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[02:17:22] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:45] <Tecan> moinmoin
[04:19:34] <chrysator> hey can someone help me explain why i got two outputs for spindle right/left?
[04:19:51] <chrysator> shouldnt i be able to make a spindle direction output?
[06:10:22] <jdh> you could make them with an or and a couple of ands
[06:11:36] * Loetmichel is still itching everywhere... saturday i just had put up a sattelite dish at my sisters house... i HATE Rockwool :-( not even 2 times long bathtub session can clear that :-(
[07:59:30] <jdh> 30% off onlinemetals.com today (over $100)
[08:02:21] <_methods> score
[08:03:40] <jdh> 20% off everything at enco and free shipping
[08:03:58] <SpeedEvil> Not to here.
[08:04:21] <jdh> oh well
[08:04:51] <XXCoder> that site has sample poack. interesting
[08:04:52] * SpeedEvil wishes he had a legally operable car.
[08:05:10] * XXCoder too and he has a car and van, both broken bahh
[08:08:46] <_methods> ouch
[08:16:44] <CaptHindsight> jdh: metal superstores are generally lower priced if you deal direct with the local store
[08:21:41] <jdh> Capt. guess how many there are within 100 miles of me.
[08:22:39] <CaptHindsight> jdh: probably way less than 38
[08:23:04] <jdh> less than single digits
[08:23:31] <_methods> you don't have any local machine shops?
[08:24:03] <jdh> yeah. they don't like individuals though.
[08:24:25] <jdh> well, I've only talked to ones that do work for my company.
[08:24:29] <_methods> that sux we let people come in and dig through our drops and stuff
[08:24:40] <_methods> within reason of course
[08:26:51] <CaptHindsight> _methods: do you charge them $1 just to browse? :)
[08:27:05] <_methods> well if they're smart they'll bring in some doughnuts or soemthing
[08:27:16] <_methods> then you get free reign lol
[09:55:08] <_methods> anyone in here ever convert one of those harbor freight mini lathes?
[09:56:53] <pcw_home> I have a tiny one and its so rubbery-blubbery I cant imagine conversion would be anything but a dissapointment
[09:58:02] <_methods> i was just wondering i figured they probably sucked lol
[09:58:03] <ssi> if you want to cut plastic and maybe brass and aluminum on it it'd probably do ok
[09:58:15] <_methods> i was just curious if they were even viable
[10:02:25] <_methods> i spun the handles on one at harbor freight and they seemed pretty flimsy
[10:05:49] <ssi> they're on sale today :P
[10:07:55] <_methods> yeah that's why i was wondering lol
[10:08:08] <PetefromTn_> what are we talking about?
[10:08:15] <ssi> the hf 7x12
[10:08:21] <PetefromTn_> yeesh
[10:09:02] <_methods> ah i was just wondering if they were even worth converting
[10:12:09] <PetefromTn_> I thought you had a nice lathe in your shop?
[10:12:49] <_methods> i do
[10:12:59] <_methods> i'm not going to convert it thought
[10:13:06] <_methods> would be sacrilege
[10:13:10] <ssi> what do you haveL
[10:13:16] <_methods> but a cheap chinese lathe i'll rape all day
[10:13:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:13:25] <_methods> i have a little atlas 10"
[10:13:30] <PetefromTn_> I suppose for fun and really small parts it would be fine
[10:13:33] <ssi> nice
[10:13:38] <ssi> yeah I wouldn't convert that either
[10:13:49] <ssi> man I'm seriously in love with this little southbend
[10:13:52] <ssi> it's a joy to operate
[10:13:52] <_methods> no way it's history
[10:13:59] <_methods> like your southbend
[10:14:16] <archivist> one needs a manual lathe
[10:14:25] <ssi> well my sb isn't a particularly old machine, and they made a blue million of them
[10:14:26] * _methods agrees 100%
[10:14:26] <PetefromTn_> ya got that shit right
[10:14:29] <archivist> or three
[10:14:32] <ssi> so it's not like I'd be removing a piece of history by converting it
[10:14:36] <ssi> BUT
[10:14:39] <ssi> it just doesn't make sense
[10:14:50] <ssi> if you convert it, you pull off all the things that make it a nice manual lathe
[10:14:53] <ssi> and it just becomes a bed and a headstock
[10:14:57] <ssi> and you can get that from grizzly :P
[10:15:11] <_methods> you can't get a lathe like that southbend anymore
[10:15:20] <ssi> not new
[10:15:30] <_methods> no
[10:15:36] <_methods> and every year there will be less of them
[10:15:47] <ssi> yep
[10:16:08] <ssi> so far only one thing I've found needs fixing on this lathe
[10:16:17] <PetefromTn_> sure you can grizzly sells em LOL
[10:16:18] <ssi> the bull gear plunger's knurled head is all dicked up
[10:16:31] <ssi> need to find and/or make a new one
[10:17:15] <ssi> it's really hard to get ahold of to pull out, especially when a chuck is mounted
[10:18:23] <ssi> I cut a taper with the taper attachment last night
[10:18:25] <ssi> man is that sweet
[10:18:41] <ssi> it's a telescoping taper setup so you don't have to uncouple the cross slide from the screw
[10:18:52] <ssi> I don't fully understand how that black magic works, but awesome
[10:22:12] <archivist> ssi it is a bugger to use on my old lathe too, design
[10:22:39] <ssi> the plunger?
[10:22:45] <archivist> yes
[10:23:00] <ssi> yea it'll be hard to use either way, but mine has the head all broken off so there's just a couple sharp points to grab onto instead of a nice knurled head
[10:26:20] <archivist> I am not the only revolting green user http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/pictures-new-lathe-2-gear-questions-253630/
[10:31:48] <ssi> :D
[10:31:56] <ssi> how in the world do they become that color?
[10:32:23] <ssi> that's a wee 9" innit
[10:32:39] <_methods> i think they came that way
[10:32:46] <_methods> all the ones at school we had were that color
[10:32:48] <ssi> horrible!
[10:32:49] <ssi> heheh
[10:33:17] <_methods> must have been a color option
[10:49:02] <jdh> lots of 7x conversions on youtube
[10:51:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Teaching-DIY-CNC-Metal-Motorized-Mini-Lathe-Machine-/221559884930?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3395ff8c82
[10:54:34] <archivist> 129.99 over priced
[10:54:46] <PetefromTn_> heh
[10:55:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Lathe-Of-Heaven-S-F-MASTERWORKS-Le-Guin-Ursula-New-Condition-/231399589053?pt=Fiction&hash=item35e07d84bd is substantially better
[10:55:42] <SpeedEvil> I especially like the size, listed to tenths.
[10:59:51] <PetefromTn_> Important Note: There are many customers reflecting it is not the CNC product.This is not the so-called industry CNC product.It can not be computer controlled. It is mainly used for teaching, hobbies and other DIY works.
[11:00:25] <_methods> the lathe of heaven...........
[11:01:06] <PetefromTn_> that entire machine is less than a foot long.
[11:02:06] <PetefromTn_> that means those handles are like 1" diameter and that chuck may be 2" diameter at best?
[11:04:25] <SpeedEvil> The 'may not be an actual machine tool' checklist
[11:04:33] <SpeedEvil> 'Would it lose a fight with a blendtek blender'
[11:04:52] <_methods> hahaha
[11:05:04] <PetefromTn_> that might lose a fight with my electric razor hehe
[11:05:59] <Loetmichel> hmm
[11:06:43] <Loetmichel> sound like the chinese drills i had once... did that to it onehanded wioth an battery drill... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14784
[11:07:07] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bschb8ue45gox04/goats.jpg?dl=0
[11:07:28] <PetefromTn_> dafuk?
[11:07:28] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:07:34] <_methods> hahah
[11:07:40] <_methods> that's my shop lol
[11:07:42] <pcw_home> why we have sheep instaed of goats
[11:08:09] <PetefromTn_> that drill is like a wet noodle huh loetmichel
[11:08:24] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: xes
[11:08:25] <SpeedEvil> It's a feature
[11:08:35] <_methods> you're not supposed to use the drill as a turning tool
[11:08:38] <SpeedEvil> you can change from right-hand to left-hand spiral
[11:08:40] <PetefromTn_> I guess better to bend then break?
[11:09:16] <_methods> angle drill
[11:09:20] <PetefromTn_> its an adjustable boring head
[11:09:30] <Loetmichel> ... so much for the TiN plating
[11:09:43] <Loetmichel> very useable when the seel under it is so soft
[11:09:48] <Loetmichel> (if its steel at all ;-)
[11:09:50] <PetefromTn_> I hate that shit. Never had anything but bad luck from Tin stuff
[11:09:57] * SpeedEvil is in the process of making a 2.4m boring head.
[11:10:13] <SpeedEvil> Though it's for cutting 50mm holes in foam
[11:10:17] <SpeedEvil> so it's not quite that insane
[11:45:32] * jthornton has gotten jog while paused to work on Ubuntu and Debian now
[11:45:59] <roycroft> there's a youtube video of some guy who made a boring bar about 3m long to true up the inside of some pipes
[11:46:30] <roycroft> i don't recall the name of the shop, but it was a small family machine shop in new england
[11:46:38] <roycroft> pretty good video
[11:53:07] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: yeah - Ithink I might have seen that.
[11:53:19] <SpeedEvil> My cutting forces will be a _teeny_ bit lower. :)
[11:58:50] <roycroft> i should imagine
[12:01:30] <roycroft> it was a fun video though
[12:01:34] <roycroft> series of videos, rather
[12:01:37] <SpeedEvil> I have 150mm thick 1.2*2.4m panels
[12:01:55] <SpeedEvil> I'm making 50mm holes through them, so I can thread them on scaffolding poles
[12:02:20] <SpeedEvil> At least that's the plan, I need to do more numbers to see if it works
[12:05:23] <roycroft> how are you going to keep the boring bar from whipping around?
[12:15:32] <SpeedEvil> 100RPM or so
[12:15:43] <SpeedEvil> maybe slower
[12:16:07] <SpeedEvil> And practically - a 51mm hole would be just fine
[12:16:08] <roycroft> it's still a pretty long bore
[12:16:26] <roycroft> it should be fun
[12:18:11] <SpeedEvil> If it doesn't work - going through the short edges would work too, so that's even easier
[12:19:00] <archivist> just carve a U shape in an edge then butt two around
[12:19:46] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that's very structurally weak
[12:19:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm hoping for a structure that can take moderate loads
[12:20:11] <SpeedEvil> the foam itself is actually 'strong' - in moderate thicknesses anyway
[12:20:15] <archivist> that is the poles job not the insulation
[12:20:17] <SpeedEvil> I need to do some testing of course
[12:20:37] <SpeedEvil> yes - but the edges will snap off
[12:21:25] <roycroft> make some u-shaped channel to cap the edges?
[12:25:00] <SpeedEvil> And yes - that might work - however I'm trying this first as it seems like it may work quite well
[12:29:59] <roycroft> right - not trying to discourage your original plan
[12:30:12] <roycroft> but contingency plans are always good
[12:43:52] <_methods> oh wow black mirror is on us netflix finally
[12:52:24] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/tls/4784275986.html
[12:52:31] <jdh> lots of delusional people out there.
[12:55:15] <_methods> yeah tad high there
[14:56:31] <Tecan> you guys ever find yourself wondering why you dont live on a nice tropical beach somewhere
[14:56:58] <Tecan> collecting coconuts and fish
[14:57:19] <jdh> it doesn't pay well.
[14:57:23] <LeelooMinai> I do, and then remember earthquqes, tsunamis, hurricanes, and think "That's why"
[14:57:42] <Tecan> Leeloo do you have 4 feet of snow outside too ?
[14:57:48] <unfy> i hate fish, and i have a disease that makes it impossible to open things. music cases, dvd cases, boxes from ebay ... let alone coconuts
[14:57:51] <LeelooMinai> I forgot vulcanos:)
[14:57:56] <jdh> we are teh northernmost place with coconuts
[14:57:59] <LeelooMinai> No, not much snow here
[14:58:34] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: what did you decide to do for your table?
[14:58:47] <jdh> ice table
[14:58:59] <Tecan> for plasma ?
[14:59:17] <jdh> she has plenty. can just chip some off her igloo walls
[14:59:36] <LeelooMinai> Well, I ordered this surface plate for $45, but wait for them to tell me the shipping
[15:00:00] <LeelooMinai> In any case, current plan is to use some surface plate to make the table - that is as the bottom of the mold.
[15:00:27] <LeelooMinai> mould? mold... you know - the cast shell
[15:01:30] <LeelooMinai> The only problem is that that $5 surface plate is 12 by 18": http://www.busybeetools.com/products/SURFACE-PLATE-12IN.-X-18IN.-X-3IN..html
[15:01:34] <LeelooMinai> 45*
[15:01:50] <LeelooMinai> So, well, I may have to make the table from 3 segments or something
[15:02:20] <LeelooMinai> But this would be cheap and I would have surface plate too as a bonus
[15:03:01] <LeelooMinai> But no more money now to buy epoxy or anything so I have to wait and in the meantime do some FPGA/VHDL
[15:03:31] <jdh> you could make a mobile meth lab to pay for cnc parts
[15:03:41] <CaptHindsight> I pay about the same for those but I pick up local
[15:03:52] <LeelooMinai> jdh: Is that from your experience? :)
[15:04:09] <jdh> no, I sell shark teeth.
[15:06:50] <LeelooMinai> It would make things much easier for me if the plate was 18by24. SOme local guy sells one for $75 apparently
[15:07:25] <LeelooMinai> But I will wait what happens with those busybee guys - they were supposed to respond with shipping cost
[15:08:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/2342/Grade_B_18quot_x_24quot_Black_Granite_Surface_Plate about the price from Shars
[15:08:13] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if there are traps with used plates
[15:08:35] <LeelooMinai> I live in a strange place called Canada
[15:09:23] <jdh> where MIC6 is regulated by the province?
[15:09:47] <LeelooMinai> No, where they quote $888 for 21 by 21 piece of it:)
[15:10:20] <jdh> bummer
[15:10:44] <CaptHindsight> how about from Enco?
[15:11:45] <jdh> $184 for 0.5" 21x21 mic6
[15:11:56] <LeelooMinai> What about it? Seems US, so that almost never works - crazy duties, shipping, etc.
[15:12:48] <LeelooMinai> Bag of concrete will have to do for me:)
[15:16:56] <LeelooMinai> Last time I ordered mesa kit from US they slapped $100 of duties on me:/
[15:17:08] * LeelooMinai shakes her fist
[15:18:31] <jdh> wow.
[15:18:33] <jdh> UPS?
[15:18:36] <unfy> sometime tonight i'll be hooking up electronics for first time to see what they do. yay.
[15:18:58] <_methods> i hear if you get your packages shipped by usps instead they won't charge you duties
[15:19:02] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, forgot what it was - I know it was not USPS
[15:19:18] <LeelooMinai> Probably UPS
[15:19:34] <_methods> yeah get it sent usps and marked as gift
[15:20:09] <LeelooMinai> Or get it shipped free from China:)
[15:21:42] <_methods> hows that working out for ya?
[15:22:07] <LeelooMinai> I must say I had probably 99% of success rate with this
[15:22:19] <jdh> give them a few years to clone them. 6i25 with bad directions for 3.99 shipped
[15:22:23] <LeelooMinai> Once I did not get a package, but that's over like 4 years
[15:22:42] <_methods> so when's your mic6 coming in from china?
[15:23:00] <LeelooMinai> Well, that's the thing - there's problem with things that are heavy
[15:24:06] <LeelooMinai> Though I got some reasonably heavy things too - like all the cnc rails, ballscrews, steppers. O, one once I bought nice inspection microscope for my electronics work.
[15:24:21] <LeelooMinai> It was pretty heavy too.
[15:24:43] <LeelooMinai> But slab of aluminum, well, I guess no go:)
[15:25:19] <jdh> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/OPHIR-Free-Shipping-NEW-Beginner-Tatto0-Kit-One-Motor-Machine-with-7-Colour-Pigment-Ink-TA001/967844315.html?s=p
[15:25:33] <jdh> ^^ better than making meth for cash
[15:26:04] <LeelooMinai> Using tattoo kit...?
[15:26:07] <_methods> so you can do this?
[15:26:08] <_methods> http://laughingsquid.com/an-eager-star-wars-fan-already-has-a-tattoo-depicting-the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-spherical-astromech-droid/
[15:26:39] <SpeedEvil> CNC tattooing isn't a thing yet?
[15:26:55] <jdh> touch-off might be a pain
[15:27:00] * LeelooMinai wonders if that episode will start with Solo, Leia and some other old people playing bingo
[15:27:46] <jdh> I just got my 3rd ENCO email of the day
[15:27:51] <LeelooMinai> That's a droid from the actual movie? I thought it was World Cup soccer commercial:)
[15:28:48] <PetefromTn_> wow man would suck if it turns out that droid is annoying or destroyed in first minute of the movie heh
[15:29:19] <LeelooMinai> Right, the movie starts, the droid speaks in Jar Jar voice, and all the pople leave
[15:29:21] <_methods> hahahah
[15:29:28] <PetefromTn_> exactly right
[15:29:31] <PetefromTn_> could happen
[15:29:54] <PetefromTn_> I am as big a Star Wars fan as anyone and I would NOT_DO_THAT!!
[15:30:25] <LeelooMinai> More likely some bad guy will kick it like a fottball ball
[15:30:45] <PetefromTn_> some imperial walker will stomp it in the opening credits...
[15:46:41] <PetefromTn_> Oh and If I could live back in Florida I would happily accept the tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunami's etc. etc. just let me sit on the beach fishing enjoying the sunlight and when the tsunami comes I will smile and kiss my happy ass goodbye LOL
[15:47:09] <_methods> ah yeah it's a balmy 70+ here right now
[15:47:15] <_methods> no ice scrapers in my car
[15:47:22] <PetefromTn_> you in Florida?
[15:47:28] <_methods> south carolina
[15:47:35] <PetefromTn_> that doesn't count
[15:47:43] <_methods> the temp does lol
[15:47:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is actually in the mid 60's here today
[15:48:17] <PetefromTn_> got my new AC installed and it is supposed to be in the mid 60's for the next week at least heh
[15:52:35] <CaptHindsight> we're back to 16F today :(
[15:52:46] <jdh> 74F here.
[15:53:06] <_methods> hell yeah
[15:54:24] <unfy> i think i saw 19f when driving to work today around 11am
[15:54:28] <unfy> (omaha, ne)
[15:54:32] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Don't feel bad man I am sure we will be following suit before too long. JDH you suck hehehe
[16:05:18] <jthornton> oh wow bacon scented pillow cases from J&D's foods... I could not sleep smelling bacon
[16:14:22] <zeeshan> http://mizutaniscissors.com/shop/sword/sword-engraved-model/
[16:14:23] <zeeshan> damn
[16:19:21] <LeelooMinai> Shoot me if I buy scissors for $900 one day:)
[16:50:34] <Jymmm> Only $4000
[16:51:00] <Tom_itx> bargain
[16:51:58] <Jymmm> FREE with coupon http://www.harborfreight.com/multipurpose-scissors-47877.html
[16:52:05] <Tom_itx> free shipping!
[16:52:15] <Jymmm> and actually not bad either
[16:52:34] <Jymmm> I have about 6 pairs
[16:52:50] <roycroft> it won't be free any more after you put your eye out with those scissors
[16:54:16] <Jymmm> They work better than some EMT sheers
[16:54:38] <Jymmm> cut 5/8" nylon rope easily
[16:55:26] <LeelooMinai> I bought titnium coated scissors once - the plastic handles broke though
[16:57:00] <Jymmm> Yeah, free works for me.
[16:57:09] <Jymmm> if it breaks, I don't care.
[16:57:24] <Jymmm> But I found some nice emt sheers too, $3
[16:57:39] <LeelooMinai> I kind of wish there was something like that Harbor site in Canada
[16:58:03] <Jymmm> I have these too, love em http://www.harborfreight.com/14-inch-scissors-90609.html
[16:58:23] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: It's okey, it's all crap stuff, you just have to be aware of it.
[16:58:42] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but sometimes such tools do
[16:58:45] <Jymmm> But those 14" scissors are actually great for cutting paper/fabric
[16:58:53] <LeelooMinai> Not completely crappy ones, but those decent ones
[17:09:04] <Deejay> gn8
[17:36:33] * JT-Shop notices that 5 o'clock has slipped by without notice
[17:41:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yep, means you have to work another 10 hours
[17:41:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: betcha won make that mistake again
[17:42:08] <Jymmm> a PERFECT dentist... 1 Star, 11 Reviews... http://www.yelp.com/biz/cyrus-m-akhbari-dmd-san-jose
[17:42:35] <Jymmm> (you cant give zero stars btw)
[17:56:30] <PetefromTn_> some of those reviews are kinda hilarious
[18:11:59] <_methods> hahah ftdi bricked my ft232
[18:12:09] <_methods> hooray for chinese knockoffsw
[18:28:29] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[18:51:13] <LeelooMinai> _methods: They can still be unbricked I think - you need to use moded driver that will accept id of 0 or something like that
[18:51:50] <LeelooMinai> Under linux preferably as it will be easier to do
[18:56:56] <fenugrec> http://www.minipwner.com/index.php/unbrickftdi000
[18:57:47] <_methods> i unbricked it already
[18:57:56] <_methods> yeah i used that minipwner one
[18:58:05] <_methods> just irritating
[18:58:15] <_methods> wasted 30 min before i figured out what was goin on
[18:58:29] <_methods> didn't look closesly at lsusb
[18:58:50] <_methods> once i looked at it and saw it showing up as a 7 port usb hub..............
[19:03:07] <ssi> hm
[19:07:45] <Jymmm> I have an 8 port hub
[19:08:16] <_methods> haha apparently i did too........
[19:08:21] <_methods> too bad it wasn't a hub
[19:08:32] <Jymmm> oh, what ws it
[19:08:39] <_methods> my usb to uart
[19:08:47] <Jymmm> lol
[19:09:07] <_methods> ftdi put out some drivers to brick fake ftdi232 chips
[19:09:17] <_methods> apparently mine was bootleg lol
[19:09:25] <Jymmm> nice, I herd about that
[19:10:18] <LeelooMinai> Under pressure they decided to just put warning in the future, no?
[19:11:52] <_methods> yeah
[19:11:56] <_methods> they reversed it i guess
[19:12:05] <_methods> and i think they only did it to windows drivers
[19:12:18] <_methods> apparently i plugged mine into one of my windows boxes
[19:12:19] <_methods> oops
[19:17:17] <Connor> _methods: Yea, they reversed it like a day after they released it.
[19:17:52] <_methods> not on mine lol
[19:18:09] <fenugrec> took a bit longer than that I think... like a week. I laughed and laughed when I heard of the mess they got themselves in. What a stupid move
[19:18:16] <_methods> but that's ok i just reversed it
[19:25:37] <PetefromTn_> This is one of the MANY times on this chat where I don't know what the hell everyone is talking about....sigh
[19:26:42] <ssi> lol
[19:27:29] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: FTDI is a maker of popular USB<->serial chips. Chinese cloned them and the clones ended up in many devices. Then FTDI decided to change their drivers so when they detect cloned chips they disable them semi-permanently. As you can expect that pissed many people off, since often the clones manged to get into boards people would buy without having any idea there are clones on there:)
[19:27:32] <fenugrec> https://startpage.com/do/search?q=ftdi+brick
[19:28:13] <PetefromTn_> Damn that bites for the users.
[19:28:16] <fenugrec> PetefromTn_ all that shit hit the fan in september so it's not "old old" news yet
[19:28:45] <PetefromTn_> I know it would piss me off if my electronic goodness died because some jackhole wrote a script to brick it LOL
[19:29:42] <LeelooMinai> Only in this case it's not a script but official Windows driver. Even Microsoft did not really like that:)
[19:30:11] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[19:30:19] <LeelooMinai> No wonder, since people may say "Microsoft updata bricked my hardware!"
[19:30:42] <PetefromTn_> I can understand their pissed that they were losing their product but annoying paying customers is NOT the way to retaliate.
[19:31:21] <PCW> These are non-paying customers
[19:31:59] <LeelooMinai> Well, depens - apparently fake chips managed to get into even places like DigiKey - imagine that.
[19:32:05] <Rab> The customers may have thought they paid, that's the distinction.
[19:32:45] <LeelooMinai> Also, many people have not a clue what chips there are on boards - they just buy something and are not experts on what can be fake or not on there.
[19:33:05] <PCW> Bricking is a bit extreme, an obnoxios warning would be about right
[19:33:32] <LeelooMinai> Yes, they could just put a message with warning. Silent bricking is just evil.
[19:33:35] <PetefromTn_> I sure as hell have ZERO idea what chips or parts or whatever is in my electronics devices. Take my 7i77 for instance...LOL
[19:34:29] <fenugrec> like eevblog said, it's not hurting the cloners - those guys already made their sale. What did FTDI expect ? that no one would ever figure out what was happening ? incredible
[19:34:31] <LeelooMinai> I mean suddenly things do not work and you have zero idea what's going on, unless you are some strange werido that talks on IRC about electronics...o, wait...
[19:35:59] <PCW> Well if you buy bottom of the barrel Chinese usb adapters to a certain extent you deserve it
[19:36:27] <LeelooMinai> Or maybe you are poor and cannot affford anything else:)
[19:36:44] <PCW> so its OK to steal?
[19:36:58] <LeelooMinai> It's not the buyers who steal...
[19:37:18] <PCW> Sure it is
[19:37:26] <LeelooMinai> You think those sellers write "Warning, this board contains cloned chips!" :)
[19:37:26] <PetefromTn_> how ya figure?
[19:37:50] <fenugrec> PCW: I hear a looot of clone junk got inside the official distro channels, so...
[19:37:54] <PCW> they bought cheap and are using FTDIs IP
[19:38:03] <PCW> =stole
[19:38:13] <LeelooMinai> They bought "USB to serial" board
[19:38:26] <LeelooMinai> Compatible with FTDI:)
[19:39:01] <PCW> using FTDIs drivers since hey could make one work themselves
[19:39:09] <PCW> could not
[19:39:29] <LeelooMinai> Well, you put the board into PC and the drivers load themselves...
[19:39:40] <LeelooMinai> Sounds good:)
[19:39:55] <Rab> There's another important point: everything the cloners are doing is 100% legal in most western nations with the possible exception of stamping the FTDI trademark on top of the chip.
[19:40:52] <Rab> Using the driver might be ethically shady, and FTDI offers it under restrictive licensing terms...but you don't agree to those when it's installed via Windows Update.
[19:41:00] <PCW> I doubt it (look at the FTDI driver licence)
[19:41:37] <Rab> And US courts at least have held clickwrap licenses to be unenforceable AFAIK.
[19:43:02] <PCW> I dont think so (true at one time, not so much anymore)
[19:44:20] <LeelooMinai> PCW: I wonder what you would say if by accident you had some clones in your mesa boards and one they boom, they would all stop warking:)
[19:44:40] <Rab> So there's a plausible scenario where you could buy a chip from an overseas vendor that emulates an FT232 (legal), announces itself with the FT232 USB vid/pid (totally legal), uses the driver (I claim 100% legal, receptive to contrary evidence), but doesn't include the physical trademarked logo. FTDI has no legal title to this hardware, and certainly has no business modifying it.
[19:45:23] <PCW> No but they could make their driver incompatible
[19:45:37] <fenugrec> incompatible != bricking
[19:45:47] <LeelooMinai> They flashed the clones and disabled them...
[19:45:55] <fenugrec> I'm all for FTDI preventing their driver from working with recognized clones
[19:46:01] <PCW> Surem that a bit over the top
[19:46:20] <fenugrec> "write your own drivers, bunch of freeloaders" etc etc
[19:46:42] <PCW> I agree they should not have changed anything in the devices
[19:46:43] <fenugrec> anyway. At least it's "semi-permanent"
[19:46:56] <LeelooMinai> Not for people that are not tech savvy
[19:47:48] <LeelooMinai> imho Chinese should sue FTDI now for disabling their clones:p
[19:48:05] <fenugrec> Probably quite complex for a lot of people, but not impossible... I guess the typical reflex would be to refer to the vendor/mfg who should be aware of the FTDI situation and help the customer
[19:50:38] <LeelooMinai> btw, I have this lattice fpga board - totally legitimate from Lattice and 2 days ago it stopped working with Lattice software. It has also FTDI to comunicate over USB. Had to disable it and use external programmer. Not sure what happened there, but I am a bit scared of FTDI chips now:)
[19:51:14] <fenugrec> haha nice
[19:51:30] <PCW> We have used may thousands and have never had an issue (nor do we buy from unknown vendors)
[19:52:11] <LeelooMinai> PCW: Just wait untile they make even better clones and you get ones by accident:)
[19:52:51] <PCW> Unlikely (and this will make people that sold those close as real more careful)
[19:53:00] <PCW> clones
[19:53:09] <LeelooMinai> I bet undetectable ones are already in the "development"
[20:02:07] <PCW> well if they use FTDI VID thats plain illegal
[20:04:33] <_methods> i definitely got what i deserved i mean paying $3 for a ft232 usb to uart board when the ft232R alone costs 3x that much
[20:04:43] <_methods> i know that thing was not legit
[20:05:02] <_methods> but man $3
[20:05:28] <_methods> i paid for it with an hour of my life now
[20:05:44] <mozmck> probably worth more than $3
[20:07:08] <PCW> so FTDI just fixed the clones VID
[20:07:41] <_methods> yeah
[20:08:16] <LeelooMinai> Well, they took their own, fine, but who allowed them to put 0 in there? :)
[20:08:30] <mozmck> Their chips are expensive in my opinion. An ARM cortex with USB, driver code (or even drivers built in ROM), examples, and loads of processing power costs about the same.
[20:08:47] <PCW> Should they buy a VID for the cloners?
[20:08:49] <LeelooMinai> mozmck: You are kidding? It costs 1/3
[20:09:30] <LeelooMinai> I can buy USB ARM for $2.6
[20:09:42] <PCW> FTDI is much smaller than almost any ARM supplier
[20:09:56] <Rab> PCW, it's not illegal to use FTDI's VID.
[20:10:31] <PCW> How so? FTDI must pay for it
[20:10:49] <PCW> do the cloners?
[20:11:04] <mozmck> not kidding at all, we switched from an FTDI chip costing around $3, to an LPC ARM cortex-m3 costing about the same, but gained a lot in functionality etc.
[20:11:17] <Rab> A VID is a number. It's not copyrightable. The USB organization allocates the numbers to paying vendors, but that's a private agreement with no force of law.
[20:12:47] <Rab> If you don't have an agreement with usb.org, you can use any VID/PID you want. (You are not allowed to say your product is USB compliant or use the USB logo without an agreement, however.)
[20:14:09] <PCW> Right which I'm sure all of the affected devices did
[20:15:15] <Rab> But can you provide any evidence of that?
[20:17:34] <Rab> And even if a vendor did, they are only liable for trademark infringement against USB Implementers Forum, Inc. That has nothing to do with use of the VID/PID, or FTDI.
[20:18:34] <Rab> (And only liable in countries which respect trademark infringement, ha ha.)
[20:18:49] <PCW> right ruling out China
[20:19:53] <Rab> Yep! So they're scot free. Maybe if there was a western legal judgement, eBay would pull the listing and they'd have to list it again without the trademarks. Maybe.
[20:21:31] <mozmck> We should just levy an import tax on all items from China :)
[20:21:56] <_methods> i'd never buy that crap for anything real
[20:22:04] <_methods> i just buy it for screwin around in the garage
[20:22:27] <_methods> you end up payin for it with wasted time
[20:22:46] <_methods> i got a couple of those saleae logic clones
[20:22:51] <Rab> The chinese government might just subsidize the tax, the way they subsidize shipping to keep eating the western market.
[20:22:51] <_methods> still never got them working yet
[20:22:57] <PCW> Since FTDI just set the VID to 0 it did not brick the chips, it just made them unsupported by the FTDI driver
[20:23:22] <Rab> Really? I have a few different Saleae knock-offs and they all work fine.
[20:23:22] <_methods> yea
[20:23:29] <_methods> well i'm an idiot
[20:23:39] <_methods> so that might have something to do wtih them not working
[20:23:59] <mozmck> I bet the chinese could change their clones to not allow the VID to be changed...
[20:24:22] <mozmck> I have a real Saleae logic, and it is quite handy.
[20:24:25] <LeelooMinai> No need for that - they just need to make them not-detectable.
[20:24:59] <Rab> PCW, 0 is unsupported as a valid VID in mainstream operating systems. (Although Linux was recently patched for that.) So setting VID to 0 effectively prevents the OS from loading any driver, not just FTDI's.
[20:25:42] <LeelooMinai> As I said, getting their VID out - ok, but putting 0 in there - not ok:)
[20:26:12] <_methods> it actually set it to something besides 0
[20:26:21] <_methods> it made it look like a 7port usb hub for me
[20:26:37] <Rab> _methods, are you trying to use the Saleae software? I've been using sigrok: http://sigrok.org
[20:26:46] <_methods> yeah i tried sigrok
[20:26:57] <_methods> i must have screwed something up setting it up
[20:27:20] <LeelooMinai> I have Saleae clones too. One of them (16) does not yet work in Sigrok, but they did some work on it when I ask them in the channel.
[20:27:28] <_methods> i honestly have no business using a logic analyzer it's so far beyond my capabilities lol
[20:27:47] <_methods> i'm like a monkey with a shotgun
[20:27:57] <LeelooMinai> _methods: I would disagree - even beginners can take advantage of it.
[20:28:16] <_methods> well i try lol
[20:28:19] <LeelooMinai> It's pretty simple to use in comparison to, say, oscilloscope.
[20:28:40] <_methods> yeah i need to get one of those
[20:28:49] <PetefromTn_> I would be better off with the shotgun
[20:28:51] <_methods> one day
[20:28:53] <LeelooMinai> You just capture stream of 1s/0s and look at them - how difficult is that:)
[20:29:04] <Rab> Like a scope, it can also simplify complex troubleshooting tremendously.
[20:29:29] <_methods> i make the trouble just fine
[20:29:37] <_methods> the shooting part is what eludes me
[20:31:16] <LeelooMinai> I bought a legitimate LA recently too (which is strange for me,): dslogic. It was kickstarted once and now they sell them for $99 - it has much better specs that comparable Saleae and works with their own version of Sigrok.
[20:31:56] <LeelooMinai> http://www.dreamsourcelab.com/dslogic.html
[20:32:20] <mozmck> I think if I get another one, I'll go for this: http://www.lpcware.com/content/project/Mixed-Signal-Logic-Analyzer-Oscilloscope-Lab-Tool-Solution
[20:32:33] <LeelooMinai> The oscilloscope part is separate - but I already have oscilloscope so don't need it.
[20:32:52] <mozmck> Looks like $129 total: www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Embedded-Artists/EA-XPR-202
[20:33:37] <PetefromTn_> careful it might have chinese chips in it ;)
[20:33:49] <Rab> mozmck, link not working.
[20:34:18] <mozmck> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Embedded-Artists/EA-XPR-202/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduigvSqqTLPAtr5BktBS9jL3wRzij%252bgJii1ysK5uyGxSiQ%3d%3d
[20:34:25] <mozmck> try that
[20:34:28] <Rab> Mouser links contain all this bizarre garbage, stripping it out kills the URL.
[20:34:34] <Rab> Works!
[20:34:35] <LeelooMinai> mozmck: What is this - looks like some weird shield-like addon for something else?
[20:34:37] <mozmck> Looks like
[20:35:50] <mozmck> Basically a dev board, that attaches to their jtag tool
[20:36:17] <mozmck> It says the Link2 board is included with the Labtool.
[20:37:39] <mozmck> http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/app/labtool.php
[20:38:00] <LeelooMinai> Looks interesting, but I don't think it can do sampling rates of that dslogic one
[20:38:26] <fenugrec> 6Mhz BW... not huge
[20:39:17] <LeelooMinai> Right, that's not even close
[20:40:03] <mozmck> No, but for the price it looks like a handy tool for a lot of uses. I have a real scope for everything else.
[20:40:13] <mozmck> The dslogic does look interesting.
[20:40:38] <mozmck> Is the software pretty good?
[20:40:50] <LeelooMinai> It's sigrok modified by them/forked
[20:41:05] <LeelooMinai> But eventually the main sigrok should support it too
[20:41:23] <cox> I ordered this, Open hardware worth a look https://www.lab-nation.com/
[20:41:31] <mozmck> I haven't used sigrok, so I don't really know much about it.
[20:42:26] <mozmck> the Saleae logic software is a bit buggy
[20:42:35] <LeelooMinai> mozmck: Well, it's pretty much the only reasonable open-source LA/signal GUI right now. Not perfect yet, but seems people are working on it activelly and it has already many decoders and features
[20:43:16] <LeelooMinai> Saleae software looks nice, but progresses slow and some features were not there for ages - like advanced triggering
[20:43:37] <mozmck> that labtool has open-source software as well: https://github.com/embeddedartists/labtool I don't know anything about it though.
[20:43:47] <LeelooMinai> So kind of a lot of bling, but not much progress overall:)
[20:44:46] <mozmck> Seems like. I bought it several years ago because it supported linux, and I couldn't find anything else at the time that did.
[20:45:57] <LeelooMinai> I just bought $8 clones of Saleae and used the original software
[20:47:18] <mozmck> cox: have you gotten that smartscope yet? looks interesting.
[20:47:58] <LeelooMinai> I don't think they even sell it yet (?)
[20:51:45] <mozmck> ugh, requires Mono for the software.
[20:52:15] <CaptHindsight> !seen zeeshan
[20:52:16] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2014-12-01 21:54:25GMT 04:37:52 ago, saying damn
[20:53:12] <PetefromTn_> cool
[20:53:43] <CaptHindsight> !seen PetefromTn_
[20:53:44] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc 2014-12-02 02:33:13GMT 00:00:32 ago, saying cool
[20:54:13] <PetefromTn_> heh
[20:54:25] <PetefromTn_> oh the simple things that amuse me
[20:54:53] <_methods> !search bots are gay
[20:55:05] <_methods> heheh
[20:55:09] <_methods> !weather
[20:55:28] <CaptHindsight> this one might be transgender
[20:55:42] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a good netfix reccomend? Wanna watch something cool while I work on my prototype drawing here heh
[20:55:53] <_methods> black mirror is on netflix now
[20:56:00] <PetefromTn_> never heard of it.
[20:56:16] <_methods> it's like twilight zone kida
[20:56:18] <_methods> kinda
[20:56:32] <_methods> watch the white bear? i think
[20:56:51] <_methods> yeah white bear
[20:57:25] <PetefromTn_> just watched Star Trek into darkness..
[20:57:29] <PetefromTn_> awesome movie
[20:58:12] <PetefromTn_> is that agents of shield any good or just lotsa hype?
[20:58:37] <_methods> a guy at work is always tryin to get me to watch it
[20:58:40] <_methods> he says it's great
[20:58:55] <_methods> but i have no idea
[20:58:57] <PetefromTn_> ya know what I thought was really good. Anthony Bourdain's series..
[20:59:13] <_methods> yeah if you like that you might like mind of a chef
[20:59:40] <PetefromTn_> I just liked how he went to all these different places and ate native food that you can't get at the resorts etc.
[21:00:12] <_methods> yeah mind of a chef is like that
[21:00:31] <PetefromTn_> most of the episodes he tried to eat some street food and also eat in some upscale part of the community. Really interesting
[21:01:26] <PetefromTn_> watched the cable guy yesterday. Jim Carey cracks me up in that one.
[21:02:33] <_methods> i watched that dawn of the planet of the apes yesterday
[21:02:35] <_methods> was pretty good
[21:02:58] <PetefromTn_> been trying to design a rail to complement my RWS54 rifle. I have built several different picatinny rails now but this one has got me stumped LOL
[21:03:08] <PetefromTn_> probably because it is MY rail for my rifle
[21:03:20] <PetefromTn_> is that the old planet of the apes?
[21:03:33] <_methods> no the new one
[21:03:41] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah its good huh
[21:03:46] <PetefromTn_> have not seen it
[21:03:46] <_methods> yeah
[21:03:59] <PetefromTn_> ya know what sucks
[21:04:04] <_methods> ?
[21:04:07] <PetefromTn_> on my blu ray player
[21:04:11] <PetefromTn_> I have netflix
[21:04:20] <PetefromTn_> and on my flatscreen it came with netfix
[21:04:30] <PetefromTn_> but only on the blu ray player can you search
[21:04:43] <PetefromTn_> well at least I have not figured out how to search on the flatscreen
[21:04:57] <PetefromTn_> never seen anything that even remotely looked like a search
[21:05:10] <PetefromTn_> so I just do it online on the laptop or my cell and add it to the que
[21:05:15] <_methods> yeah
[21:05:28] <_methods> i just chromecast it
[21:05:34] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:05:38] <_methods> that way i can search on my phone or tablet
[21:05:55] <_methods> or laptop
[21:06:50] <PetefromTn_> its about time to watch Christma vacation and THe Christmas Story...over and over again hehehe
[21:07:06] <_methods> oh thx for reminding me
[21:07:14] <_methods> xmas present for the wife
[21:07:22] <_methods> she's a huge christmas story junkie
[21:07:22] <PetefromTn_> classics
[21:07:38] <_methods> they had a leg lamp ugly xmas sweater on teefury
[21:08:04] <PetefromTn_> I love the father in that movie he was hilarious...
[21:08:27] <_methods> http://www.teefury.com/ugly-sweaters
[21:08:30] <PetefromTn_> sonsabitchin' bumpasses!!!
[21:11:51] <PetefromTn_> can't find dawn of the planet of the apes
[21:12:50] <_methods> oh i think it comes out tomorrow
[21:13:46] <PetefromTn_> damn
[21:14:02] <PetefromTn_> looks like Congo it is....
[21:14:23] <_methods> wow old school lol
[21:14:24] <PetefromTn_> did you decide if you are gonna get that 7x12
[21:14:40] <PetefromTn_> really how old is it.
[21:14:47] <PetefromTn_> don't think I ever saw it.
[21:14:54] <_methods> i need to finish my x2 build lol
[21:15:11] <_methods> i was just wondering if it was worth grabbin the 7x12 while it was on sale
[21:15:22] <PetefromTn_> then just lay it on its side and voila you got the 7x12 LOL
[21:15:42] <_methods> heheh
[21:16:09] <PetefromTn_> I saw recently somewhere someone actually took the table from an X2 or something and put it on a lathe to have a LONG cross slide travel
[21:16:17] <PetefromTn_> to allow a gang tool setup easeir
[21:16:19] <PetefromTn_> easier
[21:16:27] <PetefromTn_> that is not a terrible idea actually
[21:16:33] <roycroft> are you talking about a 7x12 bandsaw?
[21:16:39] <PetefromTn_> lathe
[21:16:41] <roycroft> oh
[21:16:46] <_methods> nah harbor fright
[21:16:54] <roycroft> hf have a 7x12 bandsaw
[21:17:04] <roycroft> i thought they only had a 7x10 lathe though
[21:17:08] <PetefromTn_> I have an 7x12 bandsaw
[21:17:10] <_methods> maybe it is
[21:17:10] <roycroft> which is really more like a 7x8
[21:17:12] <PetefromTn_> it is really nice
[21:17:21] <roycroft> yes, i have one
[21:17:25] <_methods> sounds like a scroll saw lol
[21:17:31] <roycroft> it's way way way better than my old 4x6
[21:20:14] <Connor> jdh: You there ?
[21:20:50] <Connor> PetefromTn_: You need to watch The Arrow series..
[21:21:18] <PetefromTn_> I know you said it is good
[21:21:43] <PetefromTn_> I did not like superman tv show whatever that was called
[21:21:54] <PetefromTn_> seemed like you had to wait a long time for any real action
[21:21:57] <jdh> hey... got the box, looks great!
[21:21:58] <PetefromTn_> is it like that?
[21:22:12] <Connor> I think it is.. I watched all the episodes on Netflix, then watched this season from CW Online.
[21:22:50] <Connor> PetefromTn_: No. The First episode is a tad like that because it has to introduce the back story.
[21:23:04] <Connor> jdh: Good deal.
[21:23:10] <PetefromTn_> what box?
[21:23:17] <Connor> PetefromTn_: He got his Z mount
[21:23:24] <PetefromTn_> oh the one we made
[21:23:27] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[21:23:29] <Connor> yea.
[21:23:29] <jdh> you made it on pete's machin?
[21:24:11] <jdh> Now I just have to talk myself into taking the head off again
[21:24:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah we did that long weekend he was here
[21:24:34] <PetefromTn_> not my best programming job but it looked like it should work
[21:24:49] <jdh> looks great to me.
[21:24:51] <Connor> The first one.. we had that strange too path mishap..
[21:25:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah still not sure what happened.
[21:25:15] <jdh> and a little more rigid than mine... it's made out of 4 pieces of 0.375" delrin bolted together
[21:25:52] <PetefromTn_> fer sure
[21:26:37] <Connor> I had to adjust the set screws to get the Z mount correctly positioned.. which is why I guess they're there.. huh?
[21:27:04] <jdh> what set screws?
[21:27:39] <Connor> 2 set screws above and below the mount slot.
[21:28:13] <Connor> on the Z saddle.
[21:28:29] <PetefromTn_> cannot remember the damn video I saw where they used a long travel mill table on a lathe cross slide
[21:28:31] <jdh> hmm... don't rememer those
[21:28:39] <jdh> but, it's been a couple years?
[21:29:54] <Connor> jdh: Yea.. I forgot about them until I took it apart. they allow you to adjust the depth of the Z mount.. (and the forward/backward pitch) while the bolts through the slot let you adjust the left and right position..
[21:30:22] <PetefromTn_> so does that mean it worked or not hehe
[21:30:32] <jdh> I still don't recall those.
[21:30:48] <jdh> I think mine is a little different than yours though.
[21:31:47] <jdh> did yours have the 3 bolt mod already done?
[21:31:53] <Connor> No.
[21:32:00] <jdh> and does yours have the hole drilled for the spindle lock?
[21:32:06] <Connor> No.
[21:32:51] <Connor> http://imageshack.us/a/img803/306/dsc0125ous.jpg
[21:32:57] <Connor> look at that picture..
[21:33:15] <Connor> you see the holes above and below the slot on the Z saddle ?
[21:33:26] <Connor> that's what I'm talking about.. set screws in there.
[21:33:46] <_methods> did you scrape that?
[21:33:49] <jdh> heh... still doesn't ring any bells.
[21:34:15] <Connor> _methods: Not mine.. just searched to find a picture showing what I was talking about. :)
[21:34:20] <_methods> ahhh
[21:34:36] <_methods> well that z plate is scraped
[21:34:38] <_methods> crazy
[21:35:01] <jdh> nothign but the finest chinese hand scraped goodness
[21:35:04] <Connor> No. It's not.. it's cosmetic.
[21:35:06] <_methods> right
[21:35:30] <_methods> cosmetic scraping lol
[21:35:57] <Connor> http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq295/mrcodewiz/metalworking/G0704/G0704%20CNC%20Conversion/Photos/ZBracket4.jpg
[21:36:04] <Connor> I like the design of this Z mount.
[21:36:12] <Connor> very similar to the design originally in the mill.
[21:36:27] <jdh> teh motor mount or the ballnut mount?
[21:36:29] <Connor> Allows for adjusting the Z
[21:36:49] <jdh> have you seen the two-part Z ballnut mounts?
[21:37:06] <Connor> Just the one I showed the picture off.
[21:37:08] <Connor> of.
[21:38:15] <Connor> http://s457.photobucket.com/user/mrcodewiz/media/metalworking/G0704/G0704%20CNC%20Conversion/Photos/XBallnutBracket1.jpg.html
[21:38:25] <Connor> The Z looks better than hoss's design too.
[21:39:21] <PetefromTn_> You gotta be kiddin' me BETTER than Hoss's design??? LOL
[21:39:51] <Connor> PetefromTn_: *smack* I don't think Hoss walks on water.. geez..
[21:39:54] <jdh> yeah, I like the Z. Allows you to insert the ballscrew easily.
[21:40:08] <jdh> have you put yours together?
[21:40:28] <jdh> did you have to put the ballnut mount in the column then feed the screw/nut into it?
[21:40:44] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:40:53] <Connor> I had to use long h-sockets to install the bolts AFTER the screw was inserted into the column.. was a freaking PITA
[21:41:32] <Connor> a 2 part design would have been nicer.
[21:41:39] <jdh> I had to do that with my delrin one. And put nuts on teh bottom
[21:42:02] <jdh> I dropped a bunch of them. Still in there I think.
[21:42:38] <Connor> bit the z mount in.. put the screw and ballnut into the mount.. use long allen wrench or scoket-driven hex drivers to install the bolts.
[21:43:42] <Connor> I think either my Z is slightly bent, or the shaft isn't machined super concentric with the screw..
[21:43:47] <jdh> anyone have any stainless BHCS M5x20mm
[21:44:16] <Connor> I need to take it apart to install the other bearing.. going to try to give it the table test and see..
[21:45:34] <jdh> did they send you a new one?
[21:45:50] <Connor> I've not complained yet.. I'm going to double check it.
[21:46:17] <jdh> I got mine from VXB via amazon. They were cheaper their than straight from bxb
[21:46:32] <Connor> oh wait. the baring? yes.
[21:46:45] <Connor> They sent it to me UPS 1 day.
[21:47:22] <jdh> cool
[21:48:36] <Connor> Kinda stuck at this point.. can't do too much more till I get back over to Pete's and hog out the base and mill the groves in the saddle.
[21:49:00] <jdh> got a chisel?
[21:49:31] <Connor> Umm.. just the ones for wood work... why ?
[21:50:31] <jdh> you don't need a mill for that. Just a chisel.
[21:51:07] <jdh> I bought an X2 to do mine
[21:51:08] <Connor> No.. I need to mill it out.. I have to take out a bit of material.. I'm doing extended Y travel.
[21:51:15] <jdh> oh yeah
[21:51:38] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN105S9-Curved-105-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00L403O8U/ref=sr_1_1?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1417483155&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+tv
[21:51:57] <jdh> I'd feel obligated to watch teevee if I got that.
[21:52:22] <Connor> going to run a profile around the inside edge of the grove on the base.. and open it length wise.. and clean up the edges.. (its' tapered)
[21:52:54] <jdh> I should take mine apart when I do the Z mount. I'm losing a little Y travel
[21:53:18] <Connor> I should be able to get 9.5" Y travel when done.
[21:53:51] <jdh> I'd like to do the block extension thing just to get the space back from my huge vise
[21:55:00] <Connor> yea... kinda sucks to loose that much travel just to have the vise mounted on the center groove.
[21:59:52] <XXCoder> loose or lose?
[22:03:03] <jdh> either would suck.
[22:06:25] <XXCoder> wonder if theres good small vice
[22:06:34] <XXCoder> flat type to hold stuff while drill or something
[22:06:43] <XXCoder> like kurt but not so pricy
[22:21:13] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2014-12-human-eye-invisible-infrared.html
[22:27:38] <skunkworks> sure - if I shine the 1kw laser in my eye - I sense it!
[22:30:27] <pcw_home> The near infrared GaAs lasers always seemed dimly visable to me as a deep red
[22:31:39] <Connor> XXCoder: I want to get this vise. http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=multicat_cnc_vise
[22:32:10] <XXCoder> pretty expensive but not kurt expensive
[22:32:19] <XXCoder> kurt hurts wallet
[22:32:28] <Connor> Not that much more than the Shars 5" I got.
[22:32:41] <Connor> Wish they listed the specs on it.
[22:36:44] <XXCoder> oh well
[22:36:57] <XXCoder> I wonder how easy it for people to make accurate vices
[22:39:19] <Tom_itx> pretty easy if you're Mr. Kurt
[22:56:53] <Connor> I think I'll make some soft jaws or order some from http://monsterjaws.com/ for it..
[22:59:29] <zeeshan> my brain isnt working
[22:59:31] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/2y3YcWT.png
[22:59:39] <zeeshan> how the heck do i ensure the green block
[22:59:43] <zeeshan> rotates relative to the grey block
[22:59:56] <zeeshan> even though a bolt is holding em together
[23:00:04] <zeeshan> usually how ive done it in the past is used a double nut
[23:00:06] <zeeshan> or a spacer
[23:00:17] <zeeshan> but im limited in space.
[23:00:37] <Connor> wouldn't you use a bolt with a shoulder on it...
[23:00:37] <zeeshan> should i use a needle thrust bearing? :P
[23:01:04] <Connor> or a low profile thrust bearing.
[23:01:07] <Connor> what is that for ?
[23:01:11] <zeeshan> okay so i use a shoulder bolt
[23:01:19] <zeeshan> that ensures it rotates nicely
[23:01:42] <zeeshan> but it'll still try to force the two pieces to lock
[23:01:45] <zeeshan> unless i space it somehow?
[23:01:49] <zeeshan> connor jig for school
[23:02:30] <zeeshan> i gotta somehow make sure
[23:02:33] <zeeshan> when i tighten the bolt down
[23:02:40] <zeeshan> its washer face doesnt engage with the grey block
[23:02:47] <Connor> What I mean by shoulder bolt.. is one with limited amount of threads, then it's a tad larger.. so that the bolt STOPS and can't thread in any further.
[23:02:54] <zeeshan> yea
[23:03:16] <Connor> leaving a bit of slop
[23:03:40] <Connor> but, I'm not sure what sort of mechanical fit your looking for...
[23:04:13] <Connor> so, you may need to go with thrust bearing if you want it to be a nice tight fit.. but..that may cause issues with your d-tent.
[23:04:32] <zeeshan> yea
[23:04:40] <zeeshan> maybe i can use a 10 thou thrust washer
[23:04:41] <zeeshan> i have some
[23:04:48] <zeeshan> theyre extremely thin
[23:07:21] <zeeshan> thanks connor
[23:07:29] <zeeshan> brain really wasnt working. shoulder bolt was what i needed
[23:09:43] <toastydeath> also called a stripper bolt
[23:09:53] <toastydeath> </trivia>
[23:10:16] <zeeshan> what a slut
[23:15:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/0jYhJFt.png
[23:15:58] <zeeshan> looks much better
[23:23:58] <XXCoder> interesting http://miito.de/
[23:51:55] <tjtr33> XXCoder, hmm when i get back home, im goona put a cup of water on my Mr. Induction stove and stand a big nail in the cup :)
[23:52:23] <XXCoder> yummy added minerials and amazin iron oxide flovor
[23:52:37] <XXCoder> little industry special flavor package including oil
[23:53:59] <tjtr33> maybe some series of stainless thats magnetic
[23:54:43] <toastydeath> it's nothing to do with that - it's all eddy current
[23:55:37] <tjtr33> nothing to do with a magnetic field?, all eddy current? huh? the designers say its induction
[23:55:39] <toastydeath> doesn't have to be magnetic, just has to be a) not diamagnetic, and b) absorbs well at the frequency
[23:55:49] <toastydeath> that the tank circuit resonates at
[23:56:46] <toastydeath> induction is eddy current driven, which doesn't rely on materials being ferromagnetic - paramagnetism is sufficient
[23:56:59] <toastydeath> (obviously the eddy currents are in response to a magnetic field
[23:57:31] <ssi> wow that was a lot of work
[23:57:39] <tjtr33> right not magnetic itself, correct, but reacts to magnetic field, i stand correctified