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[00:02:27] <[cube]> migth be titanium
[00:02:42] <[cube]> titanium is approx same weight as aluminum
[00:02:50] <[cube]> and when you grind it it makes tell tale white sparks
[00:03:12] <[cube]> i say titanium because its typically 'biologically safe'
[00:04:41] <zeeshan|2> ok ill take a look
[00:05:24] <XXCoder1> titanium is fun. It's actually quite common in earth but we just has no effecient way to get it in metal form
[00:05:38] <XXCoder1> did you guys know alum was more valuable than gold?
[00:05:55] <XXCoder1> thats why certain phillic symbol of usa is capped with alum
[00:09:31] <tiwake> I was turning titanium earlier today
[00:09:49] <tiwake> I'll go back and (hopefully) finish that little project tomorrow
[00:10:24] <XXCoder1> cool
[00:23:42] <[cube]> guys, any ideas on how to improve this acme nut (replace it with something quick and easy)
[00:23:43] <[cube]> http://i.imgur.com/GunwF7R.jpg
[00:24:42] <[cube]> wondering if there's some anti-backlash alternative that's spring loaded or something
[00:24:42] <[cube]> im sure there is but I don't know where to source it
[00:39:50] <renesis> thats sliced the wrong way
[01:33:41] <archivist> sliced the right way to adjust backlash, tighten the screw across the slice, if it is too stiff on part of the travel the screw is worn
[01:36:47] <archivist> [cube], ^^
[01:48:19] <renesis> archivist: yeah mine is sliced lengthwise
[01:48:39] <renesis> and you just tighten the nut onto the screw
[01:49:32] <archivist> that is only ok if the nut/screw has enough clearance else it will just trap the screw
[01:49:39] <renesis> the perpendicular slice seems like it would wear faster, shrug
[01:50:22] <renesis> not sure what you mean
[01:50:23] <archivist> well it should be two parts cut in the middle with a proper adjuster
[01:51:13] <renesis> its just a big brass nut sliced down one side
[01:51:49] <archivist> I know, it relies on the taper of the thread form in your case
[01:51:59] <renesis> two screws to clamp, one screw in between that puts force to open it up, lock screw
[01:53:23] <archivist> nearly every one else does it in the direction of the working forces
[01:53:26] <renesis> the one pictured above seems like it would wear quick, then maybe break trying to tighten it down more
[01:53:36] <renesis> right but with a bigass spring
[01:54:54] <renesis> brass stuff is consumable, so it seems like you kind of get a limited amount of adjustment on that one before need to replace
[01:55:36] <archivist> the better ones have two parts and adjusting screw/nut, the spring method adds friction but can deal with variation in screw wear
[01:56:14] <renesis> oh like another brass nut that floats?
[01:56:22] <renesis> and then screws to offset?
[01:56:33] <renesis> yeah that would last a long time
[01:58:48] <archivist> your type can still have backlash even though you have adjusted it to be tight rotationally
[02:01:29] <archivist> I have seen split nuts on lathes where all the thread has worn away and no amount of grip would get any travel they, just grip the outer of the thread
[02:18:35] <Deejay> moin
[03:05:04] <renesis> archivist: yeah its usually little less than .001 on my thing so i dont always set backlash in config
[03:05:50] <renesis> i dont really think it has the power to wear the nut down enough to be non functional
[10:59:27] <archivist> bit quiet in here. I imagine everyone being dragged out for xmas shopping
[11:03:24] <pcw_home> bah humbug!
[11:03:30] <roycroft> i'm brewing today
[11:04:10] <roycroft> i'm allergic to malls, and so it's especially important to avoid them this time of year
[11:04:17] <roycroft> my reaction could be strong and sutained
[11:04:19] <roycroft> sustained
[11:31:22] <Tom_itx> archivist, we were out walking on black friday and it was pretty bleak. i think everyone is still sleeping
[11:31:49] <Tom_itx> puppy pee call got me up
[11:33:25] <Tom_itx> what's a good method to make a delay relay so logic power comes up after the main power is settled?
[11:33:47] <Tom_itx> i'm sure i could buy a delay relay
[11:51:21] <archivist> or get the logic settled before you run up the main power
[12:00:26] <Tom_itx> it relies on the main power for it's source
[13:59:16] * Loetmichel just pours himself another "peat tea" for the evening... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15413&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... i should get an approbiate glass ;-)
[14:01:14] <renesis> guys guys
[14:01:26] <renesis> 3 axis mill, limit and home switches on a parport
[14:02:24] <renesis> all home switches in parallel, then parallel limit switches for each axis
[14:02:34] <renesis> sounds good?
[14:05:22] <Loetmichel> sounds ok
[14:05:32] <Loetmichel> but i would omit the linit switches
[14:05:37] <Loetmichel> for a stepper CNC
[14:05:49] <Loetmichel> they are only useful in servo cncs
[14:06:08] <Loetmichel> because steppers caant destroy something / cant "run away"
[14:08:04] <zeeshan> ??
[14:08:13] <zeeshan> all you need is an overload condition
[14:08:19] <zeeshan> and you can screw up your positioning
[14:08:26] <zeeshan> limit switches are absolutely necessary
[14:09:29] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: usually in "normal" home mills the steppers are simply not powerful enough to destroy a thing
[14:09:48] <Loetmichel> they just ram the mechanical ends and rattle around there
[14:09:52] <Loetmichel> without any damage
[14:10:12] <zeeshan> shrug my lathe uses 3:1 1200oz-in
[14:10:19] <zeeshan> it can likely do damage :P
[14:10:21] <Loetmichel> but as i said: just my own experience
[14:11:41] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: the usual "cnc6040" and similar has about 1Nm stepeprs direct driving a 16*4mm ballscrew
[14:11:48] <Loetmichel> you cant destroy anything with that
[14:11:52] <Loetmichel> not even a finger
[14:11:59] <Loetmichel> tried that multiple times ;-)
[14:12:04] <Loetmichel> ... accidentally
[14:12:16] <Loetmichel> unless you put the finger under the rotating mill bit ;-)
[14:29:02] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15977406582/
[14:29:06] <zeeshan> im suprised the factory cnc box
[14:29:12] <zeeshan> didnt use insulated connectors
[14:29:16] <zeeshan> the blades are so close :P
[14:29:55] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Tr48IBIRL._SX300_.jpg
[14:29:56] <zeeshan> like that
[14:29:56] <zeeshan> :D
[14:31:20] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: uh.
[14:31:41] <Loetmichel> i wpuld at least use a bit of shrink tube on that car connectors
[14:42:19] <Loetmichel> ha, that laphroaig is absolutely great... just have to thin it with a bit of water... (too strong otherwise ;-)
[14:42:42] <ssi> D:
[15:03:49] <dutchfish> hi, i am in need for a gcode editor that does colorcoding, does one excists?
[15:05:08] <dutchfish> i also want to know if there is a doc out there that lists all the gcode commands, with a short explanation
[15:06:13] <pcw_home> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Highlighting_In_Gedit
[15:06:48] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[15:07:44] <dutchfish> pcw_home, thanks, can this be done in other editors as well? i use mainly kate, geany, mcedit (i have no gnome)
[15:09:13] <dutchfish> pcw_home, and thanks again for the gcode link, that helps me alot!
[15:21:20] <pcw_home> dont know about the other editors, pretty sure there's a gcode mode for emacs though
[15:30:53] <LatheBuilder> nick <LatheBuilder2>
[15:31:46] <LatheBuilder2> Hello! Anyone on who has tuned a servo system with Mesa hardware? I have a bit of a silly question to ask.
[15:32:26] <LatheBuilder2> My servo amp itself is tuned from the previous installation on this machine (retrofit). Drives are set to zero drift.
[15:33:45] <ssi> lots of us have
[15:33:53] <LatheBuilder2> Is it good practive to have the drive and linuxcnc's P, ff1, & ff2 all tuned? Drive first. That is how I am reading Mr. Thornton's tutorial on gnipsel.com
[15:34:02] <ssi> yeah, that's the way I do it
[15:34:12] <ssi> once you have it set up so that you can jog the axis around, watch it in halscope
[15:34:23] <ssi> you can fine-tune the drift by looking at the velocity trace in scope
[15:34:32] <ssi> if the velocity trace is dead zero, then it's not drifting
[15:34:54] <LatheBuilder2> Thanks for the sanity check ssi
[15:34:58] <ssi> if the trace goes above or below zero, that means that the drive is drifting and linuxcnc is having to output a non-zero velocity to hold it constant
[15:35:19] <ssi> sorry not the velocity trace, the error trace
[15:35:39] <ssi> then you turn up P til it gets unstable
[15:35:43] <ssi> then the long fast cruises
[15:35:55] <ssi> you should see a bump in error, then it'll settle out to a finite error amount, then a reverse bump on the decel
[15:36:10] <ssi> tune FF1 to null the steady-state error
[15:36:24] <ssi> then tune FF2 to null the accel error, the bumps at the beginning and end
[15:36:35] <ssi> it's pretty easy with that method
[15:39:01] <LatheBuilder2> right on. For anyone listening in that helped me last week, turns out it was on a travel limit switch. somewhat embarassing but it was doing its job correctly. OT override to get it back off the limit and I was good to go again
[15:41:40] <LatheBuilder2> The tip from pcw_home turned out to be just the thing. Checked through the config files and realized nothing was broken there...traced the estop circuit again and found the OT switch tripped.
[15:43:11] <LatheBuilder2> (stepping away from chat to get on with tuning)
[16:05:17] <renesis> 23:52:36 < Loetmichel> zeeshan: usually in "normal" home mills the steppers are simply not powerful enough to destroy a thing
[16:05:44] <renesis> yeah if i have an endmill spinning, and it gets thrown off, id want it to stop
[16:05:51] <renesis> because endmills crashing can fuck shit up
[16:06:02] <renesis> even if the motors dont have enough power to jam anything at limits
[16:06:13] <zeeshan> i dunno about you
[16:06:20] <zeeshan> but i dont like motors crashing into shit
[16:06:24] <zeeshan> even if they dont do damage
[16:06:25] <zeeshan> :P
[16:06:36] <renesis> well thats the point
[16:06:55] <zeeshan> but hey, if he likes having stuff crash
[16:06:58] <renesis> id rather have the machine stop than the shit hit end and fall off the screw of lock up
[16:06:59] <zeeshan> more power to him :P
[16:07:02] <renesis> and throw itself further off
[16:07:19] <Loetmichel> renesis: cant follow you
[16:07:46] <Loetmichel> if the machine moves to end position it simply stops because there is an mechanical bumper
[16:07:51] <renesis> if there is an error condition do to overloading, and that causes the axis to reach limits during another move, i want it to stop
[16:08:00] <renesis> until it moves the other way
[16:08:10] <renesis> its not like it will stay stopped
[16:08:18] <Loetmichel> renesis: stepper axis wont know that they are overloaded
[16:08:18] <renesis> my steppers have never gotten stuck, really
[16:08:34] <Loetmichel> and end limot switches wont help in that situation either
[16:08:35] <renesis> right but stepper axis can tell if its gone too far
[16:08:43] <renesis> they may eventually
[16:08:50] <renesis> if it survives the overload condition
[16:09:04] <renesis> and its now offset from actual position
[16:09:11] <renesis> a movement might cause it to reach limits
[16:09:11] <Loetmichel> no, it cant
[16:09:20] <renesis> with switches it would stop cycle
[16:09:28] <renesis> without switches it keeps fuckin up
[16:09:33] <Loetmichel> unless you have a form of position control
[16:09:37] <renesis> eh?
[16:09:40] <Loetmichel> ie_ encoders on the stepper shafts
[16:09:45] <renesis> if it hits a switch when its not supposed to itll stop
[16:10:00] <Loetmichel> limit switches will do nothing there either
[16:10:05] <renesis> why not
[16:10:06] <zeeshan> they wont?
[16:10:11] <zeeshan> the stepper will keep running?
[16:10:12] <zeeshan> ..?
[16:10:14] <zeeshan> theyre hard limits.
[16:10:14] <renesis> what are limit switches for then?
[16:10:17] <Loetmichel> yes, but thats WAY to late
[16:10:21] <renesis> eh?
[16:10:21] <zeeshan> no its not.
[16:10:22] <Deejay> gn8
[16:10:25] <renesis> better than never
[16:10:32] <renesis> and it could be next movement
[16:10:37] <renesis> if the stepper was near limits
[16:10:40] <zeeshan> ive bashed into my limit switch at G00
[16:10:44] <zeeshan> it stops perfectly fine.
[16:10:54] <Loetmichel> renesis: they are good for noting on a small stepper mill. as i tried to say ;)=
[16:11:03] <renesis> eh?
[16:11:21] <renesis> dude how is stopping the machine when its offset from controlled position good for nothing
[16:11:25] <Loetmichel> and it would have stopped a fewm mm later anyways because there would be the mechainical stop ;-)
[16:11:34] <renesis> um
[16:11:41] <zeeshan> lol
[16:11:41] <renesis> not if it was offset the other way
[16:11:51] <zeeshan> renesis i think he gets that
[16:12:07] <zeeshan> he just seems to think its better to bash your stepper with a meech stop
[16:12:17] <zeeshan> and sending a nice shock through your screw
[16:12:19] <renesis> even if that happens it wont stop
[16:12:20] <zeeshan> and machine
[16:12:28] <zeeshan> and let your stepper driver output
[16:12:30] <zeeshan> a shit load of current
[16:12:34] <renesis> my machine hits ends, get stuck, and then goes the other way
[16:12:37] <renesis> like nothing happens
[16:12:37] <Loetmichel> to make that clear as glass: i am NOT talking about biog machiens with tons of table that moves with thick powerful servos
[16:12:43] <zeeshan> and overheat your stepper :P
[16:12:45] <renesis> hitting the ends doesnt get it stuck permanent
[16:12:59] <Loetmichel> have shoot off a mechanical stop in a test run myself with such a monster
[16:13:07] <zeeshan> Loetmichel: the point of a limit siwtch is
[16:13:10] <zeeshan> is to kill power
[16:13:12] <Loetmichel> (flew across the hall into the drywall)
[16:13:18] <zeeshan> your mechaniczl stop method means itll keep consuming power
[16:13:26] <zeeshan> until you intervene yourself.
[16:13:30] <renesis> itll just keep running the cycle
[16:13:38] <Loetmichel> it will untils someone hits the estop. right
[16:13:39] <renesis> but offset on the axis
[16:13:42] <zeeshan> yea
[16:13:45] <renesis> what estop
[16:13:50] <zeeshan> and thats not a good idea when you're not paying attention
[16:13:56] <Loetmichel> [esc] :-)
[16:13:58] <zeeshan> which is when stuff likes to f up
[16:13:59] <zeeshan> :)
[16:13:59] <renesis> the limits are basically estop
[16:14:08] <renesis> its not supposed to hit limits during a cycle
[16:14:11] <renesis> if it does, it stops
[16:15:30] <Loetmichel> renesis: in short i was saying: i would omit the limit swichtes on small machines because usually they have not the power to damage the ways and you need any mm travel on small machines anyway, so the ~5mm you'll need as headroom for the swiches may be an annoyance.
[16:15:47] <renesis> they can damage the table
[16:16:08] <renesis> they can damage the fixture, waste a tool, damage the bed
[16:16:20] <Loetmichel> they can do all that with limit switches too
[16:16:30] <renesis> right but theres a chance it may be stopped
[16:16:49] <Loetmichel> unless you have limitswitches that can beadjusted to take care of the higher workpiece becuase you new mill bit is longer...
[16:17:06] <renesis> um
[16:17:31] <renesis> adjusting the headstock wouldnt change the Z mount versus the Z column
[16:17:44] <Loetmichel> there is literally no scenario where the limit swithches would have prevented ANY of my failures
[16:17:45] <renesis> and Z isnt the only axis
[16:18:00] <renesis> thats nice, that doesnt mean they wouldnt prevent any failure
[16:18:37] <Loetmichel> but any failure they would prevent are the ones where one would have pressed estop WAY in advance
[16:18:53] <renesis> what if i was turned the other way for a few seconds
[16:18:55] <renesis> or minutes
[16:19:16] <Loetmichel> renesis: then you are to blame. not the machine
[16:19:32] <Loetmichel> machines KNOW when you look aways and start to fuck up then
[16:19:35] <renesis> sure, typical cnc tech jokes involve going for coffee
[16:19:47] <renesis> but that doesnt change that automation can prevent human error in some instances
[16:19:50] <renesis> which is the whole point
[16:19:57] <Loetmichel> ... thats why i have my CNC at the company setup with camera and VNC ;-)
[16:19:59] <renesis> also the error could happen in a matter of seconds
[16:20:17] <renesis> yeah because a camera and vnc is gonna help you notice and hit the estop in time
[16:20:23] <Loetmichel> so i could supervise it from the office
[16:20:31] <Loetmichel> it does
[16:20:33] <renesis> youve yet to say why having limit switches is a bad thing
[16:20:39] <Loetmichel> ok, one second lag in there
[16:20:50] <renesis> it could fuckup in a half second
[16:20:52] <Loetmichel> i never said its a bad thing, just useless
[16:20:56] <renesis> um
[16:21:15] <renesis> it locks up feeding 1in to the left .25" into the movement
[16:21:25] <renesis> then tries to feed .75" to the right
[16:21:29] <Loetmichel> s/useless: not worth the lack in travel on small machines
[16:21:33] <renesis> but its only .25" from the limit
[16:21:43] <renesis> right before a 1" plunge
[16:21:50] <renesis> limit goes off instead of it plunging
[16:22:00] <renesis> that was hella simple to think of
[16:22:06] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
[16:22:07] <renesis> anyway, later
[16:31:43] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: There's probably a way to tweak some latency out of that.
[16:32:35] <Loetmichel> i have already tweaked out about 2 seconds of latency
[16:32:49] <Loetmichel> the last ~half second will be the codec i think
[16:33:23] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: The codec is what I was talking about. I assume you're using x264?
[16:33:29] <Loetmichel> works perfect for detecting a broken bit, tho ;-)
[16:33:34] <Loetmichel> no, mjpeg
[16:33:53] <Loetmichel> the machine is only an athlon 64 x2
[16:33:57] <Loetmichel> 3ghz
[16:34:11] <Loetmichel> tha has not enough power to do the milling AND encoding x264 ;-)
[16:34:33] <FinboySlick> I haven't toyed with it in a long time but mjpeg should give you a theorical latency of just one frame.
[16:34:47] <Loetmichel> i know
[16:35:23] <FinboySlick> Buffering in the USB camera?
[16:35:33] <Loetmichel> possible
[16:35:59] <FinboySlick> ps3 move cameras are pretty fast if you want low latency usb cam on the cheap.
[16:36:06] <Loetmichel> and i found no way to send the mjpeg steram from the camera directly without recoding it
[16:36:13] <Loetmichel> that would be the best solution
[16:36:25] <Loetmichel> you have seen the cam?
[16:36:52] <Loetmichel> the black pin in the vacuum hood around the mill bit?
[16:37:07] <Loetmichel> uts one of these "waterproof endoscope" cams
[16:37:12] <FinboySlick> Wasn't sure.
[16:38:13] <FinboySlick> That doesn't solve streaming, but you can check the latency of the cam itself by watching the local v4l stream with mplayer.
[16:38:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/USB-Endoskop-Kamera-15m-Mini-Inspektion-Kanal-spy-wire-cam-wasserdicht-4-LED-DE-/351107363664?pt=Mess_Pr%C3%BCftechnik&hash=item51bfa13350 <- like these just with 5m cable
[16:39:12] <skunkworks> the mazak is running with a $100 dollar servo off ebay. They must have been chasing their tails...
[16:39:55] <tiwake> touching off tools
[16:40:16] <tiwake> I'll let you guys know if making titanium shot glasses is worth it
[16:41:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15259&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- there you can see the cam in the brown/white duster hood
[16:41:15] <Loetmichel> @ FinboySlick
[16:42:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15256&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- better pic
[16:44:09] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: What are you using to encode to mjpeg?
[16:44:18] <Loetmichel> vlc
[16:45:45] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: you got netcat/nc on both machines?
[16:46:10] <Loetmichel> no, not on the windows box in the office ;-)
[16:46:29] <FinboySlick> nc.exe would do the trick, I think.
[16:46:34] <Loetmichel> but its ok how it is
[16:46:49] <Loetmichel> the half second delay is no problem
[16:47:07] <Loetmichel> if i see a broken mill bit i have enough time to stop the machine
[16:47:09] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:53:44] <FinboySlick> Alright. Anyway, the basic idea to stream without recording would be along those lines: mjpegencoder | nc <target ip> <port> Then you nc -l -p <port> | mplayer
[18:07:18] <tiwake> woo
[18:07:33] <tiwake> drilling the titanium out with this spade drill went so much better than I thought
[18:07:53] <tiwake> spade drills are badass
[18:21:18] <Valen> spade drill on Ti really?
[18:21:36] <Valen> colour me surprised ;->
[18:22:10] <Tom_itx> i'd like to see that
[18:23:41] <Valen> could be pure Ti perhaps
[18:28:20] <tiwake> donno
[18:28:37] <tiwake> it worked really well
[18:28:44] <tiwake> then again, I went really slow... lol
[18:29:05] <tiwake> 250RPM, feed of 0.005"/rev
[18:29:14] <Tom_itx> lathe?
[18:29:20] <tiwake> yeah
[18:29:45] <tiwake> 1.125" carbide spade drill
[18:30:09] <Tom_itx> pics?
[18:30:42] <tiwake> on my phone
[18:30:47] <tiwake> a couple anyway
[18:31:10] <tiwake> just ran the boring bar
[18:31:16] <tiwake> it went rather well too
[18:31:30] <tiwake> need to run it again, bore is a bit small
[18:32:47] <tiwake> how much does titanium run anyway?
[18:33:07] <tiwake> if I want 1.5" bar, per pound
[18:33:17] <tiwake> is it like $10/lb?
[18:35:27] <Tom_itx> https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=6777&step=4&showunits=inches&id=187&top_cat=0
[18:35:50] <Tom_itx> $300/ft
[18:36:40] <Tom_itx> expensive shot glass
[18:37:34] <tiwake> I've typically found onlinemetals to be over price by about double what I can typically get around here
[18:37:39] <[cube]> most titanium comes from china
[18:37:47] <[cube]> baoji province
[18:37:53] <[cube]> probably cheaper to import it
[18:37:56] <[cube]> aliexpress or something
[18:38:08] <[cube]> shipping is probably more reasonable than that
[18:39:35] <[cube]> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/factory-sell-6Al-4V-TITANIUM-BAR-6-4-Titanium-round-bar-wholesale-price-Paypal-is-available/1973497251.html
[19:52:49] <asah> anyone have a good place to buy carbon plate? a good supplier on alibaba? looking for something like 2mm thick, lalrgish sheets.
[19:52:58] <asah> tap has tube but no plate.
[19:56:33] <zeeshan> carbon fiber?
[20:17:21] <asah> yes.
[20:18:20] <zeeshan> seems expensive on aliexpress :P
[20:21:40] <zeeshan> anyone know where to buy a cable gland
[20:21:45] <zeeshan> that will fit in a 1 3/4" hole
[20:45:04] <SpeedEvil> 2mm thick is going to be expensive.
[20:45:06] <SpeedEvil> how much?
[20:45:24] <SpeedEvil> In general, you'll be better sered using .5mm*2 and a core
[21:06:34] <asah> I am looking to get a supply of various thicknesses probably a couple of square meters of each. but yeah, all the places seem really expensive.
[21:07:19] <asah> but I am able to buy cut products made from the stuff for less than I can buy the raw stock, which seems wrong. =)
[21:08:07] <zeeshan> asah is your machine running? :P
[21:08:19] <asah> ha! just got it all running today!
[21:08:24] <zeeshan> videos? :D
[21:08:26] <asah> you?
[21:08:29] <zeeshan> im far from it
[21:08:30] <zeeshan> :{
[21:08:31] <asah> no vids yet.
[21:08:47] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/16006673692/
[21:08:50] <zeeshan> just laying down the wiring
[21:08:50] <asah> got my two vfds up and can press a button and the tool changes
[21:09:06] <zeeshan> you did a physical switch right?
[21:09:12] <zeeshan> for the tool change
[21:09:13] <asah> I have plenty of tuning to do etc.
[21:09:16] <asah> yes, physical
[21:09:27] <zeeshan> check my logic out for hydraulic tool switch:
[21:09:36] <zeeshan> man i wish i could upload this pdf somewhwere
[21:09:37] <asah> that is looking like it is coming along.
[21:09:42] <asah> dropbox.
[21:09:53] <zeeshan> ill just tell you it :P
[21:09:58] <asah> k
[21:11:13] * zeeshan is reading the diagram i made
[21:11:44] <asah> ill share you a link to my python controller for it.
[21:11:59] <zeeshan> okay i have the tool change physical switch and a relay switch and solenoid in a 24v circuit.
[21:12:07] <zeeshan> the relay switch only closes if certain conditions are met
[21:12:31] <zeeshan> 1. pressure switch is closed (pressure is optimal for hydraulic tool change)
[21:12:37] <zeeshan> 2. spindle is not running
[21:12:50] <zeeshan> i forgot this 3rd condition :/
[21:12:53] <asah> https://bitbucket.org/asahammond/maho_config/raw/812943c21f7d19c2dbd8582f47fb0b3a5ee32a21/hydros_ctrl
[21:13:09] <zeeshan> cant see it
[21:13:21] <asah> try again
[21:15:02] <zeeshan> hey
[21:15:05] <zeeshan> we pretty much have the same logic :P
[21:15:14] <asah> cool.
[21:15:19] <asah> well, it works so far.
[21:15:23] <zeeshan> i think my wiring is a bit different.
[21:15:41] <asah> the rest of my config is there under the two_vfds branch.
[21:15:46] <zeeshan> the tool change switch is parallel with: relay switch, hydrualic solenoid
[21:15:58] <zeeshan> but also in parallel with an input on the 7i77
[21:16:06] <zeeshan> so you have to hold the tool request button for a while
[21:16:11] <zeeshan> the vfd runs, pressure is built
[21:16:15] <zeeshan> and as long as the spindle isn't running
[21:16:17] <zeeshan> it'll release
[21:16:22] <zeeshan> asap you release the switch
[21:16:27] <zeeshan> vfd turns off
[21:16:37] <zeeshan> there is a delay timer so if someone decides to press the button again and again
[21:16:43] <zeeshan> rapidly. it'll stop the vfd from going crazy :P
[21:19:22] <asah> I did another version that wasn’t in software, it was a pain.
[21:20:04] <zeeshan> your python script
[21:20:06] <zeeshan> is a component right
[21:20:07] <asah> do you have it runnign yet?
[21:20:09] <asah> yes.
[21:20:10] <zeeshan> no
[21:20:20] <zeeshan> possibly in 2 weeks
[21:20:25] <zeeshan> im still waiting on some electrical components
[21:20:30] <zeeshan> ive tested systems though
[21:20:32] <zeeshan> some systems
[21:20:32] <asah> no its not a component, its a userspace script
[21:20:37] <zeeshan> ah
[21:20:38] <asah> in python
[21:21:02] <zeeshan> i dont know python
[21:21:06] <zeeshan> i'll have to write it in C.
[21:21:14] <zeeshan> or rob your code :)
[21:21:24] <asah> rob away
[21:21:26] <asah> please
[21:21:52] <asah> python is pretty simple.
[21:21:56] <zeeshan> i apologize for the colors in advance
[21:21:57] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[21:22:00] <zeeshan> here is the circuit diagram
[21:23:16] <zeeshan> do you have a vogel lubricator
[21:23:23] <asah> yes.
[21:23:29] <zeeshan> cause that thing is a pain in the ass
[21:23:31] <asah> we have the same mill! practically
[21:23:36] <zeeshan> to work
[21:23:39] <asah> I thought the same thing.
[21:23:48] <zeeshan> what im doing right now is
[21:23:49] <asah> but I found all the docs.
[21:24:00] <asah> make sure you have enough lube in there.
[21:24:11] <asah> mine stopped working and it was just the lube level sensor.
[21:24:12] <asah> =)
[21:24:19] <zeeshan> pressure switch and fluid level indicator are in series and go to an input on the 7i77
[21:24:37] <zeeshan> then basically 7i77 output controls a relay which controls the lubricator
[21:25:00] <zeeshan> delay timer will be handled by linuxcnc
[21:25:16] <asah> mine has an onboard timer.
[21:25:20] <zeeshan> omg
[21:25:23] <zeeshan> so lucky :[
[21:25:26] <asah> you just power it and every 15 minites it fires
[21:25:32] <zeeshan> so its pretty much a standalon system
[21:25:34] <asah> what controller do you have?
[21:25:35] <zeeshan> you just gotta give it 110v?
[21:26:30] <asah> I have the IG38-30-I
[21:26:51] <asah> I think its 110.
[21:27:03] <asah> and 24v for the controller.
[21:27:21] <zeeshan> ofcourse i cant find the info
[21:27:24] <zeeshan> or the pic when i need it
[21:27:25] <zeeshan> haha
[21:27:32] <asah> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dke608r88a013dj/vogel_Controller_IG38-30-I_IZ38-30-I.pdf?dl=0
[21:27:48] <zeeshan> okay
[21:27:50] <zeeshan> yours is way different
[21:27:51] <zeeshan> haha
[21:27:54] <zeeshan> i dont have that circuit board
[21:27:57] <asah> ack.. sorry.
[21:28:05] <asah> well, timer in linuxcnc is the way to go then. =)
[21:28:12] <zeeshan> i dont have that pressure gauge either
[21:28:13] <zeeshan> :P
[21:28:38] <zeeshan> i was looking at replacing it with a self timed unit
[21:28:41] <zeeshan> but theyre really expensive!
[21:28:51] <asah> circuit diagram looks nice. but hate the colors. =)
[21:28:57] <zeeshan> haha
[21:29:00] <zeeshan> ill show you why i have colors
[21:29:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/lhtnwG9.png
[21:29:18] <zeeshan> its easier to view
[21:29:22] <zeeshan> and i can turn off the layers
[21:29:32] <zeeshan> so i can isolate the circuit of interest
[21:29:34] <asah> right.
[21:30:04] <zeeshan> btw
[21:30:10] <asah> I see you are doing searial control of vfds.
[21:30:11] <zeeshan> i blew up my speed selector board
[21:30:32] <zeeshan> yea, i think its a bit cleaner
[21:30:33] <asah> I went with relays
[21:30:34] <zeeshan> less wiring to deal with
[21:30:43] <asah> more reliable. =)
[21:30:48] <zeeshan> and you have a watchdog on the vfd to kill power
[21:30:51] <zeeshan> if comms drop
[21:31:08] <asah> it will be a good side by side comparison.
[21:31:19] <asah> see whos is more reliable. =)
[21:31:23] <zeeshan> haha
[21:31:35] <zeeshan> i currently use modbus control on the lathe
[21:31:36] <asah> funny cause I am more of the software guy I think…
[21:31:38] <zeeshan> seems to work ok
[21:31:46] <asah> cool.
[21:32:04] <asah> have no great experiences with modbus yet.
[21:32:16] <asah> my vfd is cheap cheap cheap though..
[21:32:23] <zeeshan> chinese one? :D
[21:32:28] <asah> yep
[21:32:30] <asah> ebay special
[21:32:41] <zeeshan> well im sure it has modbus
[21:32:46] <asah> that will probably die first.
[21:32:51] <asah> oh, it does.
[21:32:56] <asah> I just don’t trust it.
[21:33:12] <zeeshan> i honestly started trusting it when i worked at eaton
[21:33:20] <zeeshan> our customers use it in the mining industry
[21:33:22] <asah> I have an analog card so I can do variable speed.
[21:33:28] <zeeshan> they run serial cable for long ass conveyors
[21:33:58] <asah> cool.
[21:34:04] <asah> glad to hear its working.
[21:34:36] <zeeshan> im trying to find a screenshot of the lathe interface
[21:40:17] <zeeshan> this son of a..
[21:40:19] <zeeshan> i cant find the pic!
[21:44:38] <asah> did you retrofit a spindle encoder?
[21:44:45] <zeeshan> yes
[21:44:50] <asah> (I see it on the diagram)
[21:44:58] <zeeshan> i still have to make a plate
[21:45:02] <zeeshan> bit it will be very similar to this:
[21:45:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zOgYeo2.jpg
[21:45:12] <zeeshan> just with 3 sensors
[21:45:17] <zeeshan> a b and phase z
[21:45:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jgJ3EZc.png
[21:45:42] <zeeshan> this is for the not so fancy black vfds in my enclosure
[21:45:49] <zeeshan> the one in the lathe, and the grey one
[21:45:56] <zeeshan> are lot more feature filled
[21:46:00] <zeeshan> like drive temp, load meter
[21:46:00] <zeeshan> etc
[21:46:06] <zeeshan> thats why i like modbus
[21:46:08] <asah> where are you going to mount the plate?
[21:46:53] <asah> nice. it would be good to get all that data.
[21:47:01] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15814597086/
[21:47:01] <asah> eventually Ill go that route.
[21:47:04] <zeeshan> where the original plate is
[21:47:07] <asah> I have other robots to build. =)
[21:47:17] <zeeshan> the gear train has about 6 thou backlash
[21:47:24] <zeeshan> so i will need to compensate for that
[21:47:38] <zeeshan> i couldnt find a good spot to put it directly w/ t he spindle
[21:47:51] <asah> yeah, my thoughts too.
[21:47:54] <zeeshan> plus with our mills
[21:47:58] <zeeshan> they're in both horizontal and vertical
[21:48:03] <asah> right.
[21:48:06] <zeeshan> so you really can only place it in one spot..
[21:48:48] <zeeshan> im pretty basic when it comes to programming
[21:48:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jgJ3EZc.png
[21:48:57] <zeeshan> i can send you a component to start off with
[21:49:00] <zeeshan> it's very simplified...
[21:49:02] <asah> loocks clean.
[21:49:04] <zeeshan> so i can understand it :)
[21:49:51] <asah> how are you interfacing on the linux side?
[21:49:58] <asah> mesa stuff?
[21:49:58] <zeeshan> physically?
[21:50:07] <zeeshan> for modbus?
[21:50:07] <asah> serial
[21:50:09] <asah> yes
[21:50:15] <zeeshan> no mesa stuff
[21:50:30] <zeeshan> im using a serial db9 to rs485 converter
[21:50:41] <zeeshan> from the rs485 convter you have two wires D+ D-
[21:50:45] <zeeshan> that go to your vfd
[21:50:47] <asah> right.
[21:50:58] <asah> but you have several vfds no?
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> then the component in linuxcnc communicates over serial
[21:51:10] <zeeshan> yes
[21:51:19] <zeeshan> so it goes like this
[21:51:22] <asah> so many db9s on your box?
[21:51:26] <zeeshan> no
[21:51:27] <zeeshan> 1 only
[21:51:36] <zeeshan> all the D+ D- signals are parallel for each vfd
[21:51:38] <zeeshan> going out of the convter
[21:51:46] <zeeshan> *converter
[21:52:01] <zeeshan> lemme show you a diagram
[21:52:04] <zeeshan> better than words..
[21:52:20] <zeeshan> https://www.sumitomodrive.com/uploads/product/files/file-227.pdf
[21:52:41] <zeeshan> page 108
[21:52:43] <zeeshan> (of the pdf)
[21:52:49] <asah> reading :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modbus
[21:53:01] <asah> ok, I get it.
[21:53:09] <asah> like canbus.
[21:53:19] <zeeshan> a lot simpler :P
[21:53:21] <asah> thought it was more of a star.
[21:53:35] <asah> cool.
[21:53:51] <zeeshan> youre a programmer
[21:53:58] <zeeshan> i bet you can re-write the code
[21:54:05] <zeeshan> for your vfd in a couple hours :P
[21:55:11] <asah> Ill take the headstart gladly. =)
[21:55:24] <asah> but… many other projects are going to come first.
[21:55:28] <asah> I bet.
[21:56:01] <zeeshan> i cant turn on the mill computer right now to extract the driver
[21:56:08] <zeeshan> too many live wires everywhere
[21:56:08] <zeeshan> haha
[21:56:23] <zeeshan> ill email it to you when i get it back up
[21:56:31] <zeeshan> i'd send the lathe one
[21:56:39] <zeeshan> but its got some bugs in it, that i fixed in the mill driver
[21:56:51] <zeeshan> i was making the mistake of handling the frequency to rpm conversion math within the driver
[21:56:56] <zeeshan> which is a bad way of doing it
[21:57:05] <zeeshan> you wanna use the scaling options in hal
[21:59:32] <asah> np.
[22:00:59] <zeeshan> asah do you have your speed control working?
[22:01:05] <zeeshan> i think i remember you telling me it was working
[22:01:19] <asah> speed control, meaning gear selection?
[22:01:20] <zeeshan> yes
[22:02:12] <asah> I built another python controller to solve this issue. it was working last time I played with it. but I haven’t tried it again in like 6 months.
[22:02:40] <asah> I am just running at high speed all the time. I am mostly working in alu and delrin for prototypeing these days.
[22:02:46] <zeeshan> ah
[22:03:06] <asah> it is a pretty complicated problem.
[22:03:40] <asah> more complex than it needs to be.
[22:04:00] <asah> mine has nice manual ways to change the gears though.
[22:04:16] <asah> https://bitbucket.org/asahammond/maho_config/src/ecf31b5c1bbb0fc710938ad696c8a058cb2fb459/mahoshifter?at=master
[22:04:27] <asah> is the old mahoshifter python comp
[22:04:40] <zeeshan> nice
[22:04:45] <zeeshan> i blew my circuit up
[22:04:48] <zeeshan> for the speed selector
[22:04:55] <zeeshan> :-(
[22:05:29] <zeeshan> i like how you're handling that
[22:05:29] <zeeshan> nice.
[22:05:58] <asah> the “tip left” and “tip right” seem like a challenge with vfd control. probably could leverage the low speed logic in there to do that part.
[22:06:23] <asah> it is basically a small bit of movement to allow the gears to change.
[22:06:59] <asah> I modeled it after skunkworks (I believe) who did a multi gear shifting comp.
[22:07:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan how'd you blow it up?
[22:08:02] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you dont remember? :D
[22:08:15] <Tom_itx> no, i was busy blowing up my own junk
[22:08:16] <zeeshan> i was reverse engineering it
[22:08:20] <Tom_itx> oh
[22:08:26] <zeeshan> and i suck at electronics
[22:08:27] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:08:29] <Tom_itx> well my board is toast
[22:08:33] <zeeshan> gave 24vdc where it shouldnt have gone
[22:08:40] <zeeshan> blew up the resistor
[22:08:42] <zeeshan> and voltage regulator
[22:08:45] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/7I43.jpg
[22:08:57] <Tom_itx> i got U9 & U10 replaced but U6 was a no go
[22:09:05] <Tom_itx> not the right output v from it
[22:09:13] <Tom_itx> i got 3.3v out U10
[22:09:21] <Tom_itx> but the 1.2v supply is junk
[22:09:30] <Tom_itx> or something else is shorted
[22:09:51] <zeeshan> see when youre dealing with these "space saving" smt circuits
[22:09:56] <zeeshan> the traces of the pcb are so close
[22:09:59] <zeeshan> if one melts, wont they short?
[22:10:05] <Tom_itx> did you see the chips?
[22:10:13] <zeeshan> yea i see the chip u9
[22:10:16] <zeeshan> with its blown up face
[22:10:16] <zeeshan> :)
[22:10:29] <Tom_itx> U10 & U6 were the tricky ones to replace
[22:11:15] <asah> fun times.
[22:11:37] <Tom_itx> i think the other board is probably ok
[22:11:51] <Tom_itx> they weren't that bad to replace
[22:11:51] <asah> get out the dissecting scope
[22:11:56] <Tom_itx> i did
[22:12:14] <asah> makes soldering actually fun
[22:12:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
[22:12:27] <Tom_itx> makes it easier for sure
[22:13:13] <asah> cool. similar to mine. fun to see small things huge and in stereo
[22:13:26] <Tom_itx> what power is yours?
[22:13:33] <Tom_itx> that one is 7x45
[22:13:33] <asah> not sure…
[22:13:40] <asah> I have a couple
[22:13:49] <asah> one is multi lens.
[22:15:05] <asah> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/superb-Wild-Heerbrugg-M5-stereomicroscope-/331383837931?pt=UK_Collectables_Scientific_MJ&hash=item4d280414eb
[22:15:13] <asah> is one.
[22:16:02] <asah> 50x max
[22:16:03] <Tom_itx> i like the swing arm on mine. lets me put the work where it's easier to work on
[22:16:15] <Tom_itx> i use mine on 7 most of the time
[22:16:16] <asah> yeah, mine is actually on a swing arm.
[22:16:31] <asah> so fun to look at everything in that thing.
[22:16:36] <Tom_itx> 45 and you don't get much viewing area
[22:16:45] <asah> my kid loves it.
[22:16:53] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:17:05] <zeeshan> http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/CA2011/P0203.pdf
[22:17:08] <zeeshan> hey do you guys know
[22:17:15] <zeeshan> "crimp terminal" i would need
[22:17:22] <zeeshan> for the connector top right
[22:17:32] <zeeshan> i cant tell what the diff is between fig 1 and fig2 for the terminals.
[22:17:35] <zeeshan> they look the same to me
[22:17:36] <zeeshan> lol
[22:18:43] <Tom_itx> they should be listed with the housings
[22:18:47] <Tom_itx> hang on...
[22:20:17] <Tom_itx> fig1 & fig2 are different hold mechanisms
[22:20:24] <zeeshan> for the physical wire?
[22:20:25] <Tom_itx> where they snap into the hole
[22:20:33] <Tom_itx> no where they locate in the connector
[22:20:43] <Tom_itx> you need to make sure you get the right ones
[22:20:46] <zeeshan> how am i supposed to know
[22:20:48] <zeeshan> which one is the right one?
[22:20:52] <Tom_itx> i'd call and ask em
[22:21:10] <Tom_itx> i have a bag of WM2511
[22:21:39] <zeeshan> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/22-55-2121/WM2523-ND/171967
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> i need the correct terminal for this type of connector
[22:21:56] <zeeshan> on that page
[22:22:05] <zeeshan> under mating products, it says both fig 1 and fig 2 styles will work
[22:22:12] <zeeshan> when you cross-refrrence the part numbers with the catalog
[22:22:27] <Tom_itx> well maybe either one would snap in then
[22:22:43] <Tom_itx> look close though and you can see they are different
[22:22:52] <Tom_itx> i'd probably go with fig1 myself
[22:22:58] <zeeshan> ok fig 1 it is
[22:22:59] <zeeshan> :P
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> it's got more pin contact
[22:23:06] <Tom_itx> look at it...
[22:23:13] <zeeshan> yep
[22:23:16] <zeeshan> its got pin contact
[22:23:20] <zeeshan> that surrounds the entire terminal
[22:23:22] <zeeshan> unlike fig 2
[22:23:47] <Tom_itx> some holes are spaced higher or lower on the connector is what you gotta look out for
[22:24:03] <Tom_itx> those are probably all compatible since they're on the same page
[22:24:29] <Tom_itx> you can get a crimper from radio shack for like $5-6 bucks for them
[22:24:42] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i actually bought the crimper locally
[22:24:45] <zeeshan> you know whats weird?
[22:24:52] <zeeshan> its the EXACT same as what i use in the race car connectors
[22:24:55] <zeeshan> which i already had a crimper for
[22:25:01] <zeeshan> all the gm metri-pack connectors
[22:25:10] <zeeshan> delphi connectors use the same style crimper as molex
[22:27:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[22:27:10] <Tom_itx> i put heatshrink over em and use em like that too
[22:28:33] <Connor> zeeshan:
http://www.radioshack.com/d-sub-pin-crimper/2761595.html#q=crimper&start=2
[22:28:41] <Connor> I use those for that style of pins
[22:29:08] <Tom_itx> yup
[22:29:13] <Tom_itx> i've gone thru a couple of those
[22:29:23] <Tom_itx> price has gone up a bit
[22:29:38] <Connor> They work for JST too.
[22:32:49] <skunkworks> Connor: did you get the package yet?
[22:32:50] <zeeshan> nice
[22:33:19] <Connor> skunkworks: Oh yea. sorry. I did get it.. got it yesterday. Thank you so very much.. Been a bit side tracked with the mold in the crawl space issues..
[22:33:37] <skunkworks> great!
[22:33:56] <Connor> I hope shipping wasn't too much.. I can reimb if needed.
[22:34:17] <zeeshan> man i hope im not forgetting anything from digikey
[22:34:33] <Tom_itx> you are
[22:34:34] <Connor> zeeshan: What are you building ?
[22:34:42] <zeeshan> cnc controller still
[22:34:49] <zeeshan> i needed those molex connectors
[22:34:52] <zeeshan> for the interpolators
[22:34:54] <zeeshan> and some cable glands
[22:35:04] <zeeshan> and some iec right angle cables
[22:35:11] <Connor> You going to get some wire furrels ?
[22:35:13] <Tom_itx> just open another order right now...
[22:35:18] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: rofl
[22:35:25] <Tom_itx> soon as you click send you'll remember
[22:35:38] <zeeshan> connor all my wires go to a pin pad
[22:35:47] <Tom_itx> you know you can call them?
[22:35:48] <Connor> pin pad ?
[22:35:54] <zeeshan> padded terminal i mean
[22:35:54] <Tom_itx> probably 24/7
[22:35:55] <zeeshan> not pin pad
[22:36:15] <zeeshan> nice
[22:36:17] <Connor> still not sure what your refereeing too..
[22:36:44] <zeeshan> http://assets.suredone.com/1742/media-tms/52778-a-b-allen-bradley-1492-fb3c30-l-3-pole-fuse-block-fuse-holder-class-cc-30-amp-7.jpg
[22:36:45] <zeeshan> those things
[22:36:48] <zeeshan> for fuse holders for example..
[22:36:53] <zeeshan> they come in two styles
[22:37:06] <zeeshan> padded and "regular <- i forgot the correct wording"
[22:37:16] <zeeshan> when its padded, you can stick wire in there without using ferrules
[22:37:33] <zeeshan> if its not, then you need ferrules by csa code
[22:37:51] <Connor> I would still use wire furrels.. just keeps the wires from breaking and provide some strain relief.
[22:38:19] <zeeshan> yea but what if your crimp fails :P
[22:38:42] <Connor> Umm.. If you crimp those right.. and use the right pin for the gauge or wire.. it won't
[22:38:43] <zeeshan> you can always solder the end of the wire
[22:38:46] <zeeshan> to stop it from faying
[22:38:53] <zeeshan> connor
[22:38:55] <zeeshan> i can put money on this
[22:39:03] <zeeshan> go stick a proper wire in a ferrule in a vise
[22:39:05] <Connor> Yea, but, then you loose the relief asepect
[22:39:13] <zeeshan> and put a cc fuse holder in a wise without a ferrule
[22:39:19] <zeeshan> and stick a 100lb weight off each one
[22:39:23] <zeeshan> see which one gives up first :P
[22:40:15] <zeeshan> i remember at eaton crimped fittings were a pain in the ass
[22:40:20] <zeeshan> for it to be CSA approved
[22:40:29] <zeeshan> you had to use the exact same brand crimping tool as the crimps
[22:40:40] <zeeshan> even though it was standard crimp fitting, say a spade connector
[22:41:26] <zeeshan> connor tell me what im forgetting
[22:41:27] <zeeshan> :-(
[22:41:31] <zeeshan> i dont wanna place an order twice
[22:41:33] <Connor> I have no idea.
[22:41:55] <Tom_itx> i'm tellin ya man, you'll never get it all in one order!
[22:42:25] <zeeshan> haha
[22:42:59] <zeeshan> is there such thing other than coaxial cable that you use for bnc
[22:43:03] <zeeshan> where you have say a 24 awg wire
[22:43:05] <zeeshan> with a shield around it
[22:43:07] <zeeshan> single conductor
[22:43:16] <Connor> LMR
[22:43:35] <Connor> It's for Radio and wireless stuff
[22:43:45] <zeeshan> lets say i have one wire going from 7i77
[22:43:51] <zeeshan> to say a limit switches one plug
[22:44:17] <Tom_itx> get me a stick of din rail while you're ordering
[22:44:24] <zeeshan> you can have mine
[22:44:28] <Tom_itx> i swear i have some around here somewhere
[22:44:29] <zeeshan> i have some extra that ill never use again
[22:44:31] <Connor> But, LMR is solid core..
[22:44:36] <zeeshan> yes connor exactly :(
[22:45:20] <Tom_itx> i use some surplus wire i got locally for my limits
[22:46:00] <Connor> http://www.fairviewmicrowave.com/rg58-flexible-coax-cable-pvc-jacket-rg58cu-p.aspx?gclid=Cj0KEQiA5K-kBRDZ9r71gOvlxOMBEiQAwkK52ARTkjXfP4G48JLGH7xJ_QgkWo5MTpINc7ftRlR8uL8aAqnQ8P8HAQ
[22:46:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/wire.jpg
[22:46:05] <Tom_itx> good wire
[22:46:07] <Connor> you can get flexable coax cable...
[22:47:00] <zeeshan> thatsa saexy wire
[22:47:10] <zeeshan> looks like its meajnt for thermocouple wiring
[22:47:10] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:47:19] <Tom_itx> probably aircraft
[22:47:54] <Tom_itx> all shielded and fine braid
[22:47:55] * zeeshan clicks order
[22:47:57] <zeeshan> :-(
[22:48:04] <[cube]> :x
[22:48:20] <Tom_itx> did you get GND straps?
[22:48:25] <zeeshan> gnd straps?!
[22:48:40] <zeeshan> NOOOOOOOOO
[22:48:48] <[cube]> uh oh
[22:48:48] <zeeshan> FUCK
[22:48:59] <zeeshan> i forgot to order insulated spade terminals
[22:49:02] <[cube]> maybe you can call it in
[22:49:03] <Tom_itx> did you want to?
[22:49:18] <Tom_itx> you can get the spade terminals from the auto supply
[22:49:21] <zeeshan> yes
[22:49:24] <zeeshan> but that means driving there
[22:49:26] <zeeshan> :(
[22:49:36] <Tom_itx> call digikey then
[22:49:44] <Tom_itx> that's the nice thing about them
[22:49:51] <Tom_itx> there's somebody there most of the time
[22:50:58] <zeeshan> using their live online chat
[22:50:58] <zeeshan> haha
[22:51:13] <Connor> So, anyone know anything about RV's ?
[22:51:27] <zeeshan> connor ofcourse
[22:51:30] <Connor> We're going to be staying in one for around 2 weeks...
[22:51:33] <zeeshan> you go on long trips on em
[22:51:34] <Tom_itx> they're money pits
[22:51:41] <Connor> parked next to the house...
[22:51:59] <Connor> I need to figure out how to provide a power to it.
[22:52:10] <Tom_itx> get a 3 prong adapter
[22:52:35] <zeeshan> this is my first order from digikey
[22:52:38] <zeeshan> that isn't for school
[22:52:38] <Tom_itx> oh?
[22:52:40] <Connor> Can they run on a standard 15amp 120v ?
[22:52:51] <Tom_itx> depends on the RV
[22:52:58] <Tom_itx> i ran mine off it
[22:53:02] <zeeshan> connor cant you run an extension cable
[22:53:04] <zeeshan> from the house?
[22:53:20] <Tom_itx> i got a heavy cord for mine just for that
[22:53:47] <Connor> I've got some large gauge wire for a generator I never used.. I was thinking of wiring it into the Hot water heater 220v and running that out to the RV
[22:54:06] <Connor> Won't be needing the hot water heater for a while.. so...
[22:54:15] <Tom_itx> that would probably work ok
[22:55:25] <Connor> I just hope I can get it up the driveway and on level ground.
[22:55:38] <Connor> otherwise it would have to be done in the road.. which, isn't ideal.
[22:55:42] <Tom_itx> block it up with 2x
[22:55:50] <Tom_itx> and wheel chocks
[22:56:10] <Tom_itx> is it a 5th wheel or motorized?
[22:56:11] <Connor> http://www.cruiseamerica.com/rent/our_vehicles/large_rv.aspx
[22:56:18] <Connor> that's what we're looking at
[22:57:12] <zeeshan> connor is this cause of the mold removsl
[22:57:14] <zeeshan> that will be occuring?
[22:57:23] <Connor> zeeshan: yes
[22:57:26] <zeeshan> fak rv then
[22:57:29] <zeeshan> just setup a tent outside
[22:57:33] <zeeshan> cheaper
[22:57:36] <zeeshan> its only 2 weeks :P
[22:57:51] <Connor> yea, try that with 5 dogs, and a wife with medical issues
[22:57:57] <zeeshan> doh
[22:58:11] <Tom_itx> put the dogs in the yard
[22:58:24] <zeeshan> doesnt your insurance give you
[22:58:33] <zeeshan> money for temporary relocation?
[22:58:40] <Connor> insurance isn't covering this.
[22:58:43] <zeeshan> oh
[22:59:49] <zeeshan> do you have parents?
[22:59:56] <zeeshan> or brothers/sisters?
[23:00:02] <zeeshan> live there :D
[23:00:52] <Connor> too far away to be practical.. and again, 5 dogs.. which need to be kept in fenced in yard when we let them out..
[23:01:01] <Connor> we're the only ones with fenced in yard.
[23:02:05] <zeeshan> you have a lot of dogs
[23:02:06] <zeeshan> :)
[23:02:53] <Tom_itx> they don't have a limit on them there?
[23:03:12] <Connor> 5 is the limit in the county, 4 in the city.
