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[01:22:13] <zeeshan> sweet
[01:22:24] <zeeshan> the indenters came out nice
[01:22:39] <zeeshan> a2 is wayyy softer than stainless
[01:22:49] <zeeshan> it machines in my opinion nicer than mild steel
[01:30:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RVRHCVT.jpg
[01:42:35] <toastydeath> ?
[01:42:54] <toastydeath> a2 isn't hard until you make it hard
[01:43:00] <toastydeath> then
[01:43:02] <toastydeath> good luck
[01:43:33] <zeeshan> yes
[01:43:44] <zeeshan> but i was expecting it to be harder to machine than regular steel
[01:44:06] <toastydeath> most people fuck up stainless by accidentally work hardening it
[01:44:22] <toastydeath> and not realizing it's happening
[01:44:37] <zeeshan> hehe
[01:44:43] <zeeshan> you gotta give a lot of feed
[01:44:44] <zeeshan> for stainless
[01:45:01] <zeeshan> to get the chips to carry the heat out
[01:45:25] <toastydeath> not quite the reason why but the action is correct
[01:46:27] <zeeshan> whats the reason
[01:47:03] <toastydeath> all the shear deformations on the lattice
[01:48:10] <toastydeath> goes from a fairly large crystalline structure in the soft state, then a whole shitload of shear happens
[01:48:30] <toastydeath> since stainless can support huge displacements in the structure, it gets quite hard before it breaks
[01:48:52] <toastydeath> so anywhere it's been cut is much harder than the bulk material
[01:49:24] <zeeshan> makes sense
[01:55:04] <archivist> work hardening is also why some mild steels machine badly
[02:15:00] <Deejay> moin
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[04:04:11] <MrSunshine> anyone know of an easy way to remove end grain "flashing" in V grooved stuff in wood ?
[04:04:16] <MrSunshine> its kinda a huge pita =)
[04:06:30] <MrSunshine> maybe lower cutting speed .. but then it will take so much longer to cut :P
[04:10:07] <archivist> how fast and sharp at the moment
[04:11:03] <MrSunshine> huh ? =)
[04:11:35] <MrSunshine> noticed stuff that will require me to lower the speed tho ... its kinda bumby in the cuts ... when it reaches full speed (2500mm/min) cutting speed
[04:11:41] <MrSunshine> cutting -> feed
[04:11:57] <MrSunshine> the cutter is resonably new ... =)
[04:12:06] <archivist> wood usually demands very high rpm and very sharp cutters for good results
[04:12:42] <MrSunshine> 24k rpm is the spindle
[04:12:50] <MrSunshine> tho i might dial back on the feed and it might get better
[04:13:11] <MrSunshine> wood is kinda tricky ive noticed ... the fast growing wood is a real pita to cut and get clean edges :/
[04:14:06] <archivist> yup use wood suited to machining
[04:14:07] <MrSunshine> and V groove bits i cant find any that spirals ... i guess its a kinda hard geometry for them to make =) so its only the straight cutter models :/
[04:14:59] <MrSunshine> archivist, its kinda hard when its a "service" to redo stuff for others, right now im working on a dresser cutting in patterns in the drawers on it
[04:15:46] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:17:59] <archivist> might be better to think on the cutter alignment and direction to get fewer breakouts, i.e. dont let broken cam use the wrong cutting direction
[04:18:51] <MrSunshine> its not breakouts .. its flashing over the whole cutting area (not just edge flashing .. thats easy to remove) ... if i got a V its all over the side of the V =)
[04:22:19] <MrSunshine> sucks that i did not take pictures of it before i painted it (this is a personal project so no biggie on the flashing there but .. :P )
[05:01:30] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: pick a different wood?
[05:11:12] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, i cannot pick when the freakin things are already made of it .. im just decorating already existing stuff :P
[05:14:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[05:14:20] <SpeedEvil> Well - you can make the stuff yourself
[05:14:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[05:15:04] <SpeedEvil> i assume you're doing random patterns with no long straight lines?
[05:15:10] <MrSunshine> yes, but its nice to be able to reuse alredy made stuff =)
[05:16:23] <SpeedEvil> is it to be painted ?
[05:16:42] <MrSunshine> http://i60.tinypic.com/28l413o.jpg
[05:17:02] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, yes, but the fluff on the edges still shows ... even if i were to putty over it etc =)
[05:17:25] <MrSunshine> doesnt show on that picture tho i think but thats the current project .. crap wood from ikea :P
[05:17:59] <MrSunshine> grown like 4cm/year :P
[05:18:08] <SpeedEvil> first - as has been mentioned - really, really, really sharp cutters
[05:18:28] <MrSunshine> mm
[05:18:31] <SpeedEvil> is this several-off, or production/
[05:18:35] <MrSunshine> but cant change cutter for every drawer :/
[05:18:42] <MrSunshine> nah .. special projects
[05:19:08] <SpeedEvil> sharpening the cutter first however is an option
[05:19:13] <SpeedEvil> before beginning
[05:20:50] <SpeedEvil> Also - if you're trying to cut flat panels with 'v' that's basicallycomplete failure
[05:20:57] <SpeedEvil> you need a bull-nosed bit
[05:21:26] <MrSunshine> it has a 0.7mm flat on the end
[05:21:42] <SpeedEvil> right - that has fuck all cutting speed
[05:21:42] <MrSunshine> and i raw cut the bulk with an spiral end mill
[05:21:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[05:22:16] <SpeedEvil> If this is several off - get out a bit of sandpaper, and tidy up the edges
[05:22:31] <SpeedEvil> maybe 5 min per drawer
[05:23:03] <SpeedEvil> A dremel with a sanding drum will let you clean up most of it
[05:23:10] <SpeedEvil> the edges - that is
[05:23:22] <SpeedEvil> if you need to go somewhat quicker
[05:23:48] <MrSunshine> i was thinking if there was some scotchbright discs for dremel or something =()
[05:23:49] <MrSunshine> =)
[05:23:50] <SpeedEvil> If it is just fuzz - a blowtorch run fast over the surface may also work
[05:24:18] <MrSunshine> its quite large fibers that gets bent ... probably due to the wood being non dense so it deforms it :/
[05:24:55] <SpeedEvil> i assume it's mosty at the base of teh grooves that you're seeing it?
[05:25:01] <MrSunshine> hmm, atm its climb cutting also, might help to conventionaly cut it ? =)
[05:25:13] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, nah over the whole side of the cut
[05:25:32] <MrSunshine> bu its only some places. . not everywhere =)
[05:25:56] <MrSunshine> specialy at the summer wood places =)
[05:26:03] <MrSunshine> i think its summer wood .. the less dense wood
[05:26:13] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[05:27:09] <SpeedEvil> the silly solution - route out the whole rectangle, and applique something on
[05:28:23] <MrSunshine> oh well, i guess one shouldnt be to afraid of some elbow greace but .. would be nice if the machine could cut it a bit nicer .. but might try conv/climb milling and different speeds and stuff =)
[05:28:35] <MrSunshine> maybe not so big cut depth either (this is 5mm deep)
[05:34:47] <The_Ball> Just made a fume extractor arm:
https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=01ca0f0c8b53215c313986e700c6e83c&download
[05:35:33] <MrSunshine> oh!
[05:35:34] <MrSunshine> smart
[05:36:09] <The_Ball> just pcv tube and bends and a couple of 3d printed parts
[05:36:14] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: that looks familliar
[05:36:27] <Loetmichel> did something similar for the old CNC mill ages ago...
[05:37:42] <The_Ball> inspiration
http://www.fumair.co.uk/products/ventilated-hoods-enclosures-workstations/localised-fume-extract-arms/
[05:37:52] <The_Ball> but this costs <$50 hehe
[05:39:03] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/sauuuug.avi
[05:47:20] <The_Ball> Loetmichel, wow, that's a lot of tubing
[05:49:29] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: the flexible tubes got ground away by the glass dust in no time
[05:49:40] <Loetmichel> so i thought of something more rigid ;-)
[06:06:09] <The_Ball> Loetmichel, ah, were you cutting glass fibre?
[06:07:03] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: yes
[06:07:23] <Loetmichel> the mill was for a model plane company
[06:07:39] <Loetmichel> so it mostly cut carbon, glass fibre and plywood
[06:07:45] <Loetmichel> (and balsa fo course)
[06:07:57] <The_Ball> sweet, love my rc planes
[06:08:14] <Loetmichel> thing slike this:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4921&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[06:08:37] <Loetmichel> thats 3mm balsa laminated with 2 sheets of 80gr glass
[06:09:14] <The_Ball> that's a very small cutter, 1mm?
[06:09:36] <The_Ball> and is that a vacuum table?
[06:11:49] <Loetmichel> no, its a 2mm cutter
[06:12:06] <Loetmichel> and a particle board sacificial plate
[06:12:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/loebabofertig.avi <-. finished "product"
[06:21:05] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: the grid is 50mm apart
[06:21:17] <Loetmichel> on the mill-tru-plate
[06:21:25] <Loetmichel> this machine was HUGE
[07:12:58] * JT-Shop forgets what is run and what is stop I or O
[08:53:12] <archivist> who did that flying wire rig in linuxcnc?
[09:31:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, nice weld repairs.. they almost look new
[09:33:28] <Jymmm> If I could fasten two pieces of metal together with two 1/4-20 bolts securely. Could I do the same/better with multiple 4-40 screws instead?
[09:33:45] <Tom_itx> that's what the aircraft industry thinks
[09:34:00] <Jymmm> hmmm?
[09:34:16] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, thanks
[09:34:21] <Tom_itx> lots n lots of rivets instead of one big one
[09:34:42] <Tom_itx> Jymmm really depends on the application
[09:34:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: But is that a GOOD thing?
[09:35:01] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, now the controls are tight and smooth and the blade is sloppy
[09:35:02] <Tom_itx> i dunno, planes still fall outta the sky
[09:35:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, guess what your next project will be?
[09:35:40] <Tom_itx> how are the drive sprockets?
[09:37:01] <JT-Shop> the undercarriage is in good shape except for a couple of track rollers
[09:38:53] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: even pressure across a lot of fixings is in general better in all ways than point loads
[09:40:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Ok, that makes sense. Would a consistent torque be a critical factor?
[09:41:47] <Jymmm> The two pieces of metal would be under a "sheering load" (if that makes sense)
[09:41:59] <SpeedEvil> not really - as long as clamping pressure is not high enough to strip threads
[09:44:22] <Jymmm> No, no, nothing like that. Just wanted to make sure that if they were tightened at slightly different torque, it wouldn't be a critical factor is all.
[09:49:37] <SpeedEvil> As long as it doesn't pull out - clamping pressure - and subsequent resistance to lateral movement - is proportional to torque
[09:50:42] <Jymmm> Well, it's the last one I don't know about and why I ask =)
[12:04:34] <MrHindsight> does anyone have a favorite lighting controller that uses the powerline for networking?
[12:05:31] <SpeedEvil> Lightswitches
[12:06:11] <MrHindsight> this is for area lighting not stage and effects
[12:07:52] <MrHindsight> senses the motion of warm meatsacks in the area, monitors time on/off etc
[13:14:05] <Jymmm> \msg ve7it Aint she purrty, I fear the price tag...
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/3991lrg.jpg
[13:37:54] <JT-Shop> is there any drawing programs that can draw electrical ladder or schematics for free?
[13:39:34] <archivist> more than one for schematics, kicad for starters
[13:40:50] * JT-Shop looks
[13:42:23] <archivist> and the other well know one is gEDA
[13:44:28] <JT-Shop> thanks
[13:46:42] <SpeedEvil> blender
[13:46:46] <SpeedEvil> muhahahhahah
[13:52:33] <Jymmm> TheDraw!
[13:55:28] <XXCoder> Paper and pencil
[13:55:59] <Jymmm> chisel and hammer
[14:00:12] <JT-Shop> lol Digikey had a simple one and the drawing is done
[14:47:24] <JT-Shop> anyone have a clue what Gene is talking about on the user mailing list?
[14:47:32] <JT-Shop> topic gedit tools
[14:48:36] <XXCoder> http://welldonestuff.com/sculptural-lighting-fixture/
[14:48:41] <XXCoder> easy to do with cnc :)
[14:49:43] <SpeedEvil> EAsy to do without CNC
[14:50:43] <XXCoder> I suppose
[14:50:54] <SpeedEvil> chop up sheet of ply into 128 bits, screw corners together, go round on a bandsaw in sets of 64
[14:52:00] <Jymmm> Or.... Just lay the wood in the laser, and press start. remove piece, insert new sheet, press start, lather rinse, repeat =)
[14:52:18] <XXCoder> 128 bit lol
[14:52:28] <Rab> The edges look lasercut.
[14:52:29] <XXCoder> 2 64bit INT
[14:52:48] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: the bandsaw may actually be rather faster
[14:52:57] <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah
[14:53:03] <SpeedEvil> burning the edges is an extra step :)
[14:53:04] <zeeshan> haha
[14:53:09] <zeeshan> you cant be serious
[14:53:13] <zeeshan> that a bandsaw would be faster
[14:53:22] <Rab> Don't forget the plastic part. That must have been done on a router.
[14:53:24] <zeeshan> unless youre planning to stack like all of those sheets!
[14:53:28] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: yes, I can. Doing it in stacks of 64 a time
[14:53:41] <zeeshan> you'll but out of tolerance though
[14:53:42] <zeeshan> :)
[14:55:02] <Rab> I'm not convinced this is good design.
[14:55:05] <SpeedEvil> As an aside - I hate that you can't search youtube for videos you've watched
[14:55:17] <zeeshan> you cant?
[14:55:23] <SpeedEvil> There was a much nicer lamp of a similar conceptual design I saw
[14:55:29] <LeelooMinai> There's history
[14:55:31] <SpeedEvil> I mean - only videos I've watched
[14:55:37] <Rab> And it's disheartening that they couldn't straighten the wood panels for the photoshoot. Unless that's intentional somehow.
[14:55:37] <zeeshan> i use history
[14:55:40] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: yeah - but you can't search it
[14:56:07] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: So yes, I can look at the last 30 vids, and click 'load more' and ... - but I can't search probably 600 vids ago easily
[14:56:08] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: ctrl-f? :)
[16:33:42] <Solarlux> Hello all
[16:33:53] <Solarlux> Anyone know some dassault solidworks alternative
[16:33:53] <Solarlux> ?
[16:34:07] <Solarlux> Some software better than solidworks
[16:34:09] <Solarlux> ?
[16:51:55] <jdh> and free?
[16:53:54] <Jymmm> heh
[16:54:22] <Jymmm> Well, JT-Shop got his SolidWorks free!
[16:55:40] <JT-Shop> not hardly
[16:56:29] * JT-Shop pays for SolidWorks every year out of my pocket
[16:56:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, the envelope the renewal bill was free
[16:57:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How much do you think you've paid over the years for SW? $40K total?
[16:59:02] <JT-Shop> 20k
[16:59:30] <Jymmm> Oh, I thought the renewals would have added up to that alone
[17:13:41] <Deejay> gn8
[17:23:49] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YfFko5qhZtY lol
[17:43:52] <LatheBuilder> 7i77 interface with relays...relay coils use 37 mA @ 24VDC and have flyback diodes built in. The way I am reading the 7i77 datasheet it looks safe to drive them direct. pcw_home sanity check me?
[17:45:13] <LatheBuilder> Previous control used dry contact reed switches to drive them.
[17:48:02] <pcw_home> Yes that fine (even without the flyback diodes)
[17:48:17] <pcw_home> but check diode polarity
[17:50:56] <LatheBuilder> Will do. Thanks! Intending to use ENA1 for it (drive enable contactor).
[17:52:17] <LatheBuilder> the 350mA rating on field outputs, I am assuming that is per each up to the total thermal limit cutoff?
[17:52:50] <LatheBuilder> or is that the sum limit?
[17:53:45] <mozmck> I wonder if this is a good deal?
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/tls/4626993674.html
[17:54:27] <XXCoder> 2 of em
[17:54:29] <XXCoder> pretty cheap
[17:54:37] <XXCoder> seems so anyway dunno
[17:54:38] <mozmck> yeah, 2 for one price
[17:54:47] <SpeedEvil> is that a term for a lathe/
[17:54:51] <SpeedEvil> or i itsomething special
[17:55:06] <XXCoder> 4 axis cnc
[17:55:12] <mozmck> chucker? I don't know
[17:55:18] <XXCoder> compyter controller is antque
[17:55:30] <XXCoder> might be worth it if its upgradable to linuxcnc?
[17:55:36] <pcw_home> 350 MA is max each but total per set of 8 outputs is 1.4 A so if they can all be on at once, 175 mA is the limit
[17:55:36] <mozmck> Fairly old - see the reel to reel tapes?
[17:55:56] <SpeedEvil> If your CNC looks like it comes off Flash Gordon- you may have a problem :)
[17:56:14] <XXCoder> maybe try knock it down to 1k
[17:56:23] <XXCoder> then try convert em to linuxcnc
[17:56:40] <mozmck> That would be a deal I'm sure - probably worth that in scrap value!
[17:56:54] <SpeedEvil> even at that, i'd be really, really tempted
[17:57:08] <SpeedEvil> (I'm nowher near)
[17:57:23] <LatheBuilder> Thanks. You build nice hardware.
[17:57:25] <PetefromTn_> If those were nearby I would already be over there looking at them.
[17:57:27] <pcw_home> That does look like a deal
[17:57:31] <mozmck> If the drives are good, I bet a linuxcnc conversion would not be bad.
[17:57:46] <mozmck> I'm about an hour away from them
[17:58:02] <CaptHindsight> unless they have been sitting under water or were in a fire that looks like a good deal
[17:58:04] <mozmck> Don't know if I have time/room/money though.
[17:58:05] <PetefromTn_> IF you are interested shoot em a low ball...
[17:58:25] <PetefromTn_> ya just never know most of the time they just want them gone..
[17:58:30] <SpeedEvil> i mean - if they've been working 2 weeks ago.
[17:58:32] <mozmck> true
[17:58:44] <SpeedEvil> Yeah. Turn up, and just happen to have 1.5K in your pocket
[17:58:55] <XXCoder> run if they menion fires week or so ago
[17:58:56] <PetefromTn_> The CHNC and its siblings have been retrofitted to LinuxCNC several times by folks on here.
[17:59:14] <CaptHindsight> the control panel looks like 60's scifi props
[17:59:26] <mozmck> it says they were functional 2 weeks ago.
[17:59:34] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yeah take it off and use it as prop lol build new computer setup for em
[17:59:45] <PetefromTn_> I would gut the whole thing and start over with those.
[18:00:01] <PetefromTn_> much like I did on my Cincinatti.
[18:00:06] <SpeedEvil> Trying to use the CNC as is would be entertaining
[18:00:21] <mozmck> I don't think I would even try that
[18:00:31] <SpeedEvil> reason for throwing out 'The guy that knew how to work them died'
[18:00:37] <mozmck> gut it and put linuxcnc on it.
[18:00:37] <SpeedEvil> So we bought new
[18:00:53] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[18:01:08] <mozmck> I'm sure newer ones are faster - although these might get faster with new controls
[18:01:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325 for comparison this has been on ebay for months at $2950
[18:04:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131288152475 $2,500 TBI CNC Chucker 8 station turret w/ Fanuc General Numeric GN 6 Series control
[18:04:38] <mozmck> what *does* chucker mean?
[18:04:45] <XXCoder> "probably quick fix" is codeword forn "its dead, jim.
[18:04:58] <Tom_itx> it chucks parts across the room
[18:04:58] <SpeedEvil> A machine to throw things.
[18:05:09] <PetefromTn_> it means it has a pneumatic or hydraulic collet chuch
[18:05:12] <Tom_itx> especially if you don't clamp them in
[18:05:38] <toastyde1th> mozmck, chucker means there's no tailstock and it's built to work on stubby parts
[18:05:46] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: so you might expect to feed a bar in, and out pop 45 little stubby parts?
[18:05:49] <mozmck> collet? the ones on craigslist look like they have power chucks.
[18:05:49] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_lathe#General_nomenclature
[18:06:11] <Tom_itx> we had a few with rotary tables on them so you could load forgings on the table for operations
[18:06:18] <toastyde1th> a power chuck does not mean it's a chucker
[18:06:51] <mozmck> Seems like most CNC lathes I've seen don't have a tailstock
[18:07:00] <toastyde1th> most cnc lathes can be called chuckers, yes
[18:07:14] <mozmck> ok
[18:07:22] <toastyde1th> however it usually (not always) refers to machines that have MAJOR clearance issues
[18:07:26] <toastyde1th> with long parts
[18:07:51] <toastyde1th> the entire hardinge *hnc line is a good example because the toolpost sits directly in line with the spindle
[18:08:03] <toastyde1th> and so if you want to work on a part that's 4" long, you need a 4" toolholder
[18:08:21] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4591798853.html Wish I had the coin for this one... Looks like a good deal
[18:08:29] <toastyde1th> most "chucker" described cnc lathes are the same way - the turret is directly in line with the spindle and is a pain in the balls to work on long parts with
[18:08:35] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00m0m_8okbx1WnjDo_600x450.jpg
[18:08:39] <mozmck> Interesting.
[18:09:53] <XXCoder> I finally took a close look at Hurco lathe cnc
[18:09:54] <toastyde1th> i, personally, hate the fuck out of any *HNC lathes by hardinge
[18:09:57] <XXCoder> its pretty awesome
[18:10:20] <toastyde1th> they're good for short, first-side production runs of low-aspect ratio parts
[18:10:25] <XXCoder> though if I was to be given a free hurco cnc or lathe cnc, I'd pick former
[18:10:49] <XXCoder> seriouslY i'd retrofit it with led lights
[18:10:53] <XXCoder> so old
[18:11:07] <toastyde1th> i would much rather have nearly anything else as a general purpose machine, and if i wanted a manual turret lathe i'd get a standard turret lathe with cross slide and capstan
[18:12:54] <mozmck> toastyde1th: interesting - good stuff to know
[18:13:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/XYZ-Proturn-410-CNC-Lathe-/171445937581 XYZ Proturn 410 CNC Lathe
[18:13:57] <toastyde1th> i always wanted to try a proturn
[18:14:02] <XXCoder> I cant find hurco cnc anywhere for sale
[18:14:06] <XXCoder> must be damn expensive
[18:14:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LC-30-CNC-Lathe-/261586080183 an Okuma in Dallas for $3K
[18:14:36] <toastyde1th> actually, I want to get an older Mazak or Leblonde cnc from the early 70s
[18:14:42] <mozmck> XXCoder: you mean like a hurco mill?
[18:15:07] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1BqN4yyXE
[18:15:20] <XXCoder> I use exactly same machine at work
[18:15:46] <mozmck> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/tls/4637935584.html
[18:16:03] <toastyde1th> if you are looking for a machine like that, look at maatsura and mori seiki instead
[18:16:18] <XXCoder> toast thanks but no way can afford something like it
[18:16:18] <toastyde1th> they make machines in the same form factor, same price range, many times more powerful and rigid
[18:16:22] <mozmck> That okuma is too large for me as well.
[18:16:39] <toastyde1th> that okuma is too large for most people and the tooling it takes is crazy expensive
[18:16:50] <toastyde1th> hope people like buying 1.25" toolholders
[18:16:54] <mozmck> I saw a leblond cnc here for 1000 with chucks and tooling.
[18:17:04] <toastyde1th> if you can fit it, leblond is a great machine
[18:17:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HITACHI-SEIKI-4NE-600-CNC-TURNING-CENTER-FANUC-6TB-CONTROL-/281429082640 on Oklahoma
[18:17:13] <CaptHindsight> on/in
[18:17:15] <mozmck> it was gone before I could contact them
[18:19:00] <toastyde1th> i feel weird because 90% of the machining I'd do for myself and others i would prefer to do manually
[18:19:10] <toastyde1th> i can get it done way faster that way than dicking around with cnc
[18:19:23] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xhurco&_nkw=hurco&_sacat=0 interesting
[18:19:29] <mozmck> I will probably build a cnc lathe.
[18:19:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/daewoo-puma-12L-cnc-lathe-/151402255394 what happened to it?
[18:19:42] <toastyde1th> hogod I don't like daewoo
[18:19:45] <mozmck> for turning mostly wood banjo rims!
[18:19:46] <toastyde1th> stay away
[18:20:00] <toastyde1th> i used to run almost exactly that machine
[18:20:06] <XXCoder> outdoors for way too long
[18:20:55] <XXCoder> toast why stay away
[18:21:05] <toastyde1th> it's big, and sucks for its size
[18:21:09] <toastyde1th> chatters a lot
[18:21:15] <toastyde1th> not all that powerful
[18:21:49] <toastyde1th> like, i always suggest that if you're going to get a machine in THAT form factor - true turning center
[18:22:10] <toastyde1th> that there is no reason to get anything but a good brand, because a mori seiki, okuma, ikeagi, etc are all the same price when they're that old
[18:22:32] <toastyde1th> even if you're getting a smaller machine, like a 10x20 in that footprint
[18:23:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Seiki-4NE-600-CNC-Turning-Center-/281424302581
[18:24:28] <SpeedEvil> Or a box with a chinese guy and a file.
[18:26:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lehmann-Lathe-/281410055803 looks like a WWII submarine engine
[18:29:23] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5N1gxNjAw/z/lpYAAOxywTZSTIyz/$T2eC16JHJG8FGtFtU8WSBSTIyy6e9w~~60_57.JPG I like the industrial stool
[18:29:41] <XXCoder> lol
[18:30:25] <LeelooMinai> Few months more and one will be able to collect all of it in a bucket
[18:31:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-4-Warner-Swasey-M-1420-Turret-Lathe/281418446563 I find these all the time for scrap prices or "just get it out of here"
[18:33:00] <toastyde1th> i drool over those
[18:33:16] <toastyde1th> i'd wait for a more recent one/slightly bigger, but yeah.
[18:33:44] <toastyde1th> if i had my choice most of my manual machine work would be done on a saddle turret lathe like that
[18:34:02] <toastyde1th> actually i guess that one's a capstan but the capstan's mobile
[18:34:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warner-Swasey-no-5-turret-lathe-/111447882179 W&S #5
[18:34:39] <toastyde1th> depends on how much space I have
[18:34:49] <toastyde1th> a #5 would be nice with limited space
[18:35:06] <toastyde1th> but i'd get a smaller 2A if i had more - this one is waay overpriced
[18:35:09] <toastyde1th> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10296-Warner-Swasey-2A-Turret-Lathe-/281169101101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4176fc012d
[18:35:19] <mozmck> My dad has a Gisholt - pretty large
[18:35:30] <mozmck> 19" chuck on it I believe
[18:35:36] <mozmck> 10hp
[18:35:39] <toastyde1th> here we go, this is pretty much exactly what i'd get
[18:35:39] <toastyde1th> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-75-Hole-Warner-Swasey-2A-TURRET-LATHE-Saddle-Type-15-HP-3-Jaw-Chk-Taper-/400764930159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4f73886f
[18:35:51] <toastyde1th> gisholt is also very nice
[18:36:22] <mozmck> I think he would sell it pretty cheap - just sitting there taking up room
[18:37:09] <toastyde1th> a lot of places will just give them away
[18:37:21] <toastyde1th> hobbyists don't want em because they're too big
[18:37:35] <toastyde1th> and businesses don't want em because they want to run as close to lights out as possible
[18:37:45] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: or require expensive setup
[18:37:50] <XXCoder> 2 phase or 3 phase power
[18:37:54] <toastyde1th> nah, the setup's easy
[18:37:59] <toastyde1th> not any harder than a cnc
[18:38:08] <CaptHindsight> I came across one a few years ago by the guy that used to run it. They had the attachments still in the original wax paper
[18:38:24] <toastyde1th> the bigger they are, the easier the setup tends to be because of the features on the lathe
[18:38:38] <toastyde1th> an HNC is harder to set up and use than a W&S or Gilsholt
[18:39:09] <toastyde1th> everything on a big turret lathe is easy to move around and index, you aren't hitting things with hammers and trying to get everything JUST SO
[18:39:18] <XXCoder> Suppose I get hurco vm10 for free (unlikely to extreme) how would I get it 3 phase power for example?
[18:39:35] <toastyde1th> <toastyde1th> hobbyists don't want em because they're too big
[18:39:37] <CaptHindsight> phase converter
[18:39:53] <toastyde1th> being big is part of that, if you don't have enough power to the house to run an RPC you're kinda fucked
[18:40:53] <XXCoder> how much power does it use. for example washer dryer uses a lot of power at 5k wat
[18:41:04] <XXCoder> while rpc uses what?
[18:41:18] <SpeedEvil> a 220v outlet - plus a VFD will pretty much do it
[18:41:19] <toastyde1th> rpc is a phase converter
[18:41:35] <SpeedEvil> VFD helps lots with startup currents which may fuse otherwise
[18:41:52] <toastyde1th> a 10hp machine is ~7.5 kw
[18:41:54] <XXCoder> cool. I dont think I will get large cnc anytime soon
[18:43:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-CE-TOP-QUALITY-220V-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-7-5KW-10HP-34A-/180958238403 $345.60
[18:44:06] <XXCoder> not bad actually
[18:44:43] <toastyde1th> if you want to run a manual machine an rpc is fine, but cncs require a vfd
[18:44:52] <CaptHindsight> Inpute Voltage: 220V±15%
[19:25:38] <mozmck> This is just the kind of thing I'm looking for, but much closer to TX than that! www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-3-Axis-cnc-knee-mill-Bridgeport-Style-Manual-Mill/221541181460
[19:43:11] <MrHindsight> mozmck: check ebay and craigslist every day for 5 minutes, every few weeks there is a really good deal
[20:14:39] <jdh> not here.
[20:15:15] <jdh> I've been checking CL 2-5x day for 2 years
[20:16:13] <LatheBuilder> jdh >> whereabouts?
[20:17:24] <jdh> wilmington.nc.us
[20:18:56] <jdh> all the deals are in cali/kansas/NJ
[20:19:50] <MrHindsight> jdh: what are you looking for?
[20:21:18] <jdh> everything/anything.
[20:23:44] <XXCoder> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10639661_695861340483573_3753885501503816202_n.jpg?oh=28a683efddfdb5da035a53eef47c5e2d&oe=54A8505D&__gda__=1419600695_77001cdab72d629f21ec5b73750f7aa5
[20:23:46] <XXCoder> weird
[20:58:37] <SpeedEvil> Now I want one with five screw-drives and articulated fingers
[21:00:50] <XXCoder> lol
[21:21:28] <XXCoder> man
[21:21:43] <XXCoder> checking few favorites in my "dead or static sites"
[21:21:52] <XXCoder> few of em has been same for years now
[21:21:56] <XXCoder> no update no news.
[21:23:47] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I am stumped..
[21:24:11] <PetefromTn_> I hate to throw useful stuff away.
[21:24:19] <XXCoder> what stuff
[21:24:36] <PetefromTn_> I had two garage door openers here that were both old and finally the last one broke.
[21:24:51] <PetefromTn_> So I took it apart and removed the steel bars from them.
[21:25:10] <PetefromTn_> Now I have a bunch of steel shaped like a T and I am trying to decide what to make out of it.
[21:25:31] <PetefromTn_> I have been thinking about making a stand for my shop fan or maybe some kinda bracket for the CNC.
[21:26:13] <PetefromTn_> I was also thinking about making an adjustable tray that goes under my pendant to hold the industrial dust and moisture proof keyboard I use.
[21:27:01] <XXCoder> so many uses and only two steel t bars
[21:27:26] <PetefromTn_> actually it screwed together and it is more like six tee shaped bars
[21:27:58] <PetefromTn_> They are pretty long and of course I have a lot of other steel here to use with them.
[21:28:26] <PetefromTn_> Just cannot think of anything to make with it and tired of it sitting on the floor in the shop LOL
[21:30:57] <XXCoder> HMM
[21:31:04] <XXCoder> invent 12 different ways
[21:31:12] <XXCoder> list em then roll 2 dice
[21:31:15] <XXCoder> build whatever
[21:31:42] <XXCoder> or just 6 and one die. real even chances that 2 dice dont give
[21:35:57] <toastyde1th> actually you can have any number under the maximum number of things allowed by the two dice
[21:37:19] <toastyde1th> i.e. any number of things between 1-6 for one die, and 55 things for two die
[21:37:24] <XXCoder> toast problem is stats wise you cant get even chance with 2 dice
[21:37:31] <toastyde1th> don't add them
[21:37:42] <XXCoder> how so?
[21:37:43] <toastyde1th> and that problem goes away - the events become independent
[21:37:54] <XXCoder> yes but how dermine?
[21:38:01] <toastyde1th> basic statistics?
[21:38:22] <XXCoder> no, if dont add em together how do you dermine entry of list with 2 dice
[21:38:27] <toastyde1th> first digit, second digit
[21:38:30] <PetefromTn_> jeez man you guys are just so helpful.
[21:38:31] <XXCoder> ahh
[21:38:40] <XXCoder> yes that makes sense.
[21:38:43] <XXCoder> thanks
[21:38:46] <toastyde1th> np
[21:39:28] <XXCoder> its flippin' hot here
[21:39:30] <XXCoder> 90f
[21:39:37] <XXCoder> last hurrah of summer here
