#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-10-24

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[00:00:10] <cathode> and about 20pcs of '80/20' aluminum extrusion
[00:00:15] <cathode> (free)
[00:00:35] <cathode> i want to make more cnc-ish stuff with that later on
[00:00:45] <XXCoder> bahhh
[00:00:52] <XXCoder> I want 80/20 beams but never find anyu
[00:01:02] <XXCoder> I dont live in good place for that stuff lol
[00:01:09] <cathode> XXCoder - don't be too jealous mine are only about 32-48" long
[00:01:31] <XXCoder> that is long enough for cnc I want heh my cnc would be 2'x2'x6 inches basically
[00:01:47] <cathode> here's the mock-up of the bandsaw upper tensioning... https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6ea4htxcrzkm78/2014-10-18%2015.33.18.jpg?dl=0
[00:02:23] <cathode> where do you live?
[00:03:04] <XXCoder> washington state
[00:03:26] <cathode> ahh
[00:03:30] <cathode> i'm in Portland, OR
[00:03:31] <roycroft> what part of washington?
[00:03:37] <roycroft> i live in eugene
[00:03:41] <roycroft> but i used to live in bellingham
[00:03:53] <XXCoder> whats sad is I work at large airplane parts shop but they dont use 80/20 lol
[00:04:03] <XXCoder> tacoma here
[00:04:13] <cathode> heh
[00:04:16] <XXCoder> if I walk west for a bit I'd drown
[00:04:46] <cathode> i'd like to make some digitally controlled tools like a large precision panel saw
[00:05:06] <XXCoder> cnc can be anything really. I saw videos of cnc sewing machine.
[00:05:14] <roycroft> i'm working on a cnc router right now
[00:05:20] <XXCoder> it makes million sewing points for very strong strap
[00:05:23] <roycroft> the bed will be 2'x3'
[00:05:37] <cathode> roycroft - nice. using an off-the-shelf router?
[00:05:51] <XXCoder> nice. my guess is my router working area would be 18"x18"x4"
[00:05:51] <roycroft> i'm primarily going to use it for engraving control panels and the like
[00:05:56] <roycroft> and i'll get a spindle for that
[00:05:57] <XXCoder> that is, if I ever build it!
[00:06:07] <roycroft> but i'll probably mount a porter cable laminate router to it at first
[00:06:18] <roycroft> and i'll certainly use it for wood projects upon occasion
[00:06:30] <cathode> ah
[00:06:30] <roycroft> z will be 8" on mine
[00:06:48] <cathode> i like my Ridgid laminate trimmer... 1.5 HP, it's great
[00:06:53] <roycroft> i hardly ever use my laminate router
[00:07:02] <XXCoder> nice. I was planning to build better router with my lashed together router
[00:07:07] <roycroft> so i might as well pull it out and mount it on the cnc router
[00:07:12] <XXCoder> but been slacking off so far
[00:07:23] <roycroft> i have the ball screws
[00:07:25] <XXCoder> so I dont even have lashed together royter yet
[00:07:32] <roycroft> and i have them measured up
[00:07:39] <roycroft> now it's time to design the rest of the router around them
[00:08:06] <roycroft> well, it was time to do that when i got the ball screws a month ago
[00:08:09] <roycroft> but i've been busy
[00:08:25] <cathode> i gotta find stuff to do with all this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/en0qgt50405aa7s/2014-07-22%2010.15.55.jpg?dl=0
[00:08:46] <cathode> i filled up 3.5 organizers with hardware after i sorted through all the stuff i got for free on CL
[00:09:13] <XXCoder> wow. I just checked my area cl. nothing
[00:09:17] <XXCoder> no beams no cnc
[00:09:21] <cathode> :(
[00:09:23] <XXCoder> well besides phase motor
[00:10:05] <XXCoder> I wonder if 2020 would be strong enough for my cnc
[00:10:11] <XXCoder> because it is pretty cheap
[00:10:20] <cathode> http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/tld/4692220407.html
[00:10:33] <ssi> 20mm metric tslot extrusion?
[00:10:38] <ssi> that's what my laser is built out of
[00:10:39] <ssi> it's flimsy
[00:10:51] <XXCoder> what the heck
[00:11:11] <XXCoder> it dont say what base price is
[00:11:20] <cathode> its "make offer" price... lol
[00:11:41] <cathode> btw XXCoder tacoma is pretty close to gig harbor i think, about an hour and a half maybe? http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/tls/4719996655.html
[00:12:00] <XXCoder> yea dont need that motor lol
[00:12:16] <XXCoder> imange my tiny cnc haling ass with that :P
[00:12:45] <Connor> cathode: What kind of bandsaw is this going to be ?
[00:12:49] <XXCoder> no, I already has all parts just havent done anything
[00:13:00] <cathode> Connor - for cutting wood, possibly metal
[00:13:24] <cathode> my VFD will let me drop the RPM down a bit if i need to cut something like plexiglas
[00:13:47] <XXCoder> I plan to build with wood but 80/20 beams would be awesome.
[00:15:16] <XXCoder> HMM my SBR is 2 foot long longest largest 80/20 I would need would be bit bigger I gues
[00:15:27] <XXCoder> like 2' 4" something
[00:15:49] <cathode> sometimes it's worth checking ebay and filter by distance to less than 200 miles or something
[00:15:58] <XXCoder> not bad idea
[00:16:21] <cathode> if you find someone selling a whole lot of the stuff, often times they have "local pickup only" because they don't know how or don't want to deal with LTL freight shipping
[00:18:19] <XXCoder> good tip
[00:18:34] <XXCoder> its shipping that hurts
[00:18:42] <XXCoder> for example http://www.amazon.com/80-20-Series-T-Slotted-Extrusion/dp/B001F0I3BC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1414126438&sr=8-3&keywords=80%2F20+1010
[00:19:20] <cathode> yep
[00:19:31] <cathode> also anything over 8ft is really expensive to ship
[00:20:09] <XXCoder> wonder if I can just build gantry with 80/20
[00:20:13] <XXCoder> and have wood base
[00:21:47] <cathode> by the way if you order from china... http://www.ebay.com/itm/linear-rail-SBR16-1200mm-4-supporter-rails-8-SBR16UU-blocks-for-CNC-/261002987964?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3cc4fd89bc
[00:22:01] <XXCoder> I already has sbr :)
[00:22:24] <cathode> ah
[00:22:26] <zeeshan> you have 575V? :D
[00:22:26] <XXCoder> I theorically has everything (but bolts)
[00:23:14] <XXCoder> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p320x320/10427235_456337351177840_1505210135140562994_n.png?oh=d1e38b722c5d4f4e0c650125cfc67dfd&oe=54B6AE7C
[00:23:20] <XXCoder> sorry about longass url
[00:23:35] <XXCoder> its my latest design, last updated months ago
[00:24:06] <zeeshan> you guys make me want to build a plasma table!
[00:24:27] <XXCoder> this is older design (looks same but yeah lol) but it shows sizes https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10355837_452434954901413_6426483331751996077_n.png?oh=bdf3fa5c0fc2981c3fd8d6e262404d57&oe=54AF1F3F
[00:24:39] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/cnc.png
[00:24:40] <zeeshan> lol
[00:24:43] <zeeshan> i made this design a long time ago
[00:24:51] <zeeshan> before i went to school
[00:24:58] <zeeshan> notice how small my round bar is
[00:25:02] <zeeshan> 1/4" lol
[00:25:05] <zeeshan> er 1/2"
[00:25:07] <XXCoder> fun
[00:25:10] <XXCoder> creaky fun
[00:25:29] <cathode> lol
[00:25:38] <cathode> oversize all the things!
[00:25:40] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/plasmacutter.png
[00:25:41] <XXCoder> cathode: what ya think of my design lol
[00:25:42] <zeeshan> nah
[00:25:50] <zeeshan> you can calculate the deflection based on the weights pretty easily
[00:25:57] <cathode> XXCoder - you know more about CNC stuff than i do but it looks good
[00:26:21] <XXCoder> bit ironic I know about large machines like hurce vm10 than tiny hobby machines
[00:26:31] <XXCoder> I REALLY wish I can run my own jobs
[00:26:43] <zeeshan> XXCoder: have you see the probotix fireball router?
[00:26:53] <XXCoder> I now run large car sized cnc router now.
[00:27:01] <zeeshan> http://probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
[00:27:07] <zeeshan> i was thinking of making mine like that
[00:27:08] <XXCoder> its fairly crappy for company machine but for my home ut'd be kickass.
[00:27:11] <zeeshan> with those plates at the end
[00:27:18] <zeeshan> and round tube where the plates would sit
[00:27:26] <zeeshan> instead of using all that square tubing
[00:27:39] <XXCoder> well probably easier to order
[00:27:58] <zeeshan> suprisingly those ends are plastic
[00:28:00] <zeeshan> on their machine
[00:28:19] <XXCoder> this is machine I use mostly daily now http://www.haascnc.com/we_spec1.asp?id=GR-510&sizeID=120_150INCH_VMC
[00:28:32] <XXCoder> don't buy it.
[00:28:50] <zeeshan> ofcourse
[00:28:52] <zeeshan> its made by haas
[00:28:53] <zeeshan> =P
[00:29:13] <XXCoder> haas has bad rep?
[00:29:20] <Connor> I like the design of my little guy.. http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/cnc8.jpg
[00:29:23] <XXCoder> company I work at mostly use hurcos
[00:29:25] <zeeshan> i have yet to see one haas machine in a production environment
[00:29:29] <zeeshan> by production
[00:29:32] <zeeshan> i mean repetitive production
[00:29:33] <Connor> 12" x 18" x 4.5"
[00:29:41] <zeeshan> like a factory making the same thing over and over
[00:30:05] <XXCoder> that haas is used to make large airplane parts
[00:30:20] <zeeshan> i've seen mazak, dmg, mori seki, emag,
[00:30:23] <zeeshan> im forgetting one name..
[00:30:24] <XXCoder> it has optional air vaccum stuff (boy does that suck)
[00:30:27] <zeeshan> its starts with a m
[00:30:34] <XXCoder> mastercam? heh jk
[00:30:35] <zeeshan> matsuura
[00:30:39] <cathode> at my workplace we have a Euromac turret punch, because we deal exclusively with sheet goods
[00:30:45] <zeeshan> i meant to say matsuura not mazak
[00:31:02] <XXCoder> Connor: yea thats decent design
[00:31:08] <XXCoder> bet mine'd be worse lol
[00:31:25] <XXCoder> you saw my design
[00:31:34] <Connor> btw, if you thinking of using 80/20 Look at these people.. http://www.misumiusa.com/
[00:31:37] <zeeshan> you guys really like your wood!
[00:31:46] <XXCoder> hey dont touch my wood
[00:32:03] <Connor> zeeshan: Built with a Table saw and a hand drill.. All I'm saying..
[00:32:10] <zeeshan> connor hehe :P
[00:32:21] <zeeshan> theres nothing wrong with wood designs
[00:32:26] <zeeshan> i will just set it on fire with the plasma
[00:32:40] <XXCoder> heh
[00:32:43] <Connor> There is a reason it's a Router and Not a plasma..
[00:33:00] <zeeshan> the main reason i dont like wood is
[00:33:00] <XXCoder> im stuck between hyrid 80/20/wood and just wood
[00:33:03] <zeeshan> its sensitivity to humidity
[00:33:04] <XXCoder> probably go just wood
[00:33:15] <zeeshan> depending on the day, your hole will be in a different position :P
[00:33:42] <XXCoder> actually depend on wood
[00:33:51] <XXCoder> laminated wood isnt that sensive
[00:34:06] <XXCoder> mdf probably not that sensive
[00:34:10] <XXCoder> I dont plan to use mdfg
[00:34:28] <cathode> i hate machining mdf
[00:34:34] <cathode> fine powdery awful dust EVERYWHERE
[00:34:40] <zeeshan> wood doesnt belong in precise applications :P
[00:34:46] <XXCoder> cat just dont start fire
[00:34:50] <Connor> Yup.. Vacuum hooked up.. and wear a mask
[00:34:55] <XXCoder> in case it becomes fuel-air bomb
[00:35:45] <roycroft> my router will be 80/20 and aluminium plate
[00:36:10] <XXCoder> man I really wish theres local source of 80/20
[00:36:21] <zeeshan> automation stores carry it
[00:36:25] <XXCoder> seemly everyone can get em from local areas but me lol
[00:36:32] <roycroft> i don't have a local source
[00:36:34] <Connor> Look at the misumi stuff.. It's way cheaper.. http://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/mech/M1500000000/M1501000000/M1501010000/
[00:36:43] <zeeshan> and last time i checked
[00:36:50] <zeeshan> 80/20 has a pretty bad tolerance
[00:36:52] <zeeshan> over a linear foot
[00:37:05] <zeeshan> again depending on what you want to do with it
[00:37:21] <XXCoder> im fine with .001" tol
[00:37:32] <XXCoder> its not like im making high precision sruff
[00:37:36] <zeeshan> thats straightness prolly
[00:37:40] <zeeshan> but flatness i think was 5 thou
[00:37:51] <Connor> It's not going to make any difference.. You tram it all out and mill down a spoil board using the machine itself.
[00:37:51] <zeeshan> thats why i looked at just getting regular profile
[00:37:53] <zeeshan> and machinig it flat
[00:38:20] <zeeshan> when your screw binds
[00:38:23] <zeeshan> it'll make a difference :P
[00:38:38] <XXCoder> Connor: I tend to refuse to buy from sites that dont display prices before login
[00:39:00] <Connor> XXCoder: It's worth making a login for.. I normally agree.. but, in this case.. it is worth it.
[00:39:24] <roycroft> i normally don't do that, either
[00:39:24] <Connor> 15x15mm 2 Meter long extersion for $7.10
[00:39:27] <XXCoder> lot cheaper than 80/20?
[00:39:37] <XXCoder> a sec
[00:39:37] <roycroft> i can make up email addresses at the drop of a hat though
[00:39:39] <Connor> Yea.. 30-40% cheaper.
[00:39:41] <roycroft> and can delete them even faster
[00:39:45] <zeeshan> roycroft: lol
[00:39:46] <zeeshan> :D
[00:39:46] <roycroft> so i make exceptions
[00:39:48] <XXCoder> half inch
[00:40:07] <XXCoder> well .6" basically
[00:40:09] <Connor> That was what I used for my enclosure on the G0704.
[00:40:23] <ssi> 15mm is VERY flimsy
[00:40:25] <Connor> They have metric profiles.. 15, 20, 40 etc
[00:40:38] <Connor> ssi: Like I said, it was for the frame of the enclsoure.
[00:40:41] <ssi> yeah I know
[00:40:42] <Connor> enclosure.
[00:40:44] <ssi> it's fine for that
[00:40:49] <ssi> but XXCoder is talking about making a machine frame
[00:40:52] <zeeshan> http://www.8020.net/design-tools-26.asp
[00:40:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:40:58] <zeeshan> i'd use those tools..
[00:41:02] <zeeshan> deflection calculator..
[00:41:02] <ssi> I need to go back and replace the legs of my laser with 40x40 double extrusion or something
[00:41:11] <Connor> Right. I was giving him a price of what I had purchased and knew about.
[00:41:18] <zeeshan> ssi gusset it :P
[00:41:19] <XXCoder> well getting late night :)
[00:41:29] <ssi> it's already gusseted
[00:41:31] <XXCoder> zee invent anti-grav
[00:41:32] <zeeshan> pics
[00:41:44] <ssi> not now
[00:41:44] <XXCoder> err ssi I mean lol
[00:41:45] <roycroft> i'm planning on making a stand for my router out of 3"x1/4" square steel tubing
[00:41:54] <XXCoder> anyway night!
[00:41:59] <zeeshan> roycroft: that's what im talking about
[00:42:00] <zeeshan> !!! :D
[00:42:03] <roycroft> and mounting the 80/20 frame right on top of that
[00:42:13] <zeeshan> you know that stuff is expensive though? :/
[00:42:19] <roycroft> i don't think i'll have deflection problems with that
[00:42:19] <roycroft> yes
[00:42:28] <zeeshan> what size router
[00:42:29] <roycroft> making crappy tools is more expensive
[00:42:34] <ssi> eh 3"x3"x1/4" steel is a lot cheaper than 8020
[00:42:37] <roycroft> 2'x3'x8"
[00:42:45] <zeeshan> ssi lies
[00:42:59] <zeeshan> well if youre comparing it with 3x3" 8020
[00:43:02] <zeeshan> yes
[00:43:09] <ssi> I built my plasma table out of 4x2x3/16" and it was maybe $400 for all the steel
[00:43:33] <roycroft> i was thinking about 1.5"x3" 80/20 for the base frame
[00:43:47] <zeeshan> shit gets heavy fast
[00:43:58] <zeeshan> ssi i think 3x3x.25 locally
[00:44:03] <zeeshan> for 1 length (20 foot)
[00:44:04] <roycroft> the 3" steel tubing is going to be pretty damn heavy
[00:44:11] <zeeshan> is easily 300$
[00:44:17] <Connor> 25mm x 25mm x 4000mm $68.00
[00:44:37] <zeeshan> nm
[00:44:40] <zeeshan> 220$
[00:44:46] <ssi> heavy is good
[00:44:50] <roycroft> and i'll need about 1 length of tubing for the base
[00:44:52] <ssi> zeeshan: that's insane
[00:44:56] <roycroft> er, stand
[00:45:01] <ssi> I buy full boat retail from metal supermarket and it's much cheaper than that
[00:45:07] <cathode> depends... for a router table, heavy is good (absorb vibration). for a plasma i dont know that it'd matter much
[00:45:13] <zeeshan> we're talking about .25"!!
[00:45:28] <roycroft> i use 0.120" tubing for most stuff
[00:45:38] <roycroft> but i often wish i had used 0.25" instead
[00:45:55] <ssi> zeeshan: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=10363&step=4&showunits=inches&id=845&top_cat=849
[00:46:09] <ssi> even that place is only $100 for an 8' lenght, and they're absurdly high for that kind of stuff
[00:46:22] <zeeshan> i said 250$ for 20 feet
[00:46:31] <ssi> you said 300
[00:46:32] <ssi> :P
[00:46:34] <ssi> revisionist
[00:46:40] <zeeshan> er 220
[00:46:48] <roycroft> online metals is high retail
[00:46:54] <roycroft> i get my metal locally for less than that
[00:47:02] <ssi> http://www.mcmaster.com/#47065t109/=uaasu8
[00:47:03] <zeeshan> yea its usually 50% of online metals
[00:47:14] <ssi> mcmaster is $100 for 8' of 1.5x3" 8020
[00:47:18] <zeeshan> the one thing i like about square tube
[00:47:24] <zeeshan> or tube in general is you can fill it up with sand
[00:47:32] <zeeshan> and get even more damping
[00:47:34] <roycroft> or granite epoxy
[00:47:41] <zeeshan> me like sand
[00:47:43] <zeeshan> fine sand
[00:47:46] <ssi> granite epoxy would probably be easier to do with C channel
[00:47:54] <zeeshan> the sand particles rub with each other for ultimate damping
[00:47:55] <Connor> Wow. $15.80 for 2 meters of 25mm x 25mm
[00:48:27] <zeeshan> usually people do granite epoxy in non enclosed sections
[00:48:32] <zeeshan> cause it's easier
[00:48:41] <roycroft> well i'm going to be a good engineer and fully design this router before i buy any more components
[00:48:46] <roycroft> and also do a cost estimate
[00:49:06] <zeeshan> roycroft: or you can hax one up like 80% :P
[00:49:07] <roycroft> i built a new brewing system earlier this year without doing the complete design up front and without a budget
[00:49:14] <roycroft> i guestimated it would cost about $4k
[00:49:17] <roycroft> it came in well over $6k
[00:49:24] <Connor> $69.00 for 40mm x 80mm x 2000mm
[00:49:24] <ssi> that's always the way
[00:49:28] <roycroft> i almost fired myself for that
[00:49:34] <roycroft> but instead i made some good beer :)
[00:50:22] <zeeshan> someone take a piece of square tube
[00:50:27] <zeeshan> and stuff it with granite epoxy
[00:50:28] <zeeshan> and one with sand
[00:50:33] <roycroft> i'm actually a really good estimator, when i take the time to do it
[00:50:42] <zeeshan> and bang it with a accelrometer hammer
[00:50:47] <zeeshan> and report back with results!
[00:50:47] <roycroft> that would be an interesting experiment, zeeshan
[00:51:01] <zeeshan> i'm really curious to see the differnce
[00:51:05] <zeeshan> internets isnt coming up with anything
[00:51:14] <zeeshan> ive used sand bags before and tested in a school experiment
[00:51:17] <zeeshan> vs gussets
[00:51:18] <roycroft> that's because there are no cats involved in the experiment
[00:51:27] <zeeshan> haha
[00:51:47] <roycroft> fill a cat with sand
[00:51:54] <roycroft> and fill another cat with granite epoxy
[00:51:58] <roycroft> then conduct the experiment
[00:52:10] <zeeshan> hahaha
[00:52:29] <roycroft> you will own the internet for 15 minutes
[00:54:14] <zeeshan> i remember when i was designing the round rails
[00:54:24] <zeeshan> i was suprised at how much 1/2" round bar deflects
[00:54:32] <zeeshan> under 100lb of load if you load it right at the center
[00:54:41] <zeeshan> of a 36" simply supported span
[00:54:48] <zeeshan> its a floppy noodle
[00:56:45] <roycroft> angle would deflect a lot less
[00:56:55] <roycroft> and square tubing is two pieces of angle
[00:59:59] <zeeshan> deflection_max = Pl^3 / (48EI ) = (100*36^3)/(48*30e6*(pi/64)*(0.5)^4) = 1.06 in
[01:00:00] <zeeshan> hm
[01:00:02] <zeeshan> something seems off :P
[01:00:19] <zeeshan> 100lb, steel, round bar .5"
[01:00:43] <zeeshan> okay i guess its right
[01:00:46] <zeeshan> it deflects 1.06"
[01:00:56] <zeeshan> 1" round bar deflects 0.066"
[01:01:12] <zeeshan> 2" bar deflects 0.004"
[01:01:14] <zeeshan> hmm
[01:01:23] <zeeshan> i dont believe these numbers :p
[01:04:14] <roycroft> so, using 1530, at 36" length fixed at both ends, a 35lb load in the center will deflect 0.0005"
[01:04:17] <roycroft> that's not bad
[01:05:01] <roycroft> a 100lb load would only deflect 0.0014"
[01:05:09] <zeeshan> where is my formula wrong
[01:05:23] <zeeshan> 1" is way too much
[01:05:32] <roycroft> that seems a bit much
[01:32:07] <zeeshan> delicious food
[01:32:07] <zeeshan> :D
[01:32:18] <archivist> breakfast time
[01:32:30] <zeeshan> im having a late night dinner
[01:32:31] <zeeshan> some chicken :)
[01:32:35] <zeeshan> roycroft: i recalculated
[01:32:41] <zeeshan> im pretty sure its 1" deflection
[01:32:42] <zeeshan> lol
[01:33:03] <zeeshan> at least based on the formula!
[01:33:38] <ssi> ok time to spend all my money at enco
[01:33:39] <ssi> what should I get
[01:33:47] <zeeshan> you shouldnt get anything
[01:33:50] <zeeshan> buy me something
[01:33:50] <zeeshan> :)
[01:33:51] <archivist> one of each
[01:33:55] <ssi> I need an angle plate
[01:34:10] <zeeshan> ssi you dont have a local market?
[01:34:15] <zeeshan> to buy used machinist stuff?
[01:34:16] <archivist> of the entire catalogue
[01:34:21] <ssi> not that I'm aware of
[01:34:36] <ssi> we don't really have an entrenched machinist industry here
[01:34:40] <archivist> I get angle plates off fleabay
[01:34:42] <ssi> not like the northeast or midwest
[01:34:47] <zeeshan> archivist: i got my two plates
[01:34:49] <zeeshan> from the tool haul!
[01:34:50] <zeeshan> :D
[01:34:57] <zeeshan> theyre made in usa!
[01:35:06] <zeeshan> olne is
[01:35:08] <zeeshan> the other is made in canada
[01:35:13] <archivist> I got one from a secondhand machine tool dealer
[01:35:18] <ssi> ugh nobody wants stuff made in canad
[01:35:24] <zeeshan> yea yea
[01:35:27] <ssi> :)
[01:35:28] <zeeshan> thats why you're using the canadaarm
[01:35:31] <zeeshan> gotcha!
[01:35:55] <ssi> I'm not using it
[01:36:11] <zeeshan> archivist: do you have baby v-blocks?
[01:36:16] <zeeshan> all my damn v-blocks are meant for 1" to 3" round
[01:36:26] <zeeshan> i dont have a single one that can hold .5" round
[01:36:27] <zeeshan> or smaller
[01:36:33] <archivist> I have a small pair
[01:37:01] <zeeshan> i saw some taft pierce v-blocks show up
[01:37:02] <ssi> you shouldn't admit that
[01:37:09] <zeeshan> they were gone in like 1hour of the posting
[01:37:10] <zeeshan> such bs
[01:39:13] <zeeshan> archivist: have you seen the patek philippe watch making video
[01:39:18] <zeeshan> for the 2.5 million dollar watches?
[01:39:22] <zeeshan> that they made like 7 of
[01:39:54] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGPjFFMD3c0
[01:39:55] <zeeshan> that one
[01:40:11] <zeeshan> i noticed a lot of tools in there
[01:40:12] <zeeshan> that you have :)
[01:40:33] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Engineers-Vee-Blocks-Clamp-Set-V-Block-Matched-Pair-/271569989343
[01:41:16] <zeeshan> hm
[01:41:18] <zeeshan> i need something like that
[01:45:16] <guerillaengineer> Ooh
[01:47:03] <guerillaengineer> Anyone here?
[01:48:26] <zeeshan> no
[01:48:36] <guerillaengineer> GOOD
[01:53:57] <guerillaengineer> I'm just messing, what's up?
[01:56:33] <ssi> ok I managed to burn up a whole 24x36" sheet of acrylic
[01:56:36] <ssi> moving on to silicone
[01:56:47] <ssi> made about 750 caps, I can get 1000 gaskets out of the silicone I have on hand
[01:57:26] <guerillaengineer> What was your relative RPM set at?
[01:58:04] <guerillaengineer> Oh crap, were you speaking of a laser cutter? I thought you meant you ruined an entire sheet.
[01:58:10] <ssi> yeah, laser
[01:58:19] <ssi> didn't ruin anything
[01:58:30] <ssi> amazing for me, I know
[01:58:30] <guerillaengineer> Geez, what's your wattage for the laserhead?
[01:58:52] <ssi> 120W max, but I'm only running about 50W for the acrylic and 20W for the silicone
[01:59:47] <guerillaengineer> That's nice, so you're slicing like 1/4inch?
[02:00:17] <ssi> yep
[02:00:26] <guerillaengineer> Pimpin', sir.
[02:01:29] <ssi> I have a long way to go :P
[02:01:41] <ssi> ~5000 parts this weekend, and another 20,000 in the weeks to follow
[02:02:00] <guerillaengineer> Holy christ, someone's busy.
[02:02:36] <ssi> heh yeeah
[02:03:43] <guerillaengineer> Question: Are you cutting seals and then slicing the excess for the gaskets? My brother used to do that and just sell the smaller sizings at a discounted rate.
[02:04:07] <ssi> nah these gaskets are about the same dimensions as the cap, and no waste
[02:04:20] <guerillaengineer> That's even better.
[02:04:34] <ssi> there's almost no waste in this project... love it
[02:04:44] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0rVVuWIAAErD-P.jpg:large
[02:05:15] <guerillaengineer> *whistles* That is so efficient.
[02:05:36] <ssi> .007" kerf, and the kerfs overlap
[02:06:09] <ssi> I'm getting 750 parts from a 24x36" sheet of acrylic
[02:06:26] <guerillaengineer> That's impressive modeling, have you been in the fabrication business long?
[02:06:52] <ssi> it's not really my primary line of work, but I've done side work in fabrication for about a decade
[02:07:18] <guerillaengineer> It's good to have a hobby, even better when it's steady money!
[02:08:12] <ssi> agreed
[02:08:28] <ssi> this job'll pay for the laser cutter almost three times over
[02:09:26] <guerillaengineer> Woah. That's why I'm getting into cnc/laser/3d building. Haha, I'm driving myself mad with my first build currently.
[02:09:34] <ssi> what are you working on?
[02:10:05] <guerillaengineer> A wooden 3-axis shitbuild
[02:10:12] <zeeshan> har har har
[02:10:13] <ssi> hahah
[02:10:21] <ssi> gotta start somewhere :)
[02:10:36] <ssi> there's a lot of bootstrapping in this hobby
[02:10:50] <ssi> and you'll find yourself going down the rabbit hole of building tools to help you build tools
[02:11:15] <guerillaengineer> That's what got me here! I do a lot of pcb fabbing, along with "hand" engineering.
[02:11:31] <guerillaengineer> But Muscular Dystrophy ruined my hand, so I thought "robots".
[02:11:45] <ssi> I'm sorry to hear that
[02:12:26] <guerillaengineer> Gracias. I am a biomed engineering major. I plan on fixing it one day.
[02:12:49] <Jymmm> guerillaengineer: the $399 Man? doens't have the same ing as "The Billion Dollar Man" =)
[02:12:50] <ssi> seems like a worthwhile goal
[02:12:56] <Jymmm> ring*
[02:13:20] <guerillaengineer> Haha! No, this is only to replace being able to fabricate by hand.
[02:13:31] <guerillaengineer> It helps to not heat-transfer pcbs
[02:13:36] <Jymmm> by, my, one one letter off =)
[02:14:21] <Jymmm> heh, and only keys apart =)
[02:14:40] <guerillaengineer> I don't really understand that joke? I lack proficiency in the "latin" languages.
[02:15:16] <Jymmm> to fabricate BY hand. -- to fabricate MY hand.
[02:15:30] <guerillaengineer> Ohmygodthatshilarious
[02:15:41] <guerillaengineer> that makes so much sense now
[02:15:51] <guerillaengineer> I'm not being sarcastic, I promise.
[02:15:56] <Jymmm> and if you look on the keyboard, B and M are almost next to eath other
[02:16:04] <Jymmm> =)
[02:16:45] <Jymmm> Plausable denability for your secret bionic hand making operations =)
[02:17:00] <Jymmm> "it was a typo, yeah, that's it, a typo"
[02:17:12] <guerillaengineer> *cough cough* exactly
[02:17:23] <guerillaengineer> Although, bionic grasshopper feet will be cool.
[02:17:37] <Jymmm> kangaroo feet and tail
[02:17:58] <guerillaengineer> I'd kill myself!
[02:18:36] <Jymmm> just be lucky your not venomus =)
[02:18:59] <Jymmm> "You'll shoot your eye out kid"
[02:19:56] <guerillaengineer> You're one of those funny people I've heard about on the radio
[02:20:51] <Jymmm> Nah, I'd just rather be a smartass than a dumbass.
[02:21:14] <ssi> it's good to have goals
[02:21:16] <guerillaengineer> I feel you, there.
[02:22:16] <guerillaengineer> Well, I need to go scour over what the hell I need to drive these accursed stepper motors, maybe just throw it against a wall. Y'all have a good one.
[02:24:49] <Deejay__> moin
[02:25:11] <ssi> lol
[02:25:16] <Jymmm> howdy Deejay__
[02:25:22] <ssi> guerillaengineer: feel free to ask if you need help with it; we've got some experience with that mess :)
[02:25:23] <Deejay__> hi Jymmm :)
[02:29:03] <guerillaengineer> It's kind of just one thing, actually. I bought some 70.2oz-in NEMA 17's, but fabricated the drivers (dual h-bridge, shoot me for thinking that's good for anything other than a tiny laser plotter beforehand. Now I'm stuck with drivers that only supply 800mA cont.
[02:29:20] <ssi> heh I know the feeling
[02:29:49] <guerillaengineer> I have a massive ignorance for typical circuits in terms of power needs, I mostly make devices to test chemical reactions.
[02:31:11] <guerillaengineer> I mean, I plan on hitting >20,000 rpm with my cutting tool, so I think 70.2oz-in isn't too bad for softwoods.
[02:31:35] <ssi> you can do a lot with 70ozin if you don't want to go super fast
[02:31:46] <zeeshan> you all need to sleep
[02:31:55] <ssi> zeeshan: I'm making money! what's your excuse
[02:32:11] <zeeshan> studying this retardedly hard math for the exam on wednesday
[02:32:13] <zeeshan> this prof is.. ugh
[02:32:18] <zeeshan> he talks about this stuff casually
[02:32:19] <zeeshan> doesnt teach it
[02:33:01] <archivist> often they dont know it themselves
[02:33:08] <zeeshan> he does
[02:33:13] <zeeshan> he just sucks at teaching
[02:33:21] <zeeshan> its a graduate course, and its his speciality
[02:33:24] <zeeshan> so he better know it
[02:33:29] <guerillaengineer> I built a ballistics-style soundproof enclosure especially for this machine. @zeeshan I feel you, my bio-chem reactions prof is a very lazy guy.
[02:33:31] <zeeshan> he's been able to answer any question i ask him
[02:34:02] <zeeshan> he told us
[02:34:09] <zeeshan> in the 3 hours we have for the test, we will not be finishing it
[02:34:19] <zeeshan> the test would take us 9 hours to finish if we knew what we were doing
[02:34:27] <guerillaengineer> Wow
[02:34:28] <zeeshan> so WHAT is the point of asking that many questions?!?!?!
[02:34:41] <zeeshan> he told us, he wants to see who can finish the most
[02:34:45] <zeeshan> and grade them accordingly.
[02:34:45] <archivist> see if you know the methods
[02:35:10] <guerillaengineer> Tell him to be like a plotting machine, go too fast and you miss STEPS
[02:35:22] <zeeshan> dude if i had my computer
[02:35:23] <zeeshan> and matlab
[02:35:25] <guerillaengineer> I humor myself.
[02:35:28] <zeeshan> i could answer some of these questions really fast
[02:35:36] <zeeshan> but don't expect me to reduce a 16x16 matrix
[02:35:40] <zeeshan> in less than an hour
[02:35:42] <zeeshan> it takes a while.
[02:35:52] <guerillaengineer> What is the course?
[02:36:21] <zeeshan> "advanced structural mechanics"
[02:36:54] <zeeshan> basically its an extension of undergrad w/ some more advanced concepts
[02:37:01] <guerillaengineer> for DFI data structures?
[02:37:10] <zeeshan> like when doing torsion, in undergrad you stop at tau = tr / j
[02:37:36] <zeeshan> in this coarse you talk about st venants torision (pure torsion)
[02:37:44] <zeeshan> which is unrestrained torsion
[02:37:48] <archivist> compression buckling of long thin stuff was timishenko iirc
[02:38:12] <guerillaengineer> Is... is that funny?
[02:38:14] <zeeshan> archivist: depends on the ratio of height to width
[02:38:19] <zeeshan> theres like 4 different theories
[02:38:35] <archivist> but wasnt he one of the first in that area
[02:38:35] <zeeshan> i haven't looked at it from theory of elasticity method
[02:38:53] <zeeshan> timshenko's methods are usually fron a boundary value perspective
[02:38:54] <guerillaengineer> Vlasov, yo.
[02:38:59] <zeeshan> he identies the boundary conditions
[02:39:07] <zeeshan> and identifies a partial differential equation that relates the system
[02:39:16] <zeeshan> so his solutions are way more accurate than using simple mechanics
[02:39:35] <zeeshan> so in undergrad we find out torsional stress = T * R / J
[02:39:41] <zeeshan> but in this course, he extends it to warping
[02:39:53] <zeeshan> basically if you roll up a piece of paper, and you torque it after
[02:39:57] <guerillaengineer> So you already learned shear stresses, right?
[02:39:58] <zeeshan> you'll not only that it develops shear
[02:40:14] <guerillaengineer> Ha, got my answer.
[02:40:18] <zeeshan> but the ends of the paper go in and out axially
[02:40:23] <archivist> I was working out a roll bend, then I noticed the simple mechanics are wrong, simple arc!
[02:40:45] <zeeshan> simple mechanics won't deal with plasticity too often
[02:41:03] <zeeshan> most of the theories assume linear relationship betwen stress and strain (hookes law)
[02:41:04] <archivist> this was in the elastic region
[02:41:07] <zeeshan> o
[02:41:22] <zeeshan> there is a lot of assumptions, gotta be careful
[02:41:30] <archivist> verily
[02:41:36] <zeeshan> like take a simple example
[02:41:39] <zeeshan> you have a hole in a plate..
[02:41:44] <zeeshan> and you stretch it axially
[02:41:54] <zeeshan> if you try to use simple mechanics to solve the problem near the hole
[02:41:57] <zeeshan> you'll get a completely wrong answer
[02:42:04] <zeeshan> but itll be valid far away from the hole
[02:42:26] <zeeshan> so they bring in fudge factors like stress concentration factor of hole
[02:42:38] <zeeshan> which has been found from theory of elasticity (timenshenko)
[02:42:42] <zeeshan> or FEA
[02:42:50] <zeeshan> or experiment :P
[02:43:03] <zeeshan> i hate this class because of how fast he goes
[02:43:06] <zeeshan> and how little he teaches
[02:43:32] <guerillaengineer> I can see it, man. That would be hell.
[02:44:32] <zeeshan> archivist: i dont know if you know this
[02:44:38] <zeeshan> but in 99% of undergrad
[02:44:45] <zeeshan> we dealt with isotropic materials only
[02:45:11] <guerillaengineer> ssi: You still around?
[02:45:14] <ssi> yep
[02:45:19] <zeeshan> okay enough talking about this
[02:45:42] <guerillaengineer> I was wondering if you could solve a hella problem for me? You seem to be quite adept in this field.
[02:46:40] <ssi> well I dunno
[02:47:05] <ssi> lay it on me
[02:47:11] <archivist> just ask there a plenty to reply at certain times of the day
[02:47:49] <guerillaengineer> I cannot find a driver/breakboard/controller/power supply setup that doesn't break my bank
[02:48:01] <guerillaengineer> I've been researching for 17 straight hours
[02:48:17] <ssi> really kinda depends on your goals and budget
[02:48:17] <zeeshan> just get those cheapo ebay one
[02:48:40] <guerillaengineer> I did, the hg7881 (l9110s)
[02:48:40] <ssi> zeeshan knows what I'll recommend :P
[02:48:40] <ssi> but it's probably more money than you'd want to spend
[02:48:41] <guerillaengineer> but it is so underpowered
[02:48:41] <zeeshan> ssi is an amc lover
[02:48:43] <zeeshan> :-)
[02:48:44] <ssi> no, not for this
[02:48:52] <zeeshan> oh keling drives
[02:48:54] <ssi> leadshine drives, mesa for everything else
[02:48:57] <ssi> yea keling/leadshine
[02:48:59] <ssi> same thing
[02:49:13] <zeeshan> honestly if i'd go back
[02:49:17] <zeeshan> i'd prolly do mesa on the lathe too
[02:49:24] <zeeshan> i might in the future
[02:49:28] <zeeshan> when i throw a tool changer on it
[02:49:30] <zeeshan> if i ever decide to
[02:49:42] <zeeshan> the kit looks simple enough to install
[02:49:48] <ssi> it's worth it
[02:50:02] <zeeshan> ssi
[02:50:07] <zeeshan> why do you think i cant get more than 150 iupm
[02:50:10] <zeeshan> without losing steps?
[02:50:17] <zeeshan> with the 1200oz-in motors
[02:50:24] <guerillaengineer> Ah, I've seen these. It's just that outside of having the stepper motors I only have like 100 bucks (I plan on allocating a serial-setup PC PS for a power supply, probably
[02:50:26] <ssi> big motors are slow
[02:50:41] <zeeshan> okay so its not a hardware limit
[02:50:41] <ssi> maybe insufficient voltage
[02:50:43] <zeeshan> it is a stepper limit
[02:50:47] <zeeshan> im giving them 65VDC
[02:50:48] <ssi> might be a hardware limit
[02:50:53] <ssi> there's no way for me to know :)
[02:51:09] <archivist> guerillaengineer, serial? er no
[02:51:11] <zeeshan> its not a hardware limit
[02:51:16] <zeeshan> cause the x drive is 3:1
[02:51:19] <zeeshan> while z is 1:!
[02:51:24] <guerillaengineer> I meant parallel, I am so burned out
[02:51:26] <zeeshan> i can push z to 150ipm
[02:51:30] <zeeshan> but i cant push x more than 100 ipm
[02:51:44] <zeeshan> 125 ipm, it loses steps
[02:51:47] <ssi> that means you're running x twice as fast
[02:51:56] <zeeshan> 3x
[02:52:07] <ssi> same pitch screws?
[02:52:11] <zeeshan> so its being able to generate the frequency
[02:52:11] <zeeshan> yes
[02:52:15] <ssi> twice as fast
[02:52:23] <zeeshan> 3:1 ratio??
[02:52:23] <ssi> if x were 1:1, you'd be getting 300ipm
[02:52:29] <ssi> which is twice as fast as 150ipm
[02:53:14] <ssi> besides, nobody needs that kind of speed
[02:53:17] <zeeshan> makes sense
[02:53:27] <ssi> keep it under 100ipm, whippersnapper
[02:53:28] <ssi> get off my lawn
[02:53:28] <zeeshan> :)
[02:53:31] <zeeshan> i'd like 200 ipm
[02:53:44] <ssi> I'm cutting at 100ipm right now
[02:53:48] <ssi> with 900ipm rapids
[02:53:50] <zeeshan> :D
[02:53:51] <ssi> and it's still too slow :(
[02:54:11] <zeeshan> i dont know this
[02:54:11] <ssi> the gaskets look like they'll be about 1:15 for 500 parts
[02:54:14] <zeeshan> but does a laser cutter need thc
[02:54:18] <ssi> no
[02:54:38] <ssi> I mean, if it had some way to maintain very accurate focus height that would be cool, but most don't
[02:54:49] <ssi> most in the class of my machine anyway
[02:54:54] <ssi> big metal lasers might do something like that
[02:55:00] <ssi> cause they likely have similar issues to plasma
[02:55:07] <zeeshan> im trying to remember the one at eaton
[02:55:10] <ssi> but the mechanism would have to be different
[02:55:11] <zeeshan> i vaguely remember something about focus
[02:55:13] <zeeshan> based on sheet size
[02:55:18] <ssi> plasma thc works by sensing arc voltage
[02:55:21] <guerillaengineer> Hold up, I can hook up this 75w carbon laser system to a cnc body. Holy crap, I am retarted.
[02:55:54] <zeeshan> ssi: how expensive are 1MW laser heads
[02:55:57] <ssi> guerillaengineer: I built my laser based on a $300 shapeoko kit for motion and some nema17 steppers :P
[02:56:26] <guerillaengineer> Really? The one in the picture?
[02:56:31] <ssi> guerillaengineer: yeah heheh
[02:56:38] <ssi> zeeshan: I'm not aware of any that big
[02:56:43] <guerillaengineer> Impressive!
[02:56:46] <ssi> zeeshan: industrial lasers are on the order of 5KW
[02:56:54] <zeeshan> i meant 1KW
[02:57:00] <zeeshan> too much math for the night
[02:57:25] <zeeshan> i dont see any on ebay :P
[02:57:41] <ssi> yea I dunno
[02:57:43] <ssi> they're not cheap
[02:58:19] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-FL3015-Panasonic-4kw-CO2-Laser-Cutting-System-1189-/131317381287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e932038a7
[02:58:23] <guerillaengineer> I could build a 1KW carbon for around four grand
[02:58:31] <zeeshan> haha
[02:58:37] <zeeshan> thats a bit expensive :P
[02:58:46] <ssi> guerillaengineer: straight line, or folded?
[02:58:49] <ssi> DC or RF?
[02:59:33] <ssi> is your 75W co2 laser homebuilt?
[02:59:35] <guerillaengineer> folded, but it'd be easier to craft a YAG
[02:59:44] <ssi> YAG fiber laser would be nice to have
[02:59:46] <guerillaengineer> Yeah, optics are my pasttime
[02:59:50] <ssi> nice
[02:59:53] <ssi> what part of the world are you in?
[02:59:57] <guerillaengineer> Texas
[03:00:02] <ssi> fantastic
[03:00:22] <zeeshan> guerillaengineer: whats the most expensive part
[03:00:24] <zeeshan> in the 1kW laser
[03:00:34] <ssi> the glasswork probably
[03:00:38] <ssi> or the HR/OC mirrors
[03:00:45] <ssi> CO2 lasers are simple
[03:01:01] <ssi> a 1kw co2 tube would be enormous though if it were straight line
[03:01:20] <zeeshan> whats enormous
[03:01:27] <zeeshan> couple of feet? :p
[03:01:29] <ssi> dozens of feet long?
[03:01:32] <ssi> I dunno
[03:01:33] <zeeshan> haha
[03:01:35] <ssi> guerillaengineer might know :)
[03:01:35] <guerillaengineer> Well, ssi is correct on the glasswork. It's be about 7 feet long!
[03:01:39] <ssi> only 7?
[03:01:44] <ssi> my 120W tube is 5' long
[03:01:47] <zeeshan> could you not redirect it?
[03:01:51] <zeeshan> using mirrors
[03:01:53] <ssi> yeah that'd be folded
[03:01:58] <guerillaengineer> If you had correct diodes array
[03:02:15] <zeeshan> correct me if im wrong
[03:02:19] <zeeshan> but you have a tube filled with co2
[03:02:21] <guerillaengineer> I am building a cnc to cover my arrays and mirroring
[03:02:24] <zeeshan> you shoot some electrons at it
[03:02:32] <zeeshan> and it releases photons?
[03:02:39] <ssi> close
[03:02:49] <guerillaengineer> Because of the composite charge of the gas itself
[03:02:51] <ssi> put high voltage across it and it ionizes like a neon sign
[03:02:53] <zeeshan> i have 4 xray heads
[03:02:56] <zeeshan> from my dads dental practice
[03:03:01] <ssi> and it excites the co2 up a couple energy states
[03:03:06] <ssi> and when it comes back down it releases photons
[03:03:25] <zeeshan> what makes the laser tube so long
[03:03:28] <zeeshan> like 7 feet
[03:03:35] <ssi> it's a resonator
[03:04:03] <ssi> it's like if you want more output from a subwoofer, you need a bigger box
[03:04:04] <ssi> :)
[03:04:25] <guerillaengineer> You don't want to put that much power through a short housing without a VERY-high concentration with some magical shielding gas that doesn't exist yet
[03:04:26] <zeeshan> can you buy 10 of the tubes you have
[03:04:33] <zeeshan> put em in series
[03:04:36] <zeeshan> and get 1kW? :D
[03:04:43] <guerillaengineer> It'd blow like crazy
[03:04:47] <ssi> yeah if you can put the optics together to combine them
[03:05:01] <zeeshan> good to know!
[03:05:05] <guerillaengineer> That's actually a cool idea
[03:05:24] <guerillaengineer> Prepare for your workshop to look like a particle accelerator, though
[03:05:30] <zeeshan> lol
[03:05:35] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwplQ4aIYAE0nCc.jpg:large
[03:05:39] <ssi> the little tube is my original 40W
[03:05:42] <zeeshan> ive been thinking about doing something with my dad's xray tubes
[03:05:42] <ssi> the big one is the 100W RECI
[03:05:56] <zeeshan> ah
[03:05:57] <ssi> that sheet of plywood is 24x48
[03:06:02] <guerillaengineer> Nice!
[03:06:04] <zeeshan> thats some nice glass work
[03:06:09] <zeeshan> chinese made right?
[03:06:11] <ssi> yeah
[03:06:14] <zeeshan> really nice
[03:07:05] <guerillaengineer> So, is there any setup for less than $100 for me?
[03:07:12] <zeeshan> guerillaengineer: no
[03:07:16] <zeeshan> you need to rob some printers
[03:07:29] <guerillaengineer> Because y'all got me excited to do some mirroring.
[03:07:35] <guerillaengineer> Printers? for their drivers?
[03:09:06] <zeeshan> for the steppers
[03:09:26] <guerillaengineer> Oh, I have stepper motors already
[03:09:35] <zeeshan> what size
[03:09:46] <guerillaengineer> 17's 70.2oz-in
[03:09:54] <zeeshan> http://www.probotix.com/stepper_motor_drivers/
[03:09:56] <guerillaengineer> I'm just going to go sloooow and fast with the rpms
[03:09:59] <zeeshan> maybe you can use that 40 dollar driver
[03:10:26] <zeeshan> shrug :P
[03:10:27] <guerillaengineer> WillI need three of them? Because I like the idea of a chopper
[03:11:06] <guerillaengineer> Like, I have 3xL911s drivers, but they put out ameasly 80mA
[03:11:54] <zeeshan> ill bbl, cu later!
[03:13:24] <guerillaengineer> ssi Might I inquire upon your setup?
[03:13:57] <ssi> zeeshan: wait
[03:14:14] <ssi> guerillaengineer: sure, ask away
[03:14:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0skzXwIAAE-LW0.jpg:large
[03:14:33] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0smS-AIIAAa6Pn.jpg:large
[03:14:43] <ssi> haha here's the drop from that job: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0smYN8IQAAoOMv.jpg:large
[03:15:09] <guerillaengineer> Wow!
[03:15:18] <guerillaengineer> That is so efficient it's crazy
[03:15:39] <guerillaengineer> How much are you making on that job?
[03:15:42] <ssi> I could have gotten them closer but I didn't want them to blow into the beam path
[03:15:52] <ssi> 85c per cap and 40c per gasket
[03:15:57] <ssi> materials are about 10% of that
[03:16:06] <guerillaengineer> *mind blown*
[03:16:34] <guerillaengineer> I just meant like, the entirety of the electronics. I apologise if I am being intrusive.
[03:16:51] <ssi> mesa 7i76 plug'n'go kit
[03:17:02] <ssi> keling 5056D drives
[03:17:14] <guerillaengineer> Was it very expensive?
[03:17:29] <ssi> the mesa kit is like $209
[03:17:45] <guerillaengineer> Well, that's an arrow through my heart
[03:17:47] <ssi> takes care of your breakout, gives you TONS of IO, and hardware step generation
[03:18:04] <ssi> drives are more expensive than I'd like, I think they're about $80 apiece
[03:18:07] <ssi> three of them in this machine
[03:18:14] <ssi> it's a two axis machine, but the gantry has two motors and two drives
[03:18:26] <ssi> meanwell 48V switching supply
[03:18:39] <ssi> some cheapy chinese relay boards off ebay
[03:18:51] <ssi> optics are cheap ebay laser optics
[03:18:58] <ssi> mirror mount mounts are 3d printed, tube mounts are 3d printed
[03:19:04] <ssi> frame is made of 20mm tslot extrusion
[03:19:10] <guerillaengineer> That's radical
[03:19:21] <ssi> gussets and other connectors are all aluminum .063" sheet cut on my plasma table
[03:19:35] <guerillaengineer> Do you have like your own company?
[03:19:40] <ssi> sorta
[03:19:45] <ssi> but it's really mostly hobby
[03:19:56] <ssi> although I'm working on making it more profitable :)
[03:20:02] <ssi> I just bought a VMC I'm in the middle of retrofitting
[03:20:04] <guerillaengineer> You're on your way.
[03:20:30] <ssi> laser tube and power supply were about $1500
[03:20:43] <ssi> but it sounds like you've got that covered
[03:20:59] <ssi> but I dunno... I can't buy a weeks groceries for $100, let alone build a CNC machine
[03:21:33] <guerillaengineer> Well I have building materials already, I'm just looking to hook my stepper motors to my arduino, beaglebone, or pi
[03:21:40] <ssi> btw my motors are 62ozin
[03:21:41] <ssi> these
[03:21:42] <ssi> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-17/nema17-stepper-motor
[03:21:49] <ssi> on the laser
[03:22:03] <guerillaengineer> Wow, so cheap
[03:22:25] <ssi> if you went 36V, you could get these:
[03:22:25] <ssi> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/kl-stepper-drivers/kl-4030-24-40vdc-3-0a-microstepping-driver
[03:22:28] <ssi> still more money than you want to spend
[03:22:34] <ssi> but life's too short to screw with crappy stepper drives
[03:23:00] <guerillaengineer> Let me do some calcs really quick
[03:23:24] <ssi> I prefer at least 48V for stepper systems myself, which is why I got the 5056D drives
[03:23:34] <guerillaengineer> for some reason, when I square 4.8v by 32 I get 70V max
[03:23:35] <ssi> plus the digital ones are nice for resonance reduction and current reduction
[03:24:03] <ssi> should be squaring the inductance in H
[03:24:10] <guerillaengineer> I did
[03:24:19] <guerillaengineer> 32xsqrt(4.8)
[03:24:41] <guerillaengineer> I suck at anything but matlab when it comes to typing formulas, sorry.
[03:24:52] <ssi> your motors are 4.8mH?
[03:25:12] <guerillaengineer> They are Kysan 1124090's
[03:25:32] <guerillaengineer> http://www.amazon.com/Kysan-1124090-NEMA17-Stepper-Motor/dp/B00IEVE4MC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414137961&sr=8-1&keywords=kysan+1124090
[03:26:17] <ssi> I get 31.6V
[03:26:29] <ssi> 1000 * sqrt(0.0048H)
[03:26:50] <guerillaengineer> Woah, i've never seen that formula
[03:26:57] <ssi> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Formulas
[03:27:00] <ssi> that's what I've always used
[03:27:24] <guerillaengineer> someone told me 32xsqrt(mH)
[03:27:30] <gonzo_> on ebay the 7 odd amp 80V drivers are only around £40
[03:27:47] <ssi> gonzo_: the leadshine ones?
[03:28:03] <gonzo_> not sure of the make
[03:29:27] <ssi> guerillaengineer: you could take a 24VAC transformer, rectify and filter it and make a nice ~32VDC unregulated supply
[03:29:37] <ssi> use that to feed those KL4030 drives, and have a nice matched setup for those motors
[03:29:56] <guerillaengineer> I'll go pick up a UPS tomor-today
[03:30:07] <guerillaengineer> I love the transformers in those.
[03:30:13] <ssi> neat idea
[03:30:53] <guerillaengineer> Those kl4030s, I'll need one for each motor, wont I?
[03:30:57] <ssi> yeah
[03:31:05] <ssi> you MIGHT could get away with one for the gantry
[03:31:08] <guerillaengineer> Yeesh
[03:31:15] <ssi> assuming you're trying to build a laser
[03:31:32] <gonzo_> I have some ebay 261421509107 ones. Thoiugh they were £39 each when I brought mine
[03:31:34] <ssi> yeah that'd probably work fine actually
[03:31:38] <ssi> your motors are 1.5A
[03:31:43] <ssi> you could wire both in parallel on one drive
[03:31:45] <ssi> they're 4A drives
[03:31:54] <guerillaengineer> That's the thing, i'm building a crappy proto so I can mill better parts for a better cnc, which I will use to create my lasers
[03:32:07] <guerillaengineer> Oh, that's awesome
[03:32:19] <ssi> yea, but that won't work for a 3axis machine
[03:32:24] <ssi> you'll need three drives
[03:32:39] <guerillaengineer> I'm writing that down for when i do a laser plotter
[03:32:55] <ssi> it's not my favorite way to do things
[03:32:58] <ssi> but it's feasible
[03:33:13] <ssi> bear in mind you can't do anything independent with the gantry motors if you go that route
[03:33:16] <ssi> like independent homing
[03:33:24] <ssi> but apparently I'm the only person in the world who wants that anyway :)
[03:34:15] <guerillaengineer> Independant homing? For moving Y1 and Y2 (assuming Y1 and Y2 are the ends of the Y-axis) seperately for better tracking?
[03:34:46] <ssi> they move together during normal operation, but when the axes home, they move at the same time but find separate home switches and have separate offsets
[03:34:55] <guerillaengineer> Oh thanks the gods, I just imagined your machine ripping it's own neck off
[03:34:55] <ssi> for auto-squaring the gantry
[03:35:04] <guerillaengineer> That's a very neat idea
[03:35:05] <ssi> yeah it tries sometimes :)
[03:35:15] <ssi> fortunately the motors aren't strong enough to hurt anything
[03:35:21] <ssi> the nice thing about that is
[03:35:27] <ssi> I can take a long test cut, and check it for square
[03:35:32] <ssi> and ajdust out any error
[03:35:35] <ssi> by tweaking the home offsets
[03:36:05] <guerillaengineer> And you say you're doing this as a hobby? Because that's a professional idea if I've ever seen one.
[03:36:21] <ssi> it's not a popular idea for whatever reason
[03:36:33] <ssi> it's not supported in vanilla linuxcnc
[03:36:51] <ssi> we're working toward it; there's an active branch that makes provisions for it
[03:36:53] <guerillaengineer> Probably budgetary concerns/laziness. I'm going to calculate algorithms for linuxcnc
[03:37:05] <guerillaengineer> Because that sounds useful as hell
[03:37:19] <ssi> I have two gantry machines that both work that way
[03:37:25] <ssi> the laser, and a 50x50" plasma table
[03:37:33] <guerillaengineer> You have a plasma table?!
[03:37:35] <ssi> yeah
[03:37:38] <ssi> also scratchbuilt
[03:37:50] <guerillaengineer> that's cool as all getout
[03:37:56] <ssi> that was the first machine I built actually
[03:37:59] <ssi> like six years ago
[03:38:34] <guerillaengineer> You made hella money with that, didn't you?
[03:38:40] <ssi> no, I wish
[03:38:50] <guerillaengineer> Whaaat
[03:38:51] <ssi> I'm typically not very good at selling my services
[03:38:53] <ssi> heh
[03:39:11] <guerillaengineer> That's going to be my problem as well
[03:39:26] <ssi> the plasma table still doesn't work as well as I'd like it to
[03:39:37] <guerillaengineer> "Come buy things from a 24 year old crippled guy made from his living room!"
[03:39:40] <ssi> and I don't like trying to get jobs unless I'm very confident in my work
[03:40:12] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3rhhnSkbfw
[03:40:14] <guerillaengineer> I'm (hopefully) going to my prof's house tomorrow to craft threaded rods
[03:40:37] <ssi> sounds like a lot of work for something fairly inexpensive :)
[03:41:14] <guerillaengineer> That doesn't look bad at all! What's your coolant system running? And He is doing it for free, (I'm a HUGE teacher's pet)
[03:41:29] <ssi> this vid was from before I did a bunch of rework on the machine
[03:41:41] <ssi> it has a proper machine torch now, and my water table is now self-filling/draining
[03:41:48] <ssi> the coolant is homemade plasma quench
[03:41:51] <guerillaengineer> That's potential, right therer
[03:41:58] <ssi> now I have a 55gal plastic drum under the table
[03:42:03] <guerillaengineer> Homemade, eh? Neat.
[03:42:06] <ssi> and 10psi of shop air will displace it into the table
[03:42:31] <guerillaengineer> That's a good idea, silent air compressor?
[03:42:40] <ssi> definitely not silent
[03:42:58] <guerillaengineer> Haha, I have a little silent one. Hate the loud ones
[03:43:05] <ssi> mine's not too loud as they go
[03:43:15] <ssi> it's a 5hp IR 18cfm oiled machine
[03:43:20] <guerillaengineer> I may do a plasma cutter with servo-driven ceramic leading arms
[03:43:32] <ssi> I don't know what you mean
[03:44:09] <guerillaengineer> Like, a tesseract-motion system. (four arms leading the torch)
[03:44:16] <guerillaengineer> Ceramic only for grounding purposes
[03:44:24] <ssi> hm, like a delta arm?
[03:44:37] <guerillaengineer> yeah! But horizontal and four of them
[03:44:40] <ssi> gotcha
[03:44:57] <guerillaengineer> I bet with the proper servos it'd be hella efficient.
[03:45:59] <ssi> probably
[03:46:45] <guerillaengineer> I seriously made couplings out of nylon spacers cut down and hooke up to vinyl tubing with a hex screw. I didn't want to use backlash nuts
[03:47:03] <ssi> I've done plenty of stuff like that
[03:47:10] <guerillaengineer> I live up to "guerillaengineer" as much as possible.
[03:47:32] <ssi> I built a little desktop machine and I took some acme screw, cut flutes in it to make a tap, and tapped a piece of delrin to make a homemade leadnut
[03:47:46] <guerillaengineer> flutes?
[03:47:52] <ssi> yeah like the flutes in a tap
[03:48:02] <ssi> just cut it with an endmill to give it "teeth"
[03:48:11] <guerillaengineer> Ohhh
[03:48:11] <ssi> homemade acme tap
[03:48:42] <guerillaengineer> Like, cutting the end for a better grip?
[03:48:58] <ssi> lemme see if I can find a picture
[03:49:36] <guerillaengineer> I found a youtube video
[03:49:57] <ssi> couldn't find a pic of the tap, but here's a pic from the era
[03:49:58] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/41277_592454035912_8176447_n.jpg?oh=bf4be1c52ca66c032fad90eb9d3d9362&oe=54ED0D3B
[03:50:05] <ssi> taht's how my plasma Z axis started out
[03:50:13] <ssi> that's a homemade delrin leadnut
[03:50:30] <ssi> all of that's homemade actually except the rails and the screw
[03:50:37] <ssi> and the bearings and lovejoy coupler :P
[03:50:43] <ssi> ...and fasteners :)
[03:50:57] <guerillaengineer> I never thought of that
[03:51:22] <guerillaengineer> Yeah, I just pulled ABEC 7s from rollerblades
[03:51:32] <guerillaengineer> a little heat-shrink tubing and bam
[03:51:40] <ssi> I've used a ton of skate bearings :P
[03:52:04] <guerillaengineer> It's so good to know that I am not the only one that has ghetto-rigged parts
[03:52:46] <ssi> heh lots of us in here do
[03:53:06] <guerillaengineer> Do you think this would be sufficient in terms of a VAC transformer?
[03:53:08] <guerillaengineer> vhttp://www.zoro.com/i/G1296924/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CLSGq77wxMECFYLyMgod8xUAHw
[03:53:29] <ssi> too small
[03:53:42] <guerillaengineer> Darn
[03:53:56] <ssi> if you're gonna run three motors at 32VDC, 1.5A apiece, I'd want to see at least 100VA
[03:54:08] <guerillaengineer> I thought 40 looked paltry
[03:54:22] <guerillaengineer> It was so cheap though ;-;
[03:54:41] <ssi> actually probably more like 200VA
[03:54:54] <ssi> 24VAC transformers should be easy to scavenge
[03:54:56] <ssi> they're very common
[03:55:10] <guerillaengineer> Oh yeah, the UPS
[03:55:30] <guerillaengineer> And one of these, rectified and filtered, can run three motors at 4amp?
[03:56:07] <guerillaengineer> Well, 3.5, with overhead?
[03:56:16] <ssi> 4.5A with overhead
[03:56:27] <guerillaengineer> Even better
[03:56:33] <ssi> 6A of current capacity out of your power supply should be a good target to shoot for
[03:56:54] <guerillaengineer> I'm going to need THICK rubber gloves.
[03:56:55] <ssi> look for a 24VAC transformer at least 200VA and I think you'll be happy
[03:57:05] <ssi> gloves?
[03:57:14] <guerillaengineer> I'm glad I have bigass capacitors lying around
[03:57:39] <guerillaengineer> I have a fear of electrocution.
[03:57:41] <ssi> ah
[03:58:00] <ssi> but you play with lasers? :)
[03:58:10] <ssi> the laser psu is the only electricity that actively scares me
[03:58:13] <guerillaengineer> Yeah, apparently Muscular Dystrophy and being struck by lightning don't mix well.
[03:58:29] <ssi> my laser supply is 35kV, 40mA
[03:58:32] <ssi> gives me the willies
[03:58:35] <guerillaengineer> I can test lined supplies without any active current though
[04:00:53] <guerillaengineer> I should say, with a minimal charge and calculate the differential. All without becoming crispy chicken strips
[04:01:01] <ssi> heheh
[04:01:37] <ssi> well I need to sleep
[04:01:40] <ssi> almost 5 :(
[04:01:56] <ssi> hope you stick around; good folks here and always something interesting happening
[04:02:14] <guerillaengineer> Right on. I'm going to name my next laser array "SSI", you've been so freaking helpful!
[04:02:19] <ssi> :)
[04:02:23] <ssi> glad I could help
[04:02:37] <guerillaengineer> You truly did. Sleep well, Ian.
[04:02:44] <ssi> thanks, you too!
[04:02:48] <guerillaengineer> Wait, I didn't type Ian, I meant ssi
[04:02:53] <ssi> hahaha
[04:02:59] <ssi> either works
[04:03:03] <guerillaengineer> Ha! Night
[05:04:21] <cox> Hi, anyone have recomandations for VFD modbus control (ladder, mb2hal etc.) for D5M from Zhejiang Dema Electric Co LinuxCNC v6.3
[05:08:05] <Hawku> cox: you have received the rs485 adapter?
[05:08:27] <cox> Hawku: Yep :-)
[05:08:58] <Hawku> i got my TTL to RS485, but USB and RS232 models are still on the way
[05:09:33] <cox> Hawku: Tested it with a random cable and it did not work, lukily it was cable problem
[05:09:47] <Hawku> oh, ok
[05:10:08] <cox> Hawku: so now I am eager to test
[05:10:25] <cox> Hawku: Where are you located being up at this time
[05:11:23] <cox> Hawku: Have you done any more tests for axis movement speeds?
[05:13:05] <cox> Hawku: The rs485 i got is this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/181507464484?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[05:13:56] <Hawku> Finland and didn't want to go below 3000-4000ns step, so i'm using 3000-3500mm/min
[05:15:14] <Hawku> haven't missed any steps and the speed is more than enough for me
[05:21:22] <Hawku> cox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGDEnW9Ybc
[05:23:30] <Hawku> still using that cheap 1/8" HSS end mill
[05:44:44] <Hawku> cox: have you managed to control your VFD through modbus?
[07:36:30] <guerillaengineer> Yo
[07:36:52] <Bearded_Comrade> yo?
[07:37:04] <guerillaengineer> Sorry, herr comrade. Hi.
[07:37:11] <Bearded_Comrade> Hey
[07:37:21] <guerillaengineer> What's up on your end?
[07:37:27] <Bearded_Comrade> not much
[07:37:30] <Bearded_Comrade> midterm exams
[07:37:34] <guerillaengineer> Same.
[07:37:46] <guerillaengineer> Well, next week.
[07:37:53] <Bearded_Comrade> last one today for me
[07:38:08] <guerillaengineer> Right on, you confident?
[07:38:36] <Bearded_Comrade> no
[07:38:48] <Bearded_Comrade> this is the midterm where the class average is like 25%
[07:38:56] <guerillaengineer> Aww, c'mon herr comrade. What's the course?
[07:39:10] <Bearded_Comrade> Sensors and Instrumentation
[07:39:16] <Bearded_Comrade> its that the prof kinda sucks
[07:39:21] <Bearded_Comrade> doesnt teach anything
[07:39:34] <Bearded_Comrade> and if he mentions it in passing, you should know it
[07:39:52] <guerillaengineer> ocrap.jpeg, that sucks. My biochem reactions prof sucks as well
[07:40:23] <guerillaengineer> Just yammers on & on, never detailing anything
[07:41:20] <guerillaengineer> What's your major?
[07:41:31] <Bearded_Comrade> mechatronics
[07:41:39] <guerillaengineer> Whaaat, that's awesome
[07:41:50] <guerillaengineer> Are you going to build the Sentinels?
[07:41:50] <Bearded_Comrade> ye, cool sounding name
[07:41:57] <Bearded_Comrade> maybe
[07:42:10] <guerillaengineer> Well, poo.
[07:42:29] <Bearded_Comrade> well, i'm trying to build a 4 legged robot now
[07:42:44] <guerillaengineer> I'm into bio-Medical Engineering myself. Cool, crab bot
[07:42:49] <guerillaengineer> *Joke*
[07:42:54] <Bearded_Comrade> cool
[07:43:14] <guerillaengineer> Not really. With tech the way it is, I'll be stuck making insulin injectors
[07:43:26] <Bearded_Comrade> do you cnc in your spare time?
[07:43:42] <Bearded_Comrade> or is it relevant to bio-eng?
[07:43:44] <guerillaengineer> Building my first unit as we speak. My hobby is mostly lasers
[07:43:48] <Bearded_Comrade> ah
[07:43:53] <Bearded_Comrade> thats a fun hobby
[07:44:11] <guerillaengineer> I'll be creating macro-scale models of veins and proteins at home.
[07:44:11] <Bearded_Comrade> are you the quantity or quality type o guy?
[07:44:23] <guerillaengineer> quality, except for my love of CO2
[07:44:44] <Bearded_Comrade> ie do you have one big lazer that burns through everything?
[07:45:25] <guerillaengineer> I make my own mirrors for folded designs, at least I used to. That's what this machine is for as well.. I can cut through people if they stand perfectly still for 14 seconds.
[07:45:38] <guerillaengineer> hopefully I'll be completing a railgun this semester
[07:46:11] <Bearded_Comrade> Do you expect me to talk? No Bond, I expect you to stand still for 14 seconds!
[07:46:21] <guerillaengineer> hahaha
[07:46:30] <XXCoder> lol
[07:46:32] <guerillaengineer> That's so true it's crazy
[07:46:54] <Bearded_Comrade> i had a cool idea that used a rail gun
[07:46:58] <Bearded_Comrade> so
[07:47:10] <Bearded_Comrade> you know how scram jets are pretty solid state
[07:47:31] <Bearded_Comrade> they basically have the compressor and the fuel goes in and ignites
[07:47:33] <guerillaengineer> Another reason for cncing is I have an idea to isolate shielding gases between mirrors only microns thick. Human in half in 2 seconds. Yeah, I'm familiar with scrams
[07:47:51] <Bearded_Comrade> so make a scramjet
[07:48:08] <Bearded_Comrade> that is small
[07:48:13] <guerillaengineer> With a big-ass transformer and a parallel cap array?
[07:48:19] <Bearded_Comrade> maybe 1 meter long
[07:48:25] <Bearded_Comrade> but scram jets only work mach 4+
[07:48:32] <Bearded_Comrade> so use the rail gun to shoot it
[07:48:46] <guerillaengineer> the force would rip your face off
[07:48:55] <Bearded_Comrade> exactly
[07:48:55] <guerillaengineer> Let me calculate really quick
[07:51:12] <guerillaengineer> Shoulder-mounted, the air would literally blow your top-half clean off. You would need a mount to support, and even then it may flip (even a hummer dug in the ground) unless it had a 300lb weight on the nozzle
[07:51:36] <Bearded_Comrade> oh yeah, this would have to be ground mounted
[07:51:48] <XXCoder> would a heavy tank work
[07:51:49] <Bearded_Comrade> cause you are launching a scramjet to 4+ mach
[07:52:03] <guerillaengineer> one sec
[07:52:11] <guerillaengineer> American modern?
[07:52:14] <Bearded_Comrade> depending on how big of a scramjet you wanna shoot
[07:52:31] <Bearded_Comrade> i mean, if the scramjet is really small, like a mini 20 cm one
[07:52:56] <guerillaengineer> I guess it could work, but a 2cm would displace, one sec
[07:53:01] <XXCoder> usa army has been researching kenetic kill weapons
[07:53:25] <guerillaengineer> My brother works on a strike squad that is developing that, it's declassified so I can finally open my fat mouth!
[07:53:36] <XXCoder> its apparently so fast that shooting though air or water makes no difference
[07:54:11] <guerillaengineer> 2cc SS one-fuel shot at 4+M would displace around 19ft of ground matter moving at 0/ms
[07:54:55] <guerillaengineer> That would hit a building, then propel the matter it hit through the rest of the building (assuming cinder black of solid 1-foot width) and land at about 40 yards away
[07:55:30] <guerillaengineer> So essentially you made a shotgun taht operates under the principle that the target is the shot!
[07:56:08] <guerillaengineer> The capacitive array would need about 200farads? I'm guesstimating. That's a BUTTLOAD of power
[07:56:50] <Bearded_Comrade> it aint worth building if its not at least a bit insane
[07:57:03] <guerillaengineer> ^ The point of what we do
[07:57:30] <guerillaengineer> Anyone familiar with the RAMPS 1.4?
[07:57:58] <Bearded_Comrade> no, i've only heard of it
[07:58:03] <XXCoder> heh im reading this silly book that has discriptation of special weapon that shoots 3 cc pellet at 0.8C
[07:58:15] <XXCoder> if you miss pellet leaves solar system evenually
[07:58:25] <Bearded_Comrade> and anything that it does hit?
[07:59:07] <XXCoder> it hits and explodes so hard. but then at that speed air would be "still" so it does not work. it would cause fusion while flying though air!
[07:59:14] <guerillaengineer> 681.3keV/c^2
[07:59:57] <XXCoder> by the way https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
[08:00:08] <guerillaengineer> That's the relativistic momentum. It would only take around 2 years (outside of acceleration of any present atmosphere) to exit Pluto's axis
[08:00:48] <guerillaengineer> Yeah, excitation alone would destroy a bunch of junk
[08:01:39] <guerillaengineer> I've been experimenting with homopolar motors to find a feasible pulse rifle though
[08:02:31] <XXCoder> how does pulse rifle idea work
[08:02:38] <guerillaengineer> Basically plasma only stops short (which is creat for cutting metal) but if you superheated the surrounding environment it couls go as far as the heat
[08:02:51] <guerillaengineer> great*
[08:03:27] <guerillaengineer> It's like a railgun, but with EMFs
[08:03:43] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:04:24] <guerillaengineer> Have you guys heard of the new laser method to imprint like 20TB worth of data on a dvd?
[08:04:37] <XXCoder> got a link?
[08:05:20] <guerillaengineer> one second, and it's 1,000 Terabytes
[08:05:33] <guerillaengineer> http://phys.org/news/2013-06-storage-terabytes-dvd.html
[08:05:47] <guerillaengineer> I'm doing that, but with plasma in the middle of the resisting laser
[08:05:57] <XXCoder> I still remember reading about machine that can write and read from small crystal block, and it could hold 1 tb, and read speed was 1 Tb/s
[08:06:33] <guerillaengineer> The graphene reader?! Yeah, that's awesome
[08:06:45] <guerillaengineer> Allspark, right there
[08:07:01] <XXCoder> graphite? must be new one
[08:07:17] <XXCoder> One I menioned was holographic system using 2 lasers
[08:07:39] <guerillaengineer> My bad, different system. Check it
[08:07:40] <guerillaengineer> http://www.kurzweilai.net/graphene-antennas-would-enable-terabit-wireless-downloads
[08:07:57] <XXCoder> dang
[08:08:02] <guerillaengineer> yeaaah buddy
[08:08:48] <XXCoder> found it wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDSS
[08:09:20] <guerillaengineer> daaaamn
[08:09:35] <XXCoder> 1 tb isnt bad but its 1 tb/s thats killer
[08:09:48] <XXCoder> it means whole crystal read in1 sec
[08:09:54] <guerillaengineer> Right?!
[08:10:24] <guerillaengineer> Slap a 128X128 array up and transmit all data every day-and-a-half
[08:10:56] <XXCoder> heh well gonna go, laters
[08:11:14] <guerillaengineer> Have a good one
[08:12:48] <Bearded_Comrade> I gotta go too
[08:12:58] <Bearded_Comrade> study for for the midterms
[08:13:25] <guerillaengineer> Me too, may the force be with you
[08:13:30] <Bearded_Comrade> thanks
[08:13:35] <Bearded_Comrade> you too
[08:38:06] <lair82> Good Morning Guys, Making headway on my new build, but noticed something, is Pncconf Wizard not working on Debian? I did a fresh install this morning, and tried using it, and it won't start up from the drop down box. Stepconf wizard starts fine.
[08:41:10] <lair82> it dosen't start from the command line either.
[08:41:27] <skunkworks> I can't test 2.6.3 right now - but it works in master.. What is the error from commandline?
[08:43:53] <lair82_> Here is the fault, greenmill@localhost:~$ pncconf Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pncconf", line 53, in <module> from pncconf import pages ImportError: No module named pncconf
[08:44:31] <skunkworks> have you run updates?
[08:47:30] <lair82_> I just ran "sudo apt-get update" and it didn't say there were any updates
[08:49:33] <lair82_> skunkworks I might have to lean on you for a little while, I'm jumping off the cliff and going to run a 7i80 on this mill I am building. I know you have worked closely in regards to the development on that card.
[08:51:48] <JT-Shop> lair82, testing now
[08:52:06] <lair82_> You are, or am I?
[08:52:07] <JT-Shop> pncconf works for me
[08:52:27] <lair82_> Its never easy for me, lol
[08:52:30] <JT-Shop> from the menu on Debian 2.6.3
[08:52:54] <JT-Shop> let me try from the command line
[08:53:56] <JT-Shop> works from the command line as well
[08:54:19] <lair82_> I click, Applications menu, CNC, then Pncconf Wizard and it does nothing
[08:54:22] <JT-Shop> are you trying to run it from localhost and not the machine
[08:54:38] <JT-Shop> it does take a while to load
[08:55:10] <lair82_> Nope, I'm sitting at the pc now, I have it setup at my desk
[08:56:25] <lair82_> Do I have to do anything with this "(Key fingerprint = 4FA2 D1ED 5B2F 38AB 01A4 AB7E EF1B 07FE E0EE 663E)" from the buildbot page?
[08:56:48] <lair82_> I did the "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-key E0EE663E"
[08:57:01] <JT-Shop> I don't know I just used the hybrid iso to install
[08:57:24] <skunkworks> lair82: sudo apt-get update
[08:57:33] <skunkworks> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:59:14] <lair82_> I did the "sudo apt-get update" then I did this, and this was the result, greenmill@localhost:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. greenmill@localhost:~$ "
[08:59:23] <cox> Hawku: No not yet, have been trying to use mb2hal but only getting errors. Need to find a way of debuging the trafic between the vfd and mb2hal. At least there is leds flashing.
[09:11:33] <lair82> From the beginning, when I boot from the usb, that has the latest hybrid iso on it, I should select the " Install (graphical)" right?
[09:58:29] <PocketKnife> howdy guys
[09:58:58] <PocketKnife> we had our server crash that had disk extender on it...do you know of or have any documentation on how to restore it? i do beleive we have metadata backed up
[09:59:08] <PocketKnife> kinda at the desperation mode
[10:17:34] <cradek> what's disk extender?
[10:19:29] <cradek> do you mean lvm?
[10:20:02] <PocketKnife> oh..it's emc for centera
[10:20:16] <PocketKnife> i thought i was in #emc :)
[10:20:24] <cradek> oh - you are in the wrong place
[10:20:58] <PocketKnife> aw :) thank you!
[10:21:00] <cradek> linuxcnc was formerly named EMC
[10:21:17] <cradek> heh
[10:32:51] <lair82> As I understand it, in order to use the 7I80-HD, I have to use rt-preempt, which in turn requires master, and using Debian instead of Ubuntu, Correct?
[10:34:10] <pcw_home> No, debian is fine (and easier)
[10:34:49] <pcw_home> Ubuntu doesnt have a standard preemt-RT kernel so you have to roll your own
[10:37:19] <lair82> pcw_home so I just need to successfully install/build master using debian either from the buildbot or with git, and I should be good?
[10:37:44] <pcw_home> Yes, did you see my script?
[10:38:35] <lair82> No
[10:38:57] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/wheezy-uspace-eth
[10:39:10] <skunkworks> what is that for?
[10:39:43] <pcw_home> builds master/uspace on a virgin wheezy-iso
[10:41:21] <lair82> I will give that a go around, I hate to say it but I have been trying to get the software built since Wednesday morning
[10:42:10] <lair82> I still don't have any luck getting the pncconf wizard to work.
[10:44:28] <pcw_home> Strange, pretty sure it worked out-of-the-box for me
[10:44:39] <pcw_home> (though running master)
[10:46:04] <pcw_home> realistically its probably easier to take a current config file set and change the names for Ethernet than make a whole new config
[10:50:06] <lair82> Do I need to add --enable-run-in-place to the ./configure line?
[10:51:51] <lair82> I wanted to try the wizard because of how I building a mill now instead of a turning center, and the fimware is readily available, unlike the lathes that we did.
[10:55:01] <pcw_home> pncconf will not currently make configs for the Ethernet cards
[10:55:47] <lair82> Oh, ok, won't try to go down that road then.
[10:56:13] <pcw_home> (though you can select similar PCI card firmware and make a config, and then use an editor to globally replace the card name in the file)
[10:57:42] <pcw_home> the .hal file I should say
[10:57:43] <lair82> pcw_home I have a substantial order to place, will it ship today, if ordered this morning?
[10:58:04] <lair82> Everything looks to be in stock
[10:58:20] <pcw_home> Probably not, we are behind a bit more likley it will ship on Monday
[10:58:42] <pcw_home> but maybe
[10:59:20] <lair82> There a few things missing from the webstore, the single ended 34 and 40 pin cables for the 7i73, and the ENCY card we talked about are not available for ordering from the web.
[10:59:47] <lair82> I am going to call it in regardless, but just letting you know
[11:05:01] <lair82> pncconf won't start for, from the command line, or the dropdown box. It says "ImportError: No module named pncconf"
[11:07:39] <JT-Shop> lair82 did you do a full install with the CD?
[11:07:53] <JT-Shop> or are you running a RIP?
[11:09:24] <lair82> I inserted the usb, started the pc, booted from the usb, the screen popped up with the different options, and I selected "Install ( Graphical )", then proceeded from there.
[11:10:10] <lair82> Even before I get to the configure line, It still wont start
[11:10:37] <lair82> I do normally use an RIP version though
[11:11:14] <JT-Shop> you shouldn't have to configure anything with a regular install
[11:11:52] <JT-Shop> I did use the CD and not the USB...
[11:15:13] <lair82> I did everything from the command line, using git. I don't fully understand the buildbot, I put those lines in the software sources section, then updated, and installed. But how do you then check the dependencies, and start linuxcnc?
[11:15:43] <JT-Shop> ok, then you didn
[11:15:52] <JT-Shop> 't use the hybrid iso then
[11:17:06] <JT-Shop> I don't understand buildbot either
[11:17:53] <lair82> That's what I installed, I downloaded it from the download page, put it on a usb, and Debian is what is installed now
[11:18:02] <CaptHindsight> just FYI, I have installed Wheezy first then added all the Linuxcnc + RTAI and kernel packages as well as installed from the Linuxcnc Wheezy hybrid ISO and the results are different
[11:18:30] <JT-Shop> what did you add with git?
[11:20:31] <lair82> I just followed this, freeby.mesanet.com/wheezy-uspace-eth
[11:21:15] <lair82> Lunch time guys, be back in about 40mins
[11:34:24] <ssi> morn
[11:36:49] <archivist> moan
[11:37:00] <zeeshan> SSI
[11:37:04] <zeeshan> nice job on those gaskets
[11:37:04] <zeeshan> haha
[11:37:08] <ssi> haha
[11:37:25] <zeeshan> the scrap looks like a screen door
[11:37:26] <zeeshan> :D
[11:37:31] <ssi> about to run to mcmaster and pick up another 24sqft of acrylic and 18sqft of silicone
[11:37:36] <ssi> it looks like a silicone cargo net
[11:37:38] <ssi> it's awesome hahahah
[11:37:40] <zeeshan> mcmaster is near you?!?!
[11:37:42] <zeeshan> thats crazy
[11:37:44] <ssi> yeah, about 30 minutes
[11:37:51] <zeeshan> so lucky :P
[11:38:29] * koss googles
[11:38:33] <koss> 22mins for me
[11:38:39] <koss> they're all over the place
[11:38:43] <ssi> yeah there's liek nine of them
[11:38:49] <ssi> which one are you near?
[11:39:02] <koss> aurora, oh
[11:39:12] <ssi> gotcha
[11:39:14] <ssi> atlanta
[11:39:49] <ssi> and that 30m is assuming no traffic :P
[11:40:01] <ssi> everything in atlanta is 30m apart, unless there's traffic, in which case it's 90m :(
[11:40:07] * archivist is toooooo far to go
[11:40:12] <ssi> atlanta is the new LA
[11:40:15] <koss> i was in atlanta recently, visited terminus ;)
[11:40:19] <ssi> haha
[11:41:11] <koss> the zombies were the most intelligent thing in that neighborhood
[11:41:25] <ssi> I don't even know where exactly it is :P
[11:41:27] <ssi> looking it up
[11:42:02] <ssi> oh there hahah
[11:42:28] <ssi> that's like two blocks from where a friend lives
[11:48:03] <ssi> weird, mcmaster sells a tiny selection of CAT40 endmill holders
[11:48:22] <ssi> but they don't sell pullstuds or pullstud sockets
[11:48:25] <ssi> was hoping for the latter :P
[11:49:36] <zeeshan> lol
[11:49:46] <zeeshan> make a pullstud socket :P
[11:50:36] <ssi> you seem to be overestimating my capability :P
[11:51:14] <ssi> think you'd probably want EDM to do that
[11:51:33] <zeeshan> why
[11:52:14] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/images/PSW30M-Pull-Stud-Socket-1.jpg
[11:52:17] <zeeshan> depending on which socket it is
[11:52:23] <zeeshan> they have a small radius
[11:52:33] <zeeshan> http://www.maritool.com/images/PSW40-Pull-Stud-Socket-2.jpg
[11:52:37] <ssi> make me one
[11:52:41] <zeeshan> no
[11:52:45] <zeeshan> you have the grizzly
[11:52:46] <zeeshan> make one :P
[11:52:48] <ssi> no I don't
[11:53:04] <ssi> and I still have no way to heat treat
[11:53:06] <zeeshan> you have a plasma cutter
[11:53:19] <archivist> angle grinder!
[11:53:20] <zeeshan> make a bunch out of .25" plate
[11:53:25] <zeeshan> and stack em together, weld em
[11:53:26] <zeeshan> !
[11:53:32] <ssi> that's the worst idea ever
[11:53:35] <zeeshan> its not
[11:53:37] <zeeshan> ive done that before
[11:53:42] <zeeshan> it works great :P
[11:53:57] <ssi> I vote worst ide aever
[11:54:07] <zeeshan> i bet archivist likes my idea
[11:54:08] <zeeshan> :P
[11:54:12] <zeeshan> gotta make use of what you got!!
[11:54:31] <zeeshan> so the guy who sold me the machine
[11:54:37] <zeeshan> does not know what kind of tool holder the machine uses
[11:54:43] <ssi> super helpful
[11:54:43] <zeeshan> suggests i pull off the hydraulic cylinder and look
[11:54:52] <zeeshan> which really isnt going to tell me anything
[11:55:00] <ssi> no, it's not
[11:55:02] <zeeshan> i can prolly measure the angle
[11:55:04] <zeeshan> thats about it
[11:55:06] <zeeshan> not the height or anything
[11:55:09] <syyl_ws> the mikron
[11:55:21] <zeeshan> SYYL!!!!
[11:55:21] <zeeshan> :D
[11:55:23] <syyl_ws> if i had to guess
[11:55:29] <syyl_ws> 40taper din2080
[11:55:37] <zeeshan> syyl, yes but what pull stud
[11:55:44] <zeeshan> or retention knob :P
[11:55:55] <syyl_ws> 2080 has allready the pull stud
[11:56:02] <ssi> oh that's gonna be super fun
[11:56:06] <ssi> good luck tooling that bastard
[11:56:29] <syyl_ws> they are common as crap :)
[11:56:37] <zeeshan> http://www.kenggproducts.com/pdfs/DIN_2080_Holders_ISO.pdf
[11:56:39] <ssi> are they common from cheap suppliers?
[11:56:42] <zeeshan> i have one holder EXACTLY like that
[11:56:49] <zeeshan> first one in the pdf..
[11:56:53] <syyl_ws> they are industrial standard
[11:56:59] <syyl_ws> one costs about 30 to 50 bucks
[11:57:10] <zeeshan> but it doesnt fit in.
[11:57:17] <syyl_ws> ha crap :D
[11:57:32] <Connor> I thought it was ISO CAT40
[11:57:40] <archivist> zeeshan, because you have not release the stud thingy?
[11:58:00] <syyl_ws> it will only fit if the hydraulic drawbar is released
[11:58:06] <ssi> buy this spannzangenfutter! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spannzangenfutter-SK40-DIN2080-ER40-3385-/381022273769?pt=Werkzeug_Spannmittel&hash=item58b6b280e9
[11:58:31] <syyl_ws> hey
[11:58:33] <syyl_ws> a schaublin :)
[11:58:45] <syyl_ws> na i bet the machine uses din2080
[11:58:54] <syyl_ws> that was standard for non-toolchanger-machines
[11:59:03] <ssi> theres four of those er40 chucks on ebay for $31 apiece
[11:59:10] <ssi> if it is that tape, that's a good deal
[11:59:13] <ssi> taper
[12:00:03] <ssi> you can get a Bohrfutter to go with it
[12:00:03] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bohrfutter-SK30-DIN2080-D0-2-16-/380938234768?pt=Industriemaschinen&hash=item58b1b02b90
[12:00:21] <syyl_ws> http://www.kemmler-shop.de/index.php?cPath=2_7_922
[12:00:33] <syyl_ws> that stuff isnt even new expensive
[12:00:47] <syyl_ws> ah
[12:01:14] <syyl_ws> mr franz singer, wraith of all deckel owners.
[12:01:24] <ssi> lol
[12:01:35] <syyl_ws> he buys everythink deckelish on ebay
[12:01:45] <syyl_ws> and resells it for 10x the price :D
[12:02:07] <ssi> the guy I bought my HNC from is that way with hardinge tooling
[12:02:14] <syyl_ws> hrhr
[12:02:16] <ssi> he sold me the lathe cheap, and raped me on the tooling
[12:02:31] <ssi> when I needed that turret seal, I started googling and first thing I came up with was him selling one for $75
[12:02:33] <zeeshan> syyl
[12:02:34] <ssi> for a big oring
[12:02:35] <zeeshan> one sec
[12:02:52] <ssi> anyway, I'm off to mcmaster, bbiab
[12:03:06] <zeeshan> cu
[12:03:57] <zeeshan> syyl you ran mikrons before?
[12:04:04] <syyl_ws> nope :)
[12:04:25] <syyl_ws> but i dont think there is much difference in running any of the european toolroom cncs
[12:04:40] <zeeshan> archivist: not sure
[12:04:47] <zeeshan> here are some pictuers
[12:04:57] <zeeshan> i apologize about flickr ahead.
[12:05:07] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196644/
[12:05:09] <zeeshan> this is how the tool sits
[12:05:24] <zeeshan> i guess i have to press the drawbar button first (i dont have hydraulic power yet)
[12:05:28] <syyl_ws> yes
[12:05:41] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14996196844/in/photostream/
[12:05:44] <zeeshan> thats what it looks like inside
[12:06:11] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15616955925/in/photostream/
[12:06:15] <zeeshan> this is one of the tools the machine came with
[12:06:21] <zeeshan> but owner was unsure if it was for this machine
[12:06:32] <zeeshan> lol
[12:06:32] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15614280291/in/photostream/
[12:06:40] <zeeshan> and that looks EXACTLY like din4080
[12:06:45] <syyl_ws> uh
[12:06:46] <zeeshan> 2080
[12:06:57] <archivist> no it is not that looks iso
[12:06:57] <syyl_ws> very vintage ;)
[12:07:33] <zeeshan> what looks iso
[12:07:34] <zeeshan> the tool holder?
[12:07:43] <syyl_ws> yeah :D
[12:07:49] <syyl_ws> clarkson autolock
[12:08:21] <archivist> or the Osborne lookalike
[12:09:09] <syyl_ws> i would bet money that thats the correct style shank and draw bolt
[12:09:11] <zeeshan> look at the cylindrical part of the tool holder though
[12:09:23] <zeeshan> what makes it look iso40
[12:09:31] <zeeshan> online it does say iso40 everywhere for the wf21c
[12:09:36] <zeeshan> but it makes no mention about pull stud
[12:09:41] <zeeshan> or retaining mechanism
[12:09:42] <syyl_ws> iso40 is just the taper
[12:09:44] <lair82> Hey guys, I'm back, I will not worry about the pncconf for now, I will find a file and hack it around until it works for me.
[12:09:44] <syyl_ws> nothing else
[12:09:51] <archivist> yes that is the style on my horizontal
[12:10:02] <syyl_ws> 2080 is the style of the holder which allready has a pull stud
[12:10:04] <zeeshan> archivist: with the cylindrical extension?
[12:10:38] <syyl_ws> there is also din 68971(or something like that) that has no extension, where the pull stud is screwed in
[12:10:54] <archivist> the extension is from the early use where a draw bar was used
[12:11:01] <zeeshan> "ISO describes the taper itself , DIN 2080 describes a style of clamping in the machine.'
[12:11:27] <zeeshan> so i guess it can be
[12:11:30] <zeeshan> ISO40 DIN2080
[12:12:15] <CaptHindsight> they have align the parts off camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic3jfVwmDyQ#t=22 this is a terrible pick-n-place
[12:12:27] <syyl_ws> why that complicated
[12:12:34] <syyl_ws> just google for comfirmation
[12:12:35] <syyl_ws> https://www.maschinensucher.de/CNC-Universal-Werkzeug-Fraesmaschine-MIKRON-WF-21-C/i-1452593
[12:12:43] <syyl_ws> "Werkzeugaufnahme, DIN 2080 ISO 40 / M 16 "
[12:12:46] <zeeshan> LOL
[12:12:48] <zeeshan> nice
[12:12:50] <archivist> may I recommend http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapers.html
[12:12:57] <lair82> I am still trying to figure out how to disable the hardware graphics driver on this new FM2A88X-ITX+ MB. I see in the troubleshooting manual that this " radeon.modeset=0 " should disable it, but do I do that from the command line, or where?
[12:13:22] <CaptHindsight> lair82: kernel parameter in grub
[12:13:31] <zeeshan> so
[12:13:36] <zeeshan> this TOOL holder is the correct one for the machine!
[12:13:48] <syyl_ws> horrible amount of tapers and styles out there, archivist :D
[12:14:03] <archivist> see nmbt on that page
[12:14:17] <zeeshan> i am
[12:14:21] <archivist> that also has the 2080 in the section
[12:14:34] <syyl_ws> looks correct :)
[12:14:55] <zeeshan> so it doesnt matter what the trhread is in the end
[12:14:57] <zeeshan> cause i dont make use of it.
[12:15:12] <zeeshan> all i care about is where that groove near the cylindrical part is
[12:15:14] <zeeshan> and how wide it is
[12:15:17] <lair82> so just "sudo mousepad grub.conf", and add this line/
[12:16:37] <zeeshan> okay
[12:16:39] <zeeshan> this makes 100% sense
[12:16:43] <zeeshan> the key size i measured was .625"
[12:16:45] <zeeshan> with the mike.
[12:17:02] <zeeshan> and im looking through catalogs and they make specific nmtb 40 tool holders to make use with .625" key
[12:17:16] <syyl_ws> :)
[12:17:26] <CaptHindsight> lair82: I believe to save the kernel parameter in Wheezy so it boots with it every time edit: /etc/default/grub Then run: update-grub and reboot
[12:18:23] <zeeshan> archivist: is your machine nmtb40?
[12:19:33] <archivist> no it is an in between 35 ish which now seems to be missing from that page
[12:20:18] <archivist> my impression your holder is not from that machine
[12:20:31] <zeeshan> doesnt it look like din2080?
[12:20:39] <zeeshan> to you..
[12:21:00] <zeeshan> it looks exactly like that nmtb holder on that tools-n-grizmos site
[12:21:03] <archivist> that ebay item has a slot
[12:21:21] <archivist> SK40 is perhaps the other clue
[12:21:39] <zeeshan> if you google "mikron wf 21 din2080 iso40"
[12:21:46] <zeeshan> a whole bunch of links pop up where machines are for sale
[12:21:52] <zeeshan> so it must be it :P
[12:22:47] <zeeshan> only one way to find out right?
[12:22:51] <zeeshan> hook up the power to the hydraulics :P
[12:23:02] <archivist> you want this http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISOMA-Centering-Microscope-DIN2080-SK40-40INT-SWISS-Zentriermikroskop-USED-/171499931838
[12:23:30] <zeeshan> haha thats nice!
[12:24:53] <archivist> a smaller one http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_03_30_tools/IMG_1767.JPG
[12:26:06] <zeeshan> you and your fancy tools :)
[12:26:31] <zeeshan> how does the drawbar thing work
[12:26:33] <zeeshan> i have 2 buttons
[12:26:36] <archivist> grab toys when available
[12:26:36] <zeeshan> one white one red
[12:27:23] <zeeshan> whoops i think i messed up the colors
[12:27:51] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15540544082/
[12:27:52] <zeeshan> white and black
[12:28:02] <archivist> apply pressure to release, there is usually a stack of belville springs inside
[12:28:14] <zeeshan> wouldnt it be one button then?
[12:28:21] <zeeshan> which applys pressure when held
[12:28:49] <zeeshan> ill see what thsoe buttons are hooked up to :P
[12:29:50] <archivist> the idea being the holding force does not rely on constant pressure from the release mechanism
[12:30:13] <zeeshan> yes
[12:30:17] <zeeshan> its normally closed :)
[12:30:24] <zeeshan> and open when you pressure the pressure button
[12:30:26] <syyl_ws> one button gives clearance, then with the other the hydraulic is opened
[12:30:28] <zeeshan> im curious why there is 2 buttons
[12:30:50] <syyl_ws> then, when you press the button again it pulls the tool in
[12:31:40] <syyl_ws> the first one would be like a safety
[12:31:47] <syyl_ws> again, wild guess ;)
[12:31:49] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:31:55] <zeeshan> do you know if the hydraulic pump is always on
[12:32:00] <zeeshan> on these machines
[12:32:11] <zeeshan> or if it only comes on when you press the buttons
[12:32:17] <zeeshan> i still need to trace the wires
[12:32:18] <syyl_ws> not on those i ran
[12:32:21] <zeeshan> since i have no electric schematics.
[12:32:36] <zeeshan> okay then it must prolly come on
[12:32:39] <zeeshan> when you press the button
[12:32:50] <zeeshan> i also need to see if it has some sort of builtin over-pressure safety switch
[12:32:57] <syyl_ws> it will have
[12:33:01] <syyl_ws> that stopts the pump
[12:34:33] <zeeshan> i was reading some features online about other machines
[12:34:39] <zeeshan> apparently you can use the hydraulic pump
[12:34:45] <zeeshan> to provide hydraulic clamping of fixtures :P
[12:35:28] <syyl_ws> there might be three solenoid valves
[12:35:49] <syyl_ws> one for horizontal, one for vertical and maybe one for the brake on a cnc rotary axis
[12:38:36] <zeeshan> bah need to prepare for a meeting
[12:38:39] <zeeshan> thanks for the help!
[12:38:39] <zeeshan> :)
[12:39:34] <syyl_ws> np :)
[12:39:42] <lair82_> CaptHindsight, here was what I got, "greenmill@greenmill:~$ sudo update-grub [sudo] password for greenmill: /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: radeon.modeset=0: not found", should I maybe put that line in the grub.mkconfig file?
[12:44:39] <CaptHindsight> lair82: sorry I'm not a debian guru :)
[12:45:03] <CaptHindsight> lair82: why do you need the preempt_rt kernel vs RTAI?
[12:45:57] <lair82> I am going to be running the 7I80HD board from mesa
[12:46:29] <CaptHindsight> why doesn't the 7i80HD work with RTAI?
[12:47:17] <lair82> Apparently not,
[12:47:43] <CaptHindsight> lair82: what is your reason for wanting to disable the hardware accel driver?
[12:52:09] <CaptHindsight> we didn't look into preempt_rt much
[12:52:49] <CaptHindsight> we worked on the new RTAI branch and we had to disable kernel mode settings to have low latency
[12:53:58] <CaptHindsight> I don't know what the best settings are for kernel parameters with preempt_rt
[12:53:59] <lair82> I have noticed that the latency will run very low, 5-7k ns, but when I start dragging windows around, it shoots right up, 30,40,50k ns
[12:54:19] <pcw_home> I would not worry about latency at this point
[12:56:54] <lair82> pcw_home, ok, I guess I'm just paranoid for no reason, after all the ups and downs on the first three builds, now going off in uncharted territories has me nervous.
[13:00:56] <pcw_home> Well the latency test under RTAI is a nice security blanket until look at
[13:00:57] <pcw_home> actual latency (say plot motion.controller time on halscope)
[13:27:51] <CaptHindsight> http://kanawha-cnc.com/who-we-are/217-we-sell-off-the-shelf-cnc-systems.html I wonder if they have anything in Teak?
[13:38:53] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is almost laughable
[13:40:02] <PetefromTn_> Wonder if they sell a Tri-Lambda? LOL
[13:40:33] <zeeshan> The Alpha series is our commercial 3D filament printing series. It is a large, heavy, solid machine built to handle the needs of commercial production printing, educational,
[13:40:34] <zeeshan> lol
[13:40:39] <zeeshan> large, heavy :P
[13:42:42] <CaptHindsight> made from the densest of hardwoods?
[13:44:05] <CaptHindsight> http://dev.metvnetwork.com/assets/images/bamboo%20car.jpg well it was good enough for Gilligan
[13:44:39] <PetefromTn_> HEHEHE cracks me up
[13:46:04] <PetefromTn_> designed from the ground up as a hybrid milling machine capable of high speed and stiffness needed for both milling metal and effective printing and engraving.
[13:46:38] <PetefromTn_> Outfitted with acme screws, dual 1/2 steel rails, and 200 watt 48v drive motors on all axes
[13:48:16] <syyl_ws> hey
[13:48:24] <syyl_ws> thats bullshit bingo :D
[13:48:35] <syyl_ws> the whole text
[13:48:43] <syyl_ws> and "hybrid" always sounds cool
[13:48:45] <PetefromTn_> says it is linux based wonder if it is just a reconfigured linuxCNC>
[13:49:01] <syyl_ws> kinda scifi
[13:49:05] <PetefromTn_> bullshit bingo LOL
[13:49:14] <zeeshan> bhahaha acme screws
[13:49:16] <PetefromTn_> I'm gonna have to use that one...
[13:49:16] <zeeshan> i didnt even notice that
[13:56:04] <lair82> Our $56000 Fagor retrofit on our 18x60 Cincinatti MO Lathe says "Decompressing Linux Files" when it boots up from a power outage
[13:56:47] <PetefromTn_> ooh nice got any pictures of that Cincinatti lathe?
[13:57:05] <syyl_ws> heidenhain controllers also run on linux
[13:57:08] <syyl_ws> thats not uncommon
[13:57:10] <PetefromTn_> is it a CNC turning center?
[13:57:24] <lair82> Don't believe so, I will have to get some and share
[13:58:01] <PetefromTn_> I am still trying to borrow a heavy duty trailer so I can go get my new CNC lathe retrofit project.
[13:58:21] <lair82> Yep, 1980 vintage, complete retrofit, drives servo's spindle motor controller
[13:58:47] <zeeshan> heidenhain is pretty nice
[13:58:48] <PetefromTn_> thats how ya do it in my humble opinion... all brand new if you can swing it.
[13:58:48] <lair82> What kind of lathe?
[13:58:50] <zeeshan> with their glass scales!
[13:59:17] <PetefromTn_> it's a Standard Modern
[13:59:48] <lair82> We have a Heidenhain on a Hermle milling machine, it is a very nice controller
[13:59:56] <zeeshan> lair82: i ripped mine out
[13:59:58] <zeeshan> im replacing it with linuxcnc
[14:00:07] <Marfu_> hello
[14:00:10] <zeeshan> im only keeping the glass scales
[14:00:11] <lair82> haha, were not far behind
[14:00:17] <Marfu_> linuxcnc is a program or distribution?
[14:01:18] <zeeshan> lair82: which model heidenhain control?
[14:01:19] <PetefromTn_> LinuxCNC is the control program for CNC machined this forum is based on
[14:01:27] <PetefromTn_> machines
[14:02:35] <Marfu_> Can I install this program on ubuntu?
[14:02:42] <PetefromTn_> yes
[14:02:45] <Marfu_> how?
[14:02:46] <PetefromTn_> that is what mine runs on
[14:03:00] <Marfu_> I search linuxcnc
[14:03:11] <PetefromTn_> best way is to download and burn the setup disk to a CD but there are quite a few ways apparently.
[14:03:13] <Marfu_> but not found apt-get not found it
[14:03:45] <Marfu_> no, i need this program in my normal computer no dedicated computer
[14:04:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/download
[14:05:26] <Marfu_> Your link is ISO not program
[14:05:40] <Marfu_> whole distribution not only one program
[14:06:24] <PetefromTn_> LinuxCNC is an open-source project. Currently we keep the source-code in "Git" (a versioning system) at git.linuxcnc.org. You can browse the sources online, using gitweb , or download them (instructions).
[14:06:44] <PetefromTn_> not sure what you are after but that is where they keep the source code.
[14:08:21] <Marfu_> ok
[14:08:27] <pcw_home> If you intend to actually run a machine you will need a real time kernel in addition to the linuxcnc software
[14:08:29] <Marfu_> i try to compile it
[14:08:41] <Marfu_> och
[14:08:47] <Marfu_> i undestand
[14:09:08] <Marfu_> what RTOS is in linuxcnc distribution?
[14:09:21] <pcw_home> RTAI
[14:09:45] <Marfu_> thanks
[14:09:59] <pcw_home> but master (the development version) can run under Preemt-RT alo
[14:10:05] <pcw_home> also
[14:10:42] <Marfu_> ok. I will read about it
[14:10:51] <lair82> zeeshan its a model TNC 155
[14:12:07] <zeeshan> let me guess
[14:12:10] <zeeshan> with siemens motors? :P
[14:12:47] <ssi> back
[14:13:39] <lair82> You betcha!!!
[14:13:57] <zeeshan> lair82: i got rid of my bosch servo drive
[14:14:01] <zeeshan> and running more modern drives
[14:14:03] <zeeshan> "AMC"
[14:14:19] <zeeshan> how they work out will be determined over the next couple of weeks :)
[14:14:33] <zeeshan> im playing the waiting game on parts
[14:20:05] <ssi> hate that game
[14:22:12] <syyl_ws> then you need more projects the same time
[14:22:21] <zeeshan> no
[14:22:23] <zeeshan> i have enough!
[14:22:23] <zeeshan> :P
[14:22:32] <ssi> laser's back to runnin
[14:22:35] <ssi> makin dem bux
[14:23:37] <ssi> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10100509241453552&set=vb.71107655&type=2&theater
[14:23:41] <ssi> laserlaserlaser
[14:24:07] <zeeshan> me like
[14:24:12] <Connor> Do you not have that machine in a enclosure ?
[14:24:19] <ssi> sorta?
[14:24:25] <ssi> I never got around to adding the lexan ;)
[14:24:28] <Connor> and man is that video crappy
[14:24:34] <ssi> yeah fb video isn't great
[14:24:39] <zeeshan> ssi
[14:24:42] <zeeshan> for all these machines
[14:24:43] <ssi> I just didn't feel like taking the time to youtubs it
[14:24:45] <Connor> So, what are you doing about fumes ?
[14:24:45] <zeeshan> you surely have a 1970s camera
[14:24:46] <zeeshan> :D
[14:24:52] <ssi> it's not the camera
[14:25:02] <ssi> Connor: the bed has downdraft exhaust
[14:25:14] <Connor> okay. That's good
[14:25:29] <zeeshan> the silicone
[14:25:30] <zeeshan> has no chance
[14:25:32] <ssi> it'd work VERY well if the enclosure was enclosured
[14:25:35] <zeeshan> its getting raped=!
[14:25:36] <ssi> as is it works fine
[14:25:56] <zeeshan> ssi
[14:26:00] <zeeshan> how does the laser beam
[14:26:03] <zeeshan> make it into the head
[14:26:06] <zeeshan> from that huge glass tube
[14:26:09] <ssi> mirrors
[14:26:18] <Connor> Duh
[14:26:26] <zeeshan> but the head is moving
[14:26:39] <Connor> one of the mirrors is on the head.
[14:26:43] <lair82> ssi Is that using them boards I sent you/
[14:26:43] <ssi> there's three mirrors
[14:26:57] <ssi> one is fixed, one is on the left side of the gantry, and moves with Y, one is in the head and moves with X
[14:27:00] <ssi> the beam path stays rectilinear
[14:27:12] <ssi> lair82: no, it's on an optiplex... one of the boards you sent me is getting built into my VMC
[14:27:14] <zeeshan> ahh
[14:27:28] <lair82> I see
[14:27:36] <lair82> Pretty cool regardless
[14:27:37] <zeeshan> lair82: the mill with the tnc 155
[14:27:41] <zeeshan> what kind of tool holder does it use
[14:28:43] <lair82> Not sure, I would have ask the operator
[14:33:10] <ssi> zeeshan: I got that hook spanner from mcmaster, and sure enough it's armstrong
[14:33:18] <zeeshan> lol
[14:33:19] <ssi> mcmaster's prices are high, and graingers are 2x what mcmasters are
[14:33:31] <zeeshan> i dont even know who buys from grainer
[14:33:36] <ssi> me either
[14:33:38] <zeeshan> they sell a 1hp motor
[14:33:39] <zeeshan> for 800$
[14:33:40] <zeeshan> ..
[14:33:49] <ssi> best part is
[14:33:52] <ssi> I should have gotten a smaller one
[14:33:54] <ssi> the hook is too big :(
[14:33:58] <zeeshan> fak
[14:34:00] <zeeshan> grind it down :P
[14:34:05] <ssi> I probably will
[14:42:13] <lair82> pcw_home PCW Thanks for that script, I just put another MB, CPU together, and it only took me about 45mins to get it loaded and ready, instead of 2 1/2 days. I will be calling monday with my order, I'm building 2 VMC controls at one time, and buying a spare of everything for the turning centers.
[14:42:43] <PetefromTn_> damn you're a busy boy er girl?
[14:43:06] <lair82> boy, :)
[14:43:13] <PetefromTn_> what MB?
[14:43:19] <ssi> that reminds me, I ordered another 7i77 kit the other day, wonder when it'll be showing up
[14:43:22] <ssi> tomorrow perhaps
[14:43:45] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get my 7i77 shipped out to PCW so he can see if it can be repaired..
[14:43:50] <lair82> Yep, a friend of ours has an identical 10vc-1000 machining center, so we are doing both machines at the same time,
[14:43:57] <ssi> PetefromTn_: what's wrong with it?
[14:44:10] <PetefromTn_> I blew it the fuck up awhile back LOL
[14:44:15] <ssi> oh you blew an output driver didn't you
[14:44:17] <ssi> like I did on my '76
[14:44:30] <PetefromTn_> no idea but the field I/O section is apparenlty down.
[14:44:35] <ssi> entirely?
[14:44:44] <PetefromTn_> PCW said I could send it back and he might be able to repair it.
[14:44:49] <PetefromTn_> Gonna be needing it for the Lathe.
[14:44:50] <ssi> so your machine is down right now?
[14:44:56] <lair82> FM2A88X-ITX+ with a AMD A6300 CPU
[14:44:56] <ssi> oh you got another one I guess
[14:44:59] <PetefromTn_> No this is the other 7i77
[14:45:05] <PetefromTn_> I have two combos here.
[14:45:08] <ssi> yea
[14:45:15] <PetefromTn_> one is still working beautiful in the machine.
[14:45:22] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:45:23] <ssi> :)
[14:45:35] <ssi> I think i'll have four 5i25s when the new kit comes
[14:45:36] <PetefromTn_> unless you think you can fix it LOL?
[14:45:52] <ssi> two '77s, a '76, and the one for the plasma table which uses a 7i75 and thcad, plus g540
[14:46:01] <ssi> I might be able to fix it, but you're better off sending it to him
[14:46:06] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[14:46:23] <PetefromTn_> I need to whip up a CNC router table like yours here at some point.
[14:46:32] <ssi> plus a machine on a 5i23, one on a 7i43, and a spare 7i43 on hand
[14:46:40] <ssi> yeah I want to build a router too
[14:46:46] <PetefromTn_> Just bought a brand new Air conditioning system for my house so gotta install that now probably this week,
[14:46:51] <ssi> in fact now that I have the whole hangar for machine shop
[14:46:59] <ssi> maybe I'll go whole hog and build a 4x8 router
[14:47:04] <ssi> that'd be freakin sweet
[14:47:05] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah..
[14:47:18] <PetefromTn_> I would not bother unless it was full size sheet capable.
[14:47:27] <ssi> yeah
[14:47:30] <ssi> for home, I just don't have the space
[14:47:34] <ssi> but now I have the space at the airport
[14:47:55] <ssi> maybe I'll reinvest the money from this laser job into a router :)
[14:48:07] <ssi> also I want to build a new frame with bed height control for the laser
[14:48:10] * JT-Shop just bought an exhaust bender swager expander
[14:48:15] <PetefromTn_> you probably will anyways knowing you....
[14:48:20] <ssi> lol
[14:48:24] <ssi> JT-Shop: neat, what for?
[14:48:28] <PetefromTn_> you are like a CNC junkie LOL
[14:48:34] <ssi> don't judge me!
[14:48:49] <PetefromTn_> not judging just.....Observing.
[14:48:54] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:49:03] <ssi> I have no family or friends; gotta put my time and money somewhere!
[14:49:17] <ssi> keeps me off the skreets
[14:49:17] <zeeshan> give me your moneys
[14:49:18] <PetefromTn_> What am I chopped liver?
[14:49:20] <zeeshan> :D
[14:49:47] <Connor> ssi
[14:49:51] <ssi> you know... "normal" friends
[14:49:52] <ssi> ;)
[14:49:56] <ssi> Connor
[14:49:56] <Connor> why do you have more space at the hanger?
[14:50:03] <ssi> I picked up a third hangar
[14:50:12] <Connor> a THIRD ?
[14:50:20] <ssi> yeah
[14:50:32] <ssi> and I convinced the guy next to me to swap with me for A4
[14:50:37] <ssi> so now I have A1, A2, A3 in a row
[14:50:42] <PetefromTn_> before you know it he will have like a WALMART full of retrofit machined down there..
[14:50:51] <ssi> plan is to put the cherokee in A3, put the RV in A2, and make A1 all machine shop
[14:51:25] <PetefromTn_> Got a call from the guy I used to work with.
[14:51:34] <Connor> What did you have before you swapped ?
[14:51:41] <ssi> A1 and A4
[14:51:44] <PetefromTn_> He said he wanted to know if I was interested in buying some bulk carbide drills...
[14:51:47] <ssi> and I sorta had A3, but it was in dan's name
[14:51:54] <PetefromTn_> I was like hell yeah man...
[14:51:55] <ssi> dan dropped it, and I picked it up
[14:52:00] <ssi> PetefromTn_: shit man I might want some
[14:52:16] <PetefromTn_> he is bringing over a container with them tonight for me to peruse.
[14:52:19] <Connor> Are they interconnected ?
[14:52:28] <PetefromTn_> he said they are selling by the pound LOL
[14:52:30] <ssi> Connor: they're adjacent, and I can take panels down in between
[14:52:35] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yeah that's pretty common
[14:52:43] <PetefromTn_> he said many are TSC
[14:52:46] <Connor> ssi Cool
[14:52:50] <ssi> I wish I had tsc :/
[14:52:59] <PetefromTn_> mine machine has it as an option.
[14:53:04] <ssi> mine does too
[14:53:07] <ssi> but I don't have the option
[14:53:09] <PetefromTn_> I have considered trying to get it setup
[14:53:15] <ssi> and from what I've seen of the books, it doesn't look trivial to add
[14:53:17] <PetefromTn_> not sure what would be entailed
[14:53:32] <ssi> the cabling in the Z cable chain is different
[14:53:35] <PetefromTn_> the coolant lines are already up there.
[14:53:35] <ssi> different coolant trays and pump
[14:53:46] <ssi> it's a much higher pressure system I think
[14:53:47] <PetefromTn_> coolant trays?
[14:53:54] <ssi> yeah, on my machine the tray is different
[14:53:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah would have to upgrade the pump
[14:53:59] <ssi> for tsc
[14:54:21] <PetefromTn_> might need to somehow regulate the flood coolant from the TSC coolant
[14:54:30] <PetefromTn_> it makes a HUGE difference when drilling holes.
[14:54:35] <ssi> yeah
[14:54:38] <ssi> pressurized chip removal
[14:54:54] <PetefromTn_> Those carbide drilles with TSC can be fed stupid fast
[14:55:15] <PetefromTn_> we did it a lot in the shop I worked in and it is impressive to say the least.
[14:55:29] <ssi> I'm sure
[14:55:37] <ssi> I want to get a decent facemill
[14:55:43] <ssi> and chaw on some aluminomnomnoms
[14:56:33] <ssi> I am dying to see what a 15hp 10krpm spindle does for material removal with the right tools :D
[14:56:47] <PetefromTn_> I actually just use my flycutter and it makes a beauty finish..
[14:56:59] <Connor> what's TSC ?
[14:57:07] <ssi> through-spindle coolant
[14:57:08] <PetefromTn_> Thru spindle coolant
[14:57:21] <Connor> Oh.
[14:58:47] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN1_Tszqn_c
[14:59:03] <ssi> haha did you guys see this?
[14:59:03] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0smYN8IQAAoOMv.jpg:large
[14:59:09] <ssi> that's the drop from last night's gasket cycle
[14:59:34] <PetefromTn_> LOL you makin' a hammock?
[14:59:38] <ssi> hahah yes
[15:00:41] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAqQNuiJNrA Holy crap! LOL
[15:05:21] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYR8X6fndc CNC machine pron...!! Jeez that is insane fast.
[15:05:58] <JT-Shop> your supposed to be working Pete not watching machine porn
[15:06:35] <ssi> dammit pete now I feel inadequate
[15:06:51] <PetefromTn_> Well you're right JT but right now I make everything I needed to make and I wish I had work to do hehehe I am hoping to hear from a customer early in the week next week that MIGHT be promising.
[15:07:13] <PetefromTn_> Hell yeah right. Makes my shit feel turtle slow...LAZY turtle slow LOL
[15:07:15] <ssi> hm do they make ACME thread mills?
[15:07:40] <PetefromTn_> but they probably paid more for the coolant than I have in my whole machine.
[15:07:57] <ssi> they probably made more off that one job than you have in your whole machine :P
[15:08:09] <PetefromTn_> I would hope they made a lot more than that...
[15:08:21] <PetefromTn_> Gonna need to to pay for that badass machine LOL
[15:08:33] <ssi> :)
[15:08:47] <PetefromTn_> That is my hope tho to get some jobs like that so I can work my way up to a machine like that
[15:08:50] <ssi> did you see the high-speed video of chips that someone posted here the other day?
[15:09:00] <PetefromTn_> Brother drill and taps are crazy fast
[15:09:10] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oHlyF0skNE
[15:09:12] <CaptHindsight> double arm ATC mechanism system reduces tool-to-tool tool changes to 0.9 seconds
[15:09:14] <PetefromTn_> but they are pretty expensive for one that capable.
[15:09:39] <PetefromTn_> most of those drill and taps don't even use arm toolchangers it is like a round turret head.
[15:10:09] <PetefromTn_> Now that is freakin' cool....
[15:10:20] <CaptHindsight> maybe belt load them like 20mm rounds in a cannon
[15:10:28] <PetefromTn_> I need some of those inserts when I get my lathe CNC
[15:11:03] <PetefromTn_> I know right..almost sounds like a gunshot when it changes tools
[15:11:36] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43DrVzlPnA
[15:11:36] <zeeshan> ROFL
[15:11:37] <PetefromTn_> That monster will probably finish the whole damn part in the time it takes me to change a single tool LOL
[15:11:55] <Jymmm> Eeesh, you people and your crappy p0rn! Now, this is some QUALITY p0rn baby... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qHR_H_2cg
[15:12:50] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that aint nothing
[15:12:51] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJj--xTL_A
[15:13:26] <PetefromTn_> jeez did you see that millhead at about the 1 minute mark...
[15:13:34] <ssi> I wonder if there are people out there whose whole job is coming up with crazy ass parts to make to show the capabilities of machines
[15:14:05] <zeeshan> these matsuura lx series
[15:14:07] <zeeshan> use linear motors
[15:14:16] <Jymmm> zeeshan: 5 axis, that's it? Not a bad try at least.
[15:14:24] <zeeshan> jymm
[15:14:27] <zeeshan> but almost 4000 ipm
[15:14:28] <zeeshan> !
[15:14:34] <zeeshan> 60,000 rpm spindle
[15:14:36] <PetefromTn_> I wonder what a crash on a monster like that costs...
[15:14:47] <ssi> you don't crash it
[15:14:55] <ssi> if you crash it, you find another job
[15:15:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh of course not.. ;)
[15:15:46] <ssi> Jymmm: god the hobbing
[15:15:47] <ssi> crazy
[15:16:11] <zeeshan> man i cant wait to get this machine running
[15:16:16] <zeeshan> i wanna try out all these thread mills
[15:16:22] <zeeshan> finally can make use of em!
[15:16:27] <ssi> send me some
[15:17:07] <zeeshan> this guy had a box of insert ingersoll threadmills
[15:17:16] <Jymmm> zeeshan: 60K RPM is good for nonferrous materials,
[15:17:18] <zeeshan> didnt know wtf they were
[15:17:25] <ssi> jeez
[15:17:28] <zeeshan> till only a couple weeks ago
[15:17:29] <zeeshan> haha
[15:17:45] <zeeshan> i thoughbt it was a mini hair brush
[15:17:46] <zeeshan> :)
[15:17:54] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Damn you're right man my pron sucks in comparison :D
[15:18:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: LOL
[15:18:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: And haven't even shown you the John Holmes/Ron Jeremy versions yet =)
[15:18:36] <ssi> PetefromTn_: just don't even think about what the cam for that is like
[15:18:53] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure it costs more than my house..
[15:19:11] <PetefromTn_> aah hell just hand code it :p
[15:19:23] <ssi> yeah that'll work :P
[15:19:39] <ssi> I've always wanted to try synchronized x motion on a lathe for turning trigons and such
[15:19:54] <zeeshan> ssi
[15:20:00] <zeeshan> i was thinking at some point hooking up a live spindle
[15:20:01] <zeeshan> in the QCTP
[15:20:07] <PetefromTn_> checkout 6:51 thats is really cool
[15:20:12] <zeeshan> and somehow using PID to eliminate slip
[15:20:16] <zeeshan> and using the vfd to index..
[15:20:17] <ssi> the broaching?
[15:20:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[15:20:30] <PetefromTn_> that bitch can do it all...
[15:20:36] <ssi> zeeshan: that's what we have to figure out for spindle orientation on our vmcs
[15:20:46] <ssi> it's fine for orient, might not be so great for livetooling
[15:20:52] <ssi> cause you really need to hold it rigidly in position
[15:20:54] <zeeshan> yes
[15:20:57] <zeeshan> so you'd hook up a brake
[15:20:57] <ssi> and induction motors won't do that well
[15:21:01] <ssi> yeah you'd need a brake
[15:21:05] <zeeshan> i was thinking mechanical brake
[15:21:07] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgdA7XbZxbQ
[15:21:09] <ssi> my hnc had a brake actually but I removed it
[15:21:11] <zeeshan> literally a disc brake..
[15:21:12] <zeeshan> lol
[15:21:21] <PetefromTn_> or that chain driven pneumatic indexing setup from the video I sent you..
[15:21:28] <ssi> yea
[15:21:36] <PetefromTn_> that was pretty kickass...
[15:21:56] <PetefromTn_> and homebuilt
[15:22:55] <ssi> ding fries are done! brb
[15:25:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4 maybe this principal for a tool changer
[15:30:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmUfiPRrbMw Naah more like this...LOL
[15:33:23] <CaptHindsight> so fast you don't even see them
[15:34:43] <PetefromTn_> I have heard and seen that in person in Guantanamo Bay Cuba when we were there for refresher training when I was stationed aboard the USCGC Steadfast years ago and let me tell you even from hundreds of yards away it is quite impressive....
[15:35:07] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a very loud machine more than a gun really...
[15:40:05] <ssi> I gotta figure out how I'm going to count these parts
[15:40:14] <ssi> thought about doing it by weight but I don't think that's gonna work
[15:40:36] <zeeshan> why
[15:40:45] <ssi> because I didn't strip the chad out of all of them
[15:40:51] <ssi> so they'll weigh heavier than they actually are
[15:41:06] <zeeshan> lets say you have a 1000
[15:41:23] <zeeshan> you think all that crap will end up weighing more than one part? :P
[15:41:27] <ssi> yes
[15:41:42] <zeeshan> shoulda kept a counter!
[15:41:46] <zeeshan> when you were machining :P
[15:42:08] <ssi> I did
[15:42:12] <ssi> but I didn't have 100% yield
[15:42:18] <zeeshan> o
[15:43:20] <ssi> eh maybe I'll do it by weight anyway, and just estimate the amount of overage due to chad and err in their favor
[15:46:07] <ssi> k well while I'm cutting, I need to get back around to verilog and try to sort out this commutation nonsense
[15:47:02] <PetefromTn_> can't you just stack em in a nice rigid box and count the stack height and number of stacks? There are not THAT many..
[15:47:26] <ssi> that'll work for the acrylic parts, but not so much for the silicone ones
[15:47:31] <ssi> and yeah there really are that many :(
[15:47:35] <ssi> 25,000 is a lot of damn parts
[15:48:42] <SpeedEvil> ssi: What you need is to make a little CNC part picker
[15:49:14] <ssi> yessss
[15:49:20] <ssi> delta arm with a vacuum nozzle
[15:49:30] <ssi> god now I want to do that
[15:49:32] <ssi> thanks a pantload
[15:49:33] <ssi> :D
[15:50:40] <ssi> I could seriously make a delta arm that mounts overhead of the laser, and when the cycle is done, the gantry retracts out of the way and the arm would pick and stack all the parts into boxes
[15:52:11] <PetefromTn_> you could buy that little pick and place machine they had up in that dealers shop LOL
[15:52:19] <ssi> I want that thing
[15:52:23] <ssi> but it'd be too small for this :)
[15:52:32] <ssi> I honestly considered riding back up there and trying to grab it
[15:52:34] <PetefromTn_> I know you do hehe
[15:53:05] <PetefromTn_> well if you can get a trailer I will drive up with you and we can get em both...
[15:53:17] <ssi> I don't have access to a trailer big enough for your lathe
[15:53:26] <PetefromTn_> any car trailer would work.
[15:53:27] <ssi> but the little picknplace would go on my utility trailer ok
[15:53:48] <ssi> my car won't pull a trailer big enough for your lathe :)
[15:53:56] <ssi> I mean it probably will
[15:54:00] <ssi> but some safety nazi will give me shit about it
[15:54:09] <PetefromTn_> NO we will take the bronco..
[15:54:24] <ssi> sounds expensive ;)
[15:54:33] <PetefromTn_> you drive up here, we rent a trailer and split the cost and drive up there and getem
[15:54:48] <PetefromTn_> I figured it would be like $150.00 in fuel both ways.
[15:54:58] <PetefromTn_> for the whole round trip.
[15:55:24] <ssi> hehe see I can drive to louisville and back from atlanta for half that in fuel
[15:55:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah but you would only be paying for half the fuel LOL
[15:56:06] <ssi> plus the fuel up to you and back dragging a different trailer!
[15:56:20] <PetefromTn_> well I guess not then LOL
[15:56:26] <ssi> hahaha
[15:57:06] <ssi> seriously though, its 398 miles from my house to louisville, 800 miles / 50mpg is 16 gal * 3.50/gal is $56 in fuel round trip
[15:57:09] <ssi> :D
[15:59:23] <PetefromTn_> not towing that machine and trailer it's not LOL
[15:59:30] <ssi> eh it'll be 46 prolly
[15:59:49] <ssi> I bet I could average over 50 pulling the trailer if I Was willing to go 62mph or less the whole way
[16:00:09] <ssi> I got 59mpg average over 800 miles at 62mph once
[16:00:16] <PetefromTn_> well the offer stands I need to get that machine here somehow so I will be going that way anyways...
[16:00:17] <ssi> and the diesel really doesn't care about the load
[16:00:31] <ssi> are you doing it tomorrow?
[16:00:41] <PetefromTn_> possibly..
[16:00:47] <ssi> I don't think I can get up there tomorrow
[16:00:57] <ssi> if nothing else, let me know if he still has it
[16:01:05] <PetefromTn_> dunno if he will open on Sunday...
[16:01:23] <PetefromTn_> he agreed to meet me even on the weekend to load it if I gave him enough notice tho..
[16:01:23] <ssi> I promised podponics I'd get these 5000 parts cut this weekend
[16:01:37] <ssi> how much is it to rent a trailer?
[16:01:53] <PetefromTn_> not sure probably like $75.00 or so.
[16:01:58] <ssi> that's not terribl
[16:02:04] <PetefromTn_> At least I rented a UHAUL car trailer awhile back for that much.
[16:02:14] <ssi> how are you gonna unload at your end?
[16:02:27] <PetefromTn_> I'll get it off... trust me LOL
[16:02:58] <ssi> I wonder what the li'l picknplace guy weighs
[16:03:02] <ssi> we'd have to trailerswap it if we did that
[16:03:15] <ssi> it can't be more than 1000lb tho
[16:03:28] <PetefromTn_> I doubt it is even that much.
[16:03:31] <ssi> yeah me too
[16:03:46] <PetefromTn_> We can use my engine crane to lift it most likely.
[16:03:57] <PetefromTn_> piece of crumb cake.
[16:04:04] <PetefromTn_> Up for another drive hehe?
[16:04:39] <PetefromTn_> My wife would actually prefer I went by myself and having someone to chat with about CNC shit makes the time go by LOL
[16:06:12] <ssi> I'm certainly willing to do it, I'm just not sure tomorrow is feasible
[16:06:15] <ssi> I'd have to pretty much come up now
[16:06:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah you probably would.
[16:06:40] <ssi> and I have 130 miles round trip to fetch my trailer before I can do that
[16:06:48] <PetefromTn_> you can crash here and we would head out in the morning.
[16:06:59] <ssi> and it's friday rush hour, which means I'd either have to wait til 8pm to go get the trailer, or it'll take me 5 hours to fetch it
[16:07:29] <PetefromTn_> lets PM this...
[16:08:49] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:32] <zeeshan> anyone have experience with hydraulic power packs?
[16:25:49] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJt2tGszp6U.
[16:25:51] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJt2tGszp6U
[16:27:00] <zeeshan> we hads those robots at gates
[16:27:05] <zeeshan> they were placing bolts
[16:27:06] <zeeshan> lol
[16:27:07] <zeeshan> poor things
[16:27:09] <ssi> heheh
[16:27:14] <zeeshan> all day long, placing bolts
[16:27:16] <zeeshan> how sad of a job is that
[16:27:18] <ssi> I need to build one to clear my bed after a cycle!
[16:27:23] <ssi> I built a linear delta robot once upon a time
[16:27:49] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/577596_10100133843429202_1708616203_n.jpg?oh=2e125230a0b4655782a7310c97ce6cb5&oe=54F260D3
[16:28:14] <zeeshan> nice
[16:28:30] <zeeshan> ssi wtf is your job
[16:28:33] <ssi> oh here's this pic
[16:28:34] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/904501_10100127757156142_1721581625_o.jpg
[16:28:38] <zeeshan> you do too much electronics to do be working at turner
[16:28:39] <zeeshan> haha
[16:28:44] <ssi> :P
[16:29:05] <ssi> these days I'm a scale architect
[16:29:07] <zeeshan> do you deal with their electronics?
[16:29:10] <ssi> no
[16:29:11] <ssi> software
[16:29:15] <zeeshan> ah
[16:29:20] <ssi> software's where all the money is
[16:29:25] <zeeshan> what made you get into electrical stuff?
[16:29:32] <ssi> something I've always dabbled in
[16:29:42] <zeeshan> bs dabbled in
[16:29:47] <ssi> I'm sure you've heard the saying
[16:29:47] <zeeshan> its more than that! :P
[16:30:02] <ssi> mechanical engineers make weapons, civil engineers make targets
[16:30:11] <ssi> there's more to that saying:
[16:30:15] <ssi> software engineers make MONEY
[16:30:18] <zeeshan> hahaha
[16:30:35] <zeeshan> i havent heard that one :P
[16:30:58] <ssi> so that last pic I linked, of the hangars
[16:31:02] <ssi> is from awhile back
[16:31:06] <ssi> but that's A3 and A4
[16:31:09] <ssi> looking to the right are A2 and A3
[16:31:12] <ssi> I now have A1 thru A3
[16:32:18] <zeeshan> tons of space :P
[16:32:26] <ssi> it fills up quickly
[16:32:32] <ssi> airplanes take up awkward space
[16:32:52] <zeeshan> stupid question
[16:32:57] <zeeshan> but where the heck is the door
[16:33:04] <ssi> they slide
[16:33:05] <zeeshan> it slides over the next guys hanger?
[16:33:05] <ssi> overlap
[16:33:06] <zeeshan> lol
[16:33:10] <ssi> yeah
[16:33:13] <zeeshan> that would make me mad!
[16:33:13] <zeeshan> haha
[16:33:16] <ssi> heheh
[16:33:22] <ssi> well now all three of my hangars overlap each other
[16:33:29] <ssi> the A3 door completely covers A2
[16:33:32] <Connor> I'm guessing they're is a hanger on the other side ?
[16:33:40] <ssi> Connor: yeah
[16:33:42] <ssi> they nest
[16:33:48] <Connor> Nesting T's ?
[16:33:51] <ssi> as a result, there's weird half-hangar dead space at either end
[16:33:51] <ssi> yeah
[16:34:00] <ssi> and A1 has one of those half-hangars
[16:34:02] <ssi> it's like an office
[16:34:09] <zeeshan> man im trying to figure out how this hydraulic unit works
[16:34:18] <ssi> my benches, compressor, fridge, sandblast cabinet, and bearing press are in there
[16:34:19] <zeeshan> theres 4 wires, l1 l2 l3 ground
[16:34:22] <ssi> plus a couch and astorage room
[16:34:22] <zeeshan> then theres 2 wires and antoehr 2wires
[16:34:26] <zeeshan> going to some sort of switches
[16:34:32] <zeeshan> on the power pack itself
[16:34:43] <ssi> zeeshan: just start hooking stuff up and see what happens :D
[16:34:44] <zeeshan> im starting to hate reverse engineering this shit
[16:34:48] <zeeshan> i wish i had the manual.
[16:34:57] <zeeshan> nahh man i dont wanna blow it up
[16:34:58] <zeeshan> haha
[16:35:03] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/dd2OCGU.jpg
[16:35:11] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_W2r3LANShQ#t=276 - reconditioning a hydraulic cylinder
[16:35:12] <zeeshan> im assuming that big ass block is the valve body
[16:35:16] <Connor> Get the hanger on the back side.. and remove the panels.
[16:35:43] <ssi> Connor: I would love to have B1 or B2 instead of A3
[16:35:46] <ssi> but it's not in the cards :/
[16:36:15] <ssi> SpeedEvil: holy crap
[16:36:19] <Connor> Don't think you could convince B1 or B2 to swap ?
[16:36:24] <ssi> no
[16:36:27] <ssi> B1 definitely not
[16:36:29] <ssi> I dunno who's in B2
[16:36:36] <Connor> By not B1 ?
[16:36:39] <Connor> Ass hole ?
[16:36:40] <ssi> it's a delta pilot
[16:36:44] <ssi> they're all self absorbed pricks
[16:36:47] <ssi> and he has a ton of crap in there
[16:38:26] <PetefromTn_> what a jerk, guy has hangars with lots of crap in them LOL
[16:38:42] <ssi> he's not a jerk for having crap in his hangar
[16:38:47] <ssi> he's just a jerk :)
[16:39:00] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[16:41:36] <PetefromTn_> Whats a good chinese dish OTHER than Shrimp with Lobster Sauce, Kung Pao, General Tso and lo mein? Trying to decide on order and wanna try something new LOL
[16:44:37] <zeeshan> wow
[16:44:48] <zeeshan> so a guy wanted my number on ebay seeing my pl 110b ad
[16:44:51] <zeeshan> he calls me, he's like
[16:45:02] <zeeshan> he'll give me $100 for the cable that goes from the pl to the heidenhain controller
[16:45:03] <zeeshan> lol
[16:45:10] <zeeshan> he's been looking for it everywhere and they dont make a replacement
[16:45:26] <zeeshan> damn old controls
[16:45:28] <ssi> dang
[16:45:36] <ssi> yeah that's why I had no interest in trying to run my old control as is
[16:45:45] <ssi> I wish I'd get some movement on my control parts :/
[16:45:46] <zeeshan> i'm glad you pushed me to get the amc drives..
[16:45:54] <ssi> yeah man, screw running old drives
[16:46:05] <ssi> (he says, while still running the Hiak drives in his hnc)
[16:46:47] <PetefromTn_> no chinese recommends?
[16:46:50] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[16:52:27] <PetefromTn_> MMmmmm Crab Rangoon... :P
[16:58:04] <_DannyK_> The boss today, put on a pair of gloves to handle copper and asked, "Did I tell you about the new healthcare plan?"
[16:59:40] <ssi> there's really weird noises coming from my neighbors across the streuet
[16:59:47] <ssi> it sounds like they have a puma trapped in a garbage can
[16:59:58] <PetefromTn_> fighting cats?
[17:00:07] <ssi> I only hear one
[17:00:12] <ssi> and it's making a lot of ruckus like it's in something
[17:00:13] <_DannyK_> Have you ever heard a puma in a garbage can?
[17:00:30] <PetefromTn_> my neighborhood has several stray cats and they sometimes get into it and it sounds pretty amazingly violent for not much damage hehe
[17:00:45] <ssi> _DannyK_: what's it to you?!
[17:01:27] <PetefromTn_> you would probably need a pretty big garbage can and some brave bastard to try to put it in there LOL
[17:01:30] <ssi> heehhe
[17:02:07] <_DannyK_> ssi: I'm just wondering the kinds of experience you had... I would be interested in that one.... :P
[17:02:19] <ssi> if I have, I'm taking it to the grave ;)
[17:02:37] <_DannyK_> oh, that isn't fair!
[17:03:03] <ssi> anyone around that knows a little about hall commutation?
[17:03:33] <_DannyK_> Like a hall sensor?
[17:04:01] <ssi> like a hall sensor, but with lots of other important things happening with the motors and the spinning
[17:04:37] <_DannyK_> oh, a quadrature hall effect sensor on a motor?
[17:04:39] <PetefromTn_> well looks like it's gonna be General Tso's Chicken, Shrimp fried Rice and Sweet and Sour Chicken with a side of Crab Rangoon and Egg rolls YUMM!
[17:04:54] <ssi> in the ballpark, but they're not quadrature
[17:05:07] <ssi> they're 120 degree sensors that overlap with six states
[17:05:16] <_DannyK_> oh those, I hate those
[17:05:33] <PetefromTn_> Freakin' Fanuc ;)
[17:05:34] <_DannyK_> Fist industrial machine I've ever worked on had those
[17:05:38] <ssi> the parker gemini manuals has a procedure for determining the correctness of hallstates by applying voltage to phases in a particular order
[17:05:48] <_DannyK_> First*
[17:05:50] <ssi> but its instructions are given in THALL state number, which is particular to those drives
[17:06:08] <ssi> and I'm trying to figure out how to correlate their THALL states to the actual lines
[17:06:14] <ssi> so I can verify my commutation pattern
[17:07:22] <_DannyK_> I've done little work as to see if the sensor is working correctly, other then change the 2 sensors and see if it work now
[17:07:39] <ssi> ooh maybe the chart in their manual will help me
[17:08:28] <ssi> looks like THALL 1 should be AbC
[17:10:39] <ssi> then Abc, ABc, aBc, aBC, abC, AbC
[17:11:19] <_DannyK_> Hopefully, this isn't related to your production run you started last night...
[17:11:34] <ssi> haha no
[17:11:45] <ssi> this is me working on my VMC retrofit while the laser runs :)
[17:12:33] <_DannyK_> good...
[17:13:00] <ssi> the laser is little steppers
[17:13:03] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X2CvNz7tdw&feature=youtu.be Hehe for when you absolutely positively have to saw that squirrel that has been eating your wife's vegetable garden clean in half LOL...
[17:18:54] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: are there any fully automatic paintball guns?
[17:19:11] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure but I am not a paintballer.
[17:19:39] <MrHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kRWR7sJPu4 guess so
[17:19:41] <ssi> 14 shots in an automatic? what kind of crap is that
[17:19:43] <PetefromTn_> I have seen a few guys convert paint ball guns into pellet rifles and they are actually pretty cool..
[17:19:50] <PetefromTn_> I know right.
[17:19:55] <PetefromTn_> Need a belt fed bastard
[17:20:00] <PetefromTn_> :0
[17:21:42] <MrHindsight> .50 Caliber Modified Pinokio Paintball Hopper (700+ rounds!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0D_88_X1Kc
[17:23:12] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxS14nGTjs
[17:25:02] <PetefromTn_> That M134 BB minigun is wicked cool. I think I need one of those in my life but I cannot imagine what the hell for hehe
[17:25:45] <MrHindsight> just for making videos of things being torn apart
[17:27:16] <MrHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JovO416NU whats the cost per round?
[17:27:56] <PetefromTn_> probably a bit more than BB's huh
[17:28:05] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Making 1/2" or so holes?
[17:28:26] <SpeedEvil> 8mm
[17:28:34] <PetefromTn_> Good for meltin' down barrels tho I guess
[17:29:33] <ssi> thing's still screaming
[17:31:04] <ssi> holy crap I'm hungry all of a sudden
[17:31:09] <ssi> might have to be a pizza delivery kind of night
[17:31:50] <MrHindsight> pizza cannon
[17:31:54] <ssi> :D
[17:32:03] <PetefromTn_> CHINESE DAMNIT!
[17:32:08] <ssi> I'm not big on chinese delivery
[17:33:06] <zeeshan> do you guys have a delivery chicken place
[17:33:08] <zeeshan> we have swiss chalet
[17:33:14] <ssi> no :(
[17:33:27] <zeeshan> doh
[17:33:32] <zeeshan> i cant eat chinese anymore
[17:33:35] <zeeshan> frigging msg owns me hard
[17:33:59] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: depends on the city, in NYC I can have deliveries made to my car
[17:34:10] <zeeshan> haha MrHindsight that is sweet
[17:35:28] <zeeshan> druckschalter - pressure switch
[17:35:50] <zeeshan> HMM
[17:36:17] <zeeshan> getting close in figuring out this hydraulic mystery
[17:37:23] <MrHindsight> but in China it's difficult to find a restaurant that delivers :)
[17:37:49] <ssi> lo
[17:37:56] <ssi> in soviet china, restaurant deliver you!
[17:38:06] <MrHindsight> heh
[17:38:28] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM What about this guy?
[17:38:43] <ssi> um
[17:38:46] <ssi> it's a pig or a lamb
[17:38:50] <ssi> I think they're going to slaughter it
[17:39:18] <MrHindsight> street food is everywhere there
[17:39:36] <MrHindsight> i wish there was more of that here
[17:40:35] <zeeshan> dieser hydrospeicher entspricht den anforderungen der druckbehalterverordnung. Die vorgeschriebene druckprufung ergab keine beanstandungen
[17:40:40] <zeeshan> can somene translate this properly
[17:40:44] <zeeshan> his hydraulic accumulator complies with the requirements of druckbehalterverordnung . The prescribed druckprufung revealed no client complaints
[17:40:47] <zeeshan> i got that so far
[17:41:02] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: https://www.swisschalet.com/ haven't seen those before
[17:42:17] <zeeshan> i guess druck means pressure :)
[17:42:31] <zeeshan> gionna eat ill be back :D
[17:42:34] <zeeshan> swiss chalet!!
[17:43:43] <ssi> PIZZA ORDERED
[17:44:39] <PetefromTn_> Chinese food is HERE!!
[17:45:02] <_DannyK_> PIZZA in the oven is DONE!
[17:46:51] <PetefromTn_> I love makin' home made pizza...
[18:07:20] <CaptHindsight> what's the current best way to have a 2nd PC control Linuxcnc over a network?
[18:08:00] <CaptHindsight> use tight/VNC?
[18:09:21] <SpeedEvil> a linux PC?
[18:09:32] <CaptHindsight> yes, the 2nd is also Linux
[18:09:37] <SpeedEvil> Can't you just export the display?
[18:11:10] <CaptHindsight> what I eventually need to do is have the Linux PC on the network have control over the Linuxcnc machine, including permissions
[18:12:28] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: using ssh ?
[18:23:36] <SpeedEvil> or just straight X
[18:23:49] <zeeshan> okay guys
[18:24:03] <zeeshan> theres 3 main electrical components on the hydraulic power pack
[18:24:11] <zeeshan> electric motor, pressure switch, and solenoid valve
[18:24:26] <zeeshan> is the pressure switch supposed to trip a contactor which kills power to the pump?
[18:24:47] <zeeshan> similar to an air compressor
[18:25:14] <SpeedEvil> seems likely
[18:25:35] <zeeshan> i find that a bit weird
[18:25:43] <zeeshan> like why would they not have some sort of internal relief valve
[18:25:44] <SpeedEvil> Or if the switch is properly rated - it may simply be put in series with the motor
[18:25:48] <SpeedEvil> It depends
[18:25:48] <zeeshan> when it overpressurizes?
[18:25:52] <SpeedEvil> it might do
[18:26:02] <zeeshan> or are they trying to stop the pump from unnecessarily working
[18:26:08] <SpeedEvil> possibly
[18:26:11] <zeeshan> it does have an accumulator
[18:26:16] <zeeshan> so it stores some of that pressurized fluid..
[18:26:20] <ssi> probably has a popoff valve but it's not designed to be used to normally regulate the pressure
[18:27:22] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: if it was rated to handle the motor currents
[18:27:24] <zeeshan> i think it'd be already in series
[18:27:30] <zeeshan> from what i can tell
[18:27:32] <SpeedEvil> likely
[18:27:36] <zeeshan> the old wires went to a contactor
[18:28:04] <zeeshan> im assuming this..
[18:28:11] <zeeshan> that you pass +24VDC through the pressure switch
[18:28:25] <zeeshan> which is likely normally closed
[18:28:35] <zeeshan> and asap the pressure switch hits some value, the switch opens
[18:28:39] <zeeshan> and trips the contactor
[18:28:54] <zeeshan> ill check with an ohmmeter to see if its normally closed
[18:29:12] <zeeshan> i wish this thing had some sort of gauge on it to show pressure.
[18:31:05] <SpeedEvil> no reason not to add one
[18:31:25] <zeeshan> it might not be too easy
[18:31:29] <zeeshan> unless there is already a port on the valve block
[18:31:57] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:32:18] <zeeshan> maybe T it in between the accumualtor
[18:32:20] <zeeshan> and the valve body
[18:32:21] <zeeshan> hmm
[18:32:24] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/dd2OCGU.jpg
[18:32:29] <zeeshan> where that orange bottle meets the valve
[18:32:49] <zeeshan> i can see why this thing is surrounded by 1/8" plate
[18:32:53] <zeeshan> just incase it blows up!
[18:32:54] <zeeshan> haha
[18:33:28] <zeeshan> jeez that solenoid valve is $427!!
[18:33:29] <zeeshan> haha
[18:39:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: is that a hydraulic pump?
[18:39:43] <zeeshan> yes
[18:40:05] <CaptHindsight> I didn't notice that your mill used hydraulics
[18:40:17] <zeeshan> :/
[18:40:26] <CaptHindsight> for the ATC, chuck?
[18:40:37] <zeeshan> drawbar
[18:41:18] <CaptHindsight> nice
[19:41:42] <cathode> hi guys.
[19:41:57] <zeeshan> hi
[19:45:55] <Tom_itx> hi
[19:46:02] <Tom_itx> just to make it plural :D
[19:48:17] <ssi> hi
[19:48:27] <ssi> I don't like odd numbers
[19:50:49] <andypugh> Odd numbers are the best, especially primes.
[19:52:21] <Tom_itx> what's andy been up to?
[19:53:23] <zeeshan> 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 25 27 29 31 33 35
[19:53:26] <zeeshan> i got tired
[19:58:02] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Today I was mainly making an adaptor so that I can screw my M33 chucks onto the 1 1/8 x 16 nose of my dividing head.
[19:59:23] <andypugh> And then I will be making a large batch of face-clutch nuts and gears for the foot-starter of the Ner-a-Car: http://youtu.be/86MN3CN7Aiw?list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
[19:59:48] <cathode> sometimes i wonder if maybe we'll finally convert to metric in the USA in the next 20 years or so... we have a generation of kids growing up that are routinely exposed to metric in videogames
[20:00:06] <roycroft> convert for the third time, you mean?
[20:00:47] <cathode> lol
[20:00:50] <cathode> sure
[20:00:52] <andypugh> Given that the units are arbitrary, but the maths gets easier, the only reasons not to are expense.
[20:01:09] <cathode> the units aren't really arbitrary
[20:01:36] <roycroft> we only conver to si units in the '70s
[20:01:38] <roycroft> convert
[20:01:44] <roycroft> so we have about 60 years go to before we do it again
[20:01:59] <andypugh> The UK only changed when we realised that we were not the world’s biggest manufacturer any more. Perhaps when the US realsies the same thing, and that they don’t get to make their own rules any more/
[20:02:18] <zeeshan> whats wrong with imperial units?
[20:02:31] <roycroft> nobody uses them, for one thing
[20:02:38] <zeeshan> ??
[20:02:47] <andypugh> Nothing is _wrong_ with them, but the stupidly varying number bases is silly.
[20:02:49] <roycroft> we use american customary units
[20:02:49] <zeeshan> tons of industry uses em
[20:02:53] <roycroft> not imperial
[20:02:59] <zeeshan> it's really not hard to convert between both systems
[20:03:03] <zeeshan> dont complain :P
[20:03:32] <cathode> i would be happy if i could say "it's 1.5 meters long" and the person i was talking to would at least have an idea of what that meant
[20:03:51] <roycroft> andypugh: we have the added problem of being even more jingoistic and xenophobic than the brits
[20:04:03] <andypugh> decimal inches to mm is trivial. Feet and fractional inches less so.
[20:04:04] <zeeshan> i understand feet more than m
[20:04:10] <zeeshan> north american stock is in feet.
[20:04:11] <zeeshan> not meters
[20:04:14] <Tom_itx> andypugh there must be a shortage of those parts?
[20:04:21] <zeeshan> 2.54
[20:04:22] <zeeshan> 25.4
[20:04:23] <roycroft> you understand yards, don't you?
[20:04:27] <zeeshan> not hard to understand :P
[20:04:32] <Tom_itx> i thought you were done with that project...
[20:04:36] <zeeshan> roycroft: its close to 100m
[20:04:39] <roycroft> yards/meters are almost the same for small measurements
[20:04:39] <zeeshan> so yea i understand
[20:04:58] <zeeshan> i like both systems
[20:04:58] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Soon there won’t be. I am making more parts than there are vehicles for them extant (well, not really)
[20:05:07] <andypugh> I dont
[20:05:13] <roycroft> the inches to feet to miles things are weird
[20:05:33] <roycroft> but for some things, fractional units are nicer to use than decimals
[20:05:36] <andypugh> I don’t actually need these parts, mine are fine. This was an order from folk on a maling list.
[20:05:44] <zeeshan> i like fractions too :D
[20:05:51] <andypugh> I hate them.
[20:05:54] <cathode> so, i noticed that Matthias Wandel uses 'thous' (thousands of an inch) but metric measurements for everything else
[20:06:14] <cathode> are thous a common measurement for really small things in europe, too?
[20:06:16] <andypugh> I guess in thou. I measure in mm.
[20:06:19] <cathode> or is that a Canadian thing?
[20:06:25] <roycroft> i don't say anything here, or most places, about this, because it's so prevelant and not worth making a stink about
[20:06:27] <zeeshan> matthias is sweidhs
[20:06:35] <zeeshan> and micron and thou are very common
[20:06:38] <roycroft> but i absolutely hate the term "thou"
[20:06:38] <zeeshan> ive heard boith
[20:06:47] <zeeshan> why roycroft
[20:06:51] <roycroft> it makes me cringe every time i see someone spell it out or say it
[20:06:54] <zeeshan> its short for thousandths
[20:06:56] <cathode> thou
[20:06:57] <andypugh> “thou” is less confusing than “mil”
[20:07:04] <roycroft> thousandths is just fine
[20:07:06] <zeeshan> mil should be eliminated
[20:07:12] <roycroft> thou just sounds stupid to me
[20:07:14] <zeeshan> you're not gonna keep repeating thousandths! :P
[20:07:18] <zeeshan> thou is much faster
[20:07:23] <andypugh> Yeah, milli-inch is mixing your systems.
[20:07:25] <roycroft> i can't give a rational reason why i dislike it so much
[20:07:30] <Tom_itx> or tenths
[20:07:36] <roycroft> see
[20:07:42] <roycroft> for some reason, "tenth" doesn't bother me
[20:07:49] <roycroft> as short for "ten thousandth"
[20:07:52] <zeeshan> both systems are great :P
[20:07:59] <zeeshan> if i really wanna be picky
[20:08:03] <zeeshan> i can pick on 'newton'
[20:08:12] <roycroft> and no, i really won't bother trying to explain why, because i can't
[20:08:16] <andypugh> I liked “teenths” as a unit. Ok, so it was sixteenths of an ounce of something :-)
[20:08:18] <roycroft> it just bugs me
[20:08:29] <roycroft> but i will probably never say anything about it again
[20:08:29] <zeeshan> in uk is your standard stock in mm
[20:08:31] <zeeshan> or inches
[20:08:35] <cathode> one of the reasons i'd like to have digital controls on certain things that are otherwise manual, like my table saw fence, is that i want to be able to specify or have a readout in both number systems
[20:08:37] <zeeshan> cause ive been thinking its in mm
[20:08:51] <zeeshan> like can you buy 2x1/2" flat bar? :p
[20:09:07] <andypugh> zeeshan: We tend to buy 2.7 m lengths of 3x2 wood :-)
[20:09:13] <cathode> lol
[20:09:18] <zeeshan> or would it be 51 x 13 mm flat bar?
[20:09:33] <zeeshan> haha
[20:09:52] <andypugh> It depends, have a look: http://www.metals4u.co.uk
[20:09:53] <Tom_itx> we should all go back to wentworth
[20:10:04] <cathode> when you get to computer hardware it gets REALLY funky. fans are measured in mm, but other things are in inches. and 2.5" hard drives use M3 screws, but 3.5" hard drives use #6-32 screws
[20:10:15] <zeeshan> haha
[20:10:16] <zeeshan> i knew it!
[20:10:20] <zeeshan> flat bar is in mm there!
[20:10:29] <zeeshan> 50x12
[20:10:39] <andypugh> Tube comes in both.
[20:10:41] <cathode> a 19" server rack has inch spacing between the mounting holes, but the front-to-back distance is measured in mm
[20:10:52] <zeeshan> tube is an exception though :P
[20:10:55] * cathode throws hands up
[20:11:16] <andypugh> Metric pipe threads are Imperial, and whitworth thread-form..
[20:11:17] <roycroft> tube is a strange word
[20:11:24] <Connor> cathode: And don't forget the bolts. ones with tapped holes are one thing.. ones that use cage nuts use different size..
[20:11:34] <cathode> yeah
[20:11:36] <Connor> on 19" racks
[20:11:44] <cathode> i use all M6 cage nuts on my rack
[20:11:58] <cathode> unless i have to use something else (like captive screws that are 10-32)
[20:12:12] <cathode> ....which means i *still* have to stock other sizes of cage nuts
[20:12:19] <zeeshan> this metal4u place
[20:12:22] <zeeshan> is nice
[20:12:26] <zeeshan> they seem to have everything
[20:12:46] <Connor> http://www.speedymetals.com/
[20:12:56] <Connor> is were I get my metal online from.
[20:12:57] <cathode> i ordered my shaft material from speedy
[20:12:58] <andypugh> All the aluminium round at metals4u is inches, interestingly
[20:13:11] <roycroft> don't you still use bsp for your plumbing?
[20:13:12] <cathode> it was inexpensive and good quality
[20:13:13] <zeeshan> connor no local supplier?
[20:13:21] <zeeshan> ordering metal online seems expensive :P
[20:13:34] <Connor> Yes.. but.. only for shorts and cut off scrap they have..
[20:13:36] <zeeshan> if i order more than 2000
[20:13:37] <zeeshan> they'll deliver
[20:13:45] <roycroft> if you don't have a local metal purveyor ordering it online can be cheaper
[20:14:14] <roycroft> but the solution to that problem is to live in a place with a metals purveyor
[20:14:31] <cathode> zeeshan - i only needed two 1ft peices of 1-1/4" steel shaft, shipping was like $15 or so, and the shaft was $12/ft (i think?)... most of the local places won't sell to hobbyists
[20:14:53] <andypugh> BSP is the ISO standard for threaded pipe. But soldered copper plumbing is OD-sized at 8, 10, 15, 22, 38mm. (15 and 22 by far the most commonin the UK, 10 and 15 on mainland Europe where they typically use higher water pressure.
[20:14:55] <cathode> like, you have to have a contractor license or a business account with them
[20:15:11] <zeeshan> cathode: wow that sucks
[20:15:20] <andypugh> I tend to get most of my metal from eBay.
[20:15:22] <cathode> and often times there's minimum orders
[20:15:28] <zeeshan> well im from steel city
[20:15:40] <zeeshan> i have like 6 stores that retail
[20:15:46] <zeeshan> and wholesales need minimum 200
[20:15:47] <andypugh> Unless I am in a hurry and can face buying a 3m length,
[20:16:16] <roycroft> i tend to buy 10' lengths of metal, even when i only need a short piece
[20:16:20] <andypugh> I bought some box section, it came as a 7m length. I had to drag it into the street to unwrap it.
[20:16:32] <roycroft> exceptions being for ss, brass, and other expensive metals
[20:16:42] <roycroft> i can buy by the foot, but cut costs are high
[20:16:51] <roycroft> and i see it as a way to slowly build inventory
[20:17:11] <cathode> i already have too much crap in my basement. heh
[20:17:17] <cathode> storage isn't free
[20:18:10] <zeeshan> price per length (20 footer)
[20:18:12] <zeeshan> is so cheap
[20:18:18] <zeeshan> for flatbar fro example
[20:18:26] <zeeshan> ie $30
[20:18:30] <zeeshan> vs paying 22 bux for 10 feet
[20:18:30] <zeeshan> lol
[20:18:51] <andypugh> I recently found that “E J Alloys” not so far from me don’t just do alloys. They sold me some phosphor-bronze sheet (I didn’t even know it existed) and I noticed that they had steel in stock as well as plastics. Best of all, open 11am to 4pm on Saturdays.
[20:19:15] <cathode> phosphor-bronze sheet??
[20:19:22] <cathode> what did you use that for btw
[20:21:43] <cathode> in other news... whats the chances that these are going to be total garbage? http://www.ebay.com/itm/331273587914?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:21:59] <andypugh> cathode: The contacts of a replica one of these: http://www.geutskens.eu/neracar/lighting_switch.htm
[20:22:03] <zeeshan> those look like wood cutting saws
[20:22:09] <cathode> they're for metal
[20:22:15] <andypugh> It should be spring-temper copper, but that’s hard to find nowadays.
[20:23:04] <andypugh> cathode: If they are really Bosch, and bi-metal, they shoiuld be pretty good.
[20:23:22] <cathode> zeeshan - you can tell it's for metal because the teeth are slightly splayed out to either side... wood blades don't have that
[20:23:32] <cathode> andypugh - ok. i ordered 30 of them :P
[20:23:36] <zeeshan> theyre way too coarse
[20:23:37] <zeeshan> for metal
[20:23:52] <zeeshan> metal ones are at least 22 tpi
[20:23:59] <cathode> i need to cut some 3" x 3.5" x 5/16" L-channel
[20:24:12] <andypugh> That depends on how thick the metal is.
[20:24:13] <zeeshan> if its aluminum
[20:24:15] <cathode> 14tpi was reccomended all over for thicker metal (over 1/8")
[20:24:15] <zeeshan> you'll be fine
[20:24:24] <cathode> it's mild steel
[20:24:43] <zeeshan> basically the rule of thumb is
[20:24:46] <zeeshan> 3 teeth in contact
[20:24:49] <zeeshan> at all times of cutting action
[20:25:05] <andypugh> At $0.25 each you can’t go far wrong if it’s a quick-release blade holder :-)
[20:25:12] <zeeshan> haha
[20:25:16] <cathode> i should have clarified, i didn't get 30 of the same, i got a pack of the 14, a pack of 24tpi, and another pack of 14 that were bosch but a different "series"
[20:26:02] <cathode> i also got a two-pack of Hitachi 18tpi blades for cutting stainless steel
[20:26:07] <cathode> was $4.50
[20:27:01] <cathode> they're shipping from Boise, Idaho, i'm in Portland, Oregon... i might get them tomorrow. i'll report back if they're any good :P
[20:28:30] <Connor> Looking for some sort of fitting for a enclosure to pass wires in / out of said enclosure..
[20:28:41] <Connor> doesn't have to be waterproof..
[20:28:43] <cathode> Connor - grommet?
[20:29:03] <zeeshan> anti chaff?
[20:29:31] <Connor> Multiple wires.. not sure a grommet would work.. yea.. anti chaff and strain relief.
[20:29:33] <cathode> i have some rubber grommets that i used for passing ethernet cabling into an enclosure.
[20:29:42] <cathode> ah
[20:29:48] <cathode> strain relief
[20:29:49] <zeeshan> o strain relief
[20:30:01] <cathode> that's an entirely different kind of fitting :P
[20:30:46] <cathode> often times i find it's easier to just fasten the cable on the outside of the enclosure right near the point of entry
[20:31:13] <zeeshan> http://www.contractcleanersupplies.com/Merchant5/graphics/electrical/romex-wire-clamp-connector.gif
[20:31:17] <zeeshan> grab that from home depot!
[20:31:17] <zeeshan> :P
[20:31:36] <cathode> those are pretty awful tbh
[20:32:37] <cathode> there's stuff like this but it's designed for thick SJ cord typically. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leviton-L7504-3-4-Inch-Straight-Male-Steel-Body-Wide-Range-Strain-Relief-/381010058930?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58b5f81eb2
[20:32:38] <ssi> argh
[20:33:00] <zeeshan> why a re they awful?
[20:33:07] <zeeshan> theyre 2 bux a pop
[20:33:09] <zeeshan> and work
[20:33:32] <cathode> 2 bux a pop? wat. i buy them by the box of 100 and it's like $9
[20:33:33] <cathode> lol
[20:34:07] <cathode> they don't do a good job unless they're tightened so much that you feel like the cable is being damaged. i don't know that they'd work well for a bundle of smaller wires
[20:34:48] <zeeshan> theyre like 2 bux for 5
[20:34:52] <zeeshan> if you buy in small quantity
[20:35:12] <zeeshan> shrug
[20:35:12] <cathode> ah yea
[20:35:14] <zeeshan> worked for me
[20:36:16] <Connor> Just counted.. Looks like 5 -- 4 conductor, probably 18 gauge.. similar to what I used for steppers.. stranded alarm wire. and then 3 -- 2 conductor, probably 20 or 22 gauge stranded alarm wire..
[20:36:30] <Connor> I've got samples, So I can bundle that up and see how big I need.
[20:37:09] <Connor> I can always ziptie the bundle inside for a strain relief I guess. The box is plastic...
[20:37:24] <cathode> heh i love browsing the 'materials' section on my local craigslist. i don't even know what this thing does but it looks cool. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mat/4730383997.html
[20:37:32] <Connor> but, I think it would be better looking and more professional with some sort of bulk head hole breach.
[20:38:47] <zeeshan> http://store.velo-orange.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/530x530/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/e/fe-0028.jpg
[20:38:53] <zeeshan> i use these in car applications
[20:39:02] <zeeshan> for strain relief :P
[20:39:21] <cathode> yeah those are good too
[20:39:46] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1-inch-NPT-Strain-Relief-Cord-Grip-Cable-Gland-gasket-and-nut-NEW-/271290460557?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2a2be98d
[20:39:52] <Connor> That's what I'm thinking off.
[20:39:54] <cathode> i should go stock up... wow. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/mad/4683604389.html
[20:39:54] <Connor> of.
[20:40:28] <cathode> hmm, XXCoder isn't around
[20:40:36] <cathode> he was looking for 80/20 yesterday
[20:41:45] <roycroft> oh geeze
[20:41:51] <roycroft> i might have to make a run up to pdx tomorrow
[20:42:10] <cathode> oh yeah you're in salem right?
[20:42:14] <roycroft> eugene
[20:42:17] <cathode> right
[20:42:18] <cathode> sorry
[20:42:30] <roycroft> but if i can find what i need, it would be well worth the trip
[20:42:43] <roycroft> and it would be fun regardless
[20:43:18] <roycroft> i don't need a whole lot of 80/20 for this project
[20:43:35] <roycroft> but there might be other goodies there too
[20:44:57] <cathode> i have not been there (SurplusGizmos) but i frequently see interesting stuff that they post on CL
[20:54:57] <ssi> dang I wish I had something like that here
[21:01:29] <XXCoder> heys
[21:03:34] <ssi> hi
[21:04:12] <XXCoder> whats up
[21:04:27] <ssi> screwing with commutation
[21:04:41] <ssi> I completely redid the lumpy table, and I just now got it to what sounds like right
[21:04:48] <ssi> open loop, it sounds reasonably smooth in both directions
[21:05:08] <ssi> need to take another stab at the encoder commutation
[21:05:17] <ssi> ooh and it sounds like a laser cycle just finished
[21:05:33] <XXCoder> moar lazers
[21:07:20] <XXCoder> anyway cool :) sounds like you're getting close to done
[21:17:03] <ssi> done with what? :P
[21:17:04] <andypugh> cathode: The line reactor is a filter for 3-phase on a motor drive. Very CNC-relevant.
[21:17:50] <XXCoder> fine tuning your lazer machine
[21:20:39] <ssi> oh I'm not fine tuning it
[21:20:43] <ssi> it's in full production mode now
[21:23:18] <XXCoder> oh
[21:23:21] <XXCoder> cool :)
[21:26:49] <zeeshan> anyone know which way
[21:26:55] <zeeshan> a hydraulic pump is supposed to rotate?
[21:27:03] <zeeshan> i found a random arrow on the power pack
[21:27:07] <zeeshan> im assuming that direction? :p
[21:27:11] <zeeshan> cause that'd mean counterclockwise..
[21:28:13] <PetefromTn_> WooHHOOOOoooo
[21:28:24] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow we are ROAD TRIPPIN'
[21:28:48] <PetefromTn_> my daughter heard we were going to pickup my new to me CNC lathe
[21:29:05] <PetefromTn_> so she offered to let me use her huge F350 Diesel Dually
[21:29:15] <Connor> Nice. SSI coming ?
[21:29:27] <PetefromTn_> should get a bit better mileage than my Fullsize Bronco since its a diesel
[21:29:44] <PetefromTn_> no he has to shoot his laser beam all weekend.
[21:29:50] <Connor> ROFL
[21:30:03] <ssi> I wish I could
[21:30:13] <ssi> but I promised them 5000 parts by the weekend-end
[21:30:14] <PetefromTn_> I got a trailer reserved at UHAUL for tomorrow morning.
[21:30:39] <PetefromTn_> I wonder what kinda mileage we will get with the truck and trailer towing the machine.
[21:30:44] <Connor> What happened to using the neighbors?
[21:30:53] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: 10-12 MPG
[21:31:01] <PetefromTn_> She said she gets like 20 MPG apparently unloaded
[21:31:10] <ssi> it'll be the same loaded
[21:31:10] <os1r1s> Closer to 12 likely
[21:31:17] <ssi> nah bs
[21:31:26] <Connor> tarp it to help wind resistance.
[21:31:33] <ssi> two years ago I drove a '96 F250 diesel to connecticut and back and got 23 on the way up and 21 on the way back
[21:31:35] <andypugh> You mean that even your diesels are raping the planet in the US?
[21:31:36] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: I have a 2012 F350 Diesel. With 6000 lbs behind it I get about 10-12
[21:31:43] <ssi> pulling an empty trailer on the way up and a 4500lb on the trailer on the way back
[21:31:59] <PetefromTn_> I am getting my 10klb tie downs and some tools ready
[21:32:00] <ssi> andypugh: my diesel gets 60mpg
[21:32:16] <PetefromTn_> 6000 pounds of what?
[21:32:22] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Race car + trailer
[21:32:42] <zeeshan> os1r1s: what car? :D
[21:32:43] <PetefromTn_> well we are going 260 miles round each way
[21:32:57] <os1r1s> zeeshan: Porsche CaymanS
[21:33:02] <zeeshan> nice
[21:33:02] <zeeshan> :)
[21:33:12] <PetefromTn_> so 520 miles or so
[21:33:15] <andypugh> I expect about 45 cruising at 80 in a work car, I can’t see it going below 30 even with a triailer.
[21:33:40] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping to spend like $130-$150 in gas....
[21:33:47] <PetefromTn_> diesel
[21:33:48] <zeeshan> i was getting 22 L/ 100 km
[21:33:50] <ssi> hopefully you'll spend $0 in gas :P
[21:33:51] <zeeshan> with the big ass flat bed truck
[21:33:52] <andypugh> I have no idea what they do to US cars to make them drink so much fuel.
[21:34:01] <ssi> andypugh: it's the emissions laws
[21:34:08] <zeeshan> andypugh: they dont have you programming the control systems :-)
[21:34:10] <ssi> andypugh: tuning for best emissions is nowhere close to best economy
[21:34:17] <PetefromTn_> how the hell will I spend $0?
[21:34:21] <ssi> PetefromTn_: in gas
[21:34:26] <PetefromTn_> ah
[21:34:53] <os1r1s> zeeshan: With my old truck (before I got the diesel) towing the trailer + car. http://mounicou.com/misc/racetow.jpg
[21:35:02] <PetefromTn_> that truck of hers is a beast...
[21:35:02] <andypugh> Yeah, I am in a position to be puzzled, I work for a US company on diesel engines. I have no idea how the same company can do things so differently.
[21:35:09] <zeeshan> os1r1s: looking good man
[21:35:16] <zeeshan> i drive my baby right to the track
[21:35:16] <zeeshan> haha
[21:35:24] <zeeshan> when its running that is
[21:35:37] <ssi> andypugh: also a 6 or 7 liter diesel engine isn't going to get 50+ no matter what you do
[21:35:38] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: This is my truck ... Not a dually though ... http://mounicou.com/misc/truck.jpg
[21:35:51] <os1r1s> With a very light load
[21:35:55] <ssi> andypugh: my 2 liter diesel breaks 60mpg easily
[21:36:04] <andypugh> How much power does that 7 litre engine make?
[21:36:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah hers is a dually crew cab diesel.
[21:36:33] <os1r1s> andypugh: The 6.7 in mine makes 550hp and 1000 ft/lb of torque (its chipped)
[21:36:48] <XXCoder> my future "car": elio
[21:36:50] <ssi> andypugh: quick google suggests 275hp/525lbft is the factory numbers on the 7.3 turbo
[21:36:53] <PetefromTn_> My Bronco can actaully easily tow it and I was going to use it but I figure her truck is much newer and since it is a diesel should get much better mileage...
[21:37:02] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yeah that's wise
[21:37:50] <PetefromTn_> hopefully we will be back here by 6 or 7PM with the new machine and smiles on our faces LOL
[21:37:55] <ssi> hope so!
[21:37:59] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Where are you headed to get it?
[21:38:02] <PetefromTn_> then we can work on how to get that bitch off the trailer..
[21:38:05] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[21:38:10] <andypugh> Hmm, the 2-litre I work on is 180hp and 300 lb.ft.
[21:38:12] <PetefromTn_> Kentuckeeeee.
[21:38:47] <ssi> andypugh: my 2l is 140hp and 236lbft factory, but again that's an emissions tune, and by getting rid of the particulate filter and doing a power/economy tune it's like 186/300 and picks up 5-7mpg
[21:38:53] <PetefromTn_> Since my daughter is going with me my wife and kids and her husband are going to chill out at the house...
[21:38:55] <andypugh> But typically, at crusing speed, both vehicles will be making about 60hp
[21:39:09] <os1r1s> Cool. I'm still looking for an emco compact pc lathe. Can only do the small stuff.
[21:39:14] <ssi> nah, big trucks have the drag coefficient of a freight train
[21:39:24] <ssi> not to mention horribly inefficient tires
[21:39:32] <XXCoder> get a elio ssi. well when tis out anyway
[21:39:39] <ssi> and gearing ill suited to economy
[21:39:46] <ssi> XXCoder: no thanks.
[21:39:54] <XXCoder> no 84 mpg for you then
[21:39:57] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: If hers has DEF fluid, make sure it has enough. Really sucks to run low/out.
[21:40:04] <andypugh> That might be the problem, buying a car to move the heaviest thing you can ever imagine moving, then spending 99% of the time moving only yourself.
[21:40:22] <XXCoder> andy thats why im getting elio. for one person moving days'
[21:40:31] <ssi> XXCoder: I'm happy with 60mpg and a real car
[21:40:39] <zeeshan> os1r1s: LOL
[21:40:45] <zeeshan> my flatbed truck rental broke down
[21:40:46] <XXCoder> nice. im stuck budget wise
[21:40:49] <zeeshan> cause DEF was contaminated
[21:40:51] <XXCoder> so elio for me
[21:40:56] <ssi> andypugh: agreed, but when you need a truck, you need a truck
[21:41:02] <os1r1s> zeeshan: Seriously. It limits you to 55. It blows.
[21:41:05] <zeeshan> dude
[21:41:05] <andypugh> So rent one, that day..
[21:41:07] <XXCoder> its just $6,800
[21:41:07] <zeeshan> 5mph!
[21:41:10] <zeeshan> after 30 minutes.
[21:41:18] <ssi> 'course, I bought a 5klb forklift to move the heaviest thing I could ever imagine moving, then I bought a 9000lb vmc :(
[21:41:21] <zeeshan> 50% torque imemdiately
[21:41:23] <PetefromTn_> http://cdn-w.v12soft.com/photos/gin1FGK/239351/b9DJN_640480.jpg Thats what her truck looks like
[21:41:27] <zeeshan> and 30 mins later 5mph.
[21:41:29] <ssi> andypugh: it's not as simple as that I've found
[21:41:41] <zeeshan> the truck had to be towed
[21:41:52] <XXCoder> I'll buy a truck as soon as I turn tea pariter heh
[21:41:55] <andypugh> Hey, what do I know, I have never even owned a car.
[21:42:02] <ssi> just a neracar?
[21:42:18] <XXCoder> bicycle
[21:42:19] <zeeshan> you all should buy electric cars
[21:42:25] <zeeshan> since youre gas saving hippies
[21:42:27] <ssi> no thanks
[21:42:30] <andypugh> The Ner-a-Car and other bikes. When I need a van or a truck I rent one.
[21:42:33] <zeeshan> and leave the gas for me
[21:42:35] <ssi> I'm no gas saving hippy
[21:42:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan: electric car blows as long as battery sucks
[21:42:39] <ssi> I'm a money saving capitalist
[21:42:50] <zeeshan> buy electric!!!
[21:42:51] <zeeshan> leave gas for me
[21:42:52] <zeeshan> :[
[21:42:57] <ssi> I took an 8000 mile road trip this year on $600 fuel
[21:43:00] <XXCoder> zeeshan: buy a elio then
[21:43:14] <zeeshan> i rather spend 6000 on fuel
[21:43:20] <zeeshan> and have fun during those 8000 miles
[21:43:22] <zeeshan> but thats just me :P
[21:43:34] <ssi> I had plenty of fun, not screwing around with some bullshit breaking down racecar
[21:43:38] <ssi> been there, done that
[21:43:40] <ssi> I'm too old for that now
[21:43:49] <ssi> if I'm gonna burn thousands of dollars in fuel, it's gonna be above 200mph
[21:43:50] <zeeshan> build your car right!
[21:43:51] <zeeshan> :P
[21:43:51] <andypugh> Elio looks a bit like the Twizy. We have a Twizy at work, I have been tempted to see who I need to talk to to borrow it.
[21:44:00] <PetefromTn_> Man not looking forward to that long drive tho
[21:44:02] <XXCoder> heh I calculated gas - even with double gas price (half goes to car payment) I still pay pover $200 less gas
[21:44:31] <ssi> I can go 200mph for less gas per mile than your racecar can go 100mph
[21:44:34] <XXCoder> but if you live at one of those 5 states you'll have to wear helmet in elio. weird. glad my state isnt one of em
[21:44:56] <zeeshan> ssi yea its called an airplane
[21:44:57] <zeeshan> duhh
[21:45:05] <XXCoder> rocketcar
[21:45:06] <PetefromTn_> I am excited about the lathe tho. I have wanted a decent CNC lathe for awhile now and I can get back into retrofit mode here.
[21:45:06] <ssi> yeah, but most airplanes aren't nearly as fuel efficient
[21:45:13] <ssi> this one's pushing 25mpg
[21:45:14] <ssi> at 200mph
[21:45:16] <ssi> which is insane
[21:45:18] <XXCoder> cornering sucks but 1,000 mph
[21:45:21] <zeeshan> thats pretty good!
[21:45:42] <ssi> my cherokee is like 14mpg at 140mph
[21:45:59] <zeeshan> i dont think even my subie daily driver
[21:46:12] <zeeshan> gets 25 mpg more than 100 mph
[21:46:13] <zeeshan> lol
[21:46:18] <ssi> probably not
[21:46:21] <zeeshan> it does like 28 mpg
[21:46:23] <ssi> it's rich as crap there :P
[21:46:27] <XXCoder> my tardis van is normally 21 mpg but lately 17 mpg, I plan to do tuneup soon
[21:46:27] <zeeshan> at 70 mph
[21:46:37] <ssi> drag coefficient is important :P
[21:46:52] <zeeshan> its sad that the rx7 has a lower cd
[21:46:55] <zeeshan> in comparison to the wrx
[21:46:58] <PetefromTn_> my Bronco gets like six.......Right thru the trees LOL
[21:46:58] <ssi> my diesel vw has a drag coefficient of .29
[21:46:58] <zeeshan> and its 25 years old
[21:46:59] <zeeshan> or more
[21:47:12] <XXCoder> diesel trucks is immortal
[21:47:15] <ssi> rx7 is a decently slippery car
[21:47:17] <XXCoder> not literallt
[21:47:17] <andypugh> Yes, I am sure my bike would do a lot more mpg without the parachute of a rider on top.
[21:47:19] <ssi> wrx is a brick
[21:47:27] <zeeshan> 2d vs 4 door
[21:47:28] <zeeshan> i guess
[21:47:35] <ssi> andypugh: yeah bikes are efficient up to 60mph or so then they suck
[21:47:56] <XXCoder> andypugh: ever seen mythbuster one about bicycle?
[21:48:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8ZSLRiv.jpg
[21:48:15] <zeeshan> what do you guys think this arrow is telling me
[21:48:19] <andypugh> No, that sounds like one of the very few I haven’t seen.
[21:48:20] <zeeshan> on the hydraulic pump assembly? :D
[21:48:29] <ssi> direction of rotation prolly?
[21:48:49] <andypugh> Yes, looks like rotation.
[21:48:57] <andypugh> 3-phase motor?
[21:49:02] <XXCoder> andypugh: http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2014/01/14/mythbusters-bubble-bike-reduces-emissions-boosts-fuel-efficiency/
[21:49:24] <XXCoder> they built shitty bubble and it was amazing
[21:50:19] <zeeshan> okay
[21:50:25] <zeeshan> so i guess instead of taking it all apart
[21:50:29] <zeeshan> ill watch which way the fan spins
[21:50:33] <ssi> yep
[21:50:46] <zeeshan> ive never ever worked on a hydraulic power pack before
[21:50:48] <zeeshan> so this is a first :/
[21:50:51] <zeeshan> lots of brake work
[21:50:53] <zeeshan> never this shit
[21:51:12] <zeeshan> if i dont report back in 30 min
[21:51:13] <zeeshan> call 911
[21:51:14] <zeeshan> :-)
[21:51:17] <ssi> yeah I've never screwed with hydraulics :P
[21:51:27] <ssi> haha I'll call 911
[21:51:37] <ssi> "Hi, um, some kid named zeeshan in another country might have hurt himself"
[21:51:41] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:51:50] <zeeshan> if im doing something risky for the first time
[21:51:54] <zeeshan> i always make sure the gf knows
[21:52:05] <andypugh> XXCoder: http://www.webroad.ch/monotracer/
[21:52:05] <zeeshan> she once heard an explosion in the garage
[21:52:13] <zeeshan> which shook the room above it
[21:52:17] <zeeshan> she came running down
[21:52:19] <ssi> lol I told my friend charles in california that I was working on the laser power supply, and if he didn't hear from me to have s omeone come keep the dogs from eating my body
[21:52:22] <zeeshan> goddamn air hole exploded
[21:52:37] <zeeshan> LOL
[21:52:55] <ssi> the laser power supply is one of the few things in my shop that actually scares me a bit :P
[21:53:09] <zeeshan> i think we're all pretty safe when we work on shit
[21:53:12] <zeeshan> the stuff that drives me insane
[21:53:13] <XXCoder> andy thats cool. I like elio better ehh
[21:53:15] <XXCoder> heh
[21:53:20] <zeeshan> is when people get under the car with a hydraulic jack only
[21:53:29] <zeeshan> theres been 3 deaths in this city in the last 4 years
[21:53:31] <ssi> yeah I don't like that
[21:53:32] <zeeshan> so stupid..
[21:53:42] <andypugh> I built a 700V DC PSU, (delon doubler, bit caps, 240V mains) and dismantled it immediately as too scary.
[21:53:47] <ssi> these days I'm lazy and I use drive-up ramps if i need to get under the car
[21:53:58] <zeeshan> what the heck do you need a 700V supply for
[21:53:59] <zeeshan> :D
[21:54:08] <ssi> andypugh: even 700VDC doesn't bother me too much; I like to build tube amps
[21:54:14] <ssi> andypugh: the laser supply is 35kV @ 40mA
[21:54:16] <zeeshan> usually if the wheels are off
[21:54:19] <zeeshan> ill throw em under the car
[21:54:21] <zeeshan> so it drops on em first
[21:54:23] <zeeshan> or some wood
[21:54:28] <ssi> I don't like electricity that can jump out and bite me
[21:54:29] <ssi> heheh
[21:54:45] <andypugh> I was looking to run a 440V 3-phase motor from a domestic supply and VFD.
[21:55:17] <andypugh> Yeah, something my dad taught me to do was to throw the spare wheel under the car with you.
[21:55:40] <andypugh> (In the absence of anything better)
[21:56:15] <zeeshan> andypugh: you have 3 phase?
[21:56:27] <zeeshan> nm
[21:56:29] <zeeshan> i read that wrong.
[21:57:37] <andypugh> ssi: 700V and 6600uF of caps was the scary combo, That would burn.
[21:58:14] <ssi> andypugh: yeah... I just like to have sufficiently quick bleeders on such things
[21:58:19] <PetefromTn_> https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering-machine-shop/sites/ca.engineering-machine-shop/files/uploads/images/0109.jpg This is what my machine looks like only mines not as pretty LOL..
[21:58:40] <ssi> hm neat
[21:58:59] <PetefromTn_> Mine has been gutted of the electronics
[21:59:02] <andypugh> But the most scary thing I built was a mechanical testing machine. 100kg flywheel at 3000rpm, pneumatic clutch, and a cam. the platten did 0 - 50mph in 7mm.
[21:59:12] <PetefromTn_> which is why I am getting it cheap.
[21:59:14] <ssi> yeah that's a bit scary :P
[21:59:17] <zeeshan> haha andypugh
[21:59:19] <zeeshan> thats a lotta energy
[21:59:39] <XXCoder> oh yeah. I used a cnc machine to make tap block. man it took forever. over 100 times facemill passes
[21:59:39] <zeeshan> im liking that lathes shield
[21:59:43] <zeeshan> i need to do that for my lathe
[21:59:45] <andypugh> And it was a click of a mouse to engage the clutch. That was a scary mouse-click.
[22:00:06] <zeeshan> andypugh: did anything blow up
[22:00:28] <andypugh> About half the time the cam-roller or platten escaped. Yes.
[22:00:33] <zeeshan> :D
[22:00:40] <ssi> eesh
[22:00:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/yYu6bFG.jpg
[22:00:52] <cathode> hey XXCoder
[22:00:56] <andypugh> It was simulating car crashes. Perhaps a bit too closely. :-)
[22:00:57] <zeeshan> i actually put a steel bellhousing
[22:01:00] <cathode> http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/mad/4683604389.html
[22:01:02] <zeeshan> im afraid of flywheel explosions
[22:01:05] <zeeshan> this thing had a 28lb flywheel
[22:01:06] <PetefromTn_> Should be a nice project and once it is CNC again it will make a sweet lathe.
[22:01:17] <zeeshan> *has
[22:01:24] <XXCoder> 3 bucks per pound
[22:01:29] <XXCoder> that good?
[22:01:39] <ssi> zeeshan: I've seen flywheel explosions... they're not pretty
[22:01:40] <PetefromTn_> it has a D1-6 spindle face and you can put a collet closer on it pretty easy.
[22:01:40] <cathode> not sure. i think so compared to new pricing
[22:01:44] <zeeshan> me too
[22:01:53] <zeeshan> it destroys feet, hoods, interior dash, engine block
[22:01:55] <zeeshan> transmission
[22:01:59] <zeeshan> pretty much everything
[22:02:08] <zeeshan> windshield
[22:02:09] <cathode> how does a flywheel explode?
[22:02:20] <XXCoder> metal fatique, vibration
[22:02:20] <ssi> cathode: it fails at high speed
[22:02:22] <XXCoder> so on
[22:02:25] <zeeshan> usually fatigue
[22:02:27] <cathode> hmmm
[22:02:33] <zeeshan> thermal fatigue is one major reason
[22:02:35] <zeeshan> or misalignment
[22:02:40] <zeeshan> or bolts baking off
[22:02:42] <XXCoder> high speed flywheel is scary
[22:02:48] <XXCoder> expecially heavy one
[22:03:03] <zeeshan> i never run aluminum flywheels for this reason
[22:03:04] <ssi> I saw one where someone blew a downshift from sixth to second
[22:03:08] <zeeshan> because they dont have an endurance limit
[22:03:09] <ssi> overrevved the piss out of it, and the flywheel blew up
[22:03:25] <PetefromTn_> http://www.moderntool.com/products/modern-446-mp-micropanther-teach-type-cnc-lathe/ That looks like a sweet little lathe.
[22:03:45] <XXCoder> no price. you cant afford it
[22:03:46] <ssi> MICROPANTHER
[22:03:57] <ssi> 17x35 isn't exactly little :)
[22:04:02] <PetefromTn_> I don't need to afford it I have one very similar LOL
[22:04:14] <ssi> I see what you mean about the handwheels
[22:04:15] <ssi> that's weird
[22:04:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah mines about 15x40 apparently
[22:04:41] <ssi> that's a good size
[22:04:54] <cathode> so, flywheel explosion in the context of a car, right?
[22:04:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think it will be perfect for what I need to do.
[22:05:19] <zeeshan> cathode: yes
[22:05:20] <PetefromTn_> I can do close up collet work and if I need to throw a big shaft in there from my Bronco or something it is a done deal
[22:05:43] <PetefromTn_> It apparently came with either a 1.53 or 2" spindle bore.
[22:05:44] <cathode> my bandsaw has a 3-belt sheave/pulley that is solid cast iron and weighs about 25lbs, but i'm only spinning it at 700rpm. i don't think i need to worry....right?
[22:05:52] <PetefromTn_> Not sure what mine is but HOPING it is the larger one LOL
[22:05:56] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/4712896213.html
[22:05:58] <ssi> that's a beauty
[22:06:03] <zeeshan> cathode: you should have a shield around it
[22:06:08] <zeeshan> incase the sheave loosens up
[22:06:10] <zeeshan> and flies out
[22:06:11] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Looks nice, and seems set up for manual work too. (not that I see the point)
[22:06:14] <zeeshan> or the belt snaps
[22:06:22] <cathode> hmmm
[22:06:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is kinda what I like about this type
[22:06:33] <PetefromTn_> It can do kinda both
[22:06:42] <cathode> well, i was going to build a 1/2" plywood housing around that area
[22:07:01] <PetefromTn_> Should be a pretty simple retrofit to LinuxCNC I hope.
[22:07:01] <zeeshan> cathode: i doubt it'll ever explode
[22:07:04] <zeeshan> it might fall off.
[22:07:15] <zeeshan> flywheel explosions are literally a shatter of chunks of steel
[22:07:17] <zeeshan> or aluminum
[22:07:23] <zeeshan> that are like bullets
[22:07:23] <PetefromTn_> ssi I used to have a lathe about that big for awhile here
[22:07:32] <PetefromTn_> it was like 16x80 or something
[22:07:37] <PetefromTn_> Weighed like 5k
[22:07:46] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: FWIW I set up my lathe to be manual too, but I have never felt the urge. Givem that I have macros for normal lathe ops, the CNC ends up like a better version of power feed (no G-code needed most days)
[22:07:48] <PetefromTn_> maybe more I don't remember
[22:08:01] <cathode> yea i googled and found a picture of a van that had a hole punched through the side (through-and-through) and the caption said that a 14lb chunk of flywheel had flown half a mile after busting through the van
[22:08:02] <zeeshan> andypugh: i agree!
[22:08:07] <PetefromTn_> Oh I don't mean literally both manual and CNC
[22:08:10] <zeeshan> i run the lathe in feed all the time
[22:08:20] <PetefromTn_> I mean that the layout of the lathe is very similar to my 12x36 manual lathe
[22:08:23] <zeeshan> cathode: lol
[22:08:31] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/4709490124.html
[22:08:35] <ssi> that's got some promise too, for the money
[22:08:51] <PetefromTn_> I fully intend it to be full CNC control and jog etc like I run my Cincinatti for manual milling etc.
[22:09:21] <PetefromTn_> I will certainly miss my asian 12x36
[22:09:28] <PetefromTn_> it was a great little machine.
[22:09:36] <XXCoder> cathode: it is cheaper
[22:09:40] <PetefromTn_> ran good for a very long time for me
[22:09:54] <XXCoder> 8.43 for 2 feet 2020 compared to amazon $15.73
[22:10:00] <ssi> http://macon.craigslist.org/tls/4701945366.html
[22:10:04] <XXCoder> also no shipping!
[22:10:10] <XXCoder> shipping is nuts
[22:10:11] <ssi> I like how he smeared vaseline on the lens for that "soft focus" look
[22:10:21] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I make very nearly everything with this setup (turning, boring, facing etc, just set up the dimensions and press GO) http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros
[22:10:34] <XXCoder> ssi: probably to hide all that fancy red oxide paint
[22:10:43] <ssi> nope here's what I need
[22:10:43] <ssi> http://macon.craigslist.org/tls/4695543987.html
[22:10:46] <ssi> 38" swing!!!!
[22:10:47] <ssi> !!!
[22:10:48] <cathode> XXCoder - well you'd have to make a trip to portland
[22:10:50] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a nice D1-6 set tru chuck setup maybe a six jaw or something/
[22:11:02] <cathode> ssi - holy shit
[22:11:07] <XXCoder> cat with enough savings it can easily save me money anyway
[22:11:13] <ssi> it's got like a 26" chuck or something on it
[22:11:14] <cathode> isn't a lathe like that in the $50k range new? lol
[22:11:15] <ssi> holy shit is right
[22:11:20] <cathode> or more
[22:11:24] <ssi> probably way more
[22:11:43] <ssi> I'm gonna need a bigger boat
[22:11:45] <cathode> a lathe is another tool i'd like to build...
[22:11:46] <andypugh> A Monarch 10EE is 95k new. Big ones are more.
[22:11:50] <PetefromTn_> andypugh That looks nice man. When I get there maybe I can use some a dat...
[22:11:59] <ssi> andypugh: 95k seriously?
[22:12:01] <ssi> that's insane
[22:12:15] <ssi> they're nice lathes, but cmon
[22:12:16] <XXCoder> cathode: I had link to howto to make shitty lathe so you can make bigger and better lathe out of that
[22:12:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah but a MOnarch 10 is a gorgeous machine.
[22:12:22] <andypugh> My Rivett 608 was $2000. In 1936!
[22:12:25] <XXCoder> been years now. robably gone now
[22:12:49] <andypugh> What did $2000 buy you in 1936?
[22:12:57] <cathode> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/monarch-lathes/why-does-monarch-10ee-lathe-exist-100737/
[22:13:13] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/Workshop/GreatShops/BerniesShop/DCP01021.jpg
[22:13:52] <cathode> XXCoder - i've seen a guide for building a lathe that was targeted towards like, someone setting up a machine shop in a third world country. they used a combination of inexpensive raw stock and poured concrete for the frame
[22:14:03] <XXCoder> yeah I have that one
[22:14:14] <XXCoder> it was orginially invented for world war 1
[22:14:17] <cathode> the idea was that in a place with no access to ordinary tools, a lathe would let you get most of the parts fabricated that would be necessary to make other machines
[22:14:19] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a classic car only prettier LOL
[22:14:22] <XXCoder> usa DESPERATELY needed lathes
[22:14:37] <PetefromTn_> I Desperately need a CNC lathe LOL
[22:14:39] <cathode> ah yea
[22:14:51] <ssi> I've always wanted to set up a small iron foundry so I can design, cast, and finish machine some machine parts
[22:14:54] <ssi> make my own lathe etc
[22:15:35] <XXCoder> yeah. $200 lathes when period was 10 times more expensive and metal was hard to come
[22:15:48] <andypugh> I think that the Monarch took over from the Rivett as the lathe you bought to prove that you had bought the best possible lathe.
[22:16:17] <cathode> casting is an interesting project
[22:16:25] <andypugh> When the Rivett was $2000 a Myford ML4 was £40
[22:16:31] <cathode> if you can cast things out of metal, you can do almost anything
[22:16:44] <XXCoder> is it hard to cast cast iron?
[22:16:46] <ssi> then you see shit like this and you want to cry
[22:16:46] <ssi> http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=12&acctid=3559
[22:16:48] <ssi> $735.
[22:16:49] <ssi> :(
[22:16:52] <PetefromTn_> that micro panther is so sweet looking
[22:17:32] <zeeshan> andypugh: nice addon.
[22:17:53] <cathode> ssi - what the fck
[22:17:57] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it will take some time and work but I think I will be very pleased with this Standard Modern I am picking up tomorrow.
[22:18:47] <PetefromTn_> But I better get my ass in bed so I can wake up and get rolling in the morning. Plus I gotta get some tools and heavy straps etc ready before I hit the sack. Gn8 folks.
[22:19:02] <andypugh> (If you don’t know the Rivett: http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett/page2.html The only lathe I have ever known where an actual girl said “ooh, that’s a pretty lathe” )
[22:19:05] <SpeedEvil> ssi: holy fuck
[22:19:38] <zeeshan> i got my lathe for 800$
[22:19:39] <zeeshan> :D
[22:19:43] <zeeshan> retails for 4k
[22:19:53] <zeeshan> guy inherited it from someone
[22:19:57] <zeeshan> was collecting dust
[22:20:18] <PetefromTn_> I bought mine brand new for $1300.00 and sold it for $2200.00 :D
[22:20:29] <SpeedEvil> I inherited mine.
[22:20:36] <PetefromTn_> doh!
[22:20:38] <zeeshan> i bought the bridgeport clone for 1000
[22:20:39] <cathode> i think i need to set aside money every month and create a "emergency tool-buying fund"
[22:20:42] <SpeedEvil> The spindle has a 2 degree or so wobble
[22:20:42] <zeeshan> sold for 1700
[22:20:43] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:20:43] <zeeshan> :D
[22:20:49] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: replace bearings
[22:20:49] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:20:51] <cathode> so that when a deal like that comes along i don't have to feel guilty
[22:21:01] <ssi> cathode: I do that... whenever I sell something for cash i stick it in my safe and don't touch it for tool purchases
[22:21:01] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: The bearings are just fine
[22:21:02] <zeeshan> what kind of lathe?
[22:21:09] <andypugh> I bought my CNC lathe brand-new for £700, spent £700 converting to CNC, and now it is worth £200. It’s rubbish. I regret it.
[22:21:09] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: the spindle is rather bent
[22:21:12] <zeeshan> doh
[22:21:22] <PetefromTn_> why?
[22:21:23] <zeeshan> andypugh: lol
[22:21:31] <cathode> currently, i only have a woodshop. not a machine shop
[22:21:41] <ssi> cathode: that's ok, we all have mistakes in our past
[22:21:45] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: it was used to turn large bowls, and an incident happened. (metal lathe converted towood)
[22:21:46] <PetefromTn_> what kind of CNC lathe is it?
[22:21:54] <zeeshan> ah
[22:22:06] <cathode> the only vaguely metalworking-ish tool i have is my 15" drill press that i bought earlier this year on craigslist
[22:22:26] <PetefromTn_> andypugh What kind of CNC lathe is it?
[22:22:48] <ssi> andypugh: that chinese 3-in-1 monstrosity of yours?
[22:23:29] <XXCoder> cat wood lathe can turn metal apparently just need be careful
[22:23:30] <andypugh> Pete, it’s a nasty chinese 6x20 stretched to 9 x 40 but without any extra bed width, or any care in assembly, or any design. or parts quality. Then a milling column was added to really highlight the defficiencies in the ways.
[22:23:49] <andypugh> ssi: That;s the one
[22:23:50] <PetefromTn_> OH that kinda sucks
[22:23:53] <ssi> andypugh: :)
[22:24:03] <ssi> andypugh: at least you have perspective!
[22:24:14] <PetefromTn_> the Standard Modern was apparently made in Canada believe it or not
[22:24:27] <ssi> PetefromTn_: uh oh, nothing good comes from canada!
[22:24:34] <PetefromTn_> no shit right LOL
[22:24:45] <andypugh> Yeah, I now know how to do the job right. I am very happy with the Harrison mill conversion.
[22:24:47] <PetefromTn_> at least it is NORTH AMERICA
[22:25:02] <ssi> yes, it's north of america
[22:25:12] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/standardmodern/
[22:25:20] <ssi> andypugh: I've built a handful of machines that never even got to be machines
[22:25:21] <PetefromTn_> I think it will just be nice to finally have a real CNC lathe that I can make some parts on
[22:25:59] <PetefromTn_> Oh are they UK?
[22:26:22] <cathode> hey guys
[22:26:31] <ssi> andypugh: like this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEAsDafIYUI
[22:26:46] <ssi> I built that from scratch after I got my bridgeport, from looking at other peoples' router designs on cnczone
[22:26:48] <XXCoder> Canada is north america too ya know
[22:27:05] <ssi> it had potential, but the way the gantry was attached to the base and moved on its rails was crap, and it had like 1/4" of nod to it
[22:27:14] <ssi> it's still lying around in mostly that state
[22:27:19] <ssi> but man I put a LOT of machine work into making that thing
[22:27:26] <zeeshan> you need to finish your projects
[22:27:26] <zeeshan> mate
[22:27:34] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:27:34] <PetefromTn_> bring it up here I will use it LOL
[22:27:43] <cathode> i have a question about fasteners. i need to secure some pillow block bearings to some heavy steel angle, what would be the best approach to preventing the screws from backing out or loosening? should i go for serrated-flange hex bolts or lock washers? or thread-locking compound?
[22:27:46] <ssi> PetefromTn_: the Y axis needs to be completely redesigned
[22:27:55] <PetefromTn_> Got that covered
[22:27:58] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:28:00] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: No, Standard modern are Canadian, but that web page has a company history.
[22:28:00] <zeeshan> cathode: high vibration environment?
[22:28:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I was just reading that
[22:28:13] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[22:28:14] <zeeshan> there shouldnt be too much vibration if the assembly is balanced
[22:28:34] <PetefromTn_> sounds like they made lathes for the US military.
[22:28:41] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully that means they are good quality
[22:28:50] <PetefromTn_> From what little I have read they were well regarded
[22:29:13] <cathode> zeeshan - i would consider it a high vibration environment
[22:29:29] <zeeshan> theres so many approaches to it
[22:29:34] <zeeshan> depends on how hardcore you wanan go lol
[22:29:39] <zeeshan> simple loctite red works
[22:29:57] <andypugh> cathode: Thread locking compound, I would say. Or maybe Nyloc nuts.
[22:29:58] <cathode> i want to pick 3 out of: cheap, easy, effective
[22:30:00] <zeeshan> you can use external tooth lock washers
[22:30:19] <andypugh> Anyway, bed time.
[22:30:19] <zeeshan> then you can use distorted nuts.
[22:30:31] <zeeshan> and if you want superior, you can use safety wire
[22:30:36] <cathode> andypugh - ok. two of my pillow blocks have tapped holes in the base instead of through-bolt feet
[22:30:49] <ssi> <3 safety wire
[22:31:02] <zeeshan> i always throw safety wire on turbine housings now
[22:31:08] <cathode> mcmaster has self-locking bolts that have threads scooped out and replaced with nylon. are those any good?
[22:31:10] <zeeshan> cause its the only thing that will handle the high heat
[22:31:38] <ssi> zeeshan: metal locknuts if it's a throughbolt
[22:31:40] <cathode> ah you need drilled-head bolts to use safety wire...
[22:31:50] <zeeshan> cathode: you can drill them yourself
[22:31:58] <zeeshan> but im pretty sure loctite red work work in your application
[22:32:05] <cathode> ok
[22:32:06] <zeeshan> unless youre planning to make an eccentric vibratory table!
[22:32:28] <ssi> zeeshan: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an363.php?clickkey=51378
[22:32:37] <zeeshan> not thru bolts
[22:32:41] <zeeshan> i use that style nut on the studs
[22:32:44] <ssi> safetywire it is
[22:32:44] <zeeshan> on the exhaust manifold
[22:32:47] <cathode> no. i'm going to balance my wheels as well as i can by putting the wheel on a pool ball or something and seeing where it dips
[22:32:53] <zeeshan> aircraftspruce ftw
[22:33:02] <ssi> all the nuts forward of the firewall on aircraft have to be an363 or pal nuts
[22:33:32] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms27151palnuts.php?clickkey=18692
[22:33:41] <zeeshan> fancyh
[22:33:42] <zeeshan> haha
[22:33:47] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/BB25C788-1A25-425C-8B99-68B16F39E07A-8331-00000A83FD6DFB4B_zpsa00b6839.jpg
[22:33:50] <zeeshan> my shitty safety wire job
[22:33:50] <zeeshan> :-)
[22:34:03] <ssi> too tight
[22:34:04] <cathode> mcmaster has those nuts for way cheaper. http://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-locknuts/=uarkq5
[22:34:23] <zeeshan> it was 5 twists from breaking
[22:34:23] <zeeshan> :P
[22:35:06] <ssi> the mil spec ones are over a dollar apiece at mcmaster :P
[22:35:37] <cathode> oh
[22:35:50] <ssi> also I have a dealer account at spruce and hardware is mostly 20% off for dealer accounts
[22:36:11] <ssi> the weird thing though is spruce doesn't carry aircraft engine hardware at all
[22:36:27] <ssi> everything on an airframe is AN, which is all UNF
[22:36:33] <ssi> but everything on lycoming engines is UNC
[22:36:40] <ssi> and spruce carries zero UNC hardware
[22:37:53] <cathode> ok this might be a stupid question but when you use a flat washer, with a lock washer above it... does that defeat the purpose of the lock washer?
[22:38:20] <ssi> zeeshan: I made some of these on my little grizzly lathe, and I had talked to the sales mgr at spruce about getting them put in the catalog
[22:38:24] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/280798_688585607472_44661_o.jpg
[22:38:27] <ssi> but I'm not a finisher, so it never happened :P
[22:38:28] <cathode> i want to drill slightly oversize holes so that i have some wiggle room to adjust my pillow blocks
[22:38:53] <ssi> cathode: split washers work with flat washers, but I don't think tooth washers do
[22:38:59] <cathode> ok
[22:39:11] <cathode> this is why i was leaning towards serrated flange nuts
[22:40:02] <cathode> i've used grade 5 serrated flange bolts and nuts when assembling pallet racking, they chew up the surface real bad but otherwise they seem to hold really well
[22:40:28] <cathode> sometimes it requires a beefy impact driver to undo them, after they've been tightened by hand with a small wrench
[22:40:34] <ssi> "Toss the helical-split, internal-toothed, and external-toothed lock washers. I've tested these on railroad equipment. Bolted joints without are better than with! The lockwashers make the joints softer and drive the natural frequencies down. Instead use Bellville, wavy-spring, or cupped spring washers!
[22:40:39] <ssi> Best of all, use prevailing-torque locking methods ala nylon patched screws or self-locking nuts with nylon locking element."
[22:41:19] <cathode> ok
[22:41:40] <cathode> i might get some of the nylon patched bolts for fastening the pillow blocks with tapped holes
[22:41:47] <cathode> where was that quote from?
[22:41:51] <ssi> honestly for your application I'd just do loctite
[22:41:58] <ssi> and I wouldn't do red, I think blue is fine
[22:42:05] <ssi> from here: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=119876
[22:42:19] <ssi> side benefit: loctite is delicious
[22:42:29] <cathode> wat
[22:43:18] <ssi> it's sugar water!
[22:48:47] <XXCoder> nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnUBl90tayI&list=TLq2QCfv50xlCyIUsm6cdxRAhA5oGevFJ6
[22:49:31] <ssi> lol I use dvorak
[22:50:29] <XXCoder> I want to but so hard to change
[22:50:54] <ssi> took me two weeks
[22:50:56] <ssi> I did it in 2001
[22:51:17] <XXCoder> yeah issue is when used to it, other computers is harder :(
[22:51:24] <ssi> nah, not that bad
[22:51:55] <ssi> solved all my wrist pain, and it hasn't recurred
[22:52:04] <ssi> plus I can type way faster on it than I ever could on qwerty
[22:54:31] <XXCoder> nice. my typing style is bit different so I dont get wrist pain
[22:55:00] <XXCoder> issue is no dvorak apple alumboard keyboard
[22:55:09] <ssi> don't need it
[22:55:13] <ssi> step 1: learn to touchtype
[22:58:41] <XXCoder> meh Im already fast enough
[23:00:07] <XXCoder> I love that channel. its nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5RAJyXU1z0
[23:06:44] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:06:45] <zeeshan> wtf is going on
[23:06:49] <cathode> ?
[23:06:50] <zeeshan> something up with the hydraulic pump
[23:07:36] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15549546781/
[23:07:41] <zeeshan> do you guys read 2.5 A there?
[23:07:45] <zeeshan> er 2.3A
[23:07:55] <zeeshan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/14931477374/in/photostream/
[23:07:57] <zeeshan> i read 220V
[23:08:00] <zeeshan> .25 kW
[23:08:11] <XXCoder> or 2.8
[23:08:19] <zeeshan> okay about in the same ball park
[23:08:25] <zeeshan> but that definitely says .25kW right?
[23:09:52] <XXCoder> dunno
[23:09:56] <XXCoder> cathode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHOtVjlO27E
[23:10:01] <XXCoder> love that guy, hes funny
[23:10:40] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erP1e3bOqys
[23:10:42] <zeeshan> help me!
[23:10:42] <zeeshan> :[
[23:11:08] <cathode> XXCoder - yeah he's pretty good
[23:11:11] <zeeshan> i dont think im making sense in the video :)
[23:11:30] <XXCoder> really? I heard same from all other videos - perfect silence
[23:12:36] <cathode> have you watched any of Marc Spagnuolo's videos? "The Wood Whisperer"?
[23:12:43] <XXCoder> no
[23:13:04] <cathode> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKp44bWWZIiOPShPN_ytShw
[23:13:18] <zeeshan> ps ssi that fitting looks nice
[23:13:22] <zeeshan> i love AN fittings! :D
[23:13:23] <cathode> he's really good. and has like 200 or more episodes of his show online
[23:13:29] <zeeshan> thats a weeird looking one :P
[23:14:02] <zeeshan> i wonder if a line is clogged
[23:14:03] <zeeshan> in the pump
[23:14:04] <zeeshan> or something
[23:16:10] <XXCoder> cathode: looks good but no captions
[23:19:12] <cathode> is that a requirement?
[23:19:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:19:23] <XXCoder> try it for yourself
[23:19:29] <XXCoder> watch a tv with audio off
[23:19:35] <XXCoder> many shows will suddenly be boring
[23:19:40] <cathode> why do you have the audio off? lol
[23:20:00] <XXCoder> ah well human settings isnt user settable
[23:20:06] <cathode> oh :(
[23:20:22] <XXCoder> heh been deaf for last 38 years. Im 38 years old
[23:20:32] <zeeshan> XXCoder: wtf youre 38?
[23:20:34] <cathode> not user settable *yet*, anyway
[23:20:36] <zeeshan> you sound like y oure 25 =D
[23:21:14] <XXCoder> lol
[23:21:36] <XXCoder> my other favorite channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TrUv97iMVY
[23:21:36] <cathode> XXCoder - i just turned on youtube's automatic CC on one of Marc's videos, it's got a few mistakes but it seems to be doing a decent job
[23:21:48] <XXCoder> captions only sometimes but nice channel
[23:22:09] <zeeshan> youtube's cc is bullshit
[23:22:16] <zeeshan> i didnt have headphones
[23:22:17] <XXCoder> really? personal videos usually has awesomely mangled autocaptions
[23:22:18] <zeeshan> i was watching a video
[23:22:24] <zeeshan> and it was saying something completely wrong lol
[23:22:47] <XXCoder> oh and myfordboy usually uses text in video which helos a lot
[23:23:37] <XXCoder> reason i like his videos is he makes stuff from beggining - he casts stuff.
[23:24:43] <XXCoder> machinist jack interesting
[23:25:26] <XXCoder> you should watch his stirling fan. amazing
[23:25:41] <XXCoder> series of maybe 20 videos? he casts everything then mills em
[23:28:22] <cathode> that's pretty cool
[23:28:50] <XXCoder> yeah. he can easily have tv series.
[23:29:17] <XXCoder> most videos is around 38 min. fill 22 more min with more info and ads and youre done
[23:32:02] <cathode> every time i go to home depot and buy something i return home and i'm immediately filled with regret
[23:32:08] <zeeshan> why
[23:32:34] <cathode> because i just paid 5x for something and often times i have to settle for less-than-ideal
[23:32:42] <zeeshan> haha
[23:32:45] <zeeshan> yea home depot is pretty expensive
[23:32:50] <zeeshan> but in a bind
[23:32:52] <cathode> for example, their fastener "selection" is pretty worthless
[23:32:52] <zeeshan> theyre awesome
[23:32:56] <zeeshan> and they dont care about quantity.
[23:33:05] <zeeshan> i have a fastner suplier locally
[23:33:11] <zeeshan> its cheaper to buy a 100 of something
[23:33:15] <zeeshan> vs buying 4 of them at home depot
[23:33:15] <zeeshan> lol
[23:33:27] <zeeshan> like socket heads cap screws 1/4" x 1"
[23:33:32] <zeeshan> will be like 7$ per box
[23:33:35] <zeeshan> 100.
[23:33:39] <cathode> yep
[23:33:40] <zeeshan> you'll pay like that much for 4 at home depot
[23:33:49] <cathode> it's pathetic
[23:33:52] <cathode> plus all the packaging
[23:34:16] <cathode> i'm not a big tree hugger or anything but seriously... ONE BOLT per plastic bag? wtf
[23:34:21] <zeeshan> lol
[23:34:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:34:41] <cathode> there's an Ace Hardware franchise branch/store locally that has almost as good of a selection as mcmaster
[23:34:56] <zeeshan> the biggest rip off on the planet
[23:34:59] <zeeshan> is grainger
[23:34:59] <cathode> but they're a bit more expensive
[23:35:02] <cathode> yep
[23:35:05] <zeeshan> a box of 100 bolts of the same size
[23:35:07] <zeeshan> is like 40$
[23:35:08] <XXCoder> no ship
[23:36:01] <cathode> mcmaster is reasonable. i'm ordering hardware for my bandsaw project right now... on my order i have a box of 25pcs 1/2-13 flanged nylock nuts... $6
[23:36:19] <cathode> home depot doesn't have flanged nylock nuts but they want $1.18 each for normal 1/2-13 nylock nuts
[23:36:26] <XXCoder> i need to order bolts for my cnc but with no final plan I cant order
[23:36:32] <cathode> (which come in individual plastic bags)
[23:37:31] <cathode> oh btw, i bought this on craigslist a while back for like $30: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88948814/Shop/2014-04-17%2020.48.36.jpg
[23:37:50] <XXCoder> dang
[23:38:09] <zeeshan> score!
[23:38:17] <cathode> i didn't count, some of the boxes are missing some fasteners, but all told it's about 1500-1600 pcs. and they were oiled from the factory so there's no rust, even though it's probably 50 years old
[23:38:21] <zeeshan> the big boxes look like 1000 qt
[23:38:31] <cathode> nah they're boxes of 100 or 50
[23:38:34] <zeeshan> oh
[23:38:35] <zeeshan> my bad
[23:38:40] <zeeshan> i just read haha
[23:38:55] <zeeshan> dude its crazy how expensive bolts can get
[23:38:59] <zeeshan> i prolly have spent 2000
[23:39:04] <zeeshan> over the last year on my bolt cvollection
[23:39:09] <zeeshan> they add up quick
[23:39:19] <cathode> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88948814/Shop/2014-04-17%2021.30.28.jpg <-- you can see they still look 'wet'
[23:39:27] <zeeshan> yea theyre oiled from factory
[23:39:36] <zeeshan> made in usa too!
[23:39:41] <cathode> yep
[23:39:55] <cathode> i wonder if i should spray all my other hardware with a rust inhibitor
[23:41:25] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/QZYX6dW.jpg
[23:41:49] <cathode> you found a vertical lathe!
[23:41:49] <zeeshan> now thats a drill press!
[23:41:50] <cathode> :P
[23:42:00] <zeeshan> sexy
[23:42:11] <XXCoder> damn
[23:42:19] <cathode> old machinery really was stylishly made
[23:42:37] <cathode> new stuff is ugly as sin. all stamped sheet metal and plastic
[23:43:03] <XXCoder> yeah try get one of those ye olde machines made today. probably worth thousands due to all that labor
[23:43:07] <XXCoder> and mats
[23:43:18] <cathode> yep :/
[23:43:28] <zeeshan> cathode i agree with you for the most part
[23:43:35] <zeeshan> but dmg mori makes some sexy machines
[23:43:39] <zeeshan> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/loading-unloading-robotic-cell-for-cnc-machine-409946.jpg
[23:43:49] <zeeshan> it doesnt have the vintage look
[23:43:51] <zeeshan> but more futuristic
[23:43:52] <cathode> lol um, that's not quite the same...
[23:44:10] <zeeshan> http://www.comtex.ca//Html/photos/12084_2.jpg
[23:44:11] <zeeshan> moar
[23:44:29] <cathode> i'm talking about this crap: http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f24/5833d1228430593-ryobi-ap1300-portable-thickness-planer-img_0190.jpg
[23:44:35] <zeeshan> hahaha
[23:45:27] <cathode> even my DeWalt planer is still kinda ugly. https://www.dropbox.com/s/tvakfx9z1lodxi0/2012-09-10%2018.56.06.jpg?dl=0
[23:49:15] <cathode> :/