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[00:00:04] <PetefromTn_> tryin to tweak this bitch within an inch of its life LOL
[00:02:47] <zeeshan> hahah
[00:03:28] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[00:24:51] <zeeshan> btw the sumitomo vfd is exact same model as l300p by hitachi
[00:24:58] <zeeshan> just a differnt label
[00:25:09] <zeeshan> the manuals are exactly the same.
[00:25:18] <PetefromTn_> dafuk
[00:25:33] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:25:37] <PetefromTn_> I just tried to setup a new tool in the tool table to see if it is metric or imperial
[00:25:54] <PetefromTn_> and for some reason it still gave a metric equivalent
[00:26:22] <zeeshan> lol
[00:26:30] <zeeshan> maybe something in the ini
[00:27:16] <bobo_> pete ---put zeeshans hammer down
[00:27:24] <PetefromTn_> jeez if this was all not necessary because of some freakin' setting somewhere I am gonna be pissed!
[00:34:17] <zeeshan> bobo_: let me tune you with the hammer
[00:34:18] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:35:06] <bobo_> you take medicade ?
[00:35:25] <zeeshan> :)
[00:35:33] <zeeshan> bobo_: did you find out what tool the mikron uses!
[00:35:43] <zeeshan> i need to order some tool holders
[00:36:16] <bobo_> Sorry I have failed but again
[00:36:41] <zeeshan> cmon bobo :(
[00:37:35] <PetefromTn_> YESS!!
[00:37:53] <bobo_> holders ----thought CAT 40 , problem is pullstud
[00:37:56] <PetefromTn_> I just moved the machine to G59.3 Go XO YO and set Zo at the top of travel
[00:38:06] <zeeshan> yes i dont know pull stud
[00:38:14] <PetefromTn_> Then I loaded a tool like I always do and jogged down to my 123 block and touched off.
[00:38:37] <PetefromTn_> The tool information is in INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:38:45] <PetefromTn_> WOO FREAKIN" HOOOOO!!
[00:39:09] <zeeshan> nice pete!
[00:39:34] <PetefromTn_> now maybe I can start using the damn cutter compensation if I can figure that out damnit...
[00:39:46] <PetefromTn_> I am so freakin' happy right now I can't even tell ya.
[00:39:48] <bobo_> pete where is the all night movie ?
[00:39:52] <PetefromTn_> That was annoying the shit out of me.
[00:43:01] <zeeshan> bobo..
[00:43:04] <zeeshan> i might have found the pull stud
[00:43:06] <bobo_> zeeshan have you tried to clamp a candle in pull stud area ? might
[00:43:24] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEEQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcccp3d.ru%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dattach%26section%3Dattach%26attach_id%3D6622&ei=2vO9VJfnNYypgwSN4YPYBA&usg=AFQjCNH5aD0g8iUoMvfMEWAmNuTqrDy3RA&bvm=bv.83829542,d.eXY
[00:43:50] <zeeshan> 2 kinds in 40t
[00:44:01] <zeeshan> oh one has coolant thru hole
[00:44:43] * PetefromTn_ hehe Awesome... Deleting all my metric freakin' Tool length offsets while laughing maniacally
[00:46:07] <bobo_> great and great
[00:46:53] <bobo_> pull stud and inch tool table
[00:48:20] <zeeshan> haha
[00:50:04] <PetefromTn_> man that is just awesome
[00:50:14] <PetefromTn_> I can't thank you guys enough for all the help
[00:50:57] <PetefromTn_> now all I have to do is figure out how to output a good cutter compensation code from my CAM and I can start using the machine the way it was meant to be used
[00:51:52] <PetefromTn_> I think I STILL need to do some tweaking of my servo tuning for all three axes and I want to experiment a bit more with that
[00:52:01] <PetefromTn_> but it seems to be working as before now
[00:52:33] <PetefromTn_> I may have actually learned something here today about how the damn thing works too.
[00:53:33] <bobo_> pete have you looked at X an Y with halscope ?
[00:54:03] <PetefromTn_> hopefully with what I learned today I can help Brendan get his machine working as well he will probably be able to use my metric setup
[00:54:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah briefly
[00:54:29] <PetefromTn_> the X was not as good as the Z was once I got it sorted still needs some tweaking
[00:54:35] <PetefromTn_> the Y was not bad
[00:54:56] <PetefromTn_> like I said I think I need to spend another couple hours working with it trying to tweak it to be the best it can be.
[00:55:49] <PetefromTn_> I have been measuring tool length offsets from the G59.3 position atop the 123 block
[00:56:22] <PetefromTn_> I typically use the top of Z travel for G59.3 Z0 and then pickup the tool length offsets from that position
[00:57:05] <bobo_> on X try pushingtable when it's moving . see if disterbance shows up on hal scope
[00:57:07] <PetefromTn_> but I am wondering if it should be that the tool length offsets are measured from machine coordinates somehow that way they are based on the homing setup
[00:57:22] <PetefromTn_> I will try that tomorrow.
[00:57:37] <PetefromTn_> Right now I am tired and gonna sit here and chat and watch Star trek LOL
[00:58:23] <PetefromTn_> is it possible to measure the TLO's from machine coordinates somehow?
[00:58:49] <PetefromTn_> like I said the horizontal position is at the right rear corner of the tables travel
[00:59:00] <PetefromTn_> G59.3 G0 X0 Y0
[00:59:01] <bobo_> so where is brendan? working the sheep dip operation?
[00:59:20] <PetefromTn_> dunno he said he was actually going to be here tonight trying to get his machine going.
[00:59:23] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/search?q=stem+height+retention+stud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=7_e9VP_GF8inggTaoIDwCw#q=T58540+stud
[00:59:34] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esve.fr%2Fpages_gb%2Fproduit_detail.php%3F_id%3D494%26niv1%3D4%26niv2%3D303%26niv3%3D%25&ei=9_e9VPbTGYbFggTbvoGIBw&usg=AFQjCNGhbBN6hFb5TF7sQLFFhbSGoOOFtw&bvm=bv.83829542,d.eXY
[00:59:39] <zeeshan> can someone open that second link?
[01:00:05] <PetefromTn_> not opening for me for some reason
[01:00:10] <zeeshan> same here..
[01:00:14] <zeeshan> they have the studs for order there
[01:00:16] <zeeshan> fak.
[01:00:50] <PetefromTn_> my Cinci uses a longish stud kinda like the HAAS machines
[01:01:43] <PetefromTn_> once I get the cutter compensation sorted and working the next goal is spindle orient then finally toolchanger!!
[01:06:07] <bobo_> I can't get that link to open or www esve either
[01:14:36] <bobo_> pete i thought ridgid tapping had to have spindle orentation ?
[01:15:05] <PetefromTn_> it does
[01:15:10] <PetefromTn_> well sort of
[01:15:27] <PetefromTn_> it uses the index pulse to locate and start the movement
[01:15:41] <PetefromTn_> my machine did rigid tap perfectly
[01:16:00] <PetefromTn_> but I have not tested it since just changing this over to imperial native units here tonight.
[01:16:20] <bobo_> oh just not tied into tool change?
[01:16:23] <PetefromTn_> I forgot to check the spindle settings which were not changed
[01:16:42] <PetefromTn_> well I have not actually tried to orient the spindle yet not really sure how.
[01:17:15] <PetefromTn_> Now that the metric conversion to imperial is done I will make sure everything is still working here some more tomorrow and do some more fine tuning.
[01:17:32] <bobo_> wish I knew
[01:17:46] <PetefromTn_> once I am back to making accurate parts and whatnot I will be looking next to get on the spindle orientation setup
[01:18:20] <PetefromTn_> the rest of the toolchanger stuff is already implemented and tested. All of the motors and switches and pneumatic already are proven to work.
[01:19:04] <bobo_> they wired into mesa bds?
[01:19:32] <PetefromTn_> yes like I said all implemented and working
[01:27:18] <PetefromTn_> Well I am tired as hell guys... Headin' to bed. Take it easy.
[02:18:43] <Deejay> moin
[02:48:24] <Computer_Barf> Deejay: let me know when the eggs and bacon are ready
[02:57:28] <CaptHindsight> I thought it wad gravy and biscuits this morning
[02:58:17] <archivist> nope it was crumpets
[02:58:24] <Computer_Barf> http://dudefoods.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BaconWeaveTaco4.jpg
[02:58:37] <Computer_Barf> bacon weave taco!
[03:02:56] <The_Ball_Shed> man that looks good
[03:03:42] <Computer_Barf> I've been walking about 5 miles a day lately , so I can eat whatever I want. I have that on the list.
[03:21:00] <Loetmichel> *bah*... i need more or less coffee.. or some alc... i am shivering like crazy. not goof is jou hane to solder 0805 smt components ;-)
[03:21:08] <Loetmichel> moprnin' btw
[03:21:13] <Loetmichel> mornin
[03:28:46] <archivist> you have a warm soldering iron!
[06:26:14] <unfy> yay, cheap dso arrived! 100mhz 2ch goodnesssssss
[06:26:53] <Bushman> pics or never happen
[06:27:24] <Bushman> my upgrade parts arrived!
[06:27:31] <Bushman> time for small upgrade!
[06:27:40] <unfy> PICS OR NEVER HAPPEN!
[06:29:51] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/Gp5UjHH.jpg
[06:30:24] <unfy> http://imgur.com/SSnMmvc
[06:30:32] <unfy> :P
[06:30:40] <Bushman> ;]
[06:30:53] <Bushman> hey! you didn't unpack it!!!
[06:30:59] <unfy> just starting to
[06:31:02] <Bushman> do it! do it now!!!
[06:31:15] <unfy> those cheap chinese linear bearings or ?
[06:31:23] <Bushman> yup
[06:31:23] <unfy> i'm curious what folks think of the chinese ones etc
[06:31:29] <Bushman> or i think they are
[06:32:21] <Bushman> i can't complain... the two axis i've made with them are decent... the one made with drawer slides is now getting disassembled :P
[06:32:46] <unfy> hehehe i'll be doing the skate board bearings and angle aluminum myself... just cause i want to
[06:32:56] <unfy> the chinese slides will prolly be next go around
[06:33:01] <Bushman> sure, you try that!
[06:33:23] <Bushman> right after you decide it's pain in the ass buy those cheap stuff
[06:33:46] <Bushman> i don't know if mine are chinese or not but i'm sure happy with them
[06:36:04] <Bushman> i'm opgrading the last axis so i can start milling thicked aluminum... then i'll be upgrading the chassis
[06:36:57] <unfy> http://imgur.com/gsWLjo3,TLYzuoO,80OwCJQ#2
[06:37:04] <Bushman> but now i'm starting to see i didn't think all this through..
[06:37:37] <Bushman> i should have used the machine to make new lead screw mounting points for those new rails and bearings are lower profile
[06:37:49] <unfy> well for short axis stuff, the chinese linear stuff is prolly fine. for big heavy stuff, i dunno
[06:37:51] <Bushman> oh well... back to hacksaw XD
[06:37:54] <unfy> :D
[06:38:17] <unfy> and yeah, using the machine to make replacement parts is something i keep reminding myself to do for later
[06:38:23] <unfy> to not get too excited etc :)
[06:38:35] <Bushman> i'm using 16mm rods for 600mm (500mm travel)
[06:39:04] <Bushman> i have 600, 500 and 400mm rods now
[06:39:19] <Bushman> X, Y and Z respectively
[06:39:28] <unfy> \o/
[06:39:47] <Bushman> tho right now Y and X are gonna be temporarly swapped
[06:40:05] <Bushman> cause 600 are in Y right now and i've just got the 500mm ones this morning
[06:40:10] <unfy> i almost wanna keep the bag closed ... just to keep that new kit smell :3
[06:40:26] <Bushman> lol
[06:41:06] <Bushman> punch holes for cables and seal with duct tape LOL
[06:43:01] <unfy> after spending the last 15 years with analog tek's ... this thing is *tiny* lol
[06:43:11] * unfy reads the quick start guide
[06:44:05] <Bushman> yea
[06:44:13] <Bushman> i want one myself
[06:44:23] <Bushman> but so far have no justification to get it
[06:45:02] <unfy> i do my own pcb's and stuff... and after 15 years of doing embedded work and all that - i got f'in tired of not having a scope heh
[06:48:02] <Bushman> well, my dad has a scope next room so i just use his
[06:48:04] <Bushman> :P
[06:48:55] <Bushman> but it would be awesom to have one of those lightweight portable ones that i can tuck in to a shelft or fetch it for a quick fix job at the clients place
[06:50:07] <Bushman> my old couplings are SOOOO ghetto! :D
[06:50:09] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/b7ZEuXk.jpg?1
[06:50:31] <Bushman> new one on the bottom
[06:50:50] <Bushman> rigid one in the background and flexible (rubber hose) one on top
[06:50:51] <unfy> i nearly grabbed a 140/200m sample usb based scope
[06:51:37] <unfy> heheheh ... i skipped the hose or drilling my own couplers and just bought 10 off ebay ...
[06:54:39] <Bushman> the rubber one had some slipp first but i've tightened it down and it works like a charm...
[06:55:23] <Bushman> the rigid one was hell to position properly and transferred all the noise from the motor to the table working like resonance box lol
[06:56:59] <unfy> the rigid one being unforgiving is one of the reasons i decided against making my own - and the rubber version i just had a feeling that i'd find a way to !@*#%( it up
[06:57:03] <unfy> so grads :D
[06:57:07] <unfy> er grats :D
[06:58:14] <Bushman> the rubber ones was tricky... you need the tightest fit hose you can get and smallest band claps
[06:59:48] <unfy> time to turn'er on
[07:23:28] * unfy needs to stop drooling
[07:23:52] <unfy> not having intensity graded display: kinda miss it... but.... digital scope :O
[07:37:47] <archivist> a world without a scope is unthinkable
[07:42:30] <SpeedEvil> It's amusing in a way just how much computation the phosphor in a scope does/did.
[07:42:43] <SpeedEvil> And how many Gops/s you need to replace it well
[07:43:28] <archivist> 1960's sampling scops were rather good for the time
[07:43:35] <unfy> hehe
[07:44:18] <archivist> I still have one
[07:44:22] <unfy> i'll admit, i noticed the delay on display update when fiddling - but uhhhhhh who bloody cares. it's also not atrocious like some of the other dso's have been shown to be.
[07:44:33] <unfy> but, it's also a couple years old and has matured a bit :D
[07:45:51] <archivist> my only digital is a logic analyser with scope plugins
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCTM/EQ/2009_01_01_a/IMG_9999.JPG
[07:46:34] <unfy> hehehehe
[07:47:04] <unfy> i'll still stick with my justification of not caring about packet decode stuff on this -- that's what a LA is for
[07:47:22] <unfy> and, hp color la *drool*
[07:48:07] <unfy> bushmna: gotta ask -- new motor couplers mean ya gotta move motor plate further away ? :D
[07:48:12] <unfy> bushman that is
[07:50:53] <The_Ball> archivist, wow that looks so expensive, once upon a time
[07:51:09] <Rab> archivist, my friend has an ooold Tek digitizing scope with magnetic core memory. You can turn it on and call up the last recorded waveform, probably from the '80s.
[07:52:04] <archivist> The_Ball, £56 on ebay needed the led touch screen cleaning
[07:52:16] <archivist> badly described too :)
[07:52:40] <archivist> Rab, are you it is that young? model?
[07:53:14] <The_Ball> archivist, good for you, that's a steal
[07:54:00] <Rab> archivist, I don't recall.
[07:54:06] <archivist> a bit annoyning all the inputs are on the rear
[07:54:47] <Rab> The scope itself, maybe early '70s?
[07:57:21] <archivist> if the model was 7912 then it was in the tube
[08:06:45] <Bushman> unfy: no, look on the picture... the coupler is acrually SHORTER than old ones
[08:06:52] <Bushman> *actually
[08:07:15] <Bushman> the motor plates can stay where they are ;]
[08:07:37] <Bushman> all i have to do is to adjust how deep the lead screw is moved into the coupler
[08:07:54] <Bushman> and since i have PLENTY of spare lenght i can move it around all i want
[08:07:56] <Bushman> ;]
[08:11:01] <unfy> awesome
[08:11:04] <unfy> was kinda hard to tell :D
[08:12:33] <Bushman> to be honest i'm lazy so i've ordered 8/6.35mm couplers to fit them directly on the motor shaft AND M8 threded rod that works as my makeshift lead screw
[08:13:15] <unfy> out of curiosity, did you try 5/16's as a cheap lead screw ?
[08:15:00] <Bushman> sorry mate, Europe here... imperial stuff is hard to get
[08:15:04] <Bushman> :P
[08:15:08] <unfy> hehehehe
[08:15:46] <unfy> well, with the skateboard bearings being 8mm - am wondering how the slightly undersized 5/16 will treat me... or if should just pick up some M8 stuff
[08:16:07] <SpeedEvil> unfy: shim with coke cans
[08:16:31] <unfy> they'll chatter that much ?
[08:17:47] <SpeedEvil> Oh - it's nominally the other way
[08:21:50] <unfy> 5/16 rod into 8mm bearing. should have just so tiny lil bit of wiggle. i don't think i'm gonna care.
[08:22:12] <SpeedEvil> skateboard bearing
[08:22:21] <SpeedEvil> I suspect that's going to have some slop of its own
[08:22:52] <archivist> eccentric mount to remove play
[08:23:21] <unfy> oh, they do (slop)
[08:23:42] <unfy> some worse than others.... which... is why i bought > 100 of them heh
[08:24:41] <unfy> why have just a little bit of poop when you can have ALOT of poop!
[08:26:02] <unfy> hm, disc that came with scope is a cdr >_>
[08:30:39] <Bushman> oh man, i'm so unfocused today...
[08:30:52] <Bushman> i've traced 8 bearings while i only have 4 lol
[08:30:58] <SpeedEvil> '' last 30 years
[08:31:10] <unfy> lol
[08:31:39] <Bushman> i've noticed it after drilling 2 holes to much in a row... i was like "wait a minute, why is there so many holes?" XD
[08:33:05] <archivist> I made something the other day, drilled all the way through, I wondered how the original was done, oops, make another
[08:42:17] <Bushman> damn... i'm going on auto-pilot
[08:42:59] <Bushman> "oops! i did it again!" should play now -_-'
[08:43:21] * unfy facepalms
[08:44:03] <Bushman> i was driling bigger diameter on the bottom to hide screw heads... i did it for the wrong holes too, even tho i didn't have to -_-'
[08:44:53] * archivist giggles
[08:46:25] <Bushman> fits perfect ;]
[08:50:09] <unfy> \o/
[08:51:58] <Bushman> my crypto-OCD is itching...
[08:52:12] <Bushman> one of the bearings is more shiny XD
[08:53:56] <jdh> CDO
[08:54:26] <Bushman> the other side is a tight fit... one of the holes must be off by more than 0.5mm XD
[08:54:41] <Bushman> not bad for an eye-balled job XD
[08:59:21] <ssi> marn
[09:21:49] <unfy> i need to stop fucking around with scope and *work*
[09:21:53] <unfy> it's been 4 hours heh
[09:22:24] <unfy> currently feeding an AVR toggling an LED line @ 2.6mhz etc
[09:22:44] <Bushman> heh
[09:23:01] <unfy> the ground bounce, the ringing, all of it. yay!
[09:23:03] <Bushman> i'm finishing up bolting the rails to the table top
[09:23:39] <unfy> how much slop did the drawer cabinet rails have ?
[09:24:16] <Bushman> they were quite ok
[09:24:29] <Bushman> no play at all
[09:24:46] <Bushman> but the wooden supports were flexible :P
[09:24:56] <unfy> hehehehe
[09:24:59] <unfy> so "good enough" :D
[09:25:37] <Bushman> for things 0.1 it was perfect
[09:25:52] <Bushman> anything more precise and i could see ripples
[09:25:56] <Bushman> i'll show you
[09:26:20] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/4Xx2KQ2.jpg
[09:26:29] <Bushman> see the ripples?
[09:26:37] <unfy> indeed
[09:26:39] <Bushman> that's 1mm slots btw
[09:27:35] <Bushman> i'm sure i could get rid of this by making the lead screw mounts better
[09:28:08] <Bushman> and i'm gonna have to make them as a first thing made on the new rails
[09:28:32] <Bushman> then i can try the high precision stuff again
[09:28:46] <Bushman> possibly with 0.5mm cutter
[09:35:08] <unfy> i wanna take it apart ._.
[09:35:15] <unfy> i wanna know what the front end is like and stuff
[09:35:18] <unfy> waaaaah :P
[09:36:40] <archivist> I got told I should never marry because the first thing I would do is take her to bits to see how she worked
[09:36:51] <unfy> heheheheh
[09:52:11] <Bushman> hehehe
[09:58:56] <Rickta59> that would be a first ( figuring out how women work )
[09:59:39] <cradek> ugh
[10:18:23] <Bushman> maybe we don't know cause no one has ever take one apart?
[10:21:16] <unfy> oh, plenty of people have
[10:21:37] <unfy> but they're usually in jail or taken apart themselves
[10:21:43] <Bushman> but are you sure all of them weren't women themself?
[10:23:18] <Bushman> ok, i've just seriously nerfed my machine
[10:23:41] <Bushman> i totally forgot the table would run into the motor if i'll lower it anymore
[10:23:49] <Bushman> the new rails are 5mm lower
[10:24:47] <Bushman> i have to make not only new lead screw bearings holders but also motor plate
[10:24:54] <Bushman> problems problems problems ;/
[10:24:59] <jdh> what's the envelope?
[10:25:17] <Bushman> i really need to stop fooling around and design the 2.0v
[10:25:26] <Bushman> envelope?
[10:25:33] <Bushman> you mean working area?
[10:25:38] <jdh> yes
[10:25:54] <unfy> oi
[10:26:02] <Bushman> by design it's 500x400x300mm
[10:26:05] <unfy> 5mm worth of washers j/k
[10:26:16] <Bushman> unfy: hehe
[10:26:42] <Bushman> i might actually move the stationary bearings up wth 5mm sheet metal
[10:27:16] <Bushman> just drill holes through for the already existing screws and slide it in between base plate and the bearings
[10:29:55] <Bushman> i just need to find some 5mm thick scraps of sheet metal now XD
[10:30:32] <archivist> gauge plate
[10:36:31] <Bushman> ok, got some 6mm acrylic for now...
[10:37:04] <Bushman> should work till i machine new bearings and motor holders
[11:03:40] <PetefromTn_> morning folks!
[11:46:48] <zeeshan> hi!
[11:49:17] <PetefromTn_> hey zeesh
[12:43:47] <PetefromTn_> well I called Standard Modern in Canada about a week ago and asked if they could provide me with information about the cnc lathe and they told me they would get back to me...
[12:43:53] <PetefromTn_> they never called back LOL
[12:43:57] <PetefromTn_> so I tried again today
[12:44:06] <PetefromTn_> and finally got someone to call me back
[12:44:33] <PetefromTn_> he seemed familiar with the machine and knew the control manufacturer which is anilam
[12:44:55] <PetefromTn_> and he is apparently going to try to get me the information on the original spindle motor.
[12:45:14] <PetefromTn_> we will see if he actually gets back to me but he seemed like he would.
[12:46:02] <zeeshan> you need to know the motor frame specs?
[12:46:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah it would be nice to know the type of motor that it came with.
[12:46:37] <PetefromTn_> I have as yet been unable to determine it other than the fact that it was face mounted..
[12:53:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: a friend of mine offered me 3500 for my cnc lathe
[12:53:15] * zeeshan is wondering if i can find a slant bed!
[12:53:16] <PetefromTn_> that would be a cheap price..
[12:53:20] <zeeshan> lathes arent cheap up here
[12:53:22] <zeeshan> cnc
[12:53:33] <zeeshan> i hate my lathe because of the tool changer
[12:53:45] <zeeshan> the cross slide will never be big enough to hold enough tools
[12:54:06] <zeeshan> and having two live spindles
[12:54:10] <zeeshan> REALLY makes a hell of a differenc on a lathe
[12:54:41] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah live tooling is a BIG deal but usually the realm of very large and expensive machinery
[12:54:43] <zeeshan> http://www.rohnermachinery.com/photos/0700_3.jpg
[12:54:47] <zeeshan> this is absolutely SEX
[12:55:06] <malcom2073> I wish I had a lathe
[12:55:16] <malcom2073> I'm not actually entirley sure why
[12:55:27] <zeeshan> yea PetefromTn_
[12:55:29] <zeeshan> im not gonna sell this
[12:55:34] <malcom2073> Other than I have an urge to see that machine in action... to the youtube!
[12:55:34] <zeeshan> unless i find something much much better
[12:55:35] <PetefromTn_> I would love to have a nice big slant bed but honestly for what I do this flatbed will be perfect...
[12:55:36] <zeeshan> this works well
[12:55:44] <zeeshan> it just takes longer
[12:55:49] <zeeshan> i hate flipping a part in the lathe
[12:55:53] <zeeshan> reindicating it
[12:55:58] <zeeshan> i need to buy more collets.
[12:56:13] <PetefromTn_> do you have a collet closer on it?
[12:56:18] <zeeshan> no
[12:56:24] <zeeshan> i shoulda written
[12:56:26] <zeeshan> i need a collet chuck!
[12:56:27] <PetefromTn_> that is a big deal for small parts
[12:56:38] <PetefromTn_> no you don't want a collet chuck
[12:56:38] <malcom2073> So, a lathe like that can turn one side, grab the turned side then turn the other, yeah? Is there any equivalant to that on a mill?
[12:56:43] <PetefromTn_> you want a pneumatic closer...
[12:57:10] <PetefromTn_> that way you can maybe even bar feed small round stock
[12:57:24] <zeeshan> i forgot the spindle bore on this thing
[12:57:29] <zeeshan> 1-7/8?
[12:57:41] <PetefromTn_> wow that is bigger than mine was
[12:57:52] <zeeshan> Spindle bore: 1 7/16"
[12:57:57] <zeeshan> off by half an inch
[12:57:57] <PetefromTn_> I think mine was like 1.5 or something
[12:57:57] <zeeshan> haha
[12:58:08] <zeeshan> 1.4375
[12:58:20] <zeeshan> you had the exact same lathe as me
[12:58:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are all basically the same in that size
[12:58:41] <PetefromTn_> good little machine
[12:58:45] <zeeshan> yes!
[12:58:58] <zeeshan> im happy that it can do .5" doc in 6061
[12:59:03] <zeeshan> i just dont like the manual intervention
[12:59:12] <zeeshan> of having to reindicate parts
[12:59:17] <zeeshan> most of the parts ive been making are two sided
[12:59:31] <zeeshan> i have gotten around by using rh and lh tools
[12:59:45] <zeeshan> but after parting
[12:59:56] <zeeshan> i dont seem to ever get a precise overall length
[13:00:02] <zeeshan> so i need to refinish the overall length.
[13:00:06] <PetefromTn_> that is where a collet stop is nice.
[13:01:16] <PetefromTn_> even with my hamfisted quick setup on that little 5c collet closer I machined those standoffs and rigid tapped them and faced them to length within .002 or so and I was not even trying to be real consistent on length
[13:01:41] * zeeshan needs one!
[13:02:37] <PetefromTn_> this is all just cheap stuff. The collet stop is from shars and it is actually pretty decent unlike some of the stuff I got from them..
[13:03:02] <PetefromTn_> I plan to make or buy a nice collet closer for the Standard Modern lathe.
[13:03:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: where did you get your cat40 stuff from?
[13:03:30] <zeeshan> i was looking at the shars.
[13:03:35] <zeeshan> they claim 1 tenths tir
[13:03:44] <zeeshan> i don't know whether to believe that or not.
[13:03:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly while I would love a nice big sub spindle live tooled CNC slant bed that is just not in the cards right now unless I want to buy a real old beat up one..
[13:03:54] <zeeshan> i was planning to get glacern cat40 tool holders, but guess what? they'r;e made in taiwan.
[13:04:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are all bascially made in china now even the good ones...
[13:04:14] <zeeshan> so if theyre going to be from taiwan
[13:04:27] <zeeshan> might as well get shars!
[13:04:29] <PetefromTn_> I got mine from that niucume guy CME tools...
[13:04:30] <zeeshan> maritools makes them in usa.
[13:04:38] <PetefromTn_> do they?
[13:04:44] <zeeshan> yes theyre about 105$
[13:04:49] <PetefromTn_> I heard different ideas about that
[13:04:56] <PetefromTn_> would not doubt it.
[13:05:01] <zeeshan> the fact theyre made in usa doesn't mean anything
[13:05:01] <PetefromTn_> They make QUALITY stuff
[13:05:12] <zeeshan> ive seen some real shit stuff made in usa too
[13:05:16] <PetefromTn_> I have been very pleased with everything I have purchased from them
[13:05:35] <zeeshan> well ill try them out
[13:05:41] <zeeshan> i was thinking when i order my pull studs from mari
[13:05:44] <PetefromTn_> my toolholders are low priced chinese made but so far have not been a problem and I make some nice parts with them
[13:05:46] <zeeshan> order 1 of their tool holders and collet
[13:05:53] <zeeshan> and order the shars 5 pack deal w/ 5 collets
[13:05:56] <zeeshan> and compare them
[13:06:06] <zeeshan> if theyre the same
[13:06:10] <zeeshan> im grabbing shars :P
[13:06:15] <PetefromTn_> I hear good things about the shars ones..
[13:06:25] <zeeshan> really? thats good to know
[13:06:25] <PetefromTn_> the last shop I worked in had a bunch of them
[13:06:31] <zeeshan> i tried to search online for reviews
[13:06:34] <PetefromTn_> never really noticed any problems..
[13:06:38] <zeeshan> and for some goddamn reason, peoplpe don't review them
[13:06:45] <zeeshan> they just get into made in usa made in china arguement, every single damn time
[13:06:47] <zeeshan> so annoying
[13:07:00] <PetefromTn_> I bought what I could afford.
[13:07:07] <PetefromTn_> and I have been more than pleased so far
[13:07:11] <zeeshan> weell their moto is you can always afford more
[13:07:14] <zeeshan> if you save up long enough haha
[13:07:23] <zeeshan> my moto is
[13:07:30] <zeeshan> if a certain country can make it cheaper and better. buy from them.
[13:07:36] <zeeshan> you focus on what you're good at
[13:07:41] <PetefromTn_> I will probably buy more of these ER20 holders in a five pack from CME tools here at some point.
[13:07:56] <PetefromTn_> I find them very useful.
[13:08:05] <PetefromTn_> I use the ER32 for the bigger bits
[13:08:25] <PetefromTn_> but the small ones can get into tighter places easier without worrying about clamps and hitting things.
[13:08:34] <PetefromTn_> that ER32 nut is really wide
[13:08:37] <zeeshan> http://www.cme-tools.com/cgi-bin/store/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&sb=0&so=ascend&view_records=view_records&keyword=er32&view_records.x=0&view_records.y=0&nh=12&mh=1
[13:08:41] <zeeshan> wow thats expensive from cme dude
[13:09:03] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-CAT40-ER32-COLLET-CHUCKS-4-Pc-CHUCKS-5-Pc-COLLETS-PACKAGE-NEW-/350493925879
[13:09:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah you gotta get them from his ebay store..
[13:09:18] <zeeshan> basically 200 bux w/ shipping
[13:09:20] <zeeshan> that stuff is CHEAP!!
[13:09:23] <PetefromTn_> he sells that same basic kit
[13:09:36] <PetefromTn_> 5 tool holders for like $150.00 or something like that.
[13:09:43] <zeeshan> whats his name?
[13:09:45] <zeeshan> on ebay
[13:11:42] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT40-ER32-COLLET-CHUCK-4-CHUCKS-/160543567645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2561246f1d
[13:12:24] <PetefromTn_> http://stores.ebay.com/cmetools/CNC-Tooling-End-Mill-Holders-/_i.html?_fsub=4
[13:13:35] <PetefromTn_> that is the guy I bought MOST of my tool holders from.. so far so good.
[13:13:44] <zeeshan> thank u
[13:13:54] <PetefromTn_> I am sure there are better ones out there but can't beat the prices and I have been pleased so far.
[13:14:09] <PetefromTn_> is your machine cat40?
[13:14:14] <zeeshan> no
[13:14:16] <zeeshan> but ill convert to it
[13:14:19] <zeeshan> w/ the approrpiate pull stud
[13:14:28] <zeeshan> im pretty sure i found what pull stud it needs
[13:14:29] <PetefromTn_> so it is BT40
[13:14:35] <zeeshan> yes
[13:14:39] <zeeshan> sk40 they call it
[13:14:39] <PetefromTn_> OK
[13:14:40] <PetefromTn_> same shit
[13:14:41] <zeeshan> same taper
[13:14:50] <PetefromTn_> I like the Cat tooling
[13:15:01] <PetefromTn_> it is pretty easy to work with.
[13:15:27] <PetefromTn_> I made a nice little Cat40 holder fixture and have a program and drawing for it if you want to make one..
[13:15:45] <PetefromTn_> it is machined from3/4 6061 barstock
[13:15:53] <zeeshan> can you not just set the tool in the machine?
[13:16:05] <zeeshan> or are you talking about when you need to tighten the pull stud
[13:16:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah loading tools and pullstuds in the holders on the bench
[13:16:26] <zeeshan> nice
[13:16:30] <zeeshan> i could use that :)
[13:16:34] <PetefromTn_> you gotta put some ass on them to be sure you get it tight..
[13:16:35] <zeeshan> first test run!
[13:16:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah man it is the first part I made on the Cinci LOL
[13:18:19] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/4SlSpzU.jpg
[13:20:52] <zeeshan> ooo thats sexy
[13:20:56] <zeeshan> pete i have a dumb quesiton for you
[13:21:13] <zeeshan> to machine a part like that with a fancy outer contour like that
[13:21:33] <zeeshan> you cant obviously hold it in a vise cause otherwise you're machining the vise too
[13:21:40] <rob_h> hi peter u got it all working fine now then
[13:21:42] <zeeshan> do you bolt it down to a fixture plate that your vise holds?
[13:21:57] <PetefromTn_> rob_h YEAH MAN!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
[13:22:17] <rob_h> grate
[13:22:32] <cradek> zeeshan: you just roll your eyes and stop the program after it's done with the important internal features
[13:22:38] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan well depends. that part I actually drilled and tapped those holes into a sacrificial plate and then drilled the part while clamped down using strap clamps.
[13:22:53] <zeeshan> cradek: haha
[13:22:59] <PetefromTn_> then I bolted it down to the substrate
[13:23:05] <PetefromTn_> and machined the rest of the features
[13:23:39] <PetefromTn_> if you had thicker stock what I normally try to do is hold onto like .1" or .2" in the vise and machine the whole part down to the depth
[13:23:58] <PetefromTn_> then flip the whole thing over and face off the bottom flashing leaving just the part
[13:24:06] <zeeshan> ah
[13:24:23] <PetefromTn_> I only had 3/4 stock so I had to bolt it down
[13:24:35] <rob_h> you get to make alot of chips fast too when you face mill ;)
[13:24:43] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man
[13:24:54] <zeeshan> .1" deep psssht!
[13:24:58] <zeeshan> only one pass
[13:24:58] <zeeshan> !
[13:25:00] <PetefromTn_> a good facemill makes TONS of chips..
[13:25:07] <PetefromTn_> two actually
[13:25:17] <PetefromTn_> one rough and one to make it pretty ;)
[13:25:20] <zeeshan> haha
[13:25:27] <zeeshan> dude some of those sexy face mills
[13:25:35] <zeeshan> the finish they leave during roughing in my opinion is sexy!
[13:25:49] <PetefromTn_> I NEED to invest in a quality facemill..
[13:25:56] <PetefromTn_> probably a 3" model
[13:26:06] <PetefromTn_> maybe a seco
[13:26:10] <rob_h> 50/60mm facemill does 90% of stuff i find
[13:26:15] <zeeshan> i have a mitsu
[13:26:36] <zeeshan> its okay.. but istill thing with this type of face mill
[13:26:43] <zeeshan> you really need to sit down and ensure all the inserts are at the same level
[13:26:49] <zeeshan> on like a granite table or something
[13:27:02] <zeeshan> *think
[13:27:16] <PetefromTn_> does it just have clamps and not pockets that make it fit precisely?
[13:27:45] <jdh> how close are different batches of inserts?
[13:28:01] <rob_h> from the same make pritty dam good
[13:28:03] <jdh> when you wear one side and rotate, does it still nest the same?
[13:28:12] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: it holds them pretty accurately
[13:28:14] <PetefromTn_> if it is a good quality one it does..
[13:28:18] <zeeshan> but the inserts vary by a couple tenths
[13:28:18] <rob_h> they do say tho if using other insert makes you should use there screw also..
[13:28:27] <rob_h> turning u find that more so
[13:29:14] <PetefromTn_> it is also a good idea to invest in one of those ratchet torx torque screwdrivers for the inserts screws.
[13:29:49] <PetefromTn_> those little screws are a bitch and easy to bugger up.
[13:30:18] <rob_h> use the SEK 45deg aproach alot as uses not much power and is posative cutting
[13:30:32] <rob_h> then use the APKTs for sholder milling alot
[13:30:49] <PetefromTn_> rob_h now that I have the imperial measurements in the native system on the machine I can start playing with cutter compensation with my programs...
[13:31:01] <jdh> Pete: got it all converted?
[13:31:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[13:31:07] <PetefromTn_> last night
[13:31:08] <jdh> cool
[13:31:15] <PetefromTn_> thanks to Rob and PCW and Zeehsan
[13:31:21] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan
[13:31:31] <zeeshan> :D
[13:31:38] <PetefromTn_> next challenge is SPINDLE ORIENT!!!!
[13:31:42] <rob_h> yea we only use cutter comp here now days for tweaking sizes... when programed mostly online yea we programed real numbers then put comp on
[13:32:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah basically in the shops I worked in here it is INTEGRAL to use cutter comp for making accurate parts...
[13:32:41] <PetefromTn_> they program to the size and then offset the cutter comp and then make adjustments on the machine to creep up on critical dimensions..
[13:33:03] <jdh> you do that after CAMing the part to nominal?
[13:33:57] <PetefromTn_> like I said we program the CAM to the actual part dimension.. then if it is critical dimension we change the diameter of the cutter at the machine to cut short and then adjust cutter diameter again to creep up on the dimension
[13:34:32] <rob_h> can use comp as a offset adjustment if you like , or you can use it for the cutter size in use.. so if you can cutter just change comp.. plus can tweak with it.. its main two ways you can use it at least
[13:34:38] <PetefromTn_> if it is a couple tenths tol we do this but if it is like .005 or so just run it..
[13:35:18] <jdh> adjust cutter comp. So you go through the CAM'ed code and add the G41/G42?
[13:35:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah it allows you to run a part with a different sized cutter than programmed too if you tweak it.. never done that much but it is an option.
[13:35:46] <PetefromTn_> no just adjust the tool table
[13:36:29] <jdh> so G41/G42 are already in the CAMed code?
[13:36:52] <rob_h> ye
[13:37:00] <rob_h> most cams u can ask comp on or off
[13:37:13] <PetefromTn_> rob_h I am curious, do you generally leave the tool table diameters at zero and make your adjustments in whatever small increments you need or do you make the tool table diameter the size of the tool and adjust that number?
[13:37:29] <PetefromTn_> jdh yeah it will be once I get it setup right.
[13:38:02] <rob_h> we use it as a trimmer so zero all the time, then if we need to tweak we adjust the D number in the TBL by the ammount
[13:38:07] <roycroft> i have a bunch of 120 degree spot drills arriving today with my tooling order
[13:38:17] <roycroft> no more center drills for starting holes in my mill
[13:38:21] <rob_h> its how we use it on all our machines fanuc or what ever.. then after the job just clear them all
[13:38:46] <PetefromTn_> ok so you do not input the actual diameters just leave them all zero and adjust only the change you need.
[13:38:48] <PetefromTn_> nice
[13:39:06] <PetefromTn_> roycroft excellent man that is how it is done... center drills are for lathes man LOL
[13:39:15] <roycroft> it's odd
[13:39:21] <roycroft> i was taught to use center drills in the mill
[13:39:34] <roycroft> and my instructor was pretty meticulous
[13:39:42] <roycroft> but it was a college shop program
[13:39:42] <rob_h> just been drilling holes today in pre hard tool steel, Carbide drills no C/Drill stright in :)
[13:39:50] <roycroft> they probably didn't have the budget for both
[13:40:08] <roycroft> i've never used spot drills before, but i anticipate good results
[13:40:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah man carbide drills can kick ass and they even sometimes recommend you do not spot drill depending on the grind.
[13:40:11] <jdh> you don't spot with carbide bits do you?
[13:40:18] <roycroft> sometimes with a center drill the twist drill will grab a little at first
[13:40:22] <roycroft> i expect that problem to go away
[13:40:32] <jdh> wrong angle from a center drill
[13:40:36] <roycroft> yup
[13:40:48] <roycroft> and the spot drills are 2 degrees wider than the twist drills
[13:40:54] <roycroft> so they should work brilliantly
[13:41:05] <jdh> I use the remaining good side of my center drills, if there is one.
[13:41:47] <rob_h> bk later
[13:41:55] <PetefromTn_> cya
[13:42:01] <PetefromTn_> thanks again man
[13:42:26] <jdh> I think I have destroyed all my small ones.
[13:42:54] <roycroft> it sucks getting old - my eyes are really shot
[13:43:07] <roycroft> i have a bunch of 4-40 blind holes to drill and tap
[13:43:13] <roycroft> i did some a couple days ago
[13:43:31] <roycroft> but last night, on the first one, i grabbed a bottom tap instead of a starter tap because i couldn't see the difference
[13:43:36] <roycroft> and of course it broke off
[13:44:07] <roycroft> second tap i've broken in a month, and it's been years since i've broken a tap before then
[13:44:23] <PetefromTn_> sucks to break a tap
[13:44:30] <PetefromTn_> 4-40 is a bitch
[13:44:31] <roycroft> it does, which is why i rarely do so
[13:44:35] <roycroft> i know how much it sucks
[13:44:37] <jdh> my sacrificial plate I use has a couple of broken taps stuck in it.
[13:44:41] <roycroft> yes, i'm probably going to just remake the part
[13:44:46] <roycroft> which will take about 3 hours
[13:45:00] <roycroft> but a 4-40 in a blind hole i might never get out
[13:45:03] <jdh> what material?
[13:45:07] <roycroft> mild steel
[13:45:22] <jdh> edm it out
[13:45:32] <roycroft> sure, if i had anedm
[13:45:44] <roycroft> i've been meaning to make one, but so far i haven't
[13:45:45] <jdh> just think, if you had one, you could break taps all teh time.
[13:45:59] <PetefromTn_> I always thought a broken tap was a death sentence for the part but working in the shops locally they usually program a .0005 peck drilling op with a carbide drill after grinding a flat on top
[13:46:22] <PetefromTn_> it goes right thru em
[13:46:28] <PetefromTn_> even a 4-40
[13:46:30] <roycroft> sure
[13:46:40] <roycroft> if it's not difficult to grind a flat on top
[13:46:46] <PetefromTn_> its getting the little bits out that is a bitch
[13:46:47] <roycroft> and if you have no spindle runout
[13:47:18] <roycroft> it broke off below the surface, making the grinding the flat thing a little problematic
[13:47:19] <PetefromTn_> I have seen them do it even when they could not reach the top and grind
[13:47:40] <roycroft> the broken tap is on a corner of the part
[13:47:41] <PetefromTn_> they usually start with a carbide endmill center cutting
[13:47:56] <roycroft> i might cut it out, weld a piece of 1/4" steel in, and mill it back down
[13:47:59] <roycroft> that would take less than 3 hours
[13:48:16] <PetefromTn_> if it is steel we would usually cut it out and tig weld it back together..
[13:49:03] <roycroft> the piece that has the blind hole in it is 0.220 thick, so a piece of 1/4" would be fine
[13:49:07] <roycroft> 0.220"
[13:49:17] <PetefromTn_> it depends on the part, the material, and the amount of time it will take to remedy it as well as how much time has already been invested in the part.
[13:49:33] <roycroft> ~3 hours to remake the part
[13:49:53] <roycroft> i know i can patch a piece of steel in in less time than that
[13:50:21] <jdh> drill it oversize and plug it?
[13:50:31] <SpeedEvil> jb-weld
[13:50:35] <roycroft> well there's not much room to drill it oversize
[13:50:39] <cradek> unless it's stuck in steel, rust it out with alum
[13:50:44] <roycroft> because i'm drilling into the end of the piece
[13:50:45] <cradek> we just talked about this recently :-)
[13:50:47] <jdh> it's stuck in steel
[13:50:50] <cradek> arg
[13:51:06] <roycroft> which is 0.220" thick
[13:53:12] <roycroft> that was the start of last night
[13:53:29] <roycroft> i decided to just put that part aside and drill/tap the rest of them, and come back to it today
[13:53:40] <roycroft> when i get frustrated i don't work as well
[13:54:09] <roycroft> so i've learned to not deal with problems like that right away
[13:54:33] <roycroft> but i have that today, and soldering some ss to mild steel, which i've never done
[13:54:38] <roycroft> it should be an interesting afternoon
[13:55:09] <roycroft> my past attempts at soldering ss have not gone well
[13:55:28] <roycroft> but this time will be great!
[13:57:14] * roycroft compensates for his lack of skill and experience with a positive attitude
[13:57:28] <PetefromTn_> jeez man
[13:57:40] <PetefromTn_> I just heard back from the folks at Standard MOdern
[13:57:59] <PetefromTn_> apparently that spindle motor was made by Custom SErvo Motors inc and was a 3 speed motor.
[13:58:09] <PetefromTn_> they gave me the model number
[13:58:12] <PetefromTn_> I googled it...
[13:58:16] <PetefromTn_> NOTHING came up.
[13:59:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh well I guess I am on my own with this one..
[14:00:22] <rob_h> why you have an EDM is it not for broken taps only
[14:00:52] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:01:48] <roycroft> it can be used when you want to do random milling without purchasing any tooling
[14:02:18] <rob_h> o like them long deep narrow slots in this mold tool we are doing right now ;)
[14:03:04] <PetefromTn_> rob_h how many linuxCNC machines do you guys have there?
[14:03:43] <rob_h> not enougth is the answer right
[14:03:54] <PetefromTn_> heh
[14:04:30] <rob_h> 1 VMC currently, 3 Lathes, 2x Multi turret hardinge, 1x CHNC2 hardinge
[14:04:55] <rob_h> wondering wether to convert one of the other VMCs at moment now
[14:05:23] <rob_h> there is a 4 axis lathe with power tooling waiting for my TLC
[14:05:50] <PetefromTn_> wow
[14:05:52] <PetefromTn_> nice
[14:05:56] <rob_h> i did think about converting our big Dean Smith and grace lathe which has a philips right now
[14:06:17] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[14:06:19] <rob_h> 500mm chuck, gearbox etc so you can take some nice cuts on that and remove steel no problem
[14:06:22] <PetefromTn_> gotta pickup my kids
[14:06:31] <rob_h> k
[14:07:30] <rob_h> if you check the vids on youtube ull see pritty much all of them converted in action, and we use them daily also
[15:01:17] <zeeshan> heoaheaohae
[15:01:24] <zeeshan> message: 0x2 0x30 0x31 0x30 0x36 0x46 0x30 0x30 0x31 0x37 0x30 0xd response: 0x2 0x30 0x31 0x6 0x30 0x30 0x30 0x30
[15:01:29] <zeeshan> its talking to me!!!
[15:01:36] <zeeshan> and giving good information!
[15:07:36] <PetefromTn_> Back again!
[15:17:19] <PetefromTn_> if the Enterprise starship is the flagship of the United Federation of Planets.....why does the hull numbers not say UFP 1701 instead of NCC 1701? LOL just sayin'
[15:18:35] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[15:19:52] <PetefromTn_> Here's another puzzler for you guys...
[15:20:25] <PetefromTn_> I have tried TWICE now to install the rear view mirror in my bronco with two different adhesives and followed the directions explicitly..
[15:20:31] <PetefromTn_> and they both still fell off..
[15:20:43] <PetefromTn_> is there a secret sauce?
[15:22:10] <SpeedEvil> what materials?
[15:22:21] <PetefromTn_> ?
[15:22:54] <jdh> mirror and plastic?
[15:22:59] <skunkworks> glass and steel I would guess.
[15:23:20] <PetefromTn_> no it is that little tombstone shaped piece of metal and the windshield glass..
[15:23:27] <jdh> heh, good luck with that.
[15:23:31] <CaptHindsight> both surfaces have to be really clean
[15:23:44] <PetefromTn_> I even sanded that little bastard smooth and left some light scratches to help adhesion..
[15:24:03] <PetefromTn_> the second time it actually stuck for like three days
[15:24:22] <PetefromTn_> we got a big cold snap and I came outside and found it lying on the floor of the truck heh
[15:26:06] <CaptHindsight> but the duct tape you used to hold it in place while the adhesive cured stayed on :)
[15:26:24] <PetefromTn_> just bought this permatex kit hopefully will have better luck this time.
[15:26:35] <PetefromTn_> last one was made by loctite
[15:26:47] <CaptHindsight> you need to use epoxies at high enough temps
[15:26:48] <PetefromTn_> one before was O'reilleys auto parts brand
[15:27:09] <CaptHindsight> if they get too cold they won't polymerize well
[15:27:09] <PetefromTn_> maybe I need to just drill a damn hole and screw it on lol
[15:27:23] <CaptHindsight> 70F or warmer
[15:34:42] <PetefromTn_> well then it will be awhile before I have a rearview mirror then hehe
[15:36:59] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did the adhesive stick more to the glass or to the metal?
[15:37:51] <PetefromTn_> dunno really. it is supposed to only be one drop on the metal and you press and hold it to the glass..
[15:38:09] <PetefromTn_> when I did it the second time it seemed to really lock down even after a couple seconds
[15:38:24] <PetefromTn_> the first time it took awhile to kinda setup and it failed quickly
[15:39:52] <PetefromTn_> the guy at the auto parts store recommended I scuff the glass with some fine sandpaper in the spot where it will be glued and the clean the crap out of it.
[15:44:37] <cradek> none of those work. go to a windshield place and give them a $20 to do it.
[15:44:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah...not a bad idea
[15:45:13] <DaViruz> i've had pretty good results with UV harderning glass glue
[15:45:52] <PetefromTn_> the guy at the auto parts store recommended a 60 second epoxy made for glass...
[15:50:24] <PetefromTn_> anyone good with international shipping rates?
[15:52:05] <PetefromTn_> nevermind Figured it out.
[16:53:00] <Deejay> gn8
[17:01:25] <roycroft> enco must know i need an rma
[17:01:32] <roycroft> usually when i call them i get through right away
[17:01:38] <roycroft> today i've been on hold for about 10 minutes so far
[18:05:49] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i just used a kit from the auto store and never had any problems
[18:06:05] <Tom_itx> don't scratch the glass first
[18:06:14] <Tom_itx> clean it with acetone or something like that
[18:09:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah man already did that twice now and cleaned the shit out of it... still freakin fell off.
[18:13:31] <PetefromTn_> we'll see how this permatex stuff works now I guess..
[19:32:10] <Jymmm> Any suggestion on where to get a cheap 80cf nitrogen tank from?
[19:32:32] <XXCoder> Build a air liquidifer
[19:32:39] <XXCoder> oh TANK nm heh
[19:39:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I find them on Craigslist
[19:40:46] <PetefromTn_> whaddya need a nitrogen tank for?
[20:44:01] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/MUBcp7U.png
[20:44:04] <zeeshan> i dunno how you programmers do it
[20:44:10] <zeeshan> im going crazy looking at these numbers
[20:45:18] <zeeshan> pcw_home: if my jitter is max 25000 ns
[20:45:25] <zeeshan> can i set my servo thread to 35000 ns?
[20:49:52] <skunkworks> no
[20:50:54] <zeeshan> how does that work
[20:51:10] <roycroft> so yeah, there is no comparison between spot drills and center drills
[20:51:19] <roycroft> they are as different from each other as rocks and feathers
[20:54:00] <MC500> If anyone is interested, I got my Servo to go ISA card working with a modern motherboard with an ISA slot using the latest Debian version of LinuxCNC.
[20:54:29] <MC500> The problem I was having was that most modern motherboard power supplies dont have a -5 volt pin....:(
[20:59:27] <PetefromTn_> congrats dude!
[21:01:44] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: What's this, GNU nano? You must convert to vim at once! ;)
[21:01:46] <cradek> that's awesome. 2.6.5?
[21:05:06] <zeeshan> lol so used to it
[21:19:41] <skunkworks> zeeshan: the base thread is pretty heavy lifting,.. (floating point and such) you may be able to increase it to 2-5khz - but not too much more.
[21:20:22] <zeeshan> so 200000 ns max
[21:20:43] <zeeshan> you mean decrease right?
[21:20:46] <skunkworks> you are not really going to gain much unless the machine is pretty high performance...
[21:21:06] <skunkworks> right - increase frequency - decrease period.. :)
[21:21:19] <zeeshan> you saw my servo error?
[21:21:19] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: It was a bit of a joke. Vim is very hard to use if you're not familiar with it.
[21:21:25] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: ah
[21:21:27] <zeeshan> :)
[21:21:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/HyUd6DI.png
[21:21:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/n4qp3ch.png
[21:21:46] <zeeshan> note the slop change
[21:21:49] <zeeshan> *slope
[21:22:01] <zeeshan> note the repeatability of the error
[21:22:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/CM8ucyI.png
[21:22:11] <zeeshan> this image shows it really well
[21:22:20] <zeeshan> its almost a carbon copy :D
[21:22:50] <zeeshan> i was hoping increasing the servo thread would increase the sampling rating
[21:22:55] <zeeshan> and help
[21:24:16] <skunkworks> probably not.. is that stiction?
[21:24:22] <zeeshan> yes
[21:24:35] <zeeshan> btw i saw your thread on practicalmachinist
[21:24:37] <zeeshan> or was it cnczone
[21:24:43] <zeeshan> youve been working on that k & t for a long time!
[21:24:50] <zeeshan> that machine is a beast
[21:24:54] <skunkworks> we have had it since the mid 80's
[21:25:17] <Tom_itx> running linuxcnc since?
[21:28:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdMJAs5NRM Ground control to Major tom..... sorta LOL. Can't decide which version I like better but I love that song....
[21:30:13] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks that Kearney and Trekker is a monster man. nice to know something you have had for that long is still working and making parts thanks to LinuxCNC!!
[21:31:28] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Man that servo tuning is a beotch huh... it is so time consuming trying to tweak everything to be as good as you can get it.
[21:32:12] <zeeshan> yea haha
[21:32:48] <PetefromTn_> really glad to see you are getting almost ready to enjoy making parts on that machine tho.
[21:33:02] <zeeshan> so close! :)
[21:33:11] <zeeshan> i really am hoping to finish modbus tonight
[21:33:22] <PetefromTn_> you are the modbus guru LOL
[21:33:31] <zeeshan> im not gonna bother running shielded cable for my spindle encoder
[21:33:34] <zeeshan> too lazy
[21:33:38] <zeeshan> i already have wires toging there
[21:33:42] <zeeshan> but they are not shielded
[21:34:01] <PetefromTn_> my machine has differential encoder but it is running in shielded cabling because it was already there.
[21:34:03] <zeeshan> prolly just use deboeunce
[21:34:08] <zeeshan> *debounce
[21:34:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: have you tried rigid tapping
[21:34:24] <PetefromTn_> yes many times LOL
[21:34:27] <zeeshan> nice man
[21:34:32] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ did you get yours converted to english speaking?
[21:34:36] <PetefromTn_> I'll say it is awesome..
[21:34:39] <PetefromTn_> yup
[21:34:41] <PetefromTn_> sure did
[21:34:47] <Tom_itx> jog working better?
[21:34:51] <PetefromTn_> it speaks fluent PETEFROMTN now
[21:35:25] <PetefromTn_> it is basically back to where it was before only with inch native measurements thanks to you guys Robh PCW Zeeshan etc etc.
[21:35:48] <PetefromTn_> I have not even turned it on today tho.
[21:36:01] <zeeshan> long live america
[21:36:03] <PetefromTn_> had a bunch of crap to take care of and pay some bills etc..
[21:36:04] <zeeshan> and the imperial system
[21:36:10] <PetefromTn_> hells yeah!
[21:36:12] <zeeshan> the machining class, they talk in metric units
[21:36:15] <zeeshan> i'm so lost in terms of feel
[21:36:23] <zeeshan> "yea can machine aluminum at 436km/h"
[21:36:51] <zeeshan> about 8000 m/s
[21:37:00] <toastydeath> it's aluminum so the answer is "Yeah you can machine it that fast"
[21:37:15] <zeeshan> yea but i dont have a feel for mm/s or m/s
[21:37:18] <PetefromTn_> I am just so used to working with machines setup for inch tool tables and most of the cutters I use are inch. Most of the parts I make are inch and even when they are not it is just metric dimensions in my cad cam so it is still all inch to me LOL
[21:37:19] <zeeshan> i bet PetefromTn does now
[21:37:47] <zeeshan> pete do you have a feel for
[21:37:55] <PetefromTn_> honestly I get plenty of metric work in the local shops
[21:37:57] <zeeshan> 121,111 mm/s
[21:38:02] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you get your servos tuned?
[21:38:22] <PetefromTn_> was invited to work in ANOTHER shop in knoxville today heh
[21:38:37] <zeeshan> 286089 ipm
[21:38:37] <zeeshan> lol
[21:38:43] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i sold the machine
[21:38:50] * zeeshan jokes
[21:38:54] <PetefromTn_> gave up and said hell with it ;)
[21:38:55] <zeeshan> been working on modbus man
[21:50:54] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: linuxcnc sometime in the late 2009 or so iirc
[21:51:13] <pcw_home> I think the servos are fairly well tuned, the rest is stiction which is not really a tuning issue
[21:51:14] <skunkworks> ran the original control until then.. (until it smoked...)
[21:51:36] <skunkworks> zeeshan: is the oiling working?
[21:51:40] <zeeshan> skunkworks: soon
[21:51:44] <zeeshan> ive beeb manually lubing
[21:51:48] <zeeshan> *been
[21:51:52] <zeeshan> with vactra2
[21:52:11] <zeeshan> i think 2 suggestions that will work well are: 1. lube pump
[21:52:17] <zeeshan> 2. break the machine in, its been sitting for 5 years..
[21:52:23] <zeeshan> under a tarp, outside.
[21:52:24] <zeeshan> lol
[21:52:38] <Valen> that is probably less than awesome
[21:52:47] <pcw_home> 3. actually machine some stuff and see what you get
[21:52:49] <zeeshan> i wans't too worried about ut
[21:52:52] <zeeshan> he actually made a proper shelter for it
[21:57:10] <zeeshan> i need to understand linear scales better. how do you calculate the number of encoder counts?
[21:57:30] <zeeshan> like the spec in the manual is 5 fold interpolation @ 25kHz
[21:57:38] <zeeshan> what does that exactly mean?
[21:58:08] <pcw_home> 25 KHz sine wave input
[21:58:26] <zeeshan> what determines the fact that its 25kHz?
[21:58:28] <Valen> your encoder doesn't specify a resolution
[21:58:40] <Valen> ?
[21:58:41] <zeeshan> is it a predetermined thing based on the physical glass scale?
[21:58:43] <PetefromTn_> anyone got any good netfilx movie reccomendations? Got some drawing to do here and wanna watch something good LOL....
[21:58:44] <zeeshan> valen no
[21:58:54] <Valen> they don't say .001mm scales or something?
[21:58:55] <pcw_home> how fast the EXE can process the analog data
[21:59:34] <zeeshan> okay so thats telling the response rate
[21:59:44] <zeeshan> they dont mention any thing about resolution
[21:59:55] <zeeshan> another spec is "minimum edge seperation a"
[22:00:01] <zeeshan> .950us
[22:00:16] <Valen> if its connected to a computer the simple answer is move it a centimeter and see how many counts you get ;->
[22:00:22] <zeeshan> valen i did that
[22:00:26] <Valen> and?
[22:00:29] <zeeshan> but i want to understand it better rather than trial and error
[22:00:39] <zeeshan> i dont like knowing something :P
[22:00:50] <Valen> right the correct way to do it is to get the spec sheet from the manufacturer
[22:00:54] <Valen> which will specify the resolution
[22:00:57] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, wanna know a secret?
[22:01:12] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: let me guess you're going to say, i can't know it!
[22:01:17] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:01:37] <Valen> failing that, move it a known distance, then work out how many counts it is, then round it so its right
[22:01:50] <zeeshan> well thats how i got 25400
[22:01:52] <Valen> IE you move it 10mm and get 10001 counts, its going to be 100 counts per mm
[22:02:30] <zeeshan> i actually dont even know that..
[22:02:37] <zeeshan> why its 25400..
[22:02:43] <zeeshan> i was expecting a whole number
[22:02:44] <Valen> counts per what?
[22:04:34] <Valen> 25400 counts per?
[22:04:48] <zeeshan> i'm thinking :)
[22:04:52] <zeeshan> retracing what i did
[22:04:57] <pcw_home> inch probably (1 u)
[22:05:14] <zeeshan> moved it 10 thou
[22:05:23] <zeeshan> it overshot, then i found ratio
[22:08:03] <pcw_home> maybe a 20 micron pitch scale (so 5u resolution with quadrature) --> 5X EXE box --> 1 u
[22:08:11] <zeeshan> accuracy grade: +/- 5 um
[22:08:22] <zeeshan> signal period 20 um
[22:13:08] <zeeshan> 1" / 0.02mm = 1270 counts per inch
[22:13:10] <zeeshan> something is off :P
[22:14:18] <zeeshan> 25400 / 1270 = 20
[22:14:19] <zeeshan> hm
[22:17:25] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: What sort of movie would you like?
[22:17:53] <PetefromTn_> LOL anything good I guess....sci fi? why ya got anything..
[22:18:22] <PetefromTn_> watching the whole nine yards right now....
[22:18:46] <FinboySlick> That's a cool one, especially since I was in Montreal when I watched it.
[22:18:56] <zeeshan> where the hell is this 1000 factor coming from
[22:19:26] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: You like dark comedy?
[22:19:37] <PetefromTn_> I guess so
[22:19:51] <FinboySlick> Ever watched 'Shallow Grave'?
[22:19:59] <PetefromTn_> nope
[22:20:06] <FinboySlick> One of Ewan McGreggor's first movies.
[22:20:37] <FinboySlick> Depends if you want a distraction or something you can focus on. I assume a distraction since you're drawing too.
[22:20:37] <PetefromTn_> aah Obi Wan...
[22:22:09] <FinboySlick> One of the better sci-fi I've watched recently was Automata.
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_> is that the one with antonio banderas?
[22:22:36] <FinboySlick> Yes.
[22:22:41] <PetefromTn_> huh
[22:22:51] <FinboySlick> Too slow for your taste?
[22:23:07] <PetefromTn_> I saw that one on there but it looked kinda B grade from the cover is it good?
[22:23:24] <LeelooMinai> The table with electronic parts killed my suspension of disbelief - those capacitors and microswitches... come on:p
[22:23:33] <Valen> iron skies is awesome
[22:23:47] <PetefromTn_> on netflix?
[22:23:48] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Yes, I quite liked it. It's not big budget but it doesn't need to be.
[22:23:50] <Valen> its B grade sci-fi, with space nazi's
[22:23:50] <LeelooMinai> But it had low budget.
[22:24:07] <Valen> but all the "science" is pretty right
[22:24:11] <Valen> and its funny as heck
[22:24:15] <FinboySlick> Valen: Have yet to watch that but it looked pretty nice.
[22:24:17] <PetefromTn_> cool..
[22:24:18] <LeelooMinai> I guess they had no money left after the CGI
[22:24:44] <PetefromTn_> I will check out those here after this one.
[22:26:26] <zeeshan> this doesnt make any sense to me. 1 count = 0.02mm , (1count/0.02mm)(25.4mm/1in)(1in) = 1270 counts
[22:26:34] <zeeshan> how am i getting 25400 on my encoder scale
[22:26:36] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: You seen District 9?
[22:26:38] <PetefromTn_> Hey this is looking up the chick from Species in on there LOL
[22:26:52] <zeeshan> there is a factor of 20 coming from somwhere?
[22:27:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw that but it was kinda annoyingly graphic....sorta
[22:28:17] <PetefromTn_> I did not finish watching it tho..maybe it gets better in the end..
[22:28:28] <zeeshan> it must be the fact that its 10 fold interpolation.
[22:28:33] <zeeshan> 1270 * 10
[22:28:45] <zeeshan> and then there are two edges .
[22:28:55] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: It's probably the best, most awesome sci-fi I've seen in years. How far did you get?
[22:28:58] * zeeshan gives up , back to modbus
[22:29:16] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: you want big sound to fully appreciate it, mind you.
[22:29:20] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it has been awhile..
[22:29:36] <PetefromTn_> I remember the camps and the robot guards etc..
[22:30:28] <FinboySlick> Robot guards?
[22:30:35] <PetefromTn_> wasn't it about some kinda disease or something?
[22:30:52] <PetefromTn_> I dunno like I said it did not get finished at all.
[22:30:55] <FinboySlick> Well, the main character gets pretty sick mid-movie.
[22:31:12] <FinboySlick> But that's a leadup to pretty awesome stuff.
[22:31:42] <PetefromTn_> Honestly when I get movies I have young kids so if it gets real graphic I sometimes end up having to turn it off and try to watch it after they go to bed.
[22:32:16] <PetefromTn_> and USUALLY in the evenings I am out screwing around with my CNC schtuff so I wind up taking it back to redbox unwatched hehe
[22:32:32] <FinboySlick> Yeah, it's not kids friendly for sure. If you haven't spoiled it with trailers though, I highly recommend that you make it through.
[22:32:44] <PetefromTn_> OK willdo..
[22:32:55] <PetefromTn_> is it in netflix?
[22:33:08] <FinboySlick> Might be. I'm in Canada, we have cheapo-netflix.
[22:33:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[22:33:32] <PetefromTn_> whats that girls name from Species?
[22:34:26] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Natasha Henstridge?
[22:34:35] <PetefromTn_> aah..
[22:35:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah......she works!
[22:37:27] <PetefromTn_> Ya know what was a fantastic movie as far as acting.... the Lady in the water.
[22:37:48] <PetefromTn_> Paul Giamatti was amazing in that movie I thought
[22:38:00] <FinboySlick> A thing to notice about District 9 when you give it another go is that Vickus is just a regular schmoe trying to deal with the pretty crappy situation he's in. He's no hero and really just wants to save his skin. And then they turn the awesome dial to 11.
[22:42:48] <FinboySlick> If you like Giamatti and over-the-top silly action, I suggest 'Shoot-em-up'.
[22:42:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhAKyiRL0k seriously one of the most powerful and moving scenes I think I have ever seen in a movie. Watching the scene alone does not really give you the full picture of what is happening.
[22:43:14] <FinboySlick> If that's from Lady in the Water, I'll pass, haven't seen it yet.
[22:43:23] <PetefromTn_> it is..
[22:43:42] <PetefromTn_> it is from M Night Shamylan I think.
[22:43:58] <FinboySlick> I hesitated bit because that guy just doesn't know how to *end* movies.
[22:44:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:45:12] <FinboySlick> I think he's stuck trying to outdo his 'The sixth sense' ending and failing miserably.
[22:45:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh he did that?
[22:45:31] <PetefromTn_> that was pretty good..
[22:45:35] <FinboySlick> Yeah, and *that* was quite good.
[22:45:42] <FinboySlick> But he also did Signs...
[22:45:50] <PetefromTn_> I liked signs..
[22:46:09] <PetefromTn_> he is good at that hiding the bad guy kind of thing right until the end.
[22:46:52] <FinboySlick> With aliens able to build giant, invisible interstellar spaceships... Yet unable to come up with the notion of a raincoat... invading a planet that is mostly water and running around cornfields at dusk.
[22:47:07] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah right..
[22:47:58] <XXCoder> earth is covered in water
[22:48:01] <PetefromTn_> I dunno what it was about that scene...
[22:48:08] <XXCoder> it's like us invading venus
[22:48:18] <XXCoder> but havent invented lava suits
[22:49:33] <FinboySlick> I tend to prefer little indie-ish movies lately.
[22:49:45] <FinboySlick> I had a lot of fun with 'Cheap Thrills'.
[22:50:16] <PetefromTn_> but I gotta say it left me balling my eyes out LOL.. You can FEEL the pain that man felt deep in his soul and it all comes out in that scene. I am probably sounding like a real goof here but oh well...
[22:50:27] <XXCoder> whoa
[22:50:28] <XXCoder> http://stores.ebay.com/automationrecovery1/
[22:50:39] <XXCoder> 2500 ton press.
[22:51:09] <PetefromTn_> that would scare the crap out of me to run a press like that LOL
[22:51:19] <XXCoder> it requires special structure
[22:51:40] <PetefromTn_> I have had schtuff fly out of my little 20 ton press before just doing little stuff.
[22:51:56] <XXCoder> 35k for cnc drill
[22:52:37] <roycroft> there have been things that i have wanted to make very very flat before
[22:52:43] <roycroft> a 2500 ton press would be perfect for that
[22:52:49] <XXCoder> well that 2500 ton one sure can
[22:53:05] <PetefromTn_> yup it sure as bloody hell will make stuff flat for ya LOL
[22:53:07] <roycroft> a misbehaving mail server
[22:53:12] <roycroft> used to be 1u high
[22:53:16] <roycroft> now it's 0.005" high
[22:53:18] <roycroft> yeah!
[22:53:25] <PetefromTn_> anger management
[22:53:34] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: I guess you've seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxT-f-hb8Sg
[22:53:36] <XXCoder> heh not much would even lightly work the machine
[22:53:48] <ds3> if you get it to 1 micron...it'll still be a 1u server :D
[22:54:02] <roycroft> with a slightly longer tail
[22:54:07] <XXCoder> no, and damn thatscrazy
[22:54:18] <PetefromTn_> WOW that is unbelievably dangerous..
[22:55:07] <FinboySlick> You just approach it with some philosophy: No need to worry about hurting one of your limbs, it'll just be gone.
[22:55:21] <PetefromTn_> there is not enough money in the world to make me sit there and load that damn machine heh
[22:55:32] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KUKA-KR150-SERIES-788535-KR150L150SP-2-ROBOT-/261738373854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf0d2a2de
[22:55:37] <XXCoder> pretty cheap
[22:55:46] <XXCoder> bet its fun to make it into cnc
[22:55:49] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Wow, indeed.
[22:56:08] <XXCoder> pete even if $1,000 per part? lol
[22:56:20] <PetefromTn_> not even ten times that much..
[22:56:22] <XXCoder> work week or so, making few thousand parts Lol
[22:56:30] <LeelooMinai> Some sagety rules may have been broken there:)
[22:56:34] <LeelooMinai> safety*
[22:56:52] <PetefromTn_> I thought running my wood shaper was dangerous LOL...
[22:57:15] <XXCoder> they has LOTS robot arms
[22:57:23] <LeelooMinai> They could at least give them some helmets...:)
[22:57:24] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: My sister is in Louisiana I think. Maybe she can squeeze it in her luggage.
[22:57:32] <XXCoder> heh
[22:57:41] <roycroft> helmets would do nothing
[22:57:54] <roycroft> they would be counterproductive, actually
[22:57:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah pretty much..
[22:58:02] <XXCoder> its Elio companym they bought a very big factory that used to make hummers and such
[22:58:03] <roycroft> they would give the workers a false sense of safety
[22:58:12] <PetefromTn_> anything that gets in there is done...simple as that.
[22:58:14] <XXCoder> roycroft: well would help for bumps and such
[22:58:27] <XXCoder> but yeah if machine screws up - blood puddles
[22:58:32] <LeelooMinai> Right, so maybe they should tell them to work naked, because clothes can give false sense of safety too:p
[22:58:45] <PetefromTn_> thats the night shift
[22:59:14] <roycroft> stuppin' in the stampin' room
[23:00:18] <PetefromTn_> that reminds me of a screwup I did years ago in woodworking
[23:00:40] <PetefromTn_> I was doing a complex installation with a more experienced pro woodworker
[23:00:55] <PetefromTn_> we had made this triple tier corner crown
[23:01:10] <PetefromTn_> and we were trying to fit it to the wall and ceiling
[23:01:31] <XXCoder> larger pic of 2500 ton press
http://www.eliomotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Press1.jpg
[23:01:36] <PetefromTn_> I kinda screwed up the angle and it was JUST a touch off but I did not realize it until we had it glued up
[23:01:48] <PetefromTn_> so I was like well...
[23:02:08] <PetefromTn_> I will just take it over to the big 12" sliding miter box and just kiss the angle on the one side.
[23:02:19] <PetefromTn_> this piece was like over a foot tall
[23:02:34] <PetefromTn_> my parter was like no way man thats too dangerous
[23:02:46] <PetefromTn_> I said no I think I can do it..
[23:02:55] <SpeedEvil> Tablesaws are fun
[23:03:00] <PetefromTn_> so I plopped it up there on to miter box
[23:03:02] <SpeedEvil> very safe if you know how to use them
[23:03:13] <SpeedEvil> Murderous if you take the least little liability with them
[23:03:16] <PetefromTn_> setup the angle and tried to set the stop to the correct depth by eyeball
[23:03:26] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: The proper words for situations like that are: "Hold my beer and check this out."
[23:03:27] <PetefromTn_> He was standing there watching me...
[23:03:37] <PetefromTn_> I fired up the blade
[23:03:43] <XXCoder> lol
[23:03:45] <PetefromTn_> and SLOWLY brought it down into the part
[23:04:00] <PetefromTn_> it went real well right up until the last little tip
[23:04:02] <SpeedEvil> A sliding mitre saw?
[23:04:07] <PetefromTn_> then it grabbed!
[23:04:11] <PetefromTn_> and holy shit
[23:04:12] <SpeedEvil> It punched you in the chest
[23:04:19] <PetefromTn_> pieces were flying everywhere
[23:04:29] <PetefromTn_> I swear you would have thought a freakin bomb went off
[23:04:42] <PetefromTn_> there was painted pieces all around the saw
[23:04:50] <SpeedEvil> There is _so_much_ energy in that spinning blade that if stuff goes wrong, ...
[23:04:55] <PetefromTn_> luckily none of them hit me
[23:05:14] <PetefromTn_> I looked over at my partner and he was shaking his head laughing..
[23:05:21] <PetefromTn_> he said are you allright?
[23:05:25] <PetefromTn_> I said yeah..
[23:05:30] <PetefromTn_> he said I TOLD YOU SO!!
[23:05:43] <PetefromTn_> SpeedEvil there sure as hell is man.
[23:05:48] <PetefromTn_> LOTS of energy a
[23:06:08] <PetefromTn_> and it is difficult to put it into words just how powerful they are
[23:06:29] <PetefromTn_> I have LITERALLY made millions of precision cuts in woodworking my entire life
[23:06:32] <zeeshan> pete
[23:06:35] <zeeshan> i have good news :)
[23:06:46] <PetefromTn_> but it has bitten even me a couple times..
[23:06:54] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah whats that?
[23:07:08] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sRrC2Jpp4
[23:08:41] <PetefromTn_> yup...
[23:08:47] <PetefromTn_> that has happened to me before too.
[23:09:11] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: The one with the tablesaw is pretty darn scary.
[23:09:15] <PetefromTn_> I always try to set blade height JUSt above the work and cut from the bottom but sometimes it is not possible
[23:09:39] <PetefromTn_> you think that is scary you should have been there to see that screwup I did with that miter box LOL..
[23:09:49] <PetefromTn_> the worst ever for me tho
[23:10:01] <PetefromTn_> I have about a four inch scar on my right wrist
[23:10:20] <PetefromTn_> the cut was from a piece of chemmetal laminate I was cutting on a sliding tablesaw
[23:10:28] <FinboySlick> Had large-ish drillpress grab one of my gloves once. Was weak in the knees for a little while after.
[23:10:29] <PetefromTn_> it kicked back and I deflected it with my arm
[23:10:49] <PetefromTn_> it sliced DEEP into my wrist and hit the bone.
[23:10:59] <PetefromTn_> luckily it did not hit anything real important
[23:11:26] <PetefromTn_> had I turned my wrist just a touch either way it would have been REALLY REALLY BAD.
[23:11:41] <XXCoder> "I need a new shorts
[23:11:43] <XXCoder> "
[23:11:49] <XXCoder> heh no shit
[23:12:52] <XXCoder> so that is what guard is for
[23:13:00] <XXCoder> nice videp fin
[23:13:04] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[23:13:10] <FinboySlick> Pretty sure if I didn't have small hands and it hadn't pulled the glove off, I'd be wrapped around the chuck.
[23:13:53] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/llLTB4w.jpg this happened years ago..
[23:14:48] <XXCoder> heh I still got integation shaped scar on hand from nail getting though my hand and going out sideways
[23:14:55] <XXCoder> thankfully it didnt get between any bone
[23:15:46] <XXCoder> I was prying plank away from deck (we were demoing it) and I was p[ushing it upwards. stupid lol
[23:16:54] <PetefromTn_> heh
[23:17:03] <PetefromTn_> that sounds like fun
[23:17:16] <XXCoder> now try asl with it. it was painful to talk lol
[23:17:26] <XXCoder> but been decade since then
[23:18:07] <PetefromTn_> Well folks now that I got the inch or imperial dimensions native setup on the Cincinatti.
[23:18:26] <XXCoder> gonna run
[23:18:34] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY need to start thinking about the spindle orient
[23:18:50] <PetefromTn_> was chatting with my machininst friend today
[23:19:01] <PetefromTn_> and he was like...lemme get this straight.
[23:19:10] <PetefromTn_> you own a CNC vertical machining center
[23:19:17] <PetefromTn_> and it has a 21 tool changer
[23:19:25] <PetefromTn_> and you run it daily
[23:19:32] <PetefromTn_> but the toolchanger does not work????
[23:19:43] <PetefromTn_> I was like yeah I know I know LOL
[23:21:46] <PetefromTn_> trouble is I don't even know where to start.
[23:24:59] <zeeshan> sorry pete lol
[23:25:01] <zeeshan> got distracted
[23:25:02] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqR0IW2cKTY
[23:25:16] <zeeshan> it works it works it works!
[23:26:46] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: I wish I could interface with my vfd like that, but it's all in chinese and comes with no manual :P
[23:27:05] <zeeshan> FinboySlick: it has serial comms?
[23:27:19] <FinboySlick> zeeshan: I honestly don't know.
[23:27:35] <FinboySlick> It doesn't have a DB9 connector that I can tell though.
[23:28:18] <PetefromTn_> that looks pretty good man.
[23:28:29] <PetefromTn_> what signals can you monitor on it
[23:28:59] <PetefromTn_> does it have encoder feedback?
[23:29:03] <zeeshan> yea it has feedback
[23:29:09] <zeeshan> i dont think its necessary for our app
[23:29:20] <zeeshan> well at least for me. since i dont have tool changer
[23:29:26] <zeeshan> for you, its important :)
[23:29:37] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:29:54] <zeeshan> its displaying torque
[23:29:58] <PetefromTn_> hold onto your programming for me I MAY wind up with that same exact drive for my lathe.
[23:30:00] <zeeshan> power consumption etc
[23:30:15] <zeeshan> yea PetefromTn_ ii think you should get it if you go with a 5hp motor
[23:30:25] <zeeshan> its stupid cheap..
[23:30:25] <PetefromTn_> you like it then?
[23:30:44] <zeeshan> well its a hitachi drive
[23:30:50] <zeeshan> so im hoping its reliable
[23:30:53] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:31:04] <zeeshan> i know its a 100% hitachi drive
[23:31:08] <PetefromTn_> I have had good luck so far with the two hitachi drives I have
[23:31:10] <zeeshan> cause every single parameter
[23:31:12] <zeeshan> is the exact sdame
[23:31:17] <zeeshan> from the programming menus
[23:31:22] <zeeshan> to the communication protocol
[23:31:37] <zeeshan> to the tech specs and dimensions
[23:31:45] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:33:04] <zeeshan> did you find a 7.5HP single phase drive?
[23:33:08] <PetefromTn_> I found out today the original motor was a 3 speed motor..
[23:33:35] <PetefromTn_> not really sure how that affects the choice of the new motor
[23:34:22] <zeeshan> not a big deal with a vfd
[23:34:24] <PetefromTn_> not picked a drive yet because have not determined the motor choice yet.
[23:34:35] <PetefromTn_> I would not think so but I dunno really
[23:34:55] <zeeshan> 3 speed motor is a good thing because its been designed to operate for long periods of time at 3 diff speeds
[23:35:03] <PetefromTn_> my most important criteria is getting the max torque out of the system
[23:35:04] <zeeshan> so you can definitely vary the range on the speed
[23:35:06] <zeeshan> without burning up motor
[23:37:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:38:28] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking a low RPM motor like 1200 or 1700 with the right setup of pullies will get me what I want coupled with the VFD
[23:41:59] <zeeshan> yea]
[23:45:48] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Got any ideas how I could get spindle orient working with the hitachi since it is apparently similar to your vfd?
[23:48:32] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: these vfds want eeither a sensor that outputs current or voltage
[23:48:51] <zeeshan> so basically since you already likely have a spindle encoder going to 7i77
[23:49:09] <PetefromTn_> I do
[23:49:16] <zeeshan> maybe you can output -10 to +10v signal analog
[23:49:19] <zeeshan> to your vfd
[23:49:43] <zeeshan> you will need to calibrate your analog output to make your motor speed
[23:50:11] <zeeshan> so basically you'll be monitoring velocity
[23:50:20] <zeeshan> and do a velocity feedback loop @ the vfd.
[23:50:36] <zeeshan> make = match
[23:51:48] <zeeshan> now that i think about it
[23:52:03] <zeeshan> you probably dont even need a pid loop on the vfd..
[23:52:26] <zeeshan> you can probably do a velocity feedback loop in linuxcnc?
[23:52:36] <PetefromTn_> that would be nice
[23:52:45] <zeeshan> you already have an encoder giving it information about your spindle rpm
[23:52:47] <PetefromTn_> I would think since I have feeback already
[23:52:51] <zeeshan> and youre outputting 0-10v
[23:53:15] <PetefromTn_> valen watching iron sky man!!
[23:54:33] <PetefromTn_> perhaps all we need is some sort of seperate macro that will use the existing signals
[23:56:16] <PetefromTn_> or rather all I need LOL
[23:59:02] <PetefromTn_> hey they have VW beetles on the dark side of the moon LOL
[23:59:45] <SpeedEvil> Of course they don't.
[23:59:54] <SpeedEvil> VW beetles are aircooled - they'd overheat immediately
