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[00:00:57] <PetefromTn_andro> I wish I did not have to blow my spare change getting it here and buying the air conditioner unit now I gotta wait until I can afford the new electronics
[00:01:17] <Connor> yea. That kinda sucks
[00:01:34] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah man but it's all good
[00:01:56] <PetefromTn_andro> I am going to have a sweet cnc lathe here soon
[00:02:28] <Connor_iPad> Yup.
[00:02:50] <PetefromTn_andro> Need to figure out what kind of encoder is on that spindle
[00:03:35] <zeeshan|2> motor spins
[00:03:36] <zeeshan|2> !
[00:03:47] <zeeshan|2> at full speed
[00:03:47] <PetefromTn_andro> Maybe I can ask Santa Claus for new servos and drivers ;)
[00:03:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:03:52] <Connor_iPad> At full speed?
[00:03:56] <zeeshan|2> haha yea
[00:04:03] <zeeshan|2> cause its outputting 172vdc
[00:04:13] <zeeshan|2> scared the shit out of me
[00:04:48] <PetefromTn_andro> I clamped the motors down to my workbench
[00:04:57] <zeeshan|2> thats a good idea
[00:05:00] <PetefromTn_andro> When testing them
[00:05:04] <zeeshan|2> this is definitely no stepper!
[00:05:07] <Connor_iPad> Hopefully santa can bring them.
[00:05:10] <zeeshan|2> it was aggressive
[00:05:21] <zeeshan|2> im gonna throw them in the vises
[00:05:21] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:05:33] <PetefromTn_andro> They have a Shit load of torture even without a pulley and can spin
[00:05:53] <zeeshan|2> im so happy
[00:05:59] <zeeshan|2> i paid 240$
[00:06:04] <zeeshan|2> for 5 amc servo drives
[00:06:07] <zeeshan|2> and they all work
[00:06:11] <zeeshan|2> at least in test mode
[00:06:19] <PetefromTn_andro> spin and rip the damn wires out or worse
[00:06:24] <zeeshan|2> thank you ssi!
[00:07:55] <PetefromTn_andro> Would be sweet to get a pair of nema 34 ac servos and buy some of those amc drives for this lathe
[00:08:19] <PetefromTn_andro> Would probably save me a lot of money
[00:09:17] <PetefromTn_andro> Well gn8 heading to bed..
[00:09:27] <Connor_iPad> Good night
[00:09:48] <PetefromTn_andro> Lemme know when you want to get together man
[00:09:59] <Connor_iPad> Will do.
[00:44:38] <ds3> |
[02:10:21] <Deejay> moin
[07:06:41] <ssi> lol
[07:25:22] <asdfasd> anyone here having co2 laser? I want to know if possible to cut alupanel/dibond with 90 or 120W co2 laser
[07:33:10] <Loetmichel> asdfasd: i had no luck with an 80W one
[07:33:21] <Loetmichel> until i painted the top layer black
[07:34:25] <Loetmichel> ... and then it melted the PE core badly so the cuts were about 2mm "hiollow"
[07:34:27] <Loetmichel> hollow
[07:52:05] <Tom_itx> Connor how did you handle the relay on your spindle reverse?
[08:14:25] <JT-Shop> what's up Tom_itx
[08:14:43] <Tom_itx> just waiting for spindle timing pulleys
[08:15:14] <Tom_itx> PCW the 'Back to home page' links at the bottom of your pages is broken...
[08:15:57] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, looking forward to one day having reverse on it
[08:16:33] <JT-Shop> nice
[08:18:01] <Tom_itx> i've been going thru alot of belts so i think it's time to go with timing pulleys / belts
[08:37:11] <Tom_itx> i didn't realize
http://designatronics.com/ was part of sdp-si.com
[08:42:54] <asdfasd> thanks
[08:43:08] <asdfasd> Loetmichel: thanks
[08:46:14] <asdfasd> Loetmichel: it must be something strange with ally, only 1 video found on youtube, they blow nitrogen through the nossle instead of air
[09:00:16] <jdh> cutting Al with a small co2 laser seems unlikely?
[09:01:04] <cpresser> asdfasd: you need more power :)
[09:01:38] <jdh> like, 1000 more watts
[09:02:17] <cpresser> i tried aluminium foil with a 150W. it only makes dangerous reflections
[09:03:49] <jdh> I found with a fiber fed yag you need to be offset with shiny metal
[09:03:57] <jdh> or you buy a new fiber
[09:06:47] <Tom_itx> playing with fire...
[09:10:29] <gonzo_> you now have some pretty patterns burnt on the ceiling?
[09:11:26] <Deejay> :D
[09:11:48] <Tom_itx> gives new meaning to hologram
[09:12:01] <Deejay> nice idea. a cnc machine to burn patterns on the ceiling (instead of painting)
[09:19:52] <gonzo_> It could have saved Michelangelo a hell of a lot of work
[09:22:30] <jdh> then what would he have done all day
[10:11:35] <zeeshan|2> mornin
[10:25:46] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Ug
[11:03:33] <Zewwy> holy crap ther eis an EMC channel!
[11:03:40] <Zewwy> Woooo!
[11:03:54] <Zewwy> or wait...
[11:04:38] <Zewwy> linuxcnc..
[11:08:05] <zeeshan|2> :D
[11:08:17] <zeeshan|2> woohooo finally got the motor to speed up and slow down
[11:08:44] <zeeshan|2> i guess next step is building the control cabiet
[11:09:06] <jdh> Zewwy: EMC will be happy to sell you a support contract.
[11:09:11] <Zewwy> have one
[11:09:17] <Zewwy> have an SR open too
[11:09:26] <jdh> we are more fun.
[11:09:33] <Deejay> :D
[11:09:40] <Zewwy> tried to renew teh SSL cert on UniSPhere
[11:09:48] <Zewwy> lets just say the article on their site was lacking
[11:10:29] <Zewwy> and I broke UniSphere pretty bad, their normal fix of chaning teh MGMT IP and back again, which should regenerate a new self signed cert failed.... and it got pushed up to "engineering"
[11:10:58] <Zewwy> Came back to me with 17 steps... which requires elevated root permissions... which for some reason I can access
[11:11:04] <Zewwy> can't
[11:11:17] * jdh hands Zewwy some CNC
[11:11:43] <Zewwy> I should have got into CNC stuff when I had the chance
[11:11:46] * cradek hands Zewwy freebsd with zfs
[11:11:59] * Zewwy has no freebsd experience :S
[11:12:10] <jdh> but, then you wouldn't be locked in to a proprietary storage 'solution'
[11:12:33] <Zewwy> yeap... not a big fan of propriatary
[11:12:42] <Zewwy> Cisco...
[11:12:50] <cradek> ugh let's not talk about emc the company
[11:13:00] <cradek> have had plenty of that for one lifetime
[11:13:15] <Zewwy> ahhh so whats this EMC stand for.. sorry
[11:13:47] * Zewwy shuts about EMC Corp
[11:32:44] <Tom_itx> Evolved Monkey Combat
[11:33:01] <Tom_itx> ... it was on the list of acronyms
[12:54:11] <Connor> Man. It's DEAD in here today.
[12:55:20] * syyl_ws drops a needle
[12:55:51] * archivist knibbles a cheeeeeez roll
[13:07:08] <roycroft> folks, i have some polished ss tubing that i need to support
[13:07:40] <roycroft> i found some nice ss support brackets, but the finish on them is not that great, and they would likely mar the finish on the tubing
[13:07:55] <roycroft> i need some kind of pads to put on the brackets so that does not happen
[13:08:11] <roycroft> this needs to handle temperatures up to 100c
[13:08:22] <_methods> asthetic?
[13:08:28] <roycroft> i was thinking of silicone straps, but i'm having trouble finding such stuff
[13:08:29] <_methods> or function?
[13:08:37] <roycroft> for the pads?
[13:08:38] <roycroft> both
[13:08:57] <roycroft> the tubing will be disassembled and reassembled frequently
[13:09:02] <roycroft> i don't want to scratch it all up
[13:09:27] <_methods> PVDF (Polyvinylidene Fluoride)?
[13:09:27] <roycroft> i'm afraid rubber would start getting gooey at that temperature over time
[13:09:47] <_methods> delrin?
[13:10:09] <roycroft> is that stuff available as a "tape"?
[13:10:22] <_methods> hmmm
[13:10:28] <_methods> you need it to be tape form?
[13:10:31] <roycroft> i basically need thing strips about 12mmx80mm
[13:10:38] <roycroft> i don't need adhesive backing
[13:10:52] <roycroft> but if it came with an adhesive backing that's rated to 100c that would be fine
[13:10:52] <_methods> ah just thin bars
[13:10:54] <roycroft> yes
[13:11:05] <roycroft> i just want to line the brackets so there is not a metal on metal connection
[13:11:10] <_methods> yeah
[13:11:15] <roycroft> a little cushion
[13:11:25] <roycroft> 1mm thick would be fine
[13:11:40] <roycroft> a little thicker would be ok, but not too much, or the brackets would not fit
[13:12:02] <roycroft> if it were lower temperature i'd just get a bicycle inner tube slice it up, and glue it on
[13:12:39] <Connor> kapton tape ?
[13:12:43] <_methods> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-pvdf-sheets/=ug8ud8
[13:13:50] <roycroft> kapton is probably not the right thing
[13:13:58] <_methods> the other high temp plastics get kinda expensive
[13:14:02] <roycroft> the pdvf product might work
[13:14:07] <_methods> pvdf is fairly cheap
[13:14:08] <roycroft> yes, and it's not really high temp
[13:14:11] <roycroft> it's more like medium temp
[13:14:14] <_methods> yeah
[13:14:21] <roycroft> 100c is really as hot as it will get
[13:14:32] <roycroft> it will handle boiling liquid, but never steam
[13:14:37] <_methods> 200c is a good safety cover
[13:15:16] <_methods> i think polysulfone is kinda cheap too
[13:15:22] <_methods> and might be more durable
[13:15:32] <roycroft> pvdf is rated to 130c
[13:15:33] <roycroft> which is fine
[13:16:39] <_methods> thinnest mcmaster has of polysulfone is 3/8"
[13:16:56] <roycroft> polysulphone sheets are thick
[13:16:57] <roycroft> yeah
[13:16:59] <roycroft> that's too thick
[13:17:04] <roycroft> pfdf would be just fine though
[13:26:38] <roycroft> thanks, _methods
[13:26:42] <_methods> np
[13:27:34] <_methods> let me know how it works out
[13:30:48] <roycroft> sure
[13:30:55] <roycroft> it will be a while
[13:31:20] <roycroft> i just ordered one of the brackets, as the vendor isn't very communicative, so i thought i'd just try one
[13:31:24] <roycroft> and it's coming from china on a slow boat
[13:31:30] <roycroft> i should have it by year's end :)
[13:31:33] <_methods> yeah
[13:31:38] <_methods> i love my random chinese gifts
[13:31:50] <_methods> i order stuff all the time and forget about it
[13:32:01] <roycroft> yup
[13:32:08] <roycroft> i usually have several projects going at once
[13:32:25] <roycroft> so i order what i need when i'm in design/procurement stage, then move on to the next project until stuff arrives
[13:33:38] <roycroft> there's going to be a special car talk episode saturday - a tribute to ray magliozzi, hosted by tom
[13:34:32] <roycroft> or the other way around :)
[13:34:36] <roycroft> a tribute to tom, hosted by ray
[13:34:50] <roycroft> it was click who died, not clack
[13:56:39] <jdh> I really can't stand that show.
[13:56:56] <jdh> not to speak ill of anyone, but they are annoying
[13:57:01] <Connor> Which show ?
[13:57:06] <jdh> car talk
[13:57:09] <Connor> Oh
[13:57:13] <Connor> I never listened to it.
[13:57:22] <roycroft> i find it entertaining
[13:57:28] <jdh> you probably did for a few minutes. that's all it takes.
[13:57:32] <roycroft> i'm supposed to hate it, because i own vw buses
[13:57:42] <jdh> maybe if you are a yankee
[13:57:48] <roycroft> and tom and ray really maligned vs buses unfairly
[13:58:17] <roycroft> but i listen to it as entertainment, not as an informational show
[13:58:21] <jdh> well, they are butt ugly with crap drive trains
[13:58:27] <jdh> but, if that's what you like, go for it.
[13:59:16] <roycroft> yup
[13:59:22] <roycroft> different strokes for different folks
[13:59:54] <jdh> it's america damnit, you are free to collect stamped sheetmetal rustbuckets if that is your desire.
[14:00:16] <roycroft> you're talking about japanese cars now, right?
[14:00:55] <roycroft> although out here, even japanese cars are remakably rust-free
[14:01:01] <roycroft> remarkably
[14:01:19] <roycroft> on the rare occasion that it snows here, we apply sand to our streets
[14:01:43] <jdh> here too.
[14:01:46] <jdh> we have lots of sand.
[14:02:18] <roycroft> if youn live in minnesota your car starts rusting as you drive it off the dealer's lot
[14:03:09] <jdh> if you live in minnesota, you have other problems.
[14:20:37] <theorbtwo> Surely, japanese cars have too much plastic to do much rusting?
[15:08:47] <SolarNRG> hi all
[15:08:54] <SolarNRG> Can I share some pics?
[15:09:30] <CaptHindsight> desalinator?
[15:09:54] <SolarNRG> yep
[15:09:54] <SolarNRG> http://imgur.com/HA9G3hJ,e5ulJ2X,s2lIfe3 ,
http://imgur.com/HA9G3hJ,e5ulJ2X,s2lIfe3#1 ,
http://imgur.com/HA9G3hJ,e5ulJ2X,s2lIfe3#2
[15:10:24] <SolarNRG> 1st image is the ec meter the pic didn't show it but the 10x indicator blinked on and off adn the camera snapped it on the off blink so that's acutally 1090 ppm
[15:10:30] <SolarNRG> the 2nd image is the distilled water
[15:11:27] <SolarNRG> I did a pre-boil with no lid for a good half an hour before locking the lid on, linking up the tube oh and I coiled a copper wire round the stainless pipe seemed to make the water leave the hot end about 5 degrees coooler
[15:11:40] <SolarNRG> just wish I could bend copper pipe to like 12mm inner diameter round
[15:11:53] <SolarNRG> that copper pipe is 8mm diam and the stainless pipe is about 12mm diam
[15:12:01] <SolarNRG> the 3rd image shows the entire setup from above
[15:12:09] <SolarNRG> what do u guys think?
[15:12:28] <SolarNRG> when its done I'll photo what's left from the tap water so u can see what u've been drinking
[15:12:54] <SolarNRG> The pre-boil seems to have even furhter lowered the ppm count
[15:13:00] <CaptHindsight> that's where the flavor comes from
[15:13:58] <SolarNRG> I dunno but I dread the idea that one day I'm gonna have no water in my tap, tomorrow I'm gonna try the thing again with seawater because I'm going to the beach with grandma tomorrow
[15:14:39] <JT-Shop> a pre-boil will raise the ppm of solids in water
[15:15:04] <jdh> since you boil off the water (and other volatiles)
[15:15:24] <SolarNRG> jt ur right, but it will get rid of some of the volatiles before distillation, i.e. boil other substances with boiling points below 100 degrees in the water
[15:15:43] <SolarNRG> the water in the cooker sure that ppm is gonna be loads high
[15:16:22] <SolarNRG> but today I demonstrated a further 60% reduction in ppm count in the condensed water by doing a pre-boil
[15:18:18] <JT-Shop> do you mean things like chlorine? at 4 ppm in city water
[15:18:35] <SolarNRG> Would I be better off just putting one big copper pipe jacket all the way around the stainless pipe?
[15:18:58] <jdh> what are you leaching out of the condensor? You should go for all glass.
[15:19:03] <JT-Shop> are you making moonshine?
[15:19:09] <Zewwy> lol..
[15:19:15] <_methods> hehe
[15:19:26] <SolarNRG> I have no idea what's in the water I'm just working on a way to turn seawater into drinkable water and I'm using some dirty tap water cos it's all I got to work on right now
[15:19:38] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[15:20:10] <SolarNRG> jt-shop, I COULD make a moonshine dispenser and I got the PID controller, maybe after the seawater u can tell me how to rig it up to the cooker so it clicks on and off and stays at 65 so I can condense off the methylated spirit
[15:20:48] <SolarNRG> I spoke to a lawyer today, in this jurisdiction there's no issue moonshining for personal use
[15:21:18] <SolarNRG> bit concerned about ethanol vapour tho, heard its flammable
[15:21:32] <jdh> what jurisdiction?
[15:21:35] <SolarNRG> might need to hook up cooker wire out to the shed
[15:21:36] <jdh> certainly not .us
[15:21:41] <JT-Shop> can you say proof testing
[15:21:50] <SolarNRG> nah I'm not in that dictatorship run by an african certainly not
[15:22:10] <SolarNRG> yeah proof testing for xmas
[15:22:11] <SolarNRG> make some moonshine
[15:22:11] <JT-Shop> yea, it's only illegal here if you get caught
[15:22:19] <SolarNRG> hahahaha
[15:22:26] <CaptHindsight> oligarchy not dictatorship
[15:22:42] <SolarNRG> the finest government in the world money can buy :)
[15:23:17] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v6r8jjjgb97igd8/distillersketch.jpg?dl=0
[15:24:47] <SolarNRG> aww brilliant never thought of that but u get a much higher surface area to vol ratio that way
[15:25:03] <_methods> kinda ghetto
[15:25:05] <SolarNRG> that stainless pipe was a b***h to bend
[15:25:28] <SolarNRG> I got a cooking element and a pid controller and a k type thermocouple
[15:25:32] <SolarNRG> no idea how to wire them up yet tho
[15:25:35] <_methods> but it looks fairly effective in an end of the world way lol
[15:26:34] <_methods> run the distilled water through an activated charcoal filter and boom
[15:26:50] <CaptHindsight> yes, ethanol and methanol vapor make great fuels
[15:26:58] <SolarNRG> I got one today for 17 quid problem is its like got a hollow tube running through the middle and the water's supposed to go outwards
[15:27:11] <SolarNRG> can I put methanol in my car?
[15:27:49] <SolarNRG> well ethanol I want to drink at xmas, methanol umm lighting the barbeque?
[15:28:03] <SolarNRG> I think the PID method would be great for separating meths from eths
[15:28:26] <SolarNRG> hang on I'll dig out the pid and take a photo maybe u can tell me what I got to wire up to where
[15:37:00] <roycroft> i think dumping the first runnings is just as good a way
[15:42:35] <JT-Shop> sop
[15:43:04] <SolarNRG> ok guys I got my PID just uploading the images now
[15:43:14] <SolarNRG> and I found the cooker wire and the kapton tape even the k-type thermocouple
[15:46:14] <SolarNRG> http://imgur.com/qOnEfH9,bVGub9b,DT8YzeE ,
http://imgur.com/qOnEfH9,bVGub9b,DT8YzeE#1 ,
http://imgur.com/qOnEfH9,bVGub9b,DT8YzeE#2 first image is the pid ktype cooker wire kapton tape all togehter, 2nd tape is a close up of the strange diagram on the side of the pid, 3rd image is the front of the pid
[15:46:33] <SolarNRG> any ideas how to hook what up to what?
[15:51:36] <roycroft> the programming guide for your pid will tell you how to connect the wires and program it
[15:52:13] <SolarNRG> I'll take that as a no then
[15:52:25] <roycroft> although if that picture of the connectors were clear enough to read i'd be able to figure it out
[15:52:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/practical-chemistry/test-distinguish-between-ethanol-and-methanol
[15:52:39] <SolarNRG> roycroft, I got the PID off ebay, don't even come with a manual
[15:52:45] <roycroft> but you need to program the thing for your particular temperature probe, at the very least
[15:52:50] <roycroft> go back to ebay and look at the listing
[15:52:55] <roycroft> there will be a link to a manual
[15:53:11] <roycroft> it looks like 1 and 2 are power in for the pid
[15:53:20] <roycroft> 8 9 and 10 are for the temp probe
[15:53:33] <SolarNRG> all I can tell you is its a REX-C100FK02-M*AN range 0-400 degrees C output relay no 12a051006 supply 100to250v.ac 50/60hz rkc instrument inc made in japan
[15:53:38] <roycroft> 3 and 5 look like a nc out
[15:53:43] <roycroft> and 3 and 4 a no out
[15:53:53] <roycroft> 6 and 7 are probably an alarm out
[15:53:57] <SolarNRG> are k type thermocouples polarity fussy?
[15:54:04] <roycroft> but you need to know how to program it in order to use the outputs
[15:54:10] <roycroft> their use varies depending on the programming
[15:54:17] <roycroft> so go find the programming manual
[15:54:24] <roycroft> you can't just figure it out
[15:54:41] <roycroft> there will be like 20 modes, from 01 to 19
[15:54:52] <roycroft> you pick one and it behaves in a certain way
[15:55:16] <roycroft> it's not just non-intuitive without the programming guide, it's impossible to configure
[15:55:20] <roycroft> you won't and can't have enough information
[15:55:33] <SolarNRG> it looks like you can have it in neutral by having 4 disconnected or you can have 4 activate something that makes it get cooler like a fan or something
[15:55:56] <roycroft> if you want to be an idiot fine
[15:56:08] <SolarNRG> i think the first port of call would be to look for rkc instrument inc's website
[15:56:37] <SolarNRG> hey I was warned this PID can KILL if not used properly hence why I mothablled it for ages
[15:56:41] <roycroft> if there's not a link to the manual on the ebay listing, i would recommend that in future, you make sure there is before you buy one
[15:56:57] <roycroft> i always download the manual and read it first so i know if the thing will work for me
[15:57:01] <SolarNRG> hurray they have an english page
[15:57:03] <roycroft> i don't know how to buy things otherwise
[15:57:36] <roycroft> if there's not an online manual, or the seller promises to send one with the product, i pass
[15:57:51] <SolarNRG> spec sheet downlooad or manual download? found the c100
[15:58:07] <roycroft> you need to have the access code to even begin programming it
[15:58:13] <roycroft> which is in the manual
[15:58:23] <roycroft> and you'll likely never guess
[15:58:33] <roycroft> there can be up to 9999 choices
[15:58:45] <roycroft> set->0001
[15:58:51] <roycroft> set->002
[15:58:56] <roycroft> set ->003
[15:59:01] <roycroft> ...
[15:59:05] <roycroft> set -> 9999
[15:59:11] <roycroft> which one of those puts it in programming mode?
[15:59:27] <SolarNRG> Here's the manual from the manufacturers web site:
http://www.rkcinst.com/english/pdf_manual/imnzc22e1.pdf
[15:59:37] <roycroft> great - have a good read
[15:59:37] <SolarNRG> in english :)
[15:59:39] <SolarNRG> or would u prefer japanesE?
[15:59:42] <ssi> zeeshan|2: you get those drives figured out?
[15:59:58] <roycroft> i would prefer that you read it and ask questions as they come to you instead of asking someone else to read it and explain it to you
[16:07:03] <SolarNRG> ok just to clarify on 3. on that document it says with the C100 which I think this model is that I should be putting the + ok the Ktype into 8 and the -ve of the ktype into 9 despite the diagram on the side of the PID, do u agree?
[16:07:13] <SolarNRG> page 3 of
http://www.rkcinst.com/english/pdf_manual/imnzc22e1.pdf
[16:09:58] <roycroft> it looks like 8 and 9 would be correct for a voltage-type probe, and a k probe is voltage type
[16:10:40] <roycroft> if you connect the probe backwards it won't hurt anything
[16:10:46] <roycroft> it will just give you the wrong reading
[16:11:57] <roycroft> i also agree that the sticker on the pid and the manual differ
[16:12:06] <roycroft> i have no idea which is correct
[16:12:11] <roycroft> connect the probe to 8 and 9
[16:12:20] <roycroft> if it gives you an incorrect reading swap the wires
[16:12:27] <roycroft> if you get an error try 9 and 10
[16:14:17] <SolarNRG> ok at this moment in time I have brwon (live) hooked up to 6, blue neutral up to 7, ktype +ve on 8 and ktype -ve on 9, if I plug it in and switch it on will it act as a basic temperature reader?
[16:14:33] <roycroft> it should
[16:14:40] <roycroft> if the probe connections are correct
[16:14:46] <roycroft> turn it on
[16:15:00] <roycroft> and if you get a reading that seems remotely reasonable, hold the probe in your hand
[16:15:00] <SolarNRG> ok testing
[16:15:06] <roycroft> if the temperature goes up you connected it correctly
[16:15:12] <roycroft> if it goes down you have the wires swapped
[16:16:37] <roycroft> if the pid does not default to using a k type probe you'll need to program it first to get a reading
[16:16:57] <SolarNRG> ok it booted up, the top leds went red 400 then wend red 0000 the green at the bottom said green 0 all the time and there was a red light saying alm that went on
[16:16:59] <SolarNRG> on the left
[16:17:57] <roycroft> ignore the alm light
[16:18:31] <roycroft> move the wires from 8 and 9 to 9 and 10 and see if you get a reading
[16:18:50] <roycroft> if not, check the programming
[16:19:01] <roycroft> sl1 needs to be set to 0000 for a k probe
[16:20:11] <SolarNRG> so how do I set sl1?
[16:20:15] <SolarNRG> what keys do I press in what order?
[16:20:28] <roycroft> the manual explains it
[16:20:43] <roycroft> you need to go from parameter setting mode to pv/sv mode
[16:20:43] <SolarNRG> ahha set for 5 seconds
[16:20:54] <roycroft> go to section 7, page 6
[16:23:34] <SolarNRG> ok I het set for 5 secs then went set set set set and I can't make the top red bar go to sl1
[16:23:36] <SolarNRG> what do?
[16:25:24] <roycroft> i don't have one of those pids
[16:25:30] <roycroft> it looks like you're well on your way to sorting it out
[16:25:36] <roycroft> i need to leave it to you to do that
[16:25:48] <roycroft> i have to get back to work and i don't have one in front of me, which makes it hard to figure out
[16:25:59] <roycroft> welcome to chinese electronics!
[16:26:04] <SolarNRG> ahem japanese
[16:26:14] <SolarNRG> one eats cat the other eats dolphin ;)
[16:26:16] <roycroft> only slightly better
[16:26:25] <SolarNRG> anyways thanks v much 4 ur help
[16:26:43] <roycroft> you'll get there eventually
[16:26:46] <roycroft> now that you have the manual
[16:35:47] <Deejay> gn8
[16:36:02] <CaptHindsight> and they think that the west is a bit wacky for eating fermented cow juice
[16:38:34] <roycroft> i've never had fermented cow juice, but yuk
[16:38:37] <SolarNRG> ahha cheese
[16:39:23] <roycroft> cheese is not really fermentation
[16:39:41] <roycroft> there is some fermentation in some cheese
[16:39:52] <roycroft> but it's mostly coagulation
[16:40:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xLUEMj6cwA Blessed are the cheesemakers
[16:41:29] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermented_milk_products
[16:41:39] <SolarNRG> god I can't get to sl1 while that alm2 is still red
[16:46:02] <SolarNRG> some dude on this vid I'm watching claims the c100 can only handle 3amps which I suspect is insufficient for a cooking hob so he's using the PID to trigger a solid state relay that I don't have yet which I suspect can handle a lot more current, am I right?
[16:46:23] <CaptHindsight> probably
[16:47:03] <CaptHindsight> depends on the PID
[16:47:47] <CaptHindsight> SSR's are cheap and easy to find
[16:48:42] <SolarNRG> this is the vid I'm looking at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NpcMycHDvk
[16:48:49] <SolarNRG> same make and model as what I got
[18:14:22] <SolarNRG> well I managed to get the PID to act as a basic thermometer, guess I gotta get that solid state relay next, oh btw I had a look at the bottom of the pressure cooker, full of white crystals smells gross
[18:15:25] <SolarNRG> NEway, I'm off 2 bed thanx 4 all ur help guys!
[18:51:24] <zeeshan|2> Hi all!
[18:51:25] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:59:18] <XXCoder> hey
[19:01:41] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/ci50ock.png
[19:01:47] <zeeshan|2> the more i look at my layout
[19:01:48] <zeeshan|2> the more i think
[19:01:53] <zeeshan|2> its so unecessary to get such a huge cabinet
[19:02:01] <zeeshan|2> for the computer / 7i77 / interpolator cards..
[19:02:13] <zeeshan|2> can someone suggest something?
[19:02:23] <zeeshan|2> something that i can fix to my enclosure w/ the vfd
[19:02:26] <XXCoder> use compactor. save space ;)
[19:02:48] <zeeshan|2> shaha
[19:03:11] <zeeshan|2> i can't have anything above
[19:03:14] <zeeshan|2> or below the vfds
[19:03:26] <XXCoder> hmm need to remove floor and ceiling rhen
[19:03:28] <XXCoder> *then
[19:03:28] <zeeshan|2> since thats the airflow path
[19:03:35] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:03:46] <zeeshan|2> you are in joker mode arent you!
[19:03:59] <XXCoder> yeah tend to be when really tired
[19:04:03] <zeeshan|2> :D
[19:04:38] * cpresser finished his pendant: https://ca.rstenpresser.de/blag/2014/11/linuxcnc-pendant/
[19:05:25] <zeeshan|2> 100 pulse per rev?
[19:05:30] <XXCoder> looks cool
[19:05:40] <zeeshan|2> yes looks nice :D
[19:07:59] <cpresser> yep. 100ppr
[19:08:05] <XXCoder> sigh [police don't know how to handle deaf people. just read about one that police had beaten for 7 minutes because he didn't do what police was yelling
[19:08:06] <cpresser> however, usb-hid is to slow
[19:08:40] <XXCoder> other one shot 8 times because he didn't turn around when asked. he was looking at things and didn't even know police was behind and yelling\
[19:08:42] <cpresser> actually not usb-hid. it does send all pulses to the pc. but the capture in the servo-thread cant keep up.. perhaps ill try with a faster fp-thread
[19:08:50] <XXCoder> sorry guys but of rant
[19:08:52] <zeeshan|2> is there a particular reason
[19:08:54] <zeeshan|2> you didnt hook it up to mesa?
[19:09:18] <zeeshan|2> (i think ive heard you talk about mesa before, so im assuming you have it :P)
[19:09:42] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: thats messed up
[19:10:27] <cpresser> zeeshan|2: other machine^^
[19:10:42] <XXCoder> expecially the 7 min beating one yeah. his son is police officier and he trained other police about deaf yet it happened anyway
[19:10:43] <zeeshan|2> oh :D
[19:16:40] <XXCoder> pretty good work day today. ran a cnc machine most of day with couple interruptions. One 2nd shoft guy finished very big job but didn't count parts #. I had to count em myself and it was 719 plastic airplane window protection sheets
[19:16:55] <XXCoder> and other one filter got overflow and I had to mop up coolant lol
[19:17:42] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder:
[19:17:47] <zeeshan|2> have you taken cnc programming classes
[19:17:51] <zeeshan|2> like learning mastercam
[19:17:57] <zeeshan|2> or g-code
[19:18:01] <XXCoder> g code a bit
[19:18:07] <XXCoder> busy working most times
[19:18:26] <zeeshan|2> try to do them in nightschool if you can
[19:18:31] <zeeshan|2> $$$ win
[19:18:51] <XXCoder> not enough money heh im pretty poor
[19:19:19] <zeeshan|2> you guys dont have social plans there
[19:19:22] <zeeshan|2> where you can go back to school
[19:19:26] <zeeshan|2> and government pays for it?
[19:19:32] <zeeshan|2> when you're trying to upgrade your skills
[19:19:47] <zeeshan|2> government paid most of my schooling!
[19:19:47] <zeeshan|2> :D
[19:20:02] <zeeshan|2> the rest was scholarships and shit
[19:20:12] <zeeshan|2> whoops forgot room is pg rated :-)
[19:20:35] <XXCoder> I can be really nasty with just pg words
[19:20:56] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[19:21:07] <XXCoder> for example... your parents is related
[19:21:14] <XXCoder> *to each other
[19:22:15] <zeeshan|2> i dont get it :D
[19:22:38] <XXCoder> heh as in they are family before they even married. ugh lol
[19:22:50] <zeeshan|2> :D
[19:22:52] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:23:04] <zeeshan|2> no moar
[19:32:14] <XXCoder> heh I have plenty worse ones but ok lol
[21:09:11] <zeeshan|2> would putting servo drives near sensitive electronis like the 7i77 and pc
[21:09:13] <zeeshan|2> be a bad idea?
[21:09:40] <zeeshan|2> in other words, i'm asking if servo drives emit noise like vfds
[21:17:56] <XXCoder> good question but cant you place EMF sheild between?
[21:38:18] <Rab> cpresser, nice pendant. Do you have a link to the eBay listing for the encoder/enclosure?
[21:52:32] <jdh> are
[22:03:15] <CaptHindsight> aren't servo the drives in shielded enclosures?
[22:05:53] <CaptHindsight> how much the PC will tolerate noise in the cabinet depends on the design of the mainboard, power supply, how it's mounted and what it's mounted in
[22:07:05] <Tom_itx> yeah, it's a system not just a driver
[22:07:26] <CaptHindsight> one of the main differences in designing a motherboard for general consumer uses and an industrial PC is how well it handles ESD and noise
[22:07:51] <CaptHindsight> you get lucky with low cost mainboards
[22:09:13] <CaptHindsight> I've seen some mainboards that have pads for ESD protection devices but aren't stuffed
[22:16:22] <XXCoder> because it's so cheap that esd dont care to touch em? lol
[22:20:43] <cpresser> Rab: ebay-id: 360670838836
[22:21:19] <cpresser> question about smart-serial: is there any documentation? how would i build my own sserial device?
[22:21:32] <Rab> cpresser, thanks!
[22:23:26] <Rab> cpresser, have you seen this?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sserial.9.html
[22:26:19] <cpresser> yes, but i was hoping that there was some 'real' documentation. that manpage you linked says "The Mesa Smart-Serial interface is a 2.5Mbs proprietary interface between the Mesa Anything-IO card..."
[22:26:44] <Tom_itx> also says: It is likely that this documentation will be permanently out of date.
[22:28:02] <Tom_itx> cpresser do you have any sserial cards?
[22:28:25] <Tom_itx> he makes a pendant sserial card
[22:28:34] <Tom_itx> if that's what you were after
[22:32:03] <cpresser> Tom_itx: nope, i want a 24bit differential ADC
[22:32:53] <cpresser> analog-devices ad7192 looks nice. i could do some usb-stuff.. but sserial sounds like more fun :)
[22:33:09] <Tom_itx> i think andy was working on that with pcw but i'm not positive
[22:35:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26252-pncconf-rework?start=10
[22:35:20] <Tom_itx> there's some discussion about it
[22:35:33] <Tom_itx> probably not what you're looking for
[22:39:35] <pcw_home> Theres probably almost enough information to make a sserisl remote in any sserial remote manual
[22:41:01] <pcw_home> and theres a complete set of source code for a sserial remote implementation in the 7I90 (though in an obscure assy language)
[22:54:48] <cpresser> pcw_home: thx. ill have a look at it
[22:56:48] <zeeshan|2> http://www.cnc-shopping.co.uk/heidenhain-hr-250-5000-tnc-handwheel-p-5214.html?osCsid=049d7f5f2a5e3e218c3058468e69323a
[22:56:51] <zeeshan|2> i found one of these on the cnc
[22:57:06] <zeeshan|2> it really sucks that it has no axis select buttons on it
[22:57:51] <zeeshan|2> no info about it
[22:59:43] <zeeshan|2> anyone know about em?
[23:02:45] <WalterN> it looks like a knob, so it probably rotates at least one direction?
[23:03:03] <zeeshan|2> it rotates in both directions
[23:03:11] <zeeshan|2> i need to know what it outputs though
[23:03:21] <WalterN> (that was supposed to be a silly/funny response)
[23:03:32] <zeeshan|2> for some reason i'm thinking it's a similar output as to the same thing that comes from the glass scales
[23:03:38] <zeeshan|2> meaning i need another interpolator card to make it work :{
[23:04:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:04:16] <zeeshan|2> this thing goes on ebay for $700
[23:04:28] <zeeshan|2> i should just sell it and get a cheapo chinese one :P
[23:08:48] <WalterN> enh
[23:09:03] <WalterN> I'd keep it, because its nice to have nice things :P
[23:09:24] <zeeshan|2> no poinmt if i cant make use of it :P
[23:09:36] <zeeshan|2> and all the people seem to be happy with those mpgs
[23:09:53] <zeeshan|2> xhc-hb04
[23:24:52] <pcw_home> probably just quadrature
[23:26:17] <pcw_home> since MPGs are seldom more than 100 PPR
[23:30:13] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home
[23:30:21] <zeeshan|2> i tried reading the instructions for 7i77
[23:30:26] <zeeshan|2> theyre lengthy!
[23:30:56] <zeeshan|2> i think the biggest thing i see in the manual is
[23:31:03] <zeeshan|2> not to have incorrect jumper settings when using external power supply
[23:32:50] <pcw_home> Yeah, the cards are protected against shorting out PC power but not shorting out an external 5V supply
[23:33:32] <pcw_home> so makes sure the 5I25/7I77 jumpers correspond
[23:37:31] <pcw_home> external power = 7I77 W5 RIGHT, 5I25 W2 DOWN
[23:37:32] <pcw_home> 5I25 POWERS 7I77 = 7I77 W5 LEFT, 5I25 W2 UP
[23:39:41] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:41:19] <zeeshan|2> pcw_home: i was calculating currents and i know i need an external 5v supply
[23:41:30] <zeeshan|2> is it bad to use a 5v rail from the PC supply?
[23:41:43] <zeeshan|2> cause if something goes wrong, the currents can travel to the motherboard?
