#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-09-01

[00:00:08] <XXCoder> it moves yeah
[02:06:45] <Deejay> moin
[02:15:27] <anarchos2> hi
[07:54:54] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/kXGvEK7 - on LASER safety
[08:09:19] <Jymmm> the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwB8nbI4TuM
[08:09:41] <jthornton> wow 50,000 messages on the forum!
[08:17:01] <Jymmm> jthornton: 50K that aint shit, Lets go for 50M http://i62.tinypic.com/2prb3tc.jpg (NSFW)
[09:12:14] <cabbage_breath> what is the minimum recommended travel for a z axis on a plasma rig
[09:16:46] <archivist> how thick is your work what size plasma head, what travel does it need above the work etc
[09:23:48] <jthornton> mine is about 4"
[09:30:23] <cabbage_breath> think it's a good deal? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Z-axis-LINEAR-SLIDE-actuator-for-CNC-ROUTER-PLASMA-LASER-/131273950592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e90898580
[09:32:02] <cabbage_breath> vs this http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Z-AXIS-LINEAR-MOTION-TABLE-FOR-CNC-ROUTER-PLASMA-LASER-/161405703921?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25948796f1
[09:33:59] <archivist> or build it yourself from parts
[09:37:48] <cabbage_breath> got any good plans? i really do enjoy making my own things but sometimes I think it's better to just buy something depending on my time situation. if there were some decent plans for a light duty one then I would do that
[09:38:49] <archivist> planes! I make it up as I go along sometimes with the bits I have
[09:39:11] <archivist> plans
[09:40:33] <cabbage_breath> word. in this case i'm doing this for someone else so I don't have the liberty of fiddling
[09:52:59] <archivist> then there is another choice, should it look like bits off ebay or a designed whole machine
[10:15:33] <jthornton> that 4" one looks nice
[10:21:20] <archivist> hehe I need to grab those instructions off the heat controller ebay item, totally unreadable instructions came with the item
[10:23:50] <jthornton> I ordered a heat treat oven controller the other day
[10:24:45] <archivist> this is cheap enough to chuck if a failure
[10:25:41] <jthornton> http://www.freewebs.com/knifemaking/HEAT%20TREATMENT%20FURNACEbackup2.pdf
[10:27:41] <PetefromTn_> Jeez... I finally get the spindle motor torn down and ready to repair the bearings and I started to machine a threaded shaft to accept the new encoder. This is all great but after tearing apart the shop and cleaning everything I CANNOT FIND THE DAMN ENCODER!! LOL
[10:27:59] <archivist> I am thinkink of a clear top rather than front to see the metal colour
[10:28:33] <jthornton> like an old oven door window?
[10:28:55] <jthornton> PetefromTn_, when that happens to me I just take a nap
[10:29:11] <PetefromTn_> I would take a nap but I just woke up hehe
[10:29:46] <jthornton> I'm totally worn out from cooking that whole pig yesterday
[10:30:20] <jthornton> started prepping on Friday, finally finished the cook at 5pm yesterday
[10:30:26] <archivist> jthornton, something like that, but if the temperature control is good I should not need a window
[10:32:03] <archivist> found an almost local brick supplier http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIREBRICKS-230x114x76mm-GFB-PIZZA-OVEN-BRICKS-KILN-STOVE-BRICKS-61175-/261571084781
[10:32:05] <jthornton> when I build my powder coat oven I need a window so I can see when the powder flows
[10:32:27] <SpeedEvil> Or a camera
[10:32:37] <PetefromTn_> I love pig roasts. A former customer of mine had me build a large pig roasting hood for a brick and mortar grill/smoker he built. Then he invited me to the inagural roast. That was a lot of fun.
[10:32:45] <archivist> hmm, oven, I have some out of use ones.....dismember
[10:32:47] <jthornton> is that the lightweight fire bricks?
[10:32:56] <archivist> dunno
[10:33:35] <jthornton> from what I've read the light weight bricks are better insulators and easy to carve grooves for the elements
[10:34:25] <archivist> like these probably http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Insulating-Fire-Bricks-230-x-114-x-76-mm-x-5-/261509160777
[10:36:18] <jthornton> yep
[10:36:20] <archivist> and cheaper http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Insulating-Fire-Bricks-230-x-114-x-76-mm-/281420503611
[10:37:19] <Tom_itx> jthornton spending the whole of today eating it now?
[10:37:38] <humble_s1a_bass> oh fire brick how i love thee
[10:37:47] <humble_s1a_bass> let me count the wways
[10:41:51] <XXCoder> heh
[10:42:02] <XXCoder> I always wanted to make brick built grill
[10:42:25] <XXCoder> Make a BIG slab of conercate then wait year while it cures and all
[10:42:41] <XXCoder> then remove from mold and use it as grill top
[10:42:44] <humble_s1a_bass> just dig a hole, some cinder blocks
[10:42:53] <humble_s1a_bass> put your pig in there
[10:43:00] <XXCoder> BIG block = awesome cooking ability once slowly warmed up to hot
[10:43:21] <XXCoder> 6'x4'x1'
[10:44:31] <PetefromTn_> The bad part is I have not one but TWO encoders around here for the damn spindle
[10:44:52] <PetefromTn_> I probably put it in a SPECIAL place that I cannot remmeber now LOL...
[10:44:57] <PetefromTn_> remember
[10:45:04] <humble_s1a_bass> why do you need to encode the rotation of the pig roasting spit?
[10:45:26] <PetefromTn_> Precise cooking on all sides
[10:45:31] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[10:46:15] <XXCoder> heh
[10:46:31] <XXCoder> with such precision you could make it into self slicing too
[10:46:53] <PetefromTn_> naah its just a 500 line encoder HAH
[10:47:01] <XXCoder> just stop fire and put plate under and set it to run NC file that cuts meat into slices
[10:47:29] <PetefromTn_> You could setup a hot wire cutter and burn it into a spiral sliced piggy
[10:47:46] <XXCoder> not bad
[10:51:07] <XXCoder> other idea, cnc grill
[10:51:20] <XXCoder> flips hamburgers and after done put em into cooked stack
[10:51:34] <XXCoder> problem is it varies a lot so it probably would undercook some and overcook some'
[10:55:15] <XXCoder> so any more grill cnc ideas? lol
[10:55:21] <CaptHindsight> but then you need a mechanism to extend and retract the knife blades when it's hot so they don't lose their edge
[10:55:34] <humble_s1a_bass> can plasma cut meat without carbonizing it
[10:55:51] <PetefromTn_> pneumatic solenoids activated by 5i25/7i77
[10:57:02] <XXCoder> HMM add temperate checking head to flipping arm. set to rotate to check temp
[10:57:36] <XXCoder> flip, rise, rotate to temp mode, check temperate, if all good go to move hamburger to finished stack lol
[10:57:58] <CaptHindsight> what sort of base to keep it portable?
[10:58:04] <XXCoder> easy
[10:58:14] <XXCoder> get boat tow base, strip boat stuff on top
[10:58:22] <XXCoder> leaves with nice and heavy frame to build it on
[10:58:34] <XXCoder> car towable
[10:58:51] <CaptHindsight> ah, i was thinking self powered
[10:59:25] <XXCoder> lol likely possible too
[10:59:41] <CaptHindsight> build it right onto an old tractor bed or 4WD military chassis
[11:00:04] <CaptHindsight> easier to get onto the beach
[11:00:10] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:00:52] <XXCoder> heh if there was enough people could set "CNC grillin" events where people judge what is best cnc griller machine including how well it cooks, how well it runs and such
[11:20:12] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a show that could be on the Food and the Science channel
[11:20:19] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:20:53] <XXCoder> hosted by the food guy and HMM whos popular scientist? that current admin of science?
[11:21:28] <XXCoder> oyh not the food guy
[11:21:33] <XXCoder> other guy forgot name
[11:21:58] <XXCoder> It wouldnt really be a show but annual special
[11:24:37] <XXCoder> ah this guy http://www.foodnetwork.com/chefs/alton-brown.html
[12:49:45] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: and it's not April 1, http://www.tormach.com/CNC-BBQ-Grill-Attachment.html
[12:50:04] <XXCoder> today is not april 1st yes but gonna read article date LOL
[12:50:10] <XXCoder> july 2013 good heh
[12:50:34] <XXCoder> thats awesome
[12:55:24] <humble_s1a_bass> anyone know where I can get 45mil EPDM sheets for a less than a dollar per square foot
[12:55:36] <XXCoder> robbery
[12:55:47] <humble_s1a_bass> that's my goal
[12:56:01] <humble_s1a_bass> for price, but i'll take second best price
[12:56:26] <CaptHindsight> roofing material?
[12:56:35] <humble_s1a_bass> pretty much
[12:57:22] <humble_s1a_bass> I just need to redo the roofing on my shed, the sikaflex + epoxy paint lasted a good 2 years, but I think I should get a proper membrane
[12:59:48] <CaptHindsight> epoxies and UV generally don't do well together
[13:00:11] <humble_s1a_bass> i know, but it was quick and dirty and available
[13:00:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.bestmaterials.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=epdm+45+per+foot
[13:00:33] <humble_s1a_bass> but i am trying to get on the righteous path
[13:00:55] <SpeedEvil> You can add pigment into it to absorb UB
[13:00:56] <SpeedEvil> V
[13:01:07] <SpeedEvil> I recommend nice thick 1mm copper
[13:01:34] <humble_s1a_bass> SpeedEvil: in a roofing application, the thermal expansion of the substrate reaks havock on the finish
[13:01:52] <SpeedEvil> Is it a flat roof?
[13:02:00] <humble_s1a_bass> yeah. low slope
[13:02:07] <XXCoder> wouldnt copper geyt green and wear out
[13:02:16] <CaptHindsight> <$0.75 sq ft
[13:02:29] <humble_s1a_bass> I may just settle with that crappy self adhering roofing stuff, but it makes lots of seams
[13:02:34] <CaptHindsight> if you order >250 sq ft
[13:02:45] <XXCoder> thin aluminium sheets
[13:02:53] <XXCoder> it probably would last forever
[13:03:05] <SpeedEvil> humble_s1a_bass: if the roof can cope - you could add planted roof to deal with heat
[13:03:15] <XXCoder> speed has great idea
[13:03:16] <humble_s1a_bass> i'm gonna order this epdm and actually do the job in a timely fashion
[13:03:20] <CaptHindsight> roof garden
[13:03:29] <XXCoder> grass roof if properly done are amazing on keeping house cool
[13:03:37] <XXCoder> issue: waterng roof
[13:03:50] <XXCoder> very heavy too and not easy to do properly
[13:04:10] <humble_s1a_bass> this is a dtached shed, i need it to keep dry is all
[13:04:23] <XXCoder> ah well aluminium sheets
[13:04:32] <humble_s1a_bass> XX, no
[13:05:06] <humble_s1a_bass> that's how you have a hurricane or gale winds and someone gets their head chopped off
[13:05:37] <humble_s1a_bass> thanks capt for the link. they are decent enough
[13:05:57] <XXCoder> ah yeah. I dont live in high winds areas
[13:06:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rubbersheetroll.com/rubber_roofing_epdm.htm
[13:06:07] <XXCoder> wouldnt 5x more connections hold it on?
[13:06:17] <XXCoder> so roof would sooner break off than it deteching
[13:06:19] <CaptHindsight> trying to find one close to NYC
[13:06:46] <CaptHindsight> SHIPPENSBURG, PA :)
[13:06:50] <humble_s1a_bass> I was looking at RSR
[13:07:02] <CaptHindsight> sounds made up
[13:07:17] <XXCoder> humble_s1a_bass: well once a while you can get roofing scraps cheap or free
[13:07:26] <humble_s1a_bass> didn't they used to make polyethylene roof sheets?
[13:07:33] <XXCoder> I built kid play place with roof made from left over roof material
[13:07:56] <XXCoder> it was easy to cover say 5x5 space anyway unno how large you needs to be
[13:08:30] <XXCoder> I didn't even bother with tar sheet under it, still no leak after 10 years
[13:08:53] <humble_s1a_bass> the shed extension that needs a new roof is 12x12 so 144 feet.
[13:11:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.centroidcnc.com/cnc_control_m400.htm anyone know if it's their own software running on it?
[13:11:50] <XXCoder> would say yes
[13:12:01] <CaptHindsight> windows based
[13:12:37] <XXCoder> it has copy mode nice
[13:12:42] <XXCoder> and auto tool set!
[13:13:05] <XXCoder> I wish I had that when I had to set ALL tools in hurco vm10 when someone messed up and wiped settings
[13:15:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.centroidcnc.com/cncvideo/videolathempg.html those cnc hand wheels again
[13:17:14] <XXCoder> so thats how you figure figure surface radiyus in lathe, paper and tool
[13:17:24] <XXCoder> same as Z for mill
[13:19:35] <XXCoder> wow
[13:20:14] <XXCoder> opportunity rover is so old (10 years+ old) that they are now reprogramming it to use less flash drive because its strting to fail
[13:30:48] <Loetmichel> XXCoder:IIRC it was planned to live bout half a year or so...
[13:30:56] <Loetmichel> its a wonder its still operable ;-)
[13:34:59] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if the flash is worn due to erase and write cycles or from radiation?
[13:35:26] <Loetmichel> i would suppose: both
[13:35:50] <humble_s1a_bass> both, but i was at a American Nuclear Society conference a few years back
[13:36:04] <humble_s1a_bass> and they had a great panel about flash memory
[13:36:19] <Jymmm> I doubt radiation, else everythim they went thru sray machine, they would be wiped out
[13:36:20] <humble_s1a_bass> and damage due to subatomic particles
[13:36:27] <Jymmm> xray*
[13:36:37] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: xray is weak
[13:36:44] <Loetmichel> coparedto cosmic radiation
[13:36:45] <Jymmm> Not that weak
[13:37:17] <gleapsite> Hello, anyone mind if I ask some questions regarding getting a Laser properly configured?
[13:37:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: come on man, you do shielding for a living, you dont think they would have considered radiation eposure?
[13:37:29] <SpeedEvil> Cosmic radiation goes all the way up to the energy of a thrownbaseball.
[13:37:32] <SpeedEvil> Per particle.
[13:37:52] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: easiest way to do that: use old flas in coarse structures
[13:37:53] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[13:37:56] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: shielding in some cases is impractical in a reasonable amount of mas, and you need to just do tollerance
[13:38:15] <Loetmichel> i.E: low density flash
[13:38:22] <Loetmichel> and of course single cell
[13:38:27] <Loetmichel> single level cells
[13:38:29] <humble_s1a_bass> http://nepp.nasa.gov/docuploads/C5CA0F47-361D-42D0-BA53A555BB5D2F00/Flash-99.pdf
[13:38:41] <humble_s1a_bass> or we can stop guessing and see what nasa did
[13:38:46] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It's nasa man, I think they have half-a-clue in that respect.
[13:39:05] <gleapsite> I'm working off an old blog post ( http://mattikariluoma.com/?p=320 ) of someone who set up the same model back in 2011. I'm setting this up in v. 2.6
[13:39:07] <Loetmichel> i doubt a modern Samsung 840 or similar would live that long outside the athmosphere ;-)
[13:39:17] <humble_s1a_bass> http://klabs.org/richcontent/MAPLDCon98/Papers/c4_miyahira.pdf
[13:39:25] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but Nasa is still sorting out that metric vs imperial thing :)
[13:39:31] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: it has "warranity" of 90 days
[13:39:37] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: its simply not possible to sheild that
[13:39:39] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: good question
[13:39:39] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: yes - however - NASA can't magically change physics
[13:39:41] <Loetmichel> weight constrains
[13:39:45] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you never know, toss is a 25ยข static bag might work
[13:39:56] <XXCoder> or even just termeral stress. mars has wider temp range after all
[13:39:58] <gleapsite> My current problem, is that my home switches are in the Top-left of my build area, but linuxCNC always displays the "Home" position in the bottom left
[13:40:00] <Loetmichel> it cheapier to go for more flash ans simply live with it detiorating
[13:40:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: horseshit
[13:40:07] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: If it needs aquarter of a ton to shield one flash chip -you may want to investigate alternatives like making it more robust
[13:41:09] <Jymmm> shielding isn't that hard, or Loetmichel would be broke
[13:41:55] <SpeedEvil> Shielding is hard from energetic particles. YOu can't do it with a thin layer of any material - lead/uranium/... - it's got to be a lot of depth of light stuff
[13:42:00] <CaptHindsight> do you want your radiation biased or unbiased? page #4 from HSB's pdf
[13:42:10] <SpeedEvil> Or you just generate particle showers andmake the radiation _worse_
[13:42:14] <SpeedEvil> ##physics
[13:42:44] <XXCoder> or just dont sheild against energetic besides putting it in deepest part of object
[13:42:59] <XXCoder> faraday cage it and hope for best]
[13:43:21] <SpeedEvil> Faraday cage is meaningless for shielding.
[13:43:29] <SpeedEvil> Other than beingmade out of stuff
[13:43:35] <SpeedEvil> It's not that sort of radiation
[13:43:52] <XXCoder> its good for sheilding against EMF. which is good when planet dont really have any protection
[13:43:55] <XXCoder> flares and such
[13:44:10] <XXCoder> it does nothing for radation and energric particles
[13:44:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3d-plus.com/product.php?type=1&fm=20 Radiation Tolerant Memory
[13:44:33] <gleapsite> Or we can talk about space. I guess.
[13:44:37] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: heard of memstistor? its nice
[13:44:39] <SpeedEvil> EMF is not any significant component of required shielding for high energy particles.
[13:45:01] <XXCoder> never said it was for high energy particles. not sure why youre saying I did
[13:46:07] <dewy721> ionic radiation (incl. cosmic rays) have both a highly magnetic as w well as electric charges. NASA is already considering both magnetic and electrostatic shielding setups.
[13:46:44] <SpeedEvil> And yes - mini-magnetospheres and similar concepts both powered and passive have been considered.
[13:48:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3d-plus.com/techno-overview.php
[13:50:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.maxwell.com/products/microelectronics/rad-pak
[13:56:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tanisys.com/effect-radiation-solid-state-drive-ssd/
[13:59:37] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/19386.pdf Radiation Hardness of Flash and Nanoparticle Memories
[14:00:17] <humble_s1a_bass> gold LPs are the answer
[14:06:54] <XXCoder> god is very good radation blocking material
[14:06:58] <XXCoder> too bad its heavyu
[14:07:02] <XXCoder> same for lead
[14:08:39] <SpeedEvil> For some classes of radiation.
[14:08:42] <XXCoder> *gold
[14:08:46] <SpeedEvil> For others it causes particle showers.
[14:08:46] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:09:12] <XXCoder> wonder if layering would allow it to stop showers if it happen
[14:09:46] <SpeedEvil> ys - you layer with something with lots of hydrogen first - to slow stuff - and then progressively heavier to mop stuff up
[14:10:05] <XXCoder> interesting. sounds heavy though
[14:19:51] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:25:40] <CaptHindsight> looks like they also use triple redundancy with off the shelf parts to reduce costs
[14:26:16] <XXCoder> 3x modules probably is still lighter than heavy multilayered sheild
[14:26:36] <CaptHindsight> this is as the gate level
[14:26:48] <CaptHindsight> 3x the gates for the same VHDL
[14:27:44] <CaptHindsight> silicon on sapphire costs are high since they don't sell a ton of parts for space applications
[14:30:27] <XXCoder> the article http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-292
[14:31:08] <CaptHindsight> is the other rover still stuck in the sand?
[14:31:14] <XXCoder> it died
[14:31:18] <XXCoder> it lasted 6 years
[14:31:27] <CaptHindsight> did it die there or just stuck?
[14:31:28] <XXCoder> oppounity is still rocking at 10 years
[14:31:30] <XXCoder> die
[14:31:47] <XXCoder> it couldnt surive the winter when it wasnt at right place to get enough power
[14:32:12] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_%28rover%29 I forgot its name
[14:32:36] <XXCoder> spirit and oppounity yeah. theres even larger and newer curosity
[14:35:07] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PIA05547-Spirit_Rover-Earth_seen_from_Mars.png
[14:45:38] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_embedded_computer_systems_on_board_the_Mars_rovers
[14:49:08] <CaptHindsight> "round trip communication time between Earth and Mars ranges from 8 to 42 minutes"
[14:56:12] <Jymmm> ...toll charges may apply
[14:57:00] <Jymmm> For me, it's on the avg of $8/minute to go off the planet.
[15:22:07] <XXCoder> fun
[15:38:30] <anarchos2> hello
[16:08:43] <Deejay> gn8
[16:57:31] <JT-Shop> annealing at 1500f worked well, I just drilled it
[17:12:25] <anarchos2> anyone know how to turn off reply email notifications from the linuxcnc forum?
[17:13:15] <jthornton> there is a checkbox in the message
[17:22:50] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, cool... it worked!
[17:38:00] <MrHindsight> JT-Shop: so your results match these suggestions: http://www.wisetool.com/designation/annealing.htm
[17:38:57] <MrHindsight> 1500f = ~800C
[21:06:16] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks
[21:08:17] <anarchos> hi hi
[21:09:11] <PetefromTn_andro> :D
[21:18:20] <PetefromTn_andro> Man I took some time to straighten out the shop this weekend. Amazing how messy things can get when you are working on several different projects at once. With any luck my new spindle motor bearings will arrive sometime tomorrow.
[21:20:16] <skunkworks_> we cleaned the garage for a rummage sale coming up... I think there was 7 shovels full of dirt where the cars parked..
[21:20:29] <skunkworks_> it now smells like a garage again. (oil and gas)
[21:20:55] <skunkworks_> and about a cubic yard of cardboard
[21:21:17] <PetefromTn_andro> I hear ya I got like four garbage bags full of aluminum chips I need to get to the recycling folks
[21:21:23] <skunkworks_> (it hasn't been cleaned for a couple of years
[21:21:25] <skunkworks_> _
[21:21:27] <skunkworks_> )
[21:21:55] <anarchos> my machine design has started ;)
[21:21:57] <anarchos> http://i.imgur.com/XsM4epf.jpg
[21:22:22] <PetefromTn_andro> I Did manage to find some time to turn down an insertion tool for the breech seal on my RWS54 air rifle
[21:22:46] <skunkworks_> anarchos, what is the scale?
[21:23:45] <PetefromTn_andro> I also replaced the wood piece that the receiver fits into on my spring compressor with a nice aluminum lathe turned one as well.
[21:24:34] <anarchos> 3 bannanas
[21:25:32] <anarchos> working dimensions are 18" base by 21" column (21"x24" outside demensions)
[21:25:50] <anarchos> by 9" wide
[21:27:08] <skunkworks_> neat
[21:28:15] <anarchos> the base and column are going to be made from 3" granite surface plates
[22:24:16] <digshadow> I need to reinstall my linuxcnc rig and am looking at using a pre-packaged .iso vs trying to install on ubuntu 12.04 using these instructions: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewRTInstall
[22:24:23] <digshadow> its hard to get a feel for maturity of one vs the other
[22:24:32] <digshadow> any reason not to go the 12.04 route?
[22:28:51] <CaptHindsight> digshadow: you might not like Unity
[22:29:08] <CaptHindsight> try it live first
[22:30:07] <ktchk> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
[22:31:02] <ktchk> I had beenusing it for a while, apt-get gnome panel can replace unity
[22:32:56] <ktchk> It is not sim I can drive the router with 12.04 and is waiting for Heekscad to work under ubuntu 12.04 then it will be perfect.
[22:33:29] <digshadow> CaptHindsight: I don't like unity
[22:33:33] <digshadow> but I can easily install metacity
[22:35:37] <digshadow> also i've been using it for a while
[22:36:00] <digshadow> on other systems and had problems with missing drivers and such
[22:36:41] <CaptHindsight> give them a try, I experienced issues with Ubuntu's choices for X and drivers
[22:36:56] <digshadow> okay, sounds like I should give it a try then
[22:37:00] <digshadow> I'm not hearing things like "it crashes al ot"
[22:37:04] <CaptHindsight> I tried 12.04 for about 6 months
[22:37:55] <CaptHindsight> multitouch was a bit flaky
[22:38:50] <CaptHindsight> the debian hybrid iso uses LXDE
[22:39:18] <digshadow> hmm
[22:39:23] <digshadow> allright, maybe I'll give that atry then
[22:39:42] <CaptHindsight> I think thats the direction the devs are moving to
[22:40:04] <CaptHindsight> Ubuntu has just gotten too crazy
[22:40:11] <digshadow> yeah I would agree
[22:40:36] <digshadow> i'm the same crowd that thinks that windows 2000 was the height of the windows world
[22:40:44] <digshadow> (or maybe xp)
[22:43:19] <CaptHindsight> I'm using wheezy with the 3.4-9 RTAI and Gentoo with 3.14 RTAI
[22:45:27] <CaptHindsight> both with LXDE
[22:49:15] <roycroft> the windows world had a high note?
[22:50:24] <roycroft> doesn't it just meander through a mist of mediocracy?
[23:28:35] <XXCoder> roycroft: windows xp
[23:28:37] <XXCoder> then windows 7
[23:29:07] <XXCoder> windows 95 had meh start but got allright. 98 se flopped at start but got awesome
[23:29:25] <XXCoder> but then they gotr BAAD low points. windows me. they dont even list it in website
[23:29:34] <XXCoder> vista is almost as bad as win me