#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-10-26

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[01:00:36] <cathode> i love how people think that some stuff is useful when it isn't. http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mat/4730645202.html
[01:01:08] <cathode> some proprietary wiring box for a piece of machinery... he had it listed for like $500 a month or two ago
[01:23:07] <zeeshan> asah stil there? :D
[01:51:19] <asah> hey yes...
[01:51:41] <zeeshan> my conversion is going slow :P
[01:51:50] <asah> join the club.
[01:51:52] <zeeshan> haha
[01:51:56] <zeeshan> im literally replacing everything
[01:51:59] <zeeshan> electronics wise
[01:52:03] <asah> I just got thw whole thing working after 10 months.
[01:52:06] <Connor> http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/tls/4713493919.html
[01:52:07] <zeeshan> nice!
[01:52:16] <zeeshan> asah: you got your hydraulics working?
[01:52:17] <asah> and I want to do much more in the niceties department.
[01:52:18] <asah> yep.
[01:52:30] <zeeshan> connor get it!
[01:52:32] <zeeshan> wow
[01:52:32] <asah> I am sharing my vfd between the spindle and the hydros pump.
[01:52:38] <Connor> I have no room for it.
[01:52:39] <zeeshan> asah ahh cool
[01:52:43] <zeeshan> i have vfd for hydraulic pump
[01:52:45] <zeeshan> anotehr for coolant
[01:52:47] <zeeshan> and one for spindle
[01:52:52] <zeeshan> a little excessive :P
[01:53:08] <zeeshan> asah is your hydraulic pump on ALL the time?
[01:53:14] <zeeshan> only when you do a tool change
[01:53:16] <asah> no. just for tool changes
[01:53:23] <zeeshan> so you have one button that energizes it
[01:53:26] <zeeshan> a pressure light comes on
[01:53:27] <asah> so I have a contactor switchero setup.
[01:53:36] <zeeshan> and then you press another button to energize the solenoid?
[01:53:48] <zeeshan> to allow fluid flow to cylinder?
[01:53:54] <asah> well, I wrote a python component to do those things automagically.
[01:54:01] <asah> but essentially yes.
[01:54:12] <zeeshan> check this video out
[01:54:17] <zeeshan> this is the issue i was having with my pump
[01:54:24] <asah> its complicated by the fact that the vfd resource is shared between the two motors.
[01:54:32] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erP1e3bOqys&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg
[01:54:49] <Connor> asah: Why is it shared ?
[01:54:52] <asah> Ill likely get another dedicated vfd for the hydros, but this works till then.
[01:55:12] <zeeshan> my hydraulic pump isnt happy
[01:55:13] <zeeshan> :P
[01:55:15] <asah> cause my old vfd for the hydros was not rated high enough to run off single phase.
[01:55:34] <zeeshan> asah according to my motor specs for hydro
[01:55:38] <zeeshan> its only .25kW
[01:57:03] <asah> not fun… so the pressure switch never trips?
[01:57:13] <asah> that motor does not sound happy.
[01:57:15] <zeeshan> no it does
[01:57:21] <zeeshan> notice how it went to infinity
[01:57:23] <zeeshan> on the ohmmeter?
[01:57:26] <zeeshan> for a little bit
[01:57:46] <zeeshan> i decoupled the motor from the hydraulic pump
[01:57:48] <asah> I have some partes in my manual I didn’t scan.
[01:57:50] <zeeshan> and it runs fine
[01:58:05] <asah> which may be helpful. (did you get the rest of those scans ok?)
[01:58:10] <zeeshan> btw thanks so much for the link
[01:58:12] <zeeshan> they helped :)
[01:58:19] <zeeshan> infact thats where i figured out the operation for the hydraulic pump
[01:58:21] <asah> it describes the hydros setup on my mill.
[01:58:29] <Connor> could it be that the pump needs work? Like bad bearings ?
[01:58:36] <zeeshan> connor im not sure yet
[01:58:39] <zeeshan> i still have to take the pump apart
[01:58:43] <zeeshan> ands ee whats going on inside
[01:58:50] <zeeshan> ill do it later this week
[01:58:53] <zeeshan> i got an exam this wednesday
[01:58:55] <asah> that is a different pump than I have.
[01:58:55] <zeeshan> studying :(
[01:59:05] <Connor> I told you a while back the pump was for the draw bar.. you must have not seen me say it..
[01:59:10] <asah> mine is a small hawe power pack.
[01:59:14] <zeeshan> connor i know it is!
[01:59:23] <zeeshan> asah ah okay
[01:59:28] <zeeshan> mines a small bosch power pack :P
[01:59:34] <zeeshan> with 1 pressure switch
[01:59:37] <zeeshan> and 1 solenoid valve
[02:00:07] <zeeshan> asah: got videos of your mill in action? :D
[02:00:18] <asah> =) not yet.
[02:00:47] <asah> still much to do. I have all the panels stripped off the thing. going to paint some of them.
[02:01:03] <asah> making a new console for the monitor and keyboard setup… the fun never stops.
[02:01:20] <asah> super excited to be able to swap tools though!
[02:02:04] <asah> what are you studying zeeshan?
[02:02:16] <zeeshan> "advanced structural mechanics"
[02:02:17] <zeeshan> graduate course
[02:02:19] <zeeshan> its driving me insane
[02:02:33] <asah> what degree you going after?
[02:02:43] <zeeshan> masters of applied sciene
[02:02:44] <zeeshan> mech eng
[02:02:54] <asah> fun stuff.
[02:03:00] <zeeshan> dude
[02:03:07] <zeeshan> how did you figure out what tool holder
[02:03:11] <zeeshan> and retention knob your machine uses?
[02:03:28] <asah> manual.
[02:03:35] <asah> and previous owner.
[02:03:49] <zeeshan> check this out
[02:03:52] <asah> I have the full manual set.
[02:03:56] <zeeshan> youre lucky!
[02:04:06] <asah> yes… very.
[02:04:09] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196844/
[02:04:17] <zeeshan> thats what my drawbar looks like
[02:04:24] <zeeshan> it doesnt look like it pulls on a pull stud
[02:04:32] <zeeshan> cause currently its in the closed position
[02:04:37] <zeeshan> and it looks too far open
[02:04:41] <asah> have you tried mazak like mine?
[02:04:46] <zeeshan> no
[02:04:47] <zeeshan> im afraid
[02:04:51] <zeeshan> i dont want to jam the tool :P
[02:05:08] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15616955925/in/photostream/
[02:05:12] <zeeshan> this is one of the tools that came with the machine
[02:05:21] <zeeshan> but the previous owner told me he doesnt know if it belogns with it :P
[02:05:44] <asah> does he taper fit?
[02:05:52] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196644/in/photostream/
[02:05:54] <zeeshan> i cant check
[02:05:58] <zeeshan> thats the most i can get it in
[02:06:07] <zeeshan> cause my hydraulics isnt working :)
[02:06:11] <asah> =)
[02:06:23] <zeeshan> online i found specs saying
[02:06:26] <asah> looks like you can build pressure on the hydros though.
[02:06:26] <zeeshan> 'iso40 din2080'
[02:06:40] <zeeshan> yes
[02:06:44] <zeeshan> but i dont wanna burn the pump or motor
[02:06:50] <zeeshan> so im gonna try to fix the overload condition first
[02:07:01] <zeeshan> these components are kind of expensive to replace!
[02:07:08] <asah> the solenoid on mine took a fair bit of current like 1.2 @ 24v
[02:07:15] <zeeshan> wow
[02:07:26] <asah> yeah, I was surprised.
[02:07:27] <zeeshan> i guess it'll need a relay
[02:07:33] <asah> thats what I had to do.
[02:07:33] <zeeshan> cant pass it right through mesa
[02:07:34] <zeeshan> :/
[02:07:40] <asah> then it worked fine.
[02:07:42] <zeeshan> i think mesa is 300mA
[02:07:43] <zeeshan> max
[02:08:00] <zeeshan> 7i77 that is
[02:08:04] <asah> I tried to run it off that and no dice.
[02:08:16] <asah> (I have 7i70 and 7i71 io boards)
[02:09:17] <Connor> Don't forget to put fly-back diodes on the relays.
[02:09:33] <zeeshan> doesnt mesa sell a relay card
[02:09:34] <zeeshan> ;/
[02:10:47] <zeeshan> Because of thermal limitations there is a maximum p er driver chip total current of 1.4 amps continuous. Each driver chip connects to 8 sequential outputs. If this limit is exceeded, the driver chip may go into thermal shutd own
[02:10:56] <zeeshan> hehe
[02:10:58] <asah> their spindle interface card works as relay card.
[02:11:24] <asah> I had some nice siemens contactors that lived in the maho originally.
[02:11:43] <asah> total overkill to switch 24v… but thats what I had lying around. =)
[02:13:07] <zeeshan> haha
[02:13:22] <zeeshan> i have an abundance of those contactors!
[02:13:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/A0ZB0HS.jpg
[02:13:53] <asah> I bet you do. and a ton of wire...
[02:13:54] <zeeshan> i gutted that cabinet out
[02:13:57] <zeeshan> completely
[02:14:14] <asah> same ones. =)
[02:14:17] <zeeshan> haha
[02:14:28] <zeeshan> i sold the servo drive unit
[02:14:33] <zeeshan> and tnc 150
[02:14:35] <zeeshan> it sold in 3 days
[02:14:36] <zeeshan> haha
[02:17:20] <asah> wow.
[02:17:24] <asah> I should try that too.
[02:17:25] <asah> ebay?
[02:17:28] <zeeshan> yes
[02:17:35] <zeeshan> i made 1000 of them
[02:17:38] <zeeshan> or 1200
[02:17:40] <zeeshan> i forget
[02:17:45] <zeeshan> it was ridiculusly high
[02:17:48] <asah> wow.
[02:17:53] <zeeshan> fyi
[02:17:56] <zeeshan> each one of those cards
[02:17:58] <zeeshan> in the servo drive unit
[02:18:03] <zeeshan> costs 900$--1000
[02:18:25] <asah> crazy.
[02:18:41] <asah> that was the bosch setup?
[02:18:51] <zeeshan> yes
[02:18:53] <zeeshan> bosch tr10
[02:18:58] <zeeshan> and heidenahin tnc140
[02:18:59] <zeeshan> er
[02:18:59] <zeeshan> 150
[02:19:06] <asah> cool.
[02:19:31] <asah> I will have to start taking some pics of stuff in my boxes labeled maho. =)
[02:19:48] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HEIDENHAIN-TNC-150-BOARD-221678-005048-/360206949273?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53de01db99
[02:19:49] <zeeshan> thats one card
[02:19:53] <zeeshan> from the heidenhain
[02:19:54] <zeeshan> lol
[02:20:03] <asah> mine is a phillips control.
[02:20:05] <asah> 432.
[02:20:07] <zeeshan> oh
[02:20:15] <zeeshan> does your machine have glass scales?
[02:20:18] <asah> yes.
[02:20:22] <asah> same ones I believe.
[02:20:26] <zeeshan> by who
[02:20:27] <asah> heidenhain scales
[02:20:32] <zeeshan> so you have an interpolator?
[02:20:34] <zeeshan> card
[02:20:36] <asah> yes.
[02:20:39] <zeeshan> exe?
[02:20:42] <asah> yes.
[02:20:53] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281448570707?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[02:20:55] <zeeshan> i bought those
[02:20:56] <zeeshan> i hope they work
[02:21:01] <zeeshan> still waiting for them to arrive
[02:21:39] <asah> did you check the current rating and match it?
[02:22:07] <asah> that one looks way more advanced than mine. =)
[02:22:44] <zeeshan> i just used the fact
[02:22:47] <zeeshan> that theyre 11uA scales
[02:23:20] <asah> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f48/94721d1387856588-maho-mh400e-retrofit-linuxcnc-exe_board.jpg
[02:23:29] <asah> cool. should work then. =)
[02:23:31] <zeeshan> wow
[02:23:33] <zeeshan> those are nice!
[02:23:46] <asah> old school discrete logic.
[02:24:11] <zeeshan> what model is your scale
[02:24:12] <asah> it has nice test points on it that have been very helpful.
[02:24:13] <zeeshan> ls #?
[02:24:50] <asah> LS 403
[02:25:02] <zeeshan> http://www.braunem.de/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Datenblaetter/Vergleichstabell_fuer_Messsysteme.pdf
[02:25:04] <zeeshan> i used this pdf
[02:25:12] <zeeshan> notice how it says ls 905 -> 11 uA
[02:25:20] <zeeshan> yours are also 11uA
[02:25:21] <zeeshan> :D
[02:27:04] <asah> I don’t see a 905 on there. =)
[02:27:27] <asah> 904 yes…
[02:27:49] <zeeshan> my bad
[02:27:50] <zeeshan> i meant 904
[02:28:30] <asah> cool. you can do both 5 and 10 x interp.
[02:28:31] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15536189301/
[02:28:36] <zeeshan> this was the original interpolator card
[02:28:38] <zeeshan> w/ the machine
[02:28:38] <asah> with that exe
[02:28:44] <zeeshan> im not too good with microelectronics
[02:28:47] <zeeshan> so i didnt bother figuring it out :P
[02:29:01] <zeeshan> but the chips look very similar to the one yours uses
[02:29:05] <asah> yeah, that one looks rough.
[02:29:14] <asah> mine was all nice and self contained.
[02:29:19] <zeeshan> nice
[02:29:27] <zeeshan> i'd like to run 10x
[02:29:32] <zeeshan> precise!
[02:29:34] <asah> I would bet.
[02:29:35] <asah> =)
[02:29:50] <zeeshan> itll prolly be a couple of weeks
[02:29:54] <zeeshan> before i can get it running
[02:29:56] <zeeshan> so much to do :/
[02:29:58] <asah> or months.
[02:29:59] <asah> =)
[02:30:01] <zeeshan> haha
[02:30:05] <asah> started out with weeks for me.
[02:30:16] <asah> and things go on and on.
[02:30:23] <asah> and life gets in the way…
[02:30:45] <asah> I started in in ernest around christmas last year.
[02:30:59] <zeeshan> wow
[02:31:03] <asah> got it all working with three phase on the old power system.
[02:31:07] <zeeshan> it took about 2 months to do my lathe
[02:31:09] <zeeshan> but that was completely custom
[02:31:09] <asah> (drives I mean)
[02:31:56] <asah> now having to pull and redo all the drive systems, replace servos, make mounts etc...
[02:32:06] <zeeshan> what servo drives are you using
[02:32:07] <zeeshan> i forget :)
[02:32:20] <asah> not to mention I am a bit crazy at work. (starting a robotics company ) =)
[02:32:25] <asah> mesa 8i20
[02:32:32] <zeeshan> ah cool
[02:32:38] <zeeshan> nice
[02:33:01] <asah> I imagine I am never going to be done with the thing… but in a good way.
[02:33:11] <asah> I have lots of proejcts planned. =)
[02:33:37] <asah> nice manual input is needed. (jog knob )
[02:33:49] <asah> etc...
[02:34:33] <zeeshan> :D
[02:34:53] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14926219104/
[02:34:56] <zeeshan> does your machine have that
[02:35:10] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15540544082/
[02:38:10] <asah> which… the gear changing servos ?
[02:38:13] <asah> yes.
[02:38:20] <asah> 18 speed gearbox on mine.
[02:38:28] <zeeshan> haha
[02:38:38] <zeeshan> i want to elimiante it somehow
[02:38:39] <zeeshan> =/
[02:38:44] <zeeshan> i just want high and low gear
[02:38:54] <zeeshan> i was looking at your manual
[02:38:58] <zeeshan> seems a bit complicated :P
[02:39:20] <asah> quite...
[02:40:11] <asah> I am looking to do the same thing (use vfd to do the fine tuned speeds)
[02:40:40] <asah> looks possible… I just haven’t figured out which exact gears to use...
[02:40:56] <zeeshan> yes
[02:41:20] <zeeshan> thsoe gear changing servos might be nice to have
[02:41:20] <asah> I can manually switch them easily.
[02:41:25] <zeeshan> for lets say you want to do
[02:41:26] <zeeshan> rigid tapping
[02:41:33] <zeeshan> and want to spin at 5 rpm :P
[02:42:16] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:37] <asah> I built a component to do the changing… so I am pretty far along the pike towards full gearbox control.
[02:43:03] <asah> it is a ton of IO and states to keep track of.
[02:43:29] <zeeshan> doh
[02:43:41] <zeeshan> remember how many io it takes? :)
[02:43:42] <zeeshan> roughly
[02:43:45] <asah> In haooy to share those things if they are interesting.
[02:43:51] <asah> happy rather...
[02:44:08] <zeeshan> will definitely ask you when i get there!
[02:45:06] <asah> roughly 10 - 12 inputs, 10-12 outputs.
[02:45:14] <asah> I forget.
[02:45:39] <zeeshan> wow
[02:45:44] <zeeshan> thats a lotta i/o stolen
[02:45:45] <zeeshan> :P
[02:45:50] <asah> yeah.
[02:46:29] <asah> 3-4 states for each stage… three stages.
[02:46:59] <asah> then similar amounts of output.
[02:48:07] <zeeshan> hah
[02:48:13] <zeeshan> fun
[02:52:58] <asah> good luck on the exam. ping me if you need details I might be able to help on.
[02:53:05] <zeeshan> will do!
[02:53:06] <zeeshan> thanks a lot!
[02:53:20] <asah> np… you have my email now so…
[02:53:28] <zeeshan> i stalked you
[02:53:31] <zeeshan> on practical machinist
[02:53:31] <zeeshan> haha
[02:53:37] <zeeshan> i eventually found it!
[02:53:42] <asah> smart. =)
[06:41:53] <guerillaEngineer> Broke down today and bought an xy table from Proxxon
[06:45:27] <jthornton> link
[06:53:47] <Tecan> i broke down and bought a lottery ticket
[06:53:56] <Tecan> it lost... im fucked
[06:54:11] <Tecan> laughs hysterically
[06:59:00] <bedah> here in germany, "lottery" is called "idiot's tax"
[06:59:17] <ler_hydra> anyone here have experience with sherline's 5000 micro mills?
[07:04:28] <seltecc> Hi everyone
[07:06:53] <seltecc> I would like to have my rotary axis as a lathe but it needs to turn faster. I do not use the stepconf, so I have to change values in the ini
[07:10:41] <seltecc> I´ve changed the values of MAX_ACCELERATION and MAX_VELOCITY as well of STEPGEN_MAXACCEL but none of it works...?!
[07:14:07] <seltecc> any ideas how to make my 3 rd. axis rotate faster ?
[07:19:29] <jthornton> the $64k question is "can that axis go faster?"
[07:25:53] <guerillaEngineer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000S81MHY?pc_redir=1413771450&robot_redir=1 the link
[07:26:07] <jthornton> change gearing, get a faster motor are some options
[07:26:52] <guerillaEngineer> I've seen some decent conversions for it, already have a very powerful z-axis. Should be pimp once I get the play under .2
[07:26:54] <jthornton> tiny little thing
[07:27:10] <jthornton> put some ball screws on it
[07:27:23] <CaptHindsight> .2 inch, feet, mm, microns??
[07:28:10] <guerillaEngineer> Sorry, it cut off. .2mm
[07:28:44] <guerillaEngineer> It'll just be for parts replacing my larger units. Good buy for 92.
[07:29:23] <guerillaEngineer> A .2micron resolution? I wish
[07:50:26] <guerillaEngineer> Anyone ever make a moving table design rotated 90degrees?
[08:00:31] <guerillaEngineer> Cool name
[08:21:11] <SpeedEvil> guerillaEngineer: nano nano
[08:21:30] <SpeedEvil> 200nm would rule. (diffraction gratings)
[08:21:40] * SpeedEvil lolz.
[08:21:54] * SpeedEvil realises you could direct-draw holograms on metal
[08:21:55] <SpeedEvil> now _that_ would be cool.
[08:21:58] <SpeedEvil> Though somewhat slow
[08:35:46] <archivist> ler_hydra, only to the extend of a small test drive at a show (ok), and reading impossible specifications for the rotary table on the website
[08:35:52] <archivist> extent
[08:38:06] <ler_hydra> archivist, heh, I haven't looked at their rotary table yet, what was it that was off?
[08:40:19] <archivist> they claimed that a hobbed worm wheel would give them unmeasurable accuracy by the normal user, they are confused between accuracy and resolution
[08:41:06] <SpeedEvil> Or realistic about the measurement capabilities of the normal user.
[08:41:21] <ler_hydra> if I had a dollar for every time I hear "(near) infinite accuracy"....
[08:41:35] <archivist> we were having problems at the previous day job and I spent some time measuring various rotaries
[08:42:05] <archivist> some were nearly a degree out
[08:42:11] <SpeedEvil> Impressive
[08:42:40] <archivist> only one I found worked to a minute of a degree
[08:42:42] <ler_hydra> ouch...
[08:43:01] <ler_hydra> that's far worse than I had expected
[08:43:11] <archivist> I need to write up the method one day
[08:43:40] <ler_hydra> just to be sure, you're talking about linearity error now, right?
[08:44:06] <ler_hydra> or the equivalent phrase in machining terms ;)
[08:44:40] <archivist> I suppose I am lucky I have an optical polygon and an angle dekkor
[08:45:25] <SpeedEvil> archivist: put webcam on table in room with a lot of stuff, and do it all in software
[08:46:22] <archivist> I am talking setting an angle on the input worm and measuring the resultant angle of the output wormwheel
[08:47:04] <archivist> polygon http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0607.JPG
[08:48:24] <archivist> angle dekkor is a type of autocollimator
[08:51:55] <guerillaEngineer> I would just draw a half-rectangle, measure the angles, and do trig. Takes like two minutes and I sleep well knowing my dekkor isn't an advanced alien being.
[08:52:30] <archivist> then you get parts returned, we did
[08:52:41] <guerillaEngineer> Nice
[08:53:13] <guerillaEngineer> Nice well, not NICE. Seeing as you had to deal with such calibration errors.
[08:58:15] <guerillaEngineer> Who thinks a 12v 15a supply could drive 3xnema 17s for lot-speed usage?
[08:59:48] <archivist> by the way the error from a bad rotary is cyclic (approx saw tooth) at the worm wheel rate
[09:00:52] <archivist> there are some telescope makers who have written up on their problems making worm drives
[09:00:56] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes - I was just thinking of something very simple - drive the input wheel at 1rpm, and measure output angle using webcam pointed at table
[09:02:13] <SpeedEvil> You can work out the angle of a fine line very, very accurately, given a 1024*768 or whatever image
[09:03:49] <archivist> I still have one of the bad gears we cut
[09:05:43] <PetefromTn_andro> Morning folks
[09:10:25] <SpeedEvil> moreninng
[09:21:19] <PetefromTn_andro> Well my new cnc lathe retrofit machine project is in the shop after a very long day moving it from Louisville Kentucky yesterday.
[09:22:37] <skunkworks_> PetefromTn_andro: nice!
[09:23:12] <PetefromTn_andro> Almost nine hours drive time total and then getting that heavy bitch off the trailer and into the shop finally returned the trailer to uhaul at 1:40 last night LOL
[09:24:49] <PetefromTn_andro> No smashed fingers or damage to the machine and we got it here safely so I call that a successful trip
[09:25:59] <PetefromTn_andro> Now I can spend my time trying to get it positioned in the shop where I want it and start cleaning it this bitch is filthy hehe
[09:26:30] <archivist> pictures or it didnt happen :)
[09:26:45] * archivist ducks
[09:27:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I need to get pictures but it was a long day yesterday and we got done really late. Plus it does not look like Mich. The control has been gutted and it is missing the spindle motor etc. Etc.
[09:29:14] <archivist> A kit, I got two microscopes last week as kits, more fun
[09:29:34] <PetefromTn_andro> Someone removed most of the enclosure and it's in pieces. I also need to strip and repaint some of the sheet metal because some asshole painted in with a mop I think.
[09:29:43] <archivist> till "complete" really means parts missing
[09:30:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Most of what I need to put it back together is all there just dirty.
[09:32:22] <PetefromTn_andro> What is there physically looks really good tho and it is a fine machine. 15x40 swing and it has a nice heavy duty tail stock and a pretty heavy casting.
[09:34:08] <PetefromTn_andro> It has a D1-5 or 6 headstock not exactly sure which one just yet. It's pretty large tho. Much bigger than the D1-4 I had on my 12x36 Asian lathe I just sold.
[09:35:19] <PetefromTn_andro> It has a very large and deep chip trays with a coolant drain into a sump that sits in the tail stock foot
[09:36:18] <PetefromTn_andro> It's made by HH Roberts /Standard Modern in Canada.
[09:38:28] <PetefromTn_andro> All in all it should be basically twice the machine and then some of my 12x36 I had which was a pretty nice little lathe actually so once I get it cnc retrofit working it will be a great addition to my shop.
[09:40:21] <PetefromTn_andro> The only real problem it has is since they removed the spindle motor they must have lost the timing belt pulley for it so I am gonna have to find out what kind of belts it used and then try to find or make one for it.
[09:41:00] <PetefromTn_andro> It was apparently a 5hp or 7.5 hp machine before
[09:41:34] <PetefromTn_andro> There are still three long timing belts in the enclosure that were for the spindle.
[09:42:40] <PetefromTn_andro> I'm going to try to get my hands on a new 5hp face mount three phase motor for it and run it with a vfd most likely
[09:43:43] <PetefromTn_andro> The spindle already has a nice encoder installed on it and there is some kinda sensor going into the headstock case that I am not sure what it is yet.
[09:44:44] <PetefromTn_andro> After breakfast I am going to get out there and start cleaning it up and getting it moved into the place I want it.
[09:45:22] <PetefromTn_andro> This should be a really cool machine retrofit project.
[09:45:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Can't wait to have a nice powerful cnc lathe to work with.
[09:46:37] <PetefromTn_andro> I'll try to get pictures when it is a bit more presentable hehe
[11:20:11] * Tom_shop agrees with archivist that it never happened!!
[11:20:51] <Tom_itx> we need to see what you're starting with!
[11:21:18] <archivist> warts and all
[11:23:09] <Tom_itx> just no bloody smashed digits
[11:23:26] <Tom_itx> i know what those look like :)
[12:02:34] <Loetmichel> re from doing chores... thats what you get for being lazy... my wife has a bad hip so we order much stuff online... to the extend that we got a letter from the landlord who had given us two weeks to dispose of the corrugatet paper boxes on our back balcony... which was 24' long, 6' wide and 4' high FILLED with boxes ;-) ... took me a while to get them cut up and into the scrap paper containers
[12:02:34] <Loetmichel> outside ;-)
[12:28:25] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I hear you man. I am still trying to get it moved around in the shop. Honestly that mopped on paint on a lot of the surfaces is not gonna work for me. In fact I have already started to strip it off in a couple spots.
[12:28:34] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that the ways look really nice and smooth.
[12:28:52] <PetefromTn_> No major wear or damage really that I have seen anywhere.
[12:29:51] <PetefromTn_> The X axis has the ballscrew and servo still there along with the heavy timing belt drive that it came with. The Z ballscrew was removed so I will be needing to get one made and they removed the Z axis motor.
[12:30:23] <PetefromTn_> The thats the bad news the good news is they were kind enough to leave all the mounts for the Z ballscrew on all three places both ends and the carriage.
[12:30:57] <PetefromTn_> They seem to have large diameter bearing holes in them and it appears that the Z motor was originally mounted right along side of the headstock
[12:31:27] <PetefromTn_> There is a piece of angled sheetmetal that kinda isolated the work area from that and there is also a cover that went over top of the motor.
[12:31:49] <PetefromTn_> The motor is mounted horiztonally parallel with the Z axis
[12:32:47] <PetefromTn_> There was a small box that came with the machine that has the original heavy belt drive and timing pullies for that Z motor so I guess they probably used the same style Z motor as the X motor. The X motor is quite large
[12:33:32] <PetefromTn_> The X axis carriage sticks out pretty far beyond the rear of the apron and the X motor sits underneath it facing the back of the machine and the belt drive is mounted to a heavy steel plate vertically.
[12:33:38] <Tom_itx> no pics... never happened!
[12:33:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I hear ya.
[12:33:49] <PetefromTn_> To be honest
[12:33:56] <Tom_itx> it's a good story though :D
[12:33:57] <PetefromTn_> my shop is a fuckin' disaster right now
[12:34:24] <PetefromTn_> I mean I have shit everywhere from moving out the old machine and setting up rigging to move that out and the new one in.
[12:34:52] <Tom_itx> that's what makes it interesting
[12:34:55] <PetefromTn_> Plus my wife has decided to start a woodworking project making some kinda square pumpkin things you put at the front door during halloween
[12:35:12] <PetefromTn_> so I have wood dust, paint and shit everywhere from that.
[12:35:24] <archivist> I always look in the background :)
[12:35:26] <PetefromTn_> And my shop is not that big so a little clutter makes for quite a disaster.
[12:35:39] <PetefromTn_> I will definitely get some pics here soon
[12:35:59] <PetefromTn_> I just wanted to get it sorta cleaned off and put in position to get better photos of it.
[12:36:09] <PetefromTn_> I am very pleased so far with my purchase tho.
[12:36:18] <PetefromTn_> It should be a fine lathe when it is finished
[12:36:38] <PetefromTn_> it should be able to do about anything I could want to with a CNC lathe short of a full blown turning center
[12:36:45] <archivist> we all have teh clutter http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_10_11_lounge/P1010001.JPG
[12:37:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah but at least yours is sorta organized clutter hehe
[12:37:23] <PetefromTn_> mine right now looks like a bomb went off in a machine shop
[12:37:37] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: don't let them manipulate you. I believe you. Who would make up such a story? :)
[12:37:45] <PetefromTn_> The machine is grey on the top area
[12:37:49] <archivist> and the garage http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_15_glass_trolley/IMG_1526.JPG
[12:37:54] <PetefromTn_> and all gunmetal grey on the bottom
[12:38:01] <archivist> not tidy!
[12:38:58] <PetefromTn_> Okay okay you got me beat LOL
[12:39:01] <PetefromTn_> :D
[12:39:21] <PetefromTn_> I just like to put my best foot forward when showing shop pictures is all
[12:39:36] <archivist> had to invert the frame to get it out
[12:39:39] <PetefromTn_> not trying to BS ya
[12:40:00] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I assure you I am NOT making this up ;)
[12:40:39] <PetefromTn_> and to make it all even better I just ordered a brand new Air conditioning system for the house that will arrive here wednesday so I need to get this beotch cleaned up to make room for it until I can get it installed.
[12:41:41] <PetefromTn_> I swear that damn Uhaul trailer was awesome....
[12:42:13] <PetefromTn_> right up until we lowered the damn rear deck and tried to get the machine to slide over the large crossways ribs they were kind enough to put into its face
[12:42:26] <PetefromTn_> Damn foot of the machine caught on every single one of them
[12:42:34] <archivist> I need to make more space here for the machines
[12:42:44] <PetefromTn_> you never saw such a furious prybar fest
[12:43:22] <PetefromTn_> my old POS heavy duty engine crane was actually able to lift the whole machine off the deck just enough to get something very very thin under it
[12:43:50] <PetefromTn_> then it was lots of cranking with the come-a-long until it slid off onto the wood cribbage we setup under it.
[12:44:14] <PetefromTn_> once we got the damn thing off the trailer and could drive the truck and trailer out from underneath it it was not too bad really.
[12:44:29] <PetefromTn_> apparently when the machine is fully assembled it weighs about 3k lbs
[12:45:04] <PetefromTn_> mine is less of course since it is missing the Z balllscrew Z motor and spindle motor along with everything in the electronics enclosure that was not bolted down tight hehehe
[12:46:09] <PetefromTn_> ya know I have bought and sold a BUNCH of machines over the years and it never gets easy to move them for some reason. Maybe I am just doing it wrong heh
[12:46:55] <archivist> it is like chess, you have to think a few moves ahead
[12:47:00] <PetefromTn_> it seems like that mopped on paint comes off real quick with mar hyde tal strip paint remover spray so that is a good news.
[12:47:12] <PetefromTn_> yes exactly and try to not do anything terribly stupid.
[12:48:00] <PetefromTn_> trying to decide if I should strip the whole freakin lathe down to bare metal and respray with some nice epoxy based industrial paint or just do the top area where they mopped it on.
[12:48:21] <PetefromTn_> The base is just gunmetal gray and the paint while greasy and grimy does not look too bad really.
[12:48:55] <PetefromTn_> I may try to mask off the bottom area after I clean the piss out of it and just respray the top sheetmetal after I get it stripped.
[12:49:35] <PetefromTn_> Would have been nice to just get on with retrofitting it but I know how I am It would drive me nuckin' futz to have to look at all that mopped on paint for any amount of time really.
[12:51:05] <PetefromTn_> well I better get my ass back out there and get to cleaning and moving stuff so I can make room. I was thinking of putting it in the midle of the side wall so I can have access to the tailstock end for longer bar stock but I would need to move a couple tons of junk to make that happen.
[12:51:22] <PetefromTn_> We will see how determined I am I guess here haha
[12:51:23] <archivist> take your camera with you :)
[12:51:31] <PetefromTn_> :D
[13:27:36] <rob_h> its allways nice getting new toys :) spend hours playing with them
[13:29:11] <gennro> yes it is
[13:30:27] <gennro> i just wish I had my belts and pullies for my cnc I am building
[13:30:58] <rob_h> i wish i knew whrere i put things after having a move around in the workshop
[13:31:21] <gennro> lol, I wish I knew where half my stuff went
[13:32:59] <gennro> i need to run to radioshack and grab a few more parts
[13:33:33] <rob_h> id be lucky if i can get a plug fuse in this town lol
[13:33:59] <gennro> lol
[13:34:10] <gennro> i live in las vegas, so have just about everything here
[13:35:06] <rob_h> even weather then
[13:35:12] <gennro> these guys are just down the road http://www.pololu.com/
[13:35:58] <rob_h> little old UK here :)
[13:36:31] <gennro> ah ok, yeah it hardly rains here
[13:37:29] <_methods> except fake titties
[13:37:40] <_methods> it's basically raining fake titties around there
[13:37:54] <gennro> yes
[13:38:23] <_methods> i think it's a reqmnt to get a drivers license
[15:00:06] <varesa> what is the most likely reason for the max speed I can run my machine without stalling suddenly dropping by 1/2?
[15:01:05] <varesa> the machine was also moved from around 0-10C to +20C, so maybe something temp-related in the drives causing current to drop?
[15:02:36] <varesa> I used to have my max velocity in the .ini around 20, now I need to put it and the homing velocities to something like 6 for some axes for it to even home
[15:02:40] <Tom_itx> bad bearing?
[15:02:41] <CaptHindsight> what drives? motors? type of machine? whay type of gearings?
[15:02:46] <Tom_itx> somthing binding
[15:02:48] <CaptHindsight> bearings?
[15:03:29] <varesa> I don't think it is a mechanical thing, as atleast the Z axis which propably has the most trouble moving up is really light if I spin it by hand when the motor is off
[15:03:37] <MrSunshine> hmm got blocks, 40x40mm big ... that i need to hold down firmly to make a hole in them using the cnc ... anyone got any idea? i need them to be fast swapable to continue on the next batch .. and atleast 5 - 10 blocks at a time in a jig =)
[15:03:44] <varesa> (unless it starts to bind at higher speeds)
[15:03:45] <CaptHindsight> was the machine moved or was the just ambient temperature changed?
[15:03:51] <varesa> CaptHindsight: moved
[15:03:56] <MrSunshine> (they do not have a perfect size ... can diff -1mm from the 40mm :/
[15:03:59] <Tom_itx> :(
[15:04:17] <CaptHindsight> varesa: maybe something is now more bent than it was
[15:04:54] <varesa> CaptHindsight: possibility, but then it moves just fine by hand making me think the motors are driven with lower current than before
[15:05:04] <CaptHindsight> wiring
[15:05:17] <CaptHindsight> loose solder connections
[15:05:51] <varesa> I don't really know about the models of the drives/motors/mechanics, it is this Terco CNC 45 with close to zero specs/documentation: I don't really
[15:05:55] <CaptHindsight> electrical contamination falling into wiring, contacts. relays etc
[15:06:07] <varesa> *: http://i.imgur.com/m6onk0k.jpg
[15:06:36] <CaptHindsight> I asked since the more info we have the better guesses we can make
[15:06:49] <hpopols> Hi
[15:06:56] <varesa> Of course, and I'm more than happy to tell as much as I know
[15:07:10] <ReadError> varesa, QUIT STALKING ME
[15:07:36] <hpopols> I saw a small typo error in linuxcnc interface documentation, where can I report it?
[15:07:38] <varesa> ReadError: Stop being interested in the same things :p
[15:08:09] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: what typo?
[15:08:21] <varesa> I checked that the drives are receiving a steady 42V, doesn't drop/have ripple when an axis is run (atleast on the X axis, I assume they are being fed from the same supply. The others are harder to measure)
[15:08:39] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: have a link?
[15:08:40] <hpopols> In http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html
[15:08:54] <hpopols> traj_mode(int) set trajectory mode. Mode is one of MODE_FREE, MODE_COORD, or MODE_TELEOP.
[15:09:14] <hpopols> it's TRAJ_MODE_FREE,...
[15:09:50] <hpopols> nothing very important but i notice it when witting my own gui
[15:10:55] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: near the end of section 5?
[15:11:18] <hpopols> yes end of 5.2
[15:11:28] <CaptHindsight> traj_mode(int) set trajectory mode. Mode is one of MODE_FREE, MODE_COORD, or MODE_TELEOP.
[15:11:47] <hpopols> yes, constant name doesn't exist
[15:12:01] <ReadError> varesa, what drives you using?
[15:12:10] <hpopols> real one are TRAJ_...
[15:13:13] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: so it should be the same as used in 3.1 " motion_type (returns integer) - trajectory planner mode. One of TRAJ_MODE_COORD, TRAJ_MODE_FREE, TRAJ_MODE_TELEOP."
[15:13:59] <hpopols> CaptHindsight: yes i think
[15:15:04] <CaptHindsight> "This is work in progress by Michael Haberler. " who has left to work on his fork of Linuxcnc
[15:15:10] <hpopols> CaptHindsight: MODE_* constant is used for AUTO MANUAL MDI
[15:15:44] <hpopols> mah left the lcnc project?
[15:16:15] <hpopols> i have been away for a while now but i didn't know that!
[15:16:28] <CaptHindsight> I used to see his nick in here but I think he left to pursue machinekit
[15:17:59] <hpopols> CaptHindsight: ok, i don't know this project
[15:22:23] <varesa> CaptHindsight: ReadError: My drives are 3x something that looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/bugM8Xz.jpg
[15:22:45] <ReadError> what do those pots do?
[15:22:55] <ReadError> current adjustment?
[15:23:53] <varesa> ReadError: Haven't tried, I just took one out of the machine and removed the covers/heatsinks
[15:26:15] <CaptHindsight> varesa: any problems before you moved the machine?
[15:26:33] <CaptHindsight> and did the problems start the first time you tried to use it after the move?
[15:26:38] <varesa> CaptHindsight: not of this sort
[15:26:44] <varesa> CaptHindsight: pretty much yes
[15:27:49] <CaptHindsight> varesa: are the all motors the same? is it just the one axis that is slower now?
[15:28:46] <varesa> CaptHindsight: They could be, though atleast the Y motor is pretty well hidden/covered. X seems unaffected but Y and Z required slowing a lot
[15:29:01] <CaptHindsight> can you compare the resistance of the motor windings from one motor to the other if it's only one axis that has changed
[15:29:16] <CaptHindsight> so (2) two axis seem slower now?
[15:29:22] <varesa> yes
[15:29:32] <CaptHindsight> maybe power supply as well
[15:30:14] <CaptHindsight> is there a common power supply to all 3 drives? do they each have their own power supply?
[15:30:58] <varesa> CaptHindsight: Each of the drives have their own pair of cables coming from the power supply, but I need to move the machine to see where they actually connect
[15:32:47] <CaptHindsight> I'd check all the connections, tighten things back up. One of the first things we'd do is start looking for bad connections by tapping boards, harnesses etc to see if it changes anything
[15:32:51] <PetefromTn_> Well I couldn't stand it anymore. I started stripping that freakin' mopped on shitty paint job off the headstock and the spindle belt enclosure area.
[15:33:18] <PetefromTn_> I also found that I have most of the stuff to put the sheetmetal covers all back together.
[15:33:19] <cathode> <3 amazon. just got my stepped bit delivered... on a sunday
[15:33:30] <PetefromTn_> I found the cover for the X axis belt drive
[15:33:31] <cathode> i ordered on friday night
[15:33:32] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: before you know it you'll have it all apart and media basting everything :)
[15:33:45] <PetefromTn_> I found the cover for the Apron area
[15:33:55] <CaptHindsight> cathode: carrier pigeon?
[15:33:56] <PetefromTn_> It has a nice long ballscrew cover
[15:33:57] <PetefromTn_> for the z
[15:34:18] <cathode> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sr7zdmaj6z9l83u/2014-10-26%2013.13.22.jpg?dl=0
[15:34:26] <cathode> USPS, apparently they deliver on sunday now
[15:34:28] <PetefromTn_> Captain I wish I had a parts washer big enough to dip this monster in so I could really clean it off.
[15:35:03] <CaptHindsight> varesa: chips, loose fasteners, etc also can find their way inside and fall onto connections
[15:35:14] <PetefromTn_> I figured out what some of the stuff in the belt drive compartment is.
[15:35:40] <PetefromTn_> It has apparenlty an oil recirculation pump that takes the headstock lubrication and sucks it out the bottom and then pumps it back up into the top somewhere
[15:36:01] <PetefromTn_> It has an encoder on the spindle
[15:36:17] <varesa> CaptHindsight: I'll check everything and do some more measurements
[15:36:31] <PetefromTn_> it has a coolant pump altho the pump itself is missing but the lines are already run in a nice jacketing looks like 220 single phase
[15:36:51] <PetefromTn_> It had an electronic one shot oiling system
[15:36:59] <varesa> I just now remembered that I did a lot of rewiring so I don't need the old controller box
[15:37:29] <PetefromTn_> the lines for it are run but the Z circuit is hanging there with what looks like a banjo bolt setup and I am not sure where the hell it goes.
[15:37:48] <cathode> PetefromTn_ - sounds like your machine is like my 1926 house
[15:38:03] <cathode> "i see this wire. and it's hot, but i have no idea where the hell it goes or comes from"
[15:38:08] <varesa> At first I moved just the power switch to the machine itself, didn't work. I realised that stuff like 5V and 12V supplies to the drive/logic stuff inside the machine are provided by the controller...
[15:38:14] <PetefromTn_> There is a pneumatic line going to an angled bit that was mounted on the toolpost for what I have no idea
[15:38:21] <PetefromTn_> cathode Yeah I know right.
[15:38:28] <PetefromTn_> Apparently the machine is a 1996
[15:38:32] <cathode> :/
[15:38:36] <PetefromTn_> it came with a three phase 7.5 HP spindle motor
[15:38:37] <cathode> made in taiwan/china?
[15:38:43] <PetefromTn_> no canada
[15:39:12] <PetefromTn_> its an HH Roberts Standard Modern 14x40
[15:39:21] <cathode> i bet once you get everything torn apart there will be a placard inside with the words "SORRY, MATE"
[15:51:45] <cathode> out of curiosity does anyone else here have either woodworking or metalworking machinery that uses DC motors instead of AC induction motors?
[15:52:10] <MrSunshine> dammit, i like Vectrics products .. only problem is that the toolpath generation realy "sucks" ... to little options =)
[15:59:37] <cathode> ah nvm it would need to be a brushless DC motor i guess. that would be ridiculously expensive
[16:00:31] <varesa> cathode: for the spindle?
[16:00:46] <cathode> i mean in general
[16:01:28] <varesa> mine has a DC spindle
[16:01:30] <cathode> i bought a 1hp 3-phase AC motor for my wood-cutting bandsaw that i'm building. but i'm thinking 1hp might be a little undersized so i'm looking at other options
[16:02:05] <varesa> ah that kind of machines
[16:02:48] <hpopols> CaptHindsight: I am curious, What is the purpose of the machinekit project? I went to the website nothing important related there. As far as i understood, the project is not only foccused on CNC and support embedded hardware (BagleBone). Not much changed from LCNC source. Can you tell me more about this project (few words)? Thank you in advance for your time.
[16:05:52] <cathode> i don't have 3phase service at my house, so i'm using a VFD with single-phase input to produce 3phase output. if i upgrade my motor size i'd like to still do the same thing but it's harder to find 3hp and 5hp VFD units that have a single-phase input option
[16:20:15] <PetefromTn_> file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf Just found this brochure for my lathe when it was new in 1996
[16:21:11] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: I don't really follow what is going on over at machinekit
[16:22:14] <PetefromTn_> file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/StandardModern_GSA_Catalog_Lathes_103108.pdf and this too.
[16:22:24] <CaptHindsight> hpopols: but I think you have summed it up and i think it is supposed to be easier to use with a GUI on your smartphone or tablet
[16:31:10] <cathode> PetefromTn_ - those are nice links to your computer's hard drive
[16:31:32] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[16:31:40] <PetefromTn_> oops LOL
[16:32:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CapZ2e_0sxs well apparently this is the same lathe I have here only the larger version of it. They made it up to 20 inch swing apparently
[16:33:30] <hpopols> CaptHindsight: ok thx for the response :), i will kept an eye on this project too :)
[16:45:50] <Deejay> gn8
[16:55:43] <somenewguy> hahha
[16:57:21] <somenewguy> cathode, there are a good number of single phase to 5 hp VFDs out there, obv they take 220 but I am earmarking them for myself in the future
[16:57:38] <somenewguy> unless of course they are in a catalog but not actually available, which is entirely possible, I am only window shopping
[16:57:48] <cathode> yeah i am running 240VAC to everything in my shop
[16:58:09] <somenewguy> yeah trying to get real power out of 110 just nets you fire
[16:58:31] <cathode> well, not really. but more expense because of the increased wire size
[17:04:06] <somenewguy> 5hp is like 35 amps at 110, not counting lossess/inrush so yeahhhh you're gonna want to use rebar for that drop
[17:19:51] <MrSunshine> anyone heard how the freecad/cam things are goign ? laid on ice again ? =)
[17:20:15] <somenewguy> he released 1.0 a few months ago after years of silence
[17:20:21] <somenewguy> oooh sorry I'm thinking of heekscad/cam
[17:20:46] <somenewguy> I use freecad for modeling only, works well enough for me
[17:24:37] <MrSunshine> yeah seen that heekscad has gone commercial but ...
[17:24:57] <somenewguy> freecad is much nicer than heekscad
[17:25:04] <somenewguy> but you can use models from freecad int heekscnc
[17:25:09] <somenewguy> which is where the value lies imho
[17:30:46] <MrSunshine> freecad got so much more potential but i guess its hard stuff to work on =)
[17:34:02] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: heekscad has new release?
[17:34:02] <XXCoder> wow
[20:52:41] <somenewguy> heekscad had a real release
[20:53:20] <somenewguy> I made some toolpaths w/ it but I have have never actually moved steel with the output, but it sure looked good
[20:53:38] <somenewguy> I have a few ngcgui routines that do 90% of everything I need, the rest I just decide I don't need lol
[20:53:57] <somenewguy> but if I ever have free time I plan to use heekCNC much more
[20:54:12] <somenewguy> shame I can't get it to build in anything other than ubuntu thanks to whoever maintains that ppa
[21:06:24] <Connor> PetefromTn_: How goes the clean up on the new lathe ?
[21:06:49] <PetefromTn_> Well...
[21:07:03] <PetefromTn_> its a really dirty girl, thats why I love her hehe
[21:09:05] <somenewguy> make sure you don't miss any of her nooks
[21:09:15] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uil3f62kiI Check out this toolchanger
[21:09:48] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah and she's got LOTSA nooks...:)
[21:12:12] <Connor_iPad> Interesting.
[21:12:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I am likin' that round boss tool carousel.
[21:13:31] <PetefromTn_> the toolholders are pretty interesting too.
[21:15:20] <somenewguy> shame 90% of it won't fit in ur parts tank, would make life easier I'm sure
[21:15:22] <PetefromTn_> what do you make of the diamond form grooving?
[21:15:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah right
[21:15:39] <PetefromTn_> I would love to be able to dunk this bitch
[21:15:51] <PetefromTn_> but since it is freaking quite huge that is not gonna happen
[21:16:02] <PetefromTn_> so I am going to have to knuckle down and get it done.
[21:16:12] <PetefromTn_> I ran out of degreaser this afternoon tho.
[21:16:42] <PetefromTn_> I almost would just take a hose to the thing but I don't have any way to drag it outside easily
[21:17:14] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to see this monster make some chips tho.
[21:17:25] <PetefromTn_> that will be a sweet day.
[21:18:04] <PetefromTn_> it is gonna need a bunch of work tho with the retrofit and getting it tooled up and coolant sump etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and etc.
[21:18:40] <Connor_iPad> Does it have mpgs on the cover?
[21:18:58] <PetefromTn_> unfortunatly no the parts pirates made sure of that.
[21:19:12] <Connor_iPad> But holes for them?
[21:19:22] <PetefromTn_> Honestly since it slides around like that I will probably not want them there anyways
[21:19:30] <PetefromTn_> I dunno lemme check?
[21:20:23] <PetefromTn_> looks like it might have had a removable plate or something.
[21:20:28] <PetefromTn_> thats gone too hehehe
[21:20:45] <PetefromTn_> like I said I probably would not have used it there anyways.
[21:21:00] <PetefromTn_> I plan to make a nice new pendant for it with similar setup to the Cincinattti
[21:21:05] <Connor_iPad> I dunno. That would have been nice on a lathe.
[21:21:18] <PetefromTn_> there is a very heavy duty mount for the arm for the pendant
[21:21:33] <PetefromTn_> Oh it will still have an MPG but just not on the sliding but.
[21:21:34] <Connor_iPad> Could do manual stuff without having to write g code.
[21:21:35] <PetefromTn_> bit
[21:21:54] <PetefromTn_> meh I seldom use the MPG for actual milling.
[21:22:04] <PetefromTn_> That is what the continuous feed buttons are for.
[21:22:35] <PetefromTn_> looking at some of the linuxCNC controls like JT's and others it seems there is already a bunch of built in conversational stuff
[21:22:50] <PetefromTn_> or at least it can be added easily.
[21:23:01] <PetefromTn_> I use the MPG for setup
[21:23:05] <PetefromTn_> touching off etc.
[21:23:12] <PetefromTn_> locating
[21:23:37] <PetefromTn_> I have been watching youtube videos on CNC lathes since I finished dinner.
[21:23:44] <PetefromTn_> Damn that is some pretty cool stuff.
[21:23:56] <PetefromTn_> I cannot wait to make a freakin' chess set hehe
[21:24:35] <Connor_iPad> Yup.
[21:25:45] <PetefromTn_> So far what I have seen of the basic machine everything is good to go. No damage or wear to speak of really.
[21:25:58] <PetefromTn_> I guess that one shot oiler setup did its job
[21:26:18] <Connor_iPad> Spindle bearings okay?
[21:26:19] <PetefromTn_> right now I am stripping the paint off the belt drive enclosure area.
[21:26:33] <PetefromTn_> well they feel okay hard to say without being able to turn it on
[21:26:45] <PetefromTn_> there is no slop or anything like that I can feel.
[21:26:55] <PetefromTn_> It has a D1-5 Camlock SPindle.
[21:27:15] <PetefromTn_> The spindle bore looks really clean and undamaged.
[21:27:24] <tjtr33> pcw_home, the 5i20 can use the HD-DB adapter to use 25pin daughter cards. could my 5i20 handle a 7i77 and 2pcs 7i75 ?
[21:27:33] <PetefromTn_> I definitely want to set it up with a collet closer somehow.
[21:27:45] <PetefromTn_> Been trying to find some kinda pneumatic collet closer solution
[21:27:55] <PetefromTn_> perhaps something I can fab myself or buy cheap
[21:28:22] <PetefromTn_> The spindle nose bore is similar to my 12x36 only larger.
[21:28:30] <PetefromTn_> Not sure what the taper is actually tho.
[21:29:29] <Connor_iPad> Is it going to fit In the same place as the old lathe?
[21:29:57] <PetefromTn_> no way LOL
[21:30:06] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have to move some shite
[21:30:21] <PetefromTn_> it is physically twice the size of the old machine basically
[21:30:38] <PetefromTn_> plus the electronics cabinet in the back sticks out a good bit.
[21:31:00] <PetefromTn_> and worst part of that is the damn door opens like a house door swinging open
[21:31:11] <Connor_iPad> That's sucks
[21:31:16] <PetefromTn_> so I cannot even put it right up against the wall or I cannot open the freakin' door
[21:31:46] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking of moving all that wood and junk to where the old lathe was and put the new lathe on the opposite wall
[21:31:57] <Connor_iPad> Put it on rollers.
[21:32:13] <PetefromTn_> that way if I ever get real fancy with a bar feeder or something I can put it out the left side towards the garage door
[21:32:31] <PetefromTn_> that is actually doable but then I could not level it up nice and flat
[21:32:59] <PetefromTn_> it has a VERY nice heavy duty steel welded base with built in coolant and motor mount etc etc
[21:33:15] <tjtr33> didnt you just get a new house to get more room? and now you have to move again? ☺
[21:33:17] <PetefromTn_> It is thick as shit the feet look to be at least half inch steel plate
[21:33:25] <PetefromTn_> I wish
[21:33:35] <PetefromTn_> My house is for sale but no sold just yet
[21:34:01] <PetefromTn_> At some point I will sell it and move back to FLorida and will have to pay thru the nose to move this shtuff down there.
[21:34:29] <tjtr33> oh i thought you already made the move, nevermind
[21:34:36] <PetefromTn_> There is NO WAY I will be getting rid of these machines after all the work I put into them unless I fall into deep shit and get major business and can buy brand new machines LOL
[21:35:09] <PetefromTn_> nope not unless you wanna buy my house hehe
[21:35:23] <tjtr33> rent it out, make income
[21:35:45] <PetefromTn_> well actually if we were not relocating to another state we would actually do that.
[21:35:52] <jdh> it was gorgeous here today.
[21:35:55] <PetefromTn_> we have talked about it.
[21:36:19] <PetefromTn_> but I would be afriad some jackoff would destroy it while we are out of state.
[21:36:44] <tjtr33> include payment to a manager in the monthly rent
[21:36:59] <PetefromTn_> I did just buy a brand new AC unit for it yesterday which should get here sometime mid week.
[21:37:22] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna do most of the installation myself and then pay my friend to come over and do what I cannot and finish it up.
[21:37:43] <PetefromTn_> I must have had twenty people ask me if we would do that
[21:37:56] <PetefromTn_> but I really just want to sell outright and get the hell out of here.
[21:38:53] <Connor_iPad> What's wrong with TN?
[21:40:00] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/pbOJHTr Just got this photo from a customer I did cabinet work for awhile back. They had some ugly red carpet in this room and just got hardwood installed. They cleaned it all up and snapped this photo.
[21:40:03] <jdh> the grass isn't as green there
[21:40:11] <PetefromTn_> Nothing is wrong with TN actually
[21:40:34] <PetefromTn_> It is honestly truly a beautiful place especially down by the Great Smoky Mountains National Park
[21:41:18] <PetefromTn_> I just grew up in South Florida, Most of my family is down there, most of my closest friends are down there, and I love the Ocean HEHE
[21:42:40] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had a forklift in my shop
[21:43:14] <tjtr33> floor flat? use air pads?
[21:43:30] <PetefromTn_> Well back to the shop I gotta get this place organized so I can move this new lathe to its home
[21:43:37] <PetefromTn_> not a bad idea really
[21:43:48] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some homebuilt ones that were pretty cool.
[21:44:01] <PetefromTn_> just a little bit of air pressure moved very heavy loads
[21:44:10] <PetefromTn_> OH I forgot
[21:44:19] <PetefromTn_> I spoke to SSi
[21:44:34] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if he has been on here today or yesterday or not
[21:45:09] <PetefromTn_> I hope I am not overstepping my bounds telling you this but he had a big fire in his house while I was driving to KY.
[21:45:26] <jdh> that sucks
[21:45:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah it does.
[21:45:34] <Connor_iPad> Oh hell. The laser?
[21:45:40] <PetefromTn_> That sweet CNC laser he built is GONE...
[21:45:49] <PetefromTn_> along with half his house apparently
[21:46:01] <zeeshan> are you joking
[21:46:03] <zeeshan> is he okay?
[21:46:07] <Connor_iPad> Oh frack.
[21:46:09] <PetefromTn_> some of his machines that were down in the basement were flooded
[21:46:15] <PetefromTn_> no he is fine
[21:46:19] <zeeshan> phew
[21:46:24] <zeeshan> thats all that matters at the end
[21:46:36] <PetefromTn_> apparently the laser was running some of those parts
[21:46:46] <PetefromTn_> and he went to the other room to do some program changes or something
[21:46:53] <PetefromTn_> he said he heard the machine stop running.
[21:47:02] <PetefromTn_> when he went to check on it it started on fire
[21:47:13] <PetefromTn_> before he could get it out it got out of control
[21:47:23] <PetefromTn_> and he just grabbed his pets and left
[21:47:25] <zeeshan> we were just talking about getting a fire extinguisher
[21:47:30] <zeeshan> from walmart the otehr night
[21:47:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[21:47:40] <PetefromTn_> I felt so bad for him
[21:47:43] <zeeshan> me too
[21:47:44] <PetefromTn_> He has become a good friend
[21:47:46] <zeeshan> he worked so hard
[21:47:53] <zeeshan> on that stuff
[21:48:09] <Connor_iPad> I hope his insurance covers it.
[21:48:10] <LeelooMinai> Damn, that's brutal...
[21:48:16] <PetefromTn_> last I spoke to him he was trying to get the machines that were not destroyed moved to the hangar.
[21:48:33] <LeelooMinai> I was just talking to mom today about buying a fire extinguisher...
[21:48:37] <PetefromTn_> He said his friend has a small apartment at or near the hangar
[21:48:53] <PetefromTn_> that he stays in when he is down there working on his plane or the VMC etc.
[21:49:16] <PetefromTn_> He is going to stay there while they sort out what to do next
[21:49:30] <PetefromTn_> He seemed REMARKABLY undisturbed by it.
[21:49:31] <Connor_iPad> Wonder what he's going to do about that job he had with the laser.
[21:49:51] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[21:50:01] <zeeshan> i'm really paranoid about burning the garage down
[21:50:13] <Connor_iPad> Probably not hit him yet. I've been through a few house fires. It's not fun.
[21:50:40] <zeeshan> the things that scare my the most
[21:50:43] <zeeshan> are the propane tanks
[21:50:48] <zeeshan> just chilling there
[21:50:52] <zeeshan> next to the oxygen tank
[21:50:54] <PetefromTn_> He is a smart guy tho, he will land on his feet I am confident
[21:51:15] <tjtr33> i used japanese flame sensors, sense ~650nM energy, has to flicker, owned by Azbil, like these used in mines & power plants http://www.azbil.com/products/bi/cp/detail/d12.html
[21:51:31] <PetefromTn_> I offered to run down there and help him but he said he had all the help he needed.
[21:51:36] <tjtr33> the sensor itself is only 15bux or so, cheap insurancem, in series in estop chain
[21:52:34] <PetefromTn_> Whenever I am NOT in the shop I disconnect all power to everything.
[21:52:47] <LeelooMinai> How come only half the house burned down? Did firemen took over at some point?
[21:52:52] <tjtr33> i built pairs for edm machines, pointed fromm corners of tank towards center of work area
[21:52:58] <PetefromTn_> if I am not out there running stuff the entire shop is dead electrically basically.
[21:53:04] <PetefromTn_> Yeah apparently
[21:53:23] <PetefromTn_> he said between the firehoses and his plumbing melting that probably did the most damage.
[21:53:25] * LeelooMinai notes on the paper "Fire extinguisher it is"
[21:54:07] <PetefromTn_> he said fortunately his HNC lathe has some plywood boards on top of the enclosure that shed off the majority of the water so it was saved apparently
[21:54:44] <PetefromTn_> Speaking of I need to text him to see how he is doing...
[21:55:09] <Connor_iPad> Yea. Give him my best.
[21:55:18] <PetefromTn_> Willdo
[21:56:14] <PetefromTn_> somehow he is apparenlty online here probably with his phone I guess or something.
[22:12:26] <_DannyK_> SSI you around today?
[22:19:17] <tjtr33> the flame sensor tubes http://www.hamamatsu.com/jp/en/3007.html
[22:20:24] <_DannyK_> flame detectors of reliable nature? Sounds expensive.
[22:23:28] <tjtr33> used in mines to make sure thers no flame, used in boilers to make sure theres is one, used by honeywell & others, raw sensor <50$
[22:24:54] <_DannyK_> I would only have experience with boilers.... Never seen one. a flame detector is nothing like this little guy though.
[22:24:59] <_DannyK_> looks cool
[22:27:23] <tjtr33> http://www.hamamatsu.com/resources/pdf/etd/UVtron_TPT1021E04.pdf it needs an exciter circuit too but still, at <200$ with drivber and relay dry contact, cheaper than yo cnc machine ( esp laser, plasma, torch, edm )
[22:29:17] <_DannyK_> Good to know they exist,,,,
[22:34:38] <cathode> is it just me or is this incredibly expensive? http://www.ebay.com/itm/POWERTEC-B18CSA1100100000-3HP-640V-DC-1750RPM-182TC-BRUSHLESS-DC-MOTOR-B288621-/291258047302?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d0551b46
[22:34:54] <cathode> also... 640V DC? is that common?
[22:38:02] <_DannyK_> Seems a bit pricey.. Pretty powerful though..
[22:38:17] <_DannyK_> 640dc kinda weird..
[22:39:20] <cathode> ah, here's a 320V BLDC motor that is a lot cheaper, same hp rating. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALDOR-Industrial-Motor-3-HP-4000-RPM-35P927T345-/111029361547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d9dd9b8b
[22:39:26] <cathode> that seems more reasonable
[22:41:11] <tjtr33> the Baldor is 4000rpm, seems likely, the 1st Powertec is 1750, sounds like stock ac motor speed, i wonder if theres some err in the post
[22:41:35] <_DannyK_> I've never dealt with a DC baldor motor, all their AC servo/ line motors are fantastic .Of course IMO.
[22:42:45] <tjtr33> we only used baldor, we needed good low speed control, and brushed dc is good for that, the brushless i never used ( Ft Atkinson Arkansa? big & heavy!)
[22:43:19] <cathode> are there major differences in torque between brushed and brushless dc?
[22:43:36] <cathode> i'm not really familiar with DC drives
[22:43:44] <tjtr33> fort smith
[22:45:24] <_DannyK_> Need some sleep, night.
[22:48:23] <tjtr33> my fire sensors, with free tester ( barbeque lighter :) http://ibin.co/1f8As6rh3yC6
[23:07:53] <Connor_iPad> Ugg. Ordered some wire duct from ebay. China. 6 days later they send me email saying item was returned from post because it was to long. Ask me to buy something else. I tell them to ship it some other method at there expense as listing stated free shipping.
[23:08:17] <cathode> good luck
[23:09:20] <Connor_iPad> Why are they selling it if they can not ship it...
[23:18:23] <somenewguy> brushed torque matches the load, ie the drive increases voltage to drive up current to keep speed constant
[23:18:32] <somenewguy> but you need the load to exist and the system to respond to it
[23:18:59] <somenewguy> bldc is "always creating the same torque" regardless of the forces acting on it, unless the system has feedback and scales back max power
[23:19:32] <somenewguy> basically BLDC is running at max torque at all times, but needs zero feedback so speed is always very well regulated, or compeltly shot, no inbetween
[23:20:14] <somenewguy> brushed needs time to react, which can be basically instantaneous, but it varies, however the motor is not always being pushedfull tilt, ie it only draws the power it needs rather than allways drawing rated current
[23:20:53] <zeeshan> fak
[23:20:56] <zeeshan> i feel so bad for ssi
[23:21:05] <zeeshan> im kinda in shock.
[23:50:14] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, what happened to ssi
[23:59:01] <XXCoder> Dunno it must have scrolled up or it was pms
[23:59:07] <XXCoder> PMs that is