#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-01-03

[00:09:41] <The_Ball_Shed> I've upgraded from 8.04 to 12.04 but latency jitter has shot through the roof :(
[00:09:58] <The_Ball_Shed> from ~10us to ~100us
[00:10:24] <The_Ball_Shed> causing joint following errors even on a mesa card
[00:12:52] <zeeshan> sounds like a driver issue?
[00:16:13] <The_Ball_Shed> yeah, I'm trying the vesa driver instead of nouevu, looking much better
[00:32:10] <The_Ball_Shed> the vesa drive looks good as far as latency, but still getting joint following errors on rapid jogs, odd
[00:33:07] <zeeshan> is there a live cd for 12.04?
[00:33:33] <The_Ball_Shed> Not sure, I did a side-by-side install, so I can boot back into 8.04 to test
[00:34:06] <The_Ball_Shed> Also I was using the nv driver on 8.04 which was renamed to nouevau or what ever it is
[00:41:23] <Connor> I prefer 10.04
[00:41:53] <The_Ball_Shed> This is the "correct" kernel right? 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[00:45:55] <The_Ball_Shed> Connor, why do you prefer 10.04?
[00:46:17] <Connor> No unity interface
[00:46:39] <Connor> newer than 8.04
[00:46:39] <XXCoder1> unity sucjs
[00:46:55] <XXCoder1> see it sucks so hard that it caused me to typo :P
[00:47:30] <ripple> latency-plot alongside htop might give you some clues, i dunno tho
[00:50:37] <ripple> latency-histogram might help as well
[00:51:40] <ripple> okay whoever wrote this latency-histogram is genius, they put glxgears button right on the front of it.
[01:30:18] <The_Ball> Connor, I want to run linuxcnc-features, but it requires python2.6 which 8.04 doesn't have, does 10.04 have python2.6?
[03:12:51] <Deejay> moin
[03:23:44] <Connor> The_Ball: I'm pretty sure 10.04 does..
[03:23:53] <Connor> but, I don't recall off the top of my head.
[03:30:48] <Connor> The_Ball: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/python
[05:32:12] <G0704> hi
[05:33:02] <G0704> how i can fix defective ballscrew?
[05:39:56] <G0704_> hii
[05:40:06] <G0704_> morning..
[05:41:41] <The_Ball> Connor, nice, might give 10.04 a go, I'm not getting any luck with 12.04
[05:41:57] <The_Ball> Connor, unfortunately 10.04 only has a few months left of lts
[05:44:54] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:45:05] <G0704_> hi The_Ball
[05:45:50] <G0704_> I'ts me with the defective ballscrew from automationtechnologiesinc
[05:46:03] <Loetmichel> hmm, did i forget something or can i drive to the wood dealer? (wife wants to have a rack for her acumulated (tablet) computers above the nightstand) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15490&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[05:46:12] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN3911_zps12d70a65.jpg.html?sort=6&o=0
[05:46:39] <G0704_> this is the ballscrew and the missing parts.
[05:47:22] <G0704_> automationtechnologiesinc, don't really help.. so i dont know what to do.
[05:47:31] <The_Ball> G0704_, hi
[05:47:36] <G0704_> hi
[05:49:01] <The_Ball> what's defective about the m12 nuts?
[05:50:03] <G0704_> thay not fit on the thrad - the inside thrad is massup
[05:50:38] <G0704_> go with the arrows on the top, I've upload abour 30 photos.
[05:51:28] <G0704_> about*
[05:58:24] <G0704_> any ideas?
[06:01:45] <archivist> sales law would normally say goods not fit for purpose must be refunded or replaced
[06:02:18] <archivist> remind them that there current level of service is being logged on the internet
[06:03:32] <G0704_> I've talk with them about via phone and emails
[06:04:04] <G0704_> but they give me answer like "you are the first one"
[06:04:11] <G0704_> "we dont know"
[06:04:22] <G0704_> "we are only the sellers"
[06:05:36] <archivist> the sellers are responsible
[06:05:43] <G0704_> I'm sooo upset. It's supussed to be plug and play,, but it is very expensive junk.
[06:08:21] <archivist> the odd missing ball should not be a problem though
[06:09:22] <G0704_> yes.. i can orther balls, but the benting in the X and Y
[06:10:08] <G0704_> and the almpst every tern.. dents on the Z axis. - this is the major problem..
[06:10:40] <G0704_> almost*
[06:10:43] <archivist> remember balls are selected for fit
[06:11:32] <G0704_> what do you mean??
[06:11:33] <archivist> roughness is not acceptable, is it dirt?
[06:12:07] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0102_zps884d7604.jpg.html?sort=6&o=5
[06:12:18] <archivist> they make the balls crew and nut separately then fit balls to make the fit correct
[06:12:22] <G0704_> is it look like dirt?
[06:12:34] <G0704_> http://s79.photobucket.com/user/G0704/media/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0096_zpsf9ef04c1.jpg.html?sort=6&o=7
[06:12:41] <archivist> photofukket is broken for me
[06:13:21] <G0704_> try now
[06:13:23] <G0704_> http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j137/G0704/G0704%20Defective%20ballscrew%20kit/DSCN0102_zps884d7604.jpg?t=1420199504
[06:14:12] <G0704_> archivist: http://i.imgur.com/BGe8bU1.jpg
[06:15:01] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-12.png
[06:15:33] <archivist> imgur is ok, that dent is a fault
[06:15:52] <G0704_> imagen 20 like that
[06:16:52] <G0704_> imagine*
[06:17:10] <archivist> I dont want to :)
[06:17:31] <archivist> send a lawyers letter
[06:18:07] <G0704_> http://i.imgur.com/nFYToUf.jpg
[06:18:49] <G0704_> this is the bending in the Y axis ^
[06:19:33] <archivist> bending is a sign of poor heat treatment
[06:20:16] <G0704_> http://i.imgur.com/P9rEXWl.jpg
[06:20:21] <G0704_> this is the bending in the X axis ^
[06:20:29] <G0704_> so.. what to do??
[06:21:07] <G0704_> 900$ go to the garbage
[06:22:52] <archivist> get 900 bakc from the supplier
[06:23:50] <G0704_> how?
[06:24:09] <archivist> I dont know the laws in your country
[06:24:23] <G0704_> NY
[06:25:01] <G0704_> I'm from NY manhattan
[06:25:11] <archivist> you expect me to fly over from the UK to learn your local laws?
[06:26:08] <G0704_> no.. but UK is an aowsom place!
[06:26:24] <G0704_> awesome*
[06:26:37] <G0704_> here is 7 AM
[06:27:07] <archivist> I believe some of our consumer laws were copied from US law
[06:27:57] <G0704_> all the night try to understand what to do.. soo angery and upset
[06:28:28] <archivist> public shaming is working rather well too. it makes internet sellers fix problems
[06:29:31] <G0704_> he sounds like the all indian / chinease costomer service..
[06:30:27] <archivist> well they soon learn like this hotel did http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/tripadvisor-couple-bad-hotel-review-charged-blackpool-broadway
[06:31:55] <G0704_> WOW
[06:33:34] <G0704_> I've post the story in cnc zone
[06:33:51] <G0704_> but so far i can't find it..
[06:34:39] <archivist> some sites wont carry a story that rubbishes their advertiser, bad site
[06:34:40] <G0704_> moderator need to approve it..
[06:35:17] <archivist> they may be asking the advetiser is this so? and you get a fix anyway
[06:36:24] <G0704_> automationtechnologiesinc advertised in cnc zone??
[06:37:06] <archivist> I dont know I hardly go there
[06:37:43] <G0704_> you know about other site?
[06:39:44] <G0704_> or other place to get servo motors and conversion kit?
[06:53:07] <archivist> I still dont have servo stuff here
[06:55:30] <G0704_> what do you mean?
[06:56:17] <archivist> I am still using steppers
[06:59:44] <G0704_> I am still use my hands!!!
[06:59:49] <G0704_> archivist: ^^
[06:59:58] <G0704_> no CNC :(
[07:01:03] <archivist> this is real hand turning http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[07:03:10] <G0704_> ART!
[07:03:13] <syyl_ws> :)
[07:03:22] <syyl_ws> I cant wait to get my lorch watchmakers lathe
[07:03:26] <G0704_> what metal is that?
[07:03:26] <syyl_ws> its still in the mail
[07:03:44] <syyl_ws> heavy metal!
[07:03:48] <syyl_ws> looks like brass
[07:03:49] <archivist> steel
[07:03:56] <syyl_ws> damn :D
[07:04:10] <G0704_> 304? 316?
[07:06:39] <archivist> no idea was a bit in the scrap box http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lorch
[07:07:46] <archivist> syyl_ws, wait till you find the reverse lead screws
[07:08:34] <G0704_> artist!
[07:09:21] <archivist> it is easier than it looks
[07:10:45] <G0704_> i want CNC machine!!!!
[07:10:54] <G0704_> soo unfair!
[07:11:01] <archivist> when I went to a clockmakers about a job, he asked ahve you ever done hand turning, nope, he pointed me at a lathe and a graver, have a go
[07:11:42] <syyl_ws> :)
[07:11:45] <archivist> it is easier to do that sort of curved part by hand, no faffing about programming and cam
[07:12:19] <syyl_ws> :)
[07:12:20] <syyl_ws> http://www.lathes.co.uk/lorchwatchmaker/img13.jpg
[07:12:35] <syyl_ws> i am getting one of that styile
[07:12:51] <syyl_ws> with collets and some accessories
[07:12:58] <G0704_> I'm work with solidworks several years, so for me to make somthing on the computer it's very easy.
[07:13:23] <syyl_ws> a friend asked me if I want his for free
[07:13:26] <archivist> I should take pics of mine, but the handle is broken at the moment on the cross slide
[07:13:47] <archivist> that is the right price
[07:13:53] <syyl_ws> :D
[07:14:02] <archivist> same price as mine :)
[07:14:10] <G0704_> you have any backlash on this lathe?
[07:14:20] <syyl_ws> and the prices on ebay are just idiotic
[07:14:31] <syyl_ws> 5000 bucks for one with some tooling
[07:15:08] <archivist> saw a cross/top slide go for nearly £300
[07:15:24] <syyl_ws> you can get a minilathe for that money :D
[07:15:40] <archivist> and it will be stronger
[07:16:02] <archivist> but less versatile for hand turning
[07:16:19] <syyl_ws> and it doesnt have that nice look to it
[07:17:02] <archivist> that nut under the spindle is a bugger to get at, I think a special spanner was needed
[07:17:50] <syyl_ws> the nut that holds the headstock?
[07:18:19] <archivist> it is to rotate the headstock for taper work
[07:19:29] <syyl_ws> ah ok
[07:20:13] <archivist> an open ender cannot turn it properly, need to remove the spindle to use a ring
[07:24:48] <archivist> look what the internet finds http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Lorch/headstockandspanner.jpg
[07:25:31] <archivist> I must make one of those
[07:43:42] <The_Ball> So G92 stays in effect between LinuxCNC restarts it seems. Do you guys usually program a G92.2 or G92.1 as part of the startup or preamble?
[07:45:45] <Jymmm> If that's metric/imperial, then I surely would.
[07:46:55] <jthornton> hmm looks like I need to add G92 to my preamble http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen01.html
[07:48:54] <The_Ball> Jymmm, no it's Coordinate System Offset, your thinking of G20/G21
[07:49:01] <Jymmm> ah
[07:49:35] <Jymmm> Heh, could you imagine wiring one of these to ESTOP and mount right above the START switch =) http://www.dx.com/p/led-infrared-detection-controller-human-body-induction-switch-black-12-24v-366052
[07:49:49] <The_Ball> jthornton, nice guide, yeah I guess a G92.2 doesn't loose the information stored in the registers
[07:50:35] <The_Ball> Jymmm, well with a 8 meter range you could mount it anywhere
[07:50:57] <Jymmm> The_Ball: No, I meant to mess with people on purpose =)
[07:51:46] <Jymmm> The_Ball: Hit START, motion triggers ESTOP, lather rinse, repeat
[07:52:21] <The_Ball> Jymmm, I have some of those cheap IR sensors, basically if you are in the same room they trigger, so you won't be hitting start
[07:52:53] <The_Ball> They're good for presence detection for lights etc
[07:52:54] <G0704_> finally thay publish it!
[07:52:54] <Jymmm> The_Ball: There's a way to trick them =)
[07:52:56] <G0704_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html
[07:53:04] <The_Ball> Jymmm, you mean mask them?
[07:53:32] <Jymmm> The_Ball: so you go undetected
[08:20:38] <G0704_> hi
[08:35:38] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you gettin all the weather we were supposed to get?
[08:37:25] <jthornton> got some last night
[08:38:04] <Tom_itx> we were supposed to get 2-5" and got 0
[09:31:05] <jthornton> looks like we got 2.75" of rain last night... I'd better check my drains
[10:03:24] <tjtr33> couple inches of freezing slop here (Chicago)
[10:03:54] <tjtr33> temp right near freezing, so i just finished scarping the drive & walks
[10:04:54] <tjtr33> scraping... looking fwds to spring already
[10:13:21] <The_Ball> huh, cutting out a piece to flipover so that it fits upside down in the cut out grooves is pretty clever, haven't seen that before
[10:13:55] <The_Ball> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BLD4dFoXC7o#t=418
[10:22:41] <jthornton> drain working well, got a couple of levee breaks to fix
[10:26:23] <tjtr33> The_Ball, interesting he made extruded model before committing to routing the wood.
[10:26:42] <tjtr33> and the machine is nice
[11:02:46] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: looks like a fun week, -3F for a high Wed
[11:05:27] <tjtr33> glad i put up the roof de-icers this year. 1st snow = slop , then a week of freeze = guaranteed ice dams
[11:06:09] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: what do they have for a thermostat and how is it set?
[11:11:47] <tjtr33> builtin thermostat, crude tho. mfctr recommends external. I just manually turn em on & off
[11:12:38] <tjtr33> originally used remotes ctrld ac outlets. but i bought cheap scr units and ended up removinf, going back to a simple switch.
[11:13:17] <tjtr33> roofline has nice melted zigzag pattern now :)
[11:17:04] <pcw_home> 35F here today and tender Californians think the end is nigh
[11:20:33] <tjtr33> i'm watching Andreas Schiffler's videos on his T60 laptop w Linuxcnc running ethercat.
[11:20:34] <tjtr33> the cabinet wiring so nice w just daisy chained cat5.
[11:32:38] <pcw_home> I wonder which laptops can have power management de-fanged enough to work (maybe on line power its less of an issue)
[12:25:55] <Jymmm> Vanity or what? http://www.dx.com/p/gs50-720p-2-7-tft-2mp-cmos-wide-angle-dual-camera-car-dvr-w-8-led-ir-night-vision-black-254896
[12:26:51] <Loetmichel> "that worked better than expected"... now i'm waiting for the glue to set and then will grind down my little "change of plans" because of that forgotten side wall... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15496
[12:29:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you have too many laptops not in use and made an apartment for them?
[12:30:22] <XXCoder1> wo what an ricious item
[12:30:28] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: my wife keeps shoving her laptop and the tablets from the nightstand. so i am making her a "rack" for that that will sit on the wall ABOVE the nightstand
[12:30:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ah
[12:31:08] <Loetmichel> just that i forgot to order a side wall today at tha wood dealer
[12:31:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and they only rotate 120 deg
[12:31:19] <XXCoder1> fancy. lol
[12:31:33] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: gotcha
[12:31:46] <Loetmichel> so i had to improvise. PLan was to do it this way: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15490&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:32:49] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: how many tablets does she need?
[12:33:47] <XXCoder1> 10
[12:36:14] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: one company ipad, one private Ipad, one Andoid 10", one amazon reader. and the IBM x60s and the company blackberry and the private Galaxy s5
[12:36:57] <Loetmichel> ... and she has ordered some room for her tv/bdplyer/sky reciver remote ;-)
[12:37:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you're just a gadget freak
[12:39:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: hope you left room for all the charging adapters/PS
[12:39:13] <furrywolf> ... the only things on my nightstand that need power are my alarm clock and vibrator. the laptops live in the living room, along with the phone, etc.
[12:39:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: nightstand palm sander?
[12:40:02] <XXCoder1> lol new one to me
[12:40:33] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i have bought a 6 port power strip that fits on the back wall ;-)
[12:41:07] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: its not for me.
[12:41:26] <Loetmichel> for me it would have to be mirrored because i sleep on the left side of the bed ;.)
[12:42:18] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: as my wife tends to work a lot from bed... its convenient to have the tools there ;-)
[12:42:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: cam girl?
[12:43:05] <furrywolf> lol
[12:43:12] <Loetmichel> SAP manager
[12:43:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: cam girl pays better
[12:43:39] <furrywolf> the tool on my nightstand is probably more fun. :P
[12:43:43] <Loetmichel> not sure about that ;-)
[12:43:57] <Loetmichel> @ Jymmm
[12:44:16] <Loetmichel> when i see her paycheck i get the pure envy ;-)
[12:44:23] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Here with have oracle arena and sap arena
[12:46:46] <Jymmm> I'm just not sure how to create an enclosure for this with the LED raised above the buttons as it is http://www.dxsoul.com//product/b3603-dc-dc-constant-voltage-current-step-down-module-green-901247601
[12:47:55] <XXCoder1> could you desolder and move stuff to better position for case?
[12:48:00] <XXCoder1> use wires
[12:48:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Unsure, I see pads on the side, maybe for header for external controls?
[12:49:12] <XXCoder1> I think its pins under it to interface with bottom board
[12:49:16] <XXCoder1> both sides?
[12:49:25] <XXCoder1> oh I see it
[12:49:48] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_KjmF1iI9w
[12:50:46] <Loetmichel> i would simply make some holes in the case
[12:50:56] <Loetmichel> no need for the leds to stick out
[12:51:02] <XXCoder1> or wire it to some socket
[12:51:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250 <- like this
[12:51:14] <XXCoder1> attach socket in some place you can connect some wire with it
[12:51:28] <XXCoder1> good idea is molex?
[12:52:35] <Jymmm> Like I said not sure. You need access to the buttons easily, but they are below the LED
[12:53:48] <Jymmm> when I say below, I mean in height
[12:55:19] <Jymmm> Hmmm, that would need to be a 5 pin header, shoot.
[12:56:13] <XXCoder1> yeah desolder it and place it better somehow so case would work
[12:56:54] <XXCoder1> or nifty plastic light transfer thingy for each leds.
[12:57:16] <Jymmm> That still recesses the buttons
[12:57:27] <Jymmm> I was going to use smoked acrylic
[12:57:50] <XXCoder1> either use "button pusher" buttons or move buttons
[12:58:12] <XXCoder1> dunno what proper name is but its a button that presses button below it when pressed
[12:58:23] <Jymmm> I know what you're saying
[12:59:52] <Loetmichel> plunger?
[13:03:33] <XXCoder1> http://www.jackssmallengines.com/Parts-Lookup/532125925/637612/ps?gclid=CLzT6J-9-MICFQpsfgoda7EAyQ
[13:03:36] <XXCoder1> interesting
[13:15:53] <Jymmm> Here we go... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Atari-2600-Joystick.jpg
[13:52:37] <furrywolf> I really need a better internet connection.
[13:55:45] <JT-Shop> You can have mine I'm lucky to get 56k when it is overcast
[13:59:46] <furrywolf> same here
[15:34:14] <zeeshan|2> anyone come across this in an air compressor manual...;
[15:34:17] <zeeshan|2> 'drain tank monthly' ?
[15:34:21] <zeeshan|2> i thought it was daily!
[15:34:42] <[cube]> no it's bi-decadely
[15:34:53] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:35:00] <furrywolf> I thought you only did that when you wanted to move the compressor and it was too heavy to move?
[15:35:06] <XXCoder1> heh saw one that was 1/4 full of water
[15:35:11] <roycroft> if you take a compressor to the moon a day is 28 earth days long
[15:35:12] <XXCoder1> guy never drained
[15:35:14] <SpeedEvil> I have actually pondered replacing my compressor tank with coke bottles
[15:35:27] <roycroft> that's not the biggest problem though
[15:35:33] <roycroft> finding some air to compress is the greater challenge
[15:35:42] <SpeedEvil> They can easily handle the pressure, and failure is several orders of magnitude less dangerous
[15:35:48] <SpeedEvil> Also - rather lighter
[15:36:13] * furrywolf has seen water rockets explode, so doesn't think they can easily handle the pressure.
[15:36:20] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I dont have a compresor, I use a 40Cf Nitrogen tank
[15:36:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:36:41] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: they can take ~180PSI
[15:36:46] <MrHindsight> I just use heavy air
[15:37:14] <furrywolf> speedevil: at what temperature? air fresh from the compressor is burning hot. and how much UV exposure? and what percentage of bottles?
[15:38:19] <furrywolf> for example, air from the compressor is hot enough to almost instantly burst reinforced pvc air hoses...
[15:39:22] <Jymmm> hook up an old AC condensor to it
[15:39:44] <furrywolf> also, soda bottles in stores randomly pop during shipping...
[15:40:21] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I was assuming an intercooler
[15:40:23] <XXCoder1> when I worked at vend company bottles tend to be fine
[15:40:43] <XXCoder1> once a long while we will see couple failures
[15:40:56] <Jymmm> Yeah, 2L soda bottles are rated to exceed 120 PSI
[15:41:18] <Jymmm> caps are cheaply made though.
[15:41:29] <zeeshan|2> whats the pressure inside a 2L bottle typically?
[15:41:33] <XXCoder1> smaller ones is tougher a bit. Those failures is almost always due tp physical damage
[15:43:13] <furrywolf> or just, you know, use an air tank.
[15:43:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: 120PSI.... CO2
[15:43:51] <zeeshan|2> i dont believe you :P
[15:44:01] <zeeshan|2> i can squish a 2l bottle by hand when its brand new
[15:44:09] <zeeshan|2> it feels like its at like 20 psi at most
[15:44:13] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: good for you
[15:44:29] <furrywolf> zeeshan: depends on temperature. leave one in a hot car for a while and try again. drop it a few times too.
[15:44:30] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: shake it first and lets see you squish it
[15:44:44] <Jymmm> biotch!
[15:44:49] <XXCoder1> zeeshan|2: its rated thay high because they ship to MANY locatons. including high altitide
[15:45:06] <XXCoder1> you easily squash em because you're olviously near sea level
[15:45:19] <zeeshan|2> or im the HULK!
[15:45:45] <Jymmm> the cut threads are a safety ting, to allow the release of pressure before the threads completely disengange
[15:45:48] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: or shake it hard. it's definitely firm it up. (hm almost sounds xrated)
[15:45:58] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: yea i used to design those!
[15:46:17] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: did not!
[15:46:20] <zeeshan|2> i didz
[15:46:24] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: did not!
[15:46:34] <zeeshan|2> proof coming!
[15:46:37] <G0704> hi
[15:46:48] <XXCoder1> loop first 2 statements 1,000 times :P
[15:46:49] <XXCoder1> hey
[15:47:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: biotch biotch...
[15:47:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mA6aJoX.jpg
[15:47:43] <XXCoder1> heh I did "did not" "i didz"
[15:47:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/A65CYYt.png
[15:47:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/xmF7iPt.png
[15:47:52] <zeeshan|2> thread ERRORS
[15:48:24] <G0704> I'f i want to use G302X I need breakout board?
[15:48:32] <MrHindsight> wow SW 2006
[15:48:37] <zeeshan|2> haha yea it was a while ago
[15:48:47] <G0704> zeeshan|2: what is this jet?
[15:48:59] <zeeshan|2> nah preforms for blow molding
[15:49:04] <MrHindsight> you forget how it changes over the years
[15:49:20] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: yea its gotten SO much better!!
[15:49:30] <zeeshan|2> some people hate command manager..
[15:49:32] <zeeshan|2> i love it.
[15:49:46] <zeeshan|2> and the mating.. so nice
[15:50:21] <MrHindsight> I jump between NX, SW, Catia and Creo, sometimes I get features confused
[15:50:31] <zeeshan|2> never used catia or creo
[15:50:41] <zeeshan|2> are you advanced with nx?
[15:50:55] <MrHindsight> Creo used to be ProEngineer (ProE)
[15:51:14] <MrHindsight> NX does the most
[15:51:25] <MrHindsight> the designers like Creo
[15:51:27] <_methods> nx and catia are nutz
[15:51:34] <_methods> so many features
[15:51:37] <zeeshan|2> im moderate use of nx
[15:51:39] <zeeshan|2> still need to learn a lot
[15:51:43] <G0704> someone can help me with the breakout board?
[15:51:45] <zeeshan|2> solidworks ive used forever
[15:51:57] <zeeshan|2> inventor i like a lot too
[15:51:58] <MrHindsight> G0704: whats the problem?
[15:51:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: have not!
[15:52:02] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: haha
[15:52:10] <Jymmm> =)
[15:52:15] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i might bother you with nx q's
[15:52:15] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:52:18] <G0704> MrHindsight: if i want to use G302X I need breakout board?
[15:52:25] <MrHindsight> I never got the hang of AutoCad
[15:52:40] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: my training started with autocad
[15:52:46] <zeeshan|2> once you use parametric modeling
[15:52:46] <MrHindsight> never used it enough
[15:52:49] <zeeshan|2> it's hard to go back to autocad..
[15:53:17] <furrywolf> I need to learn a cad program...
[15:53:17] <zeeshan|2> i found out why civil people sitll use it
[15:53:23] <MrHindsight> G0704: is that a stepper driver? post links
[15:53:25] <furrywolf> I've used a couple, but never skillfully.
[15:53:26] <zeeshan|2> they can make huge drawings without the whole software lagging
[15:53:50] <G0704> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/dc-servo-motor-driver/geckodrive-servo-motor-driver-g320x
[15:53:55] <G0704> servo driver
[15:54:01] <G0704> MrHindsight: ^
[15:54:05] <zeeshan|2> G0704: yes you need a breakout for that
[15:54:23] <zeeshan|2> im sure its optically isolated
[15:54:27] <zeeshan|2> but your other stuff will need it
[15:55:09] <furrywolf> yes, you need a breakout board. you could make something work without one, but it'll probably be unreliable, as well as more work to build.
[15:55:46] <roycroft> i do a lot of civil work and i find autocad excels for that
[15:55:53] <roycroft> but i use solidworks anytime i'm doing 3d modeling
[15:55:56] <G0704> so what to buy?
[15:55:57] <Deejay> gn8
[15:55:58] <G0704> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards
[15:56:24] <roycroft> i don't think one can replace the other at all
[15:56:31] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: i agree
[15:56:41] <MrHindsight> G0704: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/kl-db25-breakout-board probably safer for you to use one
[15:56:47] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt give up autocad electrical for any other cad software
[15:56:49] <MrHindsight> since you're asking
[15:56:52] <zeeshan|2> 3d modelling softwarte i mean.
[15:58:02] <G0704> MrHindsight: what about this one? http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/breakout-boards/c10-bidirectional-breakout
[15:58:30] <furrywolf> bbl, off to pick up car parts.
[15:58:47] <MrHindsight> G0704: sure but be aware! the docs are all horrible
[15:59:10] <MrHindsight> you'll have to double check all the jumpers with a meter to be safe
[16:00:33] <MrHindsight> Note to Chinese breakout board manufacturers: Have a native English speaker and EE check you docs. You won't lose face and you'll just gain customers.
[16:00:43] <MrHindsight> you/your
[16:03:31] <Jymmm> ...and make sure it's not MrHindsight ;)
[16:04:23] <XXCoder1> lol
[16:04:45] <XXCoder1> I call it corrector curse, person criticizing grammar WILL make errors.
[16:05:03] <MrHindsight> the docs for the c10 aren't bad
[16:06:26] <MrHindsight> I probably make more typos on IRC than anyone
[16:07:11] <zeeshan|2> im the worst :)
[16:07:11] <XXCoder1> I speolrl better with checker. I make many minor grammar errors because english arent my primary language
[16:07:24] <zeeshan|2> cause i type fast without proofreading cause this is IRC!
[16:07:30] <MrHindsight> same here
[16:07:30] <zeeshan|2> not a technical document :)
[16:11:13] <G0704> CNCZONE are censoring people, not letting them say anything bad about automationtechnologiesinc
[16:11:21] <zeeshan|2> haha why
[16:11:30] <zeeshan|2> automtiontechnolgies is pretty good
[16:11:32] <zeeshan|2> all my stuff worked
[16:11:37] <G0704> Before: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Riu1EZT15AUJ:www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[16:11:52] <G0704> After: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/255002-cnc-manufacturing.html
[16:12:13] <XXCoder1> firefox says webcache googleusercontent isnt trusted
[16:13:28] <G0704> CNCzone.com can not be trusted, since they are parciat towarts automtion technolgies
[16:13:57] <zeeshan|2> G0704: almost most chinese balkl screws
[16:14:03] <zeeshan|2> are missing balls. its not hhard to add more.
[16:14:18] <G0704> but i get 1mm runout!!
[16:14:28] <G0704> it is totaly bend!
[16:14:34] <G0704> bent*
[16:15:20] <zeeshan|2> return those ball screws
[16:15:32] <G0704> I think that it should be out in the open that automtion technolgies inc products are of a poor quality.
[16:15:41] <zeeshan|2> they are exactly that
[16:15:42] <zeeshan|2> resellers
[16:15:46] <zeeshan|2> actually i have to say..
[16:15:51] <G0704> the ballscrews are
[16:15:52] <zeeshan|2> my SMPS power supply blew up after the 2nd power cycle
[16:15:59] <zeeshan|2> but CNC4pc makes the power supplies
[16:16:10] <G0704> This is not an excuse
[16:16:14] <zeeshan|2> they made me return it to cnc4pc, and cnc4pc gave me a toriod instead
[16:16:19] <zeeshan|2> without any hassle.
[16:16:25] <G0704> a reseller selling junk, is still selling junk
[16:16:35] <zeeshan|2> its chinese quality..
[16:16:37] <t12_> junk rules
[16:16:44] <zeeshan|2> you need to order ball screws directly from chai
[16:16:47] <zeeshan|2> linearmotionbearings2008
[16:17:05] <MarkusBec> have anyone any idea to convert an int to boolean ?
[16:17:07] <zeeshan|2> try to get your money back
[16:17:24] <G0704> he know how to make the machining for the G0704?
[16:17:31] <zeeshan|2> yea
[16:17:38] <zeeshan|2> i think Connor ordered his ball screws from there.
[16:17:44] <MarkusBec> I have something like bit 0 is run sing bit 1 direktion etc
[16:17:46] <zeeshan|2> connor has a g0704. see if you can get the drawing from him
[16:18:06] <G0704> and what to do with the mounts?
[16:19:57] <G0704> linearmotionbearings2008 closed?
[16:23:35] <zeeshan|2> G0704: i would talk to connor
[16:23:37] <zeeshan|2> he's the expert :)
[16:23:59] <zeeshan|2> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/g0704-kit/grizzly-g0704-mill-cnc-conversion-kit-mounts-with-ballnut-mounts
[16:24:09] <zeeshan|2> i think chai knows what ball screws wwork with those
[16:27:17] <G0704> kassyopea it's also automationtechnologiesinc?
[16:28:26] <G0704> zeeshan|2: the link thet you send reffer to kassyopea, that look very similar to automationtechnologiesinc website
[16:36:11] <G0704> zeeshan|2: MarkusBec t12_
[16:36:27] <G0704> what do tou think about this kit?
[16:36:28] <G0704> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Conversion-Kit-for-G0704-Milling-Machine-/291256396449?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
[16:36:34] <[cube]> looks like kassyopea is the name of the theme they're using
[16:36:41] <[cube]> and they were too lazy to replace the default theme logo
[16:37:57] <[cube]> http://www.yourinspirationweb.com/tf/kassyopea/
[16:39:16] <G0704> they also lazy with other stuff.
[16:40:10] <G0704> [cube]: do yoy know about non chinease ballscrews?
[16:40:26] <Connor> lmb2008 is good. they're machine them to spec if you ask.
[16:40:33] <zeeshan|2> there is connor :P
[16:40:43] <zeeshan|2> connor in the RV?
[16:40:44] <Connor> just for a minute.. moving to the RV today.
[16:40:47] <zeeshan|2> ah
[16:41:28] <[cube]> sorry G0704, I don't...only that they're probably double the price
[16:41:37] <zeeshan|2> and double the quality!
[16:41:37] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:41:43] <zeeshan|2> tripple the quality
[16:41:51] * zeeshan|2 can only afford chinese ball screws
[16:41:52] <MrHindsight> ask for non crunchy please
[16:42:08] <zeeshan|2> my lmb2008 ball screws were within 0.004" backlash
[16:42:08] <[cube]> i just cleaned out my brass chinese acme nuts
[16:42:15] <zeeshan|2> i ordered the double nuts and that should get rid of it.
[16:42:16] <[cube]> there was still burrs and shavings from the threading
[16:42:21] <[cube]> that they didnt bother to clean off
[16:42:22] <zeeshan|2> haha cube
[16:42:29] <G0704> is the junk is 200$ double the price is not that bad..
[16:42:32] <zeeshan|2> do u remember the mill i posted?
[16:42:36] <zeeshan|2> is yours similar to this one?
[16:42:40] <[cube]> yea
[16:42:45] <[cube]> it looks similar in size
[16:42:52] <MrHindsight> I have gotten so many bad ones that now I only pickup and test before I drive away
[16:42:52] <zeeshan|2> G0704: im just messing around
[16:42:53] <[cube]> the green one right?
[16:42:59] <zeeshan|2> rockford ball screws are around 900-1000
[16:43:13] <zeeshan|2> lol i forgot the color
[16:43:14] <zeeshan|2> i gotta check
[16:43:19] <[cube]> zeeshan: can you not make your own? limited to length?
[16:43:26] <zeeshan|2> ball screws?
[16:43:29] <[cube]> yeah
[16:43:35] <zeeshan|2> you want them ground
[16:43:58] <zeeshan|2> you could prolly make some okay ones on the lathe
[16:44:09] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[16:44:09] <MrHindsight> I'm looking for a nice grinder to make my own
[16:44:11] <zeeshan|2> yea this green one
[16:44:19] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: honestly no point
[16:44:22] <zeeshan|2> lmb2008 is so cheap
[16:44:26] <[cube]> yep looks about the same size
[16:44:39] <zeeshan|2> im still deciding if i should keep it
[16:44:41] <zeeshan|2> or sell it
[16:44:43] <[cube]> the depth limiter switch ilooks identical
[16:44:44] <zeeshan|2> *resell
[16:44:50] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: for custom sizes
[16:44:59] <G0704> so what to do?
[16:45:00] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: he can get you custom sizes
[16:45:11] <zeeshan|2> and i modified the ball screw on the lathe
[16:45:22] <zeeshan|2> without a grinder.. i used a carbide bit
[16:45:28] <[cube]> is that autofeed on the left?
[16:45:29] <zeeshan|2> carbide will eat into anything less than 55~ Rc
[16:45:33] <zeeshan|2> yea cube
[16:45:43] <[cube]> not bad
[16:46:05] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: too long a lead time, and I do mostly custom
[16:46:28] <zeeshan|2> ah i see
[16:46:37] <[cube]> loojks like he was doing some woodwork on that
[16:46:48] <MrHindsight> rockford ballscrew is a 1 hr drive for me
[16:47:12] <MrHindsight> same for Pacific bearing
[16:48:32] <G0704> I'm from NY
[16:49:15] <G0704> someone know about good place here?
[16:51:41] <zeeshan|2> [cube]: how to fit this lathe
[16:51:43] <zeeshan|2> in my GARAGE!!
[16:51:53] <zeeshan|2> it would be a lot easier if could figure out where to put the cnc lathe
[16:51:59] <zeeshan|2> theres no room :-(
[16:52:43] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/in/photostream/
[16:52:45] <zeeshan|2> if i can get his
[16:52:50] <zeeshan|2> i will be the happiest person in the world!
[16:53:40] <MrHindsight> whats the asking price?
[16:53:42] <G0704> what a monster!
[16:53:44] <zeeshan|2> 300$
[16:53:51] <zeeshan|2> i went and saw it
[16:53:53] <zeeshan|2> and its in working condition
[16:54:02] <MrHindsight> sounds about right
[16:54:08] <zeeshan|2> no way
[16:54:12] <zeeshan|2> check out monarch 18c online
[16:54:18] <MrHindsight> I come across those for free if you remove it please
[16:54:18] <zeeshan|2> they go for 5000+
[16:54:27] <[cube]> dude
[16:54:32] <[cube]> i'd bite the bullet on moving costs
[16:54:34] <G0704> 300 for the lathe??
[16:54:35] <[cube]> if its $300
[16:54:35] <[cube]> lol
[16:54:43] <zeeshan|2> i found a rigger
[16:54:45] <zeeshan|2> that will do it for 500
[16:54:52] <[cube]> hell I'd cash advance a credit card
[16:54:53] <zeeshan|2> but now i need to figure out how to make space in garagfe
[16:55:01] <zeeshan|2> the cnc lathe is in the way
[16:55:17] <[cube]> yeah
[16:55:31] <[cube]> time for a bigger house :)
[16:55:55] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARNER-SWASEY-SQUARE-HEAD-RAM-TYPE-TURRET-LATHE-4-/321629995445 also these for <$500
[16:57:10] <MrHindsight> wait a few more weeks, everyone tends to clean house in late winter
[16:57:47] <G0704> why you need something that big??
[16:57:59] <G0704> at home..
[16:59:40] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: whats the distance between centers?
[17:01:37] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-ZL-15sm-CNC-Lathe-5-Axis-Mach-Emc2-Ballscrews-Sub-Spindel-Turret-/111303099086 says EMC2 in the title but all the motor are missing
[17:01:59] <MrHindsight> dream on for $4500
[17:04:44] <SpeedEvil> [cube]: simply fit an appropriate frame to the inside, and then at night, jack it up 8cm and add a row of bricks. Do this once every 2 weeks.
[17:08:10] <zeeshan|2> i took some pictures for you guys
[17:08:21] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: 72"
[17:08:40] <XXCoder1> geez it looks like maze lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzDM7xi-fQ
[17:09:03] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16001280848/
[17:09:06] <zeeshan|2> holy shit my garage is a mess
[17:09:18] <zeeshan|2> the lathe im looking to buy
[17:09:24] <zeeshan|2> would fit where my cnc lathe is and bead roller is
[17:09:34] <zeeshan|2> and i'd move the welding table a little bit to make the 122" i need
[17:10:30] <MrHindsight> you didn't paint the walls pearl white?
[17:11:59] <zeeshan|2> HRmmm
[17:12:00] <Tom_itx> it would be alot lighter in there if you did
[17:12:01] <zeeshan|2> what to do what to do !
[17:12:11] <zeeshan|2> guys i dont care what the walls look like
[17:12:11] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:12:15] <zeeshan|2> i just want MACHINES!!!!
[17:12:15] <zeeshan|2> :D
[17:12:25] <zeeshan|2> my only decoration is the moose
[17:12:27] <MrHindsight> heh, how did the lath conversion turn out?
[17:12:28] <Tom_itx> i'm just saying...
[17:12:29] <zeeshan|2> representing my loe for canada
[17:12:33] <zeeshan|2> *love
[17:12:38] <MrHindsight> lathe even
[17:12:44] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: it works awesome!
[17:13:03] <zeeshan|2> im impressed by how well it can hold half a thou
[17:13:09] <zeeshan|2> with a little bit of tinkering
[17:13:25] <zeeshan|2> surface finish is good on it too
[17:13:33] <zeeshan|2> the only thing is the spindle bore is small for what i do
[17:13:42] <zeeshan|2> which is mostly why i want that big lathe
[17:13:49] <zeeshan|2> its got a 3-1/2" spindle bore
[17:13:56] <jdh> I'll give you us$965/shipped for your lathe
[17:14:08] <zeeshan|2> im not selling it for less than 2500
[17:14:16] <zeeshan|2> is there an easy way to move it to my basement? :/
[17:14:30] <jdh> what's a basement
[17:14:43] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[17:14:51] <zeeshan|2> don't have basements there?
[17:15:02] <jdh> I've heard there are a few places that have them.
[17:15:30] <jdh> no hills, just above sea level
[17:15:42] <zeeshan|2> im like 500 m above sea lever
[17:15:46] <MrHindsight> just places where the ground freezes
[17:15:53] <zeeshan|2> 1640 feet
[17:16:08] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: is that the reason?
[17:16:10] <zeeshan|2> i didnt know that
[17:16:11] <Tom_itx> 1170 here
[17:16:42] <zeeshan|2> ps i took that pic with no shirt on
[17:16:43] <MrHindsight> zeeshan|2: the foundations are dug to below the frost line
[17:16:55] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i know that :P
[17:17:04] <zeeshan|2> but i thought only the footings had to be?
[17:17:14] <zeeshan|2> why make a basement when you can just run footings around the house?
[17:17:20] <MrHindsight> but while you're down there, make room
[17:17:34] <zeeshan|2> but if youre making footings only you just need a trench
[17:17:39] <zeeshan|2> rather than digging all that area out?
[17:17:51] <zeeshan|2> im not doubting what you have to say, i just want to know a solid reason when someone asks :)
[17:17:56] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/1.jpg
[17:17:57] <Tom_itx> i did
[17:17:58] <zeeshan|2> i'm no civil
[17:18:06] <MrHindsight> it's so that you can add an extra 1K sq ft that goes untaxed to your living space
[17:18:21] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: thats bad ass
[17:18:29] <zeeshan|2> i wish i had that.
[17:18:34] <zeeshan|2> would be so easy to move stuff to the basmenet
[17:18:37] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/6.jpg
[17:18:37] <Jymmm> Heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YDFf4f6Z0vg#t=407
[17:18:42] <Tom_itx> dug it all out
[17:18:49] <zeeshan|2> that is hardcore
[17:19:00] <zeeshan|2> MrHindsight: i should dig out my entire back yard
[17:19:03] <zeeshan|2> puit a bomb shelter
[17:19:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ...by hand, with a spoon,
[17:19:10] <zeeshan|2> cover it back with soil. and move all the garage stuff inthere :-)
[17:19:25] <XXCoder1> nah just build house underground
[17:19:25] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, spoon
[17:19:26] <jdh> woudl flood here
[17:19:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ...ignore the bowing of the floor above "it's fine"
[17:19:32] <XXCoder1> massive savings on heat costs
[17:19:35] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/7.jpg
[17:19:50] <Tom_itx> it was winter too
[17:20:06] <Tom_itx> i wired the furnace in the middle of the kitchen
[17:20:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: did you water/moisture proof the walls?
[17:20:30] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/9.jpg
[17:20:32] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:20:36] <Jymmm> with?
[17:20:43] <Tom_itx> drain tile and plastic
[17:20:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: nothing spray on?
[17:21:05] <Tom_itx> you can't spray on if the soil is the form
[17:21:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: that soil below the coder blocks? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/7.jpg
[17:21:45] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/8.jpg
[17:21:48] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:21:54] <Jymmm> cider blocks
[17:21:58] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:22:07] <Jymmm> not concrete wall?
[17:22:14] <Tom_itx> there were posts put uner the exhisting foundation
[17:22:24] <Tom_itx> then rebar put into it to the new pour
[17:22:41] <Tom_itx> and the posts were buried in cement
[17:22:59] <Tom_itx> with large rocks under each one as a 'footing'
[17:23:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what did you dig it out with?
[17:23:07] <Tom_itx> a spoon
[17:23:12] <Jymmm> serious;y
[17:23:26] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/2.jpg
[17:23:44] <zeeshan|2> im sure someone in here has moved a lathe
[17:23:46] <zeeshan|2> down a buncha stairs?
[17:23:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: amfuckbicous project
[17:23:58] <[cube]> i'll be doing that in a couple weeks
[17:24:09] <Tom_itx> i paid someone to do the walls and floor
[17:24:10] <[cube]> witha mid sized craftex
[17:24:13] <Tom_itx> i did all the rest
[17:24:18] <[cube]> going to slide it down
[17:24:27] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: only ONCE, then after that said "fuck this shit, never again"
[17:24:34] <[cube]> with an anchor in the wall at top of stairs
[17:24:37] <Tom_itx> including tearing off the back of the house to square off that corner
[17:24:39] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: let me guess it will get sold with the house?
[17:24:42] <zeeshan|2> never coming back up? :D haha
[17:24:50] <Tom_itx> rebuilt the whole rear of the house
[17:25:03] <zeeshan|2> cube how much does it weigh
[17:25:09] <[cube]> 400kg i think
[17:25:13] <zeeshan|2> 800lb
[17:25:15] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: "Built in workshop and tooling included with listing"
[17:25:15] <[cube]> hopefully it'll be in a crate
[17:25:16] <zeeshan|2> mines about 1200~
[17:25:21] <zeeshan|2> so not too far off.
[17:25:31] <SpeedEvil> Dammit - here is where I wish I'd bookmarked stuff.
[17:25:37] <SpeedEvil> Some nutter excavated a basement.
[17:25:40] <SpeedEvil> Using r/c toys
[17:26:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: seriously man, that is/was one hell of a project there.
[17:26:07] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/11.jpg
[17:26:10] <Tom_itx> walls in
[17:26:18] <Tom_itx> all that's left is the final floor pour
[17:26:25] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGzgBvkz09Y
[17:26:25] <Tom_itx> the floor is ~8" thick
[17:26:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: why are these photos so tiny?
[17:26:52] <Tom_itx> i copied them from film
[17:27:05] <Jymmm> so?
[17:27:17] <Tom_itx> want em smaller?
[17:27:20] <zeeshan|2> cube
[17:27:23] <zeeshan|2> youre gonna rip the stud out of the wall
[17:27:24] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:27:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you copied tham at 320x200? I don't thik so =)
[17:28:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Did you run sewer down there?
[17:28:01] <[cube]> im sure you all remember this guy
[17:28:02] <[cube]> http://coolmaterial.com/roundup/man-builds-a-lamborghini-in-his-basement/
[17:28:25] <zeeshan|2> haha yea
[17:28:27] <zeeshan|2> he ripped hie wall out
[17:28:50] <zeeshan|2> i dont understand if youre gonna do ALL that custom work
[17:28:57] <zeeshan|2> what the hell is the point of copying a lambo?
[17:29:05] <zeeshan|2> you should make your own fancy custom design
[17:29:38] <Jymmm> He had 17 years to kill, who cares
[17:29:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=about_this_project - better class of nutter
[17:30:15] <SpeedEvil> 1/4 scale F1 engine
[17:30:48] * zeeshan|2 goes back in depressed mode
[17:31:05] * zeeshan|2 's reality sinks in, that lathe is not going to be mine :-(
[17:31:52] * Jymmm pats zeeshan|2 on the back and hands hima ber
[17:32:08] <Jymmm> beer
[17:32:08] <the_wench> I am not your waitress!
[17:32:15] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[17:32:27] <Jymmm> wench, an ale!
[17:32:53] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of selling my lathe
[17:32:56] <zeeshan|2> but i like it too much to sell it
[17:33:21] <zeeshan|2> maybe one day there will be a 1000 cnc lathe avaiable
[17:33:23] <zeeshan|2> and i can sell it :/
[17:33:26] <zeeshan|2> $
[17:33:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Minitype-C2-mini-lathe-CJ9518-C2-Household-lathe-multi-function-CNC-lathe/835059_1500356261.html
[17:34:30] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: not that small
[17:34:36] <zeeshan|2> a real one :P
[17:34:41] <zeeshan|2> slant bed
[17:34:52] <zeeshan|2> and not that tormach nonsense
[17:35:03] <zeeshan|2> it doesnt have much c-c distance
[17:35:12] <SpeedEvil> I used to have a slant-bed.
[17:35:16] <SpeedEvil> I kept falling out.
[17:35:21] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:36:15] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: You need two of them side by side
[17:36:29] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: then you'll roll to the middle and not fall out
[17:36:38] <SpeedEvil> If properly setup
[17:37:00] <Jymmm> and a lion pit below
[17:39:27] <Tom_itx> Jymmm yes the basement is plummed
[17:39:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ok, how does shit go up hill?
[17:39:44] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: all your machines are in the basement?
[17:39:50] <Tom_itx> waste pump
[17:40:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: if the pump fails?
[17:40:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, no none are
[17:40:13] <Tom_itx> then you go upstairs
[17:40:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: seawage flood?
[17:40:29] <Tom_itx> never
[17:40:40] <Tom_itx> it backs up in the tub first
[17:40:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: if the pump failed that is
[17:40:48] <Tom_itx> then you know it's time to fix the switch
[17:40:51] <zeeshan|2> oh
[17:41:04] <Tom_itx> there's a sump beside the waste pump too
[17:41:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No, seriously, I'm asking what would happen if you were away for two weeks and it failed
[17:41:31] <Tom_itx> i shut things off to prevent that
[17:41:38] <Jymmm> if you forgot
[17:41:56] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/10.jpg
[17:42:01] <Tom_itx> there's the bathroom roughin
[17:42:26] <Jymmm> nm
[17:43:45] <Tom_itx> it's been there probably 20 yrs with no issue
[17:48:37] <Jymmm> Could I combine all three outputs to get a single 75W to one LED ? http://www.dxsoul.com//product/full-color-rgb-led-strip-driver-module-for-arduino-blue-black-901314667
[17:49:14] <Jymmm> assuming proper heatsinks. but I mena combine the output of all three to get 75W
[17:50:00] <Tom_itx> it's not a good idea
[17:50:06] <Jymmm> why?
[17:50:43] <Tom_itx> one will try to drive harder than the other two
[17:50:55] <Jymmm> ah
[17:51:15] <SpeedEvil> For the intended application, it's just fine
[17:51:19] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't trust cheap chinese shit to perform to spec anyway
[17:51:22] <SpeedEvil> these are not voltage regulators
[17:51:33] <SpeedEvil> They are PWM switches
[17:51:42] <Tom_itx> are those mosfets or regulators?
[17:51:42] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: yep
[17:51:47] <SpeedEvil> And MOSFETs parallel well
[17:51:48] <Tom_itx> you can parallel mosfets
[17:52:09] <Tom_itx> i didn't read the description... i thought those were linear regs
[17:52:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No, not regs
[17:52:51] <Tom_itx> ideally you want the gates to have the same drive
[17:53:10] <SpeedEvil> yeah - you do not want a load that requires all FETs on
[17:53:17] <SpeedEvil> And have only one on
[17:53:34] <Tom_itx> which that doesn't do i think
[17:53:46] <Jymmm> P3055LDG
[17:53:51] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: do you repair electronics?
[17:53:52] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:53:58] <Tom_itx> some
[17:54:01] <Tom_itx> not alot
[17:54:04] <zeeshan|2> repair my speed selector!
[17:54:07] <zeeshan|2> i bet you'd know how to
[17:54:16] <Jymmm> N-Channel Logic Level Enhancement Mode Field Effect Transistor
[17:54:19] <zeeshan|2> it has no instructions for pinouts though
[17:54:24] <zeeshan|2> which is how i burned it to begin with
[17:54:29] <Jymmm> V 25, I 12A
[17:54:35] <Tom_itx> you find the data sheet for the chips zeeshan|2
[17:54:44] <zeeshan|2> yea i have all the datasheets
[17:54:52] <zeeshan|2> but no instructions for the pinouts
[17:54:52] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, n channel are used because they are easy to drive with logic
[17:54:56] <Tom_itx> P channel aren't
[17:55:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: So can I combine for 75W ?
[17:55:25] <Tom_itx> i don't think i would with that device
[17:55:42] <Tom_itx> the gates aren't parallel'd
[17:56:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/techxchange/message/9251
[17:58:06] <SpeedEvil> The above is in fact a digitally addressible 3 colour LED driver
[17:58:27] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Yes, and your point it?
[17:58:36] <Tom_itx> separate drive channels
[17:58:48] <Tom_itx> they are not balanced
[17:58:53] <SpeedEvil> It's connected to a digital bus, with in-out that you daisy chain to more boards in a sequence
[17:58:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 256 bit of RGB
[17:59:14] <SpeedEvil> Each one does progtrammable 3*255 bit PWM
[17:59:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Vgs says 1.2V, I could easily check verify that
[17:59:48] <Tom_itx> did you read the digikey thing?
[17:59:49] <SpeedEvil> Vgs(th) is the current at whihc it passes 0.25mA typically
[18:00:00] <Tom_itx> even there you need balance resistors
[18:00:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yes, that's how I know about the Vgs
[18:00:05] <Tom_itx> for best results
[18:00:24] <SpeedEvil> If I was using that for switching all three, I would simply remove two of the gate resistors, and wire all three gates in parallel
[18:00:40] <SpeedEvil> You do not need ballast resistors.
[18:00:43] <Tom_itx> that would probably work
[18:00:57] <SpeedEvil> The intended use is for LEDs with resistors already there
[18:01:29] <Jymmm> 12V LED strips
[18:01:34] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:01:46] <SpeedEvil> This is ideal for _really_ big projects
[18:01:57] <Tom_itx> the ballast resistors balance the rdson from part to part
[18:02:10] <Tom_itx> they're probably optional
[18:02:48] <SpeedEvil> In this particular app, they are basically irrelevant.
[18:03:02] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:03:04] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm programming my own patterns in ardunio, and i have a 20W LEd on it's way,
[18:03:09] <SpeedEvil> This is because when fully turned on, the transistor has so little heatsinking that the losses in each transistor are basically the same.
[18:03:16] <SpeedEvil> Before it melts
[18:03:28] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I did say PROPER heatsinking =)
[18:03:50] * Jymmm looks over at the bottle of mineral oil
[18:03:50] <SpeedEvil> (it should not need heatsinking)
[18:03:51] <Tom_itx> the leads will fuse before the part fails on alot of high power MOSFETS
[18:04:05] <Tom_itx> that's the funny thing
[18:04:14] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: it's china crap, of course it needs heatsinking =)
[18:04:25] <Tom_itx> 50A mosfet in a TO220 case
[18:04:50] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: If the FETs are to spec, it probably actually doesn't
[18:04:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: for $7, I'm not gonna bitch about it too much
[18:05:15] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: http://www.cheertech.com.tw/Niko-sem/Data%20sheet%5CP3055LDG.pdf
[18:05:47] <Jymmm> 8A @ 100C
[18:05:56] <Jymmm> 12A @ 25C
[18:06:12] <Jymmm> Ohhhhhhhhh 45A pulsed =)
[18:06:50] <Jymmm> 20W @ 100C disapation =(
[18:06:50] <SpeedEvil> Worst-case at 5V supply with 12A load is 120mohm
[18:07:07] <SpeedEvil> If you're using 12V LEDs, and doing 25W per, that's 2A
[18:07:21] <SpeedEvil> 2A*.1R = .2V = .2W or so per FET
[18:07:57] <Jymmm> I want to pump in 45A to an LED for 10mS
[18:07:59] <SpeedEvil> That's actually within the 'junction to ambient' spec.
[18:08:28] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, your TV remote is overdrive the same way
[18:08:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Cool
[18:09:34] <Jymmm> I'm just not sure how to sove 45A down the throat of an LEd though
[18:09:38] <Jymmm> shove*
[18:09:39] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: why
[18:09:43] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: and what LED
[18:10:08] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: burst brightness
[18:10:14] <SpeedEvil> Overdriving - even for very short pulses - at more than ~10-20* is going to fry it
[18:10:37] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: have you tried it?
[18:12:49] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: I know the physics, and looked into it more for an LED flash thing
[18:13:04] <Jymmm> My main issue is not having a scope and not abele to verify the timings
[18:13:11] <SpeedEvil> 10ms is probably too long to overdrive at 20*
[18:13:25] <Jymmm> Fine, 5mS, whatever
[18:13:28] <SpeedEvil> The above FET is poorly verified
[18:13:30] <SpeedEvil> err
[18:13:32] <SpeedEvil> specified
[18:13:41] <SpeedEvil> It does not have a any real data over 10A
[18:13:55] <Jymmm> can be pulsed at 45A it says
[18:13:57] <Rab> Jymmm, the datasheet for your LED part should have a figure for absolute maximum instantaneous current; and dissipation figures so you can calculate pulse current vs duration.
[18:14:18] <SpeedEvil> Rab: he's overdriving them
[18:14:39] <Rab> Oh heh, wishing good luck.
[18:15:27] <Jymmm> This is (basically) a digital flash bang. Only needs to last 6 seconds
[18:15:37] <Jymmm> at the very most
[18:16:13] <Jymmm> as an experiment
[18:16:40] <Jymmm> just want the maxium amount of light I can suck out of it
[18:16:41] <Rab> Rotate between multiple LEDs to significantly decrease duty cycle. ^_^
[18:16:51] <somenewguy> SpeedEvil: I think the dudethat excavated his basement w/ maybe even homemade RC tonkas was a scandanavian
[18:16:53] <somenewguy> or canadian
[18:16:55] <somenewguy> something cold
[18:17:08] <Jymmm> Rab: three in a triangle configuration
[18:17:34] <Jymmm> for a full 360 deg burst
[18:17:53] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Theamount of light you can get out - total- with pulses -is much less than you can get out continuous over a period of 6s
[18:18:42] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I understand what you're saying, but I've heard otherwise as well.
[18:18:57] <SpeedEvil> The total magnitude of light output by each pulse is lower
[18:19:18] <SpeedEvil> But - since about 15 years ago - LEDs produce less, not more total light output if you pulse them.
[18:19:27] <SpeedEvil> It was true - for very, very old LEDs.
[18:19:48] <Jymmm> sure, at rated amperage, not being overdriven.
[18:20:04] <SpeedEvil> No, being overdriven
[18:20:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: got somethign I can read on the results of what they did?
[18:20:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED%20Components%20and%20Modules/XLamp/XLamp%20Application%20Notes/XLampPulsedCurrent.pdf
[18:20:56] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vela/vela-one-the-worlds-first-high-speed-led-flash#
[18:21:32] <SpeedEvil> This uses 10 10W LEDs, run at 200W each for several microseconds.
[18:21:36] <XXCoder1> hm I cant figure what that black gel is https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k0b7miN6suY#t=111
[18:21:42] <XXCoder1> pause video after click see it
[18:22:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: in the first link looks liek the failure was at the wire bond to the die
[18:23:26] <SpeedEvil> You can pulse an LED hard once. When this is happening, the heat is all generated at teh junction. It then has a large mass of cold LED material 1um away from it. The heat can dissipate out to this _really_ fast.
[18:23:44] <SpeedEvil> When considering pulses, you don't care at all about the temperature of the rest of the system.
[18:24:08] <SpeedEvil> Only the temperature of that tiny bit of LED just next to the junction. That is what is providing your heatsink.
[18:24:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I could drop it in mineral oil
[18:24:19] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't matter at all.
[18:24:44] <Jymmm> Fine, LN2 =)
[18:24:48] <SpeedEvil> The heat goes nowhere in the time between pulses. It takes most of a second to get out of the LED.
[18:25:37] <SpeedEvil> But the relevant graph in the above pdf is fig 2. Relative lightoutput per forward current
[18:26:16] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It's just a test of cheap china stuff.
[18:26:27] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Fig 2 is XLam XP-c....
[18:26:36] <SpeedEvil> At 1.5* nominal current -even at tiny pulses - 5% - you're at about half the efficiency
[18:27:09] <SpeedEvil> ^7 times
[18:27:22] <SpeedEvil> 5 times. Ican't math.
[18:27:27] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm considering using 20-100W COB LEDs
[18:28:09] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: That's 10-50 dies per "LED"
[18:28:13] <SpeedEvil> Right. If you pulse a 100W LED to 1000W for 10% of the time (neglecting the extra heating) - the total light output will be perhaps 30% of nominal.
[18:28:25] <SpeedEvil> Despite having the same current * time.
[18:28:43] <SpeedEvil> This doesnot quite mean it doesn't appear as bright or more distracting - as the eye does wierd stuff.
[18:28:57] <XXCoder1> you mean POV?
[18:29:00] <SpeedEvil> Get lots of 1W LEDs of a similar style, and play with them 10* closer to your eye.
[18:29:02] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of.
[18:29:03] <XXCoder1> presitance of vision
[18:29:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Primary goal is the perceived light to the eye, not measured by test equipment
[18:29:49] <SpeedEvil> The percieved brightness for a non-flashing light is basically a pure integration.
[18:29:53] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Like I said a digital flash bang.
[18:30:02] <SpeedEvil> For flashing - it's somewhat different.
[18:30:29] <SpeedEvil> Isuspect you're always going to want to put all the light up front in practice - as then you rapidly bleach and hit adaption
[18:31:02] <Jymmm> I doubt I could get much more than 1 to 3 pulses before I fry the led
[18:31:16] <Jymmm> so make each pulse count
[18:31:27] <SpeedEvil> Try it with 1W LEDs first.
[18:31:43] <SpeedEvil> And just put it 10* closer to you than the 100W ones. For exactly the same effect
[18:32:01] <Jymmm> with the 20W COB, I have multiple dies though, so the overdriven amperage would be distributed
[18:32:31] <SpeedEvil> Distributed doesn't actually help - what you care about is amps/mm^2 of LED die
[18:32:36] <Jymmm> plus has the advantage of being "flood"
[18:33:11] <Jymmm> but the mm/mm^2 is dividied by the qty of dies per Total amps
[18:33:13] <SpeedEvil> One die will have exactly the same response as a thousand - as a function of overdrie
[18:33:36] <SpeedEvil> And you can exactly predict the response of large arrays from one LED
[18:33:40] <Jymmm> Well, the 20W cob is only $4 USD
[18:34:39] <Jymmm> I could creep it up from nominal and see what I get
[18:34:46] <SpeedEvil> Fun fact.
[18:34:56] <Jymmm> playing with pulse rates, widths, etc
[18:35:14] <SpeedEvil> ~50mm in diameter of closely packed good cree LEDs can emit the same amount of light as one square meter of window
[18:35:22] <SpeedEvil> - without being overdriven at all
[18:35:25] <SpeedEvil> ^sunlit
[18:35:37] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder1: did you figur eout the black gel?
[18:35:42] <XXCoder1> yeah
[18:35:46] <zeeshan|2> its rtv :P
[18:35:51] <XXCoder1> yep
[18:35:56] <zeeshan|2> use the one rated for water pumps
[18:35:58] <zeeshan|2> its usually blue
[18:36:09] <zeeshan|2> that black one is higher performance for oil stuff
[18:36:10] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: and the COST of those leds?
[18:36:22] <XXCoder1> oh it constantly contacts water. its fine to use not water rated stuff. :P
[18:36:24] <SpeedEvil> $400ish
[18:36:33] <Jymmm> lol
[18:36:46] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I think I'll stick for $4 crap for now =)
[18:36:48] <zeeshan|2> http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-water-pump-thermostat-rtv-silicone-gasket-detail
[18:36:51] <zeeshan|2> this one XXCoder1
[18:36:58] <SpeedEvil> Done right, it could be an actually tactical light.
[18:36:59] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: This is ghetto digital flash bang baby =)
[18:36:59] <zeeshan|2> ive noticed with the regular rtv over time
[18:37:01] <zeeshan|2> you get residue.
[18:37:03] <zeeshan|2> of coolant
[18:37:16] <XXCoder1> I know. I already has amazon site pointing to that exact same product :)
[18:37:25] <zeeshan|2> ok just trying to help.,
[18:37:26] <SpeedEvil> If you point it accurately at someone, within say 2m - you can hit them with 10* as much light as the sun
[18:37:41] <SpeedEvil> s/accurate/vaguely/
[18:37:41] <zeeshan|2> i shouldn't bother anymore :)
[18:37:56] <XXCoder1> when you asked that I figured out, I said yes and meant it :)
[18:38:10] <zeeshan|2> well if you think that black one is good
[18:38:11] <zeeshan|2> for water pumps
[18:38:11] <XXCoder1> just considering if buy 1 or 2
[18:38:12] <zeeshan|2> youre wrong.
[18:38:13] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: This is ~6" long, thrown at soeones
[18:38:19] <zeeshan|2> thats why i asked to begin with
[18:38:30] <XXCoder1> thanks though
[18:38:38] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: with soem creative triggering as well =)
[18:39:05] <XXCoder1> Permatex 22071 Water Pump and Thermostat RTV Silicone Gasket, 0.5 oz. - wonder if .5 oz is enough. pretty small pump though
[18:39:26] <XXCoder1> this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ZMYGLW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[18:39:39] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: But, I wil build a strobe before the flash bang
[18:39:46] <zeeshan|2> you dont need rtv for that pump
[18:39:50] <zeeshan|2> it says it comes with gaskets..
[18:40:09] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: strobe/tactical light for flooding the area
[18:40:14] <XXCoder1> interesting
[18:40:21] <XXCoder1> "All gaskets or seals necessary for installation are supplied with pump"
[18:40:28] <zeeshan|2> most new pumps are like that
[18:40:38] <zeeshan|2> modern cars i mean
[18:40:42] <XXCoder1> 1998 is pretty modern
[18:40:48] <zeeshan|2> yea after obd 2
[18:40:52] <zeeshan|2> er i mean obd1
[18:40:55] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I just need to find impact resistant clear semi-rigid tubing
[18:40:56] <XXCoder1> yeah
[18:41:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: which I think I have in 8ft lengths
[18:41:28] <XXCoder1> my older van 1996 has obd2 too. think 1996 is year where some vehicles has and some dont. my friend's ford truck definitely didnt
[18:42:01] <Jymmm> 1996 and up is ODB2
[18:42:07] <XXCoder1> some
[18:42:15] <Jymmm> well cutover year
[18:42:18] <XXCoder1> like I said my friends truck is 1996 and has odb1
[18:42:39] <Jymmm> check the onth of mfr
[18:42:42] <Jymmm> month
[18:42:59] <Jymmm> Sep 1995 I'd suspect
[18:43:06] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm is right
[18:43:10] <zeeshan|2> if it was manufactured jan 1 1996
[18:43:11] <jac> hello linuxcnc gurus, i have a question wrt to JA3, will it be merged in for the 2.7 release ? or are there any plans to bring it up to date with master ?
[18:43:13] <zeeshan|2> it has to be obd1
[18:43:15] <zeeshan|2> obd2 i mean
[18:44:02] <XXCoder1> interesting. I guess it means my van is post jan 1996 (or factory made switch before deadline) while friend truck didnt
[18:44:03] <Jymmm> Sep-Dec is "model year", but I think the law said calendar year (Jan 96)
[18:44:35] <XXCoder1> learned something new, thanks guys
[18:44:50] <zeeshan|2> are you doing a water pump change
[18:45:36] <XXCoder1> yeah
[18:45:50] <zeeshan|2> i hate coolant man
[18:45:52] <XXCoder1> I did rest of repaids myself. only one I can't is p1744 code of doom
[18:45:58] <XXCoder1> *repairs
[18:46:23] <XXCoder1> its for my neice, she wont drive in freeways much so code of doom wont hit it
[18:47:04] <zeeshan|2> ive never worked on automatic transmissions
[18:47:06] <zeeshan|2> they scare me :P
[18:47:19] <XXCoder1> its $10 part inside the car too
[18:47:24] <XXCoder1> labor is insane
[18:47:29] <XXCoder1> $1500 or so
[18:47:36] <zeeshan|2> http://www.jimjenningstransmissions.com/shops/14/faq532.JPG
[18:47:42] <zeeshan|2> when i saw that for the first time in real life
[18:47:47] <zeeshan|2> i said i'll never own an automatic :)
[18:47:52] <XXCoder1> lol
[18:47:54] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:47:54] <XXCoder1> maze
[18:48:29] <zeeshan|2> do they have to remove the entire trans to get to it?
[18:48:36] <zeeshan|2> and diassemble it?
[18:48:41] <XXCoder1> yeo
[18:48:57] <zeeshan|2> drive it till it blows :)
[18:49:25] <XXCoder1> yeah it's only problem after 50 mph and it fails to unlock
[18:50:43] <XXCoder1> some part inside troque transformer
[18:50:48] <[cube]> lol
[18:50:57] <[cube]> that a nice 'swept cut'
[18:51:05] <zeeshan|2> cube rofl
[18:51:13] <zeeshan|2> there you go another place to use sweep
[18:51:42] <[cube]> i see it being used mostly on threading
[18:51:52] <zeeshan|2> yea follows a helica path
[18:51:55] <[cube]> with spiral paths
[18:52:13] <XXCoder1> zeeshan|2: any other stuff suggestion to aid me on water pump?
[18:52:29] <XXCoder1> I think I need to buy toque wrench
[18:52:39] <zeeshan|2> nahh just do it by feel for the pump bolts
[18:52:41] <zeeshan|2> its not critical
[18:53:03] <zeeshan|2> when youre refilling the coolant
[18:53:11] <zeeshan|2> make sure you leave the cap off at the top most point of the coolant system
[18:53:12] <XXCoder1> unfortunately I dont know 'the feel' but I tend to just tighten it around as much as I had to loosen em
[18:53:23] <zeeshan|2> and let all the air bleed out (heaters on full warm, and blasting heat)
[18:53:38] <XXCoder1> I plan to just go to shop for refill
[18:53:40] <zeeshan|2> once the car reaches temperature, you'll see the coolant start to bubble
[18:53:48] <zeeshan|2> close thje cap
[18:53:54] <XXCoder1> my can isnt expecially sensive to lack of coolant, in least in cold days
[18:53:58] <zeeshan|2> if theres air in the ssytem, might have overheating issues
[18:54:08] <zeeshan|2> yea depends on the car
[18:54:12] <zeeshan|2> some are stupid sensitive to it
[18:54:23] <zeeshan|2> cause a stupid bubble will form and vapor lock the coolant system
[18:54:29] <XXCoder1> yeah. I drove it for days lol thankfully hose blew in cold weather!
[18:54:43] <XXCoder1> just refill with 3 or 4 bottles of water and drive
[18:55:02] <XXCoder1> by time im home its dry but fan kept it cool enough
[18:55:32] <XXCoder1> thankfully its fine now. slow leak off broken water pump.
[18:56:05] <zeeshan|2> ah
[18:59:30] <XXCoder1> curious if you live at extreme cold reguon
[18:59:41] <zeeshan|2> yea man
[18:59:47] <zeeshan|2> i used to live in ottawa for a while.. went down to -35 c there
[18:59:57] <zeeshan|2> -31 f
[19:00:10] <zeeshan|2> you know its frigging cold when the c value is almost equal to the f value
[19:00:11] <XXCoder1> interesting. how do you deal with cars and cold?
[19:00:20] <zeeshan|2> 75% coolant 25% water
[19:00:22] <XXCoder1> it is. -40 is where its same
[19:04:29] <XXCoder1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I8XD9E/ref=s9_simh_gw_p263_d0_i6 heh
[19:04:32] <XXCoder1> random browsing
[19:10:24] <XXCoder1> lol checked "random" and got this. http://amzn.to/1D4JZxJ
[19:10:39] <XXCoder1> now thats random :P
[19:21:48] <XXCoder1> zeeshan|2: worth it? http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-5876-Gasket-Scraper/dp/B003EB04VW/
[19:24:33] <XXCoder1> heh sometimes I just don't get amazon suggestion. "Oh I see you bought ford contour pump! You might want another water pumof r completely different car make and year!"
[19:26:14] <The_Ball> XXCoder1, haha at some point in your life you might, best to hammer it
[19:26:22] <XXCoder1> lol
[20:43:50] <furrywolf> progress! new brake caliper on one side, new brake hose on the other side.
[20:44:57] <furrywolf> I really wish I could find the previous mechanic to work on my car and beat him/her.
[20:45:16] <furrywolf> every single thing I've fixed is something they fixed.
[20:45:17] <XXCoder1> ow
[20:45:35] <XXCoder1> I remember one time brake mechanic installed brake backwards
[20:47:01] <furrywolf> this one installed the wrong brake rotors, which were a half inch thinner than the correct ones. this allowed the pads to simply fall out between the rotor and the mounts. they also routed the lines the wrong way, so they got chewed up on the tires... but that didn't matter, because once the pads fell out, the pistons overextended and got chewed up by the rotors...
[20:48:14] <mozmck> heh, it was a brake job kinda like that that started me doing almost all my own mechanic work
[20:48:27] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/whatpartdoesn%27tbelong.jpg oh, and it came like that. once the piston got chewed up it started spraying fluid out, so they did that...
[20:48:47] <XXCoder1> what the fuck?
[20:48:56] <mozmck> they were going to rebuild my diesel engine, but I did it myself after the brake job.
[20:49:03] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/whatpartdoesn%27tbelong2.jpg
[20:49:07] <XXCoder1> yeah probably 10 clamps inside
[20:50:05] <furrywolf> everything I've fixed on the car has been a result of such quality repairs. I suspect there wasn't even anything wrong before they fixed things.
[20:50:38] <mozmck> the clamps were to fix the leaks?
[20:50:53] <XXCoder1> "fix" sure
[20:51:02] <furrywolf> the piston had popped out of the caliper. the clamp was to pinch the line shut so the other three wheels would keep working.
[20:51:05] <mozmck> heh, who needs brakes anyhow!
[20:53:45] <furrywolf> the steering column was floppy when I got it... because they'd left out half the bolts. half the bellhousing bolts were missing too. the oil pressure gauge didn't work because they'd miswired it and burnt it out. the electric fans didn't work because of redneck tap splices. the clutch cable got chewed up by being misrouted around the steering shaft. etc, etc...
[20:54:14] <XXCoder1> been fixing stuff myself and it always works so far
[20:54:21] <XXCoder1> not sure how they screw up so bad.,
[20:54:56] <furrywolf> even little things... for example, the low fuel light didn't work because the bulb was missing from the gauge cluster. wtf?
[20:55:17] <XXCoder1> weird
[20:56:49] <Rab> furrywolf, it was probably moved to replace a more frequently used bulb.
[20:57:09] <furrywolf> quite possibly.
[20:58:27] <furrywolf> I suspect most of the repairs weren't even needed... like the new rotors. probably a crooked (in addition to incompetent) mechanic selling someone unneeded parts.
[20:59:25] <furrywolf> the only part of the front brakes that I didn't have to replace was the passenger side caliper. everything else is new... new rotors, new pads, new hoses, and one new caliper.
[20:59:34] <furrywolf> all because of incompetence by the last mechanic.
[21:00:51] <XXCoder1> ouch
[21:00:56] <furrywolf> the passenger side caliper had also hit the rotor, but I declared the damage to be cosmetic only. heh.
[21:02:09] <furrywolf> or, rather, "good enough!".
[21:08:14] <XXCoder1> heh well in least its not destroyed
[21:13:03] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: was this in fact a clown car, used by a circus?
[21:14:53] <furrywolf> no
[21:15:05] <furrywolf> sadly, repairs of this grade are common with mechanics...
[21:16:48] <XXCoder1> not in this area
[21:36:01] <furrywolf> ok, freecad has already pissed me off. the in-program help has to be loaded from their website. wtf?!
[21:36:07] <furrywolf> it doesn't operate without an internet connection!
[21:44:48] <XXCoder1> yeah
[21:44:55] <XXCoder1> try that when got no access :(
[21:46:09] <PetefromTn_> there is a forum for help as well as an IRC on freenode and I think you can elect to load the helpfile but I have not tried it.
[21:46:58] <furrywolf> there's no internet where my mill is.
[21:47:07] <furrywolf> hopefully only the help depends on internet...
[21:47:31] <XXCoder1> furrywolf: is mill in same house?
[21:48:16] <furrywolf> no
[21:48:27] <furrywolf> mill is in rental storage unit
[21:49:40] <XXCoder1> hmm yea
[21:49:48] <XXCoder1> is it less than mile away?
[21:49:55] <tjtr33> re freecad help http://yorik.uncreated.net/scripts/freecad011.pdf
[21:49:57] <tjtr33> its the chm file as pdf
[21:50:49] <furrywolf> it's less than a mile away, but it's also more than one hillside away. (i.e. no line of sight)
[21:51:43] <XXCoder1> yeah im out of ideas besides just geting another isp connection there heh
[21:51:48] <XXCoder1> can always do dialup
[21:52:00] <furrywolf> no cell coverage there either.
[21:52:14] <furrywolf> it's a storage place. you can't just order a phone line. lol
[21:52:20] <XXCoder1> indeed
[21:52:31] <XXCoder1> I recall magicjack
[21:52:43] <XXCoder1> its cell but then you already said no cell connection tjere
[21:59:46] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
[22:01:49] <The_Ball_Shed> furrywolf, could you run a cable to the nearest place where there is line of sight?
[22:02:33] <XXCoder1> or tree - with cannenta
[22:04:28] <furrywolf> it's a RENTAL STORAGE UNIT. I can't even put a nail in a wall, much less install cable, antennas, etc.
[22:05:01] <furrywolf> do they not have ministorage places where you people live? heh
[22:05:41] <XXCoder1> yah never menioned modifing storage itself though
[22:05:49] <PetefromTn_> sounds like you are screwed...if you can't run cables how the hell do you run the machine?
[22:05:53] <XXCoder1> unless its solid metal you could place cannenta inside
[22:06:03] <XXCoder1> the tree is in your own area
[22:06:15] <XXCoder1> if it can be high enough and you have to aim carefully
[22:07:58] <furrywolf> > it's less than a mile away, but it's also more than one hillside away. (i.e. no line of sight)
[22:08:28] <furrywolf> pete: there's an outlet on the front of the building every two storage units
[22:11:58] <tjtr33> communications = thumbdrive & bicycle sneakerpedalnet
[22:16:38] * furrywolf has motor vehicles
[22:19:26] <The_Ball_Shed> I had a cnc accident: https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=010af27c8a55cb15cffc35db87e5da27
[22:19:49] <The_Ball_Shed> damn quick g0
[22:20:13] <furrywolf> bah. I've already gotten myself stuck in freecad with no idea what to do next. I created a 2d part in the part designer. I then told it I was done editing it. it enabled the buttons for extruding it, etc... but clicking any of them tells me I need to create a 2d part first! it's busy showing the 2d part I just made!
[22:20:43] <Tom_itx> what's it for?
[22:21:21] <Tom_itx> did you highlite the frame before the extrude?
[22:21:50] <tjtr33> select it? hilight it, or lasso it,or choose from tree, or say it real loud
[22:22:25] <furrywolf> edit->select all doesn't help.
[22:22:49] <Tom_itx> i _could_ extrude it
[22:25:01] <tjtr33> is it asking a constraint to extrude 'to'?
[22:25:22] <furrywolf> ah-ha! now I got an error. "failed to validate broken face".
[22:25:35] <Tom_itx> not a closed drawing ehh?
[22:25:55] <tjtr33> sounds like its getting busy and not giving you a busy indication
[22:26:06] <furrywolf> it SHOULD be closed...
[22:26:27] * furrywolf deletes and starts over with something simpler
[22:26:35] <Tom_itx> aww
[22:29:43] <furrywolf> yay, I made a simple extrusion.
[22:30:01] <Tom_itx> now punch a hole thru the middle of it
[22:31:19] <furrywolf> I created a new sketch, the grid appears... but the second I try adding anything to it, the grid vanishes and nothing happens.
[22:33:10] <furrywolf> I'm getting the "this is an unfinished product and we might write proper error messages someday instead of failing silently" feeling with this program.
[22:33:47] <furrywolf> obviously something is failing. it shows the edit grid, snaps to it, etc... but the second you click, it just goes blank.
[22:34:13] <furrywolf> maybe I'm doing something wrong. it's quite likely. but it should DO SOMETHING, not just blank the window!
[22:35:19] <furrywolf> I deleted it and made another new sketch... now I can add things. what changed? as far as I know, nothing at all.
[22:36:00] <furrywolf> and now I have a hole in it.
[22:36:37] <Tom_itx> select another face and punch another hole
[22:37:30] <Tom_itx> how can solidworks add features relative to other features?
[22:37:41] <Tom_itx> instead of the origin
[22:39:42] <furrywolf> now I broke rendering and it's showing a bunch of constantly-changing overlapping triangles instead of the part.
[22:39:51] <furrywolf> it's pretty, but not useful.
[22:40:00] <Tom_itx> sounds like openscad
[22:40:10] <Tom_itx> stl files
[22:40:11] * SpeedEvil could probably now do that in blender.
[22:40:19] <SpeedEvil> After about 4 days.
[22:40:41] <furrywolf> openscad is buggy as fuck. I gave up making it not segfault when rendering.
[22:40:55] <Tom_itx> i quit using it after the first day
[22:41:02] <furrywolf> anything with non-trivial geometry either takes forever or caused a segv.
[22:41:06] <SpeedEvil> blender-recent has not crahed for me.
[22:42:06] <SpeedEvil> You can use it for 3d modeing - it is not terrible - but the problem is a _lot_ of the interface needs to go away if you don't want to make animated textured smooth objects.
[22:42:18] <Tom_itx> i just wish i had a decent pc
[22:42:27] <Tom_itx> amd 3200
[22:42:29] * furrywolf would much rather make animated textured furry objects, but lacks artistic skill
[22:43:21] <SpeedEvil> The above shed I have mentioned above has ony ~100 objects, and maybe 1800 faces, so it's not complex.
[22:44:22] <furrywolf> ok, now I have a part with two holes in it, in different sides. happy? :P
[22:44:30] <Tom_itx> no
[22:44:32] <Tom_itx> thread one
[22:44:33] <Tom_itx> :D
[22:44:40] <SpeedEvil> When finished, I'll end up with only perhaps 600/10000
[22:44:58] <furrywolf> the sketch editor seems really buggy... sometimes parts just stop working and I have to delete and start over. I have no idea why. it could well be something I'm doing, but it just fails instead of says anything.
[22:45:05] <SpeedEvil> More if I decide to do all the screws and plugs
[22:45:17] <furrywolf> for example, the last circle I created, it stopped letting me move the center. deleting and creating a new circle let me move the center. etc.
[22:45:26] <SpeedEvil> But that may be procrastination over actually cutting wood.
[22:45:36] <Tom_itx> it's free, what do you expect?
[22:46:37] <furrywolf> can't find any way to add threads...
[22:46:53] <Tom_itx> draw a profile and rotate it around a helix
[22:47:28] <furrywolf> that's excessive. I want to specify that there should be threads, not specify the geometry directly.
[22:47:49] <furrywolf> I'd probably be tapping them anyway.
[22:48:01] <Tom_itx> yeah, it's just an exercise...
[22:48:06] <Tom_itx> i tried it in SW
[22:48:17] <PetefromTn_> there is an add on that allows you to import 3d screws, bolts, nuts etc..
[22:48:22] <furrywolf> specifying the exact thread geometry would only be useful for machining them with a cutter, and only with some very powerful CAM software...
[22:48:50] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ i know but that wasn't the purpose of the exercicse
[22:49:33] <furrywolf> argh, now it's back to doing the vanish-entire-window-whenever-I-click-anything thing.
[22:49:57] <PetefromTn_> I have done the helix wrap thing too it works decently..
[22:51:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/reprap/Test_thread.jpg
[22:51:49] <PetefromTn_> helical cut rather... I thought it worked better than adding a helical triangular addition.
[22:51:57] <furrywolf> seems like if you have both a sketch and the part visible, it breaks.
[22:53:09] <furrywolf> hrmm. apparantly if you cut two pockets that happen to intersect... it removes them from the main part, then ADDS material for the intersection?! I want to subtract, not xor...
[22:53:20] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:53:59] <furrywolf> ... or not. I changed views and it went away. it was just a rendering glitch.
[22:54:42] <furrywolf> how do I cut a pocket out of a curved face? :P
[22:55:07] <Tom_itx> can you project the pocket onto the face?
[22:55:59] <Tom_itx> it depends how you need it defined
[22:59:02] <furrywolf> I can't seem to make revolutions work... even if I specify 360 degrees, it shows it as still a flat planar object.
[23:01:30] <furrywolf> I have a simple closed sketch only in one quadrant, just in case it requires that, and it still does absolutely nothing. no errors, no worky. again.
[23:02:40] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder1: that looks fancy
[23:02:48] <zeeshan|2> but i personally use this:
[23:03:02] <zeeshan|2> http://www.techniedge.com/products/images/46_TE05-091_thumb.jpg
[23:03:09] <zeeshan|2> i think a pack of them is like a buck?
[23:03:12] <zeeshan|2> at the dollar s tore
[23:03:18] <XXCoder1> lol yeah
[23:05:00] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15571410083/
[23:05:09] <zeeshan|2> anyone got a nice suggestion to wrap the wire bundles
[23:05:14] <zeeshan|2> i want them to be in 3 seperate looms
[23:05:16] <zeeshan|2> what to use?
[23:07:00] <XXCoder1> zip ties?
[23:07:12] <furrywolf> grrrr. now it's doing something weird/useless again, with no explanation. I added another feature, and now all my pockets stopped working.
[23:07:14] <zeeshan|2> http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/images/wireloom/NonSlitWireloom3.jpg
[23:07:18] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of something like that XXCoder1
[23:07:29] <zeeshan|2> but that stuff isn't really strong
[23:07:45] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control1.jpg
[23:07:51] <Tom_itx> use that expandable tubing
[23:07:53] <Tom_itx> mesh
[23:07:53] <furrywolf> it shows their outline, but doesn't subtract them. toggling their visibility makes it do the random triangles thing again.
[23:08:05] <zeeshan|2> hm
[23:08:09] <Tom_itx> like i used on the driver power
[23:08:10] <zeeshan|2> whered go you et that
[23:08:19] <Tom_itx> local
[23:08:21] <zeeshan|2> wow that wasn't even a sentence..
[23:08:24] <Tom_itx> i forget what it's called
[23:08:30] <zeeshan|2> expanding wire loom?
[23:08:53] <furrywolf> there's something seriously broken with visibility.
[23:09:15] <Rab> zeeshan|2, use the split loom with cable clamps in lieu of zip ties: http://www.cableclamp.com/
[23:09:36] <zeeshan|2> you think im rich
[23:09:42] <zeeshan|2> zip ties cost like 2 cents
[23:09:43] <zeeshan|2> =D
[23:10:10] <furrywolf> if I make my revolution vsibile, my unrelated pockets either vanish, or are replaced with random green triangles.
[23:10:35] <furrywolf> also, toggling the visibility of the second pocket makes the entire part appear and disappear, even unrelated parts of it.
[23:10:43] <furrywolf> not just the pocket.
[23:11:11] <Rab> zeeshan|2, the labor to cut and reapply them each time you want to change the wiring configuration isn't free.
[23:11:19] <zeeshan|2> rab i wont be cutting em again
[23:11:22] <zeeshan|2> just need to loom it up
[23:11:27] <Rab> zeeshan|2, that's what you think!
[23:11:30] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:11:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.zoro.com/i/G0243293/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kpid=G0243293&gclid=COCDqo7F-cICFYRFaQodfosA1w
[23:11:42] <Tom_itx> ebay it
[23:12:00] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i dont understand how that sleeving will get over my square connectors
[23:12:07] <zeeshan|2> is it really flexible?
[23:12:24] <Rab> It expands when compressed along its axis, like a chinese finger trap.
[23:12:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.zoro.com/g/Wrap%20for%20Welding/00121561/?category=7410
[23:12:30] <furrywolf> I used some of that woven loom stuff a bit ago on an air compressor's wiring... works well. not easy to modify later, however, I suspect.
[23:12:31] <zeeshan|2> OOOO
[23:12:32] <zeeshan|2> i like that!
[23:12:37] <Rab> I don't know if it will expand enough to clear the connectors.
[23:12:39] <zeeshan|2> that is BAD ASS!
[23:12:47] <zeeshan|2> rab ah
[23:13:08] <zeeshan|2> http://www.zoro.com/g/Pan-Wrap%20Split%20Harness%20Wrap/00105244/?category=7410
[23:13:10] <zeeshan|2> this is kind acool too
[23:13:29] <furrywolf> only $10/ft!
[23:13:46] <zeeshan|2> thats what i have on my welder
[23:13:51] <zeeshan|2> the velcro style
[23:14:38] <zeeshan|2> http://www.zoro.com/g/Sleeving%20-%20Self%20Wrap%20Braided/00121559/?category=7410
[23:14:43] <zeeshan|2> this looks similar to what you posted, but its split
[23:16:50] <furrywolf> zoro is generally quite overpriced.
[23:16:54] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/3d-printing/hybridized-3d-printed-part-combines-plastic-and-metal
[23:17:11] <furrywolf> and they spam ebay with every item they have, equally overpriced. this is enough to convince me not to do business with them.
[23:17:25] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[23:21:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linearmotiontips.com/zip-type-telescoping-actuators-help-specialty-applications/
[23:24:40] * furrywolf has several linear actuators with multiple nesting telescopic sections... in fact, most people with an old truck have at least one. they're screw jacks. :P
[23:27:17] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:27:48] <furrywolf> I've given up figuring out why making my revolution visible breaks the rest of the part, and am deciding freecad is not yet usable.
[23:28:03] <furrywolf> too many things randomly don't work, silently fail, etc.
[23:28:13] <furrywolf> and doing the same thing twice doesn't always do the same thing!
[23:29:16] <bobo_> zeeshan!2: On your mill - what is that stuff on the top of the movable arm that is for moving vertical head aside to use the horzinal spindle?
[23:31:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 it's pretty flexible but may not expand quite that much
[23:31:31] <Tom_itx> i put mine over the wires first
[23:31:42] <Tom_itx> only down side is the ends fray a bit
[23:32:54] <XXCoder1> "The pinworm egg, representing an undescribed or "new species," was named Paleoxyuriscockburni, in honor of Aidan Cockburn, founder of the Paleopathology Association."
[23:33:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, that link was an example... get it off ebay
[23:33:01] <XXCoder1> cock burn. jeez. lol
[23:33:43] <XXCoder1> name of that worm has "ur is cock burn"
[23:46:22] <zeeshan|2> yes Tom_itx
[23:47:07] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: what thing
[23:47:20] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15549651754/in/photostream/
[23:47:22] <zeeshan|2> are you talking about that pic?
[23:47:55] <bobo_> yes
[23:48:29] <zeeshan|2> the moveable arm i think was used for holding collets
[23:48:43] <zeeshan|2> or you know you might actually be RIGHT
[23:48:51] <bobo_> looks like a mouse on top
[23:48:51] <zeeshan|2> it is in the same level as the head.
[23:49:08] <zeeshan|2> maybe it is to go into horziontal mode
[23:49:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:49:28] <zeeshan|2> i jhust realize dthere is a happy face on my mill
[23:49:39] <zeeshan|2> gf musta done that when i wasnt looking
[23:50:01] <bobo_> for swinging the vert head aside
[23:50:13] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: i really think that might be the reason
[23:50:28] <zeeshan|2> its at the same height.
[23:52:08] <bobo_> so swing the vertical aside and get a picture of the horz spindle.
[23:53:43] <bobo_> might help figure what pull stud is needed by looking into horz spindle
[23:56:03] <zeeshan|2> or you could send me one of your tools
[23:56:04] <zeeshan|2> to try :-)
[23:59:23] <bobo_> please consider the vertical head is not lite tools ? think you mean pull stud . look upT.J.Davies #PS475 which may be Maho pull stud