#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-01-10

[00:00:41] <furrywolf> bbl, sleep
[00:00:53] <XXCoder> later
[00:03:05] <furrywolf> cyas
[00:11:08] <zeeshan> was a faulty multimeter
[00:16:48] <bobo_> zeeshan: try a nerf ball and string with shop vac. for getting the wire fead thru conduit
[00:17:16] <zeeshan> its not a 100% sealed environment though?
[00:22:11] <bobo_> if a shop vac will not suck a small nurf ball on a string thru that short length of pipe , then it must be screen type conduit.
[00:23:10] <bobo_> or a pluged up shop vac
[00:24:12] <zeeshan> its 3 awg wire=/
[00:24:19] <zeeshan> im gonna just pull per section
[00:24:22] <zeeshan> and assemble the conduit around it
[00:24:37] <zeeshan> will be easier i'd think
[00:25:40] <Tom_itx> not when it comes time to service it
[00:26:01] <zeeshan> ??
[00:26:37] <bobo_> suck a string first ----------tye strinng to rope pull roap -----tye rope to wire bundle
[00:26:52] <Tom_itx> tie wire bundle to your ankle
[00:27:10] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i didnt get your service reference
[00:27:24] <Tom_itx> if you ever have to replace the wire you won't be able to
[00:27:42] <zeeshan> why?
[00:27:56] <Tom_itx> im gonna just pull per section
[00:27:56] <Tom_itx> <zeeshan> and assemble the conduit around it
[00:28:10] <zeeshan> i dont see how me doing that
[00:28:11] <zeeshan> vs pulling it
[00:28:14] <zeeshan> makes it any different
[00:28:24] <Tom_itx> unless you're gonna take it apart when that time arrives
[00:28:43] <zeeshan> i think pulling per section also lessens the chance of damaging the insulation
[00:28:55] <zeeshan> shrug i dont know
[00:28:57] <zeeshan> :/
[00:29:52] <Tom_itx> i put in 2 2-1/2" conduit when i build my garage and i'm not sorry i did
[00:30:07] <Tom_itx> in the floor
[00:30:59] <Tom_itx> i recently rerouted some stuff so i could get more in them :)
[00:31:10] <bobo_> tom_itx plastic or metal ?
[00:31:17] <Tom_itx> plastic
[00:31:24] <Tom_itx> it's in the footing
[00:31:54] <bobo_> glued joints ?
[00:32:13] <Tom_itx> yes
[00:32:40] <Tom_itx> sweeping 90 and iirc a couple 45
[00:33:28] <Tom_itx> that was a long time ago
[00:33:37] <bobo_> sounds good what size garage?
[00:34:02] <Tom_itx> 24x24 then i added another 8' on the back later on
[00:35:05] <bobo_> going to try for 720 sq foot this spring
[00:37:29] <Tom_itx> double it and put in 10' celings or you'll regret it in 5 yrs
[00:38:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: were you palnning to run a supercomputer? :)
[00:38:51] <bobo_> please come down here and slap zoning into it
[00:39:10] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you never know
[00:39:14] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:39:33] <zeeshan> bob where are you from
[00:39:34] <zeeshan> bobo
[00:39:52] <bobo_> cols. ohio
[00:39:59] <zeeshan> not far away at all
[00:40:13] <Tom_itx> then i added a covered patio next to it
[00:41:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio21.jpg
[00:41:38] <bobo_> wish I could find a place such as Ox Tool or J. Kilroy has.
[00:41:41] <Tom_itx> all the steel was scrap
[00:41:50] <zeeshan> thats a lot of money :P
[00:42:00] <zeeshan> that looks great Tom_itx
[00:42:14] <Tom_itx> I beam thru the middle
[00:42:31] <Tom_itx> oh heck, it's not even installed in that pic
[00:42:47] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio23.jpg
[00:42:54] <zeeshan> did you put the concrete pad yourself?
[00:43:10] <Tom_itx> i did the holes and the neighbor did the pad
[00:43:21] <Tom_itx> he works for a construction co
[00:43:29] <zeeshan> nice
[00:43:31] <Tom_itx> loaned me the 12" auger
[00:43:50] <zeeshan> thats a nice neighbour to have :D
[00:44:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio_index.php
[00:44:27] <Tom_itx> that's that project
[00:45:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio5.jpg
[00:45:05] <Tom_itx> nice hole saw
[00:45:12] <zeeshan> hahah
[00:46:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio13.jpg
[00:46:55] <Tom_itx> I beam between the rear support boards
[00:47:09] <Tom_itx> it'll never blow off
[00:47:47] <bobo_> neighbors around here are upset their icecream cone is not as big as other neighbors..
[01:02:01] <bobo_> zeeshan: does your mill have temp comp on the ram ?
[01:02:27] <zeeshan> temperature compensation?
[01:03:37] <bobo_> as in maho uses a mechanical bar on ram scale for temp comp
[01:05:25] <bobo_> front end of scale has metal rod/bar and rear has sheet metal mtg bracket
[01:07:40] <zeeshan> i dont see that :P
[01:08:17] <bobo_> maho and deckel both rave about the temp. comp
[01:09:59] <XXCoder> any of you doctor who fans?
[01:14:06] <bobo_> who ?
[01:14:14] <XXCoder> yeah who
[01:15:08] <bobo_> my phone booth was stolen
[01:19:35] <XXCoder> phone booth?
[01:19:43] <XXCoder> ya some kind of superman? ;)
[01:20:18] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Sugar-Free-Gummy-Bears/dp/B008JELLCA ouch reviews
[01:22:04] <bobo_> sugar-free why bother?
[01:22:16] <zeeshan> those gtives you the shits
[01:22:16] <zeeshan> lol
[01:22:20] <zeeshan> careful!
[01:22:45] <XXCoder> yeah bears that cause you to shit so much apparently
[01:23:23] <bobo_> oh ! for us old geezers then
[01:24:09] <XXCoder> "I ate these as an afternoon snack at work. About an hour later, I started to feel really bloated. 90 minutes in, my stomach was cramping and making all sorts of crazy noises. Two hours later I was glued to the toilet, letting out minute-long farts and trying to rip out my middle. Everytime I thought I was done, I'd be back in the restroom 10 minutes later. For hours this cycle repeated itself."
[01:24:44] <XXCoder> invent a methine powered car and you can power car that way lol
[01:25:43] <bobo_> or give to the neighbors grand kids for the ride home
[01:31:47] <zeeshan> bobo_: why are you still awake
[01:31:58] <bobo_> zeeshan: have you looked at www.dialog5.com website and look at Wessley's Project where there is a discussion about gear changing might be of use to you
[01:35:23] <XXCoder> nice spacing
[01:36:22] <zeeshan> interesting
[01:36:28] <zeeshan> limit switches to do gear changing
[01:36:30] <zeeshan> mines hall sensors
[01:36:54] <zeeshan> quite differnt from that :P
[01:38:07] <bobo_> not that much different
[01:40:18] <bobo_> yours has 3 sense points per gear ? times 3 gear shifters
[01:40:33] <zeeshan> yes
[01:42:18] <bobo_> and yours does the logic in the I.C.s vers softwre logic
[01:42:27] <zeeshan> i think it had a plc for it
[01:44:17] <bobo_> oh! I.C. vers limit switches then
[01:49:16] <bobo_> deckel and maho use a plastic gear in the shifter which is prone to breaking if the gears don't mesh easly during shifting
[01:49:33] <zeeshan> mine is metaL!
[01:50:31] <bobo_> sounds better than plastic
[02:42:36] <Deejay> moin
[03:08:30] <Jymmm> gawd, what a pita...
[03:08:44] <Deejay> morning Jymmm
[03:10:01] <Jymmm> CC pymt due 1/11th, Ck bill pay ETA 1/13th. Cancel billpay, says no. try 8 more times, still says no. Finally says yes on 11th attempt....
[03:10:11] <XXCoder> fun
[03:11:20] <Jymmm> Cal CC company to make 3rd party pymt (as I do not want them to store bank acnt info - one time only), chat is useless, called three times, finally make EFT payment. sigh. 90 minutes later and here I am
[03:12:08] <Jymmm> Oh and add no CC branches within 100 miles, and even so, none open on weekends.
[03:12:14] <Jymmm> hi Deejay
[03:12:48] <Jymmm> Just sucked the way everythign landed on the calendar is all.
[03:13:23] <Jymmm> They might waive any late fee, but it's the bad mark and the % I worry about these days.
[03:13:51] <Jymmm> oh, you late one time, let's jack your interest to 23.999%
[03:15:56] <Jymmm> </rant?
[03:16:00] <Jymmm> </rant>
[03:17:41] <Jymmm> Heh, I think the CC is mucking with me as I havne't paid them any interest since I open the acount =)
[11:01:33] <[cube]> Jymmm / zeeshan : success!
[11:01:34] <[cube]> http://imgur.com/a/UpiD3
[11:02:08] <[cube]> not a scratch on her
[11:02:58] <Jymmm> Took small, try again ;)
[11:03:02] <Jymmm> too*
[11:03:07] <[cube]> haha
[11:03:37] <furrywolf> eh, sometimes good fun leaves a few scratches...
[11:04:42] <furrywolf> hopefully you own this house? :P
[11:05:20] <[cube]> heh yes :) it's here to stay
[11:05:42] <Tom_itx> why the tow hook? it would slide down just fine without it
[11:05:50] <CaptHindsight> why I no longer have my shop in the attic
[11:05:50] <Tom_itx> maybe a bit quicker than you wanted
[11:06:07] <[cube]> had a come-along on the hook
[11:06:11] <[cube]> and eased it down slow
[11:06:38] <Tom_itx> you could have avoided the hole in the wall
[11:06:44] <[cube]> weighed too much to muscle it down
[11:06:51] * furrywolf probably would have just slid plywood down the stairs, with a rope to limit the rate of sliding.
[11:07:16] <LeelooMinai> Couldn't two people just carry it? :) Doesn't look that big...
[11:07:25] <[cube]> its bigger than it looks in pics
[11:07:27] <furrywolf> leeloo: machine tools are small but heavy
[11:07:39] <[cube]> i can barely lift the the heavy end off the floor an inch
[11:07:45] <archivist> get bigger muscles
[11:07:51] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but what can it be - like 60kg?
[11:07:53] <[cube]> too much work :P
[11:08:00] <[cube]> 220kg
[11:08:02] <furrywolf> I had fun getting my milling machine from here to my shop/storage unit... with the wheeled cart it's on, it weighs a half ton or so.
[11:08:05] <[cube]> well
[11:08:07] <[cube]> less than that
[11:08:09] <[cube]> with the bits removed
[11:08:21] <[cube]> probably a good 150 at least
[11:08:29] <furrywolf> built some ramps and comealonged it into the back of my van
[11:08:45] <[cube]> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/metal-lathe-12in-x28in-with-digital-readout.html
[11:09:09] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, maybe it's bigger than it looks:)
[11:09:45] <furrywolf> last time I moved it, I took it all apart, and had a helper... this time it was just me, so ramps it was.
[11:09:53] <[cube]> yep
[11:10:02] <[cube]> come-along has been so useful
[11:10:29] <[cube]> lift engine out of a car...move a mill..move a lathe
[11:10:52] <[cube]> a toddler could crank it
[11:12:58] <furrywolf> I need to get my crane working. I have an autocrane 3203PR sitting in the bed of my pickup... needs repairs and installing. then moving things will be easy!
[11:14:11] <[cube]> hah that looks sweet
[11:14:40] <furrywolf> last owner went to change the fluid, and broke all the bolts that hold the reservoir on, then let it rust... and installing it needs substantial ironwork... so it's a "when I have time and money" project.
[11:14:43] <[cube]> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0547/3765/t/3/assets/store-heading-pic-1.jpg
[11:15:04] <[cube]> 'just sitting in the back of truck' eh :P
[11:15:14] <furrywolf> it's not like the harborfreight cranes that you can just bolt to sheetmetal... when you have a crane that can lift real things, it needs real steel underneeth it. heh.
[11:15:35] <furrywolf> yes, just sitting in the back of it, at a diagonal in the bed... making the truck useless for anything else, and it's too heavy for me to get out. heh.
[11:16:07] <furrywolf> that's not a 3203. the 3203 is smaller.
[11:16:21] <[cube]> ah
[11:17:01] <furrywolf> http://www.modestosurplus.com/store/p113/AutoCrane_3203_12_volt_electric_over_hydraulic_crane_for_sale.html that's the size I have.
[11:17:18] <[cube]> still huge
[11:18:13] <furrywolf> it's not that huge... it's meant for an 8ft bed.
[11:18:46] <furrywolf> http://www.networkintl.com/contents/auction/QFPIRA00Q3CR/QFPIRA00R6XG/!QFPIRA00R6XJCrane.jpg
[11:18:54] <[cube]> what were you plannign to lift with it?
[11:19:34] <furrywolf> http://cranenetwork.com/equipment-pics/cranes/2529ddbc9f56c4f4c50d857d0.jpg that's a much newer model, but the same size... shows how it fits on a truck.
[11:19:48] <[cube]> could see it as a good alternative to a forklift
[11:20:13] <furrywolf> anything that needs lifting! machine tools, engines, firewood logs, ...
[11:20:34] <furrywolf> itself! I figure once I have it operational, all I need is a suitable gantry and it can lift itself out of the vehicle, for when I don't need it.
[11:20:51] <[cube]> ah yeah
[11:20:58] <[cube]> a little docking station
[11:21:04] <furrywolf> it's self-contained, just needs power and ground... leave a couple feet of slack in the wires and use an anderson plug, and it'll lift itself right out.
[11:22:18] <furrywolf> also, lol @ trying to sell one for $4K.
[11:22:59] <[cube]> hehe
[11:23:46] <furrywolf> I got mine for $400 and the guy helped load it. heh.
[11:25:02] <furrywolf> only real repair it needs is the broken bolts drilled out from the reservoir. it could use new pump and winch solenoids, but they're $5 each. (if you get generic ones. if you call autocrane, I think they're $50... they're just ford starter solenoids!)
[11:25:27] <furrywolf> he said it worked great until he went to change the fluid, and broke the bolts...
[11:25:46] <[cube]> not bad at all
[11:26:15] <furrywolf> I wish it was the PRX model instead of the PR model, but oh well. (PR has power rotate, PRX has power rotate and extend)
[11:27:00] <furrywolf> the PRX model extends with power, even under load... mine has a pin and a bunch of holes, and you have to set it before loading it. heh.
[11:27:40] <[cube]> yeah not bad for what you paid
[11:28:06] <furrywolf> building the support framework is the hard part... I can always swap it out for a newer/fancier model later.
[11:28:42] <[cube]> whats the max weight it can handle (approx)
[11:28:51] <furrywolf> while my truck does have an abnormally heavy-duty bed, I still can't bolt that to it without reinforcements.
[11:28:53] <furrywolf> 3200lb I think.
[11:29:02] <furrywolf> with the boom all the way in
[11:29:08] <furrywolf> goes way down as you extend the boom.
[11:29:27] <furrywolf> I have a 1.5ton truck, so it's a perfect match.
[11:29:34] <[cube]> nice
[11:30:17] <furrywolf> and I already have dual batteries and a 150A alternator, which the crane is supposed to like. :)
[11:42:01] <zeeshan> HELP ME FISH WIRES CUBE
[11:43:01] <[cube]> lol
[11:43:12] <[cube]> good way to spend a saturday!
[11:43:19] <archivist> put some bait down
[11:44:17] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16216978566/
[11:44:19] <zeeshan> gonna use my friends advice
[11:44:24] <zeeshan> said remove the 2 90s at the sub panel
[11:44:31] <zeeshan> feed wire bundle through directly across
[11:44:44] <zeeshan> and then fish it through the 2 90s after
[11:48:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan slick em down with dish soap
[11:49:01] <zeeshan> why not ky jelly
[11:49:09] * zeeshan hides
[11:49:09] <Tom_itx> cheaper
[12:05:30] <furrywolf> ky, and all personal lubes, are annoyingly expensive.
[12:06:45] <furrywolf> ky is actually one of the cheapest
[12:08:57] <zeeshan> nothing beats intimacy between the electrical wires and me
[12:09:03] <zeeshan> other than a bit of KY!
[12:09:08] <zeeshan> did i say that out loud
[12:09:09] <zeeshan> haha
[12:11:18] <XXCoder> ky is everywhere in most scary movies
[12:11:28] <XXCoder> alien drool? ky
[12:11:43] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.protoolreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/ptr/2478.jpg you need to buy in bulk
[12:12:10] <[cube]> that looks ideal
[12:12:24] <furrywolf> zeeshan: actually, they sell special lubes for electrosex...
[12:36:01] <zeeshan> anyone have a cnc lathe in here?? :P
[12:36:08] <zeeshan> and uses their carriage to drill holes?
[12:36:11] <zeeshan> and tap
[12:36:38] <furrywolf> I will soon!
[13:12:57] <tjtr33> hello, just dloaded the hybrid iso. csum is not whats listed on http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_LinuxCNC.html is that page up to date?
[13:48:54] <gennro> So pretty much for a parallel port controller I need a logic level converter to protect the parallel port and then the outputs and inputs are configured in linuxcnc I assume?
[13:51:07] <archivist> one of the cheap breakout boards can protect your port
[13:51:25] <gennro> yeah, was looking on ebay for those
[13:51:36] <archivist> I tend to use a uln200x /whatever
[13:52:28] <archivist> often the better stepper drivers have optos in them so the breakout board does not need them too
[13:52:53] <LeelooMinai> Is the rated output current in VFDs specified as total or per phase?
[13:53:45] <gennro> archivist, my plan is to use some 298 H bridges to run some small servos and some A4988s to run some steppers
[13:53:50] <LeelooMinai> I am looking at those GS2 drives again and again I don't get those ratings:/
[13:54:15] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/D89YDN8.png
[13:54:55] <archivist> some stepper chips are prone to letting the smoke out
[13:55:35] <gennro> yeah I figured it would be safer to have a logic level converter in between to prevent any of that
[13:55:38] <LeelooMinai> I think I am getting old:) I don't get how you input 16A at one phase at 110V into last one, that is 1600watt and only 750watt pops out...
[13:57:16] <LeelooMinai> Any ideas? I mean the power cannot just disappear like that, unless by heat
[13:57:28] <archivist> go to a better maker who can work out their amps and watts
[13:57:31] <CaptHindsight> this a phase converter?
[13:57:48] <LeelooMinai> This is GS2 VFD from automationdirect - they are supposed to be pretty good
[13:57:55] <LeelooMinai> Yes 1 phase to 3
[13:58:15] <LeelooMinai> I just don't understand that table
[13:58:19] <archivist> the maths for the input is just wrong
[13:58:26] <CaptHindsight> there was a discussion here about that a few weeks ago
[13:58:34] <CaptHindsight> let me find you some links that explain
[13:58:46] <archivist> it could be maximum starting current
[13:58:51] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I was part of it... And here I am again:)
[13:59:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dartcontrols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/De-Rating-VFD-for-Single-Phase-Power.pdf
[13:59:41] <gennro> Also I know there has been work on getting linuxcnc to work with raspberry pi's, anyone know the current working status of that?
[13:59:49] <LeelooMinai> I need to know if I buy the last one, what kind of spindle I can drive with it - 800watt, 15k or 2.2k - if any of those would be ok
[14:00:24] <CaptHindsight> what do you have for power? 120/208VAC single phase?
[14:00:36] <LeelooMinai> Just normal 15A fused 110V
[14:01:43] <LeelooMinai> I would think that 1.5k spindle would be ok, but that VFD chart confused me
[14:02:05] <archivist> CaptHindsight, the one she is pointing at is single phase rated
[14:02:50] <CaptHindsight> 1300W is all you circuit can have on that circuit into the VFD
[14:03:14] <LeelooMinai> Ok, right, but why they have only 0.75kW on output?
[14:03:28] <LeelooMinai> Surely it cannot be 50% efficient...
[14:03:46] <archivist> they quote the loss wattage
[14:03:58] <CaptHindsight> 0.75kw 3 phase?
[14:04:03] <LeelooMinai> Yes, and it's only 10% or soe, so what happened to the rest?
[14:04:43] <archivist> bad specs I think a peak is being quoted not the running
[14:04:50] <LeelooMinai> Yes, that's 3 phase output VFD of course
[14:05:28] <archivist> during start a motor takes many times the running load
[14:06:02] <LeelooMinai> Peak quoted? So that 0.75kW is per phase or what?
[14:06:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs3drives.pdf
[14:06:25] <LeelooMinai> gs3 are some kind of vector drices
[14:06:36] <LeelooMinai> gs2 are normal pwm I think
[14:07:04] <LeelooMinai> And gs3 cannot run from 110V
[14:07:07] <archivist> no the running is 1 hp .77 kw regardless of number of phases
[14:07:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs2drive.pdf
[14:08:09] <LeelooMinai> Ok, but why is it only 750watt if 110V can have 1500watt available easily?
[14:08:50] <CaptHindsight> since the input is only single phase 60hz
[14:08:54] <archivist> made to a price only has cooling and deviced for .75kw
[14:09:17] <LeelooMinai> SO that would be good for what, 800watt spindle maybe?
[14:09:40] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if I can mill alu with that
[14:09:44] <CaptHindsight> 0.75kW
[14:09:59] <CaptHindsight> • 150% rated current for one minute
[14:10:52] <LeelooMinai> What happens if a spindle rated for more, gets less current? It works fine, just has less torque?
[14:11:44] <archivist> if you use a larger spindle you may overload the vfd
[14:11:54] <LeelooMinai> Or some other bad side effects would happen if one, say, used 750watt VFD to drive, say 2.2kW spindle
[14:11:58] <LeelooMinai> A, hmm, I see
[14:12:27] <archivist> often the vfd detects and shuts down, they eventually die
[14:12:56] <LeelooMinai> But why is that? Is that because of some inductive kick-back when slowing down?
[14:13:22] <archivist> I have some dead vfds and experience
[14:15:21] <LeelooMinai> And I want to understand how things work:)
[14:15:59] <LeelooMinai> Cannot realloy aford dead VFDs too:/
[14:16:06] <LeelooMinai> afford*
[14:17:28] <CaptHindsight> trying to find you a good paper on how the converters work
[14:18:01] <LeelooMinai> Ok, well, I am reading that paper, and I think I may get a clue from there
[14:18:42] <LeelooMinai> Seems like the 1.73 derating is because the circutry is designed to take 3 phase input too and if you use 1 phase only part of it works (?)
[14:19:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.phasetechnologies.com/phaseperfect/files/phasewhitepaper.pdf
[14:19:38] <LeelooMinai> So maybe those 1 phase versions are not really optimized for one phase, just re-use topology for 3-phase ones or something?
[14:19:44] <CaptHindsight> it has to do with power factor
[14:20:28] <CaptHindsight> voltage and current vs phase angle
[14:20:35] <LeelooMinai> A, hmm, power factor has to do with momentarily pushing back power to the mains, right?
[14:21:15] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
[14:21:43] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power#Real.2C_reactive.2C_and_apparent_powers
[14:22:32] <CaptHindsight> you might be trying to see this as a DC circuit vs AC
[14:24:17] <LeelooMinai> Ok, so it seems I am left with 0.75kw ac spindles
[14:25:17] <LeelooMinai> Could I use them to mill small alu parts at small speed?
[14:25:35] <LeelooMinai> I mean overall speed of milling the part
[14:26:08] <jdh> why not buy a combo 1.2kw spindle/vfd? (did I miss that part)
[14:26:38] <LeelooMinai> I think you did:)
[14:26:52] <LeelooMinai> Because seems those VFDs can output 0.75kW max
[14:27:07] <LeelooMinai> (110V ones)
[14:27:31] <jdh> I have not measured mine (1.5kw)
[14:28:10] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: can you use 2 poles and get 220VAC?
[14:28:12] <LeelooMinai> Also, those GS2 drives are otherwise nice: they have good documentation, modbus, etc. Detachable control panel, etc.
[14:28:49] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: In my room upstairs - I don't think so:)
[14:29:38] <CaptHindsight> how about a natural gas powered generator? too much noise?
[14:30:06] <LeelooMinai> That sounds scary... It's in my room, where I sleep, live, and do everything else.
[14:30:45] <CaptHindsight> either settle for 0.75KW or run some larger wires up from the panel
[14:31:30] <LeelooMinai> One other thing I was considering is that there are transformers from 100V to 220V - sub $100 and $2000 watt - not sure if that would help.
[14:31:42] <LeelooMinai> 2000*
[14:32:08] <jdh> magical power
[14:32:17] <CaptHindsight> all you'd have then is 220vac 7.5A vs 110vac 15A
[14:32:38] <jdh> less transformer losses
[14:33:04] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I realize that, but maybe those 220V vfds would have less derating then? I don't know
[14:33:42] <LeelooMinai> They have 3HP rated ones for 220V
[14:34:08] <jdh> my 1.5kw rated vfd/spindle way exceeds my expectations
[14:34:12] <CaptHindsight> only other option would be having a large battery bank to store power for when you actually need >0.75KW
[14:34:52] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: Sounds potentially expensive? :)
[14:35:08] <jdh> you could get solar panels to charge the batteries
[14:35:25] <LeelooMinai> I mean the battery purchase part.
[14:35:25] <CaptHindsight> yes, unless you happen to find a Tesla battery pack (or similar) that fell off a truck :)
[14:35:40] <CaptHindsight> or a giant flywheel
[14:35:51] <LeelooMinai> Right, I think I saw some fallen off the track passig by my house yesterday
[14:36:30] <jdh> you could make a giant flywheel for the attic. it could also help steady your house in the waves.
[14:36:46] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I think those 220V ones provide more output power simply because 220V single phase is rated at more than 15A input
[14:36:59] <LeelooMinai> Well, more than 15/2A input
[14:37:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?1333237_g10e ~$100K 300KW
[14:37:21] <LeelooMinai> lol
[14:37:31] <LeelooMinai> Is there a huige flywheel inside?
[14:37:49] <jdh> so, you just have theoretical issues with 1.5/2.2kw rated combos?
[14:38:05] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Example_of_cylindrical_flywheel_rotor_assembly.png
[14:38:44] <LeelooMinai> jdh: I have 110V 10A outlets - I would say that is practical not theoretical issue:)
[14:39:00] <jdh> move?
[14:39:17] <LeelooMinai> Move where? Out of North America?:p
[14:39:18] <jdh> I'd hate to have a mill in my bedroom.
[14:39:20] <CaptHindsight> maybe a very large water tank to store water for the generator and wheel
[14:39:48] <jdh> I do not think I have any 10A only outlets
[14:39:51] <LeelooMinai> jdh: It's not like I will mill anything while sleeping
[14:40:00] <LeelooMinai> 15A*
[14:40:03] <CaptHindsight> 110v 12A pump will get you how many gallons per hour while asleep?
[14:40:18] <jdh> I have enough issues with chips in shoes/shirts/etc while in the garage
[14:40:44] <LeelooMinai> CaptHindsight: I am waiting for proposing a wind mill on top of my house next:)
[14:40:46] <jdh> milling aluminum while wearing crocs is not good.
[14:41:07] <LeelooMinai> I could get some flower done in the process.
[14:41:17] <CaptHindsight> jdh: what do you use for a floor mat to wipe your feet before you enter the house? or do you just take off your sandals?
[14:41:59] <LeelooMinai> He can walk the stairs on his hands maybe:)
[14:42:10] <CaptHindsight> put the natural gas generator out in the backyard
[14:42:27] <jdh> plain old mat by the door
[14:45:01] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately there are limits to what one can power in the (typical) home
[14:45:30] <LeelooMinai> I don't plan to mill some huge parts... Maybe 800watt spindle would do?
[14:45:40] <LeelooMinai> If I go slowly
[14:57:05] <CaptHindsight> I have an old Bridgeport that is only 1-1.5KW
[14:59:04] <CaptHindsight> just checked an it's a 1HP version
[14:59:26] <LeelooMinai> The only problem with those smaller 800watt spindles is that they usually accept only small collets, like ER11. I guess I would need at least ER16 for more flexibility?
[14:59:40] <CaptHindsight> I just don't expect to use a 4" facemill and plow through things
[15:00:19] <LeelooMinai> Right, so that's my thinking too - I don't run some factory, just do hobby stuff, so can go slow and gradually
[15:01:24] <LeelooMinai> Would be nice if I could use that 1.5watt spindle with ER16 collets, but since you say my VFD could explode... oh, well:)
[15:01:32] <LeelooMinai> kW*
[15:19:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: are you seeing any activity up there for diesel to natural gas conversions or factory natural gas powered semi trailer tractors?
[15:21:00] <zeeshan> no
[15:21:11] <zeeshan> they are doing steam engines in tractors
[15:21:12] <zeeshan> lol
[15:22:10] <CaptHindsight> coal or wood fired :)
[15:24:32] <zeeshan> corn stock fired
[15:24:33] <zeeshan> :P
[15:25:36] <CaptHindsight> so you have to pull into a cornfield or silo for refueling?
[15:26:06] <zeeshan> i thinkso
[15:26:07] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16247508822_49a64c9294_h.jpg
[15:26:12] <zeeshan> how many code violations do you guys spot
[15:27:15] <CaptHindsight> first of all the electricity will flow 90 deg from normal since the panel is sideways
[15:27:22] <zeeshan> ROFL
[15:28:01] <zeeshan> i see 4 code violations
[15:28:13] <CaptHindsight> besides the front cover not being on
[15:28:18] <zeeshan> well not including that
[15:28:19] <zeeshan> :P
[15:28:32] <CaptHindsight> the bx should stop at the connector
[15:28:33] <zeeshan> notice how the ground
[15:28:38] <zeeshan> is going to the neutral bar
[15:28:40] <zeeshan> yep
[15:28:46] <zeeshan> bux is anotrher one .. no anti short bushing
[15:28:48] <zeeshan> vx
[15:28:50] <zeeshan> bx..
[15:29:09] <zeeshan> then the obvious one, running wires directly from the 15 amp breaker
[15:29:11] <CaptHindsight> you're missing a bushing for the jacketed cable
[15:29:18] <CaptHindsight> well yeah
[15:29:23] <zeeshan> and then using a non white conductor
[15:29:26] <zeeshan> for neutral :P
[15:31:30] <CaptHindsight> is the plastic connector from the service?
[15:31:41] <CaptHindsight> lower middle
[15:31:48] <JT-Shop> looks like you can touch up powder coat and reheat it :)
[15:31:49] <zeeshan> nahh
[15:32:02] <zeeshan> that goes to my house panel
[15:32:05] <zeeshan> which is sub panel now
[15:32:34] <CaptHindsight> you went with an aluminum bus bar!
[15:32:47] <zeeshan> no
[15:32:50] <zeeshan> thats copper
[15:32:52] <zeeshan> tin plated
[15:33:12] <zeeshan> notice the plating bubbling :P
[15:33:20] <CaptHindsight> thats no fun, I like the finish of bare copper
[15:33:38] <zeeshan> me too
[15:33:44] <zeeshan> but tin plating makes it better for longetivity
[15:34:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.teknomega.com/image/image_gallery_uuid=a43845cb-6d1e-48c1-9414-73a386c248a9&groupId=107550&t=1288429829874
[15:34:26] <zeeshan> yea man
[15:34:34] <zeeshan> i did a lot of that at eaton
[15:35:01] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zpsc0883b70.jpg
[15:36:07] <zeeshan> i believe that was for a data center
[15:36:13] <zeeshan> yea it was.
[15:36:16] <zeeshan> http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/null_zps20437ba7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=189
[15:36:20] <CaptHindsight> we once had a 2000A service with a GFCI that would trip
[15:36:20] <zeeshan> this one was for a hospital
[15:36:27] <zeeshan> they spec all their stuff to be coated
[15:36:47] <zeeshan> http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/null_zps8c8e5be8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=183
[15:36:48] <CaptHindsight> ended up being that GE installed the current sense sensor backwards
[15:36:55] <zeeshan> hahja CaptHindsight
[15:36:56] <zeeshan> that happens
[15:37:08] <zeeshan> and its a bitch to change
[15:37:14] <zeeshan> if its not the split kind of current transducer
[15:37:28] <CaptHindsight> it sucks when you're trying to find out why and whats leaking
[15:37:43] <CaptHindsight> and it ends up being faulty brand new equipment
[15:38:48] <zeeshan> it happens
[15:38:52] <zeeshan> it shouldnt, but it does
[15:40:54] <CaptHindsight> why do small CNG conversion kits cost $10K?
[15:41:09] <zeeshan> absolutely no idea
[15:41:15] <zeeshan> probably need special injectors
[15:41:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/gms-pickup-truck-cng-conversion-costs-11000/
[15:41:21] <zeeshan> need high pressure lines..
[15:41:27] <zeeshan> tank fitting..?
[15:41:36] <zeeshan> most time consuming part is prolly retuning the car for cng
[15:41:59] <zeeshan> i wouldnt run cng
[15:42:01] <zeeshan> too dangerous
[15:42:14] <zeeshan> especially with gas prices so low :P
[15:42:48] <zeeshan> jeez its at 48.36 / barrel
[15:43:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Breathing+diesel+exhaust+induces+changes+study+finds/10710209/story.html
[15:43:36] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's not economical
[15:44:28] <CaptHindsight> plus it looks like they have made them difficult to sell in the US by requiring EPA certification of >$100k
[15:44:52] <malcom2073> Well... I bought a mill
[15:45:28] <bobo_> long term LP gas has some value
[15:45:31] <zeeshan> you didnt buy my mill did you
[15:45:32] <zeeshan> lol
[15:45:34] <zeeshan> i sold one today
[15:45:47] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Is your name Mark, and did I just hang out with you? :P
[15:45:59] <zeeshan> hah no
[15:46:03] <CaptHindsight> what did you get?
[15:46:09] <zeeshan> pics!
[15:46:13] <malcom2073> It's a Clausing Kondia
[15:46:19] <malcom2073> no pics, taking pics tomorrow
[15:46:29] <malcom2073> It needs work
[15:46:36] <zeeshan> bridgeport clone?
[15:46:47] <malcom2073> surface rust on the ways, electronics are questionable
[15:46:52] <malcom2073> it's a knee mill yea
[15:47:14] <malcom2073> CNC
[15:47:20] <malcom2073> has ballscrews already :-D
[15:47:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXndED39O4 like this one (only without the fisheye vision)
[15:47:25] <zeeshan> nice
[15:47:39] <zeeshan> http://runtrails.com/mymountaintrail/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140623dcapshaw-6957.jpg
[15:47:41] <zeeshan> looks biger
[15:47:42] <zeeshan> than a birdgeport
[15:47:57] <malcom2073> http://www.uvotech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/FV1-Brochure.pdf
[15:48:01] <malcom2073> Like that
[15:48:13] <malcom2073> Similar, but older than the video
[15:48:21] <zeeshan> nice 3000+lb
[15:48:30] <zeeshan> what kind of taper?
[15:48:32] <zeeshan> it must be not r8
[15:48:33] <malcom2073> Actually... may be identical to the one in the video
[15:48:33] <zeeshan> if its cn
[15:48:34] <zeeshan> c
[15:48:42] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Not R8... not sure.
[15:48:51] <zeeshan> whatrever isa 30 is
[15:48:52] <malcom2073> I'll take pics tomorrow
[15:48:52] <zeeshan> :P
[15:49:02] <malcom2073> yeah
[15:50:48] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2Wj-MDAP4 That, but a much beefier spindle, and cnc not power feed
[15:53:36] <zeeshan> c
[15:53:44] <zeeshan> congrads on your new purchase , is a ncie machine
[15:54:11] <malcom2073> Thanks. Its gonna get a linuxcnc retrofit, if I can't use the servos, i have an anaheim automation 10A 3 axis stepper driver i picked up from an auction for super cheap...
[15:54:26] <zeeshan> dont do it!
[15:54:27] <zeeshan> dont!
[15:55:10] <malcom2073> Servos worth the effort to use?
[15:55:17] <zeeshan> yea
[15:55:22] <zeeshan> especially if theyre already on the machine
[15:55:23] <CaptHindsight> what so hard about servos?
[15:55:28] <zeeshan> and you got a driver
[15:55:45] <malcom2073> If I can hook the drivers to linuxcnc, sure.
[15:55:46] <zeeshan> you have the ability to do full closed loop with linuxcnc
[15:55:48] <zeeshan> take advantage of it
[15:55:56] <zeeshan> you should be able to
[15:56:02] <zeeshan> especially using a 7i77
[15:56:13] <malcom2073> I believe it has slides for feedback, its got huge boxes along each rail, it's weird
[15:56:28] <zeeshan> it probably uses absolute encoders
[15:56:40] <zeeshan> which is more reason not to get rid of servos
[15:56:54] <zeeshan> absolute encoder machines from back in the day are slow in terms of speed
[15:56:56] <malcom2073> Ok, well expect lots of questions in the next few months :-P
[15:56:57] <zeeshan> i think limited to 300 ipm
[15:57:05] <malcom2073> Speed isn't a huge issue, I got time
[15:57:06] <zeeshan> but theyre super accurate
[15:59:10] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjTVBSsPOKU
[15:59:12] <zeeshan> secksi
[15:59:40] <zeeshan> lol at it being called a 3 axis
[16:03:37] <malcom2073> lol 3
[16:03:45] <CaptHindsight> heh 1st comment "Mazak does it better at at lower cost"
[16:19:33] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:49] <malcom2073> gn8? goodnate? gunate?
[16:29:32] <bobo_> zeeshan: is that elect pannel a service enterance or a sub feed pannel?
[16:30:51] <bobo_> service enterence
[16:38:48] <Loetmichel> malcom2073: german. "gute n(acht)"
[16:39:06] <malcom2073> Ah, that makes more sense, thanks. I've seen that before never understood it
[16:40:16] <Loetmichel> which is literally "good night"
[17:28:03] <zeeshan> bobo_: service entrance
[17:28:42] <CaptHindsight> http://makezine.com/2015/01/07/circular-knitic-an-open-hardware-knitting-machine/ I'm going to combine this with SLA and carbon fiber
[17:30:18] <CaptHindsight> The Carbolaseresinter Printer
[17:31:22] <furrywolf> went to a few yard sales today... didn't get much. a new harbor freight stainless screw assortment (the one with the pull-out drawers) for $5, and a M&K MX-80 powered sub, also $5.
[17:32:15] <malcom2073> It has a QC30 spindle, which is apparently a Erickson quick change
[17:32:38] <malcom2073> And is compatible with NMTB30 tool holders, if they're actually made to spec
[17:32:46] <malcom2073> No tooling comes with it... figures.
[17:33:11] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Miller-Kreisel-M-K-MX-80-Audiophile-Powered-Subwoofer-/151464024722 I don't need more speakers, but for $5, I wasn't going to leave it there. :)
[17:33:44] <CaptHindsight> that becomes the problem, 10 years later you have all this neat stuff that you never use
[17:33:54] <furrywolf> ebay! :P
[17:34:08] <CaptHindsight> 5-10 years is my new max
[17:34:35] <furrywolf> according to ebay, I can turn a $200+ profit if I get rid of it.
[17:34:40] <CaptHindsight> if it's still in the box I get rid of it (even though two weeks later I'll finally need it )
[17:35:33] * JT-Shop has a kwik switch spindle on the BP
[17:36:21] <CaptHindsight> been tempted to do the same but it's an old J head
[17:36:34] <furrywolf> I've been tempted to make a faux fur making machine, but never a knitting machine. I think there's an untapped market for specialty faux fur products that would require a special machine to create.
[17:36:45] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll replace it with something newer and with more power
[17:37:18] <furrywolf> it's a form of knitting, just with very different inputs and output.
[17:37:20] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: adhesive film, fur + wind tunnel?
[17:37:51] <furrywolf> no. :P
[17:38:37] <furrywolf> I know at least one company making specialty faux fur uses an antique wigmaking machine...
[17:39:27] <XXCoder> check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rih84vg3Frk
[17:40:02] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: which head is on yours?
[17:40:30] <CaptHindsight> I guess I could just make a new head for mine
[17:40:32] <zeeshan> is it true you cant run bare ground
[17:40:33] <zeeshan> in a conduit
[17:41:50] <furrywolf> dunno, but I generally run thhn in conduit, which is stranded, and you don't see a lot of bare stranded wire...
[17:41:54] <CaptHindsight> bare grounds are ok
[17:42:31] <zeeshan> ll conductors are required to be insulated per section 310.2(A), however the exception states bare conductors are allowed where permitted by other sections of the code, such as 250.119 which states egc can be bare, covered, or insulated.
[17:42:32] <zeeshan> ??
[17:42:57] <JT-Shop> series 1
[17:43:52] <CaptHindsight> 250.62 says that you can use solid wire as a GEC.
[17:44:07] <CaptHindsight> 250.64 specifically says the GEC can be in a conduit if it is #6 or smaller without regard to whether it is stranded or solid. For GECs larger than #6 it does not specifically state it can be in conduit, but it is implied.
[17:44:40] <CaptHindsight> it must be green or bare or reidentify with green tape if larger than #6 200.6
[17:45:06] <CaptHindsight> forget that
[17:45:24] <zeeshan> ??
[17:45:41] <CaptHindsight> it just has to be sized properly
[17:45:50] <zeeshan> ok good!
[17:45:50] <CaptHindsight> color or jacket is not required
[17:46:05] <CaptHindsight> but the inspector might want green tape on the ends
[17:46:21] <furrywolf> and you might want green tape on the ends, so you know which is which after you pull them...
[17:46:40] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its pulled
[17:46:52] <zeeshan> i got black black white bare
[17:46:55] <zeeshan> easy to identify :)
[17:47:04] <zeeshan> http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8575/16247508822_49a64c9294_h.jpg
[17:47:07] <zeeshan> you can see em there
[17:47:57] <XXCoder> http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm interesting. since it's realtime os, I wonder how easy it is to port linuxcnc to ut
[17:48:04] <zeeshan> thank u guys
[17:48:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Bridgeport-4hp-series-2-CNC-Three-Milling-machines-to-pick-from-pick-one-/141536993277
[17:48:59] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: it's not a <40 hour project
[17:49:23] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:49:26] <XXCoder> its asm based
[17:52:41] <CaptHindsight> reverse engineer QNX
[17:55:05] <XXCoder> I remember old qnx demo disk
[17:55:10] <XXCoder> that was damned impressive
[17:57:04] <XXCoder> http://kolibrios.org/en/
[17:57:14] <XXCoder> wow almost as impressive as qnx
[17:58:36] <furrywolf> I hate my connection.
[17:59:17] <XXCoder> http://kolibrios.org/en/ check this out
[18:00:44] <furrywolf> "Have you ever dreamed of a system that boots in less than 10 seconds from power-on to working GUI, on $100 PC? " ... kinda like linux on any sub-$100 pc?
[18:01:41] <furrywolf> I think my toughbook boots in about that, and it's loading a whole lot more crap than they are.
[18:01:42] <furrywolf> and written entirely in asm tends to imply unmaintainable by anyone other than whomever wrote it the first time.
[18:02:38] <XXCoder> there is that unless heavily documunated
[18:03:07] <CaptHindsight> coreboot boots in <1 sec
[18:03:29] <CaptHindsight> the limitation is on the flash bandwidth
[18:05:22] <furrywolf> in addition to hating my internet connection, I also hate inkjets. I just tried printing a photo. the colors are way off. did a nozzle test... no yellow to speak of, and magenta is printing as black! normally I'd assume that meant just the end of the nozzle soaked up some black from the cleaning pads, but I just printed a 4x6 photo, which would be sure to get it all out! wtf?
[18:06:59] <gennro> inkjet printers, meh
[18:07:25] <CaptHindsight> the idea behind inkjet printers is to get you to buy as much ink as possible
[18:07:49] <XXCoder> inkjet ink is more expensive than blood
[18:07:54] <XXCoder> let alone oil
[18:08:06] <XXCoder> get laser printer
[18:08:16] <CaptHindsight> $5/L ink that gets sold for $5K/L after being filled into 15mL cartridges
[18:08:39] <furrywolf> I have a color laser printer in storage, but it's too low resolution for photos, and it needs a new blue transfer belt thingy, which costs as much as the printer is worth.
[18:08:45] <gennro> yeah I bought a laser printer a few months ago
[18:08:49] <XXCoder> chart http://boingboing.net/filesroot/200912301004.jpg
[18:09:14] <CaptHindsight> I make my own ink so it costs me less than a laser
[18:09:45] <XXCoder> nice. how?
[18:10:16] <gennro> I was always told inkjet ink was unicorn blood.....
[18:11:42] <furrywolf> hrmm, I'm no expert on the price of blood, but I do know when we ship boxes of it at work, they're insured in the $3k-$5k range. from what I've seen of them packing them, each one contains maybe 10 "units" of I think a pint each, or about 5L. by my math, that's closer to $1/ml...
[18:11:49] <gennro> so running machinekit on a raspberry pi using the GPIOs to run a 3d printer, even possible?
[18:13:35] <furrywolf> no idea what machinekit is, but gpios should be fine for running a 3d printer, and the pi certainly has the cpu power.
[18:14:11] <gennro> machinekit is a fork of linuxcnc that supports more hardware and is upadting all the legacy stuff
[18:14:30] <gennro> better support for 3d printers and embedded linux solutions
[18:14:58] <furrywolf> wow they have an awful website.
[18:15:04] <gennro> yes they do
[18:15:10] <gennro> pi
[18:15:18] <CaptHindsight> the arm soc on the Rpi doesn't have real time GPIO's
[18:15:48] <gennro> yeah that is what I heard
[18:16:07] <CaptHindsight> machinekit uses the TI BBB with the two microcontrollers on chip that can handle real time stepping
[18:16:16] <furrywolf> can you bitbang the video port or something silly?
[18:17:03] <gennro> have also thought about using an arduino nano as a buffer
[18:17:08] <furrywolf> progress! ... maybe. now I have yellow, but no cyan nor magenta.
[18:17:53] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: soak the nozzles of cartridges in some IPA for a few minutes
[18:18:26] <furrywolf> and apparantly I don't print much yellow, as I have two yellow carts and one black cart left.
[18:21:01] <Connor1> Man.. I tell you what.. I can't catch a break on anything with this damn RV. Now the Black and Grey Water holding tanks are frozzen..
[18:21:12] <Connor1> I can't dump anything.. and the black needs to be.
[18:22:10] <furrywolf> dump rock salt down the toilet
[18:22:19] <furrywolf> along with a bucket of hot water
[18:22:23] <Connor> I put antifreeze down it...
[18:22:32] <Connor> and then hot water.. and more antifreeze..
[18:22:57] <furrywolf> go drive it to a warmer part of the country.
[18:23:00] <Connor> just not done anything yet.. I even have a small forced air heater under the RV contained in a styrafoam box..
[18:23:41] <furrywolf> is the whole tank frozen, or just the pipe to the valve?
[18:24:47] <Connor> I really don't know.
[18:25:29] <XXCoder> I remember this joke
[18:25:29] <tjtr33> hello, is the iso csum listed on http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_LinuxCNC.html up to date?
[18:25:31] <furrywolf> remove the pipe from the outlet of the valve, open valve, jam stick in. keep head out of way. :P
[18:25:36] <Connor> It got down to single digits..
[18:25:52] <furrywolf> tjtr: probably not. I don't think ANY of the docs are up to date. lol
[18:25:59] <Connor> furrywolf: That does not sound like a found job to me.
[18:26:19] <XXCoder> guy got sick of snow.. he attached hmm dammit whats that name? to his truck. he drove south till someone said "what's that thing on truck" and moved there lol
[18:26:44] <tjtr33> furrywolf, thx
[18:27:16] <furrywolf> connor: dealing with the black system is rarely fun.
[18:29:03] <furrywolf> find somewhere with a heated garage, and set up a propane or kerosene heater aimed at the black tank and plumbing.
[18:29:46] <Connor> Yea, That's a tad easier said than done ATM.
[18:29:59] <XXCoder> or get one of those radatior heat thingy with dish, aim it to under where it is
[18:30:12] <furrywolf> xxcoder: the output of electric heaters is roughly useless.
[18:30:26] <Connor> XXCoder: Too tall to fit under the 12" space..
[18:30:36] <Connor> I need one of those That looks like a jet engine.
[18:30:53] <XXCoder> is rv inside being heated now?
[18:30:56] <tjtr33> salamander or heat enema
[18:31:04] <Connor> Yes, inside is fine.
[18:31:09] <Connor> It's just the holding tanks.
[18:31:31] <XXCoder> hmm so it's not extending heat to there
[18:31:49] <furrywolf> heat enema? now I've had plenty of enemas, but a heat enema sounds scary. :P
[18:33:37] <Connor> XXCoder: no, the holding tank is below the RV.. as is the dump valve and pipes.. which are open and exposed.
[18:33:57] <XXCoder> boil hgeavily salted water and pour it in?
[18:34:18] <XXCoder> salt means it takes LOT more cold to freeze and it cools off much slower
[18:35:10] <Connor> I think I'm just going to deal with it in the morning and hope it's warmed up some.. Just not sure how hot it needs to be before it starts to Thaw.
[18:35:19] <furrywolf> next time, add the antifreeze to the empty tank, rather than waiting until you have a full frozen one. :)
[18:35:40] <XXCoder> Frozen throne, sequel to Frozen lol
[18:35:41] <Connor> 46 high, 39 low tomorrow.
[18:36:04] <Connor> furrywolf: Yea. well.. This is completly new.. First time staying in a RV.
[18:36:19] <Connor> No running water.. now no way to dump the Black...
[18:36:54] <XXCoder> hope you can release the karaken tomorrow heh
[18:37:52] <furrywolf> wrap the plumbing in an electric blanket, heat tape, etc.
[18:38:36] <Connor> anyone know how much lee-way you have on the indicators? I.E. how much more can go in before it backs up ?
[18:38:53] <furrywolf> that depends entirely on your rv.
[18:39:48] <furrywolf> argh... I finally got the cyan printing, but only after enough cleaning cycles that I ran the yellow and black out.
[18:40:20] <XXCoder> that sucks
[18:40:33] <furrywolf> you know, if I weren't buying $1 ebay carts, I'd be really pissed right about now.
[18:40:42] <XXCoder> nicre
[18:41:34] <furrywolf> I have no idea how people spend $25 a cartridge
[18:41:47] <XXCoder> dunno
[18:41:56] <XXCoder> I loved my old laser printer
[18:42:17] <XXCoder> I printed enough to save enough (as compared to inkjet) to buy 2 of that same printer
[18:42:25] <XXCoder> and it was $1,000 printer
[18:43:16] <furrywolf> I still have two old laserjet series IIs in storage... one of them even works!
[18:47:18] <furrywolf> I had a brother printer once based on the same canon chasis as the ljsII, but a little fancier, including a real page counter. it was at something like 840,000 pages.
[18:47:44] <furrywolf> new laser printers are all plastic, and don't have the same life expectancy. heh.
[18:48:41] <furrywolf> the other ljsII I have needs a new power supply capacitor and a new fusor lamp... I stole its lamp to make the other one work.
[18:51:24] <furrywolf> I could scrap them and get newer printers, but I like them. heh
[19:00:51] <furrywolf> grrr, can't get all magenta nozzles to fire at once. every time I clean it, a DIFFERENT 2/3rds of them work.
[19:00:54] <furrywolf> I hate inkjets.
[19:02:18] * SpeedEvil passes furrywolf a nice reliable daisywheel.
[19:03:07] <furrywolf> I have one in storage!
[19:03:44] <furrywolf> it speaks EBCDIC. :P
[19:03:50] <furrywolf> with rs422 I think.
[19:04:33] <XXCoder> buy this ;) http://blog.shoplet.com/office-supplies/praying-for-a-lego-printer/
[19:04:47] <furrywolf> last time I wrote a driver for it, it was under DOS and wordperfect for dos...
[19:10:58] <XXCoder> did you see the video?
[19:16:42] <furrywolf> what video?
[19:16:52] <XXCoder> one I linked to sec ago lol
[19:17:05] <furrywolf> with my internet connection, I ignore videos.
[19:17:17] <XXCoder> oh right. too bad
[19:17:21] <XXCoder> well basically
[19:17:28] <XXCoder> its lego printer
[19:17:45] <XXCoder> it uses ink pen and computer controls it
[19:17:46] <furrywolf> and, in addition to my generally not liking video, and not having the bandwidth for video, the page you linked seems absent of any video unless you install a proprietary plugin.
[19:17:58] <XXCoder> flash
[19:40:43] <furrywolf> grrrr. I'm pretty close to giving up on using the internet today. my connection is just plain sucking.
[19:41:36] * LeelooMinai wonders if furrywolf lives on Antarctica
[19:41:49] <LeelooMinai> Actually, they have probably better internet there:p
[19:42:58] <furrywolf> they have more money there, which helps.
[20:39:02] <furrywolf> grrrr. and to add to my annoyances today, sound on my new laptop doesn't work. it comes out the headphones plug...
[20:40:10] <furrywolf> drivers, volume control, etc all work... just can't get even a crackle out of the internal speakers.
[20:51:18] <malcom2073> On an interesting siden note, the guy I'm buying this mill from is Matt Shaver
[20:53:04] <furrywolf> also, on a related note, can we please execute every single person who replies to a forum post without reading it first?
[20:53:21] <malcom2073> +!
[20:53:59] <malcom2073> +1 even
[21:00:17] <CaptHindsight> http://savethesounds.info/
[21:01:21] <malcom2073> Hah that's awesome
[21:18:47] <furrywolf> from what I can find googling (which is painfully slow due to my fucking worthless internet connection), it's likely a sound card firmware bug, or at least more likely than an actual hardware problem.
[21:19:10] <furrywolf> apparantly if you install win7 and the proper fix from panasonic, the sound will then work in linux too.
[21:19:16] <furrywolf> ... that is not ok.
[21:39:31] <furrywolf> hrmm. someone down the road is having a bonfire, of the likely-unadvisably-large variety.
[21:39:52] <furrywolf> I hear happy children, so it's not a house on fire... but the flames are about as tall.
[21:41:04] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:41:09] <malcom2073> could still be the house on fire
[21:41:11] <malcom2073> never know
[21:45:18] <furrywolf> I've seen plenty of large bonfires. :)
[21:45:43] <furrywolf> the best was when a friend made a box out of pallets, 2x2 square and 3 high, and filled it with month-old christmas trees.
[21:45:53] <furrywolf> maybe it was 4 high
[21:46:21] <malcom2073> Pallets do really qwll
[21:46:23] <malcom2073> well*
[21:46:36] <roycroft> that would be spectacular, but only for about 4 minutes
[21:46:41] <malcom2073> lol
[21:48:00] <furrywolf> roycroft: yep
[21:48:10] <furrywolf> it's scary how fast christmas trees go up
[21:48:52] <roycroft> and how fricking hot the fire is after only seconds
[22:00:12] <furrywolf> yep
[22:07:34] <Jymmm> roycroft: pine sap = fuel =)
[22:08:21] <Jymmm> little bitty veins of gooey fuel ready to ignight
[22:09:33] <Jymmm> and I think act as an anti-freeze for the tree in the winter too iir
[22:09:41] <Jymmm> iirc*
[22:17:01] <Tom_itx> anybody know what the hostmot2 step/table1 dir/table2 pins are for in my 7I90?
[22:17:33] <Tom_itx> actually, what's the default bit file that's loaded on the 7I90?
[22:18:52] <Tom_itx> it looks like a servo config to me
[22:54:05] <s1dev> does anyone know where to source round gear racks 24in in length?
[22:54:08] <s1dev> 1/2"
[22:56:17] <zeeshan> no electruction happened
[22:56:42] <zeeshan> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7561/16251091345_498a51f72d_h.jpg