#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-09

[00:00:00] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: do you remember a while back
[00:00:06] <zeeshan|2> i was arguing about 3 phase vs single phase power? :D
[00:00:24] * zeeshan|2 reads up
[00:01:09] <zeeshan|2> aw
[00:01:10] <zeeshan|2> fault mode!
[00:01:15] <zeeshan|2> at least it's not blow up mode
[00:51:51] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/cnc-lathe/1049659141?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:51:54] <zeeshan|2> damn!
[00:51:54] <zeeshan|2> i want
[00:52:17] <zeeshan|2> a bit overpriced but its bad ass. 42" c-c, 2-1/2" spindle bore
[00:52:19] <zeeshan|2> but 30hp motor
[00:52:20] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[00:52:42] <zeeshan|2> thats 80A 3 phase.
[00:53:07] <zeeshan|2> id need a 140A single phase 240v to run just the damn motor
[00:59:05] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-GILDEMEISTER-MF-TWIN-65-CNC-LATHE-Twin-Turret-Twin-Spindle-2-5-Bar-1999-/370981095423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56603247ff
[00:59:08] <zeeshan|2> one day i will own this
[00:59:12] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7II71STmNY
[00:59:16] <zeeshan|2> so secksi
[01:01:51] <MacGalempsy_> that looks like one big piece of equipment
[01:01:57] <zeeshan|2> its so CRAZY
[01:02:10] <zeeshan|2> twin spindle, live tooling
[01:02:14] <zeeshan|2> twin turret
[01:02:26] <zeeshan|2> the only thing you need to do is sit back and drink coffee
[01:02:40] <MacGalempsy_> and hope nothing detonates
[01:02:43] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:03:22] <MacGalempsy_> after I get this stupid cnc working 100%, my next machine is a sinker edm or plastic injection machine
[01:03:30] <zeeshan|2> what are you working on
[01:04:04] <MacGalempsy_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/sets/72157648156040358/
[01:04:53] <MacGalempsy_> after a year of not working on it, I just fired it up tonight for the first time
[01:05:02] <MacGalempsy_> right now it only moves x y z
[01:05:06] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[01:05:27] <MacGalempsy_> thanks, all the wiring took me 3 months solid then I got stuck with the programming\
[01:05:58] <zeeshan|2> what servo drives are those?
[01:06:00] <MacGalempsy_> but about to burn the new iso and see if the wizards are better
[01:06:14] <zeeshan|2> pncconf has gotten a big upgrade
[01:06:16] <zeeshan|2> from what i can tell
[01:06:20] <MacGalempsy_> they are custom.
[01:06:48] <MacGalempsy_> made by copely custom corps
[01:07:03] <MacGalempsy_> they guy on the phone said they spent several months tuning them
[01:07:45] <MacGalempsy_> brb going to get a blank disc
[01:07:59] <zeeshan|2> sleep time for me
[01:28:18] <Cromaglious_> well finally hacked on the YooCNC NT65-3x controller and got a DIP switch going for setting steps... now possible to select 1:1 1:2 1:8 1:16 steps TB6560 doesn´t do 1/4 step
[01:29:56] <Cromaglious_> still need to build a breaker out board for the probe and limit and home switches using photo interrupters. Need 5v, gnd, and some sort of plug for the wiring
[01:30:28] <Cromaglious_> thinking 1/4" stereo plugs for everything
[01:32:32] <archivist> use a DIN plug
[01:39:56] <Deejay> moin
[01:55:12] <Crom_> morning
[01:55:55] <Crom_> mach3 really blows on converting pictures to gcode
[03:12:40] <rue_shop3> whats out there for cam software for linux?
[03:21:44] <archivist_herron> not a lot and it depends on what you want to do
[03:33:35] <rue_shop3> tracing, pocketing, driling
[03:33:44] <rue_shop3> from a dxf
[03:43:52] <Crom_> ugh mach3 sucks!!
[03:43:56] <Crom_> 87,338,854 dial2bird3.tap
[03:43:56] <Crom_> 155,460 dial2bird3out.tap
[03:44:37] <Crom_> dial2bird3.tap is generated from mach3, the out file is all the not needed crap taken out
[03:46:26] <rue_shop3> whats filtered out?
[03:46:31] <rue_shop3> zero moves?
[03:46:40] <rue_shop3> redundant Z?
[03:48:22] <Crom_> straight line redundant moves
[03:48:37] <Crom_> there's a line every 0.002
[03:49:39] <Crom_> so from x0 y0 z-0.002 to x0 y4 z-0.002 there is line for y0.000, y0.002, y0.004, ...
[03:50:58] <Crom_> working on the math to filter out circular redundants
[03:57:31] <Crom_> nite nite sleepytime
[09:23:19] <ssi> good morning linuxcncers
[09:38:55] <jdh> yeah.
[09:47:35] <fluffybitchx> everything works perfectly at 5A, but if I set the driver current up to 9A where it should be, it faults after a couple seconds of movement.
[09:51:57] <fluffybitchx> I haven't tried middle settings yet, but there's still something off...
[09:52:13] <ssi> what drivers/motors?
[09:54:15] <fluffybitchx> centent cn0165 drives, pacsci E33NLFA-LNN-NS-0
[09:54:48] <fluffybitchx> 10A drives, 8.6A/phase motors
[09:55:36] <fluffybitchx> drives have 0.5mH minimum inductance, motors are 2.3mH, so not that.
[09:56:14] <ssi> what voltage is your supply?
[09:56:33] <fluffybitchx> 58V
[09:56:43] <fluffybitchx> (measured)
[09:57:25] <skunkworks> have you measured the voltage while running at the higher amperage?
[09:57:35] <ssi> yea I'm wondering if your supply is sagging under load
[09:57:37] <fluffybitchx> yes.
[09:57:41] <fluffybitchx> 58V. :P
[09:57:53] <skunkworks> I was wondering if it went up.. ;)
[09:57:59] <fluffybitchx> it drifts up to 59ish unloaded.
[09:58:20] <ssi> skunkworks: like regen overvolt?
[09:58:55] <fluffybitchx> the supply is oversized for just one drive. 40VAC 625VA transformer (puts out 43VAC measured), 50A bridge, 37,000uF capacitor in the supply, 1000uF cap at the drive.
[09:59:07] <fluffybitchx> it doesn't sag much with only one drive on it.
[09:59:13] <skunkworks> ssi, right
[09:59:42] <skunkworks> what is the max volts of the drive?
[10:00:08] <fluffybitchx> 80V
[10:00:18] <skunkworks> ok
[10:00:34] <fluffybitchx> it's not a voltage issue. :)
[10:01:02] <skunkworks> I guess is the drives can't handle the current for those steppers.. too much noise getting back into the electronics.. have you tried 7a or 8a?
[10:01:24] <fluffybitchx> no, I couldn't find the right resistor. lol
[10:01:56] <fluffybitchx> the drives are rated for 10A, and has resistors for all the way to 10A in the table on top of the drive
[10:02:18] <fluffybitchx> actually, I do have the right resistor for 7A... I just grabbed the one for 5A because I wanted to see if it was current-related.
[10:03:22] <fluffybitchx> but it shouldn't fault with any resistor... the manual even says to leave the resistor out if you want to run at the full 10A.
[10:05:28] <skunkworks> I had an issue with parker drives when I didn't know the current of the steppers and over-drove them. the drives just acted stupid. (missing step, random error) lowered the current and everything was fine.
[10:06:23] <fluffybitchx> in this case, the drive is acting like it has a shorted motor. according to the manual, it only trips fault on short-circuit, undervoltage, or overheat. neither of the latter two is happening.
[10:09:44] <fluffybitchx> bbl, time for work
[10:21:45] <archivist> remind fluffybitchx about series or parallel for his coils
[10:31:08] <skunkworks> archivist: good point
[13:00:08] <norias> hello
[13:01:12] <_methods> hello
[13:01:22] <norias> how are you?
[13:01:35] <_methods> i'm still on this side of the grass
[13:02:07] <malcom2073> Hi
[13:02:28] <norias> hmm, good point, methods
[13:02:33] <_methods> hehe
[13:02:43] <norias> so, i'm not too bright when it comes to electronics
[13:02:49] <norias> but i got some stuff from mesa..
[13:02:56] <norias> the 7i33TA
[13:03:03] <norias> and i see all the input is 5V
[13:03:14] <norias> how in the world does it get the 10V for output?
[13:03:33] <ssi> it creates it
[13:03:37] <ssi> with a charge pump I think
[13:03:45] <norias> so, hmm
[13:03:57] <norias> need way more A on the input than the output?
[13:04:11] <ssi> yeah, but the 10v outputs don't need to be much current
[13:04:16] <norias> ahh, ok
[13:04:24] <norias> surprising
[13:04:37] <norias> i guess all that really happens in the servo amplifier
[13:04:50] <ssi> yes; the servo reference inputs are fairly high impedance
[13:05:57] <zeeshan|2> your face is high impedance
[13:06:02] <ssi> it totally is
[13:06:05] <norias> spent the weekend reading about skunk works
[13:06:06] <zeeshan|2> dude
[13:06:09] <norias> good stuff
[13:06:11] <zeeshan|2> help me decide on wTF to do
[13:06:17] <ssi> easy
[13:06:18] <ssi> get on a plane
[13:06:21] <ssi> come here
[13:06:23] <ssi> lets build shit
[13:06:26] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:06:31] <jdh> buy new motors and drives
[13:06:33] <zeeshan|2> dude my kind isnt allowed in the south
[13:06:38] <ssi> bs
[13:06:40] <zeeshan|2> kkk will get me
[13:06:51] <ssi> you've obviously never been to the south
[13:06:55] <zeeshan|2> dude last time i went to nyc
[13:06:56] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[13:07:02] <zeeshan|2> this was 2 y ears after 9/11
[13:07:07] <zeeshan|2> i was at dennys
[13:07:11] <ssi> they're getting pretty close to eliminating white people around here
[13:07:19] <_methods> hahah
[13:07:21] <_methods> freaknik
[13:07:21] <zeeshan|2> some biker guys walked by us and went "snifff sniff "
[13:07:25] <zeeshan|2> "smells like taliban in here"
[13:07:26] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[13:07:33] <zeeshan|2> i couldnt stop laughing my ass off
[13:07:34] <norias> whoa
[13:07:36] <zeeshan|2> they got so pissed
[13:07:37] <ssi> you should have shot an RPG at them
[13:07:44] <_methods> pew pew
[13:08:11] <zeeshan|2> i c alled a place that has a test stand for my motor
[13:08:24] <_methods> were you wearing a thawb or something lol
[13:08:26] <zeeshan|2> 250$ to do diagnoistics, will waive it if i get it repaired from them
[13:08:34] <zeeshan|2> no _methods i was just wearing brown skin
[13:08:38] <_methods> hehe
[13:08:46] <_methods> but new york is liberal
[13:08:56] <_methods> they don't have racists there
[13:08:58] <_methods> only in the south
[13:09:08] <ssi> we have plenty of racists in the south
[13:09:10] <zeeshan|2> well historically south has been the most racist
[13:09:21] <ssi> that's why white people are almost extinct
[13:09:42] <zeeshan|2> help me decide. plug in motor to drive
[13:09:43] <_methods> they all moved to macon
[13:09:44] <zeeshan|2> and see if it blows up
[13:09:49] <zeeshan|2> if it blows up i now its motor
[13:09:58] <zeeshan|2> then i buy 1.2kW motor and drive matched set
[13:09:58] <ssi> the drives are cheap
[13:09:59] <ssi> :P
[13:10:02] <zeeshan|2> dude
[13:10:05] <zeeshan|2> theyre getting rare on ebay
[13:10:07] <zeeshan|2> the ac version
[13:10:10] <ssi> it goes in cycles
[13:10:12] <zeeshan|2> damn people in here buying shit
[13:10:22] <ssi> I shouldn't have told you about them
[13:10:25] <ssi> hahah
[13:10:30] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[13:10:39] <zeeshan|2> dude, im been demoting amc in here
[13:10:42] <zeeshan|2> so people would stop buying them
[13:10:45] <ssi> lawl
[13:10:45] <zeeshan|2> more stock for us
[13:11:08] <_methods> well if someone would stop burning them all up.........
[13:11:14] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[13:11:18] <zeeshan|2> this 3rd one hasnt burned so far
[13:11:22] <zeeshan|2> but the motor hasnt been hooked up
[13:11:28] <ssi> between the two of us we've killed a lot of those drives :P
[13:11:31] <zeeshan|2> im really hoping it's what pcw said . a transient problem
[13:11:34] <zeeshan|2> w/ me having one drive on l2
[13:11:37] <zeeshan|2> isntead of all of em on l1
[13:11:46] <zeeshan|2> ssi: youve only killed one
[13:11:51] <zeeshan|2> the other wasnt your fault lol
[13:11:56] <ssi> well technically it was
[13:11:56] <zeeshan|2> ive blown up 3
[13:12:22] <zeeshan|2> but you have to admit
[13:12:26] <zeeshan|2> theyre not well design drives
[13:12:35] <zeeshan|2> like if you compare it to say a yaskawa drive
[13:12:38] <zeeshan|2> or even allen bradley
[13:12:46] <zeeshan|2> those drives have a proper chassis
[13:12:55] <zeeshan|2> no bullshit like "Screwdriver slips and shorts shit"
[13:13:01] <ssi> yea I thought the same thing about those parker drives
[13:13:03] <ssi> but they screwed me
[13:13:09] <zeeshan|2> they were blown?
[13:13:13] <ssi> no
[13:13:16] <ssi> they are useless
[13:13:22] <zeeshan|2> why
[13:13:38] <ssi> because they have no velocity or torque mode
[13:13:48] <zeeshan|2> wtf do they have
[13:13:50] <ssi> the only way you can run them is to set them up internally and send them serial commands
[13:13:50] <zeeshan|2> current mode only?
[13:13:53] <ssi> position mode only
[13:13:55] <witnit> i have 6 yaskawa in operation that ran back in the late 80, early 90s
[13:13:57] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:13:58] <ssi> and you can't run them realtime
[13:14:13] <zeeshan|2> sounds like something thats meant to control
[13:14:14] <ssi> I have SIX of the bastards :(
[13:14:16] <zeeshan|2> hydraulic actuators
[13:14:25] <zeeshan|2> servohydraulic
[13:14:28] <ssi> they get used a lot for conveyor systems
[13:14:42] <witnit> I want some servohydraulic
[13:14:45] <witnit> gimme
[13:14:49] <zeeshan|2> we has at school
[13:14:55] <zeeshan|2> all our presses are servo hydraulic
[13:14:57] <zeeshan|2> shit is cool
[13:15:19] <witnit> are they accurate or just "cnc"
[13:15:28] <zeeshan|2> well we can hold a thou easily
[13:15:49] <zeeshan|2> its a press so we usually run it in force feedback mode
[13:15:58] <zeeshan|2> and punch displacement is more important
[13:16:08] <zeeshan|2> and that can hold a thou easy
[13:16:15] <witnit> I thought about replacing the hydraulic slides on my hardinge with servo actuated control vavle
[13:16:46] <ssi> when you do, send me the slides
[13:16:49] <ssi> I don't have them for mine
[13:16:50] <zeeshan|2> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8569/16298481399_69f157cca5_h.jpg
[13:16:54] <zeeshan|2> picked this up
[13:16:57] <zeeshan|2> i inspected the tools
[13:16:59] <zeeshan|2> only one is bad
[13:17:07] <zeeshan|2> and 2 nuts are bad
[13:17:15] <ssi> dang, nice
[13:17:15] <ssi> how much
[13:17:24] <zeeshan|2> 300 w/ the racks
[13:17:31] <ssi> not bad at all
[13:17:31] <witnit> well i plan to use them, i just want to control them with cnc instead of an adjustable button
[13:17:34] <zeeshan|2> there is a cabinet too but i couldnt bring it cause it wouldnt fit in my car
[13:17:38] <ssi> are they the right taper for your machine?
[13:17:41] <zeeshan|2> yes
[13:17:42] <zeeshan|2> cat40
[13:18:06] <witnit> what machines do you have ssi?
[13:18:13] <ssi> I have an HNC
[13:18:20] <ssi> and a cinci sabre 500
[13:18:23] <ssi> and a southbend heavy 10
[13:18:27] <ssi> and an enco 9x42
[13:18:33] <ssi> and a 4x4' plasma table
[13:18:40] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16484748795/
[13:18:41] <ssi> and a reid 2C 6x18 grinder
[13:18:42] <zeeshan|2> wtf is this thing
[13:18:42] <witnit> pictures of the hnc?
[13:18:52] <ssi> and a diacro 18 turret punch press
[13:19:00] <ssi> and a G0602 converted
[13:19:05] <ssi> and a G0704 mid-conversion
[13:19:08] <ssi> I think that's it :D
[13:19:08] <zeeshan|2> holy shit
[13:19:10] <zeeshan|2> its a tapping chuck
[13:19:10] <_methods> tapping head
[13:19:29] <ssi> dang nice, does it have collets?
[13:19:32] <ssi> the collets can be expensive
[13:19:45] <_methods> they aren't too bad usually
[13:19:50] <zeeshan|2> i think that thing is a collet
[13:19:55] <_methods> no it has inserts
[13:19:56] <zeeshan|2> it says 5/8" on it
[13:20:06] <witnit> that it a tap holder it looks like
[13:20:06] <_methods> for diff size taps
[13:20:22] <witnit> does the bushing in it float?
[13:20:25] <_methods> yeah
[13:20:28] <zeeshan|2> that black thing spins
[13:20:48] <ssi> witnit: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/465123_811175720902_290089005_o.jpg
[13:20:52] <ssi> that's what it looked like when I got it
[13:21:19] <zeeshan|2> thats a huge control cabinet
[13:21:19] <zeeshan|2> lol
[13:21:23] <ssi> yeah
[13:21:24] <witnit> if you dont mind my asking what state do you live in ssi?
[13:21:26] <ssi> and it was FULL
[13:21:29] <ssi> witnit: georgia
[13:21:33] <witnit> damn
[13:21:47] <witnit> I just saw a chucker, michigan
[13:22:11] <ssi> I need to get my HNC set back up
[13:22:22] <ssi> I need to do a lot of things :(
[13:22:31] <ssi> need to set the plasma cutter back up too, and start building another laser
[13:22:35] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AHC-HARDINGE-AUTOMATIC-SUPER-PRECISION-LATHE-27019-/371236722957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item566f6ed90d
[13:22:35] <ssi> and finish the vmc retrofit
[13:22:42] <witnit> that would be a fun project
[13:22:47] <ssi> ugh no
[13:22:49] <ssi> you don't want an AHC
[13:22:50] <witnit> no?
[13:22:53] <witnit> why not?
[13:23:05] <ssi> they're all hydraulic and mechanical stops
[13:25:26] <witnit> I use a very similar machine, It has a turret in the back though, I just put a servo on it. and control each crosslide by triggering relays in sequence
[13:25:50] <witnit> 1 servo turret lathe
[13:26:10] <witnit> works great if you need 5,000 of something
[13:26:56] <ssi> if you have the machine, and you have repetetive jobs, sure
[13:27:03] <ssi> they don't make good linuxcnc retrofits tho
[13:27:16] <ssi> and that machine you linked isn't worth a third of the price they're asking
[13:27:18] <witnit> i run a screw machine shop, so yea repetitive is my thing :)
[13:27:25] <witnit> no, i bought mine for 250
[13:27:26] <witnit> hahahaha
[13:27:28] <ssi> I only paid $1000 for my HNC
[13:27:38] <witnit> nice
[13:27:55] <witnit> i got a dv-59 too in the deal
[13:28:24] <witnit> ended up spending more for a verticle slide and collet closer than i did the machine :)
[13:28:47] <zeeshan|2> anyone heard of
[13:28:49] <zeeshan|2> tg10 collets?
[13:29:00] <witnit> nay
[13:30:46] <toast-work> yep
[13:30:49] <toast-work> I've used them
[13:30:54] <toast-work> would prefer not to use them again
[13:30:54] <zeeshan|2> are they any good
[13:30:56] <zeeshan|2> why
[13:31:01] <toast-work> they get stuck in the taper
[13:31:12] <toast-work> and don't come out easy
[13:31:13] <zeeshan|2> i dont plan to remove the tool
[13:31:20] <zeeshan|2> i just wanna hold different tools
[13:31:20] <ssi> ever? :P
[13:31:25] <zeeshan|2> well sometimes
[13:31:32] <zeeshan|2> ive tried it on a 1/2" end mill
[13:31:33] <toast-work> then get a heat shrink tool holder
[13:31:35] <zeeshan|2> seemed to grip it fine
[13:31:41] <zeeshan|2> no
[13:31:43] <zeeshan|2> these were cheap
[13:31:50] <toast-work> yeah, they're cheap because everyone hates them
[13:31:59] <zeeshan|2> im curious how well they grip tools
[13:32:08] <toast-work> same as every other collet
[13:32:13] <zeeshan|2> ok sweet
[13:32:17] <zeeshan|2> thats all that matters to me :D
[13:32:42] <toast-work> i.e. if you really haul on it, it'll spin
[13:33:09] <zeeshan|2> 3 of the tool holders
[13:33:12] <zeeshan|2> use a collet ive never seen before
[13:33:12] <zeeshan|2> sk10
[13:33:14] <zeeshan|2> theyre diny
[13:33:17] <zeeshan|2> dinky
[13:33:25] <ssi> I had a spindle that used those
[13:33:27] <zeeshan|2> lyndex collets
[13:34:43] <zeeshan|2> looks like same price as er collets
[13:34:46] <witnit> ssi do you have a barloader/puller on yours?
[13:35:00] <toast-work> i have ALSO used those
[13:35:06] <toast-work> and they are just as much a pain in the dick
[13:37:12] <zeeshan|2> for some reason
[13:37:16] <zeeshan|2> i always fucked fuck on shell mill holders
[13:37:21] <zeeshan|2> first i ordered the wrong one
[13:37:26] <zeeshan|2> now these 2 that igot with this haul
[13:37:35] <zeeshan|2> theyre too big
[13:37:36] <zeeshan|2> !!!
[13:58:12] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16484748795/in/photostream/
[13:58:15] <zeeshan|2> man im lost as to how this works
[13:58:16] <zeeshan|2> lol
[13:58:23] <zeeshan|2> er i need a pic of th e front
[13:58:32] <Connor> >>
[13:58:37] <Connor> ??
[13:58:59] <zeeshan|2> ??
[13:59:09] <Connor> How what works?
[13:59:15] <zeeshan|2> that tapping chuck
[13:59:16] <Connor> That looks like a collet rack.
[13:59:36] <zeeshan|2> look at the tool damn it
[13:59:37] <zeeshan|2> ahha
[14:01:32] <Connor> If it's a tapping chuck. it's probably setup to hold a tap on 4 sides maybe ?
[14:01:45] <Connor> the square ended taps?
[14:03:03] <Rab> zeeshan|2, http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/part_pics/19719b.jpg
[14:03:27] <Connor> zeeshan|2: Figure out the driver failure ?
[14:04:18] <Rab> Looks like it takes quick-change inserts, which actually hold the taps.
[14:04:48] <zeeshan|2> connor no
[14:05:20] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7375/16297564118_5ec3532bcb_h.jpg
[14:05:23] <zeeshan|2> front of tool
[14:05:50] <Rab> Oh, it's got an insert installed.
[14:05:53] <zeeshan|2> is that whole thing supposed to pull out
[14:05:58] <zeeshan|2> and if so, how?!
[14:06:07] <Rab> http://img3.annuncicdn.it/96/c6/96c636464daca65cfb93302035ebb40f_orig.jpg
[14:06:07] <Connor> slide it back..
[14:06:11] <Connor> the outer coller
[14:06:23] <zeeshan|2> rab youre a google king
[14:06:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[14:06:25] <_methods> yeah it pulls out
[14:06:34] <zeeshan|2> what keeps the tap in?
[14:06:35] <_methods> you put in an insert for your tap size
[14:06:42] <_methods> ball baearings i think
[14:06:45] <_methods> pull the insert out
[14:06:49] <zeeshan|2> ok lemme try
[14:06:50] <Rab> http://img3.annuncicdn.it/9f/af/9faf609591808780847419dca33660b5_orig.jpg
[14:07:04] <Rab> Looks like ball bearing collar.
[14:07:06] <_methods> pull the head back and the insert should be able to come out
[14:07:49] <Rab> You can see from the back how the inserts are sized for individual taps: http://img2.annuncicdn.it/0a/9c/0a9c9c4eada1a58b68cf3160550d53b4_orig.jpg
[14:08:25] <_methods> i think some you have to compress the had back and twist it then the insert will come out
[14:08:30] <_methods> s/had/head
[14:09:21] <_methods> http://www.bilzusa.com/parts_info.php?tool=tapping_WFLK_chuck_cylindrical
[14:09:45] <_methods> http://www.bilz.de/fileadmin/Bilz/Produkte_Einzelseiten_Download/Gewinden/Kapitel_TapGrip_2014/WFLK_58-65_8-2014.pdf
[14:10:48] <_methods> haha the instructions are hilarious
[14:11:40] <_methods> well the translation at least
[14:13:06] <FinboySlick> As I understand, most auto-drawbars are pneumatic. Are there working electro-magnetic examples or would it be too difficult to reliably generate the necessary forces over the typical clamping distance?
[14:13:34] <_methods> that would be ugly in a power outage situation i think
[14:14:16] <FinboySlick> Well, from what I understand, spring pressure is what holds the tool. Pneumatic force is what releases it, no?
[14:14:30] <_methods> oh true
[14:14:50] <_methods> i thought you were talking about holding it with magnets
[14:14:56] <FinboySlick> I was just wondering if there are spindles doing it with an electro-magnet.
[14:15:06] <_methods> not sure
[14:15:06] <FinboySlick> Nah, that'd be pretty insane.
[14:15:57] <FinboySlick> Yo pete.
[14:16:45] <PetefromTn_> hellp
[14:16:47] <PetefromTn_> hello
[14:16:49] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:16:53] <rue_shop3> I'm starting to understand the print bed adhesion is exponential with temperature. how about a show of hands, who has to scrape their print so hard it usually tears up the tape off the bed? (unheated bed) ???
[14:17:01] <Deejay> hi PetefromTn_
[14:17:07] <PetefromTn_> HEY DEEJAY!!
[14:17:30] <Deejay> yay \o/
[14:17:55] <_methods> wrong room
[14:23:03] <Tom_itx> be careful if you see some amc drives on ebay in the next few weeks
[14:23:29] * Tom_itx looks at zeeshan|2
[14:23:45] <Tom_itx> you making any headway?
[14:24:05] <ssi> witnit: no, no barfeeder on mine sadly
[14:24:11] <ssi> or cutoff slide or part chute
[14:26:15] <rue_shop3> wrong channel
[14:26:23] <rue_shop3> :)
[14:27:09] <rue_shop3> Tom_itx, I saw 5A axis driver boxes from china for $15 yesterday
[14:27:29] <rue_shop3> I cringed
[14:27:37] <Tom_itx> those are chinese amps
[14:27:46] <rue_shop3> yea
[14:29:15] <zeeshan|2> guess why i couldnt figure it out?
[14:29:24] <zeeshan|2> shit was jammed
[14:29:28] <zeeshan|2> those images you guys posted help a lot
[14:29:29] <Tom_itx> what was jammed?
[14:29:36] <zeeshan|2> the tapping chuck
[14:29:42] <zeeshan|2> was stick in the arbor
[14:29:47] <zeeshan|2> grease locked
[14:29:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[14:29:56] <Tom_itx> oh i thought you had a story about your Z drive
[14:29:59] <witnit> ssi i didnt have a barfeed either, so i did this for about $40 i suppose, grey pvc conduit, blackpipe liner, pushrod with leather seals. air from endcap on pipe 30lbs or so. pneumatic barload
[14:30:04] <zeeshan|2> some brake cleaner freed it up
[14:30:06] <zeeshan|2> works good now
[14:30:07] <ssi> nice
[14:30:32] <PetefromTn_> witnit please post what you are talking about if you have photos etc.
[14:30:54] <witnit> Petefromtn sorry no pics
[14:31:10] <Tom_itx> you have a hard stop it buts up against?
[14:31:21] <fluffybitchx> I turned my drives on before my laptop this time, and observed something odd: during the POST, the bios seems to be writing all sorts of stuff to the parallel port. do they all do this, or is my laptop odd?
[14:31:23] <witnit> yeah bolted on the back of the machine
[14:31:28] <witnit> just a collar
[14:32:02] <fluffybitchx> also, now I know to make very sure I don't turn them on in the wrong order, as there was a lot of movement.
[14:32:24] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: you dont have a breakout board
[14:32:25] <witnit> I just used a yoke and collar I could lift it off and slide the bar down the tube, pushing back the inner pushrod
[14:32:29] <zeeshan|2> with isolation?
[14:32:48] <fluffybitchx> ... isolation will just isolate whatever it is writing. :P
[14:33:11] <fluffybitchx> the board I have is semi-isolated. inputs and spindle control are isolated, step/dir is buffered.
[14:34:42] <witnit> -----air line---{_|____black pipe_____] {}--pushrod-{}----------
[14:34:45] <witnit> PetefromTn_, ^^
[14:35:01] <witnit> hahaha pictures ahahha
[14:35:26] <PetefromTn_> how did you accomplish the floating pneumatics part?
[14:35:40] <witnit> taper cone on end of pushrod
[14:35:47] <witnit> low pressure when spindle turning
[14:36:06] <witnit> little bearing behind the cone
[14:36:12] <witnit> so the bar is suspended
[14:36:23] <witnit> between collet and cone
[14:37:15] <PetefromTn_> so other than the spinning cone the rest is not affixed to the machine itself
[14:37:36] <witnit> not the spindle no
[14:37:42] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: yea but w/ some breakout boards
[14:37:46] <zeeshan|2> the i/o section stays off
[14:38:00] <zeeshan|2> till you power up fully
[14:38:05] <zeeshan|2> ie 7i77 :)_
[14:38:15] <fluffybitchx> for putting flats on my motor shafts, should I try to cut them with an endmill, or just grab my angle grinder and have at it?
[14:38:16] <witnit> just held to the stand and a yoke behind spindle
[14:38:27] <PetefromTn_> I am going to want to have a pneumatic 5c collet drawbar and have been working on a design to machine one for the Standard Modern lathe here.
[14:38:27] <fluffybitchx> yes, if you spend $200 instead of $9, you get more features.
[14:38:29] <Connor> witnit What is this for ?
[14:38:30] <ssi> they're probably harder than you'd like
[14:38:37] <witnit> barfeed
[14:38:41] <ssi> just beware of grinding dust in your bearings
[14:38:54] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[14:38:58] <zeeshan|2> grind dust in bearings is a good thing
[14:39:00] <zeeshan|2> it polishes them
[14:39:02] <ssi> :D
[14:39:04] <fluffybitchx> yes, I suspect they're fairly hard...
[14:39:05] <zeeshan|2> :D
[14:39:12] <fluffybitchx> and my plan was a rag around the shaft. heh.
[14:39:15] <witnit> PetefromTn_, I will take pictures soon and show you how i did the push rod and mounting the collar and such
[14:39:16] <jdh> there was a collet chuck article in a mag in the last year or so
[14:39:21] <ssi> do you do port n' polish on your racecar by dumping blast media in the intake?
[14:39:24] <ssi> cause that's teh best way
[14:39:26] <ssi> everyone knows
[14:39:27] <PetefromTn_> a bar feeder of some sort at a later date is a foregone conclusion
[14:39:28] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: theyre not hard at all
[14:39:34] <Connor> fluffybitchx: Painters tape...
[14:39:38] <fluffybitchx> but, doing it with machine tools will make a nice neat flat, while a handheld anglegrinder will make an ugly flat.
[14:39:38] <witnit> off the the shop =D
[14:39:44] <witnit> to the*
[14:39:45] <zeeshan|2> i machined mine w/ an end mill
[14:39:45] <witnit> haha
[14:39:46] <ssi> fluffybitchx: surface grinder! :D
[14:39:51] <zeeshan|2> the hardest part is stopping the motor shaft from spinning
[14:39:56] <PetefromTn_> witnit thank you.
[14:40:10] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i disagree
[14:40:16] <zeeshan|2> you can do a good job with an angle grinder
[14:40:18] <zeeshan|2> if you take your time
[14:40:21] <fluffybitchx> maybe YOU can.
[14:40:25] <fluffybitchx> I have shakey paws.
[14:43:04] <fluffybitchx> stopping the shaft from spinning is easy. flip the power switch on the drive box. :P
[14:44:53] <zeeshan|2> :)
[14:45:02] <zeeshan|2> mine had a dual shaft
[14:45:24] <zeeshan|2> so i used a shitty drill chuck with a vise grip on the body of the drill chuck
[14:45:26] <zeeshan|2> :)
[14:45:34] <fluffybitchx> that works too, but I figured just letting the motor hold itself in place was much easier.
[14:45:52] <zeeshan|2> wasn't sure if it'd make it loose steps
[14:45:54] <zeeshan|2> didnt wanna take a chance
[14:46:05] <PetefromTn_> I had more luck honestly with pinning the shafts to the pullies on the RF45 I built.
[14:46:24] <rue_shop3> the cam package I'm looking at, dosn't seem to use arcs, it looks like its builting everything into line segments
[14:46:58] <zeeshan|2> yea i hate flats on a shaft
[14:47:35] <fluffybitchx> one of my three motors is drilled for a pin, but of course it doesn't match my pullies.
[14:47:47] <fluffybitchx> the rest of the mill is built with flats.
[14:47:54] <ssi> rue_shop3: that's pretty common
[14:48:02] <toast-work> most cam packages do everything with line segments
[14:48:12] <toast-work> since the circular interpolation, internally, is done the same way
[14:49:23] <fluffybitchx> the motor I have for Z is crappier than the pair I have for X and Y... I'm hoping having a slow Z axis doesn't turn into an annoyance.
[15:05:18] <anarchos> speaking of grinding flats, does anyone else have a cncfusion kit?
[15:05:40] <anarchos> my ball screws don't have flats, and i was wondering if that was an oversight or if i'm expected to do it myself :P
[15:06:11] <anarchos> just seemed a bit weird to sell a kit where everything is done for you and all you have to do is drill two holes...then send ball screws with no flats on the shaft :P
[15:07:47] <jdh> you dont use flats for all couplers
[15:08:06] <jdh> easy enough to file a flat
[15:08:27] <anarchos> oh no? I just kinda assumed mine needed them, since my couple is just a set screw holding onto a round bar
[15:08:55] <anarchos> i think it might be where i'm loosing z-steps, with the relatively high weight of my spindle/head
[15:09:02] <zeeshan|2> you know one cool thing ive recently started trying out
[15:09:15] <zeeshan|2> that i think works better than a flat
[15:10:01] <zeeshan|2> you put the pull on the shaft, take transfer screw, thread it in
[15:10:31] <zeeshan|2> after the mark is transfered, use a hand drill to jump the shaft
[15:10:36] <zeeshan|2> jump = dimple
[15:11:17] <anarchos> oh yeah, that would work too i bet
[15:11:26] <anarchos> just a little indentation for the set screw
[15:11:44] <zeeshan|2> you might shear it
[15:11:46] <zeeshan|2> if its to oshallow
[15:12:12] <zeeshan|2> can always do the math :P
[15:12:26] <fluffybitchx> works great until you realize it's in the wrong spot...
[15:14:41] <anarchos> lol
[15:14:50] <zeeshan|2> im abou tto hook up my Z axis motor
[15:14:51] <zeeshan|2> :p
[15:15:42] <jdh> bzzzzzz
[15:27:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/design-tools
[15:29:35] <CaptHindsight> the unlimited connections version costs less than the limited to 1500
[15:36:01] <zeeshan|2> i am a happy person
[15:36:02] <zeeshan|2> !!!!!!!!!!!
[15:36:06] <zeeshan|2> IT DIDNT BLOW UP
[15:36:31] <zeeshan|2> i made a video of it, but no point in uploading
[15:36:36] <zeeshan|2> no fireworks
[15:38:25] <zeeshan|2> 11 e-stops so far
[15:44:01] <Connor> zeeshan|2: What's changed ?
[15:44:11] <zeeshan|2> it can be only 2 things.
[15:44:15] <zeeshan|2> 1. the 2 drives were bad
[15:44:23] <zeeshan|2> or more than likely peter w. was right
[15:44:30] <zeeshan|2> moving from l2 to l1 fixed the problem
[15:44:38] <zeeshan|2> something to do with transient overvoltage
[15:44:49] <zeeshan|2> i really honestly didnt think that was the problem because my vfd which is also on l2 didnt blow up
[15:45:01] <zeeshan|2> but perhaps its input side can handle overvoltages a lot better than these shitty drives
[15:45:18] <Connor> OR.. Combination of the TWO
[15:45:31] <Connor> Weak Caps, and a transit overvoltage..
[15:45:48] <zeeshan|2> yes but the thing is it fried some sot-23 chip too
[15:46:06] <zeeshan|2> after reading about mosfets a bit
[15:46:29] <zeeshan|2> i think if they were indeed overvoltaged
[15:46:31] <zeeshan|2> they prolly passed 300 V
[15:46:36] <zeeshan|2> to the servo drive board
[15:46:50] <Connor> How would they have overvolted ?
[15:47:03] <zeeshan|2> pcw was saying something about a transient overvoltage
[15:47:07] <zeeshan|2> where when i kill 2 of my drives on l1
[15:47:17] <zeeshan|2> it blocks the neutral for the z drive
[15:47:19] <zeeshan|2> for 30 ms or so
[15:47:31] <zeeshan|2> which is enough to cause a large voltage spike
[15:48:06] <zeeshan|2> hows your kitchen|?
[15:48:18] <zeeshan|2> the other day i fixed my thermostatic mixing valve
[15:48:24] <zeeshan|2> that thing has so much calcification in there
[15:48:33] <zeeshan|2> was only getting luke warm water
[15:48:40] <zeeshan|2> finally have hot water again!
[15:49:52] <Connor> Got the plumbing done for the drain. now to remove some trim around the window.. shut water off and remove the old ball valves for the hot and cold water.. install sheet rock and put new ball valves on.
[15:50:17] <jdh> what a pain
[15:50:51] <zeeshan|2> fun
[15:51:05] <Connor> Debating about removing the trim. I could cut the old sheetrock off right below the window...
[15:51:31] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/IMG_2281.JPG
[15:52:07] <Connor> 4 x 8 sheet will cover that up and go about 6" up the window.
[15:52:15] <Connor> then new wall board goes on.
[15:52:28] <fluffybitchx> have you done a neutral test yet?
[15:52:38] <zeeshan|2> why do you wanna remove the trim
[15:52:41] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i did
[15:52:46] <zeeshan|2> the other day with stuff turned on
[15:52:50] <Connor> sheetrock goes behind the trim
[15:52:51] <zeeshan|2> there was 0 v between netural bus bar and ground
[15:52:59] <fluffybitchx> how much load did you put on it, and what did it read to ground?
[15:53:17] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: the same amount of load that caused it to blow up
[15:53:20] <zeeshan|2> 0
[15:53:31] <zeeshan|2> i dont think im gonna capture the neutral spike
[15:53:34] <zeeshan|2> without a scope
[15:54:04] <fluffybitchx> put large loads between l1 and neutral. space heaters, 500W halogen shoplights, etc.
[15:54:24] <Connor> I'm going to install wall boxes for the dishwasher and garbage disposal. Garbage disposal had one.. but.. it was on the inside of the cabinet..
[15:54:33] <Connor> dishwasher was wired direct.
[15:54:37] <zeeshan|2> i got 3 servo drives, 1 vfd, 3 power supplies
[15:54:40] <zeeshan|2> runing of l1 and n
[15:54:43] <zeeshan|2> thats a pretty big load?
[15:54:59] <fluffybitchx> no
[15:55:05] <zeeshan|2> Connor: trim is usually nailed in
[15:55:07] <zeeshan|2> i'd prolly remove the trim
[15:55:11] <zeeshan|2> it'll be easier to put the dry wall back on
[15:55:11] <fluffybitchx> in an idle condition, they pull very little.
[15:55:19] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: not trying to argue
[15:55:26] <zeeshan|2> but it blew up in the same state
[15:55:35] <roycroft> my garbage disposal has a receptacle inside the cabinet that's controlled by a switch above the cabinet
[15:55:35] <zeeshan|2> so i should be able to pick it up
[15:55:42] <roycroft> i think that's pretty common
[15:55:47] <roycroft> my dishwasher is also direct wired
[15:55:57] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: mine too
[15:56:00] <zeeshan|2> i found that a bit odd.
[15:56:06] <zeeshan|2> i thought it'd have a disconnet s/w
[15:56:15] <roycroft> the dishwasher?
[15:56:19] <zeeshan|2> yes
[15:56:21] <roycroft> it does
[15:56:22] <zeeshan|2> its on a 115v 15a
[15:56:24] <roycroft> in the main panel :)
[15:56:28] <zeeshan|2> yea
[15:56:36] <zeeshan|2> but usually for a 240v circuit you need a disconnect right next to the machine
[15:56:40] <zeeshan|2> like look at your ac
[15:56:43] <roycroft> appliances are supposed to be on dedicated circuits
[15:56:46] <zeeshan|2> or hot tub
[15:56:48] <roycroft> right
[15:56:58] <zeeshan|2> actually you got a point too
[15:57:00] <zeeshan|2> my dryer draws 40A
[15:57:07] <zeeshan|2> but its on a receptable
[15:57:11] <zeeshan|2> *receptacle
[15:57:19] <roycroft> mine is too
[15:57:27] <roycroft> but the main breaker box is directly above it
[15:57:34] <roycroft> so it does not have and should not need a separate disconnect
[15:57:44] <zeeshan|2> well i think its either you have a disconnect
[15:57:46] <zeeshan|2> or have a plug
[15:57:58] <zeeshan|2> i havent read that part of the code in a while :P
[15:58:14] <zeeshan|2> my cnc machine is directly wired from a 100A breaker with no disconnect
[15:58:17] <zeeshan|2> pretty sure thats illegal
[15:58:19] <roycroft> my brew system is on a breaker that's in another room
[15:58:21] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:58:39] <roycroft> that was some weird wiring
[15:58:50] <roycroft> the brew system receptacle is right near the main panel
[15:59:11] <fluffybitchx> one of my motors seems to have a slightly bent shaft. not going to be a problem, but I can definitely eyeball a tiny bit of runout.
[15:59:12] <roycroft> but 1. i did not want to tear up the walls, and 2. i did not have a space in the main panel for another circuit
[15:59:13] <zeeshan|2> voltage/amps of brew system?
[15:59:23] <roycroft> so i backhauled it to a subpanel in another room
[15:59:25] <roycroft> 250vac/50a
[15:59:41] <zeeshan|2> thats some serious draw
[15:59:42] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:59:50] <zeeshan|2> welder territory
[15:59:58] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: bend it back
[16:00:02] <roycroft> well i run a 6000w heating element and a 1400w heating element at the same time quite often
[16:00:07] <roycroft> plus control circuitry and pumps
[16:00:16] <roycroft> my kettle is gas fired
[16:00:17] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: the point of adding all the loads is to get a measurement that simulates what it might measure while powering up various devices, in a steady-state and easy to measure condition.
[16:00:27] <roycroft> it would need to be 75a if i had an electric kettle
[16:00:32] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: it hasn't blown up
[16:00:33] <zeeshan|2> be happy!
[16:00:39] <zeeshan|2> i jogged the axis too
[16:00:51] <roycroft> 6ga wire is pretty expensive
[16:00:59] <roycroft> it was an expensive backhaul, to be sure
[16:00:59] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: no way man
[16:01:00] <zeeshan|2> thatseverywhere
[16:01:05] <zeeshan|2> 3 gauge is expensive!
[16:01:25] <roycroft> when i got my gtaw welder i scored pretty well
[16:01:42] <roycroft> my welding shop has no power, so i needed a 100' 6ga extension cord to run the welder
[16:01:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[16:02:00] <zeeshan|2> that mus tbe a heavy cord
[16:02:01] <roycroft> i was getting prices of $500 and up everywhere for that much soow
[16:02:02] <Connor> I think I'm going to install a receptacle under the sink for both dishwasher and disposal.
[16:02:06] <Connor> in the wall.
[16:02:14] <jdh> isnt that non code
[16:02:21] <roycroft> but i found a 100' coil on the home depot website for $300 with free shipping
[16:02:34] <zeeshan|2> thatd cost about 220
[16:02:34] <Connor> Why would it be none code ?
[16:02:36] <zeeshan|2> at graybar.ca
[16:02:56] <roycroft> zeeshan|2: i have a hose reel on pneumatic wheels to store and cart the extension cord around
[16:02:58] <Connor> jdh: or you talking to zeeshan|2?
[16:03:03] <fluffybitchx> look for people scrapping mobile homes. they're often wired with 6/4 or 4/4 in flex conduit.
[16:03:07] <zeeshan|2> Connor: it'd be not to code if it wasn't gfci
[16:03:56] <zeeshan|2> i know csa says osmething like
[16:04:02] <zeeshan|2> within a 6 foot of a sink
[16:04:04] <zeeshan|2> needs to be gfci
[16:04:11] <Connor> Can you switch a GFI socket ?
[16:04:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.zorocanada.com/i/G4560875/?gclid=COD5jtLq1cMCFQyCaQod5a0Axw
[16:04:38] <zeeshan|2> you can get one of those
[16:04:46] <zeeshan|2> 15a or whatever your wiring is for
[16:04:56] <fluffybitchx> I've found nusicance tripping of gfcis to be annoying enough to make me not want them.
[16:05:11] <zeeshan|2> yea but for a kitchen receptacle its not a big deal
[16:05:15] <zeeshan|2> its not like he's gonna be hooking vfds on there
[16:05:16] <Connor> I know what a gfci is..
[16:05:24] <zeeshan|2> connor i guess i didnt get your q then
[16:05:30] <zeeshan|2> 'switch a gfci'?
[16:05:49] <fluffybitchx> I tripped a gfci in my kitchen! I had to get a ground-prong-removal adapter to stop it...
[16:05:54] <Connor> Is it permissible to feed a GFCI with a switched circuit.
[16:06:10] <Deejay> gn8
[16:06:30] <zeeshan|2> youd need to see code for that :p
[16:06:37] <zeeshan|2> logically i dont see why you couldnt
[16:06:37] <fluffybitchx> of course, it's because I was powering a large switching supply in the kitchen...
[16:06:40] <zeeshan|2> as long as you're siwtching the hot.
[16:06:52] <zeeshan|2> you might cause the gfci to trip though
[16:07:23] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: mad scientist
[16:07:24] <fluffybitchx> I've had switched gfcis and never had one trip due to switching.
[16:07:49] <fluffybitchx> just like how when the power goes out, every gfci in the house doesn't trip. :)
[16:08:00] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[16:08:29] <zeeshan|2> i like to look @ code for this sort of stuff though
[16:08:33] <zeeshan|2> even though it makes logical sense
[16:08:46] <zeeshan|2> you never know there is one scenario where it horribly goes wrojng :P
[16:08:55] * zeeshan|2 stares at blown drives
[16:09:10] <zeeshan|2> this morning i actually woke up
[16:09:16] * fluffybitchx stares at zeeshan for refusing to do tests to help identify why they blew
[16:09:18] <zeeshan|2> dreaming i was an electron in a capacitor
[16:09:23] <zeeshan|2> and i b lew up
[16:09:26] <zeeshan|2> weird dream
[16:09:50] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i'll load a g-code
[16:10:01] <zeeshan|2> and measure the neutral bar to ground bar
[16:10:22] <zeeshan|2> ill turn on the hydraulic and coolant pumps too
[16:10:23] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor
[16:10:41] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna be shoving a space heater in there cause its not easy to wire
[16:10:48] <zeeshan|2> i kidna wish i put a receptacle inside the panel.
[16:11:17] <fluffybitchx> ugh, I snacked on too many of my lead-tainted gingersnaps, and now I don't feel well.
[16:12:30] <zeeshan|2> bbl need to work :{
[16:17:31] <fluffybitchx> and I need to head to storage to pick up more mill parts. bbl.
[16:20:38] <Connor> Hmm.. Garbage disposal on one circuit.. dishwasher on it's own.. I don't think anything in the kitchen has GFCI
[16:23:33] <skunksleep> fluffybitchx: archivist said to mentioned parallel vs series wiring takes different current in stepping motors
[16:27:09] <anarchos22> think an aquarium pump would put out enough air to run a fogless mister?
[16:27:14] <skunksleep> (You would have to do the research because I don't remember)
[16:28:48] <anarchos22> they're all measured in GPH, no type of PSI ratings at all
[16:29:16] <anarchos22> i'm sure it can do the volume of air (the mister has a 0.04 inch nozzle), just not sure about getting upto 15 psi
[16:32:23] <anarchos22> ooh, maybe one of those cheapo 12v tire inflator compressors would work
[16:39:23] <MacGalempsy> hello\
[16:40:07] <PetefromTn_> why do you want to use such a small compressor?
[16:40:43] <anarchos22> according to my very rought calculations, 20PSI through a 0.04" nozzle would equate to 0.4 cfm, which is 11 L/min, roughly. This $11 tire inflator is rated to 35 L/min (from aliexpress, could just be a made up number)
[16:42:00] <anarchos22> PetefromTn_, I severely lack space. My shop is a walk in closet. Also, I'm poor, $11 vs the cost of a real compressor...
[16:42:26] <PetefromTn_> well this project with the vacuum hold down has shown me that prodigious flood coolant while great for surface finish and chip evacuation is less than ideal for the vacuum seals. A good mister design would go a long way to making this a more viable option for future projects.
[16:43:01] <renesis> petefromtn_: were the parts sliding?
[16:43:05] <PetefromTn_> no
[16:43:17] <renesis> it just sucked coolant up?
[16:43:30] <PetefromTn_> but the seals have a way of sucking thru the coolant which gets into the lines and without my new water trap would make it into the pump
[16:43:59] <renesis> heh, how fast is it filling the trap?
[16:44:02] <PetefromTn_> the vacuum force is impressive really
[16:44:09] <renesis> thats cool
[16:44:13] <PetefromTn_> oh it never came close to filling the trap
[16:44:22] <renesis> so whats the problem?!
[16:44:35] <PetefromTn_> but after a couple programs there would be like maybe three or four teaspoons in the trap
[16:45:09] <PetefromTn_> if the chips were evacuated by a mister it would not even be an issue whatsoever most likely.
[16:45:16] <renesis> its sucking it in just during cycling?
[16:45:21] <PetefromTn_> that and I think it would be cool to have BOTH
[16:45:23] <Rab> Does misting evacuate chips?
[16:46:16] <PetefromTn_> well I tried three different O-ring gasket types of materials and unfortunately the one that holds the parts from moving the best is somewhat porous
[16:46:19] <renesis> prob not from pockets?
[16:46:32] <Rab> I think you need some physical force or agitation. The improved lubrication would help the tool clear the chips, probably.
[16:46:37] <PetefromTn_> so while the cutting is happening it is continually sucking small amounts of coolant thru the gasket
[16:47:05] <Rab> PetefromTn_, been checking the oil in the pump for any more contamination?
[16:47:05] <PetefromTn_> actually yeah a good mister is MOSTLY compressed air so if setup properly it would evacuate chips.
[16:47:14] <PetefromTn_> sure
[16:47:18] <Rab> PetefromTn_, ahh, I get it.
[16:47:19] <renesis> you used the foam santoprene?
[16:47:20] <PetefromTn_> there is none really
[16:47:27] <PetefromTn_> no
[16:47:36] <PetefromTn_> this was a neoprene type as I recall.
[16:47:59] <renesis> oh, similar, kinda spongy
[16:48:00] <PetefromTn_> if all you had to do was cutout and engrave or machine on the surface the vacuum hold down is great option
[16:48:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is kinda spongy
[16:48:29] <PetefromTn_> my wife watched me suck down two parts when the gaskets were completely dry
[16:48:49] <Rab> PetefromTn_, been viewing your project with interest. I would like to mill and engrave thin plate, and vacuum holding seems like a good solution.
[16:48:58] <PetefromTn_> and I put my fingers on the side of one of the parts and leaned against it with all my weight
[16:49:10] <PetefromTn_> and it would not move unless I gave it a jerking motion
[16:49:24] <PetefromTn_> it is indeed a good solution
[16:49:29] <renesis> rab: yeah seriously, im spending time thinking about how to move side clamps around to not crash engraving bits
[16:49:49] <PetefromTn_> do not expect to be hogging on it unless you have a LOT of surface arae...
[16:49:51] <PetefromTn_> area
[16:50:21] <PetefromTn_> these parts I am making have what I would call a medium amount of surface area but there are quite a few thru holes around the perimeter
[16:50:29] <renesis> an axis or my spindle would prob lock up first
[16:50:43] <PetefromTn_> the parts run is done now just need to deburr and finish the parts.
[16:51:42] <PetefromTn_> so I would say it was a success but I DID have to add some screws for the final operation as that was when the most coolant was getting sucked in... the rest of it, the engraving and the hole milling and rough partout was fine with pure vacuum...
[16:52:28] <PetefromTn_> if you machined it dry it would probably be perfectly fine but I seem to get a much better finish with the flood blowing stupid amounts of coolant onto the cutter.
[16:54:01] <PetefromTn_> I actually used to make some automotive emblems that look like shields that were about 2.75" tall and had no holes in them. I am curious as to whether I could get away with engraving and parting them off from the stock as they have a bit less surface area to them.
[16:54:14] <PetefromTn_> basically it is ALL about surface area.
[16:54:30] <PetefromTn_> the more flat smooth surface you can suck down the stronger the bond to the vacuum of course.
[16:54:55] <Rab> PetefromTn_, did you try the vacuum venturi thing? Maybe you could hook up to the outlet and use it for pressure to your mister, get a twofer.
[16:55:01] <PetefromTn_> for instance if I were to make that edge lit LED sign again the vacuum hold down would be the first choice for sure..
[16:55:20] <PetefromTn_> no I chickened out and bought the electric one.
[16:56:31] <PetefromTn_> the pump is very quiet and works great so far despite my inital sucking up of coolant into it. I drained it out and replennished the oil with fresh oil immediately upon noticing the problem tho so it may have run a minute or two at most with coolant in amongst the oil.
[16:57:49] <renesis> rab: vacuum venturi works, used for a tweeter torture device, very loud
[16:58:28] <PetefromTn_> as money and time permits my goal is to create a vacuum hold down pallet type fixture to hold parts on the VMC using the setup I have here. That will take some large aluminum plate and careful machiniing and I cannot afford to buy the plate at this time.
[16:59:08] <PetefromTn_> right now the ultimate goal is to get the Standard Modern Lathe fully retrofit so I can use it in the shop.
[16:59:13] <Rab> renesis, is there an outlet you can feel air pressure from and maybe tie into? Or is it vented inside the device?
[16:59:33] <renesis> http://www.mcmaster.com/#vacuum-pumps/=vu81b6
[16:59:36] <renesis> open exhaust
[16:59:46] <Rab> PetefromTn_, did you buy the Harbor Fright 2.5cfm pump?
[17:00:01] <renesis> http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/13445k87p1-c01al.png?ver=10583807
[17:00:28] <PetefromTn_> yes
[17:00:54] <Rab> Nifty. I assume restriction from trying to capture the exhaust reduces effectiveness somewhat.
[17:01:06] <renesis> rab: so like, you get more air out than you put in if youre vacuumed space isnt sealed
[17:01:20] <renesis> im sure it would but its tweakable
[17:01:44] <renesis> i woudlnt get the fixed version to push a coolant mister
[17:01:57] <Rab> renesis, does compressed air consumption increase or decrease when the vacuum port is restricted?
[17:02:55] <renesis> shrug
[17:03:42] <renesis> we didnt use it continuously and it was so much more than what we needed
[17:04:01] <renesis> but the device in general doesnt seem very restrictive
[17:04:08] <Rab> I'm trying to figure out if you can make a situation where the mister scales back pressure if the vacuum holddown breaks, to minimize coolant ingestion. ^_^
[17:04:49] <PetefromTn_> if you have a venturi vacuum pump coolant getting into it is probably not an issue...
[17:05:30] <PetefromTn_> it might cause little variances in the suction but it would just expel the coolant whereas the electric pump can be damaged by the coolant
[17:06:14] <renesis> well, it would just recycle it
[17:06:56] <Rab> Sure. But that would minimize coolant consumption.
[17:06:58] <renesis> i think it would take a ton of coolant to mess up the vacuum
[17:08:22] <Rab> " You must be satisfied with a 28.0 inch vacuum, and have a high capacity air compressor = it uses a lot of air.." <-- review of the HF venturi thing
[17:08:45] <renesis> ton of air
[17:08:59] <renesis> its shorting your air hose to ground, so to speak
[17:09:53] <renesis> it didnt seem resitrctive at all, and my guess is once you open the vacuum gate enough to affect the air flow, your vacuum starts dropping off
[17:10:00] <fluffybitchx> I have a couple small venturi pumps... they use a decent amount of air. haven't used the larger HF one.
[17:11:02] <Rab> The inefficiency seems like a real drawback. Hitting your compressor hard compared to a piston-type vacuum pump.
[17:11:44] <fluffybitchx> yes. they definitely use a lot more air than they suck.
[17:11:53] <renesis> right, makes sense if you have a compressor running all day anyway
[17:12:22] <fluffybitchx> venturi pumps are, assuming you have an inline filter to keep large particles of crap out, extremely reliable and maintenance free, and don't mind liquid, which are definite plusses.
[17:13:13] <renesis> the adjustability was nice for my thing
[17:13:49] <renesis> not sure how easy that is with a piston pump
[17:14:07] <fluffybitchx> a variable leak is always easy to build.
[17:14:19] <renesis> guess a bleed valve prob works
[17:14:22] <renesis> ya
[17:15:17] <renesis> and adjusting the venturi was kind of touchy, was like more, more, MORE, none
[17:16:07] <fluffybitchx> the little ones I have aren't adjustable, but they're really little... bricks about 2" by 1" by 1/2".
[17:16:55] <fluffybitchx> they use maybe 1cfm. I never measured the vacuum flow, but it wasn't bad, and could do a pretty good vacuum pressure.
[17:17:08] <renesis> yeah we got one like 6" long and maybe inch diameter
[17:17:25] <renesis> straight blew up the tweeters
[17:18:19] <Rab> I wonder what's inside the HF pump. Probably the same thing in a big plastic box.
[17:18:35] <renesis> http://www.mcmaster.com/#vacuum-pumps/=vu81ry
[17:18:53] <fluffybitchx> except probably of the lowest possible quality they could build and have it still stay in one piece long enough to get shipped to this country.
[17:18:57] <renesis> in the table i wonder if free air cfm is the vacuum input or the exhaust (vacuum + consumption)
[17:18:59] * fluffybitchx has been annoyed at chinese tools lately
[17:19:23] <fluffybitchx> free air cfm sounds like input to me...
[17:19:39] <renesis> from the compressor?
[17:19:46] <fluffybitchx> of vacuum
[17:19:54] <renesis> yeah i think so
[17:19:56] <fluffybitchx> free air cfm doesn't make much sense for a pressurized input
[17:20:23] <fluffybitchx> especially since it has an air consumption in cfm column.
[17:20:32] <renesis> right but it maybe means output to free air, so input plus vacuum
[17:21:31] <PetefromTn_> honestly I was somewhat impressed with the overall quality of the little vacuum pump
[17:21:37] <renesis> sucks more air than its using
[17:21:46] <PetefromTn_> and I have bought shitty tools from HF before
[17:21:52] <renesis> if its just the vacuum input
[17:22:02] <PetefromTn_> and been LESS than satisfied and returned them.
[17:22:13] <PetefromTn_> not saying it is the best thing ever whatsoever
[17:22:25] <PetefromTn_> but it is really pretty decent so far
[17:22:26] <renesis> vacuum pump is pretty simple
[17:22:31] <PetefromTn_> sure
[17:22:38] <PetefromTn_> but so is a chorded drill
[17:22:47] <PetefromTn_> and they managed to screw that up for me LOL
[17:22:56] <fluffybitchx> are you using the air venturi vacuum pump or the electric vane vacuum pump?
[17:22:57] <renesis> thats considerably more complicated!
[17:23:08] <renesis> venturi pump is just some tubes and holes
[17:23:15] <PetefromTn_> ?
[17:23:36] <fluffybitchx> ... does your vacuum pump have a power cord or an air hose? :P
[17:23:38] <renesis> oh you mean the piston pump from HF?
[17:23:48] <PetefromTn_> oh you mean the electric pump is more complicated than the venturi well yeah of course it is.
[17:24:12] <renesis> oh, yeah piston pump from HF is rolling dice, def more complicated than a drill
[17:24:22] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were talking about the quality of the electric pump
[17:24:47] <renesis> yeah i would skeptical
[17:24:51] <PetefromTn_> but yeah that is what I bought the 2.5 electric model
[17:24:58] <renesis> but i got a compressor from them and it worked
[17:24:59] <PetefromTn_> and it is as I said pretty nice so far.
[17:25:03] <fluffybitchx> I have the name-brand one the HF one is a clone of...
[17:25:16] <renesis> turned to rust left on a socal balcony
[17:25:18] <renesis> but it worked
[17:25:49] <fluffybitchx> ... if you think things rust in socal, try moving up here to coastalfarnorcal. :P
[17:25:50] <PetefromTn_> I actually have one of thier dual tank portable air compressors that I used for site work when I did custom cabinet installations.
[17:25:55] <PetefromTn_> had it for years
[17:25:56] <renesis> fluffybitchx: its prob QA rejects from the name brand's factory
[17:26:03] <renesis> thats what i think most of HF is
[17:26:05] <PetefromTn_> and it so far has never let me down.
[17:26:34] <PetefromTn_> I did buy their little air pressure regulator for it when I bought it. That was a piece of shit...
[17:26:35] <fluffybitchx> no, most of HF is clones. let's make copies of a successful product, but of inferior quality.
[17:27:02] <PetefromTn_> it leaked from day one and the little adjusting knob broke off
[17:27:09] <renesis> some of the hand tools look exactly like the huskky/cobalt shit at home depot and lowes
[17:27:12] <fluffybitchx> I got a couple chinese air compressors a long time ago, they all still work too. the oiled ones work a lot longer than the oilless ones.
[17:27:14] <renesis> just a bit rougher, less shiny
[17:27:37] <PetefromTn_> but the compressor and now this little vacuum pump seem to work very well and are quiet and smooth in operation.
[17:27:41] <fluffybitchx> that's because husky/cobalt/etc is also knockoff chinese junk. could well be the same as hf knockoff chinese junk...
[17:28:03] <renesis> well right, im saying HF is their leftovers
[17:28:15] <fluffybitchx> it's hard to get US-made tools these days... Craftsman is all chinese too now. (yes, including their wrenches and sockets)
[17:28:21] <renesis> who can afford american hand tools?
[17:28:30] <renesis> wiha screwdriver is like $30
[17:28:42] <fluffybitchx> unless you make enough money for the snapon truck to visit your shop, they're hard to get around here.
[17:28:55] <fluffybitchx> I usually buy used american.
[17:29:09] <fluffybitchx> my experience is a used american tool can be had for about the same as a new chinese tool, but will piss you off much less.
[17:30:16] <fluffybitchx> I'm pretty sure my $20 yard-sale 1930s craftsman drillpress will outlast a new drillpress from harbor freight. :)
[17:31:44] <fluffybitchx> complete with SKF bearings and a sticker proudly proclaiming them to be the most expensive bearings in the world.
[17:32:09] <Rab> renesis, Wiha is german.
[17:32:29] <renesis> german != chinese
[17:32:41] <renesis> for the purpose of this discussion german is super american
[17:32:59] <Rab> Of course, a Klein screwdriver is $30 too.
[17:33:28] <PetefromTn_> I have several Klein screwdrivers. They are worth their price
[17:33:41] <Rab> PetefromTn_, agreed.
[17:34:00] <LeelooMinai> Do they have internal motor to unscrew screws by itself? :)
[17:34:13] <fluffybitchx> I've tried finding US-made tools locally, and it's pretty hard. I was jabbering with the manager at one of the hardware stores, and he said he simply can't get most things US-made. he pointed to the lack of any US-made home-shop-sized table saws as something he'd tried hard to get...
[17:34:14] <Rab> I have a Milwaukee thing for that.
[17:34:41] <fluffybitchx> he was thinking he might try putting in a Proto shelf, something I encouraged.
[17:34:54] <renesis> machine supply places usually have american tools
[17:35:02] <renesis> usually even more than buying online =(
[17:35:07] <fluffybitchx> right, and you know how many machine supply places there are here?
[17:35:12] <fluffybitchx> hint: a very, very round number.
[17:35:55] <JT-Shop> tjb1, you around?
[17:36:13] <renesis> i dont think we have a grainger here
[17:36:16] <fluffybitchx> I tried finding a 1/8 endmill once, and called every place that sold tools, and every machine shop, and no one had one they'd sell nor knew where to get one locally. finally ordered online.
[17:36:19] <Rab> Grainger does carry Klein.
[17:36:21] <renesis> we have HF and an air gas
[17:37:00] <renesis> yeah nearest grainger is 100mi away
[17:37:29] <fluffybitchx> no idea where a grainger is nearest to here, since I've never seen one, ever.
[17:37:44] <renesis> maps says sac
[17:37:53] <Rab> Fastenal only seem to carry Gearwrench, which I doubt is made anywhere near USA.
[17:37:57] <renesis> oh wait, redding
[17:37:57] <fluffybitchx> if their store prices are anything like their online prices, I'd try to stay out of there. heh.
[17:38:03] <Rab> Although they sure do price it like that.
[17:38:07] <fluffybitchx> redding isn't too bad, about 3 hours...
[17:38:32] <tjb1> JT-Shop: maybe
[17:38:39] <renesis> need to go to redding to get my ears stabbed
[17:38:51] <fluffybitchx> ... that sounds unpleasant.
[17:39:00] <Rab> fluffybitchx, so you're not actually looking for a local place which sells US-made tools (at list price).
[17:39:03] <renesis> usually over before i know it started
[17:39:29] <tjb1> tried to go to radioshack to get capacitors...closed at 6
[17:39:33] <fluffybitchx> I'm looking for a place that sells good tools at reasonable prices. grainger isn't reasonable.
[17:39:44] <renesis> grainger is retail
[17:39:50] <tjb1> fluffybitchx: grizzly?
[17:39:55] <fluffybitchx> you sure there's one in redding? their online store locator doesn't show it.
[17:39:56] <renesis> cant wait tax
[17:40:00] <fluffybitchx> they say the nearest is sac.
[17:40:03] <renesis> sec
[17:40:03] <Rab> Hie thee to a flea market.
[17:40:15] <fluffybitchx> actually, the nearest is rhonert park.
[17:40:34] <renesis> Grainger 5080 Caterpillar Road Redding, CA 96003
[17:41:02] <tjb1> McMaster in california?
[17:41:11] <renesis> they have an LA warehouse
[17:41:27] <fluffybitchx> "Dec 7, 2011 - Grainger will close its Redding branch in three weeks, ending a nearly 30-year existence in the north state. The location on Caterpillar Road ..."
[17:41:38] <renesis> that sucks
[17:41:43] <renesis> so yeah, sac
[17:41:59] <tjb1> Does that mean they are going to have a RadioShack "sale"?
[17:42:01] <fluffybitchx> rhonert park is slightly closer than sac, but may well be smaller....
[17:42:11] <tjb1> Where they discount their already astronomical prices and they still are too expensive
[17:42:12] <renesis> fluffybitchx: so $100 in gas to pay more!
[17:42:34] <fluffybitchx> tjb1: since it's 2011, "had" is the right term.
[17:42:36] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Whats up boss?
[17:43:08] <JT-Shop> I think I have Marlin u/l to the ramps
[17:43:50] <fluffybitchx> around here, we have several dozen hydroponics stores, and not one real industrial supply store.
[17:43:53] <tjb1> its not going to do anything without thermistor input
[17:44:05] <JT-Shop> I plugged it in and could find it with the control software
[17:44:15] <renesis> well you have a lot more grows than shops
[17:44:19] <JT-Shop> is there a wiring diagram for the ramps?
[17:44:22] <tjb1> JT-Shop: windows?
[17:44:27] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:44:29] <fluffybitchx> every third house or so. lol
[17:44:35] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Well it should show up but it wont work without thermistors
[17:44:51] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Did you check in device manager?
[17:45:04] <fluffybitchx> the hydro shops make so much money that they bought all the advertising space on the local busses. even the windows. complete full-wrap-arounds with horrible stoner artwork.
[17:45:09] <JT-Shop> yea, it showed up in the device manager
[17:45:18] <tjb1> did you change com port?
[17:45:22] <tjb1> in the host that is
[17:45:38] <JT-Shop> yea, I could connect to it on Com 7
[17:45:46] <_methods> http://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4
[17:45:52] <tjb1> oh im sorry
[17:45:57] <tjb1> you said you could find it
[17:46:01] <tjb1> I thought you said you couldnt
[17:46:02] <_methods> wiring diagram is at bottom of page i believe
[17:46:05] <JT-Shop> np
[17:46:51] <tjb1> JT-Shop: you can fake the thermistor input with a resistor
[17:46:55] <tjb1> unless you already have them
[17:47:06] <fluffybitchx> http://mattbearddesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Humboldt-Nutrients-Bus.jpg there. that's what our fucking busses look like. the hydro shops have more advertising money than anyone else in the county...
[17:47:14] <JT-Shop> oh, I should have said the taurion power
[17:47:35] <renesis> fluffybitchx: thats so cool!
[17:47:37] <JT-Shop> no, I don't have any... well I might have some
[17:47:40] <tjb1> JT-Shop: You can still follow Mega/Ramps
[17:48:01] <JT-Shop> ok
[17:48:03] <_methods> yeah the taurino power is just set up for 24v
[17:48:12] <_methods> pinout is same as mega
[17:48:32] <_methods> i just use a mega with the good caps
[17:48:37] <_methods> and 24v is fine
[17:48:49] <JT-Shop> T0 T1 and T2 is the thermister
[17:48:52] <tjb1> If anyone is interested in a smoothieboard, they are going around $100 for 4XC and $120 for 5XC right now on a group buy - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/deltabot/WNTOnAk4jZM%5B1-25-false%5D
[17:49:01] <JT-Shop> I have a 24v power supply
[17:49:24] <_methods> yeah 24v is the way to go
[17:49:34] <_methods> extruder and bed heat up way faster
[17:49:45] <_methods> 12v is for girlz
[17:50:17] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:50:25] * fluffybitchx has absolutely no idea what a smoothieboard, 4xc, or 5xc is.
[17:50:29] <_methods> man i got a spacer cut out of some armor plate at work and now i have to machine it down lol
[17:50:30] <fluffybitchx> ...
[17:50:34] <fluffybitchx> that's rather sexist.
[17:50:36] <_methods> it's kickin the shit out of my x2
[17:50:48] <JT-Shop> so at the minimum I need a thermistor connected to T0?
[17:50:55] <_methods> or resistor
[17:51:35] <tjb1> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
[17:51:37] <_methods> what is it 10k resistor?
[17:51:47] <tjb1> 100k is the usual
[17:51:53] <tjb1> but default Marlin is for thermocouples I believe
[17:51:56] <fluffybitchx> http://mattbearddesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Humbold-Nutrients-Bus-Graphics.jpg both sides of our ugly busses
[17:52:19] <JT-Shop> I have a pile of resistors
[17:52:40] <_methods> i can never remember i always have to look it up
[17:52:41] <renesis> haha @ shrooms w/ underground view of mycellium and roots
[17:52:55] <_methods> but i have piles of thermistors now so i justhook one of those up
[17:53:08] <_methods> i don't have to hotwire anymore lol
[17:54:21] <_methods> i had to stop at .05" depth of cut i thought my poor x2 was gonna fall apart hahah
[17:54:32] <_methods> guess i'm going to have to lighten up
[17:54:47] <fluffybitchx> renesis: shrooms may well have played a role in the creation of the artwork
[17:55:00] <renesis> maybe
[17:56:19] <PetefromTn_> X2 FTW!! LOL
[17:57:23] <_methods> poor little x2
[17:57:28] <_methods> the gears sound so bad
[17:57:33] <renesis> guys has anyone used gcodetools for inkscape?
[17:57:37] <_methods> i need to do belt mod asap
[17:57:45] <PetefromTn_> the little chinese engine that could....not?
[17:57:54] <_methods> it's doing it actually
[17:57:58] <_methods> i'm kinda surprised
[17:58:13] <_methods> i just cut my engagement to about 35%
[17:58:20] <_methods> kept it at .05
[17:58:22] <PetefromTn_> is it CNC?
[17:58:29] <_methods> me-nc
[17:58:40] <PetefromTn_> yup it's C and DO..
[17:58:43] <_methods> yeah
[17:58:49] <_methods> workin on getting it done
[17:58:54] <_methods> that's why i'm cuttin this now
[17:59:08] <_methods> needed a spacer on my toolpost for lathe
[17:59:16] <_methods> so i can cut my ballscrews
[17:59:19] <PetefromTn_> cantcha do the parts at work in spare time?
[17:59:30] <_methods> sure but i'd rather do it here with a beer lol
[17:59:45] <_methods> and it forces me to do challenging things with crappy tools
[18:00:01] <PetefromTn_> better to get it done in ten minutes at work and get home with accurate part and relax drinking beer no?
[18:00:16] <_methods> hah that makes too much sense
[18:00:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry my bad ;)
[18:00:29] <_methods> hahah
[18:00:51] <_methods> i'm still trying to get used to this little lathe and the x2 to see what it's really incapable of lol
[18:01:14] <_methods> honestly i'm pretty damn impressed with the x2
[18:01:24] <PetefromTn_> well at some point I guess it is better to have LITTLE machine tools than none at all..
[18:01:25] <_methods> i thought it was going to be WAY worse
[18:01:53] <PetefromTn_> right about now I am feeling like my lack of a lathe is akin to having no legs or something...
[18:02:01] <_methods> yeah no lathe is rough
[18:02:46] <PetefromTn_> I just keep trying to tell myself how wonderful it is going to be to have a nice CNC 14x40 lathe with 7.5HP and all the trimmings hehe
[18:03:06] <_methods> definitely
[18:03:36] <_methods> i'm hopin i can use this x2 once it's cnc'd to prop me up on some jobs to pay for rent on a shop so i can get some real machines
[18:03:49] <_methods> i think i can get some little jobs from customers
[18:03:52] <PetefromTn_> no shit WOW
[18:03:57] <_methods> and stuff we turn away at work
[18:04:47] <PetefromTn_> believe it or not I had to turn away a job today hehe
[18:04:56] <_methods> hah congratulations
[18:05:00] <_methods> your first FU
[18:05:10] <PetefromTn_> it was just too much of a risk without enough pay I thought
[18:05:17] <_methods> most of it is lol
[18:05:25] <PetefromTn_> but it was a one off kinda idea a guy had
[18:05:34] <PetefromTn_> and he had put a LOT of thought into it too.
[18:05:35] <Tom_itx> if it was easy i could do it
[18:05:38] <_methods> what can you swing on those grizzly lathes?
[18:05:44] <_methods> 7040?
[18:05:47] <_methods> is that the good one?
[18:05:51] <PetefromTn_> grizzly lathes?
[18:06:04] <_methods> i think the g7040
[18:06:10] <_methods> isn't that what everyone converts
[18:06:14] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[18:06:14] <_methods> i thought ssi had one
[18:06:23] <PetefromTn_> I had the 12x36
[18:06:29] <PetefromTn_> and it was pretty decent for its size
[18:06:38] <_methods> what kind of 12x36?
[18:06:40] <PetefromTn_> kinda wish I did not have to sell it to get this CNC lahte
[18:06:42] <PetefromTn_> asian
[18:06:44] <anarchos22> i want to get a 7x12 and CNC it
[18:06:48] <PetefromTn_> just like the grizzly
[18:06:58] <_methods> they will swing 7"?
[18:07:06] <PetefromTn_> no way LOL
[18:07:12] <PetefromTn_> unless it is paper mache
[18:07:12] <_methods> oh
[18:07:22] <_methods> i need one that can swing 6" uhmw work
[18:07:32] <PetefromTn_> it might do that I dunno
[18:07:42] <_methods> i'll have to look more
[18:07:57] <_methods> and then try and steal the work without getting fired lol
[18:08:17] <Tom_itx> that's a fine line to walk
[18:08:18] <_methods> i just need a few parts here and there heheh
[18:08:23] <_methods> yeah
[18:08:29] <_methods> probably a horrible idea
[18:08:29] <PetefromTn_> LOL sounds like me
[18:08:58] <_methods> meh i have enough of my own dumb ideas to make
[18:09:07] <Tom_itx> or be up front about it and tell them if they don't want it you wouldn't mind doing it
[18:09:08] <_methods> i should just stick to that
[18:09:17] <_methods> yeah i probably will do that
[18:09:29] <_methods> better to be up front on that shit
[18:09:31] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have TONS of stupid ideas I can make but I have this funny need to make money..
[18:09:42] <Tom_itx> better to have a job and a lathe than just a lathe
[18:09:48] <_methods> ^^
[18:09:50] <_methods> i hear that
[18:11:40] <fluffybitchx> grrrr. got my other identical motor and other identical driver set up. with the right current set resistor for 8.0A, so far it's randomly entered fault mode once.
[18:12:16] <Tom_itx> power supply big enough?
[18:12:20] <fluffybitchx> the good is that, for the first time since starting this project, I have two motors turning at once.
[18:12:23] <fluffybitchx> Tom_itx: yes
[18:14:20] <fluffybitchx> last night, I found that with the right current set resistor, one of my motors and drives would enter fault mode at high speeds after a couple seconds, presumably due to it thinking the motor is shorted. with the current set turned down, it was happy. today I tried a different drive and different motor, and it seems to do the same thing.
[18:14:27] <fluffybitchx> methinks centent lies about their drives' capabilities...
[18:14:39] <fluffybitchx> they claim up to 10A, so they shouldn't be faulting at 8A.
[18:15:09] <Tom_itx> well they all want to claim the very highest numbers so you will buy their junk
[18:15:26] <fluffybitchx> they're $650 drvies, they shouldn't be entirely imaginary!
[18:15:46] <Tom_itx> even better for them
[18:16:19] <Tom_itx> but i agree they should do what they advertise
[18:16:23] <fluffybitchx> they're good down to 0.5mH, while my motors are 2.3mH. my guess is it can do high currents, or low-inductance motors, but not both at once, or something.
[18:16:43] <fluffybitchx> at first I was worried there was a bad motor or drive, but with two sets doing the same thing...
[18:21:12] <fluffybitchx> now to wire up my third motor... it's a different brand and pinout, need to figure it out and make jumpers.
[18:28:45] <fluffybitchx> hrmm. the wiring compartment on this motor smells interesting.
[18:29:27] <fluffybitchx> also, they give you NO room to work. bleh.
[18:34:13] <fluffybitchx> grrrrrr. the photocopied manual it came with gives the wiring by wire color code. mine has identical-colored wires to numbered terminals.
[18:36:05] * fluffybitchx tries to figure out how to reverse-engineer an 8-lead stepper
[18:37:31] <fluffybitchx> the four coils are easy to find, but I have no idea which are which, and their relative polarities. spin it and watch them on my 'scope? or assume there's only so many ways to hook it up wrong? :)
[18:41:49] <_methods> buwhahahah
[18:42:02] <_methods> that armor plate just wrekt my whirligig blade
[18:42:06] <_methods> after like 2 swipes
[18:42:23] * fluffybitchx wonders what a whirligig blade is
[18:42:42] <_methods> slang for deburring tool
[18:42:59] <fluffybitchx> yay, found the wiring in an appendix to a parker stepper drive manual, listing how to wire it to different brands.
[18:44:33] <PetefromTn_> how hard is it?
[18:45:02] <fluffybitchx> my wiring or his plate? (and do we want to know how hard his tool is?)
[18:49:20] <_methods> haha i don't know i don't have a tester here
[18:49:24] <_methods> i think it's armox500 though
[18:49:50] <_methods> http://www.ssab.com/en/Brands/Armox/Products/Armox-500T/
[18:50:15] <_methods> 480-540 hbw
[18:50:35] <_methods> but i'm probably work hardening it too since i can't feed or cut enough
[18:50:44] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[18:50:59] <PetefromTn_> outta be hard as diamonds then huh
[18:51:12] <_methods> yeah i won't do that on the x2 again
[18:51:27] <_methods> note to self don't grab armor plate for any home projects lol
[18:52:03] <_methods> unbelievable all the flutes are good to go
[18:52:11] <_methods> it was cutting like crap though
[18:52:32] <PetefromTn_> do you do a lot of stuff with that material in your shop?
[18:53:05] <_methods> yeah
[18:53:30] <_methods> i found a chunk in the trash can about the size of the spacer i needed i thought it felt heavy for regular steel
[18:53:36] <_methods> hehe
[18:54:13] <PetefromTn_> nice
[18:54:52] <_methods> i don't think the plastic gears liked it much
[18:55:19] <PetefromTn_> never thought I would hear a milling machine with plastic gears hehe
[18:56:31] <_methods> yeah :(
[18:56:34] <_methods> not for long though
[18:56:38] <anarchos2> man I'm going insane with this...my y home switch is doing weird things, not sure if hardware or if software...seemed to started doing it when i added debounce in, but still does it if i turn debounce to 0 or 200, doesn't make a difference
[18:56:42] <_methods> especially with what i'm doing to it lol
[18:57:01] <LeelooMinai> I ordered some HSS 2-flute 3mm endmills from China and they send me a "gift" 1 flute endmill for cutting acylic - isn't that nice? :)
[18:59:04] <fluffybitchx> wow, speaking of work hardening. I need to make a couple jumpers for wiring the stepper motor. I found some scrap copper sheet that was bent. I took the bend out by hitting it with a hammer several times. I then wire brushed it with a stainless brush. the part I didn't hammer was scratched deeply by the stiff bristles, while the part I'd hammered didn't scratch.
[19:02:10] * fluffybitchx didn't realize copper work-harened that hardly
[19:02:13] <fluffybitchx> hardened
[19:04:12] <_methods> yeah copper is horrible aboutthat
[19:04:25] <_methods> i hate working with copper and brass
[19:04:28] <_methods> bronze too
[19:04:42] <_methods> any of that cu stuff is just a nightmare
[19:05:16] <fluffybitchx> now if only I can find the right drillbit. bleh.
[19:10:33] <roycroft> copper work hardens quite easily but it's also quite easy to anneal
[19:10:41] <roycroft> just heat it up and quench it
[19:10:45] <roycroft> or don't bother quenching it
[19:10:52] <roycroft> depending on how much time you have
[19:20:26] <_methods> oh i love the way it looks but man it can be a real PITA some times
[19:20:36] <_methods> especially trying to get a good surface finish some times
[19:22:39] <fluffybitchx> meh. these jumpers are going inside the wiring box on a stepper. they look like crap, but no one will ever notice. lol
[19:23:29] * fluffybitchx is more of a welder than a machinist at times
[19:38:21] <unfy> the fireman will notice >_>
[19:43:59] <fluffybitchx> bbl, work
[19:55:20] <gene80> Anybody home?
[19:55:53] <XXCoder> _methods: wouldnt it evenually after long while green up?
[19:56:05] <XXCoder> or is it after heavy exposure to elements
[20:00:06] <PetefromTn_> I'm home...watchin' TV LOL
[20:01:21] <XXCoder> I'm pretty sure im at home
[20:04:53] <unfy> currently at work
[20:18:49] <zeeshan-> man this is driving me insane
[20:18:59] <zeeshan-> any of you guys have multiple comps connected through ethernet and wifi
[20:19:04] <zeeshan-> and setup homegroup bs sharing
[20:19:15] <zeeshan-> the computers on the ethernet connections configure homegroup fine
[20:19:19] <zeeshan-> but the wifi ones are being a pain in the as
[20:19:21] <zeeshan-> i hate windows
[20:23:44] <roycroft> i have all of that except the windows bit
[20:36:05] <zeeshan-> lol
[20:36:11] <zeeshan-> this is being such a pain i nthe ASS
[20:36:17] <zeeshan-> i wanna go home and machine
[20:36:18] <zeeshan-> not do this bs
[20:36:30] <PetefromTn_> :D
[20:38:45] <EO_> What are some good gerber -> g-code generators? I know of CircuitCAM but that's really expensive. I just tried pcb2gcode but it disengages from the workpiece a lot.
[20:38:50] <EO_> Any other good commercial ones?
[21:01:34] <_methods> nothing that i know of
[21:01:46] <_methods> pcb2gcode is pretty wonky too
[21:02:03] <_methods> it's what i use unless it's a simple pcb
[21:02:21] <_methods> then i'll just make the pcb in solidworks and path it like a normal part
[21:03:01] <_methods> if i could get the solidworks electrical import part working good i'd do it all in solidworks
[21:03:36] <anarchos2> when i do a G0 X3, for example, it goes at the MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY speed, can i make it go at the DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY speed somehow?
[21:05:45] <EO_> _methods: yeah, I tried to do the solidworks + hsm path
[21:06:10] <EO_> _methods: but it seems only IDX 3.0 / IDF 4.0 do actual copper trace import. And basically no EDA packages support those exports right now.
[21:07:08] <EO_> _methods: STEP also supports copper traces and IS supported by EDA, but Solidworks crashes when trying to import a Cadence STEP. I got it importing into Autodesk Inventor so I can still take advantage of HSM, but I haven't figured out all the details in Inventor yet. It's refusig to extrude.
[21:07:27] <_methods> yeah i've never gotten it to work very well
[21:07:40] <EO_> Did you ever try the STEP -> Inventor path?
[21:07:53] <_methods> no havne't tried that one
[21:07:53] <EO_> I also wanna try SW 2014 in case the STEP import there doesn't crash the thing
[21:08:19] <EO_> it's amazingly hard to use normal CNC tool pathing software on PCB copper
[21:08:22] <_methods> sux having to use pcb2gcode
[21:08:39] <EO_> yeah, it spends 1/2 its time in rapids
[21:08:49] <_methods> the pathing shouldn't be a problem if i could just get a good model of the copper
[21:09:03] <_methods> but all eda software seems to output garbage
[21:09:18] <_methods> using lines that are just diff thickness and whatnot
[21:09:35] <_methods> instead of actually drawing the traces
[21:10:36] <_methods> but i have made some simple pcbs in solidworks by just importing the components i want to use and placing them on a pcb and making all my own traces manually
[21:11:02] <_methods> real pain in the sack but it works for maximum control of toolpaths
[21:13:29] <EO_> yeah, that's butt though
[21:13:41] <EO_> Need proper gerber -> gcode generation
[21:13:49] <EO_> And I wish I knew of others aside from CircuitCAM
[21:14:03] <EO_> cuz it doesn't even spit gcode, it spits some internal LPKF format that feeds their CNC controller, BoardMaster
[21:14:14] <jdh> anarchos2: no, but that's probably not what you really want.
[21:17:33] <anarchos2> just read about F codes :P
[21:17:50] <jdh> yep
[21:20:13] <fluffybitchx> grrr, stupid fucking crappy internet connection.
[21:20:56] <_methods> EO_: if you find a good way please let me know
[21:29:28] <EO_> _methods: well, I was hoping folks would know things other than CircuitCAM in here that do CircuitCAM-like-things
[21:29:40] <EO_> I could see about acquiring some of those other approaches
[21:30:58] <EO_> And I don't actually want somtehing that does isolation milling
[21:31:07] <EO_> If I want isolation milling, I'll specify copper pours
[21:31:15] <EO_> I just want something that clears the non-copper regions
[21:31:55] <EO_> FlatCAM and pcb2gcode are all about isolation milling though
[21:37:11] <_methods> yeah
[21:38:36] <_methods> i want more control over the toolpaths and what gets removed
[21:39:08] <_methods> the toolpaths for pcb2gcode are horrible
[21:48:54] <EO_> heh, Allegro PCB allows you to rotate the Gerber output by 90 deg for manufacturability, but you can't also rotate the drill output to match
[21:49:28] <CaptHindsight> the DXF to Gcode tools work pretty well
[21:49:49] <CaptHindsight> maybe Gerber to DXF and then to Gcode?
[21:50:16] <_methods> everytime i do gerber to dxf it just outputs lines with diff line weights
[21:50:23] <EO_> does it? I've only ever seen DXF save the trace outlines...not sure what to do with that in terms of creating solids and extrusions. I'd have to click on every trace individually no?
[21:50:27] <_methods> for trace thickness
[21:50:53] <CaptHindsight> are you really going from Allegro to milling pcb's?
[21:50:59] <EO_> ya
[21:51:08] <EO_> well, trying to
[21:51:19] <CaptHindsight> don't really need plated vias?
[21:51:47] <EO_> you can plate vias, but no, I can wire the few vias I have
[21:56:01] <gene80> EO: you might want to google for voroni, which generates milling code that only isolates the path, but does not trim to conductor widths.
[21:57:24] <gene80> Because it doesn't follow a fixed path like the artwork shows, it is supposed to be faster, and on a mill with limited spindle rpms, it can get the job done a little quicker.
[21:58:34] <EO_> I need the shapes to be exact
[22:00:29] <EO_> a lot of the stuff I do is migh frequency, so it accounts for copper and non-copper regions at design time, so fab time needs to respect it.
[22:00:42] <EO_> migh=high
[22:02:15] <gene80> EO: in that case, eagle to pcb2gcode gets it done, I can't say as I'd fuss about pcb2gcode traces though, to this now ancient C.E.T., they look pretty good and are so accurate that my slightly shakey hands have a hard time controlling the bridging.
[22:03:42] <EO_> yeah but it's just isolation milling
[22:03:47] <EO_> not full rubout of non-copper regions
[22:03:48] <gene80> EO: Yeah, I now about how stripline math is supposed to work but thats not something eagle is ultimately going to be good at.
[22:04:09] <EO_> PS: not using eagle
[22:04:19] <EO_> I can spit the right gerber
[22:04:25] <EO_> just need something to translate it to proper g-code
[22:05:17] <EO_> ideally something like HSM could pencil with 10mil endmills, then work up to 20mil, then do larger area rubout with 60mil or something
[22:05:25] <EO_> using those 3 sizes it'd be really fast
[22:06:11] <EO_> CircuitCAM also supports this strategy
[22:07:58] <gene80> I saw that before I piped up. Someone else may be aware of a gerber to cgode translator, yes it would be much faster. I cannot comment on that productively as what I've done so far wasn't all that fancy, just the photo-interupter board for an encoder on my lathe spindle
[22:08:57] <fluffybitchx> yay! all three motors running.
[22:08:59] <gene80> and if I need to make another, that 1.2 x 2.1" board will still take 5 or so hours to carve
[22:09:27] * fluffybitchx is listening to the sound of the splash screen demo gcode being cut... or, at least, moving the motors as if it were being cut.
[22:09:50] <gene80> double sided, too many thru hole vias buried under stuff to make it a quick assembly.
[22:10:52] <gene80> What's the asking price for circuitCAM?
[22:10:56] <skunkworks> fluffybitchx: figure out your current problem?
[22:10:56] <fluffybitchx> next step is to grind flats on shafts, then start putting the machine back together. need to finish fixing the x leadscrew.
[22:11:13] <fluffybitchx> skunksleep: no. everything works perfectly if I keep the current limit set lower.
[22:13:01] <EO_> gene80: it's like $1-2k, but it doesn't even spit g-code, just some intermediate format for BoardMaster (their linuxcnc equivalent)
[22:14:26] <EO_> I bugged the FlatCAM guy a bit to improve support for things like microstrip and RF layout in general
[22:14:27] <gene80> Ahh, thats way above my pay grade then. I'm the old man of this group, so I watch the sheckles carefully.
[22:14:38] <fluffybitchx> having all three motors working makes me happy. the wiring isn't near done, but it means all the main components are present and working. it needs an enclosure, motor plugs, etc, etc... but it works!
[22:14:46] <EO_> we'll see what comes of it :)
[22:15:00] <EO_> right now the only workaround in FlatCAM is to use a crazy # of passes
[22:15:16] <EO_> but that also starts cutting the outside of the board really thick too, so you have tons of spoil
[22:15:23] <XXCoder> random thought.. is there anywhere I can buy tungsten ingot haped like gold bars
[22:15:29] <XXCoder> trapezoid I think
[22:15:44] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: not exactly gold bar shape, but look for bucking blocks for riveting.
[22:15:52] <XXCoder> drat
[22:16:07] <XXCoder> I wanted em to show people how heavy gold really is
[22:16:13] <XXCoder> and how fake movie ones tend to be
[22:16:40] <fluffybitchx> you want DU instead. it's more impressive.
[22:17:10] <XXCoder> DU?
[22:17:37] <gene80> Is it the right color? Depleted Urainium
[22:18:02] <XXCoder> fluffy tungsten is very close to gold in density
[22:18:12] <XXCoder> uranium is definitely heavier if I recall
[22:18:27] <fluffybitchx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETBB05-Tungsten-Bucking-Bar-5-5-60-lbs-/221534260602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3394788d7a a very small gold bar?
[22:19:09] <XXCoder> lol
[22:19:24] <fluffybitchx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tungsten-block-6-block-34-4-pounds-tapped-NICE-Late-Model-Nascar-ARCA-/121562995039?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item1c4db8195f&vxp=mtr
[22:20:03] <gene80> yes, I've handled a rod of 235, definitely not something you would want to drop on a toe. Or leave out of its lead casket for more then the 5 seconds it takes to notice the klatter the counter 10 feet away is making.
[22:20:07] <fluffybitchx> so how much money do you want to spend on this? :P
[22:20:38] <XXCoder> right now, not much LOL just curious more than anything
[22:20:52] <XXCoder> I always wanted the movie style "gold bar" made from tungsein
[22:21:01] <XXCoder> I dont plan to cover it in gold or anything
[22:21:11] <t12> i found a bunch of 1kg copper ingots
[22:21:19] <t12> in very perfect ingot shapes
[22:23:06] <t12> is dpu actually purchasable retail
[22:23:11] <t12> i've heard its used for elevator counterweights
[22:23:19] <XXCoder> its gray legally
[22:23:26] <XXCoder> its legal to own
[22:23:48] <XXCoder> I always wanted titirium (mispelled) too
[22:23:57] <t12> thats pretty purchsable
[22:24:09] <XXCoder> not in usa
[22:24:15] <fluffybitchx> tritium is perfectly easy to get from other countries.
[22:24:23] <XXCoder> illegal to sell, can;'t import, but legal to own
[22:24:26] <XXCoder> yeah figure that out
[22:24:33] <_methods> definitely ITAR
[22:25:05] <t12> you can buy tritium exit signs retail
[22:25:13] <_methods> http://counsel.cornell.edu/ITAR/ITAR-summary.html
[22:25:18] <_methods> item45
[22:25:26] <_methods> section 3
[22:25:33] <fluffybitchx> many of the chinese crap stores sell tritium keychain lights and such
[22:26:08] <XXCoder> checking out aliexpress
[22:26:09] <_methods> purchasing large quantities of tritium will definitely win you some attention from certain agencies
[22:26:54] <XXCoder> definitely not doing that
[22:26:57] <XXCoder> smallone and thats t
[22:26:58] <fluffybitchx> why? there's not much you can do with it.
[22:27:07] <XXCoder> just keychain
[22:27:21] <_methods> it's critical component in night sights and other weapon systems
[22:27:36] <gene80> g'night all
[22:27:55] <t12> In general, possession of more that 15 lbs. of uranium requires a license from the U.S. NRC or authorized Agreement State. However, users are exempt from this requirement for the following applications:
[22:28:04] * fluffybitchx doesn't have any glowing sights
[22:28:33] <_methods> The United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission
[22:28:33] <_methods> (NRC) requires any person to have a license to
[22:28:33] <_methods> manufacture, process, produce or transfer products
[22:28:33] <_methods> containing tritium. Devices containing high levels of
[22:28:33] <_methods> tritium must be handled and disposed of within the
[22:28:35] <_methods> requirements of the NRC license and regulations.
[22:28:38] <_methods> (see 10 CFR 32.51 and 10 CFR 31.5 at
[22:28:40] <_methods> www.nrc.gov)
[22:29:09] <CaptHindsight> 1) Paint for children toys.
[22:29:26] <CaptHindsight> oh I thought you meant from China
[22:30:15] <fluffybitchx> hrmm, this isn't good. my battery meter is reading 70% based on coloumb counting, but current voltage is 23.0v.
[22:31:00] <_methods> tritium is a key element in nuclear weapons too i believe
[22:31:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Original-Nite-Tritium-Glowring-keyring/dp/B00F3887YK
[22:31:15] <_methods> a yield enhancer
[22:31:48] <XXCoder> thats why when I ever buy tritium, it will be small
[22:31:56] <fluffybitchx> do I want to go poke at my batteries to see which one is failing, or do I want to ignore it since I can't do anything about it anyway?
[22:32:11] <XXCoder> multimeter that shit
[22:32:25] <CaptHindsight> what battery chemistry?
[22:32:31] <fluffybitchx> lead-acid
[22:32:34] <fluffybitchx> flooded
[22:32:34] <fluffybitchx> old
[22:32:58] <fluffybitchx> I had one reading weak before... my guess is it now reads weaker.
[22:33:17] <CaptHindsight> are they sealed?
[22:33:33] <fluffybitchx> <fluffybitchx> flooded
[22:35:40] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1piece-1-5x6mm-Tritium-vials-keychain-fluorescence-stick-Free-shipping/2009460082.html
[22:35:43] <XXCoder> crazy
[22:35:50] <XXCoder> I'd not order any without protection
[22:36:25] <_methods> you can purchase it fairly easily
[22:36:33] <_methods> but if you buy alot expect a visit lol
[22:36:43] <XXCoder> yeah but I wouldnt order any without plastic case
[22:36:49] <XXCoder> one I linked to dont
[22:37:21] <fluffybitchx> 1.5x6mm? tiny!
[22:41:24] <XXCoder> that one is
[22:41:50] <fluffybitchx> seems pretty expensive to me
[22:42:01] <XXCoder> tritium tend to be
[22:42:10] <XXCoder> you need reactor to make em if I recall
[22:42:32] <XXCoder> its awesome on watch because can read anytime
[22:43:19] <XXCoder> example http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Luxury-Brand-TVG-50ATM-Waterproof-Multifunction-Quartz-Men-Sports-Military-Watches-Tritium-Luminous-LED-Digital/2047900240.html
[22:43:57] <XXCoder> bit tempted, looks nice
[22:44:49] <EO_> does linuxcnc have any ability to do a 90 degree rotation on a g-code ?
[22:44:55] <fluffybitchx> I'd imagine they get it free out the back door of a power plant.
[22:45:18] <XXCoder> possibly but Im pretty sure its not that easy
[22:45:44] <EO_> it's basically a matter of swapping X and Y
[22:46:49] <fluffybitchx> from what I can tell, you can get just about anything out the back door in china...
[22:47:11] <XXCoder> including china. ;)
[22:48:34] <CaptHindsight> I actually have a backdoor from China
[22:48:43] <EO_> oh...maybe there's a G-code for rotating the coordinate system
[22:48:53] <XXCoder> backdoor carried out of backdoor in china
[22:49:41] <EO_> G68 X0 Y0 R90
[22:49:44] <EO_> 1 liner!
[22:50:55] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/gcode.html
[22:51:00] <cradek> search for rotation
[23:21:25] <EO_> bah
[23:21:29] <EO_> linuxcnc doesn't support G68
[23:22:22] <EO_> G10 L2 P1 R90 should be supported tho
[23:23:20] <EO_> and indeed that worked like a charm
[23:36:43] <fluffybitchx> bbl, sleep
[23:59:25] <EO_> eo@cnc:~$ cat rotate_ngc.sh
[23:59:25] <EO_> sed -i '1s/^/G10 L2 P1 R90\n/' *.ngc
[23:59:25] <EO_> eo@cnc:~$
[23:59:31] <PetefromTn_> ?
[23:59:32] <EO_> #JustHackyThings
[23:59:50] <EO_> rotates by 90 degrees any .ngc files you have in the directory you run it from