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[00:40:05] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il6N9q7El_8
[00:40:42] <Computer_Barf> when i see something like this, what i wonder is how you account for the grinding wheel growing smaller as you grind the surface
[00:41:33] <Computer_Barf> do you just do suitably shallow cuts with many passes so that it is lowering before the effect I mentioned?
[00:46:43] <Computer_Barf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il6N9q7El_8
[01:51:53] <archivist> some machines use a very large wheel and others measure while grinding
[01:52:39] <archivist> one linuxcnc user has a stone grinding machine where he compensates during the pass
[01:54:25] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/mizPPZS.jpg << hardly even notice the 3d printer in my room hey
[01:54:59] <Tecan> i really gotta get it printing so i can fix that issue
[01:56:26] <archivist> too much carpet free, add more stuph
[01:57:01] <archivist> even space on shelves and tops!
[02:02:30] <Deejay> moin
[02:16:56] <Tecan> i've seen yo room archivist , i've learnt to put the paper in the scanner
[02:17:10] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/tKPC7gk.jpg << note scanner on shelf handy
[02:18:15] <Tecan> does it still look like the picture you took last time ?
[02:18:53] <Tecan> paper does make good bullet cover tho
[02:19:19] <archivist> that is not me
[02:19:46] <Tecan> oh i thought your room was full of reference manuals
[02:19:51] <Tecan> do you run archive.org ?
[02:20:32] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lounge
[02:21:56] <archivist> and getting something out the garage
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_15_glass_trolley/IMG_1526.JPG
[02:23:10] <Tecan> should make the shed longer so you have room to work
[02:23:53] <archivist> I need to modify many things to make room to work
[05:39:07] <jthornton> my shop is almost that way
[07:23:16] * jthornton can get the XY endpoints of the arc now
[10:02:31] <ssi> jthornton: I have some cycles to play with that code today... you have it hosted somewhurs?+
[10:04:16] <JT-Shop> one moment
[10:06:53] <jthornton> may take a few moments
[10:09:09] <ssi> no prob
[10:14:49] <JT-Shop> yuck debian wheezy is more like unix than windoze... can't just share a folder in nautilus
[10:17:20] <ssi> yeah debian is man's linux ;)
[10:17:30] <ssi> not some girly fru-fru environment like ubuntu :)
[10:18:23] <mozmck> heh, has nothing to do with debian, it's XFCE.
[10:18:53] <JT-Shop> can't figure out how to get rid of xfce too LOL
[10:19:07] <mozmck> install win 8
[10:19:12] <ssi> lol
[10:19:28] <JT-Shop> lol
[10:20:36] <JT-Shop> this might be a clue
https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE#Installation
[10:21:31] <mozmck> LXDE generally has *less* features than XFCE, so that may not be what you want.
[10:22:06] <mozmck> Look at MATE for an updated Gnome2
[10:22:22] <mozmck> Or Cinnamon for something way better than Gnome3
[10:22:58] <skunkworks> can you install cinnamon on wheezy?
[10:23:14] <mozmck> I haven't tried that. You can on Ubuntu easily enough.
[10:24:02] <FinboySlick> mozmck: We're making lxde better :)
[10:24:51] <FinboySlick> Actually, it might be cool to collaborate with linuxcnc.
[10:24:59] <jthornton> lxde seems grainy lacks the bottom bar with the open windows
[10:25:01] * FinboySlick joined the lxde team recently.
[10:25:29] <mozmck> I like LXDE too. Using XFCE right now with Nemo for my file manager though :)
[10:25:29] <FinboySlick> jthornton: There's a task bar in lxde by default.
[10:25:46] <jthornton> it's at the top
[10:26:02] * jthornton has been using ubuntu for too long
[10:26:02] <mozmck> move it to the bottom!
[10:26:02] <FinboySlick> jthornton: Oh, well, you can change that with a couple clicks.
[10:26:45] <cradek> jthornton: rest assured, ubuntu isn't what you want anymore either :-/
[10:26:55] <mozmck> heh, I agree.
[10:27:20] <mozmck> I'm using linux mint 17, xfce, with Nemo for a file manager. my own "hybrid" :)
[10:27:20] <archivist> win8 cures anybody of windows
[10:27:33] <ssi> win98 cured me of windows :)
[10:27:57] <cradek> os/2 warp cured me of windows
[10:28:05] <cradek> (it was a very long time ago)
[10:28:58] <archivist> I never ran os/2
[10:29:30] <cradek> it did some neat things we still don't have anywhere
[10:29:55] <mozmck> I liked os/2 warp as well.
[10:31:38] <archivist> I got unixed way back before linux existed, on an Altoss 1000 with ATT Unix 386 with 12 meg of memory iirc
[10:32:16] <ssi> I started with linux in '95
[10:32:16] <mozmck> Most stuff I work on now has 8K or less of memory :)
[10:32:45] <archivist> I want to get the Altos back up and running one day
[10:34:03] * JT-Shop figured out how to add another panel but not how to attach it to the screen edge lol
[10:34:21] <archivist> 8k is enough for some powerful software
[10:38:23] <PetefromTn_> I have Ubuntu on the Cinci... Been thinking about making my laptop run linux or at least a dual boot
[10:41:07] <PetefromTn_> I could use the learning experience of running linux Schtuff more I think....
[10:42:50] <Rab> PetefromTn_, try virtualization.
[10:42:59] <CaptHindsight> how did I miss this? FFF, Paste, SLA and even a 2.8W laser!
http://3dprint.com/22225/stingray-3d-printer/
[10:43:10] <PetefromTn_> ?
[10:43:36] <jthornton> ssi,
http://gnipsel.com/files/dxf/
[10:43:43] <ssi> CaptHindsight: looks flimsy as hell
[10:43:51] <ssi> jthornton: thanks :)
[10:44:03] <ssi> jthornton: ya ought to get it in git! :D
[10:44:05] <jthornton> enjoy, not many comments
[10:44:06] <PetefromTn_> OMG are they serious>
[10:44:35] <PetefromTn_> looks like a cheap walmart illuminated fishtank LOL
[10:45:05] <CaptHindsight> ssi: using materials like aluminum and steel are considered excesses, old school, overbuilt etc etc
[10:45:54] <ssi> which are all euphemisms for "too expensive"
[10:46:02] <archivist> the laser also cooks the the food extruded /me patents that idea
[10:46:11] <ssi> archivist: that idea has been around awhile
[10:46:21] * archivist sues
[10:46:32] <ssi> that said, I experimented with cutting foodstuffs with a laser, and it makes them taste like shit
[10:46:43] <CaptHindsight> if only we could find a way to make these things from dog turd
[10:46:54] <archivist> with added burnt taste
[10:47:19] <archivist> hey no polishing turds
[10:47:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL I love the video....it starts with " A NEW INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION"..... Priceless...
[10:47:26] <Rab> Lasercut plywood is pretty close, no offense to anybody who's into that.
[10:47:50] <ssi> I made a fair amount of stuff with lasercut plywood; it has its place
[10:48:21] <Rab> It's very telling that Makerbot improved resolution by a factor of 10 by moving to formed sheet metal instead of plywood.
[10:48:21] <t12> its been weird watching this carl bass thing
[10:48:26] <CaptHindsight> everyone knows you're supposed to use sheet metal and then cover it with woodgrain contact paper
[10:48:27] <ssi> Rab:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxXKXHtIIAAZJ_n.jpg:large
[10:48:33] <t12> of him seemingly just overfunding random machineshops that yeild good PR
[10:48:37] <t12> its kinda jelousy inducing
[10:49:16] <CaptHindsight> t12: have a link?
[10:49:17] <skunkworks> I got into linux because of linuxcnc...
[10:49:18] <t12> sec
[10:49:28] <t12> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbM6uQo9zQ&list=UUZC9LGZLfyjrKT4OZne-JNw
[10:49:42] <Rab> ssi, speakers don't count because they magically leverage the good characteristics of any terrible material, eg particle board. ;)
[10:49:57] <ssi> Rab: k, how about this one?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvAkHSIIMAE9PxN.jpg:large
[10:50:00] <ssi> :D
[10:50:09] <Rab> ssi, that said, that's nice looking plywood in a nice looking speaker.
[10:50:09] <t12> i've been to their pier 9 facility mentioned
[10:50:11] <t12> its pretty insane
[10:50:17] <t12> prolly 20+million dollar shop
[10:50:27] <t12> all pristene and seemingly used for just messing around
[10:50:47] <t12> i guess i'm just jelous but i always feel weird when i see sweet equipment being used for mainly hype
[10:50:52] <archivist> messing around...with other peoples money
[10:50:52] <CaptHindsight> tools and money in the wrong hands
[10:51:06] <t12> i mean if I had the patronage i'd prolly do the same thing
[10:51:37] <t12> i suppose i should be happy that a bunch of random people get access to the stuff
[10:51:58] <CaptHindsight> it's sad that it only gets used to make things like fur sinks and electric dog polishers
[10:52:08] <ssi> electric dog polishers?
[10:52:11] <t12> lollin
[10:52:19] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I can't even afford to buy the freakin' retrofit parts I need for my lathe and that is all free?
[10:52:25] <t12> well
[10:52:26] <t12> its unclear
[10:52:31] <t12> i dont see a shop as that is set uop
[10:52:33] <t12> operating at a profit
[10:52:39] <t12> so i assume they just have a pile of money
[10:53:43] <PetefromTn_> man...what am I doin' wrong here LOL...
[10:54:05] <ssi> it's like the old saying goes
[10:54:14] <ssi> how do you make a million dollars as a machinist?
[10:54:22] <ssi> start with 20 million dollars, and make electric dog polishers
[10:54:36] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know right
[10:54:57] <CaptHindsight> it's less what you know and more who you know
[10:55:03] <PetefromTn_> but there sure as hell are folks doing well with it around if you look. Finding the parts and designs that make it is what it takes and that is the hardest part.
[10:55:18] <rootB> hey linux CNC, could you help me out with an end mill issue im having?
[10:55:41] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight You can say that again..
[10:55:51] <archivist> we cant, we dont know the problem
[10:56:00] <CaptHindsight> rootB: whats the actual problem/question/gripe?
[10:58:32] <CaptHindsight> 7000 aluminum bike hubs
[10:58:41] <PetefromTn_> Hey that is a cincinatti press brake...SWEET!
[10:59:27] <rootB> CaptHindsight, I own a desktop CNC router (shapeoko, i've done some modifications to it) and im trying to mill some pine wood. On my various attempts, i have to reduce the cut feedrate due to the fact that my bit either gets stuck on the wood or the wood comes out awful.
[10:59:34] <CaptHindsight> what are they actually making there besides art projects?
[10:59:41] <t12> that is unclear
[10:59:49] <rootB> but it takes lightyears for the piece to come out, which frustrates me a lot
[10:59:59] <PetefromTn_> That press brake is SWEET man I want it LOL
[11:00:11] <t12> also i supposed if cant beat them join them
[11:00:17] <t12> find a way to get access to shop and hold on
[11:00:22] <Rab> t12, Autodesk is trying to stay relevant to the presumably poised-to-explode 3D printing market. They recognize that if the 3D CAD/CAM equivalent of Arduino comes out, everybody will just use that and they'll miss out. Pier 9 is a USD20MM billboard.
[11:00:31] <ssi> I'm well on my way to being a guy like that, tbh
[11:00:34] <archivist> rootB, faster spindle, and the correct router bits
[11:00:35] <t12> Rab: I know
[11:00:38] <ssi> I have more machines than I reasonably ought to
[11:00:42] <t12> its a big show
[11:00:43] <ssi> and I do next to nothing with them
[11:00:53] <t12> lately after working for enough hypey startups though i've found
[11:00:57] <rootB> My machine is using a dewalt DW660 as a spindle which has a 30,000rpm speed.
[11:00:59] <t12> sometimes its both a hype show and maybe real
[11:01:04] <t12> or has potential to be real
[11:01:25] <ssi> shit I'd love to see the 3d printer weenies release some decent 3d machining cad/cam
[11:01:25] <t12> I heard that mori-seki was more or less refusing to give that pier 9 facility the vmc they got
[11:01:34] <t12> because they wanted them to be on produciton lines not on showfloors
[11:01:36] <archivist> rootB, and depth of cut
[11:01:48] <t12> by give i mean allowing them to purchase, not give
[11:01:59] <rootB> archivist, the depth im trying to cut is 19mm
[11:02:11] <archivist> rootB, you need to be able to clear the chips and dust out
[11:02:19] <PetefromTn_> some deep pockets at work there to be sure...
[11:02:49] <t12> I think another way to look at it is
[11:02:51] <archivist> 19 is a lot for a small cutter
[11:03:03] <t12> that they think that the training ground for the next generation of eng's will be the maker world
[11:03:10] <t12> and not trade schools, etc
[11:03:18] <archivist> dreamers
[11:03:20] <ssi> trade schools are dead
[11:03:26] <t12> and if you can be the company that is ubiquitious in that sector for enough years
[11:03:26] <archivist> good boss material
[11:03:36] <t12> that generation of people just uses whatever software they learned on
[11:04:35] <rootB> alright archivist
[11:04:51] <rootB> i think that using my 2 flute endmill from my dremel kit was a mistake then?
[11:05:00] <CaptHindsight> t12: the problem is that they never seem to be able to make anything useful
[11:05:09] <t12> i agree
[11:05:15] <Rab> rootB, is that endmill downcut or upcut?
[11:05:15] <t12> i think some do, but they're not out hyping it
[11:05:15] <CaptHindsight> t12: and they also don't listen to experience
[11:05:20] <t12> so noone ever hears/sees it
[11:05:34] <t12> the stuff with the marketing $ behind it will always be pushed to the front
[11:05:35] <jdh> keyfobs are useful
[11:05:48] <archivist> rootB, at that depth in one cut yes
[11:06:13] <rootB> archivist, i was doing cut depths of 1mm with a cu feedrate of 35 and plunge feedrate of 10
[11:06:18] <rootB> could that been a mistake too?
[11:06:23] <CaptHindsight> t12: on the other hand I also work with top university and gov labs that also can't seem to make things that work either
[11:06:27] <archivist> rootB, add a constant blast of air
[11:06:32] <t12> loll
[11:06:40] <rootB> the time i did it with 0.03mm with those feedrates my controller and steppers got hot as fuck they shut down
[11:06:45] <t12> the skill base is def going away
[11:06:58] <t12> but of course it is if noone can make a living being skilled in the field
[11:07:20] <CaptHindsight> management thinks and engineer is an engineer, there's no difference
[11:08:08] <Rab> rootB, is this the tool you're using?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UDIB/
[11:08:19] <rootB> i think Rab
[11:08:22] <rootB> looks a lot like it
[11:09:04] <Rab> rootB, that's a downcut bit. It's meant to penetrate through the work; using it as an endmill packs chips down into the cut.
[11:10:52] <rootB> oh
[11:10:59] <archivist> and if you use that small a tool you are probably blunting it and just creating heat
[11:11:36] <Rab> Yeah, that particular tool is HSS.
[11:11:46] <rootB> So
[11:11:54] <rootB> all the bits that came on my dremel are downcut bits?
[11:11:56] <rootB> meant to penetrate?
[11:12:33] <archivist> dremel bits are for light duty not for heavy work
[11:12:55] <rootB> so i guess they're not meant for milling at all?
[11:12:59] <Rab> rootB, that particular one is, and I know it comes in a lot of Dremel kits. I don't know if they supply other endmills. But you can easily tell upcut vs downcut by the direction of the flutes vs the motor rotation.
[11:13:24] <Rab> rootB, it's meant for sawing drywall and thin laminate.
[11:13:27] <rootB> I'm very new when it comes to milling so im still learning my 101.
[11:13:35] <rootB> fuck.. that explains a lot.
[11:13:56] <rootB> A LOT.
[11:14:48] <renesis> ha
[11:14:57] <renesis> thats not an endmill, its a router bit
[11:15:16] <Rab> Sawing drywall, you want the "chips" to go out the other side instead of into your face.
[11:15:20] <renesis> for wood, blows chips down
[11:15:46] <renesis> do they work very long in drywall?
[11:15:58] <rootB> thanks a lot linuxCNC
[11:16:02] <Rab> Most all endmills you can find will be upcut, with a very few exceptions for specific cases.
[11:16:15] <cpresser> on the 7i76, its possible to attach a MPG to inputs 16-19. but where would i get the +5V needed for the mpg to operate?
[11:16:19] <rootB> http://www.amazon.com/Amana-Tool-45200-Straight-Diameter/dp/B000K2DO9W
[11:16:22] <rootB> this is the bit im going to use
[11:16:24] <rootB> is this one ok?
[11:16:47] <CaptHindsight> rootB: the cut material has to go somewhere, it doesn't evaporate
[11:17:03] <cpresser> the inputs are isolated field-inputs, so using the +5V from one of the step/dir interfaces doesnt seem right
[11:17:12] <CaptHindsight> evaporate/disappear
[11:17:26] <ssi> cpresser: also I wonder if they'll trigger at 5v if you're running 12 or 24v field voltage
[11:17:34] <rootB> Yeah, now i understand CaptHindsight
[11:17:37] <Rab> rootB, see how the flutes don't spiral on that tool? It won't clear the chips.
[11:17:42] <cpresser> the MPG manual only says '5V operation'
[11:17:42] <ssi> cpresser: the regular field inputs trip at like 60% field voltage, or something along those lines
[11:17:57] <cpresser> the input threshold on those special pins is 2.5V
[11:18:02] <ssi> ok
[11:18:02] <rootB> Yeah Rab.
[11:18:09] <pcw_home> Yes they have a fixed 2.5 v threshold when used for MPGs
[11:18:12] <rootB> So the spirals in the bit are for clearing the chips?
[11:18:36] <Rab> rootB, correct.
[11:18:46] <Rab> rootB, this might work:
http://www.amazon.com/Kodiak-Diameter-Flute-Solid-Carbide/dp/B0070YYL40/
[11:19:28] <rootB> I see
[11:19:39] <rootB> So uhm, you know one that WILL work, rab?
[11:19:40] <cpresser> pcw_home: i assume pin16=A, pin17=B pin18=A2, pin19=B2 (two encoders)
[11:20:17] <Rab> rootB, an 1/8" diameter tool is going to be very delicate. 1mm depth of cut should be fine. 30K RPM spindle pretty much limits you to small diameter tooling.
[11:20:48] <rootB> oh well
[11:21:04] <rootB> it's 8 dollars so im going to buy it
[11:21:05] <Rab> rootB, that one definately will work, much better than the Dremel tool. But if you crash or overstress it, it will break.
[11:21:06] <rootB> and try it
[11:21:24] <rootB> Yeah i suppose that if i crash and overstress it, it's going to pop
[11:21:45] <Rab> rootB, worth a shot. You can find cheaper tooling on eBay, but you might have to wait for it.
[11:22:09] <ssi> I went to frys saturday and they had meanwell 25W 5V frame supplies on sale for $6.99 each
[11:22:12] <ssi> so I bought all of them :D
[11:22:12] <rootB> im not willing to wait, i bought this machine and been trying the wrong bit..
[11:22:19] <rootB> so im ordering it tommorow.
[11:23:17] <pcw_home> cpresser: yes a0,b0,a1,b1
[11:25:02] <pcw_home> even if MPGs are enabled the digital In 16..19still have ~50% field power input threshold
[11:25:12] <Rab> rootB, I like this eBay seller for carbide micromachining tools. Notice the price difference, as well as the range of tooling available:
http://stores.ebay.com/carbideplus
[11:25:45] <cpresser> pcw_home: sure? that doesnt seem to match the manual: " channels, field voltage analog in, and
[11:25:48] <cpresser> 2 MPG encoders on inputs 16..19). Default encoder count mode is 1X to
[11:25:51] <cpresser> match normal 100 PPR MPGs. Encoder input threshold is fixed at 2.5V for
[11:25:53] <cpresser> compatibility with 5V encoder outputs."
[11:26:15] <pcw_home> it is for the MPG but not the input bits
[11:26:29] <cpresser> ah okay. now i do understand :)
[11:26:49] <ssi> I don't follow that
[11:26:52] <pcw_home> all inputs are analog so all thresholds are software
[11:26:57] <ssi> OH i see
[11:27:00] <rootB> there's a lot of variety, Rab
[11:27:13] <cpresser> does the dsPIC run with 5V? if yes, how much additional current draw does its supply allow?
[11:27:15] <ssi> thats nuts; I didn't realize the field inputs were all analog
[11:27:27] <pcw_home> 3.3v
[11:27:34] <Rab> rootB, sure. You need different tooling for different materials and types of cuts. For wood, it doesn't matter as much.
[11:27:53] <cpresser> to bad.. ill build/use a 12V->5V module then
[11:28:01] <rootB> yeah i suppose
[11:28:11] <ssi> cpresser: just to supply the mpg?
[11:28:11] <rootB> im gonna try the amazon one
[11:28:17] <cpresser> ssi: yes
[11:28:18] <rootB> and mill a few things on wood finally
[11:28:22] <rootB> thanks a lot ofr the help
[11:28:27] <ssi> any reason why you can't just use the 5v supply for the step side?
[11:28:43] <cpresser> its isolated from field ip
[11:28:44] <Rab> rootB, of course. Good luck!
[11:28:45] <cpresser> ~io
[11:29:03] <cpresser> i would need to connect grounds. that doesnt seem right :)
[11:29:22] <ssi> fair enough :P
[11:30:15] <rootB> BTW
[11:30:17] <rootB> do you know any site
[11:30:28] <rootB> where i can further my CNC knowledge and not look like an idiot next time i come here?
[11:30:41] <pcw_home> If i dId it again (and I dont intend to for a while) I would use a field pwr --> 5V switcher--> LDO for 3.3 so isolated 5V was available
[11:30:56] <ssi> rootB: you don't look like an idiot for not knowing about the finer points of cutter geometry
[11:31:00] <PetefromTn_> youtube.... you can learn anything on youtube if you use the right searchwords
[11:31:25] <ssi> rootB: a handful of folks here know a ton about it, but most of us are just stumbling arong in that arena :)
[11:31:39] <jdh> Pete: and some things you don't want to.
[11:32:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah its the internet...there is ALWAYS shit you did not want to know popping up unfortunately
[11:32:59] <jdh> I ran across a "DIY Brazillian Wax" video while looking at CNC lathes
[11:33:04] <ssi> lol
[11:33:41] <cpresser> pcw_home: sounds good. i was about to suggest something like that
[11:37:53] <Rab> rootB, the Shapeoko forums are pretty good.
[11:38:06] <pcw_home> having isolated field power probably saved PetefromTn_'s control from more damage (He got 220V on a field output pin)
[11:39:12] <Rab> rootB, here's another good resource, if you can ignore the constant plugs for their software:
http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCCNCMillFeedsSpeeds.htm
[11:39:26] <Rab> See Basic Concepts for Beginners, etc
[11:41:46] <jthornton> rootB, gnipsel.com/linuxcnc no ads or bs
[11:43:17] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home So pleased I could be of assistance heh
[11:43:38] <PetefromTn_> Did you get a chance to look at my 7i77 card yet?
[11:44:27] <ssi> I seem to remember seeing him say in here that it looked pretty well toasted
[11:44:38] <ssi> although not as toasted as my 7i76! D:
[11:44:49] <jdh> not economical to repair or something?
[11:44:51] <PetefromTn_> I did not see that
[11:45:11] <PetefromTn_> I would have thought I would get a call or email or something
[11:45:22] <jdh> how '80s
[11:46:39] <pcw_home> I just about gave up but it may be fixed now (4 chips bad)
[11:46:59] <PetefromTn_> seriously...that sucks
[11:47:16] <PetefromTn_> is it gonna cost more to fix than it is worth?
[11:47:22] <pcw_home> (had to wait to get some driver chips back from our assy house)
[11:48:23] <pcw_home> bad chips: both driver chips, switching regulator, DSPic
[11:49:06] <PetefromTn_> if it will work it will be running that new CNC lathe I bought at some point here..
[11:49:15] <ssi> are there schematics for these boards anywhere?
[11:53:16] <pcw_home> We will provide schematics for customers that wish to repair out of warranty cards
[11:53:27] <ssi> ahh gotcha
[11:59:12] <ssi> gah I have so much to get done, I don't even know where to start
[12:07:02] <ssi> question
[12:07:02] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/3M-16570-Accuspray-Model-Spray/dp/B003TODXUI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415641627&sr=8-1&keywords=3m+accuspray
[12:07:05] <ssi> I want one of those
[12:07:12] <ssi> any thoughts on what suppliers might have them locally?
[12:07:16] <ssi> like, that I can get today? :D
[12:07:24] <Rab> ssi, Grainger.
[12:07:28] <ssi> ugh
[12:07:30] <ssi> yeah they have it
[12:07:32] <ssi> for TWICE the money
[12:07:40] <ssi> I'm impatient, but I'm not sure I'm that impatient
[12:08:04] <Rab> I feel your pain. ;) Grainger is good for somebody else's money.
[12:08:11] <ssi> holy shit they want $52 for a 4pk of heads for it
[12:08:15] <ssi> they're $17 on amazon for a 4pk
[12:09:40] <Rab> ssi, you could try a marine supply, if that sort of thing exists in your area.
[12:09:41] <CaptHindsight> 3pack of spray guns at HB for less :)
[12:09:49] <CaptHindsight> HF not HB
[12:09:56] <ssi> yea we have west marine
[12:10:17] <jdh> anything that says 'boat' cost twcie as much
[12:10:23] <ssi> west wants $235 for it
[12:10:24] <ssi> bluh
[12:11:12] <ssi> amazon doesn't have that exact gun for overnight delivery available right now
[12:11:12] <jdh> mcmaster?
[12:11:34] <ssi> but I can get this one overnight
[12:11:35] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/3M-16587-Accuspray-Spray-Gun/dp/B00AJVE1ZU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1415641893&sr=8-6&keywords=3m+accuspray
[12:12:32] <ssi> mcmaster doesn't carry them I don't think
[12:12:40] <CaptHindsight> an auto body shop supplier will probably be the same or more but in stock today
[12:14:28] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00829R6WQ/fpv-20/
[12:14:31] <koss> ^ lol nice "spray gun"
[12:14:38] <koss> funny the pic on the preview page was correct
[12:14:43] <ssi> ha
[12:14:54] <ssi> when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a spray gun
[12:16:03] <CaptHindsight> you can get a Graco gun at ~60 locations around Atlanta
[12:16:50] <CaptHindsight> did you check with any 3M dealers in the area?
[12:17:59] <ssi> according to 3m's site, all the 3m dealers in atlanta are west marine :P
[12:18:30] <ssi> oh that's 3m marine products haha
[12:18:35] <ssi> THAT MAKES MORE SENSE
[12:18:59] <ssi> oh well I guess I'll just borrow one tonight
[12:19:53] <jdh> 3M 5200 is the best thing ever for boats
[12:20:28] <ssi> I'm gonna grab some 3m 1357 contact cement at spruce today
[12:20:31] <ssi> as well as some poly-tak
[12:20:54] <ssi> the 1357 is expensive, $40/qt, but by all accounts its the best contact cement on earth
[12:21:42] <jdh> that's a lot of contact cement. I have probably used 4oz in my life.
[12:22:01] <ssi> I'm spraying it, for upholstery
[12:22:48] <jdh> how long do you get before the nozzle clogs?
[12:23:25] <CaptHindsight> ssi: just talked to the #m rep he said they don't track inventory
[12:23:27] <ssi> we were spraying weldwood HHR yesterday, and it'll sit in the gun for hours without setting
[12:23:32] <CaptHindsight> you have to call the dealers
[12:23:49] <ssi> next day, it'd be solid, but it doesn't stick to the polypro cup and nozzle parts of that disposable tip 3m sprayer
[12:23:54] <ssi> so you can just pull the set glue out of it and reuse them
[12:25:37] <CaptHindsight> just don't spray polypropylene adhesive
[12:25:43] <ssi> lol ya
[12:25:49] <ssi> did the embroidery yesterday too
[12:25:49] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/9766_10100520524791652_4657380844245345821_n.jpg?oh=c70992eaa2662bc8482777750adb367a&oe=54E650DD
[12:26:03] <ssi> although now I'm second guessing myself on the placement
[12:28:51] <jthornton> looking good
[14:19:17] <Jymmm> /join #adium
[16:03:29] <CaptHindsight> /join #irctypos
[16:29:00] <Deejay> gn8
[17:22:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: More like, where's the trim() function when you need it =)
[17:45:01] <Tom_itx> high today 77 overnight 17 then 39
[17:57:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: <--- poor cold bastard!
[17:57:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah highs in the 20's all next week
[17:57:59] * Jymmm hands Tom_itx a lump of coal or two
[18:02:48] <Jymmm> Ouch, I really do feel for you guys. CaptHindsight easy coast?
[18:02:52] <Jymmm> east*
[18:03:29] <CaptHindsight> Chicago
[18:03:34] <Jymmm> ouch
[18:04:14] <CaptHindsight> was hoping this winter would not be a repeat of last year
[18:04:29] <Jymmm> oh, the power outages?
[18:05:16] <CaptHindsight> the day after day of high of maybe 10 and low of -10
[18:05:34] <CaptHindsight> we were freezing until April
[18:05:59] <Jymmm> oh man.
[18:07:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: how do you heat your place?
[18:07:56] <CaptHindsight> gas
[18:08:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: has it ever gone out?
[18:08:11] <Jymmm> the gas
[18:08:17] <CaptHindsight> never the gas
[18:08:30] <Jymmm> good to hear.
[18:08:39] <CaptHindsight> occasionally power so the furnace can't run
[18:09:06] <Jymmm> oh joy. you need a lpg generator
[18:09:33] <Jymmm> they have tri-fuel kits for the honda gens
[18:09:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ^^^^
[18:09:55] <CaptHindsight> the power here is underground, so it rarely goes down
[18:10:50] <Jymmm> We had a mandatory rolling blackout during the enron crap. gf was sicker tha a dwg, middle of summer, not even a fan to cool off with, and lost our reef tank.
[18:10:57] <Jymmm> I sad never again after that.
[18:11:03] <Jymmm> said*
[18:11:18] <CaptHindsight> I remember those there
[18:11:50] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[18:11:52] <Jymmm> That reminds me, I need to test run my gen.
[18:11:53] <Jymmm> k
[18:33:37] <mozmck> wood heat here.
[18:33:57] <mozmck> Power was out for over a week several years ago and we hardly noticed :)
[18:35:20] <Jymmm> mozmck: I'm working on the idea of fire produce electricity, but right now on the 12VDC side (backpackable)
[18:36:00] <mozmck> peltier?
[18:36:49] <Jymmm> mozmck: No, too unreliable. more steam'ish type thing, but trying for not having a "boiler"
[18:37:13] <Jymmm> mozmck: basically minimal water usage, and closed system.
[18:37:27] <Jymmm> recirculitaory.
[18:37:28] <mozmck> ah, I see. peltier is also not very efficient.
[18:37:43] <mozmck> but if you have steam, then you have a boiler!
[18:37:44] <Jymmm> I see them burn out too often too
[18:37:58] <Jymmm> well I mean a storage tank
[18:38:06] <Jymmm> or tanks
[18:38:33] <Jymmm> basically no more than a gallon of water to run for hours
[18:38:47] <mozmck> yeah, more like a water tube boiler. use a turbine - nothing like something running at 60k rpm on your back :)
[18:39:16] <Jymmm> hahaha, no no that's just for transport, not operation =)
[18:39:45] <Jymmm> basically stick a coil in the fire/coals
[18:39:47] <mozmck> I see :)
[18:39:54] <mozmck> sounds interesting!
[18:40:27] <Jymmm> like the coild shown here
http://i48.tinypic.com/jfwy82.jpg
[19:05:45] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, check the national map. it's hitting all of us
[19:06:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's not negative anythng here though.
[19:06:47] <Tom_itx> here either
[19:07:03] <Tom_itx> those guys on deadliest catch came back in because of it
[19:07:22] <Tom_itx> they were talking to them yesterday
[19:08:09] <PetefromTn_> Damn I need to get this new heat and air unit installed something quick...
[19:08:56] <Tom_itx> like tonight?
[19:09:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: just use lots of DUCT tape =)
[19:09:20] <PetefromTn_> well tomorrow I have a friend coming over to help me move it into position.
[19:09:30] <PetefromTn_> thing weighs like 350 pounds or so
[19:09:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: LOTS AND LOTS of duct tape
[19:10:17] <PetefromTn_> I installed the new emergency heat coil into the thing this afternoon and started installing all the new digital programmable thermostat just now.
[19:11:27] <PetefromTn_> dunno when it is supposed to get here the cold I mean but I am trying to get it installed properly and so that it will be as efficient as possible once it is installed.
[19:12:19] <PetefromTn_> I actually need to go buy some of that aluminum tape so I can install the new ducting and seal it up nice
[19:32:05] <zeeshan|2> anyone else run a k7-400mx
[19:32:55] <zeeshan|2> i mean a7v400-mx
[19:33:39] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ruby-electronics.com/images/mb-as-a7v400-mx-b.jpg
[19:33:50] <zeeshan|2> its pretty old :P
[19:36:35] <XXCoder> wow its actually older than mine
[20:10:09] <pcw_home> I think I have one like that (AGP video?)
[20:18:26] <XXCoder> agp type yeah
[20:18:37] <XXCoder> jeez firefox updates each fucking day nowdays
[20:52:41] <Tom_itx> XXCoder turn off updates
[20:52:58] <XXCoder> I do want updates but not that often
[21:12:03] <roycroft> firefox has always updated almost every day
[21:12:25] <roycroft> that's why it has 37 digit minor release numbers
[21:13:00] <roycroft> turn off auto updates and update manually when you feel like it
[21:18:54] <Jymmm> Heh, I update like 30 days after a new release. Then everyone else can rant and complain first before I have to deal with that bs
[21:19:21] <roycroft> my main problem is some virtual machines that i don't use often
[21:19:37] <roycroft> if i haven't fired one up in a year or two, when i do firefox is like 187 versions out of date
[21:20:01] <roycroft> so far out of date that it has to update its updater, then updated the browser itself, usually several times before it's up to date
[21:20:32] <roycroft> i try not to use firefox much, but when i'm forced to use windows i'd rather use firefox than internet explorer
[21:31:46] <XXCoder> roy unfortunately fox has featureset I like
[21:34:30] <PetefromTn_> I used to use Firefox all the time for years but I switched to chrome because they have built in translation options that are nice to have for certain situations. I have quite a few foreign customers now that I speak to on other forums that are not in english. It is nice to not have to bother with a seperate translator. It is not perfect but it works well for me.
[21:42:42] <Computer_Barf> sup reprap
[21:43:03] <PetefromTn_> Oh please no..
[21:43:56] <Computer_Barf> i would switch to chrome but i have too many plugins that I love.
[21:46:24] <Computer_Barf> ive decided I need to get the wires on my printer under control
[21:46:26] <roycroft> i try to avoid anything from google whenever possible
[22:26:41] <XXCoder> google owns all
[22:26:51] <XXCoder> resistance is fulule
[22:26:56] <XXCoder> cant spell that word bah
[22:28:17] <PetefromTn_> http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/00/42/82/0042820c4fb88e75ec3c328477237757.jpg If google looks like this Borg I am all in... hehe
[22:28:31] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:28:42] <XXCoder> someone 'shopped her already huge breasts to insane level
[22:29:27] <XXCoder> real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine#mediaviewer/File:SevenofNine.jpg
[22:32:02] <PetefromTn_> yup Jeri Ryan is a babe for sure...
[22:33:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:36:18] <roycroft> i prefer counsillor cleavage, myself
[22:36:55] <PetefromTn_> meh she was much too touchy feely LOL
[22:37:24] <XXCoder> well one postive/negative thing is she knows what you're feeling
[22:37:25] <roycroft> but she has huge tracts of land
[22:38:59] <PetefromTn_> I thought Chase Masterson the Dabo Girl from Deep Space Nine was one of the hottest Star Trek Chicks...
[22:42:22] <PetefromTn_> Worked on my lathe a bit more today.
[22:42:30] <XXCoder> honestly I find lady smartness more sexy than body
[22:42:38] <XXCoder> if shes a looker its a nice bonus
[22:42:45] <PetefromTn_> still trying to get it stripped down for paint.
[22:50:38] <XXCoder> yeah>
[22:50:48] <XXCoder> cool. I guess old paint was a loss
[22:53:03] <PetefromTn_> actually someone TRIED to repaint the damn thing and was a chucklehead with a mop.
[22:53:31] <XXCoder> oh jeez. bad restores is 100 times worse than worn
[22:54:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah well good news is the paint remover I am using takes it right off.
[22:55:08] <PetefromTn_> but the machine has a lot of sheetmetal and enclosures etc so it takes awhile..
[22:59:12] <XXCoder> well it helps that its nicely removable
[22:59:28] <XXCoder> but how about using those crappy sponge painbtbrushes to apply paint remover?
[22:59:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah I wish I had the cash to take them down and have them powdercoated and blasted
[22:59:56] <PetefromTn_> the remover I use sprays on.
[23:00:44] <ssi> ttps://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10362376_10100520979859692_5314855877350045357_n.jpg?oh=bcf82e8775a0aaba60a1801444c0705f&oe=54EF7E63
[23:00:51] <ssi> https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10362376_10100520979859692_5314855877350045357_n.jpg?oh=bcf82e8775a0aaba60a1801444c0705f&oe=54EF7E63
[23:00:54] <ssi> is getting there
[23:05:26] <handmill> hi
[23:05:48] <handmill> i have a cnc machine that work with stepper motors and mach3
[23:06:04] <handmill> now i want to move to servo motors.
[23:06:20] <handmill> what is the best way to do it?
[23:06:53] <ssi> what are your goals?
[23:07:45] <XXCoder> and what's design?
[23:20:29] <handmill> I want a cnc that will be fast without to lose steps.
[23:20:57] <handmill> I have no name milling machine from ebay
[23:23:09] <XXCoder> if I understand sites right spidle with encoders would definitely help
[23:23:19] <XXCoder> but not expert here. I only know large machines lol
