#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-12-22

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[00:00:03] <toastyde1th> any leakage or addition will fuck the signal
[00:00:13] <toastyde1th> digital only cares about new frequency components and loss
[00:00:16] <toastyde1th> bai!
[00:00:25] <zeeshan> well the way i think of it is like this
[00:00:29] <zeeshan> take a 1khz tone
[00:00:35] <zeeshan> you introduce a bit of noise to it
[00:00:43] <zeeshan> and you can audibly hear it.
[00:00:52] <toastyde1th> correct
[00:01:07] <toastyde1th> that's what i was saying about the amplitude sensitivity
[00:01:11] <toastyde1th> versus timing sensitivity
[02:14:00] <Deejay> moin
[06:56:45] * jthornton ponders how to store the G code... a list or a string?
[06:59:06] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOO4t9dCUAAXUhl.jpg:large
[06:59:27] <ssi> jthornton: I feel like a list of words makes the most sense
[06:59:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[07:00:12] <jthornton> I'm leaning that way
[07:00:40] <jthornton> I can use print '\n'.join(mylist) to print each line
[07:01:21] <ssi> ugh I went to a friends' house for dinner last night
[07:01:24] <ssi> and they're chain smokers
[07:01:36] <ssi> and I feel like crap now, like I have a sinus infection
[07:03:08] <jthornton> yuck, as an ex-smoker I can't stand to be around tobacco smoke
[07:16:01] <jthornton> hmm I have to calculate a new I and K offset for each step up the arc
[07:17:34] <jthornton> hmm, no K is -chord_length/2 so that is easy
[07:24:50] <The_Ball> Anyone using NML in 2.8?
[08:18:28] <jthornton> lathe roughing on an arc profile anyone http://imagebin.ca/v/1lWEIEJGaDqx
[08:18:41] * jthornton heads to the shower
[08:23:58] <skunkworks> jthornton, very cool!
[08:24:27] <skunkworks> So - how hard is it to do a cleanup cut? (always want more..)
[08:24:56] <archivist> is that to the arc leaving part of the arc to size and some over
[08:25:24] <skunkworks> like http://www.bpuk.org/linuxcnc/g71_finish_allowances.png
[08:26:35] <PetefromTn_> how was that one programmed skunkie?
[08:27:06] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, someone had started writing a G71 gcode in linuxcnc.. (just not finished..)
[08:38:45] <jthornton> next item up for bid is an offset for a finish path
[08:39:14] <jthornton> pass
[08:41:51] <jdh> I could work on my lathe or go to florida and dive.
[08:44:45] <skunkworks> this was a bit of a pain with no lathe cam.. http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/TOP.JPG
[08:45:56] <PetefromTn_> I am looking forward to playing with the lathe portion of LinuxCNC. I read a little on that G70/G71 code apparently it is something like the HAAS lathe control setup. Is this currently supported?
[08:46:04] <skunkworks> I actually drew up the path in acad -> dxf2gcode -> hand edit (deleting all Z moves, changing Y to Z and J to K)
[08:46:22] <PetefromTn_> that does sound like a PIA..
[08:47:49] <JT_Shop> PetefromTn_, we don't have G70/71...
[08:48:09] <PetefromTn_> Just got a 20%off coupon from Enco in an email...on orders of $150.00 or more
[08:48:36] <PetefromTn_> well that sucks...:(
[08:48:47] <JT_Shop> skunkworks, when I'm done you will be able to feed it a series of line/arc combinations and a finish pass depth
[08:49:21] <JT_Shop> material size and feed rate etc and it will spit out a G code program to do the part
[08:49:24] <skunkworks> JT_Shop, what is the input? Gcode or dxf?
[08:49:38] <JT_Shop> oh and tool numbers if you have them
[08:49:43] <JT_Shop> G code
[08:49:46] <skunkworks> neat
[08:50:10] <JT_Shop> you can generate the arc G code pretty fast with my arc generator
[08:50:45] <JT_Shop> I worked on dxf for a while but got sidetracked
[08:51:13] <JT_Shop> I should build the arc generator into the Lathe G code Generator
[08:52:44] <archivist> skunkworks, I would probably hand turn that (graver)
[08:53:07] <skunkworks> I am not artistic enough to do that... :P
[08:55:04] <archivist> you use the friction under the graver as an arc point, less need for the artistic :)
[08:55:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321210152209 - fibreglass tow. Has anyone done filliment winding with linuxcnc?
[08:56:03] <SpeedEvil> What would generate the paths
[08:56:51] <archivist> someone did wind his guitar coils
[08:57:32] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'm wondering more structural things
[08:58:29] <archivist> as for wave winding just do the math and gearing in HAL
[09:00:56] <skunkworks> andy re-wound his spark coil with linuxcnc
[09:01:27] <jthornton> this is the line one http://imagebin.ca/v/1lWRM7iIb1S8
[09:02:08] <skunkworks> SpeedEvil, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLv9fmIqcQ
[09:03:52] <archivist> iirc it could have been mrsun who did the guitar coils
[09:04:51] <jthornton> I made a hal winder
[09:05:48] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YptjAPK0QE
[09:06:27] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks that is a cool top man. Looks nice does it spin forever LOL?
[09:07:00] <skunkworks> not quite.. :)
[09:09:20] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUU-RlV5X3c this is a windup
[09:50:27] <JT_Shop> yuck, a rainy day here
[09:55:35] <mrsun> archivist: huh ? :P
[09:55:40] <mrsun> ive never done any guitar coils =)
[09:55:58] <mrsun> ive programmed a transformer winder =)
[09:57:27] <syyl_ws> hey
[09:57:27] <syyl_ws> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/pro_g1l_teilkopf_backen_39.jpg
[09:57:33] <syyl_ws> making a set of chuck jaws?
[09:57:34] <syyl_ws> sure!
[09:57:35] <syyl_ws> :D
[10:05:07] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_3_5WldqnA Tool paths are fun!
[10:05:29] <SpeedEvil> syyl_ws: :)
[10:15:29] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo... Just got a check dropped off for some work I just finished. Best news is the customer dropped off a prototype one piece clamp that they want me to bid a couple hundred of for them. Hopefully I can get that job here and be making a bunch of parts more for them.
[10:15:57] <PetefromTn_> I have machined a couple clamps like this tho and while they are simple in design machining them is kinda complicatede.
[10:16:29] <PetefromTn_> rather holding it from flexing for the second side is the problem
[10:16:45] <PetefromTn_> since it is basically a split ring
[10:30:20] <CaptHindsight> lawyers and docs charge up front, why should a machinist have to wait to get paid?
[10:30:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL agreed..
[10:31:09] <PetefromTn_> but honestly the last two jobs I did I got paid in full up front without asking for it.
[10:31:22] <CaptHindsight> the problem is that too many will wait to get paid
[10:31:52] <PetefromTn_> the job I got paid for today is about 2/3 completed. still have two more ops to do but they are relatively simple ones.
[10:32:18] <PetefromTn_> He did pickup about a hundred other parts I machined over the weekend for him when he was here.
[10:32:56] <PetefromTn_> I really NEED to get this lathe up and running he has a bunch of lathe parts he wants me to bid. Sigh....
[10:34:22] <PetefromTn_> Plus I can make cool high performance tops like skunkie LOL
[10:35:01] <skunkworks> heh
[10:37:07] <skunkworks> I really just coppied this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tppyBSKsq0U
[10:37:37] <skunkworks> better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKf-eqShujM
[10:43:53] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man those are pretty cool tops...
[10:47:35] <PetefromTn_> How did you handle the parting off on it? Did you machine it in the same orientation as the second video or the other way around?
[10:50:41] <skunkworks> same - actually had a piece of wood in the tail stock chuck with a hole to center the top end.
[10:51:01] <skunkworks> worked ok. Needs a little tweeking
[10:51:39] <skunkworks> not bad for the first try
[10:55:03] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[11:01:13] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[12:37:21] <Tom_itx> JT_Shop, good stuff...
[12:40:06] <jthornton> Tom_itx, what stuff?
[12:40:30] <Tom_itx> your lathe arc thing
[12:40:38] <jthornton> ah thanks
[12:41:08] <Tom_itx> i still want to get my cam post figured out but been a bit busy
[12:48:08] <jfigie> Hi wiki says irc logs are at: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/ this link dosen't work for me. Is there a new location?
[12:48:18] <skunkworks> zlog,
[12:49:01] <skunkworks> logger[psha],
[12:49:01] <logger[psha]> skunkworks: Log stored at http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-12-22.html
[12:49:05] <skunkworks> logger[mah],
[12:49:05] <logger[mah]> skunkworks: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-12-22.html
[12:49:36] <archivist> bookmark
[12:49:36] <the_wench> yet another log is at http://emclog.archivist.info/
[13:35:46] <PetefromTn_> WooHooooooo... Just got a visit from the Postal man with a little package marked MESANET!!
[13:36:10] <postaL> You're welcome
[13:36:11] <postaL> :)
[13:36:20] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[13:36:47] <zeeshan> rofl
[13:36:49] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Hey man a huge THANK YOU for the 7i77 board...
[13:36:57] <zeeshan> it got fixed??!
[13:37:17] <PetefromTn_> either that or they sent it back without it being fixed but it is here now LOL
[13:37:24] <zeeshan> :)
[13:37:43] <zeeshan> the other day i was wiring the mesa
[13:37:48] <PetefromTn_> So now I have another complete 5i25/7i77 board
[13:37:48] <zeeshan> and i realized, damn those terminal blocks ar enice.
[13:37:52] <zeeshan> the removable kind
[13:38:01] <zeeshan> only mod i made was labeled em
[13:38:02] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah they are. makes wiring a lot easier
[13:38:25] <zeeshan> sweet pete
[13:38:28] <zeeshan> perfect for the lathe :)
[13:38:31] <zeeshan> now you have to get servos!
[13:38:37] <PetefromTn_> I lost my damn Vargus Shaviv deburring tool somewhere in the house/shop/ether
[13:38:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah exactly right I cannot wait to see this Lathe running.
[13:39:01] <PetefromTn_> Gonna be so kickass...
[13:39:26] <PetefromTn_> So anyways I ran down to fastenal to see if they had another handle since I have a bunch of the inserts here already
[13:39:49] <PetefromTn_> luckily they had a Set B kit with the new handle and a pair of close in inserts.
[13:40:40] <PetefromTn_> interestingly enough I found that the one I got from Fastenal has a steel shank that holds the tool with the ball bearing lock down while the old one I had was kind of a hard nylon with steel inside it.
[13:40:47] <PetefromTn_> I like this one much better
[13:41:38] <PetefromTn_> and I also grabbed another couple of thier HSS endmills that I have been using to good effect on aluminum parts that are not super critical.
[13:41:57] <PetefromTn_> I had to laugh because the guy there remembered me...
[13:42:08] <PetefromTn_> I asked him what was memorable about me LOL
[13:42:40] <PetefromTn_> he said well when you were here last time and wanted to buy that big countersink you kinda flipped out when I told you how much it costs...hehehee sounds like me
[13:42:53] <PetefromTn_> I had to chuckle about that one.
[13:43:08] <PetefromTn_> I guess I am a cheapass sometimes :D
[13:44:07] <archivist> losing stuff--
[13:45:04] <archivist> I went and bought a countersink the other day, too lazy to search for the two awol
[13:45:09] <Loetmichel> Hmmm. some companys are strange... my wife got a "payment reminder" fee of 8 eur... to pay a "payment reminder" fee of 4 eur ... for an invoice that was paid originally well within time. so yves rocher has lost a customer... and as many others as my wife can convince ;-)
[13:45:32] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[13:45:40] <PetefromTn_> damn bean counters
[13:45:51] <archivist> invoice them for wasting your time
[13:45:54] <PetefromTn_> archivist I loose so much stuff in the shop all the time
[13:46:20] <archivist> you lose stuff under the loose stuff
[13:46:21] <PetefromTn_> usually the thing I am looking for is within arms reach but it might as well be in calcutta
[13:47:03] <PetefromTn_> just yesterday I was running the mill making parts and looked down at my tool box ledge it was COVERED with strap clamps and bolts and screws all covering the touch off tool I was looking for.
[13:47:18] <PetefromTn_> I had to clean up and make everything nice and pretty again before I found what I was looking for.
[13:47:32] <PetefromTn_> I still can't find my vise grips pair out there somewhere.
[13:48:11] <PetefromTn_> I probably have two of every tool I have from giving up trying to find the first one I bought and just buying another one like you heh
[13:48:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/ArchiEngineering/photos/pcb.348478825349359/348478782016030/?type=1&theater This looks like something that would garner attention no?
[13:49:52] <archivist> look at that git in the flash car
[13:50:32] <PetefromTn_> I would get a ticket just for sitting in that thing
[13:52:33] <Jymmm> they' would have to catch me first.
[13:53:40] <Jymmm> And whie toe old saying is you can't outrun a motorola, you sure in the hell can jam them =)
[13:53:52] <Jymmm> and a nokia, samsung, etc
[13:55:12] <PetefromTn_> It sure is LOUD but I think I would take mine in silver or black or white probably. Awesome car.
[13:56:21] <Jymmm> Doubtful, would have to adjust the valves every 3-4 weeks
[13:56:24] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=915842898429348&set=vb.100000109397750&type=2&theater Pretty funny..
[13:56:57] <Jymmm> Just the suspension springs alone were $1200 each.
[13:57:41] <PetefromTn_> I am sure... I probably couldn't afford the horn button on that thing
[13:58:31] <Jymmm> Well, it was a LOT cheaper than all the lawyers =)
[13:59:56] <Jymmm> But, you COULD get a cobra replica though
[14:00:32] <PetefromTn_> It's funny you mention that. I know a guy that has a really nice Cobra Replica and good lord that thing is insane fast.
[14:00:40] <Jymmm> yu could even afford TWO horn buttons then
[14:01:22] <Jymmm> I dont like being in them
[14:01:47] <Jymmm> The foot wells are FAR TOO SMALL
[14:02:37] <Jymmm> My head stick above the roll bars
[14:02:43] <PetefromTn_> For me the toy car of choice would be something like this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWzYNHFrBw
[14:03:58] <Jymmm> Very smooth ride at 140MPH surprisingly.
[14:04:14] <Jymmm> The Fiero that is.
[14:04:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I had two of them now
[14:04:37] <PetefromTn_> Wanting another one hopefully soon
[14:04:49] <PetefromTn_> the best one I had was an 86 GT with the four speed.
[14:05:09] <PetefromTn_> should have never sold that car but had to unfortunately.
[14:05:36] <Jymmm> Eh, it was a friends he had non-descred custom under the hood
[14:06:14] <Jymmm> Had I known BEFORE hand what and why, I would have never gotten in it =)
[14:06:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh there are some really fast ones out there most have the buick 3800 and a big turbo ;)
[14:07:24] <Jymmm> looked/sounded 100% stock, that was the point.
[14:09:25] <PetefromTn_> that is actually not that hard to do because even stock they had kind of a growl to them
[14:11:13] <PetefromTn_> It's no supercar but it was a helluva fun car to drive I just love them.....it's a sickness LOL
[14:11:57] <CaptHindsight> which Cobra kits were these? I've seen them all over the place from using VW chassis to complete tube chassis and 460 Ford big blocks
[14:12:26] <PetefromTn_> my friends has a custom tubular chassis I don't know the name of the manufacturer
[14:15:01] <zeeshan> hi experts
[14:15:02] <PetefromTn_> it had a built 351 in it that was made to resemble the original motor somewhat.
[14:15:06] <zeeshan> what are you using to disconnect your cnc machines
[14:15:09] <zeeshan> i need something rated for 100 A
[14:15:17] <zeeshan> a knife blade type disconnect switch in its own enclosure?
[14:15:18] <zeeshan> ul98 rated?
[14:15:25] <zeeshan> or will ul508 work.
[14:15:58] <CaptHindsight> 100A disconnect switch from your local electrical distributor <$100
[14:16:23] <zeeshan> http://oakbluffclassifieds.com/Heavy-Industrial/Ge-general-electric-TH3363-disconnect-switch-100-amp-10-picture.jpg
[14:16:24] <zeeshan> that style?
[14:16:42] <zeeshan> i don't understand why it needs to be so huge
[14:16:45] <zeeshan> for 100A.. 240vac
[14:17:02] <PetefromTn_> Didn't your machine come with a big lever handle disconnect on the back of it?
[14:17:07] <zeeshan> pete it did
[14:17:10] <zeeshan> but only rated for 60A
[14:17:19] <zeeshan> i added 2 axis
[14:17:20] <CaptHindsight> is that one picture fused?
[14:17:24] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: yes.
[14:17:28] <zeeshan> even the unfused ones are like that
[14:17:29] <zeeshan> same size
[14:17:34] <zeeshan> they just dont have a provision for a fuse
[14:17:40] <zeeshan> i have upstream protection, so i dont need it to be fused
[14:18:09] <zeeshan> the ul98 din rail mount switches
[14:18:11] <zeeshan> are like 200$
[14:18:12] <zeeshan> ..
[14:19:42] <CaptHindsight> prices have gone up in the past 20-30 years :)
[14:22:06] <zeeshan> maybe you can see my issue
[14:22:16] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16051150846/
[14:22:22] <zeeshan> power entry needs to come on the very left.
[14:22:26] <zeeshan> where the fuse holders are
[14:23:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/EfFQS7a.jpg
[14:23:13] <zeeshan> only pic i have of this mess
[14:23:26] <zeeshan> the enclosures will be mounted where the moose is
[14:23:33] <zeeshan> below it
[14:23:53] <zeeshan> or maybe above the red tool boxes
[14:23:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-TG4323R-Spec-Setter-Safety-Switch-Disconnect-100-amp-3-pole-240-volt-/271716126961
[14:24:16] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: im gonna go to the local surplus
[14:24:27] <zeeshan> and see if they have one like that
[14:24:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIEMENS-HNF363R-100A-100-A-AMP-600V-NON-FUSIBLE-UNFUSED-SAFETY-DISCONNECT-SWITCH-/291312901067
[14:24:41] <CaptHindsight> or similar
[14:25:03] <zeeshan> be back in a bit
[14:25:39] <CaptHindsight> they will probably have knockouts but you should have any problem making the right sized holes where you need them
[14:25:46] <CaptHindsight> should not
[18:15:36] <gabi_> hi
[18:16:03] <gabi-cnc> hi
[18:17:07] <gabi-cnc> I have a stepper based CNC machine and i want to do a digitizing, what i need to do for that?
[18:26:31] <Tom_itx> a probe and a couple Gcodes
[18:28:11] <jfigie> A touch probe. The probe is opens a circuit when it touches an object.
[18:28:43] <jfigie> you need an input from the probe on your controller
[18:28:46] <gabi-cnc> I've start to made a probe, But how I set it up and get the 3D model?
[18:29:37] <Tom_itx> http://fadedbits.com/2011/02/touchprobe/
[18:29:41] <jfigie> Like Tom_itx said there are g code routines that will so it
[18:30:08] <Tom_itx> http://www.vinland.com/Touch-Probe.html
[18:30:18] <Tom_itx> that might help
[18:30:21] <gabi-cnc> what do you mean by controller? I have LPT Linux cnc > 3 stepper drivers > stepper motors
[18:30:47] <jfigie> linuxcnc is your controller you need an input from the probe
[18:31:10] <Tom_itx> go read the article
[18:31:37] <gabi-cnc> I'm reading now.
[18:32:03] <gabi-cnc> Yes this is the type of the probe that I've start to made.
[18:34:12] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the repeatability is of the vinland probe at 25C?
[18:34:58] <gabi-cnc> if I'm correct have 2 wire that functional as a normally close switch, and I need to connect them to some available pins in the LPT??
[18:36:16] <CaptHindsight> yes, you might want to use a LPT breakout board that will offer you a little protection against ESD or accidents when wiring
[18:37:07] <gabi-cnc> i have a LPT that I get for 4$
[18:37:32] <gabi-cnc> and so far no problems..
[18:38:18] <gabi-cnc> but how the digitizing software connect to the linux cnc?
[18:38:56] <CaptHindsight> LPT driver and HAL file
[18:39:44] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
[18:41:08] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Preventing_Probe_Crashes_Using_HAL http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid/index.php/italian/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/4551-any-complete-instructions-on-touch-probe-setup
[18:41:54] <gabi-cnc> but something not make sense here.
[18:42:59] <gabi-cnc> i need 2 computers for that? one for the linux cnc and one for the digitizing?
[18:43:29] <CaptHindsight> you can do it on one PC
[18:43:30] <PCW> no, you just need a single free input pin
[18:43:58] <PCW> (on a PC running linuxcnc)
[18:44:39] <CaptHindsight> gabi-cnc: what port and pins are you using now for your motion control?
[18:45:24] <gabi-cnc> I have no idea I've set it up looong time ago
[18:45:45] <CaptHindsight> single LPT port?
[18:45:57] <CaptHindsight> look it over and let us know
[18:47:00] <gabi-cnc> Yes it's singel LPT
[18:47:18] <CaptHindsight> any free pins?
[18:47:31] <gabi-cnc> everything so dusty.
[18:47:55] <CaptHindsight> and if not do you have a free PCI or PCIe slot to plug in a second LPT card?
[18:48:23] <gabi-cnc> there is 3 motors, 6 limit switches 1 E-stop.
[18:49:00] <gabi-cnc> i thint the limits and the E-stop go to the same input.
[18:49:27] <gabi-cnc> I think*
[18:49:34] <CaptHindsight> 3 motors (step + dir) x3 = 6 pins
[18:49:49] <gabi-cnc> Yes
[18:50:15] <CaptHindsight> well you'll have to check to really know
[18:53:37] <PetefromTn_> Cool the brown Santa just arrived and delivered my new 5C collet spin indexer and a set of 5C Collets....Now I can finish this project I am working on. Should be getting the 5C collet stop tomorrow.
[18:55:16] <gabi-cnc> hehe brown Santa
[19:05:27] <PetefromTn_> yup love that guy..
[19:09:55] <malcom2073> Brown santa, that just makes me think of hanky, the christmas poo
[19:10:30] <gabi-cnc> UPS has Brown uniforms.
[19:12:27] <malcom2073> I know
[19:13:21] <gabi-cnc> ok..
[19:14:13] <gabi-cnc> btw,, it's ok to connect all the limit switches to only one input?
[19:16:09] <gabi-cnc> http://www.georgegardner.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Screenshot-1.png
[19:16:56] <gabi-cnc> this guy separate them to X Y Z
[19:17:40] <PetefromTn_> This little spin index looks to be decent shape
[19:17:52] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to start using it on this project
[19:27:33] <gabi-cnc> PetefromTn_: you have a lathe?
[19:28:23] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah but it is a CNC lathe carcass currently unfortunately
[19:30:22] <gabi-cnc> what happen to it?
[19:31:07] <PetefromTn_> nothing I sold my manual 12x36 gear head lathe to be able to buy a decent CNC lathe and got a great deal on this one after someone gutted the control and some other parts.
[19:34:10] <gabi-cnc> my machine is very simple one with nema 23 stepper motors.
[19:34:58] <PetefromTn_> nice
[19:35:40] <PetefromTn_> I also have a Cincinatti Arrow 500 Vertical Machining Center that is running on linuxCNC. Altho it is not totally completed yet.
[19:51:45] <gabi-cnc> Approximate Weight ......................... 8,000 Lbs.
[19:53:04] <gabi-cnc> 6th' floor..
[19:54:24] <gabi-cnc> it will make a sink hole inside the building
[19:54:37] <gabi-cnc> PetefromTn_: up
[19:54:52] <PetefromTn_> what are you talking about?
[19:56:07] <gabi-cnc> your machine vs my..
[19:56:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is a heavy bitch LOL... but I love it!
[19:57:07] <PetefromTn_> It is running making parts as we speak
[19:59:00] <PetefromTn_> http://roanoke.craigslist.org/tls/4780276041.html DAMN that is cheap..
[19:59:57] <gabi-cnc> I'm in new youk :(
[20:00:05] <gabi-cnc> york*
[20:00:38] <PetefromTn_> http://lexington.craigslist.org/tls/4815908924.html Even better deal
[20:01:52] <gabi-cnc> I need to make a relocation.. so un fair.
[20:02:56] <gabi-cnc> 11 hours from me, hehe
[20:04:56] <PetefromTn_> I need to get my tailstock adjusted to the center height of this little 5C indexer...
[20:20:19] <gabi-cnc> so now you have something like that? https://www.penntoolco.com/images/catalog/318.gif
[20:20:51] <gabi-cnc> and you need the line center to go inside the collet?
[20:26:21] <PetefromTn_> line center?
[20:27:43] <PetefromTn_> but yeah like that only mine is green hehe
[20:28:17] <PetefromTn_> and I got a decent set of collets.... now I am going to setup my tailstock I had from another dividing head I sold awhile back for the same height..
[20:28:44] <PetefromTn_> so I can support some longer workpieces and do some indexing and milling on them in the VMC
[20:28:51] <PetefromTn_> Kind of a poor mans fourth axis..
[20:31:06] <gabi-cnc> Live center ** sorry.http://littlemachineshop.com/products/Images/480/480.1592.jpg
[20:32:59] <gabi-cnc> I don't get any notify here.. this is why it us very hard to make fluid conversation..
[20:35:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know actually it has a built in dead center this is not a high speed rotation in fact it is more a positioning and all manual so a live center is not really needed.
[20:38:45] <cathode> hi there
[20:38:56] <gabi-cnc> hi cathode
[20:40:13] <gabi-cnc> what cad program you are using?
[20:40:13] <cathode> not really a CNC question per-se but whats a favorite strategy for repairing an oops when you've drilled a through-hole in steel and it's not aligned right?
[20:41:02] <PetefromTn_> Tig weld it shut and start over..
[20:41:10] <cathode> i dont have a welder
[20:41:27] <cathode> but yeah otherwise i would try that. lol
[20:41:58] <gabi-cnc> cathode: you need to firs drill a spot with center drill, than you can start drill it with the regular drill.
[20:42:32] <cathode> no, see, i'm only off by about 1/4 of the diameter of the hole
[20:42:48] <SpeedEvil> More lube, and a slow feed.
[20:42:55] <PetefromTn_> make the hole bigger?
[20:43:22] <cathode> i wonder if a carbide router bit would work like a milling cutter if i put it in my drill press and went real slow...
[20:43:30] <PetefromTn_> take it somewhere and have someone weld it up for you... probably would not charge much..
[20:43:40] <SpeedEvil> cathode: if you can manage with enlarging the hole - dremel can work
[20:43:45] <SpeedEvil> how large is the hole?
[20:44:06] <SpeedEvil> and do you care about all the edges of the hole?
[20:44:14] <cathode> it's a 3/8" hole, but a 5/16" bolt is going through it. i made it larger intentionally to allow for adjustment of the thing being attached to it
[20:44:35] <SpeedEvil> So does the bit you cut out actually need to be filled in
[20:44:36] <cathode> i'm going to be using flanged nylock nuts so i *can* enlarge the hole a bit but not too much
[20:44:42] <SpeedEvil> or would you be fine with an extra hole?
[20:44:53] <gabi-cnc> try boring head
[20:44:55] <cathode> i was thinking of filling it with JB Weld
[20:45:05] <PetefromTn_> use a fender washer and the nuts..
[20:45:27] <cathode> sounds like maybe i should just redo the part
[20:45:28] <SpeedEvil> cathode: do you have any way of making a steel plug which will tightly fit?
[20:45:32] <cathode> no
[20:45:47] <SpeedEvil> cathode: any taps of around that diameter?
[20:46:11] <cathode> not really
[20:46:51] <SpeedEvil> Get a block, drill a hole through it.
[20:47:05] <SpeedEvil> Now, clamp it to the work in the right place, and go slow with plenty of lube
[20:47:38] <cathode> ah i see. the block to keep the bit from trying to jump into the original hole?
[20:48:05] <gabi-cnc> you need short drill bit.
[20:48:26] <gabi-cnc> if the drill jump to the original hole
[20:48:40] <gabi-cnc> and sloooow working.
[20:48:47] <SpeedEvil> cathode: yes
[20:49:14] <SpeedEvil> cathode: also - if the 'new' hole is seperated by more than the width of the web - that's a lot easier
[20:49:30] <SpeedEvil> centre-drill with a smaller hole, and the drill will at least somewhat want to follow that
[20:50:02] <cathode> hmmm
[20:50:02] <cathode> ok
[20:50:18] <SpeedEvil> But the block above will help lots too
[20:50:29] <SpeedEvil> As will a very rigid setup and a short drill
[20:50:31] <gabi-cnc> and you can also can tray with flat end mill
[20:50:37] <SpeedEvil> Drll presses are not ery rigid
[20:51:03] <zeeshan> depends on the drill press :)
[20:51:07] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
[20:51:20] <cathode> i've got a pretty decent one (for what i paid anyway)
[20:51:27] <zeeshan> if its more than 300 lb
[20:51:29] <zeeshan> its decent :)
[20:51:32] <cathode> it's a taiwan unit but it's got a 1HP motor
[20:51:36] <gabi-cnc> try*
[20:51:43] <cathode> not 300lbs but maybe 180-200?
[20:51:49] <zeeshan> thats pretty good too
[20:51:56] <zeeshan> the 100lb ones are floppy :/
[20:51:59] <cathode> it took me and my roommate together to move the head part inside
[20:52:12] <SpeedEvil> For a 3/8ths hole, just a bit offset, chain drilling out much of the waste with 2mm drillbits, say, then using a burr may be another option
[20:52:27] <cathode> hmmm.
[20:52:32] <SpeedEvil> Also, on the hacky side - wood drills can work for steel.
[20:52:41] <SpeedEvil> A lip and spur bit.
[20:52:52] <cathode> you mean a forstner bit?
[20:52:56] <SpeedEvil> no
[20:53:07] <SpeedEvil> http://slashdot.org/
[20:53:09] <SpeedEvil> err
[20:53:10] <SpeedEvil> doh
[20:53:12] <SpeedEvil> http://j0h.nl/lj0B/full
[20:53:14] <SpeedEvil> err
[20:53:16] <SpeedEvil> doh again
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[20:53:29] <zeeshan> rofl speedevil
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[20:53:33] <zeeshan> not a good day for
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[20:53:42] <zeeshan> :D
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[20:53:55] <gabi-cnc> What is all the sjkfdskjfhdkjhgk here??
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[20:54:01] <zeeshan> rofl that is the worlds longest link.
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[20:54:11] <LeelooMinai> O, one of those 42 Mpixel photos
[20:54:13] <cathode> good thing i'm used to the matrix. i don't even see the code anymore. just ... blonde, brunette... redhead...
[20:54:15] <zeeshan> hahah
[20:54:17] <SpeedEvil> oh come on
[20:54:19] <SpeedEvil> http://workshopcompanion.com/KnowHow/Tools/Sharpening/9_Sharpening_Drill_Bits/9_Sharpening_Drill_Bits_images/P178-1_402.jpg
[20:54:23] <SpeedEvil> gabi-cnc: that is an encoded jpeg
[20:54:27] <SpeedEvil> gabi-cnc: pages now sometimes include images inline
[20:54:42] <SpeedEvil> gabi-cnc: these are encoded in fake 'URLs' that really base-64 encode the 'file'
[20:54:58] <gabi-cnc> hoo i see.
[20:55:06] <gabi-cnc> base 64 image..
[20:55:09] <cathode> i think i'm going to try with a carbide router bit on a slow speed first
[20:55:14] <cathode> in the drill press
[20:55:18] <SpeedEvil> and are majorly annoying if you try to copy/paste the URL, for an obvious reason
[20:55:21] <SpeedEvil> cathode: good luck
[20:56:12] <cathode> it's just a support bracket out of 2x2x1/8" angle iron, if it's not easily salvageable i'll just make another set
[20:56:45] <cathode> thanks for the advice, i might try the idea with the block
[20:57:18] <SpeedEvil> I find it almost as useful to think about others problems as to hit them myself.
[20:57:42] <SpeedEvil> Great for learning
[21:06:43] <gabi-cnc> Go for few..
[21:13:43] <cathode> yeah i like to hang out on stackoverflow and serverfault for that reason
[21:13:57] <cathode> well i will try to salvage my existing brackets but i made another mistake
[21:14:44] <cathode> this was a planning/design derp. i drilled holes that are in the same position on each flange. so with the head of the bolt sticking out, they interfere
[21:15:31] <cathode> this is support brackets for bolting down the table surface of my custom made wood-cutting bandsaw.
[21:15:56] <cathode> so i can just move the table 3/4" in one direction and just drill new holes in the steel for everything
[21:16:11] <cathode> and probably tap them this time instead of through-bolting
[21:42:58] <PetefromTn_> Awesome...I just finished two jobs totalling a couple hundred pieces for a good customer just now on the Cinci. It ran BEAUTIFULLY thru it all and the second part was three different operations...!!
[21:50:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:50:53] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_: linuxcnc is pretty awesome..
[21:51:57] <PetefromTn_> yup so far on this machine other than the occasional real time error that pops up it has been DEAD FREAKIN' RELIABLE
[21:55:00] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow I have to start another project that should take some time making ten larger plates and some engraving and then after the plates are completed I will be working with that new Spin indexer in a vertical orientation mounted on my large cast iron angle plate.
[21:55:24] <pcw_home> if you have a atom D525 or similar, they marginal for complicated machines
[21:55:39] <pcw_home> are marginal
[21:55:51] <PetefromTn_> why do you say that?
[21:55:58] <mozmck> pcw_home: what do you recommend instead?
[21:56:33] <pcw_home> Now I would suggest one of the J1800/1900s
[21:56:44] <mozmck> I see.
[21:57:35] <pcw_home> I say it after noticing that they cannot manage a 1.5 KHz servo thread on a very simple system
[21:58:41] <PetefromTn_> Great.. I built the damn machine around one.
[21:58:51] <pcw_home> the latency test is not the end of the story, the latency test uses minimal resources and does no I/O
[21:58:59] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Your running a 1Khz Servo thraed.
[21:59:47] <PetefromTn_> Ok
[21:59:49] <furrywolf> I missed the start of this conversation, but to agree with that statement, while the latency test never goes over 11something us, I have to set the base thread to 15 to avoid real time errors, not 12...
[22:00:17] <PetefromTn_> is this a change I can make easily to avoid the real time errors?
[22:00:18] <Connor> You real time errors are on startup normally ? Never during operation ?
[22:00:50] <PetefromTn_> honeslty it is usually when it sits for awhile without doing anything it seems. and occasionally on startup.
[22:01:01] <furrywolf> I tried it at 12 before, and got them very rarely during operation. 15 made them go away. I haven't done extensive testing, care of breakout board failure.
[22:01:58] <PetefromTn_> not a computer guy here how hard is it to change this?
[22:02:02] <Connor> Might be a BIOS setting that needs to be look at.
[22:02:06] <pcw_home> furrywolf: normally for software stepping the base thread is set to double the worst case latency
[22:02:39] <Connor> Possibly something with power management..
[22:03:05] <PetefromTn_> Once these current projects are completed I definitely want to try to convert the native units back to imperial. Hopefully over the Christmas Break.
[22:03:05] <pcw_home> Yes, you need to turn off all power management
[22:03:49] <furrywolf> I wish my bios had power management options... I get a really pathetically bad spike on switching to battery from ac... but, if I lose AC, I'm losing the steppers and spindle anyway, so I'm ignoring it. 750us!
[22:03:54] <PetefromTn_> Connor Did we not do that when we first started?
[22:04:13] <Connor> I thought we did, but, we could have missed something.
[22:04:34] <Connor> Might also want to check and make sure were only using 1 Core.. I've heard that multi core can cause issues too.
[22:04:42] <pcw_home> Laptops are not suggested basically for that reason, they often have power management features you cannot disable
[22:05:00] <PetefromTn_> stupid question here
[22:05:15] <furrywolf> pcw: fortunately, I only seem to have that one, as far as I can tell... and it's only triggered by something that'll cause the job to fail anyway.
[22:05:21] <PetefromTn_> is the J1800/J1900 MB's the same layout as the D525 atoms?
[22:05:48] <pcw_home> there are many, some are probably similar
[22:06:37] <PetefromTn_> sure would be nice if there was one that had similar mounting or ideally the same mounting points and I could easily swap it out if I cannot get the current board sorted the way I want.
[22:06:42] <furrywolf> pcw: if you end up with an ethernet fpga board you want to get rid of, I'd certainly consider it. :P
[22:06:49] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yes. MiniITX
[22:07:15] <furrywolf> but, baring finding such a board for a quarter of retail, I'm stuck with software stepping for now, and the laptop seems like it should work.
[22:07:19] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132104&cm_re=j1800i-a-_-13-132-104-_-Product
[22:07:20] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home BTW man THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the 7i77 board repair my friend. It will come in real handy very soon hopefully if money permits.
[22:07:35] <furrywolf> barring
[22:07:46] <pcw_home> theres one that pretty much like the d525s
[22:08:04] <Connor> pcw_home: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128688 Gigabyte version..
[22:08:09] <PetefromTn_> shit and it is not bad priced either.
[22:08:24] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_: turn off hyperthreading
[22:08:49] <PetefromTn_> hell even cheaper!
[22:09:08] <PetefromTn_> I really like the mini ITX setup it is so compact and easy to schtuff inside the cabinet.
[22:09:34] <PetefromTn_> my RF45 had a MIni ITX PC on it when I first built it but it died on me.. it was a used machine.
[22:09:36] <skunkworks> you would have to run the newer debian based install with those machines I think. (they have usb problems with the older realtime..)
[22:09:46] * Tom_itx hugs his D525
[22:10:07] <Connor> skunkworks: Oh? 10.04 won't play nice ?
[22:10:29] <pcw_home> Connor thats pcie
[22:10:33] <skunkworks> Unless the new rtai works with older installs (I don't know) the usb's wont work.
[22:10:45] <skunkworks> the 1900 version has a pci slot
[22:11:18] <PetefromTn_> that bites.. I use the USB for my keyboard with built in touchpad as well as for my flash drives.
[22:11:19] <Connor> pcw_home: Oh. Didn't notice.
[22:11:28] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698&cm_re=j1900-_-13-128-698-_-Product
[22:11:45] <pcw_home> (skunkworks board I think)
[22:11:50] <skunkworks> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698&cm_re=j1900_gigabyte-_-13-128-698-_-Product
[22:11:58] <skunkworks> heh
[22:12:06] <PetefromTn_> you have that one?
[22:12:33] <skunkworks> I have both of those actually - the 1900 is a quad core and has pci and dual nics.. I think it is the better of the two.
[22:12:59] <skunkworks> I have had it running both the 7i80 and 5i25 on the same system. (testing)
[22:13:08] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Honestly, I don't think your machine is complicated enough to worry worth with it.. I think it might be related to multicore or hyper threading or something silly like that that we need to look at.
[22:13:11] <PetefromTn_> what of the idea of running it on single core Connor was talking about?
[22:13:32] <Tom_itx> dedicates a core to it
[22:13:48] <skunkworks> there are a bunch of things to try.. Disable hyperthreading, isolcpus, idle=poll...
[22:14:32] <Connor> RT errors on startup or when idle.. suggest issue with one of those...
[22:14:39] <PetefromTn_> honestly the machine works so well right now the very occasional error is not even a bother to me. The metric thing is much more of a concern right now but I would love to take care of all of these little annoyances.
[22:14:42] <Tom_itx> i think i disabled hyperthreading
[22:15:39] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-495-_-Product
[22:15:40] <pcw_home> is neat also (tiny wall wart power supply)
[22:16:02] <PetefromTn_> I will probably pickup one of those boards here in awhile for the CNC lathe project. Nice to have the latest greatest.
[22:17:01] <skunkworks> no pci slot
[22:17:20] <Connor> just a PCIExpress
[22:17:21] <PetefromTn_> what is the advantage of that one?
[22:17:24] <pcw_home> no but ok for Ether/PCIE/EPP
[22:17:32] <skunkworks> sure
[22:17:45] <pcw_home> no giant ATX power supply needed
[22:18:41] <Tom_itx> is max intereval or max jitter the number you plug into the SERVO_PERIOD?
[22:19:03] <pcw_home> servo period is nominally 1 KHz
[22:19:05] <Tom_itx> or BASE_PERIOD for that matter..
[22:19:21] <Tom_itx> do don't mess with that?
[22:19:25] <Tom_itx> so*
[22:19:34] <pcw_home> no
[22:19:45] <Tom_itx> just base period if it's used?
[22:19:51] <Tom_itx> i'm not using base period
[22:20:07] <Connor> So, as of Jan 5th.. I have guys coming to remediate my house and remove the mold etc..
[22:20:10] <pcw_home> basicacally 1 KHz is fine for most velocity mode servo systems or hardware stepgens
[22:20:12] <Tom_itx> should i be?
[22:20:20] <Connor> I'll be living in a RV for a week or two...
[22:20:30] <PetefromTn_> campout!!
[22:20:35] <pcw_home> a base thread is not needed with hardware stepgens
[22:20:45] <Tom_itx> i ran a latency test recently and wondered if i should change it to reflect that
[22:20:46] <PetefromTn_> make sure you bring the marshmallows
[22:20:55] <Tom_itx> yeah i knew that
[22:21:16] <Tom_itx> so just leave it at 1Khz
[22:21:18] <pcw_home> might be a bit on the inclement side for camping
[22:21:23] <furrywolf> some people live in RVs full time. myself, I have wayyyyy too much crap for that. :P
[22:21:55] <PetefromTn_> would be hard to fit my Cinci in an RV...let alone all my other SCHTUFF!
[22:21:58] <Connor> Yea.. but, not my idea of fun.. seeing as I work from home..
[22:23:32] <furrywolf> I could live in an RV parked next to a big steel building... I don't have much in the way of non-shop stuff... some dishes, some furniture, a couple kitchen appliances, a couple boxes of toys, a couple laptops... the rest is shop stuff. :)
[22:24:32] <Tom_itx> heck put a couch in the office with the cad cam in a nice size steel building and you may never see me again
[22:24:58] <Tom_itx> full of machines of course
[22:25:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah I could do that.....but the wife....not so much LOL
[22:28:42] <PetefromTn_> Been thinking it might help me understand some of this stuff if I were to get one of those boards and build a little mock up linuxcNC setup and play with it offline for the lathe so I can get the hang of some of this programming stuff.
[22:29:15] <Tom_itx> http://imgur.com/gallery/jvh7z3C
[22:29:35] <PetefromTn_> I already have a pair of large monitors I will be using, I have a couple keyboards but I need to probably get another one of these dust/coolant/crap proof ones for it.
[22:31:08] <furrywolf> tom: that's a very full breaker panel... possibly too full. what's the wire limit on one of those anyway? :)
[22:31:39] <Tom_itx> probably less than that
[22:31:46] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a buncha BS to me LOL
[22:32:03] <furrywolf> that's, what, over 50 circuits coming from the big panel?
[22:33:50] <furrywolf> ok, imgur is pissing me off once again. how do you make it bigger? I don't want to like it, dislike it, share it, meme it, or any of the other utterly useless crap they have buttons for... I want to SEE THE FUCKING IMAGE.
[22:35:07] <PetefromTn_> bottom right settings open in nwq window
[22:39:09] <furrywolf> speaking of things I can't afford... why have SSD prices gone up 50% since I last looked two weeks ago?
[22:39:23] <Connor> Supply and Demand.
[22:44:04] <furrywolf> and a random windows question: if I swap drives between two identical laptops, is windows going to get pissed off for some stupid reason only windows would care about?
[22:44:52] <XXCoder1> think it would detect motherboard and videocard change
[22:45:11] <XXCoder1> and ask register or something? dunno
[22:45:12] <furrywolf> they're identical, other than any serial numbers hidden somewhere...
[22:46:33] <furrywolf> I have two identical toughbook cf-29s, one for the mill, one for working on cars... the one for working on cars has a broken battery door, making it no longer waterproof, but this is less of an issue for the one for the mill, since I have to run it with the port covers open anyway... I guess I'll just swap the drives and see what happens.
[22:47:01] <XXCoder1> yeah
[22:48:00] <furrywolf> I hosed down the one for the mill today. the keyboard was grimey, so I used a scotchbrite pad under running water. I (heart) toughbooks. :)
[22:48:09] <XXCoder1> :)]
[22:48:47] <furrywolf> too tired to deal with it tonight, though. tomorrow project.
[22:54:52] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[22:56:12] <XXCoder1> later
[22:57:04] <furrywolf> cyas