#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-02-01

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[00:00:28] <PetefromTn_andro> So I try to stick with machining strategies that I know work and don't mess with the fancy Shit
[00:00:40] <Tom_itx> we'd test run the first article and prove the program but after that they would run
[00:00:40] <bobo_> XXCoder sounds as if you are fitting into their plan-------hang in there
[00:00:59] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_andro: LOL yeah sometimes there's bad programs! I remember one that cut right at bottom edge of sheet material
[00:01:04] <XXCoder> so it is not clampable
[00:01:17] <PetefromTn_andro> I can spend time with my own parts more and experiment on my machine on my time
[00:01:36] <XXCoder> so I had to alter program to make it hop over clamps AND stop before it cut part perperity so I can adjust clamps so it dont cut em
[00:01:53] <XXCoder> it was ugly hack so job can move on. they should have fixed it by now
[00:02:11] <XXCoder> bobo_: thanks
[00:02:34] <PetefromTn_andro> That's the bitch about job shop work it is almost always the first part heh
[00:02:38] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_andro: yea i know what you mean
[00:03:04] <zeeshan|2> ive never worked in a job shop before
[00:03:16] <XXCoder> lol yeah. I remember one I almost failed to complete job because sheet was so flexable it went up high enough for bit to tag it while it moved to second part
[00:03:17] <zeeshan|2> just producing same crap over and over
[00:03:17] <Tom_itx> that's why they require real machinists
[00:03:20] <XXCoder> it destroyed part
[00:03:29] <zeeshan|2> so they care more about less errors
[00:03:31] <zeeshan|2> so you can take your time
[00:03:39] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: heh theres always bigass jobs
[00:03:47] <PetefromTn_andro> I am still not all that confident and sometimes I get nervous especially when the material is expensive and they want it yesterday
[00:03:56] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_andro: scrap it
[00:03:57] <XXCoder> I had to make 500 parts, I finisged bit over half of it then night shift finished it
[00:03:57] <zeeshan|2> take it home
[00:03:59] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[00:04:15] <bobo_> jo shop is like short order cook -----waffle house
[00:04:21] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: i gues i should define big
[00:04:27] <zeeshan|2> 1 million parts
[00:04:42] <XXCoder> lol yeah largest one I ever made was bit over thousand
[00:04:59] <zeeshan|2> basically when you see SPC quality control
[00:05:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah Like a precision short order cook heh
[00:05:25] <XXCoder> longest and mind breaking job I ever did was one part = almost 20 min runtime AND there was 320 parts
[00:05:42] <PetefromTn_andro> I broke some taps and scrapped a few parts along the way but not too bad.
[00:05:45] <XXCoder> tooling hardening a tiny steel part
[00:05:56] <Tom_itx> those automatic lathes i ran would put out 5-6k a shift
[00:06:01] <Tom_itx> or more
[00:06:07] <XXCoder> it auto-loads?
[00:06:10] <zeeshan|2> poor machines
[00:06:12] <zeeshan|2> so much abuse! :()
[00:06:12] <XXCoder> well besides whole rods
[00:06:15] <Tom_itx> depending on the material and part
[00:06:25] <Tom_itx> 20' rods
[00:06:29] <Tom_itx> x 6 or 8
[00:06:31] <PetefromTn_andro> Swiss lathes
[00:06:57] <XXCoder> man I wish I knew whats wrong with me, I can work at work but at home im fuking lazyass
[00:06:57] <zeeshan|2> to be honest with you
[00:07:01] <zeeshan|2> i hate repetitive crap :(
[00:07:18] <Tom_itx> life is kinda that way
[00:07:19] <XXCoder> cncs tend to be zee
[00:07:27] <PetefromTn_andro> I like short run repetitive crap
[00:07:29] <XXCoder> unless you do thousands few-off parts
[00:07:36] <XXCoder> pete me too
[00:07:39] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_andro: yea, thats why i think a job shop would be cool
[00:07:56] <zeeshan|2> when you walk into a place making ford parts
[00:08:01] <PetefromTn_andro> Where you are making a good bit of cash for each part
[00:08:03] <zeeshan|2> their grandma was making that same part
[00:08:05] <zeeshan|2> too!
[00:08:10] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:09:15] <PetefromTn_andro> I would love to get some 500-600 parts runs jobs in here right now that pay good for each part and have orders coming in on a regular basis
[00:09:36] <XXCoder> heh place I work at is crazy
[00:09:45] <XXCoder> there can be anywhere from 1-2 parts to 500
[00:09:51] <XXCoder> rarely over 1,000
[00:10:03] <Tom_itx> when my bud was doing work for experimental, we'd make 6 parts of everything and that was it
[00:10:06] <PetefromTn_andro> But I would also like a night out with Angelina Jolie and that's not Gonna happen either hehe
[00:10:06] <Tom_itx> all for test
[00:11:07] <PetefromTn_andro> Shit I can dream right...
[00:11:18] <XXCoder> go for it indeed
[00:11:47] <bobo_> Zeeshan go watch the cook at a Waffle House restruant some Friday night . it's somewhat like a job shop
[00:12:16] <PetefromTn_andro> I am really hoping that the part we are designing for the race shop guys works out and they sell a shitload of them that would be amazing
[00:12:43] <XXCoder> good luck :)
[00:13:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah crossing fingers and toes
[00:14:00] <PetefromTn_andro> I gotta get the sheet metal spraying going on the cnc lathe here soon.
[00:14:42] <bobo_> Pete as men get older they tend to talk in their sleep Angelina Jolie--right big boy -talk it up
[00:15:16] <PetefromTn_andro> Still waiting on some tax preparation doccuments to get here so I can file. Hopefully I get a nice return and I can order the rest of the parts for the lathe
[00:16:03] <PetefromTn_andro> Hello I am just 43 man gimme a break. Besides I can dream all I want
[00:16:47] <PetefromTn_andro> And you have never met me lemme tell ya brad pit is not NEARLY AS HANDSOME AS I AM LOL
[00:18:18] <PetefromTn_andro> If you believe that I have a little bridge I wanna sell you.
[00:20:53] <bobo_> a " Y " bridge ?
[00:22:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Golden gate
[00:22:49] <bobo_> sold
[00:23:05] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/
[00:23:07] <XXCoder> damn
[00:23:42] <PetefromTn_andro> Wtf who cares about the Damn exploding kittens
[00:24:19] <PetefromTn_andro> I need to make a kickstarter for my shop hehe
[00:24:19] <XXCoder> just amazed how far it went lol
[00:24:46] <XXCoder> if one of say $300 tiers is to make router table hardware, I'd support it lol
[00:24:53] <XXCoder> small one
[00:25:46] <PetefromTn_andro> Everyone and their brothers uncle is making cnc tables now
[00:26:13] <XXCoder> not that cheaply lol
[00:26:29] <PetefromTn_andro> And the Chinese are undercutting the craps out of it
[00:27:23] <bobo_> Pete zeeshan thought this was interesting , the mill is a deckel fp1000 ,i think http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/machine-reconditioning-scraping-inspection/when-grinding-spindle-taper-how-do-you-inspect-298154/
[00:27:28] <PetefromTn_andro> It's not that easy to come up with something truly unique anymore but people do it every day
[00:32:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:32:08] <XXCoder> I gonna work on mine
[00:38:06] <PetefromTn_andro> Well goodnight folks.
[00:38:17] <XXCoder> night
[00:38:25] <bobo_> good nite
[00:38:38] <PetefromTn_andro> :D
[02:28:21] <Deejay> moin
[02:50:56] <CaptHindsight> bobo_: it's only fair
[03:26:22] <CaptHindsight> shoot, moin already
[03:35:38] <skunkworks> only barely...
[07:07:44] <RyanS> hmm i wonder, purchase a solid old lathe for wrecking, as a base for a cnc lathe....feasible ?
[07:18:42] <jthornton> /j #reprap
[08:19:17] <jthornton> tjb1, you around?
[08:28:16] <_methods> Tom_itx: you have an x2 converted right?
[10:30:00] <Tom_itx> _methods x2 what?
[10:30:05] <Tom_itx> mine is a sherline
[10:30:07] <_methods> x2 mini mill
[10:30:09] <_methods> ahh
[10:30:47] <_methods> was just wondering if it was worth it to put angular contact bearings in to replace the thrust bearings on the x axis on the x2's
[10:31:06] <_methods> but they're cheap on ebay so i'll just drop in angular contacts
[10:32:03] <Tom_itx> i wish i could make the axis' more rigid
[10:32:32] <_methods> yeah that's why i wasn't sure if it was even worth droppin in angulars
[10:32:44] <_methods> but i'm going to anyways
[10:34:02] <PetefromTn_> angulars FTW
[10:34:34] <_methods> yeah i'm used to real bearing prices
[10:34:45] <_methods> i wasn't going to drop in $800 bearings in my POS mill
[10:34:58] <_methods> but i can get good enough for like $20 on ebay
[10:35:11] <_methods> and it will be better than the chinese thrust bearings that come with it
[10:35:22] <PetefromTn_> I just bought some for my CNC lathe retrofit that are 46mm OD and they were pretty damn cheap prices on ebay
[10:35:35] <_methods> yeah
[10:35:43] <_methods> i've never priced real bearings on ebay
[10:35:49] <_methods> but i'm finding some damn good deals
[10:36:51] <_methods> hoping to get lucky and find a matched pair for dirt cheap
[10:37:13] <PetefromTn_> for the relatively low RPM and load you will be seeing even a POS chinese angular contact bearing will be more than adequate
[10:37:19] <_methods> yeah
[10:37:34] <_methods> no i want some abec9's in there lol
[10:38:04] <PetefromTn_> Knock yerself out man heh
[10:38:23] <_methods> heheh
[10:38:25] <_methods> nm
[10:38:30] <_methods> chinese bearings it si
[10:38:43] <_methods> $16
[10:45:53] <PetefromTn_> man I need to get some lat long in Florida I am over this freakin' cold and it has not even been that cold yet LOL....
[10:46:21] <JT-Shop> well crap onecnc won't open a 2015 SW file
[10:46:53] <_methods> stl, iges?
[10:46:53] <PetefromTn_> I guess they change the filetype AGAIN?
[10:46:55] <_methods> stp?
[10:47:12] <JT-Shop> SolidWorks part file
[10:47:27] <JT-Shop> I guess they did, onecnc said read error
[10:47:47] <_methods> well no i was saying did you try importing one of those other types
[10:48:00] <_methods> unfortunately you shouldn't have to
[10:48:13] <_methods> since it says on their site it works with solidworks
[10:48:14] <JT-Shop> had to save it as a parasolid then open it up in 2014
[10:48:44] <_methods> that sux
[10:49:00] <JT-Shop> yea, I won't use 2015 now
[10:49:29] <_methods> how much is onecnc
[10:49:51] <JT-Shop> I don't remember, I've had it for a few years now
[10:50:14] <JT-Shop> I have version 21.39
[10:50:46] <_methods> you like it better than mastercam?
[10:51:21] <JT-Shop> I like it better than bobcrap
[10:51:32] <_methods> hahah
[10:51:53] <_methods> i don't think ive ever met anyone that liked bobcad
[10:52:50] <_methods> hmm managed to pick up 2 nachi angulars for $38
[10:53:07] <_methods> not a matched pair but beggars can't be choosers
[11:00:05] <XXCoder> onecnc has no price on site. it means I can't afford it.
[11:02:11] <humble_s3a_bass> bobcad is a nonstop punch to the face
[11:02:17] <PetefromTn_> that's okay you don't have a CNC machine to run it on anyways hehe
[11:02:28] <XXCoder> lol
[11:02:29] <humble_s3a_bass> it is windows 3.1 of cam software
[11:02:35] <_methods> wow bobcad must be horrible
[11:02:41] <_methods> i'm glad i've never had to use it
[11:02:43] <JT-Shop> no, it's worse
[11:02:45] <PetefromTn_> Its funny I hear comments like that a lot
[11:02:58] <XXCoder> is it bad that first non-pdf result I found on bobcad is keygen? lol
[11:03:02] <PetefromTn_> but I have a couple local shops that use it daily and like it
[11:03:21] <_methods> i've never had anyone defend bobcad
[11:03:23] <humble_s3a_bass> bobcad forces the borders of the window to be plastic shiny blue, so when you're done using it your eyes hurt too
[11:03:51] <XXCoder> $495
[11:04:12] <XXCoder> thats for express. rest isnt price therefore I cant afford
[11:04:34] <PetefromTn_> one guy has a small shop that he runs by himself and he has two CNC's. he said it may not be the best out there but for the price he is very pleased with it. makes his living with it.
[11:04:38] <humble_sea_bass> look into rhinocam, i think they have hobby pricing
[11:05:15] <_methods> as much as i find fusion360 annoying the cnc part is pretty damn impressive
[11:05:21] <humble_sea_bass> i used to have a table saw that took a guys finger off
[11:05:24] <_methods> and it's free for startups and hobbyists
[11:05:28] <humble_sea_bass> and kicked like a mule
[11:05:38] <humble_sea_bass> i l;iked it because I made my living with it too
[11:05:44] <_methods> hahah
[11:05:55] <PetefromTn_> gee thats so funny man
[11:06:06] <PetefromTn_> did ya think of that all by yourself?
[11:06:23] <humble_sea_bass> true story pete
[11:06:57] <_methods> i've never used it so i have no idea
[11:06:58] <PetefromTn_> I am just saying that just because some people say it sucks does not necessarily mean it is true. I am just relaying what factually others have told me about their experiences with it.
[11:07:02] <_methods> but i do hear many bobcad horror stories
[11:07:04] <humble_sea_bass> we gloss over deficiencies when it gits er done and pays the bills
[11:07:38] <PetefromTn_> some people do not have the funds for mastercam or others and yeah it works for them and pays the bills
[11:07:42] <humble_sea_bass> i think we should all be saying "there is better"
[11:07:54] <PetefromTn_> OF COURSE there is better
[11:08:00] <humble_sea_bass> agreed
[11:08:05] <PetefromTn_> but better typically costs WAY more money
[11:08:13] <_methods> tru dat
[11:08:14] <humble_sea_bass> agreed
[11:09:19] <humble_sea_bass> i mean, these are all opinions on irc of all places
[11:09:29] <XXCoder> http://mecsoft.com/freemill/
[11:09:31] <humble_sea_bass> so if it works
[11:09:40] <XXCoder> needs visualcad though
[11:10:10] <XXCoder> oh thats free too
[11:25:16] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: howdy
[11:28:25] <CaptHindsight> Blizzard here today
[11:28:52] <CaptHindsight> 12 to 16 inches
[11:30:21] <Tom_itx> yeah, the wind about knocked me off the back step this am
[11:30:36] <PetefromTn_> jeez that sounds like TONS of fun...
[11:31:35] <CaptHindsight> yeah in the city, out here it's kind of nice
[11:36:54] <tjb1> JT-Shop: ?
[11:38:08] <humble_sea_bass> yo cap.
[11:46:27] <anonimasu> pcw_home: back into buisness with the plasma.. about a jog encoder, can I run a 9v encoder straight into the 7i47?
[11:47:33] <pcw_home> 9V... thats rather odd, what are the high/low signal levels?
[11:48:21] <anonimasu> a htl encoder
[11:49:03] <anonimasu> 0http://www.whp.cz/files/ds_msi301_eng.pdf
[11:49:27] <anonimasu> err 9-2v is the high signal level
[11:49:43] <anonimasu> 7v and low is < 1.15v
[11:51:06] <anonimasu> _methods: I'd defend bobcad.. it woks for me. for the price.
[11:51:19] <pcw_home> ( OK with 10ma load so probably close to 9V and 0V no load)
[11:51:20] <_methods> WELL RIGHT ON
[11:51:23] <_methods> oops
[11:51:24] <_methods> hehe
[11:51:42] <_methods> glad to hear someone defend it
[11:51:52] <anonimasu> defenetively I am upgrading when I have funds, but Id' rather buy a better lathe for that cash :D
[11:52:09] <anonimasu> edgecam.. but 10k eur.. -_-
[11:52:28] <_methods> i've heard good stuff about esprit
[11:52:34] <_methods> supposedly pretty cheap too
[11:52:38] <anonimasu> cheap?!
[11:52:42] <anonimasu> like how cheap
[11:52:52] <_methods> no idea
[11:53:01] <_methods> i've never asked for a quote
[11:53:22] <_methods> some cnc manufacturers used to give it out with machines though
[11:53:48] <anonimasu> I think it's up at the same with mastercam and solidedge..
[11:53:59] <anonimasu> err edgecam..
[11:54:14] <pcw_home> so to use a 9V SE signal on a a 7I47, disable termination, and connect RXN- to +5V and RXN+ to your encoder output
[11:54:52] <anonimasu> brb, testing!
[11:54:53] <anonimasu> :)
[11:55:22] <pcw_home> (5v is close enough to 1/2 way up for good noise immunity)
[12:05:11] <dirty_d> I have an add on pci parallel port card, lspci -vv shows http://pastebin.com/5hVuJLKn
[12:05:22] <dirty_d> the address i should use in stepconf is 0x1030?
[12:05:56] <dirty_d> also dmesg shows "lp: driver loaded but no devices found"
[12:06:02] <pcw_home> I would use 0 or 1
[12:06:40] <dirty_d> is this what i need to do? http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/manual3/modules.html
[12:08:11] <pcw_home> try o or 1
[12:08:28] <pcw_home> 0 or 1 (first or second parallel port)
[12:08:42] <dirty_d> the card only has one parallel port
[12:09:01] <pcw_home> is there one on the MB?
[12:09:11] <PetefromTn_> LMAO I just saw an ad posted to a used machine tools forum where a guy posted a picture of a couple starrett micrometers and a depth mic etc.. The caption read....For sale some used C clamps and thingamabobs.....LMAO Had to be a joke but I laughed anyways.
[12:09:16] <dirty_d> i tried the 0 address and it didnt work, but that might be because of the "lp: driver loaded but no devices found" right?
[12:09:33] <pcw_home> Might be, and thats strange
[12:09:36] <dirty_d> pcw_home, no onboard parallel port
[12:09:40] <_methods> man my buddy was lookin all over for his mic's one day
[12:09:47] <_methods> he goes over to the weld shop
[12:09:53] <_methods> and they were using them as c clamps
[12:10:06] <PetefromTn_> DAMN I'D BE PISSED!!
[12:10:10] <_methods> he had weld spatter all over his starret mics
[12:10:15] <_methods> oh it was a fight instant
[12:10:15] <dirty_d> a parallel port card seems like something that should "just work" on linux in the year 2015
[12:10:20] <pcw_home> so then try 0x1030
[12:10:32] <PetefromTn_> the shit's on man... put up yer dukes!!
[12:10:44] <dirty_d> 0x1030 is the one i used
[12:10:51] <_methods> yeah
[12:10:55] <pcw_home> tell that to Moschip
[12:10:56] <_methods> it was a good one
[12:11:08] <_methods> the owner didn't even fire my buddy
[12:11:20] <_methods> hehe
[12:11:35] <PetefromTn_> hehe thats funny if it were not so tragic.
[12:12:02] <_methods> well the funny part is we used to joke about how stupid welders are
[12:12:14] <_methods> and how they would use mic's for clamps if you didn't keep an eye on them
[12:12:30] <dirty_d> im gonna try that alias, rebooting
[12:12:46] <PetefromTn_> ya know honestly if you had NO IDEA what a micrometer was it pretty much looks like a high quality C clamp huh..
[12:13:16] <_methods> these same welders grabbed me one day
[12:13:26] <_methods> asked me to come over to teh weld shop
[12:13:33] <_methods> they were having a problem with an "angle"
[12:13:44] <_methods> i get over there and they were tryin to cut the miter for a 45
[12:13:53] <_methods> they were like what angle does it need to be?
[12:13:59] <_methods> i said 22.5
[12:14:06] <_methods> and they were like how do you know that...........
[12:14:16] <PetefromTn_> Cracks me up
[12:14:18] <_methods> had to draw it on the table with soap stone
[12:14:23] <_methods> before they would believe me
[12:14:37] <CaptHindsight> trial and error lol
[12:14:41] <_methods> yeah
[12:15:09] <CaptHindsight> two 90's a grind the part that sticks out
[12:15:32] <_methods> it's brutal some days
[12:15:44] <_methods> it's usually teh welders making me giggle though
[12:15:55] <PetefromTn_> life is hard....harder if you're stupid.
[12:16:06] <_methods> that's why welders look the way they do
[12:16:20] <_methods> sure isn't because life was easy on them hehe
[12:16:54] <PetefromTn_> hey man I tig weld....you are kinda insultin' me here hehe
[12:17:09] <_methods> hahah i mig weld but i'd never call myself a welder lol
[12:17:43] <_methods> i can tig steel but alum still kicks my ass
[12:18:26] <_methods> i need to get a tig rig so i can practice at the house
[12:18:49] <PetefromTn_> I can do steel, stainless, etc. AND aluminum but I would not call the aluminum beautiful when I am done. Not like some guys can do...
[12:18:57] <PetefromTn_> I bought mine used
[12:19:06] <PetefromTn_> it is a Commercial 350 amp machine
[12:19:10] <PetefromTn_> Made by L-tec
[12:19:17] <PetefromTn_> its kind of a beast
[12:19:21] <_methods> we just picked up 4 syncrowave 350's at auction for like $400
[12:19:22] <PetefromTn_> but it works really good
[12:19:25] <moorbo_> I miss my helistar
[12:19:26] <_methods> tryin to get the owner to sell me one
[12:19:29] <CaptHindsight> there are some great welding videos on youtube
[12:19:40] <PetefromTn_> you can get some good deals on used commercial machines nowadays
[12:19:52] <CaptHindsight> they cover how to correct your poor style well
[12:19:59] <PetefromTn_> since they don't have pulsing and other neat new fangled features
[12:20:00] <_methods> man i went to the welding supply store teh other day
[12:20:16] <_methods> and they had what i thought was little fake plasma cutters
[12:20:16] <CaptHindsight> but yeah, it's about practice and a good machine
[12:20:20] <_methods> they were so tiny
[12:20:29] <_methods> i was like oooooh look at the cute little plasma cutter
[12:20:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah these new inverter machines are amazing
[12:20:43] <_methods> i was like what you gonna do with them when you get rid of them
[12:20:50] <_methods> the guy was like WTF are you talkin about
[12:20:51] <CaptHindsight> the Chinese have perfected the cheap ones
[12:20:54] <_methods> that's a plasma cutter
[12:21:02] <_methods> i was like @wut
[12:21:04] <CaptHindsight> all that construction
[12:21:21] <_methods> plasma packs are so small now i thought they were all fake
[12:21:29] <_methods> like diplay things heheh
[12:21:30] <CaptHindsight> and they need to go from job to job and carry them on the bus or on a scooter
[12:21:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah right
[12:21:48] <PetefromTn_> you could do that with these new ones
[12:21:52] <PetefromTn_> they are so small
[12:22:15] <PetefromTn_> I think we are still where you need at least a 220 volt input one tho
[12:22:16] <CaptHindsight> and they only expect them to last a year
[12:22:21] <PetefromTn_> or they are kinda weak
[12:22:31] <PetefromTn_> but they have come a LONG way
[12:22:45] <CaptHindsight> I went shopping for them there a year ago
[12:24:33] <CaptHindsight> http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/8.jpg
[12:24:57] <PetefromTn_> LOL that is precious...
[12:25:06] <XXCoder> good idea. lol
[12:25:07] <PetefromTn_> I love the fake ray ban welding mask
[12:26:09] <PetefromTn_> How can you even do that for more than a couple arcs and not realize that is NOT a good idea is my question...
[12:26:36] <XXCoder> probbly guy is half blind already so it looks normal
[12:26:46] <PetefromTn_> don't they make the best cheap auto darkening helmets in the world over there?
[12:27:27] <PetefromTn_> I have one and I STILL close my eyes when I strike an arc just to be sure LOL...
[12:27:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[12:28:50] <PetefromTn_> just noticed the rubber garden gloves welding gloves too.....classic!
[12:38:27] <Tom_itx> _methods just tell them it's all in a circle
[12:43:12] <_methods> hahah
[12:43:19] <_methods> wow that pic is classic
[12:43:57] <_methods> that one just got emailed to everyone at work lol
[12:46:53] <CaptHindsight> http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/16.jpg who needs an electric wheel chair when you have a population of 1.3B
[12:47:08] <_methods> welders even have their own math books
[12:47:19] <_methods> they come with a full 128 pack of crayons
[12:47:33] <CaptHindsight> lol
[12:48:06] <_methods> hehe that's just mean
[13:02:31] <dirty_d> this made the parport work http://www.asix.com.tw/FrootAttach/driver/MCS98xx_Linux_Driver_Installation_Guide_v100.pdf
[13:02:49] <dirty_d> modprobe parport_pc io=0x1020 irq=21
[13:03:04] <dirty_d> 0x1020 was the 3rd io port
[13:11:25] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/uUYd4j8.jpg Check out this vacuum clamping/pallet changer fixture..
[13:12:22] <PetefromTn_> I understand that they put the bigass water filter in there to keep the coolant from getting into the vacuum pump
[13:12:27] <t12> that welding picture is great
[13:12:35] <_methods> that thing looks like it sucks
[13:12:35] <PetefromTn_> but did it need to be RIGHT IN FRONT of the worktable?
[13:12:41] <_methods> literally lol
[13:13:01] <PetefromTn_> I really like that heavy duty fixture tho
[13:13:27] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking more and more that I will be wanting something similar for my VMC and I want to eventuallly build one.
[13:30:36] <ssi_> peeet
[13:30:46] <zeeshan|2> hi ssi
[13:30:47] <zeeshan|2> :D
[13:30:49] <ssi> hey z
[13:30:52] <zeeshan|2> youre too busy for us
[13:30:57] <ssi> yuh
[13:31:11] <ssi> I'll be back around starting a week from tomorrow
[13:31:22] <ssi> have a new job and I'll have to start going in every day D:
[13:31:24] <zeeshan|2> still working on the plane?
[13:31:32] <zeeshan|2> ah cool
[13:31:33] <ssi> yeah
[13:31:44] <ssi> haha I just went flying in the cherokee with another guy out here
[13:31:57] <ssi> on takeoff, I saw kevin and st clair shooting down at the end of the runway
[13:32:01] <ssi> st clair is a police sniper
[13:32:03] <ssi> so I buzzed them hard
[13:32:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[13:32:14] <ssi> we went and screwed around for 30m or so, and I came back and landed
[13:32:24] <ssi> when I did, they came out and chased me in his unmarked car, lights and siren going
[13:32:42] <ssi> buncha shenanigans
[13:32:54] <_methods> you get a charge of wreckless flying lol
[13:33:18] <_methods> johnny chimpo approves
[13:33:57] <PetefromTn_> hey ssi
[13:34:10] <ssi> couple other guys out here built an RV6, finishted it up last week
[13:34:14] <ssi> I got to fly it yesterday
[13:34:18] <ssi> touchy little bastard
[13:34:32] <ssi> I did some dutch rolls, steep turns, and stalls before I landed it
[13:34:51] <ssi> first stall I used a moderate amount of forward stick to break the stall, and ended up negative 3G, and wadded myself up in the canopy
[13:35:16] <_methods> heheh
[13:35:44] <_methods> the pilot where i used to go skydiving had a standing bet with everyone that if you beat him to the ground he'd buy you a case of beer
[13:36:10] <_methods> as soon as the last person was out he'd roll it over until he could only see one dial
[13:36:10] <ssi> yea jump pilots are good at that crap
[13:36:31] <_methods> needless to say NO ONE ever failed to jump lol
[13:36:41] <ssi> anyone ever take his keys on the way out?
[13:36:43] <_methods> it was safer jumpin out than flyin down with mike
[13:36:49] <_methods> hahah
[13:37:12] <_methods> no never stole the keys
[13:37:20] <ssi> if you ever decide to become a jump pilot, carry a spare key, cause that's a common hazing for new jump pilots :P
[13:38:02] <_methods> i know i always tried to get in the batches with chicks cause if they showed their tits he'd go up an extra couple grand
[13:38:14] <ssi> haha
[13:38:25] <_methods> extra sky time lol
[13:38:28] <_methods> and free boobies
[13:39:29] <jack16> What do you think, 135 mm/s rapids with 650 mm/s acceleration on 6040 router is decent result?
[13:40:08] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yCBxLIYAAkjwO.jpg:large
[13:40:16] <ssi> gluing up the drag wire blocks on the top wing of the pitts
[13:40:19] <ssi> lower wings are already done
[13:40:42] <ssi> I got that tailwheel nonsense I was working on friday sorted out
[13:41:04] <ssi> I ended up having to buy a couple of $40 solid carbide straight flute drills to crossdrill the tailspring
[13:41:09] <ssi> hard ass spring steel
[13:41:17] <_methods> yeah that stuff is nasty
[13:41:32] <ssi> those drills worked BEAUTIFULLY tho
[13:41:37] <ssi> cut quickly, left a polished hole
[13:42:21] <ssi> I need a close tolerance bolt for it though
[13:42:24] <_methods> gotta love carbide
[13:43:41] <ssi> here's something curious
[13:43:42] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yC4T8IQAA81K2.jpg:large
[13:44:01] <ssi> the one on the right I cut with the world's dullest non-center cutting 5/8" four flute endmill
[13:44:08] <ssi> it's something I had lying around and it's about as sharp as a butter knife
[13:44:20] <ssi> it took AGES to cut, and I had to plunge and step over in like .040" steps
[13:44:30] <ssi> so I went and bought a brand new 3 flute endmill
[13:44:33] <ssi> sharp as hell
[13:44:41] <ssi> still have to plunge in steps, but now it leaves that nasty finish on the left
[13:45:08] <CaptHindsight> what types of wood are in those wings?
[13:45:11] <_methods> diggin in
[13:45:24] <ssi> CaptHindsight: spruce, mahogany plywood
[13:45:32] <_methods> i've seen that happen sometimes with alum
[13:45:34] <ssi> and the drag wire corner blocks are ash so they don't crush
[13:45:38] <_methods> a new endmill will gall up
[13:45:56] <ssi> I went and bought two more endmills, a 2 flute and a 4 flute, adn this time got tin coat
[13:46:00] <ssi> haven't tried them yet
[13:46:01] <_methods> so sharp it galls it
[13:46:12] <_methods> i prefer 2 flutes myself
[13:46:21] <_methods> for alum
[13:46:26] <ssi> I have $100 in endmills for this stupid job
[13:46:37] <ssi> 5/8" 2.5" loc
[13:46:37] <CaptHindsight> mahogany ply! I thought that was no longer available, nut maybe that was just the Honduran
[13:47:01] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I don't know what species of mahogany it is, all I know is it meets the AC 43.13 specs and is certified plywood :)
[13:47:11] <ssi> and it's balls expensive
[13:47:35] <ssi> yeah it's african mahogany, which is still available
[13:47:53] <CaptHindsight> the furniture grade stuff i had 10 years ago was ~$125 a 4x8 sheet
[13:48:03] <ssi> for 3/4?
[13:48:24] <CaptHindsight> 5/8-3/4 range
[13:48:29] <ssi> this stuff is 1/4", and 4x8 is $$232
[13:48:39] <ssi> 1/2" is the thickest they carry, atd it's $310/sheet
[13:48:44] <CaptHindsight> ply in general has gone up
[13:48:44] <ssi> fucking mil-spec plywood
[13:48:49] <ssi> MIL-P-6070
[13:49:07] <ssi> the bias stuff is even worse
[13:49:22] <ssi> grain runs 45 degrees across the sheet, 1/8" 4x8' is $252
[13:49:50] <CaptHindsight> more than aluminum or close
[13:49:59] <ssi> the leading edges are made of 1/32" baltic birch plywood, two sheets laminated together
[13:50:05] <ssi> I formed it over another wing
[13:50:15] <ssi> glued two sheets together and compressed it over the form
[13:50:52] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yEiVUIIAESRrW.jpg:large
[13:50:53] <CaptHindsight> hard to see from that angle, whats the wingspan?
[13:50:59] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yEkQIIQAAJXrU.jpg:large
[13:51:01] <ssi> 16' :){
[13:51:29] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zVj0NIIAAr1Eg.jpg:large
[13:51:41] <ssi> top wing is 96" along the sweep angle from centerline to wingtip
[13:51:49] <ssi> bottom wings are 85.5" long
[13:52:26] <CaptHindsight> looks great
[13:52:39] <CaptHindsight> whats the engine?
[13:52:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yE-jWIgAAduWf.jpg:large
[13:52:50] <ssi> it's an AEIO-320
[13:53:03] <ssi> 150hp nominal, but it's had some performance work done and makes about 175hp
[13:53:22] <ssi> AEIO means it has the solid flange and upgraded front bearing, for gyroscopic loads for aerobatics
[13:53:25] <ssi> fuel injected
[13:53:28] <CaptHindsight> getting it ready for summer flying?
[13:53:36] <ssi> yeah I'd like to have it airworthy by summer
[13:53:44] <ssi> I have to do a lot of training before I can fly it :P
[13:53:53] <ssi> that's the hardest airplane to land there is :P
[13:54:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOCmoYU6h1Q this kind of training? :)
[13:55:15] <ssi> hahahah yessss
[13:55:18] <CaptHindsight> do you train in a similar plane or a simulator?
[13:55:23] <ssi> similar plane
[13:55:35] <ssi> there's a guy with a two seat S2B near me
[13:55:48] <ssi> it doesn't fly anything like the same, but it's enough similar that I can get the confidence to fly this one
[13:56:08] <[cube]> i've flown as a passenger in an s2b
[13:56:14] <[cube]> one of the best days of my life ;)
[13:56:21] <ssi> yeah they're a pile of fun
[13:56:59] <[cube]> after about 45 mins i was going to hurl tho
[13:57:01] <_methods> hehe the ultimate roller coaster
[13:57:15] <[cube]> pilot wasn't holding back
[13:57:17] <ssi> yeah I got a little queasy yesterday flying that RV, doing dutch rolls
[13:57:27] <[cube]> this was like 7 years ago
[13:57:29] <ssi> I kept unloading it accidentally and going negative
[13:57:36] <[cube]> he's now a red bull air race pilot
[13:57:42] <ssi> I need a lot of practice in twitchy light airplanes :P
[13:58:23] <ssi> I don't purport to be any kind of good aerobatic pilot
[13:58:27] <ssi> but I would like to be someday :)
[13:58:36] <[cube]> the worst part of the flight
[13:58:42] <[cube]> was an INVERTED roll
[13:58:44] <PetefromTn_> you got balls as big as church bells going up in that stick built contraption..
[13:58:50] <[cube]> i felt liek my head was in a vice from all directions
[13:59:09] <ssi> yeah negative stuff is hard
[13:59:23] <[cube]> got a bit of tunnelvision from that one
[13:59:54] <ssi> PetefromTn_: you're rigth, but not for the reason you think :)
[13:59:57] <ssi> the airplane is plenty strong
[14:00:17] <ssi> WAY stronger than most certified airplanes
[14:00:47] <PetefromTn_> hehe just bustin' yer chops man...
[14:01:07] <JT-Shop> ssi, got a photo of the bird?
[14:01:17] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yE-jWIgAAduWf.jpg:large
[14:01:19] <ssi> that one?
[14:01:49] <zeeshan|2> wheres all your machines!!
[14:01:53] <zeeshan|2> in anot her hanger? :)
[14:01:57] <ssi> yeah
[14:02:03] <ssi> these two are adjacent
[14:02:13] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yCBxLIYAAkjwO.jpg:large
[14:02:17] <ssi> you can see the mill handle on the right there
[14:02:22] <ssi> all the machines are off to the right
[14:02:49] <zeeshan|2> yes
[14:10:11] <PetefromTn_> http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/bungled-personal-flight-attempt-1.jpg Here's SSI on his first flight attempt!
[14:14:02] <zeeshan|2> anyone speak finnish ?
[14:16:20] <XXCoder> hey ssi been a bit
[14:16:22] <XXCoder> hows ya
[14:31:46] <Tom_itx> 23°F and blowing like nobody's business
[14:32:01] <anarchos2_> the age old question, what do i build with my now semi-working mill? :P
[14:34:53] <Tom_itx> a turner's cube
[14:35:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/TurnersCubes/P1011486.JPG
[14:36:11] <anarchos2_> oh wow
[14:44:20] <PetefromTn_> Got some Kleen Strip aircraft remover and it seems to be taking off the paint on the encloser parts I have not stripped yet
[14:44:30] <JT-Shop> wow the burner and furnace work good
[14:44:37] <JT-Shop> need a lid and stand now
[14:44:44] <PetefromTn_> works pretty good. I hope to get MOST of it off here and then break out the air drill and wire cup brush
[14:48:46] <tjb1> JT-Shop: need something?
[14:48:58] <furrywolf> anyone have a mt3 bullnose lathe center they want to sell?
[14:52:50] <JT-Shop> tjb1, just wondering which J head you build if you had the means? He is up to MK8
[14:54:05] <tjb1> I am using an MK8 now but I don't think he released it yet
[14:54:09] <tjb1> I am beta tester
[14:56:10] <JT-Shop> the description is there for the parts
[14:56:58] <JT-Shop> I see he only sells the MK 5, so what do you think of the MK 8
[14:59:30] <tjb1> Well it works fine with PLA
[14:59:40] <tjb1> Haven't tried ABS yet but I am printing Ninjaflex with it now
[15:00:00] <JT-Shop> I plan on using PLA for my casting
[15:00:13] <JT-Shop> what extruder are you using?
[15:00:29] <tjb1> Delta uses Bulldog XL, new printer uses Printrbot Dual Gear
[15:00:49] <[cube]> i've got an xl
[15:00:53] <[cube]> 2 of them
[15:01:13] <tjb1> They work good just a bit expensive
[15:01:25] <[cube]> yeah, its a bit slow imo
[15:01:41] <tjb1> JT-Shop: You could build a Bulldog XL
[15:01:43] <[cube]> if i push it too hard it skips
[15:01:55] <tjb1> The XL?
[15:02:00] <[cube]> yeah
[15:02:08] <[cube]> have you had that problem?
[15:02:12] <tjb1> I've never had mine skip but I have motor current up pretty high
[15:02:27] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ixxbkht9zrfwg79/2014-05-06%2020.36.41.jpg?dl=0
[15:02:43] <[cube]> i've done a lot of tweaking and speed adjustment always fixes the skipping
[15:03:02] <tjb1> JT-Shop: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:215457
[15:03:24] <[cube]> i'm also pushing 3mm filament into a 0.3 mm nozzle
[15:03:32] <[cube]> tha tmight have something to do with it
[15:04:17] <tjb1> [cube]:
[15:04:18] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkorxyzmu3zelqe/FLIR0099.jpg?dl=0
[15:04:30] <JT-Shop> tjb1, burner test a few minutes ago http://gnipsel.com/images/casting/
[15:04:35] <[cube]> lol
[15:04:36] <[cube]> nice
[15:04:48] <[cube]> just a few days ago I bought a seek thermal cam!
[15:04:59] <[cube]> i've yet to try it on the printer, good idea
[15:05:12] <tjb1> That picture is from an Flir E4(E8)
[15:05:22] <[cube]> nice
[15:05:26] <tjb1> I had a lense on it but I don't remember the focal length
[15:05:27] * furrywolf wants a thermal imager
[15:05:33] <[cube]> the seek cam i got is a phone attachment
[15:05:37] <[cube]> but its actually really nice
[15:05:40] <[cube]> does video
[15:05:45] <[cube]> cost me $250
[15:05:49] <tjb1> I've been following that on EEVBlog
[15:05:53] <JT-Shop> tjb1, what size stepper is on the XL?\
[15:06:01] <[cube]> nema17
[15:06:02] <tjb1> seems the concensus is that they aren't updating the software enough
[15:06:09] <tjb1> JT-Shop: its a geared stepper
[15:06:11] <[cube]> but its custom nema17
[15:06:19] <[cube]> with metal gearbox
[15:06:21] <tjb1> http://i.imgur.com/BeLXggi.gifv
[15:06:51] <[cube]> nice
[15:07:14] <tjb1> Whole bunch of MK8 here - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0fcrk7ao6bh0sz/AAAftfo8Ew1Vsvx9mz3osQzUa?dl=0
[15:07:29] <furrywolf> ... why the heck would you tie something like an ir camera to a phone?
[15:07:32] <[cube]> i don't think motor current is the issue in my case
[15:07:56] <tjb1> furrywolf: a lot cheaper than what I have
[15:07:57] <[cube]> furrywolf: least expensive option for me
[15:08:07] <tjb1> E4 is $999
[15:08:09] <[cube]> and works surprisingly well
[15:08:18] <furrywolf> why not make it a generic usb device?
[15:08:24] <[cube]> i have a Note 3 phone that's capable of recording in 4k
[15:08:40] <tjb1> requires their app furrywolf unless you want to roll your own
[15:08:49] <tjb1> also Flir One which works on Android/iPhone
[15:09:42] <furrywolf> I mean why, if you're a company developing a thermal imager, would you make it only work with smartphones, rather than just making it a generic usb device that'll work with anything?
[15:10:09] <[cube]> technically it is
[15:10:18] <[cube]> it'll work on anythign with andorid and microusb
[15:10:48] <[cube]> http://www.thermal.com/
[15:11:15] <[cube]> i use a little usb extension cord
[15:11:34] <[cube]> so im not bound by the sensor being stuck to the base of the phone
[15:11:38] <furrywolf> also, they seem to have one of the worst websites ever designed.
[15:11:43] <[cube]> goign to 3d print a mount for it
[15:11:51] <tjb1> http://www.flir.com/flirone/
[15:11:57] <[cube]> lol yeah
[15:12:20] <tjb1> Not bad if you have Iphone -
[15:12:21] <tjb1> <tjb1> http://i.imgur.com/BeLXggi.gifv
[15:12:25] <tjb1> wow hexchat...
[15:12:27] <[cube]> http://www.amazon.com/Seek-UW-AAA-Thermal-Imaging-Connector/dp/B00NYWAHHM
[15:12:29] <tjb1> http://www.amazon.com/FLIR-ONE-Thermal-Imager-iPhone/dp/B00K0PXFB6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422823894&sr=8-1&keywords=flir+one
[15:14:29] <JT-Shop> tjb1, did you see the burner test photos?
[15:14:39] <tjb1> JT-Shop: Yes, looks good
[15:15:54] <JT-Shop> the stl file looks weird in SW
[15:16:21] <furrywolf> if I were designing a low-priced thermal camera, I'd make it report as a generic usb webcam, so it magically works on every OS...
[15:16:46] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yn5y2a8rhvylpjv/FLIR0102.jpg?dl=0
[15:16:48] <JT-Shop> the stp works better
[15:17:20] <furrywolf> even if it has >8 bits/channel, it could just use two channels, and let software process it.
[15:17:36] <[cube]> tjb1: what's the size of your nozzle?
[15:17:48] <tjb1> [cube]: .35 on the MK8
[15:18:07] <[cube]> hm
[15:18:35] <[cube]> the bottleneck with my bulldog seems to be only during long infill extrusions
[15:18:45] <[cube]> which is really weird
[15:18:50] <[cube]> because it does perimeters flawlessly
[15:18:56] <tjb1> what hotend
[15:19:00] <[cube]> merlin
[15:19:11] <tjb1> your issue is not enough heat
[15:19:19] <[cube]> hmm
[15:19:31] <[cube]> i've been extruding pla at 230
[15:19:46] <tjb1> dont think you have enough molten plastic
[15:19:55] <tjb1> I run into that problem when I was trying to do 2 layer infill
[15:20:08] <tjb1> skip 1 layer and it would double the second layer to fill
[15:20:11] <[cube]> i'll try higher
[15:20:32] <tjb1> I dont know what Merlin is made of
[15:20:38] <tjb1> probably cant get much higher than 235 or so
[15:20:40] <_methods> unicorns
[15:20:57] <[cube]> its a nice hotend
[15:21:11] <JT-Shop> what gear ratio is the stepper?
[15:21:26] <tjb1> 5:1
[15:21:34] <tjb1> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?94,263985
[15:22:08] <_methods> http://www.hottug.nl/index_en.html
[15:22:23] <JT-Shop> thanks
[15:22:40] <[cube]> http://reprap.org/wiki/Merlin_Hotend
[15:23:05] <[cube]> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/d/d9/Merlin_example8.jpg
[15:23:15] <tjb1> does it have PTFE inside?
[15:23:33] <[cube]> yeah which supposedly helps with heat preservation
[15:24:28] <[cube]> creator's site: http://merlin-hotend.de/
[15:25:15] <tjb1> yeah 240 is rough max for those style
[15:25:17] <tjb1> same with jhead
[15:27:10] <[cube]> yeah at 230 i can sense the pla curling
[15:27:15] <[cube]> much more and it'll burn
[15:29:39] <JT-Shop> is this useful http://www.reprapdiscount.com/electronics/49-ramps-basic-wiring-kit.html
[15:32:05] <[cube]> i have the second bulldog xl
[15:32:11] <[cube]> that i was going to use exclusively for infill
[15:32:27] <[cube]> it'll be hooked up to a ramps1.4
[15:33:28] <[cube]> the 'perimeter' extruder i'll keep at 0.3mm and the 'infill' extruder i'll put the 0.5mm nozzle
[15:33:37] <[cube]> im hoping that'll significantly speed up my prints
[15:33:38] <furrywolf> maybe one of these days I'll build a 3d printer, but still haven't found a use for one. I'd probably just stick an extruder in my mill's spindle instead of building a whole new machine...
[15:33:52] <[cube]> furry
[15:34:01] <[cube]> look at those 3d printing 'pens'
[15:34:09] <[cube]> might be a cheap option to test out
[15:34:12] <furrywolf> url?
[15:34:27] <[cube]> ehhh actually i duno
[15:34:44] <[cube]> but you'll need some kind of software to step the filament feed precisely
[15:34:53] <[cube]> you're better off with a ramps/hotend
[15:35:18] <[cube]> but for the record here's one of those pens:
[15:35:22] <[cube]> http://lixpen.com/
[15:35:47] <furrywolf> I'd just drive the stepper off the A output...
[15:36:22] <[cube]> yeah i'm not familiar with that
[15:36:50] <tjb1> JT-Shop: yes
[15:36:58] <furrywolf> a 4-axis milling machine has X, Y, Z, and A, where A is rotation about the X axis... no reason to add new hardware when you already have all of it.
[15:37:07] <[cube]> you probably need to retract the filament when moving around the print
[15:37:21] <furrywolf> since the rotation isn't going to be useful for a 3d printer, I can use its stepper driver for the extruder.
[15:37:52] <[cube]> ah yeah could be cool to try
[15:39:55] <furrywolf> I wonder if I could do something clever like a variable size nozzle, and make use of the greatly increased horsepower a real mill has over a 3d printer to do much more rapid printing...
[15:41:14] <[cube]> i think the bottleneck is the extruder and how fast it can push out plastic
[15:41:41] <furrywolf> that can be improved. :)
[15:41:42] <[cube]> for example i can speed up my printer to a point where tis blazing fast
[15:41:51] <[cube]> an di dont even come close to straining the steppers
[15:42:07] <[cube]> but the extruder can't handle pushign all that plastic through
[15:42:35] <[cube]> its a really tiny nozzle
[15:42:43] <[cube]> so im sure there's some physical limit there
[15:42:56] <furrywolf> yeah, hence why I just mentioned building a variable size nozzle.
[15:43:17] <[cube]> the hoteend i have has variable nozzles
[15:43:21] <[cube]> it uses airbrush nozzles
[15:43:27] <[cube]> 0.2, 0m3 and 0.5 mm
[15:43:50] <[cube]> anything larger than 0.5 you won't get fine detail
[15:44:02] <[cube]> whichi stotally fine if thats wha tyou're going for
[15:44:18] <furrywolf> I mean variable under machine control... so you can do fine detail and very fast infill.
[15:44:22] <[cube]> and you will get much faster with a larger nozzle
[15:44:29] <[cube]> hmm
[15:44:32] <[cube]> like a tool changer?
[15:44:39] <JT-Shop> thanks
[15:45:07] <furrywolf> like a camera iris, but with long jaws like a jacobs chuck, or similar...
[15:45:18] <[cube]> now that would be cool
[15:45:38] <[cube]> i'd love to tsee that if you come up with it
[15:46:35] <[cube]> i think the software you use to generate gcode would also need to be programmed to play well with that
[15:46:39] <furrywolf> if rectangular was ok, so it printed a strip instead of a round opening, that'd be much easier.
[15:46:45] <furrywolf> yes
[15:46:56] <[cube]> the perimeter width generated by the variable nozzles would hav eto be accoutned for
[15:48:35] <furrywolf> the simplest design would be squishing a bit of silicone tube, but I don't know if you could get the required precision.
[15:49:03] <[cube]> yeah you could also get a large syringe
[15:49:14] <[cube]> and threaded rod connected ot the plunger
[15:49:16] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, these are popular among reprappers: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5pcs-NEMA17-78-Oz-in-CNC-stepper-motor-stepping-motor-1-8A/704350_554160664.html
[15:50:01] <furrywolf> I mean for the nozzle.
[15:50:31] <[cube]> hmm
[15:50:49] <[cube]> nozzle has to be metal
[15:51:05] <Tom_itx> yeah but insulated just above it
[15:51:06] <[cube]> to withstand high temps
[15:51:17] <Tom_itx> good thermal brake there
[15:52:31] <Tom_itx> DRV8825 seem to be the drivers you want to look for
[15:52:33] <[cube]> i could see using like 'steps'that you swap in and out
[15:52:35] <[cube]> like a step drill
[15:53:01] <CaptHindsight> maybe a nice bakelite nozzle
[15:53:08] <furrywolf> a tool changer design will solidify between changes, and suck.
[15:53:28] <[cube]> yep
[15:53:35] <Tom_itx> someone has a really thin stainless one that apparently works good
[15:53:40] <CaptHindsight> or maybe a nozzle that opens and closes like an iris
[15:53:50] <CaptHindsight> shaped like a funnel
[15:53:52] <furrywolf> > like a camera iris, but with long jaws like a jacobs chuck, or similar...
[15:54:41] <_methods> e3d
[15:54:45] <[cube]> this is a totally new approach that came out recently
[15:54:46] <[cube]> http://www.arburg.com/en/products-and-services/additive-manufacturing/akf-process/
[15:54:58] <[cube]> that machine is $100K
[15:55:15] <[cube]> apparently the plastic parts are 80% the strength of an injection molded part
[15:55:19] <malcom2073_> Most people either use dual extruders, or don't worry too much about it. The big thing a bigger nozzle gets you, is larger layer heights, so you can do infil every other outside layer
[15:56:54] <CaptHindsight> SLA can produce parts equal to or stronger than injection molded
[15:57:06] <CaptHindsight> it depends on the resin formulation
[15:57:15] <[cube]> yeah
[15:57:30] <[cube]> the benefit to this machien is it takes a bunch fo different plastic pellet substrates
[15:57:40] <CaptHindsight> I don't have a filament fetish :)
[15:58:05] <[cube]> well if you're an injeciton molding shop
[15:58:11] <[cube]> and a client wants 20 parts
[15:58:14] <[cube]> in delrin
[15:58:30] <[cube]> having this machine would beat having to build the mold, etc
[15:58:46] <[cube]> charge a bit less and capture all that profit from charging as if you had a mold
[15:59:15] * furrywolf tries a google image search for a naked woman wrapped in filaments, but doesn't find anything for capthindsight
[16:12:27] <jdh> I don't believe that.
[16:16:43] <furrywolf> you're welcome to try. I stopped caring after about one screen of results.
[16:18:28] <Deejay> gn8
[16:21:03] <furrywolf> I really, really hate sae connectors.
[16:21:46] <furrywolf> the new panels I got have them. which is positive? which is negative? why is the red wire negative and the black positive? what idiot designed a hermaphroditic connector that swaps the polarity?
[16:40:08] <hetii> Hi :)
[16:40:56] <jack16> Anderson Powerpoles are cool connectors. Very customisable.
[16:40:57] <hetii> I wonder how precision I could get from hdd head. The idea is to use such head as a part or CNC machine to get enought precision to be able to make lqfp packed on PCB
[16:41:05] <hetii> at the end of the day there will be biger area to control whole board and small that will calibrate it for small footprint
[16:48:32] <furrywolf> jack: yes. I like powerpoles. however, the things I'm working with have built-in sae connectors.
[16:48:51] <furrywolf> what's the best way to clean black copper wire to get a good crimp and/or solder joint?
[16:52:00] <Tom_itx> acid
[16:52:05] <Tom_itx> and rinse
[16:52:16] <Tom_itx> just like copper pipe
[16:52:37] <Tom_itx> but you don't want the acid to remain
[16:52:59] <furrywolf> insulated stranded wire has a remarkable ability to suck up things, like acid.
[16:53:15] <furrywolf> I'm thinking electrolysis or something...
[16:53:46] <furrywolf> the wires on this solar panel seem to be corroded pretty far back, as I chopped off 4" already with no change in color...
[16:53:52] <Tom_itx> it was a trick question if you knew the answer
[16:54:48] <_methods> flux
[16:55:10] <furrywolf> only flux I have in bulk is acid plumbing flux... see above. :)
[16:55:14] <furrywolf> (about acid being bad)
[16:55:15] <Tom_itx> flux may not get it if it's badly coroded
[16:56:41] <furrywolf> hrmm, one forum post suggests hydrogen peroxide... to remove oxides? hrmm
[16:59:34] <furrywolf> Results of my tests:
[16:59:35] <furrywolf> 1. hydrogen peroxide (3%): no effect
[16:59:40] <furrywolf> yeah, that's what I figured. internet people!
[17:00:28] <furrywolf> that poster finally gave up and used phosphoric acid.
[17:01:13] <Tom_itx> it is possible that the corrosion caused the plastic jacket to ooze onto the copper too
[17:01:49] <Tom_itx> i suggested acid...
[17:01:54] <Tom_itx> you didn't care for that
[17:02:35] <furrywolf> I'm worried acid will cause further corrosion later, as it'll wick up into the wire.
[17:03:13] <Tom_itx> that's why i suggested you rinse it good
[17:03:40] <Tom_itx> a better solution would be to replace the wire
[17:04:00] <Tom_itx> seal it with that silicone stuff the phone co uses on their crimps
[17:04:14] <furrywolf> the wire goes into a silicone blob to a solder joint to the bus strips on the cells. can't replace wire once panel is laminated...
[17:06:01] <Tom_itx> there is really no one good answer
[17:07:44] <_methods> sand each individual strand
[17:07:51] <_methods> lol
[17:07:51] <jack16> I'd scrape it good and crimp
[17:08:26] <furrywolf> I'm going to try electrolysis. it's a solar panel and it's sunny out. brb...
[17:10:47] <zeeshan|2> when setting up a vfd , dc braking frequency
[17:10:50] <zeeshan|2> 0 - 60 hz
[17:11:05] <zeeshan|2> for some reason the default value is 0.5hz
[17:11:16] <zeeshan|2> wouldnt that mean motor would have to naturally slow down to 0.5hz
[17:11:21] <zeeshan|2> before the brake activates?
[17:20:32] <jack16> I think yes, if by "nanurally" you mean ramping frequency down. I do not think it's coasting.
[17:21:01] <furrywolf> and, of course, the second I walk outside, the sun goes away.
[17:25:01] <Rab> zeeshan|2, could be the default setting is for a holding brake, rather than dynamic braking.
[17:25:41] <furrywolf> reduction takes place at the negative electrode, right? my chemistry is more than a little rusty... (no pun intended)
[17:26:05] <zeeshan|2> "The frequency at which DC braking activates during decel"
[17:26:17] <zeeshan|2> so basically when i command a decel
[17:26:21] <zeeshan|2> and say im at 60Hz
[17:26:33] <zeeshan|2> itll free run to 30Hz
[17:26:38] <zeeshan|2> and then bam brake will activate
[17:26:51] <zeeshan|2> there is another parameter which limits the max brake time
[17:26:55] <zeeshan|2> so i dont burn the motor down
[17:27:04] <zeeshan|2> im gonna try 30Hz activation, and 0.5s duration
[17:27:07] <zeeshan|2> lets see how strong that is :)
[17:28:08] <PetefromTn_> get er done!!
[17:30:59] <zeeshan|2> man my other drives didnt have this cool function
[17:31:02] <zeeshan|2> "jump frequency"
[17:31:11] <zeeshan|2> so say you try to command 31.6 hz
[17:31:21] <zeeshan|2> and you know your spindle resonates at the frequency
[17:31:32] <zeeshan|2> you can set it so it jumps the frequency to something else :)
[17:35:54] <furrywolf> low-power electrolysis (sun has gone away) seems to be working... the wire has gone from dark black to brownish.
[17:36:14] <furrywolf> and I have a cup of the most pretty blue liquid.
[17:36:51] <andypugh> Don’t drink the pretty blue liquid
[17:37:17] * LeelooMinai notices two Smurf hiding behind furrywolf'
[17:37:22] <LeelooMinai> 's blender
[17:38:02] <furrywolf> no, I don't plan on drinking it. copper isn't very healthy in quantity...
[17:39:18] <andypugh> LeelooMinai: http://estaticos01.ocholeguas.com/imagenes/2013/07/26/espana/1374836653_0.jpg
[17:39:37] <PetefromTn_> OOh I wanna live there!!
[17:39:58] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Júzcar
[17:40:12] <_methods> thats where that band the blue men came from
[17:40:14] <LeelooMinai> YOu can live there, just don't buy a blue car:)
[17:41:31] <PetefromTn_> ya think they have nude beaches there?
[17:41:50] <furrywolf> where doesn't have nude beaches? (that has beaches)
[17:41:54] <_methods> down at the blue lagoon
[17:41:59] <PetefromTn_> I'm gonna be needing a BIGASS telescope
[17:42:11] <PetefromTn_> preferrably a blue one
[17:43:31] <furrywolf> as long as you're not drunk or wanking, you can sun bathe nude at all the beaches here...
[17:44:31] <_methods> so do you know about the latter limitations from previous experience?
[17:45:12] <furrywolf> from reports in the local paper. :P
[17:45:16] <_methods> heheh
[17:45:22] <_methods> peewee herman was in town
[17:45:24] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, that's only $14 each lol
[17:45:45] <furrywolf> I'm sure it's illegal and considered public nudity or something, but as long as you're not being a pest, no one seems to care.
[17:47:28] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, yeah those are pretty cheap but strong
[17:47:58] <Tom_itx> you can get the avr2560 board with the ramps 1.4 with it there too for real cheap
[17:48:10] <Tom_itx> but i hear you want the TI drivers
[17:48:15] <_methods> yeah a mega is like $13
[17:48:16] <Tom_itx> more robust
[17:48:21] <_methods> and ramps is like $15
[17:48:32] <_methods> just make sure you get one with the right caps on the ramps
[17:48:46] <_methods> if you're going to run 24v
[17:48:48] <Tom_itx> the drivers plug into the ramps board
[17:48:51] * furrywolf still is annoyed at religious whackjobs for claiming nude people are evil
[17:48:55] <Tom_itx> it's basically a carrier board for them
[17:49:49] <_methods> some of those ebay vendors put under spec caps on the ramps boards
[17:50:13] <Tom_itx> well why is that not surprising
[17:51:18] <furrywolf> kinda like my "mach3 breakout board" with exploding caps?
[17:51:48] <_methods> i just bought one of those nema23 kits with the chinese driver board
[17:51:52] <_methods> i can't wait to blow that thing up
[17:52:24] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bbcaps/bbcap02.jpg chinese caps, yay.
[17:54:41] <_methods> how bad are these dq542ma stepper drivers?
[17:57:44] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Best-3Axis-Nema23-Wantai-stepper-motor425oz-in-3A-4-Leads-CNC-single-shaft-115mm-/271520259443
[17:59:44] <PetefromTn_> wonton stepper motors? are they meat filled?
[18:00:26] <andypugh> I manged to explode a resistor so violently it punched a hole through the aluminium case.
[18:01:04] <_methods> mmmmm wontons
[18:08:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMPOY0nQgY Solidscape 5000dpi printed wax molds for casting
[18:09:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM86qxW7vP8 wax inkjet
[18:12:44] <andypugh> Would it be fair to assume that that is not inexpensive?
[18:14:09] <PetefromTn_> if it is so damn good how come they had to show the whole thing in CG? does the real thing look shitty?
[18:14:24] <_methods> yeah i was wondering the same thing
[18:14:29] <CaptHindsight> I bet they mark that up >$50K but you could DIY one using a xerox for far less
[18:14:29] <_methods> very light on actual footage
[18:15:15] <CaptHindsight> inkjet is the most controlling and paranoid industry that there is next to recreational drugs
[18:17:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/color-printers/colorqube-8570/enus.html it's the heads from this only on a flatbed with a Z axis for either the head or the platform
[18:18:39] <CaptHindsight> any of the solid (wax) ink version printers
[18:20:11] <furrywolf> wire clean enough, lightly wire brushed, coated in oxgard, and crimped.
[18:21:06] <andypugh> You cpould start with an old Tektronix Phaser.
[18:21:20] <furrywolf> oh phoo, what do I do with a cup of pure blue?
[18:21:31] <CaptHindsight> yes those are now made by Xerox
[18:22:10] <andypugh> I have a Phaser 7600, but unfortunately that is conventional toner.
[18:23:02] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had a Phaser I would take out ISIS with it...hehe
[18:23:06] <CaptHindsight> toner based also works, but it's more for solid models
[18:24:19] <CaptHindsight> toner is very similar to powder coatings
[18:24:26] <PetefromTn_> what is a good quality lowish priced scale that can weigh smaller parts in the sub ten pound range?
[18:24:27] <andypugh> Hmm, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xerox-Phaser-8560-Solid-Ink-Colour-Printer-Spares-or-Repair-/251808550303 is rather close to me
[18:25:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, thats the style
[18:25:27] <furrywolf> powder coating... that's an interesting idea. what if you use a cathode ray gun to selectively charge parts of your workpiece, sprayed powder coating, flashed a very bright ir light, repeat?
[18:25:30] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, postage scale
[18:25:44] <CaptHindsight> the inkjet printhead heats the wax up to ~125C
[18:26:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah a postage scale would probably work but do you have a specific one that works well?
[18:26:22] <CaptHindsight> the viscosity of the wax drops to ~10cPs at that temp
[18:26:40] <roycroft> i don't know what kind of granularity you need, petefromtn_, but i have this as a backup for my main brewing scale:
[18:26:43] <roycroft> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JQTVLY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[18:26:48] <PetefromTn_> I get people all the time wanting me to let them know the actual weight of my rifle parts and I need to get something to do that reasonably accurately.
[18:27:10] <PetefromTn_> hey that is kinda nic
[18:27:11] <roycroft> i have a trade legal scale that's been calibrated recently, and the weights i get from the amazon one are spot on accurate
[18:27:12] <PetefromTn_> nice
[18:27:18] <CaptHindsight> 1 cP = 1 mPa·s = 0.001 Pa·s = 0.001 N·s·m-2 = 0.001 kg·m-1·s-1.
[18:27:23] <PetefromTn_> up to 75 lbs too
[18:27:56] <roycroft> and it's cheap!
[18:28:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah not bad
[18:28:15] <roycroft> the detachable front panel is a really nice feature
[18:28:24] <roycroft> if you ever want to weight a big box or something that makes it easy
[18:28:28] <roycroft> weigh
[18:28:45] <PetefromTn_> I have a small scale for weighing my air rifle pellets and smaller stuff but it is really weight limited
[18:28:45] <roycroft> my only complaint is that it turns itself off too quickly
[18:28:50] <roycroft> probably about 2 minutes of idle time
[18:28:55] <roycroft> which is occasionally a problem for me
[18:29:03] <furrywolf> I have a little ebay drug scale, a harbor freight 70lb postal scale, and a heavy steel 250lb scale that needs calibration. (previous owner fucked with it, I re-calibrated it using weight bench weights, because they're what I had handy... not accurate.)
[18:29:13] <roycroft> but i don't have an ac adapter for it - i wonder if it might stay on all the time if it detects the wall wart
[18:29:30] <roycroft> i use a triple beam balance for weighing hops and water additions
[18:29:47] <roycroft> but the bigger one is fine for grain
[18:29:50] <PetefromTn_> I would like a triple beam scale and ALMOST got a great deal on one locally on craigslist
[18:30:12] <roycroft> i buy grain in 20kg sacks
[18:30:21] <roycroft> so i need a scale that will handle that much at leaset
[18:30:43] <PetefromTn_> but the jackass never called me back after I made arrangements to meet with him the next day
[18:30:46] <furrywolf> there's tons of triple beam scales on craigslist here....
[18:31:02] <roycroft> my main scale has a granularity of 10g, which is fine for my grain
[18:31:45] <PetefromTn_> I don't get it man...
[18:31:48] <CaptHindsight> the walmart digital postal and kitchen scales are good to +/- 1g for $25
[18:31:56] <PetefromTn_> I started stripping these tins for the CNC lathe today
[18:32:18] <PetefromTn_> Oh nice I need to get one of those then... Never even looked at walmart
[18:32:20] <furrywolf> I had an analytical balance once, sold it on ebay. it used a large set of binary-ish weights, with little hangers that could lift them off the beam, and a cam mechanism. turn a knob and it lifts/drops the right combination of weighs on the beam.
[18:32:36] <PetefromTn_> anyways
[18:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I sprayed the stripper on the parts
[18:32:56] <PetefromTn_> and it came off real quick on the first two parts
[18:33:03] <roycroft> this is my main scale:
[18:33:06] <roycroft> http://www.pennscale.com/products/bench-scales/7300-series/
[18:33:09] <PetefromTn_> then I switched to another two
[18:33:15] <roycroft> i got a good deal on it
[18:33:21] <PetefromTn_> and sprayed the exact same stuff the exact same way on it
[18:33:33] <PetefromTn_> and it just gummed up on me and the paint is all slimy now.
[18:33:40] <PetefromTn_> really pissing me off...
[18:34:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/American-Weigh-Scales-Inc.-Digital-Kitchen-Scale/21281915 $13.97
[18:34:59] <PetefromTn_> have you tried that one?
[18:35:58] <CaptHindsight> not that exact one but i go through them all the time in the lab
[18:36:32] <CaptHindsight> they all are good to 1 gram even the ones that claim 0.1g
[18:36:53] <PetefromTn_> oh so you mean they suck basically?
[18:37:21] <andypugh> Can _you_ tell the difference between 10g and 11g ?
[18:37:41] <CaptHindsight> if all you need is down to the nearest oz, they have all be fine so far
[18:37:53] <PetefromTn_> OK LOL
[18:38:35] <CaptHindsight> they all seem to be able to count bills
[18:38:50] <CaptHindsight> 1 USD is ~1gram
[18:39:20] <andypugh> And 100USD = 1g too
[18:39:47] <furrywolf> bah, I can't seem to find a photo of how the weight mechanism in my balance worked. it was very cute.
[18:39:48] <PetefromTn_> na uh
[18:39:54] <CaptHindsight> those britsh pounds must be a bitch to lug around :p
[18:39:54] <andypugh> It seems odd to me haw the US don’t distinguish denominaitons by size and colour
[18:40:13] <PetefromTn_> shit it's all green to us here man..
[18:40:23] <CaptHindsight> they have recently become more colorful
[18:41:13] <andypugh> Ah, I haven’t been for a while.
[18:41:35] <andypugh> Euros are a bit _too_ colourful. Brash and garish even: http://www.fleur-de-coin.com/images/eurocoins/banknotes/specifications.jpg
[18:41:43] <furrywolf> it was entirely mechanical, with a mechanical display on it, and knobs. it had binary-coded-decimal weights, and each display digit worked a cam that would add or remove the correct set of weights from the beam.
[18:43:21] <furrywolf> with an ungodly number of tiny moving parts. :)
[18:43:38] <cradek_> that sounds like a mechanical wonder
[18:44:10] <cradek> oh look here I am for real
[18:44:40] <PetefromTn_> heh
[18:45:01] <PetefromTn_> I think you are a figment of andypugh's imagination actually....
[18:45:10] <cradek> that could be
[18:46:01] <andypugh> furrywolf: It seems you can still buy them: http://meihuatrade.en.alibaba.com/product/60117816536-0/BM328A_Mechanical_Balance_with_Accuracy_of_0_1mg_and_Mechanical_Weighing_Loading_of_10mg_199_990g.html
[18:46:35] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy that just posted a nice set of Mitu digital depth mics on a local machinist trade forum
[18:46:50] <PetefromTn_> and the ad says they are .00005 mics
[18:47:09] <PetefromTn_> I am sure they are SUPER accurate units
[18:47:54] <PetefromTn_> but I have read several times that even seasoned machinists struggle to repeat measurements beyond .0005 with depth mics and usually can only do quite a bit less than that
[18:48:11] <furrywolf> andy: this one was a little tabletop model, not a big rolling thing... one small pan inside a glass box to keep out dust, air movements, etc.
[18:48:30] <andypugh> Did you look at the link?
[18:48:53] <furrywolf> yes. it's a big rolling thing.
[18:49:06] <andypugh> I don’t think it is.
[18:49:14] <furrywolf> or is that not a pair of wheels under the middle of it?
[18:49:15] <furrywolf> lol
[18:49:27] <andypugh> Why would you have a big rolling thing for 200g?
[18:49:41] <andypugh> That’s the beam-release knob
[18:50:04] <furrywolf> ah
[18:50:43] <furrywolf> http://genchem.rutgers.edu/balmech.html there we go, the style of the top one on that page
[18:51:03] <furrywolf> 0.1mg sounds right too
[18:51:23] <roycroft> funny, someone just posted a couple mitu digital mics on my local cl with a resolution of 0.00005"
[18:51:27] <roycroft> not depth mics though
[18:51:50] <roycroft> $225 for the pair - 0-1" and 1-2"
[18:52:00] <PetefromTn_> thats a good price
[18:52:03] <furrywolf> only thing I have that precise is a mitu thickness guage.
[18:52:05] <roycroft> yes, it is
[18:52:23] <PetefromTn_> this guys asking almost $500.00
[18:52:31] <roycroft> if i did not already have mics in that range i'd think about it
[18:52:38] <furrywolf> with a big CALIBRATION FAILED sticker on the box. as far as I could tell, all that was wrong with it was it was a tad sticky, which a drop of light oil fixed.
[18:52:43] <roycroft> mine aren't nearly as good, but at least i have some
[18:52:53] <PetefromTn_> I wonder what the practical limit really is with a mic like that in terms of accuracy
[18:53:48] <roycroft> well i know i can't make parts nearly that accurate
[18:53:53] <roycroft> so it doesn't matter
[18:54:01] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: http://www.lathes.co.uk/pratt%2Dwhitney%2Dprecision%2Dmeasuring%2Dmachines/
[18:55:38] <PetefromTn_> andypugh yeah I know they MAKE stuff like this but my question is what kind of real measurements can you expect, I mean it is a manually held tool and in that range any temp swings and it goes out the window I would think..
[18:55:43] <toastyde1th> usually mics that fail calibration and discarded are from some sort of wear on the anvels
[18:56:17] <toastyde1th> i.e. they'll still pass gage blocks, but when you clamp them to an optical flat you can see they're out a ton
[18:56:35] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, that's why the inspection lab is a temperature controlled room
[18:56:45] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I am suggesting that if .00001 needs a machine like that then a hand-held depth gauge won’t be 0.00005
[18:56:47] <PetefromTn_> sure
[18:57:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I am saying too
[18:57:33] <furrywolf> bbl
[18:57:47] <andypugh> Back tomorrow, somehow it got late here.
[18:59:26] <CaptHindsight> http://icdn1.digitaltrends.com/image/coolbox_-970x646-c.jpg coolbox, supposedly the ultimate toolbox :)
[18:59:39] <CaptHindsight> ultimately overpriced
[19:00:26] <CaptHindsight> http://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/coolbox-2-1500x1000.jpg
[19:00:27] <PetefromTn_> looks like a plastic piece of shit with an ipad on it to me...
[19:01:28] <CaptHindsight> this must be for the unknowing family members of the dad with a workshop
[19:01:48] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4873371177.html for you mini lathe guys...
[19:02:03] <_methods> oh it's a radio with a toolbox attached to it lol
[19:02:18] <PetefromTn_> who'd a thunk it?
[19:03:05] <anarchos2> hmm, is there any way i can tell at which line of g code was last executed? linuxcnc is throwing a weird "spindle stop can't be executed until machine is on and out of estop" error, then freezing for 10 seconds at the exact same spot, but then when it unfreezes i can't tell at which line it was doing
[19:03:25] <anarchos2> there should be no spindle off at all in my gcode because i don't have spindle control...
[19:03:56] <_methods> post your code maybe
[19:04:12] <anarchos2> it's 3000 line long..
[19:04:15] <anarchos2> :P
[19:04:26] <_methods> pastebin
[19:05:12] <hetii> Q: Is it worth to use such device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfoMObhZVY instead step motors?
[19:06:14] <anarchos2> http://pastebin.com/6kihzgQ1
[19:06:16] <pcw_home> if you want low force and high speed, sure
[19:06:44] <anarchos2> i'd say the error is happening about 1/9th of the way through
[19:07:29] <_methods> hmm
[19:07:59] <LeelooMinai> That looks like a speaker without the cone:)
[19:08:24] <_methods> no m codes out of place
[19:08:37] <hetii> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BrmIqD6XQw
[19:09:14] <hetii> I plan build small cnc to make a prototype PCB board
[19:09:19] <hetii> and wonder whats is possible
[19:09:27] <_methods> you are calling a g43 on t0 when t2 is loaded though
[19:09:48] <_methods> H0
[19:10:24] <_methods> not sure if you put a length offset in or what though
[19:11:09] <anarchos2> ok i think i found where it errors out, line 721..... i zoomed way in and can see that's where it paused at, i think
[19:13:35] <anarchos2> yes, definately (if the 3d display is to be trusted) it's happening on 721 or 722
[19:13:46] <_methods> i have no idea i don't see anything in your code around there that would cause that
[19:14:32] <anarchos2> yeah that's the weird thing, and LinuxCNC freezes for 10 seconds
[19:14:35] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BcfYsH4jyM Damn this is a nice machine retrofit
[19:15:48] <cradek> weird. do you have a m5 in the program?
[19:15:58] <cradek> what version of linuxcnc?
[19:16:03] <_methods> i couldn't find any errant m codes
[19:16:27] <PetefromTn_> the only M5 I saw was in the beginning
[19:16:30] <_methods> m3, m8, m9, m6
[19:16:47] <_methods> yeah one m5 at beginning
[19:17:03] <_methods> and m30 at the end
[19:17:23] <_methods> i was even looking for a pause in there
[19:17:36] <_methods> didn't see any of those either
[19:17:57] <_methods> could the buffer be overfilling ?
[19:18:19] <_methods> readahead?
[19:18:48] <cradek> what version of linuxcnc?
[19:19:16] <anarchos2> 2.6.5
[19:19:23] <anarchos2> gmoccapy
[19:19:38] <cradek> try to reproduce it running AXIS
[19:20:17] <_methods> ahhhh
[19:20:24] <_methods> another gmoccapy
[19:22:11] <anarchos2> ten four
[19:25:23] <pcw_home> Wonder if this is related to that weird GUI hang Skunkworks found
[19:26:12] <pcw_home> (also hangs for 10 or 20 seconds)
[19:44:00] <anarchos2> just faced off another piece of scrap and will attempt with axis
[19:44:13] <roycroft> i think the ssr for the hlt heater circuit has failed
[19:44:15] <anarchos2> i like doing things in metal vs faking it, makes life more exciting ;P
[19:44:21] <roycroft> ack, mischan
[19:55:18] <anarchos2> hrm, in axis it doesn't get past line 103 :(
[19:55:45] <anarchos2> this is a joint 0 limit switch error....which in no way is tripped
[19:56:53] <Tom_itx> is it wired backward?
[19:58:46] <anarchos2> not that i'm aware of, it all seems to work. i have home and limit switches, so in theory the limit switches shouldn't even be used (because if i'm homed then the table travel settings stop it before it hits the limit switch)
[19:58:52] <anarchos2> homeing works flawlessly
[19:59:35] <Tom_itx> debounce?
[19:59:49] <anarchos2> also if i intentionally don't home, then run my axis' into the limit switches, the correct errors seem to pop up
[20:00:06] <anarchos2> i don't even know what debounce is, to be honest
[20:00:22] <Tom_itx> i had to add debounce to mine for noisy switches
[20:00:55] <Tom_itx> watch those lines in halscope
[20:01:01] <anarchos2> seems weird it happen on the exact same line of code?
[20:01:06] <anarchos2> wouldn't it randomly happen?
[20:05:13] <Tom_itx> yeah probably but i can't think of anything else ....
[20:06:20] <_methods> me either
[20:06:33] <anarchos2> hmm, well i suppose it doesn't hurt to try and add debounce
[20:22:53] <anarchos2> ok i think it may be signal noise. I got it to run further, but then i tripped out at the exact same spot but two passes lower
[20:22:55] <anarchos2> super weird.
[20:24:07] <witnit> Probably a silly solution but I am trying to compile a copy of linuxcnc, I downloaded the usb install, downloaded the source with git, ./autogen ./configure and it saying libmodbus-dev is not installed. Why isnt there a list of prerequisites on the linuxcnc install?
[20:28:40] <witnit> I install one thing it asks for and then it asks for more after i try to reconfigure, is there a way to just install them all at once before i try to compile and realize its missing more components? answer is yes, but where do i find a list of needed files I dont think i know where to look. In the past i had built from scratch without error or needing to find each package. Is there a go to guide im overlooking?
[20:29:36] <cradek> you could try apt-get build-dep linuxcnc, which is the canonical way to install build dependencies
[20:29:55] <witnit> thank you
[20:30:07] <cradek> that works for any package, it is not linuxcnc specific
[20:30:59] <cradek> if you are not building the packaged version there might be minor differences (especially if you are trying to build a different branch)
[20:31:00] <witnit> Oh, i am not so aware of such things thank you :)
[20:31:06] <cradek> welcome
[20:31:46] <cradek> also see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies
[20:32:37] <anarchos2> Think this will be suficient for debounce to work? added to my .hal file http://pastebin.com/WL2Eks21
[20:48:49] <witnit> ahh yes, all those little things it needed when I tried ./configure. it seems like it would make so much more sense to just have an option to type "install from source". What i mean is, why type configure, autogen, build dependencies etc etc. when you obviously need these things or they wouldnt be called dependencies.
[20:53:53] <anarchos2> if i have debounce.0.0.in showing correctly in hal scope when my home switch is tripped, shouldn't debounce.0.0.out also show true?
[20:54:57] <cradek> anarchos2: maybe you didn't add it to a thread
[20:55:16] <anarchos2> it seems like debounce.0.0.in isn't making it to axis.0.home-sw-in using this line....net x-filt debounce.0.0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
[20:55:30] <anarchos2> hmm
[20:57:20] <witnit> ohhhh i just had a great Idea, directly on your interface for linuxcnc it has an option from the debug crash screen or while your interface is running to automatically upload your ini and hal file to pastebin and provide you with a url to share in this room
[20:57:35] <anarchos2> cradek, addf debounce base-thread
[20:58:25] <anarchos2> ah, debounce.0
[21:33:08] <Computer_Barf> does linux cnc generate the g-code?
[21:33:14] <Computer_Barf> or do I need another program for that?
[21:35:58] <Computer_Barf> nevermind, just read that it does not. What do you guys use for CAM?
[21:36:03] <PetefromTn_> no it does not generally but there are some add ons that can help you create simple G-code programs for typical applications using conversational approach...
[21:37:12] <XXCoder> I do need some kind of cam software evenally
[22:01:24] <Tom_itx> anarchos2, did that help?
[22:09:34] <Sairon> hmm
[22:10:04] <Sairon> autodesk fusion 360
[22:10:06] <Sairon> has cam
[22:10:16] <Sairon> haven't yet tried it on linux
[22:10:25] <PetefromTn_> yup looks impressive too
[22:10:52] <Sairon> i got in on the early deal
[22:11:07] <Sairon> where the 3d cam is the same price as 2.5D
[22:11:11] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, Yup!! http://imgur.com/q1hanD8
[22:11:23] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, my first anything in aluminum
[22:11:24] <Sairon> they appear to be using. oh heck
[22:11:38] <Sairon> some cam that was a plugin for solidworks
[22:11:45] <Sairon> that they bought a while back
[22:11:46] <anarchos2> i broke all my 1/8 bits so a lot of detail got lost :P
[22:12:12] <Sairon> HSMWorks
[22:12:26] <PetefromTn_> is it really... interesting
[22:12:28] <Tom_itx> wrong feeds n speeds probably
[22:12:38] <PetefromTn_> what did you pay for the 3d cam setup
[22:12:42] <Sairon> hmm
[22:12:49] <Sairon> i think $45 a month
[22:12:56] <Sairon> i'd have to look at my receipts
[22:13:15] <PetefromTn_> ok
[22:13:20] <Sairon> i haven't honestly played with it much
[22:13:27] <Sairon> i used HSMWorks in Solidworks
[22:13:30] <Sairon> and really liked it
[22:13:33] <anarchos2> Tom_itx, yeah, definately. I accident tried to take 0.4 inch instead of 0.4mm :P
[22:13:47] <Sairon> I teach it for Inventor
[22:14:05] <Sairon> hmm
[22:14:14] <Sairon> website claims 2.5D is free
[22:14:34] <anarchos2> i use HSMExpress, it's pretty decent
[22:14:43] <PetefromTn_> I was under the impression it was all free for hobbyists and startups
[22:14:45] <Sairon> same thing
[22:14:53] <Sairon> could be
[22:15:01] <Sairon> i don't think the 3d / 5 axis stuff is
[22:15:29] <anarchos2> yeah, HSMExpress is limited to 2.5D
[22:16:42] <Sairon> oh heck
[22:16:52] <Sairon> fusion 360 ultimate is like
[22:16:56] <Sairon> $150 a month now
[22:17:52] <Sairon> yeah, i'm paying $40
[22:17:59] <anarchos2> autodesk fusion has a linux port?
[22:18:30] <PetefromTn_> no way it would be worth $150 a month to me anyways that is unfortunate
[22:18:52] <Sairon> hmm
[22:19:01] <Sairon> well, the $150 is 3D
[22:19:17] <Sairon> and it's cad and cam
[22:19:55] <PetefromTn_> yup and it still would not be worth that much to me.
[22:19:59] <Sairon> oh snap
[22:20:12] <Sairon> they added branching and merging to PDM
[22:20:20] <PetefromTn_> $1800 a year is a bit much
[22:20:30] <Sairon> depends on what you need
[22:20:44] <Sairon> $40 a month gets you cad and 2.5D cam
[22:21:24] <Sairon> it's a good deal for me, because i do design work
[22:21:28] <Sairon> and i machine stuff
[22:21:35] <PetefromTn_> so do I
[22:21:48] <Sairon> solidworks licenses aren't cheap
[22:21:56] <PetefromTn_> you can say that again
[22:22:25] <Sairon> i see it as
[22:22:31] <Sairon> i get both for a decent price
[22:23:00] <Sairon> and i don't have to pay up front
[22:23:06] <PetefromTn_> if you are getting the 3d option and CAD and CAM for that $40 a month it is a good deal
[22:23:19] <Sairon> yeah, i am now, because i was an early user
[22:23:20] <PetefromTn_> if you are only getting 2.5D I dunno
[22:23:27] <Sairon> they cut that off in dec.
[22:23:39] <Sairon> hmm, fair argument
[22:23:42] <PetefromTn_> I wonder how much they will continue to hike the prices
[22:23:46] <Sairon> since they give the 2.5 away for free
[22:23:51] <Sairon> that was my thinking
[22:23:57] <Sairon> lock it in while it's cheap
[22:24:17] <PetefromTn_> hopefully you did indeed LOCK it in and they will continue to honor that price for the duration...
[22:24:26] <Sairon> right
[22:24:32] <Sairon> if not, eh, f' em
[22:39:41] <Sairon> https://www.plethora.com/
[22:40:44] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this is why people have dedicated computers w/ cad
[22:40:46] <zeeshan|2> and no internet access
[22:40:51] <zeeshan|2> cause they download it illegally!
[22:40:54] <zeeshan|2> when they get rich they buy it
[22:41:09] <Sairon> eh?
[22:41:34] <zeeshan|2> and i think if you take a college course on cad/cam
[22:41:39] <zeeshan|2> prolly pay 300 bux for the course
[22:41:48] <zeeshan|2> you can get inventor for like 4 years
[22:43:35] <zeeshan|2> http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/students-university/popular
[22:43:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, that board says 24v max input
[22:43:48] <zeeshan|2> which board
[22:43:49] <zeeshan|2> u got it?
[22:43:50] <Tom_itx> you think i could get away with 24v input?
[22:43:52] <Tom_itx> no not yet
[22:44:00] <Tom_itx> or should i regulate it down a bit
[22:44:15] <Tom_itx> it's 24v unregulated
[22:44:26] <zeeshan|2> youre gonna blow it up
[22:44:29] <zeeshan|2> with unregulated
[22:44:39] <zeeshan|2> where are you reading 24vdc?
[22:44:40] <Tom_itx> i'll find a small 78xx then
[22:44:41] <zeeshan|2> i read 12vdc
[22:44:48] <Tom_itx> look at the board
[22:44:56] <zeeshan|2> o i see it now
[22:45:02] <Tom_itx> other pc is off right now but it's there
[22:45:06] <zeeshan|2> WARNING: Check the polarity and voltage of the external power source and connect the 12V or 15 - 24V, and GND.
[22:45:23] <Tom_itx> so what do you think?
[22:45:48] <Tom_itx> i may have a 7812 or something around here i could use
[22:46:35] <Tom_itx> i wonder what that feeds into on the board
[22:47:15] <zeeshan|2> i think it sbest to check the chip specs on there
[22:47:27] <zeeshan|2> they way theyve written it
[22:47:30] <zeeshan|2> 24vdc max
[22:47:38] <zeeshan|2> so 24.5 v will fry it
[22:47:54] <Tom_itx> i can find something less than 24 and regulate it
[22:48:08] <Tom_itx> shouldn't take much current
[22:48:11] <zeeshan|2> dont wanna use your comp 12v supply?
[22:48:24] <Tom_itx> pc isn't hooked to it in the control
[22:48:28] <zeeshan|2> ah
[22:48:30] <Tom_itx> i was gonna use the control supply
[22:48:40] <Tom_itx> which is 48 or 24 or 5
[22:48:50] <Tom_itx> i can add a 12 or 18v i suppose
[22:49:14] <Tom_itx> i didn't look at the board current draw
[22:49:21] <zeeshan|2> they have
[22:49:29] <Tom_itx> i have smps that i can regulate to that too
[22:49:31] <zeeshan|2> lm2907nat the entrance i think
[22:49:34] <zeeshan|2> and a 1n4004
[22:49:35] <Tom_itx> they're adjustable
[22:49:44] <Tom_itx> i'll probably do that
[22:49:55] <Tom_itx> add another smps and regulate it to 12 or 18 or so
[22:50:13] <zeeshan|2> 4007 good to 700v
[22:50:15] <zeeshan|2> er
[22:50:19] <zeeshan|2> 4004 good to 280v
[22:50:45] <Tom_itx> what's the lm2907?
[22:50:53] <zeeshan|2> 2907 good to +28v
[22:51:05] <zeeshan|2> says frequency to voltage converter
[22:51:10] <Tom_itx> linear regulator?
[22:51:29] <Tom_itx> that would be for the output
[22:51:33] <Tom_itx> for the 10v
[22:51:54] <witnit> a laptop charger is a simple source for regulated supply right?
[22:52:15] <Tom_itx> i have plenty of smps regulators
[22:52:16] <zeeshan|2> 74hc14 looks like control signal side ic.
[22:52:21] <zeeshan|2> +7v max
[22:52:29] <Tom_itx> that's after it's regulated then
[22:52:32] <Tom_itx> on board
[22:52:33] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:52:45] <Tom_itx> i'll look it over but probably add another smps
[22:52:58] <Tom_itx> are the relays 12v?
[22:53:42] <zeeshan|2> yrd
[22:53:43] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:53:46] <zeeshan|2> i remember reading 12vdc on em
[22:54:00] <Tom_itx> i wonder if they're regulated onboard
[22:54:07] <zeeshan|2> screw this diagram
[22:54:09] <zeeshan|2> i finally found it
[22:54:34] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15732357843/
[22:54:35] <zeeshan|2> yea 12vdc
[22:54:42] <zeeshan|2> i barely read that
[22:54:44] <zeeshan|2> lm7805
[22:54:58] <zeeshan|2> so thats the 5v reg
[22:55:11] <zeeshan|2> input voltage max 35vdc
[22:55:21] <zeeshan|2> wait
[22:55:21] <Tom_itx> yeah but it'll get hot
[22:55:22] <zeeshan|2> i take that back
[22:55:35] <Tom_itx> lower you can keep that input the better for heat
[22:55:36] <zeeshan|2> 7-25V max
[22:55:39] <Tom_itx> on a linear reg
[22:55:41] <zeeshan|2> yea
[22:55:59] <zeeshan|2> well at least that answers
[22:56:06] <zeeshan|2> if 24.5vdc will blow it up
[22:56:26] <Tom_itx> yeah but mine is unregulated so i better add something there
[22:56:33] <furrywolf> 7805s are good to more than 24v. however, you may have 25v capacitors.
[22:56:53] <zeeshan|2> theres another regulator on there
[22:56:55] <zeeshan|2> that i can read
[22:56:57] <zeeshan|2> *cant
[22:57:24] <Tom_itx> what day did you send that?
[22:57:30] <zeeshan|2> monday
[22:57:33] <Tom_itx> i got my china junk yesterday
[22:57:39] <Tom_itx> so it'll be here soon
[22:57:48] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:57:58] <witnit> wow zeesh that build looks great good looking enclosure
[22:58:09] <witnit> you wire that?
[22:58:38] <zeeshan|2> whatcha looking at
[22:58:53] <witnit> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15571410083/in/photostream/
[22:58:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
[22:58:57] <witnit> that machine
[22:59:00] <zeeshan|2> yes witnit
[22:59:02] <zeeshan|2> thanks man
[22:59:14] <Tom_itx> i redid all that... added din rails and moved stuff around some
[22:59:44] <zeeshan|2> you have so many mesa cards!
[23:00:01] <zeeshan|2> witnit: i have ocd
[23:00:07] <Tom_itx> i got 2 more i could stuff in there
[23:00:07] <zeeshan|2> im wiring up some stuff at my dads dental practice
[23:00:09] <witnit> din rails are great, they change EVERYTHING
[23:00:10] <zeeshan|2> its driving me insane
[23:00:12] <zeeshan|2> wires are EVERYWHERE
[23:00:15] <Tom_itx> the one on the right isn't there now
[23:00:18] <zeeshan|2> need zip ties!
[23:00:18] <Tom_itx> i replaced it
[23:00:34] <witnit> im always scared of putting my mesa cards in the same area as my capacitors and HV
[23:00:52] <zeeshan|2> well if it was industrial
[23:01:00] <zeeshan|2> that would be pretty illegal
[23:01:01] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:01:14] <zeeshan|2> it's not against nec
[23:01:19] <zeeshan|2> since nec doesnt go inside a controller
[23:01:34] <furrywolf> nothing in a typical mill counts as HV.
[23:01:34] <zeeshan|2> but i know there is a csa article which strictly specifies that hv stuff in a controller
[23:01:51] <witnit> I put my pc in one box, my mesa in another and my HV in a third when possible
[23:01:52] <zeeshan|2> must have have its own seperate cover
[23:02:09] <witnit> then its all module based and I hook things together with rj45
[23:02:26] <zeeshan|2> shielded rj45?
[23:02:37] <XXCoder> interesting http://hackaday.com/2015/02/01/spline-thieving-makes-hobby-servos-even-more-useful/
[23:02:42] <furrywolf> IEC counts everything under 1000V as low voltage. :P
[23:02:44] <witnit> yeah? haha i dunno
[23:02:54] <zeeshan|2> youd knoiw!
[23:03:00] <zeeshan|2> shielded rj45 has a metal case around it
[23:03:03] <zeeshan|2> @ the connector
[23:03:27] <witnit> it its encoders and signal for amps i use shielded but i dont use it on the limit switches and things
[23:03:29] <witnit> buttons
[23:03:49] <zeeshan|2> yea all my limit s/w stuff is unshielded
[23:03:50] <zeeshan|2> 24vdc wire
[23:03:51] <witnit> is that bad?
[23:04:06] <zeeshan|2> i honestly have never encountered a safety switch that was shielded
[23:04:11] <zeeshan|2> and 24vdc
[23:04:15] <witnit> oh okay hahaha i try not to use solid rj45 either, I feel like it would break after time due to vibration
[23:04:34] <furrywolf> ... amazing, I had absolutely no idea that you could measure a shaft then cut something to match it! I thought that was impossible! ...
[23:05:00] <furrywolf> seriously, the idea that you can machine a part to match an existing part is surprising?
[23:05:06] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: you know your ltitle power supplies?
[23:05:11] <zeeshan|2> is that considered a smps?
[23:05:15] <witnit> some people dont know to use cooking spray on snow shovels to ease the job of moving snow either :)
[23:05:24] <zeeshan|2> or a buck converter
[23:05:38] <furrywolf> witnit: I've never had problems with snow sticking to the shovel.
[23:05:50] <furrywolf> a buck converter is a form of smps.
[23:06:12] <witnit> hooray compile is done!
[23:06:17] <witnit> such a long time to do that
[23:06:54] <zeeshan|2> by smps i mean ac to dc
[23:07:04] <zeeshan|2> by buck converter i guess i mean dc to dc
[23:07:16] <zeeshan|2> i dont know their inner workings :P
[23:07:22] <furrywolf> ac to dc is done with a variety of other topologies.
[23:07:30] <zeeshan|2> i know that.
[23:07:32] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:07:35] <furrywolf> smps just means a power supply that uses switching, not a specific topology.
[23:09:08] <furrywolf> buck is a smps, boost is a smps, cuk is a smps, flyback is a smps, sepic is a smps, forward is a smps, etc. :P
[23:09:27] * furrywolf got some cute chinese sepic converters somewhere...
[23:10:26] <zeeshan|2> speaking of smps
[23:10:38] <zeeshan|2> i have a 240/120vac power adapter
[23:10:41] <zeeshan|2> 50/60hz
[23:10:47] <zeeshan|2> i wanna power it up using 240v
[23:10:57] <zeeshan|2> are they expecting L1 to be 240v and N?
[23:11:05] <zeeshan|2> or can i use it on L1 - 120 L2 120
[23:11:25] <furrywolf> unless it's horribly misdesigned, it won't know the difference.
[23:11:42] <zeeshan|2> https://www.euronetwork.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/a/mainslead-c5-stripped-end.jpg
[23:11:49] <zeeshan|2> must find this connector to
[23:12:11] <furrywolf> that's a standard mickey mouse cord
[23:12:21] <zeeshan|2> http://www.electrical-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NEMA-6-15R-Plug.jpg
[23:12:26] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of just chopping the cord
[23:12:29] <zeeshan|2> and wiring this in
[23:12:33] <XXCoder> furrywolf: just was new idea to me. and that it was interesting
[23:14:27] * furrywolf bets they have an official name and iec number, but mickey mouse cord is what everyone else calls them. :P
[23:14:58] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:15:02] <zeeshan|2> yea its a iec c5/c6
[23:15:05] <zeeshan|2> depending on female/male
[23:16:34] <furrywolf> "iec c5" is 98,500 results. "mickey mouse cord" is 417,000.... :P
[23:16:49] <XXCoder> what a surpise lol
[23:16:58] <XXCoder> wonder if google fight still exist
[23:17:11] <XXCoder> it does. http://www.googlefight.com/'
[23:17:13] <XXCoder> it does. http://www.googlefight.com/
[23:17:59] <XXCoder> furrywolf wins, at 539 results. mine has 103
[23:18:12] <furrywolf> ... why the fuck does it need a plugin to work now?
[23:18:22] <XXCoder> however if I use orginial nick..
[23:18:36] <XX> its animated
[23:18:50] <XX> 62.8 million to 539 :P
[23:19:15] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:19:27] <zeeshan|2> last 20 fights: furrywolf vs xxcoder
[23:19:28] <XXCoder> havent used xx for so long
[23:19:30] <furrywolf> let's find a way to use flash for something utterly unneeded!
[23:19:43] <XXCoder> its OLD site
[23:19:57] <XXCoder> it havent changed since I last saw few years ago
[23:20:09] <zeeshan|2> furry why are you bitter
[23:20:14] <zeeshan|2> so much
[23:20:18] <furrywolf> lol
[23:20:21] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[23:20:27] <XXCoder> fleas in fur ;)
[23:20:27] <zeeshan|2> ol grumpy
[23:20:31] <furrywolf> because the world is full of stupid people.
[23:20:41] <XXCoder> fur probably is itchy too lol
[23:20:43] <furrywolf> and if I kill all of them, everyone will think _I'm_ the problem.
[23:20:54] <XXCoder> murder is overrated
[23:21:25] <zeeshan|2> there are a lot of stupid people
[23:21:37] <zeeshan|2> but you gotta not let them get to you :P
[23:21:38] <XXCoder> joke vs serious: 57.9k for serious, joke 21.1
[23:21:41] <zeeshan|2> try to find good!
[23:21:43] <XXCoder> 21.1k
[23:21:47] <XXCoder> errrr I mean m not k
[23:21:58] <XXCoder> for both
[23:22:41] <furrywolf> the lack of time, money, space, energy, and a mature, intelligent, sane, practical, good with a strapon woman doesn't help either.
[23:22:55] <XXCoder> oh wow a new inkscape. beem a nit
[23:22:57] <XXCoder> *bit
[23:23:48] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: youre right. good vs bad: 485m good to 196m bad
[23:24:05] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:30:12] <Aero-Tec> any one here good with threading Gcode?
[23:30:46] <zeeshan|2> g3333333333333333
[23:31:01] <XXCoder> meaning thread on bolts or in holes?
[23:31:12] <Aero-Tec> both
[23:31:19] <Aero-Tec> have hole to start with
[23:31:39] <XXCoder> only know gcode basics, zee might be able to help
[23:32:20] <Aero-Tec> there was something about doing tapper threads that one had to do something extra for or something
[23:32:49] <Aero-Tec> was that fixed or changed at all?
[23:33:00] <Aero-Tec> or does it even need fixing?
[23:46:48] <witnit> I just compiled and started 2.8 but i dont see hm2_eth in /rtlib, am I supposed to compile something entirely different?
[23:48:37] <XXCoder> hmm
[23:48:38] <XXCoder> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[23:48:48] <XXCoder> wonder if its powrrful enough to run a small router now
[23:53:48] <Aero-Tec> found the info about threading
[23:54:07] <furrywolf> is there a realtime kernel for it?
[23:55:04] <Aero-Tec> does G76 work?
[23:55:08] <XXCoder> a sec
[23:55:19] <Aero-Tec> would it be better then G33?
[23:55:51] <XXCoder> http://www.emlid.com/raspberry-pi-real-time-kernel/ apparently
[23:56:02] <XXCoder> there si others that state gonna compile kernel
[23:56:34] <XXCoder> site I linked to has realtime os image