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[02:25:16] <Deejay> moin
[03:02:28] <SpeedEvil> So it's a roots blower with more fire
[03:06:03] <Jymm> O_o
[03:06:52] <Jymm> Is that like with more marshmellows?
[04:48:09] <syyl_ws> hoi
[06:49:16] <Loetmichel> soo, the new battery for the dell M4400 works... and i finally installed the driver for the internal webcam... not SOOO bead for a six year old notebook:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15422
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[09:31:51] <_methods> weeeee
[09:39:47] <_methods> http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/12/08/4144142.htm
[09:50:20] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[09:51:49] <SpeedEvil> Damn, I hate shit articles like that without actual links.
[09:58:48] <SpeedEvil> to a first approximation, you may care less about efficiency
[15:55:23] * Loetmichel pours himself another glass of Laphroaig... that stuff is really addicting. and i DONT mean the 58% alc... but the taste ;-)
[17:05:41] <Nick001-shop> You may as well have another - Nothing going on here
[17:20:37] <andypugh> Top Tip! The right coal in your blacksmiths’s forge makes all the diffference.
[17:22:08] <pfred1> you want the soft stuff right?
[17:22:42] <pfred1> I think the pros actually use gas today
[17:24:01] <pfred1> my ancestors come from anthrecite coal country I believe shich is the really hard stuff
[17:24:15] <pfred1> I have a couple chunks of it
[17:24:17] <andypugh> What you need is _small_ stuff.
[17:24:28] <pfred1> the chunks I have are kind of big
[17:24:56] <pfred1> there's coal coke too
[17:24:58] <andypugh> The size they call “beans” because that’s aout the size (runner beans, not haricot)
[17:25:24] <pfred1> that was the game changer when they figured out how to make coke out of coal
[17:25:57] <pfred1> before that they used charcoal
[17:27:39] <andypugh> The stuf at the front is the old big stuff, but if you look around the fires that’s the stuff I bought from the coal merchant as “blacksmith coal”. There is also a smaller “farrier coal”
[17:28:38] <pfred1> I've heard you want ot use the soft coal bitsmuth?
[17:28:46] <pfred1> bitsmith?
[17:29:22] <andypugh> I _think_ that coal is easier to light than coke, then once the fire is going the stuff round the fire slowly cokes, and automatically gets dragged in when you cover-over putting the work in.
[17:29:32] <pfred1> but for real I've heard you want to use gas coal is romantic and all but gas is cleaner, quicker, and more reliable too
[17:31:09] <andypugh> I read all sorts of stuff on the internet from the US of folk improvising and making do. I can just go to the local blackssmiths supplier.
http://www.glendaleforge.co.uk/Glendale_Forge/Home.html
[17:31:17] <pfred1> I was reading an article the other day about a coal toqn going under
[17:31:31] <pfred1> coal town even
[17:31:51] <pfred1> we have like 1,000 years worth of coal here but ti is policitally incorrect to use it anymore
[17:33:45] <pfred1> I can just go back home and get a train load of coal
[17:34:13] <andypugh> I wouldn’t have been able to get the train to the forge :-)
[17:34:18] <pfred1> it is the wrong kind for blakcsmithing though
[17:34:47] <pfred1> I have chunks of coal in my garden as decorations
[17:36:31] <malcom2073> I give chunks of coal as christmas presents
[17:36:31] <pfred1> hey this is where my family is from Pottsville!
http://readinganthracite.com/
[17:36:51] <pfred1> well really Minerville but pottsville is like next door
[17:36:52] <malcom2073> I'm about an hour and a half from pottsville
[17:37:08] <pfred1> go to Minersville and I'm like related to everyone ther
[17:37:15] <malcom2073> lol
[17:37:19] <pfred1> it is funny
[17:37:48] <pfred1> me great uncle died of black lung at 55 in the mines
[17:38:00] <pfred1> my grandfather was smart enough to move away though
[17:38:46] <andypugh> Miners are a funny breed, forever complaing what a horrible job it is, then complaning that their son’s won’t be able to follow them into the job when the pits get closed down.
[17:39:06] <pfred1> oh it is nasty
[17:39:21] <pfred1> they didn't do it in pats back in the day
[17:39:25] <pfred1> pits
[17:39:32] <pfred1> you went dow nthe shaft
[17:39:47] <andypugh> It’s a generic term over here
[17:40:04] <andypugh> The winding engine for the shaft was at the pithead.
[17:40:24] <pfred1> coal built our modern world and now we turn out backs on it
[17:40:52] <andypugh> “big pit” is not open cast:
http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/bigpit/
[17:40:52] <pfred1> I don't get it myself we really haven't found a practical replacement for it yet
[17:41:11] <andypugh> Oil will never run out, but coal will.
[17:41:17] <pfred1> oil is OK I guess but we don't have nearly as much oil as coal
[17:41:23] <pfred1> hmmm
[17:41:31] <pfred1> I always thought it was the other way around
[17:41:40] <andypugh> (this is true technically, but not in a useful way)
[17:42:00] <pfred1> gas prices are tanking here its nice
[17:42:11] <pfred1> I'm hoping to see 99 cents a gallon again
[17:42:21] <andypugh> The conditions for making coal no-longer exist as there is too much oxygen in the atmoshpere now. But oil is still being made very, very, slowly.
[17:44:09] <pfred1> I read once that on Memorial Day weekend the USA burns more gasoline by volume than water goes over Niagra Falls
[17:44:14] <malcom2073> I hope gas prices go back up, my job relies on opec not screwing over small oil companies heh
[17:44:22] <andypugh> Today I have mainly been failing to make headlights:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VRvBkKyegpKiidiRLFXXm9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[17:44:59] <pfred1> but that was quite a few years ago that I read it and people drove around a lot more back then
[17:45:38] <pfred1> you're spin lathing?
[17:45:54] <andypugh> Well, I know it as “metal spinning"
[17:46:08] <pfred1> I've heard about it
[17:46:19] <pfred1> looks like you're getting close
[17:46:22] <andypugh> It’s fun
[17:46:28] <pfred1> I bet
[17:46:46] <andypugh> Very hands-on and “crafty"
[17:47:00] <pfred1> I'm sure there is a lot of technique to it
[17:47:18] <pfred1> technique that yields greater results
[17:47:44] <pfred1> like once you figure it out you'll be like this is easy
[17:48:03] <pfred1> I don't know why I had so much trouble at the outset
[17:48:10] <andypugh> This guy has some good videos:
http://youtu.be/IkFdJwW_0GI
[17:48:41] <pfred1> I'm sure there are a couple of methods that when you follow them things go best
[17:49:33] <pfred1> what are you making headlight buckets for?
[17:50:27] <pfred1> in WW! the Allies couldn't figure out how the Germans managed to make their steel helmets
[17:50:58] <pfred1> they pressed them but still it was techniques they used that allowed them to control the thickness to a greater depth than the Allies could achieve
[17:50:59] <andypugh> pfred1: For my Ner-a-Car
[17:52:16] <pfred1> ah for a motorcycle
[17:52:47] <pfred1> isn't that just a crazy contraption?
[17:52:56] <andypugh> Yes.
[17:53:54] <pfred1> heh no, ah, I don't think so!
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/neracar_blackburne.jpg
[17:54:06] <pfred1> I'd sooner walk than ride that
[17:54:21] <pfred1> that is menacing looking
[17:54:58] <pfred1> what the heck is that open box on the side, in the back?
[17:55:24] <andypugh> No idea, it’s non-standard
[17:55:48] <pfred1> looks like the guy ripped it off the wall and said hey, a fuse box!
[17:56:10] <pfred1> I could use one of those
[17:57:03] <pfred1> yours doesn't look quite this mashed up does it?
[17:57:22] <andypugh> It looked a lot worse when i got it.
[17:57:43] <pfred1> I don't doubt you
[17:58:42] <pfred1> these look like what someone would make if they had a blind person describe what a motorcycle looks like to them
[18:00:50] <pfred1> once i painted a car for my old across the street neighbor
[18:01:20] <pfred1> but he'd alreayd preciously painted it with a brush by hand so I said, Waldo, I'll paint your car for you but you have to strip this other paint you put on it off first
[18:01:40] <pfred1> so he did like a half ass job stripping the paint off and he comes back
[18:01:45] <pfred1> so I paint over it
[18:02:07] <pfred1> and I got a good finish but you could see all of the half stripped off paint underneith
[18:02:25] <pfred1> well anyways a while later Waldo comes back and we're talking about that car
[18:02:38] <pfred1> he tells me when it took it to his blind friend he loved the paintjob
[18:03:05] <pfred1> was one of the strangest compliments I've ever gotten
[18:03:12] <andypugh> He liked the texture?
[18:03:15] <pfred1> yeah
[18:03:35] <pfred1> because there were like these blotches of the hand paint under it but I sprayed over the whole thing
[18:03:55] <pfred1> I got a good finish too cept it wasn't a smooth surface
[18:04:08] <pfred1> I wasn't going to sand the car for the guy
[18:04:12] <pfred1> gun it OK
[18:04:28] <pfred1> I couldn't afford to keep on telling him no at that point either
[18:05:03] <pfred1> waldo was OK but he was an odd bird
[18:05:15] <pfred1> he was Fidel Castro's personal doctor
[18:05:31] <pfred1> well before the revolution
[18:05:34] <andypugh> Really? There’s a claim to fame
[18:05:39] <pfred1> yeah really
[18:05:56] <pfred1> when the revolution broke out waldo got out of CUba
[18:06:05] <pfred1> but he spent his life rescuing other people
[18:06:13] <pfred1> he built 5 airplanes
[18:06:32] <pfred1> he'd give them to other people rescuing people out of CUba
[18:07:16] <pfred1> yeah waldo was a one of a kind
[18:07:32] <pfred1> with the bondo and da fiberdaglass
[18:08:23] <andypugh> He seems to have made a good job of doctoring Fidel, the guy seems immortal :-)
[18:09:04] <pfred1> poor waldo he's probably dead today
[18:09:22] <pfred1> the last i heard he was in a home in florida and his kids had already spent his money for him
[18:09:34] <pfred1> they didn't even wait until he died
[18:10:48] <pfred1> I don't think waldo was famous himself though
[18:10:56] <pfred1> waldo ruiz
[18:11:17] <pfred1> but he was right ther with fidel
[18:15:12] <andypugh> Well, anyway, time to see if I can sleep with the pulse-clock test making a bang every 30 seconds. (I wonder if it bothers the neighbours?)
[19:33:18] <zeeshan> man its been so long since eaton
[19:33:26] <zeeshan> ive dealt with this before but i totally forgot
[19:33:39] <zeeshan> is it better to pressurize an enclosure or vacuum
[19:34:02] <zeeshan> i remember we used to pressurize electrical enclosures that were in dangerous vapors where sparks could cause an explosion
[19:34:22] <zeeshan> so by keeping it pressurized with an external air source, the vapors never were allowed in the box
[19:34:36] <zeeshan> but im thinking from an maintenance perspective, whats better? :p
[19:34:56] <unfy> ordered some 4 pin microphone plugs and jacks
[19:43:22] <SpeedEvil> 'better' - for what
[19:45:55] <Rab> zeeshan, your cabinet will be in a machining environment with possible conductive particulates. I would pressurize the cabinet, or at least use positive pressure ventilation with filtration.
[19:46:23] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: maintenance wise
[19:46:30] <zeeshan> meaning less dust accumlation etc
[19:46:43] <zeeshan> rab okay good!
[19:46:50] <zeeshan> that seems easy
[19:46:57] <zeeshan> i just gotta find a 105mm bolt on filter
[19:46:59] <Rab> You have, like, a bare motherboard and all sorts of other stuff in there.
[19:47:21] <Rab> Or make a little plenum that takes some kind of standard filter you can slide in.
[19:47:23] <zeeshan> the fans i have have 4.125" holes apart
[19:47:43] <zeeshan> rab less work is nice
[19:47:55] <zeeshan> i was thinking just a bolt on filter that can wedge between the grill and the fan?
[19:47:59] <zeeshan> im sure they make some
[19:48:08] <Rab> Maintenance-wise, a commodity slide-in filter will be less work.
[19:48:15] <zeeshan> can i buy one
[19:48:17] <zeeshan> that wedges in?
[19:48:39] <zeeshan> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Comair%20Rotron%20PDFs/whisper%20XL%20AC.pdf
[19:48:41] <zeeshan> specs of fan
[19:48:45] <SpeedEvil> Sealing a non-sealed device is practically impossible to do
[19:48:56] <SpeedEvil> putting a filtered air source isn't hard at all
[19:49:10] <Rab> Weller makes muffin-fan-sized activated charcoal filters for fume extractors, $5-10 for a 3-pack. I don't know if those are suitable for dust filtration, though.
[19:49:26] <Rab> They're meant for flux fumes.
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> http://www.endpcnoise.com/sites/default/files/nexus_fan_filter.jpg
[19:50:42] <Rab> I make a ghetto extractor using a spare filter, perhaps this will inspire you:
http://reboots.g-cipher.net/extractor.jpg
[19:50:42] <zeeshan> there we go
[19:50:44] <zeeshan> thats what imn looking for
[19:50:50] <zeeshan> but in 4.125 bolt pattern :/
[19:50:59] <zeeshan> hmm that one is for a 120mm fan
[19:51:04] <Rab> How many fans do you have?
[19:51:07] <zeeshan> these fans outer dimensions are 120mm..
[19:51:09] <zeeshan> 4
[19:51:24] <zeeshan> rab thats too hardcore
[19:51:24] <zeeshan> :D
[19:51:37] <Rab> You can make a plywood thing that screws over all four fans and holds one rectangular filter.
[19:51:45] <zeeshan> well the fans are already mounted..
[19:51:56] <Rab> You don't want to replace four filters every time.
[19:52:04] <zeeshan> i dont mind lol
[19:52:11] <zeeshan> i like your idea of the slide in filter
[19:52:16] <Rab> You just said you want to minimize work.
[19:52:22] <zeeshan> but i wanna buy something premade that'll work with the bolt pattern i already have
[19:52:39] <zeeshan> a housing that well wedge in between the fan and the grill
[19:53:48] <Rab> zeeshan, at the e-waste place there were pallets of VFDs. From palm-sized up to pallet-sized; Toshiba, Hitachi, etc. They were all 3-phase input and useless to me.
[19:54:01] <zeeshan> dude
[19:54:03] <zeeshan> we talked about this
[19:54:07] <zeeshan> if its 240vac 3 phase input
[19:54:09] <zeeshan> GRAB EM!!!
[19:54:17] <Rab> There were too many!
[19:54:19] <zeeshan> you can derate em by 1/2 and run em off single phase
[19:54:20] <XXCoder> VFDs
[19:54:28] <zeeshan> NOOOOOOO
[19:54:29] <Rab> zeeshan, really.
[19:54:30] <zeeshan> go back and get some!
[19:54:34] <zeeshan> yes
[19:54:36] <Rab> Yeah, I'm thinking I should.
[19:54:50] <zeeshan> if you can grab some 2hp ones
[19:54:51] <XXCoder> I have NO IDEA how to find those places
[19:54:52] <zeeshan> ill send $!
[19:54:54] <Rab> They may all be broken.
[19:55:00] <XXCoder> I would like to buy scrap 8020s for example!
[19:55:06] <Rab> XXCoder, extrusion?
[19:55:11] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:55:13] <zeeshan> XXCoder: fakn rab is hooked up majorly
[19:55:13] <zeeshan> :)
[19:55:23] <Rab> XXCoder, look for scrap metal recycling in your town.
[19:55:24] <zeeshan> i need some of his luck!
[19:55:45] <XXCoder> yeah problem is they all open and close within my work hours :P
[19:55:51] <Rab> Yeah, typical.
[19:56:11] <zeeshan> rab
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> i think im gonna order 20 of these
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> lol
[19:56:18] <zeeshan> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EA14-Black-Dustproof-120mm-Mesh-Case-Fan-Dust-Filter-Cover-Grill-for-PC-Computer/1886540675.html
[19:56:31] <XXCoder> just 20? lol
[19:56:32] <XXCoder> jk
[19:56:32] <zeeshan> they look like an easy solution
[19:56:59] <Rab> And most places have fairly high turnover, so you need to troll pretty frequently to chance on the good stuff.
[19:57:00] <zeeshan> wait
[19:57:02] <zeeshan> wtf is going on here
[19:57:12] <zeeshan> the holes arent thru holes
[19:57:29] <zeeshan> hmm
[19:57:34] <zeeshan> it looks like you bolt on the grill first
[19:57:41] <zeeshan> and then there is an outer piece that snaps in place?
[19:57:42] <Rab> They may snap onto pegs.
[19:57:52] <Rab> You could sure drill 'em out, though.
[19:57:52] <zeeshan> sweet!!
[19:58:03] <zeeshan> that'll make filter replacement even easier
[19:58:53] <zeeshan> sweet.. my local store has em
[19:59:18] <zeeshan> http://www.sayal.com/STORE/Action_SEARCH.asp?search_key=fan+filter&Submit=Search
[20:01:13] <Rab> zeeshan, your fans blow into the case?
[20:01:19] <zeeshan> yea
[20:01:23] <Rab> OK
[20:01:48] <zeeshan> old pic
[20:01:49] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15289716823/
[20:01:52] <zeeshan> ive moved them to the bottom
[20:01:59] <zeeshan> theyre not inside the case..
[20:02:01] <zeeshan> theyre outside
[20:02:01] <zeeshan> lol
[20:02:12] <zeeshan> (needed more wire space)
[20:02:39] <Rab> No matter.
[20:02:44] <Rab> Where's the 4th fan?
[20:02:50] <zeeshan> on the door of the left case
[20:02:57] <zeeshan> right above the motherboard
[20:03:12] <zeeshan> the inlet is also on the door
[20:03:21] <Rab> Fans mounted on top of the case?
[20:03:21] <zeeshan> but overthe contactactors
[20:03:25] <zeeshan> its not the ideal thing
[20:03:26] <XXCoder> hmm how do I find out what type of rear light my van use?
[20:03:43] <zeeshan> XXCoder: what van
[20:03:49] <XXCoder> nissan quest 1996
[20:03:51] <zeeshan> its more than likely 1156
[20:03:55] <zeeshan> or 1157
[20:03:56] <Rab> XXCoder, look up the model on the Vato Zone site.,
[20:03:57] <XXCoder> aka soccer mom van
[20:04:29] <XXCoder> Rab: wow google fail
[20:04:38] <XXCoder> most talks about food lol
[20:04:39] <zeeshan> its a 1157.
[20:04:49] <XXCoder> how did you know?
[20:04:58] <Rab> http://www.autozone.com/electrical-and-lighting/tail-light-mini-bulb/nissan-datsun/quest-mini-van/1996/6-cylinders-w-3-0l-sfi?filterByKeyWord=taillight&fromString=search
[20:05:06] <Rab> zeeshan is correct.
[20:05:20] <zeeshan> XXCoder: google :D
[20:05:26] <zeeshan> most jap cars are 1156 or 1157
[20:05:32] <XXCoder> guess I used wrong words
[20:05:33] <zeeshan> both will work in the same socket
[20:05:39] <Rab> It might just have been a good guess, because 99% of vehicles use those bulbs.
[20:05:45] <zeeshan> i believe one is optimized for intermittent duty
[20:05:50] <zeeshan> the other is continuous
[20:06:17] <XXCoder> Im thinking buying led ones
[20:06:21] <XXCoder> aliexpress
[20:06:30] <zeeshan> rab you think i should swap my fans from 110v to 24VDC
[20:06:42] <zeeshan> im a bit weary about having 110V wires outside the enclosure :P
[20:07:08] <Rab> 1156 is single-filament. 1157 is dual-filament, containing both taillight and brake/turn signal. They aren't interchangeable.
[20:07:27] <zeeshan> fu
[20:07:32] <zeeshan> i plugged em in
[20:07:34] <zeeshan> they work :P
[20:07:35] <Rab> zeeshan, fans mounted on top of the case, blowing down?
[20:07:47] <zeeshan> fans are mounted bottom of case
[20:07:50] <zeeshan> blowing against gravity
[20:07:53] <zeeshan> :)
[20:08:07] <zeeshan> i figured thats a good way to get the air to mix
[20:08:09] <Rab> And with convection, which is even more important.
[20:08:10] <zeeshan> and be turbulent
[20:09:03] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-lot-1157-3020-22-SMD-P21-5W-BAY15D-Car-LED-Auto-Brake-Signal-Light-Automobile/32223245804.html
[20:09:27] <XXCoder> one thing is wtf though
[20:09:32] <XXCoder> it says beam angle 360
[20:09:36] <XXCoder> thats impossible
[20:12:28] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-pcs-1157-22-SMD-Car-LED-Brake-Turn-Light-Automobile-auto-Wedge-Lamp-Tail-Bulb/1904521442.html
[20:12:34] <XXCoder> 10 for not even 10 bucks
[20:35:38] <XXCoder> hmm
[20:36:03] <XXCoder> zee whats this glass tube with clamp-on ends light called
[20:36:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan:
[20:39:36] <XXCoder> oh it has 211-2 on it
[21:10:04] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan ?
[21:10:22] <zeeshan> hi
[21:10:37] <XXCoder> is 1157 two pole type for night light and brake?
[21:10:59] <XXCoder> if so whats one pole version for single type
[21:11:00] <zeeshan> if 1157 is the dual filament one
[21:11:01] <zeeshan> then yes
[21:11:06] <zeeshan> 1156
[21:11:12] <XXCoder> simple enough lol
[21:11:15] <XXCoder> mine seems red
[21:12:01] <zeeshan> are you still looking for a LED replacement?
[21:13:00] <XXCoder> yeah already found 1157 and 211-2
[21:13:10] <XXCoder> cant find 1156 yet. trying all same seller
[21:17:07] <XXCoder> woooooot
[21:17:08] <XXCoder> http://www.manualowl.com/am/Nissan/1996-Quest/Manual/829?page=198
[21:40:22] <Rab> Yeah, 211-2.
[21:40:34] <XXCoder> yeah already got it in carrt
[21:40:39] <XXCoder> now trying to find best 2156
[21:40:42] <XXCoder> er 1156
[21:40:59] <zeeshan> man
[21:41:00] <zeeshan> this is annoying me
[21:41:03] <Rab> 1156 is typically for parking lights.
[21:41:08] <zeeshan> why the hell cant i find a rj11 male breakout board
[21:41:10] <zeeshan> i only see female ones
[21:41:20] <zeeshan> these 2 vfds i have are retarded
[21:41:24] <XXCoder> Rab: or in yellow for turn signal. my car uses that
[21:41:26] <zeeshan> and use stupid rj11 cables for rs485
[21:41:30] <Rab> RJ11 male?
[21:41:41] <Rab> zeeshan, can you show me an example of a female breakout?
[21:41:42] <zeeshan> http://site.gravitech.us/MicroResearch/Breakout/RJ11-TERM/RJ11-TERM_1R.jpg
[21:41:47] <zeeshan> basically the makle version of this
[21:42:04] <Rab> Uhh...use a little male-male pigtail?
[21:42:24] <zeeshan> ill show you what im doing
[21:42:36] <Rab> RJ11 isn't very robust, if you find one built on to a connector it wouldn't hold up to a lot of mechanical strain.
[21:42:37] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/6PAAAMXQtUxTckct/$_57.JPG
[21:42:47] <zeeshan> yea but it doesnt really take much force
[21:42:54] <zeeshan> theres only 2 dinky little 28 gauge wires going to it
[21:42:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan: what about rj45
[21:43:01] <zeeshan> wont fit in there
[21:43:10] <XXCoder> hmm guess so
[21:43:16] <Rab> It will with a wired terminal strip cantilevered off of it.
[21:43:28] <zeeshan> rab lol
[21:43:30] <zeeshan> i think itll be okay
[21:43:33] <zeeshan> ill superglue it if i have to!
[21:43:43] <XXCoder> Rab:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2pcs-lot-1156-BA15S-DC-12V-13-5050-SMD-LED-Yellow-Car-Rear-Brake-Light-Lamp/204593_2017926198.html
[21:43:47] <zeeshan> i guess the proper way would be to mount the breakout board
[21:43:49] <zeeshan> female version
[21:43:54] <zeeshan> and run a rj11 cable.. male to male
[21:43:59] <XXCoder> wonder how good its spread of light is
[21:44:38] <Rab> Or crimp a connector onto your 28ga wire.
[21:44:56] <zeeshan> rab basically with modbus
[21:45:07] <zeeshan> i need each pin of each vfd
[21:45:09] <zeeshan> to be in parallel
[21:45:18] <zeeshan> my spindle vfd uses an onboard breakout board
[21:45:24] <zeeshan> these 2 rretarded vfds use rj11
[21:45:33] <zeeshan> so it's like i'll need to make a patch cable
[21:45:43] <Rab> Hmm, I see.
[21:45:53] <zeeshan> which is hard to do :P
[21:46:08] <Rab> Still, you could run an RJ11 cable from each VFD to a common terminal strip.
[21:46:21] <zeeshan> yes
[21:46:25] <zeeshan> hmm.
[21:46:38] <zeeshan> hey that'll work
[21:46:41] <zeeshan> i could ghetto it up a bit
[21:46:55] <zeeshan> run rj11 cable from from each vfd to the vfd with the breakout board
[21:47:06] <zeeshan> from that breakout board to my computer
[21:47:16] <zeeshan> it'll just have 3 wiires per pin pad :P
[21:47:28] * zeeshan hates working with rj11
[21:47:34] <zeeshan> the wires are so dinky they're easy to break
[21:47:48] <zeeshan> i wish they'd make at least a 18 gauge version of it!
[21:48:01] <XXCoder> cat5 is tough
[21:48:09] <XXCoder> expecially patch cable version
[21:48:26] <XXCoder> you could just use rj11 with cat5
[21:48:30] <roycroft> if you have the proper tools 22/24ga phone wire is easy to deal with
[21:48:36] <Rab> Yeah, use cat5 and ground the unused pairs.
[21:48:49] <zeeshan> will cat5 fit in a rj11 connector?
[21:48:58] <Rab> It will. Not all the pairs.
[21:48:59] <zeeshan> the physical wire strand
[21:49:04] <roycroft> it will work fine
[21:49:05] <zeeshan> okay that'll work
[21:49:16] <roycroft> the category rating has to do with how tightly twisted the wire is
[21:49:23] <Rab> I think 3 pairs are max for RJ11.
[21:49:25] <zeeshan> is all cat5 shielded
[21:49:27] <roycroft> not the size of the wire
[21:49:33] <roycroft> no cat5 is shielded
[21:49:46] <XXCoder> cat6 is sheilded.
[21:49:57] <XXCoder> cat5e comes in both versions I think
[21:50:06] <Rab> I don't mean to be difficult, but there is shielded cat5 and typical cat6 is not shielded.
[21:50:08] <roycroft> if you're making cables that will move, use stranded cat5, not solid
[21:50:33] <zeeshan> man i could avoid all this bs if they put a proper pin pad
[21:50:36] <zeeshan> isntead of a rj11 cable
[21:50:36] <roycroft> rab: i don't think there is shielded cat5, but i'm not absolutely positive
[21:50:37] <zeeshan> :/
[21:50:53] <roycroft> there could well be twisted pair cable that is rated at cat5 that is shielded
[21:51:01] <zeeshan> i just cut an ethernet cable
[21:51:03] <zeeshan> this one is shielded
[21:51:06] <Rab> Shielding is not desireable for typical ethernet applications because the ground proximity messes with the characteristics of the differential pair.
[21:51:06] <zeeshan> cat5e
[21:51:16] <roycroft> i've never seen an ethernet cable that is shielded
[21:51:21] <roycroft> what good does the shield do?
[21:51:33] <roycroft> it's floating
[21:51:35] <roycroft> not grounded
[21:51:38] <Rab> http://www.blackbox.com/Store/Detail.aspx/CAT5-Shielded-Twisted-Pair-Cable-STP-with-Snagless-Boots-T568B-4-Pair-RJ-45-Stranded-PVC-CMR-Riser-Gray-Custom-Lengths/EVNSL60
[21:51:39] <roycroft> so it's useless
[21:51:51] <Rab> You use special shielded connectors so it is grounded.
[21:52:09] <Rab> http://www.showmecables.com/product/Cat5e-Shielded-Connector-Solid-Cable.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=598&zmam=49733141&zmac=5&zmas=1&zmap=598&gclid=CNzCyOvEusICFcbtMgodZ3sAIg
[21:52:18] <zeeshan> secksi
[21:52:59] <roycroft> i don't care what vendors call their cable
[21:53:18] <roycroft> and i can't afford to buy a copy of tia568, so i am not going to make an absolute claim
[21:53:55] <XXCoder> I'm somewhat sure zee's rj11 jack dont have special connectors
[21:54:04] <XXCoder> so I guess it's unsheilded then
[21:54:11] <roycroft> anyone remember the dec connectors?
[21:54:20] <roycroft> i still have a very expensive crimp tool for them
[21:54:21] <XXCoder> I suppose he can replace
[21:54:28] <roycroft> they're just like rj11, but the tab is offset, not centered
[21:54:34] <roycroft> 6 conductor
[21:54:41] <Rab> It might actually be best for one side to be ungrounded, to avoid ground loops.
[21:54:48] <XXCoder> roycroft: lego mindstorms use it
[21:54:49] <roycroft> i suppose first i should ask if anyone remembers dec :)
[21:54:58] <roycroft> shielded cables should never be grounded at both ends
[21:55:18] <roycroft> for the very reason mentioned above
[21:55:22] <Rab> roycroft, I had a pile of that stuff (but no crimpers). Eventually I recycled it all.
[21:55:22] <zeeshan> http://www.metersusa.com/images/Acuvim/AcuvimCom9.JPG
[21:55:28] <zeeshan> does this thing not need a common ground
[21:56:03] <Rab> d i g i t a l
[21:56:19] <roycroft> i still have a vt320 that i use on a semi-regular basis
[21:56:45] <roycroft> some of my network gear does not like rs232 connections through a usb-rs232 adapter
[21:56:47] <Rab> I have a couple of vt420s...can't bring myself to recycle those.
[21:56:57] <roycroft> and laptops these days don't come with real rs232 ports
[21:57:10] <roycroft> so i lug the vt320 around when i need console access to that gear
[21:57:28] <roycroft> the vt320 is actually not that bad to schlep around
[21:57:33] <roycroft> a vt100 would be a pain in the butt
[21:57:52] <Rab> Are they green, or amber?
[21:57:54] <Jymm> My macbook has a RS-232
[21:58:04] <roycroft> yes
[21:58:05] <roycroft> :)
[21:58:11] <XXCoder> zeeshan: 10base2 ;)
[21:58:22] <roycroft> 10base5 was more fun
[21:58:31] <roycroft> cables the size of cigars
[21:58:32] <XXCoder> never used thicknet
[21:58:33] <zeeshan> i clearly need some rest :)
[21:58:35] <zeeshan> im asking some stupid qs
[21:58:37] <zeeshan> gnite! :D
[21:58:42] <XXCoder> I sure used sneakernet a lot
[21:59:07] * roycroft made some glhwein and so needs to stop operating heavy equipment for the evening
[21:59:32] <Jymm> roycroft: Think about what I said =)
[21:59:55] <roycroft> there's a lot to be said about bandwidth of a station wagon
[22:00:16] <roycroft> how old is it, jymm?
[22:00:22] <roycroft> i know the really old macbooks had rs232 ports
[22:00:26] <Jymm> roycroft: C2D
[22:00:57] <Jymm> roycroft: Apple has NEVERhad RS-232 that I am aware of
[22:03:30] <XXCoder> btw there was recent test
[22:03:38] <XXCoder> mailnet easily won
[22:04:06] <XXCoder> single box of multi-gigs flash drives arrived before network could download, and it was beefy network connection too
[22:05:53] <roycroft> but they have appletalk
[22:06:01] <roycroft> which is better than rs232, because it's proprietary!
[22:06:04] <Jymm> roycroft: Works in MS-DOS without drivers...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839328018
[22:06:49] <Jymm> roycroft: It's not made by Syba, just sold by them.
[22:06:52] <roycroft> i thought they did have rs232 ports in the olden days
[22:07:08] <Jymm> roycroft: works n my netbook too
[22:07:13] <roycroft> i might try one of those
[22:07:26] <roycroft> i have a usb-rs232 dongle that i've been using for years
[22:07:40] <roycroft> and it works with most things, but not all
[22:07:54] <roycroft> i just placed an order with newegg about 8 minutes ago
[22:07:58] <roycroft> bad timing :)
[22:08:51] <roycroft> my mbp doesn't have a pci slot though
[22:09:00] <roycroft> it has one of those narrower slots with the rounded sides
[22:09:09] <roycroft> the one that nothing fits
[22:12:10] <XXCoder> fun standard
[22:21:44] <roycroft> yeah, i don't even remember what it's called
[22:21:53] <roycroft> "the slot of wasted real estate"
[22:22:00] <roycroft> that's all i can think about it
[22:22:05] <jdh> I have a big-box-of-serial at work. Whenever I have to get it out, things are bad.
[22:23:02] <XXCoder> omg
[22:23:20] <XXCoder> I found a way to bypass stupid no washington state aliexpress without using oregon
[22:23:55] <roycroft> aliexpress don't ship to washington?
[22:23:59] <XXCoder> nope
[22:24:06] <XXCoder> so I used waashington state
[22:24:06] <roycroft> why not?
[22:24:10] <roycroft> did amazon stop them?
[22:24:26] <XXCoder> it looks almost like washington so postal office will send it correctly anyway
[22:24:43] <renesis> post office just cares about zip
[22:24:46] <roycroft> right
[22:25:03] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/oje4uvc
[22:25:07] <jdh> I actually made something today
[22:25:23] <roycroft> you could write "bill gates huge mansion, just outside redmond wa, 02136" and it would go to boston
[22:25:24] <renesis> seriously, why dont they?
[22:25:45] <XXCoder> renesis: We are sorry, but due to legal restrictions, AliExpress is unable to provide escrow services to residents located in Washington State.
[22:25:49] <renesis> does washington have state tariffs or some shit?
[22:25:58] <XXCoder> good thing I like at waasington state eh ;)
[22:25:58] <roycroft> that would be unconstitutional
[22:26:07] <XXCoder> *live
[22:26:14] <renesis> i guess somehow them taking money for manufacturers is considered escrow?
[22:26:18] <renesis> tf...
[22:26:27] <roycroft> only the federal government can impose tariffis on foreign goods
[22:26:28] <XXCoder> no idea at all
[22:26:37] <renesis> roycroft: this is what i always thought
[22:26:40] <XXCoder> anyway its solved
[22:26:46] <renesis> ya
[22:26:48] <XXCoder> no more asking change oregon to washington
[22:27:12] <roycroft> there may be some state banking regulation that makes it difficult
[22:27:22] <renesis> thats what i would guess
[22:27:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:27:31] <renesis> like how they defined sescrow or something
[22:27:38] <renesis> *escrow
[22:27:47] <roycroft> but i suspect it really is because amazon are located in washington
[22:28:00] <XXCoder> anyway I ordered 5 different kinds of led lights for my van
[22:28:14] <XXCoder> one is bit ricious (10 for 3 bucks)
[22:28:14] <roycroft> where in washington do you live, xxcoder?
[22:28:20] <XXCoder> tacoma
[22:28:24] <roycroft> oh
[22:28:29] <roycroft> the armpit of the northwet :)
[22:28:34] <XXCoder> planning to rob my home eh
[22:28:41] <roycroft> just curios
[22:28:43] <roycroft> i live in eugene
[22:28:45] <XXCoder> or my fancy soccer mom van lol
[22:28:47] <roycroft> i used to live in bellingham
[22:29:15] <roycroft> i don't run into too many people from our part of the world on irc
[22:29:17] <renesis> tacoma isnt so bad
[22:29:27] <XXCoder> it used to be crime filled area
[22:29:33] <renesis> reminded me of the san fernando valley, close to the city, but suburban chill
[22:29:34] <XXCoder> still bit issues but mostly solved
[22:29:55] <XXCoder> also if I walk 5 miles to west I would drown in ocean
[22:30:02] <renesis> i was there like almost 10 years ago last, didnt seem so bad
[22:30:05] <roycroft> they finally put a cork in the weyerhauser mill
[22:30:05] <XXCoder> well inlet sea but still. lol
[22:30:13] <XXCoder> issue was in 90s
[22:30:15] <renesis> the sound is so fuckin clear
[22:30:18] <renesis> blew my mind
[22:30:40] <renesis> like, i was standing at the end of a dock, looked down and could see clear jellyfish like 15 feet deep
[22:30:42] <roycroft> it used to be that i could be sound asleep in the car (with someone else driving) and i would wake up when we passed through tacoma
[22:30:45] <roycroft> due to the smell
[22:30:47] <renesis> that doesnt happen in los angeles, heh
[22:30:57] <roycroft> but that mill was corked like 25 years ago now
[22:31:22] <renesis> some of the parks there are pretty cool
[22:31:34] <renesis> i really miss it there
[22:31:47] <roycroft> i loved living in bellingham
[22:32:06] <roycroft> my living room and office windows overlooked bellingham bay, which was two blocks downhill
[22:32:15] <roycroft> i did not like the cold and snow there
[22:32:22] <roycroft> which is a major reason i moved down to eugene
[22:39:32] <taiden> evening gentlemen
[22:40:13] <taiden> i'm thinking of switching to servo motorson my cnc router
[22:40:44] <taiden> never looked at them before, are there any goodprimers or design guides on nema23 sized servo motors, encoders, etc?
[22:42:36] <taiden> or maybe just adding feedback for my steppers...
[23:14:44] <renesis> nema23 servo is prob cute
[23:15:02] <taiden> i'm sure of it :)
[23:15:25] <renesis> i really cant think of anytime ive seen a servo on a machine tool that small
[23:15:53] <renesis> oh actually, yeah little non machine tool xy tables
[23:16:46] <taiden> nema34 would probably befine
[23:30:54] <pfred1> you can get good performance out of steppers
[23:53:35] <renesis> http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/stepper/stepper-motor-item.php?sID=14&pt=i&tID=75&cID=19
[23:53:42] <renesis> anyone heard of nema24?
[23:53:58] <renesis> saw those and wondered if worth it for the taig
[23:54:50] <renesis> up to double the torque of their nema23 stuff
[23:55:13] <XXCoder> 24 hmm I have nema23s. still havent used it :P
