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[00:00:27] <XXCoder> damn it has auto touchoff. wish old one has it lol touchoffs is annoying
[00:00:39] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/city-of-toronto/cnc-vertical-mill/1006434248?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:00:42] <zeeshan|2> this looks like a nice mill
[00:00:45] <zeeshan|2> a little overpriced though
[00:00:47] <zeeshan|2> i'd pay 2k for it
[00:01:15] <XXCoder> interesting
[00:01:23] <zeeshan|2> looks really beefy
[00:01:26] <zeeshan|2> compared to my machine
[00:01:37] <zeeshan|2> and that new vm5i
[00:01:42] <zeeshan|2> is prolly 60-80 knew
[00:02:06] <toastydeath> noooo thank you on that macine
[00:02:12] <toastydeath> that looks like a BP2 knockoff
[00:02:29] <toastydeath> and the knees on those things are a pain in the dick
[00:03:48] <toastydeath> also 100k is cheap as fuck for anything by DMG
[00:04:23] <XXCoder> the 100k I menioned was that annoying machine (cnc router)
[00:04:31] <PetefromTn_> I like those Hurcos side mount toolchanger YUM!
[00:04:41] <zeeshan|2> toastydeath: why
[00:04:42] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: yeah new one is even better
[00:04:48] <PetefromTn_> but of course
[00:05:01] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty pleased with my Cincinatti Arrow 500 tho ;)
[00:05:04] <toastydeath> DMG is one of the top of the line brands for hard milling/die sinking machines
[00:05:06] <XXCoder> old one dont cover up on runs so I have to spray coolanbt into it once a while to clean it
[00:05:08] <toastydeath> multiaxis things in general
[00:05:27] <PetefromTn_> It just finished my first commercial prototype part and ran like a champ the whole time!! KICKASS!!
[00:05:28] <zeeshan|2> i think dmg is even better than matsurra
[00:05:39] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: how much did you get your arrow 500 for
[00:05:46] <PetefromTn_> CHEAP!
[00:05:51] <zeeshan|2> whats cheap
[00:05:52] <XXCoder> vm20 and larger dont have that problem because larger and chips have hard time getting that far up there
[00:06:00] <XXCoder> pete awesome
[00:06:03] <PetefromTn_> less than a POS used car..
[00:06:11] <zeeshan|2> looks like theyre going for 10k on ebay
[00:06:14] <toastydeath> matsuura has generally focused more on high-volume machines rather than toolmaking machines
[00:06:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah 10-15k usually
[00:06:45] <zeeshan|2> thats a lot
[00:06:46] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:07:09] <XXCoder> hurco vm10 thats old usually go for over 40k
[00:07:10] <PetefromTn_> whats a lot?
[00:07:14] <zeeshan|2> 10-15k
[00:07:15] <zeeshan|2> for a machine
[00:07:21] <zeeshan|2> at least for me
[00:07:27] <zeeshan|2> since it's just a hobby/job shop type of thing
[00:07:42] <PetefromTn_> for a full blown machining center with toolchanger and rigid tapping?
[00:07:46] <zeeshan|2> the main thing i want to be able to do is have ATC
[00:07:58] <zeeshan|2> and be able to do .250 doc in aluminu
[00:08:02] <zeeshan|2> with a 3" facing mill
[00:08:10] <zeeshan|2> rigid tapping you can do on any machine
[00:08:13] <zeeshan|2> as long as it's got vfd
[00:08:18] <zeeshan|2> but atc is a lot harder to implement
[00:08:48] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/hurco-cnc-milling-machine-knee-mill-kmc-3p-atc-3-axis-tool-changer-coolant-/111462576192?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item19f3aff040
[00:08:52] <zeeshan|2> something like this would be SWEET
[00:08:57] <zeeshan|2> what a monster
[00:09:15] <XXCoder> my work has something like that
[00:09:20] <XXCoder> 6 of em?
[00:09:24] <XXCoder> or 8? dunno
[00:09:31] <zeeshan|2> man that's everything i want
[00:09:36] <zeeshan|2> in the budget i want to spend
[00:09:37] <XXCoder> and theres 4 more of similiar variant
[00:09:37] <zeeshan|2> :(
[00:09:41] <zeeshan|2> its jus tnot local
[00:09:51] <XXCoder> rent a truck
[00:10:00] <zeeshan|2> its too far
[00:10:09] <PetefromTn_> man you would be amazed what $2k can get you in a decent used CNC nowadays...
[00:10:17] <PetefromTn_> IF you are willing to retrofit that is.
[00:10:21] <ssi> surely they have used vmcs in canadia, eh
[00:10:26] <zeeshan|2> not for 2k
[00:10:33] <zeeshan|2> theyre at least 8k
[00:10:39] <ssi> yeah but your dollars are worth less :D
[00:10:40] <zeeshan|2> im not spending 8k on a cnc mill lol
[00:10:43] <zeeshan|2> no
[00:10:51] <zeeshan|2> its about the same
[00:10:58] <zeeshan|2> 1usd = 1.10 cad
[00:11:04] <ssi> 10% is not about the same!
[00:11:04] <zeeshan|2> depending on where you exchange
[00:11:18] <zeeshan|2> 2000 * 1.10 = 2200
[00:11:21] <zeeshan|2> not 8000
[00:11:39] <ssi> close enough
[00:12:06] <PetefromTn_> BRB switching to Android and heading up to bed to chat. Closing down the shop now that PARTS ARE DONE DUDE!! LOL
[00:12:12] <XXCoder> yeah like 1" tolenance on 1 mm thick part :P
[00:12:21] <XXCoder> ohh bedtalk lol
[00:12:27] <ssi> lol
[00:12:33] <ssi> on that note, I'm goin to walmart
[00:12:34] <XXCoder> dam missed my joke gonna wait for him to return
[00:12:34] <ssi> see ya hosers
[00:12:42] <XXCoder> walshit
[00:12:49] <zeeshan|2> ssi dont leave us
[00:12:50] <zeeshan|2> !
[00:13:01] <ssi> WAIT FOR ME
[00:13:02] <XXCoder> yes I need social security insurance!
[00:23:11] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks..
[00:23:16] <XXCoder> wb
[00:23:23] <XXCoder> I was saying joke when ya left lol
[00:23:27] <XXCoder> ohh bedtalk lol
[00:24:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Oh yeah.
[00:24:17] <PetefromTn_andro> What's the joke
[00:24:23] <XXCoder> ohh bedtalk lol
[00:25:03] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah bed chat listening to my favorite music
[00:25:54] <XXCoder> lol ok
[00:25:56] <PetefromTn_andro> I really smashed my damn finger it's pretty sore.... Sigh
[00:27:30] <PetefromTn_andro> I'm really glad I finished those parts before the weekend so I don't have to mess with anything
[00:28:33] <PetefromTn_andro> I need to get some more longish sandpaper for my straight Sanders to put that nice brushed finish on the parts
[00:34:35] <PetefromTn_andro> Anyone making anything cool or interesting with linuxcnc tonight?
[00:42:18] <XXCoder> my project is stil stalled poh well
[00:50:39] * Jymmm hands XXCoder a laxative for his stalled poo!
[00:50:45] <Jymmm> ^project
[00:51:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's poo be gone!
[00:52:03] <Jymmm> ...by Ronco!
[00:53:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Hehe
[00:54:22] <PetefromTn_andro> Maybe someone will buy my lathe and I can grab that turning center
[00:54:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Popped that beotch on Craig's list
[00:56:16] <PetefromTn_andro> Ya never know when you're gonna make a sale it kinda creeps up on ya
[01:00:18] <PetefromTn_andro> My pal Art is working on a cnc lathe build right now. He had a 12x36 atlas lathe
[01:01:16] <PetefromTn_andro> He is gonna go servos and Thompson ballscrews. With a vfd drive and new spindle motor
[01:01:54] <PetefromTn_andro> He has already designed a lot of the parts and started machining stuff.
[01:02:31] <PetefromTn_andro> I am trying to talk him out of his beloved turbo cnc and into a linuxcnc build LOL
[02:25:23] <Deejay> moin
[08:02:20] <praeconium> What are ultimaker and replicator of cnc world? :)
[08:04:20] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are no common CNC devices with significant market share.
[08:04:52] <praeconium> Thanks SpeedEvil
[08:05:39] <SpeedEvil> Bascially as 3d printing is 5 years old.
[08:05:48] <SpeedEvil> NC is over a hundred
[08:05:55] <praeconium> If You were a total newbie, knowledge level of building 3d printer.. what would You get Yourself as a hobby machine that could make parts for gifts for example?
[08:06:08] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[08:06:22] <praeconium> As much universal as it get can..
[08:06:33] <SpeedEvil> The answer for rough machining in wood, and machining large quantities of steel varies dramatically.
[08:06:45] <praeconium> Wood primarily..
[08:06:59] <SpeedEvil> For a hobbiest, CNC devices may in many cases be a hundred times the cost of doing it with normal powertools.
[08:07:27] <SpeedEvil> And simple jigs can often replace much of what you think you want to do with CNC
[08:07:56] <SpeedEvil> http://woodgears.ca/pantorouter/ or rather more basic machines
[08:08:28] <SpeedEvil> That's a couple of drawer slides, and $30ish of wood.
[08:08:43] <SpeedEvil> It lets you make really quite accurate things in wood.
[08:08:58] <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: shapeoko?
[08:09:11] <praeconium> That is what I wanted to ask as well
[08:09:12] <praeconium> https://www.inventables.com/technologies/desktop-3d-carving-cnc-mill-kit-shapeoko-2
[08:09:17] <praeconium> Any ideas?
[08:09:25] <SpeedEvil> praeconium: perhaps the first question should have been 'What woodworking are you doing already'
[08:10:23] <praeconium> Very small, I have couple of power tools and hand tools, but I'd like to make some 'art' 'unique' parts .. and learn the technology
[08:10:38] <SpeedEvil> And what skills do you have inelectronics and mechanical design?
[08:10:51] <praeconium> I built reprappro 3d printer
[08:10:58] <praeconium> I know a bit about software
[08:11:02] <praeconium> Enough to make it run
[08:21:10] <archivist> hand carving for real "art"
[08:21:21] * archivist ducks
[08:23:23] <archivist> cnc can be harder to use for some artistic work but easier for patterned work
[08:35:05] <Tom_itx> praeconium get a mendlemax
[08:40:42] <praeconium> I got RepRapPro already, its kinda similar, no?
[08:52:41] <neutrino> is it possible to run a 3d printer with linuxcnc ?
[08:52:47] <neutrino> the one with the belt drive ..
[08:56:42] <Tom_itx> yes
[08:57:30] <SpeedEvil> linuxcnc is a generic thing to go from g-code to machine movement
[08:57:48] <neutrino> Tom_itx: does linuxcnc take care of acceleration and look-ahead ?
[08:57:56] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:58:19] <neutrino> hey SpeedEvil have we met each other on another channel ?
[08:58:24] <SpeedEvil> yes
[08:58:39] <neutrino> hmm archlinux ? raspberrypi ?
[08:58:41] <neutrino> cant recall
[08:58:58] <neutrino> ah yes the pi channel
[08:59:00] <SpeedEvil> pi, possibly
[08:59:14] <neutrino> hmm do you run linuxcnc on the pi ?
[08:59:18] <neutrino> or have you ?
[09:19:25] <neutrino--> SpeedEvil: ?
[09:19:39] <SpeedEvil> no
[09:20:56] <archivist> pi is not up to much
[09:37:34] <PetefromTn_> Morning everyone...
[10:13:06] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I want to get the new U2 Songs of Innocence album but I am not on Itunes and don't wanna be LOL
[10:15:16] <XXCoder> heard that was pushed to all itunes
[10:15:23] <XXCoder> apple released program to remove that
[10:15:36] <PetefromTn_> yup but I WANT it
[10:15:57] <PetefromTn_> anyone got Itunes and have it that could send it to me if they don't want it LOL
[10:16:42] <XXCoder> lol
[10:17:05] <XXCoder> itunes is as useful as extra toe to me :P
[10:18:54] <varesa> Would it be possible (in theory) to run something like linuxcnc on maybe a BBB?
[10:19:49] <Tom_itx> headline: U2 now have what is probably the most deleted album in history.
[10:20:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:20:08] <PetefromTn_> sure.. sent it to me instead of deleting it... Idiots
[10:21:09] <XXCoder> 100,000 copies heh
[10:21:24] <PetefromTn_> more like several million
[10:21:36] <Tom_itx> goes on to mention an invasion of privacy
[10:22:00] <PetefromTn_> sure they basically inserted it into peoples itunes Shit without asking...
[10:22:18] <Tom_itx> apple just lost me forever... not that they ever had me
[10:22:26] <PetefromTn_> If you are not a big U2 fan like me then I can understand people wanting to delete it...
[10:22:38] <XXCoder> pete I was saying that you'd get 100,000 copies if few people hear you want copy lol
[10:22:57] <PetefromTn_> well if you got a copy I want it seriously.
[10:23:12] <PetefromTn_> I am not a big Apple fan never have been.
[10:23:35] <PetefromTn_> but I am a U2 fan always have been since I was a kid.
[10:24:12] <PetefromTn_> so it sucks they chose to release the album to only Itunes so I cannot access it unless I want to add itunes. which I don't.
[10:24:34] <Tom_itx> you can get it off youtube
[10:24:47] <PetefromTn_> How?
[10:24:59] <XXCoder> I guess youtube center
[10:25:04] <XXCoder> I like that plugin
[10:25:06] <PetefromTn_> what you mean a video?
[10:25:12] <PetefromTn_> I want the music album
[10:25:16] <Tom_L> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA9Yz2YLH3U
[10:25:29] <Tom_L> and a nice little tool called total recorder
[10:25:40] <XXCoder> Tom_L: why?
[10:25:47] <Tom_L> i don't want it
[10:25:49] <XXCoder> just get youtube center you can download
[10:26:20] <PetefromTn_> it says MP3 download that works for me now i just gotta figure out how. Thanks Tom_L
[10:27:04] <XXCoder> he left
[10:27:08] <Tom_itx> not really
[10:27:24] <PetefromTn_> WTF there is no sound on that video..
[10:28:50] <Tom_itx> hah
[10:28:53] <Tom_itx> guess not
[10:28:53] <PetefromTn_> well apparently that was a hoax video
[10:29:11] <PetefromTn_> scalawags..
[10:29:35] <Tom_L> This video previously contained a copyrighted audio track. Due to a claim by a copyright holder, the audio track has been muted.
[10:30:03] <XXCoder> ???
[10:30:07] <PetefromTn_> ????
[10:30:17] <PetefromTn_> WTF OVER?
[10:30:32] <Tom_itx> is that not self explanitory?
[10:30:45] <XXCoder> that wasnt what I went ?? over
[10:30:45] <Tom_itx> youtube muted it
[10:30:50] <XXCoder> is tom_l you too?
[10:30:55] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[10:31:07] <PetefromTn_> so nobody here has Itunes and is not a U2 fan LOL?
[10:31:08] <Tom_itx> no sense in having 2 irc going
[10:31:34] <Tom_itx> there are plenty of 'reviews' of it
[10:31:51] <PetefromTn_> Don't care about reviews...
[10:33:09] <Tom_itx> even though it was poor marketing on apple's part, youtube doesn't wanna get sued over it
[10:34:54] <PetefromTn_> All I know is one of my favorite bands, one of the biggest bands in the world just released a brand new album for FREE and I want it. I don't give a rats ass about youtube, apple, reviewers, whiners, they can all kiss my ass.... Just want the damn music hehehe
[10:35:24] <Tom_itx> guess you'll have to become an itunes fan if you wanna hear it
[10:35:55] <Tom_itx> and that's what your favorite band did to you...
[10:36:18] <PetefromTn_> I actually started to download it just to get the album but they want to know everything from your waist size to your first borns name..
[10:36:51] <PetefromTn_> Oh and no that's what APPLE did to me.. The band just sold a huge album deal for mega millions to a company and got paid quick instead of waiting for the sales...
[10:37:29] <PetefromTn_> If I want to get it without apples help It will be available in a couple weeks apparently for regular prices.
[10:38:12] <PetefromTn_> Aah screw it I will just download Itunes and get it and then delete Itunes I guess. Don't want to but I guess I have to....
[10:39:27] <CaptHindsight> doesn't everyone just make up data for those services?
[10:39:41] <Tom_itx> apparently not
[10:39:47] <PetefromTn_> aah I like how you think cappy...
[10:40:19] <PetefromTn_> I guess I am just an honest fellow at heart LOL yeah right.
[10:41:19] <CaptHindsight> I'm Eskimo Princess Null Void, DOB 4/1/72 etc etc
[10:41:44] <Tom_itx> 2/29/xxxx
[10:47:54] <PetefromTn_> just downloaded it. where the hell does it go when you do? I figured it would be in download folder no?
[10:49:33] <Tom_itx> lost forever
[10:49:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am starting to feel that way
[10:50:07] <XXCoder> sorry but song is in other folder
[10:51:54] <XXCoder> big one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FtQG733dC1s
[11:05:33] <PetefromTn_> Awesome....Well Clem Caddiddlehopper just downloaded U2's new album and is enjoying it on his smartphone LOL...
[11:06:39] <zeeshan|2> fuck
[11:06:44] <zeeshan|2> my brain hurts
[11:08:11] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~coby/plas/CH8.pdf
[11:14:27] <SpeedEvil> I prefer my jacobeans to stay safely several hundred years in the past
[11:14:49] <PetefromTn_> Well it's Saturday Morning first day of the LinuxCNC meet here at my house and GUESS WHAT?? I am the only one here surprise surprise... hehehe
[11:16:09] <archivist> I never got an invite!
[11:16:20] <PetefromTn_> EVERYONE got an invite...
[11:16:25] <PetefromTn_> Right here in cyberspace...
[11:16:26] <zeeshan|2> !
[11:16:42] <zeeshan|2> when are people supposed to show up
[11:16:49] <PetefromTn_> NOW!
[11:17:11] <PetefromTn_> everyone had all this stuff they wanted to do this weekend and now crickets...;)
[11:17:35] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will just work on my Cinci spindle encoder all by my lonesome...
[11:17:57] <zeeshan|2> youve been talking about your encoder since before i started my cnc lathe!
[11:17:59] <zeeshan|2> get on that thing!
[11:18:06] <PetefromTn_> kiss the ass...
[11:18:11] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[11:18:16] <Tom_itx> and the tool changer...
[11:18:28] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: did you retrofit your own machine
[11:18:30] <zeeshan|2> or did someone do it for u
[11:18:36] <PetefromTn_> I'm not feelin' the love here lately guys I gotta tell ya...
[11:18:50] <PetefromTn_> I retrofit it myself.
[11:19:00] <PetefromTn_> with the technical help of Connor and my friend Art.
[11:19:13] <zeeshan|2> Art the person who made mach 3?
[11:19:21] <PetefromTn_> no another Art.
[11:19:23] <zeeshan|2> oh
[11:19:30] <PetefromTn_> his name is CountryBubba on CNCzone.
[11:19:37] <zeeshan|2> well atc and encoder shouldnt be anymore diferent to do?
[11:19:37] * Tom_itx snickers
[11:19:54] <zeeshan|2> prolly annoying to figure out the steps though
[11:20:04] <zeeshan|2> fak, i really want a cnc mill
[11:20:04] <zeeshan|2> :{
[11:20:15] <zeeshan|2> i'm a little bummed about not going for that other one
[11:20:22] <PetefromTn_> oh its basically not a big deal really just has not been a priority so far. been trying to make money and get jobs..
[11:20:23] <zeeshan|2> since it's almost the same size as my current bridgeport copy
[11:20:39] <PetefromTn_> looked like it was about twice the size of your bridgeport.
[11:20:45] <zeeshan|2> it's not
[11:20:56] <zeeshan|2> my bridgeport isnt the baby bridgeport
[11:21:08] <PetefromTn_> Fak I really want a CNC lathe..
[11:21:20] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: compare these two images for me please
[11:21:21] <PetefromTn_> is it a 10x50?
[11:22:02] <zeeshan|2> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f21/40141d1321142150-xlo-excello-nc-machine-retrofit-excello-head.jpg
[11:22:02] <zeeshan|2> vs
[11:22:04] <PetefromTn_> My wife is making her WORLD FAMOUS Chicken Chimichangas and I guess I will just have to eat them all by myself here..
[11:22:39] <Tom_itx> you didn't mention that the other day...
[11:22:44] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/vnJGcLX.jpg
[11:22:49] <PetefromTn_> mention what?
[11:23:00] <Tom_itx> food was being served at your fest
[11:23:01] <zeeshan|2> don't they look the same size?
[11:23:18] <PetefromTn_> no they do not...
[11:23:27] <zeeshan|2> and the table on the cnc mill
[11:23:29] <zeeshan|2> is thinner
[11:23:31] <zeeshan|2> vs my table
[11:23:35] <PetefromTn_> of course food is being served what kinda host do you take me for?
[11:23:52] <zeeshan|2> even my column is bigger
[11:24:12] <zeeshan|2> which part makes you think the cnc one is bigger?
[11:24:15] <PetefromTn_> maybe man but you forgot one very important thing.... the other one is ALREADY a CNC... Already has ballscrews and servos and whatnot..
[11:24:30] <zeeshan|2> yes thats all it has, ancient servos and ball screws
[11:24:33] <zeeshan|2> and cat40
[11:24:34] <PetefromTn_> just hook it up to linuxCNC and go.
[11:24:42] <zeeshan|2> no its not that simple
[11:24:45] <zeeshan|2> the ways on it are rusted
[11:24:51] <zeeshan|2> i'll have to take it all apart and clean it up
[11:24:53] <PetefromTn_> hell that is enough to make me go for the CNC one right there..
[11:25:06] <PetefromTn_> Well if it is rusted fine one that isn't..
[11:25:09] <zeeshan|2> it's not hard to put ball screws on a bridgeport
[11:25:16] <zeeshan|2> or put servos
[11:25:20] <PetefromTn_> The one you posted the other day was not the same as that picture too..
[11:25:38] <PetefromTn_> no but it is expensive and time consuming for no gain really.
[11:25:40] <zeeshan|2> http://media.exapro.com/product/2013/06/P30626055/c9916f42d051bbea1b0e1fd550e9b280/used-ex-cell-o-602-vertical-cnc-milling-machine-p30626055_2.jpg
[11:25:43] <zeeshan|2> thats the one i posted
[11:25:54] <zeeshan|2> but it looks bigger only because
[11:25:54] <zeeshan|2> you're looking at the enclosures
[11:25:58] <zeeshan|2> its got enclosures on both sides
[11:26:05] <PetefromTn_> looks like a decent machine.
[11:26:18] <zeeshan|2> yes but not as decent as this:
[11:26:47] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/city-of-toronto/cnc-vertical-mill/1006434248?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[11:26:59] <zeeshan|2> that baby is HUGE compared to my machine
[11:27:17] <PetefromTn_> so go get the fucker...
[11:27:21] <zeeshan|2> too much $
[11:27:22] <zeeshan|2> :{
[11:27:33] <PetefromTn_> make offer and quite whinin'
[11:27:41] <PetefromTn_> quit
[11:27:45] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:28:27] <PetefromTn_> that price is nearly four times what I paid for my Cincinatti Arrow...
[11:28:39] <zeeshan|2> yea but your arrow is way more cooler
[11:28:42] <zeeshan|2> and newer :P
[11:28:50] <PetefromTn_> Damn right....
[11:29:04] <PetefromTn_> I am loving that machine.
[11:29:10] <PetefromTn_> so glad I bought it.
[11:29:24] <zeeshan|2> http://www.geiger-germany.com/store/content/img/452476/1.JPG
[11:29:26] <PetefromTn_> It was kinda scary and not easy to get it here but it is SOOO worth it.
[11:29:33] <zeeshan|2> i consider this type of machine a real fcnc
[11:29:35] <zeeshan|2> *CNC
[11:29:45] <zeeshan|2> it's a great design
[11:29:51] <zeeshan|2> column mill
[11:29:56] <zeeshan|2> huge work capacity
[11:30:10] <PetefromTn_> I understand they are well made machines.
[11:30:18] <XXCoder> FCNC works. Fucking CNC ;)
[11:37:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/3xsAAOSwVFlUHMQa/$_20.JPG
[11:37:13] <zeeshan|2> this is what my ways look like!
[11:37:15] <zeeshan|2> mintt
[14:50:12] <gene78> can someone explain limit3.N.maxv and limit3.N.maxa please?
[14:50:59] <Jymmm> voltage amperage maybe ???
[14:52:44] <gene78> i had assumed maxa was the same as setting a pid.N.maxoutput, but it sails right on by it, tripping Jon pwm servo amp off because the pwmgen hgit 100% duty cycle
[14:53:10] <gene78> hgit=hit
[14:53:35] <gene78> more typu's
[14:54:20] <gene78> i had assumed "maxv" was the same as setting a pid.N.maxoutput, but it sails right on by it, tripping Jon's pwm servo amp off because the pwmgen hit 100% duty cycle
[14:55:07] <jdh> maxv is the slew rate limit (per the man page)
[14:55:16] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/limit3.9.html
[14:55:28] <gene78> i had also assumed that maxa was to be the ACCEL
[14:55:30] <jdh> I would assume .max is the output limit
[14:56:03] <gene78> ok, I can live with that, but then what is maxa, absolute value?
[14:56:12] <jdh> did you read the manpage?
[14:56:24] <gene78> yes, many times
[14:56:42] <jdh> Limit the output signal to fall between min and max
[14:56:50] <jdh> so .max is max output
[14:57:00] <jdh> slew rate to less than maxv per second
[14:57:38] <Jymmm> velocity and acceleration?
[14:57:53] <gene78> Ok, go hack on hal file, back in a bit, thanks
[14:58:14] <Jymmm> (I was just thinking what "a" and "v" could represent *shrug*)
[14:58:29] <jdh> I assume that is what they represent.
[14:59:07] <gene78> thats the problem with concise man pages.
[15:00:14] <jdh> but maxv isn't the max velocity output, it appears to be the max rate of change.
[15:03:14] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slew_rate
[15:03:38] <CaptHindsight> rate of change of output voltage per unit of time
[15:06:33] <CaptHindsight> my best guess to clarify the man page would be to change "limit its slew rate to less than maxv per second" to "limit its slew rate to less than maxv (or maximum voltage change) per second
[15:06:37] <CaptHindsight> or similar
[15:08:38] <Jymmm> What would cause white smoke from a tail pipe in the afternoon?
[15:08:48] <Jymmm> (warm engine)
[15:08:51] <CaptHindsight> and maxa is the second derivative of voltage change "limit its second derivative to less than maxa per second squared"
[15:09:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: white tends to be water
[15:09:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Is there a chance it could be ANYTHING else?
[15:11:38] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: smell any coolant?
[15:13:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I usually get 300 miles to a tank, right now at half tank and 100 miles. Yesterday afternoon I notice a big puff of white smoke that lingered a bit. I haven't check out anything else yet. No noticable smell so far.
[15:14:35] <Jymmm> Maybe aI had a lead foot and could just be a fluke. Not sure.
[15:14:42] <CaptHindsight> hopefully
[15:15:22] <CaptHindsight> if the coolant is low after it cools down you'll know
[15:15:53] <Jymmm> Fucking ford, no radiator cap, only on overflow bottle.
[15:20:16] <gene78> I set those acc the desired slew rates. Verified in hal_show_config. Acts like maxv is .00000125
[15:20:50] <gene78> ran it to get the max from the input that still gave a 1 u-sec off time.
[15:39:25] <gene78> humm, maxv is in the scale its handling, 10x it for S&G
[16:00:59] <gene78> more like 40x is about right, and max is clipping correctly, thanks guys, that and an erratic start solved
[16:26:36] <Deejay> gn8
[16:50:24] <Gabriel_> Hi. I would like to report a problem. In the definition of emcmot_config_t (motion.h) , some variables have been declared after the "tail" variable, and this is causing a split read error. Please move the "tail" variable to the end of the structure. I have no experience with git. Thank you.
[17:01:49] <nofxx> Gabriel_, github?
[17:02:46] <nofxx> Gabriel_, you don't need to learn git, just create a fork and edit via web, next button is 'submit pull request' (sends your code to the other repo, so the owner can merge)
[17:04:58] <Gabriel_> Thank you for the information nofxx. I will dedicate some time to learn github ;)
[18:07:52] <PetefromTn_> Well project one down workin on the spindle encoder for my machine now. Connor is here and SSI is on his way. Just about to eat some Chicken Chimichanga's! I was beginning to think this weekend was a bust but apparently not.
[18:08:16] <XXCoder> just pay for my plane ticket
[18:08:18] <XXCoder> and ill go
[18:08:29] <XXCoder> dont forget to buy few notepads so i can say stuff lol
[18:08:43] <PetefromTn_> meh yeah I will pass sorry man. LOL
[18:08:53] <XXCoder> :)
[18:25:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, checked the oil and radiator fluid level, looks fine. Started it up for the first time today this afternoon, ZERO out of the exhaust pipe. Don't see anything leaking out of the heads, just some oil around the valve covers which have never been tightened.
[18:29:37] <CaptHindsight> I once got some bad gas full of water. Within a mile or so It was blowing out so much white smoke I thought I cracked the block or head gasket.
[18:30:09] <CaptHindsight> when i drained the tank I could not ignite the mixture with a match
[18:34:01] <Jymmm> I REALLY don't feel like dropping the tank. I guess I could disconnect the fuel line at the filter; it's about in the middle of the car, and hotwire the furl pump. Not sure if this fuel pump can run dry though.
[18:35:13] <zeeshan|2> hi Jymmm
[18:35:14] <zeeshan|2> what car?
[18:35:26] <Jymmm> I saved the last fuel filter so I could cut off and reuse the connectors for regular hose if ever needed.
[18:35:39] <Jymmm> 2001 Ford Expedition 2WD
[18:35:53] <zeeshan|2> hmm.. might have a steel fuel tank
[18:35:57] <Jymmm> Same chassis as F150 I believe.
[18:35:59] <zeeshan|2> usually on steel fuel tanks, you have a drain plug
[18:36:09] <Jymmm> Nope, it's plastic
[18:36:12] <zeeshan|2> doh!
[18:36:18] <Jymmm> I had to replace the fucking inine fuel pump
[18:36:28] <Jymmm> in-tank fuel pump*
[18:37:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: This is my writeup...
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1220835-replace-fuel-pump-without-dropping-gas-tank.html
[18:38:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:38:39] <zeeshan|2> $1100 to do a fuel pump
[18:38:53] <zeeshan|2> $600 fuel pum pcost?
[18:38:53] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[20:51:56] <Mark__> anyone here good with tuning velocity servo's
[21:11:40] <tjtr33> hello, i just found a problem with an analog feedback. it used RG59 cable with bnc connectors.
[21:11:43] <tjtr33> the RG59 solid copper broke internally from flexing in wire ways. what kind of wire might I use instead?
[21:12:06] <XXCoder> twisted ones are more flexable
[21:12:46] <XXCoder> I dont know about RG59 but CAT5 does come with solid core and twisted core, latter is many thin wires twisted into one strand so it's more flexable and wont break
[21:13:01] <tjtr33> yah, i hacked in twisted pair , shielded, it works, but its not 'for' BNC connectors
[21:13:35] <XXCoder> can buy evalant wire for BNC?
[21:13:38] <tjtr33> hmm at5 twisted pair and funny ends... think i'll try that
[21:14:01] <tjtr33> cat5
[21:14:04] <tjtr33> thx
[21:14:15] <XXCoder> depends on if it can carry amps
[21:14:41] <XXCoder> I has no idea what your RG59 could carry vs CAT5.
[21:15:33] <tjtr33> I'm on the road fixin machines, in broken arrow OK, zippo amps, 5V oscillator signal
[21:15:51] <tjtr33> the design is bad to use solid copper in flexing ways
[21:16:17] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:16:22] <XXCoder> metal fatique
[21:16:26] <tjtr33> i can try easy enuf, and got scope to chaeck the return signal
[21:17:36] <tjtr33> it was crazy the custome swore it only hapenned at this particular location in xyz and at one angle in C. well he was right but thats just where it flexed just right to open up
[21:17:43] <tjtr33> was fine otherwise
[21:18:00] <XXCoder> ow
[21:18:09] <XXCoder> I HATE ertrors that ponly happen once a while
[21:18:22] <tjtr33> i rearranged the cab;les (50 ft run ) and it appeared in another place. damn!
[21:18:56] <tjtr33> but finally forced it to recurr at will, and was able to find it quick
[21:20:17] <tjtr33> its running right now, outside the wireways, strung from control to a fishing pole to the sensor. good enuf for tests, and i dont need to crack open 50 ft of Igus
[21:20:35] <tjtr33> thx for the idea!
[21:23:08] <tjtr33> haha i need cat5 to 2 bnc connector adapter please, ummm make that 4 please
[21:23:22] <Jymmm> ewwwwwwwww
[21:23:27] <XXCoder> BNC carries that low amp?
[21:29:03] <tjtr33> i suppose it will carry as low as you like. i dont know of any lower limit. i found solder tail BNC at Jameco, thats a possibility
[21:29:43] <tjtr33> fah! those are jacks
[21:30:02] <XXCoder> oh I wasnt sure how much power orginial cabkles carried. if cat5 isnt enough it would warm up
[21:32:24] <tjtr33> this is just a ttl signal, the rg59 was used to protect it over that length
[21:33:41] <XXCoder> oh cat5 is very effecient on carrying signal
[21:33:59] <XXCoder> 1,000 meter is usual rating for CAT5
[21:34:02] <Jymmm> Plastic bottle mouse rat trap (with live demo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDgAuVK1Br0
[21:36:25] <tjtr33> XXCoder, thx i think i can make these work
http://www.mpja.com/BNC-M-3PC-SOLDER-CONNECTOR-RG-59-CABLE/productinfo/25413%20RC
[21:36:30] <XXCoder> imange cnc machine needing all that length LOL
[21:36:38] <XXCoder> full kilometer
[21:37:08] <jdh> they make stranded coax
[21:37:21] <XXCoder> nice
[21:44:24] <skunkworks_> PetefromTn_: how is the fest going?
[21:45:21] <jdh> I think they are still waiting for the strippers to show up
[21:49:18] <skunkworks_> we used stranded, shielded cat5 for our encoder cables
[21:49:18] <skunkworks_> only one though moves (y axis)
[21:49:18] <XXCoder> cable atrippers lol
[21:49:18] <XXCoder> it being cnc party and all :P
[21:49:18] <Jymmm> How do you tune this motor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlO9VZDTWjQ
[22:07:49] <tjtr33> skunkworks_, how are your encoder cat5 terminated? ethernet style plug? T568B?
[22:08:57] <skunkworks_> on one end it is spliced into a ttl/differential converter from digikey and on the other it goes directly into the screw terminals of mesa
[22:09:19] <tjtr33> cool thx!
[22:09:22] <skunkworks_> (our encoders we used are ttl)
