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[00:25:08] <ssi> well damn
[00:28:08] <zeeshan> ?!?
[00:33:51] <ssi> got tornadoed today
[00:34:22] <ssi> came through the airport
[00:34:25] <ssi> destroyed ten planes
[00:34:29] <ssi> ripped the doors off three hangars
[00:34:36] <zeeshan> shit
[00:34:37] <ssi> I was in a hangar three up from the ones that got the doors blown off
[00:34:45] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10649846_10100473561037392_1863093167201700280_n.jpg?oh=3a422e64483fb6da655fa4da73eb2666&oe=549099F3
[00:34:50] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s261x260/10426529_10100473561187092_4538339136722432789_n.jpg?oh=c7f47eca3ed9d5355e0fd4ded6120810&oe=54870FFF&__gda__=1418279424_413280c006eb3281154a371ace367452
[00:34:55] <zeeshan> at least youre fine
[00:34:55] <ssi> https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10659370_10100473561541382_5009840965138369391_n.jpg?oh=442e9d4cf3de4d4549522a01d095f10e&oe=54944697
[00:34:59] <zeeshan> and god doesnt like nazi
[00:35:02] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s261x260/10646981_10100473561910642_6623236850448142945_n.jpg?oh=c16ea059b36b4f886291009309531a43&oe=548B791E&__gda__=1419912101_2adb7db4659076a3d7f43be3b3aa6310
[00:35:07] <ssi> https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10672138_10100473562120222_6693813040661790898_n.jpg?oh=5e36b32e71045e95d693e550ee60bf34&oe=5486616B
[00:35:11] <zeeshan> thats terrible man
[00:35:15] <zeeshan> what tornado rating?
[00:35:17] <zeeshan> where is this?
[00:35:19] <ssi> dunno
[00:35:21] <ssi> 4A7
[00:35:43] <ssi> but that ercoupe still has rope attached to the wings
[00:35:44] <ssi> it was tied down
[00:35:46] <ssi> and the rope snapped
[00:35:51] <ssi> that's a lot of wind
[00:35:58] <zeeshan> interesting
[00:36:00] <zeeshan> it got hit by f2
[00:36:01] <zeeshan> in 2005..
[00:36:03] <ssi> yeah
[00:36:16] <ssi> flattened a hangar
[00:36:29] <zeeshan> at least youre fine
[00:36:34] <ssi> yea I'm fine
[00:36:38] <ssi> it was exciting heheh
[00:36:47] <ssi> had the most intense rainbow I've ever seen right after it came through
[00:38:57] <zeeshan> any videos?
[00:39:02] <zeeshan> of the tornado
[00:39:10] <ssi> no
[00:39:16] <ssi> we were all just taking cover from the rain
[00:39:30] <ssi> I was in a friend's hangar helping him hang lights, and his glasair was pushed out into the ramp
[00:39:37] <ssi> and we pulled it back into the hangar when the rain got really hard
[00:39:43] <ssi> good thing, cause it would have departed
[00:42:14] <zeeshan> i cant stop eating a lemon
[00:42:15] <zeeshan> so delicious
[00:42:16] <zeeshan> :D
[00:43:00] <ssi> ha
[00:43:08] <ssi> I'm going to bed
[00:43:09] <ssi> exhausted
[00:43:10] <zeeshan> cu!
[01:10:20] <tjtr33> usrmot lines spirals and aborts
http://imagebin.ca/v/1Zb0WQECTHDF
[02:02:02] <Connor> Pet
[02:08:38] <Deejay> moin
[07:34:37] <Tom_itx> quite Monday morning...
[07:34:42] <Tom_itx> quiet*
[07:35:55] <jdh> not here.
[07:36:24] <Tom_itx> chips flyin everywhere?
[07:36:49] <jdh> heh, that would be even worse since we don't do machining really.
[07:37:24] <jdh> b0rken machines. Guess I will give up on waiting for maintenance to actually fix things.
[07:37:54] <Tom_itx> good idea
[07:38:47] <Tom_itx> no need to wait for a work order then wait for them to schedule the time then wait for them to figure out the issue since they're not familiar with the machine and it's quirks then wait for parts....
[07:39:49] <Tom_itx> they had one machine down for the better part of a year one place i was at
[07:40:19] <Tom_itx> oh btw, we've never tried this repair before...
[08:07:33] <jdh> maint. shift started at 7. They have been in the cafeteria since 7:05
[08:19:07] <stt_michaelz> they'll be there 'til 8
[08:19:08] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/qcad/index.html
[08:41:04] * Loetmichel is doing some light guides out of black acetal... for led extensions 3mm -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15256
[08:42:04] <Loetmichel> annnt the other side:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15259
[09:14:50] <lair82> Hello guys, I have never really dealt with the different branches of linuxcnc, we've always been using master. Last week I started one of my using 2.6.2, and was using it that way, after talking to going back and forth with some different things, I was informed that I should set it up from the command line to use the 2.6 branch, not the individual part, 2.6.2.
[09:16:37] <lair82> After looking at the install wiki, I tried the line git branch --track v2.6_branch origin/v2.6_branch, and get an error of that origin/v2.6_branch was not valid, or did not exist ( I dont remember exactly, but can go find out). Question is how do I go about configuring/running/tracking the 2.6 branch and get away from running master?
[09:20:32] <CaptHindsight> lair82: what do you have installed tight now? Which Linux? Which repo?
[09:22:08] <lair82> I am running ubuntu 10.04, using master
[09:22:54] <CaptHindsight> when I change Linuxcnc repos, I uninstall and purge the old repo and then install the new one
[09:26:18] <lair82> This morning I started out in my src directory, did sudo make clean, then moved to the linuxcnc-dev directory, did a git reset --hard origin/master to make sure I was starting with a clean slate, then tried to do a "git checkout v2.6" and it errored out
[09:27:07] <cradek> when you ask about an error, you must always say what the error is
[09:27:31] <cradek> that being said, the branch's name is 2.6, not v2.6
[09:28:54] <pcw_home> and
[09:28:56] <pcw_home> git branch -r
[09:28:57] <pcw_home> helps with names
[09:36:05] <lair82> So should I do "git branch --track 2.6_branch origin/2.6_branch" then "git checkout 2.6"
[09:41:29] <lair82> Taking a stab in the dark here, the Installing Linuxcnc Wiki was last updated in january 2013, it looks a little out of date, I would update it if I knew what needed to be changed.
[09:46:45] <Jymmm> If you ever wanted to get external triggering into your android phone... (watch video)
http://www.dx.com/p/3-5mm-plug-shortcut-key-for-android-phone-silver-315648
[10:17:57] <lair82> I just tried "git branch --track 2.6_branch origin/2.6_branch" and got this result "Fatal: not a valid object name: 'origin/2.6_branch', so I did ""git branch --track 2.6_branch" and got this result 'Branch 2.6_branch setup to track local branch master. Then I did "git checkout 2.6" and this was the result "Branch 2.6_branch setup to track remote branch 2.6 from origin. Switched to a new branch '2.6'
[10:18:14] <lair82> Does this look right, am I on the right path?
[11:19:15] <zbychuk> Hi, I will have stepper motor drivers which can give me 1.5 Amps of stable current. Can You tell me which stepper motors would be good for Mantis CNC ver. 9.1, which would work with my stepper motor drivers?
[11:21:16] <archivist> are you going to use that to make a real machine
[11:25:38] <zeeshan> wooo
[11:25:53] <zeeshan> using lab to heat treat
[11:25:58] <zeeshan> then oven goes to 2000F
[11:26:03] <zeeshan> *this
[11:28:52] <archivist> I feel a little ill after seeing the linear bearings glued to the wood on that "cnc"
[11:28:59] <zbychuk> I want to learn on it and maybe in the future i will build something more sturdy and powerfull.
[11:29:51] <zeeshan> archivist: wood cnc's are funny
[11:29:59] <archivist> I fear you will get a hard lesson in constant repair
[11:29:59] <zeeshan> but they can cut wood :D
[11:30:11] <zeeshan> maybe he wantrs to cut plastic
[11:30:13] <zeeshan> or wood
[11:30:42] <jdh> better to learn by doing than not doing.
[11:30:53] <zbychuk> I want to learn on it. I will cut wood, PCB's, plastic, etc.
[11:30:59] <zeeshan> jdh
[11:31:06] <zeeshan> a lesson you've personally experienced?
[11:31:08] <zeeshan> ?!~?!?!
[11:31:12] <archivist> well the example has a pcb! but surly looks like it is far too sloppy to make a decent pcb
[11:31:14] <jdh> of course.
[11:31:20] <zeeshan> :-)
[11:31:31] <zeeshan> GET ER DONE!
[11:31:58] <zbychuk> So, about these motors, what would you recomend?
[11:32:03] <archivist> my metal machine needed some repairs :)
[11:32:09] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/mississauga-peel-region/broach-set-keyway-no-11127/1010687568?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[11:32:13] <zeeshan> archivist: ^ is this a good deal
[11:32:27] <zeeshan> i know those broach sets go for like 500 bux new
[11:32:31] <zeeshan> but ebay market
[11:32:35] <jdh> zbychuk: any small motor that fits.
[11:32:56] <zeeshan> the broaches themself look brand new
[11:32:57] <archivist> zeeshan, yes if you see the retail price
[11:32:58] <jdh> are they 1.5 real amps, or chinese marketing amps
[11:33:01] <Rab> Anybody know if AXIS can be abstracted from the rest of EMC2 over a network?
[11:33:27] <zbychuk> a real one
[11:34:27] <Rab> I'd like to run AXIS (or another interface with backplot) on a remote workstation with fast graphics performance, and have it interact with the real-time components on a headless controller like a BeagleBone Black.
[11:35:10] <zeeshan> rab even if doesn't have the ability to do it
[11:35:18] <zeeshan> i bet you can easily write a driver to do that
[11:35:33] <zeeshan> would be very similar to the vfd driver i wrote with different communication protocol
[11:35:44] <archivist> Rab, there is the nml messaging between the two parts
[11:37:10] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html
[11:37:12] <zeeshan> interesting
[11:37:21] <archivist> zeeshan, I managed to pick up a set at the local army surplus
[11:37:31] <zeeshan> archivist: let me guess you paid $10?
[11:37:32] <zeeshan> :D
[11:37:37] <zeeshan> i have the dumont smaller set
[11:37:48] <archivist> bit more......but not a lot
[11:37:56] <zeeshan> upto 1/4" keyway
[11:38:23] <archivist> I made some adapters for larger and odd sizes
[11:38:24] <Rab> archivist, thanks for the tip. I don't know much about LinuxCNC internals but that seems like a good starting point.
[11:38:42] <Rab> * NML The nml file configures the communication channels used by the LinuxCNC. It is normally setup to run all of the communication within a single computer but can be modified to communicate between several computers.
[11:38:49] <Rab> Sounds encouraging.
[11:41:25] <archivist> zeeshan, unused the broaches should be in the jelly protective gunge if like mine
[11:53:32] <Rab> Sweet, this seems like the solution I'm looking for:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/remote_notes.html
[11:56:56] <zeeshan> hehe mr wallace
[11:57:14] <zeeshan> i used kirk wallace's driver as a starting point
[12:51:52] <Giant81> anyone know if the new version of avamar (7.0) has a linux administration client?
[12:52:28] <Giant81> I can't find it under downloads on the avamar cluster and I can't find anything using google
[12:52:54] <archivist> er wot
[12:53:07] <Giant81> nm
[12:53:18] <Giant81> I typed in #EMC and got linuxcnc??
[12:53:53] <archivist> they made us change our name the evil company
[12:54:25] <archivist> freenode is about open source
[12:54:37] <Giant81> I even tried #emc, and that's invite only
[12:54:40] <Giant81> poo
[12:55:01] <cradek> don't they have a horrible call center somewhere?
[12:56:14] <Giant81> probably, but then I'll hit up our sales rep and make him get it to me
[13:04:32] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:11:48] <JesusAlos> I don't know why, but in axis, when I regular offset to 0, the piece ever stay in same position
[13:12:52] <JesusAlos> I check the same configuration in other PC and don't appear the problem
[13:14:06] <JesusAlos> I follow the point 3 of the guide
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CoordinateSystems
[13:14:15] <JesusAlos> but the problem still
[13:14:55] <JesusAlos> and I deleted too the file linuxcnc.var
[13:15:01] <JesusAlos> and the problem still
[13:16:04] <JesusAlos> my version is 2.6
[13:25:59] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/fd38q4wel/
[13:26:05] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/66iqp4o0r/
[13:27:55] <kb8wmc> question for anyone....using linuxcnc for 3d printer and cannot set velocity (feedrate) fast enough in the .ini file to feed the filament to the print head, anyone know just which parameters in the .ini file have to be changed to increase A-Axis feedrate? tnx in advance...
[13:29:36] <JesusAlos> maybe MAX_VELOCITY
[13:30:03] <JesusAlos> is the global max speed
[13:33:21] <kb8wmc> thanks JesusAlos, tried a bunch of different settings in there, but does not seem to make difference
[13:36:25] <JesusAlos> you have MAX_VELOCITY in [TRAJ] is global max speed
[13:36:38] <JesusAlos> MAX_VELOCITY [AXIS_0]
[13:36:46] <JesusAlos> is the max spead of each axis
[13:37:04] <JesusAlos> [AXIS_n...]
[13:45:58] <JesusAlos> I found the solution of my problem
[13:46:26] <JesusAlos> I was change the directory route of my machine config file
[13:46:32] <kb8wmc> JesusAlos: thanks for the info
[13:46:59] <Tecan> http://www.xup.to/dl,13977571/giffer.7z/
[13:47:01] <JesusAlos> kb8wmc: it was that you need?
[13:48:27] <kb8wmc> I have made changes in both the global settings as well as Axis 3 (A axis) which is set as angular right now....but negligible change occurs
[13:53:51] <jdh> are you software stepping? is your stepgen fast enough?
[13:55:23] <kb8wmc> running Gecko G-540 set to 10 microsteps...stepgen Max accel set to 10,000
[14:00:04] <jdh> what is your BASE_PERIOD ?
[14:01:41] <jdh> anyway, the question I was trying to ask, can your system generate pulses any faster than it is now.
[14:02:35] <kb8wmc> jdh: base period 23000
[14:03:25] <kb8wmc> probably can generate somewhat faster but don't know where the limit is...
[14:06:28] <kb8wmc> jdh: sorry that is what is shown as the minumum base period, and the present test jitter is at 15000
[14:10:41] <jdh> guess that is plenty? like 11rps max with 10uSteps?
[14:10:59] <jdh> I usually forget something doing that though.
[14:11:34] <kb8wmc> what you mean forgetting what
[14:12:12] <jdh> when I do the math (base periods, rising/trailing edge, uSteps, steps/rev)
[14:12:32] <kb8wmc> ah ok
[14:13:43] <kb8wmc> any ideas as to why I can't see any changes in revolution speed, when I have changed the settings all over the board?
[14:14:40] <jdh> my only suggestion was that the stepgen was already at max for the base period.
[14:17:25] <jdh> since you already tweaked all the normal INI velocity
[14:18:04] <jdh> you could pastebin your .ini and .hal in hopes that one of the more informed could look.
[14:18:15] <kb8wmc> jdh: tnx for you input, have to go for now, but will check back later....
[14:18:40] <kb8wmc> tnx again
[15:18:46] <JesusAlos> gn
[15:48:51] <MC500> what is a reasonable deadband setting.. is like 3 seconds way to much?
[16:20:03] <Connor> jdh: You there ?
[16:59:28] <Deejay> gn8
[17:54:17] <jdh> I am now.
[18:16:38] <MC500> can anyone help me calculate deadband? I have a rotary axis with a 9000 count quad encoder (36000/1) on the axis not the servo motor.
[18:33:12] <PCW> deadband is normally no more than an encoder count or so
[18:40:31] <MC500> well the count 36000 is the count per revolution and 1000 is per degree
[18:41:01] <MC500> so I guess one count is .0001
[18:42:23] <PCW> 100 per degreee
[18:45:39] <MC500> so a quad encoder with a 9000 count is 100 per degree? I thought it was 1000 per degree
[19:09:15] <PCW> 36000/360 = 100
[19:09:53] <Jymmm> 100 counts per degree?
[19:10:21] <PCW> Yep
[19:25:50] <MC500> so deadband should be no more than .001?
[19:44:28] <MC500> all I know about my encoder is that it says 9000 lines and is an optical encoder I would think the resolutoin is better than 100 per degree but I am not sure
[19:45:19] <PetefromTn_> Well I had something of a good idea today.. LOL
[19:45:42] <PetefromTn_> I have been working on the design for the new encoder mount for the Cincinatti
[19:46:07] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately I put the new encoder in a safe place when I received it.
[19:46:24] <PetefromTn_> and now for the life of me I cannot recall what that safe place was heheh
[19:46:46] <PetefromTn_> but I did have this other encoder that I have no base mount for
[19:47:00] <PetefromTn_> So I was looking at it this afternoon and decided to take it apart.
[19:47:00] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: good its safe from you ;)
[19:47:10] <PetefromTn_> yup sure as hell is.
[19:47:50] <PetefromTn_> I found that inside the housing it was basically just like the old US Robotics encoders I used on the RF45 build I did.
[19:48:02] <PetefromTn_> So now I am able to use the one I THOUGHT I could not use.
[19:48:32] <PetefromTn_> I have been working on the design again now with the new screw pattern and the bare encoder disk
[19:48:51] <PetefromTn_> The original resolver had a square dust cover on top of it.
[19:49:21] <PetefromTn_> SO I can use the encoder basically naked inside the dust cover without worry about dust or debris getting inside it.
[19:49:58] <PetefromTn_> I am going to drill and tap the holes in the mounting plate to accept either the naked one or if I find the new one at some point I can switch it over.
[19:51:06] <PetefromTn_> SO with any luck I can finally get this damn encoder installed and working
[19:52:30] <PetefromTn_> I know woopie for me right...
[19:54:11] <XXCoder> well good luck man
[19:54:17] <XXCoder> youre making better progress than me lol
[19:55:33] <PetefromTn_> well I am trying but it is slow and I need to get this done finally so I can at least rigid tap and then work on the toolchanger sequencing
[20:04:30] <jdh> I thought you had a spindle encoder
[20:04:39] <jdh> or at least an encoder on the spindle motor
[20:04:45] <PetefromTn_> nope...
[20:04:53] <PetefromTn_> not yet at least.
[20:05:26] <PetefromTn_> I have had one here but as I said for the life of me I cannot find it and I never finished the mount for the encoder to install it with.
[20:08:34] <PetefromTn_> this encoder will be mounted on the spindle motor tho which causes other issues due to the 2-1 ratio of the spindle motor to spindle.
[20:09:27] <jdh> nah
[20:09:40] <jdh> need a spare input to gate the index pulse.
[20:10:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what we were discussing to fix it. Connor wanted to build a real small circuit board and PetefromMesa was talking about doing it in the software of the 5i25
[20:11:14] <jdh> save an input doing it connor's way
[20:11:53] <PetefromTn_> well actually Pete's way the spindle output encoder lines would be used apparently so no inputs would be used I thought he said.
[20:12:44] <jdh> ignore every other Z pulse?
[20:13:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah something like that it is over my pay grade LOL
[20:24:59] <zeeshan> spindle encoder is easy
[20:25:11] <PetefromTn_> Oh of course
[20:25:17] <zeeshan> i just bought a cnc4pc optical board
[20:25:24] <zeeshan> which is just an on/off switch
[20:25:32] <zeeshan> and fed it to an input
[20:25:44] <zeeshan> i thought the whole point of mesa cards was to have 2398123093218 inputs?
[20:26:02] <jdh> so all you get for an encoder is a single index pulse?
[20:26:20] <zeeshan> no
[20:26:33] <zeeshan> theres 2 optical switches
[20:26:40] <PetefromTn_> Funny I thought the whole point of mesa cards was to enable solid reliable integration of about anyting to a CNC
[20:26:45] <zeeshan> one picks up the index pulse the other piks up the other slots
[20:26:58] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: shrug
[20:26:59] <jdh> that's whack
[20:27:03] <zeeshan> my shits running great
[20:27:05] <zeeshan> withgout it
[20:27:12] <zeeshan> but then again i dont need like 2190321389i inputs
[20:27:27] <zeeshan> and i only run at 150ipm
[20:28:01] <zeeshan> i'm going to use the 5i25 when i convert the mill
[20:28:05] <zeeshan> cause i need a lot of i/o
[20:28:15] <zeeshan> and i want to run it at 300 ipm
[20:28:33] <jdh> with servos
[20:28:37] <zeeshan> no!
[20:28:37] <zeeshan> steppers
[20:28:58] <zeeshan> i just know with steppers i oversize em
[20:29:05] <zeeshan> and i dont run into any of that missing step nonsense
[20:29:13] <zeeshan> prolly will run 2100oz-in on all 3 axis
[20:29:18] <zeeshan> with 3:1 on knee
[20:30:02] <zeeshan> or maybe 1200oz-in on the x and y
[20:30:05] <zeeshan> shrug
[20:33:47] <zeeshan> are small servos expensive?
[20:34:00] <zeeshan> i do want to try working with servos
[20:34:04] <zeeshan> just to get some experience with them
[21:02:36] <ssi> zeeshan: I haven't found any affordable small servos
[21:02:43] <ssi> zeeshan: that's why I bought those parker servos off ebay
[21:04:04] <ssi> zeeshan: oh also, just because I have to rub it in, with the 100W laser I can cut 1/4" plywood at 150ipm, and if I don't run 500ipm or more when engraving, it's way too deep and small features cut through
[21:04:29] <XXCoder> lol
[21:04:47] <XXCoder> you in usa ssi? preferable near washington state :P
[21:05:15] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: look for used servos. I come across them all the time.
[21:24:02] <zeeshan> ssi
[21:24:03] <zeeshan> ah
[21:24:08] <zeeshan> you dont have the ability to vary the voltage?
[21:24:13] <zeeshan> er the power for the laser
[21:25:22] <XXCoder> I remember reading about that zerer
[21:25:25] <XXCoder> zee
[21:25:52] <XXCoder> it lowers power as it turns and slows down so it looks even
[21:28:54] <zeeshan> ah
[21:29:16] <XXCoder> no idea if ssi use that or not
[21:37:05] <Connor> jdh: What's the backlash on your Z ?
[21:38:08] <Connor> Trying to decide weather to go double nut on the Z.
[21:38:30] <XXCoder> yes, your cnc needs 2 nuts. ;)
[21:54:03] <ssi> zeeshan: that is at minimum power
[21:54:14] <ssi> they won't turn on unless you run at least about 25% current
[21:54:17] <ssi> which is 25-30W
[21:54:26] <XXCoder> ssi you ever heard of that vary power at slowdowns and turns?
[21:54:37] <ssi> well I actually run in pulsed mode
[21:54:46] <ssi> so it's constant pulses per inch, regardless of velocity
[21:54:52] <ssi> so it doesn't need to lower power in the corners
[21:55:05] <ssi> and I can turn the ppi down to run slower if necessary
[21:57:39] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:57:00] <ssi> solidworks can't open svg
[22:57:01] <ssi> that's annoying
[23:10:12] <XXCoder> ssi: importor?
[23:37:13] <ssi> nope
[23:37:20] <ssi> have to convert it in illustrator or something
[23:38:05] <XXCoder> interest
[23:38:12] <XXCoder> well in least theres a way.
[23:38:13] <Jymmm> open in inkscape, export to DXF, import to SW
