#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-26

[01:49:32] <Jymmm> Lil scary... http://www.dxsoul.com/product/diy-red-led-illuminated-car-toggle-on-off-switch-12v-20a-901146171
[01:51:42] <Connor> Jymmm: ?? Why?
[01:51:52] <Jymmm> look at the top terminal
[01:52:37] <Connor> Hmm.
[01:52:47] <Connor> That's a bit odd.
[01:52:59] <Connor> Might be the ground or for the LED
[01:53:14] <Jymmm> like VERY close to what probably would be a metal plate it's mounted to
[01:53:35] <Connor> That's Gotta be the ground for the LED then.
[01:53:40] <Connor> or light.
[01:57:15] <Jymmm> Maybe, maybe not. Plus it's PVC too
[02:00:20] <toastyde1th> off topic question - does anyone do photography with an x100s or x100t
[02:01:40] <Jymmm> That's Retro FUGLY!
[02:02:25] <toastyde1th> haha you are literally the first person i've ever met who doesn't like how the series looks
[02:02:55] <Jymmm> I'm not a hipster
[02:03:30] <Jymmm> and $1000... for THAT thing... OH HELL NO!
[02:03:47] <toastyde1th> hahahaha
[02:04:02] <toastyde1th> i am honestly shocked you don't like how it looks
[02:04:15] <toastyde1th> it's one of the best cameras in that form factor, so it's not really performance that sucks
[02:04:18] <Jymmm> $150 for the same thing... http://www.frys.com/product/7987030?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[02:04:28] <toastyde1th> hahahaha
[02:04:32] <toastyde1th> except... it's not at all the same thing
[02:04:36] <toastyde1th> body style aside
[02:04:43] <Jymmm> AND it has wifi too
[02:05:05] <toastyde1th> actually body style also included because what you linked isn't a rangefinder
[02:05:36] <Jymmm> I do care if it gave me a blowjob every day... NO!
[02:05:50] <toastyde1th> that would be a very impressive camera
[02:05:55] <toastyde1th> I'm not sure where that attachment would go
[02:06:25] <Jymmm> on the hotshoe.. http://www.amazon.com/Fleshlight-Original-Male-Masturbator-Pink/dp/B0026P3P7M
[02:06:35] <toastyde1th> impressive
[02:07:11] <toastyde1th> but still, the x100 series is pretty much universally acclaimed
[02:07:18] <toastyde1th> style-wise
[02:07:28] <toastyde1th> this is the first I've ever heard anyone say they don't like it
[02:07:31] <Jymmm> who cares abut style?
[02:07:41] <Jymmm> its the results of the photos that matters
[02:07:42] <toastyde1th> well it's the first thing you mentioned, so I'm assuming you do
[02:07:54] <toastyde1th> it's not something I'd have mentioned at all
[02:08:15] <Jymmm> They focused on style, basiclly takign away form other areas
[02:08:35] <toastyde1th> what do you see as having been negatively impacted?
[02:08:38] <Jymmm> there is no way I could ever take that camera seriiously
[02:08:49] <Jymmm> even the viewfinder is crud
[02:09:14] <toastyde1th> ...wat?
[02:09:14] <Jymmm> it's bulky, for NOT being a DSLR
[02:09:22] <toastyde1th> the viewfinder has stellar reviews?
[02:09:34] <Jymmm> Too thin for a decent battery life/sice
[02:10:14] <toastyde1th> battery life isn't going to be as good as my main camera, agreed
[02:11:02] <toastyde1th> i get around 3000 shots per charge on my main camera
[02:11:06] <toastyde1th> looks like this gets 300-500
[02:11:10] <toastyde1th> which is fine for what I'd be using it for
[02:13:41] <toastyde1th> i like that it's essentially pocketable and has on-body manual controls, as that's all I really shoot with
[02:13:50] <toastyde1th> and don't have to lug around 10 lbs of camera
[02:31:42] <Jymmm> http://www.ia.omron.com/product/item/tlq_2001e/
[02:31:50] <Jymmm> http://www.dxsoul.com/product/tl-q5mc1-plastic-proximity-switch-sensor-grey-earth-yellow-901354209
[02:37:11] <Jymmm> DB9 male AND female screw terminal adapters: http://www.dxsoul.com/product/hf-9pin-3-81-block-terminal-db9-connector-module-set-green-901343061
[03:07:47] <mrsun> so i try again then :P Is there any way to reset the coordinate system just for Z axis ? so that its in machine coordinates not offset coordinates? =)
[03:32:04] <Deejay> moin
[03:43:11] <renesis> mrsun: for a single move use 'g53 z[n]'
[03:43:40] <renesis> mrsun: to change the whole coordinate system, set the Z original to its machine space origin
[03:44:13] <renesis> so like, check where you are in machine space, and then set origin for Z, using the machine space z value as your offset
[03:44:30] <renesis> s/original/origin
[03:57:00] <mrsun> renesis: i want to reset it it .. remove ALL offsets for Z axis
[03:57:02] <mrsun> but only Z
[03:57:29] <mrsun> just like the "unhome" or whatever its called in axis does
[03:57:33] <mrsun> removes the offset for that axis
[04:02:58] <mrsun> hmm
[04:04:03] <mrsun> ye G53 i guess is nice .. but when doing a straight probe it uses the current coordinate systems offset ...
[04:04:23] <mrsun> i want to be able to do a straight probe to say -70 (that is my maximum Z travel in machine coordinates)
[04:04:30] <mrsun> even if im at -65 from the start
[04:05:44] <mrsun> renesis: hmm that last part ..you mean a G92 Z<#MachineSpaceCoord> ?=
[04:05:56] <mrsun> but how do i get the machinespace coord ?
[04:07:52] <renesis> are you using axis gui?
[04:07:58] <renesis> i think its #
[04:08:27] <renesis> if you go to view, there will be an option to display machine space instead of workspace
[04:09:02] <mrsun> yes axis gui but this is a probe routine .. dont want to have to go to the computer and manualy reset the axis
[04:09:16] <mrsun> a probe button on the pendant
[04:09:26] <renesis> oh, yeah then not completely sure
[04:10:15] <renesis> i wouldnt know how to specify to use current machine space coordinate to use as the offset
[04:11:07] <mrsun> thing is i want to remove the offset set for Z axis when i "Touch off" in the gui
[04:11:07] <renesis> i would look into the linuxcnc variable based gcode tho
[04:11:50] <mrsun> as when i touch off with the button in the gui i guess its the G54 coordinate system gets set to those values .. but then when i do a G38.1 it reads the G54 coordinate systems data .. not the machine coordinate data
[04:12:02] <renesis> there is a way to specify variables and constants, i dont know if it makes current position available as a variable, though
[04:12:32] <mrsun> G38.2*
[04:12:46] <mrsun> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
[04:13:13] <mrsun> found these .. maybe 5161 - 5169 ?
[04:13:15] <mrsun> or something like that
[04:13:48] <renesis> oh nice they have named paramaters now, think thats new
[04:14:51] <renesis> mrsun: yeah looks like that might work, tho i wonder what the value for home is stored as
[04:15:11] <mrsun> my home position is offset as 0, 0, 0
[04:15:15] <renesis> i would assume offset from current in machine space
[04:15:15] <mrsun> in the ini file
[04:15:36] <mrsun> but the explaination of thiose parameters are very poor
[04:15:37] <renesis> thaats might only be used with limit switches
[04:15:56] <renesis> well, home switches
[04:16:29] <renesis> so those might be constants relating to that, not offset from current position
[04:16:48] <mrsun> first i do when i go to the machine is to home it (machine goes to 0, 0, 0 then sets the stored G54 coordinate system (81.6, 63.4) (thats my current stop zero on the table ..
[04:17:05] <mrsun> the Z tho i do need to touch off each time i change tool
[04:17:23] <mrsun> and with an offet of 0 at top of workpiece, change tool then straight probe .. i get errors from axis cause i exeed the axis movement
[04:17:30] <mrsun> so i want the probe to be in machinespace not workspace
[04:17:42] <mrsun> cause in machinespace i actualy know my limits =)
[04:18:38] <renesis> heh, yeah youre kind of looking at the same shit i would think to look into
[04:18:40] <renesis> gl!
[04:19:10] <mrsun> :P
[04:20:11] <mrsun> well stuff that bugs me ..then i have to go to the compuiter ... jog the Z axis up .. touch it of some 50mm from machine limit to be able to make my probe .. and some bugs in my classic ladder etc makes it a dangerous move .. as all of the sudden the machine can move 20 units upwards .. woom :P
[04:20:59] <mrsun> so realy . .only thing i need to know is HOW to cancel the offset for Z axis
[04:21:00] <mrsun> nothing more
[04:24:46] <renesis> i have spring collets
[04:25:02] <renesis> so like, in program tool changes just dont happen
[04:25:14] <renesis> split up all my programs
[04:26:34] <renesis> something like your solution would be neat, but its pretty simply to post toolpaths separately and just zero z every time
[04:26:40] <renesis> *simple
[04:39:33] <mrsun> yes but i zero Z every time (touch off top of workpiece) but i need to go to the computer and reset the location of the Z manualy ... and i dont want to have to do that! =)
[04:49:04] <mrsun> oh is it as simple as doing G10 L2 P0 Z0 to remove the offset from Z ?
[04:50:33] <mrsun> i have to examine my code i guess .. sucks that its not uploaded to my dropbox so i can do that from the comfort of the sofa :P
[05:10:40] <mrsun> hmm can i call some kind of block of gcode from mdi commands ?
[05:17:20] <mrsun> when i press touch off in axis gui, what coordinate system is set then ? G54 ?
[05:18:38] <renesis> i think you can select in the popup, G54 is default
[05:19:29] <renesis> if you mean when setting zero with gcode, it prob does whatever workspace is active if you dont specify, workspace gcodes are modal
[05:20:17] <renesis> theres a box under the mdi input shows active modal commands (i think, this is all from memory my cnc controller is 500 miles away)
[05:20:27] <mrsun> might only be the problem that when i do it from mdi the axis gui isnt reset (the plot isnt moved) like it is if i press touch off in the gui
[05:21:28] <renesis> weird
[05:22:00] <mrsun> i think the touch off button issues a redraw of the backplot
[05:22:07] <mrsun> tho mdi commands to change coordinate system doesnt
[05:22:23] <mrsun> so all moves is offset to the backplot in the view of the screen
[05:22:29] <mrsun> if done by mdi commands
[05:22:52] <mrsun> where are the linuxcnc gurus when you need em? :/
[05:22:57] <mrsun> stupid xmas!
[05:25:13] <renesis> sleeping
[05:25:19] <renesis> its 3am dude
[05:28:14] <mrsun> haha :P
[05:28:19] <mrsun> 12:01 here ...
[06:43:12] <jthornton> lol
[07:43:02] <mrsun> i dont get it . .what is the difference of G92 and G10 L20 P1 ?
[07:45:42] <mrsun> G10 sets a fixture offset, G92 sets some global offset ?
[07:45:55] <_methods> g10 actually changes the workoffset
[07:46:07] <_methods> work fixture offset
[07:46:41] <jthornton> When G92 is executed, the origins of all coordinate systems move.
[07:47:09] <mrsun> hmm ... this is kinda hard to visualize or understand :/
[07:47:25] <mrsun> say i have a point on the table that is always my X0, Y0 on the table .. should i use G92 to set this offset or G10 ?
[07:47:38] <_methods> i'd be very careful with g92
[07:47:39] <mrsun> (the machine home is actualy further away from this point
[07:47:55] <jthornton> G92 offsets all 9 coordinate systems, G10 L2/20 only offset one coordinate system
[07:48:08] <mrsun> hmm ok
[07:48:15] <cpresser> mrsun: you can make this point x0y0 with home_offset in the ini-file
[07:48:19] <jthornton> I use G92 on my plasma cutter only
[07:48:38] <jthornton> I use G10 on my mill and lathe
[07:48:42] <mrsun> cpresser: thing is that it moves around a bit as i plane of the stops etc =)
[07:48:56] <mrsun> so i rather set that point myself with a touch off ...
[07:49:05] <jthornton> exactly
[07:50:19] <mrsun> G10 doesnt update the backplot tho ?
[07:51:21] <jthornton> what do you mean update the backplot?
[07:51:41] <mrsun> in my touchoff i do now G38.3 Z-30 F100, when it touches i do G92 Z7.52 (my plate thickness), G0 Z20 (retract)
[07:51:51] <mrsun> should i do G10 L20 P1 Z7.52 insted ?=
[07:52:28] <mrsun> gaah these positive limits
[07:52:53] <jthornton> yea, I'd use G10 L20
[07:54:25] <jthornton> G10 L20 updates the backplot for me
[07:55:49] <_methods> well if his program is using something besides g54 it won't update
[07:56:03] <jthornton> why is that?
[07:56:05] <_methods> he could be on any workoffset with g92 and it would update
[07:56:12] <_methods> p1 is g54
[07:56:25] <jthornton> ah see that now
[07:56:41] <jthornton> yea if he is in G55 and does a P1 you will see nothing
[07:56:46] <_methods> yeah
[07:57:40] * jthornton ponders to continue with cairo or go back to opengl
[07:58:01] <_methods> yeah the hardest part is choosing what path you want to take lol
[07:58:15] <_methods> once you pick one it's usually not too bad getting it working lol
[07:58:28] <mrsun> is G10 things persistent when restarting linuxcnc ?
[07:58:32] <jthornton> well I have cairo sorta figured out
[07:58:53] <_methods> whatever you have in g10 will be put into the workoffset register when it runs
[07:58:58] <cpresser> mrsun: yes. touchoffs are persistned
[07:59:00] <_methods> when the program runs
[07:59:01] <cpresser> ~persistend
[07:59:01] <jthornton> yea, so is G92
[07:59:30] <mrsun> it doesnt move the backplot thing when i do G10
[07:59:41] <mrsun> it moves the X Y Z thing ..but not the actual backplot data
[08:00:06] <_methods> what workoffset are you using in your program / what workoffset is active
[08:00:15] <jthornton> that's what is is supposed to do, "make the current point have the coordinates"
[08:00:38] <mrsun> _methods: G54
[08:00:46] <cpresser> mrsun: yes. because the backplot is stored in absolute coordinates. thats why it doesnt move when you move G54,...
[08:01:22] <mrsun> its kinda confusing to dare to start the machine if you cant see that the pointer is at the right location of the plot :P
[08:01:56] <cpresser> the preview of the gcode howver should move
[08:02:02] <_methods> lol most machines don't even have graphics
[08:02:17] <cpresser> only the red backplot does stay afaik
[08:02:17] <_methods> you should be able to look at your code and tell what it's going to do
[08:02:46] <mrsun> the white stuff deosnt move with G10
[08:03:11] <cpresser> mmh.. weird. it should do the same as a axis-touchoff inside the gui
[08:03:16] <cpresser> try to reload the gcode
[08:05:09] <jthornton> the only thing that moves is the blue/red/green Cartesian pointer when you do G10 L20
[08:05:37] <mrsun> gaah .. this is hard to understand . .now i do G10 L20 P0 X0 .. and the numbers in axis gui still says "G54 X: -1.0003"
[08:05:39] <mrsun> :P
[08:05:40] <jthornton> then press reload program
[08:05:59] <jthornton> and the back plot is now redrawn in the new place
[08:06:59] <_methods> P0 should be equal to G53 which is machine coordinates
[08:07:12] <_methods> which should act like a G92 if you just pushed that
[08:07:37] <_methods> it would shift the x machine to x0 at that coordinate
[08:07:40] <jthornton> P0 is the current coordinate system G54 or what ever you have current
[08:07:50] <_methods> really?
[08:07:54] <_methods> interesting
[08:08:05] <mrsun> P0 is active coordinate system from what i read
[08:08:13] <mrsun> so if G56 is active it will offset that one
[08:08:25] <_methods> well don't every use that on a fanuc controller
[08:08:30] <jthornton> exactly
[08:08:53] <jthornton> oh I didn't know we were talking about a fanuc controller
[08:09:00] <_methods> we arent
[08:09:08] <mrsun> (im talking about linuxcnc only)
[08:09:08] <_methods> i'm just saying i'm used to fanuc
[08:09:26] <jthornton> I'm used to DX-32
[08:09:27] <_methods> i had no idea linuxcnc did that
[08:09:39] <_methods> fadal?
[08:10:19] <jthornton> no, hmm crap can't remember now
[08:10:52] <jthornton> it's on my BP VMC
[08:11:05] <mrsun> can i do a probe move in machine coordinates insted of G54 space ?
[08:11:54] <_methods> well i think linuxcnc handles G53 weird
[08:12:17] <jthornton> so did I at first
[08:12:18] <_methods> machine coordinate(G53) moves are not modal
[08:12:29] <_methods> and must be commanded before every line
[08:12:35] <_methods> which is normal
[08:12:55] <mrsun> cause if i do a probe move G38.3 Z-1 F100 ending up at Z-1, then do a G10 L20 P0 Z0 (Set current offset to 0 so in machine im at -1), then i do a new move and set G10 again ... i will be at machine Z-2
[08:12:58] <mrsun> so it will just increment
[08:13:10] <_methods> yes
[08:13:50] <mrsun> i want everything Z related reset to machine coords before i do a probe move .. so i can ALWAYS probe from 0 (my home switch) to -70 (my maximum Z move)
[08:14:01] <mrsun> cause if it increments to much i will be outside machine limits
[08:14:27] <cpresser> you could move with G53 Z0, then do G10
[08:14:41] <_methods> ^^
[08:14:44] <mrsun> but then i cant fit it inside one MDI line =)
[08:15:10] <jthornton> mrsun, what are you trying to do?
[08:15:14] <_methods> linuxcnc has an EOL char right?
[08:15:55] <mrsun> jthornton: its my touchof routine .. first time i touch off i can move fine, then i change tool and try and do a new touchoff (moving -30mm again) and that move will be outside of the machine coordinates =)
[08:16:52] <_methods> set your z from your gauge line
[08:16:58] <_methods> your spindle nose
[08:16:58] <mrsun> So first i move from Z0 (my home position for Z) to say -30 .. hitting at -29, fine .. i can route and everything so now my G54 Z is -29, then i do another probe move of -30 ... incrementing this to -59 ... in machine coordinates as G38.3 moves from the offset position .. not machine coordinates =)
[08:16:59] <jthornton> did you clear the Z offset before your probe move?
[08:17:19] <mrsun> jthornton: no .. thats what im looking for how to do!
[08:17:30] <mrsun> and not from the computer .. but from GCode! =)
[08:17:43] <mrsun> dont want to have to run to the computer every time as i have a pendant
[08:17:52] <jthornton> G53 G0 Z0
[08:18:28] <jthornton> or better yet, G10 L2 Z0 P1
[08:20:23] <mrsun> so, "G53 G0 Z0" "G10 L20 P0 Z0" "G38.3 Z-30 F100" but that ends up on 3 lines .. and im doing it from classic ladder with MDI commands ..
[08:20:38] <mrsun> and that only wants to execute one line at a time ? =) so i would have to have 3 MDI lines to do the touchoff ?
[08:20:43] <jthornton> don't need the G53
[08:21:15] <jthornton> use a subroutine
[08:21:29] <mrsun> how do i call that from an MDI line in the mills.ini file then? =)
[08:21:32] <jthornton> I was on a different thought with the G53
[08:21:49] <jthornton> o<myfile> call
[08:22:01] <mrsun> will that search in my mills config folder? =)
[08:22:14] <jthornton> look in the O Codes section of the User Manual
[08:22:33] <jthornton> depends on what search path you have set up in your ini file
[08:22:54] <jthornton> best to set up a subroutine folder under linuxcnc
[08:23:18] <mrsun> oh
[08:23:27] <mrsun> advanced stuff this for little me =)
[08:23:56] <jthornton> just put the subroutine in your nc_files directory
[08:35:48] <mrsun> thanks alot! =) now stuff is starting to look good =)
[08:37:17] <mrsun> have to try this stuff! =)
[08:37:30] <mrsun> just running in simulator atm so =)
[08:39:36] <mrsun> jthornton: is there any way o issue a reload of the gcode from gcode? =)
[08:39:51] <mrsun> or classic ladder
[08:46:59] <jthornton> there is a python reload function... I'm pretty sure a program can't reload itself.
[08:48:40] <jthornton> if your looking at the backplot then your near the keyboard and mouse...
[08:49:18] <jthornton> Ctr R reloads a program or a mouse click
[08:49:53] <mrsun> jthornton: atm the computer stands quite unaccessable .. the screen is showing tho :P
[08:51:04] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html
[08:54:06] <mrsun> hmm ... ok =)
[09:04:23] <mrsun> ok lets hope this works now! =)
[09:04:30] <mrsun> thanks lot everyone who helped =)
[13:08:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ars-inc.com/briquetter.aspx anyone know the price range of these?
[13:08:43] <CaptHindsight> for aluminum
[13:58:59] <mrsun> damn that touch of routine works well! removed like 5 blocks of classic ladder and replaced with 2 lines :P
[13:59:04] <mrsun> and it works VERY well
[13:59:11] <mrsun> had to add a debounce to the probe input tho
[14:09:59] <mrsun> learned alot today =)
[14:10:58] <mrsun> a good touch off routine makes life so much easier =)
[14:22:39] <SpeedEvil> np: The Divynyls - I touch off myself.
[14:24:16] <mrsun> question is tho .. will the routine work with micro tools (0.5mm drills etc) or will they break .. maybe should have a checkbox to tell if use microtools and do the touch off sequence alot slower :P
[15:28:05] <PetefromTn_> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/4819808546.html Well you wanted the Classic most desired lathe of all time...Here's your chance LOL
[15:29:40] <SpeedEvil> Is that a reasonable price?
[15:29:47] <unfy> rawr!
[15:30:19] <PetefromTn_> I would think so if everything is in good shape it is a steal from what I have seen of these...
[15:30:22] <SpeedEvil> I thought so
[15:30:31] <SpeedEvil> I mean - een without a drive
[15:30:42] <SpeedEvil> Almost as cast iron weight alone
[15:31:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Lathe-mini-ManSon-restored-antique-micro-Monarch-10EE-jewelers-watch-/231414756807
[15:31:13] <syyl> dont the ee10 have that strange drive?
[15:31:14] <PetefromTn_> well when you consider the 12x36 asian lathe I just sold now sells new for over 3k and is not even a fraction of the lathe that one is...
[15:31:35] <syyl> motor driving a dc generator, driving a dc motor that turns the spindle?
[15:31:43] <SpeedEvil> syyl: the above is driveless
[15:31:55] <syyl> even better :D
[15:32:09] <syyl> throw a big 3ph motor in, hook up to a vdf, done
[15:32:27] <PetefromTn_> If you really don't like it you have my permission to NOT buy it LOL
[15:32:59] <syyl> it would be mine, if there where not a few 1000km between me and it ;)
[15:32:59] <SpeedEvil> If that was transportable to me, I'd be damn tempted. Even though it'd be basically my sole purchase of this year
[15:33:23] <syyl> but I think shipping to germany via ups would be horrible expensive ;)
[15:33:26] <PetefromTn_> anything can be shipped LOL
[15:33:54] <SpeedEvil> taking it to scotland might be going a bit far
[15:34:08] <syyl> mayve they can email it
[15:34:22] <zeeshan> :D
[15:34:44] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: you're in scotland?
[15:34:47] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:34:54] <zeeshan> so lucky
[15:34:59] <zeeshan> british lathes ftw
[15:35:29] <zeeshan> no reason to ship one from north america :D
[15:35:47] <SpeedEvil> yeah - but I don't have one
[15:36:39] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JAZMzbf.png
[15:36:43] <zeeshan> this is what i decided on
[15:36:48] <zeeshan> im not gonna put those legs
[15:36:53] <zeeshan> if the enclosure feels sturdy
[15:37:37] <SpeedEvil> legs are almost certainly not needed
[15:37:51] * SpeedEvil is trying to design a 3.6m cubed shed.
[15:38:03] <SpeedEvil> I was concerned on the weight.
[15:38:10] <SpeedEvil> Then I did the wind force calculations. :/
[15:38:34] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYB9zEwQ3w
[15:38:36] <SpeedEvil> Structural planters to the rescue.
[15:40:53] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: where can my sister buy a good set of metric drill bits
[15:40:59] <zeeshan> is there a "home depot"
[15:41:05] <zeeshan> or something along those lines in uk
[15:41:23] <zeeshan> shes coming to visit, and i figured its a good time to stock up on some metric tooling :-)
[15:41:29] <mrsun> sister ?
[15:41:33] <mrsun> is she cute? ;P
[15:41:41] * mrsun is such a stereotype
[15:42:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.screwfix.com/p/titan-drill-bit-set-metric-25pcs/91250
[15:42:11] <SpeedEvil> for example
[15:42:18] <SpeedEvil> have quite a lot of stores nationwide
[15:42:52] <mrsun> uk .. and metric ... those words cant even blend? :P
[15:43:39] <zeeshan> sweet
[15:43:42] <zeeshan> there is one in luton
[15:43:43] <zeeshan> :D
[15:44:43] <zeeshan> i like how metric drills are the same price as our imperial drills
[15:44:57] <zeeshan> http://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-hss-cobalt-drill-bit-set-25-pc/78029
[15:44:58] <zeeshan> wow
[15:44:59] <zeeshan> thats a killer deal
[15:47:23] <BitEvil> yay - out of stock for delivery - so I can't be tempted
[15:47:23] <furrywolf> just make sure they're not made in china. chinese drill bits are one of the most frustrating products...
[15:47:46] <zeeshan> furrywolf: depends
[15:47:57] <zeeshan> the ones you can buy 100 of for $20
[15:48:01] <zeeshan> have a shit load of runout
[15:48:01] <zeeshan> haha
[15:48:05] <BitEvil> I question if you are actualy going to eaily find non-made-in china drillbits
[15:48:24] <furrywolf> zeeshan: and are incapable of drilling in anything tougher than balsa.
[15:48:41] * furrywolf has lots of bits that say USA on the shank
[15:48:43] <zeeshan> you just gotta give em a fresh grind
[15:48:43] <BitEvil> That's to do with the QC and spec
[15:48:52] <zeeshan> and then they work fine
[15:48:58] <zeeshan> but still doesnt fix the runout problem
[15:49:09] <zeeshan> all my morse taper stuff is made in usa
[15:49:13] <BitEvil> The last significant manufacturing proces on those drills is probably to stamp USA on the shank
[15:49:38] <furrywolf> I once got a set of harbor freight bits made of steel so soft that the second you pressed down on the drill, they promptly bent 90 degrees right at the chuck jaws.
[15:50:14] <furrywolf> I was trying to drill ROOF FLASHING, and they'd dull the second they touched the aluminum.
[15:50:20] <SpeedEvil> That takes skill.
[15:50:38] <SpeedEvil> Weathered Al can be abrasive as hell
[15:51:07] <zeeshan> delicious aluminum oxide
[15:51:15] <unfy> i picked up an inexpensive (yet metal) 1.25hp router from local store to use as spindle. yay.
[15:51:30] <furrywolf> no, they were just made from crap steel that they either didn't heat treat or was so substandard it didn't harden when they did.
[15:51:34] <SpeedEvil> I wish round routers were a thing here
[15:52:08] <zeeshan> man boxing day sales up here are lame this year
[15:52:10] <furrywolf> my guess is someone found a way to substitute cheaper steel somewhere in the supply chain
[15:52:16] <zeeshan> not a single good deal.
[15:53:26] <furrywolf> bbl, working on cars... probably replace the clutch cable in one of my subarus, maybe work on radio wiring.
[15:53:49] * SpeedEvil is trying to work out if making wooden trusses is sane.
[15:53:57] <SpeedEvil> Or just buying the thicker timber
[15:54:04] <zeeshan> trusses look prettier
[15:54:05] <zeeshan> :)
[15:54:27] <SpeedEvil> Not these ones I suspect :)
[15:54:49] <furrywolf> depends on how big you're going. if you're building a big roof, bridge, etc, trusses are much cheaper. if you're doing something small, dimensional lumber is probably cheaper.
[15:55:04] <SpeedEvil> It's not cheaper, but it may be easier.
[15:55:27] <furrywolf> dimensional lumber is cheaper than pre-fab i-joists, at least here.
[15:55:48] <furrywolf> (OSB glued between two grooved 2x4s)
[15:56:30] <furrywolf> bbl
[15:56:33] <SpeedEvil> here, for example, the best price I've found for 4*12" is $16/m
[15:56:46] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_1195_700_1103&item_id=059699
[15:56:49] <zeeshan> is this monitor any good
[15:56:49] <zeeshan> vs
[15:57:27] <furrywolf> I bought 2x12 for $1.30ish/ft last time. don't recall the exact price.
[15:57:41] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_1195_700_1103&item_id=073884
[15:57:50] <furrywolf> bbl
[16:07:26] <mrsun> the laddereditor for linuxcnc realy needs some work ... would be nice if it was single window .. and alot easier to work with ;P
[16:10:49] <Deejay> gn8
[16:38:58] <unfy> zee: for what ? the stand on the more expensive one looks better. depends entirely on what you're doing with it etc etc etc
[16:40:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ars-inc.com/briquetter.aspx anyone know the price range on these?
[16:48:36] <unfy> damnit, i hate bidding on something on ebay... with the full intention of NOT winning... only to find out you won it ._.
[17:00:46] <CaptHindsight> heh, bidding as a weapon?
[17:11:57] <unfy> capt: it was something for $2 + $9 shipping. i didn't expect to win it - was just "meh, might be cute". i won it at $2.
[17:12:49] <unfy> so now, i have a bunch of small bipolar 2 phase steppers ... some are 30deg, some are 90deg .... and... no clue what i'll do with them heh
[17:13:06] <unfy> prolly leave them in the box they'll come in .... grumble
[17:15:42] <unfy> or maybe a bunch of "useless machine" boxes
[17:28:33] <CaptHindsight> unfy: are they really tiny? maybe 1/2" dia
[17:29:03] <CaptHindsight> used in cameras or similar
[17:29:31] <unfy> looks like 1.25" .... http://www.ebay.com/itm/291329010416?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[17:31:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-2-Phase4-Wire-micro-stepper-motor-mini-DC-stepping-motor-With-small-screw-/251723001832 I wanted to try some of these
[17:32:41] <unfy> i was eyeballing those too
[17:33:59] <unfy> they don't say what their step size is... dunno if it matters or not. but, at $5, i'll prolly buy a bag later heh
[17:48:04] <mrsun> motion.in-position
[17:48:04] <mrsun> (bit, out) TRUE if the machine is in position.
[17:48:06] <mrsun> this .. what is that ?
[17:48:22] <mrsun> what is the in position of the machine ?
[17:48:38] <mrsun> is that during a move .. say G0 X200 and in-position will be true when that move is done ?
[17:49:59] <mrsun> ahh there
[17:50:02] <cradek> that's some great documentation
[17:50:04] <mrsun> TRUE if the machine is in position (ie, not currently moving towards the commanded position)
[17:50:15] <cradek> aha! that's better.
[17:50:58] <mrsun> that is the manual page .. the other was linuxcnc docs :P
[17:51:02] <mrsun> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_emc2hal.html
[17:54:20] <mrsun> kinda handy in classic ladder it seems =) so that i know that my move is done before i go back to manual mode again =)
[20:47:59] <Tom_itx> where can you change units in SW?
[20:48:09] <_methods> document properties
[20:48:12] <Tom_itx> or set as default...
[20:48:28] <_methods> i create a template for mm and in parts
[20:48:38] <_methods> that way it defaults to the units i want for a part
[20:48:59] <Tom_itx> where is document properties located?
[20:49:29] <Tom_itx> like a blank template?
[20:53:26] <_methods> usually uppr right corner on toolbar
[20:53:37] <_methods> sorry in a game give me asec
[20:53:45] <Tom_itx> np
[20:54:54] <Tom_itx> ahh i found it
[20:54:56] <PetefromTn_> you can actually draw and scale or dimension in any format you want in SW. The Smart Dimension tool is very nice and easy to use.
[20:55:21] <Tom_itx> yeah but i had one up couple days ago and it kept switching back and forth
[20:55:26] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure why
[20:55:40] <PetefromTn_> what kept switching back and forth
[20:55:46] <Tom_itx> probably because it was a metric drawing and the properties were set to inch
[20:55:53] <Tom_itx> the drawing units
[21:16:36] <_methods> Tom_itx: did you get it?
[21:16:39] <_methods> sorry bout that
[21:17:01] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:17:12] <_methods> i open a drawing then put the units to what i want and make any other "default" settings i want then save it as a prtdot
[21:17:25] <Tom_itx> i did that
[21:17:31] <_methods> that way if you want to do an "inch" drawing/model you just use that template
[21:17:32] <Tom_itx> i have an inch and a metric one now
[21:17:35] <_methods> yeah
[21:17:41] <_methods> i do inch and metric for all
[21:17:46] <_methods> assemblies and drawings too
[21:18:00] <Tom_itx> i think the problem was i opened a metric drawing but my default was inch
[21:18:13] <_methods> yeah you can switch between them at any time
[21:18:19] <_methods> but it's easier to set up a template
[21:18:26] <Tom_itx> some odd reason it kept switching back and forth
[21:18:38] <_methods> people forget they are in inch or metric and put in units when the drawing is set wrong
[21:18:42] <_methods> i see that alot
[21:18:51] <_methods> like they will be in metric and put in 5
[21:18:55] <_methods> thinking it's in inches
[21:19:02] <Tom_itx> i know most of what i need to look for, it's just finding what i need
[21:19:06] <_methods> but the whole model is actully in metric
[21:19:13] <Tom_itx> i'm used to my cad cam
[21:19:14] <_methods> yeah
[21:19:36] <_methods> once you learn one they're all about the same
[21:19:42] <_methods> just buttons in diff spots
[21:19:48] <_methods> or named diff
[21:19:52] <Tom_itx> approach is different
[21:19:57] <_methods> but basically they all draw lines, circles and points
[21:20:01] <Tom_itx> yep
[21:20:02] <_methods> hehe
[21:20:28] <zeeshan> thats for basic functions
[21:20:39] <zeeshan> asap you start doing stuff like weldments , dynamic studies
[21:20:39] <zeeshan> fea
[21:20:41] <_methods> oh jesus
[21:20:43] <zeeshan> they differ a lot :P
[21:20:46] <_methods> here we go again
[21:21:08] <zeeshan> how many software do you use on a daily basis?
[21:21:19] <zeeshan> and what do you make on em?
[21:21:32] <Tom_itx> i do all sorts of things
[21:21:41] <zeeshan> not you Tom_itx
[21:21:44] <zeeshan> im asking the mr expert
[21:21:49] <zeeshan> that thinks all cad software is the same
[21:21:51] <zeeshan> just different buttons
[21:22:12] <zeeshan> thats like saying linuxcnc and mach3 are the same
[21:22:15] <zeeshan> just different interface
[21:22:18] <zeeshan> :)
[21:22:27] <Tom_itx> well i understood what he meant and it was directed to me
[21:22:33] <Tom_itx> so just let it go
[21:23:08] <zeeshan> one thing i havent figured out in inventor
[21:23:16] <zeeshan> is how to change units after you've selected the drawing to be metric
[21:23:40] <zeeshan> in sw you can change it
[21:23:49] <Tom_itx> my cad cam i can draw any way i want and post it in inch or metric
[21:24:18] <Tom_itx> it'll take a metric drawing and post in inch
[21:24:22] <Tom_itx> but i'm sure most will
[21:24:33] <zeeshan> i never could find the way to do it in inventor
[21:24:40] <zeeshan> tried for a while =D
[21:25:27] <zeeshan> im doing a repair for my dad right now
[21:25:31] <zeeshan> for one of his dental components
[21:25:40] <zeeshan> i made the part that broke off on the lathe
[21:25:48] <zeeshan> but ive never soldered die cast before
[21:25:56] <zeeshan> or tig'ed
[21:28:10] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: are you using SW right now
[21:28:37] <Tom_itx> just learning a bit
[21:28:45] <zeeshan> do you know the enter trick?
[21:28:48] <zeeshan> to repeat last command
[21:28:56] <Tom_itx> i've had it a while but just dont use it
[21:29:00] <Tom_itx> nope
[21:29:06] <zeeshan> draw a line in a sketch
[21:29:09] <zeeshan> press escape
[21:29:13] <zeeshan> then press enter
[21:29:20] <zeeshan> itll bring up the line tool again
[21:29:39] <zeeshan> another one that took me a while to figure out
[21:29:56] <zeeshan> trying to locate the mid point of a line so you can use constraints on it
[21:30:16] <zeeshan> you just right click the line of interest and select mid point :)
[21:30:17] <zeeshan> lol
[21:51:25] <renesis> learning SW = right click all the things
[21:54:45] * furrywolf right-clicks speedevil
[21:58:05] * SpeedEvil right-clicks the large hadron collider.
[23:47:21] <zeeshan> YAY
[23:48:05] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15929451340/
[23:48:08] <zeeshan> machine moved 90 degrees
[23:48:15] <zeeshan> i have so much more room now
[23:48:23] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15497049023/
[23:48:28] <zeeshan> thing looks tiny now :D
[23:49:40] <jdh> you have pics of it in public?
[23:49:46] <zeeshan> ??
[23:50:02] <jdh> oh, I thought those were more of your 'private' pics.
[23:50:07] <jdh> tiny and all.
[23:50:11] <zeeshan> hahah
[23:50:34] <Connor> is the table going to hit the wall?
[23:50:39] <zeeshan> no
[23:50:53] <zeeshan> engine hoist blocking the view :(
[23:51:21] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16116009812/in/photostream/
[23:51:26] <zeeshan> im gonna mount the electrical cabinet there
[23:51:47] <Connor> umm.. where? on the side ?
[23:51:55] <zeeshan> left of the keys
[23:52:14] <Connor> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15494417534/in/photostream/
[23:52:34] <zeeshan> above the bucket
[23:52:47] <zeeshan> theres quite a bit of empty space in that area
[23:53:53] <zeeshan> i still perfer it on the machine
[23:54:00] <zeeshan> but i dont see any easy way of doing it
[23:56:41] <zeeshan> connor come up with a way :-[