#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-27

[03:33:43] <Deejay> moin
[04:50:32] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[07:01:48] <jthornton> morning
[07:04:15] <SpeedEvil> Morning
[07:32:59] <archivist> blokes sport synchonised hammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uvOgWapG2g&feature=player_embedded
[07:38:27] <archivist> that came from http://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/21674-bridge-anvils/
[07:40:30] <Jymmm> JEEBUS!!!! All four of them at it too!
[07:40:42] <Jymmm> OSHA Approved of course =)
[07:41:10] <Jymmm> WTF?! Sledge hammers when they have a power hammer?!
[07:42:16] <Jymmm> again, with the sledge hammers???
[07:43:35] <Jymmm> and not one pair of gloves between them all
[07:44:04] <Jymmm> surprised they have aprons
[07:47:41] <archivist> look at second link further down, about 8 all at once
[09:09:24] <The_Ball> woho, did my first g33.1 rigid tap
[09:17:59] <mrsun> Congratz! .. i hope :P
[09:18:15] <PetefromTn_> awesome
[09:24:52] <The_Ball> 3d printed encoder disc, 36 holes with optical quadrature setup, so 144 pulses, seems to work pretty good
[09:25:35] <PetefromTn_> what kind of machine is this?
[09:26:03] <The_Ball> it's the basic Chinese round column mill
[09:26:13] <PetefromTn_> RF31?
[09:26:30] <The_Ball> yeah, that looks like it
[09:26:53] <PetefromTn_> nice...I had one of those awhile back. It was actually a pretty nice machine.
[09:27:17] <PetefromTn_> Kinda wish I had not sold it now it would have made a great little manual mill to go alongside my Cincinatti Arrow.
[09:27:17] <The_Ball> it's been well worth it to learn on, i've had it for many many years now
[09:28:32] <PetefromTn_> what did you rigid tap in?
[09:28:40] <The_Ball> just some alu
[09:29:14] <The_Ball> I filmed it, it's in Norwegian as I filmed it for my father; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A512PnqUUpI
[09:30:16] <G0704cnc> hi
[09:31:12] <G0704cnc> someone know what to do about new ballscrew that come with a-loot of dents?
[09:31:36] <_methods> send it back?
[09:31:38] <PetefromTn_> nice job man..
[09:32:23] <The_Ball> cheers :)
[09:32:40] <G0704cnc> someone order from automationtechnologies?
[09:32:54] <PetefromTn_> I always seem to forget that people here are from all over the world it is kinda cool to know that this same stuff I am doing in my shop is being done by others on the other side of the planet and we can talk right now about it LOL
[09:33:38] <The_Ball> haha, yeah, I live in Australia btw
[09:33:52] <G0704cnc> from youtube thay looks nice but all the ballscres have dents, and 2 of tham bant
[09:34:00] <PetefromTn_> sweet... G'day mate! hehe
[09:34:15] <PetefromTn_> is that a 12x36 asian lathe?
[09:34:27] <The_Ball> I'm building a fourth axis, any opinions on how much centre hight I should shoot for? currently I'm arounc 200mm but seems a little high... https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=66c4f02a9759df882e74af61aeea92d6
[09:35:12] <G0704cnc> _methods: you familiar with automation technologies?
[09:35:20] <PetefromTn_> is that a harmonic drive unit?
[09:35:22] <archivist> when you have 4 you find a need for 5 :)
[09:35:28] <_methods> yes i've ordered from them before why?
[09:35:44] <_methods> they used to be keiling?
[09:36:05] <archivist> The_Ball, that vertical support plate seems thin
[09:36:28] <G0704cnc> _methods: we also order from tham the conversion kit. but the ballscres are totaly defective
[09:36:40] <_methods> i would send them back then
[09:36:49] <G0704cnc> make shredding noise,
[09:37:10] <PetefromTn_> LOL SHredding noise is NOT something I look for in a ballscrew
[09:37:37] <G0704cnc> have 1mm runout if you roll the ballscrew on flat serface
[09:37:58] <The_Ball> archivist, that's why I'm thinking of dropping the vertical centre height, it's 10mm steel
[09:38:12] <G0704cnc> you can see it bow shape with the eye,
[09:38:35] <The_Ball> PetefromTn_, It's a direct drive rotary motor
[09:38:58] <G0704cnc> I'm soo upset
[09:39:21] <The_Ball> G0704cnc, sorry to hear that, that sucks
[09:40:35] <G0704cnc> _methods: and also one of the bullnut make noises whan you sake it, so i take it a part, and threre is missing balls,
[09:40:40] <G0704cnc> soo upset!
[09:40:40] <_methods> i'm sure automation tech will gladly send you new ones
[09:41:10] <G0704cnc> Thay have good customer serveis?
[09:41:31] <_methods> yes i believe so
[09:41:46] <_methods> i'm sure many people in here have bought from them over the years
[09:42:28] <G0704cnc> I hope.. We make very big purchase
[09:43:10] <_methods> i'm actually a bit supriesed they don't have a rep in here
[09:43:43] <archivist> did you get dirt in/on the screw
[09:44:08] <G0704cnc> what do you mean by dirt ?
[09:44:56] <G0704cnc> like dust?
[09:45:08] <archivist> yes
[09:45:37] <archivist> dust and grit is fatal to smooth running
[09:45:42] <G0704cnc> NO, i take it out of the bubbel rap and it make grrrrrrrrr noises,
[09:45:59] <archivist> return it
[09:46:51] <G0704cnc> so I've look at the screw closly and i see tooons of dents like someone with visegrip clamp it all the way,
[09:48:57] <G0704cnc> I thike it happan whan thay do the machining for the ends thay dont use some protective layer between the chak and the ballscrew.
[09:49:56] <G0704cnc> It's look like really rough job :(
[09:53:51] <The_Ball> archivist, did you have an opinion on the vertical height for a forth axis?
[10:04:09] <Loetmichel> *hmm* that christmas ham is disintegrating fast... its just tooo tasty ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15463
[10:05:50] <PetefromTn_> neat is that a dried or cured ham?
[10:10:38] <Tom_itx> i got stuff from them when it was keelinginc
[10:10:43] <Tom_itx> pretty good luck
[10:11:53] <Tom_itx> G0704cnc, they probably let the new guy machine the ends for you
[10:18:45] <The_Ball> Loetmichel, yum, is that salted leg of lam?
[10:19:39] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: pig
[10:19:53] <ssi> "leg of pig" doesn't sound as elegant :D
[10:19:55] <Loetmichel> serrano ham
[10:20:28] <The_Ball> interesting, looks good, salted leg of lamb is a norwegian tradition I grew up with
[10:20:38] <Loetmichel> was the chistmas gift from my parents in law
[10:20:45] <Loetmichel> will not last long i fear
[10:21:21] <furrywolf> no one got me any presents at all.
[10:21:59] <The_Ball> furrywolf, that's a great excuse to get your own
[10:25:12] <ssi> I just bought myself a present :P
[10:27:05] <furrywolf> if anyone wants to get me presents, I'd love a mesa 7i76e, a toughbook cf-52 wuxga i5, a WetForHer Four, a dana 70 23 spline detroit locker, umm...
[10:34:31] <Loetmichel> harhar, helped out some newbie with a few credits in Elite: dangerous... scooping the cargo up looks funny... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw1Ft5Rr8Mo
[10:35:25] <furrywolf> the wetforher four is the cheapest of those, if you only want to get me a budget gift. :P
[10:35:34] <ssi> Adjective: Adjective
[10:40:44] <furrywolf> bah, no cnc toys, laptop toys, sex toys, or car toys? :(
[10:40:56] <ssi> go find your own! D:
[10:41:05] <furrywolf> heh
[10:45:07] <CaptHindsight> G0704cnc: that is very common with ballscrews from China, Automation Tech is pretty good about returns
[10:46:56] <CaptHindsight> I've gotten bearings with detents, crunchy bearings with rail, motors with the wrong size mounting holes, well basically all sorts of parts that are machined poorly or bearings full of dirt
[10:47:25] <CaptHindsight> you tend to get what you pay for
[10:48:45] <ssi> aint that the truth
[10:48:48] <furrywolf> my chinese breakout board exploded before I finished setting the step rates.
[10:49:38] <ssi> they'll do that
[10:49:49] <ssi> my first electronics setup was a hobbycnc deal, and it blew up pretty early
[10:49:54] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: yes, they come without docs and have jumpers that can get you to short power to ground pretty easily
[10:50:28] <furrywolf> literally, not just electrically. well, it was more of a pressure vessel rupture than a detonation, so not quite literally...
[10:50:37] <CaptHindsight> I have RE'd a few and the jumpers often make no sense
[10:50:56] <ssi> if you add up the hobbycnc and gecko hardware that's died in my presence, it costs more than a mesa kit and good leadshine drivers
[10:51:42] <furrywolf> nah, either a defective cap, or a defective lm317 knockoff overvolted the cap... the filter cap for the internal 10v supply to the optos went boom, hard enough to bend nearby parts away...
[10:51:54] <furrywolf> aren't geckos supposed to be good?
[10:51:56] <DaViruz> my first was a hobbycnc as well, i scrapped it though because i didn't think it performed very well
[10:52:08] <DaViruz> or rather i think i sold it for cheap to someone here
[10:52:20] <jthornton> I like the G203v and G251 but don't like the G540
[10:52:33] <furrywolf> I got centent drivers from the same person as geckos, and they seem decent...
[10:52:44] <furrywolf> (centent was his company before gecko)
[10:53:04] <CaptHindsight> I use any leftover tb65xx for paperweights
[10:54:06] <DaViruz> the leadshine stuff looks pretty interesting
[10:54:15] <CaptHindsight> I only buy from Automation Tech since they are local and I test everything before I drive away
[10:54:20] <archivist> The_Ball, often not enough and then again to high, all depends on what you are making, and available Z travel
[10:54:43] * furrywolf doesn't have enough money to buy new things, and only buys used or cheap
[10:55:24] <furrywolf> no local tech here of any kind... you can't even buy an endmill locally, much less machine parts.
[10:56:20] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: what are your local chief exports?
[10:56:38] <DaViruz> ..then again maybe not, only step/dir inputs
[10:57:01] <furrywolf> capt: marijuana.
[10:58:11] <furrywolf> we have ~50 hydroponics stores and =0 automation stores. :P
[11:01:30] <PetefromTn_> alaska?
[11:01:33] <furrywolf> there's some remaining timber industry, but realisticly, pot is the vast majority of our export.
[11:01:38] <furrywolf> humboldt county, california
[11:02:43] <PetefromTn_> Used to live in Norcal
[11:02:56] <PetefromTn_> have family in laws that live up in redding and red bluff
[11:03:07] <furrywolf> a 2011 study found marijuana sales amounted to 26% of our entire economy... it's gotten much worse since then, since several of the few remaining mills have closed, and the fishing industry failed.
[11:03:09] <PetefromTn_> there is indeed industry there believe it or not
[11:03:49] <PetefromTn_> my brother in law works for a guy who has a decent job shop he started with a CNC mill and Lathe in his garage
[11:04:09] <PetefromTn_> now he has several Mori VMC's and some nice CNC lathes in a large building there.
[11:05:19] <furrywolf> if I were to make a current guess, rather than 26% of the economy, it's now closer to 50%.
[11:05:26] <furrywolf> maybe higher
[11:06:08] <furrywolf> timber sales have been crap, and the last two crab harvests were total failures...
[11:06:09] <PetefromTn_> well with the increase in LEGAL marijuana sales in Colorado and other places that will probably increase... Maybe you should be on the marijuana growing IRC instead LOL
[11:06:21] * furrywolf doesn't like marijuana
[11:06:53] <CaptHindsight> just grow it, you don't have to use it or enjoy it
[11:07:58] <PetefromTn_> It's funny, years ago in the Coast Guard I worked alongside DEA guys who fought and died to STOP this stuff from coming in. Now we are growing it and it is legal in some places. Go figure...
[11:08:57] <CaptHindsight> the war on drugs was another war against the boogieman
[11:09:08] <furrywolf> heh, another study found 17% students at the local uni worked in marijuana cultivation.
[11:09:14] <furrywolf> % of
[11:09:37] <furrywolf> pete: the war on drugs has never been anything but a waste of money and lives.
[11:09:52] <PetefromTn_> well it certainly was futile
[11:10:20] <PetefromTn_> but if you have ever served during the process you would probably feel differently.
[11:10:50] <CaptHindsight> but the people here don't seem to care enough to push back against it, now it's hyper-paranoid surveillance
[11:11:09] <furrywolf> I don't use any drugs, and I wouldn't even if they were legal... but I still believe the war on drugs is completely and utterly idiotic. billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives (if you include the people jailed, killed in gang violence, etc) ruined to accomplish exactly nothing, since I still can get any drug I want anywhere I want.
[11:11:23] <CaptHindsight> like the war on terror
[11:12:15] <furrywolf> pete: they're only smuggling drugs because of the war on drugs. if they were legal, the price would plummet, and the incentive to smuggle them would vanish. the easiest way to eliminate drug cartels is to legalize drugs.
[11:12:33] <PetefromTn_> yup thats the arguement
[11:13:19] <furrywolf> other countries have taken the opposite approach, and instead spend the money on education, treatment, social programs, job skills programs, etc, so people don't want to do drugs... and they have a lower drug addict rate, lower crime rates,...
[11:14:09] <furrywolf> it's economics... the war on drugs is keeping prices high. we're directly responsible for all the money those cartels make. heh.
[11:14:31] <CaptHindsight> the problem here is that popular opinion is considered fact by most people, you can't reason with them, they have lost the ability to think critically
[11:14:58] <CaptHindsight> they deny facts that conflict with popular opinion
[11:15:25] <furrywolf> capt: just mention religion if you really want proof of that. :P
[11:15:43] <PetefromTn_> Personally I am proud of what we did. I also was involved quite heavily in the Haitian and Cuban refugee work as well as the many thousands of Search and Rescue and natural disaster operations.
[11:16:21] <furrywolf> just because I support a major change in drug policy doesn't mean I don't support search and rescue, you know. :P
[11:16:43] <CaptHindsight> church, schools, guberment, they all have double standards and operate outside the realm of facts
[11:16:49] <furrywolf> I figure that at least marijuana will be legal in the near future.
[11:17:18] <furrywolf> which I'm somewhat conflicted over... because as soon as it is, the local economy is going to entirely collapse.
[11:17:39] <furrywolf> we can't have 50% of our economy vanish overnight
[11:17:51] <PetefromTn_> why work when you can sit on the couch and smoke a doobie?
[11:18:40] <furrywolf> the people who want to sit on the couch and get high are already sitting on the couch and getting high. it's not like marijuana is hard to get. the lack of sudden problems in areas that legalized it confirms this...
[11:19:02] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=1
[11:19:42] <PetefromTn_> call and ask the Police Departments in neighboring states about that and see what they tell you...
[11:19:43] <furrywolf> the problem I refer to is that most of our economy is centered around growing and selling marijuana... as soon as it's nationally legal, the big tobacco industry will become the major seller, and our entire local production, and the economy around it, will vanish.
[11:20:42] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: if you scan though the birth years you start to see why this change is just starting to occur
[11:21:04] <furrywolf> pete: we have stores here where you can walk in and buy weed, even though it's technically illegal. there's people growing in their front yards, visible from the street, despite it being technically illegal. very few people are going to start smoking it just because it is legalized. heh.
[11:21:13] <CaptHindsight> heh, now the neighboring states want to cash in on it
[11:22:47] <furrywolf> I mean when it's legalized nationally... our local economy is going to utterly collapse. most of the money coming into this area is from marijuana sales. when big tobacco floods the market with professional products, there suddenly won't be any money coming into the area.
[11:23:11] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: so you have time to plan ahead
[11:23:34] <PetefromTn_> you are acting as if I disagree with you.. I personally could care less if it is legal or not. At the time I served the nation was trying to keep it out albeit in a futile attempt but that was the standing orders. We confiscated TONS of it as well as Cocaine and other drugs.
[11:23:58] * furrywolf has seen tons of it (literally)... if you live around here, you have. lol
[11:24:34] <CaptHindsight> if this is the reality here, what do you expect? http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/B1rXRL2CUAACGTr.jpg
[11:24:36] <PetefromTn_> Boarded hundreds of vessels, was fired upon and fired at smugglers, participated in covert operations all over the Carribbean and South america.
[11:25:16] <PetefromTn_> believe me when I tell you that you are not telling me anything I am not already aware of.
[11:25:54] <furrywolf> one of the many jobs I've done was installing directv dishes... I needed money. you'd go to people's houses, and they'd have hundreds or thousands of plants, and no problem at all with a total stranger walking among them and running cable...
[11:28:04] <furrywolf> people would offer me weed as tips... I'd politely decline and say that cash would be fine. another installer would gather about a pound a week in tips. heh.
[11:31:25] <furrywolf> damnit. I really need to insulate the roof on the other half of my living room. I let it freeze last night, and now it's dripping.
[11:33:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/ nobody really seems to care about this either
[11:34:40] * furrywolf doesn't need more evidence that many/most (but not all!) police officers are doing the country more harm than good
[11:35:27] <furrywolf> there are definitely police officers putting their lives on the line because they want to make the world a better place to live. unfortunately, that's not all of them.
[11:36:22] <CaptHindsight> it's not a backwards mess here by accident, the plan is working out pretty well for those in charge
[11:40:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I hate to hear this crap. There is no doubt there are police and federal officers that are crooked. However I am deeply saddened by the press that police officers have been getting lately. It is so easy for people to bash them from the safety of their living rooms and computer screens. It is another matter entirely to stand in the street and deal with the responsibilities and restriction and dangers they face every
[11:41:53] <furrywolf> pete: a couple months ago a police officer killed a local kid, because he had a bb gun in his pants, and didn't get his hands in the air fast enough when the officer yelled. the kid wasn't involved in any criminal act whatsoever.
[11:42:15] <PetefromTn_> would you like me to start citing all the good they do?
[11:42:31] <PetefromTn_> because that would take a LOT of bandwidth
[11:42:53] <PetefromTn_> it is funny really. so many lament when something goes wrong
[11:42:54] <furrywolf> my friend's son was killed by the police. he got into a fight with a homeless person stealing his recycling. he had a MOP. the cops showed up and shot him, claiming he was advancing on them with the mop, while eyewitnesses say he was just standing there.
[11:43:14] <PetefromTn_> but when they are getting assaulted or need REAL EMERGENCY HELP right now they thank GOD they are there..
[11:44:34] <furrywolf> the cops here do not help you if you need them to. as a good example, a friend's house got broken into, and they wouldn't even send an officer around to take a report, figure out how the guy got in (no visible damage), etc., instead saying they'd take a report over the phone only, and that they probably wouldn't do anything with it other than file it. new dslr camera, cash, etc gone.
[11:45:01] <furrywolf> this beling an elderly guy who has a hard enough time taking care of him self, much less dealing with a robbery.
[11:45:06] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: some simple psychiatric screening would clear up the "crap"
[11:45:30] <CaptHindsight> it would be a good start
[11:45:37] <PetefromTn_> I can see arguing with you will be futile. Lets just say that I disagree completely with you...
[11:45:40] <furrywolf> as to assaults, cops are utterly useless. even if you get an officer that actually does want to help, as the saying goes, when every second counts, the cops are just minutes away. or, in many areas around here, hours.
[11:46:03] <furrywolf> if you're getting assaulted, you're on your own.
[11:46:57] <furrywolf> around here, the promise of big drug busts and massive cash seizures seems to attract the worst of them.
[11:47:19] <PetefromTn_> I recommend you take a Ride a long ride program with your local law enforcement people and see what it is really like to deal with the public. You will get an eye opening experience I assure you.
[11:47:20] <furrywolf> unless you're reporting something they think they can get cash out of, they WILL NOT investigate it.
[11:47:21] <CaptHindsight> it's this team mentality, you're either all on our side or you're against us that was programmed into the masses after 9/11
[11:48:02] <furrywolf> it's a long-standing joke here that if you see a car accident, your call to 911 needs to include "and I think drugs fell out" or an officer won't bother responding.
[11:48:21] <PetefromTn_> sounds like you should move..
[11:48:44] <CaptHindsight> Canada or Europe?
[11:48:56] <furrywolf> we have a roughly 0% recovery rate on home and vehicle burglaries, because the resources are instead spent on drug busts...
[11:49:42] <CaptHindsight> we allow a for-profit prison industry, so what do you expect?
[11:50:17] <furrywolf> I have definitely met officers that are hard-working people risking their lives... too bad they're not the only ones hired.
[11:51:10] <CaptHindsight> we need more women in office, especially running the police force
[11:52:27] <CaptHindsight> it would certainly cut down on the number of real and fake wars
[11:52:47] <mozmck> heh, the women I've seen in the police force are generally nastier than any of the men...
[11:52:52] <furrywolf> we just got a woman DA... we'll see how she turns out. just about anyone would be better than the last two DAs we had. the most recent one was owned by the police force, and the one before that the timber industry. (seriously. in one of the best examples, a timber company was logging an area they'd been denied a permit to log, due to protected species etc. people showed up to protest. the loggers ATTACKED THEM WITH CHAINSAWS, in
[11:53:24] <furrywolf> , including cutting a woman's stomach trying to gut her. rather than prosecute, the da's response was "that's what they get for being in the way.")
[11:53:42] <mozmck> While there are good police, unfortunately there are plenty of bad ones now days.
[11:54:05] <mozmck> furrywolf: wow...
[11:55:40] <furrywolf> the last da refused to prosecute police officers, no matter how badly they screwed up or who they killed. in a good example, a deputy DUIed and killed a woman. he got off completely free. this wasn't something in performance of his duties or anything, just getting drunk and crashing...
[11:56:11] <furrywolf> now, if you or I drunk drove and killed someone, we'd get jail time and no driver's license... and not still be on the force.
[11:56:39] <CaptHindsight> "you're either with us or against us" so pick your side wisely
[11:56:58] <furrywolf> a cop shot a suspect in the back, with no warning, while the suspect wasn't even aware that the cop was present. the press release was "we're glad to see justice was served so quickly and efficiently."
[11:58:07] <furrywolf> the suspect was suspected of shooting an officer. he probably did, in fact, do so, and deserved a very harsh punishment. but extrajudicial killings are supposed to be frowned upon...
[11:59:06] <CaptHindsight> well they could skip the traffic court step and just install credit card swipers in the patrol cars
[11:59:19] <furrywolf> heh
[11:59:20] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the hold up is there?
[11:59:42] <furrywolf> or stop using traffic stops as a revenue source, encouraging officers to instead look for people who are actually driving unsafely.
[12:00:12] <CaptHindsight> how does that generate income?
[12:00:32] <CaptHindsight> income/revenue :)
[12:00:50] <furrywolf> for example, last I checked, letting your registration lapse doesn't make you an unsafe driver... nor does a slightly cracked taillight... nor does driving at a higher speed when conditions permit... or slowing down to almost but not quite a stop at an intersection with good visibility...
[12:01:08] <furrywolf> yet they love writing tickets for these, as they're free money.
[12:02:24] <CaptHindsight> so there you go, what other reason is there? Yet people will still defend this behavior.
[12:03:28] <CaptHindsight> try and reason with them and watch what happens
[12:03:55] <furrywolf> some officers are perfectly willing to invent crimes... a relative was stopped not that long ago in an older vehicle because the cop was hoping to find registration/insurance problems, as common on older vehicles... when that failed, he flat out said he was going to write a bullshit seat belt ticket, and that she'd regret if she took it to court, because the judge would believe him, not her.
[12:04:48] <furrywolf> that incident still makes me want to install a personal audio/video recording device in each of my vehicles. I probably will do so someday.
[12:05:20] <CaptHindsight> heh, you have to careful about how that evidence is used and what state you're in
[12:05:36] <furrywolf> a friend of mine has done so, after too many problems.
[12:05:45] <furrywolf> got a dash cam and mic
[12:06:09] <CaptHindsight> I know some people in IL that went though quite an elaborate court case to find out how to legally do that
[12:06:50] <CaptHindsight> some states require consent from both parties
[12:07:22] <furrywolf> a cop stopped me in my old truck, obviously again hoping for no registration/insurance... when he couldn't get me for those, he then walked around the vehicle trying to find something, then wrote me a ticket for having a rock ding in my windshield. the same officer, two days later, stopped a friend of mine, in the same spot, with the exact same procedure.
[12:07:32] <furrywolf> good thing a new windshield was only $80...
[12:08:18] <CaptHindsight> but they are mostly all good guys looking out for us and you'll be happy they are there when you need them :)
[12:08:27] <furrywolf> in both cases, where the officer was hiding, he was unable to see your windshield until after stopping you.
[12:08:37] <CaptHindsight> I have to catch some rainbows now
[12:09:04] <furrywolf> they're never there when you need them, unless you live right next to a police station... in the more rural areas here, even if they do want to help you, it'll take an hour for them to reach you...
[12:09:15] <PetefromTn_> You guys are right....we should just get rid of all the cops. Hell we don't need em they are just nothing but trouble.
[12:09:17] <furrywolf> you're on your own, and should be prepared for that. heh.
[12:09:41] <CaptHindsight> it's not an all or nothing situation
[12:09:51] <PetefromTn_> Oh it's not?
[12:09:56] <PetefromTn_> sounds like it from here?
[12:10:02] <CaptHindsight> that is what is sad about the mindset here
[12:10:18] <furrywolf> capt: I think he's ignoring the places where I pointed out that some officers are hardworking people putting their lives on the line.
[12:10:20] <PetefromTn_> it's sad alright
[12:10:22] <Tom_itx> how do you lock parts in a SW assembly to a centerline?
[12:10:48] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: mating
[12:10:59] <CaptHindsight> thats one way
[12:12:34] <furrywolf> when was the last time you heard of the cops showing up in time to stop a crime in progress, rather than just afterwards? it's just not possible for an officer to show up in the time frame of the vast majority of crimes.
[12:14:11] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: how do you get through to people that polarize problems like this? Is it possible?
[12:14:26] <furrywolf> eugenics might be a good start...
[12:15:18] <CaptHindsight> this is the only reason I've carried the discussion out so long
[12:15:46] <CaptHindsight> anyway, my apologies to the channel, back to work here
[12:16:12] <furrywolf> it's like trying to convince people that religion is completely idiotic delusions...
[12:16:39] <_methods> Tom_itx: i use planes a lot
[12:16:46] <_methods> insert reference geometry
[12:16:59] <_methods> if you need to mate something to a weird spot
[12:17:59] <Tom_itx> in the assembly?
[12:18:06] <_methods> and when you say centerline are you talking about an axis or just like a plane bisecting the part
[12:18:16] <furrywolf> bbl, useful things
[12:18:17] <Tom_itx> centerline of a cylinder
[12:18:22] <_methods> you can add insert planes at the part level or assy level
[12:18:35] <_methods> yeah centerline of a cylinder you probably need to add an axis
[12:18:44] <Tom_itx> k
[12:18:56] <_methods> so either in the assy or part go to insert>ref geometry>axis
[12:19:05] <_methods> then select the cylinder face
[12:19:15] <Tom_itx> on each part?
[12:19:16] <_methods> and it should put an axis in
[12:19:25] <Tom_itx> then align the center axis?
[12:19:26] <_methods> wherever you need an axis for mating
[12:19:36] <_methods> it will automagically align to the center
[12:19:38] <Tom_itx> ok, i'll mess with it
[12:19:54] <_methods> or whatever round face you click on
[12:20:10] <_methods> you can also select 2 planes and create an axis
[12:20:24] <_methods> it will create and axis along the intersection of the 2 planes
[12:21:04] <Tom_itx> how can i make a plane on the top of a cylinder so i can cut boss's on the side?
[12:21:10] <Tom_itx> like for a wrench
[12:22:00] <_methods> hold on my wife won't shut up lol
[12:23:27] <_methods> ok she's done yappin i guess for now lol
[12:23:41] <_methods> so i think, been awhile since i used 2004
[12:23:57] <_methods> you should be able to select the cylinder face then select a plane
[12:24:15] <_methods> and it should create a plane perp or parallel on the face of the cylinder
[12:24:29] <Tom_itx> ok
[12:24:44] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: are you importing the part into an assembly?
[12:24:44] <_methods> i think you can make it angular too
[12:24:58] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, eventually yes
[12:25:03] <_methods> so you can create the plane at some given anble
[12:25:09] <_methods> s/anble/angle
[12:25:13] <CaptHindsight> otherwise when you create the parts you can choose what face gets mated to what plane
[12:25:19] <Tom_itx> that'll take a while for me to figure out _methods
[12:25:31] <_methods> you can also create and offset plane
[12:25:35] <CaptHindsight> a lot has changed in SW since 04
[12:25:48] <_methods> that is an offset amount that ='s the radius of the cylinder
[12:25:57] <_methods> s/and/an
[12:26:24] <_methods> that's probably the simplest way but it won't be actually linked to the solid
[12:26:36] <_methods> basically just hardcoding a plane dist in that way
[13:26:33] <zeeshan> hi
[13:26:56] <zeeshan> no suggestions for mounting my ecnlosure? :(
[13:28:19] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq4L-AiM-e8 not a single f**k was given by that machine in the beginning :P
[13:28:35] <humble_sea_bass> I heart solidworks
[13:28:36] <mrsun> ok .. throughtout the video :P
[13:29:01] <mrsun> "oh a piece of wood in the way .. let me remove that for you"
[13:29:30] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: still there?
[13:29:38] <humble_sea_bass> also, fuck the police
[13:29:38] <zeeshan> were you trying to make a part concentric with a center line?
[13:30:20] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: careful, some of us have cop family members :/
[13:30:27] <zeeshan> they're not all the same.
[13:30:27] * JT-Shop fires up the lathe to make some rondels
[13:30:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i figured it out
[13:30:57] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: did you use planes?
[13:31:02] <zeeshan> or create an axis?
[13:31:06] <Tom_itx> axis
[13:31:07] <zeeshan> cause there is a cleaner way to do it
[13:31:12] <zeeshan> than doing either of that
[13:31:19] <zeeshan> click view, temporary axis
[13:31:26] <zeeshan> it'll show axis on all concentric parts
[13:31:27] <Tom_itx> it's off now
[13:31:37] <zeeshan> round parts i mean
[13:31:44] <Tom_itx> i'll check later today
[13:31:50] <Tom_itx> gotta go for now
[13:32:27] <humble_sea_bass> My goal is never to hurt feelings. I should have just said I'm non-plussed by the police
[13:32:46] <zeeshan> its like anything man..
[13:32:57] <zeeshan> it only takes a few bad experiences and bam they're all bad :)
[13:34:28] <humble_sea_bass> I live in NYC so it is a little more complex here
[13:35:12] <humble_sea_bass> As a professional is a good neighborhood the cops are fucking great, a long departure from how and where i grew up
[13:35:57] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, concentric mating in SW.. how about that
[13:38:00] * JT-Shop needs to file some square holes in 11 gauge
[13:38:17] <zeeshan> JT-Shop is a busy guy today
[13:39:53] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: can you suggest a way to mount my enclosure? :{
[13:40:01] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15494417534/in/photostream/
[13:40:11] <roycroft> i have a sucky day ahead
[13:40:13] <zeeshan> make some fancy frame to mount it to the side of the machine?
[13:40:13] <zeeshan> or
[13:40:17] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16116009812/in/photostream/
[13:40:18] <zeeshan> mount it to wall
[13:40:21] <roycroft> i get to start by extracting a broken tap
[13:40:28] <roycroft> first time in years i've broken a tap
[13:40:29] <zeeshan> roycroft: nice
[13:40:49] <roycroft> i had a rough day at work yesterday - usually i relax in the shop, but i think i was still frustrated last night
[13:40:52] <zeeshan> use carbide to drill it out!
[13:40:59] <roycroft> i was smart enough to quit the instant i broke the tap off
[13:41:14] <roycroft> i got some new carbide burrs a while ago - i am going to dig them out
[13:41:18] <roycroft> i think one of them is small enough
[13:41:31] <roycroft> it's a 1/4-20 tap, so not tiny
[13:41:37] <roycroft> enough room to work it
[13:41:57] <zeeshan> i keep an eye for metal disintegrators
[13:42:05] <zeeshan> no cheap ones yet :(
[13:42:07] <roycroft> 1/2" steel though, and the tap broke off right at the surface, so i have the full 1/2" to ream out
[13:42:53] <roycroft> if i don't have a burr small enough i'll take a piece of drill rod, make a tiny chisel out of it, and harden it
[13:43:18] * roycroft gives himself 90 minutes to do it cleanly
[13:43:50] <humble_sea_bass> make sure that you have proper ventilation and temperature control
[13:44:00] <roycroft> me?
[13:44:27] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, bolts?
[13:44:31] <zeeshan> lol
[13:44:33] <humble_sea_bass> yes. that's the kind of work that can make you upset and drive a person to wail on it with a hammer
[13:44:44] <JT-Shop> oh I need to look at a photo?
[13:44:51] <humble_sea_bass> hot spaces and terrible work make me do that sometimes
[13:44:54] <roycroft> i have a small kiln that i use for heat treating metal
[13:45:01] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: youre a frame expert
[13:45:04] <roycroft> it has good temperature control
[13:45:14] <roycroft> and it's in my welding shop, which is well ventilated
[13:45:26] <JT-Shop> what is the big box on the back side?
[13:45:28] <zeeshan> enclosure is 24Wx48H
[13:45:37] <zeeshan> that holds the hydraulic power pack
[13:45:46] <roycroft> i have a hot plate somewhere that i can dig out to temper the tiny chisel, if it gets to the point that i need to make the chisel
[13:46:03] <JT-Shop> does it fit on the column?
[13:46:26] <JT-Shop> with some stand offs
[13:46:27] <zeeshan> if i cut off that flange with the 2 holes in it
[13:46:31] <zeeshan> it might fit
[13:46:37] <zeeshan> but i cant visualize a good way
[13:46:44] <zeeshan> the box on the back is only 12 gauge metal
[13:46:52] <zeeshan> the column of the mill is pretty much solid
[13:46:59] <zeeshan> so i can get stand offs from the left side of the enclosure
[13:47:01] <zeeshan> but nothing on the right
[13:47:15] <zeeshan> thats why its playing games with my mind
[13:47:35] <zeeshan> should i maybe use 2"x.5" aluminum flatbar
[13:47:41] <zeeshan> along its widthwise direction
[13:47:44] <zeeshan> and cantilever it off?
[13:49:24] <JT-Shop> how wide is the column?
[13:49:49] <zeeshan> hmm
[13:49:58] <JT-Shop> and you don't have to use the existing mounting holes in the box...
[13:49:59] <zeeshan> about 36-40"
[13:50:10] <JT-Shop> 2 square, 4 round
[13:50:50] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T1JAt23.jpg
[13:50:58] <zeeshan> something like that?
[13:51:00] <zeeshan> with stand offs?
[13:52:00] <zeeshan> they'd be some long stand offs
[13:54:07] <JT-Shop> you could mount it like that but put a diagonal one from the outside top to inside middle or something like that to get the bolt spacing spread out more
[13:54:32] <JT-Shop> can you attach it to the part with two holes and one slot?
[13:55:09] <JT-Shop> 3 SQ 3 Rd
[13:56:02] <zeeshan> no way to make a slot right now
[13:56:03] <zeeshan> :(
[13:56:16] <zeeshan> round holes no problem
[13:56:34] <humble_sea_bass> faaaak. Motec I2 telemetry software, 1 year license 5,000 yankee dollars
[13:57:32] <humble_sea_bass> oh nevermind. that's just the API license.
[13:58:07] <JT-Shop> no, can you attach it to the part that is hanging off the rear tank looking thing?
[13:58:22] <JT-Shop> the thing with two big holes and a big slot on it
[14:38:32] <Loetmichel> *brrr* *cough* that needs to thaw a bit so it get watered down ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15469
[14:48:56] <_methods> heheh
[14:49:01] <_methods> that looks tasty
[14:51:48] <_methods> schneeballen and scotch lol
[14:55:28] <Deejay> eixwürfel!
[14:55:36] <Deejay> *eiswürfel
[15:49:00] <mrsun> what is adaptive feed and what is it used for? =)
[15:50:37] <mrsun> used with load monitoring to keep a constant load on the spindle for example ?
[15:53:16] <mrsun> that could be usefull!
[15:53:46] <mrsun> so machine goes faster when its not in contact with material =)
[15:55:36] <mrsun> all that hsould be needed is a 0-10V or so spindle load feedback ? =)
[16:03:15] <Jymmm> HOT SWARF! GOT YOUR RED HOT GLOWING SWARF RIGHT HERE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Zs8iaydt0
[16:08:18] <CaptHindsight> nice
[16:08:42] <Deejay> gn8
[16:09:06] <Deejay> gn8
[16:09:55] <CaptHindsight> i hate when that happens with end mills :)
[16:11:08] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhkWINPRK3A Flow Drilling - Friction Drilling how long do the tools last?
[16:35:33] <AR__> they last some period of time
[16:37:52] <mrsun> its beautiful to watch =)
[16:38:14] <mrsun> and kinda neat way to ensure there is good thread contact in thin materials =)
[16:41:12] <AR__> yeah
[16:47:47] <mrsun> hehe ... caustic soda + wallpaper paste == win on crud on the oven!
[16:48:02] <mrsun> stuff that ive had to remove by mechanical force just melts away! =)
[16:48:35] <SpeedEvil> flock oven cleaning
[16:49:20] <mrsun> what does "flock" mean ?
[16:49:54] <SpeedEvil> Kids today...
[16:50:15] <mrsun> non english first language kids ...
[16:50:18] <SpeedEvil> It's a type of wallpaper, made by applying lustrous fibre to a adhesive backing
[16:50:31] <mrsun> oh
[17:17:19] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: are EE's required to take any courses in thermodynamics? or is it just optional
[17:19:48] <SpeedEvil> There is in most places no requirement for any licencing for EE
[17:20:04] <SpeedEvil> I can call myself an EE with some justification, and I have no formal qualifications in it.
[17:20:17] <SpeedEvil> Well - almost no formal
[17:20:25] <SpeedEvil> In what respect?
[17:20:36] <SpeedEvil> Thermodynamics is not very relevant
[17:22:55] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: no
[17:23:04] <zeeshan> this is why a lot of electrical companies hire mech eng
[17:23:23] <zeeshan> we usually do structural and heat side of things
[17:24:17] <SpeedEvil> Meh.
[17:24:28] <SpeedEvil> It's all just ohms law in funny units.
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> haha
[17:24:45] <zeeshan> well you're actually right
[17:25:00] <zeeshan> when it comes down to heat transfer, we use ohms law analogy
[17:25:19] <zeeshan> each mode of transfer, like conduction of a thin plate is modelled as a thermal resistor
[17:25:24] <SpeedEvil> - vapour barrier and stuff makes it considerably more annoying
[17:25:50] <zeeshan> V = I R , deltaT=Q*R
[17:25:51] <zeeshan> :)
[17:26:40] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: if you're curious, http://academiccalendars.romcmaster.ca/preview_program.php?catoid=7&poid=3993
[17:26:43] <zeeshan> typical ee program
[17:27:12] <CaptHindsight> not wondering about licensed engineers just EE's that might go on to design cpu boards and power supplies
[17:27:33] <zeeshan> they work closesly with mech
[17:27:46] <zeeshan> my brothers friend works at ati for gpu design in markham
[17:27:49] <zeeshan> hes an EE
[17:27:57] <zeeshan> ati aka amd
[17:28:07] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: thermodynamics is basically not involved at all in EE
[17:28:10] <CaptHindsight> i still remember
[17:28:13] <SpeedEvil> If you mean carnot et al
[17:28:21] <zeeshan> i think he means heat transfer
[17:28:45] <CaptHindsight> yes it's all part of themodynamics
[17:29:26] <CaptHindsight> most EE's seem to be clueless about thermal management
[17:29:46] <zeeshan> theres a slight difference
[17:29:50] <CaptHindsight> call in the heat sink guy
[17:29:57] <zeeshan> thermo they're mainly dealing with quantities of work and energy / heat
[17:30:03] <zeeshan> heat transfer brings in the time component
[17:30:21] <zeeshan> which suprisingly means dirty partial differential equations
[17:30:22] <zeeshan> :P
[17:31:37] <zeeshan> Thermodynamics says "why" it has to happen and determines the end state. Heat transfer explain "how" it can happen, in that process helps us to engineer the equilibrium state.
[17:31:40] <zeeshan> i like this definition
[17:33:45] <CaptHindsight> I was trying to explain why very few people know how to design efficient thermal management in devices like laptops or supercomputers
[17:34:49] <CaptHindsight> it ends up being a kludge since the electronics and mechanical is done by two different people or groups that really don't understand each other
[17:34:52] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i really think people should stick to their own fields
[17:35:19] <zeeshan> i notice sometimes ee's will try to design a structural
[17:35:34] <zeeshan> *structure, and they haven't taken a single course that deals with stresses
[17:35:42] <CaptHindsight> it makes schooling easier
[17:35:47] <zeeshan> and vise versa, mech engs trying to design electric motors
[17:35:57] <zeeshan> having first year physics isn't good enough lol
[17:36:30] <zeeshan> the people that know the best of both worlds are people who graduated with mechatronics
[17:37:27] <CaptHindsight> i really don't get people that stop learning when they leave class or school
[17:37:35] <CaptHindsight> but that is the norm
[17:38:18] <CaptHindsight> the people that know it best are the ones that didn't let schooling stop them :)
[17:38:20] <zeeshan> i personally think its the same reason people go watch a movie
[17:38:28] <zeeshan> instead of tinkering around with mechanics
[17:38:32] <zeeshan> or electronics
[17:39:23] <zeeshan> it takes a special breed of people who think a cnc machine is a "gold ring" to an average person
[17:39:29] <zeeshan> :-)
[17:39:55] <zeeshan> my dad was watching me build his replacement part for one of his dental things on the lathe yesterday
[17:40:00] <zeeshan> and then tig'ed it
[17:40:20] <zeeshan> i dont think before he saw the process, he didn't understand the importance of the machines
[17:40:38] <zeeshan> to him it was just like a sawzall or something :P
[17:41:17] <zeeshan> ps diecast aluminum welds a lot nicer than sandcast aluminum
[17:55:55] <roycroft> so when the carbide drill tip detatched from the shaft and embedded itself in the broken tap i decided it was time to cut the part off and refabricate it
[17:56:09] * roycroft has not been having fun in the shop lately
[17:57:28] <CaptHindsight> sounds like an attempt at friction drilling :)
[17:58:06] <CaptHindsight> and produced an friction weld
[17:58:25] <roycroft> it was an attempt at making a harbor freight tool do useful work
[17:58:32] <CaptHindsight> heh
[17:58:33] <roycroft> and it ended with the predictable results
[17:59:10] <CaptHindsight> I have a HF set that has been in the drawer
[17:59:12] <roycroft> the work nor the tool were hot when it failed
[17:59:31] <roycroft> so i'm assuming that they used something like superglue to attach the carbide tip to the shaft, and did not braze it on
[17:59:51] <zeeshan> anyone here run alathe often?
[17:59:55] <zeeshan> pete!!
[18:00:07] <roycroft> lathes are pretty heavy
[18:00:17] <roycroft> i find that even on a leash it's difficult to get them to actually run
[18:00:23] <roycroft> they don't even like to crawl
[18:00:50] <CaptHindsight> another thing that generally has 4 legs but doesn't walk
[18:00:56] <roycroft> they're more like cats
[18:01:00] <zeeshan> i need to know a quick way to square off round solid bar
[18:01:04] <zeeshan> to 12"
[18:01:07] <roycroft> they find a comfy space to hang out and don't do much but turn around in place
[18:01:19] <zeeshan> theyre currently all 12.035 - 12.0625
[18:01:34] <zeeshan> in the past i'd face one end
[18:01:39] <zeeshan> take it out. square off the other end
[18:01:39] <zeeshan> measure
[18:01:48] <zeeshan> touch off, remove extra material
[18:01:56] <zeeshan> theres gotta be a faster way
[18:01:59] <zeeshan> i need to make 20
[18:02:03] <roycroft> face off one end of all of them
[18:02:10] <roycroft> turn one around
[18:02:21] <zeeshan> haha
[18:02:21] <roycroft> put it in the chuck with a parallel spacing it off the chuck face
[18:02:24] <zeeshan> i can see it
[18:02:25] <zeeshan> already
[18:02:26] <zeeshan> GOOD idea
[18:02:28] <roycroft> measure, face off the other end
[18:02:45] <zeeshan> erm wait a sec.
[18:02:49] <zeeshan> if i use a parallel on the chuck face
[18:02:52] <zeeshan> it'll stick out too much
[18:02:56] <zeeshan> thats okay for small parts
[18:03:02] <roycroft> use a short parallel
[18:03:09] <zeeshan> i was thinking squaring of all of them on one side
[18:03:22] <zeeshan> then pushing it against a known position of the tool
[18:03:33] <zeeshan> like a bar stop
[18:03:56] <zeeshan> its 1" round bar, so if i use a parallel on the chuck face
[18:04:04] <zeeshan> it'll stick out close to 4-5"
[18:04:14] <zeeshan> i guess thats not too big of a deal for a light cut
[18:04:42] <zeeshan> my gf got me this shirt
[18:04:44] <zeeshan> (im in canada)
[18:04:45] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15936144520/
[18:04:48] <zeeshan> YEA america!!!!
[18:09:25] <CaptHindsight> MeriKa
[18:11:54] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[18:11:56] <mrsun> interesting =)
[18:37:46] <CaptHindsight> patents up the wazoo
[18:38:04] <mrsun> just move to china
[18:38:06] <CaptHindsight> for what is obvious to most here
[18:38:08] <mrsun> no more patent problems
[18:38:21] <CaptHindsight> already done :)
[18:41:07] <CaptHindsight> but cnc glue guns are going to save manufacturing in the west :)
[18:41:20] <CaptHindsight> ask anyone that sells them
[18:41:27] <syyl_> ask bree pettis!
[18:41:34] <_methods> hehe
[18:41:51] <syyl_> and his hotgluegun-followers
[18:42:09] <_methods> why do they all print vases..........
[18:42:36] <syyl_> why dont they print brakedisks for their cars?
[18:42:55] <syyl_> or the car mirror some asshole drove off your car
[18:43:00] <syyl_> or something other usefull
[18:43:34] <_methods> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:199786
[18:43:37] <_methods> you mean like that
[18:43:50] <syyl_> uhm
[18:43:51] <syyl_> yeah
[18:43:53] <syyl_> kinda
[18:52:34] <CaptHindsight> i use them mostly for faux mustaches
[18:56:11] <mrsun> nothing beats a good substractive machining! =)
[18:58:29] <Jymmm> ...except a GREAT addeitive machining process
[19:05:31] <t12_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8NqeD73ZZ4
[19:58:24] <jdh> the guy that makes my rebreather just bought a 3d laser sintered metal thingie.
[21:22:23] <Jymmm> archivist: Oil Cooling 2 x GS35B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSTbNarkoNY
[21:27:35] <Jymmm> archivist: What is that, a 2 HP pump motor?
[21:27:36] <zeeshan> 3/4" unc is a bitch to tap!
[21:41:31] <roycroft> not if you have a pony, zeeshan
[21:52:48] <Jymmm> Electronic Gold Recovery... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCmXLXrAtto
[21:59:19] <Jymmm> archivist: Nice contrast to your sync sledgehammers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sooeYRbJuyw
[22:12:50] <Jymmm> Tire inflating a la match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bywA5apAkbw
[22:15:14] <malcom2073> That's how we typically set tire beads
[22:15:59] <malcom2073> Course, we did it without throwing a bunch of matches inside the tire first hah
[22:16:14] <Jymmm> Is this how you inflate them too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANwJp8Z5mc
[22:16:43] <malcom2073> Heh no
[22:17:30] <malcom2073> I was waiting for a "and this is what happens without the cage" video
[22:17:54] <Jymmm> ...there was, it just took out the video camera with it =)
[22:18:17] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHJb56jYLH4
[22:18:32] <skunkworks> a ratchet strap around the outside works ok also. (when you don't have huge volumes of air)
[22:19:09] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yeah, I don't think so =)
[22:19:39] <malcom2073> I've never had much luck with the ratchet strap method
[22:26:56] <furrywolf> I've had excellent luck with the ratchet strap method.
[22:27:27] <furrywolf> if you want dangerous tire inflations, go inflate a split rim with the locking ring only half seated. :)