#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-09-03

[01:28:36] <JesusAlos> hi
[02:08:27] <Deejay> moin
[02:43:34] <JesusAlos> I have a doubt about tool table
[02:45:33] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/7vt8upu5b/
[02:45:49] <JesusAlos> the machine don't take the offset value
[06:06:47] <JesusAlos> hello
[06:07:19] <JesusAlos> I don't know why my machine don't take the tool table offsets
[06:07:26] <JesusAlos> I try G43
[06:07:35] <JesusAlos> and follow the instructions manual
[06:07:55] <JesusAlos> but seems like don't do something ok
[06:09:09] <archivist_herron> the table you showed earlier first entry had an offset, is that what you want?
[09:08:44] <jdh> isnt' tool1 typically your zero ref? I suppose that is just convention and not a requirement though?
[09:18:42] <jthornton> that is what I use on my CHNC lathe
[10:41:39] <PetefromTn_> Morning guys
[10:44:22] <jthornton> morning Pete
[10:44:24] <jdh> 'sup PeteFromNYbutwantstobeinFLbutnowinTN
[10:44:41] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah that prettymuchsumsitup...
[10:47:57] <jthornton> got spindle?
[10:48:22] <PetefromTn_> Working on these spindle motor bearings today... Having some difficulty getting off the top bearing right now. Don't want to screw it up and it won't fit in the press unfortunately.
[10:48:52] <jthornton> yea, you want to be super careful with those babies
[10:49:07] <PetefromTn_> sure
[10:49:50] <jdh> that's why they make 5lb hammers
[10:51:01] <PetefromTn_> I have one a those LOL
[10:51:46] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: did they make it difficult to remove the bearing?
[10:51:56] <PetefromTn_> no not really..
[10:52:02] <PetefromTn_> its just kinda tight
[10:53:52] <PetefromTn_> Gonna pull out my big pulley puller here in a minute.
[10:54:13] <jdh> we have some round induction heaters for bearing removal
[10:55:46] <PetefromTn_> Cool when can you send it to me LOL
[11:10:13] <jdh> it will never leave the site, it's on the hot side of the shop.
[11:11:51] <skunkworks> the 'glow in the dark' side?
[11:11:51] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man I am quite sure I can get on without it I was of course kidding ......thus the little LOL at the end there ;)
[11:14:59] <jdh> skunkworks: in theory. but if you see the glow, it's too late.
[11:15:17] <jthornton> I don't care for the "new" PayPal interface
[11:16:02] <PetefromTn_> what new interface? I use paypal all the time. IMHO it is a great resource. Wish their fees were less tho...
[11:16:47] <jthornton> the business one
[11:16:58] <jthornton> looks like it is geared to a tablet
[11:17:43] <zeeshan> speaking about bearings
[11:17:54] <zeeshan> i was trying to pull dowel pins out of my engine
[11:17:57] <zeeshan> holy shit they were seized
[11:18:06] <zeeshan> tried hammering them with 5lb sledge, 15lb dumbell
[11:18:09] <zeeshan> would not budge
[11:18:21] <zeeshan> drilled a hole to relieve some pressure, and repeat hammering no go
[11:18:27] <zeeshan> tried a socket and bolt and c-clamp, no go
[11:18:30] <zeeshan> this is how they came out:
[11:18:43] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/iR54q7z.jpg
[11:18:59] <zeeshan> i had to drill a hole and leave like 20-30 thou of material
[11:19:04] <zeeshan> and chiseled it out
[11:19:04] <zeeshan> =/
[11:19:15] <zeeshan> oh i tried tapping them and using a slide hammer too
[11:19:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/fppEfWu.jpg
[11:19:32] <zeeshan> theyre finally out!! :D
[11:20:14] <zeeshan> damn cars
[11:21:07] <WalterN> cutting steel woo
[11:21:13] <JT-Shop> weld a nut to the end and the thermal shock will loosen them usually
[11:21:56] <jdh> now you tell him.
[11:21:56] <zeeshan> jt-shop
[11:21:58] <zeeshan> forgot to mention
[11:22:03] <zeeshan> i used oxy torch
[11:22:08] <zeeshan> to heat up the area around the dowel too
[11:22:38] <zeeshan> first time dealing with dowels this stubborn
[11:23:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/bwlV4mw.png
[11:23:11] <JT-Shop> problem with that is you heat the dowel as well
[11:23:18] <zeeshan> redesigning the turbo placement currently
[11:23:18] <WalterN> zeeshan: apply moar hammer!
[11:23:34] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: yes it expands the dowel and does more press fitting
[11:23:56] * JT-Shop wanders inside for lunch
[11:24:06] <JT-Shop> hmmm a nice warm bowl of gruel
[11:30:40] <jdh> drill the center, put in liquid He
[11:30:41] * archivist points zeeshan to the dremel and diamond burrs, no heat damage
[11:30:52] <zeeshan> jdh
[11:30:56] <zeeshan> thats actually a good idea
[11:31:07] <zeeshan> i wonder if you can get a small container of liquid he
[11:31:17] <jdh> n2 is cheaper
[11:31:31] <SpeedEvil> carbide burrs work too
[11:31:55] <archivist> depends how hard the pin/bolt is
[11:32:04] <zeeshan> dowels are usually case hardened
[11:32:11] <zeeshan> so theyre stupid hard at the skin
[11:32:14] <zeeshan> but very easy to drill after that
[11:32:20] <zeeshan> at least this one was
[11:32:28] <jthornton> http://thecuriousphysicist.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/how-do-you-make-liquid-helium/
[11:32:35] <zeeshan> i used an angle grinder to eat through the surface
[11:34:13] <jdh> we have big dewars of liquid He (and N2)
[11:34:45] <zeeshan> i think one of those 16 oz bottles would be nice
[11:34:47] <zeeshan> in n2
[11:35:11] <zeeshan> id heat the outside
[11:35:15] <zeeshan> and then quench the dowel
[11:55:50] <archivist> hmm I get to see this tomorrow should I covet it too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191299172039
[11:57:49] <jdh> nah
[11:58:40] <archivist> that size is right for manual clock work
[12:12:23] <PetefromTn_> Well I just got the damn stubborn top bearing off wound up basically having to cut the damn thing off. Now I went to remove the larger bottom bearing only to find that my set of snap ring pliers is not large enough and the damn snap ring is pretty large and stout.
[12:12:42] <PetefromTn_> Trying to use other tools now to get the damn thing off so I can remove the bottom bearing.
[12:17:09] <Jymmm> two tapered nails in a 1/4" ID tube
[12:17:34] <zeeshan> after workng on transmissions
[12:17:38] <zeeshan> i have like 2190381320983 snap ring pliers
[12:17:44] <zeeshan> bastards use different ones
[12:18:38] <PetefromTn_> Oh and another note of interest... Angular contact bearings with phelonic ball cages do NOT like being pressed on the wrong way LOL... I am sure I will be able to find the little balls at some point in the next decade.
[12:19:12] <archivist> this snap ring needs a very strong tool http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_16_vertical_head/IMG_1254.JPG
[12:19:22] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: are they snap rings like this:
[12:19:28] <zeeshan> http://www.predatorrc.com.au/images/2asnap.jpg
[12:19:28] <archivist> not been able to get it out yet
[12:19:28] <zeeshan> or
[12:19:43] <zeeshan> http://www.turnbolt.co.za/assets/images/Retaining-Ring-for-Shaft.jpg
[12:19:50] <zeeshan> or the ones lon the bottom
[12:20:06] <PetefromTn_> top left...
[12:20:24] <zeeshan> theres a trick to removing snap rings that are stuck
[12:20:32] <zeeshan> you hammer the shaft the other way to relieve pressure
[12:20:57] <PetefromTn_> Oh its not stuck it is just a large snap ring that takes the right tool which I unfortunately do not possess.
[12:21:04] <jdh> yet
[12:21:08] <zeeshan> grab one
[12:21:09] <zeeshan> theyre cheap
[12:21:16] <archivist> I can move it in the groove, not stuck, just effin springy
[12:21:34] <PetefromTn_> I may have to drive into town and buy one unfortunately I am kinda tapped out right now..
[12:21:36] <Jymmm> Cheap needle nose and grind the tips down
[12:22:02] <zeeshan> archivist:
[12:22:05] <PetefromTn_> I actually tried the needle nose several of them and I cannot get them to hold onto the ring too well.
[12:22:08] <zeeshan> these for me didnt work: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1303929354/free-shipping-good-qualityFour-in-one-multifunction-circlip-font-b-pliers-b-font--font-b.jpg
[12:22:18] <jdh> those nver work
[12:22:19] <archivist> mine is 5-6" diameter
[12:22:27] <Jymmm> ah
[12:22:29] <PetefromTn_> that is exactly the kind I have here..
[12:22:39] <zeeshan> those work for small snap rings
[12:22:49] <zeeshan> as soon as its like a 1" + snap ring
[12:22:50] <jdh> need solid ones for big rings
[12:22:51] <zeeshan> its a pain in the ass
[12:22:53] <archivist> far too small and weedy I have them too
[12:22:58] <Jymmm> I have some snap-on ones with assorted replaceable tips
[12:22:59] <PetefromTn_> they have usually worked for most rings I have had to remove but this ring is quite large and stout.
[12:23:16] <zeeshan> http://imperial-tools.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/92_1.jpg
[12:23:18] <zeeshan> my big ones are like that
[12:23:22] <zeeshan> they have 15" handles
[12:23:35] <PetefromTn_> I need to pickup one like that.
[12:23:43] <zeeshan> those nose is changeable
[12:23:52] <zeeshan> comes with like different diameter noses
[12:23:57] <zeeshan> and 90 deg, 45 deg in each diameter
[12:24:08] <PetefromTn_> It funny I two large toolboxes full of tools and it always seems like I am missing something after all these years of buying tools.
[12:24:18] <zeeshan> you can never have enough tools!!!
[12:24:29] <archivist> impossible to get a full set of tools
[12:24:35] <zeeshan> since youre in a bind
[12:24:47] <zeeshan> i'd just grind down a long needle nose pliers
[12:24:49] <PetefromTn_> actually I am quite regular..
[12:25:03] <zeeshan> then put your damn cnc back together
[12:25:08] <zeeshan> and cnc a set of pliers
[12:25:08] <PetefromTn_> Been low carbin it for awhile now..
[12:25:18] <zeeshan> =D
[12:25:29] <PetefromTn_> wish I could but as I said the bearings went aflight from the old bearing set.
[12:25:33] <jdh> that's teh problem. no strenght for the 'stout' 0.5" ring
[12:26:02] <zeeshan> the worst is when you break the holes
[12:26:05] <PetefromTn_> My router spindle mount is PROBABLY not gonna cut it for machining steel snap ring pliers I think..
[12:26:06] <zeeshan> in a snap ring
[12:26:46] <PetefromTn_> I'll figure out something.. I had to take a break before I got angry and threw the entire armature across the shop....
[12:26:49] <jdh> ever tried using two sharp objects and one slips and gouges your other finger
[12:26:58] <zeeshan> jdh lol
[12:27:04] <zeeshan> aka stabbing yourself?
[12:27:09] <jdh> don't try that.
[12:27:11] <PetefromTn_> Daily
[12:27:19] * archivist had minor damage from a job this morning
[12:27:33] <zeeshan> self ownage
[12:27:48] <zeeshan> i used to push ratchets away from me
[12:27:58] <zeeshan> and one the ratched slipped
[12:28:03] <archivist> I was so busy I never noticed till I saw the blood later :)
[12:28:05] <zeeshan> and i gouged myself so deep i can could see my bone
[12:28:14] <zeeshan> from that day on, i only pull on ratched
[12:28:26] <zeeshan> so if my hand slips, it hits my body
[12:28:37] <zeeshan> not some bloody sharp ass metal
[12:29:04] <jdh> if I did that and hit my rock hard abs, I'd break my wrist
[12:29:10] <zeeshan> hahhaha
[12:29:12] <PetefromTn_> BAH!
[12:29:35] <PetefromTn_> I learned that the hard way and switched to pneumatic tools wherever and whenever possible..
[12:30:02] <zeeshan> you cant torque down flywheel bolts with pneumatic tools :P
[12:30:08] <zeeshan> thats what i was doing when it slipped
[12:30:11] <zeeshan> owned!!
[12:58:12] <roycroft> so for this cnc router i'm building, what about v groove rails and delron wheels?
[12:58:22] <roycroft> i was going to do a skate bearing type of thing
[12:58:55] <roycroft> the v groove rail and wheel parts look easier to align, but i'm not sure how accurate nor durable they are
[12:59:08] <archivist> what are you going to cut as your accuracy and rigidity come from those wheels
[12:59:30] <roycroft> wood, plastic, and non-ferrous metals
[12:59:35] <roycroft> including brass upon occasion
[12:59:42] <roycroft> mostly engraving of the metals
[12:59:50] <roycroft> certainly no serious milling
[12:59:52] <archivist> brass with plastic wheels!
[13:00:31] <roycroft> metal v groove wheels are available
[13:00:45] <roycroft> most of the v groove rails i see are aluminium, though
[13:00:50] <roycroft> and mostly not hardened
[13:01:17] <roycroft> i'm reluctant to consider metal wheels on that kind of rail material
[13:01:19] <archivist> for wood and plastic machines that would be ok
[13:01:45] <roycroft> i could go with 20mm metal rods, but those are pretty expensive
[13:01:55] <roycroft> and i like the compactness of the v groove rail systems
[13:02:05] <roycroft> real estate is expensive in my shop at this point
[13:02:14] <roycroft> because i have too much stuff
[13:02:34] <archivist> impossible to have too much stuff :)
[13:02:54] <jdh> I nave not enough stuff and not enough space for it.
[13:03:00] <archivist> it is the lack of space that gets the real blame
[13:03:03] <roycroft> when there is no room to enter the shop any more there's too much stuff :)
[13:03:17] <roycroft> i'm not at that point yet
[13:04:40] <archivist> I am, this was getting a just made frame out of the garage http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_15_glass_trolley/IMG_1526.JPG
[13:06:01] <CaptHindsight> there is still room to squeeze through, plus look at all the room on top
[13:06:24] <roycroft> you need to build an extension!
[13:07:07] <jdh> uhm... you ahve too much shit.
[13:07:16] <archivist> noooo
[13:07:29] <jdh> time to cull
[13:07:53] <archivist> neva
[13:08:16] <CaptHindsight> 3 weeks after you get rid of something you'll need it after storing for years
[13:08:36] <jdh> two completely covered up lathes?
[13:09:03] <archivist> the one on the left is the sliding head, southbend on the right
[13:09:47] <archivist> southbend can by used at a "uncovering moments" notice
[13:09:51] <archivist> be
[13:10:36] <jdh> a really long 'moments' notice
[13:10:49] <jdh> after finding a few boxes to move all that stuff to
[13:10:54] <archivist> nope about 5 minutes max
[13:11:10] <jdh> it's ok, not all delusions are bad.
[13:11:12] <archivist> much less on it at the moment
[13:35:32] <JesusAlos> by
[14:28:48] <lair82> Hello Guys,
[14:31:55] <lair82> As if things couldn't get any more crazy on my end, I have finally gotten past the remap problems from yesterday, and now I stumbling across a new, very, very strange problem. At random, with no real repeating pattern, when I press machine on/off, mdi, or even the box in the top right corner to close out, the main pc re-boots. Any thoughts?
[14:32:32] <lair82> Power surge/short to the motherboard?
[15:52:47] <jthornton> sounds like a hardware problem... did you check the HD status and memory?
[16:04:49] <PetefromTn_> Well I broke down and headed into town to buy a pair of larger snap ring pliers. I got a neat set that auto switches between inside and outside that has a good wide jaw opening. It has switchable inserts that lock in with a cam and one nice thing I noticed is the pins on the inserts were tapered instead of straight to make it easier to hold onto the rings. Pretty cool
[16:05:52] <PetefromTn_> Just managed to get the snap ring off and damn even with this new pliers it was still a stout ring and not at all easy to remove. Good news is the ring is off as are the old bearings. Now I can clean up the whole armature and prelube and install the new bearings finally.
[16:06:05] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully I can get this thing reinstalled later tonight.
[16:06:26] <PetefromTn_> Wish me luck guys!! I would prefer to NOT booger up these new expensive bearings.
[17:02:23] <Deejay> gn8
[17:20:32] <anarchos2> is linuxcnc multithreaded?
[17:21:05] <anarchos2> if i was going to buy a low end AMD cpu, would i want a higher clocked dual core or a lower clocked quad core?
[17:46:25] <JT-Shop> actually many get better performance isolating to 1 core
[17:47:08] <JT-Shop> what you want is low latency not huge graphics capable power eating monster CPU's
[17:47:22] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, hows it going?
[17:48:22] <PetefromTn_> Well I got both old bearings off and cleaned everything up getting ready to eat some dinner now but I want to get the new bearings lubricated and installed here after dinner and try to get the motor back assembled.
[17:51:10] <ssi> https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/7809/18061/gSok6FemKUTzx7M/upload.png
[17:51:14] <ssi> 100W tube is here :)
[17:51:17] <ssi> working on a mount for it now
[17:51:22] <ssi> bastard is huge
[17:54:15] <anarchos2> JT-Shop, yeah, i was thinking of going with one of those new AM1 CPU/GPUs
[17:54:24] <anarchos2> can't go wrong for $35, right? :P
[17:55:52] <anarchos2> 25W, should be fairly cool inside my control cabinet
[17:57:54] <anarchos2> I'm going to put a 6i25 on it...just not sure if i want to go low power, dual/quad core 1.4ghz, or high power (75W) 3.something ghz cpu :P
[18:00:45] <WalterN> anarchos2: you know you want to play games on your CNC controller
[18:02:08] <anarchos2> lol :P
[18:06:07] <JT-Shop> holy carp ssi it is huge
[18:07:05] <JT-Shop> could be a flux capacitor or an Illudium Q-36
[18:14:46] <MrHindsight> anarchos2: we have been using all of the different AMD APU's
[18:16:05] <MrHindsight> anarchos2: you can use one of the E350 mini-itx boards for ~$70 or one of the newer 2 or 4 core APU's
[18:19:26] <anarchos2> i was thinking the new AM1 microatx boards
[18:19:27] <anarchos2> and cpu
[18:19:36] <anarchos2> $35 each, seems pretty good
[18:23:01] * JT-Shop wanders inside to toss some brats on the barbie
[18:25:19] <PCW> The must have been pretty bad to deserve that treatmant
[18:25:24] <MrHindsight> anarchos2: we have had problems with the Biostar boards with EFI not recognizing Linux or only some installs
[18:25:38] <MrHindsight> or/on
[18:26:19] <MrHindsight> no problems so far with Asrock or Asus
[18:30:20] <anarchos2> good to know
[18:30:37] <anarchos2> i was going to go with biostar
[18:32:04] <anarchos2> are you using ssd?
[18:32:12] <anarchos2> i was thinking of maybe trying to go with a SD card
[18:37:59] <Tom_itx> ssi, your neighbors better look out for you
[18:41:08] <MrHindsight> anarchos2: been using desktop and laptop HD's, no SSD's
[18:43:34] <anarchos2> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CF-Compact-Flash-Type-I-II-to-Serial-SATA-Adapter-9693-Free-shipping/286554067.html
[18:43:52] <anarchos2> i'm thinking that might be worth a shot. for $4 you can't really complain if it's junk :P
[18:44:27] <t12> building out a machine with a pile of these meridian drives
[18:44:29] <t12> they're interesting
[18:44:39] <anarchos2> but at the same time, CF is not the best for a OS, with memory having a limited amount of writes
[18:44:48] <anarchos2> maybe i need a legit, really small ssd
[18:45:45] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/rx1974n430kakyd/AAAYmDdQe4MyIkfx76MiorXEa
[18:45:49] <LeelooMinai> anarchos2: Below 128GB they tend to have diminishing returns very fast - you just may end up buying something close to 128GB anyways.
[18:48:12] <zeeshan> anyone go ta 3d printer in here
[18:48:16] <anarchos2> there's Sandisk 64gb SSDs for $50
[18:48:21] <anarchos2> that's not outrageous
[18:48:34] <zeeshan> anarchos2:
[18:48:46] <zeeshan> i highly recommend find reviews on the read/writ speeds
[18:49:01] <zeeshan> a lot of cheapo ssds dont even come to close to writing as fast as their competitors
[18:49:07] <zeeshan> like whats the point of a 100MB/s ssd
[18:49:16] <zeeshan> when a regular drive can write at 80MB/s
[18:49:24] <LeelooMinai> anarchos2: Also note that <128GB disks will suffer performance penalties as they do not use as many memory chips in parallel.
[18:49:24] <zeeshan> most good ones write at 300MB/s
[18:49:28] <t12> scatter performance
[18:49:38] <t12> linear read/write performance is rarely the limit
[18:49:43] <anarchos2> i'm more about reliability, i think
[18:50:07] <anarchos2> i'm not going to be attempting to write HD video onto the thing, 300mbps might be a little more than i need :P
[18:50:26] <LeelooMinai> $50 sounds good, but for $14 more you can have twice the size:)
[18:50:38] <anarchos2> $14 for what?
[18:50:55] <LeelooMinai> I mean for $64 you can have 128GB SSD
[18:51:09] <anarchos2> url?
[18:51:09] <zeeshan> LeelooMinai: link?
[18:51:17] <anarchos2> also, i'm canadian, so probably $80 :P
[18:51:25] <LeelooMinai> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171646&leaderboard=1
[18:51:31] <LeelooMinai> Just first random search
[18:51:40] <LeelooMinai> Maybe they are even better deals - I don't know
[18:51:47] <LeelooMinai> there*
[18:52:02] <zeeshan> nice!
[18:52:07] <zeeshan> ive been looking for a cheapo one
[18:52:21] <anarchos2> yea i was looking at the 64gb version of that
[18:52:23] <LeelooMinai> I put 128GB to my "cnc pc" too
[18:52:47] <LeelooMinai> Because smaller sizes very only a bit cheaper
[18:52:49] <zeeshan> http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/330/SanDisk-SDSSDP128G
[18:52:53] <zeeshan> doesnt look like its got write performance
[18:53:08] <zeeshan> 9.07MB/s
[18:53:08] <zeeshan> lol
[18:53:37] <LeelooMinai> I think you are misreading something
[18:53:41] <zeeshan> http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/OCZ-Vertex-450-256GB/Rating/1605
[18:53:45] <zeeshan> thats what i have
[18:55:21] <zeeshan> iu dont know why ocz stopped making drives
[18:55:22] <zeeshan> :(
[18:56:17] <zeeshan> oh
[18:56:20] <zeeshan> its only that one thats out of stock
[18:56:48] <anarchos2> http://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Digital-2-5-Inch-SV300S37A-120G/dp/B00A1ZTZOG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1409787133&sr=8-3&keywords=ssd
[18:56:59] <anarchos2> that got 3rd best value in those ratings from the URL above
[18:57:02] <zeeshan> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228105&cm_re=ocz-_-20-228-105-_-Product
[18:59:55] <LeelooMinai> I have samsungo 840 pro on my desktop, but for secondary PC, like cnc-dedicated one, any will do
[19:02:52] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: OCZ http://www.extremetech.com/computing/171784-ocz-files-for-bankruptcy-toshiba-to-acquire-assets-but-warranties-could-be-lost
[19:03:07] <ssi> Tom_itx: ;)
[19:04:16] <anarchos2> my only issue is that this super cheap computer i'm making for the controller is going to be more powerful than any of my desktops :P
[19:04:48] <anarchos2> maybe i should reconsider and buy a cheapo desktop first, as there's nothing wrong with my controller as is....i just wanted something small to mount into the control cabinet
[19:07:19] <zeeshan> mr hindsight ahhh
[20:06:00] <ssi> https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10620725_10100470486488812_6510813634492687160_n.jpg?oh=5fc5c5f878d7fa85131a0f287e1a9e8a&oe=548209EA
[20:06:03] <ssi> hahahaha
[20:09:03] <CaptHindsight> ssi: need to build a longer table now?
[20:21:45] <ssi> CaptHindsight: no that tube will fit in the table
[20:21:54] <ssi> just not between the gantry rails
[20:21:55] <ssi> it goes behind them
[20:25:35] <jdh> what are teh 'parts' on teh table?
[20:27:16] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p417x417/10424231_10100451411560122_8360694036607109705_n.jpg?oh=284de4cc441f91f593ad15395157be73&oe=546EB8B2&__gda__=1417677220_cf5e86aefd6eab28a2c10be30db1edf7
[20:28:33] <jdh> heh, wood sextant?
[20:29:06] <jdh> that's pretty cool. and that was the 40w tube?
[20:29:15] <ssi> yeah
[20:29:31] <jdh> I need one of those.
[20:29:36] <jdh> for something I'm sure.
[20:29:41] <ssi> I ordered a power meter; I wanted to shoot the 40W laser before I swapped them
[20:29:46] <ssi> but the meter won't be here for another week and a half
[20:29:47] <ssi> so screw it
[20:30:08] <jdh> I had a cabinet with 2 or 3 power meters and tons of other stuff.
[20:30:16] <ssi> laser power meter?
[20:30:24] <jdh> think we just dumpstered it all.
[20:30:34] <jdh> yeah. also had 3 5kw YAGs
[20:30:49] <ssi> dumpstered that too? :(
[20:30:51] <jdh> with "i" being work.
[20:31:25] <jdh> tried to give them away for play money to other plants but nobody wanted htem. They sat in an outside storage place for a couple of years then I lost track of them.
[20:31:30] <jdh> they are gone though.
[20:31:36] <ssi> :(
[20:31:46] <jdh> they could do some serious water heating.
[20:32:06] <ssi> I could put a 5kw yag to work
[20:32:07] <ssi> heh
[20:32:57] <Jymmm> jdh: about how big were they?
[20:33:43] <jdh> 5 kw
[20:33:53] <Jymmm> jdh: in real estate
[20:34:13] <jdh> physically, about 8x3x4 ft
[20:34:26] <Jymmm> *sigh*
[20:35:10] <jdh> 3phase, sucked some serious power. Crank them up, beam diverter either goes out teh fiber or into the water
[20:35:22] <jdh> so they were always firing
[20:43:32] <CaptHindsight> jdh: were they used for welding or cutting?
[20:46:37] <jdh> welding
[21:11:33] <PetefromTn_> Well I managed to get the spindle motor bearings greased properly and installed very carefully into the Spindle motor armature and into the housing.
[21:12:16] <PetefromTn_> It is a curious design with angular contact bearings that are not preloaded really except with a wavy washer at the top. It is not even a very thick washer at all.
[21:13:32] <PetefromTn_> I got it all buttoned up and started installing the fan motor plates and the key and pulley which attached to the bottom of the shaft with a large washer and SHCS to set the depth and then a large setscrew to hold its position and keep the key in place.
[21:13:49] <PetefromTn_> Turning it by hand it turns very smooth and silent so I guess that is good LOL
[21:14:32] <Jymmm> What is "Schedule 40/80" ?
[21:14:48] <PetefromTn_> Unfortunately my wife had to get to bed here and we were unable to get the motor installed back in position atop the millhead. I am not sure if I can do it myself but I may try it here in a bit. I would just hate to have it fall or get dropped after all that work.
[21:15:56] <PetefromTn_> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pvc-cpvc-pipes-pressures-d_796.html
[21:16:48] <zeeshan> Jymmm: its the thickness of the pipe
[21:17:08] <zeeshan> for stainless
[21:17:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan: ty, as I'm looking at black pipe
[21:17:11] <zeeshan> sch10 is like .109
[21:17:16] <zeeshan> sch40 is .145
[21:17:34] <zeeshan> Jymmm: just be careful with pipe!
[21:17:40] <zeeshan> 1-1/2 p ipe for example
[21:17:41] <Jymmm> ?
[21:17:46] <zeeshan> is like 1.680OD
[21:17:59] <zeeshan> and the id depends on the schedule
[21:18:13] <zeeshan> i build exhaust manifolds out of pipe
[21:18:36] <zeeshan> and then exhaust piping is made out of tubing
[21:18:58] <Jymmm> Yeah, it looks like I want SCH 80
[21:19:08] <zeeshan> that'll be harder to source in steel
[21:19:17] <zeeshan> for some reason a lot of blackpipe stuff you see at home depot
[21:19:23] <zeeshan> or many plumbing supplies is sch40
[21:20:19] <Jymmm> Great, HD doens't carry it
[21:23:01] <ssi> you can get schedule 80 pipe from metal supply places
[21:23:09] <zeeshan> ssi
[21:23:10] <zeeshan> where you been
[21:23:16] <ssi> I used some big sch80 pipe to make a fixture to mount rifle receivers in
[21:23:18] <ssi> zeeshan: I've been around
[21:23:26] <Jymmm> but I doubt they're going to thread it for me
[21:23:27] <zeeshan> airplane done?
[21:23:27] <zeeshan> :p
[21:23:36] <ssi> depends on your definition of done :P
[21:23:52] <zeeshan> does it fly
[21:24:11] <Jymmm> as much as the spruc goose does
[21:24:41] <ssi> if you threw it really fast it might
[21:24:41] <ssi> :D
[21:24:54] <Jymmm> Schedule 80 steel pipe dimensions http://www.engineersedge.com/fluid_flow/steel-pipe-schedule-80.htm
[21:24:57] <ssi> I actually went down there monday and did sometihng
[21:25:08] <ssi> didn't work on the plane, but I'm moving hangars
[21:25:16] <ssi> so I cleaned out the new hangar and moved the plane up to it
[21:25:25] <ssi> need to clean up the old shop and move tables/toolboxes/etc
[21:25:32] <ssi> and I have to get a new air compressor for the new hangar
[21:25:43] <ssi> my old hangar was adjacent to a friend's, and I was using his compressor
[21:25:45] <ssi> but he moved out
[21:26:29] <ssi> zeeshan: I got my new laser tube
[21:26:31] <ssi> zeeshan: https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10620725_10100470486488812_6510813634492687160_n.jpg?oh=5fc5c5f878d7fa85131a0f287e1a9e8a&oe=548209EA
[21:26:35] <ssi> it's a bit bigger than the old one
[21:41:42] <zeeshan> thatsa seriouis laser
[21:41:43] <zeeshan> :D
[21:58:54] <zeeshan> ssi how much does hangar space cost?
[22:00:45] <XXCoder> ssi: awesome!
[22:01:55] <ssi> zeeshan: they're ~$300/mo at the airport I'm at
[22:02:00] <ssi> it varies wildly
[22:02:01] <zeeshan> wow
[22:02:03] <zeeshan> thats not too bad
[22:02:06] <zeeshan> how much sq feet is that
[22:02:06] <ssi> no it's not bad
[22:02:10] <ssi> hard to say exactly
[22:02:22] <ssi> it's 42' across the front and 37' deep
[22:02:22] <zeeshan> cause you gotta keep your tools
[22:02:24] <zeeshan> and stuff somewhere
[22:02:24] <ssi> but it's t-shaped
[22:02:27] <zeeshan> wait
[22:02:32] <zeeshan> you have the entire thing for yourself???
[22:02:33] <zeeshan> you have the entire thing for yourself???
[22:02:39] <ssi> I have two and a half :P
[22:02:43] <zeeshan> wow thats good
[22:02:45] <ssi> yeah
[22:02:49] <ssi> I'm trying to get into one of the big ones
[22:02:54] <ssi> the big ones are 100x80
[22:02:58] <ssi> and $1000/mo
[22:03:06] <XXCoder> wow big
[22:03:12] <zeeshan> im seriously consdiering
[22:03:14] <XXCoder> ssi is you running a business?
[22:03:15] <zeeshan> moving my sho
[22:03:16] <ssi> if I can get one, I'll move all the machines down there
[22:03:17] <zeeshan> into a real place
[22:03:21] <ssi> well don't use a hangar
[22:03:37] <ssi> well in canada you can do whatever the hell you want
[22:03:40] <ssi> but don't do it in the US
[22:03:48] <XXCoder> why
[22:03:56] <ssi> they're trying to pass a rule to make it illegal to use hangars for things other than airplanes
[22:04:02] <ssi> because too many people use them for storage and shops
[22:04:09] <ssi> and there's multi-year waiting lists fro hangars at most airports
[22:04:11] <ssi> and the FAA is pissed
[22:04:16] <ssi> because federal money funds the airports
[22:04:22] <XXCoder> wow
[22:05:57] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-real-estate/oshawa-durham-region/hangar-for-sale-oshawa-municipal-airport/1009525172?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[22:05:59] <zeeshan> only 1.5 million
[22:06:23] <XXCoder> cheap!!!
[22:06:53] <XXCoder> seriously if I owned it I'd sell it right away and retire with new cnc shop.
[22:07:11] <zeeshan> http://www.brantfordairport.ca/aviation/Pages/T_Hangar_Leases.aspx
[22:07:13] <zeeshan> 500/month
[22:07:19] <zeeshan> 1,377 to 1,897 square foot units
[22:08:02] <zeeshan> i need to buy a fake plane now
[22:08:07] <zeeshan> so i can use it as an excuse
[22:08:07] <zeeshan> :D
[22:08:21] <XXCoder> or real plane with missing parts
[22:08:25] <XXCoder> call it "project"
[22:08:31] <XXCoder> thats why you has all that cncs and such
[22:08:33] <ssi> planes take up most of that space :)
[22:08:47] <zeeshan> i dont think i could work
[22:08:53] <zeeshan> in a non ac / heated hanger
[22:08:55] <zeeshan> hangar
[22:09:09] <XXCoder> just get crew heater lol
[22:09:39] <ssi> yeah the environmental stuff is an issue
[22:09:57] <XXCoder> ust build basement into your house
[22:10:06] <XXCoder> if it already has one, make basement basement
[22:11:42] <CaptHindsight> you think that's bad you should try finding a hangar for a submarine
[22:11:44] <XXCoder> anyway I bet I wouldnt be able to find space for twice the price yours here ssi
[22:11:59] <XXCoder> for half size
[22:12:33] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:12:45] <XXCoder> http://www.cityofvancouver.us/cmo/page/hangar-rates-rentals-0
[22:13:42] <zeeshan> XXCoder: youre in vancouver?
[22:13:47] <XXCoder> used to
[22:15:04] <ssi> closer you get to a city, the higher the prices get for hangars
[22:18:19] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:18:22] <XXCoder> funny thing
[22:18:32] <XXCoder> I work right by airplane strip and hangers
[22:18:46] <XXCoder> I go out and sometimes see planes land or leave
[22:18:50] <XXCoder> during breaks
[22:19:11] <XXCoder> theres this I guess 1940s plane there
[22:19:18] <XXCoder> I saw it land once but it rarely flies.
[22:19:49] <XXCoder> oh look
[22:19:50] <XXCoder> http://www.westin553.net/genavFoto01/be18-36c.jpg
[22:20:06] <XXCoder> looks similiar but different colors and back fins is ribbed
[22:26:49] <ssi> that's a beech 18
[22:27:57] <XXCoder> lol ok. not very familiar with planes
[22:28:36] <ssi> beech 18 is one of my favorites
[22:28:51] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C46lMbaMBqM
[22:29:05] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening guys
[22:29:12] <XXCoder> hey
[22:29:26] <PetefromTn_andro> Well I did it LOL
[22:29:45] <XXCoder> congats, you will be happy with your kid ;)
[22:30:02] <ssi> lol
[22:30:03] <XXCoder> ssi yeah looks very similiar, if not same
[22:30:18] <PetefromTn_andro> I managed to get that big heavy monster of a motor back installed on the millhead
[22:30:34] <XXCoder> completely different paint scheme, its mostly just alum color with some yellow markings
[22:30:39] <XXCoder> nice
[22:30:58] <PetefromTn_andro> What a bitch that was
[22:31:50] <PetefromTn_andro> It's late now so I will hookup all the wires and sensors tomorrow and start running in the new bearings.
[22:32:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_andro: used an engine hoist?
[22:32:40] <PetefromTn_andro> Taking that all apart I learned a few things about how the whole spindle and power drawbar works
[22:33:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Naah just used a PETE hoist LOL
[22:33:06] <ssi> lol
[22:33:08] <zeeshan> haha
[22:33:13] <zeeshan> you know whats funny?|
[22:33:21] <zeeshan> i helped my buddy change his engine in his civic the other day
[22:33:26] <zeeshan> we lifted the motor together
[22:33:26] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:33:32] <zeeshan> i've never picked up such a light motor in my life before
[22:33:36] <zeeshan> it weighed only like 110lb
[22:33:40] <zeeshan> the v8 is like 400lb
[22:33:44] <PetefromTn_andro> Besides my engine crane would not work as there is nowhere to shove the stabilization legs
[22:34:32] <PetefromTn_andro> And the millhead has to go up pretty high too
[22:34:51] <zeeshan> how heavy was the spindle
[22:34:54] <zeeshan> in your estimate
[22:34:58] <XXCoder> so its the old spine crane eh
[22:35:52] <PetefromTn_andro> I dunno what it weighs but it is about all I had in me to get it up on my right shoulder and be able to climb inside the enclosure and heft it up into position
[22:37:00] <PetefromTn_andro> For a second or two there I wondered if I made a huge mistake trying it without someone around to help me LOL
[22:38:02] <zeeshan> haha
[22:38:05] <PetefromTn_andro> Cannot wait to hear this machine run with a nice quiet spindle at max rpm.... Gonna be a things of beauty
[22:39:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Once it is running again I am going to finally machine the same encoder mounts and get them installed
[22:39:26] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_andro: like I said, spine crane lol
[22:40:20] <PetefromTn_andro> I found that my design Will need to be on a much thicker plate due to how far the motors shaft protrudes atop the housing.
[22:40:43] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah man that bitch is heavy...
[22:41:04] <XXCoder> yeah and spine crane has limited number of uses. be careful man
[22:42:00] <PetefromTn_andro> The bearings seemed to press on nice and smooth. I swear ya gotta be really careful with those angular contact bearings that have the phenolic bearings cages
[22:43:01] <PetefromTn_andro> You pretty well press on it from the wrong direction even a little bit and the cage snaps and ball bearings are flying everywhere
[22:43:21] <XXCoder> that sensive
[22:43:43] <PetefromTn_andro> Thankfully it all went together pretty well I think. Proofs in the pudding tomorrow
[22:44:03] <XXCoder> yeah dont count bearings till you open package heh
[22:44:07] <zeeshan> you need a press
[22:44:08] <zeeshan> for that stuff
[22:44:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_andro: now you can rebuild a transmission
[22:44:24] <zeeshan> 90% of it is pressing bearings!
[22:44:24] <zeeshan> :D
[22:45:13] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah man it is just a thin plastic cage holding everything together. Without the cage the outer race just comes right off. Unlike regular deep groove bearings that kinda hold themselves together.
[22:45:46] <PetefromTn_andro> I have a press actually that's how I installed the new bearings
[22:47:11] <PetefromTn_andro> I really need to put some cash aside for the time when the spindle bearings need refurbished at some point hopefully in the distant future.
[22:47:37] <PetefromTn_andro> From what I gather they are about a grand if you do it yourself.
[22:48:01] <XXCoder> I bet press is handy sometimes
[22:48:25] <PetefromTn_andro> Hell yeah it is..
[22:48:46] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_andro, my bud had to replace a ballscrew end bearing $1400 from the dealer
[22:49:01] <PetefromTn_andro> Makes it so much more controllable than beating on things with pipes and hammers.
[22:49:17] <Tom_itx> he did find one for half that though
[22:49:31] <PetefromTn_andro> That's what I am finer
[22:49:35] <PetefromTn_andro> Finding
[22:49:57] <PetefromTn_andro> If you look around you can sure get some better deals.
[22:50:39] <PetefromTn_andro> The local quote for these high precision angular contact bearings I just installed was like $458.00 plus tax
[22:51:00] <PetefromTn_andro> I only paid $200.00 with free shipping.
[22:51:49] <XXCoder> nice savngs
[22:51:56] <PetefromTn_andro> My friend Joe in Pennsylvania has the same exact machine and he has a spare set of spindle bearings ready to go into the machine whenever it needs it
[22:52:41] <PetefromTn_andro> I would like to start looking for them earlier like that and have then on hand for when I finally do need them
[22:52:59] <Tom_itx> then they'll never go out
[22:53:19] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_andro: were the old bearings destroyed during removal?
[22:53:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:53:31] <XXCoder> as soon as you have spares it'll never be needed
[22:53:40] <XXCoder> HOWEVER as soon as you lose spares...
[22:53:43] <PetefromTn_andro> Other than fragging a ballscrew or something that is one of the most expensive repairs
[22:54:42] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I had to cut the old bearings out because with these angular contact bearings the inside shoulder did not give anything to pull against
[22:55:41] <PetefromTn_andro> So I ground a shoulder Into the face of the inner race for my slide hammers to latch onto
[22:56:31] <PetefromTn_andro> Once I had a solid shoulder it came right off i'm sure the slight heat from the grinder probably helped a bit too
[22:57:11] <XXCoder> wonder if "welder kiss" would warm it and it come off
[22:57:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Then as I said I pressed it all back on in my hydraulic press
[22:58:11] <PetefromTn_andro> Probably I have done that before on automotive bearings that were stuck with my tig torch
[22:59:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Just run a fusion bead around the middle of the inner race and it just expanding and often cracks
[23:01:11] <PetefromTn_andro> Funny thing is there are two coolant lines coming in from behind the spindle body that are both capped off
[23:01:45] <PetefromTn_andro> I wonder if they were supposed to be for the optional through spindle coolant
[23:01:56] <XXCoder> I wondered when I saw 8 capped holes in spidle at machine I use
[23:02:13] <PetefromTn_andro> Sure would be nice to be able to add that feature somehow
[23:02:14] <XXCoder> other and much larger hurco vmx30 has em uncapped and spraying
[23:02:31] <XXCoder> I use small hurco vm10
[23:02:55] <PetefromTn_andro> Those are supposed to be real nice machines
[23:03:19] <XXCoder> with my experence, yep
[23:03:30] <XXCoder> just couple annoyances
[23:03:39] <XXCoder> hurco vm10 gets itself dirty easily
[23:03:47] <PetefromTn_andro> That you don't own it LOL
[23:03:48] <XXCoder> I had to clean it pretty often
[23:04:01] <XXCoder> I wish I own it reardless actually lol its so nice
[23:04:39] <XXCoder> other annoyance is that it loses coolant pretty fast, vm10. vm20 and larger keeps coolant pretty well
[23:04:45] <PetefromTn_andro> My machine is quite easy to clean out actually. Considering it does not have a chip auger
[23:04:46] <XXCoder> it keeps losing it via vapor
[23:05:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_andro:
[23:05:14] <zeeshan> do you clean it after every job?
[23:05:39] <PetefromTn_andro> I put a five gallon bucket of water Into my machine so far every couple weeks.
[23:05:58] <PetefromTn_andro> Not really define clean it
[23:06:03] <XXCoder> lol I add around 5 to 7 gallons everyday
[23:06:24] <XXCoder> it loses so much expecially with certain type of jobs, it burns em off fast
[23:06:44] <XXCoder> I guess I also add 1 cup of some kind of oil everyday too
[23:07:08] <XXCoder> but not water though, I use 2% coolant fluid
[23:07:11] <PetefromTn_andro> I am only doing aluminum so after each day of running it I spray off the vise table and walls inside then blow the excess coolant off the table and vise
[23:07:46] <XXCoder> pete youre lucky you only need to clean once a day
[23:07:53] <XXCoder> I tend to clean machine 4 to 5 times a day
[23:07:59] <PetefromTn_andro> I am using a solubile oil
[23:08:42] <PetefromTn_andro> I wish I had so many paying parts to make I had to clean it out all the time hehe
[23:09:16] <PetefromTn_andro> Right now I am just making stuff I can sell.
[23:10:19] <XXCoder> lol yeah corp is different
[23:10:26] <XXCoder> theres almost always stuff to make
[23:10:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Honestly tho the last couple weeks I had to make a bunch of parts and running them knowing I was making some good money on them felt really good. Wishing it was like that all the time
[23:10:55] <XXCoder> most common part for me is fixure. dont ask me what its for.
[23:11:07] <XXCoder> its from pretty thick L exruded alum
[23:11:20] <XXCoder> man it makes so much swarf at first step.
[23:11:33] <PetefromTn_andro> Making a fixture?
[23:11:47] <XXCoder> easily 2 bucket per job. one bucket per step next 2 jobs then finally done
[23:12:02] <XXCoder> yeah whatever its for. its L shaped thing with offsets
[23:12:06] <XXCoder> with single hole
[23:12:12] <PetefromTn_andro> Buckets of what chips?
[23:12:17] <XXCoder> alum
[23:12:29] <PetefromTn_andro> Aah
[23:12:48] <PetefromTn_andro> Ya know it's funny the chip trays real
[23:13:02] <XXCoder> it is real yes ;)
[23:13:34] <PetefromTn_andro> Really never filled all the way up but when I finally emptied them I was like holy smokes that's a lot of chips
[23:13:57] <XXCoder> I also use er that barrel thing to hold alum. if I have been doing first step jobs it would fill up in single day. thats easily 25 gallons?
[23:14:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Nice cutting aluminum is fun I think cuts like butter and you can really hog it out if you want
[23:15:09] <XXCoder> lol I guess
[23:15:22] <XXCoder> man does machine vibrate a LOT lol
[23:15:33] <PetefromTn_andro> Really?
[23:15:43] <XXCoder> I guess its really loud but its silent as usual for me
[23:16:04] <PetefromTn_andro> ?
[23:16:13] <XXCoder> I'm deaf lol
[23:16:22] <PetefromTn_andro> Seriously
[23:17:01] <zeeshan> XXCoder: im gonna design
[23:17:06] <zeeshan> a vibration based hearing aid for you
[23:17:07] <zeeshan> :D
[23:17:11] <zeeshan> for your cnc
[23:17:15] <XXCoder> yeah seriously. deaf. lol
[23:17:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Wow man I'm sorry to hear that. Can it be fixed they have come a long way lately with ears
[23:17:21] <XXCoder> for last 38 years
[23:17:26] <XXCoder> why fix??
[23:17:42] <XXCoder> (I'm also 38 years old btw)
[23:18:09] <XXCoder> and deafness? its not most annoying problem I have
[23:18:14] <XXCoder> in fact its not even in top 10
[23:18:19] <PetefromTn_andro> How do you tell when the suit hits the fan inside the machine without being able to hear it?
[23:18:34] <XXCoder> seeing it go to shit
[23:18:35] <PetefromTn_andro> Shit
[23:18:41] <XXCoder> had to hit e stop few times
[23:19:10] <XXCoder> my worse so far is someone else changed tool setting but didnt change it back with tool
[23:19:10] <PetefromTn_andro> What if you are not watching it when that happens
[23:19:28] <XXCoder> it drilled into tooling and make nice strip lol
[23:19:44] <XXCoder> I NEVER not watch it on first run
[23:19:56] <XXCoder> do single step a time to confirm correct positioning
[23:19:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Hey I have done Shit like that and I can see and hear fine Lol
[23:20:21] <XXCoder> 2nd to 10th part it usually never has issues
[23:20:37] <PetefromTn_andro> Well I better get to sleep cya later guys
[23:20:46] <XXCoder> I just use elbow on machine when doing stuff like deburring while it runs
[23:20:59] <XXCoder> me too, gonna get clean and sleep
[23:21:08] <PetefromTn_andro> Sweet I do that too hehe
[23:21:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Gn8
[23:21:25] <XXCoder> see, deafness dont change much lol
[23:22:00] <Jymmm> it's the dumb part we question with you XXCoder =)
[23:22:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan: plenty of vibrations from cnc already dont need more ;)
[23:22:37] <XXCoder> Jymmm: what dumb part?
[23:22:42] <Jymmm> lmao
[23:23:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ("deaf and dumb")
[23:23:14] <XXCoder> ah thats considered offensive btw
[23:23:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It was meant to be, it's YOU we're talking about here =)
[23:23:44] <XXCoder> awesome
[23:23:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Can you FEEL the love?
[23:25:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You know I'm pulling your chain =)