#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-01-07

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[00:09:08] <PetefromTn_> Woah man can I get an OH YEAH hehe
[00:09:56] <PetefromTn_> so pleased with the Cincinatti tonight.... rigid tapped a SHITE load of holes and never missed a beat. KICK ASS hehe
[00:11:43] <PetefromTn_> finished this project and just got some deburring and cleaning up with brushed finishing to do and it is onto the next one
[00:12:10] <witnit> OHHHHHH YEAAHH!!! =D
[00:12:25] <PetefromTn_> :D
[00:12:35] <PetefromTn_> thanks nit hehe
[00:13:06] <Sairon> good deal
[00:13:15] <PetefromTn_> If I actually had the damn toolchanger working this would have been a fun project but even changing tools manually it was not too bad.
[00:13:18] <witnit> success feels amazing hahaha best when others understand what such a feat can mean to someone
[00:14:05] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow I gotta finish the deburring and then I have a small prototype job to do for a customer. Kind of a neat plate job. simple and should go quickly with just a single tool
[00:14:30] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man you don't know how long I have wanted to have a machine like this running reliably.
[00:14:39] <PetefromTn_> to me it is a VERY big deal.
[00:15:21] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, what wasn't running reliably before?
[00:16:03] <PetefromTn_> nothing....well this is a complete retrofit of a commercial VMC. I bought it and had a lot of trouble from the original control and decided to completely gut it electronically and start over with LinuxCNC
[00:16:37] <PetefromTn_> after dumping a couple grand into the repair parts for the original control I got tired of it.
[00:16:49] <The_Ball> yeah, nice
[00:17:02] <PetefromTn_> now it is back together again for the last few months and has been working great so far.
[00:17:49] <PetefromTn_> It is still not finished yet and has a few little things remaining to be completed but I am still using it daily for my business.
[00:20:05] <The_Ball> awesome, wish I could open a one-man machine shop
[00:20:13] <witnit> do it
[00:20:18] <witnit> you could :)
[00:20:24] <PetefromTn_> it has NOT been easy let me tell ya.
[00:20:26] <XXCoder> back for a min
[00:20:31] <XXCoder> how do you get jobs anyway
[00:20:33] <XXCoder> for cnc
[00:20:39] <XXCoder> meaning orders etc
[00:20:45] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, I believe that
[00:20:47] <XXCoder> unless your company secret
[00:20:53] <XXCoder> *its a
[00:21:09] <witnit> I did cold contacting and then the rest of my job came through the gravevine
[00:21:21] <witnit> grapevine*
[00:21:54] <PetefromTn_> no secret...just beat the fuckin' ground and knock on every damn door smiling like a salesman and try to get work wherever possible. I STILL have a lot of times when I have nothing to do but it seems to be getting better lately.
[00:22:33] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY enjoyed using that little 5c Collet closer today.
[00:22:35] <XXCoder> cool
[00:22:46] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, best of luck, how long have you been doing it, I hear 5-10 years to build a reputation
[00:22:54] <XXCoder> its sounding more and more like job offer fell though because theyre concerned about interpeting
[00:22:57] <PetefromTn_> it is a stout little thing and after some teething problems worked great.
[00:23:04] <XXCoder> its one of very few times being deaf sucks
[00:23:10] <PetefromTn_> Thanks ball
[00:23:21] <XXCoder> 80% of deaf is unemployed
[00:23:31] <XXCoder> im actually one of 20%
[00:23:34] <witnit> :)
[00:23:39] <witnit> 100% deaf?
[00:23:44] <PetefromTn_> I found that the little handle despite having three setscrews on it is NOT enough to hold the clamp tube.
[00:23:45] <XXCoder> completely
[00:24:35] <The_Ball> XXCoder, sorry to hear that, can I ask if really loud noises are still somehow painful or not at all?
[00:24:35] <PetefromTn_> so I wound up drilling a little pocket in the side of the tube for one of the setscrews to go into the body of the tube and let the other two do the clamping. That fixed the slipping.
[00:24:47] <XXCoder> The_Ball: only physical damage ones
[00:25:06] <XXCoder> I sure as heck can feel the puncher machine chug along LOL
[00:25:19] <witnit> I thought about building a control system for the disabled, not the deaf but it is an encoder for the rotation in a chair and encoder for the front to back rocking motion, so one can control the mouse with their body, yet type with the good arm and click left right with foot pedals :)
[00:25:44] <PetefromTn_> then I found that using it vertically against my big slotted cast iron angle plate the little stop pin you use to lock the angle can fall out under some vibration of the cut
[00:25:52] <PetefromTn_> that was interesting...LOL
[00:25:56] <XXCoder> only difference for pure deaf like myself is dont bother with speakers
[00:26:10] <XXCoder> of course im actually pretty rare. most deaf has small amount of hearing left
[00:26:18] <witnit> but you can use vibration
[00:26:30] <XXCoder> for?
[00:26:32] <PetefromTn_> so I grabbed a little piece of Tig wire and belt it into a little U shape and locked it thru two of the adjacent holes to hold the pin in place.
[00:26:37] <witnit> with if you can associate vibration with sound
[00:26:47] <XXCoder> it dont work like that witnit
[00:26:51] <witnit> you can have more awareness
[00:27:00] <XXCoder> I grew up deaf. my brain never grew the hearing parts
[00:27:05] <XXCoder> and you need those to interpet
[00:27:27] <The_Ball> witnit, lol, I think you need to trust XXCoder here
[00:28:00] <witnit> I was just thinking you would be able to convert audio into vibration and orient direction with it
[00:29:07] <Sairon> naw, convert audio in to electric pulse
[00:29:15] <XXCoder> taser
[00:29:18] <Sairon> right
[00:29:24] <witnit> basically :)
[00:29:39] <witnit> wear a belt with electrodes all the way around
[00:29:41] <The_Ball> But other senses heighten as they are used more, I remember seeing on tv a blind person in a airbaloon able to tell when they were rising/falling better than the baloonist
[00:29:58] <witnit> if someone fired a gun you would feel the direction it comes from
[00:30:04] <XXCoder> The_Ball: I cant smell but I can taste more than people who cant smell
[00:30:25] <Sairon> to be fair witnit
[00:30:31] <XXCoder> and my vision... well its freaking annoying
[00:30:32] <Sairon> you feel the direction of a gunshot
[00:30:37] <Sairon> without being able to hear
[00:30:47] <Sairon> don't shoot guns much, i take it
[00:30:47] <XXCoder> everyone has around 180 degree vision, but I use pretty much all of it
[00:31:04] <XXCoder> ny focus area is well over twice space as average
[00:31:35] <witnit> you dont shoot guns much?
[00:31:57] <XXCoder> I dont shoot guns period
[00:32:12] <The_Ball> XXCoder, you mean your sharp sight is wider or your area of attention is wider?
[00:32:15] <witnit> my neighbor had all these bullet making machines we shot sooooo much
[00:32:22] <XXCoder> The_Ball: both
[00:32:29] <witnit> buckets of lead
[00:32:57] <XXCoder> which makes it bit distracting sometimes. I could read other person test paper while staring stright down to my paper. I had to carefully ignore others
[00:33:23] <XXCoder> thats why I tended to try get ends of table so that's ha;lf distraction lol
[00:33:39] <The_Ball> XXCoder, wow, never heard of anyone being able to do that
[00:33:51] <The_Ball> I've tried, lol
[00:33:51] <XXCoder> its not percise but yeah can
[00:34:12] <witnit> so you can look your wife in the eye and watch a hottie bend over at the same time...
[00:34:15] <witnit> glorious
[00:34:32] <XXCoder> not much of eye wanderer here
[00:34:34] <XXCoder> well
[00:34:45] <XXCoder> time to sleep, dont wanna sleep at 1 am again and wake 5 am uggh
[00:34:59] <The_Ball> sleep well
[00:36:16] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig39xRVsqg0 pretty sweet rotary unit shop built...
[04:16:40] <Loetmichel> anyone needs an oneplus invite? i dont have the 300 eur at hand right now, so i wont use it.
[05:05:14] <syyl_ws_> archivist
[05:05:19] <syyl_ws_> my lorch lathe arived :D
[05:05:21] <syyl_ws_> ist just small
[05:05:29] <syyl_ws_> way smaller than yours
[05:05:38] <syyl_ws_> and also a beauty
[05:05:45] <syyl_ws_> nickle platet parts
[05:05:47] <syyl_ws_> brass
[05:05:52] <syyl_ws_> plain, ground steel
[05:06:00] <syyl_ws_> collets from .3 to 5mm
[05:11:54] <archivist_herron> there are 8 and 6mm versions
[05:13:34] <archivist_herron> I think the diameter of the parallel portion of the collet is the 6 or 8 mm
[05:14:17] <archivist_herron> the plating on mine is 99.9% fallen off
[05:14:32] <archivist_herron> had a hard life probably
[05:16:14] <syyl_ws_> mine uses 6mm collets
[05:16:23] <syyl_ws_> such a nice machine
[05:16:28] <syyl_ws_> had it running
[05:16:34] <syyl_ws_> smooooth :D
[05:16:47] <syyl_ws_> the original motor with speed control is also in the box
[05:17:19] <archivist_herron> I am at a job today, ...with lorch headstock and spanner as todays plaything while working on website
[05:19:43] <archivist_herron> I took out the shakeproof washer and surprise(not) the nut is the right way to get the spanner on/off, I think lorch filed the brass washer to get levers and nuts to the right place/angle
[05:22:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Lathe-mini-ManSon-restored-antique-micro-Monarch-10EE-jewelers-watch-/231414756807
[05:22:46] <SpeedEvil> on the topic of mini-lathes
[05:26:29] <archivist_herron> well made
[05:39:27] <Deejay> moin
[05:39:45] <SpeedEvil> hey
[05:59:50] <mrsun> so upgrade from 2 to 3mm steel wire .. lets see if i can rip this one it two
[07:12:34] <jthornton> drip, drip, cough, cough... yuck
[07:23:03] <Tom_itx> 16°F
[07:46:05] <jthornton> 25F and falling
[07:46:22] <Tom_itx> the sky is falling!
[07:46:42] * jthornton couldn't find the house last night it was so dark and the motion lights were turned off
[07:46:55] <jthornton> that's a weird feeling to be lost in your driveway
[07:47:02] <Tom_itx> heh
[07:47:47] <archivist_herron> excess beer error?
[07:48:11] <jthornton> no, just damn dark and cloud covered skys
[07:48:39] <jthornton> could not even make out the house it was so dark
[07:49:04] <jthornton> I usually know about how many steps in what direction to walk then the motion light comes on...
[08:01:11] <Tom_itx> somebody moved it
[08:02:07] <malcom2073> The light, or the house?
[08:07:08] <jthornton> when the power blinks the motion lights stay on all the time till you turn them off for a few minutes... but you gotta remember to turn them back on
[08:07:36] <Tom_itx> mine works the same way
[08:08:19] <jthornton> it can be an annoying "feature" at times
[08:09:00] <Tom_itx> if i'm in the back of the shop, the rear one comes on
[08:09:09] <Tom_itx> apparently it sees thru walls
[08:09:20] <Tom_itx> i should raise the sensor up a bit
[08:09:24] <jthornton> that's pretty amazing
[08:09:57] * jthornton heads for a shower and a shot of NyQuil then we will see how far I make it
[09:51:25] <norias> oi
[09:51:37] * JT-Shop goes wanders in for a nap
[09:51:58] <JT-Shop> I'm not making sense it must be time to lay down
[09:55:38] <norias> heh
[09:56:09] <norias> got a cot in that shop/
[09:56:12] <norias> ?
[10:02:42] <archivist_herron> cnc cot, fluffs up the pillow and tucks you in
[10:16:09] <mrsun> making a realy long straight measuring bench ... think that 3 points and a machine level could get me there? =)
[10:16:40] <mrsun> a precision profile (rectangular steel profile) and 3 points on it to push it/pull it in line .. then move around machinist level to make it dead straight
[10:17:36] <ssi> depends how precise you need it
[10:18:20] <mrsun> noticed that my X axis on the machine is bent ... and might need due to my brain straighten it :P
[10:18:44] <mrsun> so need a dead straight comparation surface =)
[10:21:11] <mrsun> but i guess there will be more parameters .. twist in the profile etc :/
[10:21:36] <mrsun> 6 bolts ... to also be able to take twist out of the sucker :P
[10:22:23] <ssi> more than that, you'll have convexity/concavity between your bolts, and general lack of flatness
[10:22:45] <mrsun> meh .. true that also :P
[10:23:01] <malcom2073> Could price out used grainte slabs
[10:23:12] <malcom2073> they're in the $300-$400 range for a 4'x4'
[10:23:42] <alex____w> friends have bought new 2x4 granite surface plates for under $200
[10:23:52] <alex____w> though i haven't seem them that cheap again for a while
[10:23:53] <mrsun> i know my rails was bent .. i hoped my beams would be able to move them straight .. but aparently not :/
[10:24:05] <mrsun> i guess some flame straightening of stuff is in order
[10:24:12] <alex____w> is your machine a cnc router?
[10:24:16] <mrsun> alex____w: yes
[10:24:32] * SpeedEvil passes mrsun a large hammer.
[10:24:46] <mrsun> SpeedEvil: haha .. to uncontrolled =)
[10:24:49] <malcom2073> Just be careful, that your U shape doesn't turn into a W shape :)
[10:25:09] * Loetmichel switched the hamemr to a copper hammer with birdshot inside
[10:25:47] <mrsun> malcom2073: hehe ... i was almost thinking of heating the whole side of the rail (the side that i want it bent towards ...) fast with a torch ... to get an even bend back =)
[10:25:53] <malcom2073> also don't forget to re-harden if you get them above the annealing temp.
[10:26:26] <mrsun> as it was a L profile that i cut 25mm off one side of ... so the internal stresses bent the profile
[10:26:32] <mrsun> when they were released =)
[10:26:37] <mrsun> malcom2073: just ordenary angle iron
[10:26:41] <mrsun> so no problem there =)
[10:27:05] <mrsun> problem is a fast enough heat cycle .. and that they are already painted... sigh :P
[10:31:12] <mrsun> or i just leave it ... and go about my merry life ...
[10:31:24] <mrsun> as its not much .. just annoying now that i know if it :P
[10:46:40] <Loetmichel> mrsun: gt some big malled and a wooden plank and use "juuust right" dosed bruital force ;-9
[10:46:46] <Loetmichel> mallet
[10:46:53] <Loetmichel> get
[10:46:57] <Loetmichel> brutal
[10:47:07] <Loetmichel> <- shitty acer keyboard again
[10:49:29] <tjtr33> robinsz, did you see the work on jog while paused? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSx2zIUWVzQ
[10:57:54] <SpeedEvil> https://i.imgur.com/n3t4y7f.jpg - I Lolled.
[10:58:46] <tjtr33> love it
[10:58:48] <malcom2073> haha
[10:58:50] <malcom2073> Nice
[11:03:21] <zeeshan|2> hahhahaha
[11:19:10] <PetefromTn_> Hey guys got a hardware question for you.... I am looking for a funky threaded nut that I have seen used in different applications.
[11:19:37] <PetefromTn_> basically it is a dowel pin that is drilled and tapped thru the center along its length crosswise
[11:19:59] <Jymmm> hang on
[11:20:05] <PetefromTn_> so that it can be inserted into a machined hole and then a screw threaded into it from the side thru a clearance hole in the material
[11:20:15] <Jymmm> hang on
[11:20:17] <PetefromTn_> I cannot think of what you would call that..
[11:20:26] <Jymmm> hang on
[11:20:41] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/12-Cross-Dowels-Barrel-Nuts/dp/B00BOZ7NGE
[11:20:58] <PetefromTn_> sweet thanks..
[11:21:03] <malcom2073> I was actually just thinking about those
[11:21:05] <PetefromTn_> cross dowels barrel nuts
[11:21:10] <malcom2073> Thinking of using large ones to hold together my frame
[11:21:15] <Jymmm> just cross dowel nuts
[11:21:16] <PetefromTn_> I have an application that would be perfect for these
[11:21:23] <Jymmm> primarily used in furniture
[11:22:28] <Jymmm> another http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-1-4-in-20-x-16-mm-Zinc-Plated-Type-D-Cross-Dowel-Nut-4-Pieces-54554/202105595
[11:22:39] <PetefromTn_> I see that is there an application for metal? I have been given a project to machine a couple hundred clamp style things and I was thinking something like this would be better than drilling and tapping into aluminum for longevitys sake..
[11:22:46] <Jymmm> But shitty "Crown Bolt" version
[11:23:16] <PetefromTn_> I don't even need the end machined just the threaded hole in the center
[11:23:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: just google "cross nut"
[11:24:08] <Jymmm> 1/4"-20 is common thread
[11:24:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah already done.
[11:25:15] <PetefromTn_> would be nice to find a suitable metric this is for a bicycle application and most everything bicycle seems to be metric
[11:25:32] <Jymmm> amazon
[11:25:46] <Jymmm> McMaster, Grainger, etc
[11:26:23] <zeeshan|2> forming taps :)
[11:26:46] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Not worth it for the cost of the cross nuts
[11:27:07] <zeeshan|2> steel doesnt belong on a bike
[11:27:07] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gDN5eJM.jpg Here's my final 5c Collet spin indexer setup after machining all those damn standoff 3/4 inch rods last night and rigid tapping 3/8-16 holes until 2am LOL... Worked a treat after some simple mods...
[11:27:08] <zeeshan|2> :)
[11:27:22] <zeeshan|2> nicee
[11:27:24] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: you cant even get/cut the rod to lengths for the price
[11:27:31] <zeeshan|2> did you get the cam working?
[11:27:35] <PetefromTn_> ?
[11:27:43] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: price isnt everything
[11:27:44] <PetefromTn_> no just hand coded the bastard...
[11:27:50] <zeeshan|2> especilly on bikes
[11:28:18] <zeeshan|2> nice setup pete
[11:28:28] <PetefromTn_> this part is all aluminum the only piece I want steel is the cross dowel pin to ensure the threaded hole will last for a LONG time...
[11:28:30] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Until they learn what a stop sign is, I don't care.
[11:28:47] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: haha
[11:28:53] <zeeshan|2> damn bikers
[11:29:12] <PetefromTn_> plus with a steel cross dowl pin and a shcs bolt it should allow more tension on the clamping..
[11:29:18] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Even a Sheriff hit and killed one a couple of years ago
[11:30:20] <PetefromTn_> I love my recumbent Short wheel base Under seat steering bike I built.
[11:30:51] <malcom2073> Sounds short, and hard to see :P
[11:30:52] <PetefromTn_> feels like you are flying when you bank into turns and it is SO DAMN COMFORTABLE to ride
[11:31:20] <PetefromTn_> not really.. Trikes are really short and hard to see but they are super nice to ride
[11:31:26] <PetefromTn_> mine is a two wheeler
[11:32:53] <PetefromTn_> http://s1.hubimg.com/u/159440_f520.jpg I want one of these... it is an optima Baron. I was thinking of building one like it.
[11:38:32] <Jymmm> Cheap $4 12VDC digital temperature controller http://search.ebay.com/541255703
[11:39:20] <malcom2073> 0 results found
[11:39:44] <malcom2073> Though I clicked it more out of curiosity than an intention to trust anything to a $4 temp controller
[11:40:09] <Jymmm> search.ebay.com/361084842046
[11:40:17] <Jymmm> http://search.ebay.com/361084842046
[11:40:56] <Jymmm> malcom2073: who cares?! $4 for a temp controller for simple applicantions sure beats $200
[11:41:12] <malcom2073> True true
[11:41:22] <malcom2073> amazon has some $30-$40 dealios, probably identical on the inside
[11:41:27] <Jymmm> Buy 2 and be redundant =)
[11:42:07] <malcom2073> heh
[11:42:07] <Jymmm> 12VDC could be automotive applications (block heater?)
[11:42:48] <Jymmm> fan, solar, pump, livestock etc
[11:43:53] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://www.ebay.com/itm/12VDC-Temperature-Controller-30-120-C-Thermo-Switch-15A-Normally-Open-Relay/140524908922?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3Da8637337c91f45b7bfe78ab761f285bd%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D20131227121020%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26
[11:44:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: $15+$4 and no probe for comparison
[11:44:24] <malcom2073> See? I trust that more because it costs more... yet that makes no logical sense
[11:44:33] <SpeedEvil> 220VAC PIDs are common and pretty cheap
[11:44:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and no display either
[11:44:34] <SpeedEvil> or 110
[11:44:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-PID-F-C-SSR-Thermostat-Temperature-Controller-PT100-Thermocouple-/400683490562?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&var=&hash=item5d4a98dd02
[11:46:21] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, http://www.python-lowracer.de/pics/gallery/index.html
[11:47:05] <tjtr33> 1st python bike i saw was pvc
[11:47:37] <tjtr33> seeing the baron i wondered if schedule 80 cold be the frame
[11:49:41] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have seen that python photos. that thing is LOW! Doesn't it pivot in the middle or something ?
[11:51:20] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-All-Purpose-PID-Temperature-Control-Controller-STC-1000-Sensor-220V-TE54-/201258817918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edbf5d97e
[11:51:24] <roycroft> i have a couple of those
[11:51:27] <roycroft> they work fine
[11:51:53] <roycroft> as shipped they are not true pid controllers, but there is pid code that can be burned into them easily
[11:52:01] <Jymmm> roycroft: there are shitloads of 220VAC out there
[11:52:16] <roycroft> the st1000 is also available in 110vac
[11:52:23] <roycroft> which are the ones i have actually
[11:52:34] <roycroft> i saw someone mention 220vac, so i posted that link
[11:52:47] <Jymmm> That was the 1st 12VDC I've seen under 2" sq
[11:52:52] <roycroft> i'm not sure what the application is, because i wasn't around for the beginning of the discussion
[11:52:53] <Jymmm> =)
[11:53:24] <Jymmm> roycroft: Just for whatever or automotive, livestock, etc
[11:53:47] <Jymmm> roycroft: for $4 you can't beat it
[11:54:20] <Jymmm> backup temp alarm, etc
[11:54:32] <Jymmm> for like freezer
[11:54:42] <roycroft> i use these on my brew system:
[11:54:44] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-16-DIN-UNIVERSAL-PID-TEMPERATURE-CONTROLLER-/200404683527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ea90ccb07
[11:54:46] <roycroft> they work great
[11:55:12] <malcom2073> It's artificial intelligence enhanced pid!
[11:55:17] <roycroft> it takes a while for them to train up on the system, but that only needs to be done seasonally
[11:56:05] <roycroft> they're overkill for many applications, of course
[11:56:40] <malcom2073> I'm actually looking for a temp controller to make a heated enclosure
[11:56:56] <malcom2073> 1250watt 110v heater coil
[11:57:12] <roycroft> how closely do you need to control the temperature?
[11:57:25] <malcom2073> Not a clue, I'll find out if it makes a difference :)
[11:57:41] <Jymmm> malcom2073: what are you heating and why?
[11:57:46] <malcom2073> I expect the tighter the control, the better
[11:57:58] <malcom2073> Jymmm: *whispers* 3d printer chamber
[11:57:59] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw9gWlpdQoI This is a nice homebuilt trike I was intersted in
[11:58:06] <roycroft> if so, then use a pid controller
[11:58:15] <malcom2073> yeah
[11:58:29] <PetefromTn_> oops sorry wrong forum LOL
[11:58:40] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Yeah, what roycroft said, but not a $50 one, maybe a $20 one
[11:59:07] <roycroft> and if you're comfortable soldering a couple wires on a pcb, get one of those stc1000 controllers and push the pid code onto it
[11:59:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-RNR-PID-Digital-Temperature-Control-Controller-1-Alarm-Relay-Output-TC-RTD/271660193617?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D6e0fb840e0be4c468623e7ac4a37fe41%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D20131227121020%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26
[11:59:35] <malcom2073> I am, I thought about using an arduino with a SSR I have laying around, which is how I tested the heater in the first place, pwming it at different rates to find out power consumption
[11:59:39] <Jymmm> malcom2073: ships from USA
[11:59:46] <malcom2073> Nice, cheap too
[11:59:57] <roycroft> iirc the stc1000 can swith up to 15a directly, so you would not need a relay/ssr with it
[12:00:24] <malcom2073> roycroft: http://www.amazon.com/Digital-All-purpose-Temperature-Controller-STC-1000/dp/B00862G3TQ that?
[12:00:52] <malcom2073> Yo usaid push code, what micro does it use?
[12:01:32] <roycroft> i think it's an atmel, but i'm not sure
[12:02:14] <roycroft> i'm looking for a link to the pid code project - give me a moment
[12:02:21] <malcom2073> https://github.com/matsstaff/stc1000p
[12:03:35] <malcom2073> PIC16F1828 based, nice
[12:03:41] <roycroft> that's the stuff, malcom2073
[12:03:48] <roycroft> oh, it's a pic
[12:03:49] <malcom2073> I do love me hackable hardware
[12:04:04] <roycroft> anyway, that's probably the cheapest and easiest way to get a pid controller
[12:11:51] <Jymmm> This has "free maintenance dual ball bearings"... http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Bit-LED-8-Bit-Digital-Tube-8-KeyS-TM1638-Display-module-for-AVR-Arduino-ARM-/400531985021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4191127d
[12:12:18] <Jymmm> 9500 RPM too!!!
[12:12:34] <Rab> If you need files, please click this button below.
[12:13:05] <Jymmm> I aint clicking that link
[12:13:16] <Rab> 530 Login authentication failed, hahaha
[12:13:25] <SpeedEvil> All fans have maintainance free bearings.
[12:13:35] <SpeedEvil> At least all computer fans.
[12:13:43] * SpeedEvil wants grease nipples.
[12:14:50] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I seached amazon for "something fun" and it returned "hand shaped pasties" and "$6 engagement ring"
[12:15:12] <Rab> Rotation direction: the wind from stents place eduction, facing the rotor counter-clockwise
[12:15:50] * SpeedEvil ponders cornish pasties.
[12:16:38] <archivist> long way for you to fetch
[12:18:12] <Jymmm> If you ignore the stepper motor part, these are great to drive relays from uC/paraport http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-ULN2003-Stepper-Motor-stepper-motor-driver-Board-Arduino-AVR-AR-NEW-/130944309559?tfrom=110954332290&tpos=top&ttype=price&talgo=undefined
[12:19:16] <malcom2073> darlington drivers, I think I have a box of like 200 of them uln's
[12:19:54] <Jymmm> Yeah I have a few uln2008 iirc
[12:21:08] <Jymmm> what the... http://www.ebay.com/itm/3V-6V-DC-Hobby-Motor-Type-TT-Homotaxial-1-120-Gear-motor-Wheel-good-/131274475067?tfrom=110954332290&tpos=top&ttype=price&talgo=undefined
[12:22:44] <Rab> I suppose, considered in isolation, it's hard to see an application.
[12:23:26] <Jymmm> motorized beer delivery?
[12:24:24] <Jymmm> although, depending on the tire, a friction based feed system
[12:25:34] <Jymmm> ?
[12:26:51] <Rab> It's a toy, you put two of them on whatever you want.
[12:27:47] <Jymmm> why 2? Why not one on a stick?
[12:28:01] <malcom2073> How do you turn?
[12:28:11] <Rab> A stick would fall over. I think you have to use a plank.
[12:28:28] <Jymmm> who need to turn? There sthe useless box, make a useless stick !!!
[12:28:32] <Rab> Some people are happy going fast in a straight line.
[12:29:21] <Jymmm> useless box... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqAUmgE3WyM
[12:43:06] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMD0Ir2FAOU Pretty cool E-trike..
[12:55:28] <CaptHindsight> and not a single strike from a blind person driving an SUV or minivan at night, amazing
[12:59:52] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: hi
[13:00:34] <zeeshan|2> whats the thinner layer a 3d printer can deposit on a surface?
[13:00:38] <zeeshan|2> *thinnest
[13:03:34] * Tom_itx offers JT-Shop some hot soup and Nyquil
[13:04:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: what material and what tech?
[13:04:47] <zeeshan|2> the best possible kind
[13:04:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 probably depends on the tip size they're using
[13:04:56] <zeeshan|2> can you deposite 0.0001"?
[13:04:59] <zeeshan|2> thin
[13:05:03] <Tom_itx> most use .5mm i think
[13:05:06] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[13:05:15] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: youre thinking of the glue gun 3d printers
[13:05:17] <zeeshan|2> what do you call em
[13:05:20] <zeeshan|2> FDM.. i think
[13:05:27] <zeeshan|2> im talking about the ones that use powder
[13:05:37] <CaptHindsight> nanometers
[13:05:42] <Tom_itx> yeah those are more precise
[13:05:47] <zeeshan|2> the MEMS shop has a 3d printer
[13:05:52] <zeeshan|2> i was wondering if i could place my sample
[13:05:53] <Tom_itx> not for your average hobbyist
[13:05:54] <ssi> SLA layer thicknesses are typically .002 to .006"
[13:05:56] <zeeshan|2> and 3d print a specle pattern
[13:06:02] <zeeshan|2> thats 0.0001" thick
[13:06:06] <zeeshan|2> or less
[13:06:22] <CaptHindsight> so ~2.5 micron
[13:06:24] <zeeshan|2> am i going crazy or is this something possible?
[13:06:31] <Tom_itx> not going...
[13:06:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:06:38] <Tom_itx> :)
[13:07:11] <Rab> Sounds like 2D printing.
[13:07:26] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: whats the material?
[13:07:30] <zeeshan|2> another polymer
[13:07:41] <CaptHindsight> in what form? liquid?
[13:07:47] <zeeshan|2> no
[13:07:54] <zeeshan|2> its that smp laminate
[13:08:07] <zeeshan|2> the smp is 0.008" thick
[13:08:18] <zeeshan|2> i want a very thin layer put on it
[13:08:20] <zeeshan|2> of dots
[13:08:24] <zeeshan|2> using a 3d printer
[13:08:33] <zeeshan|2> if the mems guys can print gears that are nanometers
[13:08:36] <CaptHindsight> what do the dots need to be made of?
[13:08:38] <zeeshan|2> i dont see why i cant use the same technique?
[13:08:48] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: it doesnt matter as long as they adhere to the smp
[13:09:08] <zeeshan|2> basically i want to give the sample chicken pox
[13:09:09] <zeeshan|2> :)
[13:09:14] <CaptHindsight> what dia dots?
[13:09:33] <zeeshan|2> as tiny as possible
[13:10:16] <CaptHindsight> few nanometers?
[13:10:22] <zeeshan|2> no
[13:10:27] <zeeshan|2> like 0.001" is okay
[13:10:27] <CaptHindsight> something visible to the naked eye?
[13:10:33] <CaptHindsight> inkjet
[13:10:35] <zeeshan|2> which is 0.0254 mm
[13:11:44] <CaptHindsight> you can also spin coat with a photopolymer and cure with a laser
[13:12:16] <CaptHindsight> then rinse off the uncured photopolymer
[13:12:25] <pcw_home> or just contact print
[13:12:33] <zeeshan|2> its gotta be a speckle
[13:12:38] <zeeshan|2> i think spin coating isnt randomized?
[13:12:53] <zeeshan|2> im trying to make use of what we have
[13:13:00] <CaptHindsight> the curing randomizes the pattern
[13:13:06] <CaptHindsight> ugh
[13:13:25] <CaptHindsight> now you're starting to sound like Jymmm :)
[13:13:39] <pcw_home> spin coat is just to apply a uniform layer of photopolymer
[13:13:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: my understanding is the 3d printers in the mems lab
[13:13:51] <CaptHindsight> simple question that ends up having 487,348 conditions
[13:14:07] <zeeshan|2> prints in layers.. and they make gears as small ias 0.00001" in diameter
[13:14:13] <zeeshan|2> some things even in nanometers
[13:14:36] <zeeshan|2> i want to know what kind of technology tha tis
[13:14:41] <zeeshan|2> cause i have 0 idea about 3d printing.
[13:14:52] <CaptHindsight> mems are silicon
[13:15:30] <CaptHindsight> they might have a 2-photon setup there to print using photopolymers
[13:15:45] <CaptHindsight> have to know what they have to tell you more
[13:15:50] <zeeshan|2> ok ill find ouit
[13:17:26] <pcw_home> is the surface flat?
[13:17:36] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: do you have access to any 300-500nm or 1050nm lasers and optics?
[13:17:39] <zeeshan|2> pretty flat
[13:17:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: not in the metal forming department
[13:17:52] <pcw_home> why not just contact print it?
[13:17:54] <zeeshan|2> but likely in the mems
[13:18:30] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: that would require some sort of very precise die?
[13:18:45] <pcw_home> no, photo film
[13:18:56] <CaptHindsight> if you have the time you could also print with a stylus
[13:19:05] <CaptHindsight> using a microtip
[13:19:47] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: what woould the process be like? i need to somehow get the speckle pattern onto the photofilm?
[13:20:18] * zeeshan|2 youtubes
[13:20:23] <CaptHindsight> speckle photo
[13:20:51] <pcw_home> make artwork, photoplot mask at 4000 DPI or so apply colored photopolymer to substrate, lay photomask over substrate, expose to UV, develop
[13:21:44] <CaptHindsight> spin coat a photosensitive emulsion to the ~2.5um
[13:21:54] <pcw_home> (should be no more than a few 10s of dollars to get a 8x10 photoplot)
[13:22:12] <pcw_home> (not sure how big you need)
[13:22:20] <zeeshan|2> 4"x4"
[13:22:33] <zeeshan|2> photplotting looks like they use a laser printer
[13:22:37] <zeeshan|2> to print on a transperency
[13:22:48] <CaptHindsight> pretty much
[13:22:55] <CaptHindsight> just fancier
[13:22:58] <pcw_home> They print on Litho film
[13:23:13] <zeeshan|2> the photomask over substrate
[13:23:15] <zeeshan|2> how do you do that part?
[13:23:21] <zeeshan|2> do you submerge it into a bath?
[13:23:46] <pcw_home> contact frame
[13:24:12] <zeeshan|2> before i even do this
[13:24:25] <zeeshan|2> im gonna expose a sample to like the right amount of uv light for exposure
[13:24:26] <pcw_home> http://www.photoplotstore.com/
[13:24:33] <zeeshan|2> and tensile test and to make sure it's properties didnt change
[13:24:50] <pcw_home> No the sample is exposed _through_ the mask
[13:25:12] <pcw_home> Ok plastic sample?
[13:25:20] <zeeshan|2> yea its plastic
[13:25:26] <CaptHindsight> use a visible spectrum cured photopolymer if UV is a concern
[13:25:34] <pcw_home> wow 50K DPI
[13:25:48] <zeeshan|2> this really looks like a viable method.
[13:25:51] <zeeshan|2> not too expensive either
[13:26:07] <zeeshan|2> i dont understand photomasking still
[13:26:24] <zeeshan|2> http://www.dnpamerica.com/image/photomask.jpg
[13:26:43] <zeeshan|2> thats the thing that blocks the light
[13:26:47] <zeeshan|2> and lets it through where needed..
[13:26:52] <CaptHindsight> Minimum Feature Size 7 µm
[13:27:03] <zeeshan|2> what th eheck is the photoplot then
[13:27:03] <zeeshan|2> lol
[13:27:14] <Rab> zeeshan|2, unless you want to understand or do it yourself, you might be happer finding a prepress service bureau which can make the transparency for you.
[13:27:14] <pcw_home> to make the mask
[13:27:18] <CaptHindsight> numbers don't add up
[13:27:35] <zeeshan|2> rab i want them to make it for me!
[13:27:39] <SpeedEvil> _always_ make numbers up.
[13:27:43] <zeeshan|2> i just want to transfer the dots to my sample
[13:27:55] <zeeshan|2> that company he linked looks good
[13:28:12] <zeeshan|2> i just need to know what i need to do on my side
[13:28:14] <zeeshan|2> i need a uv light.
[13:28:32] <zeeshan|2> thats it? :p
[13:28:32] <Tom_itx> you can borrow mine
[13:28:53] <zeeshan|2> what material is getting transfered onto my sample?
[13:28:57] <Tom_itx> get one from a nail salon supply
[13:29:00] <zeeshan|2> something from the photplot it self?
[13:29:03] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: we have
[13:29:51] <CaptHindsight> UV nail acrylic probably has a PI sensitive up to ~380nm
[13:30:37] <CaptHindsight> difficult to spin coat since the viscosity is so high
[13:30:46] <Rab> Thin with acetone?
[13:30:52] <zeeshan|2> when i have a photomask
[13:30:55] <zeeshan|2> i lay it on my sample
[13:30:59] <zeeshan|2> and expose it to uv light?
[13:31:05] <zeeshan|2> and the crap transfers over?
[13:31:06] <CaptHindsight> acetone is not an active solvent
[13:31:11] <pcw_home> you "paint" the entire sample with the (white?) photopolymer
[13:31:13] <pcw_home> then expose to UV through the mask
[13:31:14] <pcw_home> the develop (wash with solvent) "paint" washes away where it was not exposed to UV
[13:31:27] <zeeshan|2> thats the hard part
[13:31:30] <zeeshan|2> how do you paint it evenly?
[13:31:34] <Tom_itx> sounds like what i did with my silkscreen
[13:31:43] <zeeshan|2> do you just squish it with a squeegee
[13:31:51] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: remember I offered to send you some visible light cure photopolymer
[13:31:53] <zeeshan|2> and remove the excess w/ the photomask
[13:31:59] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: yes you did
[13:32:10] <pcw_home> spray or spincoat
[13:32:12] <CaptHindsight> you will need to spin coat it to get the 2.5um layer
[13:32:24] <zeeshan|2> okay so i need to see if i have a spincoater
[13:32:33] <CaptHindsight> you can make one
[13:32:33] <zeeshan|2> obv this has to be done in a dark room..
[13:32:43] <zeeshan|2> i think we have one in the corossion lab
[13:32:44] <zeeshan|2> i need to look
[13:32:45] <CaptHindsight> no, just in dim room
[13:33:06] <zeeshan|2> spin coat sample -> layer photomask over -> visible light cure
[13:33:09] <CaptHindsight> sanding pad attachment for drill
[13:33:15] <zeeshan|2> how do you clean the photomask after
[13:33:19] <zeeshan|2> water?
[13:33:27] <CaptHindsight> rinse with ethanol or IPA
[13:33:38] <zeeshan|2> okay this looks REALLY like an awesome idea.
[13:33:47] <pcw_home> you should not need to clean it
[13:33:48] <zeeshan|2> if its visible light i highly think it will work
[13:33:55] <zeeshan|2> uv light might cause problems
[13:33:59] <zeeshan|2> it might cake the polymer
[13:34:07] <pcw_home> its applied only to "dry paint"
[13:34:09] <zeeshan|2> or kill some of the copolymers
[13:34:23] * Tom_itx waits for the big brown truck
[13:34:25] <CaptHindsight> I think he meant rinse off the uncured photopolymer
[13:34:31] <zeeshan|2> uncured polymer yes
[13:34:39] <zeeshan|2> from my photomask so i can reuse it
[13:34:54] <CaptHindsight> no, from the sample part
[13:34:57] <pcw_home> its not applied to the mask
[13:35:07] <zeeshan|2> one side of the mask will be touching the photopolymer though?
[13:35:08] <pcw_home> the mask stays clean
[13:35:24] <CaptHindsight> the photopolymer is applied to the sample part, and then spin coated
[13:35:31] <zeeshan|2> sample <> photopolymer <> mask
[13:35:37] <pcw_home> at that point the photopolymer is dry
[13:35:41] <zeeshan|2> oh.
[13:35:50] <zeeshan|2> that makes sense
[13:35:53] <pcw_home> spin coated --> dried
[13:36:09] <pcw_home> looks just like paint
[13:36:18] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: is thinking of the water based photopolymer emulsions that dry
[13:36:27] <zeeshan|2> after you do exposure, can you use something not as harsh as alcohol
[13:36:40] <zeeshan|2> to clean off the excess
[13:36:41] <pcw_home> no thinking of KPR type
[13:37:31] <CaptHindsight> water based photoresist
[13:37:42] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: send me some! :)
[13:38:06] <CaptHindsight> the KPR isn't very tough
[13:38:07] <pcw_home> gelatin and potassium dichromate
[13:38:33] <CaptHindsight> probably won't adhere well to the samples
[13:38:40] <pcw_home> only a little carcinogenic
[13:38:42] <zeeshan|2> i like the idea of photopoylmer
[13:38:49] <zeeshan|2> because likely there will be good bonding
[13:38:54] * zeeshan|2 is no chemist
[13:39:15] <zeeshan|2> whatever, ill try alcohol
[13:39:23] <zeeshan|2> tensile test the sample to ensure it didnt effect the properties
[13:39:29] <CaptHindsight> better than gelatin since it's not a porous substrate
[13:39:30] <zeeshan|2> won't know till i try
[13:39:42] <zeeshan|2> how strong is the bond? :)
[13:39:48] <zeeshan|2> can you scratch it off w/ a finger nail
[13:40:11] <zeeshan|2> googling says photoresists have a strong adhesion to metal
[13:40:14] <zeeshan|2> but nothing about polymers
[13:40:30] <CaptHindsight> depends on the oligomers and monomers used, whats the sample made with again?
[13:40:36] <zeeshan|2> polyurethane
[13:41:18] <mrsun> Loetmichel: hehe ... its the just right with a mallet that is the hard thing :P
[13:41:24] <CaptHindsight> like to like tends to work best, but it's not a rule
[13:41:44] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: can you send me some photpolymer or tell me a place where i can buy some :)
[13:41:45] <zeeshan|2> to try out
[13:41:59] <zeeshan|2> ill order a photomask
[13:42:08] <zeeshan|2> find a spin coater and uv light
[13:42:10] <zeeshan|2> and try this out
[13:42:21] <zeeshan|2> this will help a lot w/ 3d aramis optical measurement
[13:42:47] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: how important is layer thickness?
[13:42:57] <CaptHindsight> whats the range?
[13:43:09] <zeeshan|2> if my sample thickness is say 0.008" , and my film thickness is 0.001"
[13:43:15] <zeeshan|2> then likely it will effect the mechanical propeties
[13:43:23] <zeeshan|2> thats why i want it to be 0.0001" min
[13:43:38] <zeeshan|2> film thickness = photpolymer thickness i mean
[13:44:00] <CaptHindsight> so whats the min max?
[13:44:27] <zeeshan|2> less than 0.0001" (0.0025mm)
[13:44:36] <pcw_home> I wonder if it will be difficult to make the photopolymer opaque enough at those thicknesses
[13:44:45] <CaptHindsight> what color?
[13:44:49] <zeeshan|2> white
[13:45:01] <CaptHindsight> what color is the substrate?
[13:45:04] <zeeshan|2> black
[13:45:45] <zeeshan|2> if this works , you guys will get acknowledgements :P
[13:45:47] <CaptHindsight> i might be out of submicron TiO2
[13:45:52] <CaptHindsight> have to check
[13:46:26] <zeeshan|2> lemme know
[13:46:33] <zeeshan|2> i'll pay to get it
[13:46:38] <zeeshan|2> i dont know anywhere else to get this stuff.
[13:46:43] <zeeshan|2> with these specs
[13:46:46] <CaptHindsight> heh, forgot I have a liter already in suspension at my feet
[13:46:47] <zeeshan|2> better leave it to the pros
[13:47:04] <CaptHindsight> just have to add PI
[13:47:29] <CaptHindsight> it will be orange-white as a liquid that will turn white after cure
[13:47:41] <zeeshan|2> that is fine
[13:47:48] <CaptHindsight> that way you can also tell if it's cured enough
[13:47:48] <zeeshan|2> even if it was orange
[13:47:49] <zeeshan|2> it might work
[13:47:54] <zeeshan|2> as long as it contrasts the black
[13:48:02] <zeeshan|2> its when there isnt much contrast, the cameras go crazy
[13:48:20] <CaptHindsight> TiO2 is white
[13:48:58] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: so TiO2 particles suspended in a photopolymer?
[13:48:58] <pcw_home> whats it developed with?
[13:49:10] <CaptHindsight> the photochemistry just turn orange to clear after polymerization
[13:49:22] <zeeshan|2> gotcha
[13:49:33] <zeeshan|2> dude, if you can get this, this would be GREAT
[13:49:42] <zeeshan|2> i have to go for now, ill be back later. thank you guys
[13:49:47] <CaptHindsight> any light source from 200-500nm
[13:49:56] <pcw_home> wait till you get his consulting bill
[13:50:02] <zeeshan|2> haha
[13:50:08] <zeeshan|2> im a poor student!
[13:50:13] <zeeshan|2> i'll send you some machine tools :)
[13:50:43] <zeeshan|2> but definitely let me know the cost of this
[13:50:50] <zeeshan|2> department will pay for it
[13:51:09] <pcw_home> your photomask will be all black with clear speckles BTW
[13:51:20] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: yes
[13:51:26] <zeeshan|2> just to let light through
[13:51:30] <zeeshan|2> to cure that photopoylmer
[13:51:33] <pcw_home> Yep
[13:52:35] <CaptHindsight> this photopolymer stays liquid until cured
[13:54:29] <pcw_home> umm that make contact printing rather difficult :-(
[14:06:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: sound like me how?
[14:07:08] <CaptHindsight> heh
[14:07:39] <Jymmm> ?
[14:07:57] <CaptHindsight> there were time you'd ask a simple question that ended up having several constraints
[14:08:08] <CaptHindsight> was fun
[14:08:18] <Jymmm> ah
[14:11:07] <Jymmm> Well, to be fair I would ask "Does anyone have BLACK"? then instead of yes/no, I'd get "What kinda of black? Daytime or night time black? is it waterproof black?" And I didn't give a shit if it was day/night/water/snow proof, I just wanted a Y/n tyvm =)
[14:11:30] <Tom_itx> but you ended up wanting blue
[14:12:12] <Jymmm> Have you ever noticed that some "Black" things are really dark blue or purple?
[14:12:50] <Jymmm> Like a Black Rose, is really this deep dyed purple
[14:14:27] <Jymmm> http://aduphoto.com/black-rose-flower-garden-widescreen-2-hd-wallpaper.html
[14:14:49] <Jymmm> http://cleaningandthehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/black_rose_baccara-4_1.jpg?w=300&h=288
[14:15:28] <Jymmm> What do I want from amazon that's $16ish?
[14:16:34] <malcom2073> Heh, I get into this conversation with my dad. "How much lateral force does cutting aluminum exert on the spindle?". He knows I want an answer of 1-2lbs, 50-100lbs, or 1-2tons, because I haven't a clue about anything so I honestly don't know, but he refuses to give me that, and instead launches into all sorts of specific questions :P
[14:17:15] <witnit_> robinsz http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Jog-While-Paused
[14:18:17] <witnit_> if your tool has proper hook in the leading angle you can get it very low
[14:18:31] <witnit_> tooling shape has alot to do with it
[14:18:43] <malcom2073> AWw heh, no touchoff during pause though
[14:18:45] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: black colorants cab be tough to source based on the application, even carbon blacks vary from grey, to brown to blue
[14:18:56] <witnit_> write it in there malcom
[14:19:15] <witnit_> reupload to the server for us
[14:19:16] <malcom2073> witnit_: Meh, it's just as easy to split gcode into 4-5 programs, and manually touchoff rezero between sets of gcode
[14:19:42] <malcom2073> Until I get an auto-toolchanger :)
[14:19:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, they do a great job making it appear black, but when you look up close or in certain light the true" color is reveiled
[14:19:46] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it might be lower cost to use lots of purple dye vs a black
[14:20:01] <witnit_> or you could write it up make us a clickly button
[14:20:07] <CaptHindsight> yeah especially after time when they fade
[14:20:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Even jeans for example.
[14:21:00] <robin_sz> did someone mention me/
[14:21:01] <robin_sz> ?
[14:21:04] <witnit_> i did
[14:21:11] <witnit_> robinsz http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Jog-While-Paused
[14:21:12] <malcom2073> witnit_: linuxcnc code makes my head hurt :( I'm not that good
[14:21:16] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: for example BASF makes a black dye that is really black for $80/lb and you have to buy ~200/lbs at a time min
[14:21:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ouch. I'll have to look at Rit Black dye sometime and see what they do out of curiosity
[14:22:07] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: a purple or brown might be $10/lb and you just use $40/per ton of whatever you make
[14:22:40] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: fabric dyes are whole other thing
[14:22:50] <robin_sz> anodising dyes?
[14:22:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I just dont think there is a "practical" black dye, where deep purple/blue will do just fine instead.
[14:23:32] <CaptHindsight> carbon blacks are $1/lb and up but they are pigments vs dye
[14:23:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: or heck, it might just be easier to use RBY dye mixed together to get "black" instead
[14:23:49] <CaptHindsight> dyes are in solution where pigments are in suspension
[14:24:29] <robin_sz> I was thinking of buying an anodising thing
[14:25:48] <robin_sz> http://www.rileysurfaceworld.co.uk/machines/25877.htm
[14:26:03] <CaptHindsight> anodizing dyes are water based, a nice trick is to use solvent based dyes in an ethanol bath, spray or print for really deep colors
[14:26:57] <CaptHindsight> you can wait longer between anodize to coloring and it doesn't wash out when sealing
[14:27:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: still uniform when evaporating?
[14:27:48] <CaptHindsight> yes
[14:27:51] <Jymmm> cool
[14:28:03] <CaptHindsight> the dye stays behind in the pore
[14:28:16] <CaptHindsight> the ethanol evaporates
[14:28:25] <Jymmm> ah
[14:29:23] <CaptHindsight> you can combine the solvent based dying with water based dying since they won't mix, to get those splash effects
[14:29:52] <CaptHindsight> you can even inkjet using solvent dye before sealing
[14:30:08] <Jymmm> Wat, I thught ethanol was somewhat alochol based, as alcohol is water soluable.
[14:30:37] <CaptHindsight> yes, the ethanol is but the dye isn't
[14:30:42] <Jymmm> ah
[14:36:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Kiwi shoe dye is solvent based, it works in anodize
[14:36:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: heh
[14:38:46] <CaptHindsight> Fiebings leather dye is another
[14:39:52] <Rab> Rit dye is another brand people use quite a bit.
[14:40:18] <CaptHindsight> rit for fabric is water based
[14:40:31] <Jymmm> Rab: Rit is water based though, not solvent
[14:40:53] <CaptHindsight> it works but it's expensive and difficult to end up with saturated colors
[14:41:01] <Jymmm> Rab: But some are making it alcohol based for unique applications
[14:41:08] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get an anodization station put together here.. with all the billet aluminum parts I machine it is a no brainer really just have not gotten that far yet.
[14:41:42] <CaptHindsight> water based dye bath is art as much as science
[14:41:51] <JT-Shop> mine is only needed start up time
[14:41:52] <Rab> Hmm, it's the brand I always hear about for home anodizing...maybe that's just because it's easy to grab at the supermarket.
[14:42:19] <CaptHindsight> anodizers figure out just the right timing, temps and ph
[14:42:21] <Jymmm> Rab: Rit even has pantone color swatches
[14:43:31] <CaptHindsight> you can also use pigment but the pigment has to be milled down to a few nm to fit into the pores
[14:44:21] <PetefromTn_> anyone got pics of thier anodization setup?
[14:44:36] <Jymmm> https://www.ritstudio.com/color-library/
[14:45:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/39694/media/image3.jpeg these are actually pretty big pores
[14:46:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: on the left, are we looking at the dashed line area or the thick black lines?
[14:53:36] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: on the left the dark circles are the pores , seen better here http://www.bluebuddhaboutique.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Self-organized-alumina-membranes-2.jpg
[14:54:35] <CaptHindsight> ^^ this pic is how organized they are when they are artificially seeded, otherwise they are very random in arrangement
[14:54:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Wow, I never realize al was that pourous
[14:55:05] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: when anodized and before sealing
[14:56:03] <CaptHindsight> http://marketplace.yet2.com/publish/needofweeks/now0009744/20091018_anonc01.gif
[14:56:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what are the black rods, dye?
[15:01:05] <Jymmm> Oh man, this is so messed up... http://sweetgreen.tumblr.com/post/103458679563/school-lunches-around-the-world#
[15:01:46] <Jymmm> not sure about ukrane though
[15:06:57] <cradek> I'll take a Finland please thank you
[15:07:45] <cradek> with a side of brie and kiwi from france
[15:08:14] <Jymmm> cradek: you gotta eat teh horse from france too
[15:08:50] <Jymmm> cradek: what is finland though?
[15:09:38] <Jymmm> crape, bread, beats, yams, and ???
[15:12:35] <zeeshan|2> back :D
[15:12:38] <zeeshan|2> jeez it freezing
[15:13:10] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the empty pores, they hold the dye and when they are sealed trap the dye inside
[15:13:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Gotcha, I thought so, wasn't sure =)
[15:14:18] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I have to go but since the photopolymer stays liquid you'll have to wipe down the plot after each print
[15:14:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Do you have access to an electron microscope?
[15:14:28] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: that is fine
[15:14:32] <zeeshan|2> its not like im making hundreds
[15:14:35] <CaptHindsight> the polymer will stick to the urethane
[15:14:35] <zeeshan|2> =D
[15:14:51] <zeeshan|2> sweet!
[15:15:28] <CaptHindsight> a 0.5mill ptfe film as a barrier will also work between the mask/film and the photopolymer
[15:15:49] <CaptHindsight> or spin coat a silicone onto the mask
[15:16:02] <zeeshan|2> i cant directly put the mask?
[15:16:11] <zeeshan|2> onto the photopolymer? and just clean it after
[15:17:01] <CaptHindsight> most likely, but if it has problems with sticking to the mask vs the samples
[15:17:06] <CaptHindsight> have to run
[15:17:08] <zeeshan|2> okay
[15:17:11] <CaptHindsight> I can clarify later
[15:17:47] <CaptHindsight> the mask should just be less sticky to the photopolymer than the samples
[15:18:51] <zeeshan|2> okay
[15:19:35] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[15:25:53] <cncej> Evening ppl. How come nothing happens if I change the .ini file [DISPLAY] Geomatry from "X Y Z" to "X -Y Z"? The machine moves ok, but I want to change the direction of displayed coordinates for Y axis. The mentioned change doesn't do anything.
[15:25:58] <cncej> I have latest linuxcnc
[15:27:30] <alex____w> in pncconf and stepconf there are buttons to change encoder and/or motor direction
[15:27:42] <alex____w> do you have a servo or stepper machine?
[15:27:46] <cncej> servo
[15:28:18] <alex____w> clicking that field in pncconf is the easy answer
[15:28:21] <witnit_> are you talking about the way it appears on the screen?
[15:28:33] <cncej> the way it appears on the screen
[15:28:35] <witnit_> within the black drawing box?
[15:28:43] <witnit_> yeah that wold related to the kinimatics
[15:28:45] <cncej> yes, the backplotter
[15:29:02] <witnit_> so you are talking more about the GUI
[15:29:35] <alex____w> why would you want to reverse the picture without reversing your machine?
[15:29:40] <witnit_> I think you would have to rework more than just the INI
[15:29:40] <alex____w> are the coordinates correct on the machine?'
[15:29:51] <cncej> the machine now moves according to the keyboard so that the table/tool moves to the directions of the arrows printed in the keyboard. My problem is that the axis GUI displays the Y axis to the opposite direction and the "-" sign doesn't work in the .ini file
[15:30:11] <cncej> the Y is inverted
[15:30:37] <alex____w> your servo is turning backwards from what linuxcnc things, flip the encoder and motor direction in pncconf
[15:30:42] <alex____w> try that first
[15:30:59] <cncej> will pncconf handle manually created files?
[15:31:43] <alex____w> no
[15:31:48] <witnit_> backup your configs now while you still can :)
[15:31:54] <alex____w> but sorry, i don't remember what that is inverting in the actual config
[15:31:59] <cncej> backup is the standard procedure :)
[15:32:20] <alex____w> the only servo machine that i've configured we've kept pncconf working
[15:32:22] <witnit_> so is reminding people hahahah
[15:32:29] <alex____w> and put all of our customization in other hal files
[15:32:43] <cncej> I'd guess change the input_scale polarity as well as PID polarity
[15:32:57] <alex____w> sounds about right
[15:32:58] <cncej> I'll try that.
[15:33:28] <cncej> my machine is custom firmware for mesa 7i43. 6 PWM & encoder channels, few IO to each driver (VSD-E) and 2x serial as expansion
[15:37:25] <zeeshan|2> is pncconf working well?
[15:37:30] <zeeshan|2> i will need to soon use it :P
[15:37:49] <alex____w> yes, it's working pretty well these days
[15:38:10] <JT-Shop> I've never used it
[15:38:19] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: you're hardcore though
[15:38:29] <JT-Shop> not really
[15:38:42] <alex____w> i'm not normally a gui person, but it's nice for basic configuration of the servos
[15:38:50] <alex____w> and using the open loop test to make sure directions are right, etc
[15:38:55] <zeeshan|2> when i used stepconf
[15:38:57] <zeeshan|2> it helped a lot.
[15:39:05] <zeeshan|2> to setup the skeleton of hal
[15:39:46] <alex____w> and there are enough other hal files loaded which aren't touched by pncconf/stepconf to customize without breaking the ability for pncconf to be run again later
[15:40:09] <alex____w> the main machines that i work on are used/owned by machinists, not programmers, so it's better to keep pncconf functional
[15:40:09] <cncej> ok, I inverted the input_scale and PID. now AXIS displays the geometry ok, but the table moves to the opposite direction (I'd like it so, that the table moves to the same direction that the arrow key on keyboard)
[15:40:18] <JT-Shop> I find it is easier to maintain if you start with a sample config
[15:40:22] <alex____w> cncej: you really don't want it to move that way
[15:40:38] <alex____w> that is the opposite of how the cutting head is moving against the object
[15:41:05] <JT-Shop> cncej, do you know the correct direction of movement for +- on each axis
[15:41:18] <JT-Shop> it is the tool movement that counts not the table
[15:41:50] <alex____w> JT-Shop: the resulting configs from pncconf/stepconf are well enough commented that it is basically like starting with a sample config
[15:41:55] <alex____w> just one that already works for your machine
[15:42:03] <alex____w> i should stop saying stepconf, since i haven't used that in a year
[15:46:42] <cncej> you're right guys (as always...). I was too much thinking of the machine table, not the cutting head to the workpiece. thanks!
[15:47:21] <alex____w> i make the same mistake when i'm first configuring a machine and staring at the table instead of real work
[15:48:39] <cncej> good learning experience (even though it's my 3rd machine...)
[15:49:25] <cncej> thanks again! bye
[15:59:17] <furrywolf> yay! UPS found my missing package! ... the box is fucking ROUND. Once fucking again, they not only lost something, they smashed it up to the best of their abilities.
[15:59:25] <furrywolf> the box was not round when it was shipped.
[15:59:54] <witnit_> makes me think of ace ventura
[16:00:27] <furrywolf> how the hell does UPS stay in business?
[16:00:44] <witnit_> ship by greyhound
[16:00:47] <witnit_> :)
[16:00:48] <furrywolf> I actively avoid shopping places that only ship ups unless I can't find another option.
[16:00:55] <Deejay> gn8
[16:01:52] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, it's just your driver... he hates you
[16:02:26] <furrywolf> no, packages get lost at random places throughout the country, well before they get here.
[16:03:50] <alex____w> i have more problems with oncall or whatever amazon uses then ups
[16:04:15] <alex____w> ontrac
[16:31:21] <furrywolf> ontrac here is great.
[16:31:29] <furrywolf> not many places ship with them however.
[16:33:24] <alex____w> i only see amazon using them. in fact i wondered once if amazon had partial ownership
[16:33:45] <alex____w> but i've also had more ontrac packages not be delivered, or walk away shortly after delivery compared to other providers
[16:34:11] <furrywolf> ontrac does lots of other things, such as medications, medicare medical supplies, books,...
[16:34:31] <alex____w> ah. i'm in seattle, so amazon also might use them more heavily here than elsewhere
[16:35:15] <furrywolf> tires, car parts, commercial store fixtures, paperwork, payroll, things with odd shapes ups won't touch, ...
[16:35:32] <furrywolf> I've worked there for a total of about a week, filling in for a friend who works there full-time.
[16:37:43] <furrywolf> staples ships with them too, if you want large brands.
[16:39:32] <furrywolf> staples has a most annoying practice of shipping cases of paper ontrac... nothing more fun than delivering a big stack of cases of paper...
[16:41:52] <furrywolf> random off-topic question: installing a ssd in a toughbook. keep all the foam padding, or gut it for better airflow?
[16:42:28] <alex____w> is it a generic consumer level ssd, or one that is doing exceptionally high perf?
[16:42:58] <furrywolf> sandisk cloudspeed eco
[16:43:03] <furrywolf> supposedly enterprise grade
[16:43:18] <furrywolf> actual performance isn't that great, more of a reliability thing apparantly...
[16:44:18] <furrywolf> it goes inside a plastic sleeve, inside layered foam, inside a plastic case, inside a metal box, inside the laptop...
[16:44:26] <alex____w> i don't think you need to worry about cooling then
[16:44:52] <furrywolf> there's a reason toughbooks are tough, and it has nothing to do with compactness or performance. heh.
[16:46:29] <Jymmm> I KNOW MY RIGHTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT7IFcgTHXs
[16:47:37] <_methods> http://belfiestick.com/
[16:48:29] * furrywolf doesn't think it's april yet...
[16:49:10] <_methods> you can preorder now............
[16:49:11] <_methods> hahahahha
[16:49:32] <Jymmm> Reminds me of JT-Shop and his tractor... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCJep5RV1E
[16:49:47] * furrywolf continues ignoring youtube links
[16:50:16] <_methods> smoking blunt pulling couch full of kegs
[16:50:19] <_methods> classic
[16:52:05] <furrywolf> bbl, poking at my now-round package. #$@$#@ing ups.
[16:52:51] <Tom_itx> yay, new mesa cards finally arrived...
[16:53:15] <alex____w> i'm glad mesa finally lets you order online
[16:54:02] <Tom_itx> helps alot yes.
[16:54:44] <alex____w> of course my laziness and the fact that i had to call means i never spent money to upgrade my taig to be driven by a mesa 7i76
[16:54:49] <alex____w> which is fine since i don't use it that much these days
[16:58:13] <Tom_itx> mine gets used mostly to mess with linuxcnc
[16:58:25] <Tom_itx> i make a few things now and then
[17:00:31] <furrywolf> fucking UPS. it's been dropped so many times, it's poked through a towel, paper, electrical tape, several layers of padding, and the box. not something pointy... a round part of it!
[17:00:32] <alex____w> mine was mostly used to make things, but since i have access to bigger and better machiens I just use those now
[17:01:02] <_methods> from the people that brought you the butt selfie stick........it's the handicorn
[17:01:05] <_methods> http://mcphee.com/shop/handicorn.html
[17:01:11] <furrywolf> they managed to abuse it so badly that a 4" diameter cylinder has been pushed clean through all the padding.
[17:02:34] <furrywolf> http://mcphee.com/shop/inflatable-unicorn-horn-for-cats.html is better
[17:03:35] <SpeedEvil> 'Cats love it!' [citation needed]
[17:04:23] <furrywolf> http://mcphee.com/shop/inflatable-evil-unicorn-horn-for-cats.html that one looks way too much like something else meant to be strapped somewhere else.
[17:04:29] <syyl> archivist?
[17:04:30] <syyl> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/Lorch%206mm/pro_lorch_6mm_1.JPG
[17:04:42] <syyl> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/Lorch%206mm/pro_lorch_6mm_2.JPG
[17:05:22] <syyl> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/Lorch%206mm/pro_lorch_6mm_5.JPG
[17:05:33] <unfy> laying out PCB - doing it in as much smd as possible i kinda miss through hole stuff. that is, the gap between leads it offered for sneaking a trace through ._.
[17:05:39] <furrywolf> I don't see any major damage to my new toy, despite ups'es tender care... there's some scratch marks where one of the side gears was bashed around, but I don't think they'll negatively affect operation.
[17:05:51] <witnit_> syyl i want
[17:06:47] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, did he throw the box at the house and run?
[17:07:00] <Tom_itx> my guy rang the bell and handed me mine :)
[17:07:25] <furrywolf> tom: no.
[17:07:32] <furrywolf> I met him outside and he handed it to me
[17:07:46] <Tom_itx> did you make a note of it's condition to him?
[17:07:57] <SpeedEvil> http://geyserofawesome.com/post/107325330552/tired-of-your-boring-old-hand-transform-it-into-a
[17:08:06] <furrywolf> they managed to turn a square box spherical, and push a completely non-pointy lumpy object clear through all the packaging, probably from dropping it repeatedly.
[17:08:12] <furrywolf> there's holes in the box
[17:08:53] <furrywolf> however, it's a relatively stout device, and seems to have survived.
[17:08:59] <witnit_> im still trying to guess what it is
[17:09:04] <furrywolf> now I need to learn how to set differential gears. :)
[17:09:22] <furrywolf> witnit: ARB RD21
[17:10:35] <witnit_> dana 60s hmm
[17:10:42] <witnit_> whatchu working on?
[17:11:10] <furrywolf> my jeep
[17:11:35] <furrywolf> with the 1.5t springs, it's amazingly good at sitting in one place and not moving as soon as you get a tire on something...
[17:11:49] <witnit_> yeah
[17:12:38] <furrywolf> sure, I can park a car in the back and be nowhere near the bumpstops... but it's not good for off-road ability.
[17:13:01] <witnit_> build a nice responsive program for it, and hand the controls over to emc for the transitions =D
[17:13:41] <witnit_> automatic suspension lift for managing terrain
[17:13:54] <furrywolf> ... it has springs. you don't control springs. :P
[17:14:03] <furrywolf> nice big thick leaf packs all around.
[17:14:40] <witnit_> i had 88 dodge 3/4 ton with oversize springs, and dumpbed :P
[17:14:52] <witnit_> bumpy ride without a loaf on it
[17:14:53] <furrywolf> bah, 3/4t is little. :P
[17:14:58] <witnit_> heh load*
[17:15:14] <witnit_> mmhmm
[17:15:39] <furrywolf> 1.25t off-road, 1.5t on-road, dana 70 rear, dana 60 front...
[17:16:00] <witnit_> motor?
[17:16:30] <furrywolf> 230 ohc. a whole 130hp... or, at least, 130hp 47 years ago...
[17:16:41] <witnit_> mmmhmm
[17:16:49] <witnit_> i have this 440
[17:16:59] <witnit_> very heavy
[17:17:00] <furrywolf> see, it's a feature! with 130hp and a 4k rpm redline, you can't possibly break the axles. :P
[17:17:12] <witnit_> right
[17:17:13] <witnit_> !
[17:17:20] <zeeshan|2> this is interesting. my motor wiring has 6 wires coming out of it. they actually have a wire going to u1, v1, w1, u2, v2, w2
[17:17:21] <witnit_> limited edition
[17:17:27] <zeeshan|2> i guess they want you to join up the wires at the cnc end.
[17:17:30] <zeeshan|2> instead of at the motor enclosure
[17:17:32] <furrywolf> although they're pretty tough axles...
[17:18:05] <witnit_> what motor?
[17:18:05] <zeeshan|2> anyone seen this before?
[17:18:10] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/i5H5xKV.jpg
[17:18:12] <zeeshan|2> this thing
[17:18:15] <witnit_> k
[17:18:17] <zeeshan|2> its got your standard stuff in there
[17:18:27] <zeeshan|2> it s just odd, usually you get 3 wires for 3 ph motors
[17:18:29] <furrywolf> 440? that sounds suspiciously dodge.
[17:19:25] <witnit_> i have 63 plymouth fury and 64 chrysler 300
[17:19:42] <furrywolf> bah
[17:19:48] <furrywolf> no chrysler parts in my truck. :)
[17:19:50] <witnit_> u jelly
[17:20:18] <t12> 6 pole motor?
[17:20:18] <furrywolf> I hate working on dodges. every time I do, I spend the whole time wondering what they were smoking when they designed things.
[17:20:21] <DaViruz> i've seen a few brown boveris. they're part of ABB today
[17:20:47] <zeeshan|2> t12 its not 6 pole for sure
[17:20:55] <zeeshan|2> u1 and u2 when measured
[17:20:56] <witnit_> i never worked on many cars
[17:20:57] <zeeshan|2> give a resistance
[17:21:05] <zeeshan|2> v1 v2 gives another resistance, and w1 and w3
[17:21:09] <Rab> zeeshan|2, see the section on Wye-Delta Starting: http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/products/reference/15333
[17:21:10] <zeeshan|2> well it could be 6 pole.
[17:21:12] <witnit_> i wouldnt know which is most painful
[17:21:48] <furrywolf> ford is least painful (but sometimes most frequent), then chevy, then dodge is just plain painful.
[17:21:49] <DaViruz> http://www.csanyigroup.com/wp-content/uploads/posts/2010/08-avgust/general-about-motors/img-2.gif
[17:22:03] <t12> i dunno much about how these things are wired but
[17:22:09] <zeeshan|2> rab that makes sense
[17:22:15] <t12> doesnt that let you wire for 3pole or 6pole
[17:22:15] <furrywolf> my truck is all kaiser jeep, which is simple to work on, but sometimes a bit odd.
[17:22:20] <t12> for diffnt powers, rpm, etc
[17:22:29] <witnit_> usnt jeep mopar?
[17:22:34] <witnit_> isnt*
[17:22:39] <furrywolf> currently, yes.
[17:22:44] <t12> I'mr eading that delta / YY as
[17:22:45] <furrywolf> jeep has been through a lot of owners
[17:22:48] <zeeshan|2> im gonna make a diagram of this motor. brb. i weanna be 100% sure
[17:22:52] <witnit_> your design jeep is pre mopar?
[17:22:54] <zeeshan|2> there is no circuit diagram in the motor plate itself
[17:22:56] <t12> delta wiring or independent doule Y?
[17:22:57] <furrywolf> willys jeep, then kaiser jeep, then amc jeep, now chrysler jeep...
[17:22:59] <t12> double
[17:23:06] <furrywolf> yes. mine is a '68, chrysler got it in the '80s
[17:23:18] <witnit_> ohhhhh pictures?
[17:23:19] <Tom_itx> downhill each new ownership too
[17:23:33] <DaViruz> or just look at my picture. that's how it will be connected
[17:23:45] <unfy> the handicorn: used to make that shape with hand as a kid or when playing with a kid etc
[17:24:03] <furrywolf> hrmm. apparantly it's now Fiat Jeep!
[17:24:29] <witnit_> ha go figure
[17:24:37] <DaViruz> or is it a double speed motor? kinda looks like it on the nameplate
[17:24:46] <t12> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/transformers-phase-converters-vfd/yy-2-speed-motor-wiring-290949/
[17:25:02] <witnit_> lol virus
[17:25:03] <DaViruz> then there are two standards for how it's connected, dahlander and separate windings
[17:25:04] <witnit_> i but
[17:25:12] <witnit_> bet^
[17:25:20] <t12> http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/3-phase-2-speed-motor.pdf
[17:25:24] <furrywolf> I had a chrysler-made cherokee.... ugh. the parts AMC designed worked fine!
[17:25:31] <DaViruz> maybe i should stop jumping into stuff :P
[17:26:08] <DaViruz> dahlander is a strange beast, but if it's an old brown boveri i'd bet on it
[17:26:52] <DaViruz> http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/uploads/689/amv_dahlander_wiring.gif
[17:28:33] <furrywolf> I've never done differential gears before... in theory, it's simple. pull shafts, pull old carrier, instal ring on new locker, put back in, adjust shims, drive. in reality, it involves pressing bearings on and off dozens of times trying to get exactly the right tooth contact pattern, etc...
[17:29:06] <witnit_> the worst part is all the crap falling in your eyes when removing parts underneath
[17:29:42] <furrywolf> nah, it's for the front axle... the uniform coat of oil on every surface keeps all the dust attached.
[17:29:45] <witnit_> and maybe pressing bearings
[17:30:51] <furrywolf> like most older vehicles, it has an automatic oil change system... all you have to do is add oil, and it automatically drains it as you drive.
[17:31:38] <witnit_> sounds about right
[17:32:45] <furrywolf> I wish arb made a locker for the rear dana 70, but they do not.
[17:32:53] <furrywolf> Detroit seems to be the popular option.
[17:36:22] <furrywolf> I'd prefer a selectable locker to a detroit, as an unloaded pickup is squirrly enough as it is, but no one seems to make one.
[17:56:20] <JT-Shop> damn I trashed my parting tool holder
[17:58:00] <JT-Shop> I need one that can take the side load of pulling the delrin through the collet
[17:59:46] <furrywolf> side loading is pretty much exactly what parting tools aren't used for.
[17:59:57] <JT-Shop> heh
[18:05:26] <zeeshan|2> hm
[18:06:19] <zeeshan|2> when i measure @ the motor termins resistance betwene u1 and u2 , or u1&v1, or u1&w1, or u1&v2 or u1&w2 , i get conitnuity.
[18:06:25] <zeeshan|2> and read 2 ohms
[18:06:31] <zeeshan|2> terminals
[18:06:53] <furrywolf> 2-speed y-wired motor?
[18:07:03] <zeeshan|2> i dunno it says D or YY.
[18:07:12] <zeeshan|2> on the name plate
[18:07:24] <furrywolf> I've done very little 3ph work, unfortunately.
[18:07:33] <zeeshan|2> i wish this damn motor had a wiring diagram
[18:07:35] <zeeshan|2> like all the others.
[18:09:16] <furrywolf> usually I'd figure you just either jumper three of them together for wye, or jumper three pairs together for delta... never seen a motor with all six hooked up individually.
[18:10:14] <zeeshan|2> yea man
[18:10:15] <furrywolf> or is this just a single-phase motor with confusing terminals?
[18:10:15] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:10:21] <zeeshan|2> no its 3 ph
[18:10:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/i5H5xKV.jpg
[18:10:53] <zeeshan|2> actually thaty doesnt say the phases.
[18:10:54] <zeeshan|2> hm
[18:11:37] <furrywolf> 1630 3280 min-1 sure sounds like a 2-speed motor.
[18:11:42] <zeeshan|2> i literally see u1 u2 v1 v2 w1 w2
[18:11:53] <zeeshan|2> on the terminal block in the motor thing
[18:11:56] <furrywolf> the delta/yy marking sounds very 3ph-ish.
[18:12:23] <zeeshan|2> yea
[18:12:34] <furrywolf> try connecting 3ph to u1 v1 w1, then do the same to the 2s.
[18:13:33] <_methods> http://www.congatec.com/en/products/mini-itx/conga-ic97.html
[18:14:09] <zeeshan|2> whats throwing me off.
[18:14:17] <zeeshan|2> is the contunity between u1 and all the other pins
[18:14:21] <zeeshan|2> its like tehre is a short circuit?
[18:14:24] <zeeshan|2> its only measuring 2 ohms.
[18:14:41] <furrywolf> random forum post says:
[18:14:42] <furrywolf> The connections for a two speed, six wire IEC motor are...I believe
[18:14:42] <furrywolf> Low speed= line connections on 1U, 1V and 1W with the remaining wires open (not connected to each other)
[18:14:42] <furrywolf> High speed= line connections on 2W, 2U and 2V with the remaining wires joined together and taped.
[18:14:42] <furrywolf> If you do a Google search for EASA Handbook you will find all this information..good luck
[18:15:04] <furrywolf> stopped motors are always short circuits.
[18:15:33] <furrywolf> that's why they draw hundreds of amps until they spin up. :)
[18:17:11] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:17:16] <zeeshan|2> i thought itd be a bit more
[18:17:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.hollandindustrial.com/PDF%20Files/Identify%20Unmarked%20Leads%206%20and%209%20Lead%20Motors.pdf
[18:17:31] <zeeshan|2> reading that :)
[18:17:41] <zeeshan|2> but what youre saying makes a lot of sense.
[18:17:45] <zeeshan|2> 2 speed motor.
[18:18:05] <zeeshan|2> so it draws 3.6kW in 1 speed?
[18:18:08] <zeeshan|2> and 4.4kW in the other?
[18:18:12] <furrywolf> the two complete sets of ratings rather suggests 2-speed. heh.
[18:18:13] <zeeshan|2> thats a bit weird :P
[18:18:14] <furrywolf> yes
[18:18:25] <furrywolf> why is it weird that it uses less power when running slower?
[18:19:01] <zeeshan|2> i duno single phase motors usually are 1 hp
[18:19:10] <zeeshan|2> i dunno :)
[18:20:36] <zeeshan|2> accoprding to that pdf
[18:20:42] <zeeshan|2> since i got conitunity between all pins
[18:20:50] <zeeshan|2> it could be a double-delta/extended delta.
[18:20:57] <zeeshan|2> or "dahlander (2 speed)"
[18:20:57] <furrywolf> since all six are connected, I'd say dahlander.
[18:21:07] <furrywolf> yes.
[18:22:11] <zeeshan|2> e delta PWS, or a 2-speed 1-wind - ing. Of the various possibilities of “6 unmarked leads”, the 2-speed 1-wind - ing is the most challenging to identify
[18:22:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:22:13] <zeeshan|2> GREAT!
[18:22:34] <furrywolf> you don't have unmarked leads. you have marked leads.
[18:22:52] <furrywolf> the forum post I pasted above sounds right to me. connect it and see it run. :P
[18:23:30] <zeeshan|2> i wonder find out for a while
[18:23:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:23:33] <zeeshan|2> im just wiring stuff up
[18:23:42] <furrywolf> ?
[18:23:53] <zeeshan|2> i still need 3 awg wire
[18:24:01] <zeeshan|2> to run a breaker panel to where the machine is
[18:24:11] <furrywolf> you don't need 3awg wire to test that motor.
[18:24:15] <zeeshan|2> i know
[18:24:19] <zeeshan|2> but its all in the box right now
[18:24:23] <zeeshan|2> and i dont wanna disassemble shit
[18:24:31] <zeeshan|2> to power it up i need to give power to the fuse block
[18:24:51] <zeeshan|2> i guess i can remove the fuses
[18:24:55] <zeeshan|2> for the other components :P
[18:25:23] <zeeshan|2> need to find some wire to make it to where the cnc is
[18:25:28] <zeeshan|2> 14AWG extension cable!
[18:25:44] <furrywolf> 14awg is fine for no-load testing of that motor
[18:25:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: remove drywall, cut live wires,
[18:26:26] <furrywolf> don't you have LEDs to be playing with/
[18:26:26] <furrywolf> ?
[18:31:07] <Tom_itx> pcw_home around?
[18:31:20] <furrywolf> brb
[18:38:58] <Jymmm> Shit, not having a drink in months I'd fail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvuWci2eoE8
[18:39:52] <_methods> why would you not drink in months?
[18:39:58] <_methods> no one likes a quitter
[18:40:14] <Jymmm> lol
[18:41:00] <Jymmm> I'm not a quiter you bastard, just a lightweight =)
[18:41:05] <Jymmm> these days
[18:41:45] <_methods> hahah
[18:41:46] <Jymmm> Though I do like my Cadillac MArgaritas with Jose Cuervo Gold, on the ricks, with ice.
[18:41:55] <Jymmm> rocks*
[18:42:05] <_methods> from the super crew that brought you the butt selfie stick and the handicorn.......i give you
[18:42:08] <_methods> http://signup.thefoothammock.com/
[18:42:15] <Jymmm> Bascially you smell it before you ever get near it =)
[18:42:38] <_methods> apparently today is stupid invention day
[18:44:44] <Tom_itx> gawd my head hurts... barometer 31.1 - highest since 1983
[18:55:51] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I for tom
[18:58:32] <Tom_itx> This video is not available.
[19:03:02] <SpeedEvil> aww
[19:03:10] <SpeedEvil> Queen - Under Pressure
[19:10:00] <_methods> get out a foot hammock, kick back and relax with your handicorn i promise your headache will go away
[19:10:10] <_methods> a swat team might show up though
[19:28:16] <unfy> we've been discussing the handicorn on a few occaissions
[19:28:25] <unfy> "that's not even as useful as the handicorn" etc
[19:31:07] <witnit_> oooh did someone mention the handicorn?
[19:31:14] <witnit_> I have two on order now
[19:32:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:34:30] <Jymmm> handicorn?
[19:36:52] <SpeedEvil> http://geyserofawesome.com/post/107325330552/tired-of-your-boring-old-hand-transform-it-into-a
[19:38:20] <Jymmm> lol, cute =)
[19:40:10] <witnit_> I feel like if I order only one, it would get had and lonely
[19:40:46] <witnit_> sad*
[19:42:35] <_methods> i'm pretty sure if you buy a handicorn you get put on some sort of sex offender list
[19:42:43] <witnit_> hahhahhh
[19:43:33] <witnit_> what about all the bros for that unicorn cartoon
[19:43:45] <witnit_> i bet they ll have handicorns
[19:44:06] <_methods> they're also on sex offender lists already
[19:44:51] <witnit_> I play world of tanks, there seems to be alot of those guys out there
[19:45:04] <witnit_> whole battalions with little unicorns on there tanks
[19:45:16] <_methods> i hope you terminate them with prejudice
[19:45:18] <witnit_> their*?
[19:45:31] <witnit_> so much predjudice
[19:46:13] <witnit_> they be pew pew pew, and im all like ahh ahh ahh not tooodaayy broski
[20:44:02] <zeeshan|2> aww furry diisconnected
[20:44:08] <zeeshan|2> spindle motor worked :)
[20:44:18] <zeeshan|2> it is a 2 speed motor
[20:44:36] <zeeshan|2> since i had 3 extra wired, i just ran them parallel to the same point
[20:44:39] <zeeshan|2> from the motor to the vfd
[20:44:44] <zeeshan|2> =)
[20:52:10] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: how flat are the parts you need to print?
[20:52:15] <XXCoder> wow
[20:52:27] <XXCoder> its impossible to find luggage light parts
[20:52:33] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: +/- 10 micron
[20:52:38] <XXCoder> mines not connected properly and I find find hpw
[20:52:44] <XXCoder> *cant find how
[20:58:37] <Tom_itx> pcw_home?
[21:00:16] <zeeshan|2> theoretical question of the night: what is the point of having a ground wire from a motor to an enclosure thats bolted to the machine? if you measure the resistance between the motor frame and eneclosure star ground point , its less than 1 ohm
[21:00:39] <zeeshan|2> (without running that wire)
[21:00:45] <Tom_itx> redundancy
[21:00:51] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:00:56] <zeeshan|2> but its held in by like 4 bolts!
[21:01:03] <zeeshan|2> thats hell of a lot more stronger than say 1 wire
[21:01:24] <Tom_itx> and you've never seen a corroded bolt?
[21:01:33] <roycroft> and over time those bolts could corrode such that they no longer conduct well
[21:02:01] <zeeshan|2> but even the flange of the motor
[21:02:07] <zeeshan|2> is resting against the machine
[21:02:11] <zeeshan|2> and its bare
[21:02:18] <zeeshan|2> i guess that can corrode too after some time
[21:02:21] <zeeshan|2> makes sense
[21:02:24] <Tom_itx> in the beginning the rule book was written... don't question the rule book!
[21:02:36] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: its nice to know an answer to a question like this
[21:02:57] <zeeshan|2> my dad likes to throw "back home, we never used to do that!"
[21:02:59] <Tom_itx> well i'm considering the same issues you are with my control box
[21:03:03] <zeeshan|2> i like to give him answers
[21:03:04] <roycroft> you've obviously never worked on a car before :)
[21:03:09] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: i have.
[21:03:15] <zeeshan|2> a LOT!
[21:03:22] <roycroft> they always have redundand ground straps
[21:03:33] <zeeshan|2> they do
[21:03:39] <zeeshan|2> they dont rely on the bolts from the engine to the frame
[21:03:49] <roycroft> and even though there's a lot of bare metal bolted together, when those ground straps start getting wonky you have ground problems
[21:03:50] <zeeshan|2> a lot of them theyre isolated caus eof rubber mounts
[21:04:38] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/Ut6z6fE.jpg
[21:04:39] <zeeshan|2> i dont work on cars!
[21:06:42] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps1e2af762.jpg
[21:06:45] <zeeshan|2> i dont work on cars :D
[21:06:57] * zeeshan|2 ends rant
[21:10:30] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: how do I find info on stuff like rear door luggage light stuff?
[21:10:42] <XXCoder> its not put together right by previous owner and i cant fix it
[21:11:06] <zeeshan|2> whatcha trying to do
[21:11:22] <XXCoder> well put it togerher
[21:11:27] <XXCoder> pretty much duh ;)
[21:11:39] <zeeshan|2> like throw a bulb in there?
[21:11:48] <zeeshan|2> or wire up anew luggage light housing
[21:11:58] <XXCoder> it falls out of door, the light housing
[21:12:07] <zeeshan|2> oh
[21:12:11] <zeeshan|2> thats usually an oem part :/
[21:12:26] <XXCoder> its not broken
[21:12:27] <zeeshan|2> maybe you can epoxy a new tab?
[21:12:30] <XXCoder> so far it looks fine
[21:12:34] <XXCoder> no broken tab
[21:12:51] <XXCoder> problem is I dont see how it should be placed in such way cover can attachn to it too.
[21:13:08] <zeeshan|2> got a pic?
[21:13:28] <skunkworks> zeeshan|2: what car is that?
[21:13:36] <XXCoder> hold on though trying to google new word - housing
[21:13:38] <zeeshan|2> rx7
[21:13:42] <skunkworks> ah
[21:14:05] <XXCoder> that is fancy http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/2004-2013-nissan-quest-trunk-light-led lol
[21:14:11] * furrywolf sees a mention of rx7s, and looks for a bucket of spare apex seals
[21:14:19] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: it worked!
[21:14:26] <furrywolf> your motor?
[21:14:31] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:14:38] <zeeshan|2> you were right u1 v1 w1 is one speed
[21:14:42] <zeeshan|2> the 2's is the other
[21:14:57] <zeeshan|2> i disconnected all the wires from u2 v2 and w2
[21:15:06] <zeeshan|2> and just run those wires in parallel with the u1 v1 w1 line
[21:15:11] <zeeshan|2> since im only running one speed cause of the vfd
[21:15:22] <furrywolf> you can get those LED panel lights, with dome bulb adapters, much cheaper elsewhere.
[21:15:22] <zeeshan|2> figured they might as well share some current :)
[21:15:49] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: no apex seals here
[21:15:54] <zeeshan|2> blew too many rotarys
[21:15:55] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:16:18] <skunkworks> boost in -> apex seals out
[21:16:23] <zeeshan|2> hahah exactly
[21:16:31] <furrywolf> my favorite was a relative's rx7 that, the second you started it, would launch the dipstick about twenty feet into the air. seems the side seals were blown...
[21:16:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: I guess its something that tend to be immortal basically
[21:16:45] <XXCoder> so nobody shows how to fix the darned thing
[21:16:52] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[21:17:01] <zeeshan|2> id need to see a pic of it
[21:17:03] <zeeshan|2> or a video
[21:17:03] <witnit_> does anyone have a good source for ipblacklists? something i can dump into smoothwall
[21:17:11] <zeeshan|2> //c4.staticflickr.com/8/7509/15977406582_f557f9dc96_h.jpg
[21:17:17] <zeeshan|2> so check out how my cnc controller came wired originally
[21:17:27] <zeeshan|2> theyre using bare spade connectors!
[21:17:28] <XXCoder> holy ethernet batman
[21:17:29] * furrywolf hands zeeshan some more letters
[21:17:41] <zeeshan|2> http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7509/15977406582_f557f9dc96_h.jpg
[21:17:51] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: whats the rear door called
[21:17:52] <XXCoder> hatch?
[21:18:00] <zeeshan|2> hatch in a 3 door
[21:18:06] <zeeshan|2> trunk in a 4 door
[21:18:13] <furrywolf> that's not that bad.
[21:18:16] <zeeshan|2> well shit dude
[21:18:21] <zeeshan|2> 2 of those wires are 110V and N
[21:18:25] <zeeshan|2> theyre right next to each other, bare!
[21:18:35] <zeeshan|2> in the red connector
[21:18:35] <furrywolf> don't stick your finger in it while it's on.
[21:18:40] <furrywolf> and don't bypass the line fuse. :P
[21:19:04] <XXCoder> and goodamn dont get dick anywhere near it
[21:19:11] <zeeshan|2> they liked living on the edge back then
[21:19:13] <XXCoder> I read few weird stories
[21:19:38] <furrywolf> I bet my silicone ones are quite excellent insulators.
[21:19:53] <zeeshan|2> finding 600v spade connectors is a pain in the ass
[21:19:57] <zeeshan|2> most stores carry automotive ones
[21:20:20] <furrywolf> hardware stores in the electrical section...
[21:20:35] <zeeshan|2> not the kind im looking for
[21:20:42] <zeeshan|2> http://ca-en.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70084054
[21:20:43] <zeeshan|2> that style
[21:21:18] <furrywolf> in fact, I just bought a 100 pack of blue insulated female disconnects last week, for use on my mill... checking now, 600V, 105C.
[21:21:20] <furrywolf> yes, that style.
[21:21:24] <zeeshan|2> where?
[21:21:25] <zeeshan|2> homed epot?
[21:21:39] <furrywolf> I got mine at Ace, but any hardware store should have them. and, of course, any electrical supply store.
[21:21:52] <zeeshan|2> ill take a loook tomorrow
[21:22:03] <zeeshan|2> i wanna use insulated ones for the 24vdc too
[21:22:09] <zeeshan|2> these are a little too hardcore for me :)
[21:22:48] <furrywolf> I might pick up a pack of red ones tomorrow... almost out.
[21:24:02] <furrywolf> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA14R2CR2934 apparantly you can buy ace-branded terminals from newegg. lol
[21:27:05] <zeeshan|2> nice
[21:27:14] <XXCoder> on one site live chat heh
[21:27:22] <furrywolf> ?
[21:27:44] <XXCoder> help on trying to find that housing light
[21:27:59] <witnit_> I use these things- http://grafoplast.com/documents/catalogue.pdf
[21:28:39] <witnit_> they go well with this kind of work
[21:30:36] <furrywolf> wire markers? bah! as long as you connect your wires one at a time, you don't need to label them. :P
[21:30:57] <furrywolf> it's like working on an old international, where every single wire is the exact same color.
[21:31:38] <XXCoder> bah just use bare wires lol
[21:32:55] <furrywolf> no, that's working on an early '80s ford.
[21:33:16] <roycroft> knob and tube automotive wiring?
[21:33:23] <XXCoder> dammit
[21:33:33] * furrywolf looks for a pictute
[21:33:35] <XXCoder> the part must be basically immortal if nobody has it for sale
[21:33:39] <furrywolf> picture
[21:33:43] <furrywolf> what part?
[21:33:59] <XXCoder> my van's light housing for luggage compartment
[21:34:28] <furrywolf> http://www.fordcontour.org/uploads/1234386282/gallery_2786_155_16654.jpg
[21:34:43] <furrywolf> that's the type of part you get from a local wrecker, not online.
[21:35:21] <XXCoder> problem is im trying to see how it is supposed to be installed
[21:35:28] <furrywolf> you can also look for wreckers with that van in the yard, and ask them to pull it and ship it.
[21:35:43] <XXCoder> I have it. just not installed properly
[21:35:44] <furrywolf> ok. so get it from a local wrecker, and pay attention when removing it.
[21:35:47] <furrywolf> ah
[21:36:02] <XXCoder> previous owner made mess of this van
[21:36:09] <XXCoder> I fixed so many problems
[21:36:35] <XXCoder> for example, side window was held in by zip ties lol
[21:36:42] <XXCoder> rear window couldnt close
[21:36:59] <XXCoder> side door interior cover pops off (still does but better now)
[21:37:00] <roycroft> what?
[21:37:08] <roycroft> he used zip ties intead of duct tape?
[21:37:22] <XXCoder> well it had hole where window nut was supposed to be
[21:37:33] <roycroft> yeah
[21:37:33] <furrywolf> sounds like the car I have.
[21:37:35] <XXCoder> I bought used window nut and its now attached proper;y
[21:37:39] <roycroft> you make a duct tape rope and put it through the hole
[21:38:03] <furrywolf> when I got the car, the brakes didn't work... because it had no front pads. it had no pads because someone put the wrong rotors on, which allowed the pads to fall out between the rotor and bracket.
[21:38:07] <XXCoder> furrywolf: its pretty amazing conidition once couple issues was issues
[21:38:16] <XXCoder> *was fixed
[21:38:26] <XXCoder> most major was fuel pump died
[21:38:34] <furrywolf> every single repair I've done was someone else's repair.
[21:38:36] <XXCoder> followed by way too fucking miles on sparkplugs
[21:38:56] <XXCoder> I would say in least 60,000 miles on 10,000 mile sparklugs
[21:39:00] <furrywolf> as far as I can tell, they "fixed" things that probably weren't even broken, making them broken.
[21:39:04] <XXCoder> fun
[21:39:20] <furrywolf> there's no spark plugs that only last 10k.
[21:39:30] <furrywolf> even the $1.99 cheapos will do 100k.
[21:39:36] <XXCoder> oh well way too many miles whatever its supposed to be
[21:39:49] <XXCoder> maybe even when van was new LOL
[21:40:02] <XXCoder> gaps was way off
[21:40:16] <XXCoder> .056 to 0.076
[21:40:23] <XXCoder> supposed to be all 0.032
[21:40:54] <furrywolf> that's a pretty small gap...
[21:41:12] <XXCoder> one sparkplug was almost unremovable - I broke 2 tools on it
[21:41:25] <XXCoder> chart says nissan needs 0.032
[21:41:35] <furrywolf> ... must be chinese tools. :P
[21:41:36] <XXCoder> new plugs was all pretty close to that
[21:41:51] <XXCoder> sears buys from chinese? dont think so, since it was 1980s one
[21:41:53] <furrywolf> proper tools will strip the threads out of the head before breaking.
[21:42:01] <XXCoder> other one yea chinese crap
[21:42:27] <furrywolf> heh. all new sears is chinese, as of a year ago or so. Craftsman is now chinese for everything, even the wrenches, sockets, etc.
[21:42:36] <XXCoder> anyway it was so damn hard bonded to block
[21:42:50] <furrywolf> that's why you use a liberal amount of antisieze putting them in.
[21:43:03] <XXCoder> I had to screw it down and out few times so it finally got most of way down (dunno if did go all way in)
[21:43:10] <XXCoder> yeah used e,
[21:43:12] <XXCoder> *em
[21:44:10] <furrywolf> I think my car is .045 or something.
[21:44:22] <XXCoder> my ford contour is .05
[21:44:31] <XXCoder> heh sparkplugs there was insanely bad shape
[21:44:59] <XXCoder> guess should always replace sparkplugs when buy used car :P
[21:45:53] <roycroft> i don't have any spark plugs in my car
[21:45:57] <roycroft> that makes life easier
[21:46:47] <XXCoder> I bet
[21:47:00] <XXCoder> my bro's car has weird stuff
[21:47:03] <XXCoder> but then its 2014
[21:47:16] <XXCoder> it says ti should last very long time
[21:47:23] <XXCoder> I guess it means 200,000 miles or something
[21:47:31] <roycroft> i'm at 194k miles
[21:47:36] <roycroft> so my engine is almost broken in
[21:47:39] <furrywolf> roycroft: do you have glow plugs, high pressure fuel distributors, and other fun things like that?
[21:47:46] <roycroft> yes, i have all that other fun stuff
[21:48:48] <furrywolf> xxcoder: I replace plugs when I notice ignition-related misfires, not when I buy a car.
[21:49:09] <XXCoder> heh not something I can notice at all
[21:49:18] <XXCoder> well unless its very bad stalling due to that
[21:49:20] * furrywolf has noticed ford glow plugs last about as long as spark plugs...
[21:49:37] <roycroft> my car is a vw
[21:49:47] <roycroft> it uses bosch glow plugs, and they tend to last a long time
[21:49:48] <furrywolf> never worked on a vw diesel. I avoid vws in general.
[21:50:12] <roycroft> i currently own 3 vws
[21:50:21] <roycroft> two air-cooled buses and a tci new beetle
[21:50:52] <furrywolf> you're one of those weird people who likes the yearly engine rebuild, aren't you? :P
[21:50:59] <roycroft> come to think about it, i owned a '59 beetle once
[21:51:10] <roycroft> i also owned an '84 rabbit
[21:51:14] <XXCoder> yearly rebuild means car would live very long time
[21:51:18] <XXCoder> too bad I cant do that LOL
[21:51:23] <roycroft> and currently i have a '65 and a '74 bus, and a '99 beetle
[21:51:26] <XXCoder> honestly i would do 5 yr not yearly
[21:51:33] <roycroft> so a vw made in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s
[21:51:44] <roycroft> vw engines do not need to be rebuilt if they're taken care of
[21:51:48] <roycroft> not for a long long time
[21:51:50] <furrywolf> xxcoder: the life expectancy between rebuilds on an already-rebuilt air-cooled bus motor is something like 9000 miles.
[21:52:06] <XXCoder> pretty low
[21:52:10] <roycroft> funny, i've always gotten a lot more than that
[21:52:22] <roycroft> but i keep them clean, tuned up, and with good air flow
[21:52:26] <roycroft> and i don't abuse them when driving them
[21:52:34] <furrywolf> once they've been bored once, they lose the coating in the cylinders, and combined with the permanent state of overheating...
[21:52:52] <roycroft> except if you drive them correctly they don't ever overheat
[21:53:07] <roycroft> all that said i much prefer the type iv engine in my '74 bus
[21:53:11] <furrywolf> do you define "correctly" to include "keeping up with traffic"?
[21:53:28] <roycroft> they're a lot more robust than the upright engines
[21:53:34] <furrywolf> because if everyone else is going 70mph up a hill, you should too. :P
[21:53:37] <roycroft> i keep up with traffic
[21:53:41] <roycroft> but i'm allergic to freeways
[21:53:47] <furrywolf> lol
[21:53:50] <roycroft> and i don't go 70mph ever
[21:54:01] <roycroft> not uphill, not downhill, not in any of my vehicles
[21:54:09] <roycroft> the speed limit is 65mph on the freeways in oregon
[21:54:12] <furrywolf> see, for people who actually go places, at traffic speed, those engines last a year or so.
[21:54:12] <XXCoder> I heard some company finally figured how to do aluminum cyl. wall
[21:54:14] <roycroft> and 55 on the not freeways
[21:54:21] <XXCoder> so same temp = way better seal and better life
[21:54:27] <roycroft> and i drive 99+ % of the time on the not freeways
[21:54:28] <XXCoder> *same temp expansion pattern
[21:54:34] <furrywolf> all the reliable ones I've seen had subaru motors in them. :P
[21:55:00] <roycroft> there are high performance air-cooled vw engines
[21:55:08] <roycroft> but they're built from brand new engine cases
[21:55:12] <roycroft> and they're very expensive
[21:55:28] <furrywolf> someone I know recently got a project... a super beetle / subaru hybrid. not just a subaru motor, but the entire subaru drivetrain, suspension, wheels, steering...
[21:55:43] <furrywolf> front engined, of course
[21:55:49] <roycroft> i agree the the old upright engine cases are never the same after they're align-bored
[21:55:58] <Valen> I saw somebody stick an AWD subaru turbo something into a brumby i think
[21:56:07] <roycroft> the type iv pancake engine case rarely needs to be bored
[21:56:20] <roycroft> the type iv case is magnesium
[21:56:26] <Valen> or was it a mightyboy
[21:56:30] <furrywolf> it's half '70s super beetle and half '89 subaru, cut and welded at the rockers. so it has a subaru floor pan, but everything over it is vw.
[21:56:32] <roycroft> which is always fun when a moron who doesn't know any better starts welding on one :)
[21:57:20] <furrywolf> it looks perfectly normal, until you realize it has subaru rims, 4x4,...
[21:59:08] <furrywolf> I've never seen a vw engine burn, but I have seen a magnesium transmission burn... it's like a pure white ball of light, lighting up everything for a mile around...
[21:59:39] <XXCoder> thats one of things I want to do
[21:59:54] <XXCoder> just get junk magnesium
[22:00:03] <XXCoder> campfire with em
[22:01:05] <roycroft> or get a chunk of sodium and toss it in the lake
[22:01:14] <XXCoder> thats other one lol
[22:01:30] <roycroft> campfire in the rain
[22:01:42] <roycroft> in fact, when it rains it burns brighter
[22:01:43] <furrywolf> the problem with that is the tendency of the lake to toss the sodium back at you. (really!)
[22:01:52] <roycroft> yes, it's pretty violent stuff
[22:01:58] <XXCoder> yeah I would build some dropper
[22:02:04] <XXCoder> so it bounces up. probably.
[22:02:24] <XXCoder> roy its because its so hot it cracks water into oxy and hyrogen and burns em
[22:02:25] <roycroft> an excuse to build a trebuche!
[22:02:47] <roycroft> to hell with tossing pumpkins
[22:02:50] <roycroft> toss sodium
[22:03:00] <furrywolf> air cannons always win.
[22:03:47] <XXCoder> dry ice bombs :P
[22:06:50] <furrywolf> http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-long-sordid-tale-of-our-road-trip-through-frozen-hell-with-the-best-and-worst-station-wagons-in-the-world/ lol
[22:14:01] <XXCoder> reading lol
[22:15:24] <furrywolf> I've been on trips like that in vehicles like that. always fun!
[22:17:36] <PetefromTn_> Well folks..I was offered a position at a local machine shop today without even being asked LOL...Kinda surprised me but nice at the same time
[22:18:12] <furrywolf> "I suggested in the strongest possible terms that we explore Plan B, which involved pushing the Reliant into the ditch and setting it on fire, warming our hands on the flames and cheering the demise of this horrible goddamn car"
[22:18:44] <furrywolf> pete: heh, I've been offered a job at sears and the local motor rebuild shop, just randomly...
[22:19:35] <PetefromTn_> the nice thing is I will be working with a friend who I worked with at the last shop I was working in. He is a nice fellow and we get along pretty good.
[22:19:50] <Tom_itx> so you took the job?
[22:20:55] <furrywolf> a customer was at sears trying to order a part for his air compressor, and the staff were too incompetent to figure out which part he needed (he was fucking holding it! an unloader valve!). they had three staff people all incompetently poking at their website trying to find what it was.
[22:21:10] <PetefromTn_> well they offered me a GOOD wage and they are going to let me work there on my choice of hours which should allow me to still work in my own shop enough so I am going in tomorrow morning to speak with them again about it. They seem very nice.
[22:21:21] <furrywolf> I explained to the customer what it was, found it on their website, and told him how to install it. the manager promptly asked me if I wanted to work there. lol
[22:22:44] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf nice man..
[22:22:49] <furrywolf> pete: sounds like a good job
[22:22:49] <witnit_> smooth
[22:23:54] <PetefromTn_> the nice thing is it is a smallish shop with only two other employees one of which is my friend and it is a nice clean heated place to work.
[22:23:58] <furrywolf> the motor shop was the rotor for my welder... I'd replaced a broken slipring, spliced the field winding to it, nicely wrapped it in twine and epoxied it... but didn't have a lathe big enough to turn it round, so I brought it to them. the guy there looked at it, and mentioned they could use some more help....
[22:24:34] <furrywolf> pete: as long as the owner isn't an asshole, that's a good thing.
[22:25:14] <PetefromTn_> I only had a short convo with him so far and he SEEMED nice. He is from Brazil and sounded very intelligent over the phone.
[22:27:08] <Tom_itx> doing what? running cncs or programming or both?
[22:27:15] <PetefromTn_> both
[22:27:59] <furrywolf> tom: in a 3-person shop, both, plus sweeping, making coffee, repairs, answering the phone, purchasing,...
[22:28:15] <PetefromTn_> they have HAAS VMC's and use Mastercam just like the other local shops and they have several CNC turning centers. Hopefully I will get some more time on both and learn even more.
[22:28:18] <furrywolf> the smaller the shop, the less well-defined anyone's job is.
[22:28:22] <witnit_> you learn so much doing it all
[22:29:02] <PetefromTn_> true but it also means that there will most likely not be a lot of pecking order and everyone needs to pull the weight whenever possible however possible.
[22:29:17] <witnit_> yup
[22:29:34] <PetefromTn_> if it works out it works out if it doesn't it doesn't...
[22:29:41] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, i've been there
[22:29:56] <witnit_> do what you are best at and fill in as many gaps as you can
[22:30:10] <PetefromTn_> I am hopeful it will be something I can do and still have enough time to get a lot of work done in my own shop. I have current orders pending right now too...
[22:30:27] <Tom_itx> the owner was a good friend though which helped alot
[22:30:31] <witnit_> do you have production work or singular?
[22:31:13] <PetefromTn_> it is apparently kind of a short run/prototype shop.
[22:31:37] <witnit_> its hard to judge how much time you really have when you do that kind of work
[22:32:21] <witnit_> things get rushed one minute or you have to wait on some key aspect of a job to be worked out before you can continue
[22:33:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pretty familiar with this sort of work the last shop I worked in did the same basic things...
[22:33:18] <witnit_> i have enough trouble judging when dealing with production work, like, when your supplier suddenly runs out of material or you have a machine catch fire
[22:33:24] * furrywolf has never worked in a shop, lacking sufficient skills
[22:33:27] <PetefromTn_> also my own shop is kinda like this despite my efforts to move into light production parts..
[22:33:41] <witnit_> turning or milling work>
[22:33:43] <witnit_> ?
[22:34:26] <PetefromTn_> ?
[22:34:44] <witnit_> you want to do light production, what kind?
[22:35:19] <PetefromTn_> well right now I am needing to retrofit my CNC lathe so currently I only have the VMC and Tig welding/fabrication
[22:35:45] <witnit_> lathe is so much nicer than mill for one man shops IMO
[22:36:08] <witnit_> you get a barloader and you are set
[22:36:34] <PetefromTn_> I have run manual lathes for decades but this will be my first CNC lathe. With any luck this new job will help me speed up the buying parts side of the retrofit process.
[22:36:43] <witnit_> nobody wants to spend their precious time chucking and unchucking parts and loading vises
[22:37:09] <PetefromTn_> I know I see a lot of CNC lathe parts requests and wish I could take advantage of them but so far I am not ready..
[22:37:30] <witnit_> spindle bore>
[22:37:53] <PetefromTn_> well honestly if I can make a decent buck with it I don't mind running the VMC at all. In Face I kind of enjoy it.
[22:38:06] <PetefromTn_> I think it is like 1.625 or something like that..
[22:38:16] <witnit_> automatic feed?
[22:38:35] <witnit_> barfeed
[22:38:45] <PetefromTn_> no not yet it is just a bare carcass right now gutted of electronics. It will need a lot of work before it is ready....
[22:39:00] <witnit_> :) do you have pictures?
[22:39:10] <PetefromTn_> if I had the cash to order the parts I could probably have it running inside of a month or so easily.
[22:39:12] <witnit_> I like seeing things progress
[22:39:58] <PetefromTn_> not right now.. I kind of have it apart as I am repainting some of the sheetmetal. It is a 1997 model Standard Modern 14.5x40
[22:40:13] <PetefromTn_> 7.5HP spindle
[22:40:56] <PetefromTn_> kind of a smaller commercial machine and somewhere in between a full blown turning center and a manual engine lathe..
[22:41:55] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: damn awesome
[22:42:03] <PetefromTn_> what is..
[22:42:12] <XXCoder> your job offer
[22:42:25] <PetefromTn_> thanks man.. hoping for a good result.
[22:42:34] <PetefromTn_> tomorrow will tell a lot I think.
[22:42:56] <XXCoder> heh so far I still havent gotten job offer from that big shop
[22:43:19] <XXCoder> I think they are cold because of interpeter costs and they have weekly meetings :(
[22:43:23] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks
[22:43:33] <XXCoder> thats why 80% of deaf is unemployed
[22:43:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know you told us yesterday
[22:44:28] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:44:44] <XXCoder> well there might be another shop, it had hired deaf machinsts before
[22:44:47] <XXCoder> so bit better chance
[22:45:30] <PetefromTn_> honestly whil I am sure you are capable and skilled I would be apprehensive to put you in position of running a machine due to the lack of ability to hear problems or bad noises etc.. I know I am always listening for the bad boises LOL....
[22:45:41] <XXCoder> heh understandable
[22:45:55] <XXCoder> but then I has been running hurco vm20 for a while now
[22:46:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know..
[22:46:22] <witnit_> this was my last linuxcnc conversion, (this is not my video or machine but i have te same machine running EMC)
[22:46:25] <PetefromTn_> that is remarkable really.. I am glad you found a shop that was willing to work with you.
[22:46:25] <witnit_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdCd5tCb9E
[22:46:35] <XXCoder> Im getting to get feeling on bad cuts
[22:46:48] <XXCoder> I have grown to hate single flute 7/32
[22:46:52] <XXCoder> em
[22:47:25] <PetefromTn_> neato.. do you have any pictures of the lathe running?
[22:47:48] <witnit_> nah maybe some of it disected
[22:48:07] <XXCoder> cool lathe
[22:48:13] <witnit_> very quiet
[22:48:34] <witnit_> is fun, but it is air over hydraulic which is a total mess to have to manage
[22:48:58] <PetefromTn_> what is air over hydro?
[22:49:11] <witnit_> air rapid, hydraulic feeds
[22:49:23] <PetefromTn_> ?
[22:49:34] <witnit_> i shouldnt say air over ydraulic really that is soething else
[22:49:45] <witnit_> but its like, they rapid with an air piston on the slides
[22:50:03] <witnit_> then when triggered they switch over to a hydraulic which is valaves for a feedrate
[22:50:08] <witnit_> valved*
[22:50:37] <PetefromTn_> you added hydraulic actuators to a benchtop atlas lathe from the 70's for CNC?
[22:50:49] <witnit_> no
[22:50:58] <witnit_> i just trigger all the events for the machine with emx
[22:51:00] <witnit_> emc
[22:51:10] <witnit_> the existing hydraulic feeds are manually set
[22:51:22] <PetefromTn_> it came that way?
[22:51:26] <witnit_> yeah
[22:52:05] <PetefromTn_> ya sure you don't have a picture? I would be curious what that looks like...never heard of or seen anything like that?
[22:52:26] <witnit_> ill dig p something for you
[22:52:49] <PetefromTn_> cool...tomorrow tho. Gotta get to bed here got work tomorrow LOL...
[22:53:19] <witnit_> harding ahc
[22:53:27] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[22:53:30] <witnit_> would be suficient for you to find info on them
[22:53:34] <witnit_> hardinge ahc
[22:53:40] <PetefromTn_> I thought you said it was an atlas?
[22:53:46] <witnit_> nope
[22:53:49] <PetefromTn_> I know what a hardinge is..
[22:53:54] <PetefromTn_> had one for awhile here.
[22:53:54] <witnit_> someone else mentioned atlas
[22:54:19] <witnit_> this is not a speed lathe
[22:54:22] <PetefromTn_> no didn't you link the youtube video?
[22:54:34] <witnit_> that was a hardinge
[22:55:00] <PetefromTn_> no it was an atlas craftsman lathe..
[22:55:06] <witnit_> uhhh
[22:55:13] <witnit_> i will double check my link
[22:55:48] <witnit_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdCd5tCb9E
[22:55:50] <witnit_> ooops
[22:55:53] <witnit_> that link hahaha
[22:55:59] <witnit_> wronggg
[22:56:12] <PetefromTn_> same link
[22:57:02] <PetefromTn_> well Gn8 gotta get ta bed.
[22:57:13] <witnit_> later
[23:06:03] <furrywolf> "Applications like "Choose us, because we'll wear beaver costumes in the paddock and our car is entirely coated in birch bark" give you much better odds."
[23:07:09] <XXCoder> whoa. nobody sells 3475 lights for my van. weird
[23:14:37] <XXCoder> weird. manual says 3475 but online stores show need 3156