#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-10-28

[00:00:25] <XXCoder> night
[00:01:08] <CaptHindsight> Laku noć
[00:01:35] <CaptHindsight> 晚安
[01:50:15] <Tecan> http://www.xup.to/dl,28803352/TheBlackTheme-v1.tar/ << for gnome or mate
[03:18:12] <Deejay> moin
[03:18:22] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/mly6pAa.png
[03:19:32] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/pxTFGYK.png
[03:19:49] <Tecan> codeblocks has been updated to save windows like that now too
[03:19:54] <Tecan> awesomeness
[05:26:29] <Hawku> cox: i figured out the speed limit of my chinese 6040
[05:27:16] <Hawku> i could move 200mm circle with 4000mm/min speed
[05:29:12] <Hawku> motors will stall if i try to stop one axis by hand
[05:30:38] <Hawku> i think that my "M542-05" drivers are just TB6560 drivers in a nice package
[05:31:24] <Hawku> DIP switch settings matches with the TB6560
[05:39:22] <cox> Hawku: Thanks for the info, Have you gotten th rs485 adapter for your vfd?
[05:41:23] <cox> Hawku: I have problems with mine, only receiving ox00 whatever i send to the drive. Also when i messure the voltage on the 485 line on the adapter i get 0,1v when i messure on vfd 485 i get close to 5v
[05:43:29] <Hawku> i got the USB<->RS485 adapter
[05:44:12] <Hawku> it works, but my cable is bad
[05:44:28] <Hawku> i just twisted two thin cables together :)
[05:44:48] <Hawku> i lose the signal when i start the water pump
[05:47:38] <cox> Hawku: Did you twist them tight
[05:48:00] <Hawku> yes
[05:49:15] <cox> Hawku: what speed do you run on 9600, 19200 etc.
[05:49:19] <Hawku> 19200
[05:49:27] <Hawku> 8E1
[05:50:27] <cox> Hawku: i read somewhere that the parity option was not always working good. You might try 8N1
[05:51:19] <Hawku> oh, ok
[05:51:47] <Hawku> it does work without problems, when the water pump isn't running
[05:52:19] <cox> Hawku: Is your pump and coms cables running close together
[05:52:39] <Hawku> water pump is about 30cm from the VFD
[05:53:03] <Hawku> the water pump causes lot of electrical noise
[05:53:47] <cox> How are the cables run are they running paralell close together
[05:53:56] <Hawku> no
[05:55:12] <cox> Hawku: Could you take a picture of your setup?
[05:56:01] <syyl_> first video where i try talking while showing something..
[05:56:03] <syyl_> http://youtu.be/MXRMmeRd1pc
[05:56:23] <syyl_> honest opinions? like "stop it!"?
[05:59:38] <Hawku> cox: wait, i have some old picture somewhere
[05:59:53] <archivist> background noises, muttering at a distance....
[06:01:24] <Hawku> cox: http://hwk.fi/cnc/old_setup.jpg
[06:02:32] <Hawku> cox: you can see the water pump in the bottom right corner, it is about 40-50cm higher now
[06:02:49] <syyl_ws> thats why i ask archivist :)
[06:03:03] <cox> Hawku: Is it a dc pump, powered from the controllerbox?
[06:03:25] <Hawku> yes
[06:03:27] <syyl_ws> is the english very horrible to listen or should i stay with text only?
[06:04:14] <Hawku> cox: sharing the 24V power supply with the stepper drivers
[06:06:18] <cox> Hawku: I do not like that, get a seperat suply for the pump or install a capasitor out from the powersyply
[06:06:32] <Hawku> yeah
[06:06:34] <gonzo__> earth loops/drops?
[06:06:43] <Hawku> i have some 24V power bricks laying around somewhere
[06:07:04] <cox> syyl_ws: English is fine, Please continue.
[06:07:49] <cox> Hawku: Try it
[06:08:27] <archivist> syyl_, mutch->much
[06:09:38] <cox> Hawku: Could you messure the dc voltage on th 485 end when it is not connected to the vfd, also the vfd end. It might help me in my faultfindig
[06:10:52] <Hawku> i have oscilloscope, but haven't measured it yet
[06:11:03] <Hawku> a*
[06:11:13] <Hawku> an*
[06:12:33] <syyl_ws> hm
[06:12:51] <syyl_ws> the mu*t*ch happens just
[06:12:57] <syyl_ws> try to get it away
[06:13:29] <syyl_ws> thank you
[06:13:36] <syyl_ws> at least your ears dont seem to bleed ;)
[06:40:39] <archivist> I had ear defenders on :)
[06:41:35] <archivist> you had the camera on something steady and no um and er while speaking
[06:47:49] <syyl_ws> ;)
[06:48:15] <syyl_ws> ok, i will try to reduce the muttering from distance
[06:49:06] <syyl_ws> and i cut abound 200 no-um-er out of the video ;)
[06:49:27] <syyl_ws> and the cussing
[06:49:45] <syyl_ws> german cussing in an english video ;)
[07:20:40] <_methods> http://choosemypc.net/
[07:20:48] <_methods> hah that thing is kinda cool
[07:22:21] <_methods> guess it's only for gaming pc's
[07:49:30] <skunkworks> Connor, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQXqge-NLs
[07:55:57] <XXCoder> _methods: nice link
[07:55:58] <XXCoder> thanks
[07:56:08] <XXCoder> I might part one in. I need new pc
[07:58:14] <_methods> yeah i don't think it's suggesting the greatest build
[07:58:29] <XXCoder> im not a gamer so its fine
[07:58:33] <_methods> yeah
[07:58:46] <XXCoder> I would swap video card for cheaper one but otherwise
[07:59:11] <_methods> good for giving your "friends" a diy suggestion without having to be the fall guy every time something goes wrong with a build you help them pick
[07:59:52] <XXCoder> $660 is good one
[07:59:56] <_methods> i never help anyone build computers anymore cause of that
[08:00:03] <XXCoder> video is nice but not holy fuck nice
[08:00:21] <_methods> callin me at midnight asking my why bejeweled isn't running right lol
[08:00:27] <XXCoder> lol
[08:02:15] <archivist> same problem is you are a TV repair man .... grmble
[08:02:23] <archivist> I refused
[08:02:39] <XXCoder> I used to earn little money fixing people pcs
[08:02:46] <XXCoder> too little money so fuk it
[08:02:47] <jdh> time sink
[08:02:48] <_methods> it's never worth it
[08:03:16] <_methods> "where'd all my pictures of foofoo go"
[08:03:27] <_methods> "i told you i was going to wipe it"
[08:03:29] <XXCoder> nobody fault this time, most deaf is just too poor. deaf averages 80% unemployment
[08:03:38] <XXCoder> not because deaf is slackers either
[08:04:04] <_methods> i love it when they ask me what their passwords are
[08:04:10] <XXCoder> lol
[08:04:15] <_methods> like how the hell am i supposed to know your passwords
[08:12:28] <skunkworks> we fix computers here at work for employees.. It actually keeps us up on what nasties are going around.
[08:13:47] <_methods> i have a scorched earth policy
[08:14:00] <_methods> if i think anything funny is happening its a wipe and reinstall
[08:14:04] <skunkworks> that is usually the last resort.. maybe 20% are that bad
[08:14:29] <jdh> where bad == takes more than 15 mins ot fix
[08:15:02] <_methods> thanks'
[08:15:04] <_methods> oops
[08:15:06] <skunkworks> heh
[08:15:15] <_methods> thanks to vm's now i rarely get anything
[08:15:29] <_methods> if i have to go to some dodgy site for something i do it with a vm
[08:15:43] <_methods> or if i'm just testing a program out or something
[08:15:50] <_methods> no need to mess up my real install
[08:15:56] <_methods> just fire up a vm and test it out
[08:17:22] <skunkworks> we don't babysit them. run combofix - walk away. Run random utility - walk away..
[08:17:58] <_methods> wow that combofix is still used eh
[08:18:04] <skunkworks> yes
[08:18:48] <_methods> now i always install all my core stuff and updates then make an image
[08:19:00] <_methods> takes me 15min to be back to brand new
[08:20:06] <_methods> i just got a new 1tb ssd that i need to put in and move over too
[08:20:29] <_methods> so i'll be using that image once i get off my ass and do it
[08:27:48] <Tanz> _methods: how you been?
[08:28:13] <_methods> kinda scared i wouldn't have a job before xmas
[08:28:22] <_methods> but we just got a big P.O.
[08:28:29] <_methods> so better now lol
[08:28:52] <Tanz> man I hate that
[08:28:55] <_methods> yeah
[08:29:31] <Tanz> so not on the maker sight now
[08:29:58] <_methods> ah nah i haven't been in there in ages
[08:30:17] <Tanz> had to ask ryan where you went
[08:31:12] <Tanz> how hard is it to 24v ramps?
[08:31:15] <_methods> i was hangin around till they got their laser so i could see how it was
[08:31:30] <Tanz> ohok
[08:31:39] <_methods> it's not bad if you get the right ramps board with the right caps on it
[08:32:26] <Tanz> I want one the one that I have has 35v caps
[08:32:30] <_methods> or if you can solder smd stuff you can just get any ramps and put the good ones on
[08:32:42] <Tanz> one I have
[08:32:42] <_methods> yeah you should be good then
[08:32:51] <_methods> i had to replace the mosfets with better ones
[08:33:13] <Tanz> I can solder good
[08:33:29] <_methods> you should be fine then there are several write ups for how to run 24v on it
[08:33:48] <_methods> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?219,196602
[08:35:36] <Tanz> look how cheap these have got it will sale for this bid http://www.ebay.com/itm/321563761918?_trksid=p2060778.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[08:36:13] <_methods> yeah those are good little drivers
[08:36:28] <_methods> they'll do up to 2A with no cooling
[08:36:50] <_methods> says 1.5A
[08:36:57] <_methods> but i've run them at 2 with no cooling
[08:37:08] <Tanz> cool
[08:38:00] <_methods> https://www.intelpentium4litigation.com/
[08:38:34] <_methods> $15
[08:38:43] <Tanz> I seen this right up and was thinking WTF http://rigidtalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Modifying_a_RAMPS_1.4_board
[08:38:48] <_methods> i know someone in here had a p4 then lol
[08:38:58] <Tanz> I got one of them
[08:41:25] <_methods> Who gets paid?
[08:41:26] <_methods> Intel agrees to allow people to establish Class membership under a reduced standard of proof for the limited purpose of paying claims. In other words, all Class Members are eligible to get paid upon completion and submission of a valid claim form. Class Members are not required to submit a proof of purchase or any other physical or documentary evidence, but they are required to sign the claim form under penalty of perjury that to the best of their recol
[08:41:33] <_methods> heheh
[08:44:29] <Tanz> yea for $15 not worth the trouble
[08:44:41] <CaptHindsight> didn't they offer anyone that wanted the "fixed" version floating point P4 a free swap back then?
[08:48:14] <pcw_home> I never had one, ISTR that a 1 GHz P3 would outrun a 2 GHz P4
[08:48:43] <_methods> i was an amd junkie back then
[08:48:51] <_methods> Tbird FTW
[08:51:04] <Tanz> _methods: have you ever ran 24v on ramps?
[08:51:34] <_methods> yeah i have mine set up for 24v
[08:52:19] <Tanz> OK I going down that road
[08:52:37] <Tanz> what should I look out for?
[08:53:05] <_methods> this is not the room for this
[08:53:24] <_methods> i haven't looked at my 3d printer in like 8 months lol
[08:53:32] <_methods> it's a 24v dust collector
[08:54:08] <_methods> i'm sure plenty of people in makers or reprap would be more knowledgeable than i am anyways
[08:54:52] <Tanz> OK OK one more thing how do you power Arduino
[08:55:28] <_methods> i have a dc stepdown and made a 12v rail for all my 12v wtuff
[08:55:31] <_methods> *stuff
[08:55:52] <_methods> fans, arduino, lights
[08:55:58] <Tanz> K thanks
[08:56:02] <_methods> np
[09:01:04] <Tanz> As far as makers goes I am a DIY guy asking ?? and not buying long story short I was asked no to ask:-(
[09:01:31] <Tanz> Not to ask
[09:02:09] <_methods> so much for open source eh lol
[09:02:23] <_methods> only open as long as your wallet is
[09:02:26] <Tanz> Right
[09:05:47] <Tanz> OK _ methods got to run will chat latter
[10:21:31] <lair82> Hello Guys, am I the only that is not getting emails from the forum, or is it not sending them to anyone?
[10:22:39] <archivist> forum is picky about user addresses due to spammers
[10:25:12] <lair82> I have never had a problem before, it looks like maybe the last week it hasn't been working properly.
[12:06:19] <jthornton> I get emails from the forum
[12:44:50] <PetefromTn_> God I would love to smack the crap out of whoever owned this CNC lathe before me....
[12:45:19] <skunkworks> chisles and hammers?
[12:45:51] <PetefromTn_> naah more like an idiot with a caulking gun
[12:48:48] <PetefromTn_> The machine has a chip cleanout tilt out panel on the front of the enclosure
[12:48:54] <PetefromTn_> It has a piano hinge on it
[12:49:06] <PetefromTn_> and I am sure at some point it had a nice rubber seal or something.
[12:49:25] <PetefromTn_> Technically the coolant should never get high enough to go over the ledge of this opening
[12:49:59] <PetefromTn_> But probably the assholes were too lazy to keep it cleaned out and just kept running parts until the coolant started pouring over the edge into the piano hinge.
[12:50:24] <CaptHindsight> evry machine I've ever gotten has been touched by someone that shouldn't have worked on it
[12:50:43] <CaptHindsight> from a simple belt sander to 10 ton VMC
[12:50:47] <PetefromTn_> So instead of cleaning it out and refreshing the coolant like you should they just grabbed a caulking gun and sprayed the piss out of the piano hinge and basically glued the fuckin' door shut LOL
[12:51:27] <PetefromTn_> SO now I get to try to scrape and cut that goo out of there and try to make the door functional again.
[12:51:45] <PetefromTn_> So far that is the worst thing I have found so I guess I should count myself lucky here heh
[12:51:59] <PetefromTn_> I have been scrubbing and cleaning the whole damn machine here
[12:52:12] <PetefromTn_> Also stripping sheetmetal so I can respray it
[12:52:32] <PetefromTn_> the base casting was apparently an attractive light gray color that I am kinda liking.
[12:53:03] <PetefromTn_> I may spray the casting that same color and then spray the rest of the sheetmetal white or a light light gray almost white color.
[12:53:13] <CaptHindsight> yeah could be worse, you could find out the reason the door was caulked shut was that the trough leaked into the controls nearby causing it to make the frame of the machine hot when on
[12:53:39] <PetefromTn_> This will give me shit to do while I try to scrape together the cash to retrofit this beast.
[12:54:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah right... Actually thankfully all the electronics are in the rear or the left side of the headstock
[12:54:35] <PetefromTn_> The Z motor cables actually go thru the base of the headstock casting
[12:54:53] <PetefromTn_> to the back of the machine and into the electronics enclosure.
[12:55:07] <CaptHindsight> I really enjoy it when they use neutral for ground and then snip the ground pin off the plug so that the machine frame is now hot
[12:55:24] <PetefromTn_> They stole the pendant and arm off of it so I am going to have to fab one up.
[12:55:40] <PetefromTn_> Not a big deal and there are some really heavy duty mounts on there for where the old arm mounted.
[12:55:58] <PetefromTn_> The factory pendant looked like a PC from 1960 so I am okay with that actually.
[12:56:20] <PetefromTn_> I will probably make a much nicer more modern looking cabinet and mount it on top of that arm with some kinda swivel.
[12:57:21] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking of tieing the original mount near the bottom left of the base to another custom made mount that is a large diameter hollow tube that will go to the rear electronics cabinet so I can run the cabling up top out of the shit and hidden in the tubing to the rear of the machine.
[12:57:36] <PetefromTn_> That way I can make the two mounting points the pivot points
[12:57:46] <skunkworks> going with mach4?
[12:57:55] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I LOVE running a machine and shocking the shit out of myself capn'
[12:58:02] <PetefromTn_> BAAH yeah right..
[12:58:19] <PetefromTn_> Yeah MACH and me parted ways forever I think...
[12:58:54] <PetefromTn_> skunkie you got a CNC lathe retrofit?
[13:00:17] <skunkworks> I have a cincinati that needs to be converted.. otherwise a few manuals
[13:00:38] <skunkworks> well - we do have an emco compact 5 that we tineker with
[13:00:42] <skunkworks> running linuxcnc
[13:00:56] <PetefromTn_> is that the LITTLE Emco or the turning center
[13:01:08] <skunkworks> little - school trainer
[13:01:13] <PetefromTn_> and what Cincinatti?
[13:01:52] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/cinclathe.JPG
[13:01:58] <skunkworks> old - 73ish I think
[13:02:20] <PetefromTn_> Damn that looks beefy..
[13:02:28] <PetefromTn_> Get that monster running!!
[13:02:32] <skunkworks> 50hp spindle..
[13:02:45] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP!!
[13:03:00] <PetefromTn_> and I thought 7.5 was doing good on my lathe LOL
[13:03:30] <PetefromTn_> that is why I went with the machine I have here mostly because I want to be able to run single phase and fit in the shop without taking up tons of room.
[13:03:58] <PetefromTn_> This machine should do basically everything I want from it. Especially once I adapt one of those turret toolchangers to it after awhile.
[13:04:23] <skunkworks> what is it?
[13:04:32] <PetefromTn_> what is what?
[13:04:46] <skunkworks> the lathe you got
[13:05:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hhrobertsmachinery.com/used-cnc-lathes/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf Standard Modern HH roberts 14x40
[13:06:20] <PetefromTn_> 1997 model
[13:06:25] <skunkworks> neat!
[13:06:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah It is not that pretty right now but it will be...LOL
[13:11:42] <Connor> which do you have ?14x40 ?
[13:11:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[13:12:08] <Connor> So, it has the 1.56" not the 2" through hole
[13:12:15] <Connor> and 5HP vs 7.5HP ?
[13:12:20] <PetefromTn_> it came with the 7.5HP motor apparently but I am probably going to get a 5 HP motor
[13:12:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah it does not have the larger spindle bore unfortunately.
[13:12:43] <Connor> That's odd.. you would think the 7.5HP would have come with the 2" through hole..
[13:12:52] <Connor> and 1.56 with 5HP
[13:13:02] <PetefromTn_> well I have not measured it yet but it looks that way
[13:13:23] <Connor> I would measure it. :)
[13:14:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is not a big deal. This bed is pretty long so If it won't fit thru I will just turn it between centers LOL
[13:14:23] <skunkworks> is it servos or steppers?
[13:14:32] <PetefromTn_> AC servos I think.
[13:14:40] <skunkworks> heh - I should read
[13:14:53] <PetefromTn_> the X motor is really large have to take it off to see what it actually is.
[13:16:05] <PetefromTn_> overall It looks like a really nice heavy built machine it's just dirty as hell with caked on chips and grease almost everywhere LOL
[13:16:30] <PetefromTn_> It must have been a really sweet lathe when it was brand new
[13:16:43] <PetefromTn_> I am going to try to make it look and work as new as I possibly can.
[13:16:58] <PetefromTn_> Connor you should come down and see it ;)
[13:17:17] <Connor> PetefromTn_: When I do, I'll be bringing a lot of stuff to work on. :)
[13:17:30] <PetefromTn_> works for me
[13:18:00] <PetefromTn_> that simple green degreaser seems to work great at breaking down the sludge.
[13:18:28] <PetefromTn_> Once it is all cleaned up I will start working on painting it up and then I will start with the electronics.
[13:19:12] <PetefromTn_> I am going to send the Mesa 7i77 board back to Pete today I think. Got a couple rails to ship out I machined for customers to ship too.
[13:19:57] <PetefromTn_> The tailstock is pretty beefy but the quill is kinda stiff to turn.
[13:20:01] <skunkworks> do you know what the feedback is yet? resovers? encoders?
[13:20:07] <PetefromTn_> It is probably all gunked up inside
[13:20:30] <PetefromTn_> I don't really know jack about it. I just got it here the other night
[13:20:40] <PetefromTn_> been cleaning up the shop and cleaning the machine ever since.
[13:21:14] <Connor> The spindle encoder / resolver would be easy enough to change out if needed.
[13:21:31] <Connor> the X servo has me concerned.. not knowing anything about it.
[13:21:31] <PetefromTn_> it actually has a nice belt driven spindle encoder
[13:21:37] <PetefromTn_> no idea what it is yet.
[13:21:47] <Connor> Right, Could be a resolver.
[13:22:08] <PetefromTn_> that brochure says it has CSM motors whatever that means.
[13:23:27] <PetefromTn_> I doubt the spindle encoder is a resolver
[13:23:50] <PetefromTn_> again no idea about the X motor
[13:24:07] <PetefromTn_> It has a single harness coming out of it.
[13:24:29] <PetefromTn_> Lemme see if I can find a nameplate on it.
[13:24:34] <PetefromTn_> Need to find my mirror
[13:24:37] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[13:38:49] <PetefromTn_> Okay I found a nameplate
[13:39:10] <PetefromTn_> It says Custom Servo Motors Inc.
[13:39:18] <PetefromTn_> Made in Minnesota
[13:39:37] <PetefromTn_> I just called them and they are going to get back to me with the specifics of the motor
[13:40:09] <PetefromTn_> The part number is MPM892FRM-700
[13:40:17] <PetefromTn_> Googled it but not much infor
[13:53:17] <skunkworks> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.soelma.it/mpm89_230.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMPM892FRM%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D0PD%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dsb
[13:55:04] <Connor> Doesn't tell you anything about the encoder.
[14:03:43] <PetefromTn_> Okay just got off the phone with Parker who apparently now owns the CSM company
[14:03:53] <PetefromTn_> the fellow looked up the model number for me
[14:04:22] <PetefromTn_> Apparently the motors are propreitary as is the information on them but when I told him I was retrofitting an older machine he agreed to send me the info.
[14:04:24] <Connor> WOW. You talked to the owner?
[14:04:33] <PetefromTn_> no just an engineer
[14:04:58] <PetefromTn_> Apparently it is a DC servomotor with a resolver feedback.
[14:05:04] <Connor> OKay.. NM.. I see what you said.. Was misreading Parker as the guy on the phone.. not as a another company
[14:05:21] <PetefromTn_> 1.05 HP .78 KW
[14:05:38] <PetefromTn_> 3000RPM
[14:05:49] <Connor> Look at that link skunkworks posted.
[14:06:06] <Connor> MPM892FRM - B
[14:06:54] <PetefromTn_> 111 Inch pounds 12.6 NM
[14:07:20] <PetefromTn_> 13.6 Amos
[14:07:22] <PetefromTn_> amps
[14:07:50] <PetefromTn_> so no earthly idea what kind of drive would run it.
[14:08:05] <PetefromTn_> I may just have to sell it on the bay and get some new motors for both axes.
[14:08:27] <PetefromTn_> have no experience with DC servos with resolvers
[14:09:33] <Connor> You might want to see about trying to find out the pitch of the original Z screw and the servo specifications (RPM and torque) for it.
[14:11:00] <Connor> What is Speed torque?
[14:11:06] <Connor> it's rated at 2400 RPM
[14:11:45] <PetefromTn_> I just forwarded that information to you. Gotta go pickup my kids at school. Be back in a few.
[14:11:56] <PCW> Thats brushless
[14:12:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah brushless DC with resolver
[14:12:21] <PetefromTn_> apparently
[14:12:31] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[14:13:02] <PCW> so AC servo
[14:21:24] <PetefromTn_> Okay just got back
[14:21:45] <PetefromTn_> actually I asked him and he said its just a servomotor
[14:21:52] <Connor> from picking up your kids ?
[14:21:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[14:22:03] <PetefromTn_> the shool is close enough to walk to
[14:22:08] <PetefromTn_> but I drive LOL
[14:22:25] <Connor> I wondered why you had to pick them up..
[14:23:16] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/MdKU1Vj.jpg
[14:23:52] <Connor> Gee thanks.. It's upside down.
[14:24:04] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/quANky1.gif
[14:24:06] <PetefromTn_> oops sorry
[14:24:08] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[14:24:15] <Connor> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QJL3g_TmpV0/VE9wnlChNHI/AAAAAAAAAMU/-q42ekAr07g/w952-h714-no/2014%2B-%2B1
[14:25:40] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gLLkZ5e.jpg
[14:25:57] <PetefromTn_> WTF is that?
[14:26:14] <Connor> micro laser etcher apparently.
[14:26:22] <Connor> S/N 124 ?
[14:26:35] <Connor> Wonder what D/C is..
[14:26:38] <Connor> not voltage..
[14:27:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently not
[14:27:56] <PetefromTn_> KE is 76.4
[14:28:19] <PetefromTn_> Their brochure says AC servos so WTF?
[14:28:44] <PCW> D/C is date code
[14:37:17] <PetefromTn_> well it looks like 750 watt servos at 3k RPM is what I need for the machine.
[14:38:23] <MrHindsight> Connor: where did you find that laser pic?
[14:39:24] <MrHindsight> it's using those $2 mini-steppers with screws from China
[14:40:21] <jdh> that's some pitch
[14:41:35] <PetefromTn_> 12.6NM is 1784 Oz IN. right?
[14:41:45] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-mini-stepper-motor-H10-36N-with-screw-rod-camera-focusing-motor-/300939034092
[14:42:38] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-of-24x-2-phase-4-wires-mini-stepper-motors-DC-4-6V-cnc-/281435357456
[14:44:30] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://www.convertunits.com/from/N-m/to/oz-in
[14:44:57] <MrHindsight> 1784.3103467028002 :)
[14:45:07] <PetefromTn_> yup thanks
[14:45:29] <PetefromTn_> I need to find some low cost 750 watt servos and drives for this beast now.
[14:56:02] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: new or used?
[14:56:23] <PetefromTn_> hell whatever
[14:56:29] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: what Nema size?
[14:56:30] <jdh> parker will be happy to sell you some.
[14:56:45] <PetefromTn_> wish I knew just emailed them about that.
[14:56:52] <PetefromTn_> I can measure it tho. Standby
[15:01:55] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: do you want AC servos with 12.6Nm? or are those numbers for something else?
[15:03:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-N0342ERMSG10-Servo-Gearmotor-9-14V-3-05A-0-72kW-7500RPM-NEMA-34-/330885006162 or similar without the gearbox?
[15:04:48] <Connor> MrHindsight: On my Google+ Feed
[15:05:10] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-N0921FR-KMSN-Brushless-Servo-Motor-7500RPM-950W-14mm-OD-NEMA-34-/310858884782
[15:06:08] <MrHindsight> Connor: it looked interesting until I saw the tell tail maker woodgrain :)
[15:08:06] <Connor> Yea. kinda cute.. not sure what practical use it has.
[15:10:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have no need for a 7500 RPM servomotor. its 750 watt 3000 RPM about 12.6 NM
[15:11:06] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hzmgdj.com.cn/product/500633188-213231115/textile_machine_parts_90mm_750w_3000rpm.html
[15:11:11] <PetefromTn_> something like that would work.
[15:44:19] <cpresser> how do I load drivers for the 6i25 with the linuxcnc-uspace?
[15:45:09] <cradek> do you mean load firmware into it?
[15:45:58] <cpresser> nope, the kernel-module
[15:46:11] <cradek> there are no kernel modules in a uspace setup
[15:46:50] <cpresser> okay.. how do i make it visible in halrun?
[15:46:57] <cpresser> which component do i need to load?
[15:48:57] <cradek> you load hostmot2 and hm2_pci just like in rtai-land
[15:49:30] <cradek> I think that's all it takes to make it show up
[15:49:40] <cpresser> unfortunately, that gives me errors...
[15:50:01] <cpresser> http://nopaste.info/96caa025a8.html
[15:50:26] <cpresser> nevermind.. ill try as user, not as root...
[15:50:32] <cpresser> i need to learn to read :/
[15:53:36] <cpresser> thanks anyway... i might be back with more questions later
[16:22:39] <JT-Shop> wow I have a set of dies for 1 1/2" square tube too http://gnipsel.com/images/Huth-HB-10/square%20bend%2001.jpg
[16:25:05] <Tom_itx> nice
[16:27:12] <JT-Shop> yea, bends it nice
[16:28:29] <JT-Shop> it can bend up to 2 1/2" square tube and 3" round tube
[16:28:36] <Tom_itx> hydraulic?
[16:28:52] <Tom_itx> or grunt?
[16:29:05] <JT-Shop> hydraulic
[16:29:54] <JT-Shop> I've been using a home made one for years
[16:31:27] <Tom_itx> nice
[16:32:44] <PetefromTn_> Well it looks like the motors on the lathe are actually just strong nema 34 models. They are kinda bastard ones with a half inch shaft tho. The machine has a 1-1 belt drive on both axes so I can probably put any sort of motor I want on there as long as it is similar power.
[16:33:59] <JT-Shop> what kind of lathe?
[16:34:01] <PetefromTn_> So that is good news it means I am not tied to anything terribly expensive.
[16:35:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I added a couple of images of the bender
[16:35:17] <PetefromTn_> its my new to me Standard Modern HH Roberts 14x40.... http://www.hhrobertsmachinery.com/used-cnc-lathes/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf
[16:35:30] <JT-Shop> what's the secrect code to make a web page refresh?
[16:35:53] <PetefromTn_> Just got it moved over here the other day and put it in it's new position in the shop yesterday.
[16:36:06] <JT-Shop> I had an anilam 1100M on the knee mill
[16:36:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah fortunately there is nothing left of the control.
[16:36:49] <PetefromTn_> it has an X axis motor that is a 750 watt nema 34 brushless DC with resolver.
[16:36:49] <JT-Shop> lol yea you don't want to fool with that
[16:37:08] <PetefromTn_> I am going to probably pop it on the bay and try to sell it and get all brand new motors and drives for X and Z.
[16:37:20] <PetefromTn_> LINUXCNC BABY!!
[16:38:09] <PetefromTn_> RIght now I am just tryinig to clean years of gunk and caked on chips from the chip trays inside the enclosure and figure out what is what.
[16:38:25] <PetefromTn_> It does have some nice limit and homes for X and Z that I will reuse
[16:38:59] <PetefromTn_> they removed the coolant sump so I will probably get something rubbermaid to stick in its place in the tailstock end compartment.
[16:39:21] <PetefromTn_> So far it looks like a sweet little lathe. Can't wait to see it making chips!!
[16:40:18] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i see you hired some help
[16:41:54] <Tom_itx> did you make the dies?
[16:42:52] <JT-Shop> no, they came with the bender... they are not in the stock die package so the previous owner added them
[16:43:00] <JT-Shop> as well as lost a few small bits
[16:43:20] <JT-Shop> that's my supervisor
[16:43:36] <Tom_itx> what's the cylinder on the back for?
[16:44:24] <JT-Shop> the perpendicular cylinder is for expanding and other end ops like euro ball joints and flange joints
[16:44:29] <MrSunshine> hmm can you plunge with downspiral router bits ?
[16:45:07] <Tom_itx> MrSunshine are they center cutting?
[16:45:44] <MrSunshine> well i dont know ... but what im thinking is how the heck would they be able to have a cutting edge at the bottom when they are spiraled the wrong way =)
[16:48:36] <Tom_itx> left hand cutter?
[16:49:36] <MrSunshine> they push the chips downwards
[16:49:48] <Tom_itx> odd
[16:50:09] <MrSunshine> router bits .. to leave good top finnish
[16:56:01] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I'm confused that link to the textile machine parts 90mm 750w 3000rpm servo is only 2.4Nm Hold and 7.1Nm Peak
[16:57:43] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: do you want a 3000 RPM about 12.6 Nm or ~2.5Nm motor?
[16:58:36] <PCW> original motor is 12.6 NM peak
[17:18:03] <Deejay> gn8
[17:26:12] <zeeshan|2> http://www.windows93.net/
[17:26:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:47:32] <Tom_itx> nasa rocket just exploded
[17:47:59] <Tom_itx> on launch...
[17:52:38] <Tecan> ouch
[17:58:34] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU
[17:58:44] <Loetmichel> *boom it goes*
[18:08:37] <cpresser> the buildbot package seems to lack the pncconf python module. any hints about that?
[18:18:58] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Sorry I had to run out to the Post office to mail some more parts out just got back.
[18:19:11] <PetefromTn_> Yeah the motor on the machine is an odd one.
[18:19:32] <PetefromTn_> Like I said Apparenlty Nema 34 750 watt with resolver feedback.
[18:21:25] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gLLkZ5e.jpg http://i.imgur.com/quANky1.gif
[18:22:03] <PetefromTn_> So after taking the motor off and seeing how the thing goes together it has a 1-1 belt drive to position the motor directly underneath the cross slide casting
[18:22:33] <PetefromTn_> That basically means I can put about any sort of motor I want on there pretty easily
[18:22:49] <PetefromTn_> as long as it is adequately powerful and has the 3k speed rating.
[18:28:06] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: heh just got back from a trip myself
[18:29:37] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: the question is do want 12.6 Nm or ~2.5Nm motor? There is a 5:1 difference in torque
[18:36:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-Fanuc-105-3000-AC-Servo-Motor-A06B-0317-B074-7008-3000RPM-3PH-12Nm-145V-15A-/181427848170
[18:36:53] <PetefromTn_> Fanuc....no thanks LOL
[18:37:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Reliance-Electric-F-6100-R-H01AA-Electro-Craft-Servo-Motor-13-Nm-/400551253491
[18:38:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah this is not that big a machine and the motor on it I posted the plate for. The stall torque is 3.4 NM
[18:38:47] <CaptHindsight> ok, I must have mixed up one of your posts
[18:38:54] <PetefromTn_> not sure what the difference is between stall torque and Peak torque but that is 12.6
[18:39:37] <PetefromTn_> that table I got from the manufacturer this afternoon on the phone. It is SUPPOSED to be what the original X motor is.
[18:39:44] <PetefromTn_> Who knows if it is accurate or not.
[18:39:47] <CaptHindsight> peak torque http://www.heidenhain.us/enews/stories/1009_techtb1.php
[18:39:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.motioncontroltips.com/2012/08/24/tips-for-sizing-a-servo-motor/
[18:40:29] <CaptHindsight> Typically Peak torque is 5 to 10 times greater than Continuous torque
[18:40:50] <PetefromTn_> Continuous torque is supposed to be 3.1 NM
[18:41:08] <CaptHindsight> thats the important number
[18:41:25] <PetefromTn_> which is only 438 Oz in.
[18:41:29] <PetefromTn_> pretty small actually
[18:41:30] <CaptHindsight> what peak is varies by manufacturer
[18:41:52] <PetefromTn_> I could probably get away with hobby sized nema 34 motors on this machine LOL
[18:42:13] <PetefromTn_> I would like to find a similar sized AC servo setup
[18:43:40] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that I have several options for the motors. I am still cleaning the thing right now and I have decided to repaint the machine so I have some time.
[18:44:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-AC-Servo-Motor-Drive-Compete-Set-1-2KW-4Nm-3000rpm-/121154017446
[18:45:21] <CaptHindsight> $680.00
[18:47:54] <PetefromTn_> actually that 80SY-M02430 model looks very much like what was in the machine only AC servo
[18:48:07] <PetefromTn_> That is a good price for motor and drive too.
[18:49:07] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-750W-0-75KW-ac-servo-motor-servo-driver-2-39N-M-80ST-80ST-M02430-3000RPM-/161454973914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25977763da
[18:49:14] <PetefromTn_> Apparently that is the same motor
[18:49:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xinje-1800W-1-8KW-Servo-System-Motor-Drive-MS-110ST-M06030-21P8-DS3-21P8-/111481950226 bigger version for ~$300 more
[18:49:56] <PetefromTn_> Don't need bigger actually need smaller
[18:50:04] <PetefromTn_> Nema 34 750 watt
[18:50:29] <CaptHindsight> they are probably slightly over rated anyway
[18:50:41] <PetefromTn_> probably
[18:50:50] <PetefromTn_> this is not a HUGE lathe really
[18:51:05] <CaptHindsight> whats the swing? 14"
[18:51:05] <PetefromTn_> but it came with 750 watt motors so that is what I want to put back on there.
[18:51:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[18:51:20] <PetefromTn_> actually I measured 15 but who cares ;)
[18:52:20] <CaptHindsight> how's the spindle bearings?
[18:52:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbJdCLjXfI This is a 17" version of the machine I have
[18:52:47] <PetefromTn_> well I have so spindle motor so I don't actually know. But it feels and turns cood by hand
[18:52:53] <PetefromTn_> good
[18:53:31] <CaptHindsight> you mean you haven't taken out your 0.00001" indicator and checked it yet?! :)
[18:53:48] <CaptHindsight> is your bed as beefy?
[18:53:56] <PetefromTn_> similar
[18:54:19] <PetefromTn_> for a 14x40 it is actually quite stout
[18:54:26] <PetefromTn_> it should be more than I need really
[18:54:33] <CaptHindsight> looks easy to work on
[18:54:40] <PetefromTn_> it should be.
[18:55:01] <PetefromTn_> the enclosure is very nice and it has built in chip and coolant trays
[18:55:22] <PetefromTn_> Should make a nice addition to my shop.
[18:55:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STANDARD-MODERN-CNC-LATHE-ANILAM-CONTROL-1200T-/231211492181 big brother
[18:56:32] <PetefromTn_> Yup that looks like it!
[18:56:40] <PetefromTn_> mine is missing some of the sheetmetal
[18:56:58] <PetefromTn_> I got it for a song so I am not complaining
[18:57:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Modern-14-x36-Metal-Lathe-/161461846522 manual version by the same maker
[18:58:26] <PetefromTn_> Yeah they have been making machines for some time now. Apparently they were bought out by Leblond at some point.
[18:58:36] <PetefromTn_> Some of the later machines had Milltronics controls.
[18:59:06] <PetefromTn_> They were a supplier for the US military according to what I have read and even the guy I bought it from told me that.
[18:59:10] <PetefromTn_> Made in Canada
[19:00:15] <PetefromTn_> Seems like that anilam control they put on it kinda sucked tho.
[19:02:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-ZL-15sm-CNC-Lathe-5-Axis-Mach-Emc2-Ballscrews-Sub-Spindel-Turret-/111303099086 interesting
[19:03:04] <CaptHindsight> nevermind partially stripped
[19:07:20] <zeeshan|2> fak
[19:07:23] <zeeshan|2> this guy whos local to me
[19:07:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAI-FX25N-CNC-LATHE-/181565763661
[19:07:38] <zeeshan|2> whos got a maho 700 cnc
[19:07:52] <zeeshan|2> i offered him 2500 a long time ago, and he finally got back to me now saying hell take 2500
[19:07:59] <zeeshan|2> this machine is twice as big as mine :(
[19:08:19] <XXCoder> hey
[19:08:21] <PetefromTn_> I hear those IKegai lathes are nice..
[19:08:23] <CaptHindsight> you don't have the space or power
[19:08:35] <zeeshan|2> well its not that much bigger
[19:08:41] <zeeshan|2> the thing is its 700mm x 500 x 450
[19:08:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maho-Model-MH-C700-CNC-Milling-Machine-/261309833696
[19:08:47] <zeeshan|2> mine is 400 x 400 x 400
[19:08:55] <zeeshan|2> yes that baby
[19:09:12] <CaptHindsight> Murphys Law
[19:09:13] <zeeshan|2> its got a lot more x axis travel
[19:09:26] <zeeshan|2> bah
[19:09:32] <CaptHindsight> as soon as you throw it away, sell it or break it
[19:09:39] <CaptHindsight> or buy a different one
[19:09:47] <zeeshan|2> it also has a rotary table
[19:09:48] <zeeshan|2> on it
[19:09:50] <zeeshan|2> 4th axis
[19:09:59] <zeeshan|2> i wish he got back to me a long time ago
[19:10:00] <zeeshan|2> :/
[19:10:05] <CaptHindsight> buy it
[19:10:14] <CaptHindsight> sell your current project
[19:10:20] <zeeshan|2> i cant
[19:10:22] <zeeshan|2> no one will buy it
[19:10:25] <zeeshan|2> cause its in pieces
[19:10:31] <zeeshan|2> and i dont have the space like u said to store 2 mills
[19:10:46] <CaptHindsight> you'll be done in no time :)
[19:10:50] <zeeshan|2> im going to cry about it
[19:10:52] <zeeshan|2> and move on
[19:10:52] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[19:10:58] <CaptHindsight> heh
[19:11:27] <CaptHindsight> I find lots of deal in the late winter
[19:11:39] <zeeshan|2> hey maybe he'll sell me his tooling?
[19:11:53] <CaptHindsight> if they didn't get rid of it before the holidays they dump it as soon as the weather breaks
[19:42:10] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leadshine-easy-servo-Drive-ES-D1008-ES-M23480-2-Phase-NEMA-34-motor-8-0N-m-/161386500789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25936292b5
[19:42:17] <PetefromTn_> Anyone know anything about these?
[19:44:29] <PCW> looks like a closed loop step motor
[19:44:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah just reading thru it.
[19:44:56] <PetefromTn_> PCW I just mailed out my 7i77 to you guys this afternoon
[19:45:12] <PetefromTn_> As you recall I released the Magic smoke on it
[19:45:21] <PetefromTn_> hopefully it can be repaired
[19:45:31] <PCW> Maybe it can be resurrected
[19:45:46] <PetefromTn_> that would be sweet.
[19:45:46] <zeeshan|2> isnt it cheaper to buy a new one pcw?
[19:47:07] <PCW> depends on how severe the problem is I usually wont spend more than about 10 minutes on repairs of damaged cards
[19:47:32] <zeeshan|2> Expert level 99999999 unlocked
[19:48:00] <zeeshan|2> did you see
[19:48:02] <PCW> so if multiple parts are bad its scrap AFAIAC
[19:48:03] <zeeshan|2> the explosion today?
[19:48:04] <zeeshan|2> http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
[19:48:17] <zeeshan|2> private rocket blew up
[19:48:28] <zeeshan|2> oribital sciences antares rocket
[19:53:50] <PCW> Just looked an the video... that was pretty dramatic
[19:53:57] <zeeshan|2> yea
[19:53:58] <zeeshan|2> its sad
[19:54:05] <zeeshan|2> i hope it doesnt negatively effect the private space market
[19:54:15] <zeeshan|2> the shockwave when it hit the ground is intense
[19:54:32] <cpresser> the buildbot package seems to lack the pncconf python module. any hints about that?
[19:54:58] <cpresser> when running pncconf, i get 'importError: no module named pncconf'
[20:07:54] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: take a look at the torque curves near the bottom of the page :(
[20:08:43] <PetefromTn_> already there.
[20:08:59] <PetefromTn_> not gonna cut it unless I want to have some slow rapids
[20:10:52] <PCW> cpresser: someone else noted that (it seem ok when built from master)
[20:12:13] <cpresser> PCW: i am currently compiling master manually...
[20:13:17] <PCW> Hmm i just tried and it runs here (but I may have fetched master a couple days ago)
[20:16:44] <PCW> let me pull and re-build and see if its busted (this is starting from the Wheezy ISO)
[20:31:57] <PCW> just rebuilt master and pncconf seems fine
[20:35:20] <cpresser> hmm.. i pulled the binary from the buildbot: 1:2.8.0~pre1.10.g33fc3dc
[20:35:31] <cpresser> same error... i am going to investigate furterh
[21:09:21] <XXCoder> interesting/. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2839535/review-the-new-da-vinci-all-in-one-3d-scannerprinter.html
[21:09:44] <PetefromTn_> Any of you guys bought stuff from Aliexpress?
[21:09:52] <XXCoder> i did
[21:10:22] <PetefromTn_> what did you buy and how did it go?
[21:10:30] <XXCoder> well few stuff
[21:10:39] <XXCoder> one of em is wifi dongle for computer
[21:10:45] <XXCoder> works fine. just dont use their driver
[21:11:08] <XXCoder> in general quality isnt as good but many cases its fine
[21:11:30] <PetefromTn_> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Best-price-great-quality-Servo-motor-set-2-39N-M-0-75KW-3000RPM-80ST-AC-Servo/1863383110.html Tempting
[21:12:35] <XXCoder> dunno on pricing but it probably will work. look for reviews
[21:14:33] <PetefromTn_> hard to say really.
[21:14:44] <PetefromTn_> But that is the motor size I need basically
[21:14:59] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-750W-0-75KW-ac-servo-motor-servo-driver-2-39N-M-80ST-80ST-M02430-3000RPM-/161454973914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25977763da
[21:15:02] <PetefromTn_> like this one.
[21:15:03] <XXCoder> well I'd say go for it and see
[21:20:13] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I've got some time to think about it while I repaint the machine and just generally R and R the thing.'
[21:27:53] <skunkworks_> PetefromTn_: why are not use existing servos?
[21:28:16] <PetefromTn_> well the one in it is a DC brushless with resolver feedback
[21:28:54] <PetefromTn_> and honestly I replaced the original servos in the Cincinatti with matched AC servos and drives and have been very happy with that decision so far.
[21:29:15] <skunkworks_> mesa has stuff for that...
[21:29:15] <PetefromTn_> nice to have brand new parts in there.
[21:29:34] <PetefromTn_> the other thing is there is no Z motor
[21:29:41] <skunkworks_> ah
[21:29:43] <PetefromTn_> so I would need to buy one anyways
[21:29:50] <PetefromTn_> might as well get a matched pair.
[21:30:15] <PetefromTn_> the Teco motors and drives I used in the Cincinatti are working quite well.
[21:30:28] <PetefromTn_> they do not make a TECO servo motor that will fit the lathe tho
[21:30:51] <PetefromTn_> its a nema 34 750 watt motor 3.1 NM continuous at 2400RPM
[21:31:28] <PetefromTn_> The good news is since it is 1-1 belt drive and the mounts are very simple I am not tied to any certain motor really.
[21:31:41] <PetefromTn_> Basically anything Nema 34 or smaller will work
[21:32:48] <PetefromTn_> I almost bought the DMM servos for the Cincinatti and they actually have a motor and driver setup that would run about $650.00 per axis for AC servos.
[21:41:13] <XXCoder> cool
[21:41:17] <XXCoder> wish I had better income
[21:41:43] <PetefromTn_> LOL so do it.. This is always a stretch for me getting a machine running.
[21:55:12] <cathode> hi.
[21:55:33] <cathode> i made progress on my shopbuilt bandsaw project tonight! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88948814/Shop/Bandsaw/2014-10-28%2019.26.59.jpg
[21:57:03] <XXCoder> heavy metal heh
[21:57:32] <cathode> it's what was scrap yesterday at work when i went out to the shop to get something
[21:57:39] <cathode> er friday, i guess
[21:58:12] <cathode> anyway, it's a bit overkill yeah. but i'm going to cut the horizontal flange down a bit i think
[21:59:17] <cathode> my pillow blocks will "hang" underneath the angle... the large holes are for the shaft to pass through: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88948814/Shop/Bandsaw/2014-10-28%2019.27.28.jpg
[22:08:29] <cathode> XXCoder what are you up to?
[22:08:40] <XXCoder> working heh
[22:08:49] <cathode> :(
[22:08:51] <XXCoder> I finished my tap block internship project
[22:09:05] <XXCoder> it was interesting. first time I cut steel manually using cnc
[22:09:14] <cathode> heh
[22:09:19] <XXCoder> I didnt quite do it correctly so it was quite rough
[22:09:21] <cathode> manually using cnc?
[22:09:27] <XXCoder> yeah its big machine
[22:09:35] <cathode> you mean without working off a 3d CAD model first?
[22:10:25] <XXCoder> yeah I cant do it any way but manual.
[22:10:44] <XXCoder> no program
[22:11:33] <cathode> ah
[22:12:05] <XXCoder> tap block isnt that complex though
[22:12:06] <cathode> so, i discovered (not surprising) that the cheap stepped bit i bought on amazon is junk
[22:12:14] <cathode> got pictures of it?
[22:12:22] <XXCoder> just certain block size then add bevel and 9 holes
[22:12:42] <XXCoder> I screwed up on holes camfers so it looks funky but otherwise nice
[22:13:10] <cathode> :/
[22:13:19] <XXCoder> before I sanded it (I didnt use facemill nicely) https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10365754_10152504754423253_4476740286993063364_n.jpg?oh=44ff62a40671616279385299c2195408&oe=54F39FAB&__gda__=1424501086_286b7917bc824e9e7221c38fcfe262c3
[22:13:35] <XXCoder> after sanding and screw up https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10712792_10152504754428253_5610583568004425213_n.jpg?oh=277ca1eeadddd5ccf57b9ce8dc0a33ea&oe=54F2A4E3&__gda__=1424176666_1c0ba7530280053521a4a8c9b3f28fa4
[22:14:03] <cathode> looks like your chamfering bit was chattering a lot
[22:14:20] <XXCoder> yeah should have used single umm whats it called
[22:14:25] <XXCoder> flute
[22:14:46] <XXCoder> I can still do it but will make chamfer even larger
[22:14:54] <cathode> i just bought one of those. i had some 6-flute ones i got at .... harbor freight? they work fine when you're plunging straight into wood
[22:15:21] <XXCoder> I bought two 123 blocks for home use, but later found out I will make one evenually lol
[22:15:26] <cathode> but trying to countersink or chamfer an existing hole, the 6-flute ones jump all over
[22:16:38] <cathode> "if you want it done right, do it yourself", yes?
[22:16:43] <XXCoder> I used y flute I think
[22:16:45] <XXCoder> 6
[22:16:55] <XXCoder> I now know thats bad idea
[22:18:27] <cathode> http://www.hassay-savage.com/4242222/
[22:18:49] <XXCoder> get a quote??
[22:18:51] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:18:58] <XXCoder> if its quote I cant afford it
[22:19:05] <XXCoder> probably $300 or something
[22:19:43] <cathode> http://www.amazon.com/Magafor-48241270-Combination-Countersink-Chamfering/dp/B003EIKT24/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1414551552&sr=1-1
[22:19:59] <cathode> no idea if that one is any good or not
[22:20:10] <cathode> i actually have better luck on ebay than on amazon for "cheap stuff"
[22:20:22] <XXCoder> funny because it would work for all but last hole
[22:20:31] <XXCoder> its too small, last hole is .5 in
[22:20:44] <cathode> ah
[22:21:02] <XXCoder> not planning to buy tool collection till later as needed
[22:21:05] <cathode> do you have a stepped bit? they do a good job of adding a little chamfer if you're really light on the application
[22:22:05] <cathode> i bought a set of 3 stepped bits at harbor freight for ... i think $9
[22:22:30] <cathode> they've drilled 50-100 holes each, some of that through steel and aluminum (with cutting oil used)... still very sharp
[22:22:53] <XXCoder> not bad
[22:23:30] <cathode> i have no CNC equipment in my shop (yet) as it's just a hobby-grade shop in my basement
[22:24:46] <XXCoder> I basically has tablesaw, drill press and parts of cnc heh
[22:24:46] <cathode> so i do my hole drilling with a floor-standing drill press. i just set the depth stop so that the stepped bit barely touches the next step while drilling, which deburs/chamfers the hole as i finish drilling it. with the depth stop, it's repeatable and requires no thought
[22:25:02] <cathode> heh, you can do a lot with just a table saw and drill press :)
[22:25:58] <XXCoder> yeah thats why I bought those twp
[22:27:00] <cathode> i have TS, DP, jointer, planer, three routers (one plunge, two fixed), nice bosch jigsaw, 7-1/4" circular saw, belt sander, pneumatic nailguns and staplers, a set of 18v Ridgid cordless drill/drivers and a plethora of hand tools... all packed into a 14x16 basement room
[22:27:29] <cathode> 7.5ft ceilings, which is nice, but still pretty small
[22:27:37] <ssi> hi
[22:27:40] <cathode> hey
[22:27:45] <XXCoder> hey
[22:28:10] <cathode> XXCoder - do you use your TS for wood cutting mostly? or also for like plexiglas and stuff?
[22:28:12] <ssi> what's shakin
[22:28:28] <XXCoder> wood, that is if I ever do it lol
[22:28:31] <skunkworks_> ssi: how is it going?
[22:28:38] <XXCoder> I have hard time getting up and doing things
[22:29:16] <skunkworks_> ssi: sorry to hear about the 'incident..'
[22:29:38] <cathode> what incident?
[22:30:25] <ssi> skunkworks_: it's going ok, and thanks :)
[22:30:52] <skunkworks_> that is good.
[22:30:58] <ssi> spent the day in a hell of dealing with contractors :P
[22:31:03] <cathode> :(
[22:31:06] <ssi> trying to line up a flatbed rental to move some machines
[22:32:59] <skunkworks_> are you going to re-build?
[22:33:17] <ssi> yeah, but I may not move back in
[22:36:23] <skunkworks_> move closer to the hanger? or in the hanger?
[22:36:42] <XXCoder> tower of doom
[22:36:43] <ssi> in the hangar more or less :)
[22:39:51] <zeeshan|2> yoo
[22:39:58] <zeeshan|2> I GOT A CARE package
[22:40:09] <zeeshan|2> rs485 conveter, 5v supply, interpolators
[22:40:10] <ssi> wat
[22:40:14] <ssi> lol
[22:40:20] <zeeshan|2> my drives are stuck in vancouver
[22:40:22] <zeeshan|2> @ customers
[22:40:23] <zeeshan|2> customs
[22:40:27] <zeeshan|2> :/
[22:40:29] <ssi> lame
[22:40:34] <ssi> my next set will be here tomorrow
[22:40:38] <ssi> speaking of care packages
[22:40:42] <ssi> friend of mine is mailing me MREs
[22:40:43] <ssi> hahah
[22:40:58] <zeeshan|2> MRE
[22:40:59] <zeeshan|2> ?
[22:41:06] <ssi> meal, ready to eat
[22:41:20] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:41:34] <zeeshan|2> howd things go w/ adjuster
[22:41:55] <ssi> went fine
[22:42:00] <zeeshan|2> good
[22:42:06] <XXCoder> I just got bunch of soylent
[22:42:06] <zeeshan|2> ask em for pay cheque ASAP
[22:42:06] <ssi> er, not adjuster
[22:42:09] <XXCoder> fun
[22:42:09] <zeeshan|2> more CNC machines!
[22:42:11] <ssi> today was fire invstigator
[22:42:14] <zeeshan|2> oh
[22:43:09] <Connor> ssi: Basically make sure you didn't do it on purpose.
[22:43:47] <ssi> yeah of course
[22:44:02] <ssi> he asked a bunch of questions about the machine and how it was built, how it worked, etc
[22:44:14] <ssi> and we dug through the remains and found parts of it and I pointed out bits
[22:44:17] <ssi> and he was satisified
[22:44:18] <ssi> so it's cool
[22:46:23] <ssi> lol so the city building inspector hung "condemned" signs on the house a couple days ago
[22:46:30] <ssi> today, he showed up while I was there
[22:46:37] <ssi> and I was thinking "oh boy, this should be fun"
[22:46:49] <ssi> and he stopped by because he saw all my crap and thought it was cool
[22:46:55] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:46:55] <ssi> and said he had a horizontal mill he was looking to get rid of
[22:47:00] <ssi> and liked the 602
[22:47:08] <ssi> I told him I might want to trade the 602 for the mill
[22:47:23] <Connor> 602 ?
[22:47:27] <ssi> g0602
[22:47:52] <Connor> I didn't know you had one.
[22:48:01] <Connor> That's about the size I want.
[22:48:05] <ssi> yeah, had it for ages
[22:48:06] <zeeshan|2> ssi has like
[22:48:07] <ssi> kinda want to sell it
[22:48:08] <zeeshan|2> 25 cnc machines
[22:48:14] <ssi> yeah somehting like that
[22:48:16] <zeeshan|2> :)
[22:48:18] <ssi> :)
[22:48:26] <ssi> I found the melted remains of the little engraving machine I built
[22:48:29] <Connor> Guy around here has one up for $1500.00 used once.. can get one new for $1300.00
[22:48:40] <zeeshan|2> LOL connor
[22:48:43] <zeeshan|2> i love those guys
[22:48:50] <zeeshan|2> sellling their shit more than brand new
[22:49:05] <zeeshan|2> for fun i'd email a guy like that
[22:49:05] <Connor> On Craigs list..
[22:49:08] <zeeshan|2> "how about $100?"
[22:49:09] <os1r1s> Anyone have an opinion on the imservice sherline toolchanger (outside of cost)?
[22:49:12] <ssi> I want 2500 for mine, with leeson 3ph motor, vfd, ballscrews, spindle encoder, steppers, mounts, drives, computer, mesa gear
[22:49:12] <zeeshan|2> just to annoy them
[22:49:14] <Connor> I would offer him about half that.
[22:49:26] <zeeshan|2> ssi if it works good
[22:49:29] <zeeshan|2> i dont see why you wont
[22:49:33] <Connor> ssi: His was unmodified.
[22:49:46] <ssi> Connor: yea that's dumb
[22:50:15] <Connor> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4718599951.html
[22:50:34] <ssi> lol
[22:53:04] <cathode> if that combination square is a Starrett, that's worth a bit
[22:53:14] <cathode> but only like $80-100
[22:54:07] <Connor> Doesn't matter. I don't have the $$$ for it.
[23:13:10] <zeeshan|2> that doesnt look like a starrett square
[23:13:42] <zeeshan|2> thats a chinese import square
[23:13:50] <zeeshan|2> the body on the starrett is different
[23:13:56] <zeeshan|2> and the screws are also different for tighten it to the ruller
[23:14:46] <zeeshan|2> i need the angle attachment for my comb. square :[
[23:16:06] <cathode> mmmm
[23:16:13] <cathode> well, then it's overpriced still. :P
[23:20:37] <cathode> grrrr. my mcmaster order won't be here until thursday
[23:20:50] <cathode> and it's only shipping from california... i'm in oregon.
[23:21:14] <cathode> i need my 7/16-18 bolts...
[23:21:23] <XXCoder> doh
[23:22:02] <cathode> i wanted to test fit the pillow blocks to ensure everything is aligned properly before i go further
[23:22:23] <cathode> they have tapped 7/16-18 holes in the bottom instead of bolt-through 'feet'
[23:22:50] <cathode> home depot doesnt even carry 7/16 bolts of any kind
[23:23:24] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2010/06/21/100-cnc-mill/
[23:23:52] <cathode> heh
[23:23:54] <cathode> that's pretty neat
[23:27:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:45:28] <zeeshan|2> no home depot? :D
[23:45:38] <zeeshan|2> nm
[23:47:08] <zeeshan|2> hm
[23:47:15] <zeeshan|2> maybe i can build a plasma cutter
[23:47:18] <zeeshan|2> er cnc plasma table
[23:47:28] <zeeshan|2> by utilizing cheapo steppers that are like 200oz-in
[23:47:33] <zeeshan|2> running probotix stepper drivers
[23:47:42] <zeeshan|2> and using 10 mm pitch acme screws
[23:47:54] <zeeshan|2> can i only need +/-0.020"