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[00:00:22] <Computer_Barf> hey guize
[00:00:54] <Aero-Tec> -BLANK in name loaded fine
[00:01:09] <Aero-Tec> but should have been -STOCK
[00:01:15] <Aero-Tec> no error
[00:01:39] <Computer_Barf> what are you talking ubout?
[00:01:52] <Aero-Tec> but with new version I needed to change it to _STOCK
[00:02:20] <Aero-Tec> a problem I was having
[00:02:26] <Computer_Barf> with?
[00:03:38] <Aero-Tec> thought #<TEST-1> WAS THE SAME AS #<TEST_1>
[00:03:52] <Aero-Tec> AS IT TURNS OUT IT IS NOT
[00:03:55] <Aero-Tec> OOPA
[00:04:00] <Aero-Tec> oops
[00:04:39] <Aero-Tec> could have had some very bad stuff happen
[00:06:04] <Aero-Tec> should say using - instead of _ was OK but I fined out it is not OK
[00:07:00] <Aero-Tec> missed the "I thought"
[00:50:45] <Connor> OKay. Z-Axis conversion from acme to ballscrew done for the most part. I just need to replace the top bearing with a AC vs the original thrust bearing when the replacement arrives. Had to cut the standoff's from 2.5" to 2.1"
[00:51:08] <Connor> I've yet to test it under stepper power.. I'll do that after the AC bearing is installed.
[00:52:16] <Connor> Hey guys, which would you get.. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-Pc-Socket-Rail-Set-68101.html or http://www.harborfreight.com/3-pc-steel-socket-rail-set-68103.html
[00:52:43] <Connor> pricing being not being the determining factor.. not that the price is that much different..
[01:02:52] <toastydeath> Connor, I've never had success with those
[01:03:04] <toastydeath> i'd get a metal container w/ lid
[01:03:10] <Connor> Either style? Plastic or Metal ?
[01:03:15] <toastydeath> i prefer metal
[01:03:18] <toastydeath> but plastic works
[01:03:20] <toastydeath> (until it breaks)
[01:03:40] <Connor> Plastic ones got higher reviews than metal ones oddly enough.
[01:04:28] <toastydeath> on HF? doesn't surprise me
[01:04:34] <Connor> Yes.
[01:04:46] <toastydeath> I'd honestly go somewhere else to buy that kind of thing
[01:04:56] <toastydeath> anything I plan on keeping/using routinely I don't get at HF
[01:05:10] <toastydeath> if it's something i need but very infrequently, HF all the way
[01:05:20] <toastydeath> if it breaks, then i know i use it enough to warrant getting something better
[01:06:10] <Connor> They have lifetime warranty. :) and they're not going to be abused.. just to keep my new alen sockets from being loose.
[01:21:13] <cathode> i made my own holder for my hole saw bits i got
[01:21:39] <cathode> although for a bunch of socket drivers ... buying one would be more economical than making your own
[01:21:40] <cathode> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zb5pessvrqv4k6s/2014-11-21%2018.33.10.jpg?dl=0
[01:22:06] <cathode> my plan is to make a drawer unit to put next to my drill press with drawers that hold all of my drilling instruments
[02:20:22] <Deejay> moin
[02:21:29] <unfy> o/
[02:37:10] <Deejay> \o/
[02:37:34] <syyl> \o
[02:40:00] <Deejay> as a german, i would be careful using the right arm ;)
[02:40:08] <syyl> thats the left arm
[02:40:14] <syyl> view from behind
[02:40:30] <syyl> ;)
[02:41:11] <Deejay> ^^
[02:45:50] <unfy> o\ ? facepalm ?
[02:48:01] <syyl> :D
[02:48:04] <syyl> .o.
[02:48:10] <syyl> lost his arms
[02:49:33] <unfy> gonna try bootable cd in a few systems to check timings etc. electronics should all be here by wednesday \o/
[02:52:57] <Deejay> yay
[04:31:41] <Swapper> Hi, i have a question regarding rigid tapping and if its a requierment to have a index pulse on the spindle compared to have it on the motor, i have a encoder + index on the motor but a belt reduction 1,75 ratio.
[04:32:25] <Swapper> i have previusly successfully rigid tapped when i had 1:1 rato, but i have now geared the spindle for more speed
[04:32:43] <Swapper> and im not shure if its going to work
[04:34:01] <rob_h> well it would work yes to answer the question but youd obvisly be the ratio out you say on pitch so youd not get the pitch you ask for
[04:34:43] <rob_h> if you had a mark on the spindle, i guess you could rescale the input back into linuxcnc to compensate for the ratio but mark pulse would give problems
[04:34:52] <archivist> so some maths required
[04:35:36] <archivist> rob_h, pics http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=ring+nut
[04:36:20] <rob_h> i guess it just egnoors the index after the first one it sees and follows A B channel so you can scale it.. not sure how you garuntee the same mark all the time?
[04:36:38] <rob_h> i guess if ur doing the hole once and dont want to peck tap it etc u can be fine
[04:38:02] <archivist> it is hard getting a bar price on the net, all the steel suppliers hide the prices
[04:38:22] <rob_h> thats becasue they want your phone number and take the last 6 digits
[04:38:44] <rob_h> ask them for britch steel and watch them tell you to F off haha
[04:38:58] <rob_h> becasue we have none
[04:41:46] <rob_h> id have to stand them up on the mill and machin the pegs on with no C axis on lathe
[04:42:49] <archivist> if you have indexing you should be able to do it in the sliding head
[04:43:10] <rob_h> every 15deg
[04:43:56] <archivist> I thought of another way yesterday, 15deg is ok needs 60 for the hex and 90 for the pegs
[04:44:56] <rob_h> yea your pegs are upstands so have to machine the metal away between them
[04:46:20] <archivist> yup can be done side or face just with side endmill needs more gcode ops
[04:47:10] <archivist> chines en8 3000$ a ton, I wonder what is costs over here
[04:47:21] <rob_h> en8 is cheap
[04:47:41] <rob_h> brought aload of 16T the other day
[04:47:44] <rob_h> 40lengths
[04:48:11] <Swapper> rob_h: But my speed output and so is scaled to show the spindle RPM, what input does g33.1 read from?
[04:48:17] <archivist> 32mm per part
[04:48:36] <rob_h> so scale the input to also show spindle RPM and not motor rpm
[04:48:47] <rob_h> input = encoder feedback
[04:49:23] <rob_h> 85ish from a bar
[04:49:29] <archivist> my hobbing machine is geared at both spindles :)
[04:49:48] <rob_h> we get 99% of steal from http://acentasteel.com/
[04:50:12] <rob_h> use to be macreadys steel
[04:50:17] <rob_h> now owned by tata
[04:50:40] <rob_h> most steel like EN8 etc will prob be spanish or other EU
[04:50:46] <rob_h> just ask for bright drawn
[04:50:50] <archivist> we used to use macready at the last day job
[04:51:14] <rob_h> even if you ask else where most of the suppliers go to macreadys steel
[04:52:23] <rob_h> ri better go do some work
[04:56:08] <Swapper> rob_h: the rpm scale is showing the spindle rpm
[04:56:14] <Swapper> not the motor rpm
[04:56:44] <Swapper> so it might work as is but the threading would not match up if i ran multiple passes?
[04:57:28] <Swapper> if the spindle is correctly scaled then the pitch should be right.
[04:57:36] <archivist> it likely not, use the right type of taps so you can do it in one pass
[04:57:48] <Swapper> yea i am
[04:58:02] <Swapper> multi pass tapping is not working to great on linuxcnc anyhow
[04:58:14] <Swapper> atleast not with my cam preprocessor
[04:58:30] <archivist> cam....
[04:58:46] <Tom_itx> could also be slop in an axis
[04:58:58] <Swapper> slop ?
[05:00:02] <archivist> backlash
[05:00:08] <archivist> lost motion
[05:00:14] <Tom_itx> ^^
[05:00:40] <Swapper> its not that i have a problem since i havent tested to do a rigid tap with the new belt configuration, only wanted to check before i start breaking taps
[05:00:53] <Swapper> i have minimal spindle backlash
[05:01:00] <Swapper> since its a HTD belt
[05:01:08] <Swapper> and a servomotor as spindle drive
[05:01:10] <Tom_itx> if you add the ratio from your spindle to the motor i see no reason it shouldn't work there
[05:01:44] <Tom_itx> it would be best to have the encoder off the spindle
[05:03:37] <Swapper> yea but since i have a realy good encoder on the servo with index it seems like a weerd way to solve it i
[05:04:01] <Swapper> i have a scaling factor in the config
[05:04:01] <Swapper> [SPINDLE_9]
[05:04:01] <Swapper> ENCODER_SCALE = 9102
[05:04:02] <Swapper> OUTPUT_SCALE = 9720
[05:06:40] <Swapper> it realy should only be a software problem as i see it, maybe that the index pulse will be off since its not per turn
[05:06:54] <Swapper> but even that should be able to be solved in software?
[05:07:24] <Swapper> But probably easily solved with a sensor on the spindle for index
[05:39:50] <miss0r> Hello people. I am constructing my own 5-axis cnc mill (mostly for engraving, but it should be able to handle soft materials for milling also). The B axis(tilting table) - I am wondering how many degrees it should be able to move from horizontal. i.e. is 90 degrees enough to do it like most mills or should it be more/less ? or is it completely individual?
[05:41:49] <archivist> depends on what you want to make
[05:42:44] <archivist> often I find things not reaching in some way or other
[05:42:47] <miss0r> Well, it started out with me being unable to make complete bevel gears on my 3-axis :)
[05:43:21] <archivist> bevel is a special case too
[05:43:22] <miss0r> if you were to build an all around mill, how many angles would make it capable of ?
[05:44:15] <archivist> note the funny A axis angle http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[05:45:14] <miss0r> that is pretty funny :)
[05:45:16] <archivist> I am considering a 6 axis setup for bevels
[05:45:59] <miss0r> I am buuilding something that uses the same princible as this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Rotational-Axis-/261300449135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cd6b86f6f
[05:46:12] <miss0r> only I want mine to keep within certain tolerances :)
[05:46:15] <archivist> or 7 as I would like to move the A in/out along that axis
[05:47:05] <archivist> the maths to generate bevels is hairy
[05:47:19] <miss0r> indeed. i've done some reading.
[05:47:44] <miss0r> my main problem is the material left "underneath" the gear teeth. I want to remove that :)
[05:48:05] <archivist> you can settle for the crude Brown and Sharpe method
[05:48:29] <miss0r> but seeing as I have no experience with 5-axis milling what so ever, I was hoping to get some pointers. I am planning to learn as I go with the mill :)
[05:48:56] <miss0r> I have no idea what that is
[05:50:29] <archivist> google brown sharpe bevel gear method and the text is available
[05:51:13] <archivist> needs standard spur gear milling cutters
[05:54:01] <miss0r> indeed.
[08:19:46] <lair82> Good Morning Gentlemen, I have a question, how do you go about starting the spindle from MDI, using G96 CSS, and have it act properly, ( speed up and slow down based on the movement of the X axis on a lathe)?
[08:21:37] <JT-Shop> can you enter all the G codes on one line? G96 M3 Sn
[08:21:54] <_methods> g96 is modal
[08:22:05] <_methods> he shouldn't have to put it all on one line
[08:22:27] <_methods> or is that a linuxcnc CSS thing?
[08:22:29] <JT-Shop> only to g97
[08:22:38] <JT-Shop> they are in group 14
[08:22:47] <JT-Shop> it's a MDI think
[08:22:49] <JT-Shop> n
[08:22:52] <_methods> ahh
[08:23:00] <lair82> We tried a bunch of different things to get it to run properly, but regardless of what we tried, it would always start and stay at whatever the D value is.
[08:23:04] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:Modal-Groups
[08:23:15] <_methods> this is on a lathe correct?
[08:23:48] <lair82> Yep
[08:24:17] <JT-Shop> lair82, what are you trying to achieve?
[08:24:37] <_methods> and what is your max rpm?
[08:24:42] <_methods> you may be maxing it out
[08:27:03] <lair82> Last week we were running a small batch of parts 10-12, and after 2-4 face cuts we were having to rotate the ceramic insert, so instead of re-running all the face cuts again, we were trying to start the spindle in css mode, so we could run-from-line and skip all the BS at the top of the program.
[08:27:10] <JT-Shop> seems to work for me when I jog in and out
[08:28:01] <lair82> They were pretty long face cuts, and there was no hours on the job, so we were trying to cut down on wasted time.
[08:28:06] <JT-Shop> I assume when you run from line you loose the MDI and the G code takes over
[08:28:49] <JT-Shop> seems logical to edit the program and insert the G96 and start from that line
[08:28:59] <lair82> This is happening even before we switch back to cutting mode on the control.
[08:29:49] <lair82> What version are you running JT-Shop?
[08:30:22] <JT-Shop> 2.6 here and I put G96 ... M3 then jogged the X axis in the lathe sim
[08:30:39] <lair82> We have the D value at 800rpm, the spindle is capable of 2240.
[08:30:49] <JT-Shop> I assume when you start run from line the interpreter gets reset
[08:31:19] <lair82> But its not even working in MDI jogging up and down.
[08:31:40] <JT-Shop> what version are you using?
[08:31:44] <lair82> And I'm on the latest 2.6.4
[08:33:32] <JT-Shop> what is the S
[08:34:18] <lair82> 450
[08:35:27] <JT-Shop> works on the Axis lathe sim, after I get past 2" od it starts to slow down
[08:36:41] <lair82> I will have to go out and play with the machine, see what I can come up with,
[08:36:45] <_methods> so is it staying maxed out at 2240?
[08:38:18] <lair82> No, we have the cap value D at 800, and when the machine is in cycle it never went over 270-280, btu when we try it from mdi, G96D800S450M3, it starts at 800, and stays there.
[08:38:33] <_methods> yeah
[08:38:38] <lair82> And this was on roughly a 12" OD part
[08:40:00] <JT-Shop> where was X when you executed the MDI command?
[08:41:12] <lair82> We tried it at the start of the cutting point, about half way down the face, 3-4" above the part, and always saw the max 800 rpm
[08:41:46] <skunkworks> someone else mentioned that issue
[08:42:11] <_methods> yeah you shouldn't be maxing out rpm until you get down to about 2"
[08:44:53] <skunkworks> lair82, could you post a bug report with an example in sim that reproduces it?
[08:45:36] <lair82> Can do, I will go out and verify everything and make sure, then report it.
[08:46:53] <lair82> Jokingly, if I asked for "jog while paused" in the feature request, what would the probable answer be?
[08:47:07] <_methods> hahaha
[08:47:16] <archivist> naughty boy
[08:49:16] <skunkworks> a couple people it seems (if you are not one of them...) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/54588/match=css
[08:51:21] <lair82> The original person for that is actually the owner/my boss of our shop.
[08:52:56] <JT-Shop> if you MDI G96 D800 S450 M3 and jog the X axis and the spindle speed doesn't change when you get past X2 something seems wrong
[08:54:15] <lair82> We are getting to crossroads, where we are going to be needing that utility, it won't be an option, on the VTL we bought last week. And also. if we had that functionality now, I would not of even bothered trying to start a CSS command from mdi, I would have simply paused the program at the end of a cut, jogged away, rotated the insert, then jogged back close to the stopping point, then resumed the program.
[08:59:15] <skunkworks> lair82, someone has wrote a offset dewey garret just wrote a modue that will allow you to do a limited jog while paused..
[08:59:26] <skunkworks> hal module
[09:06:02] <cradek> do I understand right that the spindle DOES work in css mode after that mdi command, but the css mode goes away when you run-from-line?
[09:06:24] <cradek> (I know I've mdi'd css mode lots of times, but not recently)
[09:07:16] <cradek> er no that's not what you're saying
[09:09:26] <cradek> I agree with JT-Shop that mdi of css mode (g96 s100 d666 m3, then jogging and seeing the spindle speed change according to radius) works in sim/axis/lathe
[09:10:53] <cradek> and it seems right: at s100 I get near 1000rpm at diameter 3/8
[09:11:59] <cradek> and then I can run-from-line the middle of the splash screen and it continues happily in CSS mode
[09:12:11] <roycroft> enco have free shipping through the 27th, including truck shipping
[09:12:26] <roycroft> order those surface plates and big lathes now
[09:12:50] <_methods> i'm sure there is some small print on shipping weight
[09:13:48] <_methods> heheh discount cannot be applied to machinery
[09:13:56] <_methods> and under 125lbs
[09:14:07] <roycroft> it's only to the lower 48, and special services such as liftgate are not included
[09:14:09] <_methods> still vise
[09:14:10] <roycroft> that's the fine print
[09:14:25] <roycroft> they said "including truck shipping"
[09:14:39] <roycroft> <125 lbs is ups shipping
[09:14:58] <roycroft> they don't do free truck shipping promos often, which is why i mentioned it
[09:15:04] <JT-Shop> lair82, an immediate solution is to have your post put G96 at the start of each pass so when you run from line you start there
[09:15:04] <_methods> hmm
[09:15:28] <cradek> JT-Shop: can you reproduce it?
[09:15:31] <_methods> i only see free ups shipping
[09:15:33] <roycroft> i got a kennedy roll-away earlier this year while kennedy had a big promo going on, and enco had free shipping at the time
[09:15:44] <roycroft> the promo code is "THANKS"
[09:15:57] <roycroft> i just got the email from them
[09:15:58] <_methods> cool thx
[09:16:09] <_methods> or should i say THANKS
[09:16:09] <JT-Shop> cradek, I only tested G96 in MDI and jogged X and it works as I expected it to
[09:16:30] <cradek> me too, and then I RFL'd the splash screen, and it stayed in css mode
[09:19:21] <lair82> Just realized whats going on, in Axis, it works fine, in Gmoccapy, not so much. We use gmoccapy. What I found is, if you try to invoke the G96.... from MDI, it starts, and starts at the cap speed, regardless of where the x axis is at, if and when you go back to MDI, and enter g92x.....z....., then it will automatically kick the spindle down to whatever RPM it should be at for the given diameter is, it is sitting at, then speed up and
[09:20:14] <cradek> sorry, I have no idea what gmoccapy could be doing to mess this up
[09:21:20] <lair82> I will have to probably talk to Norbert and Chris to see what is going on then?
[09:21:25] <JT-Shop> it should be mandatory to state what version and GUI your using LOL
[09:21:42] <lair82> Sorry guys,,,
[09:21:56] <JT-Shop> lair82, did you seem my comment above?
[09:22:15] <JT-Shop> an immediate solution is to have your post put G96 at the start of each pass so when you run from line you start there
[09:22:39] <lair82> Yep, I will have to talk to the shop supervisor and see if they could modify that.
[09:23:02] <cradek> without knowing what the screwup is, it's not clear that will fix it
[09:23:15] <cradek> but you could sure try
[09:23:27] <JT-Shop> yea, worth a try
[09:26:01] <cradek> oh good, it works fine in touchy too :-)
[09:26:01] <lair82> Would a bug report directed at those guys be worth it?
[09:26:19] <cradek> sure, I think they are very responsive
[09:26:26] <lair82> ok
[09:27:56] <cradek> lair82: you are using a very new and very featureful gui - you might want to remember to try AXIS before reporting bugs - it narrows down the problem space a lot.
[09:32:04] <lair82> cradek, thanks, I do forget that it can be totally un-related from one gui to another, and the fact that most all development is done in Axis.
[09:34:08] <lair82> What "Milestone" should I put that under, 2.6?
[09:35:05] <JT-Shop> lair82, you might get faster response from the forum they are very active therer
[09:35:46] <lair82> Very true,
[09:35:55] * Loetmichel was eating yesterday while playing elite... "ih, s straigt bit of flightpath" *let go if the stick, gets fork, eating thre mouthful* "damn, getting interdicted" *drops fork, back to stick, killing the enemy*... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15404
[09:36:08] <JT-Shop> I'm not saying to not file a bug report but also mention it on the forum
[09:37:33] <Loetmichel> <- needs to build an automatic fork that shoves bits to mouth without the need of hands ;-)
[09:40:37] <ssi> lol
[09:41:45] <_methods> heheh
[09:41:48] <_methods> get a robot arm
[09:42:00] <_methods> voice activated
[09:42:07] <_methods> feed me seymour
[09:43:03] <Loetmichel> *yes*
[09:43:18] <Loetmichel> but you dont want mME singing that tune ;-9
[09:44:17] <lair82> Yep, I'm going to hit both places
[09:45:13] <ssi> lair82: do yall still have the other two atom boards?
[09:45:49] <lair82> The Gigabyte boards?
[09:45:51] <ssi> yea
[09:47:31] <lair82> I do have 2 left, no boxes, one was in a machine running, and removed to upgrade to the new Asrock board, and the other was on its way into a machine, and never made it.
[09:48:01] <lair82> Interested?
[09:48:17] <ssi> yea if you can do them for the same price as the last two I want them
[09:48:30] <ssi> I lost one of the last two, and the other is questionable
[09:49:28] <lair82> $40 a piece sound good, thats what I sold them for last time
[09:49:38] <ssi> er :P
[09:49:59] <lair82> ???
[09:50:05] <ssi> I gave you $55 shipped for the last two :)
[09:51:22] <lair82> No problem, $55 for them, its been a crazy last couple of weeks, couldn't remember, 40 stuck in my head for some reason
[09:51:48] <ssi> ok cool
[09:51:57] <ssi> I need to get a mailbox, I'll let you know when I have the new address
[09:53:12] <lair82> Ok let me know, and we will get them out. I will get an invoice out today if you like?
[09:53:16] <ssi> sure thing
[09:53:21] <lair82> Ok
[09:58:54] <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to know a vendor in the UK for ~6mm glass-reinforced polymer threaded rod?
[09:59:31] <SpeedEvil> (no, I'm not using it for axes)
[10:00:04] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Automation-Servo-Robot-CY700-/291212683117?
[10:00:08] <_methods> $1200
[10:00:18] <_methods> might make a cool plasma table
[10:01:20] <ssi> XY is small, but the Z travel is excessive
[10:01:24] <_methods> yeah
[10:01:27] <_methods> but for $1200
[10:01:41] <_methods> already put together
[10:01:45] <ssi> sure
[10:01:50] <_methods> just attach a torch and height control
[10:02:12] <_methods> i don't have the room in my garage lol
[10:02:17] <_methods> otherwise i'd be all over that
[10:09:10] <cradek> lair82: you should probably add what you did to test in AXIS and what you saw to confirm that it works correctly there
[10:09:30] <cpresser> has anyone tried to modify such a probe: http://www.ebay.de/itm/121429692476 ? i want to attach a cable and hook it up to linuxcnc
[10:09:56] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/hvo/4775505219.html
[10:10:02] <ssi> I need a manual lathe
[10:10:03] <ssi> but that looks fun
[10:10:39] <_methods> wasino makes great lathes
[10:10:42] <_methods> usually small stuff
[10:10:46] <_methods> high production
[10:10:49] <PetefromTn_> cpresser Dunno but I have one of those here never use it.
[10:11:05] <ssi> it'd be silly since I already have the HNC and I don't really need another small parts / chucker
[10:11:16] <ssi> I was talking to this guy yesterday:
[10:11:16] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/hvo/4775505219.html
[10:11:20] <ssi> SB 10 would be nice to have
[10:11:55] <_methods> same guy?
[10:12:03] <ssi> no
[10:12:07] <cradek> cpresser: how much overtravel does it allow?
[10:12:26] <PetefromTn_> considered cutting it an making it into a probe but I honestly did not think it would be better than a true probe
[10:12:30] <cradek> and how does it work exactly?
[10:12:44] <_methods> oh you just posted the same link
[10:12:49] <ssi> oh I did?
[10:12:53] <ssi> sry one sec
[10:12:58] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/tls/4774885100.html
[10:13:14] <ssi> at that price it's probably worth getting for the tooling alone :P
[10:13:15] <_methods> hehe much better lol
[10:13:38] <ssi> might go look at it tonight
[10:13:47] <cpresser> cradek: overtravel? i dont know what that is :/
[10:13:47] <_methods> $1800 is fair price
[10:13:58] <_methods> depending on how it looks
[10:14:11] <ssi> he sent me a couple pics
[10:14:12] <_methods> no pic so you gotta wonder what kind of shape its in
[10:14:13] <ssi> hang on I'll put one up
[10:14:40] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3N9f9VIcAAe1kx.jpg:large
[10:14:57] <_methods> shit looks good
[10:15:00] <cpresser> spending 25€ doesnt seem to bad, its not a big loss if the device is crap
[10:15:04] <_methods> i'd hit that
[10:15:13] <ssi> yea I'm considering it :)
[10:15:19] <ssi> nice thing is it won't be a freakin project
[10:15:25] <ssi> no control to retrofit haha
[10:15:40] <_methods> it would be a crime to convert that
[10:15:47] <ssi> oh no I wouldn't consider it
[10:15:50] <ssi> I mean vs buying that wasino
[10:15:54] <_methods> save the conversions for chinese junk
[10:15:59] <_methods> yeah
[10:16:07] <ssi> do you know what the spindle bore is on the sb10?
[10:16:28] <_methods> depends on the model i think
[10:17:17] <PetefromTn_> http://greenville.craigslist.org/tls/4772547736.html Neato
[10:17:24] <_methods> the 10k is 55/64"
[10:17:33] <_methods> the 10L is 1-13/32
[10:17:46] <_methods> 10R is 1"
[10:18:07] <_methods> not sure if that is trustworthy info
[10:18:12] <ssi> the spindle bore was a very useful 13/8" - thought a seldom-found small-bore version, the 10R, was also marketed.
[10:18:13] <_methods> i just saw it on some forum
[10:19:34] <ssi> yea I think I'm gonna go look at it this afternoon
[12:11:10] <zeeshan-laptop> dun dun dun
[12:11:19] <zeeshan-laptop> i scored an awesome machine!
[12:11:39] <ssi> wat
[12:12:01] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.riverroadmachinery.com/viewitem.asp?itemid=305
[12:12:14] <zeeshan-laptop> i dont have pics of mine (not home)
[12:12:17] <zeeshan-laptop> got that baby for 100 bux
[12:12:43] <zeeshan-laptop> drill bit sharpening got easier :D
[12:12:49] <zeeshan-laptop> only goes to 1.25"
[12:12:58] <zeeshan-laptop> will still need to do the bigger bits by hand
[12:13:19] <ssi> neat
[12:13:30] <ssi> I'm gonna go look at a southbend 10 tonight
[12:13:40] <zeeshan-laptop> dont you have enough lathes
[12:13:44] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[12:13:46] <ssi> I sold my manual lathe
[12:13:50] <zeeshan-laptop> o
[12:14:02] <zeeshan-laptop> use your chnc
[12:14:03] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[12:14:11] <ssi> can't do rifle work on a hnc
[12:14:16] <zeeshan-laptop> yea too small
[12:14:18] <zeeshan-laptop> :/
[12:14:18] <ssi> can do it on the grizzly, but it's not ideal
[12:14:27] <ssi> plus there's just lots of stuff where manual is better
[12:14:36] <Connor> OKay. Z-Axis conversion from acme to ballscrew done for the most part. I just need to replace the top bearing with a AC vs the original thrust bearing when the replacement arrives. Had to cut the standoff's from 2.5" to 2.1"
[12:14:39] <zeeshan-laptop> manual is never better!
[12:14:45] <Connor> I've yet to test it under stepper power.. I'll do that after the AC bearing is installed.
[12:14:46] <zeeshan-laptop> ill never go back manual againnn
[12:14:50] <zeeshan-laptop> only thing i miss is feedback
[12:14:53] <zeeshan-laptop> but i just rely on sound now
[12:15:21] <zeeshan-laptop> manual is better at being cheap!
[12:15:21] <Connor> Hey guys, which would you get.. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-Pc-Socket-Rail-Set-68101.html or http://www.harborfreight.com/3-pc-steel-socket-rail-set-68103.html pricing being not being the determining factor.. not that the price is that much different..
[12:15:22] <zeeshan-laptop> =D
[12:15:44] <zeeshan-laptop> you wanna organize your sockets
[12:15:50] <zeeshan-laptop> is this going in a tool chest?
[12:16:34] <Rab> The cheaper one looks like it might actually be more corrosion-resistant..."chrome plated steel"
[12:16:59] <Rab> Oh, I get it. The more expensive one uses plastic retainers.
[12:17:13] * zeeshan-laptop http://www.kmart.com/mag-clip-magnetic-socket-storage-mat-with-84/p-00917719000P
[12:17:20] <zeeshan-laptop> i use that
[12:17:28] <zeeshan-laptop> inside the tool drawers
[12:17:37] <Rab> I hate the cheap metal spring retainers. They always get bent or lose tension. I'd choose the $3.99 plastic version (and see how and when that fails).
[12:17:46] <zeeshan-laptop> rab yea theyak
[12:17:48] <zeeshan-laptop> *sak
[12:17:54] <zeeshan-laptop> magnet ftw
[12:18:33] <Rab> Hmm, never seen the magnetic type before. Does it ever magnetize the sockets?
[12:18:48] <zeeshan-laptop> i havent really noticed it doing that
[12:18:56] <zeeshan-laptop> on a random note
[12:19:01] <Connor> Yea, i was thinking maybe the plastic ones too.. they get better reviews..
[12:19:04] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna snap next time a student calls and end mill a drill bit
[12:19:07] <zeeshan-laptop> driving me insane
[12:19:17] <zeeshan-laptop> *an
[12:19:37] <Rab> zeeshan-laptop, haha, tell them the proper term is "drill" and not "drill bit".
[12:19:48] <zeeshan-laptop> im gonna drill em
[12:20:08] <ssi> zeeshan-laptop: someone last week asked me if I needed "milling blades"
[12:20:08] <zeeshan-laptop> so glad this is this is the last week of groups i have to deal with
[12:20:14] <zeeshan-laptop> i start a new ta assignment next semester
[12:20:15] <Connor> This is primarily for the new Metric / SAE Hex Socket drivers I purchased from HF. The thingie they came on isn't suitable to for a rack. WAY too hard to get them off..
[12:20:19] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi rofl
[12:20:36] <zeeshan-laptop> well at least they dont call it a drill bit
[12:20:40] <Connor> blades? Milling Blades ?
[12:20:42] <zeeshan-laptop> like cmon the name implies its drilling
[12:20:42] <ssi> yeah I hate that
[12:20:44] <zeeshan-laptop> like fuck
[12:20:50] <ssi> Connor: I assume he meant endmills, but I'm not really sure
[12:21:14] <zeeshan-laptop> milling blades sounds like slitting blades
[12:21:30] <Rab> ssi, surfacing cutter? ^_^
[12:21:48] <ssi> you're overthinking it :)
[12:22:08] <Connor> FYI.. Looking for cheap stuff that wife can get my for Christmas.. need to be specific.
[12:22:10] <Rab> These magnetic mats are expensive.
[12:22:23] <zeeshan-laptop> connor drugs
[12:22:25] <zeeshan-laptop> and hookers
[12:22:36] <Connor> I figure 2 of those.. and 2 of these http://www.shars.com/products/view/1403/Universal_Magnetic_Base
[12:22:38] <Connor> might be good.
[12:22:44] <ssi> Connor: DTIs and bases are good choices
[12:22:45] <ssi> lol beat me to it
[12:23:02] <zeeshan-laptop> your wife is giving you 10$ of presents?
[12:23:13] <zeeshan-laptop> wut
[12:23:33] <ssi> I have a couple of these relatively cheap tenths indicators and they're handy
[12:23:33] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1967/008quot_Dial_Test_Indicator_0001quot
[12:23:57] <ssi> and I like these bases too
[12:23:58] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1429/Mini_Universal_Magnetic_Base_with_030quot_0005_Black_Face_Dial_Test_Indicator
[12:24:03] <Connor> zeeshan-laptop: Dude, I'm hard to shop for. typically, if I want it.. I buy it.. and I want expensive stuff that I have to save up for.. You not being Married, you probably don't understand. :)
[12:24:03] <zeeshan-laptop> wtf
[12:24:05] <zeeshan-laptop> thats expensive!
[12:24:19] <ssi> and I use one of these for tramming these days
[12:24:20] <zeeshan-laptop> connor i'm common low
[12:24:20] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1456/Test_Indicator_Holder_Arm_Only
[12:24:20] <zeeshan-laptop> law
[12:24:23] <LeelooMinai> You can buy them for 1/3 price on aliexpress:)
[12:24:23] <zeeshan-laptop> marriage is for suckers
[12:24:24] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[12:24:30] <zeeshan-laptop> jk
[12:24:54] <Connor> ssi: I have a .0005" DTI
[12:24:55] <zeeshan-laptop> you can grab a mitutoyo 25 thou 0.0001 for 50 bux
[12:24:56] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[12:25:05] <ssi> zeeshan-laptop: where?
[12:25:08] <LeelooMinai> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-magnetic-lever-dialgauge-base-depth-gauge-shelf-dial-indicator-gauge-stand-Quaranteed-100/531994889.html
[12:25:12] <zeeshan-laptop> kijiji!! :P
[12:25:22] <ssi> too many dots in a row
[12:25:24] <ssi> does not trust
[12:25:26] <zeeshan-laptop> hahah
[12:25:35] <zeeshan-laptop> i have too many
[12:25:43] <ssi> LeelooMinai: that's exactly the same price as shars :P
[12:25:45] <zeeshan-laptop> one thing isaw in a youtube video that i dont have
[12:25:48] <zeeshan-laptop> is this:
[12:25:49] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1407/135_Lbs_Holder_Power_Magnetic_Base
[12:25:53] <ssi> ok it's $2 cheaper
[12:26:16] <ssi> except it has to be shipped from china
[12:27:20] <LeelooMinai> A< ok, the other one was with dial indicator
[12:27:59] <ssi> shars really isn't terrible pricewise for chinese tooling that ships from the US relatively quickly
[12:28:12] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ju8AAOSwD0lUcU-5/$_57.JPG
[12:28:14] <zeeshan-laptop> i need!!!!!
[12:28:19] <zeeshan-laptop> its a bad ass style!
[12:28:30] <ssi> lol
[12:28:37] <zeeshan-laptop> ive never seen that before
[12:28:53] <LeelooMinai> Never been to a museum?
[12:29:09] <zeeshan-laptop> LeelooMinai: go buy some chinese tools
[12:29:20] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[12:29:22] <LeelooMinai> I already have many:)
[12:29:34] <ssi> Connor: do you have a coaxial indicator set?
[12:29:43] <zeeshan-laptop> i has a blake
[12:29:48] <zeeshan-laptop> i rarely ever use that thing
[12:29:50] <Connor> No, Just a zero set for the DTI
[12:30:01] <ssi> I use my coaxial fairly often
[12:30:03] <Connor> I *DO* have a digital probe..
[12:30:04] <ssi> picking up bores and such
[12:30:06] <zeeshan-laptop> for what
[12:30:08] <zeeshan-laptop> hm
[12:30:16] <Connor> I just need to get it calibrated.
[12:30:20] <zeeshan-laptop> im so used to doing it in quadrant mode
[12:30:28] <zeeshan-laptop> with a indicator base
[12:30:28] <zeeshan-laptop> :P
[12:30:34] <zeeshan-laptop> cause the base is always on the machine
[12:30:56] <zeeshan-laptop> LeelooMinai: find a cheapo haimer 3d indiator
[12:30:58] <zeeshan-laptop> from aliexpress
[12:31:12] <zeeshan-laptop> i cant justify spending 500 bux on that thing
[12:31:14] <Connor> I'm not too sure I like my probe.. it seams hard to get it calibrated.
[12:31:18] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-513-403-0001-Horizontal-Indicator/dp/B001C11U5K/ref=sr_1_5?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1416852663&sr=1-5&keywords=mitutoyo+0.0001
[12:31:34] <Connor> and I'm afraid it will loose it's calibration.
[12:31:36] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi for that price
[12:31:39] <zeeshan-laptop> f that chinese nonsense
[12:32:08] <ssi> mitu isn't chinese nonsense :P
[12:32:21] <zeeshan-laptop> im talking about the 50 bux shars one
[12:32:32] <ssi> eh I paid like $37 for them
[12:32:41] <Connor> I got one like this.. http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=69&products_id=322 direct from the guy who makes it.
[12:32:41] <zeeshan-laptop> seriously ive got both
[12:32:46] <zeeshan-laptop> they are a piece of shit
[12:32:53] <zeeshan-laptop> they have error through their travel
[12:32:55] <LeelooMinai> I have this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Digital-Dial-Indicator-DTI-High-Precision-Measuring-Tools-0-001mm-0-12-7m/32224019782.html
[12:33:01] <zeeshan-laptop> the 1" had 6 thou over the 1"
[12:33:24] <ssi> I don't like digital indicators
[12:33:27] <LeelooMinai> I bought it with intention of getting at the protocol so I can read what it measures inside linuxcnc
[12:33:28] <ssi> they always die when I need them most
[12:33:36] <zeeshan-laptop> i like the ones with the analog meter on em
[12:33:57] <ssi> I'd like to have a good quality set of digital calipers just for quick inch/mm conversion and such
[12:34:04] <ssi> but mostly I prefer regular dial calipers and indicators
[12:34:11] <LeelooMinai> Since it has small port on the side - I already found connectors for it
[12:34:42] <zeeshan-laptop> hey another person who likes dial calipers
[12:34:42] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[12:34:52] <zeeshan-laptop> something about a mechanical link
[12:34:54] <zeeshan-laptop> vs digital
[12:35:00] <LeelooMinai> When I figure it out I should be able to, say, map the whole XY table automatically
[12:35:09] <ssi> there's some handy things you can do with a digital
[12:35:15] <ssi> like distance to go
[12:35:42] <Connor> I Clamped my Digital Calipers to my 7x10 last night to finish up those standoff's
[12:35:42] <zeeshan-laptop> i use the dial calipers on the lathe
[12:35:57] <ssi> I ought to buy myself a nice mitu digital caliper just to have for stuff like that
[12:36:05] <ssi> the cheap digital calipers suck hard
[12:36:09] <zeeshan-laptop> i got a 8" and 6" mitutoyo
[12:36:13] <zeeshan-laptop> found that stuff cheap
[12:36:16] <zeeshan-laptop> but dude
[12:36:19] <Connor> made it contact the saddle, and zeroed it.. and took off .200 from one side.. flipped it, and .215 from the other.
[12:36:24] <zeeshan-laptop> ive compared those cheapo hf calipers vs mitutoyo
[12:36:29] <zeeshan-laptop> they're the same shit.
[12:36:37] <ssi> eh I dunno
[12:36:38] <zeeshan-laptop> i tried measuring gauge blocks
[12:36:44] <LeelooMinai> You can buy whole set:) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-3pcs-set-mitutoyo-micrometer-0-25mm-0-01-digital-caliper-0-150mm-0-01/2047329402.html?s=p
[12:36:47] <ssi> maybe in terms of accuracy
[12:36:53] <Connor> mitutoyo have carbide jaws ?
[12:36:54] <ssi> but the hf ones get flaky
[12:36:59] <ssi> the battery fingers lose their spring
[12:37:05] <_methods> hahahahahahha
[12:37:10] <_methods> mitutoyo same as hf
[12:37:12] <_methods> now that's funny
[12:37:18] <zeeshan-laptop> connor mine doesnt
[12:37:25] <zeeshan-laptop> _method vernier caliper wise
[12:37:30] <zeeshan-laptop> theyre the same.
[12:37:35] <Connor> I think Pete has a pair that does.
[12:37:36] <roycroft> how many gauge blocks did you measure?
[12:37:37] <zeeshan-laptop> in terms of absolute precision
[12:37:39] <zeeshan-laptop> a lot
[12:37:43] <_methods> hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahah
[12:37:56] <ssi> Connor: yea petes are nice
[12:38:15] <zeeshan-laptop> mines the absolute digimatic
[12:38:19] <zeeshan-laptop> the yellow black
[12:38:22] <zeeshan-laptop> not the fancy ip65 ones
[12:38:43] <roycroft> i dropped my starret dial caliper a while back
[12:38:51] <roycroft> i haven't sent it in for repair yet
[12:38:56] <zeeshan-laptop> starrett is just a rebranded hf caliper
[12:39:01] <roycroft> first time i ever dropped a semi-precision measuring too
[12:39:01] <ssi> roycroft: I have like three calipers that need to be sent in
[12:39:02] <roycroft> l
[12:39:04] <zeeshan-laptop> made in china
[12:39:11] <roycroft> i've been using chinese ones in the interim
[12:39:13] <roycroft> and i hate them
[12:39:18] <zeeshan-laptop> why
[12:39:26] <roycroft> nowhere near as smooth as the starret
[12:39:30] <ssi> I know I have a B&S 6" and a mitu 6" that need repair
[12:39:35] <ssi> and I think there's a third but I'm not sure offhand
[12:39:45] <ssi> I loved the B&S too
[12:39:49] <zeeshan-laptop> ill make a video for you fux that dont believe me :(
[12:39:52] <Connor> My inside jaws on my cheapie are way off..
[12:39:53] <ssi> they got screwy somewhere in the rack and pinion
[12:39:55] <roycroft> i should send that thing in - they quoted me $65 to repair/calibrate
[12:40:03] <ssi> probably worth it
[12:40:08] <_methods> don't waste your time lol
[12:40:11] <_methods> i won't watch it
[12:40:14] <zeeshan-laptop> exactly
[12:40:18] <zeeshan-laptop> cause your biased
[12:40:25] <roycroft> maybe i'll buy one of those nice mitutoyo calipers with the black face
[12:40:29] <zeeshan-laptop> trust me i hate buying chinese stuff
[12:40:34] <zeeshan-laptop> but credit needs to given where its due
[12:40:35] <roycroft> and still get the starrett repaired
[12:40:48] <ssi> roycroft: never hurts to have more!
[12:40:55] <roycroft> and chain the chinese ones to my drill/end mill dispensers
[12:41:11] <roycroft> i like using dial calipers to measure drill bits
[12:41:24] <roycroft> i know some folks use those drill index cards, but i find calipers a lot faster
[12:41:28] <zeeshan-laptop> at our school we have this
[12:41:45] <zeeshan-laptop> http://ecatalog.mitutoyo.com/Digimatic-Carbon-Fiber-Caliper-Series-552-with-Optional-Jaw-Attachments-C1602.aspx
[12:41:47] <zeeshan-laptop> carbon fiber :D
[12:41:47] <roycroft> i have a little plastic cup on top of my drill dispenser
[12:41:56] <roycroft> when i use a drill bit i stick it back in the cup
[12:42:11] <roycroft> when the cup gets fairly full i inspect and resharpen as necessary, then refile the bits
[12:42:15] <Connor> I picked up a 1" starret Micrometer from a estate sale for $10.00
[12:42:23] <_methods> nice find
[12:42:42] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/X5hwdzy.gif
[12:42:42] <LeelooMinai> I found mitutoyo micrometer in my basement once - beat that:)
[12:42:46] <roycroft> i have three chinese calipers, all different
[12:42:53] <roycroft> and they all feel like they're full of sand
[12:43:11] <ssi> Connor: a few years ago, when I was first getting into machinework
[12:43:17] <zeeshan-laptop> roycroft: this style?
[12:43:20] <ssi> I came across a table at a gunshow, and a guy was selling dial calipers
[12:43:27] <ssi> he had like ten of them
[12:43:30] <ssi> all brand name
[12:43:30] <LeelooMinai> But it's one of those where you have to do calculations to figure out what it is measuring
[12:43:32] <ssi> for $10 apiece
[12:43:35] <zeeshan-laptop> http://canadiantire.ugc.bazaarvoice.com/9045/334658/photo.jpg
[12:43:37] <ssi> I bought a mitu and a B&S
[12:43:40] <ssi> I wish I'd bought all of them
[12:43:47] <ssi> all in cases
[12:43:49] <Connor> Did he know what he had ?
[12:43:52] <ssi> yeah
[12:44:00] <ssi> sorta...
[12:44:02] <roycroft> no, i don't like those fancy electrical ones
[12:44:03] <ssi> he was a reloading guy
[12:44:13] <Tom_itx> probably used lightly
[12:44:29] <ssi> eh, they were fairly well used, but still perfectly serviceable
[12:44:32] <zeeshan-laptop> oh okay
[12:44:44] <zeeshan-laptop> thats the style that is same as mitutoyo
[12:44:45] <Tom_itx> not used for measuring the width of grinding wheels while they're running
[12:44:57] <ssi> haha I'd slap someone if I saw them doing that
[12:45:00] <zeeshan-laptop> rofl
[12:45:03] <Tom_itx> :)
[12:45:06] <roycroft> more like this:
[12:45:08] <roycroft> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dial-Caliper-0-4-0-001-Depth-OD-1-0-ID-0-5-Face-White-Stainless-Steel-/331346516287
[12:45:14] <Connor> the Micrometer was in the box, with it's accuracy certificate
[12:45:16] <roycroft> i have 1 4" and a couple 6"
[12:45:16] <zeeshan-laptop> o
[12:45:17] <LeelooMinai> That measurement would get bigger pretty fast:)
[12:45:19] <_methods> hahahahah i caught one of the welders in my shop using a guys mic's as clamps
[12:45:20] <roycroft> and they're all crap
[12:45:22] <ssi> I'm guilty of using a caliper to scribe a line on a running part in a lathe
[12:45:28] <ssi> but I try to stick to the HF calipers for that :)
[12:45:40] <zeeshan-laptop> ssi i do that all the time
[12:45:43] <zeeshan-laptop> thats what the chinese ones are for
[12:45:44] <Connor> ssi: You can do that with those Pete has.. carbide tipped. :)
[12:45:44] <zeeshan-laptop> :DF
[12:46:01] <ssi> yeah, but even with the carbide tips I'd still rather not use my $150 calipers for that :)
[12:46:10] <LeelooMinai> I use calipers to scribe lines sometimes too - but inly lightly and on a sharpie mark I made
[12:46:22] <roycroft> i would not use a good dial caliper like that, even with carbide tips
[12:46:40] <Tom_itx> LeelooMinai yeah me too, i just regrind the tip when it gets dull
[12:46:47] <ssi> roycroft: who quoted you $65 for that repair?
[12:46:55] <roycroft> starrett
[12:46:57] <Tom_itx> </sarchasm>
[12:47:01] <_methods> hehe
[12:47:09] <roycroft> and that includes return postage
[12:47:16] <ssi> is a sarchasm a yawning gulf which separates our understanding of humor?
[12:47:28] <LeelooMinai> Tom_itx: Sharpie mark is not that abrasive:p
[12:48:16] <Tom_itx> get some dykem blue instead
[12:48:20] <Tom_itx> prettier
[12:48:34] <ssi> you can get it in spray cans which is pretty convenient if you don't mind painting your lathe :)
[12:48:40] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:48:46] <ssi> I had a can of red
[12:48:53] <Tom_itx> red's ok too
[12:48:55] <ssi> cause I'm a rebel like that
[12:48:59] <roycroft> i like the little bottles with the brush in the lid
[12:49:03] <roycroft> i use both red and blue
[12:49:12] <ssi> is there a difference other than color?
[12:49:16] <Tom_itx> no
[12:49:16] <roycroft> no
[12:49:17] <LeelooMinai> ssi: With red you won't be able to tell it apart from your blood:)
[12:49:27] <ssi> so why do you sometimes use one or the other?
[12:49:29] <ssi> just curious
[12:49:38] <Tom_itx> preference i suppose
[12:49:42] <roycroft> red seems to show up better on aluminium
[12:49:45] <roycroft> and blue on steel
[12:49:48] <roycroft> to my eye at least
[12:49:53] <ssi> ah
[12:50:03] <roycroft> it's all about the best contrast
[12:50:27] <_methods> it's all about the bass
[12:50:38] <ssi> it's all about the benjamins
[12:50:41] <roycroft> billy big mouth bass?
[12:50:42] <Tom_itx> use penetrant dye and then you can see your marks under blacklight
[12:50:56] <ssi> Tom_itx: that shit's expensive :P
[12:51:19] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/magnaflux.php?clickkey=22059
[12:51:41] <Tom_itx> yeah but you need it to check your parts
[12:51:53] <zeeshan-laptop> i never understood the point of magnafluxing?
[12:52:03] <Tom_itx> checks for cracks
[12:52:06] <ssi> non-destructive testing for cracks
[12:52:07] <zeeshan-laptop> yea
[12:52:08] <zeeshan-laptop> but cant you see em
[12:52:10] <ssi> super critical for aerospace
[12:52:12] <zeeshan-laptop> with just regular paint
[12:52:13] <roycroft> no
[12:52:15] <roycroft> not always
[12:52:34] <roycroft> if you can see the cracks the piece is almost beyond repair, arguably
[12:52:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-laptop, no
[12:52:46] <zeeshan-laptop> ive seen ultrasonic
[12:52:47] <zeeshan-laptop> and xray
[12:52:55] <ssi> eddy current inspection too
[12:52:58] <ssi> all sorts of fun methods
[12:52:59] <zeeshan-laptop> but magnafluxing is popular on engine decks
[12:53:14] <roycroft> on cast iron ones
[12:54:14] <Connor> So, Someone want to explain to me, how the heck I could mess up the ball cage in a AC bearing AFTER it was installed ?
[12:54:27] <ssi> chip?
[12:54:38] <Tom_itx> over reving it
[12:54:43] <Tom_itx> or shit in the bearings
[12:54:47] <Tom_itx> err stuff
[12:54:48] <LeelooMinai> Smashing it with a hammer so it fits better?
[12:55:03] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oag_fnwG5F4/maxresdefault.jpg
[12:55:07] <zeeshan-laptop> like shit like that
[12:55:12] <zeeshan-laptop> i can see that crck with my eye
[12:55:15] <zeeshan-laptop> do you really need magnafluxing.
[12:55:37] <Tom_itx> yeah but can you see the other crack
[12:55:47] <Tom_itx> across the water channel from the obvious one?
[12:55:52] <zeeshan-laptop> yea
[12:56:01] <Connor> No Chip, No Hammer. MAYBE over tightening it.. but.. it looked like it was just on one side.
[12:56:46] <Connor> This was the lower bearing on the Z which has no bearing pocket.. it does have a shim under it.. I'm wondering of maybe the shim got off center and caused issues.
[12:57:14] <Tom_itx> maybe it was doomed from the start
[12:57:33] <Connor> THAT's what I'm assuming.. sent VXB a email.
[12:57:49] <Connor> I moved the top bearing to the lower.. and used the original thrust bearing on the top... for now..
[12:57:50] <Connor> it works..
[12:57:57] <Tom_itx> was it one with folded tabs?
[12:58:02] <Tom_itx> maybe a tab broke off
[12:58:04] <_methods> i was wondering about that setup
[12:58:08] <Connor> No.
[12:58:09] <_methods> i was just modeling that up last night
[12:58:18] <Connor> http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit10012
[12:58:22] <_methods> did you use the needle bearing on the lower part of Z
[12:58:25] <Connor> that's the bearing.
[12:58:35] <_methods> the top one
[12:58:52] <Connor> _methods: No, Just two AC bearings.. back to back with the top plate between.
[12:59:11] <_methods> is this for x2 minimill build?
[12:59:19] <Connor> No, G0704
[12:59:22] <_methods> oh
[12:59:26] <_methods> nm then lol
[12:59:42] <_methods> sounds like a similar z build though
[12:59:49] <_methods> with the needle bearing below
[12:59:49] <Connor> I need some sort of shim to go around the bearing though.. it's 25mm, but the bearing pocket is like 26.3mm
[13:00:09] <_methods> make a sleeve?
[13:00:13] <Connor> _methods: Originally, it had a brass bushing below and a single thrust bearing on top.
[13:00:28] <_methods> which build model is this?
[13:00:37] <_methods> aren't the x2 and the 0704 similar in design?
[13:00:43] <Connor> No.
[13:00:45] <ssi> not at all
[13:00:48] <_methods> ahh
[13:00:48] <ssi> 704 is a BF20
[13:00:51] <_methods> kk
[13:00:56] <Connor> BF25
[13:01:06] <_methods> i was gonna get an 0704 but the x2 is just too cheap lol
[13:01:19] <ssi> the X2 is way way way less machine than a 704
[13:01:22] <_methods> and i just use it to play around
[13:01:25] <ssi> the 704 is bigger than an X3
[13:01:28] <_methods> ahhh
[13:01:37] <_methods> yeah the price was way bigger too lol
[13:01:50] <Connor> http://www.mcmaster.com/#bearing-shim-rings/=uqj2k2
[13:02:07] <Connor> Maybe one of those will work.. now to figure out which one...
[13:02:16] <Connor> Any idea how these work ?
[13:02:40] <_methods> they call out the bore dia
[13:03:02] <_methods> what is what'd you say the bearing pocket was?
[13:03:29] <_methods> looks like they don't have one sized for what you need
[13:03:32] <Connor> Somewhere around 26.3mm I need to go back and
[13:03:33] <_methods> that sux
[13:03:34] <Connor> check
[13:03:48] <_methods> it goes from 23.9-23.97
[13:03:55] <_methods> then jumps to 27.88-27.96
[13:04:42] <Connor> Wait.. 35mm bearing.. not 25mm
[13:04:50] <Connor> 36.3mm or so oversized..
[13:05:06] <_methods> http://www.mcmaster.com/#2896k15/=uqj436
[13:05:09] <_methods> 36.88
[13:05:28] <Connor> I'll have to go and double check the pocket size.
[13:08:35] <_methods> hmm that g0463 looks pretty nice too
[13:09:00] <Connor> _methods: that's the X3
[13:09:04] <_methods> ahhh
[13:09:10] <Connor> stay away from it. Open Column in the back
[13:09:15] <_methods> ahhh
[13:09:32] <_methods> i'll just stick with my little x2
[13:09:36] <Connor> and If memory serves, you have to mount the Z ball screw on the side.
[13:10:20] <_methods> i don't have any real work for any of my stuff it's all just toys
[13:12:03] <_methods> i had no idea grizzly had full knee mills
[13:12:11] <ssi> yeah, way too much money tho :/
[13:12:13] <_methods> damn they got a cnc
[13:12:21] <_methods> 12 tool atc
[13:12:22] <_methods> lol
[13:12:40] <_methods> https://www.grizzly.com/outlet/CNC-Mill-w-12-Position-ATC/G0618
[13:13:11] <_methods> how much is a haas tm-1
[13:16:08] <_methods> ahh i guess the tm1-p is comparable to that grizzly and they start at $36k
[13:18:52] <ssi> I can't imagine buying the grizzly for the same money as a tm1
[13:19:00] <_methods> yeah lol
[13:19:04] <ssi> it's a different class of machine :P
[13:19:09] <_methods> indeed
[13:19:20] <_methods> the tm-2p is like $38
[13:19:24] <_methods> $38k
[13:19:45] <_methods> the tm-3p base is $44k
[13:19:46] <ssi> although haas is the king of add-on pricing
[13:19:49] <_methods> yeah
[13:19:52] <_methods> want lights
[13:19:54] <_methods> $1k
[13:19:54] <ssi> that 36k machine'll be 60k all up
[13:19:58] <_methods> yeah hehhe
[13:20:01] <_methods> want a pendant
[13:20:04] <_methods> $2500
[13:20:04] <ssi> the software unlocks are the worst
[13:20:11] <_methods> yeah it's silly
[13:20:15] <ssi> I don't mind paying for lights and a pendant nearly as much as conversational screens :P
[13:20:20] <_methods> but most haas techs are so disgruntled they
[13:20:23] <_methods> they hook you up
[13:20:32] <ssi> oh the memory is the worst tho
[13:20:47] <_methods> yeah upgraded memory lol
[13:20:50] <_methods> or usb
[13:21:09] <_methods> $2500 for usb hahahaha
[13:21:18] <_methods> i'll just use rs232 thank you
[13:21:19] <Connor> I hate software lock outs..
[13:21:26] <_methods> and F your memory i'll just drip feed
[13:21:38] <ssi> I have no interest in drip feeding :P
[13:21:54] <_methods> i have no interest in payin silly prices for memory either lol
[13:22:04] <ssi> yeah me either
[13:22:16] <ssi> but I'm also not buying new machines like that
[13:22:19] <ssi> so I do retrofits
[13:22:20] <_methods> nah
[13:22:28] <ssi> speaking of which
[13:22:37] <ssi> I desperately need to get back on the vmc retrofit
[13:22:38] <_methods> new machines is like buying new cars
[13:23:03] <Connor> ssi: How are things on the home front? and the retrofit ?
[13:23:22] <ssi> Connor: I haven't sat down and hooked up the servo/drive/conversion board that was in the house
[13:23:30] <ssi> I cleaned up the servo and it looks ok but I Haven't run it yet
[13:23:41] <ssi> I probably need to sit down and make new commutation boards
[13:23:51] <ssi> but I lost most of my electronics tools, which is super inconvenient
[13:24:05] <Connor> Yea, the super sucks..
[13:24:24] <Connor> they cut you a check yet ?
[13:24:29] <ssi> not a big one
[13:24:36] <ssi> I got a small advance, and some rent money
[13:24:41] <Connor> yea.. takes for freaking ever.
[13:24:47] <ssi> I need to finish up an initial inventory
[13:24:53] <ssi> tehn hopefully they'll give me somewhere around half that number
[13:25:00] <ssi> then I'll have to work for the other half :P
[13:25:14] <ssi> I'm gonna spend a chunk of that money buying another airplane
[13:25:14] <Connor> Yea, the depreciate everything
[13:25:16] <ssi> already committed to it
[13:25:27] <Loetmichel> *NIIIIICE* glasses 5 min into the new US cleaner filled with windex... like new! not even a speck of dirt in the nose pad holders... ;-)
[13:25:44] <ssi> well if I can make my inventory total high enough that the depreciated value approaces the contents sublimit, then I won't have to worry about actually replacing anything and submitting supplement receipts
[13:26:09] <Connor> yea.
[13:26:30] <Connor> Like I said, I went through this as a Kid.. I remember having to go through my room and write down everything I owned.
[13:26:35] <ssi> yea
[13:26:46] <ssi> I'm having to do exactly that, except all the rooms are mine
[13:26:47] <Connor> Telescope, gameboy with games, computer, etc..
[13:26:48] <ssi> and I had a LOT of crap
[13:26:56] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3OpamFIEAIo_4v.jpg:large
[13:27:01] <ssi> I'm buying that from a friend of mine :D
[13:27:27] <Connor> Your going to fill your hanger with airplans and run out of shop space!! :)
[13:27:33] <ssi> I have three hangars ;)
[13:27:44] <Connor> and now 2 planes .. :)
[13:27:47] <ssi> three planes
[13:27:48] <ssi> heh
[13:27:51] <Connor> 3 ??
[13:27:53] <ssi> but this one will fit in with the RV in one hangar
[13:27:54] <Loetmichel> and it was not THAT expensive. nearly the same price category as these "do nothing" mini sonic cleaners you can buy off ebay for gold and silver Jewellery
[13:28:09] <ssi> yeah I have the cherokee 140, the RV7, and now this pitts S1
[13:28:24] <ssi> the pitts is TINY
[13:28:28] <Connor> Friend in my robot club said you can't use hangers for any type of construction in California.
[13:28:30] <ssi> it's 16' long and 16' span
[13:29:23] <ssi> based on what?
[13:29:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/301064751350?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&var=600193764633
[13:29:28] <ssi> I know people build in their hangars out there
[13:29:44] <Connor> I'm thinking it might be a facility to facility thing..
[13:30:08] <ssi> quick googling turns up this agreement for a particular airport in ca
[13:30:08] <ssi> All aircraft hangars on Redding Municipal Airport or Benton Airpark shall be used for the non-commercial storage of airworthy aircraft or aircraft under construction. Provided the primary purpose of storing an airworthy aircraft or project aircraft is met and space is available, a hangar can also be used by the hangar owner to store other personal property such as a ski boat or motorcycle and as long as the use is in conformance with State and local reg
[13:30:23] <ssi> my uses meet those guidelines
[13:30:50] <Connor> facility to facility thing, or state thing.. who knows.
[13:36:07] * LeelooMinai wonders if "airworthy" means it can fly:)
[13:36:20] <ssi> that's pretty much what it means
[13:38:02] <ssi> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-stabbed-with-legend-of-zelda-master-sword-in-serious-condition-9167520.html
[13:38:26] <ssi> "The man declined to mention whether he collected any rupees following the incident."
[13:43:04] <Loetmichel> LeelooMinai: airworthy means it will not only fly but land in one piece
[13:43:14] <Loetmichel> ant repeatable, not one-time;)
[13:43:29] <Loetmichel> -t+d
[13:43:55] <jdh> or under construction
[13:51:10] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel what goes up _will_ come down
[13:51:22] <ssi> not always
[13:51:41] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: not neccessarily in one piece
[13:51:44] <Loetmichel> :-)=
[13:51:49] <Tom_itx> that's optional
[13:51:50] <ssi> if you throw it fast enough it ain't comin back
[13:51:58] <Loetmichel> for "airworthy" it isnt
[14:17:44] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: There used to be a user map on the website. The link is broken now. Has it moved?
[14:30:32] <Tom_itx> sliptonic what website?
[14:30:38] <Tom_itx> his or linuxcnc?
[14:33:08] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/linuxcnc-user-map
[14:33:58] <Tom_itx> that area is private
[14:34:08] <Tom_itx> mayb you didn't see it because you weren't logged in
[14:34:23] <Tom_itx> it looks rather crouded
[14:34:31] <Connor> Tom_itx: Zoom in.
[14:34:52] <Tom_itx> are you on it?
[14:34:57] <Connor> Yes
[14:35:33] <Tom_itx> me 2
[14:36:41] <Connor> Although, my name has just a dash
[14:36:43] <Connor> not sure why
[14:37:24] <Tom_itx> mmm only 6 in this area registered
[14:38:21] <Tom_itx> can you update information on the map?
[14:39:08] <Connor> You can set your geocode I think..
[14:39:12] <Connor> if that's what you mean.
[14:39:21] <Tom_itx> i wanted to update my webpage link
[14:39:30] <Connor> Oh. Not sure.
[14:39:49] <Tom_itx> i found it
[14:39:54] <Connor> yea.. profile.. homepage
[14:43:24] <Tom_itx> pcw_home you around?
[14:43:57] <Connor> What exactly is axis.N.jog-vel-mode ??
[14:49:10] <Connor> OKay.. I've been mulling this over in my head for a while now.. Having E-Stop, and/or Machine Power turn off the Stepper PSU, or disable the stepper drivers..
[14:49:41] <LeelooMinai> Connor: You can find this info in the integrator manual pdf: http://i.imgur.com/6TTXm6U.png
[14:50:15] <Connor> I don't like the idea of disabling or turning of the PSU in Machine Power because.. that means technically I need to re-home every time I toggle power..
[14:51:00] <Connor> LeelooMinai: Yea. I found the HAL reference to it.. Just wondering what increment value is used.. of it the scale value is used.
[14:51:21] <Connor> I'm not sure about turning off during E-Stop event either...
[14:51:49] <Connor> steppers aren't going to move.. it's not like a servo machine where the steppers will run away.. they have to have a pulse train from the system..
[15:02:24] <JT-Shop> sliptonic, map loads for me... are you logged in?
[15:02:37] <JT-Shop> wow 1634 users on the map
[15:03:11] <Tom_itx> one in swampeast mo
[15:04:38] <JT-Shop> lol only one
[15:05:10] <Tom_itx> got these darn chips off the boards last night
[15:05:30] <rob_h> wow a few UK users now
[16:12:40] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: I'm trying the link on this page: http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/about and getting a 404
[16:14:20] <sliptonic> Ahh, but this one works. http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/linuxcnc-user-map
[16:22:03] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/about loads fine here
[16:22:28] <sliptonic> CaptHindsight: Try the geographical map link on that page.
[16:23:15] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_google_maps_insight/ 404
[16:27:59] <Deejay> gn8
[17:05:59] <JT-Shop> sliptonic, odd it is the same link in the left column no matter what page your on
[17:06:20] <JT-Shop> oh I see the problem it's the link on the about page
[17:06:28] <JT-Shop> I'll fix that
[17:07:27] <Connor> WHEN is linuxcnc going to upgrade from Joomla 1.0 ? :)
[17:08:03] <JT-Shop> never
[17:08:30] <Connor> or is it 1.5
[17:08:48] <Connor> okay.. it's 1.5
[17:08:51] <JT-Shop> it is what it is
[17:16:01] <andypugh> Out hackers love it.
[17:16:39] <jthornton> Out?
[17:17:12] <andypugh> I can’t type. I meant “Our”. I imagine that hackers both inside and outside the closet love it.
[17:17:30] <jthornton> ah ok that makes sense
[17:17:38] <jthornton> I can't type either most of the time
[17:49:21] <renesis> guys
[17:50:14] <renesis> do you know if i get a quadro for solidworks to render, does it need to be a video output card?
[17:51:03] <jthornton> I thought a quadro was a video card? I have one or two I think
[17:52:01] <renesis> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133372&
[17:52:35] <renesis> like i got that, could i put it in a third slot, and then run ATI crossfire stuff for video output and games
[17:52:55] <renesis> like, i just want the quadro for rendering
[17:53:01] <andypugh> Ooh! A resolver MPG. That would be perfect for my mill, though no real improvement on the current encoder MPG. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mikroma-TS3C2-10-Volt-2000Hz-Resolver-/371140620876
[17:53:24] <jthornton> renesis, that is above my pay scale...
[17:54:26] <andypugh> It seems like something that might get answered on a deidcated Solidworks forum/channel/list
[17:54:28] <cradek> andypugh: what a connector
[17:55:03] <andypugh> I could probably sell the connector and be in profit :-)
[17:57:41] <andypugh> Actually, I don’t see enough wires for that to be a resolver…
[17:58:50] <andypugh> Of course googling the part number now only returns page after page of ebay re-listers (why the hell do they do that?)
[17:59:29] <cradek> I see green/white as a pair. the other two might also be pairs
[17:59:49] <andypugh> I made an insulting offer, I might get to find out.
[17:59:52] <cradek> I might see red/white too
[18:00:38] <cradek> �79 is real money
[18:01:39] <ssi> I went and looked at that southbend 10L today
[18:01:45] <ssi> it's pretty decent, and comes with a lot of tooling
[18:02:03] <andypugh> cradek: It sounds more at $125 strangely.
[18:02:07] <ssi> and by a lot of tooling, I mostly mean three chucks, two of which are buck 6 jaw set-tru
[18:02:23] <andypugh> I would guess it listed at >$600 originally
[18:02:25] <ssi> I may adapt one of them for the HNC
[18:02:35] <_methods> 2 6 jaws?
[18:02:39] <_methods> that's kinda weird
[18:02:39] <ssi> yea
[18:02:41] <ssi> and a 4 jaw
[18:02:45] <ssi> yeah it's kinda weird
[18:02:53] <ssi> he also has two collet closer noses for it
[18:03:00] <_methods> ah nice
[18:03:06] <andypugh> I think 6-jaw are better for thin-walled stuff. And for looking cool.
[18:03:08] <ssi> the kid doesn't really know anything about the machine
[18:03:26] <ssi> he bought it with all the tooling
[18:03:30] <_methods> well that's a decent deal for sure
[18:03:34] <ssi> yea I think so
[18:03:40] <ssi> I'm gonna drag a trailer up friday
[18:03:46] <ssi> worst part is gonna be getting it loaded
[18:03:56] <ssi> he has it in a little shed, and it'll have to come out of that shed over a pretty tall threshold
[18:04:01] <ssi> and it's all dirt driveway back there
[18:04:13] <ssi> his plan is to drag it out by hand then use an engine hoist to load it
[18:04:27] <andypugh> Pictures?
[18:04:47] <ssi> I should have taken some
[18:04:50] <ssi> I have one he sent me, one sec
[18:04:59] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3N9f9VIcAAe1kx.jpg:large
[18:05:01] <andypugh> I can’t find the 10L on lathes.co.uk
[18:05:11] <ssi> I think it's the same as the heavy 10
[18:05:21] <ssi> it's definitely got the 1-3/8" spindle bore, which I like
[18:05:26] <ssi> but otherwise it's a tiny machine
[18:05:32] <ssi> maybe 20" between centers
[18:05:40] <andypugh> Screw-on chucks and plain bearing headstock.
[18:05:42] <ssi> the nameplate says 3-1/2 foot bed
[18:05:51] <ssi> but I think that's bed end to end
[18:05:54] <ssi> not between centers
[18:06:11] <andypugh> It looks to have enough metal in it.
[18:06:12] <ssi> and yeah that's right, looks like a 2-1/4"-8tpi spindle nose
[18:06:31] <andypugh> (unlike my Chinese pile of excrement)
[18:06:33] <ssi> I've heard nothing but good things about those machines
[18:06:49] <ssi> and for $1800 it's a good value, especially with three chucks
[18:06:56] <ssi> and those two set-tru buck 6-jaws are $600 chucks each
[18:07:18] <_methods> those machines are solid
[18:07:21] <andypugh> Lathe pricing is odd, as they get bigger they get cheaper, up to a point.
[18:07:25] <_methods> not as beautiful as a 10ee
[18:07:27] <ssi> heh yeha
[18:07:28] <_methods> but just as good
[18:07:32] <ssi> _methods: I'd LOVE to have a 10ee
[18:07:35] <ssi> but they're bananas money
[18:07:38] <_methods> heh mee too
[18:07:54] <_methods> yeah i saw 3 of them go at an auction 2 years ago for like $3k each
[18:07:59] <ssi> dang
[18:08:05] <_methods> if i had the money i would have grabbed them
[18:08:14] <ssi> machines are hard to impulse buy
[18:08:20] <ssi> even if you have the money, you may not have the space or the logistics :P
[18:08:44] <_methods> i could have stored it at the shop
[18:08:56] <ssi> this sb 10 is much smaller than I expected
[18:09:01] <ssi> it's about the size of my grizzly 10x22
[18:09:03] <ssi> but MUCH stouter
[18:09:12] <_methods> yeah they were pretty much the standard
[18:09:45] <ssi> It's looking like it has the exact same spindle nose as my hardinge
[18:09:48] <ssi> that'd be AMAZING
[18:09:53] <ssi> if I can just use the spare 6-jaw on the HNC
[18:10:24] <ssi> I've been wanting a chuck for that lathe for years
[18:11:02] <andypugh> About the same price, but delivery would be more expensive : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Harrison-L5-Centre-Lathe-Accessories-/201224396313?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item2ed9e89e19
[18:11:05] <archivist> hmm I spotted it has taper attachment too
[18:11:10] <ssi> archivist: yeah it does
[18:11:15] <andypugh> That’s nice.
[18:11:20] <archivist> ssi I have that on mine
[18:11:25] <ssi> I've never worked with one
[18:12:04] <archivist> mine is wartime vintage I think
[18:12:14] <Tom_itx> built to last
[18:12:38] <ssi> I toured the submarine in san francisco this year, and has a similar SB lathe onboard
[18:12:51] <ssi> maybe I'll put this lathe on my sailboat ;)
[18:12:54] <Tom_itx> alot of the machines i ran at one job were wwii surplus
[18:14:17] <ssi> I don't think this one is that old
[18:14:30] <Tom_itx> and in the back of the tool room were some WWII tooling 50 cal tooling still
[18:14:58] <ssi> it's definitely in good shape... ways are even, bright and clean
[18:14:58] <Tom_itx> was told the women ran them back then
[18:15:11] <andypugh> I have two 1930s lathes.
[18:15:12] <ssi> put a dial indicator on the spindle and it doesn't move perceptibly
[18:15:23] <ssi> cross slide is tight, minimal lash
[18:15:32] <ssi> tailstock doesn't sag
[18:16:19] <Tom_itx> andypugh the one in your living room?
[18:16:58] <andypugh> Yes, one in the living room (1936 Rivett 608) and a Colchester Triumph in my dad’s workshop.
[18:18:09] <andypugh> The Rivett is prettier than a South Bend, and 10x as expensive new, and probably no better in practice.
[18:18:34] <ssi> lol
[18:18:46] <andypugh> Have you seen the 608?
[18:18:53] <Tom_itx> i have
[18:19:00] <ssi> they definitely are pretty
[18:19:01] <Tom_itx> and the nice cabinet you made for it
[18:19:52] <andypugh> $2000 in 1936. What else would that buy you then?
[18:20:28] <jdh> a 10ee went for 1000 here a few months ago
[18:20:52] <andypugh> Why not to you?
[18:20:58] <ssi> andypugh: 57 ounces of gold
[18:21:06] <ssi> about $75k right now
[18:21:25] <andypugh> Sounds about right, a brand-new 10EE is $100,000
[18:21:29] <ssi> yep
[18:21:33] <ssi> which is absurd
[18:22:01] <ssi> although if you wanted to pay me to make you a 10EE by hand, that's probably about what the bill would be
[18:22:07] <jdh> too huge for my space
[18:23:20] <andypugh> I don’t think it is, if they make them to order.
[18:23:43] <andypugh> jdh: At $1000 you could sell it straight on at a profit. A big one.
[18:24:01] <ssi> andypugh: it's absurd in the sense that you can buy a lot more lathe for a lot less money
[18:24:15] <ssi> hell, you can buy a hell of a nice used 10EE for $20k
[18:24:58] <archivist> can you make enough stuff on a manual to pay back the 100k
[18:25:20] <andypugh> The problem I have with the 10EE is that, like all US lathes, the Z-feed handle is in the wrong place.
[18:25:30] <ssi> no the question is will a 10EE make you enough more productive than a much cheaper brand new lathe to justify the money
[18:27:15] <andypugh> It might depend. The Rivett 608 is a really productive lathe for one-off work as it takes no tools at all to make any adjustment to setup. Only the chuck needs a key, everything else is thumb-levers. I have hardly used mine, but when I did it was a pleasure.
[18:28:37] <archivist> for one off small stuff I think the schaublin 70 is most productive
[18:29:26] <archivist> the lorch I have now is a bit less productive
[18:29:53] <andypugh> Ha! You have a _woman’s_ lathes!
[18:29:59] <ssi> hahaha
[18:31:15] <ssi> another upside to this lathe
[18:31:19] <ssi> there's TONS of southbend parts available
[18:31:48] <ssi> that'd be a good candidate to really go through, clean up and paint, restore nicely
[18:31:49] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lorch
[18:34:46] <andypugh> The rivett takes 4NS collets: https://shophardinge.co.uk/search.aspx?str=4NS
[18:35:24] <andypugh> The South Bend takes 1A collets: https://shophardinge.co.uk/search.aspx?str=4NS
[18:35:37] <andypugh> Seems unfair :-)
[18:36:06] <ssi> lol
[18:36:12] <ssi> I don't know anything about 1A collets
[18:36:18] <ssi> this one seems to have a plain bore tho
[18:36:28] <ssi> and then there are collet adapters that you push into the nose
[18:37:01] <DaViruz> my mother always told me to not push stuff into the nose
[18:37:13] <archivist> or use morse taper collets
[18:48:49] <Computer_Barf1> watcha lathein
[18:51:01] <ssi> nothing currently :P
[18:55:26] <Computer_Barf1> I have a power supply that is missing a cover plate , so im currently drawing up a replacement
[18:55:55] <Computer_Barf1> I think im going to do a triangular hole pattern that I saw in the alien: isolation video game
[19:00:10] <XXCoder> assuming infinite budget, easiest way would be to use cnc puncher
[19:00:25] <ssi> I have one of those, oddly ;)
[19:00:58] <XXCoder> nice
[19:03:00] <XXCoder> I work right next to two cnc punchers
[19:03:09] <XXCoder> luckly I dont hear em anyway
[19:03:19] <XXCoder> but once a while boy can I feel em :P
[19:04:04] <ssi> not the best pic
[19:04:04] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MKVh4IYAAr_NV.jpg:large
[19:04:06] <ssi> but it's on the right there
[19:04:14] <Computer_Barf1> http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1365/13658182/2589188-alienisolation2_1404833866.jpg
[19:04:23] <XXCoder> boy that's tiny
[19:04:30] <ssi> yeah it's a small one
[19:04:30] <Computer_Barf1> you can see the triangular pattern I am trying to emulate on the left of this image
[19:04:33] <ssi> 19x26"
[19:04:39] <XXCoder> yeah pretty small
[19:04:43] <ssi> 18 station turret
[19:04:57] <XXCoder> comp yeah see it
[19:05:18] <XXCoder> huge for home though nice ssi
[19:05:30] <XXCoder> well or private shop anyway lol
[19:05:36] <ssi> well I dunno if I qualify as "home" anymore ;)
[19:06:36] <Computer_Barf1> cnc puncher, havn't heard of that. I would think that would stress the hell out of a gantry
[19:07:27] <XXCoder> I'd guess so too. though it is designed to be extremely strong
[19:07:44] <Computer_Barf1> yeah I imagine it would need to be.
[19:07:49] <Computer_Barf1> cool Idea
[19:08:05] <Computer_Barf1> I saw a cnc quilting machine online the other day. Mind blown.
[19:08:26] <XXCoder> yeah think you was here while we was chatting about cnc sewing machines
[19:09:19] <Computer_Barf1> i don't remember when it came up or from who but it triggered seeing lots of neat stuff. Some of the robot arm ones that do leather were amazing
[19:09:37] <XXCoder> I was one who found few of those
[19:09:47] <XXCoder> I was googling cnc (random word)
[19:10:22] <Computer_Barf1> Also , i saw a leather cutting machine that actually projected onto the leather , so they could optimally select useable sections of the leather to cut out
[19:10:47] <XXCoder> nice
[19:11:09] <andypugh> I just tried “CNC Cheese Cutting”. There are many more suppliers than I guessed.
[19:11:18] <Computer_Barf1> kind of overkill for a normal cnc machine, but gave a really cool interactivity with the actual workpiece
[19:11:21] <XXCoder> wow gonna google THAT
[19:12:55] <andypugh> Computer_Barf1: For a one-off try your local laser cutter. I have found that often a laser-cut part is less than the sheet of material to make it from. (though you don’t get the rest of the sheet for later)
[19:13:39] <XXCoder> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Dairy-cutter-cheese-cutting-machine_1908211321.html?s=p
[19:15:23] <Computer_Barf1> call them and ask how long they have been in the cheese cutting buisness
[19:15:38] <Computer_Barf1> ask them how big can they cut the cheese
[19:15:52] <XXCoder> or hoe long lol
[19:16:47] <Computer_Barf1> yes, given that they are chinese, you could probably extend that prank quite a bit
[19:17:17] <XXCoder> "How big and long can it cut cheese?"
[19:17:29] <XXCoder> "does it stink up while cutting cheese?"
[19:17:31] <andypugh> The logo seems to indicate that they really are talking about cheese.
[19:17:45] <XXCoder> andy yeah and then they say it can also do other stuff
[19:18:43] <andypugh> Maybe there really is a market in custom cheese profiles.
[19:19:02] <XXCoder> you'd have to ensure food safety though
[19:19:09] <XXCoder> so I guess specialized stuff for that
[19:20:04] <_methods> flatulence is rampant in the cheese cutting bizness
[19:20:29] <XXCoder> cutting cheese while cutting cheese
[19:20:34] <_methods> hehe
[19:28:19] <XXCoder> everyone at cheese factory cuts cheese and cuts cheese too
[19:32:37] <andypugh> I believe you may be using an idiom with which I am unfamiliar.
[19:33:27] <Tom_itx> yeah it's merican thing probably
[19:34:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:34:34] <XXCoder> other ones is colon flute
[19:34:52] <XXCoder> methine factory
[19:34:56] <Tom_itx> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cut%20the%20cheese
[19:35:00] <XXCoder> stink bomb
[19:37:58] <_methods> oh is that an american term
[19:38:06] <_methods> thought everyone called it cuttin the cheese lol
[19:38:57] <XXCoder> nah was kidding on last one
[19:39:09] <XXCoder> colon flute really is one of em, but uncommon
[19:40:55] <andypugh> http://www.gumtree.com/p/lost-found-stuff/tesco-inverurie-wednesday-/1088822688
[19:41:54] <_methods> only a good fart can create true love
[19:42:00] <andypugh> (I heard that quoted on Radio 4)
[19:45:15] <XXCoder> you havent had a good fart till people around you could taste it
[19:48:18] <_methods> wow man when i was a kid i remember we were in the video rental store and my dad dropped a bomb
[19:48:23] <_methods> this poor little girl walked into it
[19:48:27] <_methods> and she started crying
[19:48:41] <_methods> her dad ran over
[19:48:59] <_methods> picked her up and was like what's wron.................oh my GOD
[19:49:06] <_methods> ran out of the store
[19:49:18] <andypugh> Gosh, how earthy you Americans are.
[19:49:55] <_methods> we're good at droppin bombs what can i say
[19:50:09] <Tom_itx> don't judge all due to the few
[19:56:56] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, i got the chips off the boards last night. maybe i can get with you one of these days...
[20:18:23] <XXCoder> _methods: lol
[20:20:27] * LeelooMinai lols at latest eevblog mailbag
[20:20:36] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/KFNZ1N7.jpg :)
[20:29:13] <LeelooMinai> lol, and one guy insists there's a swastika on the german open-source schematic
[20:29:41] * LeelooMinai squints
[20:29:42] <PetefromTn_> jeez that sounds about right
[20:30:03] <LeelooMinai> O, wait... I thought I was in the electronics channel:)
[20:30:22] <LeelooMinai> Sorry! Going there with this weird EE stuff:)
[20:53:06] <_methods> wow any of you guys played with the autodesk fusion 360 cnc toolpath creation?
[20:53:10] <_methods> it's free
[20:53:14] <ssi> not yet
[20:53:17] <ssi> I've been wanting to mess with it
[20:53:19] <_methods> the modeling is kinda painful
[20:53:22] <ssi> I went through some of the cad tutorials
[20:53:27] <_methods> but the toolpath creation is pretty damn good
[20:53:48] <_methods> not having hotkeys is really kinda irritating
[20:53:51] <_methods> but whatever for free
[20:54:01] <ssi> there's no hotkeys at all? :P
[20:54:08] <_methods> looks like it even does full 3d toolpath generation
[20:54:15] <ssi> nice
[20:54:22] <_methods> scallops
[20:54:24] <_methods> spirals \
[20:54:24] <ssi> is it free free? or free trial
[20:54:27] <_methods> free
[20:54:30] <ssi> what I have is a free trial
[20:54:32] <ssi> then it wants a subscription
[20:54:34] <_methods> i grabbe teh startup version
[20:54:41] <ssi> ah
[20:54:49] <ssi> did you have to do anything special to get that?
[20:54:54] <_methods> wow it has a ton of post processors too
[20:54:56] <_methods> nah
[20:55:02] <_methods> i just said startup/student
[20:55:08] <_methods> and voila
[20:55:11] <ssi> neat
[20:55:20] <_methods> holy crap
[20:55:25] <_methods> it has like 40+ posts
[20:55:40] <ssi> anything that looks useful for linuxcnc controlled machines?
[20:55:46] <_methods> sure
[20:55:54] <_methods> i mean just use a standard fanuc post
[20:55:57] <LeelooMinai> Free and standalon or some kind of free plugin?
[20:56:10] <_methods> this is more valuable to someon that is using an original controller
[20:56:29] <_methods> wow even has a bridgeport post
[20:56:33] <_methods> all this for free that's silly
[20:56:53] <_methods> wow even a meldas post
[20:57:14] <LeelooMinai> It's not free as I can see
[20:57:18] <LeelooMinai> $25 per month?
[20:58:02] <_methods> click on startup or non commercial use and it's free
[20:58:11] <_methods> or go ahead and pay them i dont care
[20:58:28] <LeelooMinai> CLick where?
[20:58:49] <LeelooMinai> I can see "download free trial" only
[20:58:59] <LeelooMinai> But trial suggests it's not free
[21:00:03] <_methods> wow it's got a pretty spiffy nc editor too
[21:00:52] <_methods> some editor called brakets looks alot like sublime
[21:01:03] <LeelooMinai> Seems like it's some kind of "cloud" software with "free" version being a bait:)
[21:02:30] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7z6xipkbg1bv9x/fusion360.PNG?dl=0
[21:02:47] <_methods> toolpath and gcode post from a standard fanuc post processor
[21:03:21] <renesis> leeloominai: so the funniest part about that letter (which is prob fake) is that the manager says he hand picked the sample from the assembly line and QA'd it before sending
[21:03:35] <renesis> which is exactly what you dont want to happen
[21:04:04] <LeelooMinai> renesis: Yes, and that "sample" was pretty terrible - it must be a joke:)
[21:06:19] <LeelooMinai> _methods: All I have found is that you download the trial and after 30 days you have to pay - so that's not that exciting.
[21:08:18] <renesis> we would get engineering samples of mechanical parts, batch of 5, reject one or two
[21:08:30] <renesis> we later found out they were running batches of 100 and sending the best 5
[21:09:08] <renesis> so like, the shit we would reject 20-25% of was their hand picked best
[21:09:09] <_methods> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/pricing
[21:09:37] <_methods> see that writing.....those word things that say do i qualify for free?
[21:09:44] <_methods> those word things mean something
[21:10:04] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Right, so where is that free for non-comercial purposes option?
[21:10:23] <_methods> wow
[21:10:27] <LeelooMinai> _methods: That's only students and some startups - inividual still has to pay
[21:11:37] <_methods> well i'm a student for life
[21:11:39] <_methods> so i qualify
[21:11:53] <LeelooMinai> I doubt they would accept that:)
[21:11:59] <_methods> well they did
[21:12:09] <_methods> i'm using it now for free
[21:12:35] <LeelooMinai> No idea what you are saying there
[21:13:03] <PetefromTn_> _methods So how do you find it?
[21:13:08] <_methods> find what?
[21:13:14] <PetefromTn_> what are you used to using in your shop?
[21:13:23] <PetefromTn_> the software..
[21:13:28] <_methods> oh i use solidworks and mastercam at work
[21:13:37] <_methods> but this is great for hobbyists and stuff
[21:13:39] <PetefromTn_> and how does this compare?
[21:13:46] <_methods> ahh it's kinda clunky
[21:13:49] <_methods> but it's good to go
[21:13:52] <_methods> i'd recommend it
[21:13:52] <LeelooMinai> _methods: I don't see how it is great for hobbyists...
[21:14:00] <PetefromTn_> how does it seem clunky
[21:14:04] <_methods> no hotkeys
[21:14:10] <os1r1s> _methods: I think it has the same toolpaths as hsm, which you can get as an addon for solidworks
[21:14:10] <_methods> kinda simple interface
[21:14:14] <_methods> cut down options
[21:14:24] <_methods> yeah the pathing is very full featured
[21:14:30] <_methods> i was expecting 2d toolpaths only
[21:14:36] <LeelooMinai> If a hobbyist is not a student, they cannot get it for free, so not a good deal
[21:14:38] <_methods> but they have all kinds of 3d pathing
[21:14:39] <os1r1s> _methods: I wish there was a non-commercial version of hsm
[21:14:47] <PetefromTn_> how are the tapping and lead in options?
[21:14:56] <_methods> leadin options great
[21:15:03] <_methods> i didn't see tapping yet
[21:15:04] <os1r1s> _methods: Can you suck in a solidworks file?
[21:15:07] <_methods> i just d/l it tonight
[21:15:15] <_methods> i just installed it sorry
[21:15:20] <_methods> i'm not sure yet
[21:15:22] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[21:15:39] <_methods> not seeing many options for import
[21:15:54] <_methods> looks like it has some great "vault" options for collaboration
[21:16:16] <PetefromTn_> always looking for reasonable priced alternatives..
[21:16:28] <LeelooMinai> Great for them maybe, to control the customers:)
[21:16:38] <_methods> you can't beat this pricing
[21:16:48] <_methods> and the pathing features are pretty good
[21:16:56] <os1r1s> _methods: If you could import, that would be a great deal
[21:17:00] <_methods> yeah
[21:17:26] <PetefromTn_> can you work directly with 3d parts or do you have to import 2d files and create 3d paths from them?
[21:17:28] <_methods> li think you can
[21:17:32] <_methods> i just odn't know how
[21:17:38] <_methods> it's 3d
[21:17:53] <_methods> ahhh yeah you can import
[21:17:54] <renesis> you can import stl?
[21:17:56] <_methods> just upload model
[21:18:12] <_methods> let me tryin upping a sldprt
[21:18:55] <renesis> i should try it
[21:18:57] <_methods> well it let me upload
[21:19:07] <renesis> free for students is ++yay
[21:19:10] <_methods> it's not bad like i said so far my only bitch is no hotkeys
[21:19:15] <_methods> free for startups too
[21:19:34] <renesis> how they define startup
[21:19:38] <_methods> no idea
[21:19:39] <renesis> why isnt leeloominai a startup
[21:19:39] <os1r1s> _methods: If you can get the solidworks file to import (and be usable), that would be great
[21:19:42] <_methods> but i'm a starut plol
[21:19:48] <_methods> i'm tryin now
[21:19:53] <_methods> looks like it's hanging
[21:19:59] <LeelooMinai> A lot of software has free versions for students, but that's meaningless for most hobbyists
[21:20:48] <_methods> i just tried to upload an stl and now i got 2 parts stuck uploading halfway lol
[21:21:45] <_methods> oohhh 75%
[21:21:49] <_methods> maybe it will work lol
[21:22:11] <renesis> leeloominai: are you in america?
[21:22:18] <LeelooMinai> Canada
[21:22:27] <renesis> take a community college course
[21:22:31] <_methods> yep imports work
[21:22:35] <renesis> nice
[21:22:40] <renesis> you tried sldprt?
[21:22:48] <_methods> yeah still waiting on that i think
[21:22:51] <_methods> the stl made it
[21:22:54] <renesis> what worked?
[21:22:55] <renesis> awesome
[21:23:10] <_methods> yep sldprt from solidworks made it
[21:23:18] <_methods> yep works
[21:23:58] <os1r1s> _methods: And it recognized all the features? Not just an STL type import/
[21:24:07] <_methods> yeah i'll probably recommend this to anyone "starting out" from now on
[21:24:32] <_methods> nah it brought the solidworks part in as 1 body
[21:24:39] <_methods> no feature tree
[21:24:52] <_methods> wow
[21:24:59] <_methods> it has a feature recognition
[21:25:05] <_methods> running now
[21:25:19] <renesis> installing
[21:25:45] <_methods> heheh feature recog didnt work so well
[21:25:52] <_methods> but who cares at least you can import
[21:26:56] <_methods> this is a no brainer for people that want to learn
[21:27:06] <_methods> you can model and make toolpaths all in one package
[21:27:15] <renesis> how does it do toolpaths?
[21:27:22] <renesis> it doesnt mention in the features page
[21:27:24] <_methods> it has a full cnc package
[21:27:33] <_methods> cam
[21:27:33] <renesis> no shit
[21:27:34] <_methods> yeah
[21:27:38] <_methods> it's insane
[21:27:44] <_methods> 40+ post processors too
[21:27:45] <renesis> hopefully this works out for them
[21:27:48] <renesis> autocad is dead
[21:28:12] <_methods> even has a nice cam simulator
[21:28:35] <renesis> has a decent tool library?
[21:28:38] <_methods> yeah
[21:28:54] <_methods> it actually had about 8 libraries
[21:28:56] <renesis> if this works im happy
[21:29:03] <_methods> i think 4 of them were for the tutorials
[21:29:13] <renesis> saves me having to decide which budget cam i hate least
[21:29:40] <_methods> yeah
[21:29:57] <_methods> well the modeling part is just ok
[21:30:06] <_methods> but the pathing for a budget product
[21:30:08] <_methods> insane
[21:30:08] <renesis> i dont care i have solidworks student license
[21:31:00] <renesis> creating acct
[21:31:52] <_methods> wow they even have 2d adaptive toolpaths
[21:31:55] <_methods> nuts
[21:32:32] <XXCoder> wow this is nuts lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BpLjdrZFtkY
[21:38:36] <LeelooMinai> What would be a decent runoff on a cnc spindle?
[21:38:59] <LeelooMinai> By decent I mean something ok for cnc milling
[21:57:17] <tjtr33> re ploymer cast machine bases and flat table surfaces ( all in one heh ) http://cncbridges.com/mmb85265.htm
[21:57:33] <tjtr33> just cleaning up a pile of links
[22:01:20] <LeelooMinai> I actually thought about the same idea - using flat bars separated to make t-slots. They can be easyliy removed and adjusted.
[22:01:46] <LeelooMinai> COuld even use steel for them probably
[22:02:19] <LeelooMinai> I like this design
[22:04:48] <LeelooMinai> No need to deal with long diffult cuts too
[22:05:21] <LeelooMinai> I will call it "cymbal" desing:)
[22:06:49] <LeelooMinai> E, wait, no - xylophone:)
[22:12:36] <tjtr33> xylo is greek for wood tho, try metallophone ( hmm not cute )
[22:13:24] <LeelooMinai> Well, there's a lot xylophones made from metal
[22:13:34] <tjtr33> try gamelan :)
[22:14:36] <LeelooMinai> I must calculate now aluminum vs stainless steel vs cold-roled steel
[22:14:50] <LeelooMinai> Which would be most economical
[22:15:48] <LeelooMinai> Using 0.5 inch flat bars for alimunum and 0.25 for steel
[22:16:15] <LeelooMinai> aluminum*
[22:16:23] <LeelooMinai> Seems like cold-rolled steel
[22:17:37] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, still $100 for the xylophone pieces alone:/
[22:22:09] <roycroft> i dislike cold rolled steel
[22:22:37] <LeelooMinai> Why so? I thought it's supposed to be flatter than hot-rolled
[22:22:52] <roycroft> it's difficult to machine and it moves around when you start machining it
[22:22:54] <PetefromTn_andro> It warps easy...
[22:23:21] <LeelooMinai> Ok, so what material would you suggest for those "xylophone pieces"?
[22:23:25] <roycroft> the cold rolling process work hardens it and adds a lot of internal stress that gets released when you start machining it
[22:23:30] <roycroft> platinum
[22:23:40] <roycroft> that would make great xylophone pieces
[22:23:54] <roycroft> but seriously
[22:23:58] <roycroft> i would consider brass
[22:23:59] <LeelooMinai> I mean for a table design like this: http://cncbridges.com/images/IMG_0636a.JPG
[22:24:39] <PetefromTn_andro> I actually have a digital machinist magazine article where a guy makes an electronic xylophone using aluminum bars
[22:24:39] <roycroft> oh
[22:24:43] <roycroft> cast iron or hot rolled steel
[22:24:54] <roycroft> the latter being a lot easier to find
[22:25:15] <LeelooMinai> Base would be from stainless steel - but not too thick, because I happen to have it, then I will form the table with resin + pebbles + sand and on top those pieces to form t-slots
[22:28:14] <LeelooMinai> At least that's the current plan
[22:28:14] <roycroft> i use enough ss that my rule is valid - only use ss where it's absoutely necessary
[22:28:14] <LeelooMinai> Would 0.25 steel be enough?
[22:28:14] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if t-slot tables have some specific dimentions for the height of those slots
[22:28:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Are we still discussing the table for your cnc router?
[22:28:14] <LeelooMinai> Yes
[22:28:53] <roycroft> if you clean it up and put way oil on it when you're finished using it it will never rust
[22:28:58] <LeelooMinai> So I would just need to keep protecting it with some 2d-40 or who knows what?
[22:29:05] <roycroft> way oil
[22:29:05] <LeelooMinai> wd*
[22:29:31] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, probably hot-rolled steel will be sheapest, let me see
[22:29:32] <PetefromTn_andro> I wonder if you could just find some aluminum tee slot table bodies like they put on those Chinese routers online for a good price
[22:29:43] <roycroft> or just buy some 80/20
[22:30:05] <LeelooMinai> It's expensive to buy it in Canada
[22:30:06] <roycroft> hot rolled won't be flat
[22:30:19] <roycroft> but cold rolled won't be flat either
[22:30:27] <roycroft> nor will aluminium, nor stainless steel
[22:30:32] <roycroft> nor platinum, for that matter
[22:30:40] <roycroft> you make it flat after you install it
[22:30:40] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but it will be supported in few places and I could maybe flaten it latter with the cnc itself?
[22:30:49] <PetefromTn_andro> Mic6 is decent flat
[22:31:19] <LeelooMinai> COuld use even maybe some "shims" under those pieces to get them flat?
[22:31:33] <roycroft> that looks like a small table
[22:31:59] <roycroft> the best thing, if you really need it flat, would be to assemble it and then take it to a machine shop with a surface grinder and have them make it flat for you
[22:32:00] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I just want to do similar design - in terms of those flat bars there
[22:32:06] <roycroft> it will be flat within a tenth if you do that
[22:32:14] <roycroft> but if this is a router you probably don't need it to be that flat
[22:32:32] <roycroft> see
[22:32:40] <roycroft> the first thing you need to do is define "flat"
[22:33:23] <roycroft> if 0.002" is ok, you can probably do it with hot rolled steel and cleaning it up in place
[22:33:46] <PetefromTn_andro> I would probably just get a piece of 3/4 Mic 6 plate and have it drilled and tapped the full width so you even have hold down points outside of your machining envelope
[22:33:49] <roycroft> if 0.001" is what you need, you can still do it in place, but you have to be really careful
[22:34:29] <roycroft> if you need better than that, then you need to run it under a surface grinder, or learn how to make a scraper and use it
[22:34:32] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_andro: O, that's a great idea:) Let me pick up a plate like this from a tree growing in my backard - I think it sprouts those periodically:p
[22:35:04] <LeelooMinai> Last time I asked for mic6 quote here for my table they wrote $888:)
[22:35:13] <PetefromTn_andro> Save pennies....deliver papers....mow lawns....etc etc.
[22:35:16] <roycroft> what materials are you planning to machine on this thing, and what tolerances do you need to hold?
[22:35:43] <LeelooMinai> aluminum - nut sure about tolerance as it will probably depend on a project
[22:35:51] <roycroft> how much is it going to weigh?
[22:35:54] <roycroft> the whole machine
[22:36:17] <LeelooMinai> I already built the machine - I am just planning on a table
[22:36:54] <LeelooMinai> The table is movable
[22:36:58] <LeelooMinai> 21 by 21 inch
[22:36:59] <roycroft> if the whole machine weighs less than 500lbs you're going to have to take very light passes to machine aluminium with it
[22:37:02] <roycroft> very very light passes
[22:37:47] <LeelooMinai> I saw people machining aluminum with tiny cnc machines
[22:38:08] <LeelooMinai> I am sure they did not weight even 100 lbs:)
[22:38:26] <roycroft> taking really light passes on small parts is not annoying because it doesn't take very long, even though there are lot of passes
[22:38:45] <roycroft> on a decent size part you'll get really impatient because it might take hours to machine something
[22:39:17] <roycroft> it all depends on what you're doing
[22:39:29] <roycroft> but with a 21x21" table it seems you want to machine large parts
[22:40:09] <LeelooMinai> Not necessarily - this is just my "cnc platform" to try different things, but designed to be able to mill alu
[22:40:46] <PetefromTn_andro> It's a good size for a lot of things
[22:41:40] <LeelooMinai> If I will have something that can benefit from cnc and it will fit, I will just use it, but I did not really plan for something very specific.
[22:42:40] <LeelooMinai> I may try many things with it - routing pcbs, milling alu parts, maybe even attach a laser to cut acrylic in some future
[22:42:50] <PetefromTn_andro> You should try to visit some local machine shops and ask them if they could sell you a small piece of plate like that you might be surprised what they sell it for especially if you bring a dozen donuts and tell them about your machine project....
[22:42:59] <roycroft> i'm not trying to be negative or discouraging
[22:43:22] <LeelooMinai> A, mythical "local machine shop" - not sure if they exist where I live:)
[22:43:32] <roycroft> just trying to help you with some design considerations you may not be familiar with
[22:43:39] <LeelooMinai> I do all my shopping pretty much online
[22:43:53] <PetefromTn_andro> There are small machine shops almost everywhere
[22:43:53] <roycroft> there's not an automotive machine shop nearby?
[22:44:05] <roycroft> every town with more than about 3000 people has one
[22:44:16] <roycroft> if they can flatten a head they can flatten your table
[22:44:25] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: Well, as I said, I already built the cnc - that is all it's missing is table and the actual spindle part - need to save some money and decide on those
[22:44:38] <PetefromTn_andro> No you want a cnc machines shop fab shop job shop etc.
[22:44:40] <LeelooMinai> But I have this resin-table + flat bars plan for now
[22:44:55] <roycroft> those aren't as common as automotive machine shops
[22:45:06] <roycroft> so in a tiny town the auto machine shop is more likely to be found
[22:45:16] <roycroft> but yes, a proper job shop would be preferred
[22:45:18] <PetefromTn_andro> They are around here...
[22:46:50] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, hot rolled one with 0.25 thickness would be only $53
[22:46:58] <LeelooMinai> That's not too bad
[22:49:32] <tjtr33> machine shop = tool & die shop, mould shop ( CA sez mould for mold ) the route from detroit to toronto is full of 'em
[22:49:58] <roycroft> and the ones near detroit are all very hungry
[22:50:24] <tjtr33> not on CA side of river, thats where all that work went
[22:54:40] <XXCoder> hey LeelooMinai
[22:55:27] <XXCoder> roycroft: is it because machine would move as gantry (or table) does?
[22:55:33] <XXCoder> if too strong force and light weight
[23:16:04] <PetefromTn_andro> Lost my damn flash drive today somewhere in the house and tore the whole freaking place apart looking for it LOL
[23:16:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Never did find the damn tiny son of a bitch hehe
[23:17:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Luckily I recently downloaded everything on it to a file on my laptop
[23:17:38] <PetefromTn_andro> So had to buy a couple new ones..
[23:18:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Someone needs to build them with a cowbell or whistle or something on em
[23:29:18] <LeelooMinai> Is AC spindle the only sensible choice for aluminum milling?
[23:34:52] <XXCoder> dunno
[23:34:56] <XXCoder> any table plans yet?
[23:35:31] <LeelooMinai> ROughly something in this fasion: http://cncbridges.com/images/IMG_0636a.JPG
[23:36:10] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:36:14] <LeelooMinai> Because I can handle building it with simple tools
[23:36:15] <XXCoder> whats blue p[art made from?
[23:36:44] <LeelooMinai> I want to use resin + granite pebbles + sand - so I guess that's epoxy granite type
[23:37:04] <LeelooMinai> I think the blue part on that picture is made from something similar
[23:37:22] <XXCoder> theres cheap method online
[23:37:33] <XXCoder> using rotten grinite. lots cleaning needed
[23:37:52] <XXCoder> problem is its bulk only o you have to pay bunch but you can make a LOT afterwards.
[23:37:54] <LeelooMinai> NO idea what is rotten granite:)
[23:38:09] <XXCoder> like granite but weathered
[23:38:26] <XXCoder> http://www.cracked.com/article_21776_5-insane-christian-movies-you-wont-believe-arent-parodies.html
[23:38:28] <XXCoder> oops
[23:38:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWG0vNmKIQ
[23:41:02] <LeelooMinai> I would try to clean those pieces with ultrasonic cleaner:)
[23:41:32] <XXCoder> problem you need to KEEP sand too
[23:41:35] <XXCoder> seperate em
[23:41:38] <XXCoder> so yah
[23:42:33] <LeelooMinai> They sell all sorts of pebbles for gardens in stores - I wondered if I could just use those and mix them with playground sand
[23:43:11] <XXCoder> from what I understand few stuff is needed
[23:43:20] <XXCoder> different sizes stuff, lots surface bind em together
[23:43:29] <XXCoder> so dont use smooth anything I would think
[23:43:45] <XXCoder> plenty of garden pebbles not smooth though
[23:43:51] <LeelooMinai> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/king-1-2-gravel-30-kg/902211
[23:44:03] <LeelooMinai> They write it's "crashed stone"
[23:44:04] <XXCoder> decompsited granite seems very cheap though just very big bag
[23:44:20] <LeelooMinai> But they have it in different sized
[23:44:29] <XXCoder> cool
[23:44:39] <LeelooMinai> And very cheap as you can see
[23:45:15] <XXCoder> very
[23:53:01] <[cube]> hey guys, any idea what the hell brand this is?
[23:53:02] <[cube]> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDQ1MA==/z/kboAAOSwKrxUaM0d/$_20.JPG
[23:53:30] <[cube]> unfortunately the only photo I have
[23:53:47] <XXCoder> looks either new pr restored
[23:53:54] <[cube]> brand new apparently
[23:53:55] <XXCoder> all black is bit odd
[23:54:07] <XXCoder> odd
[23:54:08] <[cube]> well, "never used"
[23:54:14] <XXCoder> no
[23:54:16] <XXCoder> er
[23:54:27] <XXCoder> nos I think
[23:54:32] <XXCoder> "new old something)
[23:54:40] <XXCoder> forgot what last word is supposed to be
[23:54:53] <LeelooMinai> new old stock?
[23:54:58] <XXCoder> ahh yeah
[23:55:13] <[cube]> guy didnt answer my email
[23:55:17] <[cube]> when I asked what brand
[23:55:34] <[cube]> he's asking $1200, can probably offer $1000
[23:55:51] <[cube]> I need something small-ish
[23:56:08] <[cube]> this looks to be mid-sized and not too hard to transport