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[00:12:44] <Connor> zeeshan: When you going to mount the cabinets?
[00:17:01] <zeeshan> connor tomorrow
[00:17:02] <zeeshan> too tired
[00:17:06] <zeeshan> tjtr33: yes
[00:17:20] <Connor> zeeshan: Kinda sucks you having to mount them stacked vs side-by-side.
[00:17:29] <zeeshan> yea :/
[00:17:33] <zeeshan> they just take more footprint
[00:17:35] <zeeshan> if i did side by side
[00:17:42] <Connor> yea
[00:20:34] <zeeshan> i need a mill :/
[00:20:38] <zeeshan> need to slot one of the frame holes
[00:25:07] <zeeshan> can i use a drill press with and end mill
[00:25:12] <zeeshan> and just plunge straight down
[00:25:16] <zeeshan> no side milling.
[00:25:19] <zeeshan> anyone do ths before?
[00:25:49] <Connor> Yes. you can do that.
[00:26:00] <Connor> same as drilling.
[00:26:19] <Connor> Just be carefull.
[00:30:23] <tjtr33> it will grab much more than a drill. like when drill breaks thru. a rat-tail file might do what you need & is safer
[00:30:44] <zeeshan> even with light pressure?
[00:31:47] <tjtr33> it runs away on breakthru, your down pressure wont help you need to swx from down to up at the right moment, try 'nibbling' so it doesnt have much bite
[00:32:06] <tjtr33> ^^^ very bad advise ( how to do it wrong is just wrong )
[00:32:51] <zeeshan> i would do this at school but the damn shop is cllosed till jan 8
[00:33:01] <tjtr33> get a rat-tail file
[00:33:41] <zeeshan> tjtr33: its 1/2" holes
[00:33:42] <zeeshan> 1/2" apart.
[00:33:55] <zeeshan> so by the time i drill the second 1/2" hole
[00:34:03] <zeeshan> itll try to grab on the original 1/2" hole
[00:34:13] <zeeshan> that is why i was thinking of endmilling straight down
[00:39:49] <tjtr33> hmmm, maybe clamp a sheet of scrap over 1st hole, then drill the 2nd hole thru both the scrap and the frame.
[00:40:16] <zeeshan> oh like adrill guide
[00:40:28] <tjtr33> well a walk-preventer
[00:43:48] <tjtr33> i think you could lay it out and get 3 pcs 3/16 holes in the area to be removed, then use rat-tail on what remains
[02:51:33] <Deejay> moin
[08:25:00] <lair82_> Good Morning Guys, Does anyone know how to go about creating an xorg.conf file on the current debian wheezy build?
[08:34:24] <lair82_> I realized yesterday that the driver that I was trying to load for my touchscreen, was the wrong one, I needed the one for the last linux kernel 2.6.32. I am trying to get the driver loaded now, but every time I try to run the sh setup.sh command, it complains that the xorg file is missing.
[08:39:47] <cradek> lair82_: modern distros don't usually use a xorg.conf file anymore - there are systems that autoconfigure X for you, which is what allows you to change video cards or monitors without editing files
[08:40:06] <Loetmichel> *brrr* *re from hanging up the laundry* wife called out:" MICHEL, the washing machine is done!" ... in that tone that doesent warrant _any_ delay or objection...
[08:41:34] <cradek> lair82_: you might be best off buying a touchscreen that is supported and will work just as easily as a mouse etc, by plugging in its usb plug
[08:41:52] <lair82_> I did read that earlier, that most software doesn't use that file anymore. I just found a wiki on how to install an Egalax touchscreen on debian, I am going to go give it a try.
[08:42:22] <cradek> lair82_: either that or ask the manufacturer for help (bringing their drivers up to date)
[08:43:38] <cradek> lair82_: manufacturers that lie (yeah it's supported in linux one of our guys made it work on his linux machine in 2004 here's a tar of his home directory) are really obnoxious and it's sad they got your money
[08:43:45] <lair82_> I hope it doesn't come to that, I have over 10 hrs laying out, milling and assembling my screen front end with all the push buttons and such built in. I figured wrong apperently when it only took 5 minutes to get them configured under Ubuntu 10.04, that it would go the same under Debian
[08:44:38] <cradek> surprising - I would think ubuntu 10 didn't have an xorg.conf either
[08:44:56] <cradek> but it *was* a 2.6 kernel
[08:45:20] <cradek> if their driver has kernel modules they almost surely won't work anymore without being rebuilt
[08:46:12] <lair82_> I tried these things out back in September when my boss bought them, on my test pc, using Ubuntu, and it took maybe 5 mins to get it up and running, and it worked fine.
[08:46:59] <lair82_> I will have to ask there tech support I guess to see if they can re-write a driver for Debian Wheezy
[08:47:13] <cradek> yeah, or their installer or who knows what
[08:47:57] <mazafaka_> Am I right to think direct pathes for the mill are better than sophisticated ones, which can optionally be created by CAM software?
[08:48:15] <malcom2073> lair82_: I have several Egalax touchscreens, I've never been able to get any of them working in any distro :/
[08:48:48] <malcom2073> I wound up giving up and used them on windows PC's, figured I'd wait until there is verified support of something before I buy it for linux again
[08:50:01] <cradek> are you talking about this advice from 2005?
http://www.nerdnetworks.org/touchscreen.html
[08:50:20] <lair82_> I did get to work, I actually re-configured one this morning on my test pc just make sure I wasn't losing my marbles, I found at their page
http://home.eeti.com.tw/LinuxDriverDownload.html, and used this driver, eGalaxTouch_3.07.6014-32b and it works fine.
[08:51:09] <lair82_> I had to reconfigure it again, because I trashed my test pc about a month ago, so I had to rebuild the OS.
[08:52:08] <lair82_> Nope, I found this
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/EGalax_Touchscreen
[08:53:38] <cradek> that's still kernel 2.6 (page last changed 2009)
[08:53:39] <lair82_> I guess that one is shit anyway, the link for the download is broken
[08:54:21] <cradek> wait, so you have made it work on debian wheezy before?
[08:54:49] <cradek> I'm confused
[08:58:11] <lair82_> No, I made it work on Ubuntu 10.04 twice, I am just now building my first Debian build, and am realizing that these things don't work on debian.
[09:00:49] <lair82_> This is the page with the drivers,
http://home.eeti.com.tw/LinuxDriverDownload.html reading the descriptions for each one, the one at the top of the linux drivers looks like it should work, but thats the one I was trying yesterday.
[09:07:54] <cradek> If you need any technical support, or if you need I2C driver, please feel free to contact us: touch_fae@eeti.com
[10:53:40] <MrSun-uthus> DaViruz, höjt! här ?
[10:59:58] <MrSun-uthus> someone here using vectrics software ?
[11:35:09] <jdh> me
[11:41:31] <zeeshan|2> so this guy selling the monarch lathe
[11:41:41] <zeeshan|2> that im supposed to meet today , apparently makes guns
[11:41:46] <zeeshan|2> now im afraid to go there! :P
[11:42:37] <nick-name> hi there
[11:42:47] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I'd go see it
[11:43:02] <zeeshan|2> what if he pulls a gun on me or something
[11:43:03] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:43:10] <zeeshan|2> first of all, the lathe is wayyy under priced
[11:43:14] <zeeshan|2> which has gotten me worried
[11:43:29] <jthornton> it will be the safest place to be, he has guns
[11:44:08] <zeeshan|2> its a monarch 14c
[11:44:16] <zeeshan|2> they usually go for couple grand
[11:44:21] <zeeshan|2> he's got it for sale for $300
[11:44:30] <CaptHindsight> I'm more concerned about the ignorant gun buyers than someone that actually on the ball enough to make them
[11:44:36] <zeeshan|2> my friend inquired about the same machine, and he told him it was sold
[11:44:49] <zeeshan|2> so he seems very legit so far
[11:45:05] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna get robbed :/
[11:45:27] <CaptHindsight> park down the street, show up in pajamas
[11:46:20] <CaptHindsight> I though Canada was safe and all the violent criminals were down here
[11:46:32] <CaptHindsight> though/thought
[11:47:01] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:47:15] <CaptHindsight> would someone really use a lathe as bait to lure people into their home to rob them?
[11:47:46] <CaptHindsight> think he has a thing against home machinists?
[11:48:19] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:48:20] <CaptHindsight> plus you rob people at their homes, not at your home
[11:48:24] <zeeshan|2> "anti home machinists"
[11:49:01] <CaptHindsight> unless you're a minister or fortune teller
[11:50:08] <malcom2073> Not to rob them... maybe to torture/kill?
[11:50:21] <malcom2073> "Tell me about your feeds and speeds again, or I'll cut another finger off"
[11:50:43] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Bring a big friend with you, that's what I always do "They're the muscle to help me move heavy things"
[11:51:41] <malcom2073> Or if you're just going to check it out, say they're scoping it out to help with transporting
[11:52:30] <CaptHindsight> wear a GoPro, tell them that you're part of a reality show about people that lure people into their homes with low cost machine tools and you're broadcasting live
[11:52:39] <zeeshan|2> LOLOL
[11:52:49] <malcom2073> haha
[11:53:09] <malcom2073> When they answer the door, say "Just a moment, just checking in on facebook, I have like two hundred folloers"
[11:54:06] <zeeshan|2> im still laughing at that low cost machine tool joke
[11:54:15] <zeeshan|2> my cheeks hurt
[11:56:46] <CaptHindsight> I just found out that a nearby town has their bars open today from now until 2am Friday
[11:57:14] <CaptHindsight> I can't imagine what that scene is going to look like tomorrow at ~7am
[13:29:49] <lair82_> Finally got my Touchscreen working, god dam what a pain in my ass.
[13:31:12] <skunkworks> what did it?
[13:33:29] <lair82_> I pulled the piece of shit out and put an ELO in that was sitting on the shelf. LOL
[13:33:55] <lair82_> Worked right out the gate.
[13:33:58] <cradek> yay that's the ticket
[13:34:20] <lair82_> Almost 12 dam hours wasted
[13:34:32] <cradek> heh counting our time or not?
[13:35:12] <cradek> I tried a cheapie touchscreen once too - never again
[13:35:20] <Connor> I had to reverse the the Y on my setup..
[13:35:34] <Connor> Was a ELO not sure why..
[13:35:45] <cradek> I've seen that too
[13:36:00] <cradek> that's much easier to fix than one that's just dead
[13:36:06] <Connor> Yup.
[13:36:47] <lair82_> That was wasting your guy's time, I can't really bitch real hard about my time, I get paid by the hour, and my boss knows that other than trying to someway somehow get one of you guys in here to finish it, I'm the only hope and prayer of getting it running.
[13:37:29] <Connor> What brand was the other touch screen ?
[13:38:56] <lair82_> The back says Henostar, and the drivers and such are from EETI, its a "eGalaxTouch" monitor, 17"
[13:39:08] <Connor> Never heard of them.
[13:39:16] <Connor> which is probably 99.999% of the problem
[13:39:37] <lair82_> We bought 2 of them, said they were new for $250 off Ebay.
[13:39:50] <cradek> yikes
[13:40:00] <Connor> You try them on a windows machine first?
[13:40:36] <Connor> may use some proprietary driver..
[13:40:51] <lair82_> I got them to work on Ubuntu, just not Debian, and I emailed tech support about a driver. Seens how they are across the big pond, I'm am sure it will be next week before I here back from them.
[13:41:12] <Connor> oh.ok
[13:42:02] <lair82_> Just for grins, I might upgrade 2 of my turning centers to 17" monitors, they are both on Ubuntu 10.04
[13:42:20] <lair82_> No point in scrapping these i guess
[13:45:39] <PetefromTn_> lair82_ Glad you got it sorted out even tho it was not what you wanted. Hopefully you will get assistance from the manuf. soon and can still use those.
[13:49:27] <lair82_> I hope, I am actually do 2 cinci 10VC's at the same time, the other one is at another shop down the road, so I still technically need 1 of them for these debian builds, worst case I get another ELO or IBM, and put both these henojunks on my turning centers, Bigger touchscreens would be nice on those.
[14:04:09] <unfy> some cheap zinc coated allthread bought for lead screw stuff. the 5/16th's stuff. i'll buy M8 rod later for the comparison tests.
[14:54:43] <Jymmm> Anyone need a 12 port USB hub? lol
[15:09:24] <XXCoder1> nah only 12 ports not enough Jymmm lol
[15:09:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: velcro two together for 24 ports!!!
[15:10:26] <XXCoder1> sounds vaguely porn ad- "More ports than you know what to do with!!"
[15:10:56] <ReadError> i like those usb hubs with the switches
[15:11:02] <ReadError> great for toggling a device
[15:11:11] <Jymmm> Depends, if you are charging/powering multiple USB devices, then sure as you are using an external walwaort to power the hub
[15:11:41] <Jymmm> ReadError: never seen one
[15:11:57] <XXCoder1> me either
[15:14:40] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTHGL8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[15:15:21] <Jymmm> cool, thanks ReadError
[15:15:53] <ReadError> great if you are doing any kind of HW dev stuff
[15:16:08] <XXCoder1> wow
[15:18:45] <unfy> they don't mention what kind of power output the power adapter is.
[15:18:53] <unfy> if it's less than 3.5 amps, it's moot.
[15:19:52] <XXCoder1> smaller version
http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-4-Port-Individual-Switches-HB-UMLS/dp/B00BWF5U0M/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_y
[15:20:21] <unfy> could you provide your own ? sure. but at $18 + shipping, you better not have to buy/build a power supply to go with it :D
[15:23:31] <Rab> zeeshan|2, beep
[15:23:51] <ReadError> unfy, it is 3.5A
[15:23:58] <ReadError> XXCoder1, I got that one too
[15:24:11] <unfy> then that's decent enough :D
[15:24:20] <XXCoder1> it is.
[15:24:27] <XXCoder1> I should buy one for my touchpad
[15:24:38] <XXCoder1> it supports otg but it can't power anything
[15:25:20] <unfy> i've seen /alot/ of cheap powered hubs whose power supply is only a fraction of what it should be
[15:30:14] <ReadError> unfy, ya i checked the walwart when i got it, it was 3.5A for sure
[15:30:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/braille/product_batteries/i49cs just add a LiPo battery to power things
[15:30:23] <nnnn_> im running linuxcnc with an openbuilds ox machine and want to make custom electric guitars? any ideas for good free CAM programs that use .stl files for surface milling and pocketing
[15:30:39] <ReadError> stl
[15:30:40] <ReadError> ew
[15:30:50] <XXCoder1> waamart sucks
[15:31:03] <nnnn_> or anything that solidworks poops out
[15:31:04] <CaptHindsight> nnnn_: why .stl? what CAD application are you using?
[15:31:43] <CaptHindsight> nnnn_:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[15:32:23] <nnnn_> im using solidworks
[15:32:30] <ReadError> oh
[15:32:35] <ReadError> just get hsmxpress
[15:32:42] <ReadError> its free for solidworks
[15:35:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hsmworks.com
[15:36:14] <ReadError> its solid
[15:36:18] <ReadError> should do anything you need
[15:39:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: have you found the absolute lowest cost per Wh, Joules/cm^2, battery source?
[15:39:50] <_methods> http://www.instructables.com/id/Small-Engine-Lamp/?ALLSTEPS
[15:40:38] <CaptHindsight> finally something useful
[15:42:48] <_methods> lol
[15:50:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes, yes, I have, but the gubermint won't let me have one in my back yard
[15:51:17] <Rab> _methods, cute.
[15:51:39] <Rab> Anybody recognize the connector on these servos, or know where I could find the pinout?
[15:51:42] <Rab> http://i.imgur.com/zrAClUY.jpg
[15:51:42] <_methods> yeah i need another project like a need another hole in my head though
[15:52:33] * Jymmm grabs the auger and looks at _methods
[15:52:46] <_methods> heheh
[15:53:07] <_methods> looks like a custom connector
[15:53:19] <Rab> They have Nemicon SBY-25-2MD encoders. The datasheet lists wire colors, but those don't match the colors going to the connector.
[15:53:51] <_methods> were those taken out of an existing machine?
[15:54:02] <Rab> Red and black are separated from the others and look like power, I guess the thing to do is hook 'em up and watch the other pins for output.
[15:54:54] <Rab> They are used but I don't know the application. They were mounted in test jigs, coupled to each other in pairs. (????)
[15:55:16] <Rab> Might have been some kind of torque or longevity test.
[15:55:16] <_methods> bummer was going to say look at the old schematic
[15:56:28] <_methods> looks like red, blue and green/yellow are power and ground
[15:56:44] <_methods> how many wires are in the bundled cable?
[15:58:19] <Rab> Fat red/blue/green for the servo, obviously +/-/gnd. The encoder has 8 wires, red/black/brown/blue/green/violet/white/yellow.
[15:59:45] <_methods> so none of the 8 wires match the datasheet?
[15:59:47] <_methods> that sux
[16:00:02] <Rab> Datasheet lists orange and gray wires, which aren't present.
[16:00:24] <PCW> take encoder cap off and check bypasses for power
[16:00:53] <PCW> or line driver pins
[16:00:58] <Rab> I can't get it off. ;) I was able to unscrew the cable grommet and peek inside enough to see the part number.
[16:01:16] <PCW> (8 pins is likely differential with index)
[16:02:35] <Rab> The datasheet shows 3 output pairs for the -2MD part, A B and Z. What purpose does Z serve? It looks like it delivers a pulse the full width of the B cycle.
[16:03:03] <PCW> capacitance meter on likely pins might work, then try powering up with say 50 ma current limit until polarity is determined
[16:03:12] <Rab> Hmm, good idea.
[16:03:32] <PCW> Z is once/turn index for accurate homong
[16:03:47] <PCW> also homing
[16:03:58] <Rab> ahh
[16:04:03] <_methods> i like homong batter
[16:04:26] <PCW> typically gated with A/B in encoder index logic
[16:09:35] <Rab> The red/black encoder pair is special, has a 76K resistance and dynamic capacitance that seems like something charging/discharging. Pretty sure that's power. The rest of the wires have very high resistance (6-7M) to each other and to red/black.
[16:09:51] <Rab> PCW, thanks for the tips.
[16:12:18] <PCW> Nice standard colors (I would still use a current limit first time)
[16:31:32] <unfy> i need to build me a cheap test / benchtop power supply (0-12v, 0-5a or so prolly)
[16:33:22] <_methods> old server power supplies
[16:33:42] <_methods> good amps and cheap
[16:34:24] <unfy> that'd get say 5 and 12 (maybe 3.3) volts at insane amps, but being able to limit volts & amps down would be really handy for diagnostic work (and to avoid fires heh)
[16:34:24] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-POWER-SUPPLY-1000W-379123-001-403781-001-399771-B21-/170646467608?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item27bb527418
[16:35:15] <unfy> and, since i wanna range from 0-12, drop out voltage things means they won't work as a current source either - not without a boosting first stage
[16:35:57] <_methods> take the 12v and make it adjustable
[16:36:01] <unfy> as a 0-5v, then sure. maybe i'd go about using it.
[16:36:37] <unfy> most linear regulators have a 1.5-2.5v drop out. so with a 12v source, i'd have a ~9v limit on out
[16:36:50] <_methods> lm2596
[16:40:56] <SpeedEvil> LDO regulators cost $1 or under
[16:41:58] <unfy> reading the lm2596 ds, but as far as ldo - you're still dropping out, thus not gonna hit source - and if i want it to be able to do 12, then even with an ldo - source has to be > 12.
[16:42:30] <_methods> you can twist those server power supplies up over 12v
[16:43:06] <_methods> but sounds like you'd be better off just buyin a real supply
[16:43:36] <unfy> nah, it'd be building one for the fun of it.
[16:43:42] <_methods> i just made my bench supply out of server power supplies because they were cheap and i had a pile of them
[16:44:14] <unfy> does amazon have $60-$100 cheap power supplies ? sure.
[16:44:27] <_methods> yeah you can get one for like $100
[16:44:53] <unfy> can i build something for $40 ? prolly.
[16:44:56] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-30VDC-0-3A-Switch-Mode-Bench-Power-Supply-with-Digital-Display-CSI3003SM-/221584065292
[16:45:00] <_methods> $60
[16:45:32] <unfy> 0.2v ripple ? wow.
[16:46:07] <unfy> i'll have fun trying to build my own instead :D
[16:46:53] <_methods> yeah
[16:48:20] <_methods> one of the few things i actually found to put my 3d printer to good use on
[16:48:27] <unfy> 200mv is unacceptable imho
[16:48:46] <unfy> 3d printer for enclosures ? yes pleaseeeeee
[16:50:39] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fusswv0048bf0er/2013-12-12%2020.08.26.jpg?dl=0
[16:50:53] <unfy> *drool*
[16:51:39] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpgffohwvgva8ld/2013-12-10%2020.45.08.jpg?dl=0
[16:51:42] <_methods> heheh danger
[16:51:45] <_methods> i just had to add that
[16:51:46] <_methods> lol
[16:52:03] <unfy> heheheheh
[16:53:06] <unfy> what's the switches in the KB ? cherry blue/brown or topre ?
[16:53:30] <_methods> cherry brown
[16:53:53] <_methods> love mechanical keys
[16:53:54] <unfy> browns here at work, with orings. to avoid coworkers from killing me. prefer the blues personally (and use blues at home)
[16:56:11] <_methods> freenode getting blasted i guess
[16:56:44] <unfy> field mouse farted near a fiber line outside of vancouver or something
[16:57:21] <unfy> i really like the one off project enclosure idea for 3d printer though <3
[16:57:38] <_methods> yeah bout all it's good for
[16:57:47] <unfy> (i've been following 3d printers for ~10 years, but could never really come with a use for one)
[16:57:58] <_methods> it's great for junk
[16:58:06] <_methods> or just making a prototype enclosure
[16:58:09] <roycroft> 3d printers are useful for printing 3d printers
[16:58:14] <_methods> and that
[16:58:22] <unfy> heh
[16:58:44] <Jymmm> Hot glue guns at the store are only $2 though
[16:59:00] <_methods> just strap your glue gun to an old cdrom drive
[16:59:04] <_methods> bewm 3d printer
[16:59:17] <CaptHindsight> 3d printers are not just cnc glue guns, it's sad that they are now nearly synonymous
[16:59:27] <os1r1s> We use 3d printers at work to print custom saw guides for surgeries. Something that isn't really practical to machine.
[16:59:30] <roycroft> put along extension cord on your laser printer and toss it out the window while it's printing
[16:59:37] <roycroft> that would be a 3d print would it not?
[17:00:04] <_methods> when i was in school we had one of the old tape 3d printers
[17:00:13] <_methods> that would lay down layers of tape and cut them
[17:00:16] <roycroft> there's a 3d printer on the iss now
[17:00:16] <CaptHindsight> it's FDM that has very limited applications, not 3D printers
[17:00:18] <Jymmm> os1r1s: Are we talking $100 or $80,000 USD 3d printers?
[17:00:22] <roycroft> it recently printed a wrench that they needed
[17:00:24] <Jymmm> $1000*
[17:00:28] <unfy> the video of the large '3d printer' that lays concrete as a way to make buildings quickly ? that's neat.
[17:00:32] <os1r1s> Jymmm: 400k+ ones
[17:00:34] <roycroft> i'd say that's probably a good use of one
[17:00:44] <roycroft> since it would cost many millions of dollars to send a wrench up there
[17:00:44] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Sorry, 80k+. The SLS is 400k+
[17:00:48] <Jymmm> os1r1s: Yeah, those are not hot glue guns =)
[17:00:56] <_methods> nope
[17:01:12] <Jymmm> os1r1s: THOSE are actual real 3D printers and I have no issues with those at all
[17:01:23] <_methods> i'm merely disparaging my hobby printers lol
[17:01:37] <_methods> real 3d printers are another story
[17:01:45] <roycroft> 3d printers keep nerts off the streets and out of the comic book stores
[17:01:50] <roycroft> nerds
[17:01:50] <os1r1s> I use 3d printers or laser cutting for prototyping parts before I machine them.
[17:01:51] <_methods> hahah
[17:01:55] <Jymmm> I've only seen TWO things these hot glueguns have done that are useful
[17:02:00] <roycroft> so it's kind of a public safety thing
[17:02:01] <os1r1s> Its cheaper and quicker.
[17:02:25] <_methods> i agree for testing the fit or shape of a complicated assembly or part
[17:02:28] <CaptHindsight> faux mustaches
[17:02:32] <_methods> hahaha
[17:02:37] <_methods> cyclops glasses.........
[17:02:41] <unfy> building mold parts for metal casting was the other thing -- which someone had a video of how ford or other folks do it...
[17:02:47] <Jymmm> Here's the first useful thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwHo-Ka3dsQ
[17:03:05] <os1r1s> Jymmm: They are actually near me
[17:03:30] <CaptHindsight> why would anyone bother machining cyclops glasses? esp when they are so easily printed?
[17:03:42] <Jymmm> Here is the second...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgNUbsj-5XU
[17:03:51] <_methods> haha
[17:04:01] <os1r1s> Jymmm: We have a shitload of big VMCs and screw machines that we use to make surgical implants out of metal too :)
[17:04:02] <roycroft> i really don't have a problem with any of the 3d printers
[17:04:08] <roycroft> the cheap ones are nice educational toys
[17:04:17] <roycroft> expensive ones can be useful for doing real work
[17:04:26] <_methods> i mainly have a problem with the overhyping of the whole thing
[17:04:27] <roycroft> the problem i have is people who think they can do real work with one of the toy ones
[17:04:37] <roycroft> but that's not a fault of the 3d printer
[17:04:52] <roycroft> it's false expectations on behalf of the user
[17:05:12] <CaptHindsight> it's the snake oil salespeople selling them
[17:05:19] <roycroft> i don't think so
[17:05:21] <roycroft> not really
[17:05:25] <Jymmm> Anyhow, there are the two useful sub $1000 hotglueguns I've seen.
[17:05:30] <Jymmm> those*
[17:05:41] <roycroft> i don't see the low end 3d printer companies saying "buy this and make money with it"
[17:05:47] <Jymmm> and I'm not sure the first one is sub $1000
[17:05:53] <roycroft> it's more like "buy this and you can make cool stuff"
[17:06:03] <Jymmm> s/cool/crap/
[17:06:04] <CaptHindsight> the prices on the other technologies are artificially high due to the patents
[17:06:13] <_methods> my buddy just got that 3d systems hobby one that was under $800
[17:06:19] <_methods> i had actual linear slides in it
[17:06:20] <roycroft> i agree they don't say "but anything you make is going to take hours, and the media is pretty expensive"
[17:06:31] <_methods> s/i/it
[17:06:44] <Jymmm> roycroft: ...and will be crap.
[17:06:49] <roycroft> low end 3d printers are like inkjet printers
[17:06:50] <os1r1s> The SLA printers are as close to the 80k+ ones as I've seen. But they are limited on size.
[17:07:02] <roycroft> cheap, but slow, with expensive media, and poor quality
[17:07:05] <Jymmm> Hell, I'd use polymer clay before 3d printing
[17:07:10] <os1r1s> print as close to the same quality tath is
[17:07:17] <roycroft> higher end ones are like laser printers
[17:07:26] <roycroft> cheaper to operate, and decent quality, but not great quality
[17:07:50] <roycroft> you need real machines to do the machining equivalent of actual typesetting
[17:08:02] <CaptHindsight> you can build an SLA printer using a DLP or LCD projector for a few hundred $$ + projector
[17:08:15] <_methods> sorry i started this with my power supply lol
[17:08:31] <CaptHindsight> if you use ghetto cnc parts <$100
[17:08:43] <unfy> methods: hehe
[17:08:54] <Jymmm> roycroft: Look at that orange box that was 3d printed, how many HOURS did it take to create that as example. and you can see the "tooling marks"
[17:09:08] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers are lower cost than FDM thermoplastics as well
[17:09:24] <os1r1s> This is off my DLP SLA printer ...
http://gallery.mounicou.com/photos/i-rspmRTz/0/L/i-rspmRTz-L.jpg
[17:09:35] <CaptHindsight> unless you use an FDM printer that has it's own pellet to nozzle extruder
[17:09:50] <Jymmm> os1r1s: THAT, I can live with.
[17:10:14] <Jymmm> it's clean, no tool marks, fine detail, etc
[17:10:47] <Jymmm> and no post-finishing work needed.
[17:10:54] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Well, kind of
[17:11:12] <Jymmm> os1r1s: well, from what I can see in a single photo
[17:11:22] <os1r1s> Jymmm: You have to dip it in isopropyl and the uv cure it a bit
[17:11:34] <os1r1s> Jymmm: But it isn't hands on cleanup
[17:11:44] <Jymmm> os1r1s: I mean liek deburgging, sanding, etc.
[17:11:55] <Jymmm> polishing
[17:12:17] <Jymmm> manual labor in other words.
[17:12:24] <os1r1s> Jymmm: Right
[17:12:43] <os1r1s> Anyone here use cubloc devices?
[17:14:41] <_methods> no never tried them
[17:14:43] <_methods> they any good?
[17:15:13] <os1r1s> _methods: I don't know. I'm thinking about getting one to control over modbus.
[17:15:42] <_methods> looks interesting
[17:16:43] <XXCoder1> looks interesting
http://hackaday.com/2014/12/30/3d-printing-technique-friction-welding/#more-142448
[17:18:05] <_methods> looks cheap enough to try out at home
[17:18:11] <_methods> the cublocs
[17:18:19] <_methods> not friction welding lol
[17:18:45] <os1r1s> _methods: They have the starter kit for $29 which looks like similar to an arduino
[17:18:57] <_methods> yeah i don't get that thing
[17:18:59] <os1r1s> And it can do ladder logic and/or basic
[17:19:12] <_methods> yeah that's what i was looking at
[17:19:48] <_methods> no idea what that cb210 thing is supposed to do
[17:19:50] <os1r1s> I think its just their cheapest entry point so you don't have to build a circuit. The ones in the black enclosure look more like something I would use
[17:19:56] <_methods> yeah
[17:20:05] <_methods> they "look" like plc modules
[17:20:37] <_methods> i'd never be able to talk anyone into using it at work
[17:20:58] <_methods> unless its ABB, siemens or mitsubishi or other big player i doubt i'd get it in the door
[17:21:10] <os1r1s> _methods: I don't think my work would either, but it would be cheap enough to play with at home.
[17:21:15] <_methods> yeah
[17:25:57] <_methods> definitely cheap
[17:27:13] <_methods> i might get one to test out i need to make a sandblasting fixture/machine
[17:27:20] <_methods> that might work perfect for it
[17:27:53] <Jymmm> That's a funny looking dog…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rZTZBOrqQ
[17:28:19] <_methods> hahah
[17:28:23] <_methods> put down the bear
[17:28:59] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ovXnZcb_A
[17:48:15] <Loetmichel> soo after wife has seen all the fireworks: happy new year everyone from germany!
[17:51:39] <zeeshan|2> i bought too much
[17:51:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:51:41] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[17:51:47] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15974046587/in/photostream/
[17:51:52] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/in/photostream/
[17:52:43] <Rab> zeeshan|2, $300 for the lathe?
[17:52:46] <zeeshan|2> yea
[17:52:51] <_methods> wow
[17:52:56] <_methods> that's the score of all scores
[17:52:56] <zeeshan|2> the mill im not revealing the price for
[17:52:59] <zeeshan|2> cause im gonna flip it
[17:53:05] <zeeshan|2> :)
[17:53:14] <Rab> zeeshan|2, that's crazy. How are you going to fit everything into your garage?
[17:53:25] <zeeshan|2> rab, the mill is going in dad's container
[17:53:28] <zeeshan|2> and so is the cnc mill
[17:53:30] <zeeshan|2> er
[17:53:32] <zeeshan|2> cnc lathe
[17:53:36] <zeeshan|2> im gonna cnc this monarch
[17:53:40] <Rab> zeeshan|2, awesome.
[17:53:55] <zeeshan|2> the mill should be easy to move
[17:53:58] <zeeshan|2> but im not sure how to move this lathe
[17:54:02] <Rab> zeeshan|2, see what I got for free in California?
http://i.imgur.com/zrAClUY.jpg
[17:54:04] <zeeshan|2> he doesnt have a forklift at his end
[17:54:10] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[17:54:11] <zeeshan|2> nice
[17:54:16] <zeeshan|2> those are powerful too!
[17:54:42] <zeeshan|2> can i has
[17:54:51] <Rab> Yeah, they're beefy. There were six, but I could only fit five into my luggage...TSA went crazy.
[17:54:57] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:55:25] <Rab> The sixth squeaked when rotating shaft by hand, so I figured it might not be worth it.
[17:55:46] <zeeshan|2> bearing?
[17:56:06] <SpeedEvil> yeah - bearing should be easily replacable
[17:56:10] <Rab> Yeah, could probably be rebuilt. It's still in CA if you want to pay shipping. ;)
[17:56:56] <zeeshan|2> my friend is leaving sacramento tomorrow
[17:57:00] <zeeshan|2> and flying back here :P
[17:57:14] <zeeshan|2> are there any surplus places there?
[17:57:56] <Rab> The servo is in Oakland, it's a bit of a stretch.
[17:58:17] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15974045957/in/photostream/
[17:58:20] <zeeshan|2> this is the biggest grinder ive seen
[17:58:26] <Rab> There are surplus places down south, in Silicon Valley. Halted Electronics is one.
[17:58:26] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt wanna be near that thing if the wheel explodes
[17:58:50] <zeeshan|2> ah
[17:59:38] <Rab> They're unreasonably proud of any industrial stuff IMO. eBay has better deals.
[18:00:48] <Rab> What are the specs on that lathe?
[18:03:19] <zeeshan|2> swing 20"
[18:03:22] <zeeshan|2> center 72"
[18:03:57] <zeeshan|2> it needs a good cleanup
[19:06:21] <roycroft> we had a grinder that big at the community college shop where i took my machining courses
[19:06:33] <roycroft> i never used it - it was rather intimidating
[19:06:54] <roycroft> and the smaller grinders could easily handle anything i needed to do
[19:35:29] <unfy> big machines always scare the bejesus out of me :D
[19:35:46] <unfy> "how much weight is moving at what speed or being held in place by what?.... no thanks, i'm out of here"
[19:40:18] <furrywolf> and yet you drive on roads populated by far bigger machines with far less reliable control systems...
[19:41:20] <roycroft> they should, unfy
[19:41:32] <roycroft> if you don't have a healthy respect for big machines you should not go near them
[19:41:46] <unfy> furry: actually, i didn't start driving until i was in my early 30's :D
[19:42:11] <furrywolf> ... you'd better not be a pothead hippie or something. :P
[19:42:39] <unfy> lol. no :D
[19:43:44] <furrywolf> just got my replacement breakout board... it's identical, right down to the same counterfeit caps.
[19:44:18] <unfy> heh
[19:44:36] <furrywolf> should I use it, and hope these are less prone to exploding than the last one (i.e. it was just one even more defective than usual), or recap it first?
[19:46:47] <unfy> $15 breakout board powering how expensive drivers ?
[19:47:14] <furrywolf> $700/each, if you buy them new.
[19:47:24] <unfy> recap the board :D
[19:48:26] <furrywolf> ok, will make trip to ratshack tomorrow. I know I have the caps, but I know that if I value my time at anything, it's cheaper to buy new ones than look for the ones I have. heh.
[19:50:54] <unfy> 18 months ago, i knocked over a ~50 bin small parts cabinet. swept it all up and put it in a box to decide later if to sort or trash. about 6 months ago I decided to sort it all instead. Took *forever*
[19:52:09] <furrywolf> I have that problem, doubly... my stuff could often be better organized... buy last year I got a large lot of electronics parts cheap, and someone decided they wanted to keep some of the bins they were neatly organized into, and dumped some of them together...
[19:52:18] <roycroft> breeding for the slave labor almost seems easier than that, unfy
[19:52:46] <furrywolf> I got ~10 neat organizer bins (the kind with a bunch of pull-out drawers), and two boxes packed solid of stuff they dumped out of the other ten bins.
[19:52:59] <unfy> roy: i was at a stressful time and the sorting was somewhat soothing.
[19:53:11] <roycroft> yeah, it can be kind of zen
[19:53:16] <roycroft> if you approach it that way
[19:53:40] <furrywolf> there's some neat stuff in there... lots of pre-purchased assortments. like a big kit of different switches, ten to a drawer, complete... a complete 4000 series cmos kit... etc.
[19:54:05] <unfy> there were some inductors and caps that were axial resistor looking that i just dumped instead of dealing with... but yeah, it was nice.
[19:54:58] <unfy> furry: neat
[19:55:35] <furrywolf> got the whole lot for $20.
[19:56:07] <furrywolf> one of these days I want to start a hackerspace (though under a less-stupid name), and there's some excellent supplies in there for it.
[19:56:50] <unfy> i've considered a few similar things. such as one for hand loading ammo and such
[20:02:10] * furrywolf has never wanted to handload ammo. heh
[20:02:18] <unfy> something that i've not worked out yet -- surface mount parts storage
[20:02:53] <unfy> i suppose if you buy things in reels it's not such a big deal ... but being just a hobbyist... yeah... not so much
[20:03:44] <furrywolf> what's wrong with organizer bins?
[20:03:53] <furrywolf> get ones with reallllly little drawers. :)
[20:04:21] <unfy> http://www.arrownac.com/services-tools/breaking-tape-and-reel/images/tape-72dpi.jpg
[20:04:35] <unfy> they'll come in stuff like this. which i suppose you could just cut into strips and neatly lay in the bins
[20:05:25] <furrywolf> yeah, I've bought parts on cut tape before.
[20:05:51] <furrywolf> I generally avoid smt... my paws are not compatible with parts that small.
[20:06:19] <unfy> i've been moving to smt just so that i don't have to fight with drilling so many infernal holes
[20:06:30] <unfy> granted, my first use of CNC will be as a PCB drill :D
[20:07:32] <furrywolf> don't forget you can mill pcbs too.
[20:07:45] <unfy> i've been pretty happy with my etchant setup so far
[20:08:06] <unfy> granted, the $70 ebay kit would have been simpler as a start heh
[20:08:41] <Tom_shop> i use a bubble tank when i do my own
[20:09:16] <unfy> cut / built own bubble tank, have a heater. using CuCl as etchant
[20:09:41] <Tom_shop> i use sodium persulphate or ammonium persulphate
[20:09:54] <unfy> toner transfer with laminator & laser foil
[20:10:42] <Tom_shop> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch_index.php
[20:10:43] <unfy> (but i'm doing one offs - anything of 10 or more boards would undoubtedly go to a production house)
[20:11:15] <unfy> my tank is far uglier but built for speed
[20:11:22] <unfy> rather, speed of proof of concept
[20:11:31] <unfy> being as ugly as it is, there are no pics for it :D
[20:11:39] <Tom_shop> i preheat the etchant in a hot water bath
[20:11:50] <Tom_shop> don't need a heater
[20:12:09] <furrywolf> I never got toner transfer to work.
[20:12:11] <unfy> my intial testing was with a large tub that i would use a tea kettle to get hot water into
[20:12:37] <unfy> furry: with fecl, it shouldn't have been too hard
[20:12:54] <unfy> and the hot water would then heat the etchant, much like how you heat yours, tom
[20:13:29] <furrywolf> I never got good transfer... it'd have gaps, or it'd stick to the paper better than the board, or it just wouldn't melt no matter how hot I got it, or it'd smear, or... every time a failure.
[20:13:35] <unfy> but, i don't wanna mess with the hot water stuff - so i just spent the $25 or whatever on a heater.
[20:14:35] <unfy> furry: i have somewhat okay luck with hp glossy laser paper. glossy inkjest was so/so. in the end - i use some midwayusa (glossy catalog) paper taped to plain paper
[20:15:05] <unfy> (recent model cheap brother laser printer, still on starter toner cartridge)
[20:15:59] <unfy> the laminator approach has prolly helped in transfer. was a $16 new thing off ebay in the next town over.
[20:16:19] <Tom_shop> i use an iron
[20:17:10] <unfy> i've been building a uv led exposure box that's kind of a mix of the instructable and some other one. hoping to make use of solder mask too etc
[20:17:47] <unfy> i did a simiar thing for my bubble hose retention, tom, btw :D
[20:18:41] <unfy> i'll drill a hole in small piece of wood or pvc and use it to position LED's for soldering on perf board
[20:24:02] * furrywolf curls up and yawns
[20:31:51] <furrywolf> I hate new years.
[20:32:11] <furrywolf> I like going to bed at a reasonable hour. tonight, everyone in the neighborhood will be making loud noise all fucking night.
[20:32:35] <unfy> 20:11 here, and folks have already started here by work ._.
[20:33:14] <furrywolf> ?
[20:33:24] <furrywolf> oh, you're at work.
[20:33:24] <malcom2073> I'm thankful that I don't live in a neighborhood, so I can go to bed at a resonable hour :P
[20:33:30] <unfy> combined thoughts, sorry
[20:33:41] <furrywolf> malcom: you'd be amazed how far the noise of automatic weapons travels.
[20:34:48] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I have quite a few, no amazement needed, fortunatly though people don't shoot anything off other than fireworks around here, and those are far enough away not to bother me
[20:35:04] <malcom2073> Well not automatic, but yeah
[20:36:48] <furrywolf> firearms are popular around here, and some people seem to have waaaaay too much money to spend on ammo. do you know how expensive it is to run through twenty clips in a row these days? heh
[20:37:05] <unfy> that's why you load your own
[20:37:18] <furrywolf> and I don't mean the stupid california legal ones. no one actually has those.
[20:37:53] <furrywolf> even .22lr is too expensive to plink with...
[20:37:55] <malcom2073> Heh, man... if someone tried to fire off weapons into the air, the farmers would be all over them faster than the police could get there, keeps things pretty quiet.
[20:39:19] <furrywolf> ... why would the police or farmers be bothering people shooting on their own private property?
[20:39:43] <renesis> because cops?
[20:39:47] <furrywolf> it's your land, if you want to line up crap on a stump and waste a thousand bucks of ammo, that's your right.
[20:40:41] <furrywolf> if you do it in a populated area, you'll probably get a noise complaint, but on new year's eve, unlikely...
[20:42:51] <renesis> cops dont care about your right?
[20:44:48] <furrywolf> of course they don't, but unless they see an opportunity to sieze cash, they're not responding either.
[20:56:47] <renesis> furrywolf: i dont think they make much money busting poor people
[20:56:55] <renesis> which is like, their #1 pasttime
[20:57:34] <unfy> i was facing a lawsuit but hadn't been served because i moved like 9 months earlier etc etc etc... so i went through court documents to try to find out what was going on
[20:58:09] <unfy> when doing so, i came across a lot of court orders adjusting the price of ... like... "adult drug court costs" etc. it seems a lot of that was $600-$900 a month.
[20:58:18] <unfy> how on earth is a dirt bag supposed to afford that?
[21:09:33] <renesis> theyre not
[21:09:47] <renesis> so they go to jail, and some private company makes money off them
[21:10:14] <roycroft> and when you get out of jail you still have to pay the money
[21:31:06] <_methods> the only better slaves are the morons with 5 kids from 5 diff mothers
[21:31:17] <_methods> child support slaves
[21:34:57] <_methods> i have a hard time feeling sorry for them
[21:37:01] <furrywolf> grrrrr. someone up the road is being even louder than normal. I'd guess ~1lb of black powder per boom...
[21:37:59] <_methods> it's horrible here in south carolina they'll be shootin fireworks all wknd
[21:39:03] <_methods> blowin money up
[21:41:33] <furrywolf> ... wtf. that last boom hurt my ears. I'd estimate it's ~1mi away.
[21:41:52] <furrywolf> I'm inside, and all the windows are closed, and shades shut.
[21:44:02] <furrywolf> it was sharp too, more like a proper high explosive than black powder.
[21:45:04] <_methods> hehe not some silly low order explosion
[21:47:00] * furrywolf likes quiet, and sleep. (and lots of other things, but those are most relevant to tonight.)
[21:48:04] <_methods> i get no sleep till the fireworks end
[21:48:10] <_methods> my dog is scared to death of them
[21:48:57] <furrywolf> yeah, lots of dogs barking after that last boom.
[21:51:02] <zeeshan|2> happy new year everyone
[21:51:12] <zeeshan|2> im a bit early, but you guys might be gone :)
[21:51:18] * furrywolf isn't happy
[21:51:24] <zeeshan|2> why
[21:51:49] <PetefromTn_> Happy New Year Zeeshan and Everyone on LinuxCNC IRC!
[21:51:57] <zeeshan|2> hey pete!
[21:51:58] <zeeshan|2> :D
[21:52:05] <PetefromTn_> :D
[21:52:08] <zeeshan|2> is your wife making you a cheese cake
[21:52:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah she did actually but we have some key lime pie and other goodies so I am going to be eating other stuff tonight LOL...
[21:52:39] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of starting the new year with a delicious good ol rib steak
[21:52:54] <zeeshan|2> nice
[21:53:04] * furrywolf wants cheesecake! (and wouldn't mind a wife either, but mature, intelligent, sane, practical women who like wolfies and are good with a strapon are really hard to find...)
[21:53:19] <zeeshan|2> p
[21:53:24] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: howd you move your lathe?
[21:53:28] <zeeshan|2> i can't figure out a cheap way to move this big ass lathe
[21:53:30] <PetefromTn_> we are just doing our usual snackfest with the kids and waiting for the stroke of midnight LOL
[21:53:35] <zeeshan|2> i likely wont be able to get it :(
[21:53:51] <PetefromTn_> I moved it in the shop with my engine crane
[21:54:00] <zeeshan|2> how much does it weigh??
[21:54:02] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU
[21:54:04] <PetefromTn_> they loaded it on their end with a big fork truck
[21:54:13] <PetefromTn_> like 4k or so I think.
[21:54:17] <zeeshan|2> that's the problem, this guy's forklift is broken
[21:54:26] <zeeshan|2> he expects me to hire someone to load it
[21:54:42] <PetefromTn_> Don't you already have a CNC lathe?
[21:54:46] <zeeshan|2> i do
[21:54:48] <zeeshan|2> but this one is bigger
[21:55:02] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of cncing it
[21:55:07] <PetefromTn_> its not CNC?
[21:55:18] <zeeshan|2> but realistically, other than it being more sturdy, and being able to machien larger stuff
[21:55:20] <zeeshan|2> it has no benefits
[21:55:26] <furrywolf> call your local rental equipment company and see about a forklift rental. or call any local company that handles heavy equipment and ask what they'd charge to pick it up.
[21:55:27] <zeeshan|2> so i need to be more realistic..
[21:55:31] <PetefromTn_> what kind of lathe is it.
[21:55:34] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: 350.. per day
[21:55:42] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537466654/
[21:55:45] <zeeshan|2> big ol monarch
[21:55:58] <furrywolf> do you have a truck or trailer that can support it?
[21:56:02] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:56:03] <PetefromTn_> WOW that's gonna be a heavy bitch
[21:56:18] <zeeshan|2> this guy only wants 300$ for the machine
[21:56:24] <zeeshan|2> so it makes no sense to spent over 1000 on moving it
[21:56:28] <zeeshan|2> and do i really need it? no.
[21:56:35] <zeeshan|2> is it nice to have, hell yes :(
[21:56:36] <voxadam> That's a nice machine
[21:56:48] <_methods> yeah that's a no brainer
[21:56:51] <zeeshan|2> if someone else is near toronto and is interested, i can forward you the info..
[21:56:51] <_methods> even to just flip it
[21:56:55] <zeeshan|2> im gonna have to pass on it
[21:56:56] <furrywolf> u-haul will rent you a trailer cheap enough, so you need to work on loading/unloading. 4klbs is within the capacity of an inexpensive rental engine hoist. rent u-haul, rent hoist, load,...
[21:56:57] <PetefromTn_> honestly if all you want to do is CNC it there are probably better machines out there.
[21:56:57] <zeeshan|2> it hurts so much
[21:57:06] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: $300!!!
[21:57:11] <voxadam> If the ways and screws are in decent condition it'd be worth it.
[21:57:13] <zeeshan|2> i'm not kidding!
[21:57:16] <_methods> besides it's criminal to cnc that
[21:57:23] <zeeshan|2> voxadam: they are
[21:57:26] <zeeshan|2> i test ran the machine
[21:57:32] <zeeshan|2> its a functioning manual machine
[21:57:45] <zeeshan|2> it leaks a bit of oil from the gear box
[21:57:47] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of great buys on older machines out there man. that is nice but it is a really large machine too... very heavy
[21:58:00] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this machine is on ebay for 6500-12k
[21:58:09] <zeeshan|2> but even after considering ebays inflation
[21:58:14] <zeeshan|2> i'd think these would go for at least 3k?
[21:58:15] <PetefromTn_> then buy it, and deal with moving it..
[21:58:27] <voxadam> My father recently bought this for his home shop.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/myzihz0nn8ckj1b/mori.jpg?dl=0
[21:58:31] <furrywolf> do you think it's going to take multiple days to move it? 350/day isn't entirely unreasonable.
[21:58:38] <furrywolf> if that includes all costs
[21:58:51] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: another 500 for flatbed delivery
[21:59:00] <furrywolf> ah
[21:59:04] <PetefromTn_> how far away is it from you?
[21:59:11] <zeeshan|2> 80 miles
[21:59:19] <zeeshan|2> 60 miles
[21:59:23] <zeeshan|2> (sorry im not good with the conversion)
[21:59:31] <PetefromTn_> you might be able to get a local rollback wrecker to deliver it like I did
[21:59:33] <voxadam> It's a Mori Seki MV40 with a nice ATC. He got it for less than five grand.
[21:59:36] <furrywolf> call local moving places, or post an ad on craigslist asking if there's anyone in the area that'll load it on your trailer (rental) for a few bucks/alcohol.
[21:59:52] <PetefromTn_> they can winch it up onto the truck and move it and even set it if you have enough room on both ends
[21:59:55] <zeeshan|2> is there any way you can get a flatbed with a forklift on it ?
[22:00:08] <furrywolf> you can also try lumber companies with self-loading trucks
[22:00:18] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the roll back wrecker said 350-500 bux
[22:00:23] <zeeshan|2> and he can slide it into my garage
[22:00:31] <zeeshan|2> but the problem is, there is no way to pick it up from the guy
[22:00:33] <furrywolf> that's not too bad.
[22:00:36] <PetefromTn_> that is reasonable for that kind of distance
[22:00:36] <zeeshan|2> hes got it buried in the back
[22:00:46] <zeeshan|2> so i need to get a forklift somehow
[22:00:49] <furrywolf> jack + two layers of 1" plywood + wooden dowels
[22:01:11] <PetefromTn_> rent some machine skates and buy a HF hydraulic kit
[22:01:24] <furrywolf> same way you move safes. :)
[22:01:33] <zeeshan|2> i have machine skates and a hydraulic jack lift thing
[22:01:40] <zeeshan|2> but i think it will still be hard to do
[22:01:45] <PetefromTn_> we moved my Cincinatti with that and it was not too bad
[22:01:47] <zeeshan|2> cause of where the machine is
[22:01:59] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15537464954/
[22:02:05] <zeeshan|2> i think im just gonna buy this from him
[22:02:09] <PetefromTn_> just go slow and careful and use cribbage under it when you get it up in stages
[22:02:10] <zeeshan|2> me and my friend can move that with an engine hoist
[22:02:15] <furrywolf> look for other local businesses that might be within drive-forklift-on-street-to-his-place range.
[22:02:19] <voxadam> Such a cute little mill.
[22:02:28] <zeeshan|2> voxadam: $200
[22:02:33] <voxadam> Not bad.
[22:02:41] <PetefromTn_> I bought one for $300.00
[22:02:43] <zeeshan|2> can't let this one go for sure
[22:02:53] <zeeshan|2> this one has powerfeed and stuff on it
[22:02:59] <voxadam> It would be an easy conversion for lightweight work.
[22:03:24] <zeeshan|2> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/milling-drilling-machine-1-5hp-cx-series.html
[22:03:26] <zeeshan|2> same machine
[22:03:48] <furrywolf> moving/storage companies, soda distributors, machine shops, wreckers/junkyards, warehouses for just about anything, costco/etc, all sorts of businesses have forklifts...
[22:04:20] <furrywolf> I always find it amusing for some reason when I see the local cocacola warehouse making deliveries by driving their forklift on the open road. :)
[22:05:09] <furrywolf> see what businesses are in the local area, and if you can bribe some low-level person to take the forklift down the road and load it.
[22:05:17] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:05:26] <zeeshan|2> thats the best man.
[22:05:35] <zeeshan|2> last time i did that locally near my house, it only cost me $40
[22:06:21] <furrywolf> right. so rent a trailer, find someone local to the machine to help with loading, get it home, find someone local to you to unload,...
[22:07:29] <furrywolf> roofing companies might have boom loaders while sign companies and tree companies might have boom trucks with sufficient lifting capability, if these's access for vehicles into the building
[22:08:36] <furrywolf> also, if you can jack it up enough to get plywood under it, you might just be able to drag it with a car, if he has a smooth concrete floor...
[22:08:55] <furrywolf> pull the plywood, not the machine!
[22:10:59] * furrywolf is a redneck
[22:16:28] <furrywolf> I wish I had room for toys like that. I barely have room for my china mill-drill combo machine, and that's in a storage unit, not at home...
[22:16:50] <zeeshan|2> i dont have room
[22:16:50] <zeeshan|2> :/
[22:16:53] <zeeshan|2> id need to make some
[22:19:12] <furrywolf> hrmm, I really should buy myself a toy for christmas... (of the under-bed variety, not cnc variety)
[22:19:42] <zeeshan|2> ??
[22:21:03] <furrywolf> I was thinking about not having room for toys and having to keep them in a storage unit because there's no space in my house, then I thought that I do indeed have toys in the house, just a very different variety.... then I remembered I was annoyed no one got me anything at all for christmas...
[23:00:11] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[23:18:31] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/gwZGDQH problems when sawing
[23:18:52] <humble_sea_bass> Hapy New Year
http://irclo.gr/i/163068/No-Matter-What.jpg
[23:30:13] <CaptHindsight> oh god, yikes!
[23:31:18] <CaptHindsight> perfect for an xmas card
