#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-08

[00:01:02] <Cromaglious_> durn it someone has tken my Nick and I want it BACK!!!
[00:04:20] <Cromaglious_> I don't /away
[00:04:41] <Cromaglious_> hmmm
[00:04:58] <Cromaglious_> my text is in grey I don't like it!
[00:05:53] <Cromaglious_> hmm
[00:05:59] <Cromaglious_> nope that ain't it
[00:12:17] <Cromaglious_> nope that ain't it
[00:19:32] <Cromaglious_> yeah! finally black text
[00:19:53] <zeeshan|2> did the "lopot" test
[00:22:03] <zeeshan|2> didnt find anything wrong
[00:40:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/dSYAAOSwNSxU0gIE/$_20.JPG
[00:40:36] <zeeshan|2> found the motherload of cat40 holders
[00:40:41] <zeeshan|2> for dirt cheap, made in usa :-)
[00:40:56] <zeeshan|2> damn you cnc machine RUN!!
[00:45:52] <anarchos2> anyone work with robotic arms?
[00:45:59] <zeeshan|2> industrial ones?
[00:46:05] <anarchos2> you can get some pretty big cool looking used ones on ebay for $5-10k
[00:46:06] <anarchos2> yeah
[00:46:15] <zeeshan|2> yea ive worked with abb, fanuc
[00:46:56] <anarchos2> controlled by linuxcnc?
[00:46:59] <zeeshan|2> no
[00:47:00] <zeeshan|2> =D
[00:48:02] <anarchos2> i want a robot arm to load/unload cnc machines :P
[00:48:12] <anarchos2> for in the future, when i have the need for multiple cnc machines ;)
[00:48:15] <zeeshan|2> thats what they were used for @ work
[00:48:23] <zeeshan|2> well slightly a bit more
[00:48:32] <zeeshan|2> a robot would take a part from one turning center
[00:48:38] <zeeshan|2> move on a rail
[00:48:45] <zeeshan|2> hold the part in an induction furnace
[00:48:55] <zeeshan|2> then load it to a cooling conveyor
[00:49:05] <zeeshan|2> the robot that was a pain in the ass was
[00:49:16] <anarchos2> heh
[00:49:19] <zeeshan|2> the one that picked up the part from conveyor
[00:49:24] <zeeshan|2> and loaded to conveyor
[00:49:29] <zeeshan|2> fucking thing always lost its coordinate
[00:49:33] <zeeshan|2> and crashed into the spindle chuck
[00:49:47] <zeeshan|2> good old hydraulic robot
[00:50:23] <zeeshan|2> id love to have one of those for doing tig welding
[00:52:17] <anarchos2> yes, a welding bot would be sweet
[00:52:28] <anarchos2> i'd like to make bike frames one day...
[00:53:26] <anarchos2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FANUC-ROBOTIC-ARM-/231337158465?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35dcc4e741
[00:53:46] <zeeshan|2> thats a baby!
[00:54:01] <zeeshan|2> looks like its missing the drive control unit
[00:54:12] <anarchos2> yeah
[00:54:19] <anarchos2> that's what linuxcnc is for ;)
[00:54:26] <zeeshan|2> well youd need servo drives
[00:54:32] <anarchos2> i wonder if it uses regular fanuc motors/encoders?
[00:54:38] <zeeshan|2> yes
[00:54:40] <anarchos2> iirc pico systems has a fanuc compatable driver
[00:54:44] <zeeshan|2> and if its anything like ssi's motors
[00:54:47] <zeeshan|2> theyre a pain in the ass
[00:55:02] <zeeshan|2> but im sure it can be adapter
[00:55:07] <anarchos2> well, a fanuc converter, to go from fanuc->normal
[00:56:21] <anarchos2> http://pico-systems.com/osc2.5/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=22
[00:56:32] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:56:36] <zeeshan|2> nice!
[00:57:16] <anarchos2> probably $1000 for a controller/amp system
[00:57:27] <anarchos2> so $2000 for my own robot! if only i had a place to put it..
[00:57:37] <zeeshan|2> that thing is small
[00:57:41] <zeeshan|2> you can put it in the corner of your room :)
[00:57:53] <zeeshan|2> "pass me a beer"
[00:58:07] <anarchos2> haha, that would be sweet
[00:59:06] <Cromaglious_> put it on a bridge crap suspended upside down
[00:59:11] <Cromaglious_> crane
[01:00:05] <anarchos2> yes, that would be sweet, i always thought about that
[01:00:28] <anarchos2> a robot anywhere you need it
[01:01:10] <anarchos2> hmm that one is only 32kg, i bet i could fit it in my house :P
[01:05:07] <Cromaglious_> something ANdy was saying... Machine vision is faster and cheaper than using a prob to find material on a table
[01:05:13] <Cromaglious_> probe
[01:37:30] <RyanS> so a pull stud toolholder is only essential if you are doing an ATC? impact wrench/drawbar is fine for changing by hand?
[02:03:33] <RyanS> I think this guy must have a sense of humour $4300 https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/221447049/steampunk-desk-lamp-machine-salvage?ref=sr_gallery_1&ga_search_query=steampunk+desk+lamp&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery
[02:18:39] <Deejay> moin
[02:20:58] <Cromaglious_> morning
[11:23:12] <somenewguy> hase anyone here played with a pick and place machine?
[11:24:56] <_methods> i wish
[11:25:13] <_methods> i could screw up electronics at an even faster pace with one of those
[11:27:12] <somenewguy> haha yeah
[11:27:34] <somenewguy> great way to throw SMD components around the room when ur coworkers have modified a crappy machine to be even crappier
[11:30:30] <CaptHindsight> somenewguy: did you build that delta duino machine?
[11:30:58] <somenewguy> no I'm not that cool
[11:31:16] <CaptHindsight> http://firepick1.github.io/
[11:33:24] <CaptHindsight> http://delta.firepick.org/store/firepick-delta-prototype $300
[11:33:33] <somenewguy> interesting, never saw that
[11:33:36] <CaptHindsight> how bad can it be?
[11:33:39] <somenewguy> ok 300, does this thing actually work?
[11:33:54] <somenewguy> site is loading slow here so forgive me as I post and read at the same time
[11:34:06] <CaptHindsight> it's s cheap half plastic delta robot
[11:34:31] <CaptHindsight> the software works
[11:34:50] <CaptHindsight> all it needs is a better design if you seriously want to make boards
[11:35:00] <somenewguy> hmm
[11:35:18] <CaptHindsight> they are targeting the maker/reprap crowd
[11:35:21] <somenewguy> prior to me getting involved, the boards guys bought a 5k pick and place
[11:35:41] <somenewguy> its pretty miserable, design is alright, feeders are a joke tho (manual advance, so what's the point even)
[11:36:04] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/firepick1/FireREST/wiki
[11:36:05] <somenewguy> but the software is a massive kludge and was clearly cobbled together by programmers that don't use CNC machines
[11:36:21] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/firepick1/FireSight/wiki
[11:36:36] <somenewguy> it would be great to see if I can use that vision control stuff
[11:36:53] <CaptHindsight> yes, it uses openCV
[11:37:50] <CaptHindsight> openCV with linuxcnc and some decent hardware
[11:38:15] <somenewguy> yeah
[11:38:26] <somenewguy> I'm trying to see if I can/should convert our machine to linuxcnc
[11:38:38] <somenewguy> I just need the guy who bought the machine to admit defeat and let me just get the thing working
[11:38:50] <CaptHindsight> sooner or later
[11:38:51] <somenewguy> him breathing down my neck kind of cuts down on productivity
[11:39:09] <moorbo> the most frustrating thing ever ^
[11:39:15] <somenewguy> yeap
[11:39:20] <somenewguy> esp casue he really doesn't kon wwhat he is doing
[11:39:29] <moorbo> do they ever?
[11:39:31] <CaptHindsight> most of those machines are a proprietary kludge of legacy going back to the 80's
[11:39:33] <somenewguy> I modified the machien to be used for QC currently (he broke all the cameras and mounts)
[11:39:46] <CaptHindsight> crashes?
[11:39:51] <moorbo> I need a cheap mill
[11:39:54] <somenewguy> basically its a CNC camera currently
[11:39:55] <moorbo> any suggestions
[11:39:58] <moorbo> liek a desktop mill
[11:40:18] <somenewguy> moorbo, the chinese one from little machine shop is fairly decent, the z motion is lumpy to
[11:40:23] <somenewguy> if you can swing it I love my taig
[11:40:34] <somenewguy> a little pricier and a little lighter, but the precision is very good
[11:40:34] <moorbo> any links?
[11:40:43] <moorbo> or model name
[11:40:45] <moorbo> number/
[11:40:55] <somenewguy> CaptHindsight: no, he said the "board mount is stupid so I made this custom one"
[11:41:11] <somenewguy> taig only makes 2 models, a cnc and a manual one, a quick google will find it for sure
[11:41:19] <moorbo> ok
[11:41:32] <somenewguy> I wish I could blame his mods on crashes...
[11:41:40] <moorbo> ah reminds me of the proxxon
[11:41:49] <somenewguy> hes just a force of nature, which makes him a good hacker but a pita to work with
[11:42:44] <moorbo> the taig is fairly pricy though..
[11:42:47] <somenewguy> i think the machine currently runs homecnc heavily modified? does anyone know about taht stuff?
[11:43:06] <somenewguy> moorbo, yes, but it is good quality, I got mine second hand for very cheap, just under 1k for the CNC model
[11:43:15] <moorbo> somenewguy: ebay?
[11:43:21] <moorbo> I'll have a gander anyways
[11:43:24] <moorbo> somenewguy: thanks for the tip
[11:43:27] <somenewguy> np
[11:43:49] <somenewguy> the proxxon are pretty nice, but they are super tiny, at least the ones I have seen in person
[11:44:25] <moorbo> have you seen the pocketnc?
[11:44:27] <somenewguy> next week I open up the control box on the Madell pick and place and see what hte control electronics are
[11:44:34] <somenewguy> to see if I can convert ot linuxcnc
[11:44:38] <moorbo> thats what got me wanting to buy a desktop mill
[11:44:40] <somenewguy> it communicates over a serail port
[11:44:48] <moorbo> but they want too much
[11:44:53] <somenewguy> any guess what hardware I might find in there?
[11:44:57] <somenewguy> pocketnc
[11:45:03] <moorbo> pocketnc.com
[11:45:16] <somenewguy> 5axis
[11:45:46] <moorbo> yeah
[11:45:53] <somenewguy> pretty slick, but what software would you use to generate toolpaths?
[11:45:55] <moorbo> it's quite the endevour
[11:46:04] <moorbo> somenewguy: I have axis to hypermill
[11:46:07] <moorbo> access
[11:46:11] <moorbo> christ englrish
[11:46:26] <moorbo> the cam isn't a problem really, the 3500$ price tag is
[11:46:40] <archivist> make your own
[11:46:51] <somenewguy> looks a little flexible tbh, but still very cool
[11:46:57] <somenewguy> and considering the size it might be rigid enough
[11:47:08] <somenewguy> I am curious about the drive motor, might need one for my mill
[11:47:10] <moorbo> it has a pretty small build volume
[11:47:12] <somenewguy> (still have belt speed control)
[11:48:04] <archivist> I think the multi stepper to belts on the rotary may be a fatal error
[11:48:23] <moorbo> archivist: may be
[11:48:47] <moorbo> If I was planning on making tinnnnny turbines
[11:48:52] <moorbo> I guess that'd be a good machine
[11:49:14] <archivist> how can the steppers ever be accurately in phase and not fighting each other
[11:49:24] <moorbo> send'em an email and ask
[11:49:33] <moorbo> I'm guessing they have a solution
[11:49:41] <moorbo> or maybe they're flying on the seat of their pants
[11:49:42] <moorbo> who knows.
[11:50:05] <archivist> if they had solutions they would be on sale already, it is taking ages
[11:50:25] <moorbo> just because they have that particular solution, doesn't mean they have others.
[11:50:43] <moorbo> they also redesigned the machine twice since I started following it
[11:51:12] <moorbo> but instead of criticising here in irc
[11:51:17] <moorbo> send'em an email and ask
[11:57:51] <archivist> not me that wants one though, as linuxcnc and homebrew hardware got me a 5 axis machine
[11:59:14] <moorbo> its you with the questions though.
[11:59:17] <moorbo> but thats great.
[11:59:27] <moorbo> maybe I'll build one one of these days
[12:10:32] <somenewguy> does anyone konw of stepper control hardware that operates over serial instead of parallel?
[12:12:54] <archivist> there was a PIC based system about 8-10 years ago
[12:13:55] <Tom_itx> flashcutcnc is usb
[12:14:14] <Tom_itx> my old one was serial
[12:14:33] <Tom_itx> it is now retired on the shelf
[12:20:49] <archivist> it was this http://www.jrkerr.com/pscmc.html
[12:23:55] <archivist> somenewguy, ^^
[12:36:30] <moorbo> any of you use filtering
[12:36:35] <moorbo> like air filtering
[12:36:50] <moorbo> or fume hoods
[12:44:02] <MattyMatt> somenewguy, you could use an arduino for that, if you add a max232 adaptor to give rs232 levels, and run a 3d printer firmware etc
[13:00:09] <Rab> Tom_itx, I have a serial FlashCut controller too. A friend and I tried to reverse-engineer the protocol a while back. It's pretty low-level; seems to be sending raw discrete step/dir signal commands, maybe just depending on the controller to do real-time scheduling.
[13:01:49] <Rab> We were hoping to write a driver for LinuxCNC, but decided just to control the drivers directly.
[13:08:23] <Rab> somenewguy, I think hardware RS232 ports are considered too slow; and emulated ports like USB-serial bridges aren't realtime.
[13:13:38] <somenewguy> sorry I got distracted
[13:13:53] <somenewguy> it is a real hardware serial port, I am just trying to guess what hardware might be on the other end of it
[13:14:18] <somenewguy> clarify: I am running a desktop machine that is currently using a real RS-232 port and wonder what the hardware might be
[13:14:28] <Rab> How old is the machine?
[13:14:40] <somenewguy> a few years
[13:14:48] <somenewguy> chinese/california company
[13:14:52] <somenewguy> its a pick and place
[13:15:37] <somenewguy> I was hoping to find some linuxcnc pick and place specific tools, but I have struck out
[13:15:54] <somenewguy> the software it shipped with is pretty mediocore, and documention does not exist
[13:16:06] <somenewguy> it just says "use it correctly" and thier customer service is a joke
[13:16:30] <somenewguy> also they inverted Z travel sign convention and it all just bugs me
[13:16:52] <somenewguy> but since this is for work, I can't go spend 2 weeks writing my on AXIS gui so the less talented folks at work can use it
[13:17:08] <somenewguy> 2 weeks = 2 months really with my skills lol
[13:17:22] <somenewguy> does anyone konw of a pick and place software suite?
[13:17:29] <Rab> Could be FlashCut, they've done OEM stuff. You can find the manual for the serial-driven 401A controller here: http://www.flashcutcnc.com/sites/default/files/Signal_Generator_Hardware_Guide.pdf
[13:18:25] <Rab> somenewguy, there's this: https://github.com/hzeller/rpt2pnp
[13:18:32] <somenewguy> rab, thanks for that, I'm gonna open the control box on monday
[13:19:52] <somenewguy> I got to learn all about VBA scripts to get PADs to spit out a csv that the stupid software could handle i nteh first place
[13:19:59] <somenewguy> the undocumented software of course
[13:20:12] <somenewguy> tehre are still two mystery fields that the vendor can't tell me what they are actually for
[13:22:41] <somenewguy> my favorite is the "import board" tool, which imports a board
[13:22:52] <somenewguy> they don't tell you what it imports or what it does with it, or what format it wants
[13:23:15] <somenewguy> so far I THINK it takes some sort of copper pour image and overlays it on the screen, based on snapshots in the manual
[13:23:17] <somenewguy> but I can't get it to do it
[13:23:38] <archivist> gerber file?
[13:23:39] <somenewguy> AND it wouldn't matter if I could ,becasue the screen is static and does not move as the tool head moves, so if you have the board in front of you it only tells you if its upside down or not
[13:24:17] <somenewguy> I think thats what it expects, i dunno how many types of gerber tehre are
[13:24:35] <somenewguy> IT is giving me a full copy of PADs next week so I don't need to bug the EE to keep trying to export thigns for me
[13:24:56] <somenewguy> OH and we had to quarentine the machine because the software set off every firewall alarm posible, so I move files around via sneaker net
[13:25:12] <somenewguy> I think you can see why I want to convert it to linuxcnc
[13:27:44] <Cromaglious_> bbiab
[13:34:12] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/dSYAAOSwNSxU0gIE/$_20.JPG
[13:34:20] <zeeshan|2> starting from the bottom right
[13:34:34] <zeeshan|2> er 40 , er16, er40, er32 er32 ?
[13:35:49] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4882936036.html
[13:35:59] <Crom_> looks like it
[13:37:29] <zeeshan|2> okay second row: er25/20, some large shell mill holder, no idea, no idea, no idea , er25/20
[13:37:32] <zeeshan|2> what are the no ideas? :)
[13:38:13] <Crom_> looks like there is a er11 or mt1 3rd from bottom, 3rd from left
[13:38:43] <zeeshan|2> guy wants 10$ a tool
[13:38:47] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of buyin em all
[13:38:53] <zeeshan|2> just that drill chuck is worth that
[13:38:59] <zeeshan|2> it looks like
[13:39:02] <zeeshan|2> one of them is a milling chuck too
[13:39:36] <Crom_> true $230 for all that is a deal!
[13:40:43] <Crom_> is he selling collets as well?
[13:41:06] <Crom_> I think that 3rd row is a line of end mill holders
[13:41:23] <PetefromTn_> see if you can get those nice racks too..
[13:42:32] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: he wants 100 bux for all the racks
[13:42:35] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if its worth it
[13:42:39] <zeeshan|2> i have a tool box where they can sit
[13:42:42] <zeeshan|2> w/ dividers
[13:42:55] <zeeshan|2> i hate keeping my tools o utside where they can collect dust
[13:43:11] <Crom_> hmmm $25 a rack...
[13:43:12] <PetefromTn_> it's up to you I guess
[13:43:18] <PetefromTn_> I made my own tool rack
[13:43:24] <zeeshan|2> you keep yorus outside ?
[13:43:32] <PetefromTn_> and it is nice to not have them slidng around etc.
[13:43:41] <zeeshan|2> well i have palstic dividers
[13:43:47] <zeeshan|2> that i can fit in the tool box drawers
[13:43:48] <PetefromTn_> actually it is UNDER the granite surface plate table I have
[13:44:45] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some guys take a big toolbox drawer and make a tool rack in it. but it would have to be a very large heavy duty drawer..
[13:45:09] <zeeshan|2> see i have 2 ideas for my mill
[13:45:19] <PetefromTn_> every shop I have worked in kept their toolholders in racks just like that...
[13:45:21] <zeeshan|2> i need to put the monitor/keyboard/mouse on a rolling cabinet
[13:45:32] <zeeshan|2> im thinking i should just make a rolling cabinet out of wood
[13:45:38] <zeeshan|2> and just mount these tool holders under it
[13:45:48] <zeeshan|2> or buy a heavy duty tool box roller
[13:45:55] <zeeshan|2> and put the tools inside
[13:46:04] <PetefromTn_> wood is a good media for toolholder storage
[13:46:37] <PetefromTn_> it will not scratch your tapers but it does absorb coolant and oils if not treated..
[13:46:47] <zeeshan|2> yes
[13:46:52] <zeeshan|2> and gives your garage a lovely machine shop smell
[13:46:53] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[13:47:02] <Crom_> http://www.neowin.net/news/a-camera-flash-will-make-the-raspberry-pi-2-freeze-and-reboot
[13:47:11] <PetefromTn_> mine is made from some prefinished furniture grade plywood...
[13:47:32] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you did wood working
[13:47:33] <PetefromTn_> and if it ever wears out I will just make more.
[13:47:37] <zeeshan|2> know of a easy to make design
[13:47:45] <zeeshan|2> i need a table top for the comp
[13:47:47] <zeeshan|2> and tool storage under it
[13:47:57] <zeeshan|2> no need for doors
[13:48:00] <zeeshan|2> completely open concept
[13:48:28] <PetefromTn_> why don't you want a built in pendant for the machine?
[13:48:47] <zeeshan|2> maybe one day
[13:48:50] <zeeshan|2> but idont see me using one
[13:48:52] <zeeshan|2> keyboard is ok
[13:49:02] <PetefromTn_> if I could afford it I would buy a bunch of those HAAS tool racks they put on the sides of thier machines..
[13:49:16] <zeeshan|2> those are haas tool racks ?
[13:49:31] <PetefromTn_> no not those in your picture
[13:50:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.magnitude-engineering.com/images/Cat-40-Tool-Storage.jpg
[13:50:34] <PetefromTn_> you can get those and attach them to the side of the enclosure on my machine... several would be enough for most all of the tools I would need.
[13:50:59] <zeeshan|2> ah
[13:51:29] <PetefromTn_> http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mx5OvPmb7R2AAV2GhhWSq6w.jpg something like this would be nice as well.
[13:51:45] <zeeshan|2> ooo i like that
[13:51:52] <zeeshan|2> i can put those tool racks at an angle
[13:51:56] <PetefromTn_> http://carbide3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/toolholders.jpg
[13:51:57] <zeeshan|2> below 2 plywood sheets
[13:52:04] <PetefromTn_> that is what the new HAAS racks look like
[13:52:05] <zeeshan|2> and use 2x4's for the legs
[13:52:18] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[13:52:35] <zeeshan|2> that just looks like w/ a piece of wood w/ holes in it!
[13:52:42] <PetefromTn_> nothing wrong with a well made woodern cabinet for toolholders
[13:52:43] <zeeshan|2> and those cord protector plastic chups
[13:53:18] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta get back to makin' parts man. good luck with your design.
[13:53:23] <zeeshan|2> thank u
[13:53:26] <PetefromTn_> sure
[15:41:57] <fluffybitchx> GRRRRR! I got ripped off on name-brand wire!
[15:42:59] <fluffybitchx> I bought some 12/3 soow from the local hardware store. they changed brands. they used to give you coleman royal, which was really nice. this time they gave me southwire (garbage) SJTOOW.
[15:43:26] <fluffybitchx> it's crap. the outer jacket is paper thin, and, as you might guess from the T, the inner insulation is junk thermoplastic, not proper S-rated insulation.
[15:44:07] <fluffybitchx> if I wanted junk extension cord wire, I'd buy a 50ft extension cord for $20, not pay $1.30/ft for soow.
[15:45:58] <fluffybitchx> the fact that southwire makes such a product makes me like them even less than I did before.
[15:49:07] <fluffybitchx> I will be having a little talk with them next time I'm there about how when a customer asks for SOOW, you cut them a piece of SOOW, not pocket half the money and give them SJTOOW instead.
[15:50:16] <renesis> its raining you shouldnt be doing electrical stuff
[15:50:33] <renesis> should stay home, order pizza
[15:50:48] * fluffybitchx doesn't like pizza
[15:50:53] <fluffybitchx> and most of my house doesn't rain indoors
[15:51:23] <renesis> whats about cookies?
[15:51:31] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: jeez! what a ripoff
[15:52:04] <renesis> http://www.southwire.com/products/ViperRubberTypeSOOWBlack.htm
[15:52:05] <fluffybitchx> I spent $1.30/ft instead of $0.30/ft because I wanted the good stuff. heh.
[15:52:10] <renesis> so you did or didnt get that?
[15:52:37] <fluffybitchx> I got "Southwire Seoprene SJTOOW"
[15:52:44] <XXCoder> wonder if they acciently swapped with some other customer, cheaper one
[15:53:05] <syyl> "give him the crappy stuff!"
[15:53:06] <renesis> seoprene sounds squishy
[15:53:23] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: they probably just ordered something cheap out of the catalog.
[15:53:33] <fluffybitchx> they're not a huge store, and only have a roll or two of any wire at a time...
[15:53:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:53:44] <fluffybitchx> someone said "hey, this stuff is half the price!".
[15:53:53] <renesis> heh
[15:53:58] <renesis> same picture!
[15:54:00] <XXCoder> plan to return it?
[15:54:02] <renesis> must be the same!
[15:54:41] <renesis> wow half the voltage and 20C less
[15:54:43] <renesis> messed up
[15:55:34] <fluffybitchx> yep
[15:55:43] <fluffybitchx> (yep, messed up. no, don't plan to return it.)
[15:55:59] <fluffybitchx> I only bought three feet...
[15:56:10] <XXCoder> ah so bunch miles not worth it I guess
[15:56:18] <fluffybitchx> yep
[15:56:43] <XXCoder> can always complain via phone!
[15:56:49] <fluffybitchx> I didn't realize it was crap because the outer jacket is the same material as real soow... didn't see what the inner conductors were until I stripped it to use it.
[15:56:49] <XXCoder> basically free
[15:57:19] <XXCoder> melt their phone with vent. well friendly usually has better result
[15:57:26] <fluffybitchx> I knew it was sjoow not soow looking at it, but I expected that (they don't stock soow in smaller sizes)... it's the T that pisses me off.
[15:59:16] <fluffybitchx> it's got the nice jacket over stiff extension cord grade inner wires.
[15:59:41] <XXCoder> so you need lot flex
[15:59:46] <XXCoder> so it dont break
[15:59:54] <PetefromTn_> so you are livid about buying something that costs $1.00 a foot and you only bought three feet?
[15:59:57] <fluffybitchx> well, for this, I don't. so I'm using it anyway. but I won't buy it in the future.
[16:00:25] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: I'm unhappy that they substituted an inferior product. I'd be unhappy if I just got one foot too.
[16:00:46] <fluffybitchx> and it cost $1.29/ft. heh.
[16:01:04] <XXCoder> pete sometimes its not price but how business is conducted
[16:01:25] <XXCoder> I got angry recently when I found out my led lights for car only work when headlight is on
[16:01:34] <XXCoder> and it doesn't work when headlight is off. useless!
[16:02:31] <fluffybitchx> I guess I can add wire to the list of things I need to buy online...
[16:02:56] <fluffybitchx> oh, I went by radio shack today. the local store is staying open until march, the other store in the same town is closing.
[16:04:09] <fluffybitchx> I'll need to head down there and see if they're doing closeouts...
[16:04:35] <CaptHindsight> what do they have there worth buying?
[16:04:46] <XXCoder> phones. lots phones
[16:04:52] <XXCoder> make a phone array ;)
[16:05:01] <CaptHindsight> unlocked phones?
[16:05:26] <fluffybitchx> they still have parts drawers... although every year there's been less in them.
[16:05:40] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: they havent refilled it for last 10 years probably lol
[16:06:01] <XXCoder> I have seen literal dust on em
[16:07:38] <fluffybitchx> better than figurative dust? :P
[16:07:54] <XXCoder> that was there too LOL
[16:08:50] <fluffybitchx> fortunately, for this application, the wire isn't critical. I'm just making a box with a switch and an outlet, as a temporary power switch. needed one a few times, finally building one.
[16:09:02] <XXCoder> nice
[16:09:32] <XXCoder> I'm finally doing something about my inability to do anything
[16:09:38] <XXCoder> lets see how successfl it is
[16:09:59] * fluffybitchx wonders how you something about that, other than simply doing things
[16:10:55] <XXCoder> unofrtunately private. just saying I hope to finally solve it after decades
[16:10:58] <fluffybitchx> oh, and... wtf? I bought some ginger snaps at costco. they have a warning on them that they contain chemicals known to cause cancer or birth defects.
[16:11:36] <PetefromTn_> http://gizmodo.com/watch-live-as-spacex-attempts-to-land-a-rocket-on-a-dro-1684493822 interesting...
[16:13:47] <fluffybitchx> I kid you not. I bought a tub of all natural ginger snaps. it says "This product may contain a chemical known to the state of california to cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm."
[16:14:18] <XXCoder> california
[16:19:26] <fluffybitchx> according to random google pages, this means they use ginger bought from countries where heavy metal contamination of the soil is an issue.
[16:19:41] <XXCoder> oh thats fun
[16:28:27] <Deejay> gn8
[16:29:20] <fluffybitchx> PetefromTn_: "We're sorry, but this video is unavailable on this device.'
[16:32:53] <fluffybitchx> and they use intentionally obfuscated javascript, so it'd be a bitch to even see why it's broken.
[16:33:19] * fluffybitchx adds gizmondo to the list of asshole companies not to do business with
[16:35:34] <fluffybitchx> being broken is one thing. making it intentionally impossible to figure out why is like zeeshan|2's ground-off chip labels, and a good sign you shouldn't do business with someone.
[16:35:52] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: there is nice unobfuscator sites
[16:36:00] <XXCoder> leaves variable names sucky though
[16:36:09] <zeeshan|2> man
[16:36:21] <XXCoder> kraken has awaken!!
[16:36:23] <zeeshan|2> this stupid problem has gotten my old ee electronics books
[16:36:32] <zeeshan|2> *me reading
[16:36:42] <zeeshan|2> i thought i'd never open this shit again
[16:36:43] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:37:02] <XXCoder> heh
[16:37:16] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: I'm not going to waste my time trying to make their site work, when it'll probably be all over the internet.
[16:37:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:37:36] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: hi!
[16:37:54] <_methods> the spacex site?
[16:38:24] <fluffybitchx> spacex's site claims to have video, but I see no sign of video at all.
[16:38:57] <zeeshan|2> is that 37 million people
[16:39:00] <zeeshan|2> watching this live stream?
[16:39:24] <fluffybitchx> is what?
[16:39:30] <zeeshan|2> on the ustream
[16:40:15] <fluffybitchx> ustream tells me nothing other than the message I pasted above, so...
[16:40:19] <_methods> its on livestream
[16:40:22] <zeeshan|2> sorry fluffybitchx :-)
[16:40:50] <_methods> in 29min
[16:41:14] <zeeshan|2> says 6:10 pm
[16:41:27] <_methods> live in 29:10
[16:41:36] <zeeshan|2> huh
[16:41:41] <zeeshan|2> its already liv eon the bottom of the page
[16:41:59] <zeeshan|2> maybe im on the wrong page
[16:41:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[16:42:05] <fluffybitchx> I really wish the html5 people had grown a spine and mandated separation of content and presentation.
[16:42:07] <zeeshan|2> yeahe went
[16:42:09] <zeeshan|2> t-48min
[16:42:22] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: its morons like me
[16:42:27] <zeeshan|2> who dont optimize pages
[16:42:30] <zeeshan|2> and run 2390923182309 images
[16:42:35] <zeeshan|2> noobs :)
[16:42:55] <fluffybitchx> no, it's morons like big multi-billion dollar media outlets.
[16:48:09] <fluffybitchx> they don't want you to watch videos in a player of your choice... they want you to watch them in their player only. they don't want them in your mobile browser, because then they can't make you download a data-slurping app. etc.
[16:49:13] <fluffybitchx> roughly every single problem with web video is due to people trying to screw their customers.
[16:51:58] <fluffybitchx> the w3c was thinking of preventing this, by mandating the use of open codecs, etc... but "industry partners" provided enough money to make them change their mind.
[17:03:36] <cncjerry> anyone home?
[17:03:48] <fluffybitchx> no
[17:04:17] <zeeshan|2> im watching this movie "blackhat"
[17:04:18] <cncjerry> I have a pressing problem. I lost my config file for catia. I can't get G2 arcs to work. I'm sure it is a config problem either on linuxcnc or catia, most likely
[17:04:28] <zeeshan|2> the guy goes cat somefile
[17:04:32] <zeeshan|2> looks at some hex code
[17:04:38] <cncjerry> linuxcnc barfs when I load code.
[17:04:43] <zeeshan|2> and deduces whats going on in 5 seconds lol
[17:05:11] <zeeshan|2> cncjerry: set your post processor to output quadrant mode
[17:05:11] <fluffybitchx> cat doesn't show hex. od shows hex. :P
[17:05:16] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: exactly
[17:05:17] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[17:06:04] <fluffybitchx> as to what he can make of it, that depends on how familiar he is with whatever it's trying to show. there was a time I could read dns packets...
[17:06:07] <XXCoder> cncjerry: try recover deleted file?
[17:06:20] <XXCoder> or was it worse like dead disk
[17:06:58] <cradek> cncjerry: by "barfs" do you mean it gives an error, and if so, what does the error say?
[17:07:21] <cncjerry> what is quadrant mode? I have these options: IJK absolute center coordinates; IJK distance start to center; IJK distance center to start; IJK unsigned center to start
[17:07:36] <cncjerry> it worked for years, tried all options, I think.
[17:08:08] <cncjerry> dead disk, lost 4 drives on two computers in a period of three weeks. sounds like an algebra problem
[17:08:34] <XXCoder> oh that sucks. there is ways to get it anyway but more money
[17:08:50] <cncjerry> about the only thing I couldn't get off the disk before it went completely were those files
[17:09:04] <cradek> here is our arc documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G2-G3-Arc
[17:09:23] <cncjerry> the error I get is along the lines of the end point and start point aren't on the arc
[17:09:26] <cradek> you will have to compare with catia documentation - I can't tell enough from those options to guess which one will make it generate compatible code
[17:09:51] <cncjerry> this is a killer in that I don't remember making many changes to get it to work.
[17:09:51] <fluffybitchx> "the end point and start point aren't on the arc" is much, much more useful a description than "barfs".
[17:10:14] <cradek> I'd still need the full actual error message to give more specific help
[17:10:21] <cradek> those arc errors are VERY verbose and specific
[17:10:31] <cncjerry> considering that almost all g2/g3 errors are endpoint/startpoint, I think barfs is about right.
[17:11:08] <cncjerry> it is downstairs on the machine, can't copy it, have broken arm, hard to type as it is.
[17:11:30] <cncjerry> are there any linuxcnc config options other than g90.1, g91.1 that would impact arcs?
[17:11:31] <cradek> guess we'll just sit here in the dark then
[17:11:34] <fluffybitchx> bah! livestream says I need to install flash.
[17:11:55] <cradek> nope, those are it
[17:12:50] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: ive had that error before
[17:12:59] <zeeshan|2> linuxcnc in my exp doesnt like anything but quadrant mode
[17:13:07] * fluffybitchx really wishes flash would hurry up and die
[17:14:04] <zeeshan|2> oh it could be cause im using 91.1
[17:15:11] <zeeshan|2> nice linuxcnc has full circle mode too
[17:15:31] <PetefromTn_> 15:50 to launch
[17:15:33] <cncjerry> radius to end of arc differs from radius to start. start = x1.1550, y1.7880, center= (1.1550,y2.1820),end =(x0.7610,Y1.3940), r1=0.3940, r2=0.8810 abs_err=0.487, rel_err=55.2786%
[17:16:15] <cradek> ok, the radii are wildly different, so your generation mode is wrong, it's not a tolerance problem
[17:16:36] <cradek> which post option are you using and which g90.1/g91.1 mode are you in?
[17:16:52] <cradek> you can probably use either of g90.1/g91.1 but you have to match it
[17:16:58] <cncjerry> I am in default.
[17:17:44] <cncjerry> the g3 generating this is g3 x.761 Y1.394 I0 J.394
[17:18:04] <zeeshan|2> cncjerry: try "IJK distance start to center"
[17:18:31] <anarchos22> I have a end mill that says 1/8" Dia. HS M2 L:0.680 10/13. What does the M2 mean, and what does the L measure? Neither the overall length, shoulder length or flute length meaures to .680
[17:18:39] <zeeshan|2> by quadrant mode i mean single quadrant circular interpolation mode
[17:18:48] <zeeshan|2> so you define start , center
[17:18:52] <zeeshan|2> in terms of each quadrant
[17:19:22] <zeeshan|2> anarchos22: m2 tool steel
[17:20:23] <cncjerry> distance start to center generates g3 x.761 Y1.394 I0 J-.394
[17:20:35] <zeeshan|2> try that code
[17:20:50] <anarchos22> ah, that makes sense. I think i figured out that 10/13 is the date of mfg, on the package is says "Made in Korea 10/13"
[17:22:00] <fluffybitchx> grrr, and livestreamer seems to intentionally break download tools.
[17:22:13] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: 9 min 3 left
[17:22:16] <zeeshan|2> hurry!
[17:23:02] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[17:24:46] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/dSYAAOSwNSxU0gIE/$_20.JPG
[17:24:53] <zeeshan|2> that does look like a milling chuck right??
[17:24:54] <XXCoder> collets
[17:24:55] <zeeshan|2> in the back
[17:25:17] <cncjerry> I ran that code and the error is the same but the delta is now only .001"
[17:25:34] <zeeshan|2> cncjerry: getting closer :)
[17:25:50] <cncjerry> so that must be the correct option but my code or linuxcnc is not rounding to the correct tolerance.
[17:25:59] <zeeshan|2> likely your code
[17:26:08] <zeeshan|2> there is a tolerance option in the post processor
[17:26:11] <zeeshan|2> its usually the first menu
[17:26:13] <PetefromTn_> T minus 5 minutes
[17:26:13] <cncjerry> yes, it is my code as this worked before.
[17:26:23] <cradek> by delta do you mean the difference between r1= and r2= ?
[17:26:40] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: theyre saying they might no launch
[17:26:40] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[17:27:03] <PetefromTn_> honestly I can't hear it while the machine is running... That sucks
[17:27:16] <zeeshan|2> something wrong with radar
[17:27:49] <cncjerry> this is just a rounded corner. what should the generated code look like as I think the x is off?
[17:27:50] <PetefromTn_> We don't need to STEENKING RADAR!!
[17:28:42] <fluffybitchx> grrrr, they didn't just skimp on the insulation... this #12 wire is a loose fit in a blue terminal.
[17:28:48] <zeeshan|2> misgo!
[17:28:48] <zeeshan|2> abort
[17:29:03] <zeeshan|2> they aborted
[17:29:26] <zeeshan|2> lol they guy went "whoa whoa whooo. abort!!"
[17:30:00] <_methods> live in 29:10lame
[17:30:03] <PetefromTn_> LIGHT THIS CANDLE!!!!
[17:30:07] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:30:13] <zeeshan|2> they missed the window
[17:30:15] <_methods> yeah
[17:30:15] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: link?
[17:30:16] <zeeshan|2> they gotta launch another time
[17:30:20] <_methods> sux
[17:30:29] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: http://gizmodo.com/watch-live-as-spacex-attempts-to-land-a-rocket-on-a-dro-1684493822
[17:31:01] <zeeshan|2> what a waste of fuel
[17:31:02] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:31:12] <cncjerry> one of my clients is ULA. interesting comments from them on this topic.
[17:31:25] <cncjerry> United Launch Alliance
[17:32:17] <zeeshan|2> that woulda been bad
[17:32:20] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks I was looking forward to seeing it fly...
[17:32:23] <zeeshan|2> if they lauch w/ that range track issue
[17:32:29] <zeeshan|2> they coulda lost control of the rocket lol
[17:32:43] <_methods> i just want to see the landing lol
[17:32:45] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if amc made their range tracker
[17:32:51] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[17:32:54] <zeeshan|2> it fried on power applied
[17:33:36] <_methods> did they have you wire it up lol
[17:33:41] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[17:33:50] <zeeshan|2> so far my wiring is ok!! :P
[17:33:58] <PetefromTn_> OUCH
[17:34:11] <_methods> i keed i keed
[17:34:19] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[17:34:31] <cncjerry> ************** code loaded with that DSTC and number format 3.5 instead of 3.3. Must be a rounding problem somewhere. Thanks off to cut.
[17:37:11] <cradek> yay!
[17:37:49] <zeeshan|2> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oIncS6tq9Oc/VNe95dOMNOI/AAAAAAADkag/zhh9zxrNlnA/s1600/1374273_208491535998601_971062057_n.jpg
[17:37:52] <zeeshan|2> interesting photo
[17:38:24] <_methods> flux capacitor failed
[17:38:41] <PetefromTn_> it shat itself
[17:39:45] <_methods> looks like one of those cigars that blow up in daffy ducks face
[17:39:58] <fluffybitchx> why are ground screws made with heads that are impossible to get ANY screwdriver to stick in?
[17:40:20] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: chinese
[17:40:23] <fluffybitchx> boiler explosions are bad.
[17:40:24] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 any luck or are you waiting to hear from the ole phart at the motor shop?
[17:40:36] <zeeshan|2> will take to shop tomo
[17:40:39] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: no, it's intentional... this one has a hex head too, but it's cut at a 45 degree angle!
[17:41:03] <XXCoder> wtf how do you even insert hex tool
[17:41:12] <XXCoder> or do you mean 45 degree camfer
[17:41:14] <fluffybitchx> external hex
[17:41:47] <fluffybitchx> but cut like / \ rather than | | like a bolt. so a nutdriver instantly jumps off, just like a screwdriver instantly jumps out of the inside.
[17:42:51] <XXCoder> wow
[17:43:16] <XXCoder> must be specoal tool
[17:43:34] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4883099374.html CNC Wood lathe anyone?
[17:44:17] <XXCoder> expensive
[17:44:44] <XXCoder> but yeah wood lathe could be useful of you need LOT lathed wood parts
[17:44:53] <XXCoder> aka long dilios lol
[17:45:16] <XXCoder> oh motor included
[17:45:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Fox-W1758-Digital-Readout/dp/B0019CGYLM
[17:45:45] <XXCoder> one at harbor isnt even $100, but no motor
[17:55:31] <fluffybitchx> most of the wooden dildos I've seen for sale look like they need 5-axis machining, not just a lathe.
[17:56:11] <LeelooMinai> You have awaken the expert
[17:57:00] * fluffybitchx has never owned or used a wooden dildo
[17:57:29] <LeelooMinai> Too entry level probably:)
[17:59:35] <fluffybitchx> so, with combination slotted-phillips-square drive screws, while about 95% of the time they strip before you get them in, they do occasionally go in. therefor I propose everyone switch to slotted-phillips-square-torx-hex heads, to make sure every single one strips without fail.
[18:02:31] <fluffybitchx> yay, instant-power-switch works.
[18:02:46] <fluffybitchx> (it had better, consisting of a box with a switch and an outlet in it... not much to go wrong)
[18:05:15] <roycroft> i find that the combination slotted-phillips-robertson drive screws work best with a properly fitted slotted srewdriver, and i have no problem with them when i use one, but i prefer socket head/button head screws/bolts for most things
[18:05:34] <roycroft> i hate the look of the combination drive screws, which is reason enough for me to avoid them
[18:07:02] <LeelooMinai> I used to live in Europe and mostly there are slotted/philips screws there. But I like the robertson/square ones that are used here (Canada/US)
[18:07:03] <fluffybitchx> I find that once you cut a square out of a phillips, phillips just strips instantly.
[18:07:19] <fluffybitchx> not enough metal left.
[18:07:26] <roycroft> right
[18:07:35] <LeelooMinai> They wre designed to strip, no?
[18:07:43] <roycroft> which is why i prefer a slotted screwdriver when i'm forced to use those combination screws
[18:07:46] <fluffybitchx> slotted doesn't self-center and can't be used with power tools
[18:08:19] <roycroft> might i suggest then that you not use the combination drive screws with power tools?
[18:08:59] <LeelooMinai> I think there's a reason why, for example, desck screws are Robertson:)
[18:09:07] <LeelooMinai> deck*
[18:09:33] <roycroft> deck screws, especially the ceramic coated ones, are increasingly coming in torx drive, with a torx bit included in each box of screws
[18:09:37] <fluffybitchx> I use torx deck screws.
[18:09:58] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, torx is nice too, but more "exotic" still
[18:10:09] <roycroft> which is why they come with a bit in every box
[18:10:14] <fluffybitchx> dunno, I think here they're more common than square now.
[18:10:28] <roycroft> robertson never caught on in the states like it did in canadia
[18:10:32] <LeelooMinai> NOt here in Canada afaik
[18:10:36] <roycroft> probably because they were invented there
[18:10:59] <fluffybitchx> probably because of restrictive licensing, which is why torx took an extra 25 years to catch on.
[18:11:02] <roycroft> the only trade where they were at all popular in the states was electrical
[18:11:13] <LeelooMinai> Did not take a genius to "invent" those - just make the hole square:)
[18:12:39] <roycroft> most patentable inventions do not take genius
[18:12:40] <LeelooMinai> The only thought I can see went into the Philips one - to make them annoying.
[18:13:07] <roycroft> i have no trouble with phillips screws
[18:13:17] <roycroft> as long as the driver is not worn out they work perfectly well
[18:13:36] <fluffybitchx> as long as it's the right driver. there's three common types here....
[18:13:43] <roycroft> if you're using a cheap screwgun bit that's driven 500 ss screws it's not going to work very well
[18:13:57] <roycroft> sure
[18:14:15] <fluffybitchx> I use torx now for all my wood screws, and love it.
[18:14:17] <roycroft> and there multiple types of slotted screw slot profiles
[18:14:18] <LeelooMinai> The problems begin when the scenerio in which they are not used is not perfect - that is in 90% cases probably:)
[18:14:19] <roycroft> and multiple torx
[18:14:23] <roycroft> and multiple robertson
[18:14:52] <roycroft> i use different types, depending on application and finish
[18:15:06] <fluffybitchx> there's only two torx. torx and torx plus. torx plus was "invented" recently when the patent on torx ran out, and like all technologies encumbered by patents, it's prevented its adoption.
[18:15:15] <roycroft> i really like the look of slotted brass round head screws for fastening control panels and other types of covers
[18:15:39] <fluffybitchx> torx plus exists only so they have something to license, once they couldn't license torx...
[18:15:55] <fluffybitchx> I hate slotted screws. I never use them unless I have to.
[18:15:56] <roycroft> i'll usually run a zps phillips pan head screw in first with a screw gun, then back it out and replace it with a brass screw that i hand install, and align the slot horizontally
[18:16:06] <roycroft> it makes for a nice finished look
[18:16:15] <fluffybitchx> phillips makes for a nicer finished look. :P
[18:16:15] <roycroft> but i'm not going to do that for something that's hidden
[18:16:29] <roycroft> that, i suppose, is a matter of taste
[18:16:30] <LeelooMinai> Slotted screws are not that great imho - they can easily get worn, especially the flat head kind.
[18:16:44] <fluffybitchx> button head hex cap if you want to be really fancy.
[18:16:54] <roycroft> on machinery sure
[18:17:07] <roycroft> on wooden projects, i still like round head slotted brass
[18:17:23] <fluffybitchx> phillips is round with smooth edges...
[18:17:32] <roycroft> on machinery i use button head cap screws and socket head screws almost exclusively
[18:18:03] <roycroft> if i ever have to remove a phillips drive screw on a piece of machinery i generally replace it with one of the above
[18:18:23] <LeelooMinai> Assuming you can even unscrew it:)
[18:18:37] <LeelooMinai> If it's old, it may be problematic
[18:18:37] <roycroft> that's not a problem
[18:18:45] <fluffybitchx> we need a kickstarter open screw head project... :P
[18:19:06] <LeelooMinai> Probably all the geometric shapes are patentyed already
[18:19:27] <anarchos22> 3D shapes
[18:19:35] <roycroft> let's bring back clutch screws
[18:19:42] <anarchos22> buckball screws
[18:19:45] <anarchos22> bucky*
[18:19:51] <roycroft> i still have some clutch screwdrivers - i haven't used them in decades
[18:20:11] <fluffybitchx> I only have one thing with clutch screws... and I've replaced most of them with phillips.
[18:20:33] <roycroft> i think gm were the last company in the world to use them, and they abandoned them in the '70s or so
[18:21:04] <LeelooMinai> I had to google them - what are they about? :)
[18:21:14] <fluffybitchx> http://fw.bushytails.net/charger2.jpg had clutch screws. now has phillips.
[18:21:15] <LeelooMinai> Seems like you can turn them in only one dir?
[18:21:25] <fluffybitchx> google harder. :P
[18:21:25] <LeelooMinai> So what - one use screws? :)
[18:21:33] <fluffybitchx> those are not clutch screws.
[18:21:35] <XXCoder> LeelooMinai: just use nonecludian shapes
[18:21:57] <LeelooMinai> Well, that's how clutches work though
[18:22:14] <roycroft> so i have this for stubborn screws:
[18:22:17] <roycroft> http://www.shoptoolsforpros.com/media/catalog/product/cache/13/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/w/i/wivco-th28000-remover.jpg
[18:22:24] <fluffybitchx> http://www.classychevusa.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=588/prd588.htm
[18:22:32] <roycroft> the piece on the left attaches to an air chisel
[18:22:42] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, those are different
[18:22:46] <roycroft> you screw the handle into the threaded hole
[18:22:56] <roycroft> the red cap on top is where you put the screw bit
[18:23:05] <fluffybitchx> nice. I have the manual whack-with-a-hammer version.
[18:23:15] <roycroft> then you just start pounding on it with the air chisel and twist the handle
[18:23:22] <LeelooMinai> For clutch thoe came up: http://www.alcomet.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/h/ch_ss_a2.jpg
[18:23:23] <roycroft> i've never not been able to get a screw out with that
[18:23:40] <roycroft> and i've never broken one off while extracting it
[18:24:15] <fluffybitchx> the case on my battery charger was about 30 clutch screws... last time I had it apart (rectifier upgrade), I used phillips to put it back together.
[18:24:16] <LeelooMinai> http://www.almproducts.co.uk/files/image/Screw%20Head%20types.jpg
[18:24:24] <LeelooMinai> The fourth one seems that evil kind:)
[18:24:54] <LeelooMinai> The fifth seems interesting
[18:25:03] <roycroft> i use a lot of those tamper-proof torx screws
[18:25:20] <roycroft> i have fiber vaults in the ground
[18:25:26] <fluffybitchx> the original rectifiers were selenium stacks, which failed long ago. then the 60A bridge failed. so I put in a 300A bridge. :P
[18:25:29] <roycroft> tweakers try to steal the fiber, thinking it's copper
[18:25:36] <LeelooMinai> lol
[18:25:56] <roycroft> the standard five-sided vault bolts don't stop them
[18:26:17] <LeelooMinai> You can always weld them shut:)
[18:26:18] <roycroft> so in addition to those, i had my vault lids designed with recessed hasps
[18:26:20] <roycroft> which i padlock
[18:26:21] <_methods> hahah
[18:26:28] <_methods> gonna go sell this glass
[18:26:33] <fluffybitchx> my suggestion would be to wrap the fiber in a shield wired to 10kv.
[18:26:38] <roycroft> and the cover that goes over the recess i attach with those tamper-proof torx screws
[18:26:54] <roycroft> in a really weird size that's almost impossible to get - i think it's t27
[18:27:02] <fluffybitchx> it's optical, so it won't care about a little bit of electrical noise in the area...
[18:27:13] <roycroft> guess what
[18:27:24] <LeelooMinai> Put a bear traps inside the boxes
[18:27:29] <roycroft> my vaults have never been broken into and my fiber has never been vandalized
[18:27:35] <roycroft> other fiber around town has been
[18:27:50] <roycroft> it costs me about $100/vault extra for the special lid
[18:27:57] <roycroft> it costs about $2750 to install a vault
[18:28:00] <roycroft> so that $100 is peanuts
[18:28:02] <fluffybitchx> there was a big problem with that near here a bit ago.... tweakers stealing fiber thinking it was copper.
[18:28:12] <LeelooMinai> If they are tweakers they may try to unscrwe them anyways and die of exhaustion after 10k turns
[18:28:24] <roycroft> they do try, leeloominai
[18:28:29] <roycroft> and they spend hours working at it
[18:28:37] <fluffybitchx> I think the best response to tweakers is to kill them quickly, not wait until they die of exhaustion.
[18:28:41] <roycroft> but with my three-barrier vaults they just move on to the easier ones
[18:28:46] <fluffybitchx> vaults with springguns would be nice.
[18:28:56] <roycroft> you can't buy five-sided sockets at a hardware store
[18:29:15] <roycroft> tweakers do not have the wherewithall to order them from a proper supplier
[18:29:26] <roycroft> so they will spent hours with whatever they can find trying to twist those things off
[18:29:28] <LeelooMinai> They could just dremel the heads off probably:)
[18:29:38] <roycroft> tweakers do not have dremel tools
[18:29:41] <roycroft> they have rocks
[18:29:45] <roycroft> and they have needles
[18:29:49] <roycroft> and shopping carts
[18:29:56] <LeelooMinai> Right, I guess they are not very sophizticated in the tool department
[18:30:02] <LeelooMinai> s*
[18:30:10] <fluffybitchx> rocks in their heads and needles in their arms.
[18:30:18] <roycroft> any money they get goes towards their next fix
[18:31:27] * roycroft heads back out to the shop
[18:31:32] <fluffybitchx> well, so far so good. my power supply has been on for a while and nothing except the bleeder resistor is hot.
[18:31:53] <XXCoder> whats bleeder resistor do
[18:31:57] <fluffybitchx> and the pink led is still working, although it's turned slightly purpleish. :P
[18:32:41] <fluffybitchx> XXCoder: the capacitor I used has a very low self-discharge rate. the bleeder resistor just wastes power so the system doesn't stay live even after the power is turned off.
[18:32:52] <XXCoder> ahh
[18:33:06] <fluffybitchx> when I tested it, after about an hour, the 60v had only dropped to 50v...
[18:33:19] <fluffybitchx> which is impressively good, imho.
[18:33:24] <XXCoder> very large resistor value so it will bleed all charge off evenually
[18:34:21] <fluffybitchx> 1.2K 10W
[18:36:14] <fluffybitchx> I'm actually quite impressed how slowly this cap self-discharges.
[18:36:32] <XXCoder> more effecient I'd guess
[18:37:15] <fluffybitchx> one of these days I'll upgrade that battery charger to include voltage regulation... if I'm bored. heh.
[18:38:21] <LeelooMinai> tm32 swo speed
[18:38:33] <LeelooMinai> oops, sorry
[18:39:43] <PetefromTn_> chillin' out watching the machine make parts makes me smile...
[18:40:44] <fluffybitchx> only my sherline makes parts... too many projects left on my new one.
[18:40:57] <fluffybitchx> and my sherline doesn't really make parts... it makes very small parts.
[18:41:32] <PetefromTn_> I know they are nice little machines but I cannot imagine what I would do with one
[18:42:10] <fluffybitchx> someday I'll have a need to make small things. :P
[18:42:44] <PetefromTn_> really enjoying this vacuum clamping stuff
[18:43:03] <jdh> using a HF pump?
[18:43:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[18:43:17] <jdh> nifty
[18:43:18] <PetefromTn_> working really good so far
[18:43:34] <PetefromTn_> it
[18:43:38] <jdh> was that some specific pattern in the plates or just something you made up?
[18:43:41] <PetefromTn_> it's so quiet
[18:43:52] <PetefromTn_> the engraving"
[18:43:56] <fluffybitchx> if you're using the one for hvac work, be sure to keep on top of the oil.
[18:44:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah got plenty of oil now
[18:46:04] <fluffybitchx> mmm, a lunch of fresh pineapple and lead-tainted gingersnaps. time to get back to work.
[18:46:17] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/lo273p4 Need some nema 7's for the conversion.
[18:46:45] <PetefromTn_> heh
[18:47:07] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that not having a lathe here is REALLY SUCKING ASS!!
[18:47:17] <fluffybitchx> nah, nema17 should be a good match.
[18:47:30] * fluffybitchx has never seen a 7, but figures it must be tiny
[18:47:33] <jdh> go buy a HF 10x
[18:47:52] <PetefromTn_> naah gonna just get this new CNC lathe going as soon as possible.
[18:47:57] <PetefromTn_> Can't freakin' wait
[18:48:17] <PetefromTn_> I spent the whole day cleaning up my shop today
[18:48:31] <jdh> I could spend a day or two doing that.
[18:48:37] <jdh> but, I biked all w/e
[18:48:38] <PetefromTn_> I went thru my drill index and spare drills and found the stuff I could not find for weeks now
[18:48:49] <Tom_itx> you'll feel bad now when you mess it up
[18:48:53] <fluffybitchx> lol
[18:48:55] <PetefromTn_> also organized a lot of my spare fasteners.
[18:48:57] <jdh> heh, I have a spot I put drills that I don't put back in the index
[18:49:02] <PetefromTn_> probably LOL
[18:49:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too and it started to have more drills than the index ;P
[18:49:56] <fluffybitchx> at my last place, I painted TOOLS in big letters on one shelf, for putting tools that needed to be properly reshelved.
[18:49:56] <PetefromTn_> I must say this little 1/4 inch 2 Flute fastenal endmill leaves a nice finish for a cheapass cutter..
[18:50:42] <fluffybitchx> I even did it all fancy, using four layers of paint, with printed-and-cut paper letters to mask... a red shelf with the letters in metallic silver.
[18:50:44] <Tom_itx> i try to replace the bad ones in the holder in an ongoing basis
[18:51:02] <fluffybitchx> and for about two days, I could see the writing! then I never saw it again, under the pile of unsorted tools. :P
[18:51:06] <Tom_itx> i have a short set and a full set... the short set is for everyday
[18:51:20] <Tom_itx> the good set is for 'projects'
[18:51:33] <fluffybitchx> I don't have a drill index. I have random piles of drills, including a 50cal ammo can about half full of them...
[18:51:42] <Tom_itx> and a box full that could end up as centerpunches
[18:52:02] <PetefromTn_> hehe center punches LOL
[18:52:19] <Tom_itx> i've made recess tools from some of them for the lathe
[18:52:28] <zeeshan|2> is the only difference between npn and pnp transistors
[18:52:32] <Tom_itx> whatever odd tool i may need...
[18:52:33] <zeeshan|2> the direction of current flow between e - c
[18:52:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I know I have ground a tons of custom cutters over the years
[18:53:40] * fluffybitchx hasn't, never having a good lathe
[18:53:53] <Tom_itx> ok i need to get after this drive inhibit logic..
[18:54:26] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Kick it's ass man
[18:54:39] <Tom_itx> it's working
[18:54:51] <Tom_itx> but i want one relay to fire before the other one
[18:54:59] <Tom_itx> so i need to add a delay to it
[18:55:15] <fluffybitchx> or use a timer relay.
[18:55:23] <Tom_itx> naw, hal can do it
[18:55:46] <PetefromTn_> hal's yer pal
[18:55:48] <fluffybitchx> ah, I thought you were running them off a single signal.
[18:55:51] <Tom_itx> i just need to fix my bit file, grab the direction signal from somewhere else and put a delay after it
[18:56:20] <Tom_itx> it would probably be fine as it is
[18:56:31] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: motion.spindle-forward
[18:56:34] <Tom_itx> but there's .3ms delay in the wrong order of the signals
[18:57:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 possibly but i need to detach the fwd/rev from the hostmot2 driver first
[18:57:20] <Tom_itx> and pick it up somewhere else
[18:58:20] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get some kinda buzzer or something that I can make linuxCNC alert me to when a program is finished or to remove drop or something,,,
[18:58:43] <PetefromTn_> it would make for a LOT more TV time...
[18:59:08] <fluffybitchx> make it run the cutter into something noisy and expensive?
[18:59:15] <Tom_itx> use an Mcode to fire a pin for it PetefromTn_
[18:59:33] <Tom_itx> pretty darn easy if you ask me
[18:59:50] <jdh> could flash a screen button also
[19:00:26] <Tom_itx> he wouldn't see it
[19:00:26] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7318/16475943395_9dd957d9f0_h.jpg
[19:00:31] <Tom_itx> he'd be too busy watching tv
[19:00:35] <zeeshan|2> can someone guess what that 8 pin ic is for
[19:01:13] <zeeshan|2> this is a power supply
[19:01:20] <mozmck> zeeshan|2: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_4/1.html
[19:01:28] <Tom_itx> maybe part of a smps supply?
[19:01:36] <zeeshan|2> mozmck: ive read a book regarding bjt
[19:01:46] <zeeshan|2> thats why im trying to ask here to ensure i understood it right
[19:01:59] <Tom_itx> there's no choke near it though
[19:02:02] <Tom_itx> so it's not that
[19:02:04] <fluffybitchx> ... do you seriously have ANOTHER board with ground off chips?
[19:02:09] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: ROFL
[19:02:15] <zeeshan|2> its the power supply of the drives
[19:02:24] <zeeshan|2> ive testedf most of the components so far
[19:02:28] <zeeshan|2> i know the mosfets are fried
[19:02:34] <zeeshan|2> everything else checks out
[19:02:37] <zeeshan|2> just not sure about this ic either
[19:02:55] <zeeshan|2> i think these chips are switching the mosfets
[19:03:04] <fluffybitchx> this is the shunt regulator?
[19:03:04] <Tom_itx> are those 5 regs splattered around it?
[19:03:42] <Tom_itx> or small mosfets...
[19:03:57] <fluffybitchx> could be opamp, comparator, a dedicated shunt regulator control ic,...
[19:04:06] <fluffybitchx> draw a schematic and see what would make sense
[19:05:00] <zeeshan|2> posting a better pic
[19:05:28] <zeeshan|2> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8683/16292181407_77c7aec609_h.jpg
[19:05:46] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7438/16476340241_eba45043f4_h.jpg
[19:05:55] <zeeshan|2> ive tested all the resistors, caps
[19:05:59] <zeeshan|2> bridge rectifier
[19:06:07] <zeeshan|2> the mosfets are bad
[19:06:09] <mozmck> zeeshan|2: well, the direction of current in the base is different too. Practically that means that you typically need a positive voltage on the base of a NPN to turn it on, and ground on the base of a PNP to turn it on.
[19:06:39] <fluffybitchx> I don't know what could have blown the shunt regulator unless you overvolted the supply or blew the bridge.
[19:06:47] <zeeshan|2> bridge is fine
[19:06:51] <zeeshan|2> its outputting 170vdc
[19:06:56] <zeeshan|2> almost
[19:07:29] <zeeshan|2> im not sure of those two black diodes
[19:07:31] <zeeshan|2> are okay too
[19:07:38] <zeeshan|2> if they are indeed diodes.
[19:08:34] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: all i did was plug in this supply to a known shorted drive
[19:08:35] <zeeshan|2> remember? :D
[19:08:40] <zeeshan|2> thats when it stopped outputting 170vdc
[19:09:39] <fluffybitchx> and, as I said, I don't know why that blew it... unless it was just miller capacitance or something stupid.
[19:09:48] <zeeshan|2> i just compared the be25a20ac vs be25a20 (no internal supply)
[19:10:02] <zeeshan|2> and oure right the ac version has a builtin shunt regulator circuit, bultin brake/shunt regulator
[19:10:07] <zeeshan|2> and internal brake/shunt resistor
[19:10:25] <zeeshan|2> i guess thats what that 50 ohm 50 watt resistor is
[19:10:38] <zeeshan|2> er 10ohm , 50w
[19:11:20] <fluffybitchx> yes
[19:11:39] <zeeshan|2> you know the spec sheet for the irfp250 mosfet
[19:11:51] <zeeshan|2> says V_dss = 200V
[19:12:04] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx you're probably right heh
[19:12:18] <zeeshan|2> (drain to source voltage)
[19:12:20] <fluffybitchx> not much of a margin for error, which is fitting with the rest of the drive.
[19:12:20] <zeeshan|2> so you're right.
[19:12:26] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely need some kinda LOUD buzzer so I can hear it over Star Trek LOL
[19:12:29] <zeeshan|2> a 240v overvoltage could have fried it
[19:12:46] <zeeshan|2> maybe that is actualy what happened?
[19:12:54] <zeeshan|2> and the only reason i didnt notice the mosfet frying
[19:12:59] <zeeshan|2> is because my cc fuse reacted quickly
[19:13:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 are those tiny ones mosfets?
[19:13:16] <zeeshan|2> but when i removed this supply and plugged it to the load without the fuse
[19:13:18] <Tom_itx> maybe that 8leg is an opto
[19:13:21] <zeeshan|2> it faked it
[19:13:28] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nahh
[19:13:32] <zeeshan|2> the big ass things are the mofsets
[19:13:39] <zeeshan|2> with the shiney surface
[19:14:19] <zeeshan|2> so lets hypothesize here
[19:14:26] <zeeshan|2> a small 240v transient overvoltage
[19:14:58] <zeeshan|2> passes through the mosfets, but doesnt completely burn them, but that overvoltage also means 240vac * 1.414 = 339 V dc
[19:15:00] <zeeshan|2> makes it to the direct
[19:15:03] <zeeshan|2> *drive
[19:15:10] <zeeshan|2> causes something to explode in there which causes a short circuit
[19:15:24] <zeeshan|2> the cc fuse quickly blows up preventing much more current from passing through the mosfet
[19:15:52] * zeeshan|2 shrugs
[19:16:43] <zeeshan|2> actually t hat doesnt make sense
[19:17:00] <zeeshan|2> cause wouldnt the feedback circuit switching the mosfets limit the voltage
[19:17:40] <PetefromTn_> I thought you already determined that the motor was bad?
[19:19:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/08/americas/brazil-prison-break-seduction/index.html Priceless
[19:24:30] <_methods> better call saul
[19:27:48] <fluffybitchx> ?
[19:28:08] <LeelooMinai> From breaking bad?
[19:31:11] <malcom2073> I wonder how much the knee on this mill weighs... wonder if my engine crane can lift it.
[19:31:34] <malcom2073> How much does one weigh on a bridgeport?
[19:31:34] * fluffybitchx has heard of breaking bad, but never watched it
[19:33:25] <zeeshan|2> haha nice
[19:34:46] <fluffybitchx> malcom2073: I doubt nearly as much as an engine.
[19:34:53] <fluffybitchx> how much does the entire mill weigh?
[19:35:01] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: 1.5 ton
[19:35:10] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: yours is prolly around 3000lb
[19:35:25] <zeeshan|2> a regular bridgeport j head
[19:35:27] <zeeshan|2> is round 2400lb
[19:35:34] <fluffybitchx> ok, and your engine crane is rated for... 2 tons?
[19:35:34] <malcom2073> Looking through the manual, maybe they list this stuff somewhere
[19:35:39] <tjb1> JT-Shop: jthornton
[19:35:48] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: from where to where are you trying t ogo
[19:35:49] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: At full extension, 500lbs
[19:35:57] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I'm trying to remove the knee
[19:35:58] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: it should be .5 ton
[19:35:59] <malcom2073> from the mill
[19:35:59] <fluffybitchx> do you need it at full extension?
[19:36:01] <zeeshan|2> thats 1000lb
[19:36:08] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: To get it high enough to remove the knee, I believe so
[19:36:42] <zeeshan|2> the knee prolly weighs 300lb
[19:36:50] <zeeshan|2> maybe 400
[19:37:00] <malcom2073> it's a bit bigger than a bridgeport knee, just eyeballing it
[19:37:55] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: You see the pictures of how I got it loaded?
[19:38:00] <zeeshan|2> no
[19:38:00] <zeeshan|2> link
[19:38:43] <malcom2073> Used this: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image001.jpg to do this: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image025.jpg
[19:39:00] <malcom2073> Wound up pulling the ram off before I loaded it on the trailer, used the crane to put both pieces on the trailer, worked so smooth
[19:39:16] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:39:19] <zeeshan|2> thats a mad max style truck
[19:39:19] <zeeshan|2> i love it
[19:39:23] <zeeshan|2> fuck i want one of those
[19:39:26] <zeeshan|2> that is SO BAD ASS
[19:39:30] <malcom2073> That thing is amazing,
[19:39:36] <zeeshan|2> id go off roading with it
[19:39:44] <malcom2073> Haha, it's soooo slow
[19:39:50] <malcom2073> And weighs 8 ton
[19:39:52] <malcom2073> just by itself
[19:39:53] <zeeshan|2> v8?
[19:40:00] <malcom2073> 4 cylinder, hydraulic drive system
[19:40:07] <zeeshan|2> needs a ls1
[19:40:10] <zeeshan|2> v8 power
[19:40:13] <malcom2073> Needs a couple v8's
[19:40:23] <zeeshan|2> i love the look of it dude
[19:40:49] <malcom2073> Me too, I asked him if he'd sell it, it's already spoken for :(
[19:41:08] <zeeshan|2> rotate your mill head out of the way obviously
[19:41:14] <fluffybitchx> I'm planning on putting a crane on my pickup, but I think it's only rated for 3600lbs or 3200lbs, don't remember which, with the boom in and up...
[19:41:16] <malcom2073> It doesn't rotate
[19:41:27] <zeeshan|2> put it to the 1 ton seting of your engine hoist
[19:41:29] <zeeshan|2> should come out
[19:41:33] <zeeshan|2> legs will go around the mill
[19:41:44] <malcom2073> You think it'll be tall enough at the 1 ton setting?
[19:41:48] <malcom2073> The ram is off of the mill atm
[19:41:51] <malcom2073> so I have tons of space
[19:41:51] <zeeshan|2> yea
[19:41:53] <zeeshan|2> keep the chain short
[19:41:58] <Tom_itx> is red or yellow a 'high' in hal show?
[19:42:05] <Tom_itx> red?
[19:42:07] <zeeshan|2> red is off
[19:42:11] <zeeshan|2> yellow is high
[19:42:14] <zeeshan|2> on
[19:42:20] <Tom_itx> it should be red and green!
[19:42:22] <fluffybitchx> ... who the hell thought that color scheme up? lol
[19:42:37] <zeeshan|2> some people are color blind
[19:42:40] * Tom_itx lightly smacks the developers
[19:42:43] <zeeshan|2> my buddy cant see between red or green
[19:42:48] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image027.jpg How it sits now, once I get the table off I'll have tons of room
[19:42:55] <malcom2073> table and that Y motor heh
[19:43:00] <zeeshan|2> he intreprets it from the position of the lights
[19:43:07] <Tom_itx> well i think this is gonna work good
[19:43:23] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: you should be able to slide that table off
[19:43:25] <fluffybitchx> red and yellow is just as indistinguishable as red and green.
[19:43:26] <zeeshan|2> do you have a rolling cabinet?
[19:43:29] <Tom_itx> need to synthesize a new bit file and polish up the code a bit...
[19:43:43] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Nah, was gonna use the crane with an engine leveler to let me slide the table smoothly off
[19:43:48] <zeeshan|2> ah
[19:43:53] <malcom2073> figured I'd bolt to the T slot heh
[19:44:02] <zeeshan|2> machine looks not bad at all dude
[19:44:06] <zeeshan|2> needs a bitch of scotbriting
[19:44:10] <zeeshan|2> most of that looks like surface rust
[19:44:16] <malcom2073> Yeah, I got a couple gallons of evap-o-rust on order,
[19:44:22] <malcom2073> it's ALL surface rust, except the *top* of the knee
[19:44:22] <fluffybitchx> I need some kind of busbar with .250 disconnects... my fuse holder has .250 tabs, and I'd like to do the same with the grounds... but can't find one.
[19:44:26] <malcom2073> like, the top of the knee ways
[19:44:35] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: .250 disconnects ?
[19:44:43] <zeeshan|2> link of fuse holder?
[19:45:02] <fluffybitchx> radio shack one that holds four glass fuses
[19:45:55] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: when you get to see this message, i wanted to ask your opinion on this. moving from l2 to l1 seems to have fixed things, but why did my vfd that was on l2 not blow up
[19:46:03] <fluffybitchx> I was going to use blade fuses, but they're only 32V, not 60V...
[19:46:22] <fluffybitchx> you've connected your motor and your z axis is working?
[19:46:26] <zeeshan|2> no
[19:46:35] <PetefromTn_> is that a series 2?
[19:46:42] <zeeshan|2> im just trying to get his opinion on why he doesnt thing the vfd didnt blow
[19:46:45] <zeeshan|2> *think
[19:47:01] <fluffybitchx> because the vfd isn't hooked up to a blown motor? :)
[19:47:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:47:09] <zeeshan|2> but the motor isn't bl own!
[19:47:26] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: http://cooper-bussmann.com/uploads/spec-pics/201304/cooper-bussmann-Compact-Modular-Fuse-Holders-comb-bus-bar.jpg
[19:47:30] <zeeshan|2> i use that
[19:47:33] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if you can make it work.
[19:47:36] * fluffybitchx has no idea what's blown
[19:47:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 he somewhat explained that yesterday...
[19:48:01] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i missed it i guess?
[19:48:03] <Tom_itx> the load dipping L2
[19:48:08] <Tom_itx> zlog
[19:48:13] <Tom_itx> 07
[19:48:46] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: yes, that's the fancy industrial bits way.
[19:49:09] <zeeshan|2> the pitch on that bus bar is .70" though
[19:49:09] <zeeshan|2> ;/
[19:49:26] <fluffybitchx> I got a $3 fuse holder.
[19:49:33] * fluffybitchx is not wealthy
[19:49:37] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: load dipping l2?
[19:49:45] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i got my shit from ebay
[19:49:53] <zeeshan|2> $15 for 20 cc fuse holders
[19:49:53] <Tom_itx> lemme see if i can find it
[19:49:54] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[19:50:03] <zeeshan|2> the fuses cost more!
[19:50:21] <norias> hmm
[19:50:29] <norias> radio shack filed for chapter 11
[19:50:38] <fluffybitchx> I probably should be using enclosed fuse holders... these are open ones more suitable for 12v stuff.
[19:50:48] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: ive seen enough open fuse holders
[19:50:50] <zeeshan|2> that are 600v
[19:50:51] <norias> i thought for sure with this whole "maker movement" that they were in the clear
[19:50:51] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:50:54] <Tom_itx> [22:27:03] <pcw_home> think of the big thump you get from multiple drives switching on on L1 charging their
[19:50:54] <Tom_itx> [22:27:04] <pcw_home> filter capacitors and pulling neutral down for 30ms or so when the contactor switches,
[19:50:54] <Tom_itx> [22:27:05] <pcw_home> nicely frying the drive on L2
[19:50:55] <zeeshan|2> look up class j fuse holders
[19:51:15] <malcom2073> Heh, manual doesn't say part weights
[19:51:32] <fluffybitchx> did you ever do that neutral resistance test?
[19:51:38] <zeeshan|2> no
[19:51:46] <zeeshan|2> whats a neutral resistance test
[19:51:48] <zeeshan|2> i might have done it
[19:52:00] <zeeshan|2> measuring neutral to ground from the connect of the drive?
[19:52:08] <zeeshan|2> ground = earth
[19:52:23] <Tom_itx> sky = lightening
[19:52:43] <PetefromTn_> makum big thunder hehe
[19:52:44] <fluffybitchx> connecting all the largest loads you have to L1, and measuring the voltage between N and GND. (or N and L2)
[19:52:50] <fluffybitchx> space heater, etc
[19:52:51] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: those sentence pcw wrote
[19:52:55] <zeeshan|2> dont register in my brain for some reason lol
[19:53:02] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:53:16] <Tom_itx> you were flustered
[19:53:47] <zeeshan|2> hes basically saying while the caps charge asap i switch on the l1 drives
[19:53:53] <fluffybitchx> I got a nice blade fuse holder that even has a busbar... but I don't know if using 32V fuses on 60V is a good idea. they don't have that long of an arc gap...
[19:54:02] <zeeshan|2> something happens to neutral
[19:54:09] <zeeshan|2> which fries the drive
[19:54:32] <fluffybitchx> I don't think that would happen with a non-defective neutral, which is why I suggested a neutral test.
[19:55:29] <zeeshan|2> i have measured continuity from neutral of the drive connector to earth bus bar in the enclosure
[19:56:00] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: have you seen what happens when you put 100v
[19:56:05] <zeeshan|2> on a 12v fuse
[19:56:38] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzIvgC09ji8
[19:56:39] <zeeshan|2> nm 250v
[19:56:40] <fluffybitchx> no, and by using properly rated fuses, I hope not to. :P
[19:57:12] <zeeshan|2> plasma baby!
[19:58:01] <Tom_itx> ok if i'm not using the direction pin does it matter if the motion.spindle-speed-out is positive or negative?
[19:58:17] <Tom_itx> i'm switching the direction pin manually
[19:58:53] <zeeshan|2> who knows :P
[19:59:02] <Tom_itx> i will eventually...
[19:59:08] <Crom_> Converted the nt65 to dip switch step setup
[19:59:24] <Tom_itx> i think i will leave it in it's natural state and pass it happily on it's way
[20:00:44] <Crom_> Screwed first time... Switched the clock line instead of M1
[20:02:29] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: seems like they managed to fail miserably at blowing things up.
[20:02:33] <Crom_> Now waiting for the limit swtches
[20:02:34] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:02:40] <zeeshan|2> they managed to blow up fuses though!
[20:04:21] <fluffybitchx> at least they didn't do the brianiac science abuse thing and stick explosives in it and pretend it was what actually happened.
[20:04:46] <Crom_> Hmmm fuses... Remind i need to go NAPA Autoparts and get some resetable fuses
[20:05:19] <fluffybitchx> I'm using 250V glass fuses... I'm sure that's 250VAC, but they're probably better than 32v blade fuses...
[20:05:50] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Good action shot if the guy I bought it from running the crane: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10904398_839988309398809_6502113110778006298_o.jpg
[20:06:10] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: The look on his face, is because the rear wheels of the crane had just come off the ground, and he pulled the mill closer to set back down :)
[20:06:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:07:12] <malcom2073> Fun fact: That guy is one of the first EMC2 guys
[20:07:56] <zeeshan|2> poor mill
[20:07:57] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a really fun nice machine for a retrofit. Good luck with it man
[20:07:59] <zeeshan|2> at least its found a good home
[20:07:59] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:08:16] <zeeshan|2> try not to buy amc drives
[20:08:17] <Crom_> Those are the nicest little cranes, nice deck you can then set the lift on the deck, strap it down and drive it where you need it
[20:08:18] <zeeshan|2> i need a stack of them
[20:08:21] <malcom2073> It ran EMC2 with a servo2go card years ago, the retrofit is going to be the easy part. Refurbing it, is not heh
[20:09:22] <fluffybitchx> http://www.networkintl.com/contents/auction/QFPIRA06CGKE/QFPIRA0AOB6F/!QFPIRA0AOBETimage019.jpg I have one of those sitting in the back of my truck needing to be installed.
[20:09:30] <fluffybitchx> it's a bit smaller of a crane. heh.
[20:09:42] <malcom2073> fluffybitchx: Nice, still looks pretty heavy duty
[20:09:51] <fluffybitchx> 3200lbs with the boom all the way in and up
[20:10:02] <zeeshan|2> what kinda truck
[20:10:18] <fluffybitchx> that's the slightly fancier model, mine doesn't have power boom extension. have to pull a pin, slide it, put pin in instead.
[20:10:21] <fluffybitchx> a jeep pickup
[20:10:44] <Crom_> Sheeshz heavy enough to need out rigger
[20:11:04] <fluffybitchx> 3200lb capacity, not crane weight. heh.
[20:11:20] <fluffybitchx> 1.5ton truck, so a good match...
[20:12:10] <Crom_> Build a box out of 8x12 tube and rig out riggers in the tube
[20:12:31] <fluffybitchx> ... it's not that big. heh.
[20:12:46] <fluffybitchx> it's meant to sit on the side of an 8ft service truck bed.
[20:12:52] <fluffybitchx> on top of the cabinets
[20:12:54] <Crom_> What the reach?
[20:13:15] <fluffybitchx> 12ft or so. I'd need to check the manual...
[20:13:23] <fluffybitchx> I've never used it.
[20:13:32] <fluffybitchx> need to build framework before I can install it.
[20:13:51] <cradek> malcom2073: is that matt shaver?
[20:13:57] <malcom2073> cradek: Yeah
[20:14:30] <Crom_> Still a tounge jack would work as an outrigger
[20:15:04] <fluffybitchx> I have a hilift on the truck. I figure I can stick it under the frame if I really do need lots of weight out to the side instead of the back.
[20:15:22] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: you didnt answer my q about neutral test! :P
[20:15:29] <fluffybitchx> it's a pretty heavy truck with very thick leaf packs, so I'm not too worried...
[20:15:34] <zeeshan|2> you really think a multimeter will pick that up
[20:15:48] <fluffybitchx> pick what up? I think your multimeter can measure volts, yes.
[20:16:21] <zeeshan|2> oh for some reason i thought it was a transient measurement
[20:16:35] <fluffybitchx> you want to load l1 and neutral with as much load as you can. space heaters are excellent. then measure neutral to ground, and neutral to l2.
[20:16:44] <Crom_> Most of my picks are 100' to 135' with a weight of 1500 to 3200#s
[20:17:03] <Crom_> Fiberglass pool shells
[20:17:25] <Crom_> Pin to middle of hole
[20:18:08] <fluffybitchx> yeah, that's just a tad bigger than the service bed crane in the back of my pickup truck. :P
[20:18:31] <Crom_> Had a 3800# at 160'. That was handled by 'The Crane Guys' in LA
[20:19:44] <Crom_> oops
[20:20:37] <Crom_> Residential street... Block it for 2 hours
[20:21:38] <Crom_> Most pools are set with s 40ton boom truck
[20:22:03] <fluffybitchx> I've only known one person with a pool, and it was poured concrete with a vinyl liner...
[20:22:20] <Crom_> Thats small enough to get in the driveway
[20:23:04] <Crom_> I'll put them in. I'll never have one myself
[20:23:10] <fluffybitchx> he sold that house. I don't currently know anyone with a pool, or here, know of anyone who has a private pool. I've never seen one...
[20:23:54] <Crom_> Viking pools are the best shells in the country
[20:24:05] <fluffybitchx> nowhere, in this county, have I ever seen a private pool. maybe one exists, but...
[20:24:18] <Crom_> Stayaway from aloha and san juan
[20:24:39] <fluffybitchx> what's wrong with poured concrete and tile or vinyl like normal people? lol
[20:25:14] <Crom_> Barrier reef and liesure are good shells
[20:25:40] <PetefromTn_> I love flying this Airhogs Quadcopter around the shop while the machine is running...;)
[20:25:49] <Crom_> 1/2 the cost over the life of the pool
[20:26:37] <fluffybitchx> based on randomly scrolling the google maps satellite image of the nearest city, I compute we have 0 pools.
[20:26:56] <Crom_> Fiberglass will flex and they are nonporus compared to plaster
[20:27:32] <fluffybitchx> ah-ha! I found ONE!
[20:27:58] <fluffybitchx> (I think)
[20:28:20] <Crom_> People here in the hills have a big pool and a trash pump for fire from fighting
[20:28:31] * fluffybitchx thinks crom wouldn't stay in business here
[20:28:56] <Crom_> So cal here
[20:28:57] <Crom_> ..
[20:29:20] <fluffybitchx> farnorcal here.
[20:29:29] <Crom_> I just hate the Hollywood hills pools
[20:29:58] <Crom_> Ummm isn't that called Jefferson?
[20:30:05] <fluffybitchx> ... I hate everything south of san jose or so. :P
[20:30:38] <fluffybitchx> no, it didn't pass. we're still stuck with you, sadly.
[20:30:44] <Crom_> Im from Richmond originally
[20:31:03] <Crom_> Its still Jefferson to me
[20:31:48] <fluffybitchx> I'm in the Eureka area, about an hour from oregon, and 6 hours north of san francisco.
[20:31:54] <Crom_> Graduated highschool morro bay
[20:32:16] <Crom_> Nice
[20:33:34] <Crom_> At least I'm in Temecula, mile and a half from sandiego county on I15
[20:33:48] <Crom_> Out of la proper
[20:34:00] <_methods> haha hour from oregon 6 hours from sanfran and 5 min from nowhere
[20:34:44] <Crom_> 5 minutes to the indian casino pachenga
[20:35:45] <fluffybitchx> no, not near a casino. heh.
[20:36:18] <Crom_> 2 sub division south
[20:37:09] <Crom_> Gotta grave behind the house and 300' away
[20:37:56] <Crom_> Wineries 15 minutes to the east
[20:42:58] <Crom_> Lots of illegals to tote and dig for cheap
[20:46:18] <Crom_> I still wanna get a excavator that'll fit through a 32" door
[20:46:54] <fluffybitchx> so you can drive it through people's houses?
[20:48:00] <Crom_> Yeppers
[20:48:32] <Crom_> This is the land of slab houses
[20:49:16] <fluffybitchx> this is the land of post and pier.
[20:49:57] <Crom_> Mod the boom to reach 11 ' at 35 degrees
[20:50:47] <Crom_> And side gates to drive a dump truck into a backyard
[20:51:20] <fluffybitchx> pools are so rare here, no one cares. heh.
[20:53:06] <Crom_> Woo wife got piggy loin numnums
[20:58:49] <Crom_> Almost home time to futz with picolcd
[21:02:05] <Crom_> Want get the buttons working eith linuxcnc for xyzovement and display coordinates
[21:06:52] <Tom_itx> how long does it take a typical relay to switch?
[21:07:03] <Tom_itx> 50ms? 100? more?
[21:10:14] <fluffybitchx> less
[21:10:35] <fluffybitchx> there's a wide range of typical, but if you wire them to oscillate, they'll go pretty fast...
[21:12:05] <fluffybitchx> 50ms would be a pretty slow or large relay, I think.
[21:12:16] <Tom_itx> i don't need them to oscillate just need the switching time
[21:12:42] <fluffybitchx> look up the spec sheet for a similar relay
[21:12:53] <fluffybitchx> I know fast ones can do a few ms...
[21:12:59] <Tom_itx> holy crap.. this actually works like i wanted it to !
[21:13:14] <Tom_itx> hal'd a delay relay...
[21:14:48] <Tom_itx> ok right now i have it set for a 6ms delay
[21:14:49] <PetefromTn_> SWEET!
[21:15:06] <Tom_itx> so the inhibit hits then 6ms later the fwd/rev relay trips
[21:15:24] <Tom_itx> i may give it a bit more than that
[21:17:14] <Connor> Tom_itx: What sort of relay you using?
[21:18:01] <Connor> Oh, and got my plumbing mostly done today.. Sill have a question.. I used 2" PVC for the whole thing.. most under sink drains use 1 1/2..
[21:18:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/logic1.jpg
[21:18:28] <Tom_itx> there's 11ms delay
[21:18:54] <fluffybitchx> that won't do at all. with 2" pipe, you might have a free-flowing drain that doesn't clog and make the rotorooter people money.
[21:18:59] <Tom_itx> and i think the inhibit pulse should be wide enough to trip the inhibit relay
[21:19:20] <Tom_itx> Connor i'm planning to use the 2 relays on the C6 board
[21:19:25] <Tom_itx> for fwd/rev
[21:19:32] <Tom_itx> i wired them to the same signal
[21:19:33] <jdh> Tom: real saleae?
[21:19:34] <Connor> Are they going to handle the current ?
[21:19:40] <Tom_itx> jdh of course!
[21:19:45] <jdh> cool
[21:19:48] <Tom_itx> Connor acording to sherline they will
[21:19:53] <Tom_itx> they say 6A is enough
[21:20:02] <Tom_itx> and i'm switching at near 0 current
[21:20:06] <Tom_itx> during inhibit
[21:20:12] <fluffybitchx> what're you switching, and what're the relays? heh
[21:20:26] <Tom_itx> switching spindle motor
[21:20:45] <Tom_itx> inhibit drive.. switch relays.. enable drive
[21:21:11] <Tom_itx> it's a fairly small motor
[21:21:21] <fluffybitchx> that should be fine, then... I always like to oversize relays, however.
[21:21:42] <fluffybitchx> I've seen a few of them form self-sustaining arcs during switching when the no and nc terminals are at opposite polarity
[21:21:55] <fluffybitchx> the sherline 90v dc one?
[21:21:55] <fluffybitchx> same as on my mill?
[21:22:03] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:22:18] <fluffybitchx> yeah, it's pretty small.
[21:22:25] <Tom_itx> that's why i'm inhibiting the drive during switching
[21:23:33] <fluffybitchx> I was only switching 14.4VDC once, but switched with the motor stalled, and it formed an arc between the no and nc contacts... which didn't stop until the relay was gone.
[21:23:35] <Tom_itx> now just waiting for my isolation board to come
[21:24:07] <Tom_itx> then i'll fine tune it
[21:24:12] <fluffybitchx> gone, as in, the contacts didn't exist anymore.
[21:24:37] <Tom_itx> i used to have some fairly large relays from an old elevator but i'm not sure where they are now
[21:24:51] <fluffybitchx> my sherline has manual spindle control... a knob. :)
[21:25:00] <Tom_itx> if i could find one i may see if it's workable
[21:25:09] <Tom_itx> fluffybitchx so does mine right now
[21:25:15] <Tom_itx> but that's about to change
[21:25:19] <fluffybitchx> the biggest relays I have are rated for 800A continous... at 12V.
[21:25:20] <Tom_itx> using the same control
[21:25:41] <fluffybitchx> diesel heavy equipment starter solenoids.
[21:26:22] <Tom_itx> pcw_home thanks for the abs suggestion...
[21:27:06] <Tom_itx> i didn't sent abs.0.out back to the pwm though, i sent the original value
[21:27:14] <Tom_itx> i wasn't sure if pos neg would matter to it
[21:27:53] <fluffybitchx> the relay that melted worked perfectly until the one time I tried switching it with the motor at locked-rotor. that was its last time. heh.
[21:28:16] <Tom_itx> well that's not good in any situation
[21:51:25] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: neutral bar to earth br
[21:51:26] <zeeshan|2> 0 V
[21:51:27] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[21:57:21] <fluffybitchx> under load?
[21:57:38] <fluffybitchx> why is it that I'm out of all the colors of wire I want to use, like red, and black, but I have plenty of things like purple, yellow,... bleh
[21:58:23] <XXCoder> "bleh" probably the reason. ;)
[21:59:25] <fluffybitchx> also I'm always out of the gauge I need.
[22:00:13] <zeeshan|2> i cant put it under load
[22:00:18] <zeeshan|2> it was never under load when it blew
[22:00:23] <zeeshan|2> everything is turned on :P
[22:00:29] <zeeshan|2> but not fully loaded .
[22:00:39] <zeeshan|2> purple yellow wire ist he best :D
[22:00:46] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2000-Lumen-CREE-XML-T6-LED-Black-Flashlight-Torch-Zoomable-5-Mode-Strobe-SOS-/400700768165?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item5d4ba07fa5
[22:00:49] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of picking this up
[22:00:50] <XXCoder> royal color
[22:01:02] <zeeshan|2> i wonder how many watt is consumes
[22:01:07] <XXCoder> 2000 lumen\
[22:01:13] <zeeshan|2> yea its bright as hell
[22:01:38] <XXCoder> probably drinks battery like it should be in BAA
[22:01:57] <XXCoder> (battery anomyous err forgot what last a is)
[22:02:06] <zeeshan|2> it says
[22:02:09] <zeeshan|2> 2.03 W consumption
[22:02:11] <zeeshan|2> for the led specs
[22:02:24] <XXCoder> 2w?
[22:02:30] <zeeshan|2> yea
[22:02:42] <XXCoder> dude my 1200 lumen bulbs use 12w each
[22:02:49] <XXCoder> no way in hell it can do that on 2w
[22:02:56] <zeeshan|2> http://www.led-tech.de/en/High-Power-LEDs-Cree/CREE-XM-Serie/CREE-XM-L-T6-Emitter-LT-1731_120_170.html
[22:03:31] <XXCoder> 975 lumen max, 3 mA max
[22:03:31] <zeeshan|2> 1x18650 or 3xaaa
[22:03:46] <XXCoder> er 3A
[22:04:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/aZAAAOxyHIlTXMu5/$_57.JPG
[22:04:11] <zeeshan|2> looks like it only uses 1 led.
[22:04:24] <XXCoder> overdriven maybe
[22:04:31] <XXCoder> can get away with if massive heat sink
[22:04:58] <XXCoder> maybe it means 2k lux
[22:05:04] <XXCoder> lux definitely is different unit
[22:07:42] <zeeshan|2> maybe
[22:07:52] <LeelooMinai> No, they mean 2000 lumens
[22:09:26] <LeelooMinai> Where 100watt incandescen light bulb would typically have, hmm, I think 1600 lumens or so
[22:09:44] <zeeshan|2> my cheapo flashlight is pissing me off
[22:09:52] <zeeshan|2> i just ordered this one
[22:09:54] <zeeshan|2> lets see how it works out
[22:10:47] <LeelooMinai> Those flashlights are cheap, but ok-ish, though most of the performance will really come from batteries one uses - really good ones will cost up to $30.
[22:11:11] <fluffybitchx> ok... am I too tired to work, or do I have some mis-labeled resistors? brown-green-yellow is 150K, right?
[22:11:14] <zeeshan|2> wonder where i can get 18650 batteries
[22:11:18] <zeeshan|2> locally
[22:11:20] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: <fluffybitchx> the test is useless unless you have a large load on one side of the line and not the other.
[22:11:20] <zeeshan|2> nefver seen them before
[22:11:32] <_methods> laptop batteries
[22:11:33] <fluffybitchx> you can't. they're too dangerous to sell retail.
[22:11:39] <_methods> full of them
[22:11:47] <zeeshan|2> sweet
[22:11:54] <LeelooMinai> The Chinese 18650 will probably die after 10 recharges - at leasts that's what people who tested them often say
[22:12:30] * zeeshan|2 will stick to aaa
[22:12:53] <fluffybitchx> for chinese 18650s, I've had good luck with the trustfire ones.
[22:12:55] <LeelooMinai> Most of those flashlights run on 18650 though
[22:13:09] <fluffybitchx> so, resistors... brown-green-yellow 150K, right?
[22:13:10] <XXCoder> 18650 rechargable lathium ion cells?
[22:13:16] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: yea
[22:13:20] <zeeshan|2> but i have a bunch of regular aaa
[22:13:27] <XXCoder> laptop batteries is best bet
[22:13:29] <fluffybitchx> I keep measuring 80K. I tried with two meters.
[22:13:32] <LeelooMinai> fluffybitchx: http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/resistorcalculator.php :)
[22:13:43] <XXCoder> get a dead one with its laptop, recharge (or attempt to)
[22:13:53] <XXCoder> then remove cells and yopu can use mulitmeter to find good cells
[22:14:01] <LeelooMinai> Seems like 150kΩ, yes
[22:14:10] <fluffybitchx> so...
[22:14:15] * fluffybitchx looks for a different resistor!
[22:14:53] * zeeshan|2 sends fluffybitchx 100, 10k, 100k, 1k
[22:15:04] <fluffybitchx> also, I might need some kind of inrush limiting on my power supply. now that I have a drive hooked up, it dims my lights to 2/3rds brightness for a couple seconds.
[22:15:12] <zeeshan|2> haha nice
[22:15:22] <XXCoder> heh I dont remember remember how to calculate reistance values on given circuit
[22:15:37] <XXCoder> dang
[22:15:39] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: i bet you'll remember
[22:15:42] <zeeshan|2> if you look at a circuit
[22:15:48] <XXCoder> been a decade
[22:16:00] <XXCoder> 2005 lol
[22:16:02] <fluffybitchx> barring a manufacturer defect, a dead laptop pack might well have one cell that's completely dead, which is why it stopped working... and the other ones are 95% dead.
[22:16:07] <fluffybitchx> it's not worth trying to salvage them.
[22:16:13] <LeelooMinai> XXCoder: If you had to disarm a bomb strapped to your chest, and had to read a resistor value, would you do it? :)
[22:16:36] <zeeshan|2> yea f that
[22:16:38] <zeeshan|2> this thing takes aaa
[22:16:40] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: what do you need 18650s for?
[22:16:43] <zeeshan|2> im not using some weirdo battery ive never heard of
[22:16:44] <XXCoder> yeah as soon as im alone and far from others because I'd be dead lol
[22:16:50] <XXCoder> *soon
[22:16:50] <zeeshan|2> well it says you can use 1x18650
[22:16:52] <zeeshan|2> or 3xaaa
[22:16:59] <zeeshan|2> i figured 1 battery would be nicer :p
[22:17:02] <LeelooMinai> 18650 is pretty standard
[22:17:03] <fluffybitchx> ... 18650s aren't weird. they're in most laptops, like others said.
[22:17:06] <XXCoder> its rechargable though
[22:17:11] <zeeshan|2> yea but you cant buy them from
[22:17:12] <XXCoder> lobng life too
[22:17:13] <fluffybitchx> most of my flashlights use 18650s.
[22:17:14] <zeeshan|2> say a regular store
[22:17:28] <LeelooMinai> You can, but they will be probably more expensive
[22:17:28] <zeeshan|2> thats what i mean by weirdo battery
[22:17:29] <zeeshan|2> :)
[22:17:37] <XXCoder> nah free
[22:17:37] <fluffybitchx> I have an 18650 in my pocket right now, in fact. (no, I'm not happy to see you)
[22:17:37] <_methods> you can buy them all day long on ebay
[22:17:41] <_methods> with a charger
[22:17:43] <XXCoder> just find dead laptop battery
[22:17:49] <Rab> I have one on my bike.
[22:17:49] <fluffybitchx> don't buy the ebay ones. really. really.
[22:18:05] <fluffybitchx> unless you buy a name-brand one from a local seller
[22:18:06] <_methods> i'm just saying you can buy them
[22:18:07] <zeeshan|2> homedepot, canadiantire, princess auto, dont seem to sell em
[22:18:08] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:18:18] <Rab> And Fry's sells them. But I don't know of another brick-and-mortar chain that does.
[22:18:22] <fluffybitchx> specifically, do not buy ultrafire on ebay. a few of them may be real (as real as ultrafire ever is), but most of them are fake.
[22:18:25] <XXCoder> try local old computer scrap place
[22:18:41] <_methods> yeah i just rape old laptop batteries
[22:18:41] <XXCoder> ask if they has just battery with no laptop
[22:18:44] <_methods> they're all over
[22:18:57] <XXCoder> poor cells
[22:18:59] <fluffybitchx> if you want chinese 18650s, dealextreme sells "genuine" trustfires, and I've had excellent luck with them. only one dead so far, and I've bought a dozen or so.
[22:19:13] <fluffybitchx> old laptops aren't going to have protected cells. you want protected cells.
[22:19:55] <XXCoder> protected cells. new to me
[22:20:21] <_methods> keeps them from blowin up
[22:20:26] <zeeshan|2> shit even walmart doesnt have em
[22:20:26] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:20:42] <XXCoder> shit walmart has everything. this battery must not exist LOL
[22:21:26] <fluffybitchx> http://www.dx.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-3000mah-rechargeable-li-ion-batteries-pair-120476#.VNgw7-KCNxA a slightly newer version than I have, but seems to be getting the same good ratings.
[22:21:58] <zeeshan|2> http://www.onlybatteries.com/showitem.asp?ItemID=19311.11&cat1=&uid=
[22:22:18] <XXCoder> 16 bucks
[22:22:20] <zeeshan|2> shipped from quebec
[22:22:23] <XXCoder> I'd go old laptop battery
[22:22:27] <zeeshan|2> no
[22:22:36] <zeeshan|2> i wants protected battery
[22:22:42] <zeeshan|2> im the kind of blowing shit up
[22:22:43] <fluffybitchx> eh? the one I pasted is $10.17
[22:22:51] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: i aint waiting for china to get to me
[22:22:59] <XXCoder> fluffy I was talling about zee's link
[22:23:13] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: they ship from the US. they might have a UK warehouse too, don't remember.
[22:23:19] <zeeshan|2> fluffybitchx: wtf mate
[22:23:20] <zeeshan|2> im in canada
[22:23:27] <zeeshan|2> how dare you say uk
[22:23:39] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4000-Lumens-XML-CREE-XM-L-3x-T6-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Hoster-/111004847721?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d8678e69
[22:23:45] <fluffybitchx> my experience shipping to canada is shipping from overseas might be faster. :P
[22:23:55] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:24:02] <zeeshan|2> thats nice XXCoder
[22:24:14] <zeeshan|2> okay i gotta do the three S's
[22:24:15] <XXCoder> fluffybitchx: that was my experence too. my packages to canada always arrive before canada store orders to friend of mine
[22:24:16] <zeeshan|2> its getting late
[22:24:19] <zeeshan|2> gnite all :D
[22:24:21] <fluffybitchx> that panasonic battery is NOT what you want. you don't want a flat-end cell (they don't make contact in half the lights out there), and you do want a protected cell, which that isn't.
[22:24:26] <XXCoder> by days each time
[22:24:41] <fluffybitchx> that said, the panasonic cell is an excellent cell - I have four of them. but I got protected, button-topped ones.
[22:25:03] <fluffybitchx> that's what's in my pocket right now, in fact.
[22:25:10] <zeeshan|2> why do you have batteries in your pocket
[22:25:52] <fluffybitchx> actualy, no, I have the newer 3400mah one. my bad.
[22:25:59] <fluffybitchx> because I have a flashlight in my pocket.
[22:26:19] <fluffybitchx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370925377492 are the ones I have four of. they work excellently.
[22:26:25] <zeeshan|2> o
[22:26:28] <zeeshan|2> fleshlight
[22:26:31] <zeeshan|2> or flashlight
[22:26:39] <zeeshan|2> oo those look nice
[22:26:39] <XXCoder> $12 each
[22:26:44] <XXCoder> not too bad
[22:26:55] <XXCoder> shipped from salty lake
[22:27:25] <fluffybitchx> flashlight. I have no need for a fleshlight. heh.
[22:27:37] <postaL> nothing wrong w/ a fleshlight
[22:27:37] <postaL> :x
[22:27:38] <fluffybitchx> yeah, they're the best deal I could find on genuine panasonics.
[22:27:54] <fluffybitchx> postaL: my toys are of the insertive variety...
[22:27:55] <zeeshan|2> do they recharge a shitload of times?
[22:27:57] <fluffybitchx> yes
[22:28:00] <XXCoder> useless to half of human species, postaL 1
[22:28:10] <postaL> :))
[22:28:24] <fluffybitchx> I have a lot of toys, but no fleshlight. :P
[22:28:30] <postaL> wifey bought me a fleshlight
[22:28:33] <postaL> it's an interesting one
[22:28:44] <fluffybitchx> lol
[22:28:51] <XXCoder> wife bought you one?
[22:28:56] <XXCoder> bit odd
[22:29:02] <postaL> yeah
[22:29:04] <postaL> not really
[22:29:04] <postaL> well
[22:29:10] <postaL> i guess to "normal" people it might be
[22:29:12] <fluffybitchx> did you buy her a toy in return? if not, I highly suggest the njoy pure wand. it rocks, and it's beautiful.
[22:29:22] <postaL> but we aren't your typical christian marriage
[22:29:29] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[22:29:32] <postaL> fluffybitchx: our toy chest is huge
[22:29:42] <fluffybitchx> but does it have an njoy pure wand? :P
[22:29:49] <XXCoder> I am big beliver in consent is only requiremwnt
[22:30:03] <postaL> googles njoy pure wand
[22:30:53] <postaL> those plugs looks nice
[22:30:55] <fluffybitchx> 1.5lbs of mirror-polished stainless steel
[22:31:16] <postaL> we have a hook that's built like these
[22:31:32] <postaL> lil over a lb
[22:31:44] <fluffybitchx> a hook... interesting. lol
[22:32:07] <XXCoder> hooked on hooks :P
[22:32:30] <postaL> :)
[22:32:39] <fluffybitchx> any e-stim toys yet?
[22:32:46] <postaL> oh ya
[22:33:04] * fluffybitchx needs more, but they're expensive
[22:33:06] <postaL> we have a eurostek
[22:33:24] <fluffybitchx> you have more money than I do, methinks.
[22:33:36] <XXCoder> or good shop
[22:33:44] <postaL> it was expensive
[22:33:45] <postaL> :x
[22:33:47] <postaL> but it's fun
[22:33:59] <fluffybitchx> I want to get a wetforher four... no immediate use for it (single right now), but it looks rather fun... I have a feeldoe and share, so even if I weren't single, it'd still be optional...
[22:34:01] <postaL> http://shop.erostek.com/products/ET312B-Power-Unit.html
[22:34:15] <postaL> are you on fetlife?
[22:34:29] <fluffybitchx> no
[22:35:18] <postaL> do you know what it is?
[22:35:26] <postaL> or are you just kinky in the bedroom?
[22:35:59] <fluffybitchx> I'm not into bdsm at all.
[22:36:09] <postaL> gotcha.
[22:36:53] <postaL> oh the things you talk about in linuxcnc
[22:37:21] <fluffybitchx> if we talk about them enough, we can make LeelooMinai leave. :P
[22:38:17] <fluffybitchx> grrr. I know I have 180K resistors, but I can't find any. this probably means I already pulled them out last time I was working on the drives, and lost them.
[22:38:35] <XXCoder> use umm series total to near 180k?
[22:39:56] <fluffybitchx> too much work
[22:39:59] * fluffybitchx uses 150k
[22:49:54] <XXCoder> lol http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sex-toys-that-were-clearly-designed-by-serial-killers/
[22:49:59] <XXCoder> considering recent topic
[22:54:35] <postaL> dildo maker
[22:54:35] <postaL> ha
[22:54:55] <XXCoder> that ones apparently only concept but jeez
[22:55:13] <fluffybitchx> ok! I think I have enough wires hooked up that I can get the laptop out and try making a motor move.
[22:59:44] <fluffybitchx> yay! motor turning!
[22:59:49] <fluffybitchx> it hasn't done that in way too long.
[22:59:54] <XXCoder> nice
[23:02:42] <fluffybitchx> ... and stopped turning. driver now goes into fault mode.
[23:04:22] <XXCoder> not so nice
[23:07:30] <fluffybitchx> if I power cycle the driver to reset it, it'll work for about ten seconds at low speed before going into fault. at high speed the motor buzzes loudly then it goes into fault quickly.
[23:07:48] <XXCoder> wonder wjats happening
[23:08:52] <fluffybitchx> either drive or motor is bad...
[23:09:07] <XXCoder> or too low resistance?
[23:09:08] <fluffybitchx> I have a spare of each to test with, but they're in storage, so not happening tonight. almost bedtime.
[23:09:38] <fluffybitchx> I tested the same-model drive with the same-model motor last time I got things together enough to test, with no problems at all. got rather impressive (although fake, since unloaded) rapids out of it too.
[23:11:13] <fluffybitchx> I think the motors are 2.3mH and the drive rated down to 0.5mH
[23:16:22] <fluffybitchx> zeeshan|2: I'm going to make you troubleshoot this one. :P
[23:19:58] <fluffybitchx> I guess tomorrow I'll swap motors and drives around and see what happens.
[23:21:26] <MacGalempsy__> back to where I left off a year ago! lol
[23:22:06] <fluffybitchx> ?
[23:22:28] <MacGalempsy__> movement on 3 axii
[23:22:43] <MacGalempsy__> but thats it...
[23:23:04] <MacGalempsy__> guess it would be good to go ahead and update to the new linuxcnc
[23:23:28] <fluffybitchx> movement on 3 axises sounds pretty close to working to me.
[23:24:18] <MacGalempsy__> there are a lot of auxillary stuff
[23:24:23] <XXCoder> not if really bad precision
[23:24:49] <MacGalempsy__> like pumps, dials, lights, automatic tool changer
[23:26:47] <MacGalempsy__> last time the wizard didnt have the stuff for one of the cards. hopefully the new version will have move stuff
[23:33:24] <fluffybitchx> set the current limit down from 9A to 5A, stays out of fault mode now.
[23:34:06] <fluffybitchx> with a 2:1 belt reduction and 10tpi leadscrews, I get 2.8IPS before it loses steps. well, imaginarily at least, since the motor is just sitting on a box under my workbench. heh.
[23:34:35] * fluffybitchx does some math
[23:34:57] <skunksleep> Wizard?
[23:35:27] <fluffybitchx> 3360rpm? not great, but that's steppers for you.
[23:37:33] <fluffybitchx> I'll probably be happy with 1IPS when it's all together... 10tpi leadscrews aren't how you get high-speed machining out of steppers...
[23:44:30] <fluffybitchx> running the motor back and forth at full speed is making it nice and warm. the driver, interestingly, is ICE COLD. I was worried I'd need to heatsink it, but I'm now thinking just screwing it to the box with some heatsink compound will be plenty.
[23:44:49] <fluffybitchx> and now time for bed. bbl.
[23:45:30] <fluffybitchx> it's really barely noticable as being above ambient, despite using the axis test to thrash the motor back and forth at full speed.