#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-11-16

[00:00:18] <[cube]> dont do anything stupid or get a dui or anything normal 20'year-olds are doing these days :P
[00:00:21] <XXCoder> i worked at various places that has pretty secure info requirements
[00:00:24] <[cube]> that'll come back to bite ya
[00:00:28] <XXCoder> I used to intern for FBI
[00:00:35] <XXCoder> well volunteer more like
[00:00:44] <[cube]> neat
[00:00:57] <XXCoder> and I worked at non-tech field rekated work at ywca
[00:01:09] <XXCoder> I still cant tell you where some buildings are
[00:01:18] <shaun314> Nope I don't have any crime record lol
[00:01:23] <XXCoder> other job I cant tell you who lives there and such
[00:01:27] <XXCoder> fun
[00:02:00] <XXCoder> I got long and weird work history
[00:02:10] <shaun314> Hm
[00:02:21] <[cube]> better than 40 years in some stale cubicle
[00:02:27] <shaun314> You all from Canada?
[00:02:34] <[cube]> ontario here
[00:02:39] <[cube]> born/rasied
[00:02:42] <XXCoder> cube but much less retirement savings and such
[00:02:47] <XXCoder> im pushing 40 and nothing
[00:02:58] <shaun314> Ouch
[00:02:58] <[cube]> what's your main gig now?
[00:03:08] <XXCoder> cnc milling and sucjh internship
[00:03:10] <[cube]> yea as a contractor i learned to save up
[00:03:16] <shaun314> I hope you save yourself
[00:03:17] <[cube]> 0 ebenfits
[00:03:18] <XXCoder> I hope I finally end with decent paying job
[00:03:33] <[cube]> but you can asking for a hell of a lot more than full time ppl
[00:03:33] <[cube]> :)
[00:03:39] <XXCoder> nice
[00:03:51] <shaun314> Don't count on any retirement Benefit anyway
[00:03:59] <[cube]> yeah no shit
[00:04:08] <shaun314> Ss won't exist in 20 years
[00:04:24] <shaun314> Pensions are going away
[00:05:18] <[cube]> XXCoder just become the best at what you do
[00:05:26] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:05:30] <[cube]> eventually u start ur own deal
[00:05:44] <[cube]> my buddy with all those machines...
[00:05:47] <[cube]> started in his garage
[00:05:53] <shaun314> Yeah
[00:06:06] <[cube]> mind you, he had like 20 yrs experience at a huge telecom company as a model maker
[00:06:16] <shaun314> I want to do that
[00:06:18] <[cube]> but he was able to apply that knowledge and build a multimil company in a few years
[00:06:24] <[cube]> (also had help with loans)
[00:06:30] <shaun314> Have a biz like that
[00:06:59] <[cube]> and the reason he started a shop was because he was laid off
[00:07:15] <[cube]> i worked at the same company
[00:07:23] <[cube]> shaun314, you might know it (Nortel) :P
[00:07:36] <shaun314> No
[00:07:49] <shaun314> Oh yes
[00:07:52] <shaun314> Ok
[00:08:09] <XXCoder> contacts can be worth gold
[00:08:15] <XXCoder> expecially if youre contractor
[00:09:35] <shaun314> Yeah
[00:09:50] <shaun314> I need an internship
[00:10:01] <shaun314> Hmm anyone know a place in nj
[00:10:29] <XXCoder> no but you can check out dvr
[00:10:35] <XXCoder> they may have contacts
[00:11:36] <shaun314> Heh
[00:11:42] <shaun314> Contracts?
[00:12:31] <XXCoder> no. they dont provide jobs themselves they help you find work
[00:12:38] <XXCoder> you don't know what DVR is?
[00:12:53] <shaun314> No
[00:14:15] <XXCoder> hmm may not apply to you
[00:14:26] <XXCoder> may be nice link tpo check out http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/
[00:14:56] <shaun314> Oh
[00:15:18] <shaun314> Heh
[00:15:33] <shaun314> I need an engineering internship
[00:16:45] <XXCoder> check out your teachers
[00:16:50] <XXCoder> they may know something
[00:17:19] <[cube]> above all else, learn everything you can
[00:18:12] <[cube]> another benefit to building and having your own machines
[00:18:21] <shaun314> I don't have machines
[00:18:25] <shaun314> Wish I did
[00:18:29] <[cube]> lol
[00:18:37] <[cube]> im not saying go out and buy machines...
[00:18:44] <shaun314> I can't afford them
[00:18:49] <[cube]> but its good if you can, and want to, and can justfiy it, and need it
[00:19:04] <shaun314> I have a negative networth
[00:19:06] <shaun314> !
[00:19:17] <shaun314> Lol
[00:19:56] <[cube]> you could always get into welding
[00:20:04] <[cube]> but i've heard that is a tough career
[00:20:15] <shaun314> Why
[00:20:21] <XXCoder> underwater welding
[00:20:23] <shaun314> I'm doing engineering
[00:20:24] <shaun314> ...
[00:20:29] <[cube]> i duno, just unforgiving
[00:20:31] <XXCoder> you would last only few years but pay wow
[00:20:32] <[cube]> working your way up
[00:20:35] <[cube]> dealing with fumes
[00:21:00] <shaun314> Yah
[00:21:02] <[cube]> and when you start you're probably goign to be doing assembly line type stuff
[00:21:10] <[cube]> tack this, tack that, next, repat
[00:21:13] <[cube]> *repeat
[00:21:18] <shaun314> What
[00:21:27] <shaun314> I'm not a welder
[00:21:29] <shaun314> Gahj
[00:21:45] <XXCoder> engineer or machinist?
[00:21:51] <XXCoder> those have quite different meaning
[00:22:08] <shaun314> Engineering...
[00:22:12] <[cube]> usually the engineers run the shop from the nice corner office ;)
[00:22:18] <shaun314> I'm in college
[00:22:26] <shaun314> Aerospace
[00:22:34] <shaun314> I'm just interested in machining
[00:22:40] <[cube]> sounds fun
[00:22:43] <shaun314> Lol
[00:22:47] <[cube]> i studied aviation in college too
[00:22:54] <[cube]> well, not too
[00:22:56] <shaun314> You obviously haven't done engineering school
[00:22:57] <XXCoder> heh IT and CS here
[00:23:01] <shaun314> If you think it's fun
[00:23:10] <[cube]> yeah, i'm not an official engineer by any means
[00:23:14] <shaun314> Lol
[00:23:39] <[cube]> i have a friend who's an engineer, and i'd be surprised if he could use a screwdriver properly
[00:23:48] <shaun314> Its like a buttrape with sandpaper and vinegar
[00:24:07] <shaun314> Cube... Yeah I've observes that in a club I'm in
[00:24:15] <shaun314> No one knows how to build stuff...
[00:24:18] <shaun314> It's bad
[00:24:25] <[cube]> you bascally have to just become good yourself
[00:24:29] <[cube]> sound slike you're on the right path
[00:24:30] <XXCoder> what the heck does engineer do anyway
[00:24:33] <shaun314> What's this thing?... Uhh it's a dremel
[00:24:58] <shaun314> What's this? Uhh it's a scroll saw.. And no you can't use the coarse tooth blade to cut balsa wood
[00:25:11] <[cube]> hah
[00:25:21] <shaun314> True story
[00:25:33] <shaun314> I made them go buy new blades
[00:25:36] <shaun314> Lol
[00:25:57] <[cube]> you wanna hear something funny
[00:26:01] <shaun314> K
[00:26:05] <[cube]> my girlfriend of 1 yr dumped me yesterday
[00:26:13] <[cube]> because i spent more time building a 3d pritner, than with her :P
[00:26:19] <[cube]> that's the kind of dedication you need!
[00:26:29] <shaun314> Hey I have 2
[00:26:33] <shaun314> Printers
[00:26:34] <[cube]> haha, good, good
[00:26:37] <[cube]> oh
[00:26:38] <[cube]> lol
[00:26:38] <shaun314> Lol
[00:26:43] <XXCoder> I have parts of cnc router home havent built it :P
[00:26:52] <shaun314> I want to make a router
[00:27:00] <shaun314> Seems more useful
[00:27:05] <[cube]> yeah the hardest part is getting started XXCoder
[00:27:13] <XXCoder> it is.
[00:27:19] <shaun314> Send them to me xxcoder
[00:27:23] <shaun314> I'll make it
[00:27:27] <[cube]> once you're in a good mode it'll materialize fast
[00:27:28] <XXCoder> sure $1000 plus shipping
[00:27:36] <shaun314> Nah
[00:27:42] <[cube]> i reache da poitn where i could start using the machine, but wires and ratsnest everywhere
[00:27:54] <shaun314> I don't have that money
[00:27:57] <[cube]> and wasnt motivated to make it 'look pretty'
[00:28:01] <shaun314> Cube. Good your done
[00:28:05] <shaun314> Lol
[00:28:06] <[cube]> haha
[00:30:43] <XXCoder> lol
[00:55:15] <Tecan> cube your suposed to pull that trick on her first
[00:55:24] <Tecan> within first 3 months usually
[00:56:33] <Tecan> or atleast have the option
[00:57:07] <zeeshan-MILL> couple hours of running
[00:57:17] <zeeshan-MILL> getting about 18000 ns jitter on servo thread
[00:57:27] <zeeshan-MILL> shouldnt be a big deal with 5i25 +7i77 right?
[00:58:57] <Tecan> 18000 sounds low
[00:59:06] <Tecan> must be running a good system
[00:59:29] <Tecan> 5i25 +7i77 is that intel ?
[01:00:42] <zeeshan> no its my old computer
[01:01:01] <zeeshan> asus a7v400mx
[01:01:10] <zeeshan> with athlon 3200+ processor and geforce 400mx card
[01:01:24] <Tecan> 1 core ?
[01:01:30] <zeeshan> yessir
[01:02:08] <zeeshan> and 5i25 and 7i77 are the mesa hardware
[01:02:39] <Tecan> 1 core seems to be the way to go with emc
[01:03:09] <zeeshan> my lathe computer is a dual core
[01:03:13] <Tecan> anyone tried on a 6 or 8 core for jitter calibration numbers ?
[01:03:42] <zeeshan> gets about 6000 ns
[01:03:53] <zeeshan> had to turn off a bunch of things though
[01:04:03] <zeeshan> i believe hyperthreading had to be turned off
[01:04:45] <Tecan> never thought to play with bios settings
[01:04:57] <Tecan> that might help some of my older shopboxes
[02:18:02] <Deejay> moin
[05:50:41] <Tom_itx> 19F and white.
[05:58:25] <Deejay> Tom_itx, where are you located?
[05:59:21] <Tom_itx> central US
[05:59:48] <Deejay> oh wow, and you have snow?
[06:00:13] <Deejay> here in germany its about 46°F
[06:23:09] <jdh> 43f in .nc.us
[06:46:15] <jthornton> warmed up here to 33f in swamp east missouri
[07:05:00] <archivist> global warming++
[07:19:12] <syyl> i reject global warming until i catch fire in the sun ;)
[07:25:12] <jthornton> yuck it is sleeting
[07:26:18] * syyl has to look up that word
[07:26:39] <Deejay> graupel?
[07:26:57] <syyl> ah
[07:27:38] <syyl> aka "people loose their ability to drive a car in a reasonable manner"
[07:27:39] <Deejay> or did you mean "yuck"? ;)
[07:47:47] <jthornton> or loose the ability to walk without falling down
[07:48:31] <archivist> I thought you used beer for that
[07:52:36] <jthornton> cognac works better than beer
[08:48:50] <Tom_itx> jthornton, looks like you won't get alot
[08:49:04] <Tom_itx> maybe 3" here
[08:49:15] <Tom_itx> radar looks like it's about done
[08:49:52] <jthornton> forcast is for rain, snow, sleet 90% for today and tonight and 30% for Monday
[08:50:23] <jthornton> with accumulation of 1"-3"
[08:50:45] <Tom_itx> put in motion... maybe it's heading your way :)
[08:51:09] <Tom_itx> i'll wait another hr or so to clear the walks
[08:52:01] <Tom_itx> 16F now
[08:53:18] <Tom_itx> record breaking low of 10 tonight
[08:53:37] <Tom_itx> 12 was set in 1903
[08:53:57] <Tom_itx> useless facts.
[09:15:54] <CaptHindsight> you guys have it worse than us up north
[09:17:31] <DaViruz> in sweden we have a quite agreeable 41°F and no snow at all, which is quite strange this time of year
[09:18:56] <CaptHindsight> if you watch the weather patterns from above the north pole you can see how it tends to wobble
[09:19:58] <CaptHindsight> last winter and currently you can see the low temps plunge over North America
[09:38:16] * Loetmichel has been sitting in his tshirt outside on the balcony today
[09:38:31] <Loetmichel> sun and 13°C
[09:38:39] <Loetmichel> ... and i live in germany...
[09:38:44] <Loetmichel> strange weather ;-)
[09:42:36] <Deejay> raining all the day :/
[09:46:33] <PetefromTn_> dull and dreary here today....and a bit chilly too.
[09:55:38] * SpeedEvil has been climbing on his roof and trying to get it mostly waterproof
[09:58:41] * archivist been fixing windows with a large amount of silicone goo last week to keep the rain out
[10:07:47] * PetefromTn_ has been doing some damn sheetmetal work trying to get his new AC installed LOL
[10:08:30] * PetefromTn_ has begun to realize that he needs to start equipping his shop with some sheetmetal machines hehe
[10:16:38] * SpeedEvil passes PetefromTn_ a cold chisel.
[10:19:46] * PetefromTn_ picks up the cold chisel and wonders what the hell he is supposed to do with it heh
[10:21:04] <SpeedEvil> With a vice, you can get a nice cut
[10:22:12] <PetefromTn_> I got some quality sheetmetal sheers here and while they are no replacement for a proper metal sheer machine it got the job done yesterday
[10:22:55] <PetefromTn_> I would like to get one of those pneumatic scissor sheetmetal shears tho.
[10:23:41] <CaptHindsight> the first sheer/brake you buy is never big enough
[10:24:22] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at one of those 3 in 1 brake sheer roll machines for what I do here it would probably be fine.
[10:24:33] <PetefromTn_> They make a 40 inch one that looks interesting
[10:24:44] <CaptHindsight> and a good corner notcher
[10:24:49] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: well - depends. there was a local ebay with an 8' shear.
[10:25:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the 30" version was on sale when I got it, wish I just gotten the 40 :)
[10:25:50] <PetefromTn_> oh you have one of those..
[10:25:55] <PetefromTn_> how does it work?
[10:26:29] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, the 30" 3 in1 is for very light metal only
[10:26:30] <PetefromTn_> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_623_623 was looking at that one locally
[10:26:38] <CaptHindsight> it's clunky
[10:26:49] <PetefromTn_> how so?
[10:27:10] <JT-Shop> that looks exactly like my Griz but in red
[10:27:29] <PetefromTn_> do you have the 40 inch one?
[10:27:34] <CaptHindsight> the stops it comes with are a joke
[10:28:02] <PetefromTn_> never used one...what stops?
[10:28:06] <JT-Shop> I have the 30" one
[10:28:43] <PetefromTn_> so it's a piece of chinese shit then?
[10:29:23] <JT-Shop> mine will roll and brake 22 gauge and shear 28 gauge
[10:29:54] <CaptHindsight> if you rework it or you take your time to get to know it you can get the job done, but don't expect lots of work through it
[10:30:07] <JT-Shop> the brake and roll are ok the shear is a bit finicky
[10:30:35] <CaptHindsight> I shear #22 stainless
[10:31:21] <PetefromTn_> full width?
[10:31:49] <CaptHindsight> I did batch of 24" wide recently
[10:31:54] <CaptHindsight> a batch
[10:32:08] <PetefromTn_> what would you say is the thickest you can brake if the parts were say 8-10 inches wide?
[10:33:31] <JT-Shop> I have this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/30-3-in-1-Sheet-Metal-Machine/G4011Z
[10:34:28] <PetefromTn_> is it all cast or is it made from plate steel?
[10:35:02] <PetefromTn_> the video they posted looks decent really. altho it is all thin sheet stuff.
[10:35:22] <JT-Shop> it's cast
[10:36:45] <JT-Shop> I also have this one http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_7902_7902
[10:37:20] <PetefromTn_> hm I started making something like that for my small shop press
[10:37:36] <JT-Shop> and this one too http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Pan-Box-Brake-12-Ga-/G0542
[10:38:05] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: 18ga cold roll is the heaviest I've used in it
[10:38:11] <PetefromTn_> you got a lot of Grizzly stuff huh...
[10:38:21] <JT-Shop> the press brake has a sloppy fit on the pin and pipe
[10:38:28] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the input guys
[10:38:34] <SpeedEvil> Sloppy fit
[10:38:37] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get under my house now and get some work done.
[10:38:46] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[10:40:04] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: with the pins being sloppy is it difficult to line up the material?
[10:40:48] <JT-Shop> not really, how close can you get with sheet metal?
[10:41:09] <JT-Shop> the pins are 0.040" smaller than the holes in the pipes
[10:41:32] <JT-Shop> I assume to prevent binding
[10:45:46] <JT-Shop> $150 to ship a 4lb box to Turkey via UPS
[10:46:02] <CaptHindsight> sounds about right
[10:46:21] <JT-Shop> USPS First Class $40
[10:46:26] <CaptHindsight> is it smaller than 9 x 11 x4?
[10:47:01] <CaptHindsight> I use the flat rate USPS boxes all the time for international
[10:47:19] <CaptHindsight> USPS might be 30 days
[10:47:24] <CaptHindsight> first class
[10:48:02] <JT-Shop> yea, it's 9 x 9 x 3
[10:48:36] <CaptHindsight> usps express international is 3-5 days for ~$80
[10:48:49] <JT-Shop> customer requested UPS
[10:48:50] <CaptHindsight> has to fit in the box and be under 20lbs
[10:49:37] <JT-Shop> I usually ship them in medium flat rate boxes
[10:49:39] <CaptHindsight> customs is always faster with UPS
[10:50:24] <JT-Shop> I ship a lot to Australia and it sits in customs for about a week there
[10:51:04] <JT-Shop> funny thing is all USPS even first class fly in the same plane to overseas
[10:52:26] <archivist> I got quotes to Poland once the highest being UPS, used some groupage carrier.....and UPS came to pick up!
[10:52:41] <CaptHindsight> last shipment to Turkey was similar, no USPS use UPS
[10:52:53] <CaptHindsight> Polaner
[10:53:16] <CaptHindsight> I ship it local to Chicago and they take it to Poland
[10:53:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.polamerusa.com/
[10:56:41] <CaptHindsight> I've taken stuff to the airport for Fedex. They even said that rates are based on groupage
[10:57:18] <CaptHindsight> the package might even be on the same plane as others with different rates
[11:46:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.365laptoprepair.com/ebay_images/3549_IBM-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T60-Motherboard-Metal-Frame-26R9342_1.JPG how much time to machine something similar?
[11:47:14] <archivist> ages
[11:47:45] <jasen> 20 min. on machining center
[11:47:47] <CaptHindsight> old thinkpad chassis
[11:48:19] <CaptHindsight> jasen: you think it could be that quick?
[11:48:21] <archivist> I wonder how many secs in the die casting machine <10 maybe
[11:48:26] <jasen> shure
[11:48:50] <jasen> on my center can be done for that time
[11:49:11] <jasen> but this partucular is casted , not machined
[11:49:13] <archivist> there is some very fine detail there
[11:49:13] <CaptHindsight> jasen: which machine?
[11:49:23] <jasen> mazak
[11:49:24] <CaptHindsight> the details could be reduced
[11:49:44] <CaptHindsight> and inside corners rounded
[11:50:20] <archivist> those will be clearing parts, I bet you cannot get near that speed
[11:50:24] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.head-fi.org/6/69/696b3284_50423.jpeg here's one with the mainboard still attached
[11:51:22] <CaptHindsight> I was thinking under an hour
[11:51:48] <archivist> per side?
[11:52:39] <CaptHindsight> they were designing to mold 100K's of them
[11:53:34] <CaptHindsight> if you were to redesign it for milling with fewer features it would speed it up
[11:54:15] <CaptHindsight> this is perfect for SLA
[11:55:11] <zeeshan> yo guys
[11:55:36] <archivist> may be faster to make a pattern and mold
[11:56:04] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/0OgAAOSwQM9UZmbL/$_20.JPG
[11:56:07] <zeeshan> this guy is selling this skid
[11:56:09] <zeeshan> for $225
[11:56:11] <zeeshan> i offered $150
[11:56:16] <zeeshan> he'll take that
[11:56:18] <zeeshan> what do you think?
[11:56:41] <zeeshan> those v-blocks are huge
[11:56:47] <zeeshan> but the thing im eyueing is the dividing head
[11:56:53] <zeeshan> and rotary table
[11:56:53] <archivist> snap his hands off
[11:57:37] <archivist> the two rotary things can make 150 each on fleabay on a good day
[11:57:40] <CaptHindsight> a steal
[11:59:12] <zeeshan> bah
[11:59:15] <zeeshan> im not gonna waste my time
[11:59:22] <zeeshan> he says "First come first serve -- another person is interested"
[11:59:27] <zeeshan> im not driving 100 km just to get owned
[11:59:35] <zeeshan> i even said ill paypal a deposit
[11:59:38] <zeeshan> said cash only
[11:59:38] <zeeshan> lol
[12:04:22] <CaptHindsight> did that once, drove an hour to watch somebody else had them some cash while I was pulling in the driveway
[12:04:28] <Rab> CaptHindsight, that chassis is designed for alloy casting with modeled stress concentrations etc. I don't know if a dimensional copy from milled billet could be expected to perform the same.
[12:05:00] <CaptHindsight> Rab: I'd probably SLA them
[12:05:58] <Rab> CaptHindsight, somebody's actually producing 100K+ new T60s?
[12:06:03] <CaptHindsight> and as i said it wouldn't be an exact cope, it would be redesign to match how it would be fabricated
[12:06:08] <zeeshan> rab why not
[12:06:14] <zeeshan> it'd prolly perform better! :P
[12:06:24] <zeeshan> if you dont break it while machining :D
[12:06:56] <shaun414> whats the least sum of money needed to get started in machining
[12:07:04] <CaptHindsight> they might make a few hundred to few K's
[12:07:42] <Rab> zeeshan, it might. I don't know a lot of machining or metallurgy, but it seems like with machining you're cutting without respect to the metal grain...might not be the strongest for a spiderweb like that.
[12:08:37] <CaptHindsight> the spider web is there for weight reduction
[12:09:13] <Rab> Yeah, so material matters...not sure milled aluminum will be as strong as (I assume) magnesium alloy in that configuration.
[12:09:20] <Rab> Just a thought.
[12:09:40] <CaptHindsight> I bet the pattern was chosen based on what the designer could have in there by lunch
[12:09:44] <zeeshan> you can think of billet
[12:09:46] <zeeshan> as isotropic
[12:09:57] <zeeshan> its not like sheet metal which is anisotropic
[12:10:32] <zeeshan> or casting where you'll have longer grains on the outside and smaller on the inside
[12:10:37] <zeeshan> (so not really isotropic!)
[12:10:50] <Rab> zeeshan, hmmm
[12:12:40] <Rab> CaptHindsight, Thinkpad T-series is highly regarded for its rugged chassis, and T60/T60p/T61p were a high water mark...I'd hope they put some thought into it. ^_^
[12:13:09] <zeeshan> is that magnesium
[12:13:13] <zeeshan> it doesnt look like aluminum
[12:13:35] <zeeshan> raB?!
[12:13:44] <Rab> I know T61p had magnesium components.
[12:14:12] <zeeshan> nice
[12:14:18] <Rab> Yeah, looks like it.
[12:14:25] <shaun414> OH thinkpad!
[12:14:32] <shaun414> i was wondering what u were talking about
[12:14:37] <zeeshan> shaun414: did you buy a lathe yet
[12:14:55] <shaun414> all thinkpads have magnesium rollcages
[12:14:58] <shaun414> no zeeshan
[12:15:12] <Rab> I have a bunch of magnesium Dell components, good fun to throw a couple on when there's a bonfire.
[12:15:24] <shaun414> lol
[12:16:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ilduvwx.jpg
[12:16:14] <zeeshan> we were throwing all sorts of shit in the fire
[12:16:18] <shaun414> perty
[12:16:21] <shaun414> cancer yay
[12:17:03] <Rab> Yeah, good to watch but not good to breathe.
[12:17:40] <Rab> CaptHindsight, maybe you can improve the design: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=103507
[12:19:35] <Loetmichel> *OUCHOUCH!* *juggling that 18650 cell* one should never let a battery and a steel tool be in the same space... notice the colours of the tabs... i just thougt: "Why is it suddenly smelling like hot metal?" *glowing tabs* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15380
[12:22:00] <shaun414> xpost
[12:32:39] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/MXEAAOSwIBBUZtOG/$_20.JPG
[12:32:40] <zeeshan> what is that
[12:32:51] <zeeshan> looks like some sort of deckel grinder
[12:33:17] <CaptHindsight> Rab: just looking at making some open x86 boards for retrofit into popular laptops
[12:34:42] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I see.
[12:34:57] <CaptHindsight> the plastic enclosures were there for aesthetics and insulation, the chassis provided most of the support
[12:36:06] <Rab> T61p might be a good target, it's dirt cheap on eBay and has a common 1920x1200 screen option.
[12:36:33] <CaptHindsight> yeah t60's
[12:36:59] <CaptHindsight> maybe X200's
[12:37:18] <CaptHindsight> http://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-15-certification-results/ looks like a scam
[12:37:43] <CaptHindsight> a mix of AMD and nvidia in the driver test results
[12:38:35] <CaptHindsight> and it's supposed to be Intel + nvidia
[12:39:28] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: looks like a deckel tool grinder
[12:39:52] <Loetmichel> "stichelschleifmschine"
[12:39:59] <Loetmichel> +a
[12:40:09] <ssi> readers choice on where to put the a
[12:40:17] <Loetmichel> "stichelschleifmaschine"
[12:40:19] <Loetmichel> better?
[12:40:21] <ssi> :D
[12:40:37] <ssi> I need four NAS428-4-13 bolts
[12:40:37] <CaptHindsight> it's like where's waldo
[12:40:50] <archivist> zeeshan, there are a number of copies
[12:41:57] <archivist> eg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alexander-tool-cutter-grinder-Genuine-Alexander-Manufacture-/191404022413
[12:55:27] <zeeshan> is it for regrinding end mills?
[12:55:55] <archivist> that is one application
[12:56:27] <syyl> main application is grinding single lip cutters
[12:56:31] <syyl> thats what its made for
[12:56:47] <syyl> but it can be used for a lot of other stuff
[12:56:50] <syyl> used and abused ;)
[12:59:35] <archivist> I sort of fancy one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/quorn-tool-and-cutter-grinder-/251715486006
[13:01:04] <syyl> i built a bonelle cutter grinder
[13:01:05] <syyl> sold it
[13:01:12] <syyl> and got a chinese deckel s0 clone ;)
[13:01:17] <zeeshan> wow
[13:01:18] <zeeshan> thats pretty
[13:02:26] <archivist> the bestest I have see is the dark blue http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=quorn
[13:03:15] <zeeshan> wow
[13:03:18] <archivist> that has lots of modifications to the basic design
[13:03:20] <zeeshan> thats an amazingly nice contrast.
[13:03:21] <zeeshan> dark blue
[13:03:24] <zeeshan> with polish
[13:03:34] <zeeshan> its almost as good as black on gold
[13:03:58] <archivist> I saw it again a month ago
[13:04:01] <zeeshan> can you grind ball nose end mills on that "deckel style" grinder?
[13:04:13] <zeeshan> (ie does it have a pivot)
[13:04:36] <zeeshan> also can you re-grind reamers? :P
[13:05:23] <archivist> I dont think the deckel is suitable for reamers
[13:06:29] <zeeshan> these grinders remind me of the question
[13:06:37] <zeeshan> that i've been asking on the lab writeups
[13:07:14] <syyl> you can grind ball end single lip cutters
[13:07:16] <syyl> and bullnose
[13:07:17] <zeeshan> "describe and illustrate two methods to hold a spherical non-hardened ball bearing on a milling machine to be drilled through its center"
[13:07:26] <zeeshan> theres one application of that there :D
[13:07:29] <zeeshan> all those fancy handles
[13:07:31] <syyl> multiflute cutters are a bit tricky
[13:07:34] <syyl> but can be done
[13:10:15] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: magnets!
[13:10:27] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: so many ways
[13:10:55] <archivist> I have to drill the ball on the end one day http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[13:11:04] <zeeshan> a perfect answer must have a consideration of dynamics
[13:11:17] <zeeshan> so theres an axial force of drilling, and a torque
[13:11:33] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: whats been the worst answer so far? Weld it to the table?
[13:11:33] <archivist> support it
[13:11:35] <zeeshan> so if you can resist both in whatever method you describe, its acceptable :P
[13:11:44] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you dont want to know
[13:11:45] <zeeshan> lol
[13:11:50] <zeeshan> the worst answer has been a "blank"
[13:12:06] <archivist> wax chuck is the clockmakers answer
[13:12:13] <zeeshan> archivist: so many methods
[13:12:18] <CaptHindsight> use a blank to hold them!
[13:12:19] <zeeshan> theres literally prolly 20 different way to do it
[13:12:53] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: which class is this?
[13:12:54] <zeeshan> my ways were drill a hole through a block, chamfer it. spray adhesive on the chamfer, put block
[13:12:59] <zeeshan> block = sphere
[13:12:59] <archivist> cheat, drill before it is made into a ball
[13:13:00] <zeeshan> and drill
[13:13:13] <zeeshan> another was using a fancy double v block
[13:13:18] <zeeshan> with compound angle
[13:13:38] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: it is one of the labs they have to do in their lab course
[13:13:47] <CaptHindsight> are custom fixtures allowed?
[13:13:51] <zeeshan> anything is allowed :P
[13:14:11] <zeeshan> we're just trying to make them think about the forces involved
[13:14:23] <zeeshan> and workholding resists those forces
[13:14:34] <zeeshan> and that theres many way to do it
[13:14:38] <CaptHindsight> do the balls still have to be round after drilling?
[13:14:44] <zeeshan> most students think you need a vise to hold parts on a mill..
[13:14:55] <shaun414> LOL
[13:14:58] * archivist hides the edm
[13:15:14] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: haha too many questions
[13:15:16] <shaun414> i saw some kid at my schools machine shop operating a lathe
[13:15:19] <zeeshan> just hoild the damn ball!
[13:15:20] <zeeshan> :D
[13:15:20] <shaun414> guess what he was doing..
[13:15:47] <shaun414> his arm with sweatshirt on, was reaching OVER a RUNNING lathe
[13:15:50] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: well I like to have all the specifics and boundaries
[13:15:55] <shaun414> over the chuck
[13:15:56] <shaun414> ..
[13:15:58] <shaun414> wtf man
[13:16:00] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you are too advanced for this lab
[13:16:02] <zeeshan> :P
[13:16:27] <zeeshan> my safety spheel is nice and short
[13:16:34] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: don't they have a safety class first?
[13:16:35] <zeeshan> i ask them what they think the most dangerous machine is in the shop
[13:16:39] <shaun414> yes CaptHindsight ...
[13:16:43] <zeeshan> 99% say the bandsaw
[13:16:46] <shaun414> lathe
[13:16:46] <shaun414> :p
[13:16:49] <zeeshan> i tell them, i agree with them
[13:17:06] <zeeshan> because most accidents consist of chopping off your finger and you'll feel the pain
[13:17:12] <zeeshan> so i agree it's dangerous because you'd recognize the pain
[13:17:16] <zeeshan> but on the lathe, you'll be dead
[13:17:20] <zeeshan> so you won't even remember it.
[13:17:21] <shaun414> well a bandsaw can chop a finger off, but a lathe can crush you
[13:17:22] <shaun414> :P
[13:17:24] <zeeshan> =)
[13:17:26] <[cube]> i think table saw is up there
[13:17:29] <shaun414> yeah
[13:17:39] <shaun414> maybe
[13:17:48] <shaun414> you may lose an arm
[13:17:59] <CaptHindsight> what if your shop has a Pinto parked in it?
[13:18:04] <shaun414> but you wont get sucked into a spinning vortex of 100s of pounds of steel
[13:18:07] <zeeshan> ROFL
[13:18:27] <[cube]> lol
[13:18:27] <shaun414> how is a bandsaw dangerous lol
[13:18:32] <[cube]> pinto and/or chevy cobalt
[13:18:35] <shaun414> just dont be a fuckwit
[13:18:51] <zeeshan> because you have to live with your chopped finger
[13:18:54] <zeeshan> on the lathe you're dead
[13:18:58] <shaun414> yeah
[13:19:01] <zeeshan> you wont be alive to care
[13:19:16] <shaun414> but who the f wears a sweatshirt then puts arm right over a spinning chuck
[13:19:19] <zeeshan> basically its a rhetorical safety speech
[13:19:19] <shaun414> like 2 inches
[13:19:32] <zeeshan> to make them realize theres a lot more worst things than having a chopped finger ... death
[13:19:46] <shaun414> then, put said arem UNDER the chuck while it was off..
[13:19:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan run a ball mill down into a pair of softjaws with them open .050"
[13:19:55] <Tom_itx> then clamp the ball in the hole
[13:20:05] <[cube]> shaun414: did you speak up
[13:20:19] <shaun414> no I wasnt in the shop, just saw from a window into it
[13:20:19] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: :D
[13:20:41] <Tom_itx> or a flatbottom em for that matter
[13:21:17] <ssi> pair of jaws with v grooves laterally and vertically would hold a sphere pretty well
[13:21:41] <zeeshan> yep
[13:21:53] <zeeshan> so many way to do it
[13:22:08] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: http://ibin.co/1hT4gwTBRhOf I used to tell people it was safer than most trucks since the gas tank was directly behind the seat where you can keep an eye on it. :)
[13:22:21] <shaun414> how much do machinists make?
[13:22:21] <zeeshan> haha
[13:22:21] <Tom_itx> question is.. what's the most efficient?
[13:22:30] <Tom_itx> shaun314 ALOT!
[13:22:34] <ssi> anyone know the difference between UNF and UNJF?
[13:22:37] <Tom_itx> monkeys make much less
[13:22:57] <Tom_itx> ^^ button pushers
[13:23:05] <shaun414> really?
[13:23:10] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: 15-30 /hr on most postings
[13:23:15] <shaun414> thats not ALOT
[13:23:40] <CaptHindsight> take a look at the job boards
[13:23:45] <Tom_itx> i was getting 35-50 for programming
[13:23:47] <CaptHindsight> it's really sad
[13:24:05] <shaun414> hm
[13:24:37] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: was that at a big shop? maybe aerospace
[13:26:44] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: http://www.indeed.com/q-CNC-Machinist-l-Aurora,-IL-jobs.html
[13:35:07] <CaptHindsight> the only source I see well made parts come from now are automation component suppliers and aerospace/military
[13:35:28] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight yeah
[13:35:39] <CaptHindsight> everything else seems to be made of crap or machined poorly
[13:35:44] <Tom_itx> they definitely pay more
[13:36:38] <Tom_itx> and the shop was further out from most
[13:36:46] <zeeshan> plastric injection molding
[13:36:47] <CaptHindsight> China must have figured out how mix just about anything into steel
[13:36:54] <zeeshan> is a highly precise industry too
[13:36:56] <ssi> they figured that out ages ago
[13:37:10] <zeeshan> why do you guys knock chinese steel
[13:37:12] <zeeshan> :D
[13:37:21] <Tom_itx> is it steel?
[13:37:30] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace
[13:37:39] <zeeshan> rofl ssi
[13:37:42] <CaptHindsight> some parts have been so soft I could drill them by hand
[13:38:01] <zeeshan> i think its cause they have a shitlaod of carbon
[13:38:08] <zeeshan> to the point it forms graphite nodules
[13:38:13] <zeeshan> and self lubricates :P
[13:40:05] <CaptHindsight> still no decent automation component suppliers out of China, only Taiwan
[13:41:08] <CaptHindsight> they are making millions of assembly robots, not sure who's making the positioners
[13:42:11] <zeeshan> man
[13:42:14] <zeeshan> it got cold fast this year
[13:42:21] <zeeshan> heater is on full blast in the shop
[13:42:32] <ssi> yeah :(
[13:42:35] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you get any snow?
[13:42:42] <zeeshan> its snowing like hell outside
[13:42:42] <ssi> it's even cold here, and it's never cold here
[13:42:48] <Tom_itx> don't burn down the shop on the first furnace firing...
[13:43:00] <Tom_itx> i blew mine out with the air hose
[13:43:20] <CaptHindsight> is that what they mean by central heat?
[13:43:24] <ssi> I'm going on a weeklong sailing trip in the gulf in three weeks, and I dunno what the weather's gonna do
[13:43:29] <zeeshan> i use electric heater
[13:43:44] <ssi> yesterday was the annual Gill clearance sale; friend and I went up there and spent all our dollars on foul weather gear
[13:43:54] <zeeshan> ssi can i come
[13:43:56] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10616257_10100524175725152_4976412784888578021_n.jpg?oh=32ac09bc8ef740c116ecc52ba7bc380a&oe=54D9C03A&__gda__=1427478853_de1346d312b5be6823f2a4ee51469bec
[13:44:00] <ssi> sure
[13:44:03] <zeeshan> ROFL
[13:44:16] <zeeshan> dude you look like you're in canada
[13:44:21] <ssi> heheh
[13:44:28] <CaptHindsight> heh
[13:44:42] <ssi> it's warm and WATERPROOF
[13:44:43] <zeeshan> im going to go out camping in december
[13:44:47] <zeeshan> it'll be fun
[13:44:53] <Deejay> cool outfit
[13:44:55] <zeeshan> something about freezing your ass off and having a nice camp fire
[13:44:57] <zeeshan> to warm up
[13:45:21] <Tom_itx> you can tell us about it... i think i'll stay in where it's warm
[13:45:32] <zeeshan> you gotta try it out
[13:45:39] <zeeshan> its fun
[13:45:43] <ssi> chances are good now that I spetn all that money that we'll have fair weather the whole trip :)
[13:45:44] <kengu> the selection of my sailing gloves, http://www.jokasafe.fi/en/granulated-gloves.html
[13:45:46] <CaptHindsight> still in the high 70's on the gulf
[13:45:50] <Tom_itx> i've froze my arse off many times duck hunting...
[13:46:05] <kengu> jokapolar and jokatherm are great
[13:46:12] <zeeshan> wow
[13:46:15] <CaptHindsight> but even Houston is in the 40's today
[13:46:16] <zeeshan> those are NICE gloves
[13:46:18] <ssi> mitteny
[13:46:25] <zeeshan> im liking the jokapolar.
[13:46:38] <zeeshan> how much do those go for?
[13:46:40] <zeeshan> they look very expensive.
[13:46:41] <Tom_itx> you go to galveston dot com and you can see the port
[13:46:48] <Tom_itx> they've got several cameras
[13:46:49] <humble_sea_bass> that reminds me, I gotta drain the hose bibs in the back yard lest they freeze and explode
[13:46:52] <zeeshan> kengu ?
[13:46:55] <kengu> zeeshan: not too expensive
[13:47:13] <zeeshan> 25 bux
[13:47:15] <zeeshan> noit bad
[13:47:18] <kengu> http://www.chssnowmakers.com/Joka%20Gloves.htm
[13:47:46] <kengu> yeah. there is not the "sailing" markup on them as those are used for "real" work also
[13:47:55] <zeeshan> these look great for camping
[13:47:58] <zeeshan> not gonna get wet either
[13:48:23] <ssi> kengu: that was the nice tihng about hitting that gill sale yesterday; everything was around 60% off
[13:48:42] <kengu> yeah
[13:48:48] <ssi> that offshore jacket is $295 normally, paid $119
[13:48:56] <ssi> bought a lighter spinnaker jacket too, and I can wear them together if necessary
[13:49:08] <ssi> plus bib overalls, pants, fleece midwear, baselayer stuff
[13:49:18] <ssi> a pair of high waterproof boat-soled leather boots
[13:49:25] <ssi> gloves, and a dry duffel
[13:49:26] <ssi> weeee
[13:49:45] <CaptHindsight> we don't wear gloves, hats or jackets here until it's <10F :)
[13:50:21] <ssi> I don't typically either, but getting wet with saltwater when you're offshore is a recipe for a bad week
[13:51:22] <CaptHindsight> it's not fun here, I'd rather be somewhere warmer
[13:51:34] <ssi> where's here?
[13:51:45] <CaptHindsight> Chicago area
[13:51:54] <ssi> full up with lake effect snow? :D
[13:52:16] <CaptHindsight> it's worse across the lake
[13:53:12] <shaun414> its cold in nj
[13:53:15] <shaun414> brrr
[13:53:57] <ssi> someone come wire all my machines for me
[13:54:14] <ssi> someone other than zeeshan... if he does it, the worldwide price of copper will go up
[13:54:26] <CaptHindsight> lol
[13:54:51] <ssi> I have zero interest in purchasing wire and pulling it :(
[13:55:39] <CaptHindsight> difficult to automate the wiring of harnesses
[13:55:59] <CaptHindsight> adopt and train some children
[13:56:15] <kengu> I was at _a_ hackerspace this weekend and there was a fireball v90 router waiting for some tlc, missing a spindle and home/limits
[13:56:31] <shaun414> a i want one of them
[13:56:32] <shaun414> :p
[13:56:45] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I'm just talking about mains
[13:57:07] <ssi> had to move all the machines down here, and now that means they all need power
[13:57:20] <ssi> also I need to find the box with all the parts to the mill, so I can put it back together
[13:58:36] <CaptHindsight> ssi: I'd help you if you were near
[13:58:38] <kengu> I tried printing a dremel adapter disc for the 70mm holder. but then I run out of time
[13:58:51] <CaptHindsight> need the exercise
[13:59:11] <ssi> it's gonna cost me $1000 just in wire :(
[14:14:49] <zeeshan> ssi fu
[14:14:54] <zeeshan> all my shit was designed based on amanuals
[14:14:58] <zeeshan> and thats what the power rating comes to
[14:26:39] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1hTOOVwFYejZ yikes, look at the weather map
[14:28:32] <shaun414> anyone have a used flir they are selling
[14:28:42] <humble_sea_bass> http://forecast.io/#/f/40.6455,-74.0124
[14:30:48] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: building a rocket?
[14:31:08] <humble_sea_bass> amateur F1 broadcasting
[14:31:18] <shaun414> maybe
[14:31:25] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvuBe6b2iVk
[15:06:18] * JT-Shop needs to clean the shop
[15:07:51] <Tom_itx> just stir up some dust and call it good
[15:09:40] <shaun414> ^
[16:05:43] <PetefromTn_> Well so much for installing our AC unit today... raining here and don't feel like getting soaked to do it.
[16:06:04] <JT-Shop> it's starting to sneet here
[16:06:14] <PetefromTn_> snirt.
[16:06:31] <JT-Shop> no snow and sleet at the same time
[16:06:34] <PetefromTn_> dunno what the weather is supposed to be next week
[16:06:38] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know
[16:07:34] <PetefromTn_> high is supposed to be 29 on tuesday...
[16:07:36] <PetefromTn_> lovely
[16:07:52] <PetefromTn_> WTF did winter get here without anyone telling me LOL
[16:09:35] <JT-Shop> damn global warming
[16:12:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:13:03] <XXCoder> north pole is warmer than ever
[16:13:14] <XXCoder> and its pushing down icy air into america
[16:15:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:16:28] <JT-Shop> I bet it is the elves that are pushing the cold air down
[16:16:55] <XXCoder> why not
[16:17:00] <SpeedEvil> Winter is coming.
[16:17:26] * SpeedEvil ponders rapid prototyping using ice.
[16:17:44] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[16:17:46] <PetefromTn_> that bites
[16:18:14] <JT-Shop> use Pykrete
[16:18:23] <PetefromTn_> I just heard that Pink Floyd is releasing their LAST album ever...at least as a group.
[16:22:44] <PetefromTn_> really wanted to get this AC unit installed today
[16:22:51] <PetefromTn_> but Oh well I guess not
[16:24:36] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: :)
[16:24:55] <SpeedEvil> I'd hoped to have half the house insulated by now.
[16:25:15] <SpeedEvil> Unforttunately, my health crashed in june, and I'm heating one (insulated) room again this winter
[16:25:51] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks man
[16:26:01] <PetefromTn_> is it a new house?
[16:27:07] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:27:28] <JT-Shop> SpeedEvil, bundle up and get a mattress heater pad
[16:28:34] <SpeedEvil> i've insulated one room with ~10cm of foam
[16:28:54] <PetefromTn_> where do you live?
[16:28:57] * JT-Shop wonders if I have any belleville springs laying about
[16:42:56] <SpeedEvil> Scotland
[16:51:23] * JT-Shop finds a ream of pin feed fan fold... scratch paper now
[17:09:21] <LeelooMinai> Guess what happens in the middle of thought "I should probably slow down with this tapping, it looks like it's gona break" :p
[17:11:35] <PetefromTn_> OOOhhh that bites.... Nothing worse than the sinking feeling after you break off the damn tap in a piece you just spent hours machining.
[17:11:38] <_methods> heheh welcome to the greatest experience in the world of machining
[17:11:55] <_methods> broken taps!!!!!
[17:12:04] <LeelooMinai> Well, it was m3 - I think those are easier to break.
[17:12:17] <_methods> they all break lol
[17:12:41] <LeelooMinai> I could get a hint when I noticed the sides of it were not straight any more
[17:13:09] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, is there some "kind" that is more resilient?
[17:13:11] <_methods> you were rigid tapping?
[17:13:19] <LeelooMinai> Like cobalt for drills, for example.
[17:13:20] <_methods> or hand tapping?
[17:13:30] <_methods> it depends on what you're doing
[17:13:38] <_methods> you have to use the right tap for the job
[17:13:50] <_methods> spriral flute, bottoming, thru hole
[17:13:54] <LeelooMinai> I was using my drill press and this tool that keeps the tap perpendicular - it has spring inside and pin that sticks out.
[17:14:01] <_methods> some taps are better than others
[17:14:10] <_methods> ahh so you were hand tapping
[17:14:28] <_methods> what were you using for lube?
[17:14:48] <LeelooMinai> This time nothing, but normally I use some transmission fluid.
[17:15:04] <_methods> well get yourself some anchor lube
[17:15:07] <LeelooMinai> I thought "this is tiny hole"...:)
[17:15:11] <_methods> if you're going to be doing a lot of tapping
[17:15:12] <PetefromTn_> tap magic and others are worth their price
[17:15:26] <LeelooMinai> I think I need to buy more of those m3 taps too...
[17:15:35] <PetefromTn_> I actually bought some stuff at ACE hardware that is decent too.
[17:15:36] <_methods> is it a thru hole?
[17:15:56] <_methods> i use anchor lube or moly-d
[17:16:13] <LeelooMinai> Yes, it was through hole - I was "producing" limit switches mounts for my cnc using T6061
[17:16:19] <PetefromTn_> I hear good things about Moly d
[17:16:28] <PetefromTn_> thought it was not available anymore
[17:16:45] <_methods> yeah aluminum likes to load the flutes
[17:16:53] <_methods> it will snap a small tap quick
[17:16:57] <LeelooMinai> Because my old tiny CHinese mounts had a strange feature - when NC they were not really NC:)
[17:17:02] <PetefromTn_> get a spiral flute or spiral point tap and use the lube of your choise
[17:17:04] <LeelooMinai> I mean limit switches
[17:17:06] <_methods> put some lube on it
[17:17:56] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I guess I had to break one tap, to get a feel for not doing it next time
[17:18:22] <_methods> yeah small taps are not very forgiving
[17:18:31] <_methods> got my baby all set up and rust cleaned off
[17:18:33] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/txeaxh175t9g3b2/2014-11-16%2013.22.26.jpg?dl=0
[17:19:15] <_methods> $500 with taper and milling attachment lol
[17:19:47] <LeelooMinai> I always wandered why lathes are considered such great tools - they can only deal with round objects, no?
[17:20:10] <_methods> you can do anything with them
[17:20:15] <_methods> lathe is more important than a mill
[17:20:30] <LeelooMinai> Right, I think I don't get it:)
[17:21:01] <[cube]> lathe is the only machine on the planet that can replicate itself
[17:21:03] <_methods> you can put an endmill in the spindle
[17:21:03] <LeelooMinai> Say, I want to make small enclosure for some project in alu - what would a lathe be good for?
[17:21:35] <cradek> you could make a nice round enclosure with a threaded lid
[17:21:39] <_methods> hahah
[17:21:43] <_methods> like a mac
[17:21:44] <LeelooMinai> lol, right
[17:22:02] <_methods> there are milling attachments that fit on the crossslide
[17:22:10] <LeelooMinai> That's what I was talking about - for me mill cnc seems more attractive
[17:22:14] <_methods> so you can put tooling in the lathe spindle and mill on the toolpost
[17:22:17] <_methods> not ideal
[17:22:20] <_methods> but it can be doen
[17:22:36] <PetefromTn_> methods Love the storm troopers man..!!
[17:22:41] <_methods> hahhah
[17:22:42] <_methods> thx
[17:22:46] <_methods> i was bored one night
[17:22:50] <cradek> you can turn a rectangular thing in a lathe
[17:22:57] <shaun414> hello
[17:23:22] <LeelooMinai> My CNC is not really operational yet, but I was wondering - how would one go to make some surface in alu, that is at some angle to the x-y plane, say 45 deg?
[17:23:26] <PetefromTn_> did you print a template or something?
[17:23:45] <PetefromTn_> tilt it in the vise?
[17:23:46] <_methods> i had a micro projector
[17:23:55] <_methods> and projected on to cardboard
[17:23:55] <cradek> you can use a sine bar in the vise to make all sorts of angles
[17:23:57] <_methods> then traced it
[17:24:02] <LeelooMinai> Would I need additional rotating axis, or I would do some line by line stepping, or maybe I would use special cutter?
[17:24:27] <_methods> you could use surfacing tool path
[17:24:29] <_methods> with a ball mill
[17:24:34] <PetefromTn_> if you need to machine an angled face onto a flat part you use 3d surfacing
[17:25:01] <cradek> or a bit of clever fixturing
[17:25:04] <cradek> or a 5 axis mill
[17:25:06] <LeelooMinai> Which is what in terms of what would machine do?
[17:25:10] <cradek> there are lots of ways to machine a cat
[17:25:16] <_methods> ^^
[17:25:34] <_methods> how much time do you have, how much money do you have
[17:25:51] <LeelooMinai> I mean "3d surfacing" sounds pretty generic
[17:25:53] <PetefromTn_> BOBA FETT!
[17:26:00] <_methods> yeah hahhaha
[17:26:01] <cradek> before the days of cnc people still made 45 degree angles
[17:26:22] <PetefromTn_> what kinda lathe is that again?
[17:26:28] <cradek> they even made arcs, which is actually a fairly hard thing to do without cnc
[17:26:30] <_methods> it's an old atlas
[17:26:33] <_methods> th42
[17:26:36] <LeelooMinai> I can make 45 angle in wood using a sharpened stone, but... :)
[17:26:38] <PetefromTn_> nice
[17:26:45] <_methods> i'm happy
[17:26:56] <_methods> i wanted a small tool room lathe
[17:26:59] <PetefromTn_> what is the laptop and mount for?
[17:27:05] <_methods> i would rather have gottan a small monarch
[17:27:11] <_methods> for my computer lol
[17:27:16] <PetefromTn_> 10EE!!!
[17:27:40] <LeelooMinai> I wonder what is that tool with huge spiral bit on the left for
[17:28:02] <PetefromTn_> you mean the hedge trimmer?
[17:28:04] <LeelooMinai> Or it's not spiral? I don't know - looks brutal
[17:28:09] <_methods> hahahha
[17:28:25] <_methods> hedge trimmer and copper pipe lol
[17:28:31] <_methods> look out for that combo
[17:28:37] <PetefromTn_> I have one just like that but I got rid of my hedges awhile back LOL
[17:29:02] <[cube]> almost cut my thumb off with one of those when i was 13
[17:29:07] <_methods> oh ouch
[17:29:07] <[cube]> still have the scars
[17:29:16] <PetefromTn_> damn things are dangerous
[17:29:22] <PetefromTn_> ;)>
[17:29:24] <LeelooMinai> No, but really, what do you make even with that lathe?
[17:29:33] <[cube]> i was holding it with one hand, snapped back and i instinctively grabbed it
[17:29:36] <shaun414> anyone selling any machine tools?
[17:29:41] <PetefromTn_> man you can make TONS of stuff with a decent lathe
[17:29:47] <shaun414> yeah
[17:29:49] <LeelooMinai> Yes, like what though:)
[17:29:50] <shaun414> i want one
[17:29:53] <shaun414> lathe
[17:29:54] <shaun414> :p
[17:29:56] <LeelooMinai> CHess set? :)
[17:29:56] <_methods> yeah i'll be putting the bearing journals on for my cnc mill
[17:30:09] <[cube]> shaun414: craigslist/ebay
[17:30:12] <_methods> parting ballscrew to length
[17:30:21] <_methods> on and on
[17:30:22] <PetefromTn_> I have built guns, tops, done barrel work, machined spacers, the list goes on and on.
[17:30:23] <shaun414> how much is a decent one?
[17:30:31] <[cube]> 2k
[17:30:39] <shaun414> hot damn
[17:30:40] <PetefromTn_> I got mine for $500
[17:30:40] <shaun414> nvmd
[17:30:46] <_methods> almost all power transmission components are round
[17:31:06] <PetefromTn_> but it needs some shit to be working sigh.
[17:31:09] <shaun414> he
[17:31:10] <[cube]> shaun414: get a job? :P
[17:31:11] <shaun414> 500?
[17:31:14] <shaun414> Im a student
[17:31:15] <shaun414> :p
[17:31:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:31:18] <shaun414> i will soon
[17:31:24] <[cube]> i worked through college
[17:31:26] <[cube]> it sucked
[17:31:30] <PetefromTn_> mines a used CNC lathe tho.
[17:31:31] <[cube]> but i got through it
[17:32:02] <PetefromTn_> then you should be able to get a job paying the big bucks and buy a restored 10EE to play with in your huge house' garage LOL
[17:32:03] <[cube]> pete that's a steal at $500
[17:32:17] <[cube]> rare find i'd say
[17:32:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[17:32:31] <PetefromTn_> which is why I drove all the way to Louisville to pick it up.
[17:32:42] <_methods> if you're patient and watch you can find some great deals
[17:32:45] <PetefromTn_> actually the deals are out there just gotta be ready with the cash
[17:32:51] <_methods> ^^
[17:32:53] <[cube]> yea
[17:33:00] <PetefromTn_> don't be afraid to low ball em :D
[17:33:03] <_methods> yep
[17:33:21] <[cube]> im thinking of going to tirekick this
[17:33:23] <[cube]> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-machinery/ottawa/kbc-milling-machine/1024553757
[17:33:27] <[cube]> and offer 1500 max
[17:33:33] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I want a storm trooper on my shops wall now damnit..
[17:33:35] <_methods> man i saw a great ikegai go at an auction one day for $800
[17:33:53] <PetefromTn_> ikegai are apparently nice machines
[17:34:00] <_methods> oh man it was great
[17:34:06] <_methods> i couldn't believe it went for that low
[17:34:14] <_methods> had a subspindle and everything
[17:34:15] <PetefromTn_> I think my new Standard Modern will be sweet once it is retrofit
[17:34:23] <PetefromTn_> SUBSPINDLE!!!!
[17:34:27] <PetefromTn_> HOLY smokes
[17:34:31] <_methods> yeah gang tooling though
[17:34:37] <_methods> but who cares
[17:34:40] <PetefromTn_> that is an amazing deal unless it was a complete piece of shit.
[17:34:47] <_methods> no it was in great shape
[17:34:52] <PetefromTn_> DAMN
[17:35:04] <PetefromTn_> you should have bought it and put it alongside that Atlas ;)
[17:35:06] <_methods> still had paint by the spindles inside
[17:35:33] <PetefromTn_> I always hear of deals like that but for the most part I have not seen one personally.
[17:35:37] <_methods> i would have loved to
[17:35:40] <PetefromTn_> I have gotten some nice deals tho.
[17:35:43] <_methods> auctions
[17:35:48] <_methods> i see crazy shit all the time
[17:35:48] <PetefromTn_> I bought my VMC for $1300.00
[17:35:53] <_methods> rotabs
[17:35:56] <_methods> all day
[17:35:58] <_methods> $300
[17:36:06] <shaun414> oh a 10ee
[17:36:07] <shaun414> :)
[17:36:10] <PetefromTn_> that is exactly what I need. A used fourth.
[17:36:10] <shaun414> those are sexy af
[17:36:22] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah they are
[17:36:38] <PetefromTn_> the most beautiful,overbuilt,sexy manual lathe ever made.
[17:37:11] <_methods> yeah i almost scored one for $1400 but someone outbid me at the last minute
[17:37:22] <PetefromTn_> what?
[17:37:34] <_methods> monarch
[17:37:38] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[17:38:23] <_methods> yeah
[17:38:27] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/12KMonarch1.jpg DROOL!
[17:38:50] <PetefromTn_> Look at that damn headstock man...
[17:39:05] <PetefromTn_> It is so massively overbuilt and beautifully curved.
[17:39:07] <_methods> they are beautiful
[17:39:13] <_methods> one day i'll get one
[17:39:20] <_methods> i'd love to do a restoration on one
[17:39:21] <PetefromTn_> look at the side of that apron
[17:39:29] <PetefromTn_> it is HUGE
[17:39:38] <shaun414> ahh
[17:39:46] <shaun414> someone get me a 10ee for christmas?
[17:39:54] <shaun414> or a hf lather, Im not picky
[17:39:56] <ssi> go find your own
[17:39:58] <ssi> :D
[17:39:59] <shaun414> :p
[17:40:09] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONARCH-10-EE-TOOLROOM-LATHE-/291255445554
[17:40:13] * ssi has surge and swiss cake rolls
[17:40:58] <PetefromTn_> http://s52.photobucket.com/user/Goodday2You/media/Dans%20Shop/South%20Bend%20Lathe/SB1.jpg.html
[17:41:01] <PetefromTn_> also nice
[17:42:07] <shaun414> sb is nice too
[17:42:08] <shaun414> yeah
[17:42:12] <PetefromTn_> man that blue one is nice....
[17:42:17] <LeelooMinai> I wonder if this kind of tap would be more forgiving: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HSS-CO-Cobalt-H2-Metric-Right-Hand-Spiral-Straight-Flute-Tap-Drill-M3-0-5mm-/231287952453?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d9d61445
[17:42:19] <_methods> yeah
[17:42:22] <PetefromTn_> 14k is probably a bargain for that thing
[17:42:30] <shaun414> http://images.mocpages.com/user_thumbnails/richard@autopartstimaru.com/www.brickshelf.com_gallery_RJBROWN_RJBROWN_MISCminifigs_lathe.jpg_SPLASH.jpg
[17:42:36] <shaun414> I might be able to afford this
[17:42:40] <shaun414> lego is expesnive tho
[17:43:23] <ssi> lol
[17:43:55] <PetefromTn_> look at Morse taps on ebay
[17:44:12] <shaun414> yeah
[17:44:13] <_methods> are you in china LeelooMinai
[17:44:18] <shaun414> chucks are like 300 bucks
[17:44:24] <LeelooMinai> No, Canada
[17:44:28] <_methods> oh lol
[17:44:31] <ssi> basically the same thing
[17:45:22] <Aero-Tec2> how is Canada like china?
[17:45:32] <ssi> is this a riddle?
[17:46:12] <_methods> their names both start with C and end with A?
[17:46:19] <PetefromTn_> I need to get some acrylic sheet like .3 or so thick for a reasonable price.
[17:46:25] <Aero-Tec2> ssi where do you live?
[17:46:38] <_methods> PetefromTn_: sign shops
[17:46:47] <_methods> they might have drops you can buy
[17:46:54] <PetefromTn_> Hm I actually know a guy who owns a sign shop
[17:46:54] <_methods> or scrap
[17:47:02] <PetefromTn_> It needs to be a foot square or so
[17:47:13] <_methods> yeah i'd try hittin a sign shop up
[17:47:15] <ssi> PetefromTn_: home depot sells .220" acrylic
[17:47:15] <PetefromTn_> onlinemetals has it
[17:47:18] <_methods> they go through lots of stuff like that
[17:47:36] <PetefromTn_> Home depot is a RIPOFF on those materials!!!
[17:47:50] <PetefromTn_> and besides it is not really thick enough
[17:47:50] <ssi> if you only need one piece, it's not enough of a ripoff to really matter
[17:48:07] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it is pretty bad ripofff
[17:48:29] <_methods> i always walk by the metal section at home depot for a good laugh
[17:48:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is ridiculous
[17:48:56] <PetefromTn_> but people buy it..
[17:48:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, and alternative places are what?
[17:49:22] <_methods> i'd rather rip rebar out of a bridge than pay homedepot prices
[17:49:46] <_methods> you can get metal from your local metal suppliers
[17:49:47] <PetefromTn_> I talked to a guy from Home depot one time and he said that they were going to start getting rid of the materials like steel and aluminum there but they just really cut it back
[17:49:51] <_methods> or go to local machine shops
[17:50:17] <PetefromTn_> makes you wonder how bad they are hiking the prices on other stuff...
[17:50:31] <_methods> you know it's the same
[17:50:33] <_methods> or worse
[17:50:35] <PetefromTn_> altho their prices for furniture plywood is not terrible really
[17:51:05] <PetefromTn_> I have done TONS of custom cabinet work and know what it costs me to buy from material suppliers for the most part at least in my area
[17:51:24] <_methods> they just have shit quality plywood
[17:51:25] <ssi> the prices aren't terrible, BUT
[17:51:26] <PetefromTn_> their prices are not that much higher really for hardwood plywood but the quality is not the same.
[17:51:45] <ssi> their chinese birch ply is much crappier than the chinese birch ply I can get for $4-5 cheaper at a lumberyard
[17:52:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah wholesale prices are not much lower really from my experience
[17:52:24] <ssi> I gave my next door neighbor all my good plywood
[17:52:26] <ssi> I didn't want to move it :P
[17:52:38] <PetefromTn_> I actually prefer to buy their bead board over the materials suppliers because I like the spacing and it is a bit cheaper at HD
[17:53:03] <PetefromTn_> believe it or not
[17:53:11] <PetefromTn_> their metal tho....Forget it.
[17:53:29] <ssi> yeah it's stupid
[17:53:59] <_methods> it's so bad it's silly
[17:54:06] <_methods> i laugh every time i walk by it
[17:59:09] <shaun414> machinists
[18:00:19] * JT-Shop listens to some Janis Joplin
[18:00:35] <shaun414> can you make decent money machining on the side?
[18:02:37] <JT-Shop> depends on your products and customers
[18:03:46] <PetefromTn_> define decent LOL
[18:03:49] <JT-Shop> now for something completely different some Kate Bush singing Coffee Homeground
[18:04:46] <PetefromTn_> unless she is with Peter gabriel I am not interested ;)
[18:04:55] <shaun414> idk
[18:05:06] <shaun414> How much can you reasonably make on the side/
[18:05:07] * LeelooMinai ordered on Co tap and two HSS for total of $5
[18:05:14] <shaun414> enough to pay for the tools?
[18:05:41] <LeelooMinai> I wonder how long it will take me to break them all
[18:05:49] <shaun414> :p
[18:06:02] <JT-Shop> I only like the one song by her
[18:06:18] <LeelooMinai> Kate Bush is a bit coocoo, but I like Wuthering Heights
[18:06:42] <JT-Shop> she does have some amazing range in her voice
[18:06:47] <_methods> how many holes do you have to tap?
[18:07:24] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Anchorlube-G-771-Cutting-Fluid-Bottle/dp/B00HLSUL1M
[18:07:31] <LeelooMinai> I did not really plan on the number of them in the future:) I bet a lot since m3 screws I use for random things on my CNC, ee projects, etc.
[18:07:35] <_methods> get you a bottle of that
[18:08:00] <_methods> you can tap granite with that
[18:08:03] <LeelooMinai> If I have to fix something small to something - m3 it is usually:)
[18:08:15] <PetefromTn_> LOL It's a miracle elixir...Snake oil
[18:08:18] <LeelooMinai> I actually have some alu tapping fluid
[18:08:30] <LeelooMinai> Was to lazy to use it today
[18:09:50] <_methods> you can't get moly-d anymore?
[18:10:28] * JT-Shop has never broken a tap if he looked at it first before tapping
[18:10:28] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I read something about it on PM
[18:10:30] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/CASTROL-MOLY-DEE-CF-98-885-7F-EXPEDITED/dp/B009NGKWLE
[18:10:44] <_methods> maybe i should get a gallon now lol
[18:10:47] <PetefromTn_> apparently they sell a new formula or something that is not as good.
[18:11:12] <_methods> ahhh
[18:12:45] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys think is the most beautiful sports style bike you ever saw?
[18:14:06] <PetefromTn_> or cafe racer, or street fighter etc
[18:14:09] <JT-Shop> my Turkish customer just paid his $150 USP shipping bill... now I can ship
[18:14:28] <JT-Shop> 2009 GL1800 in Blue!
[18:14:40] <PetefromTn_> wing?
[18:15:26] <_methods> i like the stuff that yaffe guy makes
[18:15:51] <jdh> Pete: http://tinyurl.com/kewz56r
[18:16:11] <shaun414> omg bikes in all channels
[18:16:18] <PetefromTn_> nice
[18:16:21] <PetefromTn_> is that yours?
[18:16:27] <jdh> it is.
[18:16:28] <PetefromTn_> ti?
[18:16:31] <shaun414> nice bike
[18:16:33] <shaun414> can I have it?
[18:16:37] <jdh> ti. no.
[18:16:42] <shaun414> lol
[18:16:49] <shaun414> you make it?
[18:16:57] <jdh> no, seven did.
[18:17:17] <shaun414> oh
[18:17:31] <[cube]> shaun414, normally in life you have to earn things. people don't just give you shit ;)
[18:17:46] <shaun414> oh I was just asking
[18:17:50] <shaun414> never hurts
[18:17:50] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, yea
[18:18:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20999%2005%20%203.jpg This thing gives me a hard on for some reason. I cannot afford it but I am thinking I gotta have one LOL.
[18:18:20] <jdh> that's pretty sexy
[18:18:21] <shaun414> oh it is sexy
[18:18:34] <PetefromTn_> I know right.
[18:18:42] <jdh> that's some dis
[18:18:44] <PetefromTn_> I have ridden a few Ducati's
[18:18:44] <jdh> disc
[18:18:50] <PetefromTn_> never owned one
[18:19:00] <PetefromTn_> had about 14 different sportbikes over the years
[18:19:15] <PetefromTn_> but that one has got to be one of the most beautiful looking bikes I ever saw.
[18:22:10] <PetefromTn_> I think they come stock with full floater brembo disks at both ends
[18:29:06] <JT-Shop> I rode my wing to Key West this summer pulling my Can Am trailer 3100 miles round trip
[18:29:15] <LeelooMinai> I wonder if I should attach some box with buttons to the front of my cnc.
[18:29:20] <PetefromTn_> how come you did not ride your can am?
[18:29:28] <LeelooMinai> Some kind of "oh shit" button maybe?
[18:30:22] <malcom2073> LeelooMinai: Like an estop?
[18:30:36] <PetefromTn_> no man Oh-Shit!!
[18:30:45] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[18:30:48] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:30:57] <malcom2073> Typically yelled anyway when scrambling for the estop button :P
[18:31:05] <LeelooMinai> Yes, something other that is common to put there?
[18:31:49] <LeelooMinai> Because if I have to attach some box there, I can as well add other switches, controls, or whatever.
[18:32:30] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, the wing is more comfortable and actually handles better and has better brakes
[18:33:53] <shaun414> you guys flying?
[18:33:54] <LeelooMinai> Or I could just attach one button like this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/SHANDE-QUALITY-emergency-stop-push-button-switch-e-stop-with-NC-silver-alloy-contact/879299937.html
[18:34:07] <shaun414> flying away?
[18:35:59] <PetefromTn_> I am sure.. I rode a wing once and it was both comforatble and surprisingly quick.
[18:38:12] <JT-Shop> they really handle well for a 900 lb bike
[18:38:20] <JT-Shop> and get 45 MPG
[18:39:40] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you ever listen to Leon Redbone?
[18:41:07] <PetefromTn_> no not really
[18:44:39] <JT-Shop> I wonder what the Pink Floyd album will sound like
[18:46:17] <PetefromTn_> apparently it is made up of some of the music they recorded for the Division Bell album and had music from Richard Wright before he died. It is called Endless River
[18:47:49] <JT-Shop> just listening to it now on putube
[18:48:35] <PetefromTn_> If it is anything like Division Bell I will have to own it.
[18:49:51] <JT-Shop> I've not heard Division Bell
[18:50:12] <JT-Shop> I don't think I've bought an album in 20 years LOL
[18:50:41] <JT-Shop> If it is anything like the wall I will like it
[18:51:10] <PetefromTn_> The Endless River broke the record for the most pre-ordered album in Amazon UK's history
[18:51:34] <ssi> it won't be anything like the wall
[18:51:36] <PetefromTn_> it is honestly not that much like the wall... It is better in my view
[18:51:49] <PetefromTn_> it is more laid back and peaceful somehow
[18:52:14] <PetefromTn_> I must have listened to it a thousand times now since we bought it.
[18:52:39] <JT-Shop> I'll have to get it and listen to it
[18:52:57] <CaptHindsight> The Wall is 35 years old in two weeks
[18:53:20] <PetefromTn_> it's funny I went upstairs earlier to check on my wife and she had it on our studio monitor speakers in our bedroom while she was folding clothes...
[18:53:22] <ssi> is that all?
[18:53:40] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall
[18:54:09] <PetefromTn_> I loved the Delicate Sound of Thunder too.... On the turning away was very nice.
[18:55:10] <JT-Shop> I used to listen to the wall on my Sony Walkman while flying back and forth to Africa every month... really made the flights better
[18:55:13] <PetefromTn_> My wife and I were talking about this earlier, I wonder.....when they are no longer able to or willing to make music. what artists today will be the ones who make music LIKE not necessarily the same as Pink Floyd?
[18:55:52] <PetefromTn_> I mean the kind of mellow music that you can enjoy for hours and hours...
[18:56:22] <JT-Shop> I can't even understand music from this decade
[18:56:38] <JT-Shop> it all just seems like noise or rap
[18:57:10] <ssi> JT-Shop: you sound SO OLD right now ;)
[18:57:12] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying that there are NOT musicians today who have the same magic but just who exactly would be similar that is worth listening to?
[18:57:30] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: whyd you go to africa
[18:57:44] <JT-Shop> I worked on an oil rig
[18:57:51] <zeeshan> ah cool
[18:57:56] <JT-Shop> ssi, I am old
[18:58:06] * ssi carefully gets off JT's lawn
[18:58:22] <JT-Shop> I've been riding motorcycles since '68
[18:58:55] <JT-Shop> no worries it's too cold to drag the cannon out
[18:59:01] <CaptHindsight> I was really surprised to see rap/hip-hop last so long
[19:00:06] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeATvJpBpe4
[19:00:28] <SpeedEvil> hmm - that's notthe mix i was thinking of
[19:00:30] <_methods> yea it doesn't seem to be going away lol
[19:00:33] <PetefromTn_> Hey man I saw Florence and the Machine open for U2...
[19:00:40] <PetefromTn_> she is actually pretty good
[19:00:53] <CaptHindsight> she has an amazing voice
[19:01:06] <PetefromTn_> She wore a long flowing dress and ran around that MASSIVE stage barefoot the whole time
[19:01:15] <JT-Shop> sweet
[19:01:18] <SpeedEvil> Top 40 is in many cases simply lack of imagination.
[19:01:20] <CaptHindsight> Florence Welch
[19:01:51] <ssi> fwiw, every decade had its share of crap music... the crap just doesn't get remembered
[19:02:23] <PetefromTn_> ain't that the truth.
[19:02:23] <JT-Shop> lol
[19:03:29] <JT-Shop> I remember the greatest hits of Marty Robbins... my dad wore out a dozen albums playing them
[19:03:52] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:03:58] * JT-Shop heads inside
[19:04:33] <CaptHindsight> Led Zeppelin has been in the press a lot lately
[19:04:55] <CaptHindsight> after being quiet for so long
[19:05:52] <SpeedEvil> That's not always a good thing.
[19:05:57] <SpeedEvil> Gary Glitter, for example.
[19:06:37] <ssi> lol
[19:07:29] <CaptHindsight> Led Zeppelin Loses First Round in ‘Stairway to Heaven’ Lawsuit
[19:08:03] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8eAOiccxs LOL this is the ACTUAL concert we saw on the same night so we were somewhere in the audience about six rows back behind the stage
[19:08:53] <CaptHindsight> how was the audio?
[19:09:02] <PetefromTn_> LOUD!!!
[19:09:04] <PetefromTn_> heh
[19:09:22] <CaptHindsight> outdoor venues tend to be better than indoor the past 30 years
[19:09:31] <PetefromTn_> cellphones always get drowned at live concerts.
[19:10:14] <CaptHindsight> heh, I would have left after Florence was over
[19:10:49] <PetefromTn_> then you would have missed the best part :P
[19:11:10] <CaptHindsight> U2 pre 1990?
[19:11:25] <renesis> capthindsight: line arrays ftw
[19:11:48] <renesis> also better low frequency efficiency
[19:12:31] <renesis> also, fuuuuuu @ stairway lawsuit
[19:12:36] <CaptHindsight> I stopped going to live venues when all they could do was turn it up to 11
[19:12:43] <CaptHindsight> rock venues anyway
[19:13:01] <renesis> i think big problem is two way speakers and metal compression drivers
[19:13:21] <renesis> like, they have to cross them low because the 12" and 15" drivers in two way break up horrible in the mids
[19:13:23] <CaptHindsight> big bands and orchestras can never be too loud
[19:13:33] <renesis> so the compression drivers are run at resonance
[19:13:38] <renesis> the ring, horribly
[19:13:50] <renesis> and accordian or violin will make them scream
[19:14:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY wish I could have been there 10000 singing Beethoven - Ode an die Freude
[19:14:19] <renesis> also harmonica
[19:14:22] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79RNW_ZERn8
[19:14:28] <PetefromTn_> Cool live from that night!!
[19:14:57] <renesis> that sounds pretty good
[19:15:25] <CaptHindsight> EL and LED's in his jacket
[19:15:44] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have seen a bunch of live concerts over the years but that was a great night. It was hot as hades there tho..
[19:19:25] <renesis> petefromtn_: co2 jets are great for the heat
[19:19:54] <renesis> before music box shut down and was turned back into the fonda theater, they had bunch of co2 jets installed on the front edge of the balcony
[19:20:07] <CaptHindsight> do the sound engineers understand what distortion is?
[19:20:19] <renesis> maybe 2 or three times a show, they would blast the audience on the floor with the co2, felt like cold win, was great
[19:20:22] <CaptHindsight> and why you want to avoid it
[19:20:31] <renesis> depends on sound engineers
[19:20:46] <renesis> also they often have little or no input into how the sound system was installed and setup
[19:22:10] <PetefromTn_> that sure would have made it nicer. The place was PACKED and the more people came in and the more they tried to push towards the stage the hotter it got. It got really bad but once the sun went down and the heat kinda moved off U2 came out and it was awesome after that.
[19:22:35] <renesis> ive only seen it done there
[19:23:05] <renesis> the heat thing happens every big show ive been to with standing room areas
[19:23:06] <CaptHindsight> why I would only go to the Auditorium Theater, Alpine Valley, Red Rocks etc etc
[19:23:23] <renesis> i want to go to red rocks
[19:23:29] <PetefromTn_> I love red rocks..
[19:23:32] <PetefromTn_> been there once
[19:23:39] <renesis> low ends gotta be so tight
[19:23:40] <PetefromTn_> what a beautiful natural amphitheatre
[19:26:29] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/lMc0tPy.jpg Here's a pic I took of that MASSIVE stage at U2 Nashville.
[19:28:05] <PetefromTn_> http://coloradofather.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/stage_sm.jpg That's what it looked like at night during the show...
[19:28:30] <CaptHindsight> War of the Worlds
[19:29:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah it was unbelievably massive... pictures do it no justice.
[19:30:13] <PetefromTn_> http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/207/2/5/U2_360_Tour_Dublin_3_by_Shaystyler.jpg Green alien? hehe
[19:30:15] <CaptHindsight> I wonder of going back to see Pink Floyd in the 70's for the Animals tour would be the same
[19:30:31] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to see that...
[19:30:36] <PetefromTn_> at any time really.
[19:30:49] <PetefromTn_> now all you got is the Pink Floyd laser light shows heh
[19:32:48] <CaptHindsight> there used to be a small venue in Chicago where really big names would be sitting in the seats to see people like Adrian Belew or Steve Morse
[19:33:03] <CaptHindsight> the sound was great as well
[19:35:52] <CaptHindsight> the Park West is still there
[19:36:37] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a nice venue
[19:38:17] <CaptHindsight> seats a few hundred
[19:39:30] <CaptHindsight> right down the block from the ST. Valentines Day murder :)
[19:40:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyn9V1hpTpA This video kinda shows how it was to be there... last one I will post I swear LOL
[19:41:39] <PetefromTn_> Never been to Chicago
[19:41:53] <PetefromTn_> except for a flight stopover and I never left the airport ;)
[19:41:54] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: ever been to the Franklin Theatre?
[19:42:04] <PetefromTn_> where is it?
[19:42:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.franklintheatre.com/
[19:43:17] <PetefromTn_> no unfortunately
[19:43:27] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a nice place tho
[19:44:26] <CaptHindsight> I still have to the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum
[19:44:31] <CaptHindsight> see it
[19:44:46] <PetefromTn_> The Tennessee theatre downtown is pretty old and cool inside
[19:44:51] <PetefromTn_> been there once or twice
[19:45:20] <PetefromTn_> http://www.downtownknoxville.org/images/uploads/property/entertain_tntheatre.jpg
[19:45:42] <CaptHindsight> I've heard of it
[19:46:30] <CaptHindsight> Grand Ole Opry House is another
[19:48:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am honestly not much for country music but I hear it is a nice place
[19:48:21] <CaptHindsight> me to, I'd like to at least see them
[19:48:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah some of those old theaters and concert halls are just cool to visit
[19:51:50] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the ticket prices were for that 10000 singing Beethoven in Japan?
[19:52:32] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUZY3JfYBY&list=UUKaL07_tWnnWQKg_bPCLXKQ This is some cool CNC milling on a pistol I watched earlier
[19:53:02] <PetefromTn_> beethoven?
[19:53:14] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY
[19:55:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuve8eKeqKA Mahler 8 "Symphony of a Thousand" is another amazing piece
[19:58:44] <PetefromTn_> wow is that really 10k people singing and playing?
[19:58:50] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[19:59:13] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[19:59:18] <PetefromTn_> thats insane
[19:59:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure if that was ever done in history before
[19:59:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL probably not
[20:05:23] <matador_2k> noob here popping cherry
[20:06:06] <CaptHindsight> matador_2k: new project?
[20:10:10] <LeelooMinai> I must to come up with some reasonable idea for the table for my CNC 21" by 21" or so
[20:10:28] <LeelooMinai> Without going bankrupt that is
[20:11:03] <LeelooMinai> Something that will allow me to clamp/fix aluminum pieces
[20:11:20] <CaptHindsight> t-slot table maybe?
[20:11:41] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: buy a piece of plate
[20:11:46] <zeeshan> and just drill holes in it with your cnc
[20:11:46] <zeeshan> :P
[20:12:20] <LeelooMinai> WOuld be nice - I would buy a fixung det for t-slot table, but, the problem is getting it for reasonable price.
[20:12:28] <LeelooMinai> fixing set*
[20:12:49] <CaptHindsight> I see them on ebay
[20:13:13] <LeelooMinai> You mean those that look like made from extrusions?
[20:13:14] <CaptHindsight> few hundered $
[20:13:30] <CaptHindsight> steel t-slot tables/plates
[20:14:10] <LeelooMinai> Are those usually, well, flat? :)
[20:15:41] <LeelooMinai> NOt sure if they are made to be super-flat like surface plates, or just "reasonably flat"
[20:18:59] <CaptHindsight> also fixture plates
[20:19:28] <CaptHindsight> look for a steel one, get it ground to perfection
[20:20:05] <PetefromTn_> not sure he is even talking about a mill table really. Could be just wanting to build a 21x21 router...
[20:20:41] <jdh> 0.5" mic6 plate?
[20:21:26] <LeelooMinai> I am "she", and I already built my cnc - I just need plate that will go on top of my bed that will be flat and allow fixing stuff.
[20:21:46] <LeelooMinai> No, mic6 is not reasonable price-wise:)
[20:22:11] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry I thought we were answering matador dude's post LOL
[20:22:28] <PetefromTn_> look for cast tooling plate.
[20:22:36] <PetefromTn_> it is cheaper and somewhat flat
[20:22:42] <_methods> you just want a sub plate?
[20:22:51] <_methods> bolt something down and mill it flat
[20:23:01] <PetefromTn_> is this a router or mill?
[20:23:22] <LeelooMinai> It's supposed to be able to mill aluminum
[20:23:33] <jdh> my router can mill aluminum
[20:23:53] <LeelooMinai> I mean mill without deforming itself into precel:)
[20:23:56] <CaptHindsight> get a hunk of plate and have someone grind it
[20:23:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but it is amazing how easily people toss the two names around CNC router and CNC mill...
[20:24:54] <PetefromTn_> basically every weak built from toothpics and bailing wire cnc with a little router head mounted to it is a CNC mill nowadays somehow.
[20:25:20] <CaptHindsight> don't forget magnets
[20:25:28] <PetefromTn_> oh sorry :0
[20:25:28] <_methods> or pipes
[20:25:35] <CaptHindsight> lol
[20:25:41] <CaptHindsight> don't remind me
[20:26:13] <PetefromTn_> what really bugs me is when I search ebay or youtube for CNC mill stuff I have to wade thru the gajillion or so CNC router ads and builds touted as CNC mill
[20:26:19] <LeelooMinai> I designed mine to be able to mill small alimunum pieces - nothing extreme. It also has to be in my room - I cannot put there some 2 ton monster, you know:)\
[20:26:49] <PetefromTn_> oh I am fine with routing aluminum on a stoutly build CNC router...
[20:27:03] <PetefromTn_> just kinda wish they would call it that.
[20:27:26] <PetefromTn_> There are quite a few youtube videos showing little sturdy build CNC routers cutting aluminum quite well.
[20:27:33] <LeelooMinai> Well, so how would you call something that can mill aluminum?
[20:27:55] <PetefromTn_> depends....is it a CNC router table or a CNC milling machine?
[20:28:15] <LeelooMinai> Now I don't know - you tell me:)
[20:28:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:28:29] <PetefromTn_> post a pic..
[20:28:32] <LeelooMinai> I thought if it mills, then it's mill
[20:28:47] <LeelooMinai> But I just call it "cnc platform" for myself
[20:28:54] <PetefromTn_> I like that...
[20:29:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-CNC-Machine/
[20:29:14] <PetefromTn_> CNC Platform capable of kicking ass is soft aluminum like materials and wood and plastics
[20:29:21] <LeelooMinai> I think I already linked it once here. Here's some old pic of it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/14362017434/
[20:29:50] <jdh> looks like a gantry router
[20:29:56] <PetefromTn_> I'd personally call that a very sturdy built CNC gantry router.
[20:30:06] <jdh> but, it doesn't really matter what you call it.
[20:30:20] <renesis> its in between
[20:30:24] <CaptHindsight> henry
[20:30:31] <renesis> table moves so not a pure gantry router
[20:30:58] <renesis> also jezus fuck thats a lot of aluminum plate
[20:31:29] <LeelooMinai> You see it has this small "table" there, that is just a bed fixed to all the blocks - I always planned to put some thicker plate on it - that what I was asking about.
[20:31:43] <PetefromTn_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/14039474097/in/photostream/ CNC hobby router ;)
[20:31:59] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I wanted it to be stiff, so I can mill that aluminum.
[20:32:05] <_methods> hahahhah
[20:32:09] <_methods> is that 1" alum?
[20:32:13] <_methods> had to cost a fortune
[20:32:52] <_methods> that's a beefy gantry you should have no problems cuttin some alum
[20:32:55] <LeelooMinai> lol, ok, that catapult I made, because one day my nephew come to my house and said "Aunty, I need to build a catapult for my project - it's for tomorrow, or I will get F":)
[20:33:00] <renesis> fell off the back of the aluminum truck
[20:33:00] <PetefromTn_> jeez Leeloo looking thru your pics you have been a busy girl LOL
[20:33:34] <LeelooMinai> NOte that the catapult has a wooden spoon part I stole from my mom's kitchen
[20:34:17] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I do a lot of hobby stuff - programming, electronics, and now this CNC stuff
[20:34:28] <jdh> henry the fixed gantry router that cuts aluminium
[20:34:38] <LeelooMinai> But CNC part foes slow, since it's not cheap to get all the parts
[20:34:50] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: I made a similar one http://ibin.co/1hVBfIKTtxJT
[20:34:50] <zeeshan> rofl PetefromTn_ hahahah
[20:35:22] <LeelooMinai> The gantry parts were about $70 each - nothing crazy really
[20:35:31] <zeeshan> why do you guys make machine tools out of aluminum
[20:35:37] <zeeshan> you need so much more of it
[20:36:00] <PetefromTn_> that thing looks very well put together LeeLoo
[20:36:09] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: I have some steel angles there, but in general, in my case, I had to use aluminum, because I could not machine steel at home
[20:36:22] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: i know your case
[20:36:25] <LeelooMinai> All I have is drill press:)
[20:36:26] <zeeshan> im mainly picking on CaptHindsight
[20:36:27] <zeeshan> :)
[20:36:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: that one holds <5um
[20:36:52] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: its still aluminum
[20:36:53] <zeeshan> why aluminum
[20:36:55] <LeelooMinai> And I cannot weld... and do not want to really
[20:37:00] <zeeshan> 70 gpa vs 200 gpa
[20:37:00] <CaptHindsight> those are all linear servos
[20:37:04] <zeeshan> GPa
[20:37:05] <jdh> tempurature compensagted 5um?
[20:37:26] <LeelooMinai> A, missed that link - that machine looks weird:)
[20:37:29] <PetefromTn_> you built that with a drill press and a small router table!! JEEZ that is impressive
[20:37:44] <LeelooMinai> Not sure what's going there - what is this circular thing to the left/right?
[20:37:53] <CaptHindsight> jdh: yeah it's in a controlled enclosure and also has laser mics to calibrate itself
[20:38:07] <jdh> nifty
[20:38:14] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: Tedious and not recommended probably too:)
[20:38:43] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: it's 5 axis
[20:38:56] <LeelooMinai> http://ibin.co/1hVBfIKTtxJT <- is the bed on this picture rotating?
[20:39:16] <CaptHindsight> tilts and rotates
[20:39:24] <PetefromTn_> Honestly you are most certainly the only female I have ever known who could do something like that...
[20:39:31] <zeeshan> ^SEXIST!
[20:39:48] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: That does not sound as nice as you thought probably...
[20:39:59] <zeeshan> theres a crapload of women in mech eng
[20:40:03] <zeeshan> that build fancy stuff
[20:40:06] <Tom_itx> pete, you haven't been around many then
[20:40:13] <LeelooMinai> Some build things that go into space
[20:40:17] <CaptHindsight> they don't live in the south
[20:40:22] <zeeshan> isnt jpl like 40% women
[20:40:33] <PetefromTn_> Okay just because I don't know any does not mean there ARE NONE!!
[20:40:50] <zeeshan> http://women.nasa.gov/
[20:40:51] <zeeshan> :P
[20:41:16] <LeelooMinai> You see, lotsa women
[20:41:17] <PetefromTn_> hell I am not even sure I could build that with a drill press and table router LOL
[20:42:03] <LeelooMinai> You just make a lot of holes:)
[20:42:22] <zeeshan> did you get your mesa working
[20:42:27] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight That wood router with drawer slides and a dremel is hilarious..
[20:42:29] <zeeshan> or you still complaining about it :)
[20:42:33] <renesis> can confirm, have done it with with a competant ME who indeed did have a vagina
[20:42:50] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you just saw that :)
[20:43:01] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[20:43:02] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: I believe so, but I just decided to replace the limit switches - so spend 2 days making mounts for them in aluminum
[20:43:09] <PetefromTn_> that must be terribly rigid
[20:43:33] <PetefromTn_> 1/4 inch allthread leadscrews
[20:43:35] <zeeshan> what was wrong with yours
[20:44:12] <LeelooMinai> Chinese limit switched - bad
[20:44:17] <zeeshan> doh
[20:44:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSjVkAi05M seems to run fine :)
[20:44:19] <LeelooMinai> switches*
[20:44:21] <zeeshan> i have so much to do with my machine
[20:44:27] <zeeshan> i kinda gave up for this weekend :P
[20:45:21] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight:
[20:45:22] <zeeshan> ROFL
[20:45:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah it sure ripped thru that .005" cut in balsa
[20:45:25] <zeeshan> what is this pos
[20:45:46] <jdh> hater's gonna hate
[20:45:56] <CaptHindsight> lol
[20:45:56] <PetefromTn_> Cracks me up..
[20:45:58] <LeelooMinai> Heh, that's pretty ghetto:)
[20:46:01] <zeeshan> hjahahaha
[20:46:06] <zeeshan> his text is drifting
[20:46:14] <PetefromTn_> that's text?
[20:46:19] <zeeshan> yea
[20:46:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:46:38] <renesis> are his dremel mounts made of play-doh?
[20:46:43] <LeelooMinai> It should be shown to whoever built a cnc to make them feel better
[20:46:43] <PetefromTn_> He has to keep the door closed as the breeze from the hallway will skew it
[20:46:52] <zeeshan> well at least if we were stuck on an island with a dremel , some wood and some drawer slides
[20:46:56] <zeeshan> we could make ourselves a nice cnc
[20:47:12] <CaptHindsight> could be handy if you're shipwrecked sure
[20:47:39] <PetefromTn_> you gonna get a squirrel in a treadmill to power the PC you don't have?
[20:47:55] <CaptHindsight> water, check, coconuts check, router made from drawer slides and found dremel
[20:48:14] <LeelooMinai> That dremel mounting system looks like made from dried bubble-gum
[20:48:38] <renesis> he says its polymorf plastic
[20:48:38] <CaptHindsight> ever try getting gum off the bottom of a counter?
[20:49:13] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15806020521/
[20:49:15] <zeeshan> ignore the wires
[20:49:21] <zeeshan> do you guys think running a flat cable
[20:49:27] <zeeshan> to the 7i77 is okay for this distance
[20:49:35] <zeeshan> i really dont want that huge ass cable sitting in the cabinet
[20:49:42] <zeeshan> would rather have the correct size cable
[20:49:58] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: Do you have like 12 breakers in there?
[20:50:15] <zeeshan> almost :P
[20:50:18] <zeeshan> those are fuse holders
[20:50:24] <LeelooMinai> What for? :)
[20:50:28] <zeeshan> power distrubtion
[20:50:29] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how far?
[20:50:34] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: damn you
[20:50:35] <zeeshan> see the pic!
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> thats a 24x24 box to give size perspective
[20:50:47] <CaptHindsight> it's fine
[20:51:00] <CaptHindsight> thought you were going to relocate it outside the box
[20:51:07] <zeeshan> no
[20:51:14] <zeeshan> this is the power distribution and control box
[20:51:22] <zeeshan> next door neighbour is the vfd and servo drive box
[20:51:28] <zeeshan> (noisey neighbours)
[20:51:28] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: I think I already wrote it once, but I think you are pretty brave putting PC and all this electronics in one box:)
[20:51:41] <CaptHindsight> how many copper ground rods are you going to run underneath the mill?
[20:51:42] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: power distribution isn't noisey
[20:51:48] <zeeshan> vfds and servos are
[20:51:58] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15746739912/
[20:52:03] <zeeshan> thats the noisey box LeelooMinai
[20:52:24] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: What are the three boards to the right?
[20:52:31] <zeeshan> interpolators
[20:52:40] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: wut
[20:52:49] <PetefromTn_> sumitomo....sounds like a sumo warrior hehe
[20:52:56] <zeeshan> japanese!
[20:52:56] <CaptHindsight> I have put entire 3-axis AC servo systems in one PC desktop enclosure
[20:52:57] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: Interpolators for what?
[20:53:03] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: glass scales
[20:53:19] <zeeshan> guys i just need to know about the cable
[20:53:23] <zeeshan> from 7i77 to 5i25
[20:53:25] <LeelooMinai> I see, so the driver stuff is in separate box
[20:53:30] <PetefromTn_> my RF45 servo system was all inside a box not much bigger than that
[20:53:44] <CaptHindsight> ~12" is fine. don't worry
[20:54:11] <PetefromTn_> I thought from 5i25 to 7i77 it took a parallel style cable>
[20:54:20] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you can use that black port
[20:54:23] <zeeshan> to run a flat cable
[20:54:54] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15784241266/
[20:54:57] <PetefromTn_> it looks like you could easily install the combo cable it comes with in there
[20:55:01] <zeeshan> that black thing
[20:55:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: youre right
[20:55:11] <zeeshan> but i hate the bundle of wire
[20:55:13] <zeeshan> that'll be chilling there
[20:55:25] <zeeshan> that cable is like 12 feet or something
[20:55:30] <zeeshan> ok nm
[20:55:34] <zeeshan> its like 6 feet
[20:55:38] <PetefromTn_> I would ask PCW if there is any advantage between the two cable types.
[20:55:47] <zeeshan> well he said that flat is no good for noise
[20:55:52] <zeeshan> but for short distances, it might be ok
[20:56:01] <zeeshan> i dont know what "short" is
[20:56:01] <zeeshan> :P
[20:56:13] <jdh> wrap it in aluminum foil and use inline resistors
[20:56:18] <PetefromTn_> I would probably use the parallel style if it is better for noise..
[20:56:35] <zeeshan> can you buy a 2 foot parallel style cable?
[20:56:39] <PetefromTn_> important trons going thru that cable...
[20:56:43] <zeeshan> yea man
[20:56:50] <zeeshan> i dont wanna take a chance
[20:57:53] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you can buy the cable and connectors
[20:58:09] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: solderless?
[20:58:13] <CaptHindsight> yes
[20:58:16] <zeeshan> hmm
[20:58:18] <zeeshan> i like this idea
[20:58:35] <CaptHindsight> or complete assemblies on fleabay
[20:58:42] <CaptHindsight> 12" long
[20:58:50] <zeeshan> lemme show you guys what im whining about. sec
[20:59:12] <CaptHindsight> going with 14ga parallel?
[21:01:40] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan I showed the picture of the sheetmetal transition to my best friend in Florida who is an Air conditioning guy.. He was like WOW that looks pretty damn good. Made me feel good LOL
[21:01:54] <Shaun413> pic
[21:01:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LPT-Printer-Port-Parallel-Bracket-to-Motherboard-25-Pin-Female-Internal-Cable-/310886748192
[21:02:03] <jdh> Pete: how many hours?
[21:02:18] <PetefromTn_> how many hours for what?
[21:02:29] <jdh> to make the ducts
[21:02:34] <Shaun413> can i see pics?
[21:02:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: they are really nice man
[21:02:54] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/65yvceN.jpg
[21:02:54] <zeeshan> especially since you did it by hand
[21:03:07] <XXCoder> nice
[21:03:09] <PetefromTn_> well honestly we made them yesterday afternoon
[21:03:16] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15188551783/
[21:03:19] <zeeshan> this is what im whining about
[21:03:25] <zeeshan> that bundle of wire of shit
[21:03:28] <zeeshan> is irritating me
[21:03:38] <Shaun413> nice
[21:03:46] <PetefromTn_> it took a good while like an hour or two to cut out the templates and tape them to the sheetmetal and center punch all the locations and bend lines
[21:04:07] <jdh> looks great. I'd hate to pay someones time for that.
[21:04:15] <jdh> z: they make PS extensions
[21:04:26] <zeeshan> PS?
[21:04:35] <PetefromTn_> but it took about a half hour or so to bend them and screw them together with my wife's help each.
[21:04:41] <zeeshan> the parallel port
[21:04:44] <zeeshan> is the one im talking about
[21:04:45] <jdh> power supply. that looks assloads worse than the pport cable
[21:04:54] <PetefromTn_> I probably have about $50.00 in them now
[21:05:36] <zeeshan> jdh link
[21:05:37] <zeeshan> :D
[21:05:50] <jdh> Pete: I'd think that woudl be a standard kind of hvac part?
[21:06:10] <PetefromTn_> I don't think that the PP cable looks bad at all. Slap some wire ties in there and tuck it alongside the 5i25
[21:06:12] <zeeshan> http://s3.showmecables.com/images/catalog/product/ATX-Power-Supply-Extension-Cable-12in.jpg
[21:06:27] <PetefromTn_> jdh actually it is when it is not offset to one side
[21:06:43] <PetefromTn_> these are not centered along the rectangular part
[21:06:44] <zeeshan> maybe i should run a wire way
[21:06:47] <zeeshan> and hide it in there
[21:06:47] <zeeshan> :D
[21:07:01] <jdh> put some 1" spacers under the MB and coil it up underneath
[21:07:44] <PetefromTn_> they circular part lines up with the long edge of one side of the rectangular part
[21:08:35] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4764767586.html ?
[21:08:43] <PetefromTn_> interesting machine
[21:09:38] <jdh> automated tubing speculum
[21:09:40] <PetefromTn_> Kinda looks like a bigass steady rest
[21:10:06] <PetefromTn_> that would be cool to have a pneumatically driven steady rest with ball bearings on the fingers.
[21:10:14] <PetefromTn_> auto centering
[21:10:22] <jdh> yeah, woudl look good on your lathe!
[21:10:34] <PetefromTn_> You got it man..
[21:10:36] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:10:52] <PetefromTn_> one thing that sucks
[21:11:08] <PetefromTn_> the manual 12x36 I sold came with steady and follow rests
[21:11:18] <PetefromTn_> the CNC lathe I just bought has neither
[21:11:24] <PetefromTn_> sigh
[21:12:01] <jdh> you sold your manual?
[21:12:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah had to
[21:12:15] <PetefromTn_> to afford to get the CNC lathe
[21:12:24] <PetefromTn_> and get it here
[21:12:41] <PetefromTn_> also helped me buy the new AC unit too
[21:12:45] <zeeshan> did you get good money fo rit?
[21:12:54] <PetefromTn_> I think so
[21:13:05] <zeeshan> you have a cnc mill
[21:13:10] <PetefromTn_> I bought it for $1300.00 brand new over a decade ago
[21:13:11] <zeeshan> you can build some steady and followers
[21:13:11] <zeeshan> :D
[21:13:24] <PetefromTn_> and sold it for $2200.00
[21:13:27] <zeeshan> wow
[21:13:30] <zeeshan> that is really good
[21:13:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[21:14:30] <_methods> how often were you using your steady or follower?
[21:14:31] <PetefromTn_> I need to design a nice bearing tipped steady
[21:14:40] <PetefromTn_> oh once in awhile
[21:14:48] <_methods> exactly lol
[21:14:48] <zeeshan> The Xilinx FPGA on the 5I25 has the option of havin g weak pull-ups on all I/O pins at power-up or reset. The default is to disable the pull-ups To enable the built-in pull-ups, (the default condition) jumper W4 should be placed in the UP position. To disable the internal pull-ups, W4 should be in the DOWN positio n.
[21:14:51] <zeeshan> can someone make sense of this
[21:14:53] <PetefromTn_> usually when I needed to turn a shaft that did not fit thru the spindle
[21:14:57] <zeeshan> "What is the default"
[21:15:09] <zeeshan> theres 2 defaults in that statement
[21:15:11] <zeeshan> lol
[21:15:23] <zeeshan> one time it's saying default is to disable pull ups
[21:15:32] <zeeshan> and then its saying default condition is enable
[21:15:32] <zeeshan> sigh
[21:16:40] <[cube]> i'd go with the first sentence?
[21:17:06] <LeelooMinai> I would just do what second one says:)
[21:17:26] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4764732335.html neat little guy
[21:17:30] <tjtr33> after re-re-refinding this tiny x86 linuxcnc box http://shop.dmp.com.tw/INT/products/5, i found this paper http://goo.gl/9HRDEo and this presentation http://www.slideshare.net/roboard/linuxcnc
[21:17:41] <LeelooMinai> " To disable the internal pull-ups, W4 should be in the DOWN positio n." <- isn't that all one needs to know?
[21:18:35] <LeelooMinai> Maybe the first default is in regards to the bare FPGA behaviour
[21:19:57] <pcw_home> Just leave W4 alone
[21:20:36] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: You should write that in the docs instead of the above:p
[21:20:46] <PetefromTn_> http://tricities.craigslist.org/tld/4740443932.html You gotta be kidding me..
[21:21:18] <CaptHindsight> yup, they sell those at automation technologies
[21:21:29] <zeeshan> its currently set to w4 down
[21:21:32] <zeeshan> er
[21:21:33] <zeeshan> w4 up.
[21:21:53] <zeeshan> pcw_home: roger
[21:22:00] <_methods> that's a beast cnc
[21:22:03] <jdh> Pete: those are in all the CL's I search
[21:22:14] <jdh> last week or two
[21:22:22] <_methods> why are all these retards using this vwheel shit
[21:22:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that'd make a nice plasma cutter
[21:22:28] <zeeshan> lol
[21:22:31] <pcw_home> Ill fix the the manual (pullup enabled is default)
[21:22:40] <zeeshan> pcw_home: thank u
[21:22:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/cnc-mogul-machine
[21:23:13] <zeeshan> i was double checking everything
[21:23:14] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[21:23:17] <zeeshan> to make sure it was default
[21:23:21] <zeeshan> cause im running an external supply
[21:23:26] <zeeshan> not using the 5i25 to provide power.
[21:23:29] <zeeshan> dont wanna blow up something
[21:23:37] <PetefromTn_> nothing like free advertising I guess..
[21:24:40] <PetefromTn_> says you can make it a 4x8 if you want...
[21:25:07] <PetefromTn_> might work if all you want to do is hold that sharpie marker I guess
[21:25:09] <zeeshan> if w1 is set to left on the 7i77
[21:25:14] <zeeshan> do i only need to provide power to vin
[21:25:15] <tjtr33> 6 v wheels on a single truck? isnt that impossibly over-constrained?
[21:25:26] <zeeshan> and all the fields will also get power
[21:25:31] <PetefromTn_> over constrained...I love that.
[21:25:32] <zeeshan> or still need to jumper the field powers?
[21:25:33] <zeeshan> from the vin
[21:25:50] <LeelooMinai> ON 7i76 they are shorted
[21:25:56] <zeeshan> ok
[21:25:59] <zeeshan> should be same for me then
[21:26:03] <zeeshan> so you only power vin right?
[21:26:09] <LeelooMinai> You can just check with multimeter:)
[21:26:10] <zeeshan> not the vfields
[21:26:20] <zeeshan> i still need to replace my multimeter
[21:26:22] <zeeshan> my friend blew it up
[21:26:29] <zeeshan> :-(
[21:26:33] <Shaun413> your fiend blew up?
[21:26:36] <Shaun413> may he rip
[21:26:38] <jdh> "my friend"
[21:26:48] <Shaun413> get a fluke man!
[21:26:51] <Shaun413> it wont blow up
[21:26:52] <LeelooMinai> There's a jumper for vin vs the 4 field ones, but the 4 field ones are connected
[21:26:57] <zeeshan> jdh he decided to measure the current of the radiator fans with it
[21:27:01] <zeeshan> in non fused mode
[21:27:04] <Shaun413> wow
[21:27:06] <Shaun413> idiot
[21:27:11] <CaptHindsight> didn't you guys already pick on him last week for this?
[21:27:23] <LeelooMinai> So 5 pins, but one is used to power the actual ics that handle field io
[21:27:28] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4718764042.html I need this...
[21:28:01] <zeeshan> i should re-read the sentence
[21:28:04] <zeeshan> it clearly states it
[21:28:12] <zeeshan> "This connects field power to vin"
[21:28:14] <zeeshan> :)
[21:29:18] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: Concentrate and do not burn your nice mesa hardware:)
[21:29:20] <zeeshan> Shaun413: its okay he ebayed a fluke for me
[21:29:39] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: haha yea
[21:29:42] <PetefromTn_> I concentrated and STILL burned my nice mesa hardware
[21:29:45] <Shaun413> k
[21:29:46] <zeeshan> thats why im going over this again and again
[21:29:53] <Shaun413> hmm
[21:30:04] <Shaun413> i need to find a way to afford some machine tools
[21:30:06] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: howd you short 110vac on the mesa?
[21:30:11] <Shaun413> I need a hobby that can make me money..
[21:30:21] <PetefromTn_> you mean 220?
[21:30:24] <PetefromTn_> :P
[21:30:26] <zeeshan> haha
[21:30:27] <zeeshan> :D
[21:30:30] <Shaun413> haha
[21:30:31] <Shaun413> :)
[21:30:32] <zeeshan> did a wire drop?
[21:30:44] * Shaun413 looks
[21:30:48] <Shaun413> nope no wires
[21:31:04] <PetefromTn_> I shorted out the DC24v power supply wire to a 220v hot lead accidentally
[21:31:21] <PetefromTn_> it ran back thru the power supply and fried the field I/O section of the 7i77
[21:31:32] <zeeshan> doh
[21:31:40] <zeeshan> were there sparks
[21:31:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think I can still see em'
[21:31:49] <zeeshan> ahaha
[21:32:25] <zeeshan> so far the only thing i see that can blow stuff up in config is
[21:32:32] <zeeshan> is if w5 is in left position
[21:32:37] <zeeshan> and you try to power tb1
[21:32:54] <zeeshan> the voltage travels to the 5i25 and burns it and possibly mobo
[21:33:10] <PetefromTn_> the good news is it somehow saved my 5i25 and my PC during the fireworks...
[21:33:20] <Shaun413> are there well made mini machine tools?
[21:33:24] <Shaun413> do they exist?
[21:33:24] <zeeshan> field is isolated!
[21:33:26] <zeeshan> it did its job :)
[21:33:32] <PetefromTn_> shaun314
[21:33:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[21:33:40] <Shaun413> ?
[21:33:41] <PetefromTn_> there are actually quite a few
[21:33:48] <PetefromTn_> but they are not usually cheap
[21:33:52] <Shaun413> ahh
[21:33:55] <Shaun413> well thats needed
[21:33:56] <Shaun413> :p
[21:33:59] <PetefromTn_> it depends on what you want to cut and how big it is
[21:34:11] <Shaun413> thats the whole reason of going mini, would be cost
[21:34:16] <LeelooMinai> Shaun413: Mini mill:) http://pics.stampedeproject.com/Proxxon-MF70/
[21:34:33] <PetefromTn_> mini does not necessarily mean cheaper
[21:34:47] <Shaun413> hmm
[21:34:49] <LeelooMinai> It's $500 or so I think
[21:35:19] <jdh> we have one of those at work, they are kind of cool
[21:35:25] <Shaun413> dhmm
[21:35:32] <Shaun413> something bigger for same cost?
[21:39:01] <zeeshan> kinda a bit weird
[21:39:04] <Shaun413> ?
[21:39:11] <zeeshan> 5i25 comes default with disabled power to breakoutboard
[21:39:23] <zeeshan> but the 7i77 comes default as "provide me with power from 5i25"
[21:39:27] <zeeshan> :P
[21:39:39] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: did you notice that
[21:39:40] <zeeshan> with your case?
[21:40:02] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: Don't remember - I just set it up to use 5V from 5i25
[21:40:14] <zeeshan> mines 5v from external
[21:40:27] <zeeshan> encoders will eat too much 5v
[21:40:28] <zeeshan> current :P
[21:41:25] <LeelooMinai> I wish I could somehow convert surface plate to my bed
[21:41:41] <zeeshan> as a pillow?
[21:41:45] <LeelooMinai> But I don't see that happening:)
[21:41:46] <zeeshan> oh bed for mill
[21:41:52] <zeeshan> :P
[21:41:53] <LeelooMinai> ...
[21:42:07] <zeeshan> what, i thought you might really like it that much.
[21:42:13] <LeelooMinai> I can get 18 by 24" one for 75
[21:42:23] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: dont cheap out now
[21:42:27] <zeeshan> your router is a beast
[21:42:29] <zeeshan> give it a beast table
[21:42:30] <Shaun413> motha
[21:42:38] <Shaun413> my router is a beast
[21:42:52] <Shaun413> edge router lite, gigabit ports, linux based
[21:42:55] <Shaun413> damn nice router
[21:43:42] <LeelooMinai> Anyone tried drilling a surface plate? :)
[21:43:58] <zeeshan> you can do it
[21:44:01] <zeeshan> with a carbide bit
[21:44:03] <zeeshan> or even diamond
[21:44:12] <zeeshan> and water as lubricant
[21:44:35] <LeelooMinai> "DO it" meaning, do it easily, or spend a month doing it?
[21:44:52] <PetefromTn_> they make steel surface plates
[21:45:01] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: she cant get it cheap
[21:45:07] <zeeshan> granite is cheap for us locally
[21:45:18] <zeeshan> im assuming shes talking about the busybee plate
[21:45:29] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/kitchener-waterloo/surface-plates/1033257012?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[21:45:35] <LeelooMinai> That's in my city
[21:45:40] <zeeshan> fak
[21:45:41] <zeeshan> thats dirt cheap
[21:46:16] <LeelooMinai> Well, I guess depends if they are wore down or something
[21:46:17] <zeeshan> omg
[21:46:20] <zeeshan> hes got #40 tooling
[21:46:20] <zeeshan> !!!
[21:46:30] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-image.html?adId=1033263700&image=0&enableSearchNavigationFlag=false
[21:46:33] <LeelooMinai> The what?
[21:47:14] <PetefromTn_> lots of goodies there
[21:47:33] <zeeshan> no er collets
[21:47:35] <zeeshan> that i can see
[21:47:35] <zeeshan> :{
[21:48:04] <LeelooMinai> Most people would just threw it all out:)
[21:48:07] <zeeshan> i wonder why the y have like 8 of the same size drill chuck
[21:48:59] <PetefromTn_> throw it out at my house.
[21:49:38] <LeelooMinai> I wonder if some machinist gods would strike me from heavens if I bought that plate and made holes in it
[21:49:50] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: they already make holes in em
[21:49:52] <zeeshan> with threaded inserts
[21:50:13] <LeelooMinai> Hmm
[21:50:27] <zeeshan> our inspection plates
[21:50:33] <zeeshan> in the factory were drilled
[21:50:37] <zeeshan> we had custom fixtures bolted to em
[21:50:58] <PetefromTn_> That granite plate is gonna be pretty heavy tho
[21:51:16] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f33/111622d1404843292-pink-starrett-aa-grade-surface-plate-inserts-24x21x4-350-dscn8305.jpg
[21:51:19] <zeeshan> only pic i can find :P
[21:51:20] <PetefromTn_> weight might be a factor in how your machine performs
[21:51:37] <zeeshan> i agree with PetefromTn_
[21:51:48] <zeeshan> why had a 100lb chunk of granite table
[21:51:50] <LeelooMinai> RIght, I calculated it once and it scared me
[21:51:53] <zeeshan> and deflect your matchine for no reason
[21:52:14] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: why doint you buy aluminum
[21:52:17] <zeeshan> and make your own t-slots?
[21:52:19] <zeeshan> using your router
[21:52:31] <tjtr33> diy kit machine parts near price of proxon maybe better use of 500$ http://cncbridges.com/products.htm
[21:52:41] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: YOu think that a big slab like that will be cheap? :)
[21:52:49] <zeeshan> size?
[21:53:03] <LeelooMinai> 21x21"
[21:53:07] <zeeshan> thats tiny
[21:53:17] <zeeshan> i bought a 24"x24" 6061 for a fixture im making for a camera at school
[21:53:19] <zeeshan> 1/2"
[21:53:26] <zeeshan> for $60
[21:53:28] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but to make if flatish it would need to be at last 3/4
[21:53:31] <zeeshan> b&d steel
[21:53:39] <zeeshan> okay so about a hundred bux then
[21:54:09] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I can check in metalmarkets, let me see
[21:54:16] <zeeshan> metal supermarkets is a rip
[21:54:22] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIC-6-CAST-TOOLING-ALUMINUM-PLATE-3-8-x-24-x-24-/261159881995?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cce578d0b
[21:54:40] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: They are in my city though and my sister can pick stuff from them
[21:54:44] <PetefromTn_> sell the drop to your buds for a huge markup LOL
[21:54:48] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: youre in kitchner mate
[21:54:58] <LeelooMinai> So?
[21:55:00] <zeeshan> you guys have tons of metal suppliers
[21:55:10] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: Does not ship to Canada:)
[21:55:12] <zeeshan> that will retail to small ppl
[21:56:12] <LeelooMinai> zeeshan: Some kind of big companies?
[21:56:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you see that all of those linear servos are made from aluminum plate?
[21:56:57] <LeelooMinai> Also, 3/8 is kind of thin - would it not deform?
[21:57:07] <zeeshan> "Kitchener Steel Service Centre'
[21:57:09] <zeeshan> "
[21:57:33] <zeeshan> "The steel store"
[21:57:40] <zeeshan> i bet theyre cheaper :P
[21:57:48] <PetefromTn_> sorry I thought it was 3/4
[21:58:08] <LeelooMinai> Right, they probably sell amounts to build a building and would laugh at me:p
[21:58:14] <zeeshan> no
[21:58:24] <zeeshan> if youre going to say
[21:58:26] <zeeshan> russell metals
[21:58:28] <zeeshan> or samuel steel
[21:58:29] <zeeshan> yes.
[21:58:49] <zeeshan> but small pladces like these non franchise / fortune 500 guys
[21:58:50] <zeeshan> will sell to anyone
[21:59:09] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I see
[21:59:16] <zeeshan> B&d steel, beach road steel, glanford iron
[21:59:21] <zeeshan> those are the places i go to locally
[21:59:29] <zeeshan> notice they're not franchises :P
[22:00:00] <LeelooMinai> What about this place? http://www.kitchenersteel.com/products-services.html
[22:00:20] <zeeshan> i take that place back
[22:00:30] <PetefromTn_> jeez it is apparently gonna get pretty damn cold here early this week.
[22:00:30] <zeeshan> that looks like a larger supplier
[22:00:54] <zeeshan> try elma steel & equipment
[22:00:55] <zeeshan> and
[22:01:03] <zeeshan> "the steel store"
[22:01:06] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai That machine has a 21" square envelope...that is a bigger machine than it looked in the photo
[22:01:23] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: quit it already, at least you have a home to heat :p
[22:02:03] <PetefromTn_> huh LOL? what do you mean>
[22:02:53] <LeelooMinai> That would be said mostly by... homeless people? :)
[22:03:02] <CaptHindsight> and stop making fun of ssi's laser furnace
[22:03:31] <PetefromTn_> What did I say?
[22:03:57] <PetefromTn_> don't mind me I am full of shit anyways ;)
[22:09:06] * Tom_itx nods
[22:10:28] <CaptHindsight> http://patsloan.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c976153ef01a3fc656fe7970b-800wi
[22:10:47] <CaptHindsight> look like all bamboo
[22:10:57] <PetefromTn_> mmmm Ginger
[22:11:06] <Shaun413> damn ima need my teeth taken out soon
[22:11:10] <Shaun413> got some extras
[22:12:09] <CaptHindsight> http://mylifeasacouchpotatoe.blogspot.com/2014_02_01_archive.html look at all the stuff they made
[22:12:53] <Shaun413> lol
[22:12:57] <Shaun413> i have that whole series
[22:13:00] <Shaun413> i should watch it
[22:13:05] <PetefromTn_> What....No bamboo CNC routers?
[22:13:13] <Shaun413> no bamboo lathes!
[22:13:16] <Shaun413> u need a lathe
[22:13:21] <CaptHindsight> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wQP8KTuWo4U/UwgBd8ZcgcI/AAAAAAAAEJc/GaaADM2eGOE/s1600/dentist.jpg
[22:13:26] <PetefromTn_> Hell I know I do...
[22:13:38] <Shaun413> that docs at it again
[22:17:52] <PetefromTn_> the ORIGINAL Macguyver
[22:18:25] <Shaun413> pretty sure macguyver was out before gilligan?
[22:18:45] <syyl> at least the spirit of mcguyver!
[22:19:01] <PetefromTn_> doubt it
[22:19:11] <renesis> wtf
[22:19:22] <Shaun413> heh?
[22:19:30] <renesis> gilligan = 60s, macgyver = 80s, hopefully you were joking =(
[22:19:33] <CaptHindsight> Gilligans iusland was the 60's
[22:19:40] <Shaun413> idk man I was born in the 90s
[22:19:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah^^
[22:20:01] <CaptHindsight> I have kids older than you
[22:20:29] <PetefromTn_> my dog's probably older than you heh
[22:21:29] <Shaun413> how old is your dog?
[22:22:13] <PetefromTn_> two
[22:22:26] <Shaun413> hmm
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_> :)
[22:22:32] <Shaun413> yeah Im a fetus
[22:22:46] <PetefromTn_> festus....fester?
[22:23:18] <PetefromTn_> is 4/13 your birthday?
[22:23:36] <Shaun413> yeah
[22:23:43] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:23:46] <Shaun413> date of conception actually
[22:26:24] <CaptHindsight> I didn't know that TINA LOUISE was a singer with a few albums out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBEV1cOYiRI
[22:32:12] <PetefromTn_> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m675vbo3yD1qabj53o1_500.jpg Ginger or Mary Ann??
[22:34:13] <jdh> he died this year
[22:35:00] <PetefromTn_> who?
[22:35:08] <jdh> the professor
[22:35:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.today.com/popculture/dawn-wells-turns-74-question-remains-ginger-or-mary-ann-1C6547688
[23:21:28] <shaun314> Ohe