not tighten it down properly DOh
[11:41:08] <GMendez> where can i found pin mapping 5i25mesa to db25 (P3 connector?)cause the one inf the package is wrong
[11:41:21] <jthornton> dmesg
[11:42:07] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/pins.html
[11:43:58] <GMendez> jthornton: thx, gonna look that <3
[11:50:23] <pcw_home> GMendez
[11:50:24] <pcw_home> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --readhmid
[11:50:26] <pcw_home> will print out the current pinout(as defined by the firmware) of your 5i25
[11:53:29] <GMendez> pcw_home: yes thank its works
[11:53:44] <GMendez> i have a trouble so, no stepDir #4 mapped...
[11:54:07] <GMendez> stepGen dir#4 i mean
[11:54:14] <GMendez> i have the step but not the dir
[11:54:46] <GMendez> what can i do to add the sStepGen Dir#4 on my p3 connector
[11:55:03] <pcw_home> what configuration?
[11:55:23] <GMendez> factory
[11:55:43] <GMendez> never flashed the board as far as i know
[11:56:03] <pcw_home> many standard configurations use s stepgen for a chargepump (so it has no dir pin)
[11:56:32] <pcw_home> AFAICR G540 MX3660 are like this
[11:56:34] <GMendez> dont get it. I have dir for 4 other axis
[11:57:27] <GMendez> i used pnconf to get a model HAL file and I hve edited the file to add 2 others axis , limit etc...
[11:57:58] <pcw_home> you may have dir for 64 axis but its still possible some DIR pins are missing if they are intended for use as charge pumps
[11:58:25] <GMendez> well I'm okay with that so
[11:58:33] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Check your PM
[11:58:40] <GMendez> what can i do to add the missing Dir to be mapped on my P3 connector
[11:58:49] <GMendez> (thanks a lot btw)
[11:59:31] <pcw_home> that requires a custom bitfile (or you need to find a standard bitfile that has 4 full stepgens on P3)
[12:00:39] <Connor> pcw_home: You need to come up with a bitfile wizard..
[12:00:49] <GMendez> umm never heard of bitfile. I have the source code of my current mesa firmware (send by Mesa) Perphase i can edit and flash the code
[12:01:09] <pcw_home> for example the probrfx2 pinout has 4 stepgens
[12:01:11] <Connor> GMendez: PCW = Mesa :)
[12:01:31] <pcw_home> well Mesa >PCW
[12:01:59] <pcw_home> but I am the chief bottlewasher
[12:02:01] <GMendez> i have 4 full step gen, and 1more without Dir
[12:02:05] <malcom2073> Has anyone noticed google results for practicalmachinest randomly redirecting to a... less than legitimate and not very work safe website on occasion? I've noticed it on several different PC's, at several different locations now over the past few months.
[12:02:27] <malcom2073> But then if I go to the same link again, it works and goes to PM as expected
[12:02:35] <cradek> are you sometimes misspelling it as machinest?
[12:02:40] <Connor> malcom2073: Probably have some sort of malware on the site
[12:02:56] <malcom2073> cradek: I'm clicking a google link, not typing it in, and hitting back and clicking the same link goes the proper place
[12:03:17] <cradek> machinest is a common misspelling and some evil person might squat on it
[12:03:32] <malcom2073> Connor: I figured maybe, which is why I asked if anyone else was seeing it
[12:04:09] <cradek> practicalmachinist.com loads fine for me
[12:04:55] <malcom2073> It loads fine 99% of the time, but occasionally it'll redirect
[12:05:14] <malcom2073> I've only noticed the redirect when clicking on a link off of google for PM
[12:05:46] <malcom2073> I figured it may be malware, but it's done it on three PC's now, two of which aren't windows
[12:06:00] <malcom2073> This time,it was teh first time I'dever gone to PM on this machine, and it did it.
[12:07:15] <cradek> universalPixelApi.init("nufag15", ["4dc2xy2"], "https://insight.adsrvr.org/track/up", "ttdUniversalPixelTag3802d46abc82408fb6b30408493a56ed");
[12:07:38] <cradek> there's advertising/tracking bullshit all throughout the front page's source, so who knows what it's doing
[12:08:15] <cradek> <!-- Do NOT remove this copyright notice. Doing so is a violation of your user agreement! --> [some tracking code here]
[12:08:23] <malcom2073> lol
[12:08:35] <malcom2073> hmm, now I'm seeing a database error on their main site
[12:09:31] <malcom2073> working now, my tracker-watcher sees 21 trackers
[12:09:35] <malcom2073> that's almost as many as buzzfeed
[12:15:27] <skunkworks> there are a ton of issues with re-directs - even with homeshopmachinist..
[12:15:56] <skunkworks> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/65978-Forum-Issue
[12:16:56] <malcom2073> Probably some advertisement image has something in it
[12:20:44] <zeeshan|2> i can't figure out this python component issue
[12:21:12] <zeeshan|2> http://pastebin.com/0kmgJ2tb
[12:21:21] <zeeshan|2> the code works okay through halrun
[12:21:41] <zeeshan|2> but if i try to loadusr -W vfd.py
[12:21:43] <zeeshan|2> it waits forever
[12:22:02] <zeeshan|2> says "waiting vfd.py to become ready" or something along those lines
[12:22:16] <zeeshan|2> i have 3 ready() calls made in there..
[12:27:04] <Cromaglious> anyone using inkscape and gcodetools?
[12:33:03] <renesis> i tried
[12:33:44] <renesis> pretty sure i need to adjust some parameters it was making all sorts of unwanted tangent lines along the path
[12:34:21] <renesis> i would really rather use inkscape than solidworks and fusion360 for 2d engraving stuff
[12:34:49] <renesis> looks like next step is digging through forums
[12:45:01] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptkzzNaZb7U
[12:45:14] <_methods> hehe microwave heat sensor
[12:54:57] <_methods> where the hell do you download gcodetools at
[12:55:08] <_methods> can't seem to find the download link
[13:01:43] <dirty_d> how do i make linuxcnc forget that a tool is loaded so that it does a manual tool change every time a M06 is executed?
[13:04:40] <_methods> forget that a tool is loaded?
[13:05:28] <_methods> you just want it to do a toolchange?
[13:05:33] <dirty_d> right
[13:05:39] <_methods> just give it a m6
[13:05:43] <_methods> with no tool callout
[13:06:15] <_methods> it should do a toolchange to whatever is in pot
[13:07:00] <dirty_d> if i re-run the program it no longer pauses after the M6
[13:07:10] <_methods> is it just a m6
[13:07:12] <dirty_d> it only does the first time its run
[13:07:16] <_methods> or do you have a T on it
[13:07:37] <_methods> you could always just use a m1
[13:07:38] <dirty_d> just M06
[13:07:45] <_methods> if you just want a pause
[13:08:01] <_methods> or m00
[13:08:33] <dirty_d> hmm, the m01 didnt do anything
[13:08:40] <_methods> it's option stop
[13:08:46] <_methods> you hve to have option stop pon
[13:08:49] <_methods> s/pon/on
[13:09:20] <dirty_d> where is that?
[13:09:21] <_methods> that way if you don't want to stop you can just turn option stop off
[13:09:58] <_methods> hmm good question lol
[13:10:07] <_methods> is there an op stop toggle in axis?
[13:10:25] <_methods> in machine menu
[13:10:28] <_methods> the drop down
[13:10:33] <_methods> there is a stop at m1 option
[13:10:45] <_methods> assuming you are using axis
[13:11:36] <_methods> symbol looks like a pause button
[13:11:40] <dirty_d> oh i see it
[13:11:48] <_methods> keyboard shortcut is alt-m-1
[13:13:46] <dirty_d> hmm
[13:13:52] <dirty_d> next problem, lol
[13:14:09] <dirty_d> i need to be able to jog after the M1 to zero the new tool against the workpiece
[13:14:12] <_methods> hehe shoot
[13:14:20] <dirty_d> i dont have an atc or indexable tools
[13:14:28] <_methods> yep
[13:14:47] <_methods> you probably want to set up a tool change position i believe
[13:15:30] <dirty_d> seems to be machine zero by default
[13:15:35] <dirty_d> if i use M6
[13:16:18] <dirty_d> but i wouldnt mind if the program just paused, let me jog and load a new tool, jog to zero, then unpause the program
[13:17:24] <_methods> i think most people with no tool changer have a tool change position set up and it will automatically move to that position when you want to do a tool change
[13:17:34] <_methods> away from your workpiece
[13:17:46] <_methods> and somewhere easy to change the tool then set the height
[13:17:52] <jthornton> dirt just break your program up at tool changes
[13:17:58] <_methods> that too
[13:18:45] <dirty_d> oh i guess i just need to hit stop while its paused, jog, hit run, then hit unpause
[13:20:00] <dirty_d> can you set the tool change position relative to the work zero?
[13:20:27] <_methods> i set mine relative to machine position not work position
[13:20:41] <_methods> my work positions could be all over
[13:20:51] <_methods> i want it to move to teh same spot every time for a toolchange
[13:21:09] <_methods> not some random location relative to a work coordinate
[13:21:13] <dirty_d> the only reason i wouldnt wanna do that is i have no machine zero, because i have no switches
[13:21:46] <_methods> well even without switches if you set your machine zero in a similar spot every time you should be fine
[13:21:50] <dirty_d> true
[13:22:18] <dirty_d> i can just use marker to mark each axis and that would be pretty close
[13:22:26] <_methods> yeah
[13:22:44] <_methods> that's probably the best way if you dont' feel like messing with switches
[13:23:05] <_methods> but if your power goes out you're kinda screwed tryin to pick back up with no switches
[13:23:44] <dirty_d> youd have to rezero against the workpiece anyway wouldnt you?
[13:23:59] <_methods> well if you record your work zero relative to machine zero
[13:23:59] <dirty_d> i wouldnt imagine those switches are accurate to a thou are they?
[13:24:08] <_methods> you can just move back to that point and reset zero
[13:24:26] <_methods> at least it's something kinda repeatable
[13:24:33] <_methods> but i'm not sayin it's 100%
[13:24:36] <_methods> or accurate lol
[13:25:58] <toast-work> why?
[13:26:09] <toast-work> (why would you want a work-relative tool change)
[13:26:16] <dirty_d> damn, lol. it doesnt show the current line when its paused, i was hoping it would so i could put a little comment in there
[13:26:53] <toast-work> generally changer-less machines move the table go to machine Z0, move the table out of the way, then issue a M00
[13:28:12] <malcom2073> My father ran into this, he couldn't get it to set offset while paused, he wound up splitting his program into 4 different programs and manually tool changing re-zeroing inbetween
[13:28:28] <malcom2073> What's the proper way to do that?
[13:29:10] <_methods> offset while paused?
[13:29:36] <malcom2073> Let me ask, I think he couldn't get it to jog Z while paused, so he couldn't set tool zero
[13:29:45] <_methods> ahh
[13:29:56] <_methods> well it won't move while it's m00 or m01
[13:30:10] <malcom2073> So how do you zero a new tool?
[13:30:15] <_methods> so what i'd do is put a 123 block or something of known height and set all tools to it
[13:30:34] <malcom2073> ah
[13:30:41] <_methods> loosen collet
[13:30:50] <_methods> drop cutter down to height block
[13:30:52] <_methods> tighten collet
[13:30:57] <_methods> slide height out
[13:31:01] <malcom2073> yeah, that makes sense, just set his tool change positio nto a place that works with that
[13:31:06] <_methods> yeah
[13:31:15] <_methods> then all your z's will be the same or similar
[13:31:17] <malcom2073> Great, I'll let him know, he was beating his head against the wall on that heh
[13:31:28] <_methods> you could have diff known height blocks
[13:31:34] <_methods> and that would determine your z
[13:32:37] <_methods> 123 block with some jo blocks on it for diff heights
[13:33:03] <PetefromTn_> I wish that would work heh
[13:33:20] <malcom2073> I sent him an email suggesting that
[13:33:31] <_methods> what?
[13:33:59] <_methods> for you PetefromTn_ i'd use a height gage and a cat40 holder like andypugh
[13:34:15] <_methods> poor man's presetter
[13:34:18] <PetefromTn_> I do my tool changes and heights in the machine
[13:34:35] <PetefromTn_> and I have a height gauge and granite plate but I never use it for that
[13:35:10] <PetefromTn_> but I am here to tell you that I TRIED to do as you said bring the cutter to a certain point and then change tools in the collet and pull the tool down to the 123 block etc.
[13:35:22] <_methods> not close enough?
[13:35:23] <PetefromTn_> problem is that the collet pulls the tool UP into itself when you tighten
[13:35:26] <_methods> yeah
[13:35:34] <_methods> this is true
[13:35:40] <PetefromTn_> so you would be fiddle farting around an awful lot trying to get it right
[13:35:51] <PetefromTn_> unless .005 is good enough for you I suppose
[13:36:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly from what I saw you would be lucky to get that close
[13:36:57] <PetefromTn_> the only real answer for a machine that does not have repeatable toolholders is electronic touch off of each tool during the program that I can see..
[13:37:58] <skunkworks> you can setup a tool hight sensor. Set the first tool - then measure the rest.
[13:38:13] <PetefromTn_> with linuxCNC not having jog while paused that makes it necessary to have some kinda custom macro to make this happen and I would think some special tool table settings too
[13:38:30] <PetefromTn_> can you do that?
[13:38:35] <skunkworks> yes
[13:38:46] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure how the tool table would be updated for each tool?
[13:38:53] <PetefromTn_> during the program running
[13:39:35] <PetefromTn_> it that is possible at all it would be way better to do that for a CNC router with non consistent tool placement in the collet than anything else
[13:39:44] <PetefromTn_> if
[13:39:48] <skunkworks> right
[13:40:19] <PetefromTn_> on my Cinci I just touch off all tools before the program runs and everything is fine because cat40 is repeatable
[13:40:50] <skunkworks> right - if you have indiviual tools - that works wonderfully
[13:40:55] <PetefromTn_> but with the routers etc that do not have special toolholders or other means of repeatable tool placement an electronic touch pad is the way to go..
[13:41:14] <PetefromTn_> honestly I want BOTH LOL
[13:41:16] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=nc_files/tool-length-probe.ngc;h=8b41233d2afe19ef6b9f17706108d0eb356f066b;hb=HEAD
[13:41:29] <PetefromTn_> I am working on a tool probe setup here slowly LOL
[13:42:31] <PetefromTn_> OK nice... glad to know it has been done I figured it must have..
[13:43:01] <toast-work> r8 is also repeatable IF you don't use r8 collets
[13:43:11] <toast-work> investing in some endmill holders and er16 collets
[13:43:50] <zeeshan-mill> what pin is used to set the speed when you call like a m3 s1000?
[13:43:56] <zeeshan-mill> i need to scale it before i pass it to vfd
[13:44:10] <PetefromTn_> how do you set the G30 position?
[13:44:11] <cradek> zeeshan-mill: motion has a variety of spindle-speed-out type pins
[13:44:22] <skunkworks> in the ini
[13:44:37] <skunkworks> then g30.1 iirc
[13:44:37] <cradek> zeeshan-mill: normally you can just set the dac's scaling
[13:44:46] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[13:44:46] <cradek> g30 position is not in the ini file
[13:44:58] <skunkworks> cradek, for the tool chane position
[13:45:09] <cradek> tool change position IS in the ini file
[13:45:33] <cradek> or you can use g30 for the tool change position by setting an ini option, in which case the position is not in the ini file
[13:45:33] <skunkworks> I communicate very well
[13:45:39] <cradek> it's clear as mud
[13:46:01] <PetefromTn_> so for instance I use the G59.3 position for my tool touchoff position now
[13:46:14] <PetefromTn_> how would you setup the G30 to that position?
[13:46:19] <zeeshan-mill> im using modbus
[13:46:23] <zeeshan-mill> so i dont have a dac
[13:46:32] <PetefromTn_> for the time when I actually get off my ass and build this tool touch off probe heh
[13:46:39] <Tom_itx> zeeshan never sleeps
[13:46:43] <zeeshan-mill> i have a pin called freqset that takes a hz value
[13:46:48] <zeeshan-mill> lol tom
[13:46:54] <zeeshan-mill> 1 hr sleep a night isok
[13:47:22] <Crom_> what freeware works for converting SVG to gcode?
[13:47:25] <PetefromTn_> he's a busy little beaver huh
[13:49:10] <Crom_> ugh inkscape is nice, but I haven't gotten gcodetools to output a file yet
[13:51:38] <_methods> yeah i'm tryin to get it workin now
[13:51:47] <_methods> i got it to output an empty file lol
[13:58:56] <Rab> Works great for me, maybe I can help?
[13:59:09] <_methods> i'm sure i'm doing something wrong
[13:59:17] <_methods> probably the tool size or something
[13:59:23] <_methods> i put it on a layer and selected tool
[13:59:32] <_methods> but whne i path it the .ngc file is empty
[13:59:33] <Rab> Are all your shapes paths? Gcodetools won't export non-path shapes.
[14:00:01] <_methods> yeah it's all paths i think it's my tool vs path size
[14:00:36] <_methods> i just change thetool size in the text box?
[14:01:11] <_methods> well i see paths now at least
[14:01:21] <_methods> hah
[14:01:27] <_methods> got a gcode file with something in it
[14:01:28] <_methods> cool
[14:01:30] <Rab> I didn't think gcodetools took the path width into account.
[14:01:52] <_methods> oh hell i bet it was running in the background and i thought it was done
[14:01:53] <_methods> lol
[14:02:09] <Rab> Yeah, processing can take a while.
[14:02:39] <Rab> When it's done it will add another layer showing the toolpaths.
[14:02:47] <_methods> yeah it did
[14:02:57] <Tom_itx> probably made the file huge too
[14:02:57] <_methods> hey what's a good open source gcode simulator
[14:03:03] <_methods> i don't have cimco on this box
[14:03:08] <Rab> LinuxCNC
[14:03:15] <_methods> i don't have that on this box eithe rlol
[14:03:25] <PetefromTn_> I used CNCsimpro for awhile
[14:03:37] <PetefromTn_> works good once you get the machine parameters setup right
[14:03:44] <Rab> There are a bunch of web-based simulators, but they all use the same webGL engine and I don't have that in my browser.
[14:03:48] <PetefromTn_> and it is kind of confusing about how to do that.
[14:04:17] <Crom_> object to path doesn't seem to do anything for me
[14:04:35] <_methods> you have to make paths objects first
[14:04:43] <_methods> what are you doing a jpg?
[14:04:45] <_methods> dxf
[14:04:51] <_methods> what's your source file
[14:05:44] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[14:06:44] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-based-mobile-manipulation-bot-due-soon/
[14:06:52] <_methods> haha yeah saw that
[14:06:57] <Crom_> right now working on a dxf
[14:08:13] <Rab> With gcodetools, make sure to combine continuous path elements with Ctrl-K; you may have to join path nodes manually. Otherwise gcodetools will happily do a tool plunge for each little segment of an apparently continuous path.
[14:08:22] <Crom_> getting flatcam right now as well
[14:10:00] <Crom_> that's the thing it's a drawing of a fox and there is a shitload of plunges required
[14:10:43] <Crom_> I'm setting Z to go and down a max of 0.050"
[14:13:56] <_methods> yeah use ctrlk like Rab said
[14:16:07] <Rab> Gcodetools does what it says, but it's nothing close to real CAM.
[14:17:02] <_methods> meh looks pretty cool to me for just doing some quick jpg stuff
[14:19:49] <anarchos2> lol, just got a mini 3" machining vise (made in china) and it looks like they put it into the bag while the paint was still wet.
[14:19:53] <marmite> Diy vacuumpump v2: http://youtu.be/8dn4n4Bx1pc new version of my vacuum rigg
[14:19:57] <anarchos2> crinkles and lines and stuff all over it
[14:21:17] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/spacer-toolpaths.png
[14:21:21] <Rab> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/spacer.jpg
[14:21:31] <Rab> ^^ little project w/gcodetools
[14:21:53] <jdh> did you try image-to-gcode?
[14:22:46] <Rab> jdh, I haven't.
[14:23:06] <Rab> This? http://www.thuijzer.nl/image2gcode/
[14:23:33] <jdh> no, built in to linuxcnc
[14:23:37] <Rab> Oh, I see
[14:23:40] <Rab> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/image-to-gcode.html
[14:23:51] <jdh> just open a jpeg from axis
[14:24:00] <PetefromTn_> marmite nice man but it says private video heh
[14:24:09] <_methods> ahh cool
[14:24:32] <marmite> try again
[14:24:33] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ put some quarters in the slot an it'll play
[14:25:29] <Rab> marmite, two pumps?
[14:25:50] <marmite> yeah wanted alittle more then just one
[14:26:08] <Rab> What kind of pumps are those?
[14:26:17] <PetefromTn_> neato
[14:26:22] <marmite> and i an a singel pump on 15v but i dident want that:D so got 2 on 12v insteed
[14:26:26] <PetefromTn_> vacuum clamping is pretty cool huh
[14:26:48] <marmite> volvo 740 cruise controll pumps
[14:26:51] <marmite> :D
[14:26:56] <_methods> hah found this simulator that is free and seems to work pretty well
[14:27:01] <_methods> http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~gershon/NCSim/
[14:27:06] <Rab> marmite, cool!
[14:27:08] <_methods> winderrs though
[14:27:29] <_methods> source is on the page though
[14:29:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah for engraving and light milling of parts vacuum clamping is the cats ass..
[14:29:45] <SpeedEvil> It's better on venus.
[14:30:10] <PetefromTn_> everything's better on venus man..
[14:34:00] <_abc_> Hi guys, What's the latest live cd or dvd release of linuxcnc? Something newer than ubuntu 10.04 lts based please?
[14:34:07] <_abc_> I already have that
[14:34:13] <Rab> NCSim working OK in Wine, sorta...renders the gcode, I haven't gotten it to display the running sim yet.
[14:34:30] <_methods> yeah sorry i'm on a winderrs box at work
[14:34:39] <_methods> i guess i could have found something linux in a vm
[14:35:15] <Crom_> well image2gcode is gonna take awhile
[14:36:11] <PetefromTn_> Rab thats a cool little box you made with the gcode tools
[14:36:22] <Rab> PetefromTn_, thanks!
[14:37:07] <Rab> The box itself is a diecast Hammond enclosure, it wasn't tall enough so I made a polycarbonate spacer.
[14:37:12] <PCW> _abc_ latest is LinuxCNC 2.6.5 on Debian Wheezy
[14:37:20] <_abc_> PCW thanks!
[14:39:17] <PetefromTn_> well it looks good
[14:39:34] <PetefromTn_> plastic is fun to machine I think. cuts like butter and looks cool
[14:39:44] <_abc_> PCW: wheezy is non systemd based right?
[14:39:49] <_methods> it won't break a damn chip
[14:39:51] <_methods> stringy mess
[14:40:09] <PetefromTn_> on the lathe yeah
[14:40:14] <_methods> yeah
[14:40:24] <_methods> machining isn't too bad
[14:40:28] <PetefromTn_> I have made tons of feet of plastic delrin string LOL
[14:40:34] <_methods> hehe
[14:40:42] <Rab> PetefromTn_, polycarb is tough. The first prototype of that spacer didn't work out, so I tried to beak it...wasn't happening.
[14:40:44] <_methods> Rab: you put all those paths on diff layers?
[14:41:05] <Rab> _methods, yeah.
[14:41:28] <Rab> I exported each path as its own job. Kinda time-consuming.
[14:41:38] <_methods> well it's free
[14:41:43] <_methods> and it works
[14:41:47] <_methods> mine is making gcode
[14:41:53] <Rab> But both sides of the spacer needed to be milled, and I think there was a tool change too.
[14:41:56] <_methods> that's all i need to know
[14:42:07] <Rab> yah man
[14:43:33] <Rab> Having said that, I'm a little frustrated with all the fiddling around. Going to try PyCAM as soon as the router is running again.
[14:43:46] <PetefromTn_> I know there are free programs like that for 2d toolpathing but every one I looked at was very limited and buggy and annoying. I am not sure the benefit of just free over something like CamBam or even sheeetcam or others...
[14:44:40] <PetefromTn_> I wish there was a good free cam program out there and maybe someday there will be
[14:44:49] <zeeshan-mill> HEHEE
[14:44:56] <zeeshan-mill> this thing is raping some aluminum right now
[14:45:12] <zeeshan-mill> i need a z axis way cover!
[14:45:17] <PetefromTn_> your machine is working?
[14:45:25] <zeeshan-mill> yea since yesterday! :D
[14:45:29] <PetefromTn_> awesome!
[14:45:36] <PetefromTn_> what did you wind up doing to fix it?
[14:45:46] <zeeshan-mill> move l2 to l1 for power
[14:45:56] <zeeshan-mill> pcw was right :D
[14:46:11] <zeeshan-mill> these drives are shit
[14:46:13] <PetefromTn_> hehe he usually is
[14:46:16] <zeeshan-mill> theyre not protected like my vfd
[14:46:44] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had half that guys knowledge
[14:46:51] <zeeshan-mill> okay now i can make some stuff for my gf
[14:46:52] <zeeshan-mill> for valentines
[14:46:53] <zeeshan-mill> haha
[14:47:01] <PetefromTn_> Ooh thats a good idea
[14:47:05] <PetefromTn_> what are you gonna make?
[14:47:14] <PetefromTn_> still got threaded drawbar?
[14:47:14] <zeeshan-mill> shes been putting up with my non sense for 4 months
[14:47:18] <zeeshan-mill> haha yea
[14:47:30] <zeeshan-mill> i can't afford to blow money on fixing it this month
[14:47:35] <zeeshan-mill> ill order parts next month
[14:47:43] <PetefromTn_> understand that scenario
[14:47:48] <PetefromTn_> I live there LOL
[14:47:53] <zeeshan-mill> its doing the job though
[14:47:55] <zeeshan-mill> annoying a bit
[14:48:02] <zeeshan-mill> cause machine has no locking gear
[14:48:21] <PetefromTn_> locking gear?
[14:48:24] <zeeshan-mill> like a brake
[14:48:36] <PetefromTn_> for what?
[14:48:44] <zeeshan-mill> for some reason i can still spin the back gear
[14:48:50] <zeeshan-mill> to loosen the drawbar
[14:49:18] <PetefromTn_> video? or it didn't happen ;)
[14:51:37] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7309/16313739237_c1fd497d4b_h.jpg
[14:51:39] <zeeshan|2> pic from last night
[14:51:50] <malcom2073> Nice zeeshan|2, glad you're up and running and cutting now
[14:52:02] <malcom2073> Man get that drywall painted with some oil resistant paint :P
[14:52:14] <zeeshan|2> notice how im holding my vise down
[14:52:14] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[14:52:22] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: lol
[14:52:23] <malcom2073> Is that allthread?
[14:52:30] <zeeshan|2> no
[14:52:35] <zeeshan|2> keep guessing whats going on there
[14:52:38] <zeeshan|2> its such a hack haha
[14:52:39] <malcom2073> Ohhh
[14:52:46] <malcom2073> The lock nuts at the top keep the bottom from spinning
[14:52:50] <malcom2073> so youcan tighten it down?
[14:52:57] <zeeshan|2> haha yea
[14:53:01] <malcom2073> ghetto :)
[14:53:03] <zeeshan|2> its a regular hex head bolt
[14:53:07] <PetefromTn_> that looks like it would be such a nice small shop machine really..
[14:53:12] <zeeshan|2> but you cant get the wrench in to hold it
[14:53:17] <malcom2073> yeah
[14:53:21] <PetefromTn_> what the hell kind of vise is that?
[14:53:30] <zeeshan|2> absolutely no idea pete
[14:53:32] <zeeshan|2> got it with the bridgeport
[14:53:44] <zeeshan|2> i like it cause front jaw stays fixed
[14:53:59] <zeeshan|2> and opens to like 8
[14:54:00] <zeeshan|2> 8"
[14:54:07] <zeeshan|2> or 7" i forget
[14:54:07] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[14:54:17] <PetefromTn_> does the jaws pull down?
[14:54:23] <jdh> making t nuts?
[14:54:44] <zeeshan|2> whatcha mean jaws pull down
[14:54:50] <zeeshan|2> jdh yes
[14:55:00] <zeeshan|2> these are the "precise t-nuts"
[14:55:02] <PetefromTn_> I mean do the jaws pull down as they tighten
[14:55:09] <Crom_> ok I uploaded a file, where is the download? http://www.thuijzer.nl/image2gcode/
[14:55:22] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: no i dont thinkso
[14:55:27] <zeeshan|2> cause i still have to beat it with a deadblow
[14:55:32] <PetefromTn_> OK
[14:55:45] <jdh> I'd like a vise like that
[14:56:21] <zeeshan|2> is there a fabric/cloth you can buy for cheap
[14:56:27] <zeeshan|2> that is oil/water resistanct
[14:56:40] <zeeshan|2> my Y uses a sheet to cover the ball screw
[14:56:53] <zeeshan|2> but its too small
[14:57:09] <zeeshan|2> i wanna use the same type of sheet for the Z axis
[14:57:12] <PetefromTn_> I used some plastic/rubber sheeting from Home depot on the RF45 build. it was pretty tough and had ribs in it..
[14:57:25] <zeeshan|2> do you remember what it was called?
[14:57:29] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to remember what it wsa used for
[14:58:00] <PetefromTn_> it was about a heavy 1/16" thick or so.
[14:58:09] <zeeshan|2> that will be perfect
[14:58:11] <zeeshan|2> it was flexible too?
[14:58:19] <PetefromTn_> I think I still have some out there but I cannot remember what it is made for or the name
[14:58:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah relativley flexible
[14:58:37] <PetefromTn_> worked good for what I used it for an lasted a long time
[14:58:40] <zeeshan|2> would a regular drop cloth work?
[14:58:59] <zeeshan|2> actuallyn m
[14:59:03] <zeeshan|2> that stuff is absorbent
[14:59:30] <zeeshan|2> brb
[15:06:28] <fluffybitchx> got the steppers on the mill... now need to try fixing the x axis.
[15:07:24] <fluffybitchx> also have a problem on the y axis too... for the last 2" of travel, it binds really badly, and you can barely crank it. my first thought was the plate that holds the bearing was misaligned, but its position is fixed with dowels. anything else could make it do that?
[15:09:14] <Crom_> bent screw?
[15:09:34] <Crom_> crud in the threads?
[15:09:44] <Crom_> bent rail?
[15:10:29] <skunkworks> what mill?
[15:11:01] <Crom_> fluffyb's problem
[15:11:31] <Crom_> ugh apt-get update takes so freaking long
[15:13:30] <Crom_> 12:52 do I have enough time to install 28MB worth of heeks
[15:14:58] <witnit_> fluffybitchx, can you get pictures of leadscrew/nut when its starting to bind?
[15:19:47] <fluffybitchx> it looks normal
[15:19:48] <zeeshan> fluffybitchx: got a dial indicator?
[15:19:58] <fluffybitchx> not findable
[15:20:23] <fluffybitchx> no crud in threads, no visible runout, ways are clean.
[15:21:21] <zeeshan> remove the lead nut
[15:21:26] <zeeshan> and try moving the axis by hand
[15:21:28] <zeeshan> slide it
[15:21:42] <zeeshan> i dont know if you have gibs on this thing
[15:21:43] <fluffybitchx> easier said than done...
[15:21:57] <zeeshan> but if somene readjusted the machine at a worn part of the machine
[15:21:59] <fluffybitchx> it has gibs, and they're currently adjusted a little loose, didn't help.
[15:22:01] <zeeshan> itll get tight
[15:22:05] <zeeshan> o
[15:22:31] <fluffybitchx> my sherline has that problem... it apparantly made the same part for a very long time, and it likes living in that part of the ways now. heh.
[15:23:43] <fluffybitchx> a bent screw is a definite possibility... there's a lot of bent things.
[15:25:20] <anarchos2> i had a simular binding issue on my z, i just loosened off my ballnut and went up and down a few times, then tightened it back down while it was the position where it used to bind
[15:25:24] <anarchos2> all tickity boo now
[15:26:40] <fluffybitchx> this machine was, from what I could gather from the stories from the last owner, either hit with a forklift or knocked over.
[15:30:12] <Crom_> ugh out of time bbl
[15:46:36] <_abc_> quit
[16:39:09] <jack16> Yeah, got first real chips today!
[16:39:21] <jack16> http://youtu.be/93yl7mbCXd0
[16:42:56] <Deejay> gn8
[16:43:25] <zeeshan> nice!
[16:46:21] <jack16> 3000 mm/min feed rate, 1mm stopover, 20-25 mm vertical engagement. 4 mm straight 2 - flute carbide endmill. 15k rpm
[16:46:33] <zeeshan> wood doesnt look too happy
[16:47:11] <jack16> it's pine, a little tearout on the right
[16:47:23] <zeeshan> i mean
[16:47:28] <zeeshan> it doesnt too happy that it's getting rapedf
[16:47:30] <zeeshan> by carbide :)
[16:47:47] <jack16> 8)
[16:49:15] <jack16> I'm afraid to up feed rate and snap endmill
[16:51:23] <jack16> maybe once I run-in spindle I'll try at higher rpm
[16:51:44] <Tom_itx> with proper feeds and speeds you won't snap an endmill
[16:52:51] <jack16> Yeah, once I snap endmill I'll know proper feed rate
[16:53:01] <_methods> yeah that depth with that little endmill......
[16:54:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Novhxdi.png
[16:54:12] <zeeshan> need opinion
[16:54:19] <zeeshan> i have to contour the outside of that oval
[16:54:30] <zeeshan> im not going all the way thru. stock is .5 , im going .375"
[16:54:44] <zeeshan> i hate how it's going to slot that oval
[16:54:47] <zeeshan> any better ideas?
[16:56:32] <zeeshan> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
[16:56:38] <zeeshan> will they launch in 27m50s?
[16:56:59] <jack16> Hm, image does not show much of the toolpath
[16:57:16] <zeeshan> that construction line
[16:57:17] <zeeshan> oval
[16:57:45] <zeeshan> im just gonna try it :)
[16:58:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand your question
[16:58:23] <zeeshan> you see how it's gonan slot the oval?
[16:58:45] <PetefromTn_> I see an outline oval around the text
[16:58:48] <zeeshan> yes
[16:58:50] <zeeshan> its gonna slot it
[16:59:03] <PetefromTn_> and
[16:59:09] <zeeshan> is there a better tool path
[16:59:12] <zeeshan> than just contouring
[16:59:16] <zeeshan> maybe some sort of ramping in and out
[16:59:20] <zeeshan> while it plunges
[16:59:25] <PetefromTn_> sure
[16:59:41] <jack16> yes, ramping helps
[16:59:43] <PetefromTn_> you don't want to plunge or you will have marks most likely at that spot
[17:00:08] <jack16> HSM-ish slotting will be even easier on endmi
[17:00:11] <PetefromTn_> you can of course do it however you want and then offset the cut path a little for a finish pass on both sides
[17:03:10] <jack16> Something like this: Gosiger - Okuma GENOS - A2 54Rc Scroll - Trochoidal - CAMTool - Sandvik: http://youtu.be/53wxgjhrH8c
[17:03:29] <PetefromTn_> They're saying upper altitude winds are favorable and the weather is gorgeous down there in the cape...DAMN I MISS FLORIDA!!
[17:04:10] <zeeshan> my end mill is .5"
[17:04:12] <zeeshan> slot is .5"
[17:04:12] <zeeshan> :-)
[17:04:25] <zeeshan> i like troichodal milling
[17:04:27] <zeeshan> looks cool
[17:04:39] <zeeshan> pete
[17:04:42] <zeeshan> are you watching the launch?
[17:05:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah but I had forgot about it and just told my customer I would deliver the parts there so I am gonna have to leave as soon as it is gone LOL
[17:05:41] <zeeshan> in 20 min?
[17:05:53] <zeeshan> oh
[17:06:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah but they are there late a lot so it is probably no big deal
[17:06:24] <zeeshan> just tell him youre watching the launch
[17:06:25] <PetefromTn_> we did not set a time or anything i just told them I would be heading over here in a bit
[17:06:30] <zeeshan> america used to watch all the launches
[17:06:32] <zeeshan> it was such a big deal
[17:06:38] <zeeshan> i want those days back
[17:06:43] <zeeshan> hopefully mars changes that
[17:06:47] <PetefromTn_> honestly it is a big deal
[17:06:54] <PetefromTn_> at least it is to me
[17:06:57] <zeeshan> me too
[17:07:01] <zeeshan> but not the avg public
[17:07:05] <zeeshan> the apollo missions
[17:07:10] <zeeshan> almost ALL of america was watching
[17:07:22] <zeeshan> shit most of the world was watching
[17:07:24] <PetefromTn_> especially with all the non govermnment entities involved now
[17:07:33] <PetefromTn_> it is very interesting to me
[17:08:04] <PetefromTn_> but of course being from South Florida and having watched the shuttle launches several times in person I kinda have a special place in my heart for it and NASA
[17:08:35] <zeeshan-mill> awww
[17:08:40] <zeeshan-mill> i wish i saw in real life
[17:09:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is pretty awesome really
[17:09:29] <PetefromTn_> its a shame it became so commonplace people take it for granted anymore
[17:10:38] <jack16> will they try 1st stage recovery again?
[17:10:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently
[17:11:15] <PetefromTn_> they are gonna try to land the rocket boosters on that drone landing craft in the ocean
[17:11:30] <PetefromTn_> pretty damn ambitious really
[17:13:27] <jack16> well they did "land" it last time.
[17:13:43] <PetefromTn_> I don't think that qualifies
[17:15:00] <jack16> For military it would be considered total success
[17:15:01] <_methods> just the fact that they brought it back down on the pad........epic
[17:15:11] <_methods> from orbit
[17:15:13] <_methods> well
[17:15:15] <_methods> not orbit
[17:15:24] <_methods> but all the way up there to almost back on a floating deck
[17:15:38] <_methods> pretty damn impressive
[17:16:06] <zeeshan-mill> how much time left
[17:16:14] <zeeshan-mill> this comp is too slow
[17:16:21] <_methods> 8min
[17:18:22] <jack16> what's 4 metal constructions on launch site?
[17:18:58] <_methods> lightning arrestors
[17:19:11] <_methods> not good when lightning hits your rocket fullof hydrogen
[17:19:36] <_methods> and sensitive electronics lol
[17:21:24] <PetefromTn_> LIGHT THIS CANDLE!!!!
[17:24:09] <_methods> 3
[17:24:10] <_methods> 2
[17:24:10] <_methods> 1
[17:24:13] <_methods> gogoogogog
[17:25:10] <zeeshan> YEA
[17:26:43] <zeeshan> max q baby
[17:27:12] <zeeshan> these guys use some crazy cameras
[17:27:13] <zeeshan> lol
[17:27:30] <zeeshan> that so sexy!
[17:27:34] <zeeshan> that seperation
[17:30:29] <PetefromTn_> AWESOME
[17:30:35] <zeeshan> that camera
[17:30:39] <zeeshan> is crazy
[17:30:41] <zeeshan> need that on the cnc
[17:33:15] <zeeshan> will they recover the first stage :d
[17:33:20] <_methods> god damn stargate
[17:33:34] <_methods> alien head
[17:33:35] <_methods> wtf
[17:33:52] <_methods> we're all gonna die now
[17:34:09] <zeeshan> these guys have some serious gui on their comp
[17:34:37] <_methods> they gonna show the landing?
[17:35:26] <_methods> guess not lol
[17:36:19] <PetefromTn_> That was really cool.. gotta run BBL guys
[17:40:07] <jack16> no recovery attempt today
[17:41:15] <jack16> rough seas they say
[17:41:20] <_methods> booo
[17:42:23] <jack16> they'll try s
[17:42:39] <jack16> soft water landing
[18:16:39] <Rab> Today's little project: http://reboots.g-cipher.net/fcdriver/
[18:17:48] <_methods> nice
[18:24:35] <_methods> hah that nixie tube clock is brilliant
[18:24:37] <_methods> nice work
[18:26:43] <Rab> _methods, thanks!
[18:27:26] <_methods> no thank you
[18:27:29] <_methods> good stuff
[18:28:09] <Rab> If the router had been working back when I did the clock, I wouldn't have had to use hand tools.
[18:28:30] <_methods> indeed
[18:29:25] <_methods> hah love the lamp and the desk
[18:29:28] <_methods> is that a steel case
[18:30:55] <_methods> hehe i should be drawing up my damn bearing blocks but i'm pervin your site
[18:31:37] <Rab> _methods, yeah, steelcase desk.
[18:31:51] <_methods> i love my steelcase
[18:32:05] <_methods> it's a bit cluttered at the moment lol
[18:32:20] <Rab> I got a pair for $30 at gov't auction like 20 years ago...now they go for hundreds on CL. It's crazy.
[18:32:33] <_methods> yeah
[18:32:42] <_methods> i need a damn matching chair
[18:32:49] <_methods> the chair is next to impossible to find
[18:34:28] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c9h1rkbyvx5f108/2015-02-11%2019.12.46.jpg?dl=0
[18:34:35] <_methods> it's a tad messy at the moment lol
[18:36:07] <Rab> _methods, here's a bearing block to inspire you to do better: http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/zpbbottom.jpg
[18:36:24] <_methods> ahh fun
[18:36:28] <Rab> Hole saw and hacksaw. ^_^
[18:36:44] <_methods> oh lawxc
[18:37:07] <_methods> i have a waterjet for stuff like that lol
[18:40:59] <_methods> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/ghettocnc/ymount.jpg
[18:41:13] <_methods> is that a technics in the background?
[18:41:25] <MacGalempsy> having a problem getting v 2.6.0 to accept my password
[18:41:26] <_methods> sl-1200?
[18:41:30] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts?
[18:43:43] <Rab> _methods, I doubt it, but I'm not sure. That's at my friend's house.
[18:44:02] <_methods> ah
[19:07:10] <renesis> _methods: i dont think so, on 1200s the aluminum top comes down maybe 1/2" before the heavy rubber base
[19:07:23] <renesis> also the sides look shiny, not like dull rubber
[19:07:48] <renesis> also the bottom has a giant chamfer instead of a bigass radius
[19:08:30] <_methods> i just saw turntable lol
[19:08:39] <_methods> looked kinda like a 1200
[19:09:05] <renesis> good money in making things look like 1200s
[19:10:02] <renesis> turntable i want looks like a 1200, but has 72rpm mode, can pitch up to 20% and has reset, also built in RIAA pre, also usb interface, also like 1/4 the cost
[19:13:45] <_methods> what table is this?
[19:17:07] <renesis> http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/turntables/583f30b3a8662772/
[19:17:51] <renesis> blatant 1200 clone
[19:17:54] <_methods> wow only $300
[19:18:04] <renesis> think theyre less at sweetwater
[19:18:31] <renesis> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/665946-REG/Audio_Technica_AT_LP120USB_AT_LP120USB_Direct_Drive_Professional.html
[19:19:01] <renesis> so $500 for a set, instead of like $2000 or whatever the fuck someones want to charge for a good 1200
[19:19:17] <_methods> yeah
[19:19:44] <_methods> hang out at some clubs you'll find some pill junkie that will dump them for $300 lol
[19:19:48] <fluffybitchx> got Y and Z moving under software control. With steppers, 10tpi plain leadscrews, and 2:1 belt reduction, let's just say the machine is not going to win any speed awards. also learned that if you crash Z, it rips the bushes out of the worm gear mechanism. And learned that Y binding is indeed a slightly bent leadscews.
[19:19:56] <fluffybitchx> s/scews/screw
[19:20:40] <renesis> im hungry
[19:22:23] <fluffybitchx> I could get 1.7 in/second, but it wasn't as reliable as I'd like. set it to a nice safe 1 in/sec.
[19:22:49] <fluffybitchx> I could get even faster if I cranked the acceleration way down, but I suspect the result on an actual part would be slower.
[19:25:26] <fluffybitchx> I cranked the bushes on the Z wormdrive down tighter, but I suspect they'll still be ejected if I run it all the way to a stop again. it needs limit switches, or maybe backing the drive current way down.
[19:25:52] <fluffybitchx> it's a weird design, placing too much stress on parts held in with a simple grub screw.
[19:27:50] <fluffybitchx> and Y... there's definitely a couple thous wobble on the leadscrew. I probably just need to find the high spot, stick some soft aluminum in there for protection, and give it a good adjusting with a crowbar.
[19:28:22] <fluffybitchx> I couldn't see the wobble while hand-cranking it, as it was lost in all the other wobbling from hand-cranking, but it's quite obvious when motor driven.
[19:37:49] <MacGalempsy_> is anyone running the new debian 2.6.0?
[19:38:16] <Tom_itx> i have it on a test ssd
[19:38:34] <Tom_itx> but i'm actually using 2.6 on lucid
[19:38:38] <fluffybitchx> bah, no barge landing.
[19:39:30] <skunkworks> MacGalempsy_: the new livecd (wheezy) requires you to enter the username - then the password
[19:40:51] <fluffybitchx> bbl, work
[19:41:26] <Tom_itx> skunkworks can you set it for no login?
[19:41:39] <skunkworks> I don't know.
[19:41:51] <Tom_itx> err actually i think i did that..
[19:42:04] <Tom_itx> been a while since i had the ssd hooked up
[19:43:51] <Guest77326> will linuxcnc work with mintlinux17 (it's LTS)
[19:44:32] <_methods> is mint linux?
[19:44:33] <_methods> lol
[19:44:38] <XXCoder> it is
[19:44:42] <Guest77326> yep
[19:44:42] <XXCoder> offshoot of ubuntu
[19:44:49] <_methods> i was being sarcastic
[19:44:51] <XXCoder> dunno if it has rtos though
[19:45:59] <MacGalempsy_> ok/
[19:46:02] <MacGalempsy_> thanks skunkworks
[19:46:58] <MacGalempsy_> skunkworks: all it says is password
[19:47:04] <Guest77326> good one too... I use mint 17 and xfce...
[19:47:29] <XXCoder> Guest77326: the new xfce?
[19:47:49] <Guest77326> been a computer nut for years, and mint 17 with xfce is the best I know of
[19:47:52] <_methods> why not just use xubuntu then?
[19:48:02] <MacGalempsy_> is there something different that happens when I INSTALL (GRAPHICAL)?
[19:48:19] <Guest77326> cause, this is better.... kinda like debian vs ubuntu
[19:49:06] <Guest77326> so, ubuntu vs mint. tri it... you'll like it
[19:49:54] <skunkworks> MacGalempsy_: did you accidenlty not enter the username first? hit cancel and it should first ask you for a username.
[19:50:40] <Guest77326> tried to run red hat... back when there was NOTHING automatic. Finally got it to run by using turbo linux, which was an improver red hat
[19:51:02] <MacGalempsy_> oh, ok. im a linux idiot
[19:51:16] <_methods> i made the mistake of starting with slack
[19:51:23] <_methods> took me like 3 days to get my keyboard to work
[19:51:35] <XXCoder> it slacked off
[19:51:37] <XXCoder> thats why
[19:51:49] <_methods> i think it was mostly operator error
[19:51:55] <XXCoder> and wtf keyboard? something like network card sure but..
[19:51:56] <_methods> or slack hated my keyboard and me
[19:51:59] <Guest77326> hey, just download the iso for mint 17 with xfce. Most computer reviewers now rate it ahead of microsoft.
[19:52:05] * zeeshan needs enclosure for machine
[19:52:07] <_methods> it was x11 fun
[19:52:11] <zeeshan> so i can do some high speed machining!
[19:52:46] <XXCoder> Guest77326: did you hear this, first new xfce version since 2 1/2 years ago
[19:53:01] <skunkworks> even slow speed machining is a pain without an enclosure if you use coolant
[19:53:07] * skunkworks knows
[19:53:19] <zeeshan> haha
[19:53:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL I hear htat..
[19:53:36] <PetefromTn_> I would build a nice table enclosure for that baby..
[19:53:37] <_methods> rainsuit
[19:53:44] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7446/16320069197_f139614de5_z.jpg
[19:53:49] <zeeshan> i kinda wish i made it have ears
[19:53:52] <skunkworks> shower curtain
[19:53:52] <zeeshan> like mini mouse :/
[19:54:01] <zeeshan> i have a table enclosure
[19:54:06] <zeeshan> but its kinda lame
[19:54:15] <zeeshan> cause it has no front door thingy
[19:54:18] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were making an oval pocket in a plate
[19:54:29] <zeeshan> no :P
[19:54:30] <skunkworks> zeeshan: did you get your Z figured out?
[19:54:40] <zeeshan> skunkworks: yes
[19:54:45] <skunkworks> what was it?
[19:54:52] <zeeshan> pcw told me to move pwoer from l2 to l1
[19:54:56] <zeeshan> and that seems to have fixed it
[19:55:10] <skunkworks> huh. I don't know what that means..
[19:55:15] <zeeshan> i have 240 single phase
[19:55:27] <skunkworks> right - those drives take 3 phase?
[19:55:27] <zeeshan> each leg to netural is 120v
[19:55:30] <zeeshan> no
[19:55:33] <skunkworks> oh
[19:55:34] <zeeshan> they're single phase drives
[19:55:42] <zeeshan> pcw's logic was there is a transient overvoltage
[19:55:43] <zeeshan> which blows it
[19:55:53] <skunkworks> huh - cool
[19:56:09] <zeeshan> are you using the 3 phase drives
[19:56:10] <zeeshan> or single?
[19:56:36] <zeeshan> or non builtin power supply ones
[19:57:12] <skunkworks> we have b40a40ac - 3phase in
[19:57:19] <zeeshan> ah
[19:57:27] <skunkworks> they are nice
[19:58:07] <zeeshan> i dont feel like they're industrial quality
[19:58:19] <zeeshan> like i dont want to be negative
[19:58:35] <zeeshan> but like if you look at their fault protection
[19:58:36] <zeeshan> it self rests
[19:58:38] <zeeshan> *resets
[19:58:44] <zeeshan> what kind of nonsense is that?
[19:58:52] <zeeshan> you could have an intermittent short in the motor
[19:58:57] <zeeshan> and it'll keep self reseting
[19:59:05] <zeeshan> till the drive or the motor blows up
[19:59:56] <skunkworks> I am sure they have issues.. But they make a butt ton of drives
[20:00:08] <skunkworks> they are everywhere
[20:01:31] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RrTkzmmS8g
[20:01:33] <zeeshan> video of the action
[20:01:34] <zeeshan> :)
[20:02:36] * zeeshan is brushing like a mad man
[20:04:30] <_methods> right on man
[20:04:43] <MacGalempsy> hey, what do you know?! when you get the login and password right, it lets you right in! lol
[20:04:51] <_methods> hahah
[20:05:02] <_methods> did you change the password on yourself
[20:05:11] <_methods> it's hell being the administrator
[20:05:13] <_methods> damn users
[20:05:18] <_methods> heheh
[20:06:33] <MacGalempsy> the dumb part is that you HAVE to enter a password
[20:06:44] <_methods> it's for your own good lol
[20:08:59] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan congrats man that looks great!
[20:10:24] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: totally jealous here. mine only moves
[20:10:29] <MacGalempsy> no spinning yet
[20:10:46] <MacGalempsy> well, it did with 2.5. but I just got logged into 2.6
[20:14:15] <Connor> zeeshan: You got it running!
[20:14:41] <Connor> What type of end mill holder did it end up being ?
[20:14:53] <zeeshan> it uses ott groove pull studs
[20:14:55] <zeeshan> but im not using them
[20:14:59] <zeeshan> just using a manual drawbar
[20:15:05] <Connor> and... Dude.. get a REAL brush. :)
[20:15:18] <zeeshan> i like acid brushes! :P
[20:15:30] <Connor> ott groove ? never heard of it..
[20:16:18] <zeeshan> european holder
[20:16:21] <zeeshan> from the 1980s
[20:16:25] <Connor> Ick.
[20:16:29] <Connor> Can you convert it ?
[20:16:35] <zeeshan> yea i use mari tool pull studs
[20:16:38] <zeeshan> to convert to cat40
[20:16:48] <zeeshan> i wish i had money to fix that drawbar
[20:16:54] <zeeshan> its gonna cost like 800$ in rebuild parts
[20:17:00] <zeeshan> while is crazy.
[20:17:01] <Connor> What's wrong with it ?
[20:17:06] <zeeshan> it doesnt pull hard enough
[20:17:11] <zeeshan> only pulling with like 300-400lb of force
[20:17:16] <zeeshan> when its supposed to pull at 3300lb..
[20:17:56] <Connor> belleville springs bad?
[20:18:02] <zeeshan> no idea
[20:18:08] <zeeshan> this drawbar is retarded
[20:18:13] <zeeshan> they are inside the damn hydraulic cylinder.
[20:18:20] <zeeshan> so you cant even inspect them without taking it all apart
[20:18:53] <zeeshan> did you see pics of it?
[20:18:57] <Connor> no
[20:19:02] <Connor> just watched your video
[20:19:23] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16411520752/
[20:19:38] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16412452475/in/photostream/
[20:19:42] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16406155082/in/photostream/
[20:19:45] <zeeshan> that grabs onto the tool
[20:21:03] <Connor> That is a bit strange.
[20:21:33] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DECKEL-FP3-HYDRAULIC-DRAW-BAR-/201283259626?
[20:21:40] <zeeshan> i honestly thought it'd look like that..
[20:21:42] <zeeshan> which makes more sense.
[20:22:06] <zeeshan> i thought maybne someone took out the spring packs
[20:22:16] <zeeshan> but i looked at the original drawings, and they dont have em like that
[20:22:40] <zeeshan> brb gotta fix the thermostiatc valve.. again!
[20:22:41] <Connor> Could it be held by the hydro ?
[20:23:02] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[20:23:06] <zeeshan> oh
[20:23:11] <zeeshan> hydro only releases the tool
[20:23:20] <zeeshan> brb
[20:28:41] <PetefromTn_> that all looks to be in pretty good shape really
[20:30:13] <PetefromTn_> I would just disassemble the cylinder and inspect it to see what the problem is... it is probably something simple that you could either replace the part or possibly even fabricate a new one..
[20:32:07] <Guest77326> sounds like bad pump, or a leaking relief valve
[20:32:20] <PetefromTn_> Well I delivered the parts I just made to my customer and the seemed very happy with them LOL
[20:32:28] <Guest77326> hook up a pressure gauge
[20:32:36] <PetefromTn_> agreed it could easily be something stupid like that.
[20:32:55] <PetefromTn_> but it IS apparently belleville driven hold in.
[20:33:13] <PetefromTn_> so the hydraulics only serve to release the tool.
[20:33:20] <Guest77326> don't knowthe system
[20:33:21] <PetefromTn_> which is as it should be
[20:34:22] <PetefromTn_> you cannot really safely rely on hydro to hold the tool in during the cut in case of pressure loss or whatever most mills use some sort of bellevilles spring packs to hold the pullstud in
[20:36:47] <PetefromTn_> well now that those parts are finished I am in the unenviable position of having nothing to machine again sigh...
[20:37:23] <PetefromTn_> so I am going to continue to work on the CNC lathe and maybe do some more tweaking on the mill possibly trying to get the spindle orient working here..
[20:41:09] <PetefromTn_> just watching the movie Brick Mansions and there is some pretty cool free running scenes in there
[20:44:59] <tjtr33> PCW, hello, did you get to try the ethernet mesa cars on a laptop?
[20:46:30] <tjtr33> i just got an old Thinkpad up on latest live image ( well installed now ) and 12455 jitter now with loads running ( no youtube, but mp3 ogv 4 glxgears etc for a few hours)
[20:47:40] <skunkworks> tjtr33: try the -rt kernel
[20:47:53] <skunkworks> (you would need to run that to run the ethernet boards
[20:47:55] <skunkworks> )
[20:48:07] <tjtr33> thx skunkworks , will look how to do that
[20:48:28] <skunkworks> you can get it from the synaptic package manager (assuming your using wheezy)
[20:48:28] <tjtr33> (scrolls back to yesterdays discussion )
[20:48:49] <skunkworks> 686 pae rt something something
[20:48:53] <tjtr33> heh i must have an open synaptic on one these desktops
[20:49:13] <skunkworks> update manager will lock it too
[20:49:20] <skunkworks> or apt-get
[20:51:22] <tjtr33> i see rtai
[20:52:35] <MacGalempsy_> well my latency test is 1037476 max servo and 40356 max jitter. I understand the results may be bet the fastest, but should this suffice for getting things up and going?
[20:53:03] <MacGalempsy_> * may not be
[20:55:30] <tjtr33> skunkworks, wait arent i runing a realtime kernel if i install the live cd? uname -r shows 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae
[20:58:10] <skunkworks> that is rtai - you want rt preempt
[20:59:16] <tjtr33> linux-image-rt-686-pae thx!
[20:59:28] <tjtr33> bbl off to store
[21:04:58] <fluffybitchx> what terms would I search for to find aluminum boxes? I've always called them alarm boxes, but that doesn't seem to find anything.
[21:06:46] <Tom_itx> skunkworks the ethernet boards only work on the -rt kernel?
[21:07:23] <micges> Tom_itx: for now yes
[21:07:29] <Tom_itx> hmm
[21:07:38] <Tom_itx> does mesaflash work on ethernet?
[21:08:04] <micges> you mean on ethernet boards?
[21:08:05] <fluffybitchx> ... what the fuck? ebay now hides the item description unless you click a button, which then uses javascript to show the description clipped to an unscrollable lightbox-style box?
[21:08:07] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:08:19] <Tom_itx> i assume the interface would be ethernet
[21:08:36] * fluffybitchx wants a 7i76e, but can't afford it
[21:08:50] <jdh> there are kidney trade inprograms
[21:08:55] <fluffybitchx> and now that I know my mill is slow as shit and the y leadscrew is bent too, I'm even less inclined to spend money on it.
[21:09:09] <micges> mesaflash works with all mesa pci/eth/lpt boards
[21:09:58] <Connor> PetefromTn_: We still have my X Axis ballnut mount to make.. and the extension block and other stuff. :)
[21:11:41] <Tom_itx> nice
[21:11:42] <PetefromTn_> Connor yeah and WE have a spindle orient and toolchanger to get working hehehe
[21:12:04] <micges> fluffybitchx: waterjet on 7i76e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-ZH-gYd7w
[21:12:09] <Tom_itx> micges, what was that sserial part you were working on recently?
[21:12:17] <Tom_itx> anything i should update to?
[21:12:37] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yup! :)
[21:12:42] <micges> just more detail information about sserial
[21:12:57] <PetefromTn_> well you know where I live man...
[21:12:59] <Tom_itx> i might take a peek
[21:13:06] <XXCoder> and pee
[21:13:14] <XXCoder> and pe
[21:13:18] <XXCoder> :P
[21:13:19] <Tom_itx> Connor did you see i've pretty well gotten the code for the C6 ready to go?
[21:13:33] <Tom_itx> just waiting for the isolation board
[21:13:43] <PetefromTn_> I thought the 7i76 was a stepper control card?
[21:13:51] <micges> Tom_itx: slowly working on organising it to simmilar way as pinfiles
[21:13:59] <Tom_itx> nice
[21:15:19] <micges> everything is stopped becouse I need to finish adding limited jerk planner to lcnc/mk
[21:16:00] <fluffybitchx> gah. I have no idea how ebay decided anything this utterly stupid was a good idea.
[21:17:21] <PetefromTn_> please Lord get fluffywhatshisname a better internet connection so we don't have to hear him whine every day about websites and how slow his stuff is....
[21:17:42] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: this has nothing to do with slowness. it has to do with utter idiocy.
[21:18:10] <fluffybitchx> ebay has now decided that when you click on a listing, all you will see is the images, price, and useless "item specifics" usually pre-filled from the wrong item. The sellers actual description won't be shown.
[21:18:55] <_methods> looks the same as usual to me........
[21:19:00] <fluffybitchx> Useful things like what the item it is, what's included, the seller's terms, etc... all gone.
[21:19:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just opened my own ads and they look the same to me too..
[21:19:40] <PetefromTn_> opened a few other ones just to check.. yup same same
[21:19:47] <fluffybitchx> I probably got stuck in some beta program.
[21:19:59] <roycroft> exept the ebay i go to shows me the seller's description just fine
[21:20:10] <Tom_itx> micges does the mk code parallel lcnc or is it quite a bit different?
[21:20:11] <roycroft> except, that is
[21:20:12] <fluffybitchx> I'll take a screenshot of what all listings now look like.
[21:21:11] <Connor> Tom_itx: No. I didn't. How's it working ?
[21:21:25] <Tom_itx> well i'm waiting on hardware but the code looks good
[21:21:50] <Tom_itx> i added a delay so the inhibit to the drive will kick before the fwd/rev relays kick
[21:21:50] <micges> Tom_itx: hal drivers/mesa drivers are still 99.9% same code
[21:22:27] <Tom_itx> i think that kinda started at the fest in wichita didn't it?
[21:22:27] <_methods> need to find a cheap broach set
[21:22:46] <Tom_itx> the 2 branches that is..
[21:23:10] <micges> Tom_itx: most differencies are at kernels supports and guis
[21:23:31] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/ebaywtf01.png http://fw.bushytails.net/ebaywtf02.png all listings are now like that, with the useful stuff hidden.
[21:23:34] <Tom_itx> i haven't looked at mk
[21:26:01] <fluffybitchx> I can't even imagine what compelled them to do something so obnoxious... they running short on money and deciding to save bandwidth fees?
[21:29:02] <tjtr33> any notes on how to measure latency ( w/o latency-test ) ?
[21:29:26] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: wow strange
[21:29:31] <XXCoder> why would they hide
[21:30:12] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: I have absolutely no idea. I can only think they're trying to save bandwidth, and possibly further their transformation into a marketplace for new products, all identical...
[21:30:38] <tjb1> evening fellas
[21:30:39] <XXCoder> "The Product" that everyone and nobody needs!
[21:30:58] <PetefromTn_> tjb1 evening
[21:31:12] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: What are those things you had a picture of yesterday?
[21:31:32] <PetefromTn_> the parts I made?
[21:31:40] <fluffybitchx> in addition to being fucking annoying, it's going to result in people buying things without reading the item description, and returns, paypal claims, etc, etc...
[21:31:49] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: yes
[21:32:41] <PetefromTn_> they are a lower intake manifold cover for a mazda engine that allows the tuner guys to work on the motor without worrying about getting debris falling into it . it is just an ornate cover really and a place to advertise thier business
[21:32:47] <roycroft> are you on a mobile defice, fluffybitchx?
[21:32:53] <fluffybitchx> no
[21:32:58] <roycroft> or a device that ebay might think is a mobile device?
[21:33:01] <fluffybitchx> no
[21:33:11] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: nice work
[21:33:16] <PetefromTn_> thanks man..
[21:33:30] <roycroft> perhaps there's a user preference setting that lets you hide the full description by default
[21:33:31] <PetefromTn_> Customer loved em I delivered them earlier today.
[21:33:36] <roycroft> and it accidently got toggled
[21:33:37] <fluffybitchx> I'm on a laptop vpn'ed through my server. the only browser info they get is a current firefox install, and the ip is a hurricane electric colo.
[21:33:42] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Any sort of finish on them?
[21:33:57] <roycroft> it seems that some here, including myself, see the full description by default
[21:34:10] <roycroft> so i don't think it's a system-wide change that ebay made
[21:34:18] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: perhaps they're trying it on a few people at first to see how pissed off it makes them, to make sure they won't lose too large a percentage of their buyers when they roll it out fully.
[21:34:22] <roycroft> i just did a couple random searches
[21:34:25] <fluffybitchx> ebay always does this with new "improvements".
[21:34:28] <PetefromTn_> well just a brushed aluminum finish really.
[21:34:38] <roycroft> they usually inform folks when they do stuff like that
[21:36:30] <fluffybitchx> and yet, they've apparantly done it, and I see no mention of informing anyone.
[21:36:58] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Should have done clear powdercoat :)
[21:37:55] <PetefromTn_> well actually I am working on an anodization setup as money permits
[21:38:12] <PetefromTn_> but right now the CNC lathe retrofit is paramount
[21:38:32] <fluffybitchx> http://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Why-do-you-have-to-click-on-a-link-to-see-item-description/qaq-p/23618689 only thing I can find on it, at all.
[21:38:56] <fluffybitchx> forum thread started 40 minutes ago
[21:39:11] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/u9nVgqR.jpg got some free swag when I delivered the parts YAY!!
[21:39:24] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: great I am part of the "beta"
[21:39:33] <roycroft> i can't see an account setting to toggle that
[21:39:49] <roycroft> if they do it to me i'll be on the phone with them immediately, demanding that they restore the correct behavior
[21:40:23] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: on the phone? hope you have four hours to kill! (that's how long it's taken when I've tried calling...)
[21:40:33] <roycroft> i usually get through fairly quickly
[21:40:38] <PetefromTn_> me too
[21:40:44] <roycroft> and i have a speakerphone with a headset, so the wait doesn't bother me
[21:41:00] <PetefromTn_> I have had questions about my ebay sales ads and got thru in like 20 minutes or less
[21:41:03] <tjb1> I had to fight for several hours to get a negative feedback removed for someone who didnt even pay for the item
[21:41:20] <roycroft> i've always had a good relationship with ebay
[21:41:32] <roycroft> perhaps they have you two marked as troublmakers :P
[21:41:42] <fluffybitchx> I had a good relationship with ebay until they decided to cancel my paypal account.
[21:41:57] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I don't like about ebay is their fees ;)
[21:42:03] <tjb1> roycroft: well I did sell digital pictures to get my feedback above 100 when paypal decided they wanted to freeze my account every other week
[21:42:14] <fluffybitchx> in order to get my paypal account back, they want copies of, among other things, my social security card, bank statements, and utility bills. I told them not a chance in hell.
[21:42:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ i agree but do you work for free?
[21:42:45] <PetefromTn_> no but their fees are a bit much I think...
[21:42:54] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, it's a necesary evil to get all that cheap chinese crap we like
[21:43:03] <tjb1> Started account in 2008, sold a ps3 and games in like 2011. Paypal account instant froze as soon as funds entered
[21:43:23] <tjb1> That lasted 3 months and then they did it again the next time I sold something
[21:43:39] <PetefromTn_> you mean they held the funds?
[21:43:44] <fluffybitchx> I've been on ebay since... *thinks*... 2001.
[21:43:46] <tjb1> Yes
[21:43:57] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Until positive feedback, confirmed delivery or 30 days
[21:44:03] <tjb1> Almost no one leaves feedback
[21:44:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah they do that for new sellers I had my funds held for awhile too
[21:44:18] <tjb1> I had to call every time after the item was delivered to get funds released
[21:44:22] <roycroft> they hold funds until you have 10 sales that go well
[21:44:23] <PetefromTn_> but the more you sell the less time they hold it..
[21:44:23] <Tom_itx> my only complaint is they ALWAYS settle disputes in favor of the buyer
[21:44:41] <tjb1> The account was 3 years old and had over 10 sales
[21:44:43] <fluffybitchx> a couple years ago they decided my account was suspicious, and killed my paypal account. Despite having 100% positive feedback over 10+ years, not a single buyer claim, etc. despite calling them on the phone repeatedly, waiting for hours, they wouldn't reactivate it until I sent them copies of all the documents they requested.
[21:44:47] <tjb1> As soon as I got above 100 feedback it ended
[21:44:52] <roycroft> if you ship using ebay's shipping center they know the tracking number and they unfreeze the funds a day or so after it's delivered
[21:45:05] <tjb1> roycroft: this was 3-4 years ago
[21:45:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is true too but I usually ship myself.
[21:45:40] <Tom_itx> same here
[21:45:58] <PetefromTn_> hard to find a box I fit in tho :P
[21:46:08] <Tom_itx> har har
[21:46:15] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:47:20] <roycroft> i don't think there's anything inherently bad or evil about ebay
[21:47:36] <roycroft> i think people get upset/frustrated because they have unrealistic expectations
[21:47:41] <roycroft> for the most part
[21:47:42] <fluffybitchx> if they haven't gotten rid of it by tomorrow, I'll call them.
[21:47:52] <roycroft> or send them an email
[21:48:00] <fluffybitchx> they no longer give you any way to send an email.
[21:48:01] <roycroft> they are pretty responsive to emails, and you don't have to camp out on hold
[21:48:15] <tjb1> What drives me absolutely crazy is one seller with the same thing listed 8 billion times
[21:48:41] <fluffybitchx> tjb1: which is against their policy, but ebay only enforces policies when they think it costs them money, not when it makes them money.
[21:49:10] <fluffybitchx> roycroft: I don't consider it an unrealistic expectation that the item description should be shown when I click the item listing.
[21:49:56] <fluffybitchx> I've reported several counterfeit/fake products, and NONE of them have been removed. not a single one. ever. even when it's shipping a chinese product in place of the advertised name-brand good, etc.
[21:50:05] <fluffybitchx> if ebay is making money, they don't care about you.
[21:50:33] <roycroft> look at a listing again, fluffybitchx
[21:50:52] <roycroft> right next to the "see full item description" button is a "tell us what you think" link
[21:51:00] <roycroft> don't keep telling *us* what you think - we know what you think
[21:51:04] <roycroft> tell ebay what you think
[21:51:15] <fluffybitchx> yes, and I told them what they think. guess how much ebay is going to care?
[21:51:16] <tjb1> "To see a listing’s full description, you need to click a button. What do you think of this?"
[21:51:19] <tjb1> lol
[21:51:34] <tjb1> Someone took the time to write that and didn't see anything wrong with the idea
[21:51:41] <roycroft> if you tell them, they won't care
[21:51:49] <fluffybitchx> ebay did this for a reason. they probably have, in their minds, a very good reason. and thus, like every other time they screwed their users, they won't care about other reasons.
[21:51:50] <roycroft> if you and a lot of other people tell them, they will care
[21:52:06] <roycroft> there is another option, you know
[21:52:09] <roycroft> stop using ebay
[21:52:46] <fluffybitchx> they got many thousands of complaints (judging from the thousands of forum posts) when they removed all advanced search features, and didn't care then either. I, along with many other people, LIKED wildcard searches, and the other stuff they removed.
[21:53:00] <fluffybitchx> they removed them "to make searching easier".
[21:53:15] <fluffybitchx> too bad ebay put every single other auction service out of business.
[21:53:16] <roycroft> i can still do advanced searches
[21:53:22] <fluffybitchx> I think furbid is still around, and that's about it.
[21:53:23] <roycroft> i do them every day
[21:53:35] <fluffybitchx> you can't still do a wildcard search, or some of the other things they removed.
[21:53:36] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: have you used aliexpress?
[21:53:49] <fluffybitchx> no. I don't buy much chinese crap anymore. sick of throwing it all out.
[21:54:09] <roycroft> i'm starting to think that i use spock's ebay, and you use spock with a beard's ebay
[21:54:18] <fluffybitchx> even when I buy a chinese crap product, I buy it from a US seller, so I get it in 3 days, not 3 weeks, and they can't try to make me send it back to china when it's defective.
[21:54:36] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: my experience with chinese junk is they usually dont want it back
[21:54:42] <roycroft> mine too
[21:54:49] <roycroft> usually they either just send more or refund
[21:55:13] <renesis> heh, working with CM, you tell them to send more and you dont pay for the junk
[21:55:26] <renesis> usually just send pictures back
[21:56:08] <renesis> usually you get fucked in the end somehow anyway, tho
[21:56:43] <fluffybitchx> I've also found items purchased from US sellers have a much higher chance of actually being the item described in the listing, while chinese sellers seem more than happy to toss an "equivalent", "upgraded", "newer" (I've heard many excuses) item in the box instead.
[21:56:47] <tjb1> renesis: what is CM?
[21:56:54] <renesis> contract manufacturer
[21:57:03] <roycroft> i've been an ebay member since 2001, with hundreds of transactions as both buyer and seller
[21:57:19] <renesis> most chinese junk in america is funded by american companies
[21:57:25] <roycroft> and i've only had two of those go south to the point that i did not get good product or a refund, and never have had problems getting paid as a seller
[21:57:31] <fluffybitchx> same here. 2001, several thousand transactions, was an ebay powerseller for a while...
[21:58:44] <fluffybitchx> I've had lots of cases where I've been screwed by sellers. sometimes I got refunds, sometimes I didn't.
[21:58:56] <fluffybitchx> I've NEVER gotten ebay to penalize a seller selling counterfeit items.
[21:59:22] <roycroft> i bought some software once that turned out to be counterfeit
[21:59:23] <fluffybitchx> even if they give me a refund, they let the seller go on ripping off everyone else.
[21:59:38] <fluffybitchx> the more items sold, the more money ebay makes. they won't do anything that'll make them less money.
[21:59:43] <Cromaglious> This blows... I can connect to the router at the other end of the building...
[21:59:48] <roycroft> i complained to both ebay and paypal (i paid for it with paypal)
[21:59:48] <fluffybitchx> they'd rather lose you, the buyer, than the seller.
[21:59:48] <Cromaglious> cann
[21:59:57] <roycroft> paypal refunded my money immediately
[22:00:00] <Cromaglious> damn bash completion
[22:00:03] <roycroft> then ebay ordered the seller to refund
[22:00:08] <roycroft> which he did
[22:00:15] <Cromaglious> gotta figure out how to turn it off
[22:00:22] <roycroft> i told them that paypal had already refunded and they said "well just keep it"
[22:00:27] <Tom_itx> good thing this is #linuxcnc and not #rag-on-ebay
[22:00:36] <roycroft> i figured that was good enough punishment for the seller :)
[22:00:36] <tjb1> heh
[22:00:45] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx seriously
[22:01:04] <fluffybitchx> I bought some cordless drills that never showed up, ebay wouldn't decide on the case, didn't get a refund. I bought a locking differential that never showed up, and research found out the same guy sold the same item to many people, none of whom got it. only got a partial refund.
[22:01:12] <Tom_itx> fluffybitchx we get the idea
[22:01:13] <Tom_itx> ok?
[22:01:45] <Cromaglious> I bought one of the ELM 327 bluetooth OBD2 readers and I opened it up and it was missing all the caps, resistors for the GM car interface older than 2004
[22:01:54] <renesis> wait were bitching general and not about fake shit?
[22:02:04] <renesis> ebay/PP refunded me for a broken AP
[22:02:10] <tjb1> tomorrow is friday! :)
[22:02:17] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:02:27] <Cromaglious> seller refunded the money, but I contacted the consumer affairs at the DOJ state of CA
[22:02:31] <Cromaglious> they didn do shit
[22:02:31] <fluffybitchx> renesis: I've gotten lots of fake stuff too. Fake wire, ebay wouldn't do anything. Bought a Feeldoe and got shipped a chinese knockoff, ebay wouldn't do anything. etc, etc.
[22:02:34] <PetefromTn_> so is anyone making anything really cool with LinuxCNC?
[22:02:54] <renesis> why are you buying feeldoe on ebay
[22:03:08] <renesis> cant you buy those 1st party
[22:03:09] <Cromaglious> PetefromTn_, if I could get InkScape turning out gcode files
[22:03:11] <tjb1> Do I want to know what a feeldoe is?
[22:03:25] <tjb1> Sounds like an animal sex toy
[22:03:47] <PetefromTn_> never used inkscape for anything but text and images to .dxf conversions
[22:04:13] <fluffybitchx> renesis: you get really good deals when people doing the "passion parties" realize no one will ever actually attend one, and dump their inventory on ebay. and as I don't make much money, I need to save it whereever I can.
[22:04:13] <renesis> ha, feeldoe's site looks like from 1998
[22:04:16] <tjb1> yep do not search feeldoe
[22:04:21] <Cromaglious> damn winbloz machine just fell off as well
[22:04:32] <renesis> heh, k
[22:05:08] <fluffybitchx> renesis: I don't think it's changed much since then, no. :)
[22:06:15] <tjb1> guessing fluffybitchx is female
[22:06:20] <renesis> tho yeah, your experience kind of just makes my point, heh
[22:06:48] <renesis> tjb1: spells her name like a guy, or is usin someone elses user
[22:07:02] <roycroft> fluffybitchx just needs to stop using ebay'sbeard.com :P
[22:07:04] <Cromaglious> Randy G...
[22:07:29] <renesis> maybe its a verb
[22:07:36] <fluffybitchx> the time I got ripped off I bought from a dealer... the listing said it was a feeldoe, had pictures of an actual feeldoe,... got a crap $10 chinese knockoff in the mail.
[22:07:37] <tjb1> Cromaglious: That just adds to the confusion
[22:07:58] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:08:03] <XXCoder> just googled it
[22:08:09] <fluffybitchx> virtually every time I've been ripped off, on anything, it's been from a dealer, not an individual. the only time I can think of where an individual ripped me off was the locking differential.
[22:08:40] <fluffybitchx> found out he ripped people off on craigslist and various jeep forums, too... was talk of trying to track him down and extract jeep parts and/or teeth from him. heh.
[22:09:35] <fluffybitchx> oh! and I got ripped off last year on some lathe tooling. the seller kept dragging it on with excuses until 46 days after the listing ended, then never replied again.
[22:09:42] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: What kind of anodizing?
[22:10:00] <Tom_itx> </rant!>
[22:10:08] <renesis> paypal would give you that money back
[22:10:36] <fluffybitchx> now I know to file a case 44 days after it ends, no matter how good the seller's excuses are, because they're just intentionally stalling for time until the period you can file a case runs out.
[22:11:01] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[22:11:02] <fluffybitchx> no, they wouldn't. said I waited too long, tough shit.
[22:11:10] <Tom_itx> good irc has ignore
[22:11:25] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: you have 45 days after the listing ends to file a case... if the deadline passes, you can't file one.
[22:11:45] <tjb1> papa tom is angry
[22:11:46] <SpeedEvil> It varies.
[22:11:56] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: don't worry, I don't like you either.
[22:11:58] <Tom_itx> no not really
[22:12:02] <PetefromTn_> wasn't talking to you could care less about your ebay gripes..
[22:12:04] <Cromaglious> sheeshz.. trying to get to grub to boot into rtai kernel and it already has...
[22:12:04] <tjb1> I need some popcorn
[22:12:11] <SpeedEvil> I've recently got a refund on some polythene that was 100, not 200um thick
[22:12:14] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: Just color or hard anodizing?
[22:12:24] <PetefromTn_> both really
[22:12:30] <SpeedEvil> And less recently from two 1800mm glass tubes.
[22:12:39] <PetefromTn_> I could stand to make my aluminum parts color anodized people like color LOL..
[22:12:41] <SpeedEvil> That the seller shipped in three layers of bubble-wrap.
[22:12:51] <Tom_itx> tjb1 it just shortens the scrollback
[22:13:09] <PetefromTn_> never blocked anyone on here dunno how really LOL
[22:13:17] <PetefromTn_> or ignored rather
[22:13:18] <tjb1> Anyone have a sand muller?
[22:13:24] <renesis> /ignore [nick]
[22:13:31] <fluffybitchx> SpeedEvil: I got a part with legs on the back shipped in nothing but a padded mailer. it arrived with all the legs bent flat, quite expectedly...
[22:13:34] <PetefromTn_> thanks
[22:14:16] <tjb1> or experience with casting sand
[22:14:26] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: yeah, bright annodizing seems popular with a certain portion of car people.
[22:14:28] <tjb1> mostly interested in how many times it can be used/heated before it needs mulled
[22:14:35] <SpeedEvil> I generally don't bother casting sand, I get it from the builders merchant
[22:15:05] <SpeedEvil> tjb1: more seriously - it depends if you want to recover it all, and are willing to seive the lumps out - and what you're doing.
[22:15:09] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: you can try making some in different colors and see what your customer, and their customers, thinks...
[22:15:16] <SpeedEvil> For example - oil sand, or sodium silicate
[22:15:20] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: Well this will be used in production and I am trying to keep price below the oxide used to prevent the brazing material from moving
[22:15:21] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ now if you were an op you could -v nick for a couple hrs
[22:15:33] <PetefromTn_> I found out about a new local place that does pressure blasting and powder coating
[22:15:43] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: So it can be done by hand?
[22:15:45] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I can maybe talk them into doing my CNC lathe tins for cheap..
[22:16:04] <SpeedEvil> tjb1: in many cases, yes, you can simply pour it through a screen and discard
[22:16:05] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: You should get your own powdercoating setup
[22:16:07] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx LOL
[22:16:19] <PetefromTn_> I probably will but just for smallish parts
[22:16:24] <Tom_itx> i know, i've done it
[22:16:45] <fluffybitchx> harbor freight has one for $59 or something...
[22:16:48] <PetefromTn_> honestly the places that do thier powdercoat work do it so cheaply it is not worth investing too much into it here
[22:16:53] <tjb1> PetefromTn_: eastwood guns are good
[22:17:00] <tjb1> only about $200 for the better gun and accessories
[22:17:02] <fluffybitchx> I've heard you want to get a dedicated oven for it, not use your kitchen one. heh.
[22:17:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen the home shop style stuff
[22:17:11] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: What happens to the water bonded sand when heated?
[22:17:39] <SpeedEvil> never tried just water
[22:17:52] <Tom_itx> i was in HF today... man it was like flies on manure in there...
[22:17:59] <SpeedEvil> But - if you're actually using just water - sand is damn near free.
[22:18:07] <SpeedEvil> $100/m^3 or something
[22:18:33] <tjb1> SpeedEvil: it requires the clay though
[22:19:16] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: worst I've ever seen was the dollar store in gilroy, ca. there were people fighting over items strewn on the floor from knocked-over displays. looked more like an aid shipment to a third-world country than a store...
[22:19:42] <XXCoder> crazy
[22:19:49] <XXCoder> fight for dollar items?
[22:19:55] <fluffybitchx> there is nothing, and I mean nothing, worth fighting someone over at the dollar store. heh.
[22:19:58] <unfy> priorities, yo
[22:20:20] <Tom_itx> i wasn't planning a purchase rather just checking if they sold something
[22:20:31] <renesis> fuck the dollar store
[22:20:37] <tjb1> Tom_itx: I have the fluorescent desk lamp that let out magic smoke
[22:20:43] <renesis> buy some plastic cups, shattered in a month
[22:20:50] <tjb1> replaced caps, fuse blew, replaced fuse and blew out the new caps
[22:20:53] <tjb1> I give up :(
[22:20:54] <renesis> but some cups at target, decade later same fuckin cups
[22:20:59] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:21:30] <tjb1> Well I "replaced" the fuse - https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqbd2tvpduc2qbf/2015-02-11%2019.03.03.jpg?dl=0
[22:21:36] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: a family friend just got their hardwood workbench... it's not bad. it is hardwood. just it's made from tiny scraps with thousands of finger joints! we counted that one piece of a drawer, about 16" by 3", was actually 17 pieces of wood finger-jointed together.
[22:21:58] <unfy> tjb: if this is rolled up aluminum foil, you're getting a thwacking
[22:22:15] <unfy> it's not. and... uhhhh.... wow. heh
[22:22:21] <Tom_itx> yeah at least use a solid copper bar
[22:22:22] <renesis> nice
[22:22:27] * renesis approves
[22:22:34] <Tom_itx> copper tubing works nice
[22:22:36] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple cool platic cutting boards at the dollar store cheap I cut into CNC projects
[22:22:56] <fluffybitchx> it could be worse. it could be a .22lr round.
[22:22:58] <tjb1> oh here is the clear picture - https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6u5f4sh5li5tfg/2015-02-11%2019.03.11.jpg?dl=0
[22:23:09] <renesis> damn i didnt think about raw material at the dollar store
[22:23:17] <tjb1> dead fuse still on other side - https://www.dropbox.com/s/id66lefd3goix22/2015-02-11%2017.41.01.jpg?dl=0
[22:23:47] <unfy> renesis: i've used the dollar store for some raw material before. just gotta realize it's not the best quality
[22:23:49] <renesis> middle cap looks kinda iffy
[22:24:08] <unfy> prolly just lighting, renesis
[22:24:20] <renesis> unfy: raw material from asia at low margins is a pretty good deal
[22:24:42] <tjb1> renesis: dont worry, that one let off some steam and fixed itself after I rigged the new fuses up
[22:24:43] <unfy> renesis: a lot of what the dollar store has for $1 ... aint worth $1.
[22:24:53] <renesis> ya obviously
[22:25:02] <unfy> but, in a pinch, it can be useful
[22:25:04] <fluffybitchx> yep
[22:25:09] <renesis> tjb1: haha
[22:25:19] <unfy> cutting boards are a prime example of useful :D
[22:25:25] <tjtr33> skunkworks, I nstalled the rt-preempt kernel ( uname -r shows 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae ) and running linuxcnc shows "LinuxCNC requires ... 3.4.9-rtai-686-pae to run" i'm missing something big here ;)
[22:25:28] <unfy> (as mentioned by someone above)
[22:25:40] <tjb1> I'm sure I will have cancer shortly from breathing in the nice chemicals from 2 capacitors
[22:25:40] <fluffybitchx> the ones here are only useful because sometimes they get things on closeouts... some company changes their logo or such and wants to clear out a warehouse of something, so they give it to the dollar stores to dump it.
[22:25:48] <cradek> rt-preempt requires the uspace build of linuxcnc
[22:26:42] <fluffybitchx> also, the ones here now sell solar lights, and at $1, they're finally cheap enough I don't care if people run them over, which usually happens before they fail due to crap parts...
[22:26:59] <skunkworks> tjtr33: you need to pull 2.7 or later
[22:27:04] <tjtr33> cradek thx is that apt-get able
[22:27:06] <tjtr33> oops
[22:27:36] <skunkworks> I usually Git it - but I think you can get debs from the build bot.. don't ask me how
[22:28:02] <tjtr33> ok got a hint now, thx
[22:37:33] <MacGalempsy_> well there goes my next few days.... popped breaker and it doesnt reset...
[22:38:59] <tjtr33> buildbot.linuxcnc.org only lists Wheezy(realtime with rtpreempt) architectures: amd64 , so no debs suited to my pentium m?
[22:39:40] <unfy> mac: doh
[22:40:08] <fluffybitchx> MacGalempsy_: on?
[22:42:00] <tjb1> later folks.
[22:42:39] <fluffybitchx> cyas
[22:47:10] <MacGalempsy_> just ordered a couple on ebay for 5 bucks each
[23:11:47] <fluffybitchx> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:27:19] <tjtr33> wah! got LinuxCNC2.7.0-pre2 installed by adding repo. axis sim ran but was very 'stopanimation' jerky. not unresponsive, just chunky video updates.
[23:29:10] <tjtr33> so i ran latency-test woah! i saw over 250uSecs. so whats this rt-preempt all about? i was near 12uS with rtai. is it just hardware dependant & thus 'just depends'
[23:39:51] <tjtr33> http://ibin.co/1rMc5oC76eOg
[23:44:53] <tjtr33> http://ibin.co/1rMddyJICEY7
[23:50:09] <AndChat|144384> tjtr33: awesome
[23:50:16] <tjtr33> someone was looking for gentoo linuxcnc here's 2.7 already http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/sfnet_gentoocnc/downloads/distfiles/linuxcnc-2.7.0_pre2.tar.gz/
[23:51:14] <tjtr33> awesome? its gumby & pokey motion
[23:51:26] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[23:51:26] <skunksleep> tjtr33: is that with -rt?
[23:52:26] <tjtr33> yes cant get < 25uS at startup of latency test with preempt, usually50 and once > 250 while rtai is consistant 11-12uS loaded
[23:53:17] <tjtr33> look at the desktops in the rtai shot, theres 3 loaded desktops, rt-preempt has only the 4 glxgears
[23:53:41] <skunksleep> -rt is a bit softer.. But you would use it with mesa stuff - so only a base period
[23:54:29] <skunksleep> And you should run servo period only on the latency test
[23:54:50] <tjtr33> theres an option?
[23:55:26] <skunksleep> Yes. Try --help
[23:55:43] <tjtr33> cuz man latency-test doesnt work
[23:56:43] <skunksleep> My testing -rt seem to peak around 70us on decent systems
[23:56:47] <tjtr33> hmmm latency-test --help HAL: ERROR: thread 'fast' not found lat.hal:3: addf failed
[23:57:14] <tjtr33> can you try the cmd ?
[23:57:54] <skunksleep> Hmm I just did it today.. But I don't remember how
[23:58:17] <tjtr33> ok, this is so bad i must think i'm doing it wrong
[23:58:36] <skunksleep> Can you try latency-test period for grins?
[23:59:07] <tjtr33> haha 328685 !!!!!
[23:59:11] <skunksleep> (I don't have a system near me at the moment)
[23:59:16] <skunksleep> Yeck
[23:59:40] <tjtr33> hammer rest and get 25-28uS afterwards
[23:59:44] <tjtr33> reset