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[01:32:37] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board-Speed-Adjustable-Remote-Control-/291333941873?tfrom=291333936286&tpos=bottom&ttype=price&talgo=undefined
[03:22:22] <Deejay> moin
[03:23:02] <Deejay> happy new year!
[06:39:43] * jthornton can't believe he stayed up till 1:30 this morning
[08:15:24] <Jymmm> Relay board
http://www.dxsoul.com/product/7034-16-channel-12v-relay-module-board-w-power-lm2576-light-coupling-protection-blue-901183372
[08:16:54] <Jymmm> TTL-to-RS-485
http://www.dxsoul.com/product/ttl-to-rs485-module-for-arduino-green-901163849
[08:17:14] <malcom2073> is dxsoul like dealxtreme?
[08:17:43] <Jymmm> Yes, but ships FROM the US
[08:18:03] <malcom2073> Oh neat
[08:18:22] <Jymmm> at slightly higher pricing than the HK variant
[08:49:40] <jthornton> is it just me or is linuxcnc.org not responding?
[08:52:57] <mrsun> doesnt seem to be responding here either
[08:53:31] <_methods> yeah the "hackers" were busy last night
[08:53:40] <_methods> i guess no one invited them out to any parties
[09:02:38] <The_Ball> jthornton, looks like the main page has been hacked
[09:02:48] <The_Ball> This works:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html
[09:02:54] <The_Ball> But
http://linuxcnc.org/ doesn't
[09:03:18] <The_Ball> Sorry, I take it back, it just loaded now
[09:03:27] <CaptHindsight> yes, it work
[09:03:32] <CaptHindsight> +s
[09:05:20] <CaptHindsight> the formatting looks off, there's no space between the border and the left justified text in the middle
[09:06:09] <archivist> never has been
[09:06:17] <CaptHindsight> the middle lost its left padding
[09:06:22] <archivist> been bad like that for years
[09:08:17] <The_Ball> in lathe mode, what's the common mode to setup Z, is -Z going into the stock or away from it?
[09:08:43] <The_Ball> assuming you touched off Z0 at the end of the stock
[09:09:32] <_methods> it's a personal thing unfortunately
[09:10:01] <_methods> some people like 0 to be the end of the finished part
[09:10:09] <_methods> some people like 0 to be the face of the part
[09:10:51] <mrsun> hmm i wonder how effective thein separators are on mdf dust
[09:10:54] <The_Ball> sure, but I'm trying to figure out the orientation of the axis, does +Z usually go toward the chuck or away from it?
[09:10:57] <_methods> but z- is on most machines moving toward the main spindle
[09:11:08] <The_Ball> I see, cheers
[09:11:25] <Tom_itx> the right padding is off too, it's just not as noticeable
[09:11:29] <_methods> if you only have 1 spindle z- would be moving towards the chuck
[09:12:04] <Tom_itx> -z is removing material
[09:12:28] <Tom_itx> however you decide to look at it
[09:13:37] <archivist> material comes out the chuck on a sliding head lathe :)
[09:13:59] <Tom_itx> or a barfeed
[09:14:28] <_methods> on a simple single spindle lathe z- is traditionally moving towards the chuck lol
[09:14:59] <The_Ball> I'm using my mill as a gang tooled lathe
[09:16:43] <_methods> yeah i would just treat it like a simple lathe then
[09:17:05] <_methods> z- is moving towards the chuck
[09:20:56] <Tom_itx> <div id="content_middle" align="left" style="margin-right:201px;">
[09:21:06] <Tom_itx> increasing the margin would probably fix the webpage
[09:27:31] <CaptHindsight> but we're not web devs, we just machine stuff
[09:29:38] <archivist> I machine web pages too :)
[09:39:53] <malcom2073> Hmm subtractive HTMLing...
[09:39:53] <malcom2073> heh
[09:53:50] <Loetmichel> *HA* THATS a wa to start a new year. Steak, asparagus, potato coquettes and bechamel sauce for breakfeast. i LOVE my wife... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15484
[10:08:10] <Sandblech_Micha> Hello and a happy new year in this round.. i am new on this irc chat. I have a question about the toolchange in linuxcnc.
[10:08:48] <jthornton> hi, we just ask the question here
[10:09:21] <Sandblech_Micha> Can i setup a fix position where the toolchange is happend?
[10:10:51] <jthornton> there is a tool change position in the ini file
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:EMCIO-Section
[10:11:40] <Tom_itx> real heatwave moving thru today 24°F
[10:12:18] <jthornton> up to mid 30's here, much better than last nights 24
[10:12:43] <Tom_itx> been in the low teens most of the week here
[10:13:27] <jthornton> I was motivated to light up the wood heater in the garage yesterday to augment the wood heater in the shop
[10:14:34] <Sandblech_Micha> ok. thank you. is there a "special" gcode needed to use the position from the EMCIO Section in the ini file or the normale "new tool"? And need i fill up the tooltabelle in linuxcnc?
[10:14:54] <Loetmichel> 30F over here
[10:15:14] <Loetmichel> but my shop is inside the flat ;)
[10:16:52] <jthornton> Sandblech_Micha, Tn M6 G43 is the normal tool change G code with Tn being the number of the tool
[10:17:43] <jthornton> and if the tool change position is in the ini file it will go to that location before prompting for tool change
[10:18:01] <Sandblech_Micha> ok thank you. I try it out...
[13:20:52] <furrywolf> ratshack looked closed when I drove by. no recapping breakout board today.
[15:33:05] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you there
[15:35:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan:
http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/web/2014/12/3-D-Printed-Polymer-Devices.html
[15:45:48] <zeeshan> very cool
[16:02:43] <unfy> rawr.
[16:04:24] <Deejay> gn8
[16:25:58] <mttr> any rhino 5 experts
[16:45:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan yep
[16:46:10] <zeeshan> what is your website address
[16:46:12] <zeeshan> im trying to make one
[16:46:17] <zeeshan> trying to steal some of your ideas :)
[16:46:28] <Tom_itx> it's pretty old
[16:46:31] <Tom_itx> needs a facelift
[16:46:52] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/index.php
[16:47:14] <Tom_itx> got too much crap on it now too
[16:48:02] <zeeshan> looks like you coded it by hand
[16:48:02] <zeeshan> haha
[16:48:30] <mrsun> anyone good at angles etc in cad? :P
[16:49:23] <mrsun> http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/Fuling06/10893749_10152947710183648_474193636_n.jpg in a structure like that .. the edges of the boards are chamfered to fit snuggly together .. (its made out of 4 flat sheets just bent into place) will the angle change over the height of the structure? =)
[16:51:03] <zeeshan> yes.
[16:51:27] <zeeshan> that is cool looking
[16:51:27] <zeeshan> i like
[16:52:45] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im thinking of making my websit elike this
[16:52:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BrbNQE4.png
[16:52:46] <zeeshan> the front page
[16:52:48] <zeeshan> lol
[16:54:21] <mrsun> yes as in what ?
[16:54:23] <mrsun> will the angle change ?
[16:54:32] <zeeshan> mrsun: yea the angle should change for the layers
[16:54:44] <mrsun> there are no layers ... its only the corners :P
[16:56:07] <PetefromTn_> I have built several things just like that in woodworking. They were oven hoods. We unfortunately seldom if ever made the corners a perfect angle due to the difficulty of getting it all to line up when you assemble it.
[16:57:08] <PetefromTn_> usually we would make a frame for two sides, apply the faces out of some flexible plywood and glue it down and then attach the sides and used a flush cut router bit to make the corner..
[16:57:11] <mrsun> but question is then .. how does one "calculate" the chamfer angle for the sides over the structure .. im in the works writing a script to automate the cad process of those things soon =)
[16:57:27] <mrsun> so i want to be able to estimate it and step it down with a ballnose cutter to get the angle just right =)
[16:57:53] <PetefromTn_> If it is just a 3d model form then the angles should be 45's all the way up barring any twist in the form.
[16:58:07] <PetefromTn_> and assuming the shape is square on all sides.
[16:58:58] <mrsun> so the angle doesnt change in a structure like that then ?
[16:59:06] <PetefromTn_> also not sure what angle you are referring to, the corner joint angle or the faces angle or what?
[16:59:25] <mrsun> the corners are chamfered to be flush to eachother
[16:59:39] <mrsun> like you 45 degree chamfer box sides when you join em for example
[16:59:51] <mrsun> corner joint angle
[16:59:59] <mrsun> same on all pieces to fit together
[17:00:30] <PetefromTn_> from what I can tell of your description it SHOULD be the same on all corners at all levels from a horizontal perspective no?
[17:01:06] <PetefromTn_> but it would of course be a compound angle if you are making it in layers vertically..
[17:01:17] <mrsun> thats what im asking .. if it will be ... the corner joints on the sides that goes from bottom to top .. its a curved structure .. will the angle change in that joint =)
[17:01:27] <mrsun> its no layers .. its a single sheet
[17:01:38] <mrsun> each side is a single sheet .. kerfed and bent
[17:03:31] <PetefromTn_> well let me put it to you this way
[17:03:41] <PetefromTn_> take a piece of crown moulding for instance
[17:03:58] <PetefromTn_> the sides are curved especially in a cove crown
[17:04:02] <PetefromTn_> much in that manner
[17:04:12] <PetefromTn_> but when you make a corner of 90 degrees
[17:04:38] <PetefromTn_> you just cut it at 45 degrees but it is cut nested as it would be sitting in place
[17:04:42] <PetefromTn_> usually upside down...
[17:05:13] <PetefromTn_> the actual cut is JUST a 45 degree cut but the material is held in that shape while the cut happens..
[17:05:52] <PetefromTn_> if you are trying to cut material on the flat and then bend it into place on the form or whatever
[17:06:05] <PetefromTn_> I would think it is not just a simple 45 degree angle
[17:06:12] <mrsun> exactly =)
[17:06:39] <mrsun> so my thinking is, to script it .. and calculate the angle out of the curvature on the sides
[17:06:50] <mrsun> so then when it is bent .. the corners will join flush
[17:07:42] <mrsun> but problem is .. how to calculate the angle change :/
[17:07:47] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a complex equation..
[17:08:30] <PetefromTn_> I THINK solidworks could work to at least allow you to model the shape and then bend it flat which would give you what you want but I have no idea how to do that..
[17:09:15] <mrsun> but out of something like that one might be able to see a relation to curve vs angle .. and make an equation out from that =)
[17:10:19] <mrsun> not a bad idea actualy .. =)
[17:12:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah you would have to try it. I would think it would only work for a single slope angle of course and then you might do it with a couple different angles and determine the rate of change
[17:13:11] <_methods> as long as all your widths between kerfs are identical 45deg will work fine
[17:13:40] <mrsun> oh
[17:13:56] <mrsun> have to check that =)
[17:14:15] <mrsun> cause that would be realy nice if it would ... as 90 degrees bits are redily available =)
[17:14:16] <_methods> i would try to keep every kerf depth identical too
[17:15:32] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I have made things LIKE this many times and often had to trim it out with custom modling. never tried to CNC machine one tho...
[17:15:54] <_methods> yeah i'd make the design to allow for some trim
[17:16:12] <_methods> some way to cover gaps
[17:16:22] <_methods> are you "skinning" it with something?
[17:16:40] <PetefromTn_> most of the time we made them from bendiply and they were either painted or we put veneers on them.
[17:16:48] <mrsun> now we did it at 30 degrees so the inside (the important part) would meet up flush and a gap would be on the outside and using more filling glues
[17:16:53] <_methods> yeah i've always veneered stuff like that
[17:16:55] <PetefromTn_> this allowed for an almost non existent gap
[17:17:57] <PetefromTn_> not sure what his application is tho and he sounded like he wanted to be able to program a perfect fit on a CNC from flat stock...
[17:18:16] <mrsun> its loud speaker thingies
[17:18:19] <_methods> well 45 should work fine as long as every segment is identical
[17:18:49] <mrsun> _methods: are you realy sure as it is a compound angle each time ... and each kerf will have a slightly different "bend"
[17:19:25] <_methods> there are no "other" angles
[17:19:28] <_methods> it's a 90
[17:19:47] <mrsun> alrighty then =) i will test it out =)
[17:20:32] <_methods> if they're not identical though you'll get pushout or gaps at joints where they land different
[17:21:16] <mrsun> as the machine cuts them they should be as identical as i can get em
[17:22:27] <_methods> you said you did it already with 30deg angle right?
[17:24:53] <mrsun> yes but im not the one gluing it up so i dont know how that ended up ... but that was just to make sure inside corners were flush
[17:25:11] <mrsun> as they are more important than outside conrners .. but with a huge gap glue contact isnt good :P
[17:25:57] <_methods> well you should have been able to look at the gap and seen that it was constant all the way down
[17:26:50] <mrsun> yeap ... im asking him for answers also =) just doing more research on the side =)
[17:28:43] <_methods> if the angles changed like you are unsure of you would have seen the gap change drastically throughout the joint
[17:28:51] <PetefromTn_> here's another way to look at it. Imagine you take a piece of soft foam about five inches wide by maybe six foot long, about the size of a piece of crown moulding. Then bend it and cut it at a 45 degree angle on a mitre box saw,,,, then release the bend.
[17:29:44] <_methods> good analogy
[17:31:14] <PetefromTn_> of course in reality if you tried this the blad would grab the soft foam and rip it out of your hands and shit would be flying around....LOL
[17:31:25] <_methods> hot wire
[17:31:47] <PetefromTn_> but it illustrates my point heh
[17:32:35] <_methods> yeah
[17:32:44] <mrsun> oo hotwire cutter .. i need to buildmyself one of those =)
[17:42:40] <Tom_itx> just make a surface profile of the corner and make a model from it
[17:43:13] <Tom_itx> you can drag a polyline until you're happy with it
[17:47:08] <Tom_itx> digitize it with a tablet
[17:47:20] <Tom_itx> i guess they don't use those much anymore
[18:02:51] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: not if you take the foam compressed block, fill it with water, freeze it.
[18:15:20] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Do YOU have a freezer big enught to do enough blocks in a reasonable amount of time?
[18:15:54] <PetefromTn_> it was just an attempt to illustrate is all. not to be taken literally
[18:16:08] <SpeedEvil> Well- my freezer is 300L, an will go down to -50C
[18:16:21] <SpeedEvil> (If I stick the 'boost' button on and leave it for a week
[18:16:23] <Jymmm> There really is strctural foam bloacks. Used with concrete, very very cool.
[18:16:31] <XXCoder1> woot tuneup done on car
[18:16:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: You forgot to change the differencial oil =)
[18:17:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and tranny fluid
[18:17:01] <SpeedEvil> And the integral fluid.
[18:17:04] <XXCoder1> lol
[18:17:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and coolant
[18:17:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and the brake fluid
[18:17:15] <XXCoder1> coolant have to wait till I get water pump
[18:17:38] <SpeedEvil> Arctangent plasma is often never properly serviced.
[18:17:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Oh, in that case, change out the timing/belt/chain at the same time
[18:17:53] <XXCoder1> lol
[18:17:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: and adj the valves
[18:17:58] <SpeedEvil> Also - linuxCNC HAL is quite adequate to be an ECU
[18:18:09] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[18:18:10] <XXCoder1> SpeedEvil: nice techobabble. you sure you didnt graduate from starfleet?
[18:18:13] * SpeedEvil tries to think why that wouldn't work.
[18:18:27] <SpeedEvil> I think it probably would.
[18:18:47] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: primatively
[18:19:03] <SpeedEvil> Why?
[18:19:11] <SpeedEvil> 10us timing resolution is quite adequate
[18:19:26] <PetefromTn_> I want to go to Starfleet...LOL
[18:19:40] <Jymmm> If you just want timing, that's easy. Evan an arduino could do that
[18:20:02] <SpeedEvil> I mean to be the equivalent of a megasquirt - which is quite capable.
[18:20:11] <SpeedEvil> But still a 16 bit ~20MHz processor
[18:20:41] <Jymmm> Toss in coil on plug, fuel injectors, tardation/etc, I dont think so
[18:21:37] <Jymmm> plus waiting for your car to boot/reboot
[18:50:29] <zeeshan> hi
[18:50:32] <zeeshan> which image is better
[18:50:33] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.imgur.com/all/
[18:50:34] <zeeshan> er
[18:50:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/mIxSUBz.png
[18:50:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UyVV9p6.png
[18:51:25] <Tom_itx> ur spending too much time on it :D
[18:51:43] <zeeshan> that was not the question :)
[18:51:53] <Tom_itx> the crooked one
[18:52:00] <zeeshan> thank you :D
[18:52:04] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i want it to look good
[18:52:05] <Tom_itx> but
[18:52:13] <Tom_itx> it should randomly rotate
[18:52:39] <Tom_itx> now there's the WOW factor!
[18:52:44] <zeeshan> haha
[18:52:48] <zeeshan> if it randomly rotates
[18:52:52] <zeeshan> then its not transferring right :{
[18:53:03] <zeeshan> theyre all the same size :D
[18:53:39] <PetefromTn_> kinda not diggin' it man. It seems a bit high school for some reason. No offense..
[18:54:46] <Tom_itx> http://ladyada.net/
[18:54:48] <Tom_itx> same concept
[18:54:51] <_methods> yeah get some flash player rotating gears in there
[18:54:59] <_methods> everyone loves flash
[18:55:02] <zeeshan> oo Tom_itx
[18:55:02] <zeeshan> i like
[18:55:22] <Tom_itx> mouse over one
[18:55:29] <zeeshan> i forgot to add research
[18:55:30] <zeeshan> fak
[18:56:04] <XXCoder1> don't forget to add something with 3 flashes per second. it'll really wow some of em :P
[18:56:36] <_methods> make sure you have some music playing too
[19:04:42] * Jymmm flashes everyone
[19:05:01] <XXCoder1> thats all you have? hm
[19:05:10] <XXCoder1> not impressed. well laters all
[19:05:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: I"mhuman, not a horse
[19:06:15] <_methods> hahaha
[19:08:14] <Tom_itx> whata dawg
[19:08:41] <_methods> flash and bash
[19:11:41] <Jymmm> _methods: That sounds reallycreappy/stalky/rapey/cereal killery
[19:12:19] <Jymmm> (cereal not serial)
[19:14:43] <_methods> hahah
[19:14:55] <_methods> you're the one flash'n everyone
[19:15:34] <Jymmm> pays to advertise
[19:15:41] <Jymmm> but no bashing
[19:15:44] <_methods> heheh
[19:31:15] <furrywolf> yay breaking things!
[19:31:26] <unfy> \o/
[19:32:01] <furrywolf> went wheeling with some friends... managed to break the pinion off on one of their vehicles.
[19:32:12] <unfy> heh
[19:32:42] <furrywolf> a dana 60 front with 5.13 gears... not easy to do.
[19:38:19] <The_Ball> arg these mozzie bites are driving me insane
[19:42:35] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BrbNQE4.png
[19:42:38] <zeeshan> lol that was my original idea
[19:42:43] <zeeshan> it some how evolved to this
[19:42:50] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/l6ZpSGS.png
[19:43:58] <The_Ball> that's neat, blog logo?
[19:44:21] <zeeshan> my page
[19:44:24] <zeeshan> main page i mean
[19:44:34] <The_Ball> Did you make it in Inkscape?
[19:44:37] <zeeshan> no
[19:44:38] <zeeshan> solidworks
[19:44:49] <furrywolf> you know what I like? underlined purple links.
[19:45:13] <zeeshan> i dont have time to learn a photo editing software
[19:45:13] <zeeshan> haha
[19:45:27] <zeeshan> is inkscape comparable to photoshop?
[19:45:51] <The_Ball> not really, it's only for vector graphics
[19:47:36] <The_Ball> zeeshan, I just started toying with SW, it's very good
[19:48:06] <furrywolf> I need to find a good open-source cad program.
[19:48:25] <zeeshan> the_ball yea its very powerful
[19:48:38] <The_Ball> furrywolf, have you tried FreeCAD? It's pretty good and improving rapidly
[19:49:07] <furrywolf> not lately. I tried it a few years ago and found it useless.
[19:49:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you need a worm gear in there too
[19:49:53] <The_Ball> furrywolf, yeah I can believe that, give it another spin now
[19:50:40] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: haha
[19:52:13] <furrywolf> no debian package? never a good sign...
[19:52:55] <The_Ball> furrywolf, you sure, did you check for a download or in apt?
[19:53:01] <mttr> any one good at rhino cad
[19:53:21] <furrywolf> just checked their website, I have to add testing or unstable to get it.
[19:53:47] <The_Ball> Hm ok, it's in Ubuntu's default repos and Fedoras
[19:55:33] * furrywolf edits sources.list and updates
[19:55:39] <furrywolf> this will take quite a while on my connection
[20:01:14] <furrywolf> installing freecad requires a larger download than I can do on this connection.
[20:02:13] <furrywolf> I'll have to wait until I can bring my laptop somewhere with wifi.
[20:02:50] <furrywolf> freecad itself isn't huge, but it depends on a fuckload of python crap apparantly.
[20:09:01] <The_Ball> furrywolf, yeah it's all opencascade with python on top, so everything is python scriptable which is nice if you're into python
[20:24:23] <unfy> btw, debian package ? boo :D
[20:24:32] <unfy> (flamewar hoooooo :D)
[21:46:10] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/
[21:47:49] <zeeshan> i like it!
[21:49:37] <Connor> zeeshan: Those gears don't mesh very well.. talk about bachlash. :)
[21:49:43] <zeeshan> hahaha
[21:49:51] <zeeshan> that gear train would explode on the first turn
[21:51:49] <furrywolf> ... why does a navigation menu need an entire screen instead of, say, two lines?
[21:52:04] <zeeshan> cause thats how i want it to be :D
[21:52:28] <furrywolf> it also blinks in a most annoying fashion when hovering over different links
[21:52:35] <zeeshan> i noticed that
[21:52:37] <zeeshan> i wonder wh y
[21:52:41] <zeeshan> it goes away after you go over all of them
[21:53:02] <furrywolf> no, it doesn't.
[21:53:06] <zeeshan> for me it does :P
[21:53:30] <Connor> Works fine for me in Chrome.
[21:54:06] <Connor> okay.. it did it in FF..
[21:54:17] <Connor> are you overlaying the whole picture for each one?
[21:54:20] <furrywolf> my guess is it's because you used javascript crap instead of css hovers.
[21:54:27] <zeeshan> connor yes
[21:54:42] <Connor> That's why.. you need to pre-fetch those images.
[21:54:47] <furrywolf> yes, he is.
[21:54:53] <zeeshan> its preloading them
[21:54:58] <furrywolf> and it's not just prefetching, because it continues to flicker even after they're loaded.
[21:54:59] <zeeshan> im using dreamwaeaver
[21:55:19] <zeeshan> ill try to use css
[21:55:43] <Connor> After you hover over one.. it stops doing it..
[21:55:47] <furrywolf> it's also painfully fucking slow to load.
[21:56:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: stop using a shitty connection :)
[21:56:19] <zeeshan> its 2014
[21:56:23] <furrywolf> let's load 1.4MB just to show 8 links!
[21:56:23] <zeeshan> almost everyone has cable internet or dsl
[21:56:36] <Connor> Language guys...
[21:56:53] <furrywolf> yes, I'm so glad no one you know uses a tablet or smartphone.
[21:57:06] <zeeshan> not meant to be a mobile site
[21:57:13] <zeeshan> its going to be content heavy
[21:57:18] <zeeshan> full of images
[21:57:35] <furrywolf> it's also wider than my screen, and 1024x768 isn't that odd...
[21:57:40] <zeeshan> so if 1.4mb of images causes issues
[21:57:52] <zeeshan> time to move on :P
[21:58:06] <zeeshan> furrywolf: are you from usa?
[21:58:20] <zeeshan> that is worse than 720 P!
[21:58:44] <furrywolf> ... also, your 404 page is evil. but, that's probably your host's fault, not yours.
[21:59:22] <furrywolf> computer screens should not be measured by television sizes. computer screens do useful things, and displaying television is not a useful task.
[21:59:29] <zeeshan> yea
[21:59:37] <zeeshan> a computer screen should also not be 1024x768
[21:59:38] <zeeshan> lol
[21:59:49] <zeeshan> that's painfully crap
[22:00:00] <Connor> I often have mine at that size. the browser window that is.. not the monitor.
[22:00:03] <zeeshan> at minimum you need 1680x1050
[22:00:26] <zeeshan> i personally cant stand anything below 1920 x 1200
[22:00:59] <furrywolf> I have a 13" screen. 1024x768 is perfectly adequate.
[22:01:18] <zeeshan> i guess you don't do any serious work on the computer then
[22:01:29] <zeeshan> cad / coding etc
[22:01:48] <furrywolf> ... I think I fit 140 columns or something on this screen while coding. :P
[22:02:37] <furrywolf> or it's more than that. don't remember.
[22:03:36] <furrywolf> 170 columns
[22:03:48] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, not sure i like that
[22:03:55] <Tom_itx> too much for just a menu
[22:04:03] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: its the banner page
[22:04:05] <furrywolf> 57 rows
[22:04:05] <zeeshan> i like it
[22:04:12] <furrywolf> how much of your code do you want to see at once? :P
[22:04:15] <Tom_itx> too much resources
[22:04:18] <zeeshan> the content page will be less fancier
[22:04:24] <furrywolf> banner pages are worse than useless.
[22:04:42] <Connor> they are super bad for search engine results
[22:04:49] <furrywolf> "fancy" isn't a word I'd apply to it. all you need to do is make it blink and it can be 1999 all over again!
[22:04:56] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, doesn't resize well either
[22:05:04] <furrywolf> tom: s/well/at all. :P
[22:05:15] <Connor> and BTW, I do web design and development for a living...
[22:05:27] <zeeshan> this isn't a business site guys
[22:05:29] <zeeshan> its a personal blog
[22:05:36] <Tom_itx> to each his own
[22:05:42] <zeeshan> i don't expect 1000s of hits
[22:05:42] <Tom_itx> but you somewhat asked...
[22:05:49] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I find displaying 57 rows of 170 characters to be adequate for coding.
[22:06:11] <furrywolf> connor: I don't do web design for a living, but I have been known to abuse css for fun.
[22:06:23] <zeeshan> connor make me a page!
[22:06:23] <zeeshan> :P
[22:06:34] <Connor> zeeshan: Sure, pay me!
[22:06:36] <zeeshan> haha
[22:06:57] <furrywolf> connor:
http://fw.bushytails.net/css/imgwidget/imgtest.php I think is my favorite of my abuses-of-CSS.
[22:07:02] <Connor> oh. and I charge like 1.5x rate for friends and people who know me.. :)
[22:07:18] <zeeshan> well this is a start
[22:07:27] <zeeshan> what im gonna do later is use the outlet of the gear make it transulcent
[22:07:30] <zeeshan> arrange it in tables
[22:07:34] <zeeshan> and change the bg color
[22:07:37] <zeeshan> rather than changing images
[22:07:51] <zeeshan> enough web design for a day :P
[22:08:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you can get web templates
[22:08:31] <Tom_itx> i started with one and modified it
[22:11:20] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/css/cssamaze/cssamaze.php was the result of being bored and thinking about css...
[22:12:42] <Tom_itx> took about 10 sec to finish
[22:13:14] <furrywolf> did chrome ever fix their bug that kept the image viewer from working? I haven't touched that code in about five years. heh.
[22:13:26] <furrywolf> tom: try a new maze, then. they're randomly generated.
[22:13:41] <Tom_itx> naw, i got better things to do
[22:13:46] <furrywolf> lol
[22:13:56] <furrywolf> I probably had better things to do when I wrote it, too. :P
[22:14:41] <furrywolf> if you click, you should see the entire maze, and a highlighted path to wherever you drag the mouse to
[23:03:55] <furrywolf> I really need a new laptop.
