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[01:34:56] <ssi> quiet tonight!
[01:39:50] <t12_> man sx2 castings really are rough
[01:57:13] <ssi> lol
[02:25:03] <MrSunshine> bad picture but .. anyone can help with the settings of this driver?
http://ibin.co/1dKx3wfDSaWE
[02:26:13] <MrSunshine> motor is a 300 step 1.2 degree step angle motor ... pinion gear has 17 teeth with 4mm pitch on the rack .. i get that to 68mm, but ... if these are microsteps and the driver is set to 6000 microsteps ... that would end up at 1 800 000 steps/rev ... :P
[02:26:41] <MrSunshine> if i calculate 6000/68 i get 88 steps/mm ... but that doesnt calculate right either
[02:26:56] <MrSunshine> doing a sort of calibration i get around 350 - 380 steps/mm ...
[02:27:08] <MrSunshine> no where does the calculations end up right :P
[02:51:43] <Deejay> moin
[04:06:01] <archivist> MrSunshine, most have the microsteps per step, is that table assuming a standard 200 step motor?
[04:16:05] <archivist> therefore your steps per rev will be 1.5 times more than that table
[04:17:58] <archivist> the table in the pdf does not have 6000
[04:23:21] <archivist> leadshine site does not admit to the a version suffix
[04:53:22] <assanaway> hello guys, how i can change origin in preview (the blu star i see in the corner)
[04:54:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/yc4yhtI.jpg
[04:54:57] <zeeshan> it has arrived.
[04:56:13] <archivist> I only believe it when I see the in garage pic :)
[04:56:20] <zeeshan> man
[04:56:25] <zeeshan> my frigging flatbed broke down
[04:56:27] <zeeshan> on the way there
[04:56:41] <zeeshan> what a crazy last 2 days
[04:56:47] <zeeshan> the rental company paid for everything
[04:56:58] <archivist> that load is too far forward
[04:57:09] <zeeshan> archivist: thats the middle of the truck
[04:57:16] <zeeshan> where the machine sits
[04:57:21] <zeeshan> is exactly 12feet from each axle
[04:57:24] <zeeshan> its a 24' truck
[04:57:45] <zeeshan> it made a 500 km journey
[04:57:47] <zeeshan> through some crazy roads
[04:57:55] <zeeshan> with my crappy strapping
[04:58:20] <archivist> looks rather well strapped
[04:58:31] <zeeshan> it doesnt look professional
[04:58:34] <zeeshan> like the other riggers
[04:59:05] <zeeshan> in like 6 hours
[04:59:08] <zeeshan> we're going to try to unload it
[04:59:12] <zeeshan> apparently the guy i hired
[04:59:16] <archivist> it is missing the emergency stop strap
[04:59:18] <zeeshan> expects to unload this without a forklift
[04:59:29] <zeeshan> archivist: wassat
[04:59:57] <archivist> you hit the brakes it slide forward and crushes the driver
[05:00:32] <zeeshan> theres that 1" plate
[05:00:35] <zeeshan> between us!
[05:01:56] <archivist> leave it on the truck and deliver here :)
[05:06:22] <archivist> I think the car will have to move out
[05:06:56] <zeeshan> why
[05:07:23] <zeeshan> okay im too tired to think
[05:07:25] <zeeshan> SLEEP TIME!!
[05:07:26] <zeeshan> :D
[06:27:04] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[07:01:32] <varesa> any people with experience with using a SCR circuit to drive a (dc) spindle motor?
[07:17:02] <SpeedEvil> Why SCR
[07:17:10] <SpeedEvil> SCRs can't easily be turned off
[07:32:25] <Jymmm> varesa: Are you trying to do pwm speed control?
[07:50:28] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: if they re GTO they can be
[07:50:31] <Loetmichel> but not all
[07:52:23] <SpeedEvil> I always forget about GTO.
[07:52:38] <SpeedEvil> (that should be a rap song)
[08:15:22] <varesa> Jymmm: yes
[08:19:40] <Jymmm> varesa: what voltage/amperage?
[08:31:05] <varesa> Jymmm: 200something VDC, I don't remember amperage
[08:31:38] <varesa> The mill has an thyristor based driver card which I am building microcontroller-driver for
[08:32:03] <varesa> I had a question about thyristor gate driver ICs but found an answer
[08:37:02] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:19:23] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: what motherboards do you like for LinuxCNC? I remember you saying some of the AMD chips did well.
[09:25:02] <CaptHindsight> the only ones we didn't like were some older Biostar PhoenomII boards, other than those everything else has worked out
[09:26:40] <CaptHindsight> the new scheduler in RTAI for kernels >3.8 has low latency and smooth graphics and video playback
[09:27:24] <CaptHindsight> all cores are also made available
[09:29:06] <CaptHindsight> the only current issues might be using the hardware accel graphics driver
[09:29:46] <CaptHindsight> something in X violates RTAI by talking directly to hardware
[09:39:27] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9nonCqesLI The world’s loudest bicycle horn. Why isn't this on kickstarter?
[09:44:41] <SpeedEvil> That is not the worlds loudsst horn
[09:44:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHz7wOjb9w
[11:28:48] <gammax> Afternoon all
[12:25:53] <Newbe> Hello Together :) the New One is here greetings from austria
[12:26:40] <PetefromTn_> hello
[12:32:18] * Tom_itx gives Newbe a seat at the front of the class
[12:33:17] <Newbe> Thank you :)
[12:33:36] <Newbe> Sorry :) first time use of irc ./
[12:34:01] <Tom_itx> np, it's quiet here today
[12:34:14] <Tom_itx> got question just ask them
[12:34:21] <Tom_itx> and wait
[12:35:05] <Newbe> hmm ok i will try it
[12:35:40] <Newbe> i want to upgrade my linuxcnc to fpga and i am a littlebit confused
[12:35:52] <Tom_itx> mesanet.com
[12:36:07] <Tom_itx> has lots of nice cnc boards
[12:36:17] <Tom_itx> some parport and some pci buss
[12:36:20] <Newbe> i want to buy an mesa 5i25 and plug them to my bob witch is mountet in the machine
[12:36:21] <Tom_itx> soon ethernet
[12:36:46] <Newbe> i dont want o change cabeling is it able to configure in the software to my board?
[12:36:54] <Tom_itx> somewhat yes
[12:37:07] <Tom_itx> you can change bit files to a degree
[12:37:19] <Tom_itx> you will likely have to rewire some things
[12:37:30] <Newbe> i have donaloadet firmware and look the pin files but there is no one matching to my easy board
[12:38:05] <Tom_itx> it's not gonna be plug n play
[12:38:13] <Tom_itx> you will likely have to rewire some things
[12:39:02] <Newbe> and when i solder an adaptor form db25 to db25 and make the crossings there wil this work?
[12:40:58] <Newbe> i have load the HM2 on my new debian system and there are only confusing numbers at the pins i have seen like 000 and 00 and 007 so what ^^
[12:41:00] <Tom_itx> i'd suggest a daughter card
[12:41:22] <Tom_itx> gotta run.
[12:42:27] <Newbe> i thougt about the 7i76 buts to expensive at the moment so i have to find a other reason this coms in a view years
[12:43:05] <Newbe> its all runing on it but the new pc does not have good latency above 60000
[12:44:40] <Tom_itx> stepper or servo?
[12:45:08] <Newbe> stepper and shoult get later encoders for CL
[12:45:28] <Tom_itx> get the 5i25 with the stepper combo board
[12:45:35] <Tom_itx> can't go wrong
[12:45:47] <Newbe> its a 20 channel self build optoouplerboard
[12:45:59] <Tom_itx> ok
[12:46:39] <Newbe> it has work well the last 2 years
[12:47:53] <Newbe> i the description of the anything io are pins begin with 0 is there a configuration available without doughtercard? may be the fallback?
[12:48:42] <Newbe> ans sorry for my english is not my native :)
[12:58:48] <Newbe> the silence mean i am wrong again :/
[13:03:54] <ReadError> Newbe, just hang out for a bit
[13:04:00] <ReadError> pcw_home is the man to talk to
[13:04:02] <ReadError> he works there
[13:05:03] <PetefromTn_> apparently he just released some sort of optocouple relay board recently too might work for you..
[13:06:39] <Newbe> i just play with the fallback firmware there is all selectable i only can look the mesacard is on the way to me and i dont want to have a lot of magic ^^
[13:10:09] <Newbe> ok fallback doenst have some step gen i have seen :( its verry difficult the lpt wars a hard time to get them run fine
[13:14:51] <Newbe> thank you i will write pcw an e-mail:) i hope he isnt confused
[13:21:24] <Newbe> einen schönen abend noch bis bald
[13:24:52] <Newbe> thank you first time and have a nice afternoon :)
[14:38:58] <vapula> hi, anybody know where to buy a cramps pcb in europe ?
[14:39:16] <vapula> (or a full kit, but pcb is already good)
[15:08:54] <cpresser> vapula: thats some arduino board?
[15:10:02] <vapula> no, a beagleboard black cape for plugging pololu servo controllers
[15:10:55] <cpresser> anyway, i would tt
[15:11:02] <cpresser> try "exp tech"
[15:11:14] <cpresser> they sell a lot of 'hacker-friendly' hardware
[15:12:19] <vapula> they do indeed, thx for the pointer. but no cramps
[15:15:36] <PetefromTn_> Here's a question for you guys..
[15:15:48] <XXCoder> yesno
[15:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I am working on the machine here trying to get the last stuff working properly.
[15:16:27] <PetefromTn_> early on I managed to fry the machinists lamp when I applied 110v power to it and it was designed for 12v LOL
[15:16:36] <PetefromTn_> I would like to get it working again.
[15:16:59] <XXCoder> probably melted and fused wires
[15:17:00] <PetefromTn_> It is basically a 12v 55w DC bulb and OSRAM automotive style socket.
[15:17:08] <XXCoder> you'llk have to swap cables in it too
[15:17:17] <PetefromTn_> I have already replaced the wires.
[15:17:22] <XXCoder> hmm
[15:17:31] <XXCoder> wjy not literal car light socket and light?
[15:17:43] <PetefromTn_> now I need to get a 110v replacement option in there.
[15:18:02] <PetefromTn_> it is your typical headlight style plug in lamp.
[15:18:27] <PetefromTn_> http://sk.farnell.com/productimages/nio/standard/5017790.jpg
[15:18:31] <XXCoder> yeah thats why I was wondering if you could just go to junkyard pull a car headlight socket
[15:18:34] <PetefromTn_> it basically looks exactly like that.
[15:18:41] <PetefromTn_> I want to run it on 110v
[15:18:49] <XXCoder> oh dunno
[15:19:03] <PetefromTn_> back when I first fried it I remember I was able to find a lamp to replace it that was 120v
[15:19:03] <XXCoder> why HAVE to use that socket? can always rebuild it to use some other kind
[15:19:07] <PetefromTn_> now I cannot find it
[15:19:56] <PetefromTn_> I want to use that socket because the light housing already takes that style and I would prefer to not have to re-engineer it just for a change of input power.
[15:20:28] <XXCoder> ahh well good luck finding it :)
[15:20:43] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice if the bulb blows down the road to just be able to unscrew the weather proof housing and insert a new bulb.
[15:21:15] <PetefromTn_> I should have bought the lamp and socket when I had it in front of me.
[15:21:17] <XXCoder> how large is lamp space
[15:23:21] <PetefromTn_> like I said it is just like the one in that photo
[15:23:45] <XXCoder> oh I know. I meant spacing arounfd that socket
[15:24:31] <PetefromTn_> the housing is glass with a metal insert to hold the socket so there is not any way to modify it really
[15:25:00] <XXCoder> makes me wonder if its just better to replace whole lamp
[15:41:02] <Jymmm> That's a fog lamp bulb
[15:41:07] <Jymmm> automotive
[15:41:28] <Jymmm> Just use a xmfr or PS and forget trying to make it 120VAC
[15:42:03] <PetefromTn_> why I already had found a 120v solution just need to find it again.
[15:42:20] <Jymmm> then why did you ask if you foudn it already? lol
[15:42:42] <PetefromTn_> plus I would like to be able to run it off the same power that runs the PC up front of the machine.
[15:42:51] <PetefromTn_> I cannot find it again it was awhile back
[15:43:07] <Jymmm> PC PS has 12V
[15:43:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah that's true but is it enough to run a 55w bulb without too much drama and hurting the computers performance?
[15:43:58] <XXCoder> http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/120v+led+light+bulb.html
[15:44:47] <Jymmm> 60W is only 5Amps, and many put out 20A on the 12V line, so I doubt it unless you exceed the PS wattage rating
[15:45:41] <Jymmm> But like XXCoder linkes to, go for LED if you are going thru all this
[15:45:51] <Jymmm> Linked*
[15:46:14] <Jymmm> both put out a lot of heat
[15:48:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-MILACRON-ARROW-500-CNC-ADJUSTABLE-MACHINE-LIGHT-LAMP-12V-55W-/151416756199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23412457e7
[15:48:36] <PetefromTn_> that is what the lamp looks like..
[15:49:14] <XXCoder> looks similiar as one in cnc I use heh
[15:49:23] <XXCoder> one I use is pre led though
[15:49:41] <XXCoder> it says 12v/55v?
[15:49:46] <XXCoder> er w
[15:50:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: These are $10, LED with an AC PS and can be mounted easily
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20169658/
[15:50:24] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Get two of them for more light
[15:51:15] <Jymmm> I doubt it's waterproof, but maybe some shrink tubing could fix that
[15:51:29] <Jymmm> I like mine
[15:51:52] <Jymmm> download the instruction sheet to see how it can be mounted
[15:52:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't wish to replace the lamp the one I have is excellent quality just want to make it work again the least modification and least expense way possible.
[15:53:04] <Jymmm> then leave it 12V and be done with it =)
[15:53:13] <XXCoder> yeah. did you see link for led bulbs? seems those is compitable to your lamp socket
[15:53:17] <Jymmm> a PS is the cheapest solution
[15:53:36] <Jymmm> and easiest
[15:54:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: The bulb he linked to stays in the socket using a spring loaded wire.
[15:54:30] <Jymmm> Unless he has something unique going on.
[15:55:20] <PetefromTn_> honestly the 12 v computer power idea is a pretty good one and I will just have to go buy a bulb and wire it up.
[15:55:47] <Jymmm> Still 12V but LED
http://www.secondeals.com/product/2pcs-car-vehicle-h3-socket-25-smd-led-cold-white-fog-light-lamp-bulb-902647-hhd451-2x
[15:56:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: fuse the line at the soruce too.
[15:57:34] <XXCoder> yeah. make it a led and you can make it pretty darn bright
[15:58:06] <Jymmm> H3 socket...
http://www.amazon.com/Vehicle-Socket-Warm-White-Light/dp/B00FZU73A0
[15:58:57] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Zone-Tech-Generic-LED-9-H3-6000K/dp/B00266Z8JY
[15:59:55] <Jymmm> no wattage given
[16:00:19] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B006WWQLQM/fpv-20/
[16:00:21] <koss> pineapples!
[16:00:55] <XXCoder> theres whole led lights van kit for my van
[16:01:01] <XXCoder> $120 something lol
[16:01:28] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/HELLA-H83135051-Replacement-Floodlamp-Search/dp/B000CO9FHS
[16:02:18] <Jymmm> I want datasheets before using LED bulbs
[16:07:14] <XXCoder> found it
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-16pcs-lot-White-12-volt-Interior-Car-LED-Lights-For-Nissan-Quest-1993-1998/1648568753.html
[16:21:41] <Deejay> gn8
[18:44:17] <roycroft> so my welding table is a bit big for my welding shop (3' x 5' fixed), and the top has become slightly warped over time
[18:44:31] <zeeshan> how thick
[18:44:34] <roycroft> i've been living with its limitations, planning on building a better, adjustable one eventually
[18:44:36] <roycroft> 1/8"
[18:44:38] <roycroft> not very thick
[18:44:41] <zeeshan> not good enough
[18:44:43] <zeeshan> my first table was 1/8
[18:44:46] <zeeshan> shit warped on me!
[18:44:47] <roycroft> today i was at harbor freight and found these:
[18:44:56] <roycroft> http://www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-steel-welding-table-61369.html
[18:45:00] <roycroft> they're on sale for $60
[18:45:05] <roycroft> i picked up a couple of them
[18:45:14] <roycroft> i don't do really heavy welding
[18:45:27] <roycroft> but i can see those warping eventually
[18:45:50] <roycroft> i think they'll be a cheap improvement over my current situation
[18:45:56] <zeeshan> zinc plated
[18:46:00] <zeeshan> is a bad idea for a welding table
[18:46:02] <zeeshan> its good way to get sick
[18:46:33] <zeeshan> sorry to dissapoint =[
[18:46:38] <zeeshan> i just telling trufth!
[18:46:39] <Jymmm> zinc plating is bad for animals too
[18:46:53] <roycroft> i eventually want to build a strong hands clone
[18:47:10] <zeeshan> i think welding 4 zinc plated bolts
[18:47:14] <zeeshan> is enough to make you sick
[18:47:19] <roycroft> hmm
[18:47:22] <zeeshan> if you sniff the smoke
[18:47:29] <roycroft> perhaps i should remove the zinc coating before i use it then
[18:47:35] <zeeshan> yes
[18:47:47] <roycroft> i have a big sandblaster rig and a respirator
[18:47:51] <roycroft> so i can do that
[18:48:12] <roycroft> i've never welded zinc plated bolts/nuts
[18:48:20] <zeeshan> its a bad idea :(
[18:48:22] <zeeshan> tell me how i know
[18:48:23] <roycroft> i always get weldable steel ones when i need to weld them
[18:48:24] <zeeshan> i got metal fume fever
[18:48:36] <zeeshan> i use non plated bolts not
[18:48:37] <zeeshan> or stainless
[18:48:42] <zeeshan> *now
[18:48:52] <roycroft> i use very few zps fasteners, period
[18:49:05] <roycroft> i mostly stock ss and black steel
[18:49:24] <roycroft> well for wood screws i guess i stock a lot of zps
[18:49:31] <roycroft> they're a lot cheaper and stronger than brass
[18:50:20] <roycroft> this is the strong hands table that i'm going to almost clone:
[18:50:22] <roycroft> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200374165_200374165
[18:50:48] <roycroft> they have small ones that are identical to the harbor freight ones i just bought, but for $350 each
[18:51:08] <roycroft> including the zinc oxide coating
[18:51:31] <roycroft> anyway, before i ditch my old table i'll see how flat the hf ones are
[19:08:05] <zeeshan> :D
[19:12:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Y042d8q.jpg
[19:12:13] <zeeshan> damn you guys
[19:12:14] <zeeshan> it fits
[19:12:17] <zeeshan> !
[19:12:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Y042d8q.jpg
[19:16:00] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/gCq6m
[19:16:02] <zeeshan> all the pics
[19:17:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[19:17:12] <zeeshan> what the heck is this
[19:19:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan: A wiring diagram =)
[19:19:52] <zeeshan> achse = axis?
[19:20:17] <zeeshan> i wonder what
[19:20:25] <zeeshan> sw1 sw2 btb mean
[19:20:31] <zeeshan> and "T"
[19:20:49] <Jymmm> zeeshan:
https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#de/en/Achse
[19:21:34] <zeeshan> :D
[19:22:15] <Jymmm> I like google trnslate on my phone, I can take a pic and it'll translate kanji
[19:25:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan: is that the beast you rented a truck for?
[19:26:02] <andypugh> zeeshan: Nice machine
[19:26:06] <zeeshan> Jymmm: yessir
[19:26:11] <zeeshan> andypugh: thanks man!
[19:26:21] <Jymmm> Cool that you final got it moved
[19:27:02] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how did you unload it from the truck?
[19:27:12] <zeeshan> haha
[19:27:16] <zeeshan> very dangerously
[19:27:22] <zeeshan> we had 2 forklifts
[19:27:23] <Jymmm> using?
[19:27:26] <Jymmm> oh, ok
[19:27:31] <zeeshan> they were both rated for 3000lb
[19:27:40] <Jymmm> I see a cherry picker there is why I asked =)
[19:27:41] <zeeshan> so they took the weight together
[19:27:50] <zeeshan> haha that cherry picker woud collapse
[19:27:59] <zeeshan> infact when they forklifts were moving the load together
[19:28:00] <Jymmm> I know, that's why I asked =)
[19:28:02] <zeeshan> one of them tipped forward
[19:28:03] <zeeshan> haha
[19:28:06] <zeeshan> poor thing
[19:28:14] <Jymmm> plus not going to 12ft height either
[19:28:37] <Jymmm> not stablely anyway =)
[19:28:52] <syyl_> hey
[19:28:56] <XXCoder> Mikron machine?
[19:28:57] <syyl_> a bosch amplifier
[19:28:59] <syyl_> yay!
[19:29:02] <zeeshan> syyl
[19:29:05] <zeeshan> got manuals? :D
[19:29:09] <syyl_> no
[19:29:11] <syyl_> :P
[19:29:17] <zeeshan> is the black thing the thing youre talking about?
[19:29:29] <andypugh> We had a mill delivered by HIAB, it reached all the way to the back of the workshop through the door. It was a cool HIAB.
[19:29:45] <syyl_> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[19:29:46] <zeeshan> syyl_:
[19:29:50] <zeeshan> okay
[19:29:50] <syyl_> thats the cover of the bosch
[19:29:51] <zeeshan> that pla te goes here
[19:29:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/A0ZB0HS.jpg
[19:29:56] <zeeshan> top right
[19:30:03] <zeeshan> thres a bunch cards there
[19:30:06] <zeeshan> no clue what they do
[19:30:27] <syyl_> should be the servo drivers :)
[19:30:31] <zeeshan> nice
[19:30:33] <syyl_> for each axis
[19:30:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and german wiring diagrams have some really funky symbols on them too.
[19:30:51] <Jymmm> zeeshan: that one looks clean though.
[19:30:53] <syyl_> i can help you out with the german
[19:31:15] <zeeshan> do you know what the black thing is for
[19:31:22] <zeeshan> i dont understand why its chilling by itself
[19:31:35] <syyl_> which black thing
[19:31:40] <syyl_> the box in the cabinet?
[19:31:46] <syyl_> lower right?
[19:31:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Zq1WuRR.jpg?1
[19:31:52] <zeeshan> that thing
[19:32:07] <zeeshan> i wonder if they had plcs back in the 80s
[19:32:09] <syyl_> runs on 24V
[19:32:11] <zeeshan> cause its got 24v going on
[19:32:12] <zeeshan> yea
[19:32:16] <syyl_> i would bet thats the plc
[19:32:24] <Jymmm> zeeshan: take the cover off and take a pic
[19:32:42] <zeeshan> will do eventually :P
[19:32:50] <zeeshan> it'd be really nice to see a wiring diagram for this thing
[19:32:53] <syyl_> do you have the full wiring diagrams on the machine?
[19:32:54] <syyl_> hr
[19:32:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Then dont ask abou something till ya do silly =)
[19:32:58] <syyl_> sounds like no
[19:33:04] <zeeshan> syyl_: no :/
[19:33:07] <zeeshan> Jymmm: haha
[19:33:10] <syyl_> ask on practical machinist
[19:33:16] <syyl_> there you might have a chance
[19:33:22] <andypugh> There seem to be many more contactors and relays than strictly necessary.
[19:33:23] <XXCoder> syyl_ is presecent
[19:33:24] <syyl_> they have a section on euro machines
[19:33:53] <andypugh> That entire left bay looks vaguely redundant.
[19:34:09] <zeeshan> andypugh: this cabinet is 72"x48"x24
[19:34:11] <zeeshan> its retarded
[19:34:24] <syyl_> many of that stuff belongs to the emergency circuit
[19:34:31] <andypugh> It does seem a whole lot deeper than necessary
[19:34:32] <syyl_> horror to change anything there
[19:34:36] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7chGqM1.jpg
[19:34:39] <zeeshan> im trying to figure this out
[19:34:46] <zeeshan> it looks like theres 4 motors
[19:34:53] <zeeshan> 3 phase. is feeding into each of htem
[19:34:56] <syyl_> it can drive 4 motors
[19:35:00] <zeeshan> oh
[19:35:13] <zeeshan> the servo motors run on 3 phase? ;/
[19:35:20] <zeeshan> er
[19:35:23] <zeeshan> looks like "6 phase"
[19:35:40] <andypugh> It’s more a logic diagram than a circuit diagram. The horizontal lines seem to represent cable runs, not a single cable.
[19:35:51] <zeeshan> oh
[19:36:20] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to know what the symbols mean
[19:36:26] <andypugh> Looks like a 3-phase power supply and 4 x DC sevos
[19:36:35] <syyl_> + on the dc motors
[19:36:45] <andypugh> Well “M” is a motor :-)
[19:36:54] <syyl_> that looks like exactly the same setup as on our old deckel fp2nc
[19:36:56] <zeeshan> lol
[19:37:08] <zeeshan> syyl_: i wouldnt be suprised
[19:37:10] <zeeshan> this looks swiss made
[19:37:34] <zeeshan> could be german
[19:37:41] <zeeshan> since the language is german: P
[19:37:47] <syyl_> the bosch is german made
[19:37:51] <syyl_> thats for sure
[19:37:52] <andypugh> I don’t know what the resistor is shown on each motor circuit. Perhaps it represents a brake?
[19:37:56] <syyl_> i bet the motors are siemens
[19:38:07] <zeeshan> theyre big motors
[19:38:17] <zeeshan> theyre almost as big as the spindle motor
[19:38:24] <zeeshan> weigh like 50lb
[19:38:58] <zeeshan> andypugh: its probably a brake
[19:39:00] <zeeshan> it'd make sense
[19:39:18] <zeeshan> what im trying to figure out is on axis 1
[19:39:28] <andypugh> Braking resistor maybe, I think that perhaps the “T” symbols are actual axis brakes.
[19:39:29] <zeeshan> what SW1, sw2, btb fg i^2t stand for
[19:39:31] <zeeshan> and that big T
[19:40:01] <andypugh> No, wait. T will be the tacho
[19:40:13] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[19:40:20] <andypugh> These are velocity-mode drives with tacho feedback.
[19:40:20] <zeeshan> i guess thats why its a motor symbol too
[19:40:54] <zeeshan> andypugh: machine also has linear scales on it
[19:40:57] <andypugh> i2t is probably some sort of temperature/current sensor?
[19:41:04] <zeeshan> whcih i think it uses to find home position
[19:41:34] <syyl_> they are used for homing and closed loop
[19:41:43] <syyl_> thats for sure
[19:41:43] <andypugh> I would trace wires and seeif sw1 and sw2 are scale quadrature phases.
[19:41:48] <zeeshan> syyl_: why have scale for closed loop
[19:41:51] <zeeshan> when you have tacho?
[19:42:01] <zeeshan> andypugh: okay
[19:42:03] <andypugh> Tacho is only velocity, not position.
[19:42:14] <syyl_> gives the exact position of the axis
[19:42:19] <zeeshan> cant you take the integral of tacho
[19:42:22] <zeeshan> and get position?
[19:42:35] <syyl_> postion of the motor maybe
[19:42:40] <andypugh> It is possible (probable) that the scales only go to the controller, not the drives.
[19:42:48] <syyl_> but there are many elements between motor and axis
[19:42:53] <zeeshan> okay i think before i take anything apart
[19:42:58] <syyl_> and you want the real position of the axis
[19:42:59] <andypugh> sw1 and sw2 are (on reflection) likely to be limit switches.
[19:43:00] <zeeshan> im gonna trace each single wire from the motors
[19:43:01] <zeeshan> and controller
[19:43:05] <syyl_> in terms of accuracity
[19:43:14] <zeeshan> syyl so youre saying
[19:43:19] <zeeshan> the scales are for absolute position
[19:43:27] <zeeshan> so if i power down
[19:43:27] <zeeshan> and power up
[19:43:30] <andypugh> First of all, does it currently work at all?
[19:43:30] <syyl_> yeah
[19:43:30] <zeeshan> i can find out where i am
[19:43:35] <syyl_> of course
[19:43:42] <syyl_> thats a real milling machine :D
[19:43:42] <zeeshan> andypugh: from what i know, it works
[19:43:44] <zeeshan> but i dont have 3 phase
[19:43:59] <zeeshan> guy was using it till
[19:44:02] <zeeshan> he sold his shop
[19:44:11] <zeeshan> then it was stored under a tarp for the last 5 years
[19:44:16] <andypugh> The machine might not care. Try it on single-phase 220.
[19:44:18] <syyl_> start up, reference drive it, know exactly where you are
[19:44:42] <zeeshan> well
[19:44:43] <andypugh> As long as you power up the DC bus it is likely to be happy.
[19:44:44] <zeeshan> i wanna clean the machine up
[19:44:49] <zeeshan> and get a better understanding of what each component does
[19:44:51] <zeeshan> before powering it up
[19:44:57] <zeeshan> and test each component
[19:45:04] <zeeshan> its been sitting for a while
[19:45:11] <syyl_> get a manual for it
[19:45:12] <zeeshan> i dont wanna get killed by some fault shorting out circuit
[19:45:13] <zeeshan> :P
[19:45:21] <syyl_> thereas a procedure to start and reference those things
[19:45:49] <zeeshan> im starting to think
[19:45:54] <zeeshan> the 4th axis on this thing might be the spindle
[19:46:01] <zeeshan> cause its got all 4 drives in there
[19:46:20] <syyl_> or it got a rotary table as an option
[19:46:27] <syyl_> both possible
[19:46:51] <zeeshan> i really want to get rid of this cabinet
[19:46:52] <zeeshan> takes a lot of space
[19:47:07] <syyl_> if that stuff runs
[19:47:13] <syyl_> keep it as it is
[19:47:17] <syyl_> my advice :D
[19:47:57] <Tom_itx> haha KC just kicked arse again
[19:48:15] <zeeshan> andypugh: i was watching your video of indexing the spindle with a vfd
[19:48:21] <zeeshan> how did you deal with slip
[19:48:31] <zeeshan> w/ an induction asynch motor
[19:48:31] <andypugh> I didn’t really. It barely worked :-)
[19:48:42] <zeeshan> how accurately did you get it positioning?
[19:48:50] <zeeshan> within 0.1 deg? :p
[19:49:01] <andypugh> Within about 30 degrees.
[19:49:07] <zeeshan> :D
[19:49:11] <syyl_> yea
[19:49:12] <syyl_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Heidenhain-PLC-Leistungsplatine-PL-110B-/120762800168
[19:49:13] <andypugh> It was an eperiment.
[19:49:18] <syyl_> what you got there is the plc
[19:49:23] <zeeshan> syyl nice!
[19:49:30] <zeeshan> i might be able to replace it
[19:49:32] <zeeshan> w/ a micrologix
[19:49:34] <zeeshan> which is much smaller
[19:49:57] <zeeshan> im gonna start with the basics
[19:50:02] <zeeshan> first get the motors moving
[19:50:07] <andypugh> With lower gearing and a flux-vector drive I reckon it would work fine. But the VFD was really old-school and the gearing was pretty high.
[19:50:11] <zeeshan> then the spindle motor working
[19:50:15] <syyl_> ha
[19:50:21] <syyl_> flux vector sounds so cool :D
[19:50:34] <syyl_> doc brown just came around the corner
[19:50:35] <zeeshan> andypugh: scalar vfd?
[19:50:37] <andypugh> You don’t need a PLC at all if you are converting to LinuxCNC.
[19:50:48] <zeeshan> ofcourse it's going to be linuxcnc
[19:50:54] <zeeshan> die mach3
[19:50:54] <syyl_> wah
[19:50:55] <zeeshan> !
[19:51:05] <syyl_> why remove a perfect working HH controller?
[19:51:13] <zeeshan> syyl the controller
[19:51:15] <zeeshan> is oldschool #1
[19:51:18] <zeeshan> it uses tape sor something
[19:51:18] <zeeshan> for input
[19:51:24] <andypugh> Well, there you are. Your Mill just became €1450 cheaper, you can seel the PLC. :-)
[19:51:31] <zeeshan> rofl
[19:51:48] <zeeshan> syyl
[19:51:53] <zeeshan> howd you know it was model pl110b?
[19:52:02] <syyl_> i dont know
[19:52:10] <syyl_> i googled for heidenhain plc
[19:52:18] <syyl_> "looks the same"
[19:52:23] <zeeshan> :]
[19:52:31] <zeeshan> i wonder how you program it
[19:52:39] <zeeshan> my micrologix uses a db9 connector
[19:52:48] <andypugh> Right, time for me to sleep.
[19:52:51] <zeeshan> gnite!
[19:52:51] <andypugh> Night all.
[19:52:57] <syyl_> gnight
[19:53:00] <zeeshan> https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/images/deluo-tracker-adapter.jpg
[19:53:02] <zeeshan> one of those cables
[19:53:06] <zeeshan> and uses rslogix software
[19:53:28] <syyl_> phu, at least the parameters can be changed via the controller
[19:53:32] <syyl_> a few
[19:53:49] <syyl_> but programming? those things come ready to use from HH
[19:53:56] <zeeshan> well
[19:53:59] <zeeshan> i'd like to pull the program
[19:54:03] <zeeshan> to get an understanding of what its doing
[19:54:54] <zeeshan> thanks for the help
[19:54:55] <zeeshan> im exhausted
[19:55:00] <syyl_> no problem :D
[19:55:02] <zeeshan> running on 3 hours of sleep over the last 3 days
[19:55:04] <zeeshan> time for bed!
[19:55:08] <syyl_> same here
[19:55:10] <syyl_> as for the bed
[19:55:13] <syyl_> gnight
[20:09:14] <zeeshan> damn it
[20:09:15] <zeeshan> i cant sleep
[20:09:20] <zeeshan> i ended up messing around with the machine
[20:09:24] <zeeshan> the damn spindle doesnt spin
[20:09:33] <zeeshan> i wonder if theere is a spindle lock or something
[20:40:51] <PetefromTn_> Evening people...Whatsgoinon LOL
[20:41:45] <zeeshan> look its pete
[20:45:21] <Tom_itx> watchin the charlotte race
[20:45:45] <PetefromTn_> nascar?
[20:46:07] <Tom_itx> ya
[20:46:35] <PetefromTn_> Cool I am more of an F1 fan tho.
[20:46:48] <PetefromTn_> I managed to get down to the auto parts store
[20:46:50] <jdh> ahh... snobby rednecks!
[20:47:14] <PetefromTn_> I found that a typical headlight is the same thing that goes in that machinists lamp on the VMC.
[20:47:36] <jdh> is there a lot of 12v on there?
[20:47:37] <PetefromTn_> Who's a snobby redneck?
[20:48:25] <PetefromTn_> actually no but after talking with JYMM about it earlier he gave me the idea to use the PC's power supply to generate the 12v
[20:49:40] <PetefromTn_> If that does not work I can probably take it from the machines power supply out back by taking it off one side of the 24 volt supply.
[20:50:07] <PetefromTn_> I got a brand new lamp and holder assembly that fits the light housing perfectly as it came from the factory
[20:50:12] <PetefromTn_> It was only like ten bucks
[20:50:34] <PetefromTn_> so I also got some nice crimp connectors and an inline fuse holder to install on the lamp.
[20:50:59] <PetefromTn_> I also have a little automotive toggle switch here I might use to be able to shut it off and on.
[20:52:11] <zeeshan> damn you spindle
[20:52:12] <zeeshan> spin!
[20:54:16] <jdh> cool
[20:54:17] <PetefromTn_> I got the whole lamp assembly rewired and I took it completely apart.
[20:54:59] <PetefromTn_> It was really pretty nasty so I have to clean the housing some more here but I can't wait to get it reassembled so I can finally have some real light inside the machine.
[20:55:16] <zeeshan> jdh
[20:55:18] <zeeshan> is scuba season over
[20:56:01] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131315210979?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=430615998049&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:56:24] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at getting a pair of these to install on the top of the enclosure to add some more ambient light inside the machine,
[20:56:34] <PetefromTn_> The machinists lamp is more direct light
[20:56:42] <PetefromTn_> between the two it should be plenty I think.
[20:57:03] <PetefromTn_> The HAAS machines have something like this and it makes working inside them pretty nice.
[20:58:19] <PetefromTn_> I also finally fixed the air leak from the damn regultor/moisture trap on the back of the machine.
[20:59:56] <PetefromTn_> I added a nice additional air hose run to the front of the machine and a nice pistol grip air blast nozzle for clearing chips and blowing off parts. I got tired of having to drag the shop hose to the machine all the time.
[21:03:08] <PetefromTn_> Was looking at the extra leads on the PC power supply and I was under the impression that the black and yellow wires are the gnd and 12V leads does that sound correct?
[21:03:40] <jdh> yep
[21:04:22] <PetefromTn_> Thanks..
[21:04:45] <jdh> red is 5
[21:04:45] <PetefromTn_> After I get this light housing all wiped off and looking nice and new I am going to try to get it wired into the control.
[21:05:20] <zeeshan> red is 5?
[21:05:21] <zeeshan> !
[21:05:21] <PetefromTn_> do you think a 55w bulb will be a big load on the power supply?
[21:06:26] <zeeshan> is your light ever gonna see coolant?
[21:06:34] <zeeshan> jdh answer me!
[21:08:03] <zeeshan> does anyone know if iso40 spindle holders
[21:08:06] <zeeshan> are all drawbar based
[21:11:40] <zeeshan> http://www.toolstoday.com/images/Product/medium/5854.jpg
[21:11:41] <zeeshan> hm
[21:12:09] <pcw_home> Incandescent lamps may have an up to 10X current surge when switched on cold, this may make a PC power supply fault
[21:12:24] <zeeshan> i think its a pretty silly idea
[21:12:39] <zeeshan> to use a computer power supply to power a light that will likely short
[21:12:46] <zeeshan> when it sees coolant or whatever
[21:12:47] <toastydeath> zeeshan, none are drawbar based that i'm aware of
[21:12:50] <toastydeath> er
[21:12:53] <toastydeath> All are
[21:12:53] <zeeshan> and take your pc supply out with it
[21:12:57] <zeeshan> all that mesa isolation
[21:13:07] <zeeshan> and a lamp powered by a computer psu !
[21:13:20] <zeeshan> toastydeath: all are drawbar?
[21:13:30] <toastydeath> that i am aware of, yes
[21:13:40] <toastydeath> the pull stud type, not the screw type
[21:13:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/js7pUBj.jpg
[21:14:02] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out what this machine uses
[21:14:14] <toastydeath> well it's clearly got drive lugs
[21:14:15] <toastydeath> so it's not iso
[21:14:20] <toastydeath> it's going to be cat or bt
[21:14:24] <zeeshan> it says iso40
[21:14:24] <jdh> he's got a fuse :)
[21:14:25] <zeeshan> in the spec sheet
[21:14:29] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home like I said that lamp is actually what the machine came with it is 12v 55w h3 halogen bulb. do you think it would be safer to run it off the machines power supply?
[21:14:39] <toastydeath> iso doesnt' have drive lugs
[21:14:46] <toastydeath> so the taper itself may be NMTB 40
[21:14:46] <zeeshan> toastydeath: thats what i thought
[21:14:49] <zeeshan> but apparently some do
[21:15:01] <toastydeath> but the actual toolholder cannot be iso because iso does not have drive lugs
[21:15:10] <zeeshan> so its #40 taper
[21:15:15] <toastydeath> CAT, BT and the straight up NMTB has drive lugs
[21:15:26] <zeeshan> how can i tell what kind of tool holder it'll take?
[21:15:36] <toastydeath> ask the person running it
[21:15:38] <jdh> red is 5, why?
[21:15:41] <zeeshan> toastydeath: lol
[21:15:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-MILACRON-ARROW-500-CNC-ADJUSTABLE-MACHINE-LIGHT-LAMP-12V-55W-/151416756199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23412457e7
[21:16:02] <PetefromTn_> that is the lamp I am talking about.
[21:16:13] <zeeshan> jdh that was me trolling
[21:16:18] <zeeshan> the question i was wondering about
[21:16:21] <zeeshan> was is scuba season over? :P
[21:16:25] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: maybe safer use led version. much less current
[21:16:38] <jdh> went yesteday. water was still 78f top to bottom
[21:16:45] <zeeshan> toastydeath: i bougt this machine used
[21:16:49] <zeeshan> i dont know if the guy knows.
[21:16:52] <pcw_home> for incandescent, probably best to run it from a transformer
[21:17:03] <toastydeath> zeeshan, do you know what kind of drawbar lug it takes?
[21:17:10] <zeeshan> toastydeath: no thats the problem
[21:17:14] <zeeshan> i dont have a single tool holder for it
[21:17:15] <toastydeath> lol
[21:17:16] <zeeshan> so i cant tell
[21:17:24] <zeeshan> im thinking maybe pull off that big tapered thing
[21:17:26] <zeeshan> and see whats in there
[21:17:29] <PetefromTn_> I can order some LED lamps for it if you think that would help PCW...
[21:17:33] <zeeshan> if its got something to pull on a stud
[21:17:35] <zeeshan> then i know its pull stud
[21:17:46] <zeeshan> i was hoping for another way to figure it out
[21:18:44] <zeeshan> machine spec sheet says
[21:18:45] <zeeshan> "SO 40 DIN 2080"
[21:19:27] <zeeshan> http://www.industributiken.se/english/holding-tools/tool-holders/sk-iso-holders-din-2080/precision-milling-chuck.html
[21:19:34] <zeeshan> looks like there is a collar or something
[21:19:36] <zeeshan> where something goes in
[21:20:27] <zeeshan> http://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/johne-co-prazisionswerkzeuge/starflex-catalogue/65662-156419-_5.html
[21:20:34] <zeeshan> hm
[22:13:21] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Okay just ordered a small 75 watt 120v to 12v transformer for the lamp thanks for the suggestion.
[22:13:34] <XXCoder> nice
[22:13:50] <zeeshan> whatcha niceing at XXCoder
[22:14:02] <XXCoder> pete comment
[22:14:06] <zeeshan> O
[22:40:57] <zeeshan> yay
[22:41:04] <zeeshan> found a tag on the machine
[22:41:07] <zeeshan> "made is switzerland"
[22:41:36] <roycroft> well at least you know your machine will always be on time
[22:41:38] <Tom_itx> no made in china one?
[22:41:41] <Tom_itx> :(
[22:41:45] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:41:52] <zeeshan> i was checking out the spindle motor
[22:41:55] <zeeshan> this is the first time i've seen this
[22:42:00] <zeeshan> it says Delta/Y
[22:42:08] <zeeshan> then it says 1680/3600
[22:42:15] <zeeshan> and 3.6/4.4 kW
[22:42:25] <zeeshan> so i'm assuming based on if i wire it delta or wye
[22:42:29] <zeeshan> it can be 6hp
[22:42:32] <zeeshan> or 5hp
[22:42:56] <roycroft> perhaps it's the city of switzerland in the province of hunan
[22:43:02] <zeeshan> usually it'll be 208/480v
[22:43:55] <roycroft> just aim a camera at it
[22:43:58] <roycroft> plug it in
[22:44:03] <zeeshan> huh
[22:44:04] <roycroft> and post the fireworks on youtube
[22:44:18] <zeeshan> =/!!
[22:44:28] <zeeshan> no fireworks anytime soon
[22:44:31] <zeeshan> still trying to clean the machine
[22:44:35] <zeeshan> its about a week of cleaning on this thing
[22:44:47] <roycroft> i shall go make dinner now and stop annoying you
[22:44:55] <zeeshan> youre not annoying me :D
[22:45:05] <zeeshan> theres only 1 person who annoys me
[22:45:09] <zeeshan> guess who
[22:46:34] <zeeshan> fine don't guess
[22:46:37] <zeeshan> the answer is myself!
[23:00:42] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/9qoNF8W Woo hoo got the lamp all cleaned up and de-gunked and rewired and reinstalled now. The wiring is sitting in top overhead channel waiting on my new 120v transformer to arrive. Can't wait to have this nice lamp working so I can see what the hell I am doing better in there LOL
[23:54:38] <tjtr33> tilt the Z axis to any angle ,and interpolate circles around it :)
https://videobin.org/+87f/b08.html
[23:56:16] <Connor> 5mm X and Y ?
[23:56:25] <Connor> What sort of machine is this ?
[23:56:46] <tjtr33> edm orbiter needs no more thaqn largest overburn , so 0.5 is enuf
[23:57:00] <Connor> I don't know what that means....
[23:57:22] <tjtr33> um, edm burn steel with electrical sparks
[23:57:36] <tjtr33> then length of the spark is no more than .020 inch
[23:57:37] <Connor> yea. Got that.. so why X and Y no need than 5mm ?
[23:59:02] <tjtr33> overburn is <= 0.5 mm, 5mm is overkill
[23:59:36] <tjtr33> the big part of the machine 'poses' the little machine
[23:59:44] <Connor> I know nothing about EDM...
[23:59:53] <tjtr33> np. not many do
